WEBVTT - QLS Classic: MC Serch 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.760 Questlove Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:09.360 was produced by the team at Pandora. Ladies and Gentlemen, 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:13.039 this is Questlove and You're listening to QLs. Classic Of 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:16.799 all of our archived episodes, this is probably one of 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:22.320 the most requested ones, and so wonder why FC Search 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:27.240 of Therapase is one of the best storytellers in hip hop. 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:29.920 I mean, he's the king of I was there and 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:30.760 this happened to me. 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:36.800 So many stories, man, so many stories, yes, including the 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:38.600 infamous hammer. 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:41.800 I'm not even going to spoil alert yo. 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:44.639 From February fifteenth, twenty seventeen. 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:45.879 This is the. 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:51.320 World famous, long awaited return of the MC search episode 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:52.879 of Questlove Supreme Classic. 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:53.960 Hope you enjoyed. 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:05.560 Wait wait stop stop stop stop stop stop? Does everyone 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:09.559 get traumatized? Whatever? The organ at the top, like, where's 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:12.640 the one? Where's the corn? It's never one? All right, 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:13.720 We've never done that, wone? 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:14.119 Relax? 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:20.520 Hello, all right, yoga, let's do it. 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:33.040 Supreamo soup bream roll cream, Supremo, rolla, Supremo, roll call Premo, 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:35.000 so Supremo. 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:35.440 Roll. 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:37.640 Yeah. 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:39.720 It's Quest Love. Yeah. 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:55.560 Yeah, my name is Fante. Yeah, I don't rock no perm. Yeah, 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:56.960 don't drink the milk. 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:08.880 Yeah, because it's sperm. Roll call. My name is Sugar. 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.840 Yeah, I got the blues, Yeah, but not tonight. 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:25.440 Yeah, so many dude. Supremo, Supremo, Supremo roll call. Yeah, 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:30.359 Valentine's Day. Yeah, I hope that you. Yeah, got fucking 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:39.119 leader sore Son roll Suprema son Son Suprema roll. 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:45.880 Yeah, I'm in this space. Yeah here, Yeah, we're gonna 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:47.400 get the gas pace roll. 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:56.680 Delivery Suprema son Son Supremo roll. My name is search 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:02.639 that big m C Yeah, third base two fucking their life. 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:26.519 Upbra, ladies and gentlemen, If you have ever said to yourself, 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:30.680 I wish a mirror would get to the point I'm 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.120 not even talking to people there, people that know me. 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.760 For people that know look at the room, disres and 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:40.000 smiling like a motherfucker. I'm gonna tell you. 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:45.000 I'm gonna tell you for every long winded epic story 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:51.880 I've ever typed instagrams, be twenty five is parographs. You 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:53.760 not have the heart to be like all right, be 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:55.720 wrapping up. I get you have to paint the picture. 0:03:56.680 --> 0:04:00.040 I got that from one person that's. 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.800 Some ball face line like I'm saying Search you are. 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:07.880 You are like my slick Rick. 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.600 Your your stories and your war stories and your experiences 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:17.960 in hip hop culture are one of my favorite recollected 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:20.360 stories ever. 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:25.280 Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome MC search. Thank you, 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:27.559 thank you. Shout out to all the Jews in the building. 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:38.480 Font that's right, marchal math. We're out numbers, so happy 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:45.200 now I did the math. It's a tire, right, you 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:50.440 did the math. Yeah, he did the math. That's good. 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.200 That's good. Which makes it sound like prior it wasn't 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.040 like it sounds like you got jumped like you did 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.479 back in Brooklyn jumped. We just got ignored. 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:03.400 Go to us for the white comedy, White guy already, 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:05.280 we're going in already. 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:09.200 How you doing, man, I'm I'm great. First of all, 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.160 it's great to be here. It's great to be and 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:15.279 it was great to see you in Orlando. Uh, tear 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:17.680 down the building once again. Thank you for you guys 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.800 who don't know. I've had the pleasure of knowing this 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:23.679 brother for a very long time. And there's a funny 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.839 family storyline that goes with it, because the first time 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.920 third Base reunited and went back out on soa Quest 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.479 was playing drums for di'angelo and Third Base was opening 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:37.640 for D'Angelo. Oh wow. I took my daughter to this 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.680 Europeans She was six years old and she would fall 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:44.520 asleep behind a stage and you know, like just a 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:46.680 mirror would be like next to her all the time. Like, 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:48.760 so I was like, yo, let's get a picture. So 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.600 I got a picture Quest and my daughter Mayana and 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:56.040 then like every ten years like my daughter and Quest. 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.320 Evolution chart. Yeah, it's like the evolution chart. It's exactly right. 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:01.720 So we have these like pictures and we just took 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.000 one in Orlando a couple of weeks when the roots 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.320 were in there. My daughter is now twenty two years old. 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:08.400 I'll be ninety six when she's like forty. 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:12.240 All right, So Search not wanting to waste a millisecond 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:18.280 of your life on the show you started in Far Rockaway, Queens. 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:21.599 Yes, shout out to Far Rockaway, shout out to Hammel Projects, 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:29.680 Redfern aka Wave Cress aka be seventeen, Cigarette Boulevard, a 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:36.799 lot of aka Mott Avenue Wait which aka he sounded 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:40.000 like Kevin hamon Road aka reads Lane. 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:46.520 All right, So two pillows, which by myself what what 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:48.680 part of Queens is that that you're from that they 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:49.560 wrap about so. 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:53.000 Far Rockaway is right on the border of Long Island, 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.120 so far Rockaway. My block Queens was on this side 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.760 and literally one block over was Long Island on the 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.680 other side. And it was so funny because literally the 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:05.039 prices and houses, like my parents' house in nineteen sixty 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.400 seven was like forty thousand dollars and the house of 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:09.720 the block literally around the corner was like two hundred 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.679 thousand dollars. Wow, like just because of Long Island, because 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:15.360 just the so Long Island was considered the nice part 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.840 of town. Oh so nice, so nice. What part of 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:24.600 Long Island the Five Towns publicantemy, No, that's that's a 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:27.760 little south that now you're going east and south. I'm 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:31.680 more like inwood Ulett, see the Heurst five Towns like 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:37.680 around that area. So that's real jew area, real Italian area. Columbo, 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:42.920 crime family Iiha, Cohen, all the good shit, all the 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:46.040 dudes that got laid up like Gotti, all those dudes, 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:49.240 they were all in my neighborhood. Really. Yeah. They would 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:52.560 move people from Howard Beach into like Inwood and run 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:56.520 like gambling spots and like poker parties and all sorts 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:57.440 of crazy. 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:01.960 Oh wait, oh wait they okay, I see ye fucking 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:02.480 what you're doing? 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:06.640 Seeing fucking doing. 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:11.320 So, being as like one as a new resident of 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:15.920 New York City, I'm slowly discovering that all the five 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:20.240 boroughs are major cities within themselves. Like coming from an 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.640 outside of perspective, you know, when I come here to 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.320 record records, you know, I'll just go straight to the hotel, 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:28.920 go to studio, really not do that much exploring around 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:30.880 New York. But now that I'm like I've been here 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:35.360 for a couple of years now, I'm slowly realizing that, oh, 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:37.400 what makes New York New York is the fact that 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:41.240 all the boroughs are like major cities within themselves. So, 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:45.160 being as though you're all the way up there, every 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:51.280 story I've ever heard of about you was Manhattan stories, 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:55.560 and and and so it's like, how do you come 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:57.320 from all the way out there? How do you even 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:01.240 infiltrate your way into New York culture, at least the 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:03.199 one that embraced you and took you in. 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:07.439 When I was in middle school, there were schools in 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:09.880 New York called public privates. Where did you go to 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.400 high school? I went to I is fifty three Brian 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:17.480 Piccolo Middle numbers though yeah, p S two was named 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.200 after Brian Piccolo, a Chicago Bear player, which is still 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.480 Brian so right, Brian song. We had to watch that 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.719 every year and we were forced to cry at the 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:29.360 end when Gail Sayers his allegiance and long term friendship 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:34.520 to a dying Brian Piccolo. So anyway, so yeah, was 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:38.680 that the movie? It was Billy was William James con 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:42.400 James Cone. So there were these public privates and I 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.600 did not want to go to far Rock High School, 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:46.559 like I just there was no where I was going. 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:48.400 Was that the local high school? That was the local 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:52.880 high neighborhoodhigh school famous for Jonah Sulk who invented penicillin. 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:57.000 As you know, Oh wow, so Jonah Salk went there. Wow, 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.640 phil oaks information too. Yeah you think you just a 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:08.559 wealth of worthless information right now? I love that. So 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:11.520 I did not want to go. And my mother may 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:13.439 she rest in peace, went to Music and Art High 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:16.760 School in Harlem, so she said you should just try out. 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:19.319 So in eighth grade I went, I tried out, and 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:22.240 I got in and it turned out like even my 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.640 guidance counselor was like, really, Michael, you're going to try out, 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:27.760 Like only two students in the history of our whole 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:30.120 school got into music and our like. I was like, well, 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:32.480 you know, I'm going to be the third. And I 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:37.120 went in. I sang a traditional Hebrew song in Hebrew. Yes, 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:45.800 bring it right now, shells the hot right now, chefs 0:10:45.920 --> 0:11:02.360 Shallo Salme, shells the hub exclusive. I'm in the movie 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:05.000 I had. I had a mad I had a mad 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:10.319 alto voice like alto yeah before drop so earlier Michael 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:14.079 Jackson right like, enjoy yourself, Michael Jackson, right right up there. 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:17.760 So I get into the school. It's amazing. And the 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:21.280 commute from Far Rock Away to Harlem was two hours 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:24.280 and twelve minutes. So the A train the first the 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:27.080 last stop on the A train is mot Avenue, far Rockaway, 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:29.880 So you'd have to take the A train through Queens, 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.480 through Brooklyn, through Manhattan to go to one hundred and 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:35.199 twenty fifth Street, changed for the one to go to 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:37.559 one hundred and thirty Fiftrey Confinent Avenue and then walk 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.040 up to hill, Saint Nicholas Hill, And they called it 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.080 a castle on the hill because music and art looked 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:46.440 like a castle. So how that kind of transcended New 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:49.599 York was. I just knew the subways. I learned the 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:51.959 subways from an early age. But when I went to 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.080 Music and Art, the very first day I was there, 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:58.280 they had freshman orientation and we got hooked up with 0:11:58.360 --> 0:11:59.959 a senior and he was like, yo, you want to 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:02.520 coming to the lunch room, like you know, that's where 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.040 everything is popping off. So it's like nine o'clock in 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.880 the morning and I hear these guys beating on tables 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:11.439 and I hear these dudes doing they're ramen, and I'm like, 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:14.559 I got some good Hebrew that could go along with that. 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:17.600 I'm like, yeah, like I could, I could drop Yeah, 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.000 I can drop some like and I'm hearing the skit 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.480 and I'm like that sounds like he'll Billy girl from 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:26.760 like they can't go Crew. I'm like, nah, they're just biting. 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.000 And there's this whole site for going on. A guy's 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:32.600 bouncing on table and I get like on a table 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.400 and I'm looking down and it's Lance Omega, Dana Day 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:37.959 and Ricky d Wow and they are the King went 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:41.319 to high school with Yeah and j Cool in the 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:46.959 Frestrian Seas and Lord Treue from the Eternal Force so much. 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:50.640 Oh my god. So I'm watching them do He'll Billy Girl, 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.240 and I'm like, and we had like third fourth generation, 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.079 you know, cassette tapes of what they used to do 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:57.599 in the parks, Me and my man Greg and my 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:00.360 man Tommy, like we like listen to that. Like so 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:03.199 I'm like, are you kidding me? Like these guys go 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:05.040 to my high school. It's crazy. 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:09.520 So they never had a record deal, No, no, never 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:12.000 with out the two members besides Dan and Dane. 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:15.559 And Lance and Omega Lance DJ Lance right, No, not 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:18.439 Lance Romance, not DJ Lance. No. So there was just 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:21.880 just two of their homeboys from they all rhyme alike. Yes, 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:27.520 did they all have like yes, yes, yes, yeah, like yes, 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:32.040 definitely like and it was definitely and Rick because he 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.839 had only come from London like five years prior. Like 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:39.080 he had a thick, thick British accent, and the girls 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:43.319 just it was moisture in that building. There was moisture 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:45.400 in the building. Then all of a sudden, like this 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.400 dude starts beatboxing. Who doesn't go to my school? And 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:50.480 they're like, oh yo, Douggie, you got to get out 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:52.240 of here, like, just drop this beat real quick and 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:54.839 then you can leave. So he's just like, so it's 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:58.439 Dougie Fresh. He starts beatboxing. And then in nineteen eighty 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:00.439 he's in the high school when he doesn't even there, No, 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:04.480 he's just chilling in the lunch room, and I just 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:10.240 hear Ricky go lotty dotty, lotty dotty. 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:11.040 Wow. 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:17.160 I'm like, So he does the whole verse and for 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:20.400 the whole year, I mean the whole year from September 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.600 to June. When we had our ciphers in a lunch room, 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.240 he would do that that little skit called he called 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:28.240 lotty dotty right, and they would beat on tables. Let 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.800 me tell you something, I bit that ship so fast. 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.520 I went back to my hood and I was like, here, 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:39.120 you check out this rhyme I wrote. I was getting 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:45.200 chicks moist moisture. So so they come out. Record blows up. 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:47.960 I'm at Hot Skates and Lynnbrook chilling with my boys. 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:53.640 Records on Kiss famined like midnight, you know somebody's playing it. 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:57.360 I walk into McDonald's. I'm already EMC search, but I'm 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:00.640 not like putting out records yet. I go in McDonald's. 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:04.000 This girl I was kicking it with from Hempstead goes, oh, 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:04.960 look it's Ricky D. 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.160 And I turned around and I go oh yeah, and 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:11.200 she's like you I just hurt your record on kiss 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:11.840 You're Ricky D. 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:17.040 And this big ass dude, he's like, fucking white boy, 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:25.520 ain't slick. I was so mesmerized by what they did 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:27.800 in school, and again Jay Cool was my locker mate. 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.640 And then like just before he graduates high school, he 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:36.120 puts out f R E s A Yo is rhyming 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:38.800 reverse and Pumpkin and the All Stars comes out and 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:40.840 he's on that, and I'm like, wait, he was part 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:42.800 of that cruise. Yeah, yeah he was on that record. 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:47.960 Yeah yeah, Jay Cools on that, Yeah, all of that. 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:51.000 So I'm like, so I'm like, okay, do you have 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.600 so much flavor? Yeah? So I'm like, all of a sudden, 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.000 I'm like, Okay, I know what I'm gonna do with 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.120 my life. I'm gonna be a rapper. Like that's it's 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.720 really that same search come from. How did you get that? 0:15:59.840 --> 0:15:59.880 So? 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.640 When I was in middle school, like literally one day, 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:07.560 like my friend Bill comes into school as Bill and 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:11.080 the next day he's Lord doing the qua mathematics understanding 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:15.040 the law. You know what I'm saying, yo, And I'm 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.280 like what And he's like, yo, I became a five 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:19.480 percent of God, Like I can't even speak to you 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:21.360 a devil now, and like yeah, da da da dad. 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:22.960 And I'm like, why am I devil? Like you're a 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:24.600 white man, you know, y da da da da da 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:25.880 and like the white man is a devil when you 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.040 don't know this comforts of the planet Earth and you 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:29.400 don't know da da da da da and you don't 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.520 have the ones attends. And so I was asking all 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:33.360 these questions and they were like, yo, why do you 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:35.440 keep searching for the answers? Man? Why you keep searching 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.640 for the answers? Devil? Why you keep searching for the 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:41.160 answers the door? Right? And they just so that's where 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.800 they called me search. So now, so now I'm tagging 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.280 search s E A, R C H. Like that was 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:48.560 my name right? That also? 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:50.040 That is that a myth? That's party? Because I heard 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:51.200 you with like a five percent. 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:54.000 Of I practiced. I practiced the one that tends like 0:16:54.120 --> 0:17:00.120 I knew my one attends like I knew nothing a 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:04.680 black and black man, yeah, like three sixty Like I 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.679 had a standard three sixty like yo, like yo, yo, 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:09.000 dollarge boring born like. 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.119 Every white man in his room just put his head down. 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:12.119 I don't even know what the is going on. 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:15.320 This is like a whole another Yes, the original woke. 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:18.560 This is the original state woke. 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.520 Right, Oh boy, I ain't search. I love it and 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:23.080 you're wearing right now. 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.719 Yes, so yeah, we it was really woke. So anyway, 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:30.240 so on my sixteenth birthday, my home, my best friend, 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.120 Kevin on Moore, he got me a name plate belt 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:35.879 buckle and the thing was the name no, no, no, 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.280 the five the five letter name play belt buckle was 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:43.280 like thirty five dollars yo, but the sixth letter one 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:46.760 was like fifty dollars plus the letters were five dollars each, 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:49.560 So he got the five one, but he tried to 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.280 squeeze in the A because he tried to save himself 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:54.920 twenty dollars for my sixteenth birthday. What was your friend's name? 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:59.280 Kevin on Moore? Okay, keV Love, Yeah, love keV Love 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:01.280 and if popped out, so I just said, you know what, 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:03.159 fuck it, I'm just gonna keep it, sus h. And 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:08.560 that's how I spelled the name, did I disappoint you, 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:14.399 lazy no man, search man. I'm just mind blown. I 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:17.040 am a most blessed white Jewish man in the history 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:20.080 of hip hop. Let's be very let's be very clear, 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:22.520 like I tell that people all the time, like when 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.280 people even meet me, Like my partner Matthew's behind me 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:27.760 and we're doing an app called to Do Together, Like 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:30.520 I tell Matthew all the time, I'm like, you don't understand. 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.320 Like I would not be standing next to you, Matthew. 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.480 We wouldn't be doing a dude, if hip hop didn't 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:38.919 save my life, like I would be selling shoes at 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:42.359 fucking Macy's. Like I would I'd be shoveling dirt. Like 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:48.120 everything I learned business, acumen, marketing, promotion, music, love of culture, 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.960 like everything came from hip hop. You know. I mean 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.720 I loved being a Jew and I loved my culture. 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:56.480 But there was no way being a Jew was gonna 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.320 get me to make rap records, you know, with and 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:01.480 go onto a public enemy. It just wasn't gonna happen. 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:05.040 So like it gave me my life, so like everything 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:08.159 that I surround myself with even now is based on 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:09.120 hip hop principles. 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:11.040 How old were you when you were just telling that 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:14.160 story in nineteen seventy nine or eighty. 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:16.960 No, no, that Lottie Dotty, that was like eighty five. 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:19.720 Well yeah, but I heard Lottie Dottie in the Intro 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:23.240 Intelluctum in nineteen eighty, so that was I was fourteen. 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:25.240 That was just a routine they did, right, there was 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:29.400 one of their crew routines. So I was like four 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:31.440 years old before I even got them out. Yeah. 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:36.800 So search like being a white dude in a culture 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:39.080 in which I mean, with the exception of Arthur Baker, 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:43.040 I mean, when I first heard the Beastis in eighty 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:45.040 five with this party's getting rough. 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:47.560 There was no question that we all thought they were No, 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:50.040 oh you thought you thought the Puerto Rican dog. 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:52.880 Now forget the inside sleeve of licensed to Ill back 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:55.080 when they did parties getting rough in the Beastie group, 0:19:55.680 --> 0:20:00.679 like you just fess the man, like I thought they 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:04.199 were Puerto Rican. Oh wow, Because it just never occurred 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:07.639 to me that white dudes could have flavor. So you 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.320 know what I mean, flavored the swag of my generation. 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:14.880 So that said, I mean, were you a walking novelty 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:17.040 to every black person he met? Because even Q Tip 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:20.120 when He described how he first met you with Greg Nice. 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:22.440 He was like, Yo, I never seen no bookshit like 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:23.120 this in my life. 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:24.560 Like he described he. 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:28.400 Just had watermelon at the Latin Quarter Search Watermelon. 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.400 He described the moment where you first heard Big Daddy 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:35.600 Kane's raw, where like it was you Greg Nice uh 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:38.879 d Night Nice uh in him and Kane pulls up 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:41.720 in a limo and plays raw and like, but he 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:44.120 was just like when he met you for the first time, 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:46.600 He's like the most incredible thing, Like he just never 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:50.760 saw a white dude with flavor, right, and so like, 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:55.760 how did you navigate not being a caricature so to speak? 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:57.920 Like Chappelle always says, like always be scared of the 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:01.400 white guy in the black Yeah, because ain't no telling 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:02.200 what he did to get there? 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.119 So what was it like just between eighty one and 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:12.800 eighty six? So really between eighty one and eighty five, 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:17.159 I was really very quiet and very shy because with 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:20.240 the exception of a white rapper, the first white rapper 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:25.880 named Vanilla b aka Lord scotch aka Keo Blake Latham, 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:29.440 there were no white rappers and Blake had the most 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:31.960 flavor I'd ever seen in my life, Like he was 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:35.719 wearing creased Lee's with like dark black wallabies and had 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:38.879 a looseight cane with a latigra and like ghazals and 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:41.720 like he was from Brooklyn, and I was like, whatever 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:43.720 you're doing, I want to match what you're doing, like 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.240 because I don't have that flavor. In Far Rockaway. I 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:48.840 was real humble, like I was just writing to myself, 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:50.840 you know what I'm saying, and like I would like 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:53.280 go into lunch room and I would like I would 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:55.760 see a cipher go on and I'd be like, you know, 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:01.320 oh you never rhind in us? Nah, I never never 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:03.119 never rhymed at school ever. 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:07.280 Yeah, because I was wondering how long you to actually 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:08.840 make get into the circle up. 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:12.800 I never got into the circle. I never never had 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:15.680 the balls to step into that circle. Like never was 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:18.280 going to happen, Like I was way overclassed. 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:20.720 Shout out to teenagers with no balls man. 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:27.680 Aka the Jewish Brother aka lunch Room a k A. 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:35.119 Small testicles, So that was never gonna happen. So I figured, like, Okay, 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:37.760 so I've absorbed all of these mcs that are in 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:41.040 my school, so like when I leave school, like I 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:43.640 can really like step up and do some damage because 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:46.119 I've learned from all these mcs that are around me. 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:50.000 So I had gone to music and art on a voice. 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:53.320 On voice, I was singing Italian opera, and like my 0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:56.520 thought was, I would go to school because I couldn't 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:59.200 afford to go to Yeshiva, and I would be either 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:02.000 a rabbi or and I would learn how to sing 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:04.359 in music and art, and then I would go to 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:07.600 Yeshiva and get a scholarship. And I didn't. I wound 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:09.760 up getting a scholarship to the Saint Louis School of 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:13.520 Music at George Washington University, four year scholarship free ride. 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:17.520 And I had to make a decision signing day right 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:20.560 and the weekend before, I tell my mom, like, yeah, 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:22.159 I'm not going to Saint Louis any shiit for me 0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:24.159 in Saint Louis. I want to be a rapper. And 0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:26.200 she said, what do you mean You're gonna rap gifts 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:29.880 its sears? Like what's a rapper? Really appreciate this? She said, 0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:33.840 Vashonista rapper like Vashnish. I'm like, mom, there's this culture 0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:36.600 called hip hop, and you know there's a music called 0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:38.639 rap and the guys who do it are MCS and 0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:40.120 I want to be a rapper. She says, so, what's 0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:42.399 your plan? And I said, I just told you my plan. 0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:43.920 I'm going to be a rapper. She said, no, no, no, no, 0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:46.640 If you're going to give away four years of college, 0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:48.600 I need you to have a plan, like I need 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:50.280 you to figure it out, Like you can't just say 0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:52.080 you're going to be a rapper. And the thing that 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:53.800 I had going for me is my mother was a 0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:56.800 child star in the Borsch Belt back in the thirties 0:23:56.840 --> 0:23:59.200 and thirty five, and she had to leave that to 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:02.200 win the depre happened to like become a dental technician 0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:04.359 to help put food on the table. So she always 0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:08.119 felt like she couldn't fulfill her career. What's the Borsch 0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:11.960 Belt for? I'm sorry for Jews, right, that's exactly right. 0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:18.159 There's so it's it's all in the Catskills, so Kutcher's brown, 0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:21.440 like it was all these different hotels in the Catskills. 0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:23.160 That was called the Borsch Belt. 0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:26.439 This is the craziest thing because my dad did up 0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:29.320 in the Caskills doing all those hotels, like. 0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:31.760 Yeah, yeah, so that was called the Borsch Belt. So 0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:35.880 young like Jewish artists would go perform and they would 0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:38.160 do like vaudeville and they would sing. And my mom 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:42.359 was one of those singer. Yeah, she had an amazing voice. 0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:45.280 And she's like, you know, put a plan together, and 0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:48.240 let me see the plan, but you have to tell 0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:51.360 Saint Louis School of Music on Monday that you're going 0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:53.600 to college, and if you're not, I want to know 0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:57.439 the plant. So I spent all Friday, Saturday, and Sunday 0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:00.200 like writing this plan, like, well, I got got to 0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:03.320 gotta find a producer, and I gotta find a manager, 0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:05.679 and I gotta make a demo, and I gotta get 0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:08.760 in the studio and I gotta and so I'm going 0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:10.679 through this whole list all weekend like I didn't leave 0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:12.600 my basement, Like all weekend, I'm just going through this list. 0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:16.200 Hold this list. I gotta hit the clubs. And and 0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:17.720 she wanted to know how much time it was going 0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:19.360 to take me to do this, and I said three 0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:20.720 and a half years. And three and a half years, 0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:23.480 I'm gonna have a record contract. And she said, I'll 0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:26.240 tell you what. I'll support you keep a part time job, 0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:28.080 pay for the insurance and the guests in your car, 0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:30.680 but keep it least a part time job or a job. 0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:33.159 I'll pay for your demo. I'll pay for your stage clothes. 0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:36.119 I'll pay for it. I'll support you. But you have 0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:38.520 two choices at the end of three and a half years. 0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:40.800 You go back to school and get out my house, 0:25:41.320 --> 0:25:42.680 or you get a job and get out my house. 0:25:42.720 --> 0:25:47.760 But either way you get Yeah it was different. Wait, 0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:50.879 can we just it was different? Welcome to. 0:25:56.840 --> 0:25:57.040 Man. 0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:02.160 This search is wait in your mom and your mind. 0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:06.000 Time for your mom one time, No, dude, because my 0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:10.159 dad was the opposite. I put it. I didn't tell 0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:12.560 my dad. Dad didn't find out about the Roots until 0:26:12.720 --> 0:26:13.480 the second album. 0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:20.720 Ya had a deal and like it took a record 0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:22.960 review of do you want More to be? Like someone 0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:27.240 showed me this today. You want to explain what's going on? Yeah, Dad, 0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:27.760 I got her. 0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:31.600 Record deal and signed the Deaf Records and Wendy Goldsen 0:26:31.720 --> 0:26:34.480 is my n He didn't believe me or approved till 0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:37.760 the things fall apart. That was when he finally got it. Wait, 0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:42.240 she let you knock and you had not an option 0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:46.920 give a full round full to a forty thousand dollars 0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:50.720 a year school George Washington University and their Saint Louis 0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:54.800 School of Music their specialty program for voice instrumental was 0:26:54.840 --> 0:26:56.879 it because you and your mom was your father around? 0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:58.840 My father was around. So my father was the kind 0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:00.639 of guy like I would go to him, go, Dad, man, 0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:02.800 I'm you know, I don't know if I should do this, 0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:05.840 and you go, so don't do it. But like my 0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:07.600 dad like, I really want to do it, So do it. 0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:10.560 I'm like, I don't know, Well, don't ask me. Then 0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:12.639 either do it or don't do it. Yes, no, I 0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:14.800 don't know. There's your three answers. What do you want 0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:17.800 from me? So my dad really was involved in, like, 0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:21.240 you know, this career thing. He was just like, so 0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:24.280 do it. I'm still mind blowing, Like, well, my mom 0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:26.520 I think would help. Well your dad was a musician 0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:29.320 as well, when you gave her this plan. But here's 0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:32.080 this three page plant. And after three and a half years, 0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:33.720 you either go back to school and get out my 0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:35.680 house or you get a job and get out my house. 0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:38.320 But either way, you get out my house. On my birthday, 0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:41.400 twenty one May sixth I signed my deal to death. 0:27:41.480 --> 0:27:44.720 Jim Wow. Three years at three years, three years. And 0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:46.879 the funny thing was the car that lasted me that 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:49.240 whole time. And I'll tell you about that car between 0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:51.399 me and Pete because we wrote most of the Cactus 0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:54.160 album in that car because it was called the think tank. 0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:55.960 Because it had no radio, all you could do is 0:27:56.000 --> 0:27:58.960 think in it, so we could just literally write rhymes 0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:02.119 like not even accept player that play instrument. No, she 0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:04.800 was dead, just dead. We would just think. That's We 0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:06.960 called it the think tank, like we drove it all 0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:08.720 over the place. It was in nineteen seventy four of 0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:12.399 Volare and was just like a think tank. So I signed, 0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:15.119 So I signed deaf Jam. I get a fifteen thousand 0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:18.280 dollars advance right to sign a deaf Jam. I go 0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:22.560 to my mom. I show the contest it was like, 0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:25.320 and we had a beg for that money. We had 0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:29.920 a beg for it. So my mom gives me two letters. Yes, 0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:34.280 one letter says how proud she is of me, and 0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:38.000 that I won't really realize what I just accomplished until 0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:42.200 I have children of my own, and that the real 0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:44.440 work and the real testament is to how long I 0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:48.160 ran no streets because I random streets. For three years, 0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:50.480 I treated my house and then we'll go to that. 0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:53.040 But for three years. I treated my house like a hotel, 0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:55.440 like I literally was at a shit shower shave, and 0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:59.440 I was in the streets six days a week, every club, Brooklyn, Queens, 0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:02.320 Long Island, Stan Island, anywhere there was a cipher, I 0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:05.640 was there. I was there, like it was not even 0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:08.720 a question. I was everywhere. I was every Like my 0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:10.800 friends like to call me the forest Gump of hip 0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:14.120 hop because from nineteen eighty five to nineteen eighty nine, 0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:16.720 anything that happened in the Five Boroughs that was historic, 0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:19.600 I was there. It's period period. I was just there. 0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:22.080 Let's go through it and we will. But I just 0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:23.960 want to just tell you this once quick story because 0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:25.960 the Jews in the room will appreciate it. Yeah. So 0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:28.240 my mother gives me this letter telling me how proud 0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:30.040 she is of me, but that the real work starts 0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:32.560 when I signed the contract, like all the work was nothing. 0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:34.320 Now that I really have to do the work. Now, 0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:36.120 you got to keep it right, maintain it. And the 0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:42.000 second letter was a bill electric rent clothing season charge 0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:49.600 right seventeen nine hundred and thirty six dollars and forty 0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:52.080 three cents, And she wanted to know how I was 0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:55.560 going to pay it. And that was three years period. Wow, 0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:58.360 So I said, Mom, I said, I only got fifteen thousand. 0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:00.960 I'll give you five thousand now and the rest of it, 0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:03.239 I'll give you my ass cap royalties, which for all 0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:05.600 those that don't know, is when your record plays on 0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:09.840 the radio, you make money. So for about ten years after, 0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:12.280 I would get phone calls at home and go, Michael, 0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:14.800 did you know your record Step into the Am played 0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:18.600 in Israel four times this month? You made that dollar 0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:21.800 thirty one? And in Germany your record? And did you 0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:24.080 know that if your record plays on w any W 0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:26.640 you make more money than if it plays on Kiss FM. 0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:29.840 And so anyway, ten years later, in nineteen ninety seven 0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:32.440 or nineteen eighty ninety eight, she sent me a letter 0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:36.480 that said paid in full, that like my ass covered 0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:39.480 the debt. Damn. So people always say one or two things, 0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:41.680 either laugh at that or go, damn, your mom is 0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:46.080 fucked up. No, no, she rues, would you reap the 0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:46.719 one thousand? 0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:49.800 I don't feel bad now because my dad did the 0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:53.840 same shit to me. He kind of yeah, he was 0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:58.320 like I didn't tell him about our vance. So one 0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:00.880 day that just came on with all these new clothes 0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:05.720 like we went overboard, like we we polled ourselves to death, 0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:08.880 like we came all these new clothes. He's like, where 0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:13.160 you get all these new clothes from? And I was like, oh, well, yeah, 0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:15.880 we got it the record deal and huh what was that? 0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:18.400 And then he was just like all right, I won 0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:25.320 ten wow, ten thousand wow. I gave him ten rex like. 0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:27.560 That just advance. 0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:30.520 It is what it is, thousand dollars advances. 0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:34.600 It was a little different at guessing. So anyway, so 0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:39.040 between so basically after I left high school, I basically 0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:41.880 became a beast. Like I basically became a beast. So 0:31:41.920 --> 0:31:44.840 what happened was I just focused, focus, focused on getting 0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:45.360 a record deal. 0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:47.600 See that's weird now that I know the backstory. I 0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:50.160 guess in your mind there's a backwards clock. 0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:55.080 Yes, with I can't be the clock. That's exactly right now. 0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:57.880 I'm just thinking like wow, because every the thing is 0:31:58.000 --> 0:32:01.760 you are the common denominator to every hip hop folk 0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:05.600 lore story I've ever heard of classic New York clubs. 0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:07.880 Oh yeah, I remember searching no No No, or or 0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:11.080 a concert what Oh yeah, I remember a cool white 0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:13.120 boy no No No. But in my head I was 0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:15.080 just like, oh, well search was just like you know 0:32:15.680 --> 0:32:18.120 socialite search, like he's just everywhere. 0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:22.840 But now I know you it gets your deal. No, 0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:25.600 it's definitely. It was definitely. The clock was ticking. And 0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:28.040 so that weekend, what do you like the day she 0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:32.560 hands you right, what happened? Tell my my guidance counselor. 0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:34.360 I go back to school Monday and say, yo, I'm 0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:38.160 not going to school and he's like whatever. Be And 0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:43.040 then you know, I graduate and I just become a 0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:47.080 beast and I have a meeting, like a meeting gets 0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:50.360 set up for me at Profile Records with their head 0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:53.680 of marketing named Steve plot Nikki and Steve plott Nicky. 0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:57.480 His fame real name, yes I was. His claim to 0:32:57.520 --> 0:33:00.240 fame was he created the Adidas deal with Leor for 0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:03.320 run DMC like he was a big marketing guy and 0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:06.520 he did retail and marketing for Profile. And I got 0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:09.360 a meeting with him and I thought, this is it. 0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:12.600 Like one meeting, I'm signed done and he tells me 0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:14.240 I need to make a demo and I said great, 0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:16.240 and he said bring it back when you make a demo. Great, 0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:20.160 and I left that place. I left Profile, which was 0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:24.160 on Broadway across from NYU and I literally called my 0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:25.960 mom collect and said, oh, I just got a deal 0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:28.680 I want signed to Profile Records. And I get on 0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:31.640 the Long Island Railroad and there's these bad chicks from 0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:33.920 Valley Stream that I've been kicking it too for a minute, 0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:36.960 and they're all like in the train and they're coming 0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:38.960 from the city and they're all giggly, and I'm like, 0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:41.360 I'm feeling myself because I'm like, yo, I just got 0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:44.120 a deal of Profile Records. I met Steve plot Nikki. 0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:47.120 I'm in and they're like, we didn't even know you rhyme. 0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:49.800 So I start rhyming off the top of my head 0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:51.880 about all these bad chicks and what they look like 0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:53.840 and what they got on. And I'm talking about the 0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:56.960 conductor gets my ticket. I'm beefing about why the d 0:33:57.160 --> 0:34:00.360 LR is always late, and all these people start coming 0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:03.200 around me because I'm rhyming real loud because I'm feeling myself. 0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:07.240 I'm like, yo, you know, and this bad Dominican chick 0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:08.920 comes up to me. She goes, I talk to you 0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:10.640 a second. I was like, you could talk to me 0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:12.880 as long as you want, as long as you want. 0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:15.360 She's like, you know, my name is Loridus and my 0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:17.800 boyfriend is Grandma was Tony d from the Bad Boys, 0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:21.160 and they had the biggest D expect the gadget like, right, 0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:24.720 that was the record and forget about that over Roonica 0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:31.879 was even bigger D. Right, Oh, Tony d Yes, Tony Dick. Right. 0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:35.839 So I'm like, yo, set up a meeting. She's like, yeah, 0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:37.520 but I got to be your manager. I'm like whatever, 0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:40.360 be like, it's all good. So she gives me his 0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:42.080 card and she goes, you know, give me your phone number. 0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:43.480 I'll call you in a couple of weeks and I'll 0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:46.680 set up a meeting. She scratches out his number, but 0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:50.480 his name is there on the card, Anthony Dick and 0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:53.239 an address. So I'm like, I ain't waiting two weeks 0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:54.759 for this, bitch, Like, what are you talking about? I 0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:56.560 go home. I called four one one. I said, hey, 0:34:56.600 --> 0:35:00.360 can I get the number for Anthony Dick on Ccrest Boulevard, Brooklyn, 0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:01.960 New York. And they're like yes, seven one and AP 0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:05.560 blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Calling hello, 0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:08.000 grand is it Tony dd is mc search. I just 0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:12.480 met Lordes. She told me you could sign me. He's like, man, look, man, 0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:14.080 I can't really talk right now. We're going to like 0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:16.800 Toronto for two weeks on tour. Call me in two weeks. 0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:20.880 I'm like, okay, click next day, next day, next, I'm like, 0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:23.600 two weeks to the day, ring, Oh, how is Toronto? 0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:26.279 Tony is search again? You know when can I come? Oh? Man, 0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:28.000 we're going on tour. Like yo, I'm gonna be going 0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:30.680 for like a month. Tic tic tic tic tic tic 0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:33.879 tic tick. Thirty days later, Tony, what up? Man? Search? 0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:36.239 I did this for six months. For six months, he 0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:38.120 would tell me not to call. Wait a month. I 0:35:38.160 --> 0:35:41.680 would wait a month. I call. Finally, it's April. It's 0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:46.839 April in nineteen eighty six. It's pouring rain, it's it's 0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:48.160 the middle of the night. I'm like, you know what, 0:35:48.280 --> 0:35:50.239 it's not thirty at nighte you know whatever. I'm just 0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:53.359 gonna try him. Call on Hello, Tony Man, it's Search. 0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:55.439 He's like, you know what, man, just come over. I'm 0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:57.960 like what even. He's like, I got some people over, 0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:01.040 but just come over. The car was acting funny and 0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:02.279 I didn't think I would get it all the way 0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:05.320 out there, so I called my best friend. I was 0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:09.560 driving so I called my man. I'm like, Billy, you 0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:11.399 gotta take me out to Seagate. He's like, yeah, it's 0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:13.279 porn rain. I'm like, bro, this is my shot. Like, 0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:15.279 you gotta take me out to Seagate. Like I gotta go. 0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:18.480 So he drives me out and where he was in 0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:21.120 Corney Island. If people know Seagate, if you don't, this 0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:23.560 basically it's like the end of Corny Island is a 0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:26.160 dead end. And then there's these fences that are like 0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:29.600 ten feet high, these fences where like all the Italian 0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:33.000 mafioso stay over there. And Tony was in his brownstone 0:36:33.040 --> 0:36:36.400 right across from the projects, and there's these bad cars, 0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:39.640 like in his parking lot is an eighty five Jaguar 0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:43.040 x J sitting on Dayton's and there's like a ninety 0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:46.880 eight Osmobile like Crispy, and there's a Cadillac. And I'm like, so, 0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:48.920 I'm telling my man, Billy, like, yo, let's go inside. 0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:50.279 And he's like, I ain't going in there, man, you 0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:52.279 can go in there by yourself. I'm like, word, you 0:36:52.320 --> 0:36:53.719 ain't gonna come in with me. He's like, nah, you 0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:56.600 go in, go in. Knock on the door. Tony opens 0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:59.880 the door. Yeah, I'm search whatever. I'm like, no, no, no, 0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:02.600 it's me. I'm search. He's like, all right, come on in. 0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:06.560 So it's this really thin hallway and it was dark 0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:09.760 and it opened up to this living room and sitting 0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:12.839 on the couch was Lord Treue from the Eternal Force, 0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:17.800 who I knew from high school. Uh, Grandmaster D from Houdini, 0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:22.080 jam Master Jay right, and they're just sitting there looking 0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:24.160 at me. And Tony goes, let's go in the basement. 0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:28.439 And it's this dark, like musty basement and I'm going 0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:30.200 down these steps and I'm like, oh my god, like 0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:32.000 three of the biggest DJs in the world are about 0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:38.960 to jump me. This is awesome jump. So we go 0:37:39.120 --> 0:37:42.880 down into this this musty, damp basement and he clicks 0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:45.120 this light and it's this little lamp and it's a 0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:47.840 little makeshift studio within a kai and a little studio 0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:51.280 right there, and he sits me down and Tony sits 0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:53.520 over me, and literally it was like jam Master j 0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:59.120 D Taru and he says rat and I went, so 0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:01.200 you think you rock well, got a snowball chance in 0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:03.319 hell to catch the empty search because I will ring 0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:05.360 your bell and soon you will tell them my record's 0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:07.520 gonna sell because when I finished wrapping, home boys are 0:38:07.520 --> 0:38:09.560 gonna yell you will be so excited at my five's 0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:11.680 benic Night. And then all the party people have now 0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:13.839 been sighted, say if you have my sight, keep rocking 0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:15.400 all night and let the power of the party go 0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:17.279 far and bright. My name is empty, said, and I 0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:21.360 rhyme my ass off for like two minutes straight, spitting 0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:31.000 by and I said, oh, and there's dead silence, dead son, 0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:35.600 and I'm like this dead silence, and jam asked. Jay 0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:37.920 leans back and he crosses his arms and he plits 0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:43.400 his hands over his mouth, and he goes, fuck, if 0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:46.320 white boys start rhyming like this, we're over yo. I 0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:49.200 need you to come on tour with me with Davy DMX, 0:38:49.280 --> 0:38:51.160 and I need you to open with Davy DMX and 0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:53.759 me and all Benny and Grandma aster D. He's like, no, no, no, no, no, 0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:55.759 I need you to write for Houdini. We got this 0:38:55.840 --> 0:38:57.520 new album coming out and we need you to write. 0:38:57.600 --> 0:38:59.560 And Tony D's like, nah, this is my artist. It's 0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:01.279 my artist. You gotta talk to me. And I had 0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:04.960 no paperwork none, so I'm like so like, I'm like 0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:08.400 I made it and Tony hands me a contract and 0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:13.960 I signed it. Wait, power of attorney, power of signature, 0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:17.759 all of my royalties, all of my publishing everything. I 0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:20.680 signed everything over because I was just open. How old 0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:24.839 it is, open eighteen, I signed everything. I'm I tell 0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:27.320 my mom, I got a fair deal. Like She's like, 0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:28.840 we should have a lawyer look at it. I'm like, no, 0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:32.080 he would never jerk me. Like took everything and I'm 0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:35.040 just open. Like I'm in the house with the bad Boys. 0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:37.680 They're talking about doing a new record. I'm helping in 0:39:37.760 --> 0:39:40.160 writing for the Glamour Girls who had the answer records 0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:43.200 of Over Veronica. And I'm meeting Sweet Tea, and I'm 0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:45.480 meeting this one and that one. And I'm going into 0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:48.040 the studio with Houdini and I'm writing be Yourself, and 0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:51.200 I'm writing all these other records and be yourself. Yep, 0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:56.920 you might find yourself by yourself. Mill Jackson, Millie Jackson. 0:39:57.160 --> 0:39:59.640 Yeah wow. So I'm doing all this and I'm like, 0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:01.840 and I'm not making a penny. I'm just excited. Like 0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:04.520 I'm just excited. I'm going on tour and I'm doing shows. 0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:12.000 He had a contract just there, yeah, just there, yeah, 0:40:12.120 --> 0:40:13.120 just the straight Baller place. 0:40:14.200 --> 0:40:17.120 That's exactly right. It's exactly right. So I signed over 0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:22.680 everything and and I'm doing eighty six. So we signed 0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:25.800 a Warlock. I put out Melissa, which was a terrible record, 0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:30.560 which is the first single I cannot find. I've scoured 0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:33.319 the earth. I'll give you one. I'll give you one. 0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:37.879 Thank you, you will. I don't want hurt or ever 0:40:38.000 --> 0:40:42.200 play it, but I'll give you one. It's terrible, slick 0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:48.400 wor it's bold cousin like, I am fucking horrendous, like 0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:50.640 because that's what I was around for four years. So 0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:57.560 I'm thinking. And it was terrible. It's a terrible record, 0:40:57.840 --> 0:41:03.160 and was in an em search EMC search great nicer, No, 0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:05.719 it's just me. It was Warlock Records. I was signed 0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:11.319 to Adam Levey and Morris Leevy. All right, wow yeah yeah. 0:41:18.360 --> 0:41:21.480 So I'm not making a lot of money, you know 0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:23.880 with my record deal and I'm doing like little shows. 0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:27.440 But I'm making your deal with what was like, did 0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:29.560 you get advanced or anything? No? Nothing, It all went 0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:31.960 to Tony D. So how are you living? So I'm 0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:36.920 basically I'm working. I'm working two jobs. I'm driving Yeshiva 0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:40.799 kids from Queen's to Farakaway to go to Yeshiva. Bill 0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:46.239 just lit up. I bet they were paying that was 0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:47.040 sugar Steve. 0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:55.960 I'm just saying it sounds like Chess Records and reverse 0:41:56.080 --> 0:41:56.640 what happened? 0:41:56.920 --> 0:42:04.759 What happened almost almost famed. I laughed, Yo, Yeah, so yeah, 0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:07.240 I was getting paid decent money and I was delivering 0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:14.719 pizza and chicken, so like that's what I was doing. Wait, yeah, 0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:28.480 kids could ever have ever baked chicken? And so I'm like, 0:42:28.600 --> 0:42:30.879 I'm making but but what I was really making money 0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:35.000 is my man understanding from Redfern projects. He was seeing that. 0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:37.800 I was like, rhymen, but like he hated my record, Like, 0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:40.120 I gotta tell you this story. This is and I 0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:42.480 know a certain DJ is gonna hate me for this, 0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:45.200 but I love him and he's a OG, but it 0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:49.160 is what it is. So nobody would play the record 0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:51.759 except for Bill Blast and Van d C. They would 0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:53.680 play the record and the Awesome Too would play the record. 0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:55.480 But I was like, yo, we got to get this 0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:57.520 record on Kiss FM. They got to get it on 0:42:57.760 --> 0:43:00.520 Kiss FM, and Red Alert had a theory. It was 0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:02.800 very simple. If he liked the record, he would play it. 0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:04.680 If it's not. He'd say that's not hot, and he 0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:07.160 wouldn't play it. So my record was not hot. He 0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:10.120 was not playing it. But I heard we could get 0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:13.480 to Chuck chill Out if we paid him. So we 0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:15.560 go to see Chuck before he goes on the air, 0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:18.880 and I'm in awe because it's Chuck chill Out and 0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:22.680 it's kiss And I see Tony hand him the Melissa 0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:26.400 record with two hundred dollars attached to the record. Instead 0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:29.399 of seeing the logo, I see the bills, and Chuck 0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:31.799 looks down at me and says, the only reason I'm 0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:33.640 playing this piece of shit is because you paid me. 0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:36.520 And I said thank you. I stuck my hand down. 0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:39.360 I said thank you, thank you very much. I appreciate it. 0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:42.799 He played that record for thirty six seconds and took 0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:48.600 the ship off. Wow, not even the first It's horrific. No, 0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:56.080 it wasn't. No record was horrific. Yeah, you don't believe 0:43:56.640 --> 0:44:02.280 the show right now, don't. Oh my god, you search please. 0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:09.279 I never knew that play the record. I love this 0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:10.920 is only because I love you and you've done so 0:44:11.040 --> 0:44:16.160 much for my family. Even well, look, I mean so 0:44:16.560 --> 0:44:20.560 it's this song is thirty one years old. This is education. 0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:23.880 It's just my age. We promise not to laugh. No, 0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:26.480 you know, if you don't laugh, I'll be I'll be pissed. 0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:30.480 This is laugh because you think its been terrible. It's 0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:33.280 that terrible. But I'm one of them silver line motherfuckers. 0:44:33.320 --> 0:44:36.239 Be like, well, I like the breakbeats. So all right, 0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:40.080 ladies and gentlemen. Is Melissa on Warlock Records, I'm c 0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:42.759 search Grand Wizards, Tony d Yeah right here on quest 0:44:42.840 --> 0:44:53.640 Lo Supre I cannot wait? Fuck mid that's the B side. 0:44:55.040 --> 0:45:02.600 Oh she's not considered the pleasant, you know. That's the 0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:03.080 B side. 0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:11.359 Is playing like the depth se and that's you kind 0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:14.279 of that's far for the chorus for eighty six. Yeah, 0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:18.200 no that was that was not the wasn't winning again? 0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:20.640 No not no, it didn't. But here's the thing, yes 0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:23.720 it did. But because I had made such a stench 0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:27.200 in the city, right, only a few people looked at 0:45:27.239 --> 0:45:28.879 the B side, And one of the people that did 0:45:29.480 --> 0:45:31.880 was a guy named Daddio from Sets of Sign. So 0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:33.920 what Daddyo would do is say, Yo, Search, I want 0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:36.520 you to come on tour with us with Stet and 0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:38.560 then step would do a little bit of their show 0:45:38.600 --> 0:45:40.399 and a little bit of their performance and Daddyo would 0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:42.279 come out and goes, yo, I brought my son with me. 0:45:42.400 --> 0:45:44.480 He's gonna come out and perform, and they would throw 0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:45.840 on the record and I would come out due to 0:45:45.920 --> 0:45:48.040 running Man, the crowd would go crazy, like, oh my god, 0:45:48.480 --> 0:45:52.800 he's like crazy. Right, So that helped like build my 0:45:52.920 --> 0:45:55.839 rep to get to my second single. But between eighty 0:45:55.920 --> 0:45:59.719 five and like eighty seven, what really kind of got 0:45:59.800 --> 0:46:03.439 my repout is that my man, understanding from Redfern knew 0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:05.319 that I was dope off the top of my head, 0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:08.359 like and I would battle anybody. So what he would 0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:10.040 do is he would set up these battles in the 0:46:10.120 --> 0:46:13.480 Five boroughs, like Vandermere Projects in Brooklyn, and he would 0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:15.520 set up something in east Gate and like all of this, 0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:17.840 and he'd be like, Yo, my man search want a battle, 0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:21.040 and they'd be like, yo, put up a hundred, and 0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:22.920 you know, these drug dealers be like that, you know, 0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:26.160 fucking my man is dope. Like yeah, my man whatever, 0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:28.879 it's dope, Like he's dope in the projects, right, He's like, yeah, 0:46:28.960 --> 0:46:31.000 my man will crush him. And then they would see 0:46:31.040 --> 0:46:32.960 me come off the subway like yeah, that's search and 0:46:33.000 --> 0:46:35.239 I'm having the glasses and the mullet and they're like, 0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:41.680 oh shit, two hundred, and I would I would get 0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:43.800 an these ciphers and somebody would beat box and I 0:46:43.840 --> 0:46:46.480 would always let the dude go first, and then I 0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:49.040 would pick apart his verse in front of him and 0:46:49.120 --> 0:46:51.359 spit his rms back at them and tell him how 0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:53.960 wacky was because he said something and he really should 0:46:54.000 --> 0:46:55.440 have said this when he meant this, and da da 0:46:55.520 --> 0:46:58.719 da da da da da bake them, bake them like 0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:02.560 and then everyone ooh right. So one time in the Bronx, 0:47:02.760 --> 0:47:04.719 I'm at this battle and my man's dj inn and 0:47:04.800 --> 0:47:06.239 it was like some serious money. I think it was 0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:08.600 like two seventy five or something. This dude was putting up. 0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:11.520 So we're battling, and I'm like, it's just it's this 0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:13.920 Latin kid, like he's half Latin, half black, and I'm like, 0:47:14.960 --> 0:47:16.520 I just went in. I don't know why. I think 0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:18.799 I was like smoking weed or like, I just went 0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:21.280 in and like I started talking about how it's sucking 0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:24.160 his sister and like and I just remember this, and 0:47:24.239 --> 0:47:25.960 this is the one thing I know. And then this 0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:28.560 is the one thing I said. I remember this, and 0:47:28.640 --> 0:47:32.480 I said, just realize a block Keto just smoked you up. 0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:39.319 Don't say a word. This motherfucker is looking at me like, Man, 0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:40.920 I'll fucking kill you. 0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:44.239 I don't even know what that means. 0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:48.799 Shut him out. So at the end of the party, 0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:50.600 my man is asking me to break down his set. 0:47:50.760 --> 0:47:52.640 I got this giant amp in my hand, you know, 0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:55.240 like from eighty five, like the size of car trunk 0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:58.440 right here. Pop and I see the amp and the 0:47:58.520 --> 0:48:01.279 amp cracks in half, and I look up and it's 0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:03.480 the Puerto Rican Kidney's aim in a thirty eight at me. 0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:06.680 Oh so I'm like Brooklyn dip drop the ship. He 0:48:06.760 --> 0:48:10.160 takes two more shots and dip out, run through the subway. 0:48:10.600 --> 0:48:13.440 It's just it's just the word spread like the social 0:48:13.520 --> 0:48:15.759 network news that like you can't battle this kid because 0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:17.800 you're gonna want to kill them. No more project battles, 0:48:17.880 --> 0:48:21.359 some more project battles after rest of all. Okay, that's 0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:23.200 how it's making my money. Like I would make like 0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:25.640 two three hundred a weekend because my man would split and. 0:48:25.680 --> 0:48:28.839 There was nothing to you to just show up at 0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:32.279 Marshy project, nothing, nothing, nothing, and it. 0:48:32.320 --> 0:48:33.839 Never turned into you never had to put your hands 0:48:33.880 --> 0:48:34.719 on anybody. 0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:39.279 Even as gentrified as Brooklyn is now down today. I 0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:43.160 don't even go into a bodega without clearing it first. 0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:46.359 I just you know what, Look, I have some friends 0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:49.400 who are real deep. And it's funny because even like 0:48:49.880 --> 0:48:53.719 in the Latin Quarter, like fifty the original fifty cent 0:48:53.840 --> 0:48:57.040 and a Rock and the Decepticons, and they always looked 0:48:57.080 --> 0:48:58.600 out for me. Like I could go to Gates and 0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:00.759 Green and like have no problem because they'd be like, 0:49:01.160 --> 0:49:02.880 you know, no, I don't fuck with Search. That's fit 0:49:02.960 --> 0:49:05.000 these men, like, don't fuck with them. Don't fuck with them. 0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:07.920 And in Queen's like Tommy Mickens and like all those 0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:10.520 kids fat Cat, like all those dudes that got locked 0:49:10.600 --> 0:49:12.759 up for like one hundred years for like those were 0:49:12.840 --> 0:49:15.279 my boys. Like those were like just my dudes, and 0:49:15.320 --> 0:49:16.880 they'd be like, yo, Search, come over here, kick a 0:49:16.920 --> 0:49:19.239 little kick, a little rum about this this this kid 0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:25.040 over here. So freestyling was your redemption after Melissa. Not 0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:27.200 only my redemption, but it's how I got my deal 0:49:27.239 --> 0:49:30.520 at Death champ Wow, because Deve Funk and klimmeh he 0:49:30.600 --> 0:49:32.759 Rest in Peace used to run the battle for World 0:49:32.800 --> 0:49:36.440 supremacy for New Music Seminar and I had a second 0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:38.399 single that came out on a label that my mother 0:49:38.520 --> 0:49:41.840 started with Tony D called Idler's Records. She put your 0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:45.120 mom owns Isler's. Well, she didn't own it. She put 0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:47.000 up the money to for the first single, which was 0:49:47.080 --> 0:49:47.440 hey boy. 0:49:48.160 --> 0:49:50.040 Your mother went from not knowing what rap was to 0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:50.880 investing in it. 0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:51.439 Yeah. 0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:58.040 She said, wait a minute, based on yeah, hey boy, 0:49:58.239 --> 0:50:00.520 that was you? Yeah that was me, Yo, Lady B 0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:01.759 played that so much. 0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:04.839 That was you, that was me? And you know why 0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:07.520 she played it. You know why she played it? Why 0:50:07.680 --> 0:50:10.880 we did a party for her at a high school 0:50:11.440 --> 0:50:14.520 in Philly. Me and Tony D went up there and 0:50:14.640 --> 0:50:17.880 the crowd started boring me the second they saw me. 0:50:18.080 --> 0:50:20.600 Uh huh. I mean I'm not talking about little Booze 0:50:24.200 --> 0:50:26.359 right right. And I go to Tony, I'll go why 0:50:26.400 --> 0:50:29.120 they booing me? And we already had this plan because 0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:31.800 it happened before. So you always went in this situation 0:50:32.040 --> 0:50:35.520 being underestimated always so. And you know who has the 0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:38.480 tape of this is DJ cash Money or either TAT 0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:40.880 or cash Money. One of them have the tape. They 0:50:40.960 --> 0:50:43.520 have the tape of it. So I said, yo, why 0:50:43.560 --> 0:50:46.879 they boring me? And he said, it's because you're white, 0:50:47.440 --> 0:50:50.719 and I went, get the fuck out of here. If 0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:53.399 anything else see a white boy on say somebody say why, 0:50:53.719 --> 0:51:07.600 well the fuck up? Why say why? Motherfucker? I'll show you. 0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:14.000 Can I play Hey Boy? Yes? Absolutely? Yo? I love 0:51:14.080 --> 0:51:17.400 that record, Yo, Yo, I've never heard this. 0:51:17.520 --> 0:51:19.759 This is the first time, dog, this is this is 0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:23.640 my high school experiences, like listening to Lady B Street 0:51:23.680 --> 0:51:26.839 Beat at like eleven thirty at nine on Power ninety nine, 0:51:27.000 --> 0:51:29.759 and they used to always run this joint. Yo, this 0:51:29.960 --> 0:51:34.200 EMC search hey Boy, I list record. I cannot believe that. 0:51:34.480 --> 0:51:36.480 And the second record we put out was Jimbrowski the 0:51:36.560 --> 0:51:37.200 Jungle Brothers. 0:51:37.920 --> 0:51:41.399 That's why I know Idlers. Yes, that was like that's okay, 0:51:41.680 --> 0:51:43.719 that's I'm mind blowing right now. All right, all right, 0:51:43.800 --> 0:51:45.879 this is of course little Supreme. This is hey Boy 0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:46.800 MC search. 0:51:47.560 --> 0:51:50.359 B and he at a party stone Cold Inlands. Oh 0:51:50.400 --> 0:51:51.400 go in my hand man. 0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:53.719 You know that I was killing the bouncing on the wall. 0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:56.480 He's having a ball. Went out and know where I 0:51:56.600 --> 0:51:57.920 hear this call and that goes. 0:51:57.800 --> 0:52:00.200 Up like. 0:52:03.080 --> 0:52:05.880 People, the people people. 0:52:06.880 --> 0:52:10.000 Well, it all started out and this one's showing. Now 0:52:10.040 --> 0:52:13.760 these words follow me whatever I go from front and behind. 0:52:13.840 --> 0:52:15.920 It blows my mind. Whoever this girl is. 0:52:16.120 --> 0:52:19.840 Mash's being unconn in the US say or even overseas, 0:52:19.840 --> 0:52:22.239 the damn girls from the OSH just to follow me. 0:52:22.680 --> 0:52:24.719 She wants you taunts like a witch or a gona 0:52:24.800 --> 0:52:26.920 sent all that I can do about it? When the 0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:30.680 boss any and turn around and face his voice cold, invisible, 0:52:30.760 --> 0:52:32.919 unstoppable and who sitch? 0:52:32.960 --> 0:52:35.840 I noticeol, why don't you try to recruit I can't, Tony. 0:52:36.080 --> 0:52:36.480 She got me. 0:52:36.560 --> 0:52:42.400 Not for people, dude, like this, there's no feeling like 0:52:42.520 --> 0:52:44.879 you know, the feeling, the feeling that I'll have when 0:52:45.400 --> 0:52:50.080 we finally discover that ECM sample of Crooklyn Crookly, like 0:52:50.200 --> 0:52:53.920 the relief of like I finally found out what this 0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:57.120 sample was. There's like six what I thought were Philly 0:52:57.200 --> 0:53:00.920 records that I've been searching for. I ever knew that 0:53:01.040 --> 0:53:04.480 was MC search. I loved that record. Boy, it was 0:53:04.560 --> 0:53:05.640 like the Wop classic. 0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:10.799 Wait, it was absolutely That's exactly what I was thinking 0:53:10.800 --> 0:53:12.359 about when I made that record, was like, I want 0:53:12.360 --> 0:53:13.759 to do a record that I could wop to. You 0:53:13.840 --> 0:53:15.560 could do the Wop? How old were you when you 0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:20.640 made that? I was twenty nineteen twenty Okay, that was 0:53:21.120 --> 0:53:23.960 eighty seven, eighty seven, eighty eighty seven, and mind you 0:53:24.160 --> 0:53:26.400 like we had sold like seventy five thousand copies of 0:53:26.480 --> 0:53:29.360 that single. I never saw a penny, you know, because 0:53:29.400 --> 0:53:33.719 Tonyd owned everything. So I go to funking Clin he'd 0:53:33.719 --> 0:53:35.279 seen me in the Latin Quarter and he says, Yo, 0:53:35.400 --> 0:53:37.080 you know you should be a part of this battle. 0:53:37.080 --> 0:53:38.279 I know you were on off top of your head. 0:53:38.320 --> 0:53:41.280 I'm like, yeah, cool, Like I'll show up, Yeah, no problem. 0:53:41.920 --> 0:53:43.920 You know there was a battle. There was like sixty 0:53:43.960 --> 0:53:47.440 four ms was crazy, and I battle this dude Ronan 0:53:47.560 --> 0:53:53.160 Row from BMO this source. Yes, he's an MC first. Yeah, 0:53:53.360 --> 0:53:56.080 he was signed to Select Records. On the record he 0:53:56.239 --> 0:53:58.840 was a group called Big Men on Campus BMOC that 0:53:58.960 --> 0:54:03.360 was signed by Faith Newman, who started her career a 0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:07.759 single out. Yes, what year was it? Eighty seven? I 0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:10.120 think I had one of those records. So anyway, I 0:54:10.239 --> 0:54:12.799 slayed them like it was embarrassing, Like I slayed them 0:54:12.840 --> 0:54:16.520 like I just just talked now battles, Okay, now, so 0:54:16.680 --> 0:54:19.120 battles that the Battles and New Music Seminar were really 0:54:19.160 --> 0:54:22.600 cool because they threw on beats that producers made, so 0:54:22.840 --> 0:54:25.680 all these producers would just throw on beats or we 0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:28.160 would rhyme to like records that were hot, and we 0:54:28.239 --> 0:54:30.399 were just and it was a countdown clock to ninety 0:54:30.480 --> 0:54:32.600 seconds and then you did what you did and you 0:54:32.680 --> 0:54:36.000 were done. So were real time battles or was it 0:54:36.320 --> 0:54:38.840 real time stuff in your head? No? Real time? Like 0:54:38.920 --> 0:54:41.040 I was off the top of the head, off the head, 0:54:41.440 --> 0:54:44.800 so everything was for me. It was I mean, the 0:54:44.920 --> 0:54:47.800 dudes I was battling wrote and that was my That 0:54:47.960 --> 0:54:50.480 was my claim to fame was that whatever they wrote, 0:54:50.480 --> 0:54:52.480 I'd be like, yo, why do you say that when 0:54:52.520 --> 0:54:53.880 you should have said it like this and da da 0:54:53.960 --> 0:54:55.680 da da dada. Now you get me pissed because blah 0:54:55.680 --> 0:54:58.880 blah blah blah blah and you should have da oh. 0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:02.360 I would rip people apart. So the finals were the 0:55:02.440 --> 0:55:06.279 next day at Webster Hall. It's top sixteen and the 0:55:06.320 --> 0:55:08.440 first battle I have is with this guy Raving Tea 0:55:08.520 --> 0:55:14.560 from the Mighty Dismasters. Ah love that record, and he's 0:55:14.640 --> 0:55:17.440 baking people with mama jokes, like he's doing like hip 0:55:17.480 --> 0:55:20.040 hop mama jokes. So this is the only time I 0:55:20.120 --> 0:55:21.880 wrote in that whole battle, I'm like, I gotta come 0:55:21.960 --> 0:55:25.239 up with some mama jokes like to like slam, And 0:55:25.360 --> 0:55:27.160 I set a couple of them in rhyme for them 0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:30.440 and they were terrible, and I lost my flow and 0:55:30.560 --> 0:55:34.239 I froze, and the crowd starts booing me, and I'm 0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:37.680 getting nervous, and then out of his pocket he pulls 0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:40.200 out a piece of paper to get ready, and I 0:55:40.280 --> 0:55:44.440 went oh, and I started pointing at the paper. I'm like, yo, 0:55:44.560 --> 0:55:46.760 that's how you say your rhyme's off a piece of paper. 0:55:47.040 --> 0:55:48.719 You know. Somebody out the crowd, come get me a 0:55:48.760 --> 0:55:50.640 way to so I could serve him a whole new 0:55:50.640 --> 0:55:52.600 plate of rhymes before he's done three to one. My 0:55:52.719 --> 0:55:59.440 job's done. Oh, slay them, Slay them A man you 0:55:59.480 --> 0:56:03.640 can't pull. Where are you are? You're naming? We wait? 0:56:03.760 --> 0:56:06.280 Wasn't Crazy down with the crew that did Veronica? 0:56:06.719 --> 0:56:06.759 No? 0:56:07.480 --> 0:56:11.960 You sure you're talking about Craigg from Dropping Signs, Craig G. Yes, No, 0:56:13.120 --> 0:56:16.279 from the bad Boys like Inspect the Gadget Bat. I thought, okay, 0:56:16.320 --> 0:56:18.520 I thought he was on that. Okay, okay it was 0:56:18.600 --> 0:56:22.520 mister Mac. I can't remember, but no, it wasn't Craig g. 0:56:22.760 --> 0:56:26.440 Okay, you're you're just naming like a slew of like 0:56:26.960 --> 0:56:30.360 New York MC's and crews that were on local labels that. 0:56:30.640 --> 0:56:33.520 Were just killing it had impact for like one single 0:56:33.560 --> 0:56:36.359 would never go to the never got to promise. 0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:39.759 Like Dismaster's small time Hustle, like if we if the 0:56:39.880 --> 0:56:44.080 Roots ever do their eventual cover album one day of 0:56:44.239 --> 0:56:47.799 like obscure Ship like that will be my solo joint. 0:56:47.960 --> 0:56:52.680 I think small time hustlers like the last rhyme I'm 0:56:52.760 --> 0:56:54.920 a Bike because I know no one don't know this ship. 0:56:56.719 --> 0:56:59.920 Like it was. It was just such a humorous, hell 0:57:00.080 --> 0:57:03.759 larryous song and what happened I don't know. It was 0:57:03.800 --> 0:57:06.880 about rhythm, like like after I beat him, I never 0:57:06.920 --> 0:57:09.359 saw him again. So I come off stage and miss 0:57:09.400 --> 0:57:12.719 the Magic is behind me, and he skied up and 0:57:12.800 --> 0:57:15.400 he's like, yo, white boy, give me the mic. I'm like, no, 0:57:15.480 --> 0:57:18.360 I'm about to go on. He's like, motherfucker, don't you 0:57:18.480 --> 0:57:20.960 know who I am? I'm missed the Magic. I'm like, 0:57:21.000 --> 0:57:22.800 I don't give a fuck who you are. Right now, 0:57:23.200 --> 0:57:25.680 I'm about to go on stage and they call me 0:57:25.920 --> 0:57:28.439 and the dude douses me with a thing of water. 0:57:29.280 --> 0:57:33.480 So it was red Alert was a judge. It was 0:57:34.200 --> 0:57:36.440 the dude from Utfo who I'm also deed who went 0:57:36.520 --> 0:57:42.360 to rehab, not a gangle, no, not educated rapper. And 0:57:42.520 --> 0:57:45.720 somebody George Hinehosa from raps. Oh wow, they were they 0:57:45.760 --> 0:57:49.080 were the judges. And I was battling this dude Bango 0:57:49.360 --> 0:57:52.040 who was signed to Rap Syndicate, and I'm like, you 0:57:52.120 --> 0:57:53.760 know what, I'm not even gonna worry about this dude, 0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:55.200 I said, Yo, put the beat on. I gotta tell 0:57:55.200 --> 0:57:58.280 you all the story. And then I went on a 0:57:58.400 --> 0:58:01.320 diatribe about how mister Maddie was really missed the tragic 0:58:01.760 --> 0:58:04.120 and w b LS was really w b L Fest 0:58:04.520 --> 0:58:06.680 because you couldn't get records played unless you put money 0:58:06.760 --> 0:58:09.520 under the table, and dude snorts coke and I'm going 0:58:09.560 --> 0:58:11.760 on and I'm like, yo, I would never go to BLFS. 0:58:11.800 --> 0:58:14.240 I'd rather listen to Red Alert all day, just going yee. 0:58:17.560 --> 0:58:20.000 And you didn't feel no sort of because back then, 0:58:20.280 --> 0:58:22.080 wouldn't you get bum rush for some ship? No? 0:58:22.360 --> 0:58:25.400 Not, because I had all my people with me. So 0:58:25.720 --> 0:58:28.200 again and I'm like, educated rap, I'm glad you're feeling better, 0:58:28.280 --> 0:58:31.680 and like, you know, like I just pointing everybody. Real 0:58:31.760 --> 0:58:35.920 time real time RAPS crowd goes crazy Bengo does this 0:58:36.040 --> 0:58:39.240 whole other verse about saving South Africa as something. 0:58:45.960 --> 0:58:54.480 Zama mosam peon, so let us speak so to the 0:58:54.600 --> 0:58:56.000 hundred who does that thing? 0:58:56.280 --> 0:58:59.040 So then I just take my name off the There 0:58:59.120 --> 0:59:01.600 was this big thing a fell car and I said, 0:59:01.640 --> 0:59:05.040 my name is Search. I'm about unity, not black or white. 0:59:05.040 --> 0:59:06.800 Don't want to have a hip hop community. And I'm 0:59:06.840 --> 0:59:08.200 just like going off the top of my head. And 0:59:08.360 --> 0:59:11.680 like in a crowd goes crazy crazy and I go 0:59:11.840 --> 0:59:14.400 backstage and they're about to do the voting and I 0:59:14.440 --> 0:59:16.880 feel somebody rubbing my shoulders and I turn around. It's 0:59:16.960 --> 0:59:19.680 Russell and he says, if anybody asks you, tell me 0:59:19.720 --> 0:59:20.560 you signed the Deaf Jam. 0:59:21.920 --> 0:59:22.200 Wow. 0:59:23.520 --> 0:59:26.960 And my mother and my father win the audience. Wait 0:59:27.200 --> 0:59:32.520 what club? It was the web Webster Hall, New Music Seminary, 0:59:32.760 --> 0:59:38.560 No No, No, the New Music Seminar Battle. So they 0:59:38.640 --> 0:59:40.240 came with me and I said, Mom, I think I 0:59:40.360 --> 0:59:42.200 just got a record deal, like ya da da da dah. 0:59:42.200 --> 0:59:45.440 But there were two problems to that. Problem Number one 0:59:45.680 --> 0:59:50.120 was Tony d Problem Number two was coordinating everything with 0:59:50.200 --> 0:59:53.440 Pete and getting that together because he thought I was 0:59:53.480 --> 0:59:57.800 a soloist, right, So now I have a real attorney 0:59:57.880 --> 1:00:01.120 go through the Tony d contract and there's a bubble 1:00:01.160 --> 1:00:02.920 already in the street, like, oh, search a sign and 1:00:02.960 --> 1:00:04.920 to death jam, search a sign of death Jam. So 1:00:05.080 --> 1:00:08.400 in the contract my lawyer finds it a clause that says, 1:00:08.520 --> 1:00:11.680 if you want release at the fourth year of the contract, 1:00:12.640 --> 1:00:15.440 you can at thirty days send a letter of release 1:00:15.600 --> 1:00:18.160 to a PO Box office in Brooklyn that I knew 1:00:18.400 --> 1:00:20.720 Tony never checked because that's where he sent all his bills. 1:00:21.080 --> 1:00:24.760 It was a really weird clause. It was an escape clause. 1:00:25.600 --> 1:00:28.120 Why would he provide that. I have no idea, Like 1:00:28.200 --> 1:00:30.160 I said, I think it was a boiler play contract. 1:00:30.200 --> 1:00:33.000 And he didn't even really read it. So before I 1:00:33.080 --> 1:00:36.520 started negotiating with Russell, we sent them the exit clause. 1:00:36.640 --> 1:00:38.320 I had to wait six months and I sent him 1:00:38.320 --> 1:00:39.840 the exit clause and I sent it to that PO 1:00:39.920 --> 1:00:42.600 Box office and I sent it and I was out 1:00:42.640 --> 1:00:44.720 of the contract. But when I did that, I also 1:00:47.440 --> 1:00:49.360 when I did that, and when I did that, I 1:00:49.400 --> 1:00:52.200 also relinquished all the rights to Jambrowski, all the rights 1:00:52.240 --> 1:00:56.640 to Hey Boy. And that next month Red Alert did 1:00:56.680 --> 1:00:58.920 that nine hundred thousand dollars deal with the Jungle Brothers 1:00:59.000 --> 1:01:02.040 to Warner Brothers. So I lost all that money to 1:01:02.160 --> 1:01:04.000 that deal because I was a partner in Idler, so 1:01:04.040 --> 1:01:05.560 I had to give I had to walk away from that. 1:01:06.160 --> 1:01:08.360 So they it was eight hundred and seventy five thousands. 1:01:08.800 --> 1:01:15.200 So I'm sorry that for done by the forces, done 1:01:15.240 --> 1:01:17.120 by the forces of nature. So did you always think 1:01:17.200 --> 1:01:19.280 you were going to get the money? And the first no, 1:01:19.400 --> 1:01:21.560 I knew. My lawyer told me if he if they 1:01:21.640 --> 1:01:23.560 ever went and sold the Masters, that I would never 1:01:23.640 --> 1:01:26.520 get the money because this basically relinquished me from all rights. 1:01:27.440 --> 1:01:29.000 So I knew it was just like it was a 1:01:29.120 --> 1:01:31.040 rast wash. It was a wash. So it was like 1:01:31.280 --> 1:01:34.200 freedom for a wash. You know. I looked at my 1:01:34.320 --> 1:01:37.640 career the first half of my career as these are 1:01:37.680 --> 1:01:43.560 the dues I will pay to get to blank. You know. 1:01:43.600 --> 1:01:48.120 I always thought that in the twenties you learn. At 1:01:48.200 --> 1:01:52.600 the thirties you churn, so you sift out, and then 1:01:52.720 --> 1:01:56.680 the forties you earn ye, and then sixties and then 1:01:56.720 --> 1:02:00.520 the fifties on you return, so you pay back. So 1:02:00.640 --> 1:02:02.400 that's how like I kind of always looked at my 1:02:02.480 --> 1:02:04.280 life and I always kind of because of that plan. 1:02:04.600 --> 1:02:06.400 I always said, Okay, I'm gonna be here when I'm thirty, 1:02:06.400 --> 1:02:07.920 I'm gonna be here when I'm forty. I'm gonna be 1:02:07.920 --> 1:02:10.080 here when I'm fifty. Like I always kind of try 1:02:10.120 --> 1:02:12.040 to map out my life and try to follow it. 1:02:12.640 --> 1:02:15.200 And of course it didn't always I thought it would, 1:02:15.240 --> 1:02:17.960 but it was close. Like I said, Okay, I'm gonna 1:02:18.080 --> 1:02:21.000 be an executive producer of a record in ninety four, 1:02:21.080 --> 1:02:23.120 and then you know, NOAs came out and I'm gonna 1:02:23.160 --> 1:02:26.120 sign a production deal with Warner Brothers in ninety six, 1:02:26.160 --> 1:02:27.160 and then I did nonfiction. 1:02:27.320 --> 1:02:30.080 So repeat this mantra one more time, and it's twenty 1:02:30.080 --> 1:02:33.080 as you learn in the thirties turn so you. 1:02:34.640 --> 1:02:37.760 Forties you earned in the fifties, you were returned, get back. 1:02:38.240 --> 1:02:41.120 I was just making sure no one burned or anything, right, No, 1:02:41.520 --> 1:02:45.480 no learning learning is there's there's burning and learning. Like 1:02:45.600 --> 1:02:48.200 you have to sometimes give up things to learn. Things 1:02:48.560 --> 1:02:50.880 you also have to lose to learn. Those are the 1:02:51.000 --> 1:02:54.240 valuable lessons. Like look, when the Roots got signed, you 1:02:54.320 --> 1:02:57.200 were like it was a demo of you guys playing overseas, 1:02:57.360 --> 1:02:58.520 Like it was like you know what I'm saying, Like 1:02:59.000 --> 1:03:01.080 when you did your deal with when the Goldstein, there 1:03:01.160 --> 1:03:03.120 was no even knowledge of the roots in the US. 1:03:03.760 --> 1:03:06.360 You know what I'm saying. So like whatever deal you made, 1:03:07.560 --> 1:03:10.120 that was, that was your learning period, that was your 1:03:10.200 --> 1:03:12.520 learning curve. It was and if it wasn't for those records, 1:03:12.560 --> 1:03:15.120 if it wasn't for those first two albums, you would 1:03:15.160 --> 1:03:17.720 not have established yourself the way you did. And then 1:03:17.800 --> 1:03:20.880 the rest of it was churning, so sifting through people, 1:03:21.000 --> 1:03:23.360 and thank goodness you found Richard in your life. May 1:03:23.400 --> 1:03:24.960 you rest in peace. And then you had all of that, 1:03:25.440 --> 1:03:27.840 and now is your earning period and you deserve that, 1:03:28.480 --> 1:03:30.360 and then you will return that and you you know, 1:03:30.520 --> 1:03:33.280 so I'm saying, like, that's just I'm not returning money. 1:03:35.680 --> 1:03:37.800 It's not about me. He just means return to the 1:03:38.240 --> 1:03:42.400 world where my money, to make sure you heard searched 1:03:42.440 --> 1:03:44.480 what he said. But then you will return it. We 1:03:44.600 --> 1:03:46.040 talk about this a lot on this show. 1:03:46.120 --> 1:03:48.400 So I just we have a lot of people being 1:03:48.480 --> 1:03:53.920 here is returning so anyway, but to get back. So 1:03:54.160 --> 1:03:56.560 the deaf Jam deal kind of comes through and Leore, 1:03:57.520 --> 1:04:01.080 who's now managing Rush thinks still thinks I'm a soloist. 1:04:01.560 --> 1:04:05.240 So I'm doing records on the side with Sam sever 1:04:05.400 --> 1:04:07.920 I'm doing a demo as a soloist because that's you know, 1:04:08.400 --> 1:04:10.760 Dante Ross is now involved because he's you know, my 1:04:10.840 --> 1:04:12.480 boy signed a rush, and like, you know, it's a 1:04:12.520 --> 1:04:15.680 whole different paradigm shift of who I'm dealing with. Like 1:04:16.240 --> 1:04:18.240 Lyyor knew me because he'd seen me perform with jam 1:04:18.280 --> 1:04:20.560 Master J, and jam Master JA introduced me to you know, 1:04:20.640 --> 1:04:24.080 it was just like this whole connection of this insulated 1:04:24.640 --> 1:04:27.440 people that I grew up around over the last three 1:04:27.480 --> 1:04:28.080 years in hip. 1:04:28.000 --> 1:04:30.000 Hop, I want to I wanted to ask you about man, 1:04:30.040 --> 1:04:32.120 talk about him because he was just a guy I 1:04:32.320 --> 1:04:33.840 always thought, never got the credit. 1:04:33.960 --> 1:04:37.280 You're absolutely right, You're absolutely right. Sam started his career 1:04:37.400 --> 1:04:41.440 doing beats with Mantronics, all the early sleeping bag stuff, 1:04:41.600 --> 1:04:46.520 even like Hungry for Your Love, and then Hanson and 1:04:46.600 --> 1:04:52.600 David Hung was Sam seven did the percussion, He did 1:04:52.640 --> 1:04:56.200 the beats, So wait, what was he doing for Mantronics? 1:04:56.280 --> 1:05:00.520 He was doing the beats? Is the crew? So yeah, 1:05:00.840 --> 1:05:13.520 him and him and wait a minute, so Sam his 1:05:13.640 --> 1:05:17.720 career four beats with Sam, Sam and Mantronics together. Yeah, 1:05:18.560 --> 1:05:20.720 so all of that stuff, Hungry for You Love, Joyce, 1:05:20.800 --> 1:05:25.200 Sim's Colonel and Curl and Abrams all of that, and 1:05:25.280 --> 1:05:27.640 then he did the beats for Tougher than Leather and 1:05:27.760 --> 1:05:29.920 that's how he got connected into Rush and Deaf Cham 1:05:30.560 --> 1:05:33.480 and all of that. Really. Yeah, so Dante and Sam 1:05:33.520 --> 1:05:35.520 were best friends. They used to do graffiti together. Sam 1:05:35.680 --> 1:05:38.360 used to write sever and Dante Ross used to write system, 1:05:38.800 --> 1:05:40.800 so they used to do graffiti all the time. And 1:05:40.920 --> 1:05:43.360 Dante was like, Yo, you got to hook up man, Sam. 1:05:43.440 --> 1:05:46.040 Sam will work on your demo for Deaf Jam. Right, 1:05:46.680 --> 1:05:49.200 So I'm going I'm doing these records and I'm gonna 1:05:49.240 --> 1:05:51.880 keep it one hundred with you. Like I was happy 1:05:51.960 --> 1:05:54.320 with them because I would love being in Chunk King 1:05:54.400 --> 1:05:56.520 and I love being the studio with Sam. And we 1:05:56.560 --> 1:05:58.920 would go to Sam's he I mean he lived right 1:05:58.960 --> 1:06:00.760 around the corner and Canal, Like we would be in 1:06:00.840 --> 1:06:03.720 his apartment, He'd have his sp'd have his Acai. We 1:06:03.800 --> 1:06:06.440 would demo, demo, demo, and then we go into studio 1:06:06.600 --> 1:06:09.200 and then spend twelve, fourteen to fifteen hours in the 1:06:09.240 --> 1:06:12.200 studio like sandwiches, smoke weed and stay up all night 1:06:12.280 --> 1:06:14.720 and like be in a studio and Kevin Reynolds, who 1:06:14.840 --> 1:06:17.560 was our engineer at the time. It was just fun, 1:06:18.080 --> 1:06:20.600 but there was something that was like missing for me, like, 1:06:20.640 --> 1:06:22.040 and I know you feel this and fun, I know 1:06:22.120 --> 1:06:24.360 you can relate to this. The Jews can't, but I 1:06:24.440 --> 1:06:26.840 know you can't. You know when you make a record 1:06:27.160 --> 1:06:29.360 and there's that thing in the back of your neck 1:06:29.440 --> 1:06:34.040 that's like not right, suspect, like yeah, loved it when 1:06:34.040 --> 1:06:40.280 I said it, played it back, skeptical suspect, but maybe right, 1:06:40.360 --> 1:06:43.840 and nobody will notice, but they always do. They always notice, 1:06:44.160 --> 1:06:47.560 Like that's how I felt about my demo. I'm like, eh, skeptical, 1:06:48.640 --> 1:06:53.040 little suspect topic, but as maybe I'm just being over critical. 1:06:53.720 --> 1:06:59.760 And sure enough, Leon and Russell decide that the guy 1:06:59.800 --> 1:07:02.000 who created their deal at Deaf Jamm at Columbia, guy 1:07:02.040 --> 1:07:04.520 named Steve Rabowski who went to A and M and 1:07:04.640 --> 1:07:07.360 was the president at A and M. He was looking 1:07:07.440 --> 1:07:11.200 for two soloists. There was a kid in Euston named Raheem, 1:07:11.760 --> 1:07:13.600 and there was a kid in New York named mc search, 1:07:13.880 --> 1:07:15.640 and he was gonna sign one of us. So Steve 1:07:15.720 --> 1:07:18.280 Rabowski is being lined up like Lear's like, Yo, you 1:07:18.360 --> 1:07:22.000 gotta sign this kid Search. He's incredible. So he's flying 1:07:22.040 --> 1:07:25.600 out to see me, And that same night Dante calls 1:07:25.680 --> 1:07:28.960 Sam and says, Yo, there's this dude, a friend of 1:07:29.040 --> 1:07:31.280 mine who I played ball with. He's stuck in the studio. 1:07:31.960 --> 1:07:34.160 Clark Kent was supposed to meet him. He fronted on him, 1:07:34.520 --> 1:07:37.680 He's got all this money lined into doing this demo, Like, 1:07:38.400 --> 1:07:40.160 can you, Sam, can you go over there and help them? 1:07:40.840 --> 1:07:42.600 And Sam goes to Chunk King and it turned out 1:07:42.640 --> 1:07:45.360 to be this kid named Pete Nice and Pete Nice 1:07:45.480 --> 1:07:48.320 was working on this record that he had this sample 1:07:48.360 --> 1:07:52.600 from some alternative band Okay. And the next day in 1:07:52.680 --> 1:07:56.360 the morning, Sam calls me. He's like, yo, dude, you 1:07:56.480 --> 1:07:58.760 need to come meet this dude. I'm like who. He's like, 1:07:58.800 --> 1:08:00.800 Pete Nice. I'm like, I know Pete. Like he's managed 1:08:00.840 --> 1:08:06.280 by Lamumba Carson, Like I know Pete. Yeah. So I 1:08:06.400 --> 1:08:08.880 go to Sam's house and there's Pete and they play. 1:08:09.000 --> 1:08:11.160 They're like, yo, I got this sample. It's from this 1:08:12.000 --> 1:08:15.480 band Depeche Mode. Sam's like, yo, I freaked the sample. 1:08:15.520 --> 1:08:18.000 I added the drums and I hear brown brown bam 1:08:18.080 --> 1:08:23.120 brown bam brom brown brown brown brown. Damn dun damn 1:08:23.200 --> 1:08:27.639 dawn durn damn. Don't darn hard at hard as Chinese 1:08:27.680 --> 1:08:31.320 arithmetic avant garda not a heredic stick out a ride 1:08:31.360 --> 1:08:34.439 around picking in my cranium. Pete nice elementary like uranium, 1:08:34.479 --> 1:08:39.200 and I'm just like, oh shit, I'm like, yo, I 1:08:39.280 --> 1:08:41.880 got a verse. We go back to the lab, so 1:08:41.960 --> 1:08:45.960 where's it was? No original? We go back to the lab. 1:08:46.920 --> 1:08:49.680 We go chunk king. I drop my verse literally in 1:08:49.760 --> 1:08:52.200 three takes. Then Pete does another verse and I do 1:08:52.280 --> 1:08:55.320 another verse, and in the same breath we do triple 1:08:55.360 --> 1:08:58.320 stage darkness, and we do one other record like in 1:08:58.640 --> 1:09:02.160 a matter of hours. It's like Anna arranged marriage, Like no, no, no, 1:09:02.880 --> 1:09:05.840 you know each other's last names. No, we did, We 1:09:05.960 --> 1:09:08.000 didn't know we know each other. Look, I'm gonna keep 1:09:08.000 --> 1:09:10.519 it like one hundred. Like I used to like laugh 1:09:10.600 --> 1:09:12.160 at Pete when he used to try to get in 1:09:12.160 --> 1:09:13.880 a Latin quarter, like he'd be like, yo, sir, took 1:09:13.880 --> 1:09:16.400 me up. And I'm like okay, pal, and I just 1:09:16.520 --> 1:09:19.760 keep it moving. And now here he is and he's 1:09:19.840 --> 1:09:23.439 like kind of a competitor of mine on rush and 1:09:23.560 --> 1:09:25.840 I'm like huh, you know, and I'm like, all right, 1:09:25.920 --> 1:09:28.000 let's just form a group. And Sam's like I'm gonna 1:09:28.000 --> 1:09:30.240 be the DJ and we'll be three to hard way. 1:09:30.400 --> 1:09:33.840 So prior to the recording, you and Pete, y'all knew 1:09:33.880 --> 1:09:35.720 of each other, but didn't know each other. Didn't know 1:09:35.760 --> 1:09:36.080 each other. 1:09:36.479 --> 1:09:39.120 Wow, So wait, can I ask something? Sure, you remember 1:09:39.479 --> 1:09:41.760 the first time you ever heard terminator X peak? 1:09:42.520 --> 1:09:44.680 Yeah? Yeah, And it's like. 1:09:47.160 --> 1:09:52.080 Right, because of Pete's tough exterior, Like was he really 1:09:52.200 --> 1:09:53.160 a do we even a geek? 1:09:53.439 --> 1:09:55.240 No? It wasn't that. He just had a lot of 1:09:55.680 --> 1:09:58.439 like because he played balls. He's very shorm pinish. He's 1:09:58.560 --> 1:10:01.080 very short pinish. That's a very very good way to say. 1:10:01.120 --> 1:10:03.240 He had a lot of Yeah, he had a lot 1:10:03.240 --> 1:10:06.479 of swag with m okay or a lot of flavor. Okay, 1:10:06.600 --> 1:10:09.840 a lot of flavor with him, Spunky, I felt you 1:10:10.000 --> 1:10:12.559 had the flavor and he was this really tough man. 1:10:12.760 --> 1:10:15.200 What transpired was I was like the street kid and 1:10:15.320 --> 1:10:17.280 he was like cleaned up and he had like the 1:10:17.479 --> 1:10:20.840 esoteric versus. But I always connected to the street dudes, 1:10:21.320 --> 1:10:22.680 you know what I'm saying, Like, and that's kind of 1:10:22.760 --> 1:10:24.880 how we were always perceived, Like he was in a 1:10:24.920 --> 1:10:27.280 suit and tie and in a cane, and I was 1:10:27.280 --> 1:10:31.479 always like minister. Yeah. So Steve Rabowski comes to Chunk 1:10:31.600 --> 1:10:36.360 King and me, Sam and Peter sitting there and this 1:10:36.520 --> 1:10:37.960 other dude that used to do A and R who 1:10:38.000 --> 1:10:40.200 wound up doing stuff for like Slayer. A guy named 1:10:40.240 --> 1:10:43.880 Scott Koonig is with Steve and he's like, yo, so Search, 1:10:43.960 --> 1:10:46.040 tell me about yourself and I'm like, yeah, but it's 1:10:46.080 --> 1:10:48.280 not Search anymore. It's this group called three the Hard Way. 1:10:48.360 --> 1:10:51.639 Check it out and we play him words a wisdom dumping, 1:10:51.800 --> 1:10:56.080 play him, triple stage darkness dumping, play him, prop of 1:10:56.120 --> 1:11:01.400 the environment, dump him. He's like, ah, I don't get 1:11:01.479 --> 1:11:04.880 the group thing. It's too much like the Beasties. And 1:11:04.920 --> 1:11:08.040 I'm like, wait, Beasties. Like I said, we got credibility 1:11:08.120 --> 1:11:10.960 in the street. He's like, Eh, let me think about it. 1:11:11.840 --> 1:11:14.760 So I'm like, okay, you know, go think about it. 1:11:15.040 --> 1:11:17.080 An hour later we're in the studio. An hour later, 1:11:17.800 --> 1:11:20.439 John King, who owns Chunk King, goes Leor just cut 1:11:20.520 --> 1:11:23.000 all your funding. You're all fucking kicked out of the session. 1:11:23.800 --> 1:11:25.800 You're all You're all done, get out, Get out now. 1:11:25.920 --> 1:11:30.160 I go to rush. Leor is fuming like, Yo, you 1:11:30.280 --> 1:11:34.400 had a fucking deal, you fucking cocksucker. You had a 1:11:34.560 --> 1:11:37.960 fucking deal. I gave you a fucking deal. You fucked 1:11:38.040 --> 1:11:40.519 up the deal with these two fuck cards. I don't 1:11:40.560 --> 1:11:43.040 even know who the fuck they are. And I'm like, wait, 1:11:43.200 --> 1:11:46.080 he's not signed to Rush. Fuck no, I don't know him, 1:11:46.520 --> 1:11:51.000 you fucking asshole. Get that right, Because Johntay and Sam 1:11:51.080 --> 1:11:53.400 had made it seem like Pete was also signed to Rush. 1:11:53.680 --> 1:11:56.200 He wasn't. He wasn't signed to Rush. 1:11:56.240 --> 1:11:56.839 He wasn't. 1:12:01.640 --> 1:12:05.120 Up. Sorry, so I'll never forget. My mom was like, well, 1:12:05.560 --> 1:12:08.479 I heard about this thing called hype man. Can like, peep, 1:12:08.560 --> 1:12:10.519 be your hype man and you'll be empty Search and 1:12:10.560 --> 1:12:14.720 it'll be featuring Pete Nice and you'll their knowledge. Right, 1:12:15.000 --> 1:12:17.000 I'm like, you know where a group that's It's just 1:12:17.080 --> 1:12:19.200 the way it is. And basically they kicked us to 1:12:19.240 --> 1:12:21.839 the curb. And it wasn't until that battle that Russell 1:12:22.080 --> 1:12:24.200 came back and was like, Yo, if anybody asked, you 1:12:24.240 --> 1:12:26.800 signed the Deaf Jam And that's how the circle kind 1:12:26.840 --> 1:12:31.679 of developed itself. So yeah, so when when Rust came back, 1:12:32.040 --> 1:12:34.120 that was after correct they kicked on. 1:12:40.439 --> 1:12:43.120 If you're just joining us, uh, we're chatting with mc 1:12:43.240 --> 1:12:47.040 search and his many many, many, many many tales the 1:12:47.120 --> 1:12:47.920 Great Adventures of. 1:12:47.920 --> 1:12:52.240 Em listened to get on the road. 1:12:52.320 --> 1:12:54.599 Yeah, we didn't even get to the first single all right, 1:12:55.439 --> 1:12:57.280 you kind of you kind of passed a period that 1:12:57.640 --> 1:13:00.920 every guest that's been on this show has gone through. 1:13:01.400 --> 1:13:04.679 You gotta give us a Latin Quarter story. I have thousands. 1:13:05.520 --> 1:13:08.920 Give us your best three story. The best three number 1:13:09.000 --> 1:13:13.640 one for me of all time was Scylar Rock May 1:13:13.760 --> 1:13:19.600 Rest in Peace, krs and Melle Mel. Yes, so have 1:13:19.720 --> 1:13:20.400 you heard the story? 1:13:20.479 --> 1:13:23.640 So the pushups Q tip has told this story that 1:13:23.760 --> 1:13:26.320 he was there. Okay, all right, so that's a legendary 1:13:26.360 --> 1:13:28.719 when we've heard what was Mel's role. 1:13:28.920 --> 1:13:35.280 In the Latin Quarter. Mel's role was he was the Heckler. No, 1:13:35.600 --> 1:13:38.800 not a heckler. He was like Waller. Yeah, yeah, he's 1:13:38.960 --> 1:13:42.799 the elder Statesman. You know, there was this this strange 1:13:42.920 --> 1:13:47.640 paradigm around eighty six eighty seven that was more like 1:13:48.360 --> 1:13:51.599 there was the Old Guard. So you had Pheelis Forward 1:13:51.680 --> 1:13:55.320 Problems of the World Today, and you had Mel and 1:13:55.520 --> 1:13:58.120 Graham Haster Flash, and then you had you know, you 1:13:58.240 --> 1:14:00.720 had Tela Rock, and you had all these great and 1:14:01.080 --> 1:14:03.040 you know, Treacherous three and you had all of that 1:14:03.320 --> 1:14:05.840 and then so they were still coming to the Latin Quarter. Yeah, 1:14:05.920 --> 1:14:08.080 they were all like busy Bee. For sure, Busy b 1:14:08.200 --> 1:14:09.800 would do his routines. 1:14:09.400 --> 1:14:12.960 A bomb to the Bombed one of the first hip 1:14:12.960 --> 1:14:14.280 hop club to come to Manhattan. 1:14:14.520 --> 1:14:17.160 Yes, and was that a big deal? Yes, it was 1:14:17.200 --> 1:14:20.240 a huge deal. It started with Celebrity Tuesdays. The Awesome 1:14:20.280 --> 1:14:23.599 Two would have a showcase called Celebrity Tuesdays. They had 1:14:23.640 --> 1:14:26.639 the Real like their show was like a big show 1:14:26.680 --> 1:14:28.720 in New York, their radio show. So they would have 1:14:28.880 --> 1:14:31.960 like celebrities come out. And then Paradise and Lamumba got 1:14:32.000 --> 1:14:35.720 together and started promoting Thursday, Friday and Saturday at the 1:14:35.800 --> 1:14:38.240 Latin Quarter. And basically what would happen is all the 1:14:38.320 --> 1:14:41.679 yardis would come out like they would do after hours party, 1:14:41.720 --> 1:14:44.160 I mean after work party, and then we would go in, 1:14:44.920 --> 1:14:47.439 you know what I mean. So the yardis like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, 1:14:47.880 --> 1:14:50.840 and then Fat Raoul would be DJ. Rowl would be 1:14:50.920 --> 1:14:52.640 the house DJ, and then we would come in and 1:14:52.720 --> 1:14:54.840 then it would be the hip hop night, you know 1:14:54.880 --> 1:14:55.160 what I mean. 1:14:55.439 --> 1:14:58.360 And now, now how were the owners with this or 1:14:58.479 --> 1:15:00.120 was it just like so the owners were it was 1:15:00.280 --> 1:15:02.680 like Timberland, like, ah, okay, blacks here, so we might 1:15:02.720 --> 1:15:03.160 as well just. 1:15:03.800 --> 1:15:06.479 Just fucking accept it. And so yeah, yeah, no, Mike Oldberg, 1:15:06.640 --> 1:15:09.679 it was weird because Mike Oldberg, who is still alive 1:15:09.800 --> 1:15:11.760 and still lives in the city and own the Latin 1:15:11.840 --> 1:15:14.080 Quarter from the thirties and it's funny, you want to 1:15:14.080 --> 1:15:16.240 hear them crazy my mother performed at the Latin Quarter 1:15:16.880 --> 1:15:22.920 Crazy nineteen thirty eight. So he always knew that there 1:15:23.000 --> 1:15:26.080 was this vibe in this energy around this music, and 1:15:26.240 --> 1:15:29.439 his only concern was to keep people safe and to 1:15:29.520 --> 1:15:32.080 make money, like that's all he cared about, Like he 1:15:32.120 --> 1:15:35.360 didn't want anybody getting hurt and he just wanted to 1:15:35.400 --> 1:15:38.400 get paid, like that was no. But every night, like 1:15:38.520 --> 1:15:40.839 somebody got hurt, Like every night, it was like ridiculous. 1:15:40.920 --> 1:15:44.200 So you would go there knowing because the thing I 1:15:44.240 --> 1:15:46.960 can't understand is the fact that everyone that gives a 1:15:47.040 --> 1:15:51.519 Latin Quarter story really is sort of bypassing the risk 1:15:51.640 --> 1:15:52.599 factor involved. 1:15:52.720 --> 1:15:54.920 It was incredible risk, so but you didn't really so 1:15:55.040 --> 1:15:57.840 you still felt like, oh, the energy was incredible, the 1:15:57.960 --> 1:16:02.040 injury was incredible, and Yo, there were so many great records, 1:16:02.080 --> 1:16:05.000 so many artists like Fresh Force, like they had a 1:16:05.040 --> 1:16:07.400 great record, She's a skeezer, and then all of a 1:16:07.439 --> 1:16:10.479 sudden they become kid in Play and I'm like, wow, 1:16:10.600 --> 1:16:13.360 that's that's like I remember Fresh Force, and then I 1:16:13.400 --> 1:16:15.759 would see this group that did a crazy ass record 1:16:15.800 --> 1:16:19.320 Corny called I Like Cherries because cherries taste better, and 1:16:19.479 --> 1:16:22.160 Grapes of Sour and then a year letter they're the 1:16:22.280 --> 1:16:25.519 Audio two and they do you know, top Billin and 1:16:26.080 --> 1:16:28.559 you know supernatural mcs. All of a sudden they become 1:16:28.600 --> 1:16:31.120 salt and pepper like it was all of this amalgam. 1:16:31.439 --> 1:16:34.840 Like I saw Public Enemy performed through their first show 1:16:34.880 --> 1:16:36.880 and get booed the fuck off stage. Yeah, can you 1:16:36.960 --> 1:16:40.000 describe that because no one has the definitive? Okay, so 1:16:40.120 --> 1:16:44.960 they def jam booked like an album release party for 1:16:45.120 --> 1:16:47.760 a public animals yo bummers. So yes, it was a 1:16:47.840 --> 1:16:51.160 Thursday night right, kind of half empty, a lot of 1:16:51.200 --> 1:16:54.800 industry types whatever, a lot of magazine people checking them out, 1:16:55.040 --> 1:16:57.200 and then the typical crowd that was in there, like 1:16:57.320 --> 1:17:01.880 you know fifty and Decepticons and Violators and like all 1:17:01.960 --> 1:17:04.960 the you know, five Borough kids and they come on 1:17:05.120 --> 1:17:07.200 with my nine gear o'smobile and all you hear is 1:17:07.240 --> 1:17:12.680 like boom and flavors dancing around and oh boom. I 1:17:12.760 --> 1:17:15.320 mean it was horrific. Really, it sounded terrible and they 1:17:15.400 --> 1:17:17.640 did one song and what people they did you're going 1:17:17.680 --> 1:17:20.479 to get you us? Yeah? They didn't go over wow No, 1:17:21.040 --> 1:17:23.560 And literally Russell was like pulling them off stage. And 1:17:23.640 --> 1:17:25.920 what people don't realize is the Latin Quarter stage, even 1:17:25.920 --> 1:17:29.120 though it's ten feet high, was maybe only six feet wide, 1:17:29.520 --> 1:17:31.080 so you really didn't have a lot of movements. So 1:17:31.160 --> 1:17:32.560 the s ones are trying to move around and it 1:17:32.640 --> 1:17:35.680 was just it was just it was not good. And 1:17:35.760 --> 1:17:42.000 then a year later so there really and it became 1:17:42.120 --> 1:17:45.040 literally like that became the song, Like what was the 1:17:45.160 --> 1:17:47.920 song that you had the rhythm of the rebel without 1:17:47.960 --> 1:17:55.120 a pause? I'm that was the club though. That was 1:17:55.840 --> 1:17:59.599 Tuck your Chain. B For about three months that record 1:17:59.680 --> 1:18:02.680 came on. Then you just danced your ass off touching chaining. No, 1:18:02.920 --> 1:18:05.920 you just danced your ass off, and that record became 1:18:05.960 --> 1:18:08.040 the biggest record in New York and the hypeist record 1:18:08.120 --> 1:18:10.000 in New York. And month four it was tuck your 1:18:10.080 --> 1:18:12.080 chain and get off the fucking dance floor. And the 1:18:12.200 --> 1:18:14.759 kids who were Nujacks to Latin Quarter, they got robbed 1:18:14.920 --> 1:18:17.560 because all the other kids I owe you dances and 1:18:17.600 --> 1:18:19.600 all that. We were already on the side. We were 1:18:19.720 --> 1:18:22.439 just watching the girls violated like they would just be 1:18:22.560 --> 1:18:31.200 like pip off. Yeah, that became that became the record 1:18:31.240 --> 1:18:33.719 that like you just that you knew there was also 1:18:34.080 --> 1:18:39.840 ultra magnetic mcs. Here we go off the off the floor, 1:18:40.200 --> 1:18:47.519 off the floor. So when you hear these gunshots not 1:18:52.600 --> 1:18:53.280 gunshots of. 1:18:58.320 --> 1:19:00.559 Oh my god, sirs, you got so many Disney moments. 1:19:00.600 --> 1:19:03.320 Lord, having see in my mind Rebel without a pause 1:19:03.479 --> 1:19:05.479 was like like you were too young? How old were 1:19:05.520 --> 1:19:06.519 you in nineteen eighty seven? 1:19:06.640 --> 1:19:06.800 Eight? 1:19:08.080 --> 1:19:10.160 So I mean you might did you order did you 1:19:10.560 --> 1:19:13.439 took it down economics? Like, yeah, I had got I 1:19:13.520 --> 1:19:16.360 had bone Rusher show. My aunt at the time. I 1:19:16.400 --> 1:19:19.360 guess she was like, no, no, no, no, it wasn't her. 1:19:19.439 --> 1:19:23.400 My aunt was straight like black yuppie Phillis Timond like. 1:19:25.080 --> 1:19:30.280 She was record oh man straight, go Huggins baby, So 1:19:31.240 --> 1:19:33.479 yeah she was that. But my aunt she had I 1:19:33.520 --> 1:19:35.200 guess it was a guy she was dating at the time. 1:19:35.720 --> 1:19:38.080 He had the Public Enemy tape and she had it 1:19:38.240 --> 1:19:40.080 in her She had a little box she would take 1:19:40.080 --> 1:19:42.000 the t school. She was a school teacher, and so 1:19:42.200 --> 1:19:44.160 she had a little radio that she would take to 1:19:44.360 --> 1:19:46.640 school with her. And I'm shattered in the trunk and 1:19:47.160 --> 1:19:48.800 there was a copy of Nation of millions in the 1:19:49.000 --> 1:19:50.920 in the radio and I just played it and I 1:19:51.040 --> 1:19:52.160 was like, what the fuck is this? 1:19:52.320 --> 1:19:54.080 And I just played it over and over and over. 1:19:54.560 --> 1:19:57.200 Nation of Millions was really a year after like Yo 1:19:57.520 --> 1:20:01.200 Russia show correcked, But people did a rewind because as 1:20:01.240 --> 1:20:03.559 soon as Rebel came out and Nations came out, all 1:20:03.560 --> 1:20:05.479 of a sudden, Yo comes out and I mean they 1:20:05.560 --> 1:20:07.120 come back to it and it's like, oh, oh is 1:20:07.240 --> 1:20:10.720 Jenius right right? This is crap, right, this is how 1:20:10.760 --> 1:20:14.120 did we sleep on this? So it was really one 1:20:14.160 --> 1:20:16.519 of these things where the Latin Quarter was really about 1:20:17.439 --> 1:20:20.280 the true energy of New York. So it was about 1:20:20.560 --> 1:20:25.040 music getting broke. It was literally the information super Highway 1:20:25.479 --> 1:20:28.360 because the five boroughs went in that building, even Connecticut, 1:20:28.880 --> 1:20:30.960 even some kids from like Rhode Island every once in 1:20:31.040 --> 1:20:33.840 a while, kids from Philly and DC, like you know 1:20:33.840 --> 1:20:36.200 what I mean. Like it was so if you ripped 1:20:36.720 --> 1:20:40.360 on that stage, within two days, everybody knew you would 1:20:40.360 --> 1:20:42.080 get a call from me, like your untie and like 1:20:42.200 --> 1:20:45.120 Allentown and like my aunt Caroll would call me and go, 1:20:45.439 --> 1:20:47.240 I heard you had a good show at the Latin 1:20:47.360 --> 1:20:49.920 Quarter the other night. My student bleaz A Spleet I 1:20:50.000 --> 1:20:53.080 mean it was like the Information super Highway. So it 1:20:53.240 --> 1:20:56.559 was really like the center. The nucleus of New York 1:20:56.760 --> 1:20:59.960 music for four years was the Latin Quarter. And then 1:21:00.080 --> 1:21:02.920 were offshoots, like you know, you had the rooftop on 1:21:02.960 --> 1:21:05.160 one hundred and fifty fifth like that was cool, and 1:21:05.240 --> 1:21:08.320 you had Union Square and that was cool, you know, 1:21:08.400 --> 1:21:10.400 and you had little things like that, like you Square 1:21:10.560 --> 1:21:12.479 was a club. Union Square, was it? No one ever 1:21:12.560 --> 1:21:16.000 talked about Union Square? Yeah, right right? 1:21:16.479 --> 1:21:16.519 No. 1:21:16.760 --> 1:21:19.280 Union Square had had a really cool vibe. Clark Kent 1:21:19.439 --> 1:21:24.599 was the DJ, the first Fresh Prince Jazz Jeff, Yeah, 1:21:24.600 --> 1:21:27.800 and that was that was the first time I ever 1:21:27.840 --> 1:21:30.760 saw Jazz Jeff do the Bluebird scratch? Right was that 1:21:31.160 --> 1:21:34.799 at Union Square? Wow? In fact, I have a signed 1:21:35.560 --> 1:21:39.720 Fresh Prince Jazzy Jeff record from Pop Art Parents man 1:21:40.320 --> 1:21:43.479 really yeah, Jesus before they signed to Jive and all 1:21:43.520 --> 1:21:47.080 of that. So there were definitely pockets, but then there 1:21:47.120 --> 1:21:51.160 were underground pockets. So you had the world downtown and 1:21:51.320 --> 1:21:53.639 like Iced Tea and Ron Syndicate, like that's where Ice 1:21:53.680 --> 1:21:55.640 Tea got to start in New York with six in 1:21:55.720 --> 1:21:58.040 the morning like that that popped off in the world 1:21:58.720 --> 1:22:00.320 like that was and Russell would be a the world 1:22:00.360 --> 1:22:01.840 and then you'd go at four o'clock in the morning 1:22:01.920 --> 1:22:04.360 to save the robot across the street and then save 1:22:04.439 --> 1:22:08.240 the robot was like underground reggae and like really dark, 1:22:08.360 --> 1:22:11.920 deep dark like rap records like JVC Force Strong Island, 1:22:12.040 --> 1:22:13.360 like you would hear it there, like you know what 1:22:13.360 --> 1:22:15.679 I mean. Or you would go uptown to the SNS 1:22:16.000 --> 1:22:18.479 one hundred and forty fifth in Lenox and Star Child 1:22:18.479 --> 1:22:20.880 would be in there and he'd be playing like unreleased shit, 1:22:21.200 --> 1:22:23.000 you know what I mean. And you'd be eating breakfast 1:22:23.040 --> 1:22:25.360 at like eleven o'clock in the morning after partying all 1:22:25.479 --> 1:22:28.479 night and dude shooting dice and like you'd leave it 1:22:28.600 --> 1:22:31.160 like twelve noon, you know what I'm saying, like, and 1:22:31.240 --> 1:22:34.240 you would be you. And that was the rotation. That 1:22:34.400 --> 1:22:37.000 was a rotation four years Like that was the rotation. 1:22:37.560 --> 1:22:41.320 Eleven eleven two or ten two one at the Latin Quarter, 1:22:41.840 --> 1:22:45.160 one to two at Union Square, two to three thirty 1:22:45.280 --> 1:22:47.560 at the Rooftop, three thirty to eight thirty in the 1:22:47.680 --> 1:22:50.519 morning at SNS, you go get breakfast and then you'd 1:22:50.560 --> 1:22:50.920 head home. 1:22:51.560 --> 1:22:54.680 Okay, so I'm gonna take this time. I see how 1:22:54.720 --> 1:22:55.719 cocaine got popular. 1:22:56.160 --> 1:22:58.000 Yeah right, I'm tireless. 1:22:58.400 --> 1:23:03.040 I'm gonna take this time to segue into what I 1:23:03.120 --> 1:23:08.439 feel is your greatest story of all time. Because I 1:23:08.680 --> 1:23:14.400 was shocked that he gave a performance at the Latin Quarter. 1:23:14.680 --> 1:23:16.719 But now that I think about it, at least according 1:23:16.800 --> 1:23:24.000 to at least according to Dante, Now am I to 1:23:24.120 --> 1:23:29.400 believed that Hammer performed at the Latin Quarter and it 1:23:29.560 --> 1:23:32.439 wasn't too novel or I get the film that Hammer 1:23:32.479 --> 1:23:35.080 did the new Music seminar and it didn't go over. 1:23:35.160 --> 1:23:37.800 Well, that's correct, but it wasn't the Latin Quarter. It was. 1:23:37.960 --> 1:23:44.360 It wasn't Latin Quarter. It was I don't I don't remember, 1:23:44.360 --> 1:23:46.280 but it wasn't Latin Quarter. But here's the thing with Hammer. 1:23:46.439 --> 1:23:48.840 So and I'll get to that too. So I used 1:23:48.840 --> 1:23:51.439 to go on the road. I was basically Houdini's valet. 1:23:52.040 --> 1:23:54.080 I used to like iron their clothes, and like I 1:23:54.200 --> 1:23:56.200 used to have like a list of girls that like 1:23:56.600 --> 1:23:59.320 in San Francisco, this girl can't meet this girl, and 1:23:59.360 --> 1:24:02.040 Grandmaster he has this girl over here, and ecstasy and 1:24:02.400 --> 1:24:04.320 like you know, like I used to you know all 1:24:04.360 --> 1:24:07.200 of that. So they take me out to a celebrity 1:24:07.240 --> 1:24:09.679 basketball game and there's this new rapper in Oakland named 1:24:09.680 --> 1:24:12.400 Hammer who's doing this thing right, and all my boys 1:24:12.439 --> 1:24:14.160 are telling me, yo, you should battle him. He thinks 1:24:14.200 --> 1:24:15.960 he can dance, like you should battle him. You should 1:24:15.960 --> 1:24:18.960 battle him, right. So he pulls up in this white 1:24:19.040 --> 1:24:21.760 Cadillac and I'm like, yo, man, let's battle. He's like, 1:24:21.800 --> 1:24:23.960 who the fuck is that's how you say hello? Yeah, 1:24:24.280 --> 1:24:26.920 that's exactly how Like I'm just balls in New Yorker 1:24:27.200 --> 1:24:29.439 like fuck you. I don't care where you're from. I'm 1:24:29.439 --> 1:24:31.680 from New York and what. So I'm like, yo, I 1:24:31.760 --> 1:24:34.640 heard you could dance. Let's battle and he's like fuck you. 1:24:35.960 --> 1:24:39.240 I'm like, fuck me, b come on, come out the call, 1:24:39.320 --> 1:24:42.560 let's battle, right. He takes off. I'm like, ah, that 1:24:42.680 --> 1:24:48.439 kid's a pussy like whatever, right right, So we segue 1:24:49.160 --> 1:24:52.160 into like the new Music seminar. He gets booed like 1:24:52.280 --> 1:24:54.280 it's not gonna happen for him. Ya da da da da, 1:24:54.600 --> 1:24:57.640 and then he does that hole, yo, you hit New York, right, 1:24:57.840 --> 1:25:00.080 And then that's a disc to run DMC. What just 1:25:00.160 --> 1:25:03.880 don't do it's sacriligious, it's just you don't And the Beginning. 1:25:05.400 --> 1:25:08.160 Music Center, No, they didn't. Some new just saw new 1:25:08.240 --> 1:25:11.240 York was New York, wasn't trying to hear him, okay, 1:25:11.280 --> 1:25:13.320 and that was a particular disc to run. 1:25:14.080 --> 1:25:17.040 Well, that's that's that's what we all felt. We all 1:25:17.080 --> 1:25:19.120 felt that way, whether that's in the video was like 1:25:19.479 --> 1:25:24.840 the extras that he's this right, are dressed like exactly right. 1:25:25.040 --> 1:25:27.200 But they didn't dis in per se. No, they didn't 1:25:27.240 --> 1:25:30.519 say he never said f run DMC and Master Jay. 1:25:30.840 --> 1:25:32.240 It just happened to be that they were in a 1:25:32.320 --> 1:25:34.200 dida suits with hats on, looking real. 1:25:36.240 --> 1:25:40.639 So on on a quiminized chunky fire when they played 1:25:40.760 --> 1:25:43.040 that Source clip at the end with you, we just 1:25:43.080 --> 1:25:44.559 want to say the South got something to say. 1:25:45.560 --> 1:25:46.400 I kind of had. 1:25:46.560 --> 1:25:49.160 I kind of got Big Boy to admit a little 1:25:49.200 --> 1:25:52.000 bit that they felt some sort of way about all 1:25:52.080 --> 1:25:55.519 East Coast rappers because we really weren't yelling with outcasts all. 1:25:55.439 --> 1:25:56.719 That much in the beginning. 1:25:57.479 --> 1:25:59.280 No, I mean, we're cool shit now, but like in 1:25:59.320 --> 1:26:01.200 the beginning, they had a chip on his shoulders because 1:26:01.200 --> 1:26:05.200 they just assumed that anyone who was at the Source 1:26:05.240 --> 1:26:08.479 Awards booing them as they got best new artists was 1:26:08.600 --> 1:26:09.200 like a part of it. 1:26:09.280 --> 1:26:12.320 So obviously you're with there, so you know, like right, 1:26:12.479 --> 1:26:15.280 so you know this is like a general blanket thing. 1:26:15.360 --> 1:26:18.360 So now just and for me, for jam Master j 1:26:18.560 --> 1:26:20.920 to be the one in that room in that basement 1:26:21.080 --> 1:26:24.600 in Cgate in nineteen eighty five to co sign me 1:26:24.720 --> 1:26:26.559 and tell me like, yo, meet us at the bus 1:26:27.000 --> 1:26:29.360 outside of Hollis Ave and like get on the bus 1:26:29.439 --> 1:26:31.720 with Rounnie Ray and all of us and open with 1:26:31.840 --> 1:26:34.519 Davy DMX and do what you do and him giving 1:26:34.560 --> 1:26:37.160 me like great advice on how to rhyme and ron 1:26:37.280 --> 1:26:40.519 flowing and hanging out with Joey and DMC and just 1:26:40.720 --> 1:26:43.360 and being a part of that. Like my biggest mistake 1:26:43.520 --> 1:26:45.439 is I loved hip hop so much I felt I 1:26:45.520 --> 1:26:47.880 had to protect it at all costs. Like I really 1:26:47.960 --> 1:26:51.679 thought it was my job savior. No, not the same captain. 1:26:54.600 --> 1:26:57.280 I felt like I was the night at the roundtable 1:26:57.360 --> 1:27:00.200 who was the defender of the culture because it had 1:27:00.280 --> 1:27:02.840 given me so much, like it had given me, the 1:27:02.880 --> 1:27:04.840 streets had given me so much, The Quarter gave me 1:27:04.920 --> 1:27:07.160 so much. Like there were so many times that fifty 1:27:07.280 --> 1:27:09.280 was like your search back out, We're about to stick 1:27:09.320 --> 1:27:11.639 this whole place up, like get out, Like these dudes 1:27:11.680 --> 1:27:14.240 were looking out for me. So it's like this motherfucker 1:27:14.320 --> 1:27:17.599 from Oakland, the fuck you doing? You're whack. Your ship 1:27:17.760 --> 1:27:21.200 is whack. Period. It wasn't like, you know, f you 1:27:21.320 --> 1:27:24.040 as a human being, but it was like, you're a 1:27:24.120 --> 1:27:25.400 whack MC, You're whack. 1:27:25.560 --> 1:27:28.080 I think you're the first person I ever heard call 1:27:28.160 --> 1:27:30.080 out someone's credibility. 1:27:30.320 --> 1:27:33.439 I mean not in terms of like L and coolmo 1:27:33.520 --> 1:27:37.040 D going into each other or saying you whack like 1:27:37.160 --> 1:27:39.360 you yeah to me. 1:27:39.560 --> 1:27:41.679 Yeah, And like when I saw the gas Face video, 1:27:41.720 --> 1:27:44.920 I was like, wow, they're they're really defending hard, Like. 1:27:45.720 --> 1:27:48.000 Yeah, it was Austin jam Master Jay with the hammer 1:27:48.080 --> 1:27:49.960 and we had the two big MC lookalike grab the 1:27:50.000 --> 1:27:51.640 hammer and we kicked him in his ass and like, 1:27:52.080 --> 1:27:55.200 you know, so the real the beef really came about 1:27:55.360 --> 1:28:00.519 a line on Cactus, Yes, where we based. But here's 1:28:00.560 --> 1:28:03.600 the thing and again, like people who knew us, we 1:28:03.680 --> 1:28:07.080 would never dis somebody's mom. It was wordlay yeah, because 1:28:07.320 --> 1:28:09.880 we're album. Our album was much better than Turn His 1:28:10.000 --> 1:28:13.000 Mother Out. Cactus Turned ham his Mother Out is like 1:28:13.080 --> 1:28:15.759 a that's a known fact, Like your shit is whack 1:28:15.800 --> 1:28:18.639 compared to the Cactus. Nobody's checking for your shit. Twenty 1:28:18.720 --> 1:28:22.240 five years later, my shit is still bumping and that's unfortunately, 1:28:22.360 --> 1:28:25.479 but that's how I feel today as almost a fifty 1:28:25.560 --> 1:28:27.519 year old man, Like I'm still like, Yo, your shit 1:28:27.640 --> 1:28:30.080 is whack, you know what I mean. So I took 1:28:30.120 --> 1:28:31.880 it on my shoulder like I was like, I have 1:28:32.080 --> 1:28:35.400 to protect this, like I have to. So we're getting 1:28:35.439 --> 1:28:39.000 ready to come out to LA and we're doing a 1:28:39.040 --> 1:28:41.920 whole week of promotion like that Cactus is doing real well. 1:28:42.400 --> 1:28:45.120 We're doing a Product of the Environment Jeep giveaway a Kday. 1:28:45.520 --> 1:28:47.400 You're like, there's all this cool shit. I've never been 1:28:47.479 --> 1:28:50.000 to LA before. So I got chantel with me. Peek 1:28:50.080 --> 1:28:53.160 out his girl Rock saying Daddy Rich got his girl Mone. 1:28:53.320 --> 1:28:56.280 We're like, we're all all excited. We're getting to JFK. 1:28:56.760 --> 1:28:59.840 We're getting ready to go on a plane and there's 1:28:59.840 --> 1:29:02.519 a call that comes into Carmen Ashhurst Watson, who is 1:29:02.560 --> 1:29:05.559 at then the president of Deaf Chain, and we believe 1:29:05.600 --> 1:29:08.960 it was Louis Barrell Hama's brother, and he says, YO 1:29:09.120 --> 1:29:11.280 is third base still coming to LA And she goes, yeah, why, 1:29:11.320 --> 1:29:13.200 He goes good, They're dead and hangs up the phone. 1:29:13.760 --> 1:29:17.560 So she's like, hmm, that's kind of weird. Like so 1:29:17.880 --> 1:29:20.479 she calls Russell and like, Russell, I think there might 1:29:20.520 --> 1:29:22.600 be a problem with third base, Like I think they 1:29:22.680 --> 1:29:26.240 might be in danger. So Russell does what he does. 1:29:26.360 --> 1:29:28.840 He reaches out to the person who's closest to the street, 1:29:28.840 --> 1:29:31.720 which is Eric B and he calls Eric Barrier and 1:29:32.000 --> 1:29:33.559 he's like, Yo, Eric, can you find out if there's 1:29:33.600 --> 1:29:37.960 something going on about third base in LA. Within twenty 1:29:38.040 --> 1:29:41.040 minutes he gets calls Russell back and he's like, yeah, 1:29:41.120 --> 1:29:43.080 there's a hit. There's a hit out on third base. 1:29:44.479 --> 1:29:48.960 So Russell says to Eric, like, no, Eric, Eric, Well, Eric, 1:29:49.000 --> 1:29:51.920 he is always like Eric, He's always been connected. So 1:29:52.240 --> 1:29:54.599 me and Eric were tight like and then something happened. 1:29:54.600 --> 1:29:57.439 I don't know, Oh no, I know it happened. Let 1:29:57.479 --> 1:29:59.920 me tell the story real quick. I'm signed to Rush. 1:30:00.360 --> 1:30:02.760 Third Base album is about to come out. We got 1:30:02.800 --> 1:30:05.280 about three or four songs to do. Lew York calls 1:30:05.320 --> 1:30:07.760 me out of the blue and says, hey, we got 1:30:07.800 --> 1:30:09.800 a problem with Rock Kim. He's got writer's block. I 1:30:09.880 --> 1:30:13.040 need you to write a song for rock him. And 1:30:13.120 --> 1:30:14.880 I'm like, and just so you know, rock Kim's my 1:30:14.920 --> 1:30:17.479 favorite MC of all time, and I ain't no joke 1:30:17.920 --> 1:30:20.599 to me barnunn is the perfect rap record ever made, 1:30:21.040 --> 1:30:25.719 just period. So I was like honored. I was like flattered, 1:30:26.160 --> 1:30:30.000 Like you're gonna ask me like a white devil to 1:30:32.240 --> 1:30:35.000 I'm gonna write to God MC a verse. Yeah, I'm 1:30:35.000 --> 1:30:37.880 gonna write him a verse. I'm gonna write a beast. 1:30:38.560 --> 1:30:40.040 So me and Pete come to my parents' house and 1:30:40.080 --> 1:30:42.240 we're like, what would what would he say? What would? 1:30:42.920 --> 1:30:45.080 So I get into rock kim mode. I'm thinking about, 1:30:45.200 --> 1:30:47.760 like you know, payt in full, and I'm thinking about 1:30:47.760 --> 1:30:49.840 all of this, and all of a sudden, I write 1:30:49.920 --> 1:30:53.760 Ready in the intro cute the searchlight, Eric's to the 1:30:53.800 --> 1:30:56.439 Senate stage. I grab the first mic, projecting the voice 1:30:56.479 --> 1:30:58.760 with dis mike. Then I'm cuffing you ain't my knuckle 1:30:58.960 --> 1:31:01.760 something snuffing the word of rock him stands true to 1:31:01.880 --> 1:31:04.639 no pannikin man verse. Man you freeze a black mannequin 1:31:04.960 --> 1:31:09.559 could be a rock whoa to dwell upon the step 1:31:09.680 --> 1:31:11.519 in on the trigger has a tomb smash. I could 1:31:11.640 --> 1:31:14.439 where be gave me the cue, So I'm gonna put up, 1:31:14.479 --> 1:31:16.880 shut up too, my gems through. So now I want 1:31:16.920 --> 1:31:19.360 to freak. And That's how I'm hearing rock Kim's voice 1:31:19.360 --> 1:31:21.200 in my head and I'm hearing him saying, now I 1:31:21.280 --> 1:31:24.080 want to freak them. So I'll embarked sparky mission posse 1:31:24.240 --> 1:31:26.840 the way pass dark, I'm park there's no standard. I'll 1:31:26.880 --> 1:31:29.160 plead the five. Oh you don't stop moving until rock 1:31:29.200 --> 1:31:31.680 Kemp says, so to keep trop hoping shooting out to 1:31:31.720 --> 1:31:33.599 play him. Me and Eric be a keep a stepping 1:31:33.680 --> 1:31:36.639 to the am. Write the whole ship in fifteen minutes. 1:31:40.880 --> 1:31:42.960 So I write the whole record in thirty minutes. I 1:31:43.080 --> 1:31:46.000 go next day to Leor. He's like, yo, I'm gonna 1:31:46.040 --> 1:31:49.000 call Eric, and I'm amped. I'm excited. And when Eric 1:31:49.040 --> 1:31:53.920 picks up the phone and Leor goes Eric, I had 1:31:54.080 --> 1:31:58.759 such right a verse the rock him, I hear silent, 1:31:59.880 --> 1:32:05.519 and I get shook, and then I go, so, Eric, 1:32:06.120 --> 1:32:08.120 this is the record I wrote. Call step into the 1:32:08.200 --> 1:32:16.200 am click, and then Denise at the front desk goes Leor. 1:32:17.080 --> 1:32:19.000 Eric b's online too. He wants to talk to you 1:32:19.120 --> 1:32:26.960 by yourself. So I'm shook. Now I'm really shook, like 1:32:27.000 --> 1:32:28.519 I don't know what I just did. Like I don't 1:32:28.560 --> 1:32:30.880 know what I just did. All I was trying to 1:32:30.920 --> 1:32:32.439 do is help, Like oh, it's all I was trying 1:32:32.479 --> 1:32:39.000 to do. They called you. Yeah, so I'm told by Simone, 1:32:39.160 --> 1:32:42.040 who at the time was the assistant for Russell and Leor. 1:32:42.760 --> 1:32:44.960 Leor doesn't want you to move until he tells you 1:32:45.640 --> 1:32:48.439 stay here and wait. That's all I get a message 1:32:48.479 --> 1:32:52.680 for and I signed that office for five hours. At 1:32:52.760 --> 1:32:56.280 six point thirty, Leor called me upstairs and he goes, 1:32:57.160 --> 1:32:59.120 why didn't you tell me you had beef with Eric B? 1:33:00.479 --> 1:33:03.240 I said, I said, Leora, I don't have beef with 1:33:03.400 --> 1:33:07.439 Eric B. He's like, educates you. He doesn't know why 1:33:07.520 --> 1:33:09.400 he would you would think about writing a record for 1:33:09.560 --> 1:33:12.000 Rock Kim. He's fucking furious I almost lost him as 1:33:12.040 --> 1:33:13.960 a client and bla, He's going off on me. And 1:33:13.960 --> 1:33:16.360 I'm like, yo, I said, Leora, I had no idea, 1:33:16.479 --> 1:33:18.760 Like I didn't know. Like I started telling him the 1:33:18.800 --> 1:33:24.920 wine Dance story. He's like, search, fix yourself, get the 1:33:25.080 --> 1:33:30.840 fuck out in my office. So fast forward. Eric Bee 1:33:30.880 --> 1:33:36.960 finds out there's this hit on third base. Russell says, no, 1:33:37.200 --> 1:33:38.920 I don't know what. To this day, I still know 1:33:38.960 --> 1:33:40.800 what the beef I don't know to be, but all 1:33:40.880 --> 1:33:44.600 I know is Eric's reaction and telling Rock Kim that 1:33:45.360 --> 1:33:47.800 rock Kim took two weeks to finish follow the leader, 1:33:48.479 --> 1:33:51.439 So I don't know if there's a connection there, but whatever, 1:33:52.080 --> 1:33:56.200 like whatever happened between Eric and Ra, like Ra either 1:33:56.240 --> 1:33:57.720 got over his right. And I'm not saying I had 1:33:57.720 --> 1:33:59.760 anything to do with it. I'm just saying, like what 1:34:00.280 --> 1:34:03.280 happened with Eric and his conversation with rock Kim, rock 1:34:03.360 --> 1:34:06.680 Kim was motivated to finish follow the leadership. So Eric 1:34:06.840 --> 1:34:09.120 never stepped to me like we never had a problem. 1:34:09.200 --> 1:34:11.639 But I will tell you that I had a problem 1:34:11.680 --> 1:34:13.400 with rock Kim the same week with Hammer, and I'll 1:34:13.439 --> 1:34:18.040 tell that story too. So Eric finds out there's a hit, 1:34:18.640 --> 1:34:21.439 and Russell says to them, well, yo, can you do 1:34:21.560 --> 1:34:24.240 something about it? And Eric says not, let it happen 1:34:24.320 --> 1:34:28.960 and hangs up the phone right now, let it happen. 1:34:29.400 --> 1:34:31.639 So Russell calls him back this and again I'm hearing 1:34:31.720 --> 1:34:34.720 this secondhand from Russell and Carmen, right, you know. But 1:34:34.960 --> 1:34:36.280 they call him back and they say, well, can you 1:34:36.320 --> 1:34:39.040 tell us who we need to talk to, and Eric says, yeah, 1:34:39.040 --> 1:34:43.200 this guy my Conception. So they call my Conception and 1:34:43.320 --> 1:34:47.040 they say, Mike, we hear there's a problem, you know 1:34:47.160 --> 1:34:49.320 with third base. He goes, yeah, you know, we got 1:34:49.439 --> 1:34:50.960 to take care of those kids. I'm sorry, it's just 1:34:51.120 --> 1:34:53.280 it's the way it is. And Russell's like, I can't. 1:34:53.720 --> 1:34:55.920 That can't happen. He's like, well, I'll tell you what, 1:34:56.520 --> 1:34:59.160 because you're Russell Simmons, We'll just hurt them from the 1:34:59.200 --> 1:35:01.160 waist down so they still do television. 1:35:04.439 --> 1:35:05.360 What does that even mean? 1:35:05.640 --> 1:35:07.160 It means that he was gonna put us in power, 1:35:07.920 --> 1:35:11.200 put us in chairs. So Russell's like, that can't happen either. 1:35:11.280 --> 1:35:14.800 How do we stop this whole thing? And my conception says, okay, 1:35:14.840 --> 1:35:16.639 there's two ways that we can stop it. He goes, 1:35:16.720 --> 1:35:18.640 because you know, there's like fifty thousand members of the 1:35:18.680 --> 1:35:21.120 Crips that already know about the hit. And ya da 1:35:21.200 --> 1:35:23.400 da da dad. He's like, so there's two ways that 1:35:23.479 --> 1:35:25.880 this can happen. He said, I'm having a hard time 1:35:25.920 --> 1:35:28.240 getting a distribution deal for a record that I'm trying 1:35:28.280 --> 1:35:31.000 to do about Peace Gang Piece, Cold War in the 1:35:31.080 --> 1:35:34.080 same gang. He's like, if you can help me get distribution, 1:35:34.360 --> 1:35:37.160 irony right right, If you're can help me get distribution, 1:35:37.280 --> 1:35:40.120 that would be A and B. Tomorrow night's the American 1:35:40.160 --> 1:35:42.040 Music Awards. I want to sit next to Michael Jackson 1:35:42.080 --> 1:35:45.080 tomorrow night. So this is yaterday. I have twenty four 1:35:45.120 --> 1:35:47.840 hours to make designs, right. So they called Donnie Einer 1:35:48.080 --> 1:35:52.280 and Tommy Mottola and they basically say, Yo, Donnie, I 1:35:52.320 --> 1:35:54.240 need your tickets for the American Music Wards. Don't ask 1:35:54.320 --> 1:35:56.360 me why. This is some street shit. I need your tickets. 1:35:57.320 --> 1:35:59.280 And Donnie's like, I'm sitting next to Michael Jackson, like 1:35:59.320 --> 1:36:01.639 he's gonna be about to be the most celebrated artist 1:36:01.680 --> 1:36:04.280 of the decade. He's like, you don't understand. We got 1:36:04.320 --> 1:36:06.200 a guy in a wheelchair who's gonna need to sit 1:36:06.280 --> 1:36:10.439 next to Michael Jackson. And sure enough, nineteen ninety American Music. 1:36:10.520 --> 1:36:12.840 I watched it last night. He's sitting right next, right 1:36:13.280 --> 1:36:14.240 right next to Michael Jackson. 1:36:14.840 --> 1:36:20.920 So we're in the air like la, yeah, not knowing, 1:36:21.240 --> 1:36:27.000 not knowing shit, not knowing shit, your women and we touched. 1:36:26.760 --> 1:36:28.519 Down and I got my girl and I'm hugging up 1:36:28.520 --> 1:36:30.320 on shit, say, oh my god, we're in LA. It's 1:36:30.320 --> 1:36:32.800 gonna be great. Ya da da da da. We come 1:36:32.840 --> 1:36:34.840 out the gate and this is not back. This is 1:36:35.160 --> 1:36:38.080 pre nine eleven, right, and you're smoking cigarettes in the 1:36:38.120 --> 1:36:41.040 front end of the gate like you know nothing. We 1:36:41.200 --> 1:36:43.519 come out the gate. It's all of us stock together 1:36:43.680 --> 1:36:47.559 all of a sudden. Ten dudes put a black tarp 1:36:47.720 --> 1:36:51.200 over our head. No no, and they go move, Move, Move, 1:36:51.320 --> 1:36:53.840 everybody out of the way. Move, Move, Move. Put your 1:36:53.880 --> 1:36:56.200 head down, third base, put your head down. Everybody put 1:36:56.240 --> 1:36:59.080 your head down. Move, move, move, And I'm bent over 1:36:59.760 --> 1:37:01.760 and I can see Pete next to me bent over, 1:37:02.360 --> 1:37:05.240 and I look over to him and I go, oh 1:37:05.360 --> 1:37:07.720 my god, We're bigger than the Beatles. 1:37:10.960 --> 1:37:11.120 Thing. 1:37:12.080 --> 1:37:14.800 And they move us into this armor plated dan and 1:37:14.920 --> 1:37:17.360 keep your heads down, keep your heads down. And I'm like, 1:37:17.439 --> 1:37:21.280 oh my god, I'm killing it. We're killing it. We're 1:37:21.320 --> 1:37:25.400 not killing yo. We are huge, Like I didn't know 1:37:25.479 --> 1:37:29.360 where this huge, fucking huge. And they pull up into 1:37:29.360 --> 1:37:33.800 the Hollywood arm fresh and everything. Yeah, we were all 1:37:33.920 --> 1:37:37.720 kind of were. No nobody explained ship, did you go 1:37:37.800 --> 1:37:39.920 to a baggage claim or anything? They picked up all 1:37:40.040 --> 1:37:43.800 us ship everything, they had a guy picking up. Oh. 1:37:43.960 --> 1:37:46.680 We go to the Hollywood Hiat. They take us to 1:37:46.800 --> 1:37:49.160 the top floor, I mean top floor where little Richard 1:37:49.200 --> 1:37:51.519 had his condo right right that we take it and 1:37:51.640 --> 1:37:54.960 the whole floor is blocked off like no one, no 1:37:55.040 --> 1:37:57.880 one can go into them except for Little Richard. Every 1:37:57.960 --> 1:38:01.760 other condo is locked off. Everybody's off. We have security 1:38:01.840 --> 1:38:05.000 at the front, at the elevators. Everybody's being checked. There's 1:38:05.040 --> 1:38:07.200 a list of people that are only allowed on the floor. 1:38:08.160 --> 1:38:12.000 That's it like. And I'm like, fuck the Beatles. I'm 1:38:12.040 --> 1:38:15.560 bigger than the and this is the album? Is that? 1:38:15.640 --> 1:38:17.720 How long have the cas I've been out at this time? 1:38:17.800 --> 1:38:25.080 Two weeks? Two weeks, two weeks. This is the impact 1:38:25.160 --> 1:38:28.880 I had on music cultures. Two weeks. I'm bigger than 1:38:28.920 --> 1:38:30.800 the Beatles. This is the only way I would be 1:38:30.880 --> 1:38:34.720 treated like this, either on Beatles or the ORNU right right. 1:38:35.439 --> 1:38:38.840 So I'm able to sneak by security. I don't know 1:38:38.880 --> 1:38:42.320 how I did it, but I get downstairs and outside 1:38:42.360 --> 1:38:46.200 the hotel is Rock Kim and Supreme m hmm. And 1:38:46.360 --> 1:38:51.840 I'm like, oh my god, rock Cam Supreme like yes, Supreme, mathematics, 1:38:51.960 --> 1:38:56.560 yeah Supreme. So I go up to Rock Kim and 1:38:56.680 --> 1:38:59.439 I said, Row, are you here to see me? And 1:38:59.520 --> 1:39:05.439 he said yeah. I said I said what, Well, He's like, yo, 1:39:05.800 --> 1:39:07.720 I'm gonna take you around this hotel. Beat you ass 1:39:07.760 --> 1:39:13.519 real quick? What I said, wait? I said what And 1:39:13.600 --> 1:39:15.559 I said what? He said, Yeah, man, you know that's 1:39:15.560 --> 1:39:17.960 seeking a settlement, stunt, seeking a settlement. I know that 1:39:18.080 --> 1:39:19.840 was about me, man. Eric told me that shit was 1:39:19.840 --> 1:39:21.960 about me on that Steven to the am joint. So 1:39:22.000 --> 1:39:23.519 I'm gonna come beat you ass real quick, I said, 1:39:23.600 --> 1:39:26.400 rock Kim, and my voice got real high. I was like, 1:39:26.960 --> 1:39:30.360 my favorite rubber time. I would never do you. That's crazy. 1:39:31.560 --> 1:39:32.040 I love you. 1:39:32.040 --> 1:39:34.479 You're my fucking man, like, I would never do you. 1:39:34.600 --> 1:39:36.240 Are you crazy? Like that's crazy? 1:39:36.280 --> 1:39:37.040 I was talking about some. 1:39:37.120 --> 1:39:43.040 Bitches's looking at me like stone face like, and Supreme 1:39:43.240 --> 1:39:45.240 looked out for me like a million times, and like 1:39:45.240 --> 1:39:47.760 all of a sudden, he's like on the other side, man, 1:39:47.920 --> 1:39:50.600 uncle nel my security guy. He grabs me. He's like 1:39:51.439 --> 1:39:54.120 get inside, get inside right now, and I'm like whatever. 1:39:54.680 --> 1:39:56.360 He takes me upstairs. He takes me to my room. 1:39:56.400 --> 1:40:00.160 He explains the whole situation that there's this hit and 1:40:00.240 --> 1:40:04.240 all of this, and there's a lieutenant coming to stay 1:40:04.280 --> 1:40:06.920 with us named Pooky, and I was like, this is 1:40:07.000 --> 1:40:07.920 some bullshit. Again. 1:40:07.960 --> 1:40:09.840 I'm not an officer, lieutenant. 1:40:09.800 --> 1:40:13.320 No, this guy a lieutenant, and I'm like this is bullshit. 1:40:13.360 --> 1:40:14.640 I'm like, yo, man, I want to go to the 1:40:14.960 --> 1:40:16.680 I heard about the Beverly Center, Like, I want to 1:40:16.720 --> 1:40:18.280 take my girl of Beverly Center. Can I get the 1:40:18.320 --> 1:40:20.560 fuck out of here? Like this is bullshit? And they're like, 1:40:21.000 --> 1:40:24.360 are you fucking kidding me? Like do you think this 1:40:24.520 --> 1:40:26.439 is bullshit? All of this is I'm like, yeah, it's 1:40:26.479 --> 1:40:30.000 some bullshit. This is not real. I'll fix all of this. 1:40:31.000 --> 1:40:34.280 This is not real. So Pooky comes in and Pooky 1:40:34.400 --> 1:40:36.920 is like the six three skinny dude and he got 1:40:37.000 --> 1:40:41.280 little weltz like all on his arms and I'm like, yo, 1:40:41.400 --> 1:40:44.479 it's up with the mumps. He's like, hey, mumps, motherfucker. 1:40:44.520 --> 1:40:49.360 He's a bullet. And I'm like okay. I was like, well, then, yo, 1:40:50.120 --> 1:40:52.040 take me to the Beverly Center. Then you're supposed to 1:40:52.080 --> 1:40:54.080 hold me down, hold me down, take me to Beverly Center. 1:40:54.680 --> 1:40:58.160 And Uncle Mel's like yo, and Pook he's like, no, no, no, no, no, 1:40:58.760 --> 1:41:01.280 Lil homie wants to go to center. I'll tell you 1:41:01.360 --> 1:41:03.479 the center, no problem, let's get in a van. 1:41:04.320 --> 1:41:09.599 So just to ask you, you didn't think after hearing 1:41:09.640 --> 1:41:13.320 that story, you still didn't think it can't. 1:41:13.120 --> 1:41:16.320 Be that no New York attitude from. 1:41:17.800 --> 1:41:18.080 Like you. 1:41:22.000 --> 1:41:25.000 It ain't real. I'm on some I'm on my New 1:41:25.080 --> 1:41:28.280 York ship for real, Like, fuck you, I'm from New 1:41:28.360 --> 1:41:31.000 York and everything else is bullshit. I'm from New York. 1:41:31.760 --> 1:41:35.080 But you understand my mentality. I do understand it. And 1:41:35.200 --> 1:41:37.240 it wasn't real. It had to be hyped, it had 1:41:37.240 --> 1:41:40.320 to be exaggerated. This was bullsh It couldn't be real. 1:41:40.800 --> 1:41:43.160 There's no way this is real. You used to go 1:41:43.240 --> 1:41:47.560 down chantell Is with me. Now you're embarrassing me in 1:41:47.640 --> 1:41:50.519 front of wisdom. I want to go to the Beverly Center. 1:41:51.600 --> 1:41:54.479 My wisdom, my earth is with me. You you are 1:41:54.520 --> 1:41:56.720 embarrassing in front of my earth, like I want to 1:41:56.760 --> 1:41:57.920 go to the Beverly. 1:41:57.640 --> 1:41:59.280 Center, embarras earth. 1:42:00.080 --> 1:42:02.120 So Pooky's like, no, no, no, no, little homie want 1:42:02.120 --> 1:42:04.720 to go technical Beverly Center. No problem. So Uncle Mel 1:42:04.880 --> 1:42:08.040 and Pooky and me and Chantell we go. I asked, 1:42:08.280 --> 1:42:09.519 you know, Pete, you want to go. He's like, huh, 1:42:11.600 --> 1:42:14.840 I'm good here. Yeah, I'm like a pussy pussy. This 1:42:14.920 --> 1:42:17.479 ain't rip. So we go to Beverly Center. And for 1:42:17.560 --> 1:42:20.080 those who are listening to, Beverly Center had this big 1:42:21.960 --> 1:42:25.720 circular area like and elevate escalators that go down and 1:42:26.080 --> 1:42:29.120 and had this like balcony that goes all the way around. 1:42:30.040 --> 1:42:32.320 So we came up to the balcony area and there's 1:42:32.439 --> 1:42:34.800 this escalator that goes down and at the time there 1:42:34.880 --> 1:42:38.000 was like a foot locker and a little hangout area. 1:42:38.600 --> 1:42:41.280 And Pooky's like, oh, you know, some people just noticed you. 1:42:41.280 --> 1:42:43.920 Why don't you go down there. I'm like, mother fucking right, 1:42:43.960 --> 1:42:46.840 I'm gonna go down and see my fans. I'm fucking 1:42:46.880 --> 1:42:50.519 I'm Elvis. So you look like MC search. Yeah, the 1:42:50.560 --> 1:42:53.640 whole shit, third base cutting in back, Sir Rock did 1:42:53.680 --> 1:42:56.320 it Crispy too? For the for the album release party. 1:42:56.920 --> 1:43:00.760 Crispy Crispy, go down, Little Mexican chicks. Oh my god, 1:43:00.840 --> 1:43:02.880 em C Search, I love you. Blah blah blah blah 1:43:02.880 --> 1:43:05.200 blah blah. I'm signing some autograph. I'm feeling good about myself. 1:43:05.200 --> 1:43:07.519 I'm waving to wifeyet yeah, da da da, I see 1:43:07.560 --> 1:43:09.360 some guys coming this way. I'm like, uh hu huh, 1:43:09.800 --> 1:43:12.160 guys over here coming this way, Da da da, I'm 1:43:12.160 --> 1:43:14.720 signing autographs. All of a sudden, the dude that's coming 1:43:14.760 --> 1:43:17.040 this way, he pulls the bandana up across his mouth, 1:43:17.560 --> 1:43:20.240 goes to get the ratchet and then I hear I 1:43:20.360 --> 1:43:25.439 hit his whistle loudest loudest loud whistle, and they all 1:43:25.479 --> 1:43:29.400 look up and Pooky does some gang signs. I don't 1:43:29.400 --> 1:43:31.880 know what he was doing. He says this, and the 1:43:32.000 --> 1:43:34.320 dude comes right into my face. He pulls down the mask. 1:43:34.360 --> 1:43:36.960 He goes, man, I love y'all, motherfucking third base. I 1:43:37.000 --> 1:43:39.040 was finna smoke you, but you know I love y'all 1:43:39.080 --> 1:43:44.240 motherfuckers yo, yo, and I and I'll tell you right 1:43:44.320 --> 1:43:45.920 there it was the only time as a growing man 1:43:45.960 --> 1:43:49.840 almost pete on myself and the other two dudes behind 1:43:49.920 --> 1:43:51.920 him are like, yo, were good. I'm like yeah. He's like, yeah, 1:43:51.960 --> 1:43:53.960 this shit is over, this shit is good. It's good. 1:43:54.880 --> 1:43:57.440 And I was like, get me to the fucking hotel 1:43:57.960 --> 1:44:03.559 right now, the fucking hotel right now. I was so scared. 1:44:03.600 --> 1:44:06.400 I don't even remember the ride out of the Beverly 1:44:06.479 --> 1:44:11.840 Center back to the Higher What what was the do 1:44:11.880 --> 1:44:16.320 you know what the value was? Fifty thousand dollars yo, 1:44:17.120 --> 1:44:23.400 fifty g's back in nineteen eighty nine. Fifty g's Yo. 1:44:23.920 --> 1:44:25.880 Both of y'all are just one no for both of us. 1:44:26.800 --> 1:44:30.320 Anybody who got to us it had to be both 1:44:30.360 --> 1:44:35.760 of us dead, not injured, dead dead. So we go 1:44:35.880 --> 1:44:38.479 back to the hotel. I now tell Pete shit is real, 1:44:38.520 --> 1:44:41.280 and Pete's like, yeah, motherfucker. I yeah, you didn't notice 1:44:41.320 --> 1:44:43.800 all of this shit, you know, But I was slow. 1:44:43.840 --> 1:44:48.120 I'm Polish Jew slow. And so now we have to 1:44:48.160 --> 1:44:51.040 figure out all this strategic movement because def Jam had 1:44:51.080 --> 1:44:54.160 put so much into this this next three days, like 1:44:54.200 --> 1:44:56.720 we're giving away a jeep on Kday, we have this 1:44:56.840 --> 1:44:59.880 album release party, Fox five is doing a special on us. 1:45:00.360 --> 1:45:02.040 You know, we have all these moving parts that we 1:45:02.120 --> 1:45:04.960 can't just cancel, like God forbid Russell and Leo should 1:45:05.000 --> 1:45:07.080 cancel something right, like, you know, we have to do 1:45:07.200 --> 1:45:11.160 all of this. And Pooky assured everybody that nothing would 1:45:11.160 --> 1:45:13.080 happen to us as long as Pooky's with us on 1:45:13.200 --> 1:45:16.600 our side. If anybody saw them and he did this, 1:45:16.920 --> 1:45:20.080 the gang signed, we were good. So we did not 1:45:20.320 --> 1:45:23.320 move out of the hotel. We didn't move right The 1:45:23.479 --> 1:45:26.839 next morning, we had to do the macatec Greg macat 1:45:26.960 --> 1:45:31.160 the morning show on KDE. Lisa Canning was his news person. 1:45:31.320 --> 1:45:33.479 It was like the only twenty four hour wrap show 1:45:33.960 --> 1:45:36.240 in the country is the AM station. It was on 1:45:36.360 --> 1:45:40.320 this little dirt mountain with an antenna like it was 1:45:40.320 --> 1:45:42.280 in middle of nowhere, and the little said k day. 1:45:43.160 --> 1:45:45.639 And we went in and it was the night after 1:45:45.720 --> 1:45:47.800 the American Music Awards. And I didn't know anything about 1:45:47.800 --> 1:45:50.519 the American Music Awards. I just I didn't know anything 1:45:50.560 --> 1:45:54.000 about the deal. I didn't know anything. We just went 1:45:54.120 --> 1:45:56.840 to Greg Mattin, you know, to do the morning show 1:45:56.880 --> 1:46:02.400 and give away this jeep. And so we sit down 1:46:02.680 --> 1:46:05.479 and Greg Max, hey, what up third Base? How you 1:46:05.520 --> 1:46:07.400 guys doing. I'm like, ah, it's cool, I'm cool. Yeah, 1:46:07.479 --> 1:46:09.599 you know, yeah, no, no, no, no, okay, good dude. 1:46:09.680 --> 1:46:10.960 You know, it's great to have you on. You know, 1:46:11.000 --> 1:46:14.720 this is Lisa Canning. Oh Lisa, what cracks some mic? Oh? 1:46:15.000 --> 1:46:15.160 You know? 1:46:15.240 --> 1:46:16.840 We got third Base in the how it's probably the 1:46:16.920 --> 1:46:19.320 environment jeep. We're gonna give it away, but first we 1:46:19.400 --> 1:46:22.400 got a special guest on the line no Live from 1:46:22.479 --> 1:46:25.559 the American Music Awards, winning five awards last night, including 1:46:25.600 --> 1:46:28.439 Album of the Year. MC Hammer, Hammer, what's up? Saying 1:46:28.439 --> 1:46:31.360 a lot of Third Base? I didn't know this partet 1:46:31.520 --> 1:46:33.960 And I look at Pete and I said, this motherfucker 1:46:34.080 --> 1:46:38.880 just set us in and Hammer goes, hey, Greg, you know, hey, Hamma, 1:46:38.960 --> 1:46:42.040 How are you brother? Nice to you know, hey, congratulations? 1:46:42.400 --> 1:46:45.560 What do you gotta say? Third Base? Yeah? Man, you know, 1:46:45.680 --> 1:46:48.519 I just you know, I don't understand why you know 1:46:48.640 --> 1:46:50.680 you have to diss my mom on that record. I'm 1:46:50.760 --> 1:46:54.479 and I'm like, really, I'm heated. I'm heated. And I 1:46:54.560 --> 1:46:58.040 was like, yo, ain't nobody dissed your matriarchal idiot? Like 1:46:58.160 --> 1:47:00.120 nobody dissed that. You know. It's like, and you know 1:47:00.160 --> 1:47:01.800 what you did. Why don't you come get this ass 1:47:01.840 --> 1:47:04.639 whooping you punk? You a bitch? Hey, watch your language? 1:47:04.680 --> 1:47:07.320 Knowing you a bitch too, Greg Mac, you're a punk bitch. 1:47:07.560 --> 1:47:09.760 Why don't you say that? Great Mac? Yeah, I said, 1:47:09.800 --> 1:47:11.519 why don't you go to the phone. See who LA 1:47:11.720 --> 1:47:14.200 likes better third Base of Hamm of that punk bitch. 1:47:14.560 --> 1:47:16.320 He's like, hey, watch your mouth is love Radio. I 1:47:16.400 --> 1:47:18.599 was like, yo, I'll say a whole lot worse, you bitch. 1:47:20.160 --> 1:47:25.280 All right, we're gonna go to the line, right, gonna 1:47:25.320 --> 1:47:28.880 go to the lines. First caller, oh I love third base, 1:47:28.960 --> 1:47:31.240 I love the Hammers. Whack Hamma gets a gas face. 1:47:31.560 --> 1:47:33.920 Next caller, oh I love hammer third base is whack 1:47:33.960 --> 1:47:35.920 those Wanda bees out of da Da da they're whack. 1:47:36.280 --> 1:47:38.920 Next caller, Oh, I love Hammer. Hammer is dope. You know, 1:47:39.479 --> 1:47:41.560 third base is whack. Blah blah blah. Next caller, I 1:47:41.680 --> 1:47:44.760 love third base. Yo, search is dope, Peter's dope, Hamm's whack. 1:47:44.800 --> 1:47:46.360 I don't know this whole thing about this and that 1:47:46.479 --> 1:47:48.559 Ya Da da da da. We're gonna take more calls 1:47:48.600 --> 1:47:50.960 after this, and you know, right, So then he starts 1:47:51.000 --> 1:47:54.360 taking more calls and I'm telling Mel, I'm like, Yo, Mel, 1:47:54.600 --> 1:47:57.080 if you want to fucking smoke this motherfucker, go ahead, man, 1:47:57.080 --> 1:47:59.080 I'll give you ten thousand dollars. You put a bullet 1:47:59.080 --> 1:48:03.400 in this motherfucker's head. And very great. Yeah, And he's like, Yo, 1:48:03.479 --> 1:48:05.760 you need to fucking calm down. And I'm like, calm down, 1:48:06.200 --> 1:48:08.040 Like you just set us up our first time in radio, 1:48:08.200 --> 1:48:10.760 Like this is some good radio to you. Ps, it 1:48:10.880 --> 1:48:13.800 was good radio, right, But I'm like, you know, but 1:48:13.880 --> 1:48:16.280 I'm insulted, and I'm young, and I'm dumb, and I'm 1:48:16.320 --> 1:48:18.200 full of com and I'm like, yo, I'm gonna fucking 1:48:18.240 --> 1:48:22.040 smack somebody. So he goes to the callers. He tapes 1:48:22.160 --> 1:48:24.439 two or three calls. It's between Hammer and Ya Da 1:48:24.520 --> 1:48:28.200 Da da dah, and then he takes a live call caller, 1:48:28.240 --> 1:48:31.760 who's this rolling sixty crib were coming for you, Pip. 1:48:32.960 --> 1:48:39.360 Time out there we go. Mac didn't know what was 1:48:39.400 --> 1:48:42.360 going on. He had no idea. We get in the van, 1:48:42.520 --> 1:48:44.720 we start going down the dirt road. There's these two 1:48:45.320 --> 1:48:48.639 sixty four's that come this way. Oh lord, six dudes 1:48:48.680 --> 1:48:52.719 come out with ars and ratchets and like, and Pooky 1:48:52.880 --> 1:49:01.200 jumps out whistles this some wild sign still third base 1:49:01.240 --> 1:49:09.120 if he bunts. Alright, he just gave he gave some 1:49:09.240 --> 1:49:11.519 signs and those dudes get back in the car and 1:49:11.560 --> 1:49:12.400 they just back out. 1:49:12.479 --> 1:49:12.679 Wow. 1:49:13.760 --> 1:49:17.800 So now the real problem is God that that night 1:49:18.640 --> 1:49:22.200 we have to go to the Palace and perform, and 1:49:22.320 --> 1:49:26.000 it's like everybody know, the entire audience, no, no, no, 1:49:26.160 --> 1:49:28.240 there's no way to stop it. There's no way to 1:49:28.280 --> 1:49:30.759 stop it. There's like three thousand people in the palace 1:49:31.360 --> 1:49:35.080 and they've been there since like six o'clock in the afternoon. 1:49:36.400 --> 1:49:40.360 So this is a logistical nightmare. As they say in 1:49:40.720 --> 1:49:45.240 the tour business. Right, there were blue cars circling all 1:49:45.320 --> 1:49:48.639 on Hollywood and Vine, just blue cars, tons of blue cars, 1:49:48.720 --> 1:49:52.720 tons of blue cars, and we can't figure this out. 1:49:52.800 --> 1:49:55.599 Chantella's crying. Our girls are crying like, oh my god, 1:49:55.680 --> 1:49:58.640 you're gonna die. Like one person says, hey, let's cancel la. 1:49:59.240 --> 1:50:01.840 Definitely not. There was no way to. Like Russell and 1:50:01.880 --> 1:50:03.880 Ley all put our lives in jeopardy. They were not 1:50:04.040 --> 1:50:09.160 canceling nothing because POOKI short and he got him the 1:50:09.240 --> 1:50:11.759 seats and ya da da da dad. So what Leor 1:50:11.800 --> 1:50:14.720 and Russell did was send their guy, Big D, who 1:50:14.840 --> 1:50:19.120 used to be the he sent how do you know 1:50:19.240 --> 1:50:23.000 that from the It was one of these documentaries you met, 1:50:24.840 --> 1:50:27.360 all right, go ahead, So Big D comes in and 1:50:27.520 --> 1:50:30.280 his job is to stay next to my conception the 1:50:30.360 --> 1:50:32.960 whole time, Like his job is to act like my 1:50:33.080 --> 1:50:35.880 conception security because he wants to make sure that Mike's 1:50:35.880 --> 1:50:39.920 gonna keep his word of his word is bond. The 1:50:40.120 --> 1:50:43.680 next day he's doing the final recording. The same day 1:50:43.680 --> 1:50:47.600 we're doing the Palace, Hammer is recording his verse for 1:50:47.760 --> 1:50:49.920 role in the Same Gang, and my Conception is there 1:50:50.040 --> 1:50:53.280 and Big D is there. Hammer. Before he goes into 1:50:53.360 --> 1:50:55.680 the and I got this from D. Before he goes in, 1:50:55.840 --> 1:50:57.400 he says to Mike, hey, can I talk to a 1:50:57.479 --> 1:51:00.280 second and you know for private He's like yeah, but 1:51:00.400 --> 1:51:02.559 my security god come with me. He's like, yeah, that's fine. 1:51:03.920 --> 1:51:06.880 They go into a room. Indeed, literally said Hamma. Turned that, 1:51:07.080 --> 1:51:10.120 turned turned to Mike and said why ain't they dead yet? 1:51:11.960 --> 1:51:14.720 And Mike said, yeah, that's not gonna happen. But I'll 1:51:14.760 --> 1:51:18.320 tell you what, if anything does happen to third Base, 1:51:18.600 --> 1:51:21.719 I'll kill your brother, your mother, your father, your sister, 1:51:21.920 --> 1:51:24.280 your cousins. I'll come to Unkland and wipe your whole 1:51:24.320 --> 1:51:26.800 fucking family out. Now, get in a fucking booth and 1:51:26.840 --> 1:51:27.679 do your verse. 1:51:28.960 --> 1:51:29.000 What? 1:51:30.200 --> 1:51:32.320 And to this day, me and my conception are like this, 1:51:33.360 --> 1:51:36.800 to this day. So Hammer goes does his verse, and 1:51:36.880 --> 1:51:38.719 we're like, how are we gonna get into our own party? 1:51:39.360 --> 1:51:42.719 And Uncle Mel says, I got it. We're gonna dress 1:51:42.720 --> 1:51:48.519 them as security guards. Wait, there's no way this is true, 1:51:50.720 --> 1:51:54.080 absolutely true, right, So he says, we're gonna dress you 1:51:54.200 --> 1:51:56.080 up as security guard. So we put on the csc 1:51:56.320 --> 1:52:00.479 security jackets, keV Lar, I cover in my high top, 1:52:00.560 --> 1:52:03.599 fade with a Scully Pete Sku, and we got dark 1:52:03.680 --> 1:52:07.120 glasses and my and my girl's crying and like it's 1:52:07.160 --> 1:52:10.880 all upsetting and everybody's upset, and we sneak into the venue, 1:52:11.600 --> 1:52:14.400 and like they make they make a comment like everybody 1:52:14.439 --> 1:52:17.600 who's wearing blue blue jeans you gotta get out, And 1:52:17.680 --> 1:52:19.920 Pooky has lound now like ten dudes with them, and 1:52:19.960 --> 1:52:23.439 they're like checking the audience and we're backstage for like 1:52:23.560 --> 1:52:27.200 two hours and Pooky's like, yeah, venue's clean, nobody's here. 1:52:27.280 --> 1:52:30.800 Ya da da da da? Can how come Pooky just 1:52:30.840 --> 1:52:36.160 didn't come out on stage first? And then I don't know, 1:52:36.920 --> 1:52:40.000 I don't know, I don't know. Oh my god, the 1:52:40.080 --> 1:52:44.760 original Twitter r Pooky is Twitter. So we find out 1:52:44.760 --> 1:52:48.280 it's all clear, it's all good. Girls come in. N 1:52:48.439 --> 1:52:50.320 w A is there. I take a picture. I gave 1:52:50.479 --> 1:52:52.840 n w A. I gave easy my third base gives 1:52:52.880 --> 1:52:54.760 him the gas face hat. I wear the Oakland rate 1:52:54.800 --> 1:52:57.120 I hat. We're taking pictures with Dre and d C 1:52:57.360 --> 1:53:00.200 and De La Soula is there. Ll jumps on day. 1:53:00.200 --> 1:53:02.840 It's just a free style, like have a great night, 1:53:03.200 --> 1:53:08.040 great night, everything's peace, all done. And that's the empty 1:53:08.080 --> 1:53:12.360 Hammer story and Mike conception. He's still alive, still alive, 1:53:12.439 --> 1:53:15.679 lives in Malibu, lives in Malibu. He's still power liized, 1:53:15.800 --> 1:53:18.120 but you know he lives in Malibu and still involved 1:53:18.120 --> 1:53:19.519 in the music business and if. 1:53:19.400 --> 1:53:22.600 You and are in the same room today. 1:53:22.360 --> 1:53:24.400 So let me tell y'all a story that you don't 1:53:24.439 --> 1:53:27.200 know that I saved just for Amir. I didn't even 1:53:27.280 --> 1:53:31.000 know the part two the entire so. 1:53:31.240 --> 1:53:33.360 Like the first time I heard the story, it's stopped 1:53:33.479 --> 1:53:36.400 at Mike exception, I'm sitting in the art I didn't 1:53:36.400 --> 1:53:37.959 know about great. 1:53:38.600 --> 1:53:42.759 Okay, So I saved this just for you. So about 1:53:43.600 --> 1:53:45.799 two years ago, I get a call from a producer 1:53:45.880 --> 1:53:48.120 friend of mine who did a movie called Black Dynamite. 1:53:48.400 --> 1:53:52.960 Man Scott said, yeah, yeah, yeah, Scott. Okay. Scott says, yo, 1:53:54.040 --> 1:53:56.679 I just heard you in Mosha Kasher on the Champs. 1:53:56.920 --> 1:53:58.719 We want to do a movie on the Hammer story. 1:54:00.520 --> 1:54:02.120 The only problem is we got to get Hammer to 1:54:02.160 --> 1:54:06.639 say okay to it. And I'm like, okay, I said cool. 1:54:07.120 --> 1:54:08.840 You know, He's like, are you gonna be okay with that? 1:54:09.040 --> 1:54:11.720 And I said, let's take it one step at the time, 1:54:11.760 --> 1:54:14.000 because I don't think Hammer will ever say it's okay 1:54:14.080 --> 1:54:18.839 to make this this story. And you know, because basically, 1:54:20.240 --> 1:54:22.040 and I didn't know this, but I found out later 1:54:22.479 --> 1:54:25.559 that even the idea and I forget what it's called, 1:54:25.600 --> 1:54:30.920 but even to commit murder. The oh yeah, conspiracy. There's 1:54:31.040 --> 1:54:33.240 no statute of limitations. You go to jail for any 1:54:34.120 --> 1:54:37.960 conspiracy to murder is a twenty five, regardless if it 1:54:38.040 --> 1:54:41.960 happened in eighty nine and ninety six or yesterday. So 1:54:42.720 --> 1:54:44.800 it takes about a year and they finally sit down 1:54:44.880 --> 1:54:49.720 with Hammer and his two agents from CIA, right, and 1:54:49.800 --> 1:54:53.120 I get a call from Scott and you know, this 1:54:53.280 --> 1:54:55.240 is a process has been taking a year. So I 1:54:55.280 --> 1:54:57.080 get a call from Scott. He goes, Yo, you're sitting down, 1:54:58.880 --> 1:55:04.000 said yeah, what's up. I met with Hammer and I 1:55:04.080 --> 1:55:09.600 said really, I said, He said yeah, Hammer wants to 1:55:09.680 --> 1:55:22.240 do the movie. He said, Hammer has one request that 1:55:22.400 --> 1:55:24.840 at the end of the movie, he's the hero that 1:55:25.000 --> 1:55:27.640 his mom said he shouldn't do the hit, and he 1:55:27.720 --> 1:55:30.160 didn't do the hit, and he's the hero of the movie. 1:55:30.360 --> 1:55:30.400 No. 1:55:30.760 --> 1:55:33.879 No, And I said, you know what, fuck it is Hollywood. 1:55:33.920 --> 1:55:36.040 It's all good. He's like, he's like, but would you 1:55:36.120 --> 1:55:37.600 do press with him? I was like, hell no, I'm 1:55:37.640 --> 1:55:38.920 not doing pressed with him. I don't want to be 1:55:38.960 --> 1:55:40.920 five feet near him. He's like, wait a minute, you 1:55:40.960 --> 1:55:44.040 know the red carpet. I said, fuck all that. I said, Yo, 1:55:44.080 --> 1:55:46.920 if I give him this not seeing him, never seen 1:55:47.000 --> 1:55:48.840 him face to face, and I'll tell you about the 1:55:48.920 --> 1:55:51.920 OMTV raps the last one. I'll tell you that story too, 1:55:52.720 --> 1:55:56.600 So never never right. So we start going through the negotiations. 1:55:57.000 --> 1:55:59.760 We start talking to and and the first person we 1:55:59.880 --> 1:56:02.600 go to seth Rogen and he's like, Yo, I want 1:56:02.640 --> 1:56:04.560 to fucking do this movie, like I want to fucking 1:56:04.640 --> 1:56:06.320 do it, like no doubt, I want to do it. 1:56:07.520 --> 1:56:11.080 But Hammer didn't know. I was still telling the story right. 1:56:11.320 --> 1:56:13.880 And it gets back to him I did the Champs right, 1:56:14.120 --> 1:56:16.280 and he hears the story and he's like, oh fuck Search. 1:56:16.520 --> 1:56:18.280 He can't let that shit go fuck him, and the 1:56:18.360 --> 1:56:20.480 movie was dead. So the closest I ever got to 1:56:20.560 --> 1:56:24.480 Hammer was the Final Yo MTV Raps. I'm now senior Big, 1:56:25.720 --> 1:56:27.680 I'm senior VP. A whild pitch. I get a call 1:56:27.960 --> 1:56:30.160 from Ted demimeye rest in peace, like, Yo, we're doing 1:56:30.200 --> 1:56:33.400 the final YO come through. I come through and I 1:56:33.520 --> 1:56:35.440 was just in some workshit like I wasn't even like 1:56:35.520 --> 1:56:38.440 stage dressed or nothing like that. And I got like 1:56:38.520 --> 1:56:41.440 ten goons with me, like I'm already with like nonfiction. 1:56:41.640 --> 1:56:43.920 So they are just a bunch of goons and we 1:56:44.040 --> 1:56:46.879 come in and for whatever reason, there was no metal detector, 1:56:46.920 --> 1:56:48.760 and like three of my boys got they ratchets with 1:56:48.880 --> 1:56:50.520 them and like we're just you know, but we're not 1:56:50.640 --> 1:56:53.120 thinking anything bad. We're just like, you know, just coming 1:56:53.160 --> 1:56:55.680 from the street. My boys were from Brooklyn. Whatever we 1:56:55.840 --> 1:56:58.800 do the cipher, I do my little verse. Everybody does 1:56:58.840 --> 1:57:02.080 their little verse. Ed Lover comes over and goes, come on, man, 1:57:02.120 --> 1:57:03.920 it's the last show and they're taping this. He goes, Yo, 1:57:04.000 --> 1:57:06.440 it's the last show. Hamma's back there, Like, come on, 1:57:06.600 --> 1:57:09.280 let's make peace, man, let's just the last young TV raps. 1:57:09.520 --> 1:57:15.040 And I said, Hammas here. I was like, oh, My 1:57:15.120 --> 1:57:17.680 boys pulled out. The ratchets started going through the crowd 1:57:17.760 --> 1:57:19.880 like looking for him. Hammer ditched. He went down into 1:57:19.960 --> 1:57:26.280 his car and took off. What the very last episode said, 1:57:27.480 --> 1:57:31.240 They never aired it. That didn't make the cut. God, 1:57:32.240 --> 1:57:34.480 that's the closest I've ever been to face to face 1:57:34.560 --> 1:57:34.800 with him. 1:57:34.960 --> 1:57:37.120 Well, I guess if somebody threatens your life and your family, 1:57:37.160 --> 1:57:38.240 you really it's kind of hard. 1:57:38.400 --> 1:57:40.600 Yeah, you know, it's funny. So I've been in recovery 1:57:40.680 --> 1:57:43.600 for five years, like eleven eleven is my anniversary. I've 1:57:43.640 --> 1:57:46.120 been in recovery and I'm I'm at the step. I'm 1:57:46.200 --> 1:57:50.760 drinking or drugs or drugs okay, marijuana. Oh, specifically I was. 1:57:51.080 --> 1:57:53.920 It was bad, and a lot of it was to 1:57:54.000 --> 1:57:55.520 numb a lot of pain that I was dealing with 1:57:55.640 --> 1:57:59.400 that I just didn't want to face. And I'm coming 1:57:59.480 --> 1:58:02.360 up to the eighth step, which is amens. And my 1:58:02.680 --> 1:58:05.720 sponsor doesn't really understand my career, like, you know, he 1:58:05.760 --> 1:58:07.480 doesn't care about it. But I told him, I have 1:58:07.640 --> 1:58:10.360 this amends I have to make with someone who really 1:58:10.400 --> 1:58:12.960 wanted to do bodily harm to me. And he said, 1:58:14.800 --> 1:58:17.800 the eight step talks about making amends with people unless 1:58:17.920 --> 1:58:22.720 it will cause injury to them or others. He's like, so, technically, 1:58:22.800 --> 1:58:25.080 if you don't want to make amends, you don't have to. 1:58:25.840 --> 1:58:28.440 You don't really have to. It's really up to you 1:58:28.520 --> 1:58:31.040 if you think it'll do damage to that person. And 1:58:31.120 --> 1:58:33.520 I was like, I don't think it'll damage that person, 1:58:33.600 --> 1:58:36.360 but if he says something smart, I'm going to definitely 1:58:36.520 --> 1:58:39.040 knock him the fuck out, you know what I'm saying. 1:58:39.160 --> 1:58:40.960 Like so it's like it's one of these things that 1:58:41.040 --> 1:58:43.320 I battle with as a grown ass man, even to 1:58:43.400 --> 1:58:45.360 this day, Like I'm forty nine, years old, like let 1:58:45.440 --> 1:58:47.760 it go, you know what I mean. But then I 1:58:47.880 --> 1:58:50.200 think about that day. I think about the black tarp, 1:58:50.280 --> 1:58:53.280 I think about the guys with the masks. I think 1:58:53.320 --> 1:58:55.720 about going into my own party as security. I think 1:58:55.760 --> 1:58:59.560 about Greg Mack and it's all like yesterday that you 1:59:00.080 --> 1:59:03.920 all like yesterday, And it's a part of me that's like, fuck, 1:59:03.960 --> 1:59:05.680 I gotta let it go sometimes, like when am I 1:59:05.720 --> 1:59:07.120 going to let it go? Like when am I just 1:59:07.160 --> 1:59:10.800 gonna let it go? So everything happens for a reason, right, 1:59:11.680 --> 1:59:14.840 So this year, we were doing a TV show called 1:59:14.880 --> 1:59:18.800 They Call Me Search. We're in the process of shooting 1:59:18.840 --> 1:59:21.040 the pilot and getting the sizzled and getting ready to 1:59:21.040 --> 1:59:24.040 shop it. And that's where I'm gonna make peace with it. 1:59:24.400 --> 1:59:26.840 That's what's up. That's where we're going to do an 1:59:26.840 --> 1:59:29.320 episode where I make peace with it. Just about your 1:59:29.400 --> 1:59:31.680 life and the show is about my life. And this 1:59:31.880 --> 1:59:33.960 is you and hammer y'all want to do it? No, no, no, 1:59:34.080 --> 1:59:35.440 I ain't got none to do with him. This is 1:59:35.840 --> 1:59:40.560 my This is all my stories in a series, not 1:59:40.640 --> 1:59:43.920 even a documentary, thirty minute dramedy. 1:59:44.240 --> 1:59:53.160 What if you're just joining us? You are breathing a 1:59:53.360 --> 1:59:57.680 sigh of relief. All right, it's Quest Love Supreme. We're 1:59:57.720 --> 2:00:00.800 here with MC search about the search? Oh what were 2:00:00.800 --> 2:00:03.040 you saying? I was was asking about the cats Albus. 2:00:03.080 --> 2:00:05.160 We didn't even really I know, we didn't the album. 2:00:05.720 --> 2:00:08.560 We went straight to the dam, to the shootout room 2:00:09.160 --> 2:00:12.320 to him. Yeah, so how on has y'all s been 2:00:12.400 --> 2:00:13.160 on working that record? 2:00:13.200 --> 2:00:17.560 Man? So couding it? So the record took us a 2:00:17.640 --> 2:00:19.520 year to record and it sat on the shelf for 2:00:19.560 --> 2:00:22.520 two and a half years. Are you wait eighty seven? Yep? 2:00:22.640 --> 2:00:24.400 We worked on it in eighty seven and it didn't 2:00:24.440 --> 2:00:26.360 come out till November of nineteen eighty nine. 2:00:27.320 --> 2:00:29.880 So from the time from when you were y'all were 2:00:29.920 --> 2:00:32.960 at uh you did the battle, Russ comes It's like, hey, 2:00:33.080 --> 2:00:34.840 tell them you're on def Jam. 2:00:35.560 --> 2:00:37.720 We signed. We signed six months later than we worked 2:00:37.760 --> 2:00:39.640 on the album, So a year and eight y'all signed 2:00:39.680 --> 2:00:42.360 as a duo. When was it ninety? When was it finished? 2:00:42.760 --> 2:00:46.720 End of nineteen eighty seven? Early nineteen eighty eight? And 2:00:47.120 --> 2:00:49.880 Russell what the problem was? Russell and Lyork didn't think 2:00:49.920 --> 2:00:52.080 we had a hit on the on the album that 2:00:52.200 --> 2:00:54.000 was Russell's real big deal. It's like we didn't have 2:00:54.080 --> 2:00:57.160 a hit. So when I wrote step into the Am 2:00:57.240 --> 2:00:59.000 for Eric being rock Cam, I was like, fuck it, 2:00:59.160 --> 2:01:00.920 this shit is dope. If he if he's not going 2:01:00.960 --> 2:01:02.280 to use it, me and Peter are going to use it. 2:01:03.320 --> 2:01:06.640 So I called I called Dante. I was like, Yo, Dante, 2:01:06.720 --> 2:01:08.920 can you hook us up with like Eric, Vietnam Sadler 2:01:08.960 --> 2:01:11.200 and Keith Shockley and those guys like I want to 2:01:11.240 --> 2:01:13.080 go out to Hempstead. I want to demo this song. 2:01:13.920 --> 2:01:20.040 And we did it in about a day day or two. 2:01:20.400 --> 2:01:23.800 We did it with them out there, Vietnam, Keith Hank did. 2:01:23.680 --> 2:01:26.920 You watch the Yeah, of course, can you please describe 2:01:27.000 --> 2:01:29.200 to me like watching the bomb Squad? 2:01:29.320 --> 2:01:32.680 So Keith was really like I like to call Keith 2:01:32.720 --> 2:01:36.200 the instigator. Keith would find the samples, like Keith was 2:01:36.280 --> 2:01:39.400 the guy who would like dig through the samples, and 2:01:39.520 --> 2:01:42.600 he was really the instigator. He'd be like, yo, say 2:01:42.680 --> 2:01:47.800 that ram again, Like say that right, and then they 2:01:47.840 --> 2:01:50.320 would and Vietnam would start putting the beats down right, 2:01:50.320 --> 2:01:51.840 and then he'd be like, oh, I got this sample. 2:01:52.120 --> 2:01:55.080 And they had that back wall with like fifty thousand records, 2:01:55.120 --> 2:01:57.960 like the whole back wall. He was like yo, yeah, yea. 2:02:00.280 --> 2:02:02.400 And then Keith would be like, oh wait wait, I 2:02:02.480 --> 2:02:04.160 got this, I got this, I got this for that, 2:02:04.240 --> 2:02:07.440 I got this for that. And then they would lay 2:02:07.480 --> 2:02:08.760 it down and be like, all right, going to the 2:02:08.960 --> 2:02:11.360 going to the booth, Pete, you start do your verse 2:02:11.400 --> 2:02:14.120 first search you come in da da da, And then 2:02:14.160 --> 2:02:16.040 we go back and forth. And then we were like no, no, no, no, no, 2:02:16.480 --> 2:02:19.280 let us do all verse like that. Oh okay, okay, okay, 2:02:19.280 --> 2:02:21.240 we're gonna lay the beat down over here. You guys 2:02:21.280 --> 2:02:23.760 go figure out your verses and and and it was 2:02:23.880 --> 2:02:27.080 really like Vietnam was the instigator and then Keith was 2:02:27.160 --> 2:02:30.000 the agitator. He'd be like, yo, that shit not and 2:02:30.000 --> 2:02:33.240 they would go back and forth, and Hank would literally 2:02:33.400 --> 2:02:35.240 was the one who came in and did the final mixes. 2:02:35.840 --> 2:02:38.560 So Hank would come in, he would tune everything, he 2:02:38.600 --> 2:02:42.040 would hear everything, he'd listen to both speakers, he nod yes, 2:02:42.200 --> 2:02:44.080 and then he was out, you know what I'm saying. 2:02:44.160 --> 2:02:46.560 Like he was like the orchestrator. Hank was like Puffy, 2:02:47.440 --> 2:02:49.880 No no, I wouldn't say, well I don't I've never 2:02:49.880 --> 2:02:52.440 seen Puffy in the studio and no, no, no. 2:02:52.520 --> 2:02:54.720 He's like, I know they get said, oh you don't 2:02:54.720 --> 2:02:58.200 do no real like. He doesn't do the work per 2:02:58.280 --> 2:03:02.640 se like. I felt that air Eric was the technology guy, 2:03:03.080 --> 2:03:07.400 and he was. And then Keith had the information that 2:03:07.680 --> 2:03:10.360 other records he used right, and Chuck did all the 2:03:10.440 --> 2:03:11.400 voice and stuff right. 2:03:11.360 --> 2:03:13.680 And then and then Hank would kind of tune everything. 2:03:13.720 --> 2:03:15.400 And Hank was the guy who would say with the 2:03:15.480 --> 2:03:17.680 mix engineer and make sure the mix was tight and 2:03:17.800 --> 2:03:21.080 everything was dope well, and it's funny. And the funny thing. 2:03:21.280 --> 2:03:22.840 I just got to tell you the side, Joe, because 2:03:22.840 --> 2:03:25.320 you know my family. So one night, we're in the 2:03:25.400 --> 2:03:28.440 studio and we're going to take a break, So we 2:03:28.520 --> 2:03:33.000 go to Irving Plaza, meet Keith Vietnam, Pete Doddy Rich. 2:03:33.480 --> 2:03:36.960 We go to Irving Plaza and at the time, Keith 2:03:37.080 --> 2:03:40.280 was kicking his sumb shorty right and he's going up 2:03:40.280 --> 2:03:42.280 the stairs in front of us, and I go and 2:03:42.360 --> 2:03:45.240 I go to give somebody a pound behind me, and 2:03:45.320 --> 2:03:48.400 all of a sudden, I hear, oh, oh, stop, bitch stop, 2:03:50.520 --> 2:03:54.000 and I go upstairs and Keith is getting pounded like 2:03:54.120 --> 2:03:56.600 to the midsection by this little five to two shorty. 2:03:57.120 --> 2:03:59.240 She's just pounding him. And he's doing the right thing. 2:03:59.280 --> 2:04:01.600 He ain't hitting her, but he finally gets her off 2:04:01.640 --> 2:04:03.880 of him and yah da da da da, and I 2:04:03.960 --> 2:04:08.920 look in at Chantelle. That's how you met Chantelle. No, 2:04:09.280 --> 2:04:13.320 it's not how I met Chantel. So we became friends, 2:04:13.800 --> 2:04:15.640 like just through the club scene. And I always kind 2:04:15.640 --> 2:04:18.080 of I called her Lefty. I was like, yo, what 2:04:18.200 --> 2:04:22.840 up Lefty? Because she had that wicked left And she 2:04:22.880 --> 2:04:25.080 would always see me like coming to clubs with all 2:04:25.240 --> 2:04:27.720 different chicks and like ya da da da da. And 2:04:27.840 --> 2:04:32.240 her favorite record was Super Hope by bdp uh huh, 2:04:32.320 --> 2:04:34.280 so she would always call me the super ho She 2:04:34.360 --> 2:04:36.520 was like, oh, there was miss the super Hope. So 2:04:37.280 --> 2:04:38.920 me and P used to host a party at Irving 2:04:38.960 --> 2:04:42.520 Plaza on Wednesday nights, and she used to come and 2:04:42.600 --> 2:04:43.960 check us out and yah da da da da, And 2:04:44.000 --> 2:04:45.600 she always thought it was kind of whack as an MC. 2:04:45.760 --> 2:04:49.360 She didn't really like me. So we had recorded we 2:04:49.440 --> 2:04:51.320 had recorded Step into the Am and we were just 2:04:51.400 --> 2:04:55.080 finishing up the album and I get an invitation through 2:04:55.200 --> 2:04:59.240 Russell to Spike Lee's Do the Right Thing after party, 2:05:00.440 --> 2:05:03.200 right right, So I get a pass and it's for 2:05:03.280 --> 2:05:08.400 two people and and it's the date was March. Uh. 2:05:08.720 --> 2:05:14.680 It was like March eighteenth, and I called Bobido. I 2:05:14.760 --> 2:05:16.960 called my man, I call cool Bob Love. I'm like, Bob, 2:05:17.040 --> 2:05:18.880 come with me. He's like that. He's like, I'll meet 2:05:18.920 --> 2:05:21.240 you down there. I was like, all right, you know, 2:05:21.440 --> 2:05:23.200 doors open at six. What time are you gonna meet me. 2:05:23.240 --> 2:05:25.360 He's like, I'll meet you there like seven. So I 2:05:25.440 --> 2:05:28.400 get down there like five thirty, like a little early, right, 2:05:28.440 --> 2:05:31.560 and the crowd is like, so on hip hop of you? No, 2:05:31.680 --> 2:05:33.760 it's so, but it was an early party. Was it 2:05:33.840 --> 2:05:35.800 was a rap party. It wasn't like a hip hop party. 2:05:35.880 --> 2:05:39.120 Was Spike throwing a party? DJing like Red Alert was 2:05:39.200 --> 2:05:42.320 djaying And at the time, Red Alert was dating a 2:05:42.360 --> 2:05:45.120 girl named Darlene. And then there was another girl that 2:05:45.240 --> 2:05:50.320 was Sabrina, who was literally the first superhead of hip hop. 2:05:50.480 --> 2:05:52.880 Like she was like she was like that was that 2:05:53.000 --> 2:05:55.080 was and that was it was a claim to fame. 2:05:55.120 --> 2:05:56.480 And I went to high school with us, so like 2:05:56.600 --> 2:05:59.160 I kind of knew, like that was her ship. And 2:05:59.240 --> 2:06:01.360 then there was another girl, and there was another girl, 2:06:01.360 --> 2:06:03.680 and there was Chantelle and what was happening is my 2:06:03.760 --> 2:06:07.080 man Big Daryl was doing the door and he was 2:06:07.280 --> 2:06:08.920 just taking the girls in one of the time because 2:06:08.920 --> 2:06:11.120 they didn't have passes, but he was like hooking them 2:06:11.200 --> 2:06:14.280 up and letting them in, and I was like, cool, 2:06:14.360 --> 2:06:16.040 you know, I'll just hang out and kick it with y'all. 2:06:16.760 --> 2:06:18.720 And I had my walkman and my cassette of my 2:06:18.840 --> 2:06:21.680 demo and the whole thing, and then I didn't see Barbido, 2:06:21.760 --> 2:06:23.360 so I went to the pay phone. He's like, yeah, man, 2:06:23.400 --> 2:06:26.400 I come in. I'm I'm not gonna be there, so 2:06:26.640 --> 2:06:28.000 I come back out and I was like, you know what, 2:06:28.160 --> 2:06:30.160 you guys go in, and when whoever's last, I can 2:06:30.240 --> 2:06:31.800 take them in with me because I got a plus one. 2:06:32.720 --> 2:06:35.160 So they all go in and Chantell is the last one, 2:06:35.200 --> 2:06:36.600 and I'm like, oh, you want to hear my demo? 2:06:37.160 --> 2:06:40.280 She's like cool and like she was always cool with 2:06:40.400 --> 2:06:43.320 like Q Tip and Fife, and she was always cool 2:06:43.320 --> 2:06:45.120 with everybody in the native tongue. So she had a 2:06:45.160 --> 2:06:47.640 really good ear. So I was like, damn, Chantell likes this, 2:06:47.800 --> 2:06:51.360 like so she listens to it and she goes it's cool, 2:06:52.560 --> 2:06:56.840 and I'm like whatever, be like whatever, this is absolutely 2:06:56.920 --> 2:07:01.200 going nowhere. So we walk in and Big Daryl says 2:07:01.240 --> 2:07:03.480 to me, yo, who's shorty? And I'm like, oh, that's 2:07:03.520 --> 2:07:07.920 my wife. And she goes, yeah, right and keeps it 2:07:08.040 --> 2:07:11.000 moving and keeps it moving. So I go one way, 2:07:11.040 --> 2:07:14.000 she goes the other. We're chilling. It's getting like late. 2:07:14.680 --> 2:07:16.360 The think tanker died on me. I don't have the 2:07:16.400 --> 2:07:19.680 think take anymore. I'm living in my parents' house and 2:07:20.360 --> 2:07:22.960 the Long Island Railroad that took me to my house 2:07:23.000 --> 2:07:24.840 because you didn't take that. I was done with the 2:07:24.880 --> 2:07:28.600 A train, the Long islandrail which was close to my parents' house. 2:07:28.600 --> 2:07:30.600 If you didn't get on like the one fifty seven 2:07:30.920 --> 2:07:32.800 or the midnight train, the next train was like six 2:07:32.800 --> 2:07:35.760 o'clock in the morning with some dumb shit. So I'm 2:07:35.840 --> 2:07:37.600 like looking at my watch and I'm like, okay, I 2:07:37.640 --> 2:07:39.600 got a time this right, I got a time this right? 2:07:39.640 --> 2:07:41.880 You know, Da da da da da. I'm hanging out. 2:07:41.920 --> 2:07:43.880 I'm hanging out with Red yah da da. I'm bumping 2:07:43.920 --> 2:07:45.880 into Chantelle with making fun of people, and I'm like, oh, 2:07:45.920 --> 2:07:48.120 that's kind of funny. Ya da da da da. Red 2:07:48.160 --> 2:07:51.400 goes into his reggae session, you know, Barrington Levy like 2:07:51.720 --> 2:07:54.000 who'sia bon time and all. I'm like, oh, this is 2:07:54.080 --> 2:07:54.480 my shit. 2:07:54.640 --> 2:07:55.080 You can do that. 2:07:55.400 --> 2:07:57.960 Oh I can bogle like a muffucker. I don't get 2:07:57.960 --> 2:08:01.760 it twisted, don't get it fucked up. So I see 2:08:01.840 --> 2:08:03.800 Chantella and I'm like, oh, you want to dance. She's 2:08:03.880 --> 2:08:06.880 like yeah, So we're dancing. I'm like, damn, she kind 2:08:06.920 --> 2:08:10.120 of she's short, but she looked good, like you know, 2:08:10.400 --> 2:08:14.240 like she looked really good. So I'm like, all right, 2:08:14.280 --> 2:08:15.840 let's go kick it over here. And I'm like looking 2:08:15.880 --> 2:08:17.200 at the time, I'm like, you know, I only got 2:08:17.240 --> 2:08:18.600 a little bit of time to kick it with us 2:08:18.600 --> 2:08:22.360 because I gotta go. And I'm like, you know, we're 2:08:22.400 --> 2:08:24.240 talking and she's telling me she's kind of kicking in 2:08:24.360 --> 2:08:27.080 with k rock, EMPC, lights DJ and they're like kind 2:08:27.080 --> 2:08:28.840 of friends. And ya da da da da da dah. 2:08:29.520 --> 2:08:30.880 And I said to it, like, look, I'm gonna go. 2:08:31.160 --> 2:08:32.400 You mind if I give you a kiss ad night? 2:08:32.440 --> 2:08:34.000 She was like, yeah, mind if you give me because 2:08:34.040 --> 2:08:37.520 I don't even know you. I'm like, okay, like all good. 2:08:37.840 --> 2:08:39.240 So we're talking a little more, talking a little more. 2:08:39.240 --> 2:08:40.640 I'm looking at my watch. I'm like, yeah, I really 2:08:40.640 --> 2:08:43.200 gotta go. I'm like all right. I said, look, I 2:08:43.280 --> 2:08:44.760 really had a good time. It was great talking to you, 2:08:44.960 --> 2:08:46.400 you know, is it okay? If I give you a 2:08:46.480 --> 2:08:50.000 kiss good night, and she was like yeah, okay, and 2:08:50.080 --> 2:08:54.200 I kissed her and it was just fireworks, like I'd 2:08:54.280 --> 2:09:00.160 never felt like that from a kiss before. So there 2:09:00.160 --> 2:09:04.280 were these big fucking weather balloons attached to cinderblocks and 2:09:04.400 --> 2:09:07.360 real cool like rap party shit right like right corny, 2:09:08.120 --> 2:09:14.800 and I d dragged one over, just like what the 2:09:14.880 --> 2:09:16.560 fuck are you doing? And I said, this is what 2:09:16.640 --> 2:09:18.400 you're going to tell our grandchildren. I gave you as 2:09:18.440 --> 2:09:20.960 my first gift. I said, I gotta go, and she's like, no, 2:09:21.040 --> 2:09:22.440 you don't have to go. Why don't you just, you know, 2:09:22.480 --> 2:09:24.120 stay at our apartment And she was like, I was 2:09:24.200 --> 2:09:28.480 like what, She's like, relaxed, We got a sofa. So 2:09:28.600 --> 2:09:31.000 I stayed. And the next day, March nineteenth, was my 2:09:31.080 --> 2:09:34.680 dad's birthday, so I had to run back home and 2:09:36.000 --> 2:09:37.640 I celebrated with my dad real quick, and then I 2:09:37.720 --> 2:09:40.160 went back and we have been together ever since twenty 2:09:40.200 --> 2:09:42.800 eight years and that was what year was that? That 2:09:42.880 --> 2:09:47.000 was eighty nine? Yeah, and this is before then, before 2:09:47.040 --> 2:09:48.440 the record, oh yeah, even before. 2:09:48.560 --> 2:09:51.080 It feels like our first coust love Supreme love story. 2:09:51.080 --> 2:09:52.040 We don't really tell those. 2:09:51.920 --> 2:09:52.920 Twos around here. 2:09:55.160 --> 2:09:57.400 The day after Valentine's Day where we just talked about 2:09:57.440 --> 2:09:58.480 breakups for a good. 2:09:58.360 --> 2:09:58.880 Half and an hour. 2:09:59.040 --> 2:10:04.520 Yeah, I will say as as a liner note junkie. 2:10:06.240 --> 2:10:09.640 No, I mean I remember, like I'm one of them 2:10:09.680 --> 2:10:13.960 dudes that remembers great liner notes from albums. But I 2:10:14.040 --> 2:10:18.240 don't know why this is. I got the Cactus CD. 2:10:21.120 --> 2:10:23.520 I got it the day before. By this point, I 2:10:23.720 --> 2:10:26.680 was working at a insurance agent, Like I was. 2:10:27.160 --> 2:10:28.720 Oh, we skipping love, Okay, I see what We're going 2:10:29.040 --> 2:10:30.160 back to Cactus Okay, no, no. 2:10:30.200 --> 2:10:31.360 No, hang on, hang on hand. 2:10:32.160 --> 2:10:34.720 But you know, it took me like an hour to 2:10:34.800 --> 2:10:38.040 get from my insurance job back to West Philadelphia. 2:10:38.920 --> 2:10:41.600 So you know, I get done work at eleven PM. 2:10:42.720 --> 2:10:46.040 So I remember, like you know, I'd listened to these 2:10:46.120 --> 2:10:50.200 CDs in my discman, and I remember reading the liner 2:10:50.280 --> 2:10:53.400 notes to the Cactus CD. 2:10:53.360 --> 2:10:56.160 Which was like fifteen pages long, like weis Everybody and 2:10:56.240 --> 2:10:59.760 their Mother exactly. It was literally our last album. Like 2:10:59.800 --> 2:11:02.440 I literally looked at it like this will never sell, 2:11:02.680 --> 2:11:04.440 Like we'll do a thousand units. I'll be cool in 2:11:04.480 --> 2:11:06.840 Brooklyn and we'll be dumped. I mean, I never thought 2:11:06.880 --> 2:11:09.200 we would ever have Why did it? Why did it 2:11:09.240 --> 2:11:10.880 sit for two years? Because he didn't think we had 2:11:10.880 --> 2:11:12.760 a hit. And when I did Step into the Am. 2:11:12.880 --> 2:11:14.360 Right after we did Step into the Am, we played 2:11:14.360 --> 2:11:15.840 it for Russell. He was like, Okay, we're gonna put 2:11:15.880 --> 2:11:17.800 the record out. And then two days later we got 2:11:17.840 --> 2:11:19.680 with Prince Paul and then we did Brooklyn Queens and 2:11:19.720 --> 2:11:23.160 gas Face. I see, okay, all right to. 2:11:23.120 --> 2:11:28.600 Wait, wait wait, we're going to Love Love Research. 2:11:30.320 --> 2:11:32.880 Yeah, but ahead, I just want to get my point 2:11:32.920 --> 2:11:37.080 out that was that I was really seeing Chantale. I'll 2:11:37.080 --> 2:11:40.800 make an honest woman out of you. Yet on on 2:11:41.680 --> 2:11:44.120 the liner notes, like, I was like, Yo, that's that's 2:11:44.120 --> 2:11:47.000 some real ship. Like I don't know why that's always. 2:11:46.680 --> 2:11:49.560 Stuck with me. I'm even don't do that. That's a 2:11:49.760 --> 2:11:51.880 that's some real vulnerable ship to put out there. Yeah, 2:11:51.880 --> 2:11:53.760 I mean yeah, I mean my wife and I left. 2:11:53.760 --> 2:11:55.760 All the time we've been together twenty eight years, three 2:11:55.800 --> 2:11:58.520 of them good and I mean just I mean we've 2:11:58.560 --> 2:12:01.720 all you know, listen, being married to an artist is Tom. 2:12:01.680 --> 2:12:04.400 Was going to say how it's tough. It's apropos that 2:12:04.480 --> 2:12:05.800 he's on our Valentine special. 2:12:06.440 --> 2:12:12.280 It really is. Yeah, you have probably one because a 2:12:12.360 --> 2:12:15.080 break up? What do you mean to break up? You 2:12:15.160 --> 2:12:19.600 just got with your girl. Hey, Hey, it's a long story. 2:12:20.120 --> 2:12:22.920 I mean, because the thing is is that to have 2:12:23.640 --> 2:12:28.480 true love, like the love you talking about, or to 2:12:28.960 --> 2:12:32.800 really grab the brass ring, I feel like you can 2:12:32.960 --> 2:12:34.120 only worship. 2:12:34.200 --> 2:12:36.360 Yeah he wanted God. Yeah he only thinks that. He 2:12:36.440 --> 2:12:39.920 doesn't think it's possible to like have a functional love life. 2:12:40.080 --> 2:12:41.480 And I guess. 2:12:42.360 --> 2:12:44.880 And the thing is, maybe I'm not being honest about 2:12:44.960 --> 2:12:47.600 what my goals are and what is a good woman 2:12:47.720 --> 2:12:47.960 to you? 2:12:49.840 --> 2:12:52.520 Just what you want to know that for anyway, I'm 2:12:52.600 --> 2:12:55.040 just saying, here's the here's the short of it, the 2:12:55.120 --> 2:12:58.240 long and short of There's nothing to teach because the 2:12:58.320 --> 2:12:59.880 truth of the matter is I was a fuck up 2:13:00.080 --> 2:13:02.160 or most of my marriage. I was a young I 2:13:02.280 --> 2:13:05.000 was young, dumb. I was running around, I was flirting 2:13:05.040 --> 2:13:06.400 with chicks in front of my girl, like I was 2:13:06.480 --> 2:13:10.200 being mad disrespectful. But I thought that, hey, if I 2:13:10.400 --> 2:13:13.160 just come home, I make money, that should be enough. 2:13:14.320 --> 2:13:16.400 And when I thought it wasn't enough, I was like, Okay, 2:13:16.560 --> 2:13:20.360 we'll have kids and that'll be enough. But that wasn't enough. 2:13:22.200 --> 2:13:25.879 The one thing I have to say, in all honesty 2:13:26.400 --> 2:13:30.400 is that the only reason I know unconditional love is 2:13:30.440 --> 2:13:33.720 because of she can't tell because I know I didn't 2:13:33.800 --> 2:13:38.080 give her unconditional love for most of our marriage. I 2:13:38.760 --> 2:13:41.000 sat my girl down when we first moved into our 2:13:41.000 --> 2:13:44.680 apartment and I said to her, to her face, you 2:13:44.800 --> 2:13:47.160 are second to my music, and if you can't live 2:13:47.240 --> 2:13:48.280 with that, there's the door. 2:13:48.400 --> 2:13:51.200 I've heard that. I've said that, Yes, I've been on 2:13:51.240 --> 2:13:51.720 the other end. 2:13:51.880 --> 2:13:56.880 You said second, yes, And she looked at me and 2:13:57.000 --> 2:13:58.840 she said, I'll give you two and a half years 2:13:58.840 --> 2:14:00.880 of my life and if you don't wife me, I'm 2:14:00.880 --> 2:14:03.680 out the door. And I said, fair enough. 2:14:03.840 --> 2:14:05.360 At what point in the relationship, I'm sorry, was this 2:14:05.400 --> 2:14:05.680 what year? 2:14:05.720 --> 2:14:07.760 I'm just here. We moved in in June of nineteen 2:14:07.800 --> 2:14:10.120 eighty nine. I married her in November nineteen ninety one. 2:14:11.840 --> 2:14:15.160 Made it right? So similar to that? Yeah, no, no, 2:14:16.120 --> 2:14:18.600 it's very true. It's absolutely true. And you know, and 2:14:18.680 --> 2:14:21.080 I knew, like there was a lot of turmoil in 2:14:21.160 --> 2:14:23.080 my life in ninety one, the band was breaking up, 2:14:23.200 --> 2:14:25.080 like I was really like there was a lot of 2:14:25.240 --> 2:14:27.240 ugliness in my life, and she was the one light 2:14:27.920 --> 2:14:29.960 that I was like, Yo, I gotta do right by her, 2:14:30.120 --> 2:14:31.960 Like that's the one thing I gotta do, Like I 2:14:32.040 --> 2:14:35.800 gotta do right. But I didn't, even even though I 2:14:35.920 --> 2:14:39.320 was raised in a family, an insulated family. Mother and father. 2:14:39.760 --> 2:14:42.440 They were neurotic Jews from New York. Like they they 2:14:42.600 --> 2:14:44.360 talked by yelling at each other, like you know what 2:14:44.360 --> 2:14:46.280 I'm saying, Like say that like it's a bad thing. 2:14:48.880 --> 2:14:51.360 You know what I'm saying. So like when we would 2:14:51.400 --> 2:14:54.040 have loving conversations, I'm like, no, this shit is wrong, 2:14:54.200 --> 2:14:55.880 Like I gotta go fuck up so that we can 2:14:55.920 --> 2:14:58.600 start yelling at each other and have a relationship, you 2:14:58.680 --> 2:15:01.760 know what I'm saying, Like you know. And we got 2:15:01.800 --> 2:15:04.520 to a point where she was like, I want to 2:15:04.560 --> 2:15:08.120 know everything. This was about six months ago. She said, 2:15:08.120 --> 2:15:10.520 I want to know everything. She because I need to 2:15:10.560 --> 2:15:16.240 know everything everything, everything, mean everything everything? Does she really 2:15:16.280 --> 2:15:20.320 want to know? She really wanted to So I wrote 2:15:20.360 --> 2:15:23.760 it down. I wrote it down in a letter everything. 2:15:23.880 --> 2:15:24.800 How long was that letter? 2:15:25.000 --> 2:15:27.160 I ain't lying whatever? You know? Some letter right? 2:15:27.280 --> 2:15:27.480 More? 2:15:29.080 --> 2:15:31.800 Nine pages? About to say, boy, that's yeah, nine pages? 2:15:32.560 --> 2:15:36.560 And it was It was tough. And to watch the 2:15:36.640 --> 2:15:39.600 pain in her face, to see the ship was tough. 2:15:40.000 --> 2:15:47.200 And yet and still she said, okay, okay, I love 2:15:47.280 --> 2:15:50.320 you unconditionally, rich or poor, sickness and in health to 2:15:50.400 --> 2:15:53.960 death to his part, I will work on this with you. 2:15:54.120 --> 2:15:56.960 We will work on this together. We will build. We 2:15:57.040 --> 2:15:59.960 will rebuild what you destroyed. And if we can't read 2:16:00.040 --> 2:16:03.560 build it, I'm out. You know this six months ago, 2:16:03.680 --> 2:16:07.600 this was wow. Yeah, that's amazing because it's what led 2:16:08.160 --> 2:16:08.680 to that point. 2:16:08.840 --> 2:16:10.880 Was that a part of your recovery, that something you No, 2:16:11.000 --> 2:16:12.600 it wasn't really just about my recovery. 2:16:12.640 --> 2:16:16.600 It was just I just needed that. Quan Slay's funny 2:16:16.600 --> 2:16:18.720 because Matthew's here and I'm like, damn, Matthew should have 2:16:18.760 --> 2:16:22.840 left a long time ago, right, Matthew. I told Matthew, 2:16:22.920 --> 2:16:25.240 And it was like, damn, I just got to grow 2:16:25.280 --> 2:16:27.560 the fuck up, Like I'm forty nine years old. I 2:16:27.560 --> 2:16:30.600 got to grow the fuck up like this is this 2:16:30.840 --> 2:16:34.320 is like the woman I've been with like forever, and 2:16:34.520 --> 2:16:37.200 she put up with me forever, and she gave me 2:16:37.320 --> 2:16:41.840 three amazing kids, and she like sacrificed and like, and 2:16:42.840 --> 2:16:45.080 I gotta make the next fifty years as good as 2:16:45.760 --> 2:16:47.400 you know, I gotta make I gotta. 2:16:47.160 --> 2:16:49.240 Make it right because music ain't gonna wipe your ass. 2:16:49.360 --> 2:16:52.359 No, music ain't gonna feed you. No, You're damn sure, right, Music. 2:16:52.200 --> 2:16:53.800 Ain't gonna help you when you're in the hospital all 2:16:53.879 --> 2:16:54.280 that stuff. 2:16:54.320 --> 2:16:56.880 So, you know, but music got me the life that 2:16:56.959 --> 2:17:00.720 we had. Music got you know, music took us around 2:17:00.760 --> 2:17:04.600 the world. Music got my kids into private university. Music 2:17:05.120 --> 2:17:08.280 got my kids to go on vacations. Music got me 2:17:08.440 --> 2:17:10.840 to build Echo on limited clothing. Music got me to 2:17:10.879 --> 2:17:13.720 be the head of promotions at Deaf Jam. Music got 2:17:13.800 --> 2:17:16.360 me the morning show at JLB. Music got me the 2:17:16.440 --> 2:17:19.040 White Rapper Show. Music got me Missrap, Supreme music got 2:17:19.120 --> 2:17:22.160 me Goo. Music got me you know, all of the things, 2:17:22.200 --> 2:17:25.040 all the blessings that I have is because of hip hop. 2:17:25.959 --> 2:17:28.840 And she is the biggest blessing and I took advantage 2:17:28.879 --> 2:17:31.119 of that for most of our marriage. And now it's 2:17:31.160 --> 2:17:32.320 about time to give back. 2:17:33.800 --> 2:17:39.680 Is about return if I were a cat that you know, 2:17:39.920 --> 2:17:42.600 because again I'm in the being in it. We're all 2:17:42.640 --> 2:17:47.280 in the industry, right and you know the challenges in 2:17:47.400 --> 2:17:50.199 the in the in the obstacles and all that stuff. 2:17:52.240 --> 2:17:55.240 I don't I couldn't do that with not a not 2:17:55.320 --> 2:17:59.880 a straight face, like just the confess no no, no, no, 2:18:00.040 --> 2:18:03.320 I meant just doing dirt and you know, cover my 2:18:03.520 --> 2:18:04.120 tracks and. 2:18:06.080 --> 2:18:07.119 It's like it's. 2:18:08.560 --> 2:18:10.640 But then on the other side, it's like, does that 2:18:10.720 --> 2:18:14.400 make me a self saboteury when I know, like, all right, well, 2:18:15.280 --> 2:18:19.080 you know, I know that one I'm more committed to 2:18:19.760 --> 2:18:23.560 my career than I am a real sustainable relationship. 2:18:23.760 --> 2:18:24.480 And I'm more. 2:18:25.879 --> 2:18:28.120 You know, I know that I might get bored or 2:18:28.480 --> 2:18:32.760 might fuck up or like I'd rather debt it and 2:18:33.280 --> 2:18:36.199 not fuck up or be the bad guy than. 2:18:36.240 --> 2:18:39.200 To waste somebody's time. 2:18:39.280 --> 2:18:41.080 Well, I don't well, I don't think that, you know 2:18:41.080 --> 2:18:43.279 what I'm saying. I don't think that it's necessarily wrong 2:18:43.520 --> 2:18:47.720 to be to say, Okay, you know, my career comes first, 2:18:47.800 --> 2:18:49.440 and you know, say, I don't think it's anything wrong 2:18:49.480 --> 2:18:51.000 with that. Honestly, I think it's kind of necessary. 2:18:51.200 --> 2:18:53.480 Like with music, and I can say this, and I 2:18:53.560 --> 2:18:56.640 know font's gonna appreciate this. When you make a great song. 2:18:57.280 --> 2:19:00.000 The only joy I've ever had greater than making great 2:19:00.000 --> 2:19:03.680 eight songs watching my children come into this work that 2:19:03.959 --> 2:19:06.000 I mean, and I hate to say that, Like I 2:19:06.200 --> 2:19:09.440 love my wife. I've had amazing moments with my wife. 2:19:09.520 --> 2:19:14.120 We've been to amazing places. But when I laid the 2:19:14.240 --> 2:19:20.039 verse for gas Face, it took one take, like I've 2:19:20.080 --> 2:19:24.880 had moments where that song has like transformed people's lives. 2:19:24.920 --> 2:19:27.840 I had a kid, I was in DC. I was 2:19:27.920 --> 2:19:31.840 at the Children's hospital for kids, were terminally ill children, 2:19:32.360 --> 2:19:34.320 and we Cactus album just came out and we went 2:19:34.400 --> 2:19:36.200 to make a visit. We were with a station there 2:19:36.240 --> 2:19:39.680 called PGC, and we made a visit and this kid 2:19:39.760 --> 2:19:41.640 came up to me and he said, black cat is 2:19:41.680 --> 2:19:43.600 bad luck. Bad guys were black. Must have been a 2:19:43.600 --> 2:19:45.760 white guy that started all that. And I looked up 2:19:46.560 --> 2:19:48.840 and there's about ten nurses behind him and his mother 2:19:48.920 --> 2:19:52.200 and they're bawling, and I just and he hugged me, 2:19:52.240 --> 2:19:54.400 and I hugged them and I'm like, yo, you spit 2:19:54.520 --> 2:19:57.480 some good rhyme, shorty. And he went and he went 2:19:57.600 --> 2:19:59.120 back and they came over to me and they said 2:19:59.160 --> 2:20:04.560 that's the first words said in his life. Oh whoa wow. 2:20:04.800 --> 2:20:07.440 And then I started palling, you know what I mean. Like, 2:20:07.520 --> 2:20:10.240 I've had moments where like we went to London and 2:20:10.360 --> 2:20:12.560 did gas face at a time where there was a 2:20:12.640 --> 2:20:17.080 British literally almost an overthrow called the poll tax. That 2:20:17.240 --> 2:20:19.400 was Parliament was trying to make a tax where they 2:20:19.520 --> 2:20:22.200 said that every member in a household had to pay 2:20:22.240 --> 2:20:25.920 a tax. So it really affected poor people because they 2:20:26.000 --> 2:20:29.880 had large like especially in Brixton and Brighton. In a 2:20:29.959 --> 2:20:32.480 hood you'd have ten or twelve people living under a 2:20:32.600 --> 2:20:36.440 roof and it would literally be like a year's salary 2:20:36.720 --> 2:20:40.680 just in tax. And there was graffiti everywhere, and I mean, 2:20:40.760 --> 2:20:43.960 I'm talking about like burning streets and people walking. And 2:20:44.080 --> 2:20:46.120 we're on tour with Pe and we do a show 2:20:46.160 --> 2:20:49.040 in Brixton and we're opening and we're about to do 2:20:49.160 --> 2:20:51.480 gas face and shut it down and I turned off. 2:20:51.560 --> 2:20:53.920 I told Rich cut the music and I went black 2:20:54.000 --> 2:20:57.360 cat as bad luck. Bad guys wear black must have 2:20:57.400 --> 2:20:59.520 been the same queen as set up the poll tax 2:21:01.760 --> 2:21:05.640 play started going crazy, people ran into the streets. The 2:21:05.720 --> 2:21:09.080 show was over the next day. The daily like third 2:21:09.160 --> 2:21:12.440 Base sets riots in Brixton and Yata and we're like 2:21:12.560 --> 2:21:15.160 in BBC and like tell us how you and I mean, 2:21:15.959 --> 2:21:19.040 but the only moments that I can equate to that 2:21:20.080 --> 2:21:22.960 is watching my like my children come into this world, 2:21:23.080 --> 2:21:27.480 like watching my wife give birth to our kids. Like music, 2:21:28.040 --> 2:21:33.320 there's something so powerful about music that defines and goes, 2:21:33.560 --> 2:21:36.400 especially for a musician. I'm not talking about music lovers. 2:21:36.840 --> 2:21:40.400 There are certain levels of music lovers, but creative people 2:21:40.560 --> 2:21:44.120 that have this gift from the most high that they 2:21:44.240 --> 2:21:48.080 can take something transcribed and then record it and then 2:21:48.160 --> 2:21:50.280 spend the hours in the studio to mix it and 2:21:50.400 --> 2:21:52.960 get it right and master it and then have it 2:21:53.080 --> 2:21:56.160 touch somebody six months later, and then a year later, 2:21:56.600 --> 2:21:59.360 and then five years later, and then ten years later 2:21:59.680 --> 2:22:03.320 and twenty years later. I mean, that's like, that's like giving, 2:22:03.520 --> 2:22:05.960 That's like raising a child, you know what I'm saying. 2:22:06.000 --> 2:22:08.280 And it's and and again. It's like one of the 2:22:08.400 --> 2:22:12.720 things that like, really I'm passionate about more than anything. 2:22:13.360 --> 2:22:16.080 Is this what I like to call a social music commune, 2:22:16.120 --> 2:22:20.360 about people that speak the language of music, not different 2:22:20.480 --> 2:22:24.160 languages or not different creeds or races or just who 2:22:24.440 --> 2:22:27.800 all speak the language of music, that have a mutual 2:22:28.520 --> 2:22:32.120 love of music. And about two years ago, my daughter 2:22:32.200 --> 2:22:33.680 came to me and she said, Dad, you know when 2:22:33.720 --> 2:22:35.720 I when I meet people, whether it's on Tender or 2:22:35.800 --> 2:22:39.680 Facebook or you know whatever, everybody always asks me like 2:22:40.120 --> 2:22:42.119 what kind of music I listened to? What's the first 2:22:42.720 --> 2:22:44.520 album I bought? Where did I you know, what show 2:22:44.560 --> 2:22:47.240 did I go to? And it's a connector And she said, 2:22:47.480 --> 2:22:50.080 is there is there an app out there that connects 2:22:50.120 --> 2:22:52.320 people on their mutual love of music. 2:22:52.480 --> 2:22:52.800 Haha. 2:22:53.680 --> 2:22:57.480 And I was like, huh huh. So I called my 2:22:57.600 --> 2:23:00.360 partner Ben, who is in Silicon Valley, and we spent 2:23:00.440 --> 2:23:03.400 six months and there was a couple of iterations. People 2:23:03.480 --> 2:23:07.240 tried it and they failed, and I met Matthew, my partner, 2:23:07.760 --> 2:23:10.240 and we built an app called a DO, and a 2:23:10.360 --> 2:23:14.160 DO is literally a social music commune that we're getting 2:23:14.200 --> 2:23:17.400 ready to put into beta that literally connects people on 2:23:17.480 --> 2:23:20.040 a mutual love of music. So whatever music you have 2:23:20.160 --> 2:23:26.200 in your your mobile device, the app will suck it 2:23:26.320 --> 2:23:29.680 in and break it down into genres. BPM's the music 2:23:29.760 --> 2:23:32.000 that you listen to the most. The algorithm will literally 2:23:32.120 --> 2:23:34.240 feed that. And then we put out what's called a 2:23:34.320 --> 2:23:36.960 tuner in a thousand mile radius and somebody else you 2:23:37.040 --> 2:23:39.840 can connect with and you can get we say you 2:23:39.879 --> 2:23:42.240 can get in tune with them. You can tune in 2:23:42.360 --> 2:23:44.560 or tune out. So when you tune in, it'll say, 2:23:44.640 --> 2:23:47.120 oh shit, funk got these songs. This is what we 2:23:47.200 --> 2:23:48.840 have in common, but this is what we don't have 2:23:48.959 --> 2:23:51.720 in common, Like I got like a j Cole like 2:23:52.520 --> 2:23:56.240 lights please unreleased joint that you might not even know 2:23:56.360 --> 2:23:59.640 about and you'll see it on your device, because this 2:23:59.720 --> 2:24:02.320 is the music that we don't share, and you'll send 2:24:02.400 --> 2:24:04.280 me a share button. I'll show you the app. When 2:24:04.280 --> 2:24:06.320 we leave, you'll send me a share and I can 2:24:06.400 --> 2:24:09.960 send you that song and we can build and then 2:24:09.959 --> 2:24:11.720 we have a whole chat about it. We can build 2:24:11.760 --> 2:24:15.320 and break bread just on music. And we're doing the beta. 2:24:15.520 --> 2:24:17.600 We're doing the beta now like we're setting the beta, 2:24:17.640 --> 2:24:19.400 and if you want to get on the beta, go 2:24:19.480 --> 2:24:22.000 to beta at get a do a due dot com. 2:24:22.120 --> 2:24:24.760 But it's that language that we all speak. It's the 2:24:24.840 --> 2:24:28.280 language you've spoken since you're eight years old. Bro, It's 2:24:28.320 --> 2:24:32.840 that language of music. And now I feel like if John. 2:24:32.959 --> 2:24:38.320 Who loves Son of Berserks changed the style. Yeah, wife, 2:24:38.440 --> 2:24:39.800 right there there is our marrier. 2:24:45.080 --> 2:24:46.440 Yeah, it sounded good though. 2:24:46.480 --> 2:24:52.720 That was nice set up. No, No, that's real. Because music, 2:24:52.800 --> 2:24:54.960 I think the music into I mean, I think that's 2:24:55.360 --> 2:24:57.480 it's such a big part of that reflects. It's such 2:24:57.520 --> 2:24:59.320 a big part. It's such a big part of who 2:24:59.360 --> 2:25:02.480 you are. And especially for us who are old enough 2:25:02.560 --> 2:25:04.960 to say, okay, we we knew Ohio players, but we 2:25:05.000 --> 2:25:08.080 also knew talking heads, and we also knew rapture, but 2:25:08.200 --> 2:25:11.640 we also knew Parliament Funkadelic, and we watched it develop 2:25:11.760 --> 2:25:14.760 into the Last Poets or the Last Poets developed into 2:25:14.840 --> 2:25:17.760 Lord Tim, and Lord Tim developed into sugar Hill, and 2:25:17.800 --> 2:25:21.840 sugar Hill developed, and we were we were privileged enough 2:25:22.760 --> 2:25:24.880 to be a part of that, to be a part 2:25:24.959 --> 2:25:28.680 of that, that language that we all got to speak, 2:25:28.800 --> 2:25:30.360 even though people you know what I'm saying. 2:25:30.760 --> 2:25:32.720 But it's interesting though, because let me ask the search 2:25:32.800 --> 2:25:36.039 because you're a big businessman of course, publishing a music industry, 2:25:36.200 --> 2:25:37.000 So how do you do this? 2:25:37.160 --> 2:25:40.119 How do you do this app and with the whole 2:25:40.400 --> 2:25:42.920 royalty thing and sharing? Does that come to a place. 2:25:43.560 --> 2:25:46.400 No, So just so we're clear, we're not a streaming service. Okay, 2:25:46.760 --> 2:25:48.480 that's a four letter word for me, Like I'm not 2:25:48.600 --> 2:25:51.039 gonna stream music, Like I'm not getting into that shit. 2:25:51.440 --> 2:25:54.600 The basis is very simple. You already owned the music 2:25:54.680 --> 2:25:57.720 that's on your playlist. You already owned the music that's 2:25:57.760 --> 2:26:01.000 in your library, not a playlist, your catalog. You already 2:26:01.080 --> 2:26:03.640 own that. So when you share it with me, I 2:26:03.720 --> 2:26:05.879 can listen to it, or I can buy it myself. 2:26:06.720 --> 2:26:09.120 I don't just have to keep it when you play 2:26:09.120 --> 2:26:11.160 it for me, I'll get a chance to listen to it, 2:26:11.480 --> 2:26:12.960 and I say, damn, I like that, and then I 2:26:13.040 --> 2:26:16.600 can press another button in my tuner and I can 2:26:16.640 --> 2:26:19.119 buy the record. But we won't be a streaming service. 2:26:19.200 --> 2:26:22.720 That's not what we're about. We're about people connecting on music. 2:26:22.800 --> 2:26:25.480 So an another thing we have is called the en 2:26:25.600 --> 2:26:28.640 sync option, where Sam might be walking by me and 2:26:28.720 --> 2:26:31.880 he'd be listening to Masters of Ceremony right, and then 2:26:31.959 --> 2:26:33.800 I'm happen to listen the same thing, and we'll get 2:26:33.800 --> 2:26:36.160 a ping and be like, oh shit, Sam's listening to 2:26:36.160 --> 2:26:38.199 the same song you're listening to. You care to tune 2:26:38.240 --> 2:26:41.080 in and we can tune in and then boom, I 2:26:41.160 --> 2:26:44.120 get his entire library. He gets my entire library, and 2:26:44.160 --> 2:26:46.480 I say, hey, what's up man, I'm Michael, Oh what's up? 2:26:46.520 --> 2:26:49.840 I'm Sam? Like, Yo, you got that Beacy Boy cookie? Push? Shit? Yo? 2:26:50.000 --> 2:26:51.760 Can you share that with me? And then he can 2:26:51.800 --> 2:26:53.840 share it with me in a matter of seconds, and 2:26:53.920 --> 2:26:55.720 then I can either buy it or I can go 2:26:55.800 --> 2:26:59.520 to you and say, damn, yo, amir, you remember this cookie? Pushit? 2:27:00.160 --> 2:27:01.920 Share it with you. You know what I mean? And 2:27:02.080 --> 2:27:04.680 it's that language of music, and that's a positive thing. 2:27:04.760 --> 2:27:08.480 In twenty seventeen. That you know, that's one good positive thing. Yeah, 2:27:09.200 --> 2:27:12.680 twenty seventeen, that's but ters. 2:27:12.720 --> 2:27:15.120 You just named like about five thousand businesses as you did, 2:27:15.200 --> 2:27:16.600 like it was from the TV shows. 2:27:16.680 --> 2:27:18.080 Because this is what I know of you. 2:27:18.280 --> 2:27:21.040 Your finger is always on the precipice of greatness before 2:27:21.080 --> 2:27:23.279 we know it, because you know even what you introduced 2:27:23.320 --> 2:27:25.560 me personally to Nouveau before it was the big thing. 2:27:26.320 --> 2:27:28.280 Why what is it? How you know? How do you know? 2:27:28.600 --> 2:27:30.959 I've just been I you know, it's funny. I've really 2:27:31.040 --> 2:27:35.080 been blessed in my life to be around trailblazers, and 2:27:35.160 --> 2:27:38.480 I've really watched them really really closely. I watched Russell 2:27:38.520 --> 2:27:41.320 and le Or build Deaf Jam Brick brought Brick. I 2:27:41.440 --> 2:27:44.960 watched Mark Echo build Echo Unlimited brick by Brick. I 2:27:45.120 --> 2:27:49.680 watched Russell take deaf Jam from its depths and bring 2:27:49.760 --> 2:27:53.280 it back brick by Brick. I watched you know. So 2:27:53.760 --> 2:28:01.080 I've been able to like learn, churn and earn based 2:28:01.120 --> 2:28:03.280 on all the knowledge I got. I've been so blessed 2:28:03.320 --> 2:28:05.280 to be around these people. I ask a lot of questions. 2:28:05.280 --> 2:28:07.440 That's why my boys call me search because I'm always 2:28:07.480 --> 2:28:10.520 looking for the answer. I'm always asking questions. I'm always 2:28:10.959 --> 2:28:13.280 trying to figure out what the next thing is, what 2:28:13.400 --> 2:28:16.400 the next thing is. And for me when my daughter, 2:28:16.640 --> 2:28:18.280 you know, and again my mother said it to me. 2:28:18.360 --> 2:28:22.360 She goes, you really won't understand what you created until 2:28:23.560 --> 2:28:27.200 you have your own children. And she said in a letter, 2:28:27.320 --> 2:28:31.000 And my daughter Mayana created a do what that was? 2:28:32.280 --> 2:28:35.400 It was her idea. She was a senior. She was 2:28:35.440 --> 2:28:39.400 going to be a senior at the university and shout 2:28:39.400 --> 2:28:42.960 out to the canes. So it's it's all of that 2:28:43.280 --> 2:28:45.920 playing itself. It's that born to born, you know what 2:28:45.920 --> 2:28:49.280 I'm saying. It's that that recycle. And I'm going to 2:28:49.320 --> 2:28:52.040 say something that might offend you a mirror, but I 2:28:52.160 --> 2:28:55.440 think the greatest tragedy in your life right now is 2:28:55.480 --> 2:28:58.480 that you don't have children. And I think that that 2:28:58.800 --> 2:29:03.120 to me. But the child that you're going to create 2:29:04.120 --> 2:29:07.440 is going to be so impassioned by so many things 2:29:07.480 --> 2:29:09.360 that develop who you are as a human being. And 2:29:09.480 --> 2:29:12.960 it's why I've had a friendship with you for so long, 2:29:13.040 --> 2:29:16.360 because you are true passionate artists. 2:29:16.560 --> 2:29:19.080 I assure you kids are coming, ladies and gentlemen, I 2:29:19.160 --> 2:29:28.680 hope so search we haven't even got to Darrel's. We 2:29:28.760 --> 2:29:31.520 got a half hour. I know, Okay, that's gonna be 2:29:31.600 --> 2:29:32.760 like a normal ass interview. 2:29:33.200 --> 2:29:36.240 Man. So you were talking about that dark period and 2:29:36.280 --> 2:29:38.120 I wanted to ask you about that. I know, I know, 2:29:38.520 --> 2:29:41.200 all right, rapid fire question. Yeah, okay, So. 2:29:41.240 --> 2:29:45.520 Dere looks that that was an album that I admittedly 2:29:45.640 --> 2:29:49.320 I was disappointed in and it was just to me, 2:29:49.480 --> 2:29:51.000 it's just and let me tell you why. I mean, 2:29:51.200 --> 2:29:52.840 look and listen to it now, it's like, oh, this 2:29:52.920 --> 2:29:55.800 shit was dope, But at the time it just felt 2:29:55.879 --> 2:29:59.080 really dark, like it just felt and I don't know, no, 2:29:59.360 --> 2:30:01.440 I think I think I think it just felt like 2:30:01.560 --> 2:30:03.640 some of the humor was there. It just felt like, man, like, 2:30:03.720 --> 2:30:05.000 this is a dark fucking record. 2:30:05.200 --> 2:30:07.800 Well, I think Derelic's a dialect was I think if 2:30:07.840 --> 2:30:10.320 you think about Problem Child, if you think about Derrels, 2:30:10.680 --> 2:30:12.520 like yo, it was a dark period for us. I mean, 2:30:12.600 --> 2:30:16.520 and the album cover of us as homeless old men, like, yeah, 2:30:16.600 --> 2:30:19.200 it was really dark. I remember. The funny thing is 2:30:19.240 --> 2:30:21.680 I remember the head of retail at Sony at the 2:30:21.720 --> 2:30:24.240 time we just turned into Sony Guy said to me, 2:30:24.320 --> 2:30:27.240 he goes, Yo, we can't this can't be the album cover. 2:30:27.360 --> 2:30:30.560 It's gonna turn off impulse buyers. I'm like that album. 2:30:30.920 --> 2:30:33.360 I'm like what he's like, Yeah, this is too dark. 2:30:33.440 --> 2:30:35.040 He's like, you got a record called Pop Goes the 2:30:35.080 --> 2:30:37.480 Weasel and you Pop in the Weasels and all of that, 2:30:37.640 --> 2:30:41.320 and this is dark shit. That record went golden fifteen days. 2:30:41.480 --> 2:30:43.560 On the sixteenth day, I was like, Yo, what's going 2:30:43.600 --> 2:30:47.959 on with those impulse buyers? Cocksucker, It's called fans, bitch, 2:30:48.040 --> 2:30:51.200 look at it. But it wasn't dark. And I was 2:30:51.280 --> 2:30:53.280 in a dark place. And Pete, we were in a 2:30:53.360 --> 2:30:55.440 dark place in our partnership. And I'm just gonna keep 2:30:55.440 --> 2:30:59.920 it one hundred. Pete and I just like you said, 2:31:00.040 --> 2:31:02.360 we were just like we were putting together. Yeah, we 2:31:02.400 --> 2:31:06.440 were arranged marriage. And by the second album, what we 2:31:06.600 --> 2:31:11.080 wanted was different, different. What did he want? So for me, 2:31:11.600 --> 2:31:15.440 I wanted I wanted a New York Street record, Like 2:31:15.680 --> 2:31:18.320 I was already like fucking with NAS and fucking with 2:31:18.440 --> 2:31:20.600 O C. And like I wanted, like I wanted to 2:31:20.720 --> 2:31:23.760 do that like my techniques and like that was the 2:31:23.800 --> 2:31:30.800 album I wanted to make ladies gentlemen, right, you know 2:31:30.920 --> 2:31:33.200 in als ABC's and like that was like I love 2:31:33.280 --> 2:31:38.240 that ship. Yeah, that was my show. And even Daddy 2:31:38.320 --> 2:31:40.000 Rich in Atlanta twelve ten. Ye, like you know what 2:31:40.040 --> 2:31:43.800 I'm saying, Like that was, but Pete really was like 2:31:44.120 --> 2:31:49.320 making these dark, archaic, like alternative samples and like because 2:31:49.360 --> 2:31:51.520 I was already with my wife. So he was a problem. 2:31:52.200 --> 2:31:55.640 He was the problem child, see because I don'g Godzilla 2:31:55.760 --> 2:32:01.840 is my ship? Yeah, like that was my that was 2:32:02.120 --> 2:32:04.480 Why was that not a single? I'll tell you. I 2:32:04.520 --> 2:32:06.640 felt like y'all could have because we fell out white, 2:32:07.400 --> 2:32:10.280 because we fell apart, because we fell apart when we 2:32:10.360 --> 2:32:12.760 went out with Popco's The Weasel, when we went out 2:32:12.800 --> 2:32:17.480 with that tour. No, we got thirty minutes. And please 2:32:17.520 --> 2:32:19.040 tell me how y'all got what's his name in the 2:32:19.120 --> 2:32:23.040 video to play Vanilla Ice? Oh Rollins? Henry Robinds. You 2:32:23.080 --> 2:32:27.120 get Henry Robins. Jesse Jesse Himmelman aka Jesse Dylon was 2:32:27.200 --> 2:32:31.880 best friends. Jesse Dillon directed that video. Oh that's it, Okay, Okay, 2:32:32.120 --> 2:32:35.960 that's crazy. So Bob Dylan's son, right, But he wasn't 2:32:36.000 --> 2:32:39.720 going by Dylan. He was going by Jesse Himmelman, right, right, 2:32:40.200 --> 2:32:44.240 So but he directed the video. So I was in 2:32:44.320 --> 2:32:46.400 a very different place in nineteen ninety one. I I 2:32:47.160 --> 2:32:49.560 didn't want to be the kid who is freestyling with 2:32:49.680 --> 2:32:52.400 shak G and Tupac in the lobby till four o'clock 2:32:52.400 --> 2:32:53.840 in the morning. Like I didn't want to be the 2:32:53.879 --> 2:32:56.119 one who was running around being a clown in his underwear, 2:32:56.240 --> 2:32:58.400 you know, laughing, you know, and all of that shit. 2:32:58.720 --> 2:33:00.400 Like I wanted to have my wife on the road, 2:33:00.480 --> 2:33:02.440 like I promised her, like I would take her to 2:33:02.480 --> 2:33:05.000 see the world. So I was like, we all made decisions, 2:33:05.040 --> 2:33:06.640 like who you want to have on the road. So 2:33:06.720 --> 2:33:08.440 Peple was like, yo, I want my man shot Meek 2:33:08.959 --> 2:33:11.080 and Rich said I want this person. I said, yoa, 2:33:11.080 --> 2:33:17.840 I want Chantelle And they were like huh fun crusher. Yeah, 2:33:18.720 --> 2:33:21.800 but shan't tell. Like, but chant tell like you got it. 2:33:21.920 --> 2:33:24.440 She's a fucking g Like she told all of them 2:33:24.480 --> 2:33:26.920 to the fake that their faced, like I don't give 2:33:26.920 --> 2:33:28.760 a fuck about your girls. Fuck who you want to fuck. 2:33:28.760 --> 2:33:31.080 As long as my man is straight, I'm good. She 2:33:31.120 --> 2:33:33.680 would like set up towels and water for us on 2:33:33.800 --> 2:33:35.080 the side of the stage. She didn't have to do 2:33:35.200 --> 2:33:38.080 that shit. She would do it. She made friendship bracelets 2:33:38.120 --> 2:33:41.400 with the girls and like she she just did her shit, 2:33:41.560 --> 2:33:43.760 like she wasn't getting in anybody's way, and Pete was 2:33:43.800 --> 2:33:45.760 doing his dirt and like we weren't getting in the way. 2:33:46.000 --> 2:33:48.160 And then one night in Saint Louis, like he decides 2:33:48.200 --> 2:33:50.800 that he wants to just come fuck some chicks in 2:33:50.840 --> 2:33:53.520 the back of the bus. And we're like, okay, whatever, 2:33:53.680 --> 2:33:55.720 But the bus drivers can only drive for a certain 2:33:55.720 --> 2:33:58.840 amount of time of night before they have to pull over. 2:33:59.440 --> 2:34:02.000 And he had a place, We had some place to go, 2:34:02.840 --> 2:34:04.480 and where we did the show in Saint Louis was 2:34:04.520 --> 2:34:06.440 an hour away from the venue, so it had taken 2:34:06.520 --> 2:34:08.400 us and he wanted to take them back because their 2:34:08.480 --> 2:34:11.160 car was back at the venue. I was like, Yo, 2:34:11.280 --> 2:34:14.040 get them tricks off the fucking bus man of the cafe, right, 2:34:14.120 --> 2:34:16.320 like the get these holes off the bus man. It's 2:34:16.360 --> 2:34:16.720 time to go. 2:34:17.879 --> 2:34:19.960 And I went into my bunk and what happened was 2:34:20.040 --> 2:34:23.200 Pete got off the bus and he flew back to 2:34:23.280 --> 2:34:26.000 New York is in the middle of the tour. In 2:34:26.040 --> 2:34:28.400 the middle of the tour. Wow, So we pull into 2:34:28.560 --> 2:34:32.200 South Carolina. We put in tour manager, a guy named 2:34:32.200 --> 2:34:32.800 Mark Pearson. 2:34:33.440 --> 2:34:36.440 So he goes back to New York. I don't notice 2:34:37.000 --> 2:34:39.520 We're going over Friday's receipts and I see that he 2:34:39.600 --> 2:34:41.440 took three days of per diem when he wasn't on 2:34:41.520 --> 2:34:43.880 the road. And typically what we would do is we 2:34:43.959 --> 2:34:46.000 would give that to the dances, you know, or give 2:34:46.040 --> 2:34:47.520 it to our crew, like you know what I'm saying, 2:34:47.600 --> 2:34:50.800 Like whatever, So I said to I said to Mark, 2:34:50.840 --> 2:34:52.640 I said, Mark, you know, why'd you give them the padem? 2:34:52.680 --> 2:34:54.400 He goes, Yo, just go talk to Pete. He's on 2:34:54.480 --> 2:34:57.520 some shit. So I go to the room and I 2:34:57.640 --> 2:34:59.920 see my two dancers who were my boys I grew up, 2:35:00.120 --> 2:35:02.760 Me and GYP with like sub Rock and KMD like 2:35:02.840 --> 2:35:05.440 my man. I'm met in Otis like my people. They're 2:35:05.440 --> 2:35:08.400 sitting around Pete and I'm like, Pete, why'd you take 2:35:08.560 --> 2:35:10.280 per diem for three days on the road? 2:35:10.360 --> 2:35:10.480 You know? 2:35:10.600 --> 2:35:12.760 You know, we give that to the dances. And he's 2:35:12.800 --> 2:35:14.840 on the phone and he goes, well, if your bitch 2:35:14.959 --> 2:35:16.920 wasn't on the road, I wouldn't have to go home. Ah, 2:35:18.560 --> 2:35:20.480 And I said, what did you just say? He said, 2:35:20.520 --> 2:35:22.480 you heard me. If your bitch wasn't on I said, yeah, 2:35:22.520 --> 2:35:23.920 you need to come out here and catch this ass 2:35:23.959 --> 2:35:26.880 whipping real quick. Hey. He's like what are you going 2:35:26.920 --> 2:35:28.640 to do? Slap me? I said, no, you you look 2:35:28.720 --> 2:35:30.360 like a grown ass man. I'm gonna beat your fucking 2:35:30.440 --> 2:35:35.520 ass right damn. So he's not coming out. He's and 2:35:35.840 --> 2:35:38.360 what happens is he's on the phone with Leor and 2:35:38.440 --> 2:35:41.880 Leor and they're hearing this. So I called Leor and 2:35:42.120 --> 2:35:44.680 at the time, our booking agent, Lee Stoleman, was working 2:35:44.720 --> 2:35:46.880 at Rush and I said, look, how many weeks we 2:35:46.959 --> 2:35:49.600 got in deposits on the tour? He said another two 2:35:49.680 --> 2:35:52.879 weeks and we already we had taken Cypress on the road. 2:35:53.200 --> 2:35:56.160 Cypress was our opening act. So like we're like I 2:35:56.879 --> 2:35:58.360 said to Lee, I said, look, we got to come 2:35:58.400 --> 2:36:02.240 off the road and regroup. Don't take any more deposits 2:36:02.280 --> 2:36:05.400 on this tour. And right now, like Popco Zuis is 2:36:05.480 --> 2:36:07.160 number two in the country, it's like number two pop 2:36:07.160 --> 2:36:09.600 Wreck in the country. Like we're selling out like ten 2:36:09.640 --> 2:36:12.240 thy twelve thousand seed arenas, like we're doing our thing. 2:36:12.280 --> 2:36:14.560 I'm like, look, we need to regroup. We need to 2:36:14.600 --> 2:36:16.200 come off this tour. We need to come off this 2:36:16.320 --> 2:36:19.920 road and regroup. So the tour was going towards New York. 2:36:20.040 --> 2:36:22.840 We land in Philly. It's the last night of what 2:36:22.959 --> 2:36:25.199 I think is the last show. I've been traveling behind 2:36:25.280 --> 2:36:27.160 the tour bus in a car, in a rental car 2:36:27.560 --> 2:36:32.039 with my girl, like not even going near them. At 2:36:32.080 --> 2:36:37.160 the Philly show, Pete's girlfriend, Daddy Rich's girlfriend, they those 2:36:37.240 --> 2:36:40.680 guys told their girlfriends that my girl was fucking up 2:36:40.760 --> 2:36:43.320 the relationship in the group, they try to jump my 2:36:43.400 --> 2:36:45.760 wife up behind on the side of the stage. Wait 2:36:45.840 --> 2:36:50.160 what yeah, Pete's girl and this girl Monet, who's richest girl, 2:36:50.200 --> 2:36:53.000 they try to jump my girl Like I'm like watching 2:36:53.080 --> 2:36:54.920 this from the side of Like I'm like so, I'm 2:36:54.959 --> 2:36:56.560 not even like I'll do my verse and get off 2:36:56.600 --> 2:36:58.680 stage and like protect my girl. Like that was it. 2:36:59.440 --> 2:37:03.240 I'm all my way home. I'm on my way home. 2:37:03.320 --> 2:37:06.199 I'm on my way home. And I said, Yo, I said, 2:37:06.560 --> 2:37:08.640 this shit is crazy. I'm on I'm literally on the 2:37:08.760 --> 2:37:12.440 phone and I'm saying to Leor like Leo, this shit 2:37:12.520 --> 2:37:14.320 is crazy, Like they just try to jump my girl 2:37:14.360 --> 2:37:16.200 and ya da da da dah, and he goes. We 2:37:16.280 --> 2:37:18.920 booked another three weeks and I said, ah, damn, I said, 2:37:18.959 --> 2:37:20.920 you just killed the group. I said, you just killed 2:37:20.959 --> 2:37:22.720 the group. Because at the end of these three weeks, 2:37:22.760 --> 2:37:26.600 I'm done. So those three weeks, I would literally get 2:37:26.640 --> 2:37:29.560 on stage and Dispete in front of our crowds, like, 2:37:29.680 --> 2:37:32.160 instead of Pete, tell him manifest this like in words 2:37:32.200 --> 2:37:36.880 of wisdom, I say, yo, bitch, tell him wow. And 2:37:36.959 --> 2:37:39.280 I would come off stage when he would rhyme, and 2:37:39.360 --> 2:37:41.000 when he was finished, I'd come on stage and do 2:37:41.080 --> 2:37:43.560 my verse and then leave the stage. And the audience 2:37:43.680 --> 2:37:46.520 was no, no, no, they were Oh they would, they would. 2:37:46.600 --> 2:37:49.960 MTV was Kurt Loder, Yo problems with third Base got 2:37:49.959 --> 2:37:51.640 the number one record in the country, and the great 2:37:51.840 --> 2:37:57.480 group is falling apart. And I basically told I told Leo, 2:37:57.560 --> 2:38:00.680 I told Leora and Russell like I'm done. And my 2:38:00.760 --> 2:38:02.560 wife is like, you know, is this really what you want? 2:38:02.600 --> 2:38:05.119 And I said yeah, And I said, in fact, I said, 2:38:05.240 --> 2:38:09.120 let's go get married. Let's go get married. Fuck them, 2:38:09.200 --> 2:38:12.600 let's get married. Like I'm ready. And she's like, well, 2:38:12.640 --> 2:38:14.960 I've been ready. So we got our blood work, we 2:38:15.040 --> 2:38:16.720 got our blood work. The one day we went to 2:38:16.840 --> 2:38:22.039 Queens County, We went to Queen's County Court, got married, 2:38:22.160 --> 2:38:24.600 and I headed out to La to live with my man. 2:38:24.959 --> 2:38:31.400 Epic from Wolf Epic right it comes, Yeah, that's exactly right. 2:38:32.840 --> 2:38:34.800 I have so many questions about returning of the product, 2:38:35.320 --> 2:38:37.680 so I go to live with them. I started recording 2:38:37.760 --> 2:38:40.039 Return of the Product. I'm with wolf Fin Epic. We're 2:38:40.080 --> 2:38:42.080 doing hard but true. Here it comes like all of 2:38:42.160 --> 2:38:45.000 that ship. I'm in LA just like chilling, like I'm chilling, 2:38:45.080 --> 2:38:46.880 like me and my wife, we're just chilling. I don't 2:38:46.879 --> 2:38:48.520 even want to go back to New York. I got 2:38:48.560 --> 2:38:50.320 a house there. I'm not even in there, like I'm 2:38:50.360 --> 2:38:52.520 paying bills like cross Country. Yah da da da da. 2:38:53.879 --> 2:38:55.960 Russell says, Yo, you gotta come home. This is this 2:38:56.080 --> 2:38:58.400 is enough. It's it's enough. You gotta come home. I 2:38:58.480 --> 2:39:00.760 come home. I go to see him here that apartment 2:39:00.840 --> 2:39:03.480 shares old apartment on West fourth Street. I go upstairs. 2:39:04.080 --> 2:39:07.400 He's trying to yell at me. I'm like, I grabbed 2:39:07.440 --> 2:39:09.520 the Dead Player. I put in his that machine. I 2:39:09.600 --> 2:39:12.600 play here it comes. He starts hearing here it comes, 2:39:12.640 --> 2:39:16.400 and he starts bouncing on his bed like this, Oh 2:39:16.480 --> 2:39:21.560 my god. We okay, you could do the solo record. 2:39:21.760 --> 2:39:26.520 And that's how the solo record happened. Wow. And but 2:39:26.640 --> 2:39:28.440 that was a dark but that was the dark place, 2:39:28.480 --> 2:39:31.800 and it started with the darkness of the recording of 2:39:31.879 --> 2:39:35.560 the album. It started with you know, Pete being like 2:39:35.720 --> 2:39:39.280 disillusioned and me being disillusioned with the partnership. It started 2:39:39.360 --> 2:39:42.600 with a lot of that, and and really the relationship 2:39:42.680 --> 2:39:46.000 started with he challenged me. I didn't really feel like 2:39:46.040 --> 2:39:48.080 I was making great records as a solo artist when 2:39:48.080 --> 2:39:49.600 I was with Sam. Sever Like as soon as I 2:39:49.680 --> 2:39:51.160 heard Words of Wisdom, I was like, oh, I gotta 2:39:51.200 --> 2:39:54.560 set my fucking game up hardest, hardest Chinese arithmetic. Like 2:39:54.640 --> 2:39:57.000 I wasn't thinking no shit like that, Like I I 2:39:57.040 --> 2:39:59.120 gotta I gotta step my game up, you know what 2:39:59.160 --> 2:40:00.880 I mean? Like in and that's what I did. Like 2:40:00.959 --> 2:40:05.320 he challenged me, I wasn't challenged. Yeah, it just didn't 2:40:05.360 --> 2:40:08.640 sound like it sounded like whatever fun or passion. It 2:40:08.760 --> 2:40:11.120 was gone. Yeah, you're absolutely right. I was like, man, 2:40:11.959 --> 2:40:14.280 and it's you know, and it's it sucked the life. 2:40:14.360 --> 2:40:16.520 That album sucked the life out of me and more 2:40:16.560 --> 2:40:19.240 ways than one. And also there was a transition in 2:40:19.360 --> 2:40:21.320 our audience that sucked the life out of me. 2:40:21.440 --> 2:40:23.360 That was my next question because I'm like, if y'all 2:40:23.440 --> 2:40:25.760 are number two of pop goes the Weasel, is that 2:40:25.959 --> 2:40:29.920 audience audience looking like Yeah, like whatever, like. 2:40:30.560 --> 2:40:33.800 Club MTV and YO, and you know what's funny about 2:40:33.800 --> 2:40:36.920 Club MTV. I wouldn't say anything to Julie Brown because 2:40:36.920 --> 2:40:38.440 I didn't respect us, So she would put the mic 2:40:38.480 --> 2:40:40.600 in front of me, and I just kept my mouth closed, 2:40:41.080 --> 2:40:43.400 and then she would go to Pete and Pete would talk, 2:40:43.440 --> 2:40:44.920 and then she'd asked me a question. I kept my 2:40:45.000 --> 2:40:47.280 mouth closed. I didn't want to be there, like I 2:40:47.400 --> 2:40:49.000 look go ahead, because. 2:40:48.760 --> 2:40:52.480 The thing is, there's something happening with the transition of 2:40:52.560 --> 2:41:00.080 hip hop between eighty nine and ninety four, and what 2:41:00.200 --> 2:41:02.800 it is is like by the time we arrived in 2:41:02.879 --> 2:41:06.760 ninety four, it's cool to embrace your alternative arty, absolutely 2:41:07.280 --> 2:41:07.680 and I. 2:41:07.760 --> 2:41:10.240 Knew the new face of what hip hop for the 2:41:10.320 --> 2:41:11.760 next gazillion years. 2:41:11.879 --> 2:41:14.720 But there was there was so much slack that you know, 2:41:14.879 --> 2:41:17.720 the source was given cypress hil for like who these 2:41:17.760 --> 2:41:20.120 white boys in the audience are attracted and like even 2:41:20.160 --> 2:41:24.400 the source didn't understand what was going on. So you 2:41:24.560 --> 2:41:28.119 guys were a part of You're seeing the audience literally 2:41:28.240 --> 2:41:30.320 changed and it doesn't look like the Latin quarter. 2:41:30.240 --> 2:41:32.840 No more, no not even doesn't look like the Latin quarter. 2:41:33.959 --> 2:41:36.240 We I mean, we went from having like literally on 2:41:36.320 --> 2:41:38.840 pop Go Zuisa. We would have like shows at the 2:41:38.879 --> 2:41:42.200 Palladium in La where it's like all black crowds to 2:41:42.360 --> 2:41:46.400 doing Roanoke Virginia and college kids jumping on our stage 2:41:46.400 --> 2:41:49.000 and hugging our dancers and flying into the audience and 2:41:49.120 --> 2:41:52.400 like surfing, Like I'll never forget the first time that happened. 2:41:52.640 --> 2:41:55.200 Our dancer, our med thought somebody was rushing him and 2:41:55.320 --> 2:41:57.440 like body slammed it due to the ground and he 2:41:57.560 --> 2:42:00.200 was like and didn't understand. He just jumped in, just 2:42:00.680 --> 2:42:03.400 got stage dived, And we're like, what the fuck is 2:42:03.480 --> 2:42:06.400 going on? Like we're going to like pop stations and 2:42:06.480 --> 2:42:09.480 we're telling pop stations like you realize we're dissing you 2:42:09.640 --> 2:42:13.879 on this record, Like you do realize we're disincaparating. You're 2:42:13.959 --> 2:42:16.440 not playing day La Soul, You're not playing a tribe 2:42:16.480 --> 2:42:19.520 called Quest. You're playing Hammer and Vanilla Wafer Like you're 2:42:19.520 --> 2:42:23.039 playing bullshit, Like you should be playing Big Daddy Kane. 2:42:23.080 --> 2:42:26.280 You should be playing Queen Latifa, you should be playing Tribe, 2:42:26.320 --> 2:42:29.280 you should be playing pe like that's real hip hop. 2:42:29.320 --> 2:42:33.400 And they're like now SEC Music Factory like and I'm 2:42:33.440 --> 2:42:36.920 like I'm like fuck, Like what who am I talking to? Like, 2:42:37.000 --> 2:42:39.400 I don't even know these people, And again going back 2:42:39.440 --> 2:42:41.360 to the whole thing, I have to protect hip hop, 2:42:42.000 --> 2:42:43.640 but I'm at a point where i don't even know 2:42:43.680 --> 2:42:45.600 what hip hop is when I'm looking at these dudes, 2:42:45.600 --> 2:42:48.320 I don't even know what you produced pop goes U 2:42:48.720 --> 2:42:52.880 S fifties, So like at the time, is this like 2:42:52.920 --> 2:42:55.720 almost like a fight for your right thing where it's like, okay, 2:42:55.840 --> 2:42:58.640 so no, I always thought that she was dope, like 2:42:58.720 --> 2:43:00.680 I thought that sample was. No. 2:43:00.840 --> 2:43:04.080 It is, though, but you didn't realize that it might 2:43:04.160 --> 2:43:06.960 come to bite you in the ass, turn you into 2:43:07.000 --> 2:43:07.640 the very thing. 2:43:09.080 --> 2:43:11.840 Right, No, no, not at all what we say hip 2:43:11.840 --> 2:43:14.400 hop got turned into hip hop. The second record was 2:43:14.480 --> 2:43:16.480 number one on the pop charts, But don't get on 2:43:16.520 --> 2:43:18.000 the heart that got to start in the ghetto that 2:43:18.120 --> 2:43:20.800 no one forget about the hard part. Now, in ninety one, 2:43:20.800 --> 2:43:22.520 we got a new band, a new brand looking like 2:43:22.600 --> 2:43:25.240 the same old clan, same old thieves as schemes, So 2:43:25.320 --> 2:43:27.520 we got to make sure that real rappers got to endure. 2:43:27.760 --> 2:43:29.520 And I'm looking at these white boys that are like 2:43:30.560 --> 2:43:32.200 and I'm like, you don't even know who the fuck 2:43:32.240 --> 2:43:36.720 I'm talking about, the same thing. Yeah, you know what 2:43:36.720 --> 2:43:38.920 I'm saying. But at least public enemy, they were smart 2:43:39.000 --> 2:43:41.440 enough to educate the people. Like Chuck would look at 2:43:41.480 --> 2:43:43.240 these people and say, you are not my enemy, but 2:43:43.320 --> 2:43:45.680 here's why you were my enemy. You know. He would 2:43:45.720 --> 2:43:48.800 have that conversation like we weren't having a conversation. We 2:43:48.879 --> 2:43:51.880 were like, you guys look like dicks, Like we don't 2:43:51.920 --> 2:43:56.600 look nothing like you, Like we are nothing. I hated 2:43:56.640 --> 2:43:58.400 those kids. And you know what a lot of those 2:43:58.480 --> 2:44:00.160 guys now that come up to me and they're like 2:44:00.560 --> 2:44:02.840 CEOs of companies and like, dude, we used to rock 2:44:02.920 --> 2:44:05.000 you and you know the frat and I'm like, yes, 2:44:05.240 --> 2:44:09.200 let's do business. So it's really funny, like now I'm 2:44:09.240 --> 2:44:11.199 glad you respect me. Like I need I need money 2:44:11.240 --> 2:44:13.280 for a dude, We're doing this DC fund and like 2:44:13.360 --> 2:44:15.800 we need to raise money. Here's my mayn and Matthew like, yo, 2:44:15.879 --> 2:44:17.879 let's let's raise this capital. Because you were a frat 2:44:17.879 --> 2:44:19.960 boy who liked you know, Pop goes the weasel, so 2:44:20.160 --> 2:44:21.800 like you know what I'm saying, goes to weasel crowd. 2:44:21.840 --> 2:44:23.560 When y'all did, what would the response be like when 2:44:23.640 --> 2:44:25.520 y'all did, like a Brooklyn Queens or. 2:44:26.040 --> 2:44:28.119 Like they loved it. They liked it, but I'm yeah, 2:44:28.120 --> 2:44:29.800 they would fuck with it. But for me, like as 2:44:29.840 --> 2:44:32.480 soon as shit was done, like the greatest thing that 2:44:32.560 --> 2:44:34.879 happened to me was my solo album because Nas came 2:44:34.920 --> 2:44:36.840 into my life, you know what I mean, and oh 2:44:36.959 --> 2:44:40.000 C was already in my life, and like that brought 2:44:40.080 --> 2:44:43.240 me back home. Like even in LA, I was twisted. 2:44:43.720 --> 2:44:46.240 Like in LA, I'm making these happy hard but true. 2:44:46.360 --> 2:44:49.119 I'm talking about you know, Zora and Neil, and I'm 2:44:49.120 --> 2:44:51.440 talking about like how hard it is to be truthful 2:44:51.480 --> 2:44:53.959 to who you are. And I'm like and I'm letting 2:44:53.959 --> 2:44:56.120 my man reefing, I'm letting my May and Mattie see here, 2:44:56.160 --> 2:44:58.320 and they're like, yo, Bi, you got to get back 2:44:58.360 --> 2:45:01.160 to the street, like here's some peace, like go go listen. 2:45:01.600 --> 2:45:03.520 And like that's when I made, you know, back to 2:45:05.360 --> 2:45:11.120 the grill. T Ray double xp so so yeah, so 2:45:11.320 --> 2:45:13.120 and then you know, and then that brought me back, 2:45:13.240 --> 2:45:14.960 like and meeting Nas and doing all of that that 2:45:15.879 --> 2:45:17.960 how did you know that t Ray oh I had 2:45:18.000 --> 2:45:25.800 the double Xboxy album. I thought I was knocketting on 2:45:25.879 --> 2:45:26.600 the edge of the door. 2:45:29.200 --> 2:45:35.760 Id no, no. 2:45:35.840 --> 2:45:38.400 No, So I mean, so that was What really brought 2:45:38.480 --> 2:45:41.120 me back is like when Nas came into the studio 2:45:41.320 --> 2:45:43.320 refin stretch and was like, yo, I need help. Like 2:45:43.400 --> 2:45:46.120 I was like, this is has sham. This is the 2:45:46.200 --> 2:45:48.160 most high, like bringing me back to where I need 2:45:48.240 --> 2:45:50.280 to be helping a queen's m C and like doing 2:45:50.360 --> 2:45:54.400 what I should be doing, which is protecting artists, you 2:45:54.440 --> 2:45:57.040 know what I mean. So the baseball car stuff, what 2:45:57.160 --> 2:45:59.840 was that with Peter? So the other thing, well, so 2:46:00.200 --> 2:46:04.440 Pete has been in some interesting situations post third Base. 2:46:04.560 --> 2:46:07.480 One of the things first was his Frill solo album 2:46:07.760 --> 2:46:12.160 was a Kick kickbo was right, I remember Dust the Dust. 2:46:12.240 --> 2:46:14.480 I remember that was the first time I remember reading 2:46:14.640 --> 2:46:18.440 an exec actually say that they were worried about how 2:46:18.480 --> 2:46:21.680 a record was going to sell and that I was like, damn, 2:46:21.840 --> 2:46:24.280 they just Russell. He was like, yeah, we don't know 2:46:24.360 --> 2:46:25.880 how this is going to do. I'm like, well, damn, 2:46:26.320 --> 2:46:29.360 so much for fourteen shots of the don't right? 2:46:30.320 --> 2:46:32.800 Right right? But at least fourteen shots went platinum. I 2:46:32.879 --> 2:46:36.879 mean it's still you know, you know, but yeah, Pete 2:46:36.920 --> 2:46:40.000 told fourteen thousand records on that Damn I sold four 2:46:40.120 --> 2:46:42.800 hundred and fifty thousand, Like I think right now, return 2:46:42.840 --> 2:46:45.120 the products at like seven hundred and fifty thousand, and 2:46:45.320 --> 2:46:48.680 Pete set like fourteen thousand. Damn, so I was two 2:46:48.720 --> 2:46:52.240 of them. Good for you. I'm glad. I'm glad for 2:46:52.320 --> 2:46:56.400 you because I don't have to. I'm loyal anyway, No, no, no, 2:46:56.520 --> 2:46:59.400 but anyway. But but so, Pete was always in love 2:46:59.440 --> 2:47:01.880 with baseball. He would always like go hunting for like 2:47:02.560 --> 2:47:06.800 rare artifacts of baseball, baseball artifacts, cards, gloves like that's 2:47:06.840 --> 2:47:09.160 been his passion for a long time. I guess what 2:47:09.360 --> 2:47:11.440 I had heard, And if you really want to see 2:47:11.520 --> 2:47:15.080 the whole thing, you have to google Peter Nash. There's 2:47:15.240 --> 2:47:18.280 there's a five thousand word essay that Sports Illustrated did 2:47:18.320 --> 2:47:21.720 on it. So supposedly, from what I understand, is that 2:47:21.920 --> 2:47:27.640 Pete got involved in some counterfeit signatures and counterfeit baseball 2:47:27.760 --> 2:47:31.520 card collecting, and he basically sold them to a very 2:47:31.720 --> 2:47:35.080 high and well known like the j Z of collecting, 2:47:35.160 --> 2:47:38.400 this guy, Barry Liftson, and he gave and Barry Listen 2:47:38.480 --> 2:47:41.039 gave him loans of up to eight hundred and seventy 2:47:41.080 --> 2:47:46.320 five thousand dollars against this phony cards, and then he 2:47:46.560 --> 2:47:48.640 told Pete that he had like a certain amount of 2:47:48.680 --> 2:47:51.720 time to pay. Pete wouldn't pay, and then he had 2:47:51.800 --> 2:47:54.360 the stuff like insured or try to, you know, and 2:47:54.440 --> 2:47:57.800 then they found out it was worthless. So Pete, damn. 2:47:58.040 --> 2:48:01.080 I think I think Pete has a warrant. I don't 2:48:01.120 --> 2:48:03.000 know what's going on. I think there's some warrants for 2:48:03.200 --> 2:48:06.720 Jersey in New York that is not really on the run. 2:48:07.320 --> 2:48:11.840 I know he doesn't have a cell phone, like I know. 2:48:12.040 --> 2:48:15.480 I know that to get in touch with him, there's 2:48:15.600 --> 2:48:18.640 one number that you can call on like a Wednesday, 2:48:19.400 --> 2:48:21.600 and it's somebody I don't want to know. 2:48:21.680 --> 2:48:22.560 I don't know, I don't know. 2:48:22.800 --> 2:48:26.360 Yeah, it's it's something. But I mean, Pete is definitely 2:48:26.480 --> 2:48:31.040 trying to fix it, like he's trying to like point 2:48:31.080 --> 2:48:33.920 out other scams. Like I think he's trying his Twitter 2:48:34.000 --> 2:48:36.240 thing as wholes of shame, Like he's trying to like 2:48:36.640 --> 2:48:39.960 point out other counterfeiters now so that people don't fall 2:48:40.000 --> 2:48:43.000 into the same trap. He's claiming that he didn't know, Okay, 2:48:43.080 --> 2:48:47.000 but I've heard that that's not accurate. Yeah, that's not accurate. 2:48:47.240 --> 2:48:51.480 Dann And and Daddy Rich. Look, the bottom line is this. 2:48:51.959 --> 2:48:54.320 I will never go on stage with Third Base ever again. 2:48:54.440 --> 2:48:58.440 It's it's just done. I tried in twenty thirteen as 2:48:58.480 --> 2:49:00.200 a favorite to a friend. We did a show at 2:49:00.320 --> 2:49:04.600 SRB and Brooklyn as a favor, and we got on 2:49:04.720 --> 2:49:07.360 stage and I had a good time, but I was 2:49:07.440 --> 2:49:10.200 so I already have a tremor as it is from 2:49:10.320 --> 2:49:12.800 like medication that I take. But I was on stage 2:49:12.840 --> 2:49:16.680 literally like this. I couldn't control it. And it was 2:49:16.720 --> 2:49:18.640 nervous energy and it was excitement. It was a lot 2:49:18.680 --> 2:49:20.600 of different things that my father's watching and I'm like, 2:49:21.080 --> 2:49:25.640 I'm just like shaking and but whatever. For whatever reason, 2:49:25.760 --> 2:49:28.280 we got a whole bunch of dates after that. Oh wow. 2:49:29.040 --> 2:49:33.520 So then we do another date and a festival in 2:49:33.640 --> 2:49:37.120 Indiana and my wife is looking at me like, oh God, 2:49:37.320 --> 2:49:41.120 like I don't really want this life again, like and 2:49:41.280 --> 2:49:43.600 I don't want this. So she says to me, she 2:49:43.840 --> 2:49:45.280 you know, she finally said, because I said to her, 2:49:45.280 --> 2:49:48.880 I was like, look, they're putting together a European tour, 2:49:49.160 --> 2:49:51.480 like thirty dates like and She's like, look, if you 2:49:51.560 --> 2:49:53.320 do that, like you might as well just divorce me. 2:49:53.360 --> 2:49:56.920 I don't want that life. So I said to our 2:49:57.000 --> 2:49:59.680 road manager at the time, my Manikey Palms. I was 2:49:59.720 --> 2:50:01.320 like yeah, oh you know, I'm sorry. I'm not doing 2:50:01.360 --> 2:50:02.920 any more dates. And he said, what do you mean? 2:50:03.840 --> 2:50:05.280 I said, what do you mean? What I mean? I 2:50:05.360 --> 2:50:08.600 just told you he goes. I just advanced Pete ten 2:50:08.720 --> 2:50:11.040 shows because he told me you were doing the shows. 2:50:11.959 --> 2:50:14.320 And I said, yo, I mean, I said, first of all, 2:50:14.360 --> 2:50:16.400 I never said I was doing those shows as A 2:50:17.160 --> 2:50:20.320 and B. I feel bad for those promoters, but I 2:50:20.320 --> 2:50:21.720 ain't got nothing to do with that. My name is 2:50:21.720 --> 2:50:23.400 pauled Us between y'all, like, I ain't got nothing to 2:50:23.480 --> 2:50:25.760 do with it. And moreover, don't ever call me about 2:50:25.800 --> 2:50:28.160 that again. Don't ever call me about a show again. 2:50:28.720 --> 2:50:30.880 So this past New Year's we got an offer for 2:50:30.959 --> 2:50:33.960 one hundred thousand dollars to do one night in Pittsburgh 2:50:33.959 --> 2:50:37.280 for New Year's Eve, and I said, no, not gonna happen. 2:50:37.560 --> 2:50:41.720 Just not gonna happen. And Daddy Rich with his sixty followers, 2:50:41.760 --> 2:50:44.760 went on a diet tribe talking about how I try 2:50:44.800 --> 2:50:47.359 to fuck his girl, how I used to fuck prostitutes 2:50:47.400 --> 2:50:50.080 on the road, that I gave my wife an STD 2:50:50.959 --> 2:50:53.200 A lot of that like this is on Twitter on Twitter. 2:50:54.280 --> 2:50:58.520 If you would never beat it, right, yeah, petty, pet 2:50:59.040 --> 2:51:01.560 So I just literally just said I wish you the 2:51:01.600 --> 2:51:03.560 best of luck in your future endeavors. Never talked to 2:51:03.640 --> 2:51:07.120 me again, never see me, you know. So it's that 2:51:07.280 --> 2:51:13.720 dude is literally to damn, it's that to me. Well, Search, 2:51:14.920 --> 2:51:21.480 I'm giving you. I'm very blessed. We're doing our wrap 2:51:21.600 --> 2:51:23.720 up with you. Normally we do it once once our 2:51:23.760 --> 2:51:29.000 guest is out. But what did you learn, man? Man? 2:51:29.280 --> 2:51:29.400 Uh? 2:51:29.920 --> 2:51:33.080 Man? I learned that Uh yeah, God, this has been 2:51:33.160 --> 2:51:34.720 like fucking hip hop nerd trivia. 2:51:35.400 --> 2:51:35.440 No. 2:51:35.640 --> 2:51:38.560 Man, I learned that Search is very much still you know, 2:51:38.760 --> 2:51:41.160 in tune, you know, to the music, to the culture. 2:51:42.160 --> 2:51:45.400 He is very much I didn't know that you had 2:51:46.240 --> 2:51:49.080 records prior to the Cactus that was. That was my 2:51:49.160 --> 2:51:50.520 first time hearing those records. 2:51:51.800 --> 2:51:51.960 You know. 2:51:52.280 --> 2:51:56.120 Uh, it's funny we have a connection. Dan Charnis of course. 2:51:56.640 --> 2:51:58.680 He uh, I do all the rhymes for the break 2:51:58.840 --> 2:52:02.520 and there's a line, uh, there's I play a. 2:52:02.600 --> 2:52:04.640 Character that third baseline. 2:52:05.160 --> 2:52:06.760 And so he said, Man, I got a call Search 2:52:06.800 --> 2:52:08.760 about this, and I was like work because I mean, 2:52:09.160 --> 2:52:09.960 this is the first I meet it. 2:52:10.040 --> 2:52:11.920 I was like, man, and so he hit me back, 2:52:11.959 --> 2:52:13.800 He's like, your Search was super cool about it. He was, 2:52:14.200 --> 2:52:16.360 so I was like, because I'm such a big fan 2:52:16.440 --> 2:52:20.119 of yours that first, everything you've done, I mean, I'm 2:52:20.240 --> 2:52:22.120 just a huge fan. So thank you, thank you what 2:52:22.240 --> 2:52:24.840 you've done to the contribute to hip hop and the culture. 2:52:24.959 --> 2:52:28.119 And it's just amazing listening to you. Like I said, 2:52:28.120 --> 2:52:28.360 I was. 2:52:28.480 --> 2:52:30.480 I was ten when Cactus drop. I was eleven when 2:52:30.560 --> 2:52:32.920 Derrelks drop, So I grew up on it. It's just 2:52:32.920 --> 2:52:34.520 this is great just to sit here and just break 2:52:34.560 --> 2:52:35.160 bread with your brother. 2:52:35.200 --> 2:52:38.640 Thank you. On paid Bill, did you learn anything man? 2:52:38.959 --> 2:52:44.920 Juice and hip hop man? Both? 2:52:45.040 --> 2:52:47.800 This show is like Black History Month, It's like black MPR. 2:52:47.920 --> 2:52:51.440 And then it's like Bill, what's the white perspective? Which 2:52:51.720 --> 2:52:52.959 which I enjoy giving and. 2:52:52.959 --> 2:52:53.760 I'm happy to do so. 2:52:53.879 --> 2:52:55.800 However, I feel like today baby, the tables were turning 2:52:55.800 --> 2:52:57.600 a little bit, and I thank you for this balance. 2:52:57.920 --> 2:53:02.080 Yes, Bill, you are more than welcome you. It is balanced, sugar, Steve, 2:53:02.800 --> 2:53:03.120 did you. 2:53:04.720 --> 2:53:04.840 Yea? 2:53:05.920 --> 2:53:06.520 The chanting? 2:53:06.800 --> 2:53:07.440 Was he? 2:53:09.959 --> 2:53:12.000 That's the whole part too with you is going to 2:53:12.040 --> 2:53:13.000 be all champing. 2:53:15.640 --> 2:53:27.920 Right now? I know she that was my hotttal portion too, dude, 2:53:28.360 --> 2:53:28.960 that's crazy. 2:53:29.280 --> 2:53:33.240 Part two in random I think you're jewishing Bill and Steve. 2:53:33.320 --> 2:53:37.280 It's weird, pretty good start freestyling. 2:53:40.160 --> 2:53:43.520 I learned that Search to write two books, one of 2:53:43.640 --> 2:53:47.280 course on business and how to diversify, and the other 2:53:47.440 --> 2:53:49.640 on I don't know. I just feel like I never 2:53:49.680 --> 2:53:52.720 knew such a story about how you became englfed in 2:53:52.760 --> 2:53:55.000 the culture, and it was such an education and a 2:53:55.080 --> 2:53:57.120 long education. I know every white person can't do this, 2:53:57.640 --> 2:53:59.800 but maybe he just put it in a book and consolidate. 2:54:00.320 --> 2:54:01.920 Then we could just it would be a different world. 2:54:02.000 --> 2:54:04.959 I'll tell you we're gonna have a great TV show 2:54:05.040 --> 2:54:08.039 hopefully coming out soon, and that will tell a lot 2:54:08.080 --> 2:54:12.760 of great stories. They call me Search coming soon and 2:54:12.959 --> 2:54:15.680 the app the app, yeah yeah, And if you want 2:54:15.720 --> 2:54:17.880 to be part of the beta, go to get go 2:54:18.040 --> 2:54:20.240 to Beta at get A do g E t A 2:54:20.400 --> 2:54:25.680 d U E dot com. Right, Matthew, thanks? Okay, oh yeah, yo, 2:54:25.840 --> 2:54:26.560 did you learn anything? 2:54:29.959 --> 2:54:31.600 I just want to say one more thing beside, every 2:54:31.640 --> 2:54:34.039 strong Jewish man is a strong black woman. 2:54:34.879 --> 2:54:40.840 Absolutely right. I used to end my show, every radio show, Okay, 2:54:40.879 --> 2:54:52.480 we're gonna go Bill. That's the sound of getting punched 2:54:52.720 --> 2:54:54.039 and that's shot. 2:54:59.720 --> 2:55:04.520 Yeah. Well, Search, I thank you very much. And this 2:55:04.760 --> 2:55:05.480 Quest loves. 2:55:05.280 --> 2:55:29.000 Supreme, Quest Love Supreme. It is a production of iHeartRadio. 2:55:29.520 --> 2:55:32.840 This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 2:55:43.600 --> 2:55:46.840 For more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, 2:55:47.080 --> 2:55:50.120 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.