Speaker 1: Questlove Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode
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Speaker 1: this is Questlove and You're listening to QLs. Classic Of
Speaker 1: all of our archived episodes, this is probably one of
Speaker 1: the most requested ones, and so wonder why FC Search
Speaker 1: of Therapase is one of the best storytellers in hip hop.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's the king of I was there and
Speaker 2: this happened to me.
Speaker 1: So many stories, man, so many stories, yes, including the
Speaker 1: infamous hammer.
Speaker 2: I'm not even going to spoil alert yo.
Speaker 1: From February fifteenth, twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: This is the.
Speaker 1: World famous, long awaited return of the MC search episode
Speaker 1: of Questlove Supreme Classic.
Speaker 3: Hope you enjoyed.
Speaker 2: Wait wait stop stop stop stop stop stop? Does everyone
Speaker 2: get traumatized? Whatever? The organ at the top, like, where's
Speaker 2: the one? Where's the corn? It's never one? All right,
Speaker 2: We've never done that, wone?
Speaker 3: Relax?
Speaker 4: Hello, all right, yoga, let's do it.
Speaker 5: Supreamo soup bream roll cream, Supremo, rolla, Supremo, roll call Premo,
Speaker 5: so Supremo.
Speaker 2: Roll.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's Quest Love. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, my name is Fante. Yeah, I don't rock no perm. Yeah,
Speaker 6: don't drink the milk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's sperm. Roll call. My name is Sugar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got the blues, Yeah, but not tonight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so many dude. Supremo, Supremo, Supremo roll call. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Valentine's Day. Yeah, I hope that you. Yeah, got fucking
Speaker 2: leader sore Son roll Suprema son Son Suprema roll.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm in this space. Yeah here, Yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 7: get the gas pace roll.
Speaker 2: Delivery Suprema son Son Supremo roll. My name is search
Speaker 2: that big m C Yeah, third base two fucking their life.
Speaker 1: Upbra, ladies and gentlemen, If you have ever said to yourself,
Speaker 1: I wish a mirror would get to the point I'm
Speaker 1: not even talking to people there, people that know me.
Speaker 2: For people that know look at the room, disres and
Speaker 2: smiling like a motherfucker. I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you for every long winded epic story
Speaker 1: I've ever typed instagrams, be twenty five is parographs. You
Speaker 1: not have the heart to be like all right, be
Speaker 1: wrapping up. I get you have to paint the picture.
Speaker 1: I got that from one person that's.
Speaker 2: Some ball face line like I'm saying Search you are.
Speaker 2: You are like my slick Rick.
Speaker 1: Your your stories and your war stories and your experiences
Speaker 1: in hip hop culture are one of my favorite recollected
Speaker 1: stories ever.
Speaker 2: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome MC search. Thank you,
Speaker 2: thank you. Shout out to all the Jews in the building.
Speaker 2: Font that's right, marchal math. We're out numbers, so happy
Speaker 2: now I did the math. It's a tire, right, you
Speaker 2: did the math. Yeah, he did the math. That's good.
Speaker 2: That's good. Which makes it sound like prior it wasn't
Speaker 2: like it sounds like you got jumped like you did
Speaker 2: back in Brooklyn jumped. We just got ignored.
Speaker 1: Go to us for the white comedy, White guy already,
Speaker 1: we're going in already.
Speaker 2: How you doing, man, I'm I'm great. First of all,
Speaker 2: it's great to be here. It's great to be and
Speaker 2: it was great to see you in Orlando. Uh, tear
Speaker 2: down the building once again. Thank you for you guys
Speaker 2: who don't know. I've had the pleasure of knowing this
Speaker 2: brother for a very long time. And there's a funny
Speaker 2: family storyline that goes with it, because the first time
Speaker 2: third Base reunited and went back out on soa Quest
Speaker 2: was playing drums for di'angelo and Third Base was opening
Speaker 2: for D'Angelo. Oh wow. I took my daughter to this
Speaker 2: Europeans She was six years old and she would fall
Speaker 2: asleep behind a stage and you know, like just a
Speaker 2: mirror would be like next to her all the time. Like,
Speaker 2: so I was like, yo, let's get a picture. So
Speaker 2: I got a picture Quest and my daughter Mayana and
Speaker 2: then like every ten years like my daughter and Quest.
Speaker 2: Evolution chart. Yeah, it's like the evolution chart. It's exactly right.
Speaker 2: So we have these like pictures and we just took
Speaker 2: one in Orlando a couple of weeks when the roots
Speaker 2: were in there. My daughter is now twenty two years old.
Speaker 2: I'll be ninety six when she's like forty.
Speaker 1: All right, So Search not wanting to waste a millisecond
Speaker 1: of your life on the show you started in Far Rockaway, Queens.
Speaker 2: Yes, shout out to Far Rockaway, shout out to Hammel Projects,
Speaker 2: Redfern aka Wave Cress aka be seventeen, Cigarette Boulevard, a
Speaker 2: lot of aka Mott Avenue Wait which aka he sounded
Speaker 2: like Kevin hamon Road aka reads Lane.
Speaker 1: All right, So two pillows, which by myself what what
Speaker 1: part of Queens is that that you're from that they
Speaker 1: wrap about so.
Speaker 2: Far Rockaway is right on the border of Long Island,
Speaker 2: so far Rockaway. My block Queens was on this side
Speaker 2: and literally one block over was Long Island on the
Speaker 2: other side. And it was so funny because literally the
Speaker 2: prices and houses, like my parents' house in nineteen sixty
Speaker 2: seven was like forty thousand dollars and the house of
Speaker 2: the block literally around the corner was like two hundred
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. Wow, like just because of Long Island, because
Speaker 2: just the so Long Island was considered the nice part
Speaker 2: of town. Oh so nice, so nice. What part of
Speaker 2: Long Island the Five Towns publicantemy, No, that's that's a
Speaker 2: little south that now you're going east and south. I'm
Speaker 2: more like inwood Ulett, see the Heurst five Towns like
Speaker 2: around that area. So that's real jew area, real Italian area. Columbo,
Speaker 2: crime family Iiha, Cohen, all the good shit, all the
Speaker 2: dudes that got laid up like Gotti, all those dudes,
Speaker 2: they were all in my neighborhood. Really. Yeah. They would
Speaker 2: move people from Howard Beach into like Inwood and run
Speaker 2: like gambling spots and like poker parties and all sorts
Speaker 2: of crazy.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, oh wait they okay, I see ye fucking
Speaker 1: what you're doing?
Speaker 2: Seeing fucking doing.
Speaker 1: So, being as like one as a new resident of
Speaker 1: New York City, I'm slowly discovering that all the five
Speaker 1: boroughs are major cities within themselves. Like coming from an
Speaker 1: outside of perspective, you know, when I come here to
Speaker 1: record records, you know, I'll just go straight to the hotel,
Speaker 1: go to studio, really not do that much exploring around
Speaker 1: New York. But now that I'm like I've been here
Speaker 1: for a couple of years now, I'm slowly realizing that, oh,
Speaker 1: what makes New York New York is the fact that
Speaker 1: all the boroughs are like major cities within themselves. So,
Speaker 1: being as though you're all the way up there, every
Speaker 1: story I've ever heard of about you was Manhattan stories,
Speaker 1: and and and so it's like, how do you come
Speaker 1: from all the way out there? How do you even
Speaker 1: infiltrate your way into New York culture, at least the
Speaker 1: one that embraced you and took you in.
Speaker 2: When I was in middle school, there were schools in
Speaker 2: New York called public privates. Where did you go to
Speaker 2: high school? I went to I is fifty three Brian
Speaker 2: Piccolo Middle numbers though yeah, p S two was named
Speaker 2: after Brian Piccolo, a Chicago Bear player, which is still
Speaker 2: Brian so right, Brian song. We had to watch that
Speaker 2: every year and we were forced to cry at the
Speaker 2: end when Gail Sayers his allegiance and long term friendship
Speaker 2: to a dying Brian Piccolo. So anyway, so yeah, was
Speaker 2: that the movie? It was Billy was William James con
Speaker 2: James Cone. So there were these public privates and I
Speaker 2: did not want to go to far Rock High School,
Speaker 2: like I just there was no where I was going.
Speaker 2: Was that the local high school? That was the local
Speaker 2: high neighborhoodhigh school famous for Jonah Sulk who invented penicillin.
Speaker 2: As you know, Oh wow, so Jonah Salk went there. Wow,
Speaker 2: phil oaks information too. Yeah you think you just a
Speaker 2: wealth of worthless information right now? I love that. So
Speaker 2: I did not want to go. And my mother may
Speaker 2: she rest in peace, went to Music and Art High
Speaker 2: School in Harlem, so she said you should just try out.
Speaker 2: So in eighth grade I went, I tried out, and
Speaker 2: I got in and it turned out like even my
Speaker 2: guidance counselor was like, really, Michael, you're going to try out,
Speaker 2: Like only two students in the history of our whole
Speaker 2: school got into music and our like. I was like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm going to be the third. And I
Speaker 2: went in. I sang a traditional Hebrew song in Hebrew. Yes,
Speaker 2: bring it right now, shells the hot right now, chefs
Speaker 2: Shallo Salme, shells the hub exclusive. I'm in the movie
Speaker 2: I had. I had a mad I had a mad
Speaker 2: alto voice like alto yeah before drop so earlier Michael
Speaker 2: Jackson right like, enjoy yourself, Michael Jackson, right right up there.
Speaker 2: So I get into the school. It's amazing. And the
Speaker 2: commute from Far Rock Away to Harlem was two hours
Speaker 2: and twelve minutes. So the A train the first the
Speaker 2: last stop on the A train is mot Avenue, far Rockaway,
Speaker 2: So you'd have to take the A train through Queens,
Speaker 2: through Brooklyn, through Manhattan to go to one hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty fifth Street, changed for the one to go to
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty Fiftrey Confinent Avenue and then walk
Speaker 2: up to hill, Saint Nicholas Hill, And they called it
Speaker 2: a castle on the hill because music and art looked
Speaker 2: like a castle. So how that kind of transcended New
Speaker 2: York was. I just knew the subways. I learned the
Speaker 2: subways from an early age. But when I went to
Speaker 2: Music and Art, the very first day I was there,
Speaker 2: they had freshman orientation and we got hooked up with
Speaker 2: a senior and he was like, yo, you want to
Speaker 2: coming to the lunch room, like you know, that's where
Speaker 2: everything is popping off. So it's like nine o'clock in
Speaker 2: the morning and I hear these guys beating on tables
Speaker 2: and I hear these dudes doing they're ramen, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I got some good Hebrew that could go along with that.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, like I could, I could drop Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can drop some like and I'm hearing the skit
Speaker 2: and I'm like that sounds like he'll Billy girl from
Speaker 2: like they can't go Crew. I'm like, nah, they're just biting.
Speaker 2: And there's this whole site for going on. A guy's
Speaker 2: bouncing on table and I get like on a table
Speaker 2: and I'm looking down and it's Lance Omega, Dana Day
Speaker 2: and Ricky d Wow and they are the King went
Speaker 2: to high school with Yeah and j Cool in the
Speaker 2: Frestrian Seas and Lord Treue from the Eternal Force so much.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. So I'm watching them do He'll Billy Girl,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, and we had like third fourth generation,
Speaker 2: you know, cassette tapes of what they used to do
Speaker 2: in the parks, Me and my man Greg and my
Speaker 2: man Tommy, like we like listen to that. Like so
Speaker 2: I'm like, are you kidding me? Like these guys go
Speaker 2: to my high school. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: So they never had a record deal, No, no, never
Speaker 1: with out the two members besides Dan and Dane.
Speaker 2: And Lance and Omega Lance DJ Lance right, No, not
Speaker 2: Lance Romance, not DJ Lance. No. So there was just
Speaker 2: just two of their homeboys from they all rhyme alike. Yes,
Speaker 2: did they all have like yes, yes, yes, yeah, like yes,
Speaker 2: definitely like and it was definitely and Rick because he
Speaker 2: had only come from London like five years prior. Like
Speaker 2: he had a thick, thick British accent, and the girls
Speaker 2: just it was moisture in that building. There was moisture
Speaker 2: in the building. Then all of a sudden, like this
Speaker 2: dude starts beatboxing. Who doesn't go to my school? And
Speaker 2: they're like, oh yo, Douggie, you got to get out
Speaker 2: of here, like, just drop this beat real quick and
Speaker 2: then you can leave. So he's just like, so it's
Speaker 2: Dougie Fresh. He starts beatboxing. And then in nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: he's in the high school when he doesn't even there, No,
Speaker 2: he's just chilling in the lunch room, and I just
Speaker 2: hear Ricky go lotty dotty, lotty dotty.
Speaker 8: Wow.
Speaker 2: I'm like, So he does the whole verse and for
Speaker 2: the whole year, I mean the whole year from September
Speaker 2: to June. When we had our ciphers in a lunch room,
Speaker 2: he would do that that little skit called he called
Speaker 2: lotty dotty right, and they would beat on tables. Let
Speaker 2: me tell you something, I bit that ship so fast.
Speaker 2: I went back to my hood and I was like, here,
Speaker 2: you check out this rhyme I wrote. I was getting
Speaker 2: chicks moist moisture. So so they come out. Record blows up.
Speaker 2: I'm at Hot Skates and Lynnbrook chilling with my boys.
Speaker 2: Records on Kiss famined like midnight, you know somebody's playing it.
Speaker 2: I walk into McDonald's. I'm already EMC search, but I'm
Speaker 2: not like putting out records yet. I go in McDonald's.
Speaker 2: This girl I was kicking it with from Hempstead goes, oh,
Speaker 2: look it's Ricky D.
Speaker 4: And I turned around and I go oh yeah, and
Speaker 4: she's like you I just hurt your record on kiss
Speaker 4: You're Ricky D.
Speaker 2: And this big ass dude, he's like, fucking white boy,
Speaker 2: ain't slick. I was so mesmerized by what they did
Speaker 2: in school, and again Jay Cool was my locker mate.
Speaker 2: And then like just before he graduates high school, he
Speaker 2: puts out f R E s A Yo is rhyming
Speaker 2: reverse and Pumpkin and the All Stars comes out and
Speaker 2: he's on that, and I'm like, wait, he was part
Speaker 2: of that cruise. Yeah, yeah he was on that record.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Jay Cools on that, Yeah, all of that.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, so I'm like, okay, do you have
Speaker 2: so much flavor? Yeah? So I'm like, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, I know what I'm gonna do with
Speaker 2: my life. I'm gonna be a rapper. Like that's it's
Speaker 2: really that same search come from. How did you get that?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: When I was in middle school, like literally one day,
Speaker 2: like my friend Bill comes into school as Bill and
Speaker 2: the next day he's Lord doing the qua mathematics understanding
Speaker 2: the law. You know what I'm saying, yo, And I'm
Speaker 2: like what And he's like, yo, I became a five
Speaker 2: percent of God, Like I can't even speak to you
Speaker 2: a devil now, and like yeah, da da da dad.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, why am I devil? Like you're a
Speaker 2: white man, you know, y da da da da da
Speaker 2: and like the white man is a devil when you
Speaker 2: don't know this comforts of the planet Earth and you
Speaker 2: don't know da da da da da and you don't
Speaker 2: have the ones attends. And so I was asking all
Speaker 2: these questions and they were like, yo, why do you
Speaker 2: keep searching for the answers? Man? Why you keep searching
Speaker 2: for the answers? Devil? Why you keep searching for the
Speaker 2: answers the door? Right? And they just so that's where
Speaker 2: they called me search. So now, so now I'm tagging
Speaker 2: search s E A, R C H. Like that was
Speaker 2: my name right? That also?
Speaker 7: That is that a myth? That's party? Because I heard
Speaker 7: you with like a five percent.
Speaker 2: Of I practiced. I practiced the one that tends like
Speaker 2: I knew my one attends like I knew nothing a
Speaker 2: black and black man, yeah, like three sixty Like I
Speaker 2: had a standard three sixty like yo, like yo, yo,
Speaker 2: dollarge boring born like.
Speaker 7: Every white man in his room just put his head down.
Speaker 7: I don't even know what the is going on.
Speaker 2: This is like a whole another Yes, the original woke.
Speaker 2: This is the original state woke.
Speaker 7: Right, Oh boy, I ain't search. I love it and
Speaker 7: you're wearing right now.
Speaker 2: Yes, so yeah, we it was really woke. So anyway,
Speaker 2: so on my sixteenth birthday, my home, my best friend,
Speaker 2: Kevin on Moore, he got me a name plate belt
Speaker 2: buckle and the thing was the name no, no, no,
Speaker 2: the five the five letter name play belt buckle was
Speaker 2: like thirty five dollars yo, but the sixth letter one
Speaker 2: was like fifty dollars plus the letters were five dollars each,
Speaker 2: So he got the five one, but he tried to
Speaker 2: squeeze in the A because he tried to save himself
Speaker 2: twenty dollars for my sixteenth birthday. What was your friend's name?
Speaker 2: Kevin on Moore? Okay, keV Love, Yeah, love keV Love
Speaker 2: and if popped out, so I just said, you know what,
Speaker 2: fuck it, I'm just gonna keep it, sus h. And
Speaker 2: that's how I spelled the name, did I disappoint you,
Speaker 2: lazy no man, search man. I'm just mind blown. I
Speaker 2: am a most blessed white Jewish man in the history
Speaker 2: of hip hop. Let's be very let's be very clear,
Speaker 2: like I tell that people all the time, like when
Speaker 2: people even meet me, Like my partner Matthew's behind me
Speaker 2: and we're doing an app called to Do Together, Like
Speaker 2: I tell Matthew all the time, I'm like, you don't understand.
Speaker 2: Like I would not be standing next to you, Matthew.
Speaker 2: We wouldn't be doing a dude, if hip hop didn't
Speaker 2: save my life, like I would be selling shoes at
Speaker 2: fucking Macy's. Like I would I'd be shoveling dirt. Like
Speaker 2: everything I learned business, acumen, marketing, promotion, music, love of culture,
Speaker 2: like everything came from hip hop. You know. I mean
Speaker 2: I loved being a Jew and I loved my culture.
Speaker 2: But there was no way being a Jew was gonna
Speaker 2: get me to make rap records, you know, with and
Speaker 2: go onto a public enemy. It just wasn't gonna happen.
Speaker 2: So like it gave me my life, so like everything
Speaker 2: that I surround myself with even now is based on
Speaker 2: hip hop principles.
Speaker 3: How old were you when you were just telling that
Speaker 3: story in nineteen seventy nine or eighty.
Speaker 2: No, no, that Lottie Dotty, that was like eighty five.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but I heard Lottie Dottie in the Intro
Speaker 2: Intelluctum in nineteen eighty, so that was I was fourteen.
Speaker 2: That was just a routine they did, right, there was
Speaker 2: one of their crew routines. So I was like four
Speaker 2: years old before I even got them out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So search like being a white dude in a culture
Speaker 1: in which I mean, with the exception of Arthur Baker,
Speaker 1: I mean, when I first heard the Beastis in eighty
Speaker 1: five with this party's getting rough.
Speaker 2: There was no question that we all thought they were No,
Speaker 2: oh you thought you thought the Puerto Rican dog.
Speaker 1: Now forget the inside sleeve of licensed to Ill back
Speaker 1: when they did parties getting rough in the Beastie group,
Speaker 1: like you just fess the man, like I thought they
Speaker 1: were Puerto Rican. Oh wow, Because it just never occurred
Speaker 1: to me that white dudes could have flavor. So you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, flavored the swag of my generation.
Speaker 1: So that said, I mean, were you a walking novelty
Speaker 1: to every black person he met? Because even Q Tip
Speaker 1: when He described how he first met you with Greg Nice.
Speaker 1: He was like, Yo, I never seen no bookshit like
Speaker 1: this in my life.
Speaker 2: Like he described he.
Speaker 7: Just had watermelon at the Latin Quarter Search Watermelon.
Speaker 1: He described the moment where you first heard Big Daddy
Speaker 1: Kane's raw, where like it was you Greg Nice uh
Speaker 1: d Night Nice uh in him and Kane pulls up
Speaker 1: in a limo and plays raw and like, but he
Speaker 1: was just like when he met you for the first time,
Speaker 1: He's like the most incredible thing, Like he just never
Speaker 1: saw a white dude with flavor, right, and so like,
Speaker 1: how did you navigate not being a caricature so to speak?
Speaker 1: Like Chappelle always says, like always be scared of the
Speaker 1: white guy in the black Yeah, because ain't no telling
Speaker 1: what he did to get there?
Speaker 2: So what was it like just between eighty one and
Speaker 2: eighty six? So really between eighty one and eighty five,
Speaker 2: I was really very quiet and very shy because with
Speaker 2: the exception of a white rapper, the first white rapper
Speaker 2: named Vanilla b aka Lord scotch aka Keo Blake Latham,
Speaker 2: there were no white rappers and Blake had the most
Speaker 2: flavor I'd ever seen in my life, Like he was
Speaker 2: wearing creased Lee's with like dark black wallabies and had
Speaker 2: a looseight cane with a latigra and like ghazals and
Speaker 2: like he was from Brooklyn, and I was like, whatever
Speaker 2: you're doing, I want to match what you're doing, like
Speaker 2: because I don't have that flavor. In Far Rockaway. I
Speaker 2: was real humble, like I was just writing to myself,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, and like I would like
Speaker 2: go into lunch room and I would like I would
Speaker 2: see a cipher go on and I'd be like, you know,
Speaker 2: oh you never rhind in us? Nah, I never never
Speaker 2: never rhymed at school ever.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because I was wondering how long you to actually
Speaker 7: make get into the circle up.
Speaker 2: I never got into the circle. I never never had
Speaker 2: the balls to step into that circle. Like never was
Speaker 2: going to happen, Like I was way overclassed.
Speaker 3: Shout out to teenagers with no balls man.
Speaker 2: Aka the Jewish Brother aka lunch Room a k A.
Speaker 2: Small testicles, So that was never gonna happen. So I figured, like, Okay,
Speaker 2: so I've absorbed all of these mcs that are in
Speaker 2: my school, so like when I leave school, like I
Speaker 2: can really like step up and do some damage because
Speaker 2: I've learned from all these mcs that are around me.
Speaker 2: So I had gone to music and art on a voice.
Speaker 2: On voice, I was singing Italian opera, and like my
Speaker 2: thought was, I would go to school because I couldn't
Speaker 2: afford to go to Yeshiva, and I would be either
Speaker 2: a rabbi or and I would learn how to sing
Speaker 2: in music and art, and then I would go to
Speaker 2: Yeshiva and get a scholarship. And I didn't. I wound
Speaker 2: up getting a scholarship to the Saint Louis School of
Speaker 2: Music at George Washington University, four year scholarship free ride.
Speaker 2: And I had to make a decision signing day right
Speaker 2: and the weekend before, I tell my mom, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to Saint Louis any shiit for me
Speaker 2: in Saint Louis. I want to be a rapper. And
Speaker 2: she said, what do you mean You're gonna rap gifts
Speaker 2: its sears? Like what's a rapper? Really appreciate this? She said,
Speaker 2: Vashonista rapper like Vashnish. I'm like, mom, there's this culture
Speaker 2: called hip hop, and you know there's a music called
Speaker 2: rap and the guys who do it are MCS and
Speaker 2: I want to be a rapper. She says, so, what's
Speaker 2: your plan? And I said, I just told you my plan.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be a rapper. She said, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: If you're going to give away four years of college,
Speaker 2: I need you to have a plan, like I need
Speaker 2: you to figure it out, Like you can't just say
Speaker 2: you're going to be a rapper. And the thing that
Speaker 2: I had going for me is my mother was a
Speaker 2: child star in the Borsch Belt back in the thirties
Speaker 2: and thirty five, and she had to leave that to
Speaker 2: win the depre happened to like become a dental technician
Speaker 2: to help put food on the table. So she always
Speaker 2: felt like she couldn't fulfill her career. What's the Borsch
Speaker 2: Belt for? I'm sorry for Jews, right, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2: There's so it's it's all in the Catskills, so Kutcher's brown,
Speaker 2: like it was all these different hotels in the Catskills.
Speaker 2: That was called the Borsch Belt.
Speaker 1: This is the craziest thing because my dad did up
Speaker 1: in the Caskills doing all those hotels, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so that was called the Borsch Belt. So
Speaker 2: young like Jewish artists would go perform and they would
Speaker 2: do like vaudeville and they would sing. And my mom
Speaker 2: was one of those singer. Yeah, she had an amazing voice.
Speaker 2: And she's like, you know, put a plan together, and
Speaker 2: let me see the plan, but you have to tell
Speaker 2: Saint Louis School of Music on Monday that you're going
Speaker 2: to college, and if you're not, I want to know
Speaker 2: the plant. So I spent all Friday, Saturday, and Sunday
Speaker 2: like writing this plan, like, well, I got got to
Speaker 2: gotta find a producer, and I gotta find a manager,
Speaker 2: and I gotta make a demo, and I gotta get
Speaker 2: in the studio and I gotta and so I'm going
Speaker 2: through this whole list all weekend like I didn't leave
Speaker 2: my basement, Like all weekend, I'm just going through this list.
Speaker 2: Hold this list. I gotta hit the clubs. And and
Speaker 2: she wanted to know how much time it was going
Speaker 2: to take me to do this, and I said three
Speaker 2: and a half years. And three and a half years,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have a record contract. And she said, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what. I'll support you keep a part time job,
Speaker 2: pay for the insurance and the guests in your car,
Speaker 2: but keep it least a part time job or a job.
Speaker 2: I'll pay for your demo. I'll pay for your stage clothes.
Speaker 2: I'll pay for it. I'll support you. But you have
Speaker 2: two choices at the end of three and a half years.
Speaker 2: You go back to school and get out my house,
Speaker 2: or you get a job and get out my house.
Speaker 2: But either way you get Yeah it was different. Wait,
Speaker 2: can we just it was different? Welcome to.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: This search is wait in your mom and your mind.
Speaker 2: Time for your mom one time, No, dude, because my
Speaker 2: dad was the opposite. I put it. I didn't tell
Speaker 2: my dad. Dad didn't find out about the Roots until
Speaker 2: the second album.
Speaker 1: Ya had a deal and like it took a record
Speaker 1: review of do you want More to be? Like someone
Speaker 1: showed me this today. You want to explain what's going on? Yeah, Dad,
Speaker 1: I got her.
Speaker 2: Record deal and signed the Deaf Records and Wendy Goldsen
Speaker 2: is my n He didn't believe me or approved till
Speaker 2: the things fall apart. That was when he finally got it. Wait,
Speaker 2: she let you knock and you had not an option
Speaker 2: give a full round full to a forty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: a year school George Washington University and their Saint Louis
Speaker 2: School of Music their specialty program for voice instrumental was
Speaker 2: it because you and your mom was your father around?
Speaker 2: My father was around. So my father was the kind
Speaker 2: of guy like I would go to him, go, Dad, man,
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I don't know if I should do this,
Speaker 2: and you go, so don't do it. But like my
Speaker 2: dad like, I really want to do it, So do it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know, Well, don't ask me. Then
Speaker 2: either do it or don't do it. Yes, no, I
Speaker 2: don't know. There's your three answers. What do you want
Speaker 2: from me? So my dad really was involved in, like,
Speaker 2: you know, this career thing. He was just like, so
Speaker 2: do it. I'm still mind blowing, Like, well, my mom
Speaker 2: I think would help. Well your dad was a musician
Speaker 2: as well, when you gave her this plan. But here's
Speaker 2: this three page plant. And after three and a half years,
Speaker 2: you either go back to school and get out my
Speaker 2: house or you get a job and get out my house.
Speaker 2: But either way, you get out my house. On my birthday,
Speaker 2: twenty one May sixth I signed my deal to death.
Speaker 2: Jim Wow. Three years at three years, three years. And
Speaker 2: the funny thing was the car that lasted me that
Speaker 2: whole time. And I'll tell you about that car between
Speaker 2: me and Pete because we wrote most of the Cactus
Speaker 2: album in that car because it was called the think tank.
Speaker 2: Because it had no radio, all you could do is
Speaker 2: think in it, so we could just literally write rhymes
Speaker 2: like not even accept player that play instrument. No, she
Speaker 2: was dead, just dead. We would just think. That's We
Speaker 2: called it the think tank, like we drove it all
Speaker 2: over the place. It was in nineteen seventy four of
Speaker 2: Volare and was just like a think tank. So I signed,
Speaker 2: So I signed deaf Jam. I get a fifteen thousand
Speaker 2: dollars advance right to sign a deaf Jam. I go
Speaker 2: to my mom. I show the contest it was like,
Speaker 2: and we had a beg for that money. We had
Speaker 2: a beg for it. So my mom gives me two letters. Yes,
Speaker 2: one letter says how proud she is of me, and
Speaker 2: that I won't really realize what I just accomplished until
Speaker 2: I have children of my own, and that the real
Speaker 2: work and the real testament is to how long I
Speaker 2: ran no streets because I random streets. For three years,
Speaker 2: I treated my house and then we'll go to that.
Speaker 2: But for three years. I treated my house like a hotel,
Speaker 2: like I literally was at a shit shower shave, and
Speaker 2: I was in the streets six days a week, every club, Brooklyn, Queens,
Speaker 2: Long Island, Stan Island, anywhere there was a cipher, I
Speaker 2: was there. I was there, like it was not even
Speaker 2: a question. I was everywhere. I was every Like my
Speaker 2: friends like to call me the forest Gump of hip
Speaker 2: hop because from nineteen eighty five to nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 2: anything that happened in the Five Boroughs that was historic,
Speaker 2: I was there. It's period period. I was just there.
Speaker 2: Let's go through it and we will. But I just
Speaker 2: want to just tell you this once quick story because
Speaker 2: the Jews in the room will appreciate it. Yeah. So
Speaker 2: my mother gives me this letter telling me how proud
Speaker 2: she is of me, but that the real work starts
Speaker 2: when I signed the contract, like all the work was nothing.
Speaker 2: Now that I really have to do the work. Now,
Speaker 2: you got to keep it right, maintain it. And the
Speaker 2: second letter was a bill electric rent clothing season charge
Speaker 2: right seventeen nine hundred and thirty six dollars and forty
Speaker 2: three cents, And she wanted to know how I was
Speaker 2: going to pay it. And that was three years period. Wow,
Speaker 2: So I said, Mom, I said, I only got fifteen thousand.
Speaker 2: I'll give you five thousand now and the rest of it,
Speaker 2: I'll give you my ass cap royalties, which for all
Speaker 2: those that don't know, is when your record plays on
Speaker 2: the radio, you make money. So for about ten years after,
Speaker 2: I would get phone calls at home and go, Michael,
Speaker 2: did you know your record Step into the Am played
Speaker 2: in Israel four times this month? You made that dollar
Speaker 2: thirty one? And in Germany your record? And did you
Speaker 2: know that if your record plays on w any W
Speaker 2: you make more money than if it plays on Kiss FM.
Speaker 2: And so anyway, ten years later, in nineteen ninety seven
Speaker 2: or nineteen eighty ninety eight, she sent me a letter
Speaker 2: that said paid in full, that like my ass covered
Speaker 2: the debt. Damn. So people always say one or two things,
Speaker 2: either laugh at that or go, damn, your mom is
Speaker 2: fucked up. No, no, she rues, would you reap the
Speaker 2: one thousand?
Speaker 1: I don't feel bad now because my dad did the
Speaker 1: same shit to me. He kind of yeah, he was
Speaker 1: like I didn't tell him about our vance. So one
Speaker 1: day that just came on with all these new clothes
Speaker 1: like we went overboard, like we we polled ourselves to death,
Speaker 1: like we came all these new clothes. He's like, where
Speaker 1: you get all these new clothes from? And I was like, oh, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got it the record deal and huh what was that?
Speaker 1: And then he was just like all right, I won
Speaker 1: ten wow, ten thousand wow. I gave him ten rex like.
Speaker 2: That just advance.
Speaker 7: It is what it is, thousand dollars advances.
Speaker 2: It was a little different at guessing. So anyway, so
Speaker 2: between so basically after I left high school, I basically
Speaker 2: became a beast. Like I basically became a beast. So
Speaker 2: what happened was I just focused, focus, focused on getting
Speaker 2: a record deal.
Speaker 1: See that's weird now that I know the backstory. I
Speaker 1: guess in your mind there's a backwards clock.
Speaker 2: Yes, with I can't be the clock. That's exactly right now.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking like wow, because every the thing is
Speaker 1: you are the common denominator to every hip hop folk
Speaker 1: lore story I've ever heard of classic New York clubs.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember searching no No No, or or
Speaker 1: a concert what Oh yeah, I remember a cool white
Speaker 1: boy no No No. But in my head I was
Speaker 1: just like, oh, well search was just like you know
Speaker 1: socialite search, like he's just everywhere.
Speaker 2: But now I know you it gets your deal. No,
Speaker 2: it's definitely. It was definitely. The clock was ticking. And
Speaker 2: so that weekend, what do you like the day she
Speaker 2: hands you right, what happened? Tell my my guidance counselor.
Speaker 2: I go back to school Monday and say, yo, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to school and he's like whatever. Be And
Speaker 2: then you know, I graduate and I just become a
Speaker 2: beast and I have a meeting, like a meeting gets
Speaker 2: set up for me at Profile Records with their head
Speaker 2: of marketing named Steve plot Nikki and Steve plott Nicky.
Speaker 2: His fame real name, yes I was. His claim to
Speaker 2: fame was he created the Adidas deal with Leor for
Speaker 2: run DMC like he was a big marketing guy and
Speaker 2: he did retail and marketing for Profile. And I got
Speaker 2: a meeting with him and I thought, this is it.
Speaker 2: Like one meeting, I'm signed done and he tells me
Speaker 2: I need to make a demo and I said great,
Speaker 2: and he said bring it back when you make a demo. Great,
Speaker 2: and I left that place. I left Profile, which was
Speaker 2: on Broadway across from NYU and I literally called my
Speaker 2: mom collect and said, oh, I just got a deal
Speaker 2: I want signed to Profile Records. And I get on
Speaker 2: the Long Island Railroad and there's these bad chicks from
Speaker 2: Valley Stream that I've been kicking it too for a minute,
Speaker 2: and they're all like in the train and they're coming
Speaker 2: from the city and they're all giggly, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm feeling myself because I'm like, yo, I just got
Speaker 2: a deal of Profile Records. I met Steve plot Nikki.
Speaker 2: I'm in and they're like, we didn't even know you rhyme.
Speaker 2: So I start rhyming off the top of my head
Speaker 2: about all these bad chicks and what they look like
Speaker 2: and what they got on. And I'm talking about the
Speaker 2: conductor gets my ticket. I'm beefing about why the d
Speaker 2: LR is always late, and all these people start coming
Speaker 2: around me because I'm rhyming real loud because I'm feeling myself.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, you know, and this bad Dominican chick
Speaker 2: comes up to me. She goes, I talk to you
Speaker 2: a second. I was like, you could talk to me
Speaker 2: as long as you want, as long as you want.
Speaker 2: She's like, you know, my name is Loridus and my
Speaker 2: boyfriend is Grandma was Tony d from the Bad Boys,
Speaker 2: and they had the biggest D expect the gadget like, right,
Speaker 2: that was the record and forget about that over Roonica
Speaker 2: was even bigger D. Right, Oh, Tony d Yes, Tony Dick. Right.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, yo, set up a meeting. She's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but I got to be your manager. I'm like whatever,
Speaker 2: be like, it's all good. So she gives me his
Speaker 2: card and she goes, you know, give me your phone number.
Speaker 2: I'll call you in a couple of weeks and I'll
Speaker 2: set up a meeting. She scratches out his number, but
Speaker 2: his name is there on the card, Anthony Dick and
Speaker 2: an address. So I'm like, I ain't waiting two weeks
Speaker 2: for this, bitch, Like, what are you talking about? I
Speaker 2: go home. I called four one one. I said, hey,
Speaker 2: can I get the number for Anthony Dick on Ccrest Boulevard, Brooklyn,
Speaker 2: New York. And they're like yes, seven one and AP
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Calling hello,
Speaker 2: grand is it Tony dd is mc search. I just
Speaker 2: met Lordes. She told me you could sign me. He's like, man, look, man,
Speaker 2: I can't really talk right now. We're going to like
Speaker 2: Toronto for two weeks on tour. Call me in two weeks.
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, click next day, next day, next, I'm like,
Speaker 2: two weeks to the day, ring, Oh, how is Toronto?
Speaker 2: Tony is search again? You know when can I come? Oh? Man,
Speaker 2: we're going on tour. Like yo, I'm gonna be going
Speaker 2: for like a month. Tic tic tic tic tic tic
Speaker 2: tic tick. Thirty days later, Tony, what up? Man? Search?
Speaker 2: I did this for six months. For six months, he
Speaker 2: would tell me not to call. Wait a month. I
Speaker 2: would wait a month. I call. Finally, it's April. It's
Speaker 2: April in nineteen eighty six. It's pouring rain, it's it's
Speaker 2: the middle of the night. I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 2: it's not thirty at nighte you know whatever. I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna try him. Call on Hello, Tony Man, it's Search.
Speaker 2: He's like, you know what, man, just come over. I'm
Speaker 2: like what even. He's like, I got some people over,
Speaker 2: but just come over. The car was acting funny and
Speaker 2: I didn't think I would get it all the way
Speaker 2: out there, so I called my best friend. I was
Speaker 2: driving so I called my man. I'm like, Billy, you
Speaker 2: gotta take me out to Seagate. He's like, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: porn rain. I'm like, bro, this is my shot. Like,
Speaker 2: you gotta take me out to Seagate. Like I gotta go.
Speaker 2: So he drives me out and where he was in
Speaker 2: Corney Island. If people know Seagate, if you don't, this
Speaker 2: basically it's like the end of Corny Island is a
Speaker 2: dead end. And then there's these fences that are like
Speaker 2: ten feet high, these fences where like all the Italian
Speaker 2: mafioso stay over there. And Tony was in his brownstone
Speaker 2: right across from the projects, and there's these bad cars,
Speaker 2: like in his parking lot is an eighty five Jaguar
Speaker 2: x J sitting on Dayton's and there's like a ninety
Speaker 2: eight Osmobile like Crispy, and there's a Cadillac. And I'm like, so,
Speaker 2: I'm telling my man, Billy, like, yo, let's go inside.
Speaker 2: And he's like, I ain't going in there, man, you
Speaker 2: can go in there by yourself. I'm like, word, you
Speaker 2: ain't gonna come in with me. He's like, nah, you
Speaker 2: go in, go in. Knock on the door. Tony opens
Speaker 2: the door. Yeah, I'm search whatever. I'm like, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: it's me. I'm search. He's like, all right, come on in.
Speaker 2: So it's this really thin hallway and it was dark
Speaker 2: and it opened up to this living room and sitting
Speaker 2: on the couch was Lord Treue from the Eternal Force,
Speaker 2: who I knew from high school. Uh, Grandmaster D from Houdini,
Speaker 2: jam Master Jay right, and they're just sitting there looking
Speaker 2: at me. And Tony goes, let's go in the basement.
Speaker 2: And it's this dark, like musty basement and I'm going
Speaker 2: down these steps and I'm like, oh my god, like
Speaker 2: three of the biggest DJs in the world are about
Speaker 2: to jump me. This is awesome jump. So we go
Speaker 2: down into this this musty, damp basement and he clicks
Speaker 2: this light and it's this little lamp and it's a
Speaker 2: little makeshift studio within a kai and a little studio
Speaker 2: right there, and he sits me down and Tony sits
Speaker 2: over me, and literally it was like jam Master j
Speaker 2: D Taru and he says rat and I went, so
Speaker 2: you think you rock well, got a snowball chance in
Speaker 2: hell to catch the empty search because I will ring
Speaker 2: your bell and soon you will tell them my record's
Speaker 2: gonna sell because when I finished wrapping, home boys are
Speaker 2: gonna yell you will be so excited at my five's
Speaker 2: benic Night. And then all the party people have now
Speaker 2: been sighted, say if you have my sight, keep rocking
Speaker 2: all night and let the power of the party go
Speaker 2: far and bright. My name is empty, said, and I
Speaker 2: rhyme my ass off for like two minutes straight, spitting
Speaker 2: by and I said, oh, and there's dead silence, dead son,
Speaker 2: and I'm like this dead silence, and jam asked. Jay
Speaker 2: leans back and he crosses his arms and he plits
Speaker 2: his hands over his mouth, and he goes, fuck, if
Speaker 2: white boys start rhyming like this, we're over yo. I
Speaker 2: need you to come on tour with me with Davy DMX,
Speaker 2: and I need you to open with Davy DMX and
Speaker 2: me and all Benny and Grandma aster D. He's like, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I need you to write for Houdini. We got this
Speaker 2: new album coming out and we need you to write.
Speaker 2: And Tony D's like, nah, this is my artist. It's
Speaker 2: my artist. You gotta talk to me. And I had
Speaker 2: no paperwork none, so I'm like so like, I'm like
Speaker 2: I made it and Tony hands me a contract and
Speaker 2: I signed it. Wait, power of attorney, power of signature,
Speaker 2: all of my royalties, all of my publishing everything. I
Speaker 2: signed everything over because I was just open. How old
Speaker 2: it is, open eighteen, I signed everything. I'm I tell
Speaker 2: my mom, I got a fair deal. Like She's like,
Speaker 2: we should have a lawyer look at it. I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: he would never jerk me. Like took everything and I'm
Speaker 2: just open. Like I'm in the house with the bad Boys.
Speaker 2: They're talking about doing a new record. I'm helping in
Speaker 2: writing for the Glamour Girls who had the answer records
Speaker 2: of Over Veronica. And I'm meeting Sweet Tea, and I'm
Speaker 2: meeting this one and that one. And I'm going into
Speaker 2: the studio with Houdini and I'm writing be Yourself, and
Speaker 2: I'm writing all these other records and be yourself. Yep,
Speaker 2: you might find yourself by yourself. Mill Jackson, Millie Jackson.
Speaker 2: Yeah wow. So I'm doing all this and I'm like,
Speaker 2: and I'm not making a penny. I'm just excited. Like
Speaker 2: I'm just excited. I'm going on tour and I'm doing shows.
Speaker 1: He had a contract just there, yeah, just there, yeah,
Speaker 1: just the straight Baller place.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. It's exactly right. So I signed over
Speaker 2: everything and and I'm doing eighty six. So we signed
Speaker 2: a Warlock. I put out Melissa, which was a terrible record,
Speaker 2: which is the first single I cannot find. I've scoured
Speaker 2: the earth. I'll give you one. I'll give you one.
Speaker 2: Thank you, you will. I don't want hurt or ever
Speaker 2: play it, but I'll give you one. It's terrible, slick
Speaker 2: wor it's bold cousin like, I am fucking horrendous, like
Speaker 2: because that's what I was around for four years. So
Speaker 2: I'm thinking. And it was terrible. It's a terrible record,
Speaker 2: and was in an em search EMC search great nicer, No,
Speaker 2: it's just me. It was Warlock Records. I was signed
Speaker 2: to Adam Levey and Morris Leevy. All right, wow yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'm not making a lot of money, you know
Speaker 2: with my record deal and I'm doing like little shows.
Speaker 2: But I'm making your deal with what was like, did
Speaker 2: you get advanced or anything? No? Nothing, It all went
Speaker 2: to Tony D. So how are you living? So I'm
Speaker 2: basically I'm working. I'm working two jobs. I'm driving Yeshiva
Speaker 2: kids from Queen's to Farakaway to go to Yeshiva. Bill
Speaker 2: just lit up. I bet they were paying that was
Speaker 2: sugar Steve.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying it sounds like Chess Records and reverse
Speaker 3: what happened?
Speaker 2: What happened almost almost famed. I laughed, Yo, Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 2: I was getting paid decent money and I was delivering
Speaker 2: pizza and chicken, so like that's what I was doing. Wait, yeah,
Speaker 2: kids could ever have ever baked chicken? And so I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm making but but what I was really making money
Speaker 2: is my man understanding from Redfern projects. He was seeing that.
Speaker 2: I was like, rhymen, but like he hated my record, Like,
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you this story. This is and I
Speaker 2: know a certain DJ is gonna hate me for this,
Speaker 2: but I love him and he's a OG, but it
Speaker 2: is what it is. So nobody would play the record
Speaker 2: except for Bill Blast and Van d C. They would
Speaker 2: play the record and the Awesome Too would play the record.
Speaker 2: But I was like, yo, we got to get this
Speaker 2: record on Kiss FM. They got to get it on
Speaker 2: Kiss FM, and Red Alert had a theory. It was
Speaker 2: very simple. If he liked the record, he would play it.
Speaker 2: If it's not. He'd say that's not hot, and he
Speaker 2: wouldn't play it. So my record was not hot. He
Speaker 2: was not playing it. But I heard we could get
Speaker 2: to Chuck chill Out if we paid him. So we
Speaker 2: go to see Chuck before he goes on the air,
Speaker 2: and I'm in awe because it's Chuck chill Out and
Speaker 2: it's kiss And I see Tony hand him the Melissa
Speaker 2: record with two hundred dollars attached to the record. Instead
Speaker 2: of seeing the logo, I see the bills, and Chuck
Speaker 2: looks down at me and says, the only reason I'm
Speaker 2: playing this piece of shit is because you paid me.
Speaker 2: And I said thank you. I stuck my hand down.
Speaker 2: I said thank you, thank you very much. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: He played that record for thirty six seconds and took
Speaker 2: the ship off. Wow, not even the first It's horrific. No,
Speaker 2: it wasn't. No record was horrific. Yeah, you don't believe
Speaker 2: the show right now, don't. Oh my god, you search please.
Speaker 2: I never knew that play the record. I love this
Speaker 2: is only because I love you and you've done so
Speaker 2: much for my family. Even well, look, I mean so
Speaker 2: it's this song is thirty one years old. This is education.
Speaker 2: It's just my age. We promise not to laugh. No,
Speaker 2: you know, if you don't laugh, I'll be I'll be pissed.
Speaker 2: This is laugh because you think its been terrible. It's
Speaker 2: that terrible. But I'm one of them silver line motherfuckers.
Speaker 2: Be like, well, I like the breakbeats. So all right,
Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen. Is Melissa on Warlock Records, I'm c
Speaker 2: search Grand Wizards, Tony d Yeah right here on quest
Speaker 2: Lo Supre I cannot wait? Fuck mid that's the B side.
Speaker 2: Oh she's not considered the pleasant, you know. That's the
Speaker 2: B side.
Speaker 1: Is playing like the depth se and that's you kind
Speaker 1: of that's far for the chorus for eighty six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no that was that was not the wasn't winning again?
Speaker 2: No not no, it didn't. But here's the thing, yes
Speaker 2: it did. But because I had made such a stench
Speaker 2: in the city, right, only a few people looked at
Speaker 2: the B side, And one of the people that did
Speaker 2: was a guy named Daddio from Sets of Sign. So
Speaker 2: what Daddyo would do is say, Yo, Search, I want
Speaker 2: you to come on tour with us with Stet and
Speaker 2: then step would do a little bit of their show
Speaker 2: and a little bit of their performance and Daddyo would
Speaker 2: come out and goes, yo, I brought my son with me.
Speaker 2: He's gonna come out and perform, and they would throw
Speaker 2: on the record and I would come out due to
Speaker 2: running Man, the crowd would go crazy, like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: he's like crazy. Right, So that helped like build my
Speaker 2: rep to get to my second single. But between eighty
Speaker 2: five and like eighty seven, what really kind of got
Speaker 2: my repout is that my man, understanding from Redfern knew
Speaker 2: that I was dope off the top of my head,
Speaker 2: like and I would battle anybody. So what he would
Speaker 2: do is he would set up these battles in the
Speaker 2: Five boroughs, like Vandermere Projects in Brooklyn, and he would
Speaker 2: set up something in east Gate and like all of this,
Speaker 2: and he'd be like, Yo, my man search want a battle,
Speaker 2: and they'd be like, yo, put up a hundred, and
Speaker 2: you know, these drug dealers be like that, you know,
Speaker 2: fucking my man is dope. Like yeah, my man whatever,
Speaker 2: it's dope, Like he's dope in the projects, right, He's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: my man will crush him. And then they would see
Speaker 2: me come off the subway like yeah, that's search and
Speaker 2: I'm having the glasses and the mullet and they're like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, two hundred, and I would I would get
Speaker 2: an these ciphers and somebody would beat box and I
Speaker 2: would always let the dude go first, and then I
Speaker 2: would pick apart his verse in front of him and
Speaker 2: spit his rms back at them and tell him how
Speaker 2: wacky was because he said something and he really should
Speaker 2: have said this when he meant this, and da da
Speaker 2: da da da da da bake them, bake them like
Speaker 2: and then everyone ooh right. So one time in the Bronx,
Speaker 2: I'm at this battle and my man's dj inn and
Speaker 2: it was like some serious money. I think it was
Speaker 2: like two seventy five or something. This dude was putting up.
Speaker 2: So we're battling, and I'm like, it's just it's this
Speaker 2: Latin kid, like he's half Latin, half black, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I just went in. I don't know why. I think
Speaker 2: I was like smoking weed or like, I just went
Speaker 2: in and like I started talking about how it's sucking
Speaker 2: his sister and like and I just remember this, and
Speaker 2: this is the one thing I know. And then this
Speaker 2: is the one thing I said. I remember this, and
Speaker 2: I said, just realize a block Keto just smoked you up.
Speaker 2: Don't say a word. This motherfucker is looking at me like, Man,
Speaker 2: I'll fucking kill you.
Speaker 7: I don't even know what that means.
Speaker 2: Shut him out. So at the end of the party,
Speaker 2: my man is asking me to break down his set.
Speaker 2: I got this giant amp in my hand, you know,
Speaker 2: like from eighty five, like the size of car trunk
Speaker 2: right here. Pop and I see the amp and the
Speaker 2: amp cracks in half, and I look up and it's
Speaker 2: the Puerto Rican Kidney's aim in a thirty eight at me.
Speaker 2: Oh so I'm like Brooklyn dip drop the ship. He
Speaker 2: takes two more shots and dip out, run through the subway.
Speaker 2: It's just it's just the word spread like the social
Speaker 2: network news that like you can't battle this kid because
Speaker 2: you're gonna want to kill them. No more project battles,
Speaker 2: some more project battles after rest of all. Okay, that's
Speaker 2: how it's making my money. Like I would make like
Speaker 2: two three hundred a weekend because my man would split and.
Speaker 1: There was nothing to you to just show up at
Speaker 1: Marshy project, nothing, nothing, nothing, and it.
Speaker 7: Never turned into you never had to put your hands
Speaker 7: on anybody.
Speaker 1: Even as gentrified as Brooklyn is now down today. I
Speaker 1: don't even go into a bodega without clearing it first.
Speaker 2: I just you know what, Look, I have some friends
Speaker 2: who are real deep. And it's funny because even like
Speaker 2: in the Latin Quarter, like fifty the original fifty cent
Speaker 2: and a Rock and the Decepticons, and they always looked
Speaker 2: out for me. Like I could go to Gates and
Speaker 2: Green and like have no problem because they'd be like,
Speaker 2: you know, no, I don't fuck with Search. That's fit
Speaker 2: these men, like, don't fuck with them. Don't fuck with them.
Speaker 2: And in Queen's like Tommy Mickens and like all those
Speaker 2: kids fat Cat, like all those dudes that got locked
Speaker 2: up for like one hundred years for like those were
Speaker 2: my boys. Like those were like just my dudes, and
Speaker 2: they'd be like, yo, Search, come over here, kick a
Speaker 2: little kick, a little rum about this this this kid
Speaker 2: over here. So freestyling was your redemption after Melissa. Not
Speaker 2: only my redemption, but it's how I got my deal
Speaker 2: at Death champ Wow, because Deve Funk and klimmeh he
Speaker 2: Rest in Peace used to run the battle for World
Speaker 2: supremacy for New Music Seminar and I had a second
Speaker 2: single that came out on a label that my mother
Speaker 2: started with Tony D called Idler's Records. She put your
Speaker 2: mom owns Isler's. Well, she didn't own it. She put
Speaker 2: up the money to for the first single, which was
Speaker 2: hey boy.
Speaker 7: Your mother went from not knowing what rap was to
Speaker 7: investing in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: She said, wait a minute, based on yeah, hey boy,
Speaker 1: that was you? Yeah that was me, Yo, Lady B
Speaker 1: played that so much.
Speaker 2: That was you, that was me? And you know why
Speaker 2: she played it. You know why she played it? Why
Speaker 2: we did a party for her at a high school
Speaker 2: in Philly. Me and Tony D went up there and
Speaker 2: the crowd started boring me the second they saw me.
Speaker 2: Uh huh. I mean I'm not talking about little Booze
Speaker 2: right right. And I go to Tony, I'll go why
Speaker 2: they booing me? And we already had this plan because
Speaker 2: it happened before. So you always went in this situation
Speaker 2: being underestimated always so. And you know who has the
Speaker 2: tape of this is DJ cash Money or either TAT
Speaker 2: or cash Money. One of them have the tape. They
Speaker 2: have the tape of it. So I said, yo, why
Speaker 2: they boring me? And he said, it's because you're white,
Speaker 2: and I went, get the fuck out of here. If
Speaker 2: anything else see a white boy on say somebody say why,
Speaker 2: well the fuck up? Why say why? Motherfucker? I'll show you.
Speaker 2: Can I play Hey Boy? Yes? Absolutely? Yo? I love
Speaker 2: that record, Yo, Yo, I've never heard this.
Speaker 1: This is the first time, dog, this is this is
Speaker 1: my high school experiences, like listening to Lady B Street
Speaker 1: Beat at like eleven thirty at nine on Power ninety nine,
Speaker 1: and they used to always run this joint. Yo, this
Speaker 1: EMC search hey Boy, I list record. I cannot believe that.
Speaker 2: And the second record we put out was Jimbrowski the
Speaker 2: Jungle Brothers.
Speaker 1: That's why I know Idlers. Yes, that was like that's okay,
Speaker 1: that's I'm mind blowing right now. All right, all right,
Speaker 1: this is of course little Supreme. This is hey Boy
Speaker 1: MC search.
Speaker 2: B and he at a party stone Cold Inlands. Oh
Speaker 2: go in my hand man.
Speaker 9: You know that I was killing the bouncing on the wall.
Speaker 9: He's having a ball. Went out and know where I
Speaker 9: hear this call and that goes.
Speaker 4: Up like.
Speaker 10: People, the people people.
Speaker 9: Well, it all started out and this one's showing. Now
Speaker 9: these words follow me whatever I go from front and behind.
Speaker 2: It blows my mind. Whoever this girl is.
Speaker 9: Mash's being unconn in the US say or even overseas,
Speaker 9: the damn girls from the OSH just to follow me.
Speaker 9: She wants you taunts like a witch or a gona
Speaker 9: sent all that I can do about it? When the
Speaker 9: boss any and turn around and face his voice cold, invisible,
Speaker 9: unstoppable and who sitch?
Speaker 2: I noticeol, why don't you try to recruit I can't, Tony.
Speaker 2: She got me.
Speaker 1: Not for people, dude, like this, there's no feeling like
Speaker 1: you know, the feeling, the feeling that I'll have when
Speaker 1: we finally discover that ECM sample of Crooklyn Crookly, like
Speaker 1: the relief of like I finally found out what this
Speaker 1: sample was. There's like six what I thought were Philly
Speaker 1: records that I've been searching for. I ever knew that
Speaker 1: was MC search. I loved that record. Boy, it was
Speaker 1: like the Wop classic.
Speaker 2: Wait, it was absolutely That's exactly what I was thinking
Speaker 2: about when I made that record, was like, I want
Speaker 2: to do a record that I could wop to. You
Speaker 2: could do the Wop? How old were you when you
Speaker 2: made that? I was twenty nineteen twenty Okay, that was
Speaker 2: eighty seven, eighty seven, eighty eighty seven, and mind you
Speaker 2: like we had sold like seventy five thousand copies of
Speaker 2: that single. I never saw a penny, you know, because
Speaker 2: Tonyd owned everything. So I go to funking Clin he'd
Speaker 2: seen me in the Latin Quarter and he says, Yo,
Speaker 2: you know you should be a part of this battle.
Speaker 2: I know you were on off top of your head.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, cool, Like I'll show up, Yeah, no problem.
Speaker 2: You know there was a battle. There was like sixty
Speaker 2: four ms was crazy, and I battle this dude Ronan
Speaker 2: Row from BMO this source. Yes, he's an MC first. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was signed to Select Records. On the record he
Speaker 2: was a group called Big Men on Campus BMOC that
Speaker 2: was signed by Faith Newman, who started her career a
Speaker 2: single out. Yes, what year was it? Eighty seven? I
Speaker 2: think I had one of those records. So anyway, I
Speaker 2: slayed them like it was embarrassing, Like I slayed them
Speaker 2: like I just just talked now battles, Okay, now, so
Speaker 2: battles that the Battles and New Music Seminar were really
Speaker 2: cool because they threw on beats that producers made, so
Speaker 2: all these producers would just throw on beats or we
Speaker 2: would rhyme to like records that were hot, and we
Speaker 2: were just and it was a countdown clock to ninety
Speaker 2: seconds and then you did what you did and you
Speaker 2: were done. So were real time battles or was it
Speaker 2: real time stuff in your head? No? Real time? Like
Speaker 2: I was off the top of the head, off the head,
Speaker 2: so everything was for me. It was I mean, the
Speaker 2: dudes I was battling wrote and that was my That
Speaker 2: was my claim to fame was that whatever they wrote,
Speaker 2: I'd be like, yo, why do you say that when
Speaker 2: you should have said it like this and da da
Speaker 2: da da dada. Now you get me pissed because blah
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah and you should have da oh.
Speaker 2: I would rip people apart. So the finals were the
Speaker 2: next day at Webster Hall. It's top sixteen and the
Speaker 2: first battle I have is with this guy Raving Tea
Speaker 2: from the Mighty Dismasters. Ah love that record, and he's
Speaker 2: baking people with mama jokes, like he's doing like hip
Speaker 2: hop mama jokes. So this is the only time I
Speaker 2: wrote in that whole battle, I'm like, I gotta come
Speaker 2: up with some mama jokes like to like slam, And
Speaker 2: I set a couple of them in rhyme for them
Speaker 2: and they were terrible, and I lost my flow and
Speaker 2: I froze, and the crowd starts booing me, and I'm
Speaker 2: getting nervous, and then out of his pocket he pulls
Speaker 2: out a piece of paper to get ready, and I
Speaker 2: went oh, and I started pointing at the paper. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 2: that's how you say your rhyme's off a piece of paper.
Speaker 2: You know. Somebody out the crowd, come get me a
Speaker 2: way to so I could serve him a whole new
Speaker 2: plate of rhymes before he's done three to one. My
Speaker 2: job's done. Oh, slay them, Slay them A man you
Speaker 2: can't pull. Where are you are? You're naming? We wait?
Speaker 2: Wasn't Crazy down with the crew that did Veronica?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: You sure you're talking about Craigg from Dropping Signs, Craig G. Yes, No,
Speaker 2: from the bad Boys like Inspect the Gadget Bat. I thought, okay,
Speaker 2: I thought he was on that. Okay, okay it was
Speaker 2: mister Mac. I can't remember, but no, it wasn't Craig g.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're you're just naming like a slew of like
Speaker 1: New York MC's and crews that were on local labels that.
Speaker 2: Were just killing it had impact for like one single
Speaker 2: would never go to the never got to promise.
Speaker 1: Like Dismaster's small time Hustle, like if we if the
Speaker 1: Roots ever do their eventual cover album one day of
Speaker 1: like obscure Ship like that will be my solo joint.
Speaker 1: I think small time hustlers like the last rhyme I'm
Speaker 1: a Bike because I know no one don't know this ship.
Speaker 2: Like it was. It was just such a humorous, hell
Speaker 2: larryous song and what happened I don't know. It was
Speaker 2: about rhythm, like like after I beat him, I never
Speaker 2: saw him again. So I come off stage and miss
Speaker 2: the Magic is behind me, and he skied up and
Speaker 2: he's like, yo, white boy, give me the mic. I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm about to go on. He's like, motherfucker, don't you
Speaker 2: know who I am? I'm missed the Magic. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck who you are. Right now,
Speaker 2: I'm about to go on stage and they call me
Speaker 2: and the dude douses me with a thing of water.
Speaker 2: So it was red Alert was a judge. It was
Speaker 2: the dude from Utfo who I'm also deed who went
Speaker 2: to rehab, not a gangle, no, not educated rapper. And
Speaker 2: somebody George Hinehosa from raps. Oh wow, they were they
Speaker 2: were the judges. And I was battling this dude Bango
Speaker 2: who was signed to Rap Syndicate, and I'm like, you
Speaker 2: know what, I'm not even gonna worry about this dude,
Speaker 2: I said, Yo, put the beat on. I gotta tell
Speaker 2: you all the story. And then I went on a
Speaker 2: diatribe about how mister Maddie was really missed the tragic
Speaker 2: and w b LS was really w b L Fest
Speaker 2: because you couldn't get records played unless you put money
Speaker 2: under the table, and dude snorts coke and I'm going
Speaker 2: on and I'm like, yo, I would never go to BLFS.
Speaker 2: I'd rather listen to Red Alert all day, just going yee.
Speaker 1: And you didn't feel no sort of because back then,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you get bum rush for some ship? No?
Speaker 2: Not, because I had all my people with me. So
Speaker 2: again and I'm like, educated rap, I'm glad you're feeling better,
Speaker 2: and like, you know, like I just pointing everybody. Real
Speaker 2: time real time RAPS crowd goes crazy Bengo does this
Speaker 2: whole other verse about saving South Africa as something.
Speaker 11: Zama mosam peon, so let us speak so to the
Speaker 11: hundred who does that thing?
Speaker 2: So then I just take my name off the There
Speaker 2: was this big thing a fell car and I said,
Speaker 2: my name is Search. I'm about unity, not black or white.
Speaker 2: Don't want to have a hip hop community. And I'm
Speaker 2: just like going off the top of my head. And
Speaker 2: like in a crowd goes crazy crazy and I go
Speaker 2: backstage and they're about to do the voting and I
Speaker 2: feel somebody rubbing my shoulders and I turn around. It's
Speaker 2: Russell and he says, if anybody asks you, tell me
Speaker 2: you signed the Deaf Jam.
Speaker 10: Wow.
Speaker 2: And my mother and my father win the audience. Wait
Speaker 2: what club? It was the web Webster Hall, New Music Seminary,
Speaker 2: No No, No, the New Music Seminar Battle. So they
Speaker 2: came with me and I said, Mom, I think I
Speaker 2: just got a record deal, like ya da da da dah.
Speaker 2: But there were two problems to that. Problem Number one
Speaker 2: was Tony d Problem Number two was coordinating everything with
Speaker 2: Pete and getting that together because he thought I was
Speaker 2: a soloist, right, So now I have a real attorney
Speaker 2: go through the Tony d contract and there's a bubble
Speaker 2: already in the street, like, oh, search a sign and
Speaker 2: to death jam, search a sign of death Jam. So
Speaker 2: in the contract my lawyer finds it a clause that says,
Speaker 2: if you want release at the fourth year of the contract,
Speaker 2: you can at thirty days send a letter of release
Speaker 2: to a PO Box office in Brooklyn that I knew
Speaker 2: Tony never checked because that's where he sent all his bills.
Speaker 2: It was a really weird clause. It was an escape clause.
Speaker 2: Why would he provide that. I have no idea, Like
Speaker 2: I said, I think it was a boiler play contract.
Speaker 2: And he didn't even really read it. So before I
Speaker 2: started negotiating with Russell, we sent them the exit clause.
Speaker 2: I had to wait six months and I sent him
Speaker 2: the exit clause and I sent it to that PO
Speaker 2: Box office and I sent it and I was out
Speaker 2: of the contract. But when I did that, I also
Speaker 2: when I did that, and when I did that, I
Speaker 2: also relinquished all the rights to Jambrowski, all the rights
Speaker 2: to Hey Boy. And that next month Red Alert did
Speaker 2: that nine hundred thousand dollars deal with the Jungle Brothers
Speaker 2: to Warner Brothers. So I lost all that money to
Speaker 2: that deal because I was a partner in Idler, so
Speaker 2: I had to give I had to walk away from that.
Speaker 2: So they it was eight hundred and seventy five thousands.
Speaker 2: So I'm sorry that for done by the forces, done
Speaker 2: by the forces of nature. So did you always think
Speaker 2: you were going to get the money? And the first no,
Speaker 2: I knew. My lawyer told me if he if they
Speaker 2: ever went and sold the Masters, that I would never
Speaker 2: get the money because this basically relinquished me from all rights.
Speaker 2: So I knew it was just like it was a
Speaker 2: rast wash. It was a wash. So it was like
Speaker 2: freedom for a wash. You know. I looked at my
Speaker 2: career the first half of my career as these are
Speaker 2: the dues I will pay to get to blank. You know.
Speaker 2: I always thought that in the twenties you learn. At
Speaker 2: the thirties you churn, so you sift out, and then
Speaker 2: the forties you earn ye, and then sixties and then
Speaker 2: the fifties on you return, so you pay back. So
Speaker 2: that's how like I kind of always looked at my
Speaker 2: life and I always kind of because of that plan.
Speaker 2: I always said, Okay, I'm gonna be here when I'm thirty,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be here when I'm forty. I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: here when I'm fifty. Like I always kind of try
Speaker 2: to map out my life and try to follow it.
Speaker 2: And of course it didn't always I thought it would,
Speaker 2: but it was close. Like I said, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be an executive producer of a record in ninety four,
Speaker 2: and then you know, NOAs came out and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: sign a production deal with Warner Brothers in ninety six,
Speaker 2: and then I did nonfiction.
Speaker 1: So repeat this mantra one more time, and it's twenty
Speaker 1: as you learn in the thirties turn so you.
Speaker 2: Forties you earned in the fifties, you were returned, get back.
Speaker 2: I was just making sure no one burned or anything, right, No,
Speaker 2: no learning learning is there's there's burning and learning. Like
Speaker 2: you have to sometimes give up things to learn. Things
Speaker 2: you also have to lose to learn. Those are the
Speaker 2: valuable lessons. Like look, when the Roots got signed, you
Speaker 2: were like it was a demo of you guys playing overseas,
Speaker 2: Like it was like you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 2: when you did your deal with when the Goldstein, there
Speaker 2: was no even knowledge of the roots in the US.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So like whatever deal you made,
Speaker 2: that was, that was your learning period, that was your
Speaker 2: learning curve. It was and if it wasn't for those records,
Speaker 2: if it wasn't for those first two albums, you would
Speaker 2: not have established yourself the way you did. And then
Speaker 2: the rest of it was churning, so sifting through people,
Speaker 2: and thank goodness you found Richard in your life. May
Speaker 2: you rest in peace. And then you had all of that,
Speaker 2: and now is your earning period and you deserve that,
Speaker 2: and then you will return that and you you know,
Speaker 2: so I'm saying, like, that's just I'm not returning money.
Speaker 7: It's not about me. He just means return to the
Speaker 7: world where my money, to make sure you heard searched
Speaker 7: what he said. But then you will return it. We
Speaker 7: talk about this a lot on this show.
Speaker 2: So I just we have a lot of people being
Speaker 2: here is returning so anyway, but to get back. So
Speaker 2: the deaf Jam deal kind of comes through and Leore,
Speaker 2: who's now managing Rush thinks still thinks I'm a soloist.
Speaker 2: So I'm doing records on the side with Sam sever
Speaker 2: I'm doing a demo as a soloist because that's you know,
Speaker 2: Dante Ross is now involved because he's you know, my
Speaker 2: boy signed a rush, and like, you know, it's a
Speaker 2: whole different paradigm shift of who I'm dealing with. Like
Speaker 2: Lyyor knew me because he'd seen me perform with jam
Speaker 2: Master J, and jam Master JA introduced me to you know,
Speaker 2: it was just like this whole connection of this insulated
Speaker 2: people that I grew up around over the last three
Speaker 2: years in hip.
Speaker 4: Hop, I want to I wanted to ask you about man,
Speaker 4: talk about him because he was just a guy I
Speaker 4: always thought, never got the credit.
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, You're absolutely right. Sam started his career
Speaker 2: doing beats with Mantronics, all the early sleeping bag stuff,
Speaker 2: even like Hungry for Your Love, and then Hanson and
Speaker 2: David Hung was Sam seven did the percussion, He did
Speaker 2: the beats, So wait, what was he doing for Mantronics?
Speaker 2: He was doing the beats? Is the crew? So yeah,
Speaker 2: him and him and wait a minute, so Sam his
Speaker 2: career four beats with Sam, Sam and Mantronics together. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so all of that stuff, Hungry for You Love, Joyce,
Speaker 2: Sim's Colonel and Curl and Abrams all of that, and
Speaker 2: then he did the beats for Tougher than Leather and
Speaker 2: that's how he got connected into Rush and Deaf Cham
Speaker 2: and all of that. Really. Yeah, so Dante and Sam
Speaker 2: were best friends. They used to do graffiti together. Sam
Speaker 2: used to write sever and Dante Ross used to write system,
Speaker 2: so they used to do graffiti all the time. And
Speaker 2: Dante was like, Yo, you got to hook up man, Sam.
Speaker 2: Sam will work on your demo for Deaf Jam. Right,
Speaker 2: So I'm going I'm doing these records and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: keep it one hundred with you. Like I was happy
Speaker 2: with them because I would love being in Chunk King
Speaker 2: and I love being the studio with Sam. And we
Speaker 2: would go to Sam's he I mean he lived right
Speaker 2: around the corner and Canal, Like we would be in
Speaker 2: his apartment, He'd have his sp'd have his Acai. We
Speaker 2: would demo, demo, demo, and then we go into studio
Speaker 2: and then spend twelve, fourteen to fifteen hours in the
Speaker 2: studio like sandwiches, smoke weed and stay up all night
Speaker 2: and like be in a studio and Kevin Reynolds, who
Speaker 2: was our engineer at the time. It was just fun,
Speaker 2: but there was something that was like missing for me, like,
Speaker 2: and I know you feel this and fun, I know
Speaker 2: you can relate to this. The Jews can't, but I
Speaker 2: know you can't. You know when you make a record
Speaker 2: and there's that thing in the back of your neck
Speaker 2: that's like not right, suspect, like yeah, loved it when
Speaker 2: I said it, played it back, skeptical suspect, but maybe right,
Speaker 2: and nobody will notice, but they always do. They always notice,
Speaker 2: Like that's how I felt about my demo. I'm like, eh, skeptical,
Speaker 2: little suspect topic, but as maybe I'm just being over critical.
Speaker 2: And sure enough, Leon and Russell decide that the guy
Speaker 2: who created their deal at Deaf Jamm at Columbia, guy
Speaker 2: named Steve Rabowski who went to A and M and
Speaker 2: was the president at A and M. He was looking
Speaker 2: for two soloists. There was a kid in Euston named Raheem,
Speaker 2: and there was a kid in New York named mc search,
Speaker 2: and he was gonna sign one of us. So Steve
Speaker 2: Rabowski is being lined up like Lear's like, Yo, you
Speaker 2: gotta sign this kid Search. He's incredible. So he's flying
Speaker 2: out to see me, And that same night Dante calls
Speaker 2: Sam and says, Yo, there's this dude, a friend of
Speaker 2: mine who I played ball with. He's stuck in the studio.
Speaker 2: Clark Kent was supposed to meet him. He fronted on him,
Speaker 2: He's got all this money lined into doing this demo, Like,
Speaker 2: can you, Sam, can you go over there and help them?
Speaker 2: And Sam goes to Chunk King and it turned out
Speaker 2: to be this kid named Pete Nice and Pete Nice
Speaker 2: was working on this record that he had this sample
Speaker 2: from some alternative band Okay. And the next day in
Speaker 2: the morning, Sam calls me. He's like, yo, dude, you
Speaker 2: need to come meet this dude. I'm like who. He's like,
Speaker 2: Pete Nice. I'm like, I know Pete. Like he's managed
Speaker 2: by Lamumba Carson, Like I know Pete. Yeah. So I
Speaker 2: go to Sam's house and there's Pete and they play.
Speaker 2: They're like, yo, I got this sample. It's from this
Speaker 2: band Depeche Mode. Sam's like, yo, I freaked the sample.
Speaker 2: I added the drums and I hear brown brown bam
Speaker 2: brown bam brom brown brown brown brown. Damn dun damn
Speaker 2: dawn durn damn. Don't darn hard at hard as Chinese
Speaker 2: arithmetic avant garda not a heredic stick out a ride
Speaker 2: around picking in my cranium. Pete nice elementary like uranium,
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, oh shit, I'm like, yo, I
Speaker 2: got a verse. We go back to the lab, so
Speaker 2: where's it was? No original? We go back to the lab.
Speaker 2: We go chunk king. I drop my verse literally in
Speaker 2: three takes. Then Pete does another verse and I do
Speaker 2: another verse, and in the same breath we do triple
Speaker 2: stage darkness, and we do one other record like in
Speaker 2: a matter of hours. It's like Anna arranged marriage, Like no, no, no,
Speaker 2: you know each other's last names. No, we did, We
Speaker 2: didn't know we know each other. Look, I'm gonna keep
Speaker 2: it like one hundred. Like I used to like laugh
Speaker 2: at Pete when he used to try to get in
Speaker 2: a Latin quarter, like he'd be like, yo, sir, took
Speaker 2: me up. And I'm like okay, pal, and I just
Speaker 2: keep it moving. And now here he is and he's
Speaker 2: like kind of a competitor of mine on rush and
Speaker 2: I'm like huh, you know, and I'm like, all right,
Speaker 2: let's just form a group. And Sam's like I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be the DJ and we'll be three to hard way.
Speaker 2: So prior to the recording, you and Pete, y'all knew
Speaker 2: of each other, but didn't know each other. Didn't know
Speaker 2: each other.
Speaker 1: Wow, So wait, can I ask something? Sure, you remember
Speaker 1: the first time you ever heard terminator X peak?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, And it's like.
Speaker 1: Right, because of Pete's tough exterior, Like was he really
Speaker 1: a do we even a geek?
Speaker 2: No? It wasn't that. He just had a lot of
Speaker 2: like because he played balls. He's very shorm pinish. He's
Speaker 2: very short pinish. That's a very very good way to say.
Speaker 2: He had a lot of Yeah, he had a lot
Speaker 2: of swag with m okay or a lot of flavor. Okay,
Speaker 2: a lot of flavor with him, Spunky, I felt you
Speaker 2: had the flavor and he was this really tough man.
Speaker 2: What transpired was I was like the street kid and
Speaker 2: he was like cleaned up and he had like the
Speaker 2: esoteric versus. But I always connected to the street dudes,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, and that's kind of
Speaker 2: how we were always perceived, Like he was in a
Speaker 2: suit and tie and in a cane, and I was
Speaker 2: always like minister. Yeah. So Steve Rabowski comes to Chunk
Speaker 2: King and me, Sam and Peter sitting there and this
Speaker 2: other dude that used to do A and R who
Speaker 2: wound up doing stuff for like Slayer. A guy named
Speaker 2: Scott Koonig is with Steve and he's like, yo, so Search,
Speaker 2: tell me about yourself and I'm like, yeah, but it's
Speaker 2: not Search anymore. It's this group called three the Hard Way.
Speaker 2: Check it out and we play him words a wisdom dumping,
Speaker 2: play him, triple stage darkness dumping, play him, prop of
Speaker 2: the environment, dump him. He's like, ah, I don't get
Speaker 2: the group thing. It's too much like the Beasties. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, Beasties. Like I said, we got credibility
Speaker 2: in the street. He's like, Eh, let me think about it.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, okay, you know, go think about it.
Speaker 2: An hour later we're in the studio. An hour later,
Speaker 2: John King, who owns Chunk King, goes Leor just cut
Speaker 2: all your funding. You're all fucking kicked out of the session.
Speaker 2: You're all You're all done, get out, Get out now.
Speaker 2: I go to rush. Leor is fuming like, Yo, you
Speaker 2: had a fucking deal, you fucking cocksucker. You had a
Speaker 2: fucking deal. I gave you a fucking deal. You fucked
Speaker 2: up the deal with these two fuck cards. I don't
Speaker 2: even know who the fuck they are. And I'm like, wait,
Speaker 2: he's not signed to Rush. Fuck no, I don't know him,
Speaker 2: you fucking asshole. Get that right, Because Johntay and Sam
Speaker 2: had made it seem like Pete was also signed to Rush.
Speaker 2: He wasn't. He wasn't signed to Rush.
Speaker 3: He wasn't.
Speaker 2: Up. Sorry, so I'll never forget. My mom was like, well,
Speaker 2: I heard about this thing called hype man. Can like, peep,
Speaker 2: be your hype man and you'll be empty Search and
Speaker 2: it'll be featuring Pete Nice and you'll their knowledge. Right,
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know where a group that's It's just
Speaker 2: the way it is. And basically they kicked us to
Speaker 2: the curb. And it wasn't until that battle that Russell
Speaker 2: came back and was like, Yo, if anybody asked, you
Speaker 2: signed the Deaf Jam And that's how the circle kind
Speaker 2: of developed itself. So yeah, so when when Rust came back,
Speaker 2: that was after correct they kicked on.
Speaker 1: If you're just joining us, uh, we're chatting with mc
Speaker 1: search and his many many, many, many many tales the
Speaker 1: Great Adventures of.
Speaker 2: Em listened to get on the road.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't even get to the first single all right,
Speaker 1: you kind of you kind of passed a period that
Speaker 1: every guest that's been on this show has gone through.
Speaker 2: You gotta give us a Latin Quarter story. I have thousands.
Speaker 2: Give us your best three story. The best three number
Speaker 2: one for me of all time was Scylar Rock May
Speaker 2: Rest in Peace, krs and Melle Mel. Yes, so have
Speaker 2: you heard the story?
Speaker 1: So the pushups Q tip has told this story that
Speaker 1: he was there. Okay, all right, so that's a legendary
Speaker 1: when we've heard what was Mel's role.
Speaker 2: In the Latin Quarter. Mel's role was he was the Heckler. No,
Speaker 2: not a heckler. He was like Waller. Yeah, yeah, he's
Speaker 2: the elder Statesman. You know, there was this this strange
Speaker 2: paradigm around eighty six eighty seven that was more like
Speaker 2: there was the Old Guard. So you had Pheelis Forward
Speaker 2: Problems of the World Today, and you had Mel and
Speaker 2: Graham Haster Flash, and then you had you know, you
Speaker 2: had Tela Rock, and you had all these great and
Speaker 2: you know, Treacherous three and you had all of that
Speaker 2: and then so they were still coming to the Latin Quarter. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they were all like busy Bee. For sure, Busy b
Speaker 2: would do his routines.
Speaker 1: A bomb to the Bombed one of the first hip
Speaker 1: hop club to come to Manhattan.
Speaker 2: Yes, and was that a big deal? Yes, it was
Speaker 2: a huge deal. It started with Celebrity Tuesdays. The Awesome
Speaker 2: Two would have a showcase called Celebrity Tuesdays. They had
Speaker 2: the Real like their show was like a big show
Speaker 2: in New York, their radio show. So they would have
Speaker 2: like celebrities come out. And then Paradise and Lamumba got
Speaker 2: together and started promoting Thursday, Friday and Saturday at the
Speaker 2: Latin Quarter. And basically what would happen is all the
Speaker 2: yardis would come out like they would do after hours party,
Speaker 2: I mean after work party, and then we would go in,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So the yardis like Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
Speaker 2: and then Fat Raoul would be DJ. Rowl would be
Speaker 2: the house DJ, and then we would come in and
Speaker 2: then it would be the hip hop night, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 1: And now, now how were the owners with this or
Speaker 1: was it just like so the owners were it was
Speaker 1: like Timberland, like, ah, okay, blacks here, so we might
Speaker 1: as well just.
Speaker 2: Just fucking accept it. And so yeah, yeah, no, Mike Oldberg,
Speaker 2: it was weird because Mike Oldberg, who is still alive
Speaker 2: and still lives in the city and own the Latin
Speaker 2: Quarter from the thirties and it's funny, you want to
Speaker 2: hear them crazy my mother performed at the Latin Quarter
Speaker 2: Crazy nineteen thirty eight. So he always knew that there
Speaker 2: was this vibe in this energy around this music, and
Speaker 2: his only concern was to keep people safe and to
Speaker 2: make money, like that's all he cared about, Like he
Speaker 2: didn't want anybody getting hurt and he just wanted to
Speaker 2: get paid, like that was no. But every night, like
Speaker 2: somebody got hurt, Like every night, it was like ridiculous.
Speaker 1: So you would go there knowing because the thing I
Speaker 1: can't understand is the fact that everyone that gives a
Speaker 1: Latin Quarter story really is sort of bypassing the risk
Speaker 1: factor involved.
Speaker 2: It was incredible risk, so but you didn't really so
Speaker 2: you still felt like, oh, the energy was incredible, the
Speaker 2: injury was incredible, and Yo, there were so many great records,
Speaker 2: so many artists like Fresh Force, like they had a
Speaker 2: great record, She's a skeezer, and then all of a
Speaker 2: sudden they become kid in Play and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 2: that's that's like I remember Fresh Force, and then I
Speaker 2: would see this group that did a crazy ass record
Speaker 2: Corny called I Like Cherries because cherries taste better, and
Speaker 2: Grapes of Sour and then a year letter they're the
Speaker 2: Audio two and they do you know, top Billin and
Speaker 2: you know supernatural mcs. All of a sudden they become
Speaker 2: salt and pepper like it was all of this amalgam.
Speaker 2: Like I saw Public Enemy performed through their first show
Speaker 2: and get booed the fuck off stage. Yeah, can you
Speaker 2: describe that because no one has the definitive? Okay, so
Speaker 2: they def jam booked like an album release party for
Speaker 2: a public animals yo bummers. So yes, it was a
Speaker 2: Thursday night right, kind of half empty, a lot of
Speaker 2: industry types whatever, a lot of magazine people checking them out,
Speaker 2: and then the typical crowd that was in there, like
Speaker 2: you know fifty and Decepticons and Violators and like all
Speaker 2: the you know, five Borough kids and they come on
Speaker 2: with my nine gear o'smobile and all you hear is
Speaker 2: like boom and flavors dancing around and oh boom. I
Speaker 2: mean it was horrific. Really, it sounded terrible and they
Speaker 2: did one song and what people they did you're going
Speaker 2: to get you us? Yeah? They didn't go over wow No,
Speaker 2: And literally Russell was like pulling them off stage. And
Speaker 2: what people don't realize is the Latin Quarter stage, even
Speaker 2: though it's ten feet high, was maybe only six feet wide,
Speaker 2: so you really didn't have a lot of movements. So
Speaker 2: the s ones are trying to move around and it
Speaker 2: was just it was just it was not good. And
Speaker 2: then a year later so there really and it became
Speaker 2: literally like that became the song, Like what was the
Speaker 2: song that you had the rhythm of the rebel without
Speaker 2: a pause? I'm that was the club though. That was
Speaker 2: Tuck your Chain. B For about three months that record
Speaker 2: came on. Then you just danced your ass off touching chaining. No,
Speaker 2: you just danced your ass off, and that record became
Speaker 2: the biggest record in New York and the hypeist record
Speaker 2: in New York. And month four it was tuck your
Speaker 2: chain and get off the fucking dance floor. And the
Speaker 2: kids who were Nujacks to Latin Quarter, they got robbed
Speaker 2: because all the other kids I owe you dances and
Speaker 2: all that. We were already on the side. We were
Speaker 2: just watching the girls violated like they would just be
Speaker 2: like pip off. Yeah, that became that became the record
Speaker 2: that like you just that you knew there was also
Speaker 2: ultra magnetic mcs. Here we go off the off the floor,
Speaker 2: off the floor. So when you hear these gunshots not
Speaker 2: gunshots of.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, sirs, you got so many Disney moments.
Speaker 1: Lord, having see in my mind Rebel without a pause
Speaker 1: was like like you were too young? How old were
Speaker 1: you in nineteen eighty seven?
Speaker 2: Eight?
Speaker 1: So I mean you might did you order did you
Speaker 1: took it down economics? Like, yeah, I had got I
Speaker 1: had bone Rusher show. My aunt at the time. I
Speaker 1: guess she was like, no, no, no, no, it wasn't her.
Speaker 1: My aunt was straight like black yuppie Phillis Timond like.
Speaker 4: She was record oh man straight, go Huggins baby, So
Speaker 4: yeah she was that. But my aunt she had I
Speaker 4: guess it was a guy she was dating at the time.
Speaker 1: He had the Public Enemy tape and she had it
Speaker 1: in her She had a little box she would take
Speaker 1: the t school. She was a school teacher, and so
Speaker 1: she had a little radio that she would take to
Speaker 1: school with her. And I'm shattered in the trunk and
Speaker 1: there was a copy of Nation of millions in the
Speaker 1: in the radio and I just played it and I
Speaker 1: was like, what the fuck is this?
Speaker 2: And I just played it over and over and over.
Speaker 2: Nation of Millions was really a year after like Yo
Speaker 2: Russia show correcked, But people did a rewind because as
Speaker 2: soon as Rebel came out and Nations came out, all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, Yo comes out and I mean they
Speaker 2: come back to it and it's like, oh, oh is
Speaker 2: Jenius right right? This is crap, right, this is how
Speaker 2: did we sleep on this? So it was really one
Speaker 2: of these things where the Latin Quarter was really about
Speaker 2: the true energy of New York. So it was about
Speaker 2: music getting broke. It was literally the information super Highway
Speaker 2: because the five boroughs went in that building, even Connecticut,
Speaker 2: even some kids from like Rhode Island every once in
Speaker 2: a while, kids from Philly and DC, like you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. Like it was so if you ripped
Speaker 2: on that stage, within two days, everybody knew you would
Speaker 2: get a call from me, like your untie and like
Speaker 2: Allentown and like my aunt Caroll would call me and go,
Speaker 2: I heard you had a good show at the Latin
Speaker 2: Quarter the other night. My student bleaz A Spleet I
Speaker 2: mean it was like the Information super Highway. So it
Speaker 2: was really like the center. The nucleus of New York
Speaker 2: music for four years was the Latin Quarter. And then
Speaker 2: were offshoots, like you know, you had the rooftop on
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty fifth like that was cool, and
Speaker 2: you had Union Square and that was cool, you know,
Speaker 2: and you had little things like that, like you Square
Speaker 2: was a club. Union Square, was it? No one ever
Speaker 2: talked about Union Square? Yeah, right right?
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 2: Union Square had had a really cool vibe. Clark Kent
Speaker 2: was the DJ, the first Fresh Prince Jazz Jeff, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that was that was the first time I ever
Speaker 2: saw Jazz Jeff do the Bluebird scratch? Right was that
Speaker 2: at Union Square? Wow? In fact, I have a signed
Speaker 2: Fresh Prince Jazzy Jeff record from Pop Art Parents man
Speaker 2: really yeah, Jesus before they signed to Jive and all
Speaker 2: of that. So there were definitely pockets, but then there
Speaker 2: were underground pockets. So you had the world downtown and
Speaker 2: like Iced Tea and Ron Syndicate, like that's where Ice
Speaker 2: Tea got to start in New York with six in
Speaker 2: the morning like that that popped off in the world
Speaker 2: like that was and Russell would be a the world
Speaker 2: and then you'd go at four o'clock in the morning
Speaker 2: to save the robot across the street and then save
Speaker 2: the robot was like underground reggae and like really dark,
Speaker 2: deep dark like rap records like JVC Force Strong Island,
Speaker 2: like you would hear it there, like you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Or you would go uptown to the SNS
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty fifth in Lenox and Star Child
Speaker 2: would be in there and he'd be playing like unreleased shit,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And you'd be eating breakfast
Speaker 2: at like eleven o'clock in the morning after partying all
Speaker 2: night and dude shooting dice and like you'd leave it
Speaker 2: like twelve noon, you know what I'm saying, like, and
Speaker 2: you would be you. And that was the rotation. That
Speaker 2: was a rotation four years Like that was the rotation.
Speaker 2: Eleven eleven two or ten two one at the Latin Quarter,
Speaker 2: one to two at Union Square, two to three thirty
Speaker 2: at the Rooftop, three thirty to eight thirty in the
Speaker 2: morning at SNS, you go get breakfast and then you'd
Speaker 2: head home.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm gonna take this time. I see how
Speaker 1: cocaine got popular.
Speaker 7: Yeah right, I'm tireless.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take this time to segue into what I
Speaker 1: feel is your greatest story of all time. Because I
Speaker 1: was shocked that he gave a performance at the Latin Quarter.
Speaker 1: But now that I think about it, at least according
Speaker 1: to at least according to Dante, Now am I to
Speaker 1: believed that Hammer performed at the Latin Quarter and it
Speaker 1: wasn't too novel or I get the film that Hammer
Speaker 1: did the new Music seminar and it didn't go over.
Speaker 2: Well, that's correct, but it wasn't the Latin Quarter. It was.
Speaker 2: It wasn't Latin Quarter. It was I don't I don't remember,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't Latin Quarter. But here's the thing with Hammer.
Speaker 2: So and I'll get to that too. So I used
Speaker 2: to go on the road. I was basically Houdini's valet.
Speaker 2: I used to like iron their clothes, and like I
Speaker 2: used to have like a list of girls that like
Speaker 2: in San Francisco, this girl can't meet this girl, and
Speaker 2: Grandmaster he has this girl over here, and ecstasy and
Speaker 2: like you know, like I used to you know all
Speaker 2: of that. So they take me out to a celebrity
Speaker 2: basketball game and there's this new rapper in Oakland named
Speaker 2: Hammer who's doing this thing right, and all my boys
Speaker 2: are telling me, yo, you should battle him. He thinks
Speaker 2: he can dance, like you should battle him. You should
Speaker 2: battle him, right. So he pulls up in this white
Speaker 2: Cadillac and I'm like, yo, man, let's battle. He's like,
Speaker 2: who the fuck is that's how you say hello? Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's exactly how Like I'm just balls in New Yorker
Speaker 2: like fuck you. I don't care where you're from. I'm
Speaker 2: from New York and what. So I'm like, yo, I
Speaker 2: heard you could dance. Let's battle and he's like fuck you.
Speaker 2: I'm like, fuck me, b come on, come out the call,
Speaker 2: let's battle, right. He takes off. I'm like, ah, that
Speaker 2: kid's a pussy like whatever, right right, So we segue
Speaker 2: into like the new Music seminar. He gets booed like
Speaker 2: it's not gonna happen for him. Ya da da da da,
Speaker 2: and then he does that hole, yo, you hit New York, right,
Speaker 2: And then that's a disc to run DMC. What just
Speaker 2: don't do it's sacriligious, it's just you don't And the Beginning.
Speaker 4: Music Center, No, they didn't. Some new just saw new
Speaker 4: York was New York, wasn't trying to hear him, okay,
Speaker 4: and that was a particular disc to run.
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's that's what we all felt. We all
Speaker 2: felt that way, whether that's in the video was like
Speaker 2: the extras that he's this right, are dressed like exactly right.
Speaker 2: But they didn't dis in per se. No, they didn't
Speaker 2: say he never said f run DMC and Master Jay.
Speaker 2: It just happened to be that they were in a
Speaker 2: dida suits with hats on, looking real.
Speaker 1: So on on a quiminized chunky fire when they played
Speaker 1: that Source clip at the end with you, we just
Speaker 1: want to say the South got something to say.
Speaker 2: I kind of had.
Speaker 1: I kind of got Big Boy to admit a little
Speaker 1: bit that they felt some sort of way about all
Speaker 1: East Coast rappers because we really weren't yelling with outcasts all.
Speaker 2: That much in the beginning.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, we're cool shit now, but like in
Speaker 1: the beginning, they had a chip on his shoulders because
Speaker 1: they just assumed that anyone who was at the Source
Speaker 1: Awards booing them as they got best new artists was
Speaker 1: like a part of it.
Speaker 2: So obviously you're with there, so you know, like right,
Speaker 2: so you know this is like a general blanket thing.
Speaker 2: So now just and for me, for jam Master j
Speaker 2: to be the one in that room in that basement
Speaker 2: in Cgate in nineteen eighty five to co sign me
Speaker 2: and tell me like, yo, meet us at the bus
Speaker 2: outside of Hollis Ave and like get on the bus
Speaker 2: with Rounnie Ray and all of us and open with
Speaker 2: Davy DMX and do what you do and him giving
Speaker 2: me like great advice on how to rhyme and ron
Speaker 2: flowing and hanging out with Joey and DMC and just
Speaker 2: and being a part of that. Like my biggest mistake
Speaker 2: is I loved hip hop so much I felt I
Speaker 2: had to protect it at all costs. Like I really
Speaker 2: thought it was my job savior. No, not the same captain.
Speaker 2: I felt like I was the night at the roundtable
Speaker 2: who was the defender of the culture because it had
Speaker 2: given me so much, like it had given me, the
Speaker 2: streets had given me so much, The Quarter gave me
Speaker 2: so much. Like there were so many times that fifty
Speaker 2: was like your search back out, We're about to stick
Speaker 2: this whole place up, like get out, Like these dudes
Speaker 2: were looking out for me. So it's like this motherfucker
Speaker 2: from Oakland, the fuck you doing? You're whack. Your ship
Speaker 2: is whack. Period. It wasn't like, you know, f you
Speaker 2: as a human being, but it was like, you're a
Speaker 2: whack MC, You're whack.
Speaker 1: I think you're the first person I ever heard call
Speaker 1: out someone's credibility.
Speaker 2: I mean not in terms of like L and coolmo
Speaker 2: D going into each other or saying you whack like
Speaker 2: you yeah to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like when I saw the gas Face video,
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, they're they're really defending hard, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Austin jam Master Jay with the hammer
Speaker 2: and we had the two big MC lookalike grab the
Speaker 2: hammer and we kicked him in his ass and like,
Speaker 2: you know, so the real the beef really came about
Speaker 2: a line on Cactus, Yes, where we based. But here's
Speaker 2: the thing and again, like people who knew us, we
Speaker 2: would never dis somebody's mom. It was wordlay yeah, because
Speaker 2: we're album. Our album was much better than Turn His
Speaker 2: Mother Out. Cactus Turned ham his Mother Out is like
Speaker 2: a that's a known fact, Like your shit is whack
Speaker 2: compared to the Cactus. Nobody's checking for your shit. Twenty
Speaker 2: five years later, my shit is still bumping and that's unfortunately,
Speaker 2: but that's how I feel today as almost a fifty
Speaker 2: year old man, Like I'm still like, Yo, your shit
Speaker 2: is whack, you know what I mean. So I took
Speaker 2: it on my shoulder like I was like, I have
Speaker 2: to protect this, like I have to. So we're getting
Speaker 2: ready to come out to LA and we're doing a
Speaker 2: whole week of promotion like that Cactus is doing real well.
Speaker 2: We're doing a Product of the Environment Jeep giveaway a Kday.
Speaker 2: You're like, there's all this cool shit. I've never been
Speaker 2: to LA before. So I got chantel with me. Peek
Speaker 2: out his girl Rock saying Daddy Rich got his girl Mone.
Speaker 2: We're like, we're all all excited. We're getting to JFK.
Speaker 2: We're getting ready to go on a plane and there's
Speaker 2: a call that comes into Carmen Ashhurst Watson, who is
Speaker 2: at then the president of Deaf Chain, and we believe
Speaker 2: it was Louis Barrell Hama's brother, and he says, YO
Speaker 2: is third base still coming to LA And she goes, yeah, why,
Speaker 2: He goes good, They're dead and hangs up the phone.
Speaker 2: So she's like, hmm, that's kind of weird. Like so
Speaker 2: she calls Russell and like, Russell, I think there might
Speaker 2: be a problem with third base, Like I think they
Speaker 2: might be in danger. So Russell does what he does.
Speaker 2: He reaches out to the person who's closest to the street,
Speaker 2: which is Eric B and he calls Eric Barrier and
Speaker 2: he's like, Yo, Eric, can you find out if there's
Speaker 2: something going on about third base in LA. Within twenty
Speaker 2: minutes he gets calls Russell back and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a hit. There's a hit out on third base.
Speaker 2: So Russell says to Eric, like, no, Eric, Eric, Well, Eric,
Speaker 2: he is always like Eric, He's always been connected. So
Speaker 2: me and Eric were tight like and then something happened.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Oh no, I know it happened. Let
Speaker 2: me tell the story real quick. I'm signed to Rush.
Speaker 2: Third Base album is about to come out. We got
Speaker 2: about three or four songs to do. Lew York calls
Speaker 2: me out of the blue and says, hey, we got
Speaker 2: a problem with Rock Kim. He's got writer's block. I
Speaker 2: need you to write a song for rock him. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, and just so you know, rock Kim's my
Speaker 2: favorite MC of all time, and I ain't no joke
Speaker 2: to me barnunn is the perfect rap record ever made,
Speaker 2: just period. So I was like honored. I was like flattered,
Speaker 2: Like you're gonna ask me like a white devil to
Speaker 2: I'm gonna write to God MC a verse. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna write him a verse. I'm gonna write a beast.
Speaker 2: So me and Pete come to my parents' house and
Speaker 2: we're like, what would what would he say? What would?
Speaker 2: So I get into rock kim mode. I'm thinking about,
Speaker 2: like you know, payt in full, and I'm thinking about
Speaker 2: all of this, and all of a sudden, I write
Speaker 2: Ready in the intro cute the searchlight, Eric's to the
Speaker 2: Senate stage. I grab the first mic, projecting the voice
Speaker 2: with dis mike. Then I'm cuffing you ain't my knuckle
Speaker 2: something snuffing the word of rock him stands true to
Speaker 2: no pannikin man verse. Man you freeze a black mannequin
Speaker 2: could be a rock whoa to dwell upon the step
Speaker 2: in on the trigger has a tomb smash. I could
Speaker 2: where be gave me the cue, So I'm gonna put up,
Speaker 2: shut up too, my gems through. So now I want
Speaker 2: to freak. And That's how I'm hearing rock Kim's voice
Speaker 2: in my head and I'm hearing him saying, now I
Speaker 2: want to freak them. So I'll embarked sparky mission posse
Speaker 2: the way pass dark, I'm park there's no standard. I'll
Speaker 2: plead the five. Oh you don't stop moving until rock
Speaker 2: Kemp says, so to keep trop hoping shooting out to
Speaker 2: play him. Me and Eric be a keep a stepping
Speaker 2: to the am. Write the whole ship in fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2: So I write the whole record in thirty minutes. I
Speaker 2: go next day to Leor. He's like, yo, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: call Eric, and I'm amped. I'm excited. And when Eric
Speaker 2: picks up the phone and Leor goes Eric, I had
Speaker 2: such right a verse the rock him, I hear silent,
Speaker 2: and I get shook, and then I go, so, Eric,
Speaker 2: this is the record I wrote. Call step into the
Speaker 2: am click, and then Denise at the front desk goes Leor.
Speaker 2: Eric b's online too. He wants to talk to you
Speaker 2: by yourself. So I'm shook. Now I'm really shook, like
Speaker 2: I don't know what I just did. Like I don't
Speaker 2: know what I just did. All I was trying to
Speaker 2: do is help, Like oh, it's all I was trying
Speaker 2: to do. They called you. Yeah, so I'm told by Simone,
Speaker 2: who at the time was the assistant for Russell and Leor.
Speaker 2: Leor doesn't want you to move until he tells you
Speaker 2: stay here and wait. That's all I get a message
Speaker 2: for and I signed that office for five hours. At
Speaker 2: six point thirty, Leor called me upstairs and he goes,
Speaker 2: why didn't you tell me you had beef with Eric B?
Speaker 2: I said, I said, Leora, I don't have beef with
Speaker 2: Eric B. He's like, educates you. He doesn't know why
Speaker 2: he would you would think about writing a record for
Speaker 2: Rock Kim. He's fucking furious I almost lost him as
Speaker 2: a client and bla, He's going off on me. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, I said, Leora, I had no idea,
Speaker 2: Like I didn't know. Like I started telling him the
Speaker 2: wine Dance story. He's like, search, fix yourself, get the
Speaker 2: fuck out in my office. So fast forward. Eric Bee
Speaker 2: finds out there's this hit on third base. Russell says, no,
Speaker 2: I don't know what. To this day, I still know
Speaker 2: what the beef I don't know to be, but all
Speaker 2: I know is Eric's reaction and telling Rock Kim that
Speaker 2: rock Kim took two weeks to finish follow the leader,
Speaker 2: So I don't know if there's a connection there, but whatever,
Speaker 2: like whatever happened between Eric and Ra, like Ra either
Speaker 2: got over his right. And I'm not saying I had
Speaker 2: anything to do with it. I'm just saying, like what
Speaker 2: happened with Eric and his conversation with rock Kim, rock
Speaker 2: Kim was motivated to finish follow the leadership. So Eric
Speaker 2: never stepped to me like we never had a problem.
Speaker 2: But I will tell you that I had a problem
Speaker 2: with rock Kim the same week with Hammer, and I'll
Speaker 2: tell that story too. So Eric finds out there's a hit,
Speaker 2: and Russell says to them, well, yo, can you do
Speaker 2: something about it? And Eric says not, let it happen
Speaker 2: and hangs up the phone right now, let it happen.
Speaker 2: So Russell calls him back this and again I'm hearing
Speaker 2: this secondhand from Russell and Carmen, right, you know. But
Speaker 2: they call him back and they say, well, can you
Speaker 2: tell us who we need to talk to, and Eric says, yeah,
Speaker 2: this guy my Conception. So they call my Conception and
Speaker 2: they say, Mike, we hear there's a problem, you know
Speaker 2: with third base. He goes, yeah, you know, we got
Speaker 2: to take care of those kids. I'm sorry, it's just
Speaker 2: it's the way it is. And Russell's like, I can't.
Speaker 2: That can't happen. He's like, well, I'll tell you what,
Speaker 2: because you're Russell Simmons, We'll just hurt them from the
Speaker 2: waist down so they still do television.
Speaker 7: What does that even mean?
Speaker 2: It means that he was gonna put us in power,
Speaker 2: put us in chairs. So Russell's like, that can't happen either.
Speaker 2: How do we stop this whole thing? And my conception says, okay,
Speaker 2: there's two ways that we can stop it. He goes,
Speaker 2: because you know, there's like fifty thousand members of the
Speaker 2: Crips that already know about the hit. And ya da
Speaker 2: da da dad. He's like, so there's two ways that
Speaker 2: this can happen. He said, I'm having a hard time
Speaker 2: getting a distribution deal for a record that I'm trying
Speaker 2: to do about Peace Gang Piece, Cold War in the
Speaker 2: same gang. He's like, if you can help me get distribution,
Speaker 2: irony right right, If you're can help me get distribution,
Speaker 2: that would be A and B. Tomorrow night's the American
Speaker 2: Music Awards. I want to sit next to Michael Jackson
Speaker 2: tomorrow night. So this is yaterday. I have twenty four
Speaker 2: hours to make designs, right. So they called Donnie Einer
Speaker 2: and Tommy Mottola and they basically say, Yo, Donnie, I
Speaker 2: need your tickets for the American Music Wards. Don't ask
Speaker 2: me why. This is some street shit. I need your tickets.
Speaker 2: And Donnie's like, I'm sitting next to Michael Jackson, like
Speaker 2: he's gonna be about to be the most celebrated artist
Speaker 2: of the decade. He's like, you don't understand. We got
Speaker 2: a guy in a wheelchair who's gonna need to sit
Speaker 2: next to Michael Jackson. And sure enough, nineteen ninety American Music.
Speaker 2: I watched it last night. He's sitting right next, right
Speaker 2: right next to Michael Jackson.
Speaker 12: So we're in the air like la, yeah, not knowing,
Speaker 12: not knowing shit, not knowing shit, your women and we touched.
Speaker 2: Down and I got my girl and I'm hugging up
Speaker 2: on shit, say, oh my god, we're in LA. It's
Speaker 2: gonna be great. Ya da da da da. We come
Speaker 2: out the gate and this is not back. This is
Speaker 2: pre nine eleven, right, and you're smoking cigarettes in the
Speaker 2: front end of the gate like you know nothing. We
Speaker 2: come out the gate. It's all of us stock together
Speaker 2: all of a sudden. Ten dudes put a black tarp
Speaker 2: over our head. No no, and they go move, Move, Move,
Speaker 2: everybody out of the way. Move, Move, Move. Put your
Speaker 2: head down, third base, put your head down. Everybody put
Speaker 2: your head down. Move, move, move, And I'm bent over
Speaker 2: and I can see Pete next to me bent over,
Speaker 2: and I look over to him and I go, oh
Speaker 2: my god, We're bigger than the Beatles.
Speaker 6: Thing.
Speaker 2: And they move us into this armor plated dan and
Speaker 2: keep your heads down, keep your heads down. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm killing it. We're killing it. We're
Speaker 2: not killing yo. We are huge, Like I didn't know
Speaker 2: where this huge, fucking huge. And they pull up into
Speaker 2: the Hollywood arm fresh and everything. Yeah, we were all
Speaker 2: kind of were. No nobody explained ship, did you go
Speaker 2: to a baggage claim or anything? They picked up all
Speaker 2: us ship everything, they had a guy picking up. Oh.
Speaker 2: We go to the Hollywood Hiat. They take us to
Speaker 2: the top floor, I mean top floor where little Richard
Speaker 2: had his condo right right that we take it and
Speaker 2: the whole floor is blocked off like no one, no
Speaker 2: one can go into them except for Little Richard. Every
Speaker 2: other condo is locked off. Everybody's off. We have security
Speaker 2: at the front, at the elevators. Everybody's being checked. There's
Speaker 2: a list of people that are only allowed on the floor.
Speaker 2: That's it like. And I'm like, fuck the Beatles. I'm
Speaker 2: bigger than the and this is the album? Is that?
Speaker 2: How long have the cas I've been out at this time?
Speaker 2: Two weeks? Two weeks, two weeks. This is the impact
Speaker 2: I had on music cultures. Two weeks. I'm bigger than
Speaker 2: the Beatles. This is the only way I would be
Speaker 2: treated like this, either on Beatles or the ORNU right right.
Speaker 2: So I'm able to sneak by security. I don't know
Speaker 2: how I did it, but I get downstairs and outside
Speaker 2: the hotel is Rock Kim and Supreme m hmm. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, rock Cam Supreme like yes, Supreme, mathematics,
Speaker 2: yeah Supreme. So I go up to Rock Kim and
Speaker 2: I said, Row, are you here to see me? And
Speaker 2: he said yeah. I said I said what, Well, He's like, yo,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take you around this hotel. Beat you ass
Speaker 2: real quick? What I said, wait? I said what And
Speaker 2: I said what? He said, Yeah, man, you know that's
Speaker 2: seeking a settlement, stunt, seeking a settlement. I know that
Speaker 2: was about me, man. Eric told me that shit was
Speaker 2: about me on that Steven to the am joint. So
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come beat you ass real quick, I said,
Speaker 2: rock Kim, and my voice got real high. I was like,
Speaker 2: my favorite rubber time. I would never do you. That's crazy.
Speaker 7: I love you.
Speaker 2: You're my fucking man, like, I would never do you.
Speaker 2: Are you crazy? Like that's crazy?
Speaker 7: I was talking about some.
Speaker 2: Bitches's looking at me like stone face like, and Supreme
Speaker 2: looked out for me like a million times, and like
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he's like on the other side, man,
Speaker 2: uncle nel my security guy. He grabs me. He's like
Speaker 2: get inside, get inside right now, and I'm like whatever.
Speaker 2: He takes me upstairs. He takes me to my room.
Speaker 2: He explains the whole situation that there's this hit and
Speaker 2: all of this, and there's a lieutenant coming to stay
Speaker 2: with us named Pooky, and I was like, this is
Speaker 2: some bullshit. Again.
Speaker 7: I'm not an officer, lieutenant.
Speaker 2: No, this guy a lieutenant, and I'm like this is bullshit.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, man, I want to go to the
Speaker 2: I heard about the Beverly Center, Like, I want to
Speaker 2: take my girl of Beverly Center. Can I get the
Speaker 2: fuck out of here? Like this is bullshit? And they're like,
Speaker 2: are you fucking kidding me? Like do you think this
Speaker 2: is bullshit? All of this is I'm like, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: some bullshit. This is not real. I'll fix all of this.
Speaker 2: This is not real. So Pooky comes in and Pooky
Speaker 2: is like the six three skinny dude and he got
Speaker 2: little weltz like all on his arms and I'm like, yo,
Speaker 2: it's up with the mumps. He's like, hey, mumps, motherfucker.
Speaker 2: He's a bullet. And I'm like okay. I was like, well, then, yo,
Speaker 2: take me to the Beverly Center. Then you're supposed to
Speaker 2: hold me down, hold me down, take me to Beverly Center.
Speaker 2: And Uncle Mel's like yo, and Pook he's like, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: Lil homie wants to go to center. I'll tell you
Speaker 2: the center, no problem, let's get in a van.
Speaker 1: So just to ask you, you didn't think after hearing
Speaker 1: that story, you still didn't think it can't.
Speaker 2: Be that no New York attitude from.
Speaker 9: Like you.
Speaker 2: It ain't real. I'm on some I'm on my New
Speaker 2: York ship for real, Like, fuck you, I'm from New
Speaker 2: York and everything else is bullshit. I'm from New York.
Speaker 2: But you understand my mentality. I do understand it. And
Speaker 2: it wasn't real. It had to be hyped, it had
Speaker 2: to be exaggerated. This was bullsh It couldn't be real.
Speaker 2: There's no way this is real. You used to go
Speaker 2: down chantell Is with me. Now you're embarrassing me in
Speaker 2: front of wisdom. I want to go to the Beverly Center.
Speaker 2: My wisdom, my earth is with me. You you are
Speaker 2: embarrassing in front of my earth, like I want to
Speaker 2: go to the Beverly.
Speaker 7: Center, embarras earth.
Speaker 2: So Pooky's like, no, no, no, no, little homie want
Speaker 2: to go technical Beverly Center. No problem. So Uncle Mel
Speaker 2: and Pooky and me and Chantell we go. I asked,
Speaker 2: you know, Pete, you want to go. He's like, huh,
Speaker 2: I'm good here. Yeah, I'm like a pussy pussy. This
Speaker 2: ain't rip. So we go to Beverly Center. And for
Speaker 2: those who are listening to, Beverly Center had this big
Speaker 2: circular area like and elevate escalators that go down and
Speaker 2: and had this like balcony that goes all the way around.
Speaker 2: So we came up to the balcony area and there's
Speaker 2: this escalator that goes down and at the time there
Speaker 2: was like a foot locker and a little hangout area.
Speaker 2: And Pooky's like, oh, you know, some people just noticed you.
Speaker 2: Why don't you go down there. I'm like, mother fucking right,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go down and see my fans. I'm fucking
Speaker 2: I'm Elvis. So you look like MC search. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: whole shit, third base cutting in back, Sir Rock did
Speaker 2: it Crispy too? For the for the album release party.
Speaker 2: Crispy Crispy, go down, Little Mexican chicks. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: em C Search, I love you. Blah blah blah blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. I'm signing some autograph. I'm feeling good about myself.
Speaker 2: I'm waving to wifeyet yeah, da da da, I see
Speaker 2: some guys coming this way. I'm like, uh hu huh,
Speaker 2: guys over here coming this way, Da da da, I'm
Speaker 2: signing autographs. All of a sudden, the dude that's coming
Speaker 2: this way, he pulls the bandana up across his mouth,
Speaker 2: goes to get the ratchet and then I hear I
Speaker 2: hit his whistle loudest loudest loud whistle, and they all
Speaker 2: look up and Pooky does some gang signs. I don't
Speaker 2: know what he was doing. He says this, and the
Speaker 2: dude comes right into my face. He pulls down the mask.
Speaker 2: He goes, man, I love y'all, motherfucking third base. I
Speaker 2: was finna smoke you, but you know I love y'all
Speaker 2: motherfuckers yo, yo, and I and I'll tell you right
Speaker 2: there it was the only time as a growing man
Speaker 2: almost pete on myself and the other two dudes behind
Speaker 2: him are like, yo, were good. I'm like yeah. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this shit is over, this shit is good. It's good.
Speaker 2: And I was like, get me to the fucking hotel
Speaker 2: right now, the fucking hotel right now. I was so scared.
Speaker 2: I don't even remember the ride out of the Beverly
Speaker 2: Center back to the Higher What what was the do
Speaker 2: you know what the value was? Fifty thousand dollars yo,
Speaker 2: fifty g's back in nineteen eighty nine. Fifty g's Yo.
Speaker 2: Both of y'all are just one no for both of us.
Speaker 2: Anybody who got to us it had to be both
Speaker 2: of us dead, not injured, dead dead. So we go
Speaker 2: back to the hotel. I now tell Pete shit is real,
Speaker 2: and Pete's like, yeah, motherfucker. I yeah, you didn't notice
Speaker 2: all of this shit, you know, But I was slow.
Speaker 2: I'm Polish Jew slow. And so now we have to
Speaker 2: figure out all this strategic movement because def Jam had
Speaker 2: put so much into this this next three days, like
Speaker 2: we're giving away a jeep on Kday, we have this
Speaker 2: album release party, Fox five is doing a special on us.
Speaker 2: You know, we have all these moving parts that we
Speaker 2: can't just cancel, like God forbid Russell and Leo should
Speaker 2: cancel something right, like, you know, we have to do
Speaker 2: all of this. And Pooky assured everybody that nothing would
Speaker 2: happen to us as long as Pooky's with us on
Speaker 2: our side. If anybody saw them and he did this,
Speaker 2: the gang signed, we were good. So we did not
Speaker 2: move out of the hotel. We didn't move right The
Speaker 2: next morning, we had to do the macatec Greg macat
Speaker 2: the morning show on KDE. Lisa Canning was his news person.
Speaker 2: It was like the only twenty four hour wrap show
Speaker 2: in the country is the AM station. It was on
Speaker 2: this little dirt mountain with an antenna like it was
Speaker 2: in middle of nowhere, and the little said k day.
Speaker 2: And we went in and it was the night after
Speaker 2: the American Music Awards. And I didn't know anything about
Speaker 2: the American Music Awards. I just I didn't know anything
Speaker 2: about the deal. I didn't know anything. We just went
Speaker 2: to Greg Mattin, you know, to do the morning show
Speaker 2: and give away this jeep. And so we sit down
Speaker 2: and Greg Max, hey, what up third Base? How you
Speaker 2: guys doing. I'm like, ah, it's cool, I'm cool. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, no, no, no, no, okay, good dude.
Speaker 2: You know, it's great to have you on. You know,
Speaker 2: this is Lisa Canning. Oh Lisa, what cracks some mic? Oh?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: We got third Base in the how it's probably the
Speaker 2: environment jeep. We're gonna give it away, but first we
Speaker 2: got a special guest on the line no Live from
Speaker 2: the American Music Awards, winning five awards last night, including
Speaker 2: Album of the Year. MC Hammer, Hammer, what's up? Saying
Speaker 2: a lot of Third Base? I didn't know this partet
Speaker 2: And I look at Pete and I said, this motherfucker
Speaker 2: just set us in and Hammer goes, hey, Greg, you know, hey, Hamma,
Speaker 2: How are you brother? Nice to you know, hey, congratulations?
Speaker 2: What do you gotta say? Third Base? Yeah? Man, you know,
Speaker 2: I just you know, I don't understand why you know
Speaker 2: you have to diss my mom on that record. I'm
Speaker 2: and I'm like, really, I'm heated. I'm heated. And I
Speaker 2: was like, yo, ain't nobody dissed your matriarchal idiot? Like
Speaker 2: nobody dissed that. You know. It's like, and you know
Speaker 2: what you did. Why don't you come get this ass
Speaker 2: whooping you punk? You a bitch? Hey, watch your language?
Speaker 2: Knowing you a bitch too, Greg Mac, you're a punk bitch.
Speaker 2: Why don't you say that? Great Mac? Yeah, I said,
Speaker 2: why don't you go to the phone. See who LA
Speaker 2: likes better third Base of Hamm of that punk bitch.
Speaker 2: He's like, hey, watch your mouth is love Radio. I
Speaker 2: was like, yo, I'll say a whole lot worse, you bitch.
Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna go to the line, right, gonna
Speaker 2: go to the lines. First caller, oh I love third base,
Speaker 2: I love the Hammers. Whack Hamma gets a gas face.
Speaker 2: Next caller, oh I love hammer third base is whack
Speaker 2: those Wanda bees out of da Da da they're whack.
Speaker 2: Next caller, Oh, I love Hammer. Hammer is dope. You know,
Speaker 2: third base is whack. Blah blah blah. Next caller, I
Speaker 2: love third base. Yo, search is dope, Peter's dope, Hamm's whack.
Speaker 2: I don't know this whole thing about this and that
Speaker 2: Ya Da da da da. We're gonna take more calls
Speaker 2: after this, and you know, right, So then he starts
Speaker 2: taking more calls and I'm telling Mel, I'm like, Yo, Mel,
Speaker 2: if you want to fucking smoke this motherfucker, go ahead, man,
Speaker 2: I'll give you ten thousand dollars. You put a bullet
Speaker 2: in this motherfucker's head. And very great. Yeah, And he's like, Yo,
Speaker 2: you need to fucking calm down. And I'm like, calm down,
Speaker 2: Like you just set us up our first time in radio,
Speaker 2: Like this is some good radio to you. Ps, it
Speaker 2: was good radio, right, But I'm like, you know, but
Speaker 2: I'm insulted, and I'm young, and I'm dumb, and I'm
Speaker 2: full of com and I'm like, yo, I'm gonna fucking
Speaker 2: smack somebody. So he goes to the callers. He tapes
Speaker 2: two or three calls. It's between Hammer and Ya Da
Speaker 2: Da da dah, and then he takes a live call caller,
Speaker 2: who's this rolling sixty crib were coming for you, Pip.
Speaker 2: Time out there we go. Mac didn't know what was
Speaker 2: going on. He had no idea. We get in the van,
Speaker 2: we start going down the dirt road. There's these two
Speaker 2: sixty four's that come this way. Oh lord, six dudes
Speaker 2: come out with ars and ratchets and like, and Pooky
Speaker 2: jumps out whistles this some wild sign still third base
Speaker 2: if he bunts. Alright, he just gave he gave some
Speaker 2: signs and those dudes get back in the car and
Speaker 2: they just back out.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 2: So now the real problem is God that that night
Speaker 2: we have to go to the Palace and perform, and
Speaker 2: it's like everybody know, the entire audience, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: there's no way to stop it. There's no way to
Speaker 2: stop it. There's like three thousand people in the palace
Speaker 2: and they've been there since like six o'clock in the afternoon.
Speaker 2: So this is a logistical nightmare. As they say in
Speaker 2: the tour business. Right, there were blue cars circling all
Speaker 2: on Hollywood and Vine, just blue cars, tons of blue cars,
Speaker 2: tons of blue cars, and we can't figure this out.
Speaker 2: Chantella's crying. Our girls are crying like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: you're gonna die. Like one person says, hey, let's cancel la.
Speaker 2: Definitely not. There was no way to. Like Russell and
Speaker 2: Ley all put our lives in jeopardy. They were not
Speaker 2: canceling nothing because POOKI short and he got him the
Speaker 2: seats and ya da da da dad. So what Leor
Speaker 2: and Russell did was send their guy, Big D, who
Speaker 2: used to be the he sent how do you know
Speaker 2: that from the It was one of these documentaries you met,
Speaker 2: all right, go ahead, So Big D comes in and
Speaker 2: his job is to stay next to my conception the
Speaker 2: whole time, Like his job is to act like my
Speaker 2: conception security because he wants to make sure that Mike's
Speaker 2: gonna keep his word of his word is bond. The
Speaker 2: next day he's doing the final recording. The same day
Speaker 2: we're doing the Palace, Hammer is recording his verse for
Speaker 2: role in the Same Gang, and my Conception is there
Speaker 2: and Big D is there. Hammer. Before he goes into
Speaker 2: the and I got this from D. Before he goes in,
Speaker 2: he says to Mike, hey, can I talk to a
Speaker 2: second and you know for private He's like yeah, but
Speaker 2: my security god come with me. He's like, yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 2: They go into a room. Indeed, literally said Hamma. Turned that,
Speaker 2: turned turned to Mike and said why ain't they dead yet?
Speaker 2: And Mike said, yeah, that's not gonna happen. But I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what, if anything does happen to third Base,
Speaker 2: I'll kill your brother, your mother, your father, your sister,
Speaker 2: your cousins. I'll come to Unkland and wipe your whole
Speaker 2: fucking family out. Now, get in a fucking booth and
Speaker 2: do your verse.
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: And to this day, me and my conception are like this,
Speaker 2: to this day. So Hammer goes does his verse, and
Speaker 2: we're like, how are we gonna get into our own party?
Speaker 2: And Uncle Mel says, I got it. We're gonna dress
Speaker 2: them as security guards. Wait, there's no way this is true,
Speaker 2: absolutely true, right, So he says, we're gonna dress you
Speaker 2: up as security guard. So we put on the csc
Speaker 2: security jackets, keV Lar, I cover in my high top,
Speaker 2: fade with a Scully Pete Sku, and we got dark
Speaker 2: glasses and my and my girl's crying and like it's
Speaker 2: all upsetting and everybody's upset, and we sneak into the venue,
Speaker 2: and like they make they make a comment like everybody
Speaker 2: who's wearing blue blue jeans you gotta get out, And
Speaker 2: Pooky has lound now like ten dudes with them, and
Speaker 2: they're like checking the audience and we're backstage for like
Speaker 2: two hours and Pooky's like, yeah, venue's clean, nobody's here.
Speaker 2: Ya da da da da? Can how come Pooky just
Speaker 2: didn't come out on stage first? And then I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. Oh my god, the
Speaker 2: original Twitter r Pooky is Twitter. So we find out
Speaker 2: it's all clear, it's all good. Girls come in. N
Speaker 2: w A is there. I take a picture. I gave
Speaker 2: n w A. I gave easy my third base gives
Speaker 2: him the gas face hat. I wear the Oakland rate
Speaker 2: I hat. We're taking pictures with Dre and d C
Speaker 2: and De La Soula is there. Ll jumps on day.
Speaker 2: It's just a free style, like have a great night,
Speaker 2: great night, everything's peace, all done. And that's the empty
Speaker 2: Hammer story and Mike conception. He's still alive, still alive,
Speaker 2: lives in Malibu, lives in Malibu. He's still power liized,
Speaker 2: but you know he lives in Malibu and still involved
Speaker 2: in the music business and if.
Speaker 7: You and are in the same room today.
Speaker 2: So let me tell y'all a story that you don't
Speaker 2: know that I saved just for Amir. I didn't even
Speaker 2: know the part two the entire so.
Speaker 1: Like the first time I heard the story, it's stopped
Speaker 1: at Mike exception, I'm sitting in the art I didn't
Speaker 1: know about great.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I saved this just for you. So about
Speaker 2: two years ago, I get a call from a producer
Speaker 2: friend of mine who did a movie called Black Dynamite.
Speaker 2: Man Scott said, yeah, yeah, yeah, Scott. Okay. Scott says, yo,
Speaker 2: I just heard you in Mosha Kasher on the Champs.
Speaker 2: We want to do a movie on the Hammer story.
Speaker 2: The only problem is we got to get Hammer to
Speaker 2: say okay to it. And I'm like, okay, I said cool.
Speaker 2: You know, He's like, are you gonna be okay with that?
Speaker 2: And I said, let's take it one step at the time,
Speaker 2: because I don't think Hammer will ever say it's okay
Speaker 2: to make this this story. And you know, because basically,
Speaker 2: and I didn't know this, but I found out later
Speaker 2: that even the idea and I forget what it's called,
Speaker 2: but even to commit murder. The oh yeah, conspiracy. There's
Speaker 2: no statute of limitations. You go to jail for any
Speaker 2: conspiracy to murder is a twenty five, regardless if it
Speaker 2: happened in eighty nine and ninety six or yesterday. So
Speaker 2: it takes about a year and they finally sit down
Speaker 2: with Hammer and his two agents from CIA, right, and
Speaker 2: I get a call from Scott and you know, this
Speaker 2: is a process has been taking a year. So I
Speaker 2: get a call from Scott. He goes, Yo, you're sitting down,
Speaker 2: said yeah, what's up. I met with Hammer and I
Speaker 2: said really, I said, He said yeah, Hammer wants to
Speaker 2: do the movie. He said, Hammer has one request that
Speaker 2: at the end of the movie, he's the hero that
Speaker 2: his mom said he shouldn't do the hit, and he
Speaker 2: didn't do the hit, and he's the hero of the movie.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: No, And I said, you know what, fuck it is Hollywood.
Speaker 2: It's all good. He's like, he's like, but would you
Speaker 2: do press with him? I was like, hell no, I'm
Speaker 2: not doing pressed with him. I don't want to be
Speaker 2: five feet near him. He's like, wait a minute, you
Speaker 2: know the red carpet. I said, fuck all that. I said, Yo,
Speaker 2: if I give him this not seeing him, never seen
Speaker 2: him face to face, and I'll tell you about the
Speaker 2: OMTV raps the last one. I'll tell you that story too,
Speaker 2: So never never right. So we start going through the negotiations.
Speaker 2: We start talking to and and the first person we
Speaker 2: go to seth Rogen and he's like, Yo, I want
Speaker 2: to fucking do this movie, like I want to fucking
Speaker 2: do it, like no doubt, I want to do it.
Speaker 2: But Hammer didn't know. I was still telling the story right.
Speaker 2: And it gets back to him I did the Champs right,
Speaker 2: and he hears the story and he's like, oh fuck Search.
Speaker 2: He can't let that shit go fuck him, and the
Speaker 2: movie was dead. So the closest I ever got to
Speaker 2: Hammer was the Final Yo MTV Raps. I'm now senior Big,
Speaker 2: I'm senior VP. A whild pitch. I get a call
Speaker 2: from Ted demimeye rest in peace, like, Yo, we're doing
Speaker 2: the final YO come through. I come through and I
Speaker 2: was just in some workshit like I wasn't even like
Speaker 2: stage dressed or nothing like that. And I got like
Speaker 2: ten goons with me, like I'm already with like nonfiction.
Speaker 2: So they are just a bunch of goons and we
Speaker 2: come in and for whatever reason, there was no metal detector,
Speaker 2: and like three of my boys got they ratchets with
Speaker 2: them and like we're just you know, but we're not
Speaker 2: thinking anything bad. We're just like, you know, just coming
Speaker 2: from the street. My boys were from Brooklyn. Whatever we
Speaker 2: do the cipher, I do my little verse. Everybody does
Speaker 2: their little verse. Ed Lover comes over and goes, come on, man,
Speaker 2: it's the last show and they're taping this. He goes, Yo,
Speaker 2: it's the last show. Hamma's back there, Like, come on,
Speaker 2: let's make peace, man, let's just the last young TV raps.
Speaker 2: And I said, Hammas here. I was like, oh, My
Speaker 2: boys pulled out. The ratchets started going through the crowd
Speaker 2: like looking for him. Hammer ditched. He went down into
Speaker 2: his car and took off. What the very last episode said,
Speaker 2: They never aired it. That didn't make the cut. God,
Speaker 2: that's the closest I've ever been to face to face
Speaker 2: with him.
Speaker 10: Well, I guess if somebody threatens your life and your family,
Speaker 10: you really it's kind of hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's funny. So I've been in recovery
Speaker 2: for five years, like eleven eleven is my anniversary. I've
Speaker 2: been in recovery and I'm I'm at the step. I'm
Speaker 2: drinking or drugs or drugs okay, marijuana. Oh, specifically I was.
Speaker 2: It was bad, and a lot of it was to
Speaker 2: numb a lot of pain that I was dealing with
Speaker 2: that I just didn't want to face. And I'm coming
Speaker 2: up to the eighth step, which is amens. And my
Speaker 2: sponsor doesn't really understand my career, like, you know, he
Speaker 2: doesn't care about it. But I told him, I have
Speaker 2: this amends I have to make with someone who really
Speaker 2: wanted to do bodily harm to me. And he said,
Speaker 2: the eight step talks about making amends with people unless
Speaker 2: it will cause injury to them or others. He's like, so, technically,
Speaker 2: if you don't want to make amends, you don't have to.
Speaker 2: You don't really have to. It's really up to you
Speaker 2: if you think it'll do damage to that person. And
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't think it'll damage that person,
Speaker 2: but if he says something smart, I'm going to definitely
Speaker 2: knock him the fuck out, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like so it's like it's one of these things that
Speaker 2: I battle with as a grown ass man, even to
Speaker 2: this day, Like I'm forty nine, years old, like let
Speaker 2: it go, you know what I mean. But then I
Speaker 2: think about that day. I think about the black tarp,
Speaker 2: I think about the guys with the masks. I think
Speaker 2: about going into my own party as security. I think
Speaker 2: about Greg Mack and it's all like yesterday that you
Speaker 2: all like yesterday, And it's a part of me that's like, fuck,
Speaker 2: I gotta let it go sometimes, like when am I
Speaker 2: going to let it go? Like when am I just
Speaker 2: gonna let it go? So everything happens for a reason, right,
Speaker 2: So this year, we were doing a TV show called
Speaker 2: They Call Me Search. We're in the process of shooting
Speaker 2: the pilot and getting the sizzled and getting ready to
Speaker 2: shop it. And that's where I'm gonna make peace with it.
Speaker 2: That's what's up. That's where we're going to do an
Speaker 2: episode where I make peace with it. Just about your
Speaker 2: life and the show is about my life. And this
Speaker 2: is you and hammer y'all want to do it? No, no, no,
Speaker 2: I ain't got none to do with him. This is
Speaker 2: my This is all my stories in a series, not
Speaker 2: even a documentary, thirty minute dramedy.
Speaker 1: What if you're just joining us? You are breathing a
Speaker 1: sigh of relief. All right, it's Quest Love Supreme. We're
Speaker 1: here with MC search about the search? Oh what were
Speaker 1: you saying? I was was asking about the cats Albus.
Speaker 1: We didn't even really I know, we didn't the album.
Speaker 1: We went straight to the dam, to the shootout room
Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, so how on has y'all s been
Speaker 1: on working that record?
Speaker 2: Man? So couding it? So the record took us a
Speaker 2: year to record and it sat on the shelf for
Speaker 2: two and a half years. Are you wait eighty seven? Yep?
Speaker 2: We worked on it in eighty seven and it didn't
Speaker 2: come out till November of nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 4: So from the time from when you were y'all were
Speaker 4: at uh you did the battle, Russ comes It's like, hey,
Speaker 4: tell them you're on def Jam.
Speaker 2: We signed. We signed six months later than we worked
Speaker 2: on the album, So a year and eight y'all signed
Speaker 2: as a duo. When was it ninety? When was it finished?
Speaker 2: End of nineteen eighty seven? Early nineteen eighty eight? And
Speaker 2: Russell what the problem was? Russell and Lyork didn't think
Speaker 2: we had a hit on the on the album that
Speaker 2: was Russell's real big deal. It's like we didn't have
Speaker 2: a hit. So when I wrote step into the Am
Speaker 2: for Eric being rock Cam, I was like, fuck it,
Speaker 2: this shit is dope. If he if he's not going
Speaker 2: to use it, me and Peter are going to use it.
Speaker 2: So I called I called Dante. I was like, Yo, Dante,
Speaker 2: can you hook us up with like Eric, Vietnam Sadler
Speaker 2: and Keith Shockley and those guys like I want to
Speaker 2: go out to Hempstead. I want to demo this song.
Speaker 2: And we did it in about a day day or two.
Speaker 2: We did it with them out there, Vietnam, Keith Hank did.
Speaker 1: You watch the Yeah, of course, can you please describe
Speaker 1: to me like watching the bomb Squad?
Speaker 2: So Keith was really like I like to call Keith
Speaker 2: the instigator. Keith would find the samples, like Keith was
Speaker 2: the guy who would like dig through the samples, and
Speaker 2: he was really the instigator. He'd be like, yo, say
Speaker 2: that ram again, Like say that right, and then they
Speaker 2: would and Vietnam would start putting the beats down right,
Speaker 2: and then he'd be like, oh, I got this sample.
Speaker 2: And they had that back wall with like fifty thousand records,
Speaker 2: like the whole back wall. He was like yo, yeah, yea.
Speaker 2: And then Keith would be like, oh wait wait, I
Speaker 2: got this, I got this, I got this for that,
Speaker 2: I got this for that. And then they would lay
Speaker 2: it down and be like, all right, going to the
Speaker 2: going to the booth, Pete, you start do your verse
Speaker 2: first search you come in da da da, And then
Speaker 2: we go back and forth. And then we were like no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: let us do all verse like that. Oh okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: we're gonna lay the beat down over here. You guys
Speaker 2: go figure out your verses and and and it was
Speaker 2: really like Vietnam was the instigator and then Keith was
Speaker 2: the agitator. He'd be like, yo, that shit not and
Speaker 2: they would go back and forth, and Hank would literally
Speaker 2: was the one who came in and did the final mixes.
Speaker 2: So Hank would come in, he would tune everything, he
Speaker 2: would hear everything, he'd listen to both speakers, he nod yes,
Speaker 2: and then he was out, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like he was like the orchestrator. Hank was like Puffy,
Speaker 2: No no, I wouldn't say, well I don't I've never
Speaker 2: seen Puffy in the studio and no, no, no.
Speaker 1: He's like, I know they get said, oh you don't
Speaker 1: do no real like. He doesn't do the work per
Speaker 1: se like. I felt that air Eric was the technology guy,
Speaker 1: and he was. And then Keith had the information that
Speaker 1: other records he used right, and Chuck did all the
Speaker 1: voice and stuff right.
Speaker 2: And then and then Hank would kind of tune everything.
Speaker 2: And Hank was the guy who would say with the
Speaker 2: mix engineer and make sure the mix was tight and
Speaker 2: everything was dope well, and it's funny. And the funny thing.
Speaker 2: I just got to tell you the side, Joe, because
Speaker 2: you know my family. So one night, we're in the
Speaker 2: studio and we're going to take a break, So we
Speaker 2: go to Irving Plaza, meet Keith Vietnam, Pete Doddy Rich.
Speaker 2: We go to Irving Plaza and at the time, Keith
Speaker 2: was kicking his sumb shorty right and he's going up
Speaker 2: the stairs in front of us, and I go and
Speaker 2: I go to give somebody a pound behind me, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I hear, oh, oh, stop, bitch stop,
Speaker 2: and I go upstairs and Keith is getting pounded like
Speaker 2: to the midsection by this little five to two shorty.
Speaker 2: She's just pounding him. And he's doing the right thing.
Speaker 2: He ain't hitting her, but he finally gets her off
Speaker 2: of him and yah da da da da, and I
Speaker 2: look in at Chantelle. That's how you met Chantelle. No,
Speaker 2: it's not how I met Chantel. So we became friends,
Speaker 2: like just through the club scene. And I always kind
Speaker 2: of I called her Lefty. I was like, yo, what
Speaker 2: up Lefty? Because she had that wicked left And she
Speaker 2: would always see me like coming to clubs with all
Speaker 2: different chicks and like ya da da da da. And
Speaker 2: her favorite record was Super Hope by bdp uh huh,
Speaker 2: so she would always call me the super ho She
Speaker 2: was like, oh, there was miss the super Hope. So
Speaker 2: me and P used to host a party at Irving
Speaker 2: Plaza on Wednesday nights, and she used to come and
Speaker 2: check us out and yah da da da da, And
Speaker 2: she always thought it was kind of whack as an MC.
Speaker 2: She didn't really like me. So we had recorded we
Speaker 2: had recorded Step into the Am and we were just
Speaker 2: finishing up the album and I get an invitation through
Speaker 2: Russell to Spike Lee's Do the Right Thing after party,
Speaker 2: right right, So I get a pass and it's for
Speaker 2: two people and and it's the date was March. Uh.
Speaker 2: It was like March eighteenth, and I called Bobido. I
Speaker 2: called my man, I call cool Bob Love. I'm like, Bob,
Speaker 2: come with me. He's like that. He's like, I'll meet
Speaker 2: you down there. I was like, all right, you know,
Speaker 2: doors open at six. What time are you gonna meet me.
Speaker 2: He's like, I'll meet you there like seven. So I
Speaker 2: get down there like five thirty, like a little early, right,
Speaker 2: and the crowd is like, so on hip hop of you? No,
Speaker 2: it's so, but it was an early party. Was it
Speaker 2: was a rap party. It wasn't like a hip hop party.
Speaker 2: Was Spike throwing a party? DJing like Red Alert was
Speaker 2: djaying And at the time, Red Alert was dating a
Speaker 2: girl named Darlene. And then there was another girl that
Speaker 2: was Sabrina, who was literally the first superhead of hip hop.
Speaker 2: Like she was like she was like that was that
Speaker 2: was and that was it was a claim to fame.
Speaker 2: And I went to high school with us, so like
Speaker 2: I kind of knew, like that was her ship. And
Speaker 2: then there was another girl, and there was another girl,
Speaker 2: and there was Chantelle and what was happening is my
Speaker 2: man Big Daryl was doing the door and he was
Speaker 2: just taking the girls in one of the time because
Speaker 2: they didn't have passes, but he was like hooking them
Speaker 2: up and letting them in, and I was like, cool,
Speaker 2: you know, I'll just hang out and kick it with y'all.
Speaker 2: And I had my walkman and my cassette of my
Speaker 2: demo and the whole thing, and then I didn't see Barbido,
Speaker 2: so I went to the pay phone. He's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: I come in. I'm I'm not gonna be there, so
Speaker 2: I come back out and I was like, you know what,
Speaker 2: you guys go in, and when whoever's last, I can
Speaker 2: take them in with me because I got a plus one.
Speaker 2: So they all go in and Chantell is the last one,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, you want to hear my demo?
Speaker 2: She's like cool and like she was always cool with
Speaker 2: like Q Tip and Fife, and she was always cool
Speaker 2: with everybody in the native tongue. So she had a
Speaker 2: really good ear. So I was like, damn, Chantell likes this,
Speaker 2: like so she listens to it and she goes it's cool,
Speaker 2: and I'm like whatever, be like whatever, this is absolutely
Speaker 2: going nowhere. So we walk in and Big Daryl says
Speaker 2: to me, yo, who's shorty? And I'm like, oh, that's
Speaker 2: my wife. And she goes, yeah, right and keeps it
Speaker 2: moving and keeps it moving. So I go one way,
Speaker 2: she goes the other. We're chilling. It's getting like late.
Speaker 2: The think tanker died on me. I don't have the
Speaker 2: think take anymore. I'm living in my parents' house and
Speaker 2: the Long Island Railroad that took me to my house
Speaker 2: because you didn't take that. I was done with the
Speaker 2: A train, the Long islandrail which was close to my parents' house.
Speaker 2: If you didn't get on like the one fifty seven
Speaker 2: or the midnight train, the next train was like six
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning with some dumb shit. So I'm
Speaker 2: like looking at my watch and I'm like, okay, I
Speaker 2: got a time this right, I got a time this right?
Speaker 2: You know, Da da da da da. I'm hanging out.
Speaker 2: I'm hanging out with Red yah da da. I'm bumping
Speaker 2: into Chantelle with making fun of people, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's kind of funny. Ya da da da da. Red
Speaker 2: goes into his reggae session, you know, Barrington Levy like
Speaker 2: who'sia bon time and all. I'm like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: my shit.
Speaker 7: You can do that.
Speaker 2: Oh I can bogle like a muffucker. I don't get
Speaker 2: it twisted, don't get it fucked up. So I see
Speaker 2: Chantella and I'm like, oh, you want to dance. She's
Speaker 2: like yeah, So we're dancing. I'm like, damn, she kind
Speaker 2: of she's short, but she looked good, like you know,
Speaker 2: like she looked really good. So I'm like, all right,
Speaker 2: let's go kick it over here. And I'm like looking
Speaker 2: at the time, I'm like, you know, I only got
Speaker 2: a little bit of time to kick it with us
Speaker 2: because I gotta go. And I'm like, you know, we're
Speaker 2: talking and she's telling me she's kind of kicking in
Speaker 2: with k rock, EMPC, lights DJ and they're like kind
Speaker 2: of friends. And ya da da da da da dah.
Speaker 2: And I said to it, like, look, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2: You mind if I give you a kiss ad night?
Speaker 2: She was like, yeah, mind if you give me because
Speaker 2: I don't even know you. I'm like, okay, like all good.
Speaker 2: So we're talking a little more, talking a little more.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at my watch. I'm like, yeah, I really
Speaker 2: gotta go. I'm like all right. I said, look, I
Speaker 2: really had a good time. It was great talking to you,
Speaker 2: you know, is it okay? If I give you a
Speaker 2: kiss good night, and she was like yeah, okay, and
Speaker 2: I kissed her and it was just fireworks, like I'd
Speaker 2: never felt like that from a kiss before. So there
Speaker 2: were these big fucking weather balloons attached to cinderblocks and
Speaker 2: real cool like rap party shit right like right corny,
Speaker 2: and I d dragged one over, just like what the
Speaker 2: fuck are you doing? And I said, this is what
Speaker 2: you're going to tell our grandchildren. I gave you as
Speaker 2: my first gift. I said, I gotta go, and she's like, no,
Speaker 2: you don't have to go. Why don't you just, you know,
Speaker 2: stay at our apartment And she was like, I was
Speaker 2: like what, She's like, relaxed, We got a sofa. So
Speaker 2: I stayed. And the next day, March nineteenth, was my
Speaker 2: dad's birthday, so I had to run back home and
Speaker 2: I celebrated with my dad real quick, and then I
Speaker 2: went back and we have been together ever since twenty
Speaker 2: eight years and that was what year was that? That
Speaker 2: was eighty nine? Yeah, and this is before then, before
Speaker 2: the record, oh yeah, even before.
Speaker 10: It feels like our first coust love Supreme love story.
Speaker 10: We don't really tell those.
Speaker 7: Twos around here.
Speaker 10: The day after Valentine's Day where we just talked about
Speaker 10: breakups for a good.
Speaker 1: Half and an hour.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say as as a liner note junkie.
Speaker 1: No, I mean I remember, like I'm one of them
Speaker 1: dudes that remembers great liner notes from albums. But I
Speaker 1: don't know why this is. I got the Cactus CD.
Speaker 1: I got it the day before. By this point, I
Speaker 1: was working at a insurance agent, Like I was.
Speaker 7: Oh, we skipping love, Okay, I see what We're going
Speaker 7: back to Cactus Okay, no, no.
Speaker 2: No, hang on, hang on hand.
Speaker 1: But you know, it took me like an hour to
Speaker 1: get from my insurance job back to West Philadelphia.
Speaker 2: So you know, I get done work at eleven PM.
Speaker 1: So I remember, like you know, I'd listened to these
Speaker 1: CDs in my discman, and I remember reading the liner
Speaker 1: notes to the Cactus CD.
Speaker 2: Which was like fifteen pages long, like weis Everybody and
Speaker 2: their Mother exactly. It was literally our last album. Like
Speaker 2: I literally looked at it like this will never sell,
Speaker 2: Like we'll do a thousand units. I'll be cool in
Speaker 2: Brooklyn and we'll be dumped. I mean, I never thought
Speaker 2: we would ever have Why did it? Why did it
Speaker 2: sit for two years? Because he didn't think we had
Speaker 2: a hit. And when I did Step into the Am.
Speaker 2: Right after we did Step into the Am, we played
Speaker 2: it for Russell. He was like, Okay, we're gonna put
Speaker 2: the record out. And then two days later we got
Speaker 2: with Prince Paul and then we did Brooklyn Queens and
Speaker 2: gas Face. I see, okay, all right to.
Speaker 7: Wait, wait wait, we're going to Love Love Research.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but ahead, I just want to get my point
Speaker 1: out that was that I was really seeing Chantale. I'll
Speaker 1: make an honest woman out of you. Yet on on
Speaker 1: the liner notes, like, I was like, Yo, that's that's
Speaker 1: some real ship. Like I don't know why that's always.
Speaker 2: Stuck with me. I'm even don't do that. That's a
Speaker 2: that's some real vulnerable ship to put out there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I mean my wife and I left.
Speaker 2: All the time we've been together twenty eight years, three
Speaker 2: of them good and I mean just I mean we've
Speaker 2: all you know, listen, being married to an artist is Tom.
Speaker 1: Was going to say how it's tough. It's apropos that
Speaker 1: he's on our Valentine special.
Speaker 2: It really is. Yeah, you have probably one because a
Speaker 2: break up? What do you mean to break up? You
Speaker 2: just got with your girl. Hey, Hey, it's a long story.
Speaker 1: I mean, because the thing is is that to have
Speaker 1: true love, like the love you talking about, or to
Speaker 1: really grab the brass ring, I feel like you can
Speaker 1: only worship.
Speaker 4: Yeah he wanted God. Yeah he only thinks that. He
Speaker 4: doesn't think it's possible to like have a functional love life.
Speaker 2: And I guess.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, maybe I'm not being honest about
Speaker 1: what my goals are and what is a good woman
Speaker 1: to you?
Speaker 2: Just what you want to know that for anyway, I'm
Speaker 2: just saying, here's the here's the short of it, the
Speaker 2: long and short of There's nothing to teach because the
Speaker 2: truth of the matter is I was a fuck up
Speaker 2: or most of my marriage. I was a young I
Speaker 2: was young, dumb. I was running around, I was flirting
Speaker 2: with chicks in front of my girl, like I was
Speaker 2: being mad disrespectful. But I thought that, hey, if I
Speaker 2: just come home, I make money, that should be enough.
Speaker 2: And when I thought it wasn't enough, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: we'll have kids and that'll be enough. But that wasn't enough.
Speaker 2: The one thing I have to say, in all honesty
Speaker 2: is that the only reason I know unconditional love is
Speaker 2: because of she can't tell because I know I didn't
Speaker 2: give her unconditional love for most of our marriage. I
Speaker 2: sat my girl down when we first moved into our
Speaker 2: apartment and I said to her, to her face, you
Speaker 2: are second to my music, and if you can't live
Speaker 2: with that, there's the door.
Speaker 7: I've heard that. I've said that, Yes, I've been on
Speaker 7: the other end.
Speaker 2: You said second, yes, And she looked at me and
Speaker 2: she said, I'll give you two and a half years
Speaker 2: of my life and if you don't wife me, I'm
Speaker 2: out the door. And I said, fair enough.
Speaker 7: At what point in the relationship, I'm sorry, was this
Speaker 7: what year?
Speaker 2: I'm just here. We moved in in June of nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty nine. I married her in November nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 2: Made it right? So similar to that? Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 2: it's very true. It's absolutely true. And you know, and
Speaker 2: I knew, like there was a lot of turmoil in
Speaker 2: my life in ninety one, the band was breaking up,
Speaker 2: like I was really like there was a lot of
Speaker 2: ugliness in my life, and she was the one light
Speaker 2: that I was like, Yo, I gotta do right by her,
Speaker 2: Like that's the one thing I gotta do, Like I
Speaker 2: gotta do right. But I didn't, even even though I
Speaker 2: was raised in a family, an insulated family. Mother and father.
Speaker 2: They were neurotic Jews from New York. Like they they
Speaker 2: talked by yelling at each other, like you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like say that like it's a bad thing.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So like when we would
Speaker 2: have loving conversations, I'm like, no, this shit is wrong,
Speaker 2: Like I gotta go fuck up so that we can
Speaker 2: start yelling at each other and have a relationship, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like you know. And we got
Speaker 2: to a point where she was like, I want to
Speaker 2: know everything. This was about six months ago. She said,
Speaker 2: I want to know everything. She because I need to
Speaker 2: know everything everything, everything, mean everything everything? Does she really
Speaker 2: want to know? She really wanted to So I wrote
Speaker 2: it down. I wrote it down in a letter everything.
Speaker 7: How long was that letter?
Speaker 2: I ain't lying whatever? You know? Some letter right?
Speaker 1: More?
Speaker 2: Nine pages? About to say, boy, that's yeah, nine pages?
Speaker 2: And it was It was tough. And to watch the
Speaker 2: pain in her face, to see the ship was tough.
Speaker 2: And yet and still she said, okay, okay, I love
Speaker 2: you unconditionally, rich or poor, sickness and in health to
Speaker 2: death to his part, I will work on this with you.
Speaker 2: We will work on this together. We will build. We
Speaker 2: will rebuild what you destroyed. And if we can't read
Speaker 2: build it, I'm out. You know this six months ago,
Speaker 2: this was wow. Yeah, that's amazing because it's what led
Speaker 2: to that point.
Speaker 4: Was that a part of your recovery, that something you No,
Speaker 4: it wasn't really just about my recovery.
Speaker 2: It was just I just needed that. Quan Slay's funny
Speaker 2: because Matthew's here and I'm like, damn, Matthew should have
Speaker 2: left a long time ago, right, Matthew. I told Matthew,
Speaker 2: And it was like, damn, I just got to grow
Speaker 2: the fuck up, Like I'm forty nine years old. I
Speaker 2: got to grow the fuck up like this is this
Speaker 2: is like the woman I've been with like forever, and
Speaker 2: she put up with me forever, and she gave me
Speaker 2: three amazing kids, and she like sacrificed and like, and
Speaker 2: I gotta make the next fifty years as good as
Speaker 2: you know, I gotta make I gotta.
Speaker 7: Make it right because music ain't gonna wipe your ass.
Speaker 2: No, music ain't gonna feed you. No, You're damn sure, right, Music.
Speaker 7: Ain't gonna help you when you're in the hospital all
Speaker 7: that stuff.
Speaker 2: So, you know, but music got me the life that
Speaker 2: we had. Music got you know, music took us around
Speaker 2: the world. Music got my kids into private university. Music
Speaker 2: got my kids to go on vacations. Music got me
Speaker 2: to build Echo on limited clothing. Music got me to
Speaker 2: be the head of promotions at Deaf Jam. Music got
Speaker 2: me the morning show at JLB. Music got me the
Speaker 2: White Rapper Show. Music got me Missrap, Supreme music got
Speaker 2: me Goo. Music got me you know, all of the things,
Speaker 2: all the blessings that I have is because of hip hop.
Speaker 2: And she is the biggest blessing and I took advantage
Speaker 2: of that for most of our marriage. And now it's
Speaker 2: about time to give back.
Speaker 1: Is about return if I were a cat that you know,
Speaker 1: because again I'm in the being in it. We're all
Speaker 1: in the industry, right and you know the challenges in
Speaker 1: the in the in the obstacles and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't I couldn't do that with not a not
Speaker 1: a straight face, like just the confess no no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I meant just doing dirt and you know, cover my
Speaker 1: tracks and.
Speaker 2: It's like it's.
Speaker 1: But then on the other side, it's like, does that
Speaker 1: make me a self saboteury when I know, like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I know that one I'm more committed to
Speaker 1: my career than I am a real sustainable relationship.
Speaker 2: And I'm more.
Speaker 1: You know, I know that I might get bored or
Speaker 1: might fuck up or like I'd rather debt it and
Speaker 1: not fuck up or be the bad guy than.
Speaker 7: To waste somebody's time.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't well, I don't think that, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. I don't think that it's necessarily wrong
Speaker 4: to be to say, Okay, you know, my career comes first,
Speaker 4: and you know, say, I don't think it's anything wrong
Speaker 4: with that. Honestly, I think it's kind of necessary.
Speaker 2: Like with music, and I can say this, and I
Speaker 2: know font's gonna appreciate this. When you make a great song.
Speaker 2: The only joy I've ever had greater than making great
Speaker 2: eight songs watching my children come into this work that
Speaker 2: I mean, and I hate to say that, Like I
Speaker 2: love my wife. I've had amazing moments with my wife.
Speaker 2: We've been to amazing places. But when I laid the
Speaker 2: verse for gas Face, it took one take, like I've
Speaker 2: had moments where that song has like transformed people's lives.
Speaker 2: I had a kid, I was in DC. I was
Speaker 2: at the Children's hospital for kids, were terminally ill children,
Speaker 2: and we Cactus album just came out and we went
Speaker 2: to make a visit. We were with a station there
Speaker 2: called PGC, and we made a visit and this kid
Speaker 2: came up to me and he said, black cat is
Speaker 2: bad luck. Bad guys were black. Must have been a
Speaker 2: white guy that started all that. And I looked up
Speaker 2: and there's about ten nurses behind him and his mother
Speaker 2: and they're bawling, and I just and he hugged me,
Speaker 2: and I hugged them and I'm like, yo, you spit
Speaker 2: some good rhyme, shorty. And he went and he went
Speaker 2: back and they came over to me and they said
Speaker 2: that's the first words said in his life. Oh whoa wow.
Speaker 2: And then I started palling, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 2: I've had moments where like we went to London and
Speaker 2: did gas face at a time where there was a
Speaker 2: British literally almost an overthrow called the poll tax. That
Speaker 2: was Parliament was trying to make a tax where they
Speaker 2: said that every member in a household had to pay
Speaker 2: a tax. So it really affected poor people because they
Speaker 2: had large like especially in Brixton and Brighton. In a
Speaker 2: hood you'd have ten or twelve people living under a
Speaker 2: roof and it would literally be like a year's salary
Speaker 2: just in tax. And there was graffiti everywhere, and I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm talking about like burning streets and people walking. And
Speaker 2: we're on tour with Pe and we do a show
Speaker 2: in Brixton and we're opening and we're about to do
Speaker 2: gas face and shut it down and I turned off.
Speaker 2: I told Rich cut the music and I went black
Speaker 2: cat as bad luck. Bad guys wear black must have
Speaker 2: been the same queen as set up the poll tax
Speaker 2: play started going crazy, people ran into the streets. The
Speaker 2: show was over the next day. The daily like third
Speaker 2: Base sets riots in Brixton and Yata and we're like
Speaker 2: in BBC and like tell us how you and I mean,
Speaker 2: but the only moments that I can equate to that
Speaker 2: is watching my like my children come into this world,
Speaker 2: like watching my wife give birth to our kids. Like music,
Speaker 2: there's something so powerful about music that defines and goes,
Speaker 2: especially for a musician. I'm not talking about music lovers.
Speaker 2: There are certain levels of music lovers, but creative people
Speaker 2: that have this gift from the most high that they
Speaker 2: can take something transcribed and then record it and then
Speaker 2: spend the hours in the studio to mix it and
Speaker 2: get it right and master it and then have it
Speaker 2: touch somebody six months later, and then a year later,
Speaker 2: and then five years later, and then ten years later
Speaker 2: and twenty years later. I mean, that's like, that's like giving,
Speaker 2: That's like raising a child, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And it's and and again. It's like one of the
Speaker 2: things that like, really I'm passionate about more than anything.
Speaker 2: Is this what I like to call a social music commune,
Speaker 2: about people that speak the language of music, not different
Speaker 2: languages or not different creeds or races or just who
Speaker 2: all speak the language of music, that have a mutual
Speaker 2: love of music. And about two years ago, my daughter
Speaker 2: came to me and she said, Dad, you know when
Speaker 2: I when I meet people, whether it's on Tender or
Speaker 2: Facebook or you know whatever, everybody always asks me like
Speaker 2: what kind of music I listened to? What's the first
Speaker 2: album I bought? Where did I you know, what show
Speaker 2: did I go to? And it's a connector And she said,
Speaker 2: is there is there an app out there that connects
Speaker 2: people on their mutual love of music.
Speaker 7: Haha.
Speaker 2: And I was like, huh huh. So I called my
Speaker 2: partner Ben, who is in Silicon Valley, and we spent
Speaker 2: six months and there was a couple of iterations. People
Speaker 2: tried it and they failed, and I met Matthew, my partner,
Speaker 2: and we built an app called a DO, and a
Speaker 2: DO is literally a social music commune that we're getting
Speaker 2: ready to put into beta that literally connects people on
Speaker 2: a mutual love of music. So whatever music you have
Speaker 2: in your your mobile device, the app will suck it
Speaker 2: in and break it down into genres. BPM's the music
Speaker 2: that you listen to the most. The algorithm will literally
Speaker 2: feed that. And then we put out what's called a
Speaker 2: tuner in a thousand mile radius and somebody else you
Speaker 2: can connect with and you can get we say you
Speaker 2: can get in tune with them. You can tune in
Speaker 2: or tune out. So when you tune in, it'll say,
Speaker 2: oh shit, funk got these songs. This is what we
Speaker 2: have in common, but this is what we don't have
Speaker 2: in common, Like I got like a j Cole like
Speaker 2: lights please unreleased joint that you might not even know
Speaker 2: about and you'll see it on your device, because this
Speaker 2: is the music that we don't share, and you'll send
Speaker 2: me a share button. I'll show you the app. When
Speaker 2: we leave, you'll send me a share and I can
Speaker 2: send you that song and we can build and then
Speaker 2: we have a whole chat about it. We can build
Speaker 2: and break bread just on music. And we're doing the beta.
Speaker 2: We're doing the beta now like we're setting the beta,
Speaker 2: and if you want to get on the beta, go
Speaker 2: to beta at get a do a due dot com.
Speaker 2: But it's that language that we all speak. It's the
Speaker 2: language you've spoken since you're eight years old. Bro, It's
Speaker 2: that language of music. And now I feel like if John.
Speaker 1: Who loves Son of Berserks changed the style. Yeah, wife,
Speaker 1: right there there is our marrier.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it sounded good though.
Speaker 2: That was nice set up. No, No, that's real. Because music,
Speaker 2: I think the music into I mean, I think that's
Speaker 2: it's such a big part of that reflects. It's such
Speaker 2: a big part. It's such a big part of who
Speaker 2: you are. And especially for us who are old enough
Speaker 2: to say, okay, we we knew Ohio players, but we
Speaker 2: also knew talking heads, and we also knew rapture, but
Speaker 2: we also knew Parliament Funkadelic, and we watched it develop
Speaker 2: into the Last Poets or the Last Poets developed into
Speaker 2: Lord Tim, and Lord Tim developed into sugar Hill, and
Speaker 2: sugar Hill developed, and we were we were privileged enough
Speaker 2: to be a part of that, to be a part
Speaker 2: of that, that language that we all got to speak,
Speaker 2: even though people you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: But it's interesting though, because let me ask the search
Speaker 10: because you're a big businessman of course, publishing a music industry,
Speaker 10: So how do you do this?
Speaker 7: How do you do this app and with the whole
Speaker 7: royalty thing and sharing? Does that come to a place.
Speaker 2: No, So just so we're clear, we're not a streaming service. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's a four letter word for me, Like I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna stream music, Like I'm not getting into that shit.
Speaker 2: The basis is very simple. You already owned the music
Speaker 2: that's on your playlist. You already owned the music that's
Speaker 2: in your library, not a playlist, your catalog. You already
Speaker 2: own that. So when you share it with me, I
Speaker 2: can listen to it, or I can buy it myself.
Speaker 2: I don't just have to keep it when you play
Speaker 2: it for me, I'll get a chance to listen to it,
Speaker 2: and I say, damn, I like that, and then I
Speaker 2: can press another button in my tuner and I can
Speaker 2: buy the record. But we won't be a streaming service.
Speaker 2: That's not what we're about. We're about people connecting on music.
Speaker 2: So an another thing we have is called the en
Speaker 2: sync option, where Sam might be walking by me and
Speaker 2: he'd be listening to Masters of Ceremony right, and then
Speaker 2: I'm happen to listen the same thing, and we'll get
Speaker 2: a ping and be like, oh shit, Sam's listening to
Speaker 2: the same song you're listening to. You care to tune
Speaker 2: in and we can tune in and then boom, I
Speaker 2: get his entire library. He gets my entire library, and
Speaker 2: I say, hey, what's up man, I'm Michael, Oh what's up?
Speaker 2: I'm Sam? Like, Yo, you got that Beacy Boy cookie? Push? Shit? Yo?
Speaker 2: Can you share that with me? And then he can
Speaker 2: share it with me in a matter of seconds, and
Speaker 2: then I can either buy it or I can go
Speaker 2: to you and say, damn, yo, amir, you remember this cookie? Pushit?
Speaker 2: Share it with you. You know what I mean? And
Speaker 2: it's that language of music, and that's a positive thing.
Speaker 2: In twenty seventeen. That you know, that's one good positive thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, that's but ters.
Speaker 10: You just named like about five thousand businesses as you did,
Speaker 10: like it was from the TV shows.
Speaker 7: Because this is what I know of you.
Speaker 10: Your finger is always on the precipice of greatness before
Speaker 10: we know it, because you know even what you introduced
Speaker 10: me personally to Nouveau before it was the big thing.
Speaker 2: Why what is it? How you know? How do you know?
Speaker 2: I've just been I you know, it's funny. I've really
Speaker 2: been blessed in my life to be around trailblazers, and
Speaker 2: I've really watched them really really closely. I watched Russell
Speaker 2: and le Or build Deaf Jam Brick brought Brick. I
Speaker 2: watched Mark Echo build Echo Unlimited brick by Brick. I
Speaker 2: watched Russell take deaf Jam from its depths and bring
Speaker 2: it back brick by Brick. I watched you know. So
Speaker 2: I've been able to like learn, churn and earn based
Speaker 2: on all the knowledge I got. I've been so blessed
Speaker 2: to be around these people. I ask a lot of questions.
Speaker 2: That's why my boys call me search because I'm always
Speaker 2: looking for the answer. I'm always asking questions. I'm always
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what the next thing is, what
Speaker 2: the next thing is. And for me when my daughter,
Speaker 2: you know, and again my mother said it to me.
Speaker 2: She goes, you really won't understand what you created until
Speaker 2: you have your own children. And she said in a letter,
Speaker 2: And my daughter Mayana created a do what that was?
Speaker 2: It was her idea. She was a senior. She was
Speaker 2: going to be a senior at the university and shout
Speaker 2: out to the canes. So it's it's all of that
Speaker 2: playing itself. It's that born to born, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. It's that that recycle. And I'm going to
Speaker 2: say something that might offend you a mirror, but I
Speaker 2: think the greatest tragedy in your life right now is
Speaker 2: that you don't have children. And I think that that
Speaker 2: to me. But the child that you're going to create
Speaker 2: is going to be so impassioned by so many things
Speaker 2: that develop who you are as a human being. And
Speaker 2: it's why I've had a friendship with you for so long,
Speaker 2: because you are true passionate artists.
Speaker 1: I assure you kids are coming, ladies and gentlemen, I
Speaker 1: hope so search we haven't even got to Darrel's. We
Speaker 1: got a half hour. I know, Okay, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: like a normal ass interview.
Speaker 2: Man. So you were talking about that dark period and
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you about that. I know, I know,
Speaker 2: all right, rapid fire question. Yeah, okay, So.
Speaker 4: Dere looks that that was an album that I admittedly
Speaker 4: I was disappointed in and it was just to me,
Speaker 4: it's just and let me tell you why. I mean,
Speaker 4: look and listen to it now, it's like, oh, this
Speaker 4: shit was dope, But at the time it just felt
Speaker 4: really dark, like it just felt and I don't know, no,
Speaker 4: I think I think I think it just felt like
Speaker 4: some of the humor was there. It just felt like, man, like,
Speaker 4: this is a dark fucking record.
Speaker 2: Well, I think Derelic's a dialect was I think if
Speaker 2: you think about Problem Child, if you think about Derrels,
Speaker 2: like yo, it was a dark period for us. I mean,
Speaker 2: and the album cover of us as homeless old men, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was really dark. I remember. The funny thing is
Speaker 2: I remember the head of retail at Sony at the
Speaker 2: time we just turned into Sony Guy said to me,
Speaker 2: he goes, Yo, we can't this can't be the album cover.
Speaker 2: It's gonna turn off impulse buyers. I'm like that album.
Speaker 2: I'm like what he's like, Yeah, this is too dark.
Speaker 2: He's like, you got a record called Pop Goes the
Speaker 2: Weasel and you Pop in the Weasels and all of that,
Speaker 2: and this is dark shit. That record went golden fifteen days.
Speaker 2: On the sixteenth day, I was like, Yo, what's going
Speaker 2: on with those impulse buyers? Cocksucker, It's called fans, bitch,
Speaker 2: look at it. But it wasn't dark. And I was
Speaker 2: in a dark place. And Pete, we were in a
Speaker 2: dark place in our partnership. And I'm just gonna keep
Speaker 2: it one hundred. Pete and I just like you said,
Speaker 2: we were just like we were putting together. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: were arranged marriage. And by the second album, what we
Speaker 2: wanted was different, different. What did he want? So for me,
Speaker 2: I wanted I wanted a New York Street record, Like
Speaker 2: I was already like fucking with NAS and fucking with
Speaker 2: O C. And like I wanted, like I wanted to
Speaker 2: do that like my techniques and like that was the
Speaker 2: album I wanted to make ladies gentlemen, right, you know
Speaker 2: in als ABC's and like that was like I love
Speaker 2: that ship. Yeah, that was my show. And even Daddy
Speaker 2: Rich in Atlanta twelve ten. Ye, like you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like that was, but Pete really was like
Speaker 2: making these dark, archaic, like alternative samples and like because
Speaker 2: I was already with my wife. So he was a problem.
Speaker 2: He was the problem child, see because I don'g Godzilla
Speaker 2: is my ship? Yeah, like that was my that was
Speaker 2: Why was that not a single? I'll tell you. I
Speaker 2: felt like y'all could have because we fell out white,
Speaker 2: because we fell apart, because we fell apart when we
Speaker 2: went out with Popco's The Weasel, when we went out
Speaker 2: with that tour. No, we got thirty minutes. And please
Speaker 2: tell me how y'all got what's his name in the
Speaker 2: video to play Vanilla Ice? Oh Rollins? Henry Robinds. You
Speaker 2: get Henry Robins. Jesse Jesse Himmelman aka Jesse Dylon was
Speaker 2: best friends. Jesse Dillon directed that video. Oh that's it, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's crazy. So Bob Dylan's son, right, But he wasn't
Speaker 2: going by Dylan. He was going by Jesse Himmelman, right, right,
Speaker 2: So but he directed the video. So I was in
Speaker 2: a very different place in nineteen ninety one. I I
Speaker 2: didn't want to be the kid who is freestyling with
Speaker 2: shak G and Tupac in the lobby till four o'clock
Speaker 2: in the morning. Like I didn't want to be the
Speaker 2: one who was running around being a clown in his underwear,
Speaker 2: you know, laughing, you know, and all of that shit.
Speaker 2: Like I wanted to have my wife on the road,
Speaker 2: like I promised her, like I would take her to
Speaker 2: see the world. So I was like, we all made decisions,
Speaker 2: like who you want to have on the road. So
Speaker 2: Peple was like, yo, I want my man shot Meek
Speaker 2: and Rich said I want this person. I said, yoa,
Speaker 2: I want Chantelle And they were like huh fun crusher. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but shan't tell. Like, but chant tell like you got it.
Speaker 2: She's a fucking g Like she told all of them
Speaker 2: to the fake that their faced, like I don't give
Speaker 2: a fuck about your girls. Fuck who you want to fuck.
Speaker 2: As long as my man is straight, I'm good. She
Speaker 2: would like set up towels and water for us on
Speaker 2: the side of the stage. She didn't have to do
Speaker 2: that shit. She would do it. She made friendship bracelets
Speaker 2: with the girls and like she she just did her shit,
Speaker 2: like she wasn't getting in anybody's way, and Pete was
Speaker 2: doing his dirt and like we weren't getting in the way.
Speaker 2: And then one night in Saint Louis, like he decides
Speaker 2: that he wants to just come fuck some chicks in
Speaker 2: the back of the bus. And we're like, okay, whatever,
Speaker 2: But the bus drivers can only drive for a certain
Speaker 2: amount of time of night before they have to pull over.
Speaker 2: And he had a place, We had some place to go,
Speaker 2: and where we did the show in Saint Louis was
Speaker 2: an hour away from the venue, so it had taken
Speaker 2: us and he wanted to take them back because their
Speaker 2: car was back at the venue. I was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: get them tricks off the fucking bus man of the cafe, right,
Speaker 2: like the get these holes off the bus man. It's
Speaker 2: time to go.
Speaker 4: And I went into my bunk and what happened was
Speaker 4: Pete got off the bus and he flew back to
Speaker 4: New York is in the middle of the tour. In
Speaker 4: the middle of the tour. Wow, So we pull into
Speaker 4: South Carolina. We put in tour manager, a guy named
Speaker 4: Mark Pearson.
Speaker 2: So he goes back to New York. I don't notice
Speaker 2: We're going over Friday's receipts and I see that he
Speaker 2: took three days of per diem when he wasn't on
Speaker 2: the road. And typically what we would do is we
Speaker 2: would give that to the dances, you know, or give
Speaker 2: it to our crew, like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like whatever, So I said to I said to Mark,
Speaker 2: I said, Mark, you know, why'd you give them the padem?
Speaker 2: He goes, Yo, just go talk to Pete. He's on
Speaker 2: some shit. So I go to the room and I
Speaker 2: see my two dancers who were my boys I grew up,
Speaker 2: Me and GYP with like sub Rock and KMD like
Speaker 2: my man. I'm met in Otis like my people. They're
Speaker 2: sitting around Pete and I'm like, Pete, why'd you take
Speaker 2: per diem for three days on the road?
Speaker 9: You know?
Speaker 2: You know, we give that to the dances. And he's
Speaker 2: on the phone and he goes, well, if your bitch
Speaker 2: wasn't on the road, I wouldn't have to go home. Ah,
Speaker 2: And I said, what did you just say? He said,
Speaker 2: you heard me. If your bitch wasn't on I said, yeah,
Speaker 2: you need to come out here and catch this ass
Speaker 2: whipping real quick. Hey. He's like what are you going
Speaker 2: to do? Slap me? I said, no, you you look
Speaker 2: like a grown ass man. I'm gonna beat your fucking
Speaker 2: ass right damn. So he's not coming out. He's and
Speaker 2: what happens is he's on the phone with Leor and
Speaker 2: Leor and they're hearing this. So I called Leor and
Speaker 2: at the time, our booking agent, Lee Stoleman, was working
Speaker 2: at Rush and I said, look, how many weeks we
Speaker 2: got in deposits on the tour? He said another two
Speaker 2: weeks and we already we had taken Cypress on the road.
Speaker 2: Cypress was our opening act. So like we're like I
Speaker 2: said to Lee, I said, look, we got to come
Speaker 2: off the road and regroup. Don't take any more deposits
Speaker 2: on this tour. And right now, like Popco Zuis is
Speaker 2: number two in the country, it's like number two pop
Speaker 2: Wreck in the country. Like we're selling out like ten
Speaker 2: thy twelve thousand seed arenas, like we're doing our thing.
Speaker 2: I'm like, look, we need to regroup. We need to
Speaker 2: come off this tour. We need to come off this
Speaker 2: road and regroup. So the tour was going towards New York.
Speaker 2: We land in Philly. It's the last night of what
Speaker 2: I think is the last show. I've been traveling behind
Speaker 2: the tour bus in a car, in a rental car
Speaker 2: with my girl, like not even going near them. At
Speaker 2: the Philly show, Pete's girlfriend, Daddy Rich's girlfriend, they those
Speaker 2: guys told their girlfriends that my girl was fucking up
Speaker 2: the relationship in the group, they try to jump my
Speaker 2: wife up behind on the side of the stage. Wait
Speaker 2: what yeah, Pete's girl and this girl Monet, who's richest girl,
Speaker 2: they try to jump my girl Like I'm like watching
Speaker 2: this from the side of Like I'm like so, I'm
Speaker 2: not even like I'll do my verse and get off
Speaker 2: stage and like protect my girl. Like that was it.
Speaker 2: I'm all my way home. I'm on my way home.
Speaker 2: I'm on my way home. And I said, Yo, I said,
Speaker 2: this shit is crazy. I'm on I'm literally on the
Speaker 2: phone and I'm saying to Leor like Leo, this shit
Speaker 2: is crazy, Like they just try to jump my girl
Speaker 2: and ya da da da dah, and he goes. We
Speaker 2: booked another three weeks and I said, ah, damn, I said,
Speaker 2: you just killed the group. I said, you just killed
Speaker 2: the group. Because at the end of these three weeks,
Speaker 2: I'm done. So those three weeks, I would literally get
Speaker 2: on stage and Dispete in front of our crowds, like,
Speaker 2: instead of Pete, tell him manifest this like in words
Speaker 2: of wisdom, I say, yo, bitch, tell him wow. And
Speaker 2: I would come off stage when he would rhyme, and
Speaker 2: when he was finished, I'd come on stage and do
Speaker 2: my verse and then leave the stage. And the audience
Speaker 2: was no, no, no, they were Oh they would, they would.
Speaker 2: MTV was Kurt Loder, Yo problems with third Base got
Speaker 2: the number one record in the country, and the great
Speaker 2: group is falling apart. And I basically told I told Leo,
Speaker 2: I told Leora and Russell like I'm done. And my
Speaker 2: wife is like, you know, is this really what you want?
Speaker 2: And I said yeah, And I said, in fact, I said,
Speaker 2: let's go get married. Let's go get married. Fuck them,
Speaker 2: let's get married. Like I'm ready. And she's like, well,
Speaker 2: I've been ready. So we got our blood work, we
Speaker 2: got our blood work. The one day we went to
Speaker 2: Queens County, We went to Queen's County Court, got married,
Speaker 2: and I headed out to La to live with my man.
Speaker 2: Epic from Wolf Epic right it comes, Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2: I have so many questions about returning of the product,
Speaker 2: so I go to live with them. I started recording
Speaker 2: Return of the Product. I'm with wolf Fin Epic. We're
Speaker 2: doing hard but true. Here it comes like all of
Speaker 2: that ship. I'm in LA just like chilling, like I'm chilling,
Speaker 2: like me and my wife, we're just chilling. I don't
Speaker 2: even want to go back to New York. I got
Speaker 2: a house there. I'm not even in there, like I'm
Speaker 2: paying bills like cross Country. Yah da da da da.
Speaker 2: Russell says, Yo, you gotta come home. This is this
Speaker 2: is enough. It's it's enough. You gotta come home. I
Speaker 2: come home. I go to see him here that apartment
Speaker 2: shares old apartment on West fourth Street. I go upstairs.
Speaker 2: He's trying to yell at me. I'm like, I grabbed
Speaker 2: the Dead Player. I put in his that machine. I
Speaker 2: play here it comes. He starts hearing here it comes,
Speaker 2: and he starts bouncing on his bed like this, Oh
Speaker 2: my god. We okay, you could do the solo record.
Speaker 2: And that's how the solo record happened. Wow. And but
Speaker 2: that was a dark but that was the dark place,
Speaker 2: and it started with the darkness of the recording of
Speaker 2: the album. It started with you know, Pete being like
Speaker 2: disillusioned and me being disillusioned with the partnership. It started
Speaker 2: with a lot of that, and and really the relationship
Speaker 2: started with he challenged me. I didn't really feel like
Speaker 2: I was making great records as a solo artist when
Speaker 2: I was with Sam. Sever Like as soon as I
Speaker 2: heard Words of Wisdom, I was like, oh, I gotta
Speaker 2: set my fucking game up hardest, hardest Chinese arithmetic. Like
Speaker 2: I wasn't thinking no shit like that, Like I I
Speaker 2: gotta I gotta step my game up, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? Like in and that's what I did. Like
Speaker 2: he challenged me, I wasn't challenged. Yeah, it just didn't
Speaker 2: sound like it sounded like whatever fun or passion. It
Speaker 2: was gone. Yeah, you're absolutely right. I was like, man,
Speaker 2: and it's you know, and it's it sucked the life.
Speaker 2: That album sucked the life out of me and more
Speaker 2: ways than one. And also there was a transition in
Speaker 2: our audience that sucked the life out of me.
Speaker 4: That was my next question because I'm like, if y'all
Speaker 4: are number two of pop goes the Weasel, is that
Speaker 4: audience audience looking like Yeah, like whatever, like.
Speaker 2: Club MTV and YO, and you know what's funny about
Speaker 2: Club MTV. I wouldn't say anything to Julie Brown because
Speaker 2: I didn't respect us, So she would put the mic
Speaker 2: in front of me, and I just kept my mouth closed,
Speaker 2: and then she would go to Pete and Pete would talk,
Speaker 2: and then she'd asked me a question. I kept my
Speaker 2: mouth closed. I didn't want to be there, like I
Speaker 2: look go ahead, because.
Speaker 1: The thing is, there's something happening with the transition of
Speaker 1: hip hop between eighty nine and ninety four, and what
Speaker 1: it is is like by the time we arrived in
Speaker 1: ninety four, it's cool to embrace your alternative arty, absolutely
Speaker 1: and I.
Speaker 2: Knew the new face of what hip hop for the
Speaker 2: next gazillion years.
Speaker 1: But there was there was so much slack that you know,
Speaker 1: the source was given cypress hil for like who these
Speaker 1: white boys in the audience are attracted and like even
Speaker 1: the source didn't understand what was going on. So you
Speaker 1: guys were a part of You're seeing the audience literally
Speaker 1: changed and it doesn't look like the Latin quarter.
Speaker 2: No more, no not even doesn't look like the Latin quarter.
Speaker 2: We I mean, we went from having like literally on
Speaker 2: pop Go Zuisa. We would have like shows at the
Speaker 2: Palladium in La where it's like all black crowds to
Speaker 2: doing Roanoke Virginia and college kids jumping on our stage
Speaker 2: and hugging our dancers and flying into the audience and
Speaker 2: like surfing, Like I'll never forget the first time that happened.
Speaker 2: Our dancer, our med thought somebody was rushing him and
Speaker 2: like body slammed it due to the ground and he
Speaker 2: was like and didn't understand. He just jumped in, just
Speaker 2: got stage dived, And we're like, what the fuck is
Speaker 2: going on? Like we're going to like pop stations and
Speaker 2: we're telling pop stations like you realize we're dissing you
Speaker 2: on this record, Like you do realize we're disincaparating. You're
Speaker 2: not playing day La Soul, You're not playing a tribe
Speaker 2: called Quest. You're playing Hammer and Vanilla Wafer Like you're
Speaker 2: playing bullshit, Like you should be playing Big Daddy Kane.
Speaker 2: You should be playing Queen Latifa, you should be playing Tribe,
Speaker 2: you should be playing pe like that's real hip hop.
Speaker 2: And they're like now SEC Music Factory like and I'm
Speaker 2: like I'm like fuck, Like what who am I talking to? Like,
Speaker 2: I don't even know these people, And again going back
Speaker 2: to the whole thing, I have to protect hip hop,
Speaker 2: but I'm at a point where i don't even know
Speaker 2: what hip hop is when I'm looking at these dudes,
Speaker 2: I don't even know what you produced pop goes U
Speaker 2: S fifties, So like at the time, is this like
Speaker 2: almost like a fight for your right thing where it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: so no, I always thought that she was dope, like
Speaker 2: I thought that sample was. No.
Speaker 1: It is, though, but you didn't realize that it might
Speaker 1: come to bite you in the ass, turn you into
Speaker 1: the very thing.
Speaker 2: Right, No, no, not at all what we say hip
Speaker 2: hop got turned into hip hop. The second record was
Speaker 2: number one on the pop charts, But don't get on
Speaker 2: the heart that got to start in the ghetto that
Speaker 2: no one forget about the hard part. Now, in ninety one,
Speaker 2: we got a new band, a new brand looking like
Speaker 2: the same old clan, same old thieves as schemes, So
Speaker 2: we got to make sure that real rappers got to endure.
Speaker 2: And I'm looking at these white boys that are like
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you don't even know who the fuck
Speaker 2: I'm talking about, the same thing. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. But at least public enemy, they were smart
Speaker 2: enough to educate the people. Like Chuck would look at
Speaker 2: these people and say, you are not my enemy, but
Speaker 2: here's why you were my enemy. You know. He would
Speaker 2: have that conversation like we weren't having a conversation. We
Speaker 2: were like, you guys look like dicks, Like we don't
Speaker 2: look nothing like you, Like we are nothing. I hated
Speaker 2: those kids. And you know what a lot of those
Speaker 2: guys now that come up to me and they're like
Speaker 2: CEOs of companies and like, dude, we used to rock
Speaker 2: you and you know the frat and I'm like, yes,
Speaker 2: let's do business. So it's really funny, like now I'm
Speaker 2: glad you respect me. Like I need I need money
Speaker 2: for a dude, We're doing this DC fund and like
Speaker 2: we need to raise money. Here's my mayn and Matthew like, yo,
Speaker 2: let's let's raise this capital. Because you were a frat
Speaker 2: boy who liked you know, Pop goes the weasel, so
Speaker 2: like you know what I'm saying, goes to weasel crowd.
Speaker 4: When y'all did, what would the response be like when
Speaker 4: y'all did, like a Brooklyn Queens or.
Speaker 2: Like they loved it. They liked it, but I'm yeah,
Speaker 2: they would fuck with it. But for me, like as
Speaker 2: soon as shit was done, like the greatest thing that
Speaker 2: happened to me was my solo album because Nas came
Speaker 2: into my life, you know what I mean, and oh
Speaker 2: C was already in my life, and like that brought
Speaker 2: me back home. Like even in LA, I was twisted.
Speaker 2: Like in LA, I'm making these happy hard but true.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about you know, Zora and Neil, and I'm
Speaker 2: talking about like how hard it is to be truthful
Speaker 2: to who you are. And I'm like and I'm letting
Speaker 2: my man reefing, I'm letting my May and Mattie see here,
Speaker 2: and they're like, yo, Bi, you got to get back
Speaker 2: to the street, like here's some peace, like go go listen.
Speaker 2: And like that's when I made, you know, back to
Speaker 2: the grill. T Ray double xp so so yeah, so
Speaker 2: and then you know, and then that brought me back,
Speaker 2: like and meeting Nas and doing all of that that
Speaker 2: how did you know that t Ray oh I had
Speaker 2: the double Xboxy album. I thought I was knocketting on
Speaker 2: the edge of the door.
Speaker 7: Id no, no.
Speaker 2: No, So I mean, so that was What really brought
Speaker 2: me back is like when Nas came into the studio
Speaker 2: refin stretch and was like, yo, I need help. Like
Speaker 2: I was like, this is has sham. This is the
Speaker 2: most high, like bringing me back to where I need
Speaker 2: to be helping a queen's m C and like doing
Speaker 2: what I should be doing, which is protecting artists, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So the baseball car stuff, what
Speaker 2: was that with Peter? So the other thing, well, so
Speaker 2: Pete has been in some interesting situations post third Base.
Speaker 4: One of the things first was his Frill solo album
Speaker 4: was a Kick kickbo was right, I remember Dust the Dust.
Speaker 4: I remember that was the first time I remember reading
Speaker 4: an exec actually say that they were worried about how
Speaker 4: a record was going to sell and that I was like, damn,
Speaker 4: they just Russell. He was like, yeah, we don't know
Speaker 4: how this is going to do. I'm like, well, damn,
Speaker 4: so much for fourteen shots of the don't right?
Speaker 2: Right right? But at least fourteen shots went platinum. I
Speaker 2: mean it's still you know, you know, but yeah, Pete
Speaker 2: told fourteen thousand records on that Damn I sold four
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand, Like I think right now, return
Speaker 2: the products at like seven hundred and fifty thousand, and
Speaker 2: Pete set like fourteen thousand. Damn, so I was two
Speaker 2: of them. Good for you. I'm glad. I'm glad for
Speaker 2: you because I don't have to. I'm loyal anyway, No, no, no,
Speaker 2: but anyway. But but so, Pete was always in love
Speaker 2: with baseball. He would always like go hunting for like
Speaker 2: rare artifacts of baseball, baseball artifacts, cards, gloves like that's
Speaker 2: been his passion for a long time. I guess what
Speaker 2: I had heard, And if you really want to see
Speaker 2: the whole thing, you have to google Peter Nash. There's
Speaker 2: there's a five thousand word essay that Sports Illustrated did
Speaker 2: on it. So supposedly, from what I understand, is that
Speaker 2: Pete got involved in some counterfeit signatures and counterfeit baseball
Speaker 2: card collecting, and he basically sold them to a very
Speaker 2: high and well known like the j Z of collecting,
Speaker 2: this guy, Barry Liftson, and he gave and Barry Listen
Speaker 2: gave him loans of up to eight hundred and seventy
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars against this phony cards, and then he
Speaker 2: told Pete that he had like a certain amount of
Speaker 2: time to pay. Pete wouldn't pay, and then he had
Speaker 2: the stuff like insured or try to, you know, and
Speaker 2: then they found out it was worthless. So Pete, damn.
Speaker 2: I think I think Pete has a warrant. I don't
Speaker 2: know what's going on. I think there's some warrants for
Speaker 2: Jersey in New York that is not really on the run.
Speaker 2: I know he doesn't have a cell phone, like I know.
Speaker 2: I know that to get in touch with him, there's
Speaker 2: one number that you can call on like a Wednesday,
Speaker 2: and it's somebody I don't want to know.
Speaker 7: I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's something. But I mean, Pete is definitely
Speaker 2: trying to fix it, like he's trying to like point
Speaker 2: out other scams. Like I think he's trying his Twitter
Speaker 2: thing as wholes of shame, Like he's trying to like
Speaker 2: point out other counterfeiters now so that people don't fall
Speaker 2: into the same trap. He's claiming that he didn't know, Okay,
Speaker 2: but I've heard that that's not accurate. Yeah, that's not accurate.
Speaker 2: Dann And and Daddy Rich. Look, the bottom line is this.
Speaker 2: I will never go on stage with Third Base ever again.
Speaker 2: It's it's just done. I tried in twenty thirteen as
Speaker 2: a favorite to a friend. We did a show at
Speaker 2: SRB and Brooklyn as a favor, and we got on
Speaker 2: stage and I had a good time, but I was
Speaker 2: so I already have a tremor as it is from
Speaker 2: like medication that I take. But I was on stage
Speaker 2: literally like this. I couldn't control it. And it was
Speaker 2: nervous energy and it was excitement. It was a lot
Speaker 2: of different things that my father's watching and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm just like shaking and but whatever. For whatever reason,
Speaker 2: we got a whole bunch of dates after that. Oh wow.
Speaker 2: So then we do another date and a festival in
Speaker 2: Indiana and my wife is looking at me like, oh God,
Speaker 2: like I don't really want this life again, like and
Speaker 2: I don't want this. So she says to me, she
Speaker 2: you know, she finally said, because I said to her,
Speaker 2: I was like, look, they're putting together a European tour,
Speaker 2: like thirty dates like and She's like, look, if you
Speaker 2: do that, like you might as well just divorce me.
Speaker 2: I don't want that life. So I said to our
Speaker 2: road manager at the time, my Manikey Palms. I was
Speaker 2: like yeah, oh you know, I'm sorry. I'm not doing
Speaker 2: any more dates. And he said, what do you mean?
Speaker 2: I said, what do you mean? What I mean? I
Speaker 2: just told you he goes. I just advanced Pete ten
Speaker 2: shows because he told me you were doing the shows.
Speaker 2: And I said, yo, I mean, I said, first of all,
Speaker 2: I never said I was doing those shows as A
Speaker 2: and B. I feel bad for those promoters, but I
Speaker 2: ain't got nothing to do with that. My name is
Speaker 2: pauled Us between y'all, like, I ain't got nothing to
Speaker 2: do with it. And moreover, don't ever call me about
Speaker 2: that again. Don't ever call me about a show again.
Speaker 2: So this past New Year's we got an offer for
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars to do one night in Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: for New Year's Eve, and I said, no, not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Just not gonna happen. And Daddy Rich with his sixty followers,
Speaker 2: went on a diet tribe talking about how I try
Speaker 2: to fuck his girl, how I used to fuck prostitutes
Speaker 2: on the road, that I gave my wife an STD
Speaker 2: A lot of that like this is on Twitter on Twitter.
Speaker 2: If you would never beat it, right, yeah, petty, pet
Speaker 2: So I just literally just said I wish you the
Speaker 2: best of luck in your future endeavors. Never talked to
Speaker 2: me again, never see me, you know. So it's that
Speaker 2: dude is literally to damn, it's that to me. Well, Search,
Speaker 2: I'm giving you. I'm very blessed. We're doing our wrap
Speaker 2: up with you. Normally we do it once once our
Speaker 2: guest is out. But what did you learn, man? Man?
Speaker 12: Uh?
Speaker 2: Man? I learned that Uh yeah, God, this has been
Speaker 2: like fucking hip hop nerd trivia.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 4: Man, I learned that Search is very much still you know,
Speaker 4: in tune, you know, to the music, to the culture.
Speaker 4: He is very much I didn't know that you had
Speaker 4: records prior to the Cactus that was. That was my
Speaker 4: first time hearing those records.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Uh, it's funny we have a connection. Dan Charnis of course.
Speaker 4: He uh, I do all the rhymes for the break
Speaker 4: and there's a line, uh, there's I play a.
Speaker 2: Character that third baseline.
Speaker 4: And so he said, Man, I got a call Search
Speaker 4: about this, and I was like work because I mean,
Speaker 4: this is the first I meet it.
Speaker 2: I was like, man, and so he hit me back,
Speaker 2: He's like, your Search was super cool about it. He was,
Speaker 2: so I was like, because I'm such a big fan
Speaker 2: of yours that first, everything you've done, I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: just a huge fan. So thank you, thank you what
Speaker 2: you've done to the contribute to hip hop and the culture.
Speaker 2: And it's just amazing listening to you. Like I said,
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 4: I was ten when Cactus drop. I was eleven when
Speaker 4: Derrelks drop, So I grew up on it. It's just
Speaker 4: this is great just to sit here and just break
Speaker 4: bread with your brother.
Speaker 2: Thank you. On paid Bill, did you learn anything man?
Speaker 2: Juice and hip hop man? Both?
Speaker 8: This show is like Black History Month, It's like black MPR.
Speaker 8: And then it's like Bill, what's the white perspective? Which
Speaker 8: which I enjoy giving and.
Speaker 2: I'm happy to do so.
Speaker 8: However, I feel like today baby, the tables were turning
Speaker 8: a little bit, and I thank you for this balance.
Speaker 2: Yes, Bill, you are more than welcome you. It is balanced, sugar, Steve,
Speaker 2: did you.
Speaker 1: Yea?
Speaker 2: The chanting?
Speaker 4: Was he?
Speaker 3: That's the whole part too with you is going to
Speaker 3: be all champing.
Speaker 2: Right now? I know she that was my hotttal portion too, dude,
Speaker 2: that's crazy.
Speaker 7: Part two in random I think you're jewishing Bill and Steve.
Speaker 2: It's weird, pretty good start freestyling.
Speaker 10: I learned that Search to write two books, one of
Speaker 10: course on business and how to diversify, and the other
Speaker 10: on I don't know. I just feel like I never
Speaker 10: knew such a story about how you became englfed in
Speaker 10: the culture, and it was such an education and a
Speaker 10: long education. I know every white person can't do this,
Speaker 10: but maybe he just put it in a book and consolidate.
Speaker 7: Then we could just it would be a different world.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you we're gonna have a great TV show
Speaker 2: hopefully coming out soon, and that will tell a lot
Speaker 2: of great stories. They call me Search coming soon and
Speaker 2: the app the app, yeah yeah, And if you want
Speaker 2: to be part of the beta, go to get go
Speaker 2: to Beta at get A do g E t A
Speaker 2: d U E dot com. Right, Matthew, thanks? Okay, oh yeah, yo,
Speaker 2: did you learn anything?
Speaker 10: I just want to say one more thing beside, every
Speaker 10: strong Jewish man is a strong black woman.
Speaker 13: Absolutely right. I used to end my show, every radio show, Okay,
Speaker 13: we're gonna go Bill. That's the sound of getting punched
Speaker 13: and that's shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Search, I thank you very much. And this
Speaker 2: Quest loves.
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