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Speaker 1: Questlove Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode

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Speaker 1: was produced by the team at Pandora. Ladies and Gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: this is Questlove and You're listening to QLs. Classic Of

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Speaker 1: all of our archived episodes, this is probably one of

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Speaker 1: the most requested ones, and so wonder why FC Search

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Speaker 1: of Therapase is one of the best storytellers in hip hop.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's the king of I was there and

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Speaker 2: this happened to me.

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Speaker 1: So many stories, man, so many stories, yes, including the

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Speaker 1: infamous hammer.

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Speaker 2: I'm not even going to spoil alert yo.

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Speaker 1: From February fifteenth, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: This is the.

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Speaker 1: World famous, long awaited return of the MC search episode

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Speaker 1: of Questlove Supreme Classic.

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Speaker 3: Hope you enjoyed.

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Speaker 2: Wait wait stop stop stop stop stop stop? Does everyone

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Speaker 2: get traumatized? Whatever? The organ at the top, like, where's

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Speaker 2: the one? Where's the corn? It's never one? All right,

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Speaker 2: We've never done that, wone?

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Speaker 3: Relax?

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Speaker 4: Hello, all right, yoga, let's do it.

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Speaker 5: Supreamo soup bream roll cream, Supremo, rolla, Supremo, roll call Premo,

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Speaker 5: so Supremo.

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Speaker 2: Roll.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's Quest Love. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, my name is Fante. Yeah, I don't rock no perm. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: don't drink the milk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's sperm. Roll call. My name is Sugar.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got the blues, Yeah, but not tonight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so many dude. Supremo, Supremo, Supremo roll call. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Valentine's Day. Yeah, I hope that you. Yeah, got fucking

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Speaker 2: leader sore Son roll Suprema son Son Suprema roll.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm in this space. Yeah here, Yeah, we're gonna

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Speaker 7: get the gas pace roll.

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Speaker 2: Delivery Suprema son Son Supremo roll. My name is search

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Speaker 2: that big m C Yeah, third base two fucking their life.

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Speaker 1: Upbra, ladies and gentlemen, If you have ever said to yourself,

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Speaker 1: I wish a mirror would get to the point I'm

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Speaker 1: not even talking to people there, people that know me.

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Speaker 2: For people that know look at the room, disres and

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Speaker 2: smiling like a motherfucker. I'm gonna tell you.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you for every long winded epic story

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Speaker 1: I've ever typed instagrams, be twenty five is parographs. You

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Speaker 1: not have the heart to be like all right, be

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Speaker 1: wrapping up. I get you have to paint the picture.

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Speaker 1: I got that from one person that's.

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Speaker 2: Some ball face line like I'm saying Search you are.

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Speaker 2: You are like my slick Rick.

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Speaker 1: Your your stories and your war stories and your experiences

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Speaker 1: in hip hop culture are one of my favorite recollected

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Speaker 1: stories ever.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome MC search. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: thank you. Shout out to all the Jews in the building.

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Speaker 2: Font that's right, marchal math. We're out numbers, so happy

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Speaker 2: now I did the math. It's a tire, right, you

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Speaker 2: did the math. Yeah, he did the math. That's good.

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Speaker 2: That's good. Which makes it sound like prior it wasn't

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Speaker 2: like it sounds like you got jumped like you did

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Speaker 2: back in Brooklyn jumped. We just got ignored.

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Speaker 1: Go to us for the white comedy, White guy already,

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Speaker 1: we're going in already.

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Speaker 2: How you doing, man, I'm I'm great. First of all,

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Speaker 2: it's great to be here. It's great to be and

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Speaker 2: it was great to see you in Orlando. Uh, tear

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Speaker 2: down the building once again. Thank you for you guys

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Speaker 2: who don't know. I've had the pleasure of knowing this

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Speaker 2: brother for a very long time. And there's a funny

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Speaker 2: family storyline that goes with it, because the first time

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Speaker 2: third Base reunited and went back out on soa Quest

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Speaker 2: was playing drums for di'angelo and Third Base was opening

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Speaker 2: for D'Angelo. Oh wow. I took my daughter to this

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Speaker 2: Europeans She was six years old and she would fall

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Speaker 2: asleep behind a stage and you know, like just a

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Speaker 2: mirror would be like next to her all the time. Like,

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Speaker 2: so I was like, yo, let's get a picture. So

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Speaker 2: I got a picture Quest and my daughter Mayana and

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Speaker 2: then like every ten years like my daughter and Quest.

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Speaker 2: Evolution chart. Yeah, it's like the evolution chart. It's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: So we have these like pictures and we just took

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Speaker 2: I'll be ninety six when she's like forty.

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Speaker 1: All right, So Search not wanting to waste a millisecond

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Speaker 1: of your life on the show you started in Far Rockaway, Queens.

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Speaker 2: Yes, shout out to Far Rockaway, shout out to Hammel Projects,

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Speaker 2: Redfern aka Wave Cress aka be seventeen, Cigarette Boulevard, a

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Speaker 2: lot of aka Mott Avenue Wait which aka he sounded

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Speaker 2: like Kevin hamon Road aka reads Lane.

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Speaker 1: All right, So two pillows, which by myself what what

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Speaker 1: part of Queens is that that you're from that they

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Speaker 2: Far Rockaway is right on the border of Long Island,

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Speaker 2: so far Rockaway. My block Queens was on this side

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Speaker 2: and literally one block over was Long Island on the

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Speaker 2: prices and houses, like my parents' house in nineteen sixty

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Speaker 2: just the so Long Island was considered the nice part

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Speaker 2: of town. Oh so nice, so nice. What part of

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Speaker 2: Long Island the Five Towns publicantemy, No, that's that's a

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Speaker 2: more like inwood Ulett, see the Heurst five Towns like

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Speaker 2: crime family Iiha, Cohen, all the good shit, all the

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Speaker 2: dudes that got laid up like Gotti, all those dudes,

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Speaker 2: they were all in my neighborhood. Really. Yeah. They would

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Speaker 2: move people from Howard Beach into like Inwood and run

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, oh wait they okay, I see ye fucking

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Speaker 1: what you're doing?

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Speaker 2: Seeing fucking doing.

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Speaker 1: So, being as like one as a new resident of

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Speaker 2: When I was in middle school, there were schools in

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Speaker 2: high school? I went to I is fifty three Brian

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Speaker 2: Piccolo Middle numbers though yeah, p S two was named

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Speaker 2: after Brian Piccolo, a Chicago Bear player, which is still

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Speaker 2: Brian so right, Brian song. We had to watch that

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Speaker 2: to a dying Brian Piccolo. So anyway, so yeah, was

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Speaker 2: like I just there was no where I was going.

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Speaker 2: Was that the local high school? That was the local

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Speaker 2: As you know, Oh wow, so Jonah Salk went there. Wow,

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Speaker 2: phil oaks information too. Yeah you think you just a

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Speaker 2: wealth of worthless information right now? I love that. So

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Speaker 2: I did not want to go. And my mother may

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Speaker 2: she rest in peace, went to Music and Art High

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Speaker 2: School in Harlem, so she said you should just try out.

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Speaker 2: Like only two students in the history of our whole

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Speaker 2: went in. I sang a traditional Hebrew song in Hebrew. Yes,

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Speaker 2: bring it right now, shells the hot right now, chefs

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Speaker 2: Shallo Salme, shells the hub exclusive. I'm in the movie

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Speaker 2: I had. I had a mad I had a mad

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Speaker 2: alto voice like alto yeah before drop so earlier Michael

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Speaker 2: Jackson right like, enjoy yourself, Michael Jackson, right right up there.

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Speaker 2: So I get into the school. It's amazing. And the

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Speaker 2: So you'd have to take the A train through Queens,

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Speaker 2: and I hear these dudes doing they're ramen, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I got some good Hebrew that could go along with that.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, like I could, I could drop Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I can drop some like and I'm hearing the skit

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Speaker 2: and I'm like that sounds like he'll Billy girl from

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Speaker 2: like they can't go Crew. I'm like, nah, they're just biting.

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Speaker 2: And there's this whole site for going on. A guy's

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Speaker 2: and I'm looking down and it's Lance Omega, Dana Day

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Speaker 2: and Ricky d Wow and they are the King went

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Speaker 2: to high school with Yeah and j Cool in the

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Speaker 2: Frestrian Seas and Lord Treue from the Eternal Force so much.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. So I'm watching them do He'll Billy Girl,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, and we had like third fourth generation,

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Speaker 2: you know, cassette tapes of what they used to do

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Speaker 2: in the parks, Me and my man Greg and my

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Speaker 2: man Tommy, like we like listen to that. Like so

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Speaker 2: I'm like, are you kidding me? Like these guys go

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Speaker 2: to my high school. It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: So they never had a record deal, No, no, never

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Speaker 1: with out the two members besides Dan and Dane.

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Speaker 2: And Lance and Omega Lance DJ Lance right, No, not

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Speaker 2: Lance Romance, not DJ Lance. No. So there was just

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Speaker 2: just two of their homeboys from they all rhyme alike. Yes,

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Speaker 2: did they all have like yes, yes, yes, yeah, like yes,

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Speaker 2: definitely like and it was definitely and Rick because he

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Speaker 2: had only come from London like five years prior. Like

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Speaker 2: he had a thick, thick British accent, and the girls

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Speaker 2: just it was moisture in that building. There was moisture

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Speaker 2: dude starts beatboxing. Who doesn't go to my school? And

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Speaker 2: hear Ricky go lotty dotty, lotty dotty.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, So he does the whole verse and for

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Speaker 2: I'm at Hot Skates and Lynnbrook chilling with my boys.

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Speaker 2: I walk into McDonald's. I'm already EMC search, but I'm

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Speaker 2: And this big ass dude, he's like, fucking white boy,

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Speaker 2: ain't slick. I was so mesmerized by what they did

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Speaker 2: like what And he's like, yo, I became a five

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, why am I devil? Like you're a

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Speaker 2: they called me search. So now, so now I'm tagging

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Speaker 2: my name right? That also?

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Speaker 7: That is that a myth? That's party? Because I heard

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Speaker 2: Of I practiced. I practiced the one that tends like

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Speaker 7: Every white man in his room just put his head down.

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Speaker 7: I don't even know what the is going on.

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Speaker 2: This is like a whole another Yes, the original woke.

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Speaker 2: This is the original state woke.

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Speaker 7: Right, Oh boy, I ain't search. I love it and

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Speaker 2: Yes, so yeah, we it was really woke. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: so on my sixteenth birthday, my home, my best friend,

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Speaker 2: buckle and the thing was the name no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: So he got the five one, but he tried to

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Speaker 2: Kevin on Moore? Okay, keV Love, Yeah, love keV Love

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Speaker 2: fuck it, I'm just gonna keep it, sus h. And

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Speaker 2: that's how I spelled the name, did I disappoint you,

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Speaker 2: lazy no man, search man. I'm just mind blown. I

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Speaker 2: am a most blessed white Jewish man in the history

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Speaker 2: of hip hop. Let's be very let's be very clear,

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Speaker 2: like I tell that people all the time, like when

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Speaker 2: We wouldn't be doing a dude, if hip hop didn't

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Speaker 2: everything I learned business, acumen, marketing, promotion, music, love of culture,

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Speaker 2: like everything came from hip hop. You know. I mean

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Speaker 3: How old were you when you were just telling that

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Speaker 2: No, no, that Lottie Dotty, that was like eighty five.

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Speaker 1: So search like being a white dude in a culture

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Speaker 2: There was no question that we all thought they were No,

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Speaker 1: Now forget the inside sleeve of licensed to Ill back

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Speaker 1: when they did parties getting rough in the Beastie group,

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Speaker 1: like you just fess the man, like I thought they

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Speaker 1: were Puerto Rican. Oh wow, Because it just never occurred

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Speaker 1: to me that white dudes could have flavor. So you

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Speaker 1: So that said, I mean, were you a walking novelty

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Speaker 1: when He described how he first met you with Greg Nice.

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Speaker 1: He was like, Yo, I never seen no bookshit like

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Speaker 2: Like he described he.

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Speaker 7: Just had watermelon at the Latin Quarter Search Watermelon.

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Speaker 1: He described the moment where you first heard Big Daddy

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Speaker 1: He's like the most incredible thing, Like he just never

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Speaker 1: how did you navigate not being a caricature so to speak?

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Speaker 1: Like Chappelle always says, like always be scared of the

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Speaker 2: So what was it like just between eighty one and

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Speaker 2: I was really very quiet and very shy because with

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Speaker 2: there were no white rappers and Blake had the most

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Speaker 2: flavor I'd ever seen in my life, Like he was

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Speaker 2: wearing creased Lee's with like dark black wallabies and had

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Speaker 2: like he was from Brooklyn, and I was like, whatever

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Speaker 2: because I don't have that flavor. In Far Rockaway. I

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Speaker 2: oh you never rhind in us? Nah, I never never

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Speaker 2: I never got into the circle. I never never had

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Speaker 2: the balls to step into that circle. Like never was

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Speaker 3: Shout out to teenagers with no balls man.

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Speaker 2: Aka the Jewish Brother aka lunch Room a k A.

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Speaker 2: Small testicles, So that was never gonna happen. So I figured, like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: so I've absorbed all of these mcs that are in

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Speaker 2: So I had gone to music and art on a voice.

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Speaker 2: On voice, I was singing Italian opera, and like my

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Speaker 2: thought was, I would go to school because I couldn't

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Speaker 2: afford to go to Yeshiva, and I would be either

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Speaker 2: And I had to make a decision signing day right

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Speaker 2: and the weekend before, I tell my mom, like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to Saint Louis any shiit for me

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Speaker 2: in Saint Louis. I want to be a rapper. And

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Speaker 2: she said, what do you mean You're gonna rap gifts

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Speaker 2: its sears? Like what's a rapper? Really appreciate this? She said,

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Speaker 2: Vashonista rapper like Vashnish. I'm like, mom, there's this culture

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Speaker 2: called hip hop, and you know there's a music called

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Speaker 2: rap and the guys who do it are MCS and

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Speaker 2: I want to be a rapper. She says, so, what's

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Speaker 2: your plan? And I said, I just told you my plan.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be a rapper. She said, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: If you're going to give away four years of college,

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Speaker 2: I need you to have a plan, like I need

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Speaker 2: you to figure it out, Like you can't just say

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Speaker 2: you're going to be a rapper. And the thing that

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Speaker 2: I had going for me is my mother was a

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Speaker 2: and thirty five, and she had to leave that to

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Speaker 2: Belt for? I'm sorry for Jews, right, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: There's so it's it's all in the Catskills, so Kutcher's brown,

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Speaker 2: like it was all these different hotels in the Catskills.

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Speaker 2: That was called the Borsch Belt.

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Speaker 1: This is the craziest thing because my dad did up

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Speaker 1: in the Caskills doing all those hotels, like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so that was called the Borsch Belt. So

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Speaker 2: young like Jewish artists would go perform and they would

431
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 2: do like vaudeville and they would sing. And my mom

432
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 2: was one of those singer. Yeah, she had an amazing voice.

433
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 2: And she's like, you know, put a plan together, and

434
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 2: let me see the plan, but you have to tell

435
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 2: Saint Louis School of Music on Monday that you're going

436
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 2: to college, and if you're not, I want to know

437
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 2: the plant. So I spent all Friday, Saturday, and Sunday

438
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 2: like writing this plan, like, well, I got got to

439
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 2: gotta find a producer, and I gotta find a manager,

440
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 2: and I gotta make a demo, and I gotta get

441
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: in the studio and I gotta and so I'm going

442
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 2: through this whole list all weekend like I didn't leave

443
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: my basement, Like all weekend, I'm just going through this list.

444
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 2: Hold this list. I gotta hit the clubs. And and

445
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 2: she wanted to know how much time it was going

446
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 2: to take me to do this, and I said three

447
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 2: and a half years. And three and a half years,

448
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have a record contract. And she said, I'll

449
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 2: tell you what. I'll support you keep a part time job,

450
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 2: pay for the insurance and the guests in your car,

451
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 2: but keep it least a part time job or a job.

452
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 2: I'll pay for your demo. I'll pay for your stage clothes.

453
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 2: I'll pay for it. I'll support you. But you have

454
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 2: two choices at the end of three and a half years.

455
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: You go back to school and get out my house,

456
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 2: or you get a job and get out my house.

457
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: But either way you get Yeah it was different. Wait,

458
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 2: can we just it was different? Welcome to.

459
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: Man.

460
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 2: This search is wait in your mom and your mind.

461
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: Time for your mom one time, No, dude, because my

462
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 2: dad was the opposite. I put it. I didn't tell

463
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: my dad. Dad didn't find out about the Roots until

464
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 2: the second album.

465
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: Ya had a deal and like it took a record

466
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: review of do you want More to be? Like someone

467
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: showed me this today. You want to explain what's going on? Yeah, Dad,

468
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: I got her.

469
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: Record deal and signed the Deaf Records and Wendy Goldsen

470
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 2: is my n He didn't believe me or approved till

471
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: the things fall apart. That was when he finally got it. Wait,

472
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 2: she let you knock and you had not an option

473
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 2: give a full round full to a forty thousand dollars

474
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: a year school George Washington University and their Saint Louis

475
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: School of Music their specialty program for voice instrumental was

476
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 2: it because you and your mom was your father around?

477
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: My father was around. So my father was the kind

478
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 2: of guy like I would go to him, go, Dad, man,

479
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I don't know if I should do this,

480
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: and you go, so don't do it. But like my

481
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: dad like, I really want to do it, So do it.

482
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know, Well, don't ask me. Then

483
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 2: either do it or don't do it. Yes, no, I

484
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: don't know. There's your three answers. What do you want

485
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: from me? So my dad really was involved in, like,

486
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: you know, this career thing. He was just like, so

487
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: do it. I'm still mind blowing, Like, well, my mom

488
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: I think would help. Well your dad was a musician

489
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: as well, when you gave her this plan. But here's

490
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: this three page plant. And after three and a half years,

491
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: you either go back to school and get out my

492
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 2: house or you get a job and get out my house.

493
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: But either way, you get out my house. On my birthday,

494
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 2: twenty one May sixth I signed my deal to death.

495
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: Jim Wow. Three years at three years, three years. And

496
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 2: the funny thing was the car that lasted me that

497
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: whole time. And I'll tell you about that car between

498
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 2: me and Pete because we wrote most of the Cactus

499
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 2: album in that car because it was called the think tank.

500
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: Because it had no radio, all you could do is

501
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 2: think in it, so we could just literally write rhymes

502
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 2: like not even accept player that play instrument. No, she

503
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 2: was dead, just dead. We would just think. That's We

504
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 2: called it the think tank, like we drove it all

505
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: over the place. It was in nineteen seventy four of

506
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 2: Volare and was just like a think tank. So I signed,

507
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 2: So I signed deaf Jam. I get a fifteen thousand

508
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: dollars advance right to sign a deaf Jam. I go

509
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: to my mom. I show the contest it was like,

510
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: and we had a beg for that money. We had

511
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 2: a beg for it. So my mom gives me two letters. Yes,

512
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: one letter says how proud she is of me, and

513
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: that I won't really realize what I just accomplished until

514
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: I have children of my own, and that the real

515
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: work and the real testament is to how long I

516
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: ran no streets because I random streets. For three years,

517
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 2: I treated my house and then we'll go to that.

518
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: But for three years. I treated my house like a hotel,

519
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: like I literally was at a shit shower shave, and

520
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: I was in the streets six days a week, every club, Brooklyn, Queens,

521
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: Long Island, Stan Island, anywhere there was a cipher, I

522
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: was there. I was there, like it was not even

523
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: a question. I was everywhere. I was every Like my

524
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: friends like to call me the forest Gump of hip

525
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: hop because from nineteen eighty five to nineteen eighty nine,

526
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 2: anything that happened in the Five Boroughs that was historic,

527
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 2: I was there. It's period period. I was just there.

528
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: Let's go through it and we will. But I just

529
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 2: want to just tell you this once quick story because

530
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: the Jews in the room will appreciate it. Yeah. So

531
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: my mother gives me this letter telling me how proud

532
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: she is of me, but that the real work starts

533
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: when I signed the contract, like all the work was nothing.

534
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: Now that I really have to do the work. Now,

535
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: you got to keep it right, maintain it. And the

536
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: second letter was a bill electric rent clothing season charge

537
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: right seventeen nine hundred and thirty six dollars and forty

538
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: three cents, And she wanted to know how I was

539
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 2: going to pay it. And that was three years period. Wow,

540
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: So I said, Mom, I said, I only got fifteen thousand.

541
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: I'll give you five thousand now and the rest of it,

542
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,239
Speaker 2: I'll give you my ass cap royalties, which for all

543
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: those that don't know, is when your record plays on

544
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: the radio, you make money. So for about ten years after,

545
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: I would get phone calls at home and go, Michael,

546
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: did you know your record Step into the Am played

547
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: in Israel four times this month? You made that dollar

548
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: thirty one? And in Germany your record? And did you

549
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: know that if your record plays on w any W

550
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: you make more money than if it plays on Kiss FM.

551
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: And so anyway, ten years later, in nineteen ninety seven

552
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: or nineteen eighty ninety eight, she sent me a letter

553
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: that said paid in full, that like my ass covered

554
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: the debt. Damn. So people always say one or two things,

555
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: either laugh at that or go, damn, your mom is

556
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: fucked up. No, no, she rues, would you reap the

557
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:46,719
Speaker 2: one thousand?

558
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: I don't feel bad now because my dad did the

559
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: same shit to me. He kind of yeah, he was

560
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: like I didn't tell him about our vance. So one

561
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: day that just came on with all these new clothes

562
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: like we went overboard, like we we polled ourselves to death,

563
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: like we came all these new clothes. He's like, where

564
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: you get all these new clothes from? And I was like, oh, well, yeah,

565
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: we got it the record deal and huh what was that?

566
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: And then he was just like all right, I won

567
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: ten wow, ten thousand wow. I gave him ten rex like.

568
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: That just advance.

569
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 7: It is what it is, thousand dollars advances.

570
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: It was a little different at guessing. So anyway, so

571
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: between so basically after I left high school, I basically

572
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: became a beast. Like I basically became a beast. So

573
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: what happened was I just focused, focus, focused on getting

574
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: a record deal.

575
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: See that's weird now that I know the backstory. I

576
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: guess in your mind there's a backwards clock.

577
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: Yes, with I can't be the clock. That's exactly right now.

578
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking like wow, because every the thing is

579
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: you are the common denominator to every hip hop folk

580
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: lore story I've ever heard of classic New York clubs.

581
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember searching no No No, or or

582
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: a concert what Oh yeah, I remember a cool white

583
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: boy no No No. But in my head I was

584
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: just like, oh, well search was just like you know

585
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: socialite search, like he's just everywhere.

586
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: But now I know you it gets your deal. No,

587
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: it's definitely. It was definitely. The clock was ticking. And

588
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: so that weekend, what do you like the day she

589
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: hands you right, what happened? Tell my my guidance counselor.

590
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: I go back to school Monday and say, yo, I'm

591
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: not going to school and he's like whatever. Be And

592
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: then you know, I graduate and I just become a

593
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: beast and I have a meeting, like a meeting gets

594
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: set up for me at Profile Records with their head

595
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: of marketing named Steve plot Nikki and Steve plott Nicky.

596
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: His fame real name, yes I was. His claim to

597
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: fame was he created the Adidas deal with Leor for

598
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: run DMC like he was a big marketing guy and

599
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: he did retail and marketing for Profile. And I got

600
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 2: a meeting with him and I thought, this is it.

601
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 2: Like one meeting, I'm signed done and he tells me

602
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: I need to make a demo and I said great,

603
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: and he said bring it back when you make a demo. Great,

604
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: and I left that place. I left Profile, which was

605
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: on Broadway across from NYU and I literally called my

606
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: mom collect and said, oh, I just got a deal

607
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: I want signed to Profile Records. And I get on

608
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: the Long Island Railroad and there's these bad chicks from

609
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: Valley Stream that I've been kicking it too for a minute,

610
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 2: and they're all like in the train and they're coming

611
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 2: from the city and they're all giggly, and I'm like,

612
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: I'm feeling myself because I'm like, yo, I just got

613
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: a deal of Profile Records. I met Steve plot Nikki.

614
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: I'm in and they're like, we didn't even know you rhyme.

615
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: So I start rhyming off the top of my head

616
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: about all these bad chicks and what they look like

617
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: and what they got on. And I'm talking about the

618
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: conductor gets my ticket. I'm beefing about why the d

619
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: LR is always late, and all these people start coming

620
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: around me because I'm rhyming real loud because I'm feeling myself.

621
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, you know, and this bad Dominican chick

622
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: comes up to me. She goes, I talk to you

623
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: a second. I was like, you could talk to me

624
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 2: as long as you want, as long as you want.

625
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 2: She's like, you know, my name is Loridus and my

626
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 2: boyfriend is Grandma was Tony d from the Bad Boys,

627
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: and they had the biggest D expect the gadget like, right,

628
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 2: that was the record and forget about that over Roonica

629
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 2: was even bigger D. Right, Oh, Tony d Yes, Tony Dick. Right.

630
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 2: So I'm like, yo, set up a meeting. She's like, yeah,

631
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: but I got to be your manager. I'm like whatever,

632
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 2: be like, it's all good. So she gives me his

633
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: card and she goes, you know, give me your phone number.

634
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: I'll call you in a couple of weeks and I'll

635
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: set up a meeting. She scratches out his number, but

636
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: his name is there on the card, Anthony Dick and

637
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: an address. So I'm like, I ain't waiting two weeks

638
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: for this, bitch, Like, what are you talking about? I

639
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: go home. I called four one one. I said, hey,

640
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 2: can I get the number for Anthony Dick on Ccrest Boulevard, Brooklyn,

641
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: New York. And they're like yes, seven one and AP

642
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Calling hello,

643
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: grand is it Tony dd is mc search. I just

644
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: met Lordes. She told me you could sign me. He's like, man, look, man,

645
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: I can't really talk right now. We're going to like

646
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 2: Toronto for two weeks on tour. Call me in two weeks.

647
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, click next day, next day, next, I'm like,

648
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: two weeks to the day, ring, Oh, how is Toronto?

649
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: Tony is search again? You know when can I come? Oh? Man,

650
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: we're going on tour. Like yo, I'm gonna be going

651
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: for like a month. Tic tic tic tic tic tic

652
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 2: tic tick. Thirty days later, Tony, what up? Man? Search?

653
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 2: I did this for six months. For six months, he

654
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: would tell me not to call. Wait a month. I

655
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 2: would wait a month. I call. Finally, it's April. It's

656
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 2: April in nineteen eighty six. It's pouring rain, it's it's

657
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: the middle of the night. I'm like, you know what,

658
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: it's not thirty at nighte you know whatever. I'm just

659
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 2: gonna try him. Call on Hello, Tony Man, it's Search.

660
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 2: He's like, you know what, man, just come over. I'm

661
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: like what even. He's like, I got some people over,

662
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: but just come over. The car was acting funny and

663
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 2: I didn't think I would get it all the way

664
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 2: out there, so I called my best friend. I was

665
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: driving so I called my man. I'm like, Billy, you

666
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 2: gotta take me out to Seagate. He's like, yeah, it's

667
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 2: porn rain. I'm like, bro, this is my shot. Like,

668
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: you gotta take me out to Seagate. Like I gotta go.

669
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: So he drives me out and where he was in

670
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: Corney Island. If people know Seagate, if you don't, this

671
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: basically it's like the end of Corny Island is a

672
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: dead end. And then there's these fences that are like

673
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: ten feet high, these fences where like all the Italian

674
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: mafioso stay over there. And Tony was in his brownstone

675
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: right across from the projects, and there's these bad cars,

676
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: like in his parking lot is an eighty five Jaguar

677
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: x J sitting on Dayton's and there's like a ninety

678
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 2: eight Osmobile like Crispy, and there's a Cadillac. And I'm like, so,

679
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: I'm telling my man, Billy, like, yo, let's go inside.

680
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: And he's like, I ain't going in there, man, you

681
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: can go in there by yourself. I'm like, word, you

682
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: ain't gonna come in with me. He's like, nah, you

683
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: go in, go in. Knock on the door. Tony opens

684
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: the door. Yeah, I'm search whatever. I'm like, no, no, no,

685
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: it's me. I'm search. He's like, all right, come on in.

686
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: So it's this really thin hallway and it was dark

687
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 2: and it opened up to this living room and sitting

688
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 2: on the couch was Lord Treue from the Eternal Force,

689
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 2: who I knew from high school. Uh, Grandmaster D from Houdini,

690
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: jam Master Jay right, and they're just sitting there looking

691
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: at me. And Tony goes, let's go in the basement.

692
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 2: And it's this dark, like musty basement and I'm going

693
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: down these steps and I'm like, oh my god, like

694
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: three of the biggest DJs in the world are about

695
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 2: to jump me. This is awesome jump. So we go

696
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 2: down into this this musty, damp basement and he clicks

697
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: this light and it's this little lamp and it's a

698
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 2: little makeshift studio within a kai and a little studio

699
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 2: right there, and he sits me down and Tony sits

700
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: over me, and literally it was like jam Master j

701
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: D Taru and he says rat and I went, so

702
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: you think you rock well, got a snowball chance in

703
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 2: hell to catch the empty search because I will ring

704
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 2: your bell and soon you will tell them my record's

705
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: gonna sell because when I finished wrapping, home boys are

706
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: gonna yell you will be so excited at my five's

707
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: benic Night. And then all the party people have now

708
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 2: been sighted, say if you have my sight, keep rocking

709
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: all night and let the power of the party go

710
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: far and bright. My name is empty, said, and I

711
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 2: rhyme my ass off for like two minutes straight, spitting

712
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: by and I said, oh, and there's dead silence, dead son,

713
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: and I'm like this dead silence, and jam asked. Jay

714
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: leans back and he crosses his arms and he plits

715
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 2: his hands over his mouth, and he goes, fuck, if

716
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 2: white boys start rhyming like this, we're over yo. I

717
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: need you to come on tour with me with Davy DMX,

718
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: and I need you to open with Davy DMX and

719
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 2: me and all Benny and Grandma aster D. He's like, no, no, no, no, no,

720
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 2: I need you to write for Houdini. We got this

721
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: new album coming out and we need you to write.

722
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: And Tony D's like, nah, this is my artist. It's

723
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 2: my artist. You gotta talk to me. And I had

724
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: no paperwork none, so I'm like so like, I'm like

725
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: I made it and Tony hands me a contract and

726
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: I signed it. Wait, power of attorney, power of signature,

727
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: all of my royalties, all of my publishing everything. I

728
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: signed everything over because I was just open. How old

729
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 2: it is, open eighteen, I signed everything. I'm I tell

730
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 2: my mom, I got a fair deal. Like She's like,

731
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 2: we should have a lawyer look at it. I'm like, no,

732
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: he would never jerk me. Like took everything and I'm

733
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: just open. Like I'm in the house with the bad Boys.

734
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: They're talking about doing a new record. I'm helping in

735
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: writing for the Glamour Girls who had the answer records

736
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: of Over Veronica. And I'm meeting Sweet Tea, and I'm

737
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: meeting this one and that one. And I'm going into

738
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: the studio with Houdini and I'm writing be Yourself, and

739
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: I'm writing all these other records and be yourself. Yep,

740
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: you might find yourself by yourself. Mill Jackson, Millie Jackson.

741
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah wow. So I'm doing all this and I'm like,

742
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 2: and I'm not making a penny. I'm just excited. Like

743
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: I'm just excited. I'm going on tour and I'm doing shows.

744
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: He had a contract just there, yeah, just there, yeah,

745
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: just the straight Baller place.

746
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. It's exactly right. So I signed over

747
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: everything and and I'm doing eighty six. So we signed

748
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 2: a Warlock. I put out Melissa, which was a terrible record,

749
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: which is the first single I cannot find. I've scoured

750
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 2: the earth. I'll give you one. I'll give you one.

751
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 2: Thank you, you will. I don't want hurt or ever

752
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: play it, but I'll give you one. It's terrible, slick

753
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 2: wor it's bold cousin like, I am fucking horrendous, like

754
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: because that's what I was around for four years. So

755
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: I'm thinking. And it was terrible. It's a terrible record,

756
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: and was in an em search EMC search great nicer, No,

757
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: it's just me. It was Warlock Records. I was signed

758
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 2: to Adam Levey and Morris Leevy. All right, wow yeah yeah.

759
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: So I'm not making a lot of money, you know

760
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: with my record deal and I'm doing like little shows.

761
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: But I'm making your deal with what was like, did

762
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: you get advanced or anything? No? Nothing, It all went

763
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: to Tony D. So how are you living? So I'm

764
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 2: basically I'm working. I'm working two jobs. I'm driving Yeshiva

765
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 2: kids from Queen's to Farakaway to go to Yeshiva. Bill

766
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: just lit up. I bet they were paying that was

767
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: sugar Steve.

768
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 3: I'm just saying it sounds like Chess Records and reverse

769
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 3: what happened?

770
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 2: What happened almost almost famed. I laughed, Yo, Yeah, so yeah,

771
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 2: I was getting paid decent money and I was delivering

772
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: pizza and chicken, so like that's what I was doing. Wait, yeah,

773
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: kids could ever have ever baked chicken? And so I'm like,

774
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 2: I'm making but but what I was really making money

775
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: is my man understanding from Redfern projects. He was seeing that.

776
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 2: I was like, rhymen, but like he hated my record, Like,

777
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you this story. This is and I

778
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 2: know a certain DJ is gonna hate me for this,

779
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: but I love him and he's a OG, but it

780
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: is what it is. So nobody would play the record

781
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 2: except for Bill Blast and Van d C. They would

782
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: play the record and the Awesome Too would play the record.

783
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 2: But I was like, yo, we got to get this

784
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: record on Kiss FM. They got to get it on

785
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: Kiss FM, and Red Alert had a theory. It was

786
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 2: very simple. If he liked the record, he would play it.

787
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 2: If it's not. He'd say that's not hot, and he

788
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: wouldn't play it. So my record was not hot. He

789
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: was not playing it. But I heard we could get

790
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: to Chuck chill Out if we paid him. So we

791
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: go to see Chuck before he goes on the air,

792
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 2: and I'm in awe because it's Chuck chill Out and

793
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: it's kiss And I see Tony hand him the Melissa

794
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 2: record with two hundred dollars attached to the record. Instead

795
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 2: of seeing the logo, I see the bills, and Chuck

796
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 2: looks down at me and says, the only reason I'm

797
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: playing this piece of shit is because you paid me.

798
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: And I said thank you. I stuck my hand down.

799
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 2: I said thank you, thank you very much. I appreciate it.

800
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 2: He played that record for thirty six seconds and took

801
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: the ship off. Wow, not even the first It's horrific. No,

802
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: it wasn't. No record was horrific. Yeah, you don't believe

803
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 2: the show right now, don't. Oh my god, you search please.

804
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 2: I never knew that play the record. I love this

805
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 2: is only because I love you and you've done so

806
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: much for my family. Even well, look, I mean so

807
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: it's this song is thirty one years old. This is education.

808
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 2: It's just my age. We promise not to laugh. No,

809
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: you know, if you don't laugh, I'll be I'll be pissed.

810
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 2: This is laugh because you think its been terrible. It's

811
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 2: that terrible. But I'm one of them silver line motherfuckers.

812
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: Be like, well, I like the breakbeats. So all right,

813
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen. Is Melissa on Warlock Records, I'm c

814
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: search Grand Wizards, Tony d Yeah right here on quest

815
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: Lo Supre I cannot wait? Fuck mid that's the B side.

816
00:44:55,040 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 2: Oh she's not considered the pleasant, you know. That's the

817
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: B side.

818
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: Is playing like the depth se and that's you kind

819
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: of that's far for the chorus for eighty six. Yeah,

820
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: no that was that was not the wasn't winning again?

821
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: No not no, it didn't. But here's the thing, yes

822
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 2: it did. But because I had made such a stench

823
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: in the city, right, only a few people looked at

824
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 2: the B side, And one of the people that did

825
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 2: was a guy named Daddio from Sets of Sign. So

826
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: what Daddyo would do is say, Yo, Search, I want

827
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: you to come on tour with us with Stet and

828
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: then step would do a little bit of their show

829
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 2: and a little bit of their performance and Daddyo would

830
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 2: come out and goes, yo, I brought my son with me.

831
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: He's gonna come out and perform, and they would throw

832
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 2: on the record and I would come out due to

833
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: running Man, the crowd would go crazy, like, oh my god,

834
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 2: he's like crazy. Right, So that helped like build my

835
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 2: rep to get to my second single. But between eighty

836
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: five and like eighty seven, what really kind of got

837
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 2: my repout is that my man, understanding from Redfern knew

838
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 2: that I was dope off the top of my head,

839
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 2: like and I would battle anybody. So what he would

840
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: do is he would set up these battles in the

841
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: Five boroughs, like Vandermere Projects in Brooklyn, and he would

842
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: set up something in east Gate and like all of this,

843
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 2: and he'd be like, Yo, my man search want a battle,

844
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: and they'd be like, yo, put up a hundred, and

845
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: you know, these drug dealers be like that, you know,

846
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: fucking my man is dope. Like yeah, my man whatever,

847
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 2: it's dope, Like he's dope in the projects, right, He's like, yeah,

848
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: my man will crush him. And then they would see

849
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 2: me come off the subway like yeah, that's search and

850
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 2: I'm having the glasses and the mullet and they're like,

851
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: oh shit, two hundred, and I would I would get

852
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 2: an these ciphers and somebody would beat box and I

853
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: would always let the dude go first, and then I

854
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: would pick apart his verse in front of him and

855
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 2: spit his rms back at them and tell him how

856
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: wacky was because he said something and he really should

857
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: have said this when he meant this, and da da

858
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 2: da da da da da bake them, bake them like

859
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: and then everyone ooh right. So one time in the Bronx,

860
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: I'm at this battle and my man's dj inn and

861
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: it was like some serious money. I think it was

862
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: like two seventy five or something. This dude was putting up.

863
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: So we're battling, and I'm like, it's just it's this

864
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 2: Latin kid, like he's half Latin, half black, and I'm like,

865
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: I just went in. I don't know why. I think

866
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 2: I was like smoking weed or like, I just went

867
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 2: in and like I started talking about how it's sucking

868
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 2: his sister and like and I just remember this, and

869
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: this is the one thing I know. And then this

870
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: is the one thing I said. I remember this, and

871
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 2: I said, just realize a block Keto just smoked you up.

872
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 2: Don't say a word. This motherfucker is looking at me like, Man,

873
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 2: I'll fucking kill you.

874
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 7: I don't even know what that means.

875
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 2: Shut him out. So at the end of the party,

876
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: my man is asking me to break down his set.

877
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: I got this giant amp in my hand, you know,

878
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 2: like from eighty five, like the size of car trunk

879
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: right here. Pop and I see the amp and the

880
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 2: amp cracks in half, and I look up and it's

881
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: the Puerto Rican Kidney's aim in a thirty eight at me.

882
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: Oh so I'm like Brooklyn dip drop the ship. He

883
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: takes two more shots and dip out, run through the subway.

884
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 2: It's just it's just the word spread like the social

885
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: network news that like you can't battle this kid because

886
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 2: you're gonna want to kill them. No more project battles,

887
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 2: some more project battles after rest of all. Okay, that's

888
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 2: how it's making my money. Like I would make like

889
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: two three hundred a weekend because my man would split and.

890
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: There was nothing to you to just show up at

891
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: Marshy project, nothing, nothing, nothing, and it.

892
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 7: Never turned into you never had to put your hands

893
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 7: on anybody.

894
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: Even as gentrified as Brooklyn is now down today. I

895
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: don't even go into a bodega without clearing it first.

896
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 2: I just you know what, Look, I have some friends

897
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 2: who are real deep. And it's funny because even like

898
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: in the Latin Quarter, like fifty the original fifty cent

899
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 2: and a Rock and the Decepticons, and they always looked

900
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: out for me. Like I could go to Gates and

901
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 2: Green and like have no problem because they'd be like,

902
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 2: you know, no, I don't fuck with Search. That's fit

903
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 2: these men, like, don't fuck with them. Don't fuck with them.

904
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 2: And in Queen's like Tommy Mickens and like all those

905
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: kids fat Cat, like all those dudes that got locked

906
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 2: up for like one hundred years for like those were

907
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 2: my boys. Like those were like just my dudes, and

908
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 2: they'd be like, yo, Search, come over here, kick a

909
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 2: little kick, a little rum about this this this kid

910
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: over here. So freestyling was your redemption after Melissa. Not

911
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: only my redemption, but it's how I got my deal

912
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: at Death champ Wow, because Deve Funk and klimmeh he

913
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 2: Rest in Peace used to run the battle for World

914
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 2: supremacy for New Music Seminar and I had a second

915
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 2: single that came out on a label that my mother

916
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 2: started with Tony D called Idler's Records. She put your

917
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 2: mom owns Isler's. Well, she didn't own it. She put

918
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 2: up the money to for the first single, which was

919
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 2: hey boy.

920
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 7: Your mother went from not knowing what rap was to

921
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 7: investing in it.

922
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

923
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: She said, wait a minute, based on yeah, hey boy,

924
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: that was you? Yeah that was me, Yo, Lady B

925
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: played that so much.

926
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 2: That was you, that was me? And you know why

927
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 2: she played it. You know why she played it? Why

928
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 2: we did a party for her at a high school

929
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 2: in Philly. Me and Tony D went up there and

930
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 2: the crowd started boring me the second they saw me.

931
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: Uh huh. I mean I'm not talking about little Booze

932
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 2: right right. And I go to Tony, I'll go why

933
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 2: they booing me? And we already had this plan because

934
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 2: it happened before. So you always went in this situation

935
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: being underestimated always so. And you know who has the

936
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 2: tape of this is DJ cash Money or either TAT

937
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 2: or cash Money. One of them have the tape. They

938
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: have the tape of it. So I said, yo, why

939
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 2: they boring me? And he said, it's because you're white,

940
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 2: and I went, get the fuck out of here. If

941
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 2: anything else see a white boy on say somebody say why,

942
00:50:53,719 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 2: well the fuck up? Why say why? Motherfucker? I'll show you.

943
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: Can I play Hey Boy? Yes? Absolutely? Yo? I love

944
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 2: that record, Yo, Yo, I've never heard this.

945
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: This is the first time, dog, this is this is

946
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: my high school experiences, like listening to Lady B Street

947
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: Beat at like eleven thirty at nine on Power ninety nine,

948
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: and they used to always run this joint. Yo, this

949
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: EMC search hey Boy, I list record. I cannot believe that.

950
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: And the second record we put out was Jimbrowski the

951
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: Jungle Brothers.

952
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 1: That's why I know Idlers. Yes, that was like that's okay,

953
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: that's I'm mind blowing right now. All right, all right,

954
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 1: this is of course little Supreme. This is hey Boy

955
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 1: MC search.

956
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 2: B and he at a party stone Cold Inlands. Oh

957
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 2: go in my hand man.

958
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 9: You know that I was killing the bouncing on the wall.

959
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 9: He's having a ball. Went out and know where I

960
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 9: hear this call and that goes.

961
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 4: Up like.

962
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 10: People, the people people.

963
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 9: Well, it all started out and this one's showing. Now

964
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 9: these words follow me whatever I go from front and behind.

965
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 2: It blows my mind. Whoever this girl is.

966
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 9: Mash's being unconn in the US say or even overseas,

967
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 9: the damn girls from the OSH just to follow me.

968
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 9: She wants you taunts like a witch or a gona

969
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 9: sent all that I can do about it? When the

970
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 9: boss any and turn around and face his voice cold, invisible,

971
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 9: unstoppable and who sitch?

972
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 2: I noticeol, why don't you try to recruit I can't, Tony.

973
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 2: She got me.

974
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: Not for people, dude, like this, there's no feeling like

975
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 1: you know, the feeling, the feeling that I'll have when

976
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: we finally discover that ECM sample of Crooklyn Crookly, like

977
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: the relief of like I finally found out what this

978
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: sample was. There's like six what I thought were Philly

979
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: records that I've been searching for. I ever knew that

980
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: was MC search. I loved that record. Boy, it was

981
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: like the Wop classic.

982
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 2: Wait, it was absolutely That's exactly what I was thinking

983
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 2: about when I made that record, was like, I want

984
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 2: to do a record that I could wop to. You

985
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: could do the Wop? How old were you when you

986
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: made that? I was twenty nineteen twenty Okay, that was

987
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 2: eighty seven, eighty seven, eighty eighty seven, and mind you

988
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 2: like we had sold like seventy five thousand copies of

989
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 2: that single. I never saw a penny, you know, because

990
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 2: Tonyd owned everything. So I go to funking Clin he'd

991
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 2: seen me in the Latin Quarter and he says, Yo,

992
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 2: you know you should be a part of this battle.

993
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 2: I know you were on off top of your head.

994
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, cool, Like I'll show up, Yeah, no problem.

995
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 2: You know there was a battle. There was like sixty

996
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 2: four ms was crazy, and I battle this dude Ronan

997
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 2: Row from BMO this source. Yes, he's an MC first. Yeah,

998
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 2: he was signed to Select Records. On the record he

999
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 2: was a group called Big Men on Campus BMOC that

1000
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 2: was signed by Faith Newman, who started her career a

1001
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 2: single out. Yes, what year was it? Eighty seven? I

1002
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: think I had one of those records. So anyway, I

1003
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 2: slayed them like it was embarrassing, Like I slayed them

1004
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 2: like I just just talked now battles, Okay, now, so

1005
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 2: battles that the Battles and New Music Seminar were really

1006
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 2: cool because they threw on beats that producers made, so

1007
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 2: all these producers would just throw on beats or we

1008
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 2: would rhyme to like records that were hot, and we

1009
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,399
Speaker 2: were just and it was a countdown clock to ninety

1010
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 2: seconds and then you did what you did and you

1011
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 2: were done. So were real time battles or was it

1012
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 2: real time stuff in your head? No? Real time? Like

1013
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: I was off the top of the head, off the head,

1014
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 2: so everything was for me. It was I mean, the

1015
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 2: dudes I was battling wrote and that was my That

1016
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 2: was my claim to fame was that whatever they wrote,

1017
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 2: I'd be like, yo, why do you say that when

1018
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 2: you should have said it like this and da da

1019
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: da da dada. Now you get me pissed because blah

1020
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah and you should have da oh.

1021
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 2: I would rip people apart. So the finals were the

1022
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 2: next day at Webster Hall. It's top sixteen and the

1023
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 2: first battle I have is with this guy Raving Tea

1024
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: from the Mighty Dismasters. Ah love that record, and he's

1025
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 2: baking people with mama jokes, like he's doing like hip

1026
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: hop mama jokes. So this is the only time I

1027
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 2: wrote in that whole battle, I'm like, I gotta come

1028
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 2: up with some mama jokes like to like slam, And

1029
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 2: I set a couple of them in rhyme for them

1030
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 2: and they were terrible, and I lost my flow and

1031
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 2: I froze, and the crowd starts booing me, and I'm

1032
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 2: getting nervous, and then out of his pocket he pulls

1033
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 2: out a piece of paper to get ready, and I

1034
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 2: went oh, and I started pointing at the paper. I'm like, yo,

1035
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 2: that's how you say your rhyme's off a piece of paper.

1036
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 2: You know. Somebody out the crowd, come get me a

1037
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 2: way to so I could serve him a whole new

1038
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 2: plate of rhymes before he's done three to one. My

1039
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: job's done. Oh, slay them, Slay them A man you

1040
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 2: can't pull. Where are you are? You're naming? We wait?

1041
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 2: Wasn't Crazy down with the crew that did Veronica?

1042
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: No?

1043
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 2: You sure you're talking about Craigg from Dropping Signs, Craig G. Yes, No,

1044
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 2: from the bad Boys like Inspect the Gadget Bat. I thought, okay,

1045
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 2: I thought he was on that. Okay, okay it was

1046
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 2: mister Mac. I can't remember, but no, it wasn't Craig g.

1047
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: Okay, you're you're just naming like a slew of like

1048
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: New York MC's and crews that were on local labels that.

1049
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 2: Were just killing it had impact for like one single

1050
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 2: would never go to the never got to promise.

1051
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: Like Dismaster's small time Hustle, like if we if the

1052
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: Roots ever do their eventual cover album one day of

1053
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: like obscure Ship like that will be my solo joint.

1054
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: I think small time hustlers like the last rhyme I'm

1055
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: a Bike because I know no one don't know this ship.

1056
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 2: Like it was. It was just such a humorous, hell

1057
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 2: larryous song and what happened I don't know. It was

1058
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 2: about rhythm, like like after I beat him, I never

1059
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 2: saw him again. So I come off stage and miss

1060
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 2: the Magic is behind me, and he skied up and

1061
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 2: he's like, yo, white boy, give me the mic. I'm like, no,

1062
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 2: I'm about to go on. He's like, motherfucker, don't you

1063
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 2: know who I am? I'm missed the Magic. I'm like,

1064
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck who you are. Right now,

1065
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 2: I'm about to go on stage and they call me

1066
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,439
Speaker 2: and the dude douses me with a thing of water.

1067
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 2: So it was red Alert was a judge. It was

1068
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 2: the dude from Utfo who I'm also deed who went

1069
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 2: to rehab, not a gangle, no, not educated rapper. And

1070
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 2: somebody George Hinehosa from raps. Oh wow, they were they

1071
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 2: were the judges. And I was battling this dude Bango

1072
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 2: who was signed to Rap Syndicate, and I'm like, you

1073
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 2: know what, I'm not even gonna worry about this dude,

1074
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 2: I said, Yo, put the beat on. I gotta tell

1075
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 2: you all the story. And then I went on a

1076
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 2: diatribe about how mister Maddie was really missed the tragic

1077
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 2: and w b LS was really w b L Fest

1078
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 2: because you couldn't get records played unless you put money

1079
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: under the table, and dude snorts coke and I'm going

1080
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 2: on and I'm like, yo, I would never go to BLFS.

1081
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 2: I'd rather listen to Red Alert all day, just going yee.

1082
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: And you didn't feel no sort of because back then,

1083
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't you get bum rush for some ship? No?

1084
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 2: Not, because I had all my people with me. So

1085
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 2: again and I'm like, educated rap, I'm glad you're feeling better,

1086
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 2: and like, you know, like I just pointing everybody. Real

1087
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 2: time real time RAPS crowd goes crazy Bengo does this

1088
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 2: whole other verse about saving South Africa as something.

1089
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 11: Zama mosam peon, so let us speak so to the

1090
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 11: hundred who does that thing?

1091
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 2: So then I just take my name off the There

1092
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 2: was this big thing a fell car and I said,

1093
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 2: my name is Search. I'm about unity, not black or white.

1094
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 2: Don't want to have a hip hop community. And I'm

1095
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 2: just like going off the top of my head. And

1096
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 2: like in a crowd goes crazy crazy and I go

1097
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 2: backstage and they're about to do the voting and I

1098
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 2: feel somebody rubbing my shoulders and I turn around. It's

1099
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 2: Russell and he says, if anybody asks you, tell me

1100
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 2: you signed the Deaf Jam.

1101
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 10: Wow.

1102
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 2: And my mother and my father win the audience. Wait

1103
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 2: what club? It was the web Webster Hall, New Music Seminary,

1104
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 2: No No, No, the New Music Seminar Battle. So they

1105
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 2: came with me and I said, Mom, I think I

1106
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 2: just got a record deal, like ya da da da dah.

1107
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 2: But there were two problems to that. Problem Number one

1108
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 2: was Tony d Problem Number two was coordinating everything with

1109
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 2: Pete and getting that together because he thought I was

1110
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 2: a soloist, right, So now I have a real attorney

1111
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 2: go through the Tony d contract and there's a bubble

1112
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 2: already in the street, like, oh, search a sign and

1113
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 2: to death jam, search a sign of death Jam. So

1114
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 2: in the contract my lawyer finds it a clause that says,

1115
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 2: if you want release at the fourth year of the contract,

1116
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 2: you can at thirty days send a letter of release

1117
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 2: to a PO Box office in Brooklyn that I knew

1118
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 2: Tony never checked because that's where he sent all his bills.

1119
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: It was a really weird clause. It was an escape clause.

1120
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 2: Why would he provide that. I have no idea, Like

1121
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 2: I said, I think it was a boiler play contract.

1122
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 2: And he didn't even really read it. So before I

1123
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 2: started negotiating with Russell, we sent them the exit clause.

1124
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 2: I had to wait six months and I sent him

1125
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 2: the exit clause and I sent it to that PO

1126
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 2: Box office and I sent it and I was out

1127
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 2: of the contract. But when I did that, I also

1128
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 2: when I did that, and when I did that, I

1129
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 2: also relinquished all the rights to Jambrowski, all the rights

1130
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 2: to Hey Boy. And that next month Red Alert did

1131
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 2: that nine hundred thousand dollars deal with the Jungle Brothers

1132
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 2: to Warner Brothers. So I lost all that money to

1133
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 2: that deal because I was a partner in Idler, so

1134
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 2: I had to give I had to walk away from that.

1135
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 2: So they it was eight hundred and seventy five thousands.

1136
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 2: So I'm sorry that for done by the forces, done

1137
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 2: by the forces of nature. So did you always think

1138
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 2: you were going to get the money? And the first no,

1139
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 2: I knew. My lawyer told me if he if they

1140
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 2: ever went and sold the Masters, that I would never

1141
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 2: get the money because this basically relinquished me from all rights.

1142
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 2: So I knew it was just like it was a

1143
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 2: rast wash. It was a wash. So it was like

1144
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 2: freedom for a wash. You know. I looked at my

1145
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 2: career the first half of my career as these are

1146
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 2: the dues I will pay to get to blank. You know.

1147
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 2: I always thought that in the twenties you learn. At

1148
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 2: the thirties you churn, so you sift out, and then

1149
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 2: the forties you earn ye, and then sixties and then

1150
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 2: the fifties on you return, so you pay back. So

1151
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 2: that's how like I kind of always looked at my

1152
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 2: life and I always kind of because of that plan.

1153
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 2: I always said, Okay, I'm gonna be here when I'm thirty,

1154
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be here when I'm forty. I'm gonna be

1155
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 2: here when I'm fifty. Like I always kind of try

1156
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 2: to map out my life and try to follow it.

1157
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 2: And of course it didn't always I thought it would,

1158
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 2: but it was close. Like I said, Okay, I'm gonna

1159
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 2: be an executive producer of a record in ninety four,

1160
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 2: and then you know, NOAs came out and I'm gonna

1161
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 2: sign a production deal with Warner Brothers in ninety six,

1162
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 2: and then I did nonfiction.

1163
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: So repeat this mantra one more time, and it's twenty

1164
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: as you learn in the thirties turn so you.

1165
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 2: Forties you earned in the fifties, you were returned, get back.

1166
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 2: I was just making sure no one burned or anything, right, No,

1167
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 2: no learning learning is there's there's burning and learning. Like

1168
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 2: you have to sometimes give up things to learn. Things

1169
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 2: you also have to lose to learn. Those are the

1170
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 2: valuable lessons. Like look, when the Roots got signed, you

1171
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 2: were like it was a demo of you guys playing overseas,

1172
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 2: Like it was like you know what I'm saying, Like

1173
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 2: when you did your deal with when the Goldstein, there

1174
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 2: was no even knowledge of the roots in the US.

1175
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So like whatever deal you made,

1176
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 2: that was, that was your learning period, that was your

1177
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 2: learning curve. It was and if it wasn't for those records,

1178
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 2: if it wasn't for those first two albums, you would

1179
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 2: not have established yourself the way you did. And then

1180
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 2: the rest of it was churning, so sifting through people,

1181
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 2: and thank goodness you found Richard in your life. May

1182
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 2: you rest in peace. And then you had all of that,

1183
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 2: and now is your earning period and you deserve that,

1184
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 2: and then you will return that and you you know,

1185
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 2: so I'm saying, like, that's just I'm not returning money.

1186
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 7: It's not about me. He just means return to the

1187
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 7: world where my money, to make sure you heard searched

1188
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 7: what he said. But then you will return it. We

1189
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 7: talk about this a lot on this show.

1190
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 2: So I just we have a lot of people being

1191
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 2: here is returning so anyway, but to get back. So

1192
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 2: the deaf Jam deal kind of comes through and Leore,

1193
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 2: who's now managing Rush thinks still thinks I'm a soloist.

1194
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 2: So I'm doing records on the side with Sam sever

1195
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 2: I'm doing a demo as a soloist because that's you know,

1196
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 2: Dante Ross is now involved because he's you know, my

1197
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 2: boy signed a rush, and like, you know, it's a

1198
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 2: whole different paradigm shift of who I'm dealing with. Like

1199
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 2: Lyyor knew me because he'd seen me perform with jam

1200
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 2: Master J, and jam Master JA introduced me to you know,

1201
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 2: it was just like this whole connection of this insulated

1202
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 2: people that I grew up around over the last three

1203
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 2: years in hip.

1204
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 4: Hop, I want to I wanted to ask you about man,

1205
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 4: talk about him because he was just a guy I

1206
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 4: always thought, never got the credit.

1207
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, You're absolutely right. Sam started his career

1208
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 2: doing beats with Mantronics, all the early sleeping bag stuff,

1209
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 2: even like Hungry for Your Love, and then Hanson and

1210
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 2: David Hung was Sam seven did the percussion, He did

1211
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 2: the beats, So wait, what was he doing for Mantronics?

1212
01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 2: He was doing the beats? Is the crew? So yeah,

1213
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 2: him and him and wait a minute, so Sam his

1214
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 2: career four beats with Sam, Sam and Mantronics together. Yeah,

1215
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 2: so all of that stuff, Hungry for You Love, Joyce,

1216
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 2: Sim's Colonel and Curl and Abrams all of that, and

1217
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 2: then he did the beats for Tougher than Leather and

1218
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 2: that's how he got connected into Rush and Deaf Cham

1219
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 2: and all of that. Really. Yeah, so Dante and Sam

1220
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 2: were best friends. They used to do graffiti together. Sam

1221
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 2: used to write sever and Dante Ross used to write system,

1222
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 2: so they used to do graffiti all the time. And

1223
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 2: Dante was like, Yo, you got to hook up man, Sam.

1224
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 2: Sam will work on your demo for Deaf Jam. Right,

1225
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 2: So I'm going I'm doing these records and I'm gonna

1226
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 2: keep it one hundred with you. Like I was happy

1227
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 2: with them because I would love being in Chunk King

1228
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 2: and I love being the studio with Sam. And we

1229
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 2: would go to Sam's he I mean he lived right

1230
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 2: around the corner and Canal, Like we would be in

1231
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 2: his apartment, He'd have his sp'd have his Acai. We

1232
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 2: would demo, demo, demo, and then we go into studio

1233
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 2: and then spend twelve, fourteen to fifteen hours in the

1234
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 2: studio like sandwiches, smoke weed and stay up all night

1235
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 2: and like be in a studio and Kevin Reynolds, who

1236
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 2: was our engineer at the time. It was just fun,

1237
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 2: but there was something that was like missing for me, like,

1238
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 2: and I know you feel this and fun, I know

1239
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 2: you can relate to this. The Jews can't, but I

1240
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 2: know you can't. You know when you make a record

1241
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 2: and there's that thing in the back of your neck

1242
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 2: that's like not right, suspect, like yeah, loved it when

1243
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 2: I said it, played it back, skeptical suspect, but maybe right,

1244
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 2: and nobody will notice, but they always do. They always notice,

1245
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 2: Like that's how I felt about my demo. I'm like, eh, skeptical,

1246
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 2: little suspect topic, but as maybe I'm just being over critical.

1247
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 2: And sure enough, Leon and Russell decide that the guy

1248
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 2: who created their deal at Deaf Jamm at Columbia, guy

1249
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 2: named Steve Rabowski who went to A and M and

1250
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 2: was the president at A and M. He was looking

1251
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 2: for two soloists. There was a kid in Euston named Raheem,

1252
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 2: and there was a kid in New York named mc search,

1253
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 2: and he was gonna sign one of us. So Steve

1254
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 2: Rabowski is being lined up like Lear's like, Yo, you

1255
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 2: gotta sign this kid Search. He's incredible. So he's flying

1256
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 2: out to see me, And that same night Dante calls

1257
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 2: Sam and says, Yo, there's this dude, a friend of

1258
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 2: mine who I played ball with. He's stuck in the studio.

1259
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 2: Clark Kent was supposed to meet him. He fronted on him,

1260
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 2: He's got all this money lined into doing this demo, Like,

1261
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 2: can you, Sam, can you go over there and help them?

1262
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 2: And Sam goes to Chunk King and it turned out

1263
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 2: to be this kid named Pete Nice and Pete Nice

1264
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 2: was working on this record that he had this sample

1265
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 2: from some alternative band Okay. And the next day in

1266
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 2: the morning, Sam calls me. He's like, yo, dude, you

1267
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 2: need to come meet this dude. I'm like who. He's like,

1268
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 2: Pete Nice. I'm like, I know Pete. Like he's managed

1269
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 2: by Lamumba Carson, Like I know Pete. Yeah. So I

1270
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 2: go to Sam's house and there's Pete and they play.

1271
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 2: They're like, yo, I got this sample. It's from this

1272
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 2: band Depeche Mode. Sam's like, yo, I freaked the sample.

1273
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 2: I added the drums and I hear brown brown bam

1274
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 2: brown bam brom brown brown brown brown. Damn dun damn

1275
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:27,639
Speaker 2: dawn durn damn. Don't darn hard at hard as Chinese

1276
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 2: arithmetic avant garda not a heredic stick out a ride

1277
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 2: around picking in my cranium. Pete nice elementary like uranium,

1278
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, oh shit, I'm like, yo, I

1279
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 2: got a verse. We go back to the lab, so

1280
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 2: where's it was? No original? We go back to the lab.

1281
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 2: We go chunk king. I drop my verse literally in

1282
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 2: three takes. Then Pete does another verse and I do

1283
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 2: another verse, and in the same breath we do triple

1284
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 2: stage darkness, and we do one other record like in

1285
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 2: a matter of hours. It's like Anna arranged marriage, Like no, no, no,

1286
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 2: you know each other's last names. No, we did, We

1287
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 2: didn't know we know each other. Look, I'm gonna keep

1288
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 2: it like one hundred. Like I used to like laugh

1289
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 2: at Pete when he used to try to get in

1290
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 2: a Latin quarter, like he'd be like, yo, sir, took

1291
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 2: me up. And I'm like okay, pal, and I just

1292
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 2: keep it moving. And now here he is and he's

1293
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 2: like kind of a competitor of mine on rush and

1294
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 2: I'm like huh, you know, and I'm like, all right,

1295
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 2: let's just form a group. And Sam's like I'm gonna

1296
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 2: be the DJ and we'll be three to hard way.

1297
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 2: So prior to the recording, you and Pete, y'all knew

1298
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 2: of each other, but didn't know each other. Didn't know

1299
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 2: each other.

1300
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 1: Wow, So wait, can I ask something? Sure, you remember

1301
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 1: the first time you ever heard terminator X peak?

1302
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, And it's like.

1303
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 1: Right, because of Pete's tough exterior, Like was he really

1304
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: a do we even a geek?

1305
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 2: No? It wasn't that. He just had a lot of

1306
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 2: like because he played balls. He's very shorm pinish. He's

1307
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 2: very short pinish. That's a very very good way to say.

1308
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 2: He had a lot of Yeah, he had a lot

1309
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 2: of swag with m okay or a lot of flavor. Okay,

1310
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 2: a lot of flavor with him, Spunky, I felt you

1311
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 2: had the flavor and he was this really tough man.

1312
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 2: What transpired was I was like the street kid and

1313
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 2: he was like cleaned up and he had like the

1314
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 2: esoteric versus. But I always connected to the street dudes,

1315
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, and that's kind of

1316
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 2: how we were always perceived, Like he was in a

1317
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 2: suit and tie and in a cane, and I was

1318
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 2: always like minister. Yeah. So Steve Rabowski comes to Chunk

1319
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 2: King and me, Sam and Peter sitting there and this

1320
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 2: other dude that used to do A and R who

1321
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 2: wound up doing stuff for like Slayer. A guy named

1322
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 2: Scott Koonig is with Steve and he's like, yo, so Search,

1323
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 2: tell me about yourself and I'm like, yeah, but it's

1324
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 2: not Search anymore. It's this group called three the Hard Way.

1325
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 2: Check it out and we play him words a wisdom dumping,

1326
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 2: play him, triple stage darkness dumping, play him, prop of

1327
01:10:56,120 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 2: the environment, dump him. He's like, ah, I don't get

1328
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 2: the group thing. It's too much like the Beasties. And

1329
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, Beasties. Like I said, we got credibility

1330
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 2: in the street. He's like, Eh, let me think about it.

1331
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 2: So I'm like, okay, you know, go think about it.

1332
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 2: An hour later we're in the studio. An hour later,

1333
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 2: John King, who owns Chunk King, goes Leor just cut

1334
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 2: all your funding. You're all fucking kicked out of the session.

1335
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 2: You're all You're all done, get out, Get out now.

1336
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 2: I go to rush. Leor is fuming like, Yo, you

1337
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 2: had a fucking deal, you fucking cocksucker. You had a

1338
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 2: fucking deal. I gave you a fucking deal. You fucked

1339
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 2: up the deal with these two fuck cards. I don't

1340
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 2: even know who the fuck they are. And I'm like, wait,

1341
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 2: he's not signed to Rush. Fuck no, I don't know him,

1342
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 2: you fucking asshole. Get that right, Because Johntay and Sam

1343
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 2: had made it seem like Pete was also signed to Rush.

1344
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 2: He wasn't. He wasn't signed to Rush.

1345
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:56,839
Speaker 3: He wasn't.

1346
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 2: Up. Sorry, so I'll never forget. My mom was like, well,

1347
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 2: I heard about this thing called hype man. Can like, peep,

1348
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 2: be your hype man and you'll be empty Search and

1349
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 2: it'll be featuring Pete Nice and you'll their knowledge. Right,

1350
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know where a group that's It's just

1351
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 2: the way it is. And basically they kicked us to

1352
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,839
Speaker 2: the curb. And it wasn't until that battle that Russell

1353
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 2: came back and was like, Yo, if anybody asked, you

1354
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 2: signed the Deaf Jam And that's how the circle kind

1355
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 2: of developed itself. So yeah, so when when Rust came back,

1356
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 2: that was after correct they kicked on.

1357
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: If you're just joining us, uh, we're chatting with mc

1358
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 1: search and his many many, many, many many tales the

1359
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: Great Adventures of.

1360
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 2: Em listened to get on the road.

1361
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't even get to the first single all right,

1362
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 1: you kind of you kind of passed a period that

1363
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: every guest that's been on this show has gone through.

1364
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,679
Speaker 2: You gotta give us a Latin Quarter story. I have thousands.

1365
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 2: Give us your best three story. The best three number

1366
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:13,640
Speaker 2: one for me of all time was Scylar Rock May

1367
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:19,600
Speaker 2: Rest in Peace, krs and Melle Mel. Yes, so have

1368
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 2: you heard the story?

1369
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 1: So the pushups Q tip has told this story that

1370
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 1: he was there. Okay, all right, so that's a legendary

1371
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,719
Speaker 1: when we've heard what was Mel's role.

1372
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 2: In the Latin Quarter. Mel's role was he was the Heckler. No,

1373
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 2: not a heckler. He was like Waller. Yeah, yeah, he's

1374
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:42,799
Speaker 2: the elder Statesman. You know, there was this this strange

1375
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:47,640
Speaker 2: paradigm around eighty six eighty seven that was more like

1376
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 2: there was the Old Guard. So you had Pheelis Forward

1377
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 2: Problems of the World Today, and you had Mel and

1378
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 2: Graham Haster Flash, and then you had you know, you

1379
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 2: had Tela Rock, and you had all these great and

1380
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 2: you know, Treacherous three and you had all of that

1381
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 2: and then so they were still coming to the Latin Quarter. Yeah,

1382
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 2: they were all like busy Bee. For sure, Busy b

1383
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 2: would do his routines.

1384
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: A bomb to the Bombed one of the first hip

1385
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: hop club to come to Manhattan.

1386
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 2: Yes, and was that a big deal? Yes, it was

1387
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 2: a huge deal. It started with Celebrity Tuesdays. The Awesome

1388
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:23,599
Speaker 2: Two would have a showcase called Celebrity Tuesdays. They had

1389
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 2: the Real like their show was like a big show

1390
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 2: in New York, their radio show. So they would have

1391
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 2: like celebrities come out. And then Paradise and Lamumba got

1392
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 2: together and started promoting Thursday, Friday and Saturday at the

1393
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 2: Latin Quarter. And basically what would happen is all the

1394
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:41,679
Speaker 2: yardis would come out like they would do after hours party,

1395
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 2: I mean after work party, and then we would go in,

1396
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So the yardis like Thursday, Friday, Saturday,

1397
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 2: and then Fat Raoul would be DJ. Rowl would be

1398
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:52,640
Speaker 2: the house DJ, and then we would come in and

1399
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 2: then it would be the hip hop night, you know

1400
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 2: what I mean.

1401
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 1: And now, now how were the owners with this or

1402
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:00,120
Speaker 1: was it just like so the owners were it was

1403
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 1: like Timberland, like, ah, okay, blacks here, so we might

1404
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 1: as well just.

1405
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 2: Just fucking accept it. And so yeah, yeah, no, Mike Oldberg,

1406
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,679
Speaker 2: it was weird because Mike Oldberg, who is still alive

1407
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 2: and still lives in the city and own the Latin

1408
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 2: Quarter from the thirties and it's funny, you want to

1409
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 2: hear them crazy my mother performed at the Latin Quarter

1410
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 2: Crazy nineteen thirty eight. So he always knew that there

1411
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 2: was this vibe in this energy around this music, and

1412
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 2: his only concern was to keep people safe and to

1413
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 2: make money, like that's all he cared about, Like he

1414
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 2: didn't want anybody getting hurt and he just wanted to

1415
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 2: get paid, like that was no. But every night, like

1416
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:40,839
Speaker 2: somebody got hurt, Like every night, it was like ridiculous.

1417
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 1: So you would go there knowing because the thing I

1418
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 1: can't understand is the fact that everyone that gives a

1419
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 1: Latin Quarter story really is sort of bypassing the risk

1420
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:52,599
Speaker 1: factor involved.

1421
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 2: It was incredible risk, so but you didn't really so

1422
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 2: you still felt like, oh, the energy was incredible, the

1423
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 2: injury was incredible, and Yo, there were so many great records,

1424
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 2: so many artists like Fresh Force, like they had a

1425
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 2: great record, She's a skeezer, and then all of a

1426
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 2: sudden they become kid in Play and I'm like, wow,

1427
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 2: that's that's like I remember Fresh Force, and then I

1428
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:15,759
Speaker 2: would see this group that did a crazy ass record

1429
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 2: Corny called I Like Cherries because cherries taste better, and

1430
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 2: Grapes of Sour and then a year letter they're the

1431
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 2: Audio two and they do you know, top Billin and

1432
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 2: you know supernatural mcs. All of a sudden they become

1433
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 2: salt and pepper like it was all of this amalgam.

1434
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 2: Like I saw Public Enemy performed through their first show

1435
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 2: and get booed the fuck off stage. Yeah, can you

1436
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 2: describe that because no one has the definitive? Okay, so

1437
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 2: they def jam booked like an album release party for

1438
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 2: a public animals yo bummers. So yes, it was a

1439
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 2: Thursday night right, kind of half empty, a lot of

1440
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 2: industry types whatever, a lot of magazine people checking them out,

1441
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 2: and then the typical crowd that was in there, like

1442
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 2: you know fifty and Decepticons and Violators and like all

1443
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 2: the you know, five Borough kids and they come on

1444
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 2: with my nine gear o'smobile and all you hear is

1445
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:12,680
Speaker 2: like boom and flavors dancing around and oh boom. I

1446
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 2: mean it was horrific. Really, it sounded terrible and they

1447
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,640
Speaker 2: did one song and what people they did you're going

1448
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 2: to get you us? Yeah? They didn't go over wow No,

1449
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,560
Speaker 2: And literally Russell was like pulling them off stage. And

1450
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 2: what people don't realize is the Latin Quarter stage, even

1451
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 2: though it's ten feet high, was maybe only six feet wide,

1452
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 2: so you really didn't have a lot of movements. So

1453
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:32,560
Speaker 2: the s ones are trying to move around and it

1454
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 2: was just it was just it was not good. And

1455
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 2: then a year later so there really and it became

1456
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 2: literally like that became the song, Like what was the

1457
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 2: song that you had the rhythm of the rebel without

1458
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 2: a pause? I'm that was the club though. That was

1459
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:59,599
Speaker 2: Tuck your Chain. B For about three months that record

1460
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 2: came on. Then you just danced your ass off touching chaining. No,

1461
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 2: you just danced your ass off, and that record became

1462
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 2: the biggest record in New York and the hypeist record

1463
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 2: in New York. And month four it was tuck your

1464
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 2: chain and get off the fucking dance floor. And the

1465
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,759
Speaker 2: kids who were Nujacks to Latin Quarter, they got robbed

1466
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:17,560
Speaker 2: because all the other kids I owe you dances and

1467
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 2: all that. We were already on the side. We were

1468
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 2: just watching the girls violated like they would just be

1469
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 2: like pip off. Yeah, that became that became the record

1470
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:33,719
Speaker 2: that like you just that you knew there was also

1471
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 2: ultra magnetic mcs. Here we go off the off the floor,

1472
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 2: off the floor. So when you hear these gunshots not

1473
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 2: gunshots of.

1474
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 7: Oh my god, sirs, you got so many Disney moments.

1475
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 1: Lord, having see in my mind Rebel without a pause

1476
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 1: was like like you were too young? How old were

1477
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 1: you in nineteen eighty seven?

1478
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 2: Eight?

1479
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 1: So I mean you might did you order did you

1480
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 1: took it down economics? Like, yeah, I had got I

1481
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 1: had bone Rusher show. My aunt at the time. I

1482
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 1: guess she was like, no, no, no, no, it wasn't her.

1483
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 1: My aunt was straight like black yuppie Phillis Timond like.

1484
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 4: She was record oh man straight, go Huggins baby, So

1485
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 4: yeah she was that. But my aunt she had I

1486
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 4: guess it was a guy she was dating at the time.

1487
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: He had the Public Enemy tape and she had it

1488
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 1: in her She had a little box she would take

1489
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 1: the t school. She was a school teacher, and so

1490
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: she had a little radio that she would take to

1491
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,640
Speaker 1: school with her. And I'm shattered in the trunk and

1492
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 1: there was a copy of Nation of millions in the

1493
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 1: in the radio and I just played it and I

1494
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 1: was like, what the fuck is this?

1495
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 2: And I just played it over and over and over.

1496
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 2: Nation of Millions was really a year after like Yo

1497
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 2: Russia show correcked, But people did a rewind because as

1498
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 2: soon as Rebel came out and Nations came out, all

1499
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 2: of a sudden, Yo comes out and I mean they

1500
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 2: come back to it and it's like, oh, oh is

1501
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:10,720
Speaker 2: Jenius right right? This is crap, right, this is how

1502
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 2: did we sleep on this? So it was really one

1503
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 2: of these things where the Latin Quarter was really about

1504
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 2: the true energy of New York. So it was about

1505
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 2: music getting broke. It was literally the information super Highway

1506
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 2: because the five boroughs went in that building, even Connecticut,

1507
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 2: even some kids from like Rhode Island every once in

1508
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 2: a while, kids from Philly and DC, like you know

1509
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 2: what I mean. Like it was so if you ripped

1510
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 2: on that stage, within two days, everybody knew you would

1511
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 2: get a call from me, like your untie and like

1512
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 2: Allentown and like my aunt Caroll would call me and go,

1513
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 2: I heard you had a good show at the Latin

1514
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 2: Quarter the other night. My student bleaz A Spleet I

1515
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 2: mean it was like the Information super Highway. So it

1516
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 2: was really like the center. The nucleus of New York

1517
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 2: music for four years was the Latin Quarter. And then

1518
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 2: were offshoots, like you know, you had the rooftop on

1519
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty fifth like that was cool, and

1520
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 2: you had Union Square and that was cool, you know,

1521
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 2: and you had little things like that, like you Square

1522
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 2: was a club. Union Square, was it? No one ever

1523
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 2: talked about Union Square? Yeah, right right?

1524
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 7: No.

1525
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 2: Union Square had had a really cool vibe. Clark Kent

1526
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:24,599
Speaker 2: was the DJ, the first Fresh Prince Jazz Jeff, Yeah,

1527
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 2: and that was that was the first time I ever

1528
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 2: saw Jazz Jeff do the Bluebird scratch? Right was that

1529
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,799
Speaker 2: at Union Square? Wow? In fact, I have a signed

1530
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:39,720
Speaker 2: Fresh Prince Jazzy Jeff record from Pop Art Parents man

1531
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 2: really yeah, Jesus before they signed to Jive and all

1532
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 2: of that. So there were definitely pockets, but then there

1533
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 2: were underground pockets. So you had the world downtown and

1534
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 2: like Iced Tea and Ron Syndicate, like that's where Ice

1535
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:55,640
Speaker 2: Tea got to start in New York with six in

1536
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 2: the morning like that that popped off in the world

1537
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 2: like that was and Russell would be a the world

1538
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 2: and then you'd go at four o'clock in the morning

1539
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 2: to save the robot across the street and then save

1540
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 2: the robot was like underground reggae and like really dark,

1541
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 2: deep dark like rap records like JVC Force Strong Island,

1542
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 2: like you would hear it there, like you know what

1543
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 2: I mean. Or you would go uptown to the SNS

1544
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty fifth in Lenox and Star Child

1545
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 2: would be in there and he'd be playing like unreleased shit,

1546
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And you'd be eating breakfast

1547
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 2: at like eleven o'clock in the morning after partying all

1548
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 2: night and dude shooting dice and like you'd leave it

1549
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 2: like twelve noon, you know what I'm saying, like, and

1550
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 2: you would be you. And that was the rotation. That

1551
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 2: was a rotation four years Like that was the rotation.

1552
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 2: Eleven eleven two or ten two one at the Latin Quarter,

1553
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 2: one to two at Union Square, two to three thirty

1554
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:47,560
Speaker 2: at the Rooftop, three thirty to eight thirty in the

1555
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 2: morning at SNS, you go get breakfast and then you'd

1556
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 2: head home.

1557
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm gonna take this time. I see how

1558
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:55,719
Speaker 1: cocaine got popular.

1559
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 7: Yeah right, I'm tireless.

1560
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take this time to segue into what I

1561
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 1: feel is your greatest story of all time. Because I

1562
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 1: was shocked that he gave a performance at the Latin Quarter.

1563
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:16,719
Speaker 1: But now that I think about it, at least according

1564
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 1: to at least according to Dante, Now am I to

1565
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 1: believed that Hammer performed at the Latin Quarter and it

1566
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 1: wasn't too novel or I get the film that Hammer

1567
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 1: did the new Music seminar and it didn't go over.

1568
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 2: Well, that's correct, but it wasn't the Latin Quarter. It was.

1569
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 2: It wasn't Latin Quarter. It was I don't I don't remember,

1570
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 2: but it wasn't Latin Quarter. But here's the thing with Hammer.

1571
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 2: So and I'll get to that too. So I used

1572
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 2: to go on the road. I was basically Houdini's valet.

1573
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 2: I used to like iron their clothes, and like I

1574
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 2: used to have like a list of girls that like

1575
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 2: in San Francisco, this girl can't meet this girl, and

1576
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 2: Grandmaster he has this girl over here, and ecstasy and

1577
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 2: like you know, like I used to you know all

1578
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 2: of that. So they take me out to a celebrity

1579
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:09,679
Speaker 2: basketball game and there's this new rapper in Oakland named

1580
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 2: Hammer who's doing this thing right, and all my boys

1581
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 2: are telling me, yo, you should battle him. He thinks

1582
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 2: he can dance, like you should battle him. You should

1583
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 2: battle him, right. So he pulls up in this white

1584
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 2: Cadillac and I'm like, yo, man, let's battle. He's like,

1585
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 2: who the fuck is that's how you say hello? Yeah,

1586
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 2: that's exactly how Like I'm just balls in New Yorker

1587
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 2: like fuck you. I don't care where you're from. I'm

1588
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:31,680
Speaker 2: from New York and what. So I'm like, yo, I

1589
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:34,640
Speaker 2: heard you could dance. Let's battle and he's like fuck you.

1590
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, fuck me, b come on, come out the call,

1591
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:42,560
Speaker 2: let's battle, right. He takes off. I'm like, ah, that

1592
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 2: kid's a pussy like whatever, right right, So we segue

1593
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 2: into like the new Music seminar. He gets booed like

1594
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 2: it's not gonna happen for him. Ya da da da da,

1595
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,640
Speaker 2: and then he does that hole, yo, you hit New York, right,

1596
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:00,080
Speaker 2: And then that's a disc to run DMC. What just

1597
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:03,880
Speaker 2: don't do it's sacriligious, it's just you don't And the Beginning.

1598
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 4: Music Center, No, they didn't. Some new just saw new

1599
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 4: York was New York, wasn't trying to hear him, okay,

1600
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 4: and that was a particular disc to run.

1601
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's that's what we all felt. We all

1602
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 2: felt that way, whether that's in the video was like

1603
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 2: the extras that he's this right, are dressed like exactly right.

1604
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 2: But they didn't dis in per se. No, they didn't

1605
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 2: say he never said f run DMC and Master Jay.

1606
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 2: It just happened to be that they were in a

1607
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 2: dida suits with hats on, looking real.

1608
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 1: So on on a quiminized chunky fire when they played

1609
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 1: that Source clip at the end with you, we just

1610
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:44,559
Speaker 1: want to say the South got something to say.

1611
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 2: I kind of had.

1612
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 1: I kind of got Big Boy to admit a little

1613
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 1: bit that they felt some sort of way about all

1614
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 1: East Coast rappers because we really weren't yelling with outcasts all.

1615
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:56,719
Speaker 2: That much in the beginning.

1616
01:25:57,479 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 1: No, I mean, we're cool shit now, but like in

1617
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 1: the beginning, they had a chip on his shoulders because

1618
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 1: they just assumed that anyone who was at the Source

1619
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: Awards booing them as they got best new artists was

1620
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 1: like a part of it.

1621
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 2: So obviously you're with there, so you know, like right,

1622
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 2: so you know this is like a general blanket thing.

1623
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 2: So now just and for me, for jam Master j

1624
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 2: to be the one in that room in that basement

1625
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:24,600
Speaker 2: in Cgate in nineteen eighty five to co sign me

1626
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:26,559
Speaker 2: and tell me like, yo, meet us at the bus

1627
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 2: outside of Hollis Ave and like get on the bus

1628
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:31,720
Speaker 2: with Rounnie Ray and all of us and open with

1629
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 2: Davy DMX and do what you do and him giving

1630
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 2: me like great advice on how to rhyme and ron

1631
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 2: flowing and hanging out with Joey and DMC and just

1632
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 2: and being a part of that. Like my biggest mistake

1633
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 2: is I loved hip hop so much I felt I

1634
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 2: had to protect it at all costs. Like I really

1635
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:51,679
Speaker 2: thought it was my job savior. No, not the same captain.

1636
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 2: I felt like I was the night at the roundtable

1637
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 2: who was the defender of the culture because it had

1638
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 2: given me so much, like it had given me, the

1639
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 2: streets had given me so much, The Quarter gave me

1640
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 2: so much. Like there were so many times that fifty

1641
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 2: was like your search back out, We're about to stick

1642
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:11,639
Speaker 2: this whole place up, like get out, Like these dudes

1643
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 2: were looking out for me. So it's like this motherfucker

1644
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:17,599
Speaker 2: from Oakland, the fuck you doing? You're whack. Your ship

1645
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 2: is whack. Period. It wasn't like, you know, f you

1646
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 2: as a human being, but it was like, you're a

1647
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:25,400
Speaker 2: whack MC, You're whack.

1648
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 1: I think you're the first person I ever heard call

1649
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 1: out someone's credibility.

1650
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 2: I mean not in terms of like L and coolmo

1651
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 2: D going into each other or saying you whack like

1652
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 2: you yeah to me.

1653
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:41,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like when I saw the gas Face video,

1654
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, they're they're really defending hard, Like.

1655
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Austin jam Master Jay with the hammer

1656
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 2: and we had the two big MC lookalike grab the

1657
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:51,640
Speaker 2: hammer and we kicked him in his ass and like,

1658
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 2: you know, so the real the beef really came about

1659
01:27:55,360 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 2: a line on Cactus, Yes, where we based. But here's

1660
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:03,600
Speaker 2: the thing and again, like people who knew us, we

1661
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 2: would never dis somebody's mom. It was wordlay yeah, because

1662
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:09,880
Speaker 2: we're album. Our album was much better than Turn His

1663
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 2: Mother Out. Cactus Turned ham his Mother Out is like

1664
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,759
Speaker 2: a that's a known fact, Like your shit is whack

1665
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 2: compared to the Cactus. Nobody's checking for your shit. Twenty

1666
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 2: five years later, my shit is still bumping and that's unfortunately,

1667
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 2: but that's how I feel today as almost a fifty

1668
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 2: year old man, Like I'm still like, Yo, your shit

1669
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 2: is whack, you know what I mean. So I took

1670
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 2: it on my shoulder like I was like, I have

1671
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 2: to protect this, like I have to. So we're getting

1672
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 2: ready to come out to LA and we're doing a

1673
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 2: whole week of promotion like that Cactus is doing real well.

1674
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:45,120
Speaker 2: We're doing a Product of the Environment Jeep giveaway a Kday.

1675
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 2: You're like, there's all this cool shit. I've never been

1676
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 2: to LA before. So I got chantel with me. Peek

1677
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 2: out his girl Rock saying Daddy Rich got his girl Mone.

1678
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 2: We're like, we're all all excited. We're getting to JFK.

1679
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 2: We're getting ready to go on a plane and there's

1680
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 2: a call that comes into Carmen Ashhurst Watson, who is

1681
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:05,559
Speaker 2: at then the president of Deaf Chain, and we believe

1682
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 2: it was Louis Barrell Hama's brother, and he says, YO

1683
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 2: is third base still coming to LA And she goes, yeah, why,

1684
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 2: He goes good, They're dead and hangs up the phone.

1685
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:17,560
Speaker 2: So she's like, hmm, that's kind of weird. Like so

1686
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 2: she calls Russell and like, Russell, I think there might

1687
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:22,600
Speaker 2: be a problem with third base, Like I think they

1688
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:26,240
Speaker 2: might be in danger. So Russell does what he does.

1689
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 2: He reaches out to the person who's closest to the street,

1690
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:31,720
Speaker 2: which is Eric B and he calls Eric Barrier and

1691
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:33,559
Speaker 2: he's like, Yo, Eric, can you find out if there's

1692
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 2: something going on about third base in LA. Within twenty

1693
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 2: minutes he gets calls Russell back and he's like, yeah,

1694
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 2: there's a hit. There's a hit out on third base.

1695
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 2: So Russell says to Eric, like, no, Eric, Eric, Well, Eric,

1696
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 2: he is always like Eric, He's always been connected. So

1697
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:54,599
Speaker 2: me and Eric were tight like and then something happened.

1698
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 2: I don't know, Oh no, I know it happened. Let

1699
01:29:57,479 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 2: me tell the story real quick. I'm signed to Rush.

1700
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:02,760
Speaker 2: Third Base album is about to come out. We got

1701
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 2: about three or four songs to do. Lew York calls

1702
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 2: me out of the blue and says, hey, we got

1703
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 2: a problem with Rock Kim. He's got writer's block. I

1704
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 2: need you to write a song for rock him. And

1705
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:14,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, and just so you know, rock Kim's my

1706
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 2: favorite MC of all time, and I ain't no joke

1707
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:20,599
Speaker 2: to me barnunn is the perfect rap record ever made,

1708
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:25,719
Speaker 2: just period. So I was like honored. I was like flattered,

1709
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 2: Like you're gonna ask me like a white devil to

1710
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna write to God MC a verse. Yeah, I'm

1711
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:37,880
Speaker 2: gonna write him a verse. I'm gonna write a beast.

1712
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 2: So me and Pete come to my parents' house and

1713
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:42,240
Speaker 2: we're like, what would what would he say? What would?

1714
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 2: So I get into rock kim mode. I'm thinking about,

1715
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:47,760
Speaker 2: like you know, payt in full, and I'm thinking about

1716
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:49,840
Speaker 2: all of this, and all of a sudden, I write

1717
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:53,760
Speaker 2: Ready in the intro cute the searchlight, Eric's to the

1718
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 2: Senate stage. I grab the first mic, projecting the voice

1719
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:58,760
Speaker 2: with dis mike. Then I'm cuffing you ain't my knuckle

1720
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 2: something snuffing the word of rock him stands true to

1721
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:04,639
Speaker 2: no pannikin man verse. Man you freeze a black mannequin

1722
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:09,559
Speaker 2: could be a rock whoa to dwell upon the step

1723
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 2: in on the trigger has a tomb smash. I could

1724
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 2: where be gave me the cue, So I'm gonna put up,

1725
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 2: shut up too, my gems through. So now I want

1726
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 2: to freak. And That's how I'm hearing rock Kim's voice

1727
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 2: in my head and I'm hearing him saying, now I

1728
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 2: want to freak them. So I'll embarked sparky mission posse

1729
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 2: the way pass dark, I'm park there's no standard. I'll

1730
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 2: plead the five. Oh you don't stop moving until rock

1731
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:31,680
Speaker 2: Kemp says, so to keep trop hoping shooting out to

1732
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:33,599
Speaker 2: play him. Me and Eric be a keep a stepping

1733
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:36,639
Speaker 2: to the am. Write the whole ship in fifteen minutes.

1734
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 2: So I write the whole record in thirty minutes. I

1735
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 2: go next day to Leor. He's like, yo, I'm gonna

1736
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 2: call Eric, and I'm amped. I'm excited. And when Eric

1737
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 2: picks up the phone and Leor goes Eric, I had

1738
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:58,759
Speaker 2: such right a verse the rock him, I hear silent,

1739
01:31:59,880 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 2: and I get shook, and then I go, so, Eric,

1740
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 2: this is the record I wrote. Call step into the

1741
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 2: am click, and then Denise at the front desk goes Leor.

1742
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 2: Eric b's online too. He wants to talk to you

1743
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 2: by yourself. So I'm shook. Now I'm really shook, like

1744
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:28,519
Speaker 2: I don't know what I just did. Like I don't

1745
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 2: know what I just did. All I was trying to

1746
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:32,439
Speaker 2: do is help, Like oh, it's all I was trying

1747
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:39,000
Speaker 2: to do. They called you. Yeah, so I'm told by Simone,

1748
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 2: who at the time was the assistant for Russell and Leor.

1749
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:44,960
Speaker 2: Leor doesn't want you to move until he tells you

1750
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 2: stay here and wait. That's all I get a message

1751
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:52,680
Speaker 2: for and I signed that office for five hours. At

1752
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 2: six point thirty, Leor called me upstairs and he goes,

1753
01:32:57,160 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 2: why didn't you tell me you had beef with Eric B?

1754
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 2: I said, I said, Leora, I don't have beef with

1755
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 2: Eric B. He's like, educates you. He doesn't know why

1756
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:09,400
Speaker 2: he would you would think about writing a record for

1757
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 2: Rock Kim. He's fucking furious I almost lost him as

1758
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 2: a client and bla, He's going off on me. And

1759
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, I said, Leora, I had no idea,

1760
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:18,760
Speaker 2: Like I didn't know. Like I started telling him the

1761
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 2: wine Dance story. He's like, search, fix yourself, get the

1762
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:30,840
Speaker 2: fuck out in my office. So fast forward. Eric Bee

1763
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 2: finds out there's this hit on third base. Russell says, no,

1764
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 2: I don't know what. To this day, I still know

1765
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:40,800
Speaker 2: what the beef I don't know to be, but all

1766
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:44,600
Speaker 2: I know is Eric's reaction and telling Rock Kim that

1767
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:47,800
Speaker 2: rock Kim took two weeks to finish follow the leader,

1768
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:51,439
Speaker 2: So I don't know if there's a connection there, but whatever,

1769
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 2: like whatever happened between Eric and Ra, like Ra either

1770
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:57,720
Speaker 2: got over his right. And I'm not saying I had

1771
01:33:57,720 --> 01:33:59,760
Speaker 2: anything to do with it. I'm just saying, like what

1772
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 2: happened with Eric and his conversation with rock Kim, rock

1773
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:06,680
Speaker 2: Kim was motivated to finish follow the leadership. So Eric

1774
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 2: never stepped to me like we never had a problem.

1775
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:11,639
Speaker 2: But I will tell you that I had a problem

1776
01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 2: with rock Kim the same week with Hammer, and I'll

1777
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 2: tell that story too. So Eric finds out there's a hit,

1778
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 2: and Russell says to them, well, yo, can you do

1779
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 2: something about it? And Eric says not, let it happen

1780
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 2: and hangs up the phone right now, let it happen.

1781
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:31,639
Speaker 2: So Russell calls him back this and again I'm hearing

1782
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:34,720
Speaker 2: this secondhand from Russell and Carmen, right, you know. But

1783
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:36,280
Speaker 2: they call him back and they say, well, can you

1784
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:39,040
Speaker 2: tell us who we need to talk to, and Eric says, yeah,

1785
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:43,200
Speaker 2: this guy my Conception. So they call my Conception and

1786
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 2: they say, Mike, we hear there's a problem, you know

1787
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 2: with third base. He goes, yeah, you know, we got

1788
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:50,960
Speaker 2: to take care of those kids. I'm sorry, it's just

1789
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:53,280
Speaker 2: it's the way it is. And Russell's like, I can't.

1790
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:55,920
Speaker 2: That can't happen. He's like, well, I'll tell you what,

1791
01:34:56,520 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 2: because you're Russell Simmons, We'll just hurt them from the

1792
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 2: waist down so they still do television.

1793
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:05,360
Speaker 7: What does that even mean?

1794
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:07,160
Speaker 2: It means that he was gonna put us in power,

1795
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:11,200
Speaker 2: put us in chairs. So Russell's like, that can't happen either.

1796
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:14,800
Speaker 2: How do we stop this whole thing? And my conception says, okay,

1797
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:16,639
Speaker 2: there's two ways that we can stop it. He goes,

1798
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:18,640
Speaker 2: because you know, there's like fifty thousand members of the

1799
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:21,120
Speaker 2: Crips that already know about the hit. And ya da

1800
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 2: da da dad. He's like, so there's two ways that

1801
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:25,880
Speaker 2: this can happen. He said, I'm having a hard time

1802
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 2: getting a distribution deal for a record that I'm trying

1803
01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:31,000
Speaker 2: to do about Peace Gang Piece, Cold War in the

1804
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:34,080
Speaker 2: same gang. He's like, if you can help me get distribution,

1805
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:37,160
Speaker 2: irony right right, If you're can help me get distribution,

1806
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 2: that would be A and B. Tomorrow night's the American

1807
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:42,040
Speaker 2: Music Awards. I want to sit next to Michael Jackson

1808
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:45,080
Speaker 2: tomorrow night. So this is yaterday. I have twenty four

1809
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:47,840
Speaker 2: hours to make designs, right. So they called Donnie Einer

1810
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 2: and Tommy Mottola and they basically say, Yo, Donnie, I

1811
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 2: need your tickets for the American Music Wards. Don't ask

1812
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 2: me why. This is some street shit. I need your tickets.

1813
01:35:57,320 --> 01:35:59,280
Speaker 2: And Donnie's like, I'm sitting next to Michael Jackson, like

1814
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:01,639
Speaker 2: he's gonna be about to be the most celebrated artist

1815
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 2: of the decade. He's like, you don't understand. We got

1816
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:06,200
Speaker 2: a guy in a wheelchair who's gonna need to sit

1817
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:10,439
Speaker 2: next to Michael Jackson. And sure enough, nineteen ninety American Music.

1818
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 2: I watched it last night. He's sitting right next, right

1819
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 2: right next to Michael Jackson.

1820
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 12: So we're in the air like la, yeah, not knowing,

1821
01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:27,000
Speaker 12: not knowing shit, not knowing shit, your women and we touched.

1822
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:28,519
Speaker 2: Down and I got my girl and I'm hugging up

1823
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 2: on shit, say, oh my god, we're in LA. It's

1824
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 2: gonna be great. Ya da da da da. We come

1825
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:34,840
Speaker 2: out the gate and this is not back. This is

1826
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:38,080
Speaker 2: pre nine eleven, right, and you're smoking cigarettes in the

1827
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:41,040
Speaker 2: front end of the gate like you know nothing. We

1828
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:43,519
Speaker 2: come out the gate. It's all of us stock together

1829
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:47,559
Speaker 2: all of a sudden. Ten dudes put a black tarp

1830
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:51,200
Speaker 2: over our head. No no, and they go move, Move, Move,

1831
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 2: everybody out of the way. Move, Move, Move. Put your

1832
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:56,200
Speaker 2: head down, third base, put your head down. Everybody put

1833
01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:59,080
Speaker 2: your head down. Move, move, move, And I'm bent over

1834
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:01,760
Speaker 2: and I can see Pete next to me bent over,

1835
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:05,240
Speaker 2: and I look over to him and I go, oh

1836
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:07,720
Speaker 2: my god, We're bigger than the Beatles.

1837
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 6: Thing.

1838
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:14,800
Speaker 2: And they move us into this armor plated dan and

1839
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:17,360
Speaker 2: keep your heads down, keep your heads down. And I'm like,

1840
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm killing it. We're killing it. We're

1841
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:25,400
Speaker 2: not killing yo. We are huge, Like I didn't know

1842
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 2: where this huge, fucking huge. And they pull up into

1843
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:33,800
Speaker 2: the Hollywood arm fresh and everything. Yeah, we were all

1844
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:37,720
Speaker 2: kind of were. No nobody explained ship, did you go

1845
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 2: to a baggage claim or anything? They picked up all

1846
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 2: us ship everything, they had a guy picking up. Oh.

1847
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:46,680
Speaker 2: We go to the Hollywood Hiat. They take us to

1848
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:49,160
Speaker 2: the top floor, I mean top floor where little Richard

1849
01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:51,519
Speaker 2: had his condo right right that we take it and

1850
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:54,960
Speaker 2: the whole floor is blocked off like no one, no

1851
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:57,880
Speaker 2: one can go into them except for Little Richard. Every

1852
01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:01,760
Speaker 2: other condo is locked off. Everybody's off. We have security

1853
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 2: at the front, at the elevators. Everybody's being checked. There's

1854
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 2: a list of people that are only allowed on the floor.

1855
01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 2: That's it like. And I'm like, fuck the Beatles. I'm

1856
01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:15,560
Speaker 2: bigger than the and this is the album? Is that?

1857
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:17,720
Speaker 2: How long have the cas I've been out at this time?

1858
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:25,080
Speaker 2: Two weeks? Two weeks, two weeks. This is the impact

1859
01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:28,880
Speaker 2: I had on music cultures. Two weeks. I'm bigger than

1860
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:30,800
Speaker 2: the Beatles. This is the only way I would be

1861
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:34,720
Speaker 2: treated like this, either on Beatles or the ORNU right right.

1862
01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:38,840
Speaker 2: So I'm able to sneak by security. I don't know

1863
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:42,320
Speaker 2: how I did it, but I get downstairs and outside

1864
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:46,200
Speaker 2: the hotel is Rock Kim and Supreme m hmm. And

1865
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:51,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, rock Cam Supreme like yes, Supreme, mathematics,

1866
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:56,560
Speaker 2: yeah Supreme. So I go up to Rock Kim and

1867
01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:59,439
Speaker 2: I said, Row, are you here to see me? And

1868
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:05,439
Speaker 2: he said yeah. I said I said what, Well, He's like, yo,

1869
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:07,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take you around this hotel. Beat you ass

1870
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:13,519
Speaker 2: real quick? What I said, wait? I said what And

1871
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:15,559
Speaker 2: I said what? He said, Yeah, man, you know that's

1872
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:17,960
Speaker 2: seeking a settlement, stunt, seeking a settlement. I know that

1873
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:19,840
Speaker 2: was about me, man. Eric told me that shit was

1874
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:21,960
Speaker 2: about me on that Steven to the am joint. So

1875
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:23,519
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come beat you ass real quick, I said,

1876
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:26,400
Speaker 2: rock Kim, and my voice got real high. I was like,

1877
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 2: my favorite rubber time. I would never do you. That's crazy.

1878
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:32,040
Speaker 7: I love you.

1879
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:34,479
Speaker 2: You're my fucking man, like, I would never do you.

1880
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:36,240
Speaker 2: Are you crazy? Like that's crazy?

1881
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:37,040
Speaker 7: I was talking about some.

1882
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:43,040
Speaker 2: Bitches's looking at me like stone face like, and Supreme

1883
01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:45,240
Speaker 2: looked out for me like a million times, and like

1884
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:47,760
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he's like on the other side, man,

1885
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:50,600
Speaker 2: uncle nel my security guy. He grabs me. He's like

1886
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 2: get inside, get inside right now, and I'm like whatever.

1887
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:56,360
Speaker 2: He takes me upstairs. He takes me to my room.

1888
01:39:56,400 --> 01:40:00,160
Speaker 2: He explains the whole situation that there's this hit and

1889
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:04,240
Speaker 2: all of this, and there's a lieutenant coming to stay

1890
01:40:04,280 --> 01:40:06,920
Speaker 2: with us named Pooky, and I was like, this is

1891
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:07,920
Speaker 2: some bullshit. Again.

1892
01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:09,840
Speaker 7: I'm not an officer, lieutenant.

1893
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:13,320
Speaker 2: No, this guy a lieutenant, and I'm like this is bullshit.

1894
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:14,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, man, I want to go to the

1895
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:16,680
Speaker 2: I heard about the Beverly Center, Like, I want to

1896
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:18,280
Speaker 2: take my girl of Beverly Center. Can I get the

1897
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:20,560
Speaker 2: fuck out of here? Like this is bullshit? And they're like,

1898
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:24,360
Speaker 2: are you fucking kidding me? Like do you think this

1899
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 2: is bullshit? All of this is I'm like, yeah, it's

1900
01:40:26,479 --> 01:40:30,000
Speaker 2: some bullshit. This is not real. I'll fix all of this.

1901
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:34,280
Speaker 2: This is not real. So Pooky comes in and Pooky

1902
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:36,920
Speaker 2: is like the six three skinny dude and he got

1903
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:41,280
Speaker 2: little weltz like all on his arms and I'm like, yo,

1904
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:44,479
Speaker 2: it's up with the mumps. He's like, hey, mumps, motherfucker.

1905
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:49,360
Speaker 2: He's a bullet. And I'm like okay. I was like, well, then, yo,

1906
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 2: take me to the Beverly Center. Then you're supposed to

1907
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:54,080
Speaker 2: hold me down, hold me down, take me to Beverly Center.

1908
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:58,160
Speaker 2: And Uncle Mel's like yo, and Pook he's like, no, no, no, no, no,

1909
01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:01,280
Speaker 2: Lil homie wants to go to center. I'll tell you

1910
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:03,479
Speaker 2: the center, no problem, let's get in a van.

1911
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:09,599
Speaker 1: So just to ask you, you didn't think after hearing

1912
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:13,320
Speaker 1: that story, you still didn't think it can't.

1913
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:16,320
Speaker 2: Be that no New York attitude from.

1914
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:18,080
Speaker 9: Like you.

1915
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 2: It ain't real. I'm on some I'm on my New

1916
01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:28,280
Speaker 2: York ship for real, Like, fuck you, I'm from New

1917
01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:31,000
Speaker 2: York and everything else is bullshit. I'm from New York.

1918
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:35,080
Speaker 2: But you understand my mentality. I do understand it. And

1919
01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:37,240
Speaker 2: it wasn't real. It had to be hyped, it had

1920
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:40,320
Speaker 2: to be exaggerated. This was bullsh It couldn't be real.

1921
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 2: There's no way this is real. You used to go

1922
01:41:43,240 --> 01:41:47,560
Speaker 2: down chantell Is with me. Now you're embarrassing me in

1923
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:50,519
Speaker 2: front of wisdom. I want to go to the Beverly Center.

1924
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:54,479
Speaker 2: My wisdom, my earth is with me. You you are

1925
01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:56,720
Speaker 2: embarrassing in front of my earth, like I want to

1926
01:41:56,760 --> 01:41:57,920
Speaker 2: go to the Beverly.

1927
01:41:57,640 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 7: Center, embarras earth.

1928
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 2: So Pooky's like, no, no, no, no, little homie want

1929
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:04,720
Speaker 2: to go technical Beverly Center. No problem. So Uncle Mel

1930
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:08,040
Speaker 2: and Pooky and me and Chantell we go. I asked,

1931
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:09,519
Speaker 2: you know, Pete, you want to go. He's like, huh,

1932
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 2: I'm good here. Yeah, I'm like a pussy pussy. This

1933
01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:17,479
Speaker 2: ain't rip. So we go to Beverly Center. And for

1934
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:20,080
Speaker 2: those who are listening to, Beverly Center had this big

1935
01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:25,720
Speaker 2: circular area like and elevate escalators that go down and

1936
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:29,120
Speaker 2: and had this like balcony that goes all the way around.

1937
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:32,320
Speaker 2: So we came up to the balcony area and there's

1938
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:34,800
Speaker 2: this escalator that goes down and at the time there

1939
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:38,000
Speaker 2: was like a foot locker and a little hangout area.

1940
01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:41,280
Speaker 2: And Pooky's like, oh, you know, some people just noticed you.

1941
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:43,920
Speaker 2: Why don't you go down there. I'm like, mother fucking right,

1942
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:46,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go down and see my fans. I'm fucking

1943
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:50,519
Speaker 2: I'm Elvis. So you look like MC search. Yeah, the

1944
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:53,640
Speaker 2: whole shit, third base cutting in back, Sir Rock did

1945
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:56,320
Speaker 2: it Crispy too? For the for the album release party.

1946
01:42:56,920 --> 01:43:00,760
Speaker 2: Crispy Crispy, go down, Little Mexican chicks. Oh my god,

1947
01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:02,880
Speaker 2: em C Search, I love you. Blah blah blah blah

1948
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:05,200
Speaker 2: blah blah. I'm signing some autograph. I'm feeling good about myself.

1949
01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:07,519
Speaker 2: I'm waving to wifeyet yeah, da da da, I see

1950
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:09,360
Speaker 2: some guys coming this way. I'm like, uh hu huh,

1951
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:12,160
Speaker 2: guys over here coming this way, Da da da, I'm

1952
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:14,720
Speaker 2: signing autographs. All of a sudden, the dude that's coming

1953
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:17,040
Speaker 2: this way, he pulls the bandana up across his mouth,

1954
01:43:17,560 --> 01:43:20,240
Speaker 2: goes to get the ratchet and then I hear I

1955
01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:25,439
Speaker 2: hit his whistle loudest loudest loud whistle, and they all

1956
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:29,400
Speaker 2: look up and Pooky does some gang signs. I don't

1957
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:31,880
Speaker 2: know what he was doing. He says this, and the

1958
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:34,320
Speaker 2: dude comes right into my face. He pulls down the mask.

1959
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:36,960
Speaker 2: He goes, man, I love y'all, motherfucking third base. I

1960
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:39,040
Speaker 2: was finna smoke you, but you know I love y'all

1961
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:44,240
Speaker 2: motherfuckers yo, yo, and I and I'll tell you right

1962
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:45,920
Speaker 2: there it was the only time as a growing man

1963
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:49,840
Speaker 2: almost pete on myself and the other two dudes behind

1964
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:51,920
Speaker 2: him are like, yo, were good. I'm like yeah. He's like, yeah,

1965
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:53,960
Speaker 2: this shit is over, this shit is good. It's good.

1966
01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:57,440
Speaker 2: And I was like, get me to the fucking hotel

1967
01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:03,559
Speaker 2: right now, the fucking hotel right now. I was so scared.

1968
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:06,400
Speaker 2: I don't even remember the ride out of the Beverly

1969
01:44:06,479 --> 01:44:11,840
Speaker 2: Center back to the Higher What what was the do

1970
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:16,320
Speaker 2: you know what the value was? Fifty thousand dollars yo,

1971
01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:23,400
Speaker 2: fifty g's back in nineteen eighty nine. Fifty g's Yo.

1972
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:25,880
Speaker 2: Both of y'all are just one no for both of us.

1973
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:30,320
Speaker 2: Anybody who got to us it had to be both

1974
01:44:30,360 --> 01:44:35,760
Speaker 2: of us dead, not injured, dead dead. So we go

1975
01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:38,479
Speaker 2: back to the hotel. I now tell Pete shit is real,

1976
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:41,280
Speaker 2: and Pete's like, yeah, motherfucker. I yeah, you didn't notice

1977
01:44:41,320 --> 01:44:43,800
Speaker 2: all of this shit, you know, But I was slow.

1978
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:48,120
Speaker 2: I'm Polish Jew slow. And so now we have to

1979
01:44:48,160 --> 01:44:51,040
Speaker 2: figure out all this strategic movement because def Jam had

1980
01:44:51,080 --> 01:44:54,160
Speaker 2: put so much into this this next three days, like

1981
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:56,720
Speaker 2: we're giving away a jeep on Kday, we have this

1982
01:44:56,840 --> 01:44:59,880
Speaker 2: album release party, Fox five is doing a special on us.

1983
01:45:00,360 --> 01:45:02,040
Speaker 2: You know, we have all these moving parts that we

1984
01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:04,960
Speaker 2: can't just cancel, like God forbid Russell and Leo should

1985
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:07,080
Speaker 2: cancel something right, like, you know, we have to do

1986
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:11,160
Speaker 2: all of this. And Pooky assured everybody that nothing would

1987
01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:13,080
Speaker 2: happen to us as long as Pooky's with us on

1988
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:16,600
Speaker 2: our side. If anybody saw them and he did this,

1989
01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:20,080
Speaker 2: the gang signed, we were good. So we did not

1990
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:23,320
Speaker 2: move out of the hotel. We didn't move right The

1991
01:45:23,479 --> 01:45:26,839
Speaker 2: next morning, we had to do the macatec Greg macat

1992
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:31,160
Speaker 2: the morning show on KDE. Lisa Canning was his news person.

1993
01:45:31,320 --> 01:45:33,479
Speaker 2: It was like the only twenty four hour wrap show

1994
01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:36,240
Speaker 2: in the country is the AM station. It was on

1995
01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:40,320
Speaker 2: this little dirt mountain with an antenna like it was

1996
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:42,280
Speaker 2: in middle of nowhere, and the little said k day.

1997
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:45,639
Speaker 2: And we went in and it was the night after

1998
01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:47,800
Speaker 2: the American Music Awards. And I didn't know anything about

1999
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:50,519
Speaker 2: the American Music Awards. I just I didn't know anything

2000
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:54,000
Speaker 2: about the deal. I didn't know anything. We just went

2001
01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:56,840
Speaker 2: to Greg Mattin, you know, to do the morning show

2002
01:45:56,880 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 2: and give away this jeep. And so we sit down

2003
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:05,479
Speaker 2: and Greg Max, hey, what up third Base? How you

2004
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:07,400
Speaker 2: guys doing. I'm like, ah, it's cool, I'm cool. Yeah,

2005
01:46:07,479 --> 01:46:09,599
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, no, no, no, no, okay, good dude.

2006
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:10,960
Speaker 2: You know, it's great to have you on. You know,

2007
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:14,720
Speaker 2: this is Lisa Canning. Oh Lisa, what cracks some mic? Oh?

2008
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:15,160
Speaker 1: You know?

2009
01:46:15,240 --> 01:46:16,840
Speaker 2: We got third Base in the how it's probably the

2010
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:19,320
Speaker 2: environment jeep. We're gonna give it away, but first we

2011
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:22,400
Speaker 2: got a special guest on the line no Live from

2012
01:46:22,479 --> 01:46:25,559
Speaker 2: the American Music Awards, winning five awards last night, including

2013
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:28,439
Speaker 2: Album of the Year. MC Hammer, Hammer, what's up? Saying

2014
01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:31,360
Speaker 2: a lot of Third Base? I didn't know this partet

2015
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:33,960
Speaker 2: And I look at Pete and I said, this motherfucker

2016
01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:38,880
Speaker 2: just set us in and Hammer goes, hey, Greg, you know, hey, Hamma,

2017
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:42,040
Speaker 2: How are you brother? Nice to you know, hey, congratulations?

2018
01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:45,560
Speaker 2: What do you gotta say? Third Base? Yeah? Man, you know,

2019
01:46:45,680 --> 01:46:48,519
Speaker 2: I just you know, I don't understand why you know

2020
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:50,680
Speaker 2: you have to diss my mom on that record. I'm

2021
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 2: and I'm like, really, I'm heated. I'm heated. And I

2022
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:58,040
Speaker 2: was like, yo, ain't nobody dissed your matriarchal idiot? Like

2023
01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:00,120
Speaker 2: nobody dissed that. You know. It's like, and you know

2024
01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:01,800
Speaker 2: what you did. Why don't you come get this ass

2025
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:04,639
Speaker 2: whooping you punk? You a bitch? Hey, watch your language?

2026
01:47:04,680 --> 01:47:07,320
Speaker 2: Knowing you a bitch too, Greg Mac, you're a punk bitch.

2027
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:09,760
Speaker 2: Why don't you say that? Great Mac? Yeah, I said,

2028
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:11,519
Speaker 2: why don't you go to the phone. See who LA

2029
01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:14,200
Speaker 2: likes better third Base of Hamm of that punk bitch.

2030
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:16,320
Speaker 2: He's like, hey, watch your mouth is love Radio. I

2031
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:18,599
Speaker 2: was like, yo, I'll say a whole lot worse, you bitch.

2032
01:47:20,160 --> 01:47:25,280
Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna go to the line, right, gonna

2033
01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:28,880
Speaker 2: go to the lines. First caller, oh I love third base,

2034
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:31,240
Speaker 2: I love the Hammers. Whack Hamma gets a gas face.

2035
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:33,920
Speaker 2: Next caller, oh I love hammer third base is whack

2036
01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:35,920
Speaker 2: those Wanda bees out of da Da da they're whack.

2037
01:47:36,280 --> 01:47:38,920
Speaker 2: Next caller, Oh, I love Hammer. Hammer is dope. You know,

2038
01:47:39,479 --> 01:47:41,560
Speaker 2: third base is whack. Blah blah blah. Next caller, I

2039
01:47:41,680 --> 01:47:44,760
Speaker 2: love third base. Yo, search is dope, Peter's dope, Hamm's whack.

2040
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:46,360
Speaker 2: I don't know this whole thing about this and that

2041
01:47:46,479 --> 01:47:48,559
Speaker 2: Ya Da da da da. We're gonna take more calls

2042
01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:50,960
Speaker 2: after this, and you know, right, So then he starts

2043
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:54,360
Speaker 2: taking more calls and I'm telling Mel, I'm like, Yo, Mel,

2044
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:57,080
Speaker 2: if you want to fucking smoke this motherfucker, go ahead, man,

2045
01:47:57,080 --> 01:47:59,080
Speaker 2: I'll give you ten thousand dollars. You put a bullet

2046
01:47:59,080 --> 01:48:03,400
Speaker 2: in this motherfucker's head. And very great. Yeah, And he's like, Yo,

2047
01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:05,760
Speaker 2: you need to fucking calm down. And I'm like, calm down,

2048
01:48:06,200 --> 01:48:08,040
Speaker 2: Like you just set us up our first time in radio,

2049
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:10,760
Speaker 2: Like this is some good radio to you. Ps, it

2050
01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:13,800
Speaker 2: was good radio, right, But I'm like, you know, but

2051
01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:16,280
Speaker 2: I'm insulted, and I'm young, and I'm dumb, and I'm

2052
01:48:16,320 --> 01:48:18,200
Speaker 2: full of com and I'm like, yo, I'm gonna fucking

2053
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:22,040
Speaker 2: smack somebody. So he goes to the callers. He tapes

2054
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:24,439
Speaker 2: two or three calls. It's between Hammer and Ya Da

2055
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:28,200
Speaker 2: Da da dah, and then he takes a live call caller,

2056
01:48:28,240 --> 01:48:31,760
Speaker 2: who's this rolling sixty crib were coming for you, Pip.

2057
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:39,360
Speaker 2: Time out there we go. Mac didn't know what was

2058
01:48:39,400 --> 01:48:42,360
Speaker 2: going on. He had no idea. We get in the van,

2059
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:44,720
Speaker 2: we start going down the dirt road. There's these two

2060
01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:48,639
Speaker 2: sixty four's that come this way. Oh lord, six dudes

2061
01:48:48,680 --> 01:48:52,719
Speaker 2: come out with ars and ratchets and like, and Pooky

2062
01:48:52,880 --> 01:49:01,200
Speaker 2: jumps out whistles this some wild sign still third base

2063
01:49:01,240 --> 01:49:09,120
Speaker 2: if he bunts. Alright, he just gave he gave some

2064
01:49:09,240 --> 01:49:11,519
Speaker 2: signs and those dudes get back in the car and

2065
01:49:11,560 --> 01:49:12,400
Speaker 2: they just back out.

2066
01:49:12,479 --> 01:49:12,679
Speaker 5: Wow.

2067
01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:17,800
Speaker 2: So now the real problem is God that that night

2068
01:49:18,640 --> 01:49:22,200
Speaker 2: we have to go to the Palace and perform, and

2069
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:26,000
Speaker 2: it's like everybody know, the entire audience, no, no, no,

2070
01:49:26,160 --> 01:49:28,240
Speaker 2: there's no way to stop it. There's no way to

2071
01:49:28,280 --> 01:49:30,759
Speaker 2: stop it. There's like three thousand people in the palace

2072
01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:35,080
Speaker 2: and they've been there since like six o'clock in the afternoon.

2073
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:40,360
Speaker 2: So this is a logistical nightmare. As they say in

2074
01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:45,240
Speaker 2: the tour business. Right, there were blue cars circling all

2075
01:49:45,320 --> 01:49:48,639
Speaker 2: on Hollywood and Vine, just blue cars, tons of blue cars,

2076
01:49:48,720 --> 01:49:52,720
Speaker 2: tons of blue cars, and we can't figure this out.

2077
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:55,599
Speaker 2: Chantella's crying. Our girls are crying like, oh my god,

2078
01:49:55,680 --> 01:49:58,640
Speaker 2: you're gonna die. Like one person says, hey, let's cancel la.

2079
01:49:59,240 --> 01:50:01,840
Speaker 2: Definitely not. There was no way to. Like Russell and

2080
01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:03,880
Speaker 2: Ley all put our lives in jeopardy. They were not

2081
01:50:04,040 --> 01:50:09,160
Speaker 2: canceling nothing because POOKI short and he got him the

2082
01:50:09,240 --> 01:50:11,759
Speaker 2: seats and ya da da da dad. So what Leor

2083
01:50:11,800 --> 01:50:14,720
Speaker 2: and Russell did was send their guy, Big D, who

2084
01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:19,120
Speaker 2: used to be the he sent how do you know

2085
01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:23,000
Speaker 2: that from the It was one of these documentaries you met,

2086
01:50:24,840 --> 01:50:27,360
Speaker 2: all right, go ahead, So Big D comes in and

2087
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:30,280
Speaker 2: his job is to stay next to my conception the

2088
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:32,960
Speaker 2: whole time, Like his job is to act like my

2089
01:50:33,080 --> 01:50:35,880
Speaker 2: conception security because he wants to make sure that Mike's

2090
01:50:35,880 --> 01:50:39,920
Speaker 2: gonna keep his word of his word is bond. The

2091
01:50:40,120 --> 01:50:43,680
Speaker 2: next day he's doing the final recording. The same day

2092
01:50:43,680 --> 01:50:47,600
Speaker 2: we're doing the Palace, Hammer is recording his verse for

2093
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:49,920
Speaker 2: role in the Same Gang, and my Conception is there

2094
01:50:50,040 --> 01:50:53,280
Speaker 2: and Big D is there. Hammer. Before he goes into

2095
01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:55,680
Speaker 2: the and I got this from D. Before he goes in,

2096
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:57,400
Speaker 2: he says to Mike, hey, can I talk to a

2097
01:50:57,479 --> 01:51:00,280
Speaker 2: second and you know for private He's like yeah, but

2098
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:02,559
Speaker 2: my security god come with me. He's like, yeah, that's fine.

2099
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:06,880
Speaker 2: They go into a room. Indeed, literally said Hamma. Turned that,

2100
01:51:07,080 --> 01:51:10,120
Speaker 2: turned turned to Mike and said why ain't they dead yet?

2101
01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:14,720
Speaker 2: And Mike said, yeah, that's not gonna happen. But I'll

2102
01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:18,320
Speaker 2: tell you what, if anything does happen to third Base,

2103
01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:21,719
Speaker 2: I'll kill your brother, your mother, your father, your sister,

2104
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:24,280
Speaker 2: your cousins. I'll come to Unkland and wipe your whole

2105
01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:26,800
Speaker 2: fucking family out. Now, get in a fucking booth and

2106
01:51:26,840 --> 01:51:27,679
Speaker 2: do your verse.

2107
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:29,000
Speaker 3: What?

2108
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:32,320
Speaker 2: And to this day, me and my conception are like this,

2109
01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:36,800
Speaker 2: to this day. So Hammer goes does his verse, and

2110
01:51:36,880 --> 01:51:38,719
Speaker 2: we're like, how are we gonna get into our own party?

2111
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:42,719
Speaker 2: And Uncle Mel says, I got it. We're gonna dress

2112
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:48,519
Speaker 2: them as security guards. Wait, there's no way this is true,

2113
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:54,080
Speaker 2: absolutely true, right, So he says, we're gonna dress you

2114
01:51:54,200 --> 01:51:56,080
Speaker 2: up as security guard. So we put on the csc

2115
01:51:56,320 --> 01:52:00,479
Speaker 2: security jackets, keV Lar, I cover in my high top,

2116
01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:03,599
Speaker 2: fade with a Scully Pete Sku, and we got dark

2117
01:52:03,680 --> 01:52:07,120
Speaker 2: glasses and my and my girl's crying and like it's

2118
01:52:07,160 --> 01:52:10,880
Speaker 2: all upsetting and everybody's upset, and we sneak into the venue,

2119
01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:14,400
Speaker 2: and like they make they make a comment like everybody

2120
01:52:14,439 --> 01:52:17,600
Speaker 2: who's wearing blue blue jeans you gotta get out, And

2121
01:52:17,680 --> 01:52:19,920
Speaker 2: Pooky has lound now like ten dudes with them, and

2122
01:52:19,960 --> 01:52:23,439
Speaker 2: they're like checking the audience and we're backstage for like

2123
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:27,200
Speaker 2: two hours and Pooky's like, yeah, venue's clean, nobody's here.

2124
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:30,800
Speaker 2: Ya da da da da? Can how come Pooky just

2125
01:52:30,840 --> 01:52:36,160
Speaker 2: didn't come out on stage first? And then I don't know,

2126
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:40,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. Oh my god, the

2127
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:44,760
Speaker 2: original Twitter r Pooky is Twitter. So we find out

2128
01:52:44,760 --> 01:52:48,280
Speaker 2: it's all clear, it's all good. Girls come in. N

2129
01:52:48,439 --> 01:52:50,320
Speaker 2: w A is there. I take a picture. I gave

2130
01:52:50,479 --> 01:52:52,840
Speaker 2: n w A. I gave easy my third base gives

2131
01:52:52,880 --> 01:52:54,760
Speaker 2: him the gas face hat. I wear the Oakland rate

2132
01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:57,120
Speaker 2: I hat. We're taking pictures with Dre and d C

2133
01:52:57,360 --> 01:53:00,200
Speaker 2: and De La Soula is there. Ll jumps on day.

2134
01:53:00,200 --> 01:53:02,840
Speaker 2: It's just a free style, like have a great night,

2135
01:53:03,200 --> 01:53:08,040
Speaker 2: great night, everything's peace, all done. And that's the empty

2136
01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:12,360
Speaker 2: Hammer story and Mike conception. He's still alive, still alive,

2137
01:53:12,439 --> 01:53:15,679
Speaker 2: lives in Malibu, lives in Malibu. He's still power liized,

2138
01:53:15,800 --> 01:53:18,120
Speaker 2: but you know he lives in Malibu and still involved

2139
01:53:18,120 --> 01:53:19,519
Speaker 2: in the music business and if.

2140
01:53:19,400 --> 01:53:22,600
Speaker 7: You and are in the same room today.

2141
01:53:22,360 --> 01:53:24,400
Speaker 2: So let me tell y'all a story that you don't

2142
01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:27,200
Speaker 2: know that I saved just for Amir. I didn't even

2143
01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:31,000
Speaker 2: know the part two the entire so.

2144
01:53:31,240 --> 01:53:33,360
Speaker 1: Like the first time I heard the story, it's stopped

2145
01:53:33,479 --> 01:53:36,400
Speaker 1: at Mike exception, I'm sitting in the art I didn't

2146
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:37,959
Speaker 1: know about great.

2147
01:53:38,600 --> 01:53:42,759
Speaker 2: Okay, So I saved this just for you. So about

2148
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:45,799
Speaker 2: two years ago, I get a call from a producer

2149
01:53:45,880 --> 01:53:48,120
Speaker 2: friend of mine who did a movie called Black Dynamite.

2150
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:52,960
Speaker 2: Man Scott said, yeah, yeah, yeah, Scott. Okay. Scott says, yo,

2151
01:53:54,040 --> 01:53:56,679
Speaker 2: I just heard you in Mosha Kasher on the Champs.

2152
01:53:56,920 --> 01:53:58,719
Speaker 2: We want to do a movie on the Hammer story.

2153
01:54:00,520 --> 01:54:02,120
Speaker 2: The only problem is we got to get Hammer to

2154
01:54:02,160 --> 01:54:06,639
Speaker 2: say okay to it. And I'm like, okay, I said cool.

2155
01:54:07,120 --> 01:54:08,840
Speaker 2: You know, He's like, are you gonna be okay with that?

2156
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:11,720
Speaker 2: And I said, let's take it one step at the time,

2157
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:14,000
Speaker 2: because I don't think Hammer will ever say it's okay

2158
01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:18,839
Speaker 2: to make this this story. And you know, because basically,

2159
01:54:20,240 --> 01:54:22,040
Speaker 2: and I didn't know this, but I found out later

2160
01:54:22,479 --> 01:54:25,559
Speaker 2: that even the idea and I forget what it's called,

2161
01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:30,920
Speaker 2: but even to commit murder. The oh yeah, conspiracy. There's

2162
01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:33,240
Speaker 2: no statute of limitations. You go to jail for any

2163
01:54:34,120 --> 01:54:37,960
Speaker 2: conspiracy to murder is a twenty five, regardless if it

2164
01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:41,960
Speaker 2: happened in eighty nine and ninety six or yesterday. So

2165
01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:44,800
Speaker 2: it takes about a year and they finally sit down

2166
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:49,720
Speaker 2: with Hammer and his two agents from CIA, right, and

2167
01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:53,120
Speaker 2: I get a call from Scott and you know, this

2168
01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:55,240
Speaker 2: is a process has been taking a year. So I

2169
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:57,080
Speaker 2: get a call from Scott. He goes, Yo, you're sitting down,

2170
01:54:58,880 --> 01:55:04,000
Speaker 2: said yeah, what's up. I met with Hammer and I

2171
01:55:04,080 --> 01:55:09,600
Speaker 2: said really, I said, He said yeah, Hammer wants to

2172
01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:22,240
Speaker 2: do the movie. He said, Hammer has one request that

2173
01:55:22,400 --> 01:55:24,840
Speaker 2: at the end of the movie, he's the hero that

2174
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:27,640
Speaker 2: his mom said he shouldn't do the hit, and he

2175
01:55:27,720 --> 01:55:30,160
Speaker 2: didn't do the hit, and he's the hero of the movie.

2176
01:55:30,360 --> 01:55:30,400
Speaker 1: No.

2177
01:55:30,760 --> 01:55:33,879
Speaker 2: No, And I said, you know what, fuck it is Hollywood.

2178
01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:36,040
Speaker 2: It's all good. He's like, he's like, but would you

2179
01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:37,600
Speaker 2: do press with him? I was like, hell no, I'm

2180
01:55:37,640 --> 01:55:38,920
Speaker 2: not doing pressed with him. I don't want to be

2181
01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:40,920
Speaker 2: five feet near him. He's like, wait a minute, you

2182
01:55:40,960 --> 01:55:44,040
Speaker 2: know the red carpet. I said, fuck all that. I said, Yo,

2183
01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:46,920
Speaker 2: if I give him this not seeing him, never seen

2184
01:55:47,000 --> 01:55:48,840
Speaker 2: him face to face, and I'll tell you about the

2185
01:55:48,920 --> 01:55:51,920
Speaker 2: OMTV raps the last one. I'll tell you that story too,

2186
01:55:52,720 --> 01:55:56,600
Speaker 2: So never never right. So we start going through the negotiations.

2187
01:55:57,000 --> 01:55:59,760
Speaker 2: We start talking to and and the first person we

2188
01:55:59,880 --> 01:56:02,600
Speaker 2: go to seth Rogen and he's like, Yo, I want

2189
01:56:02,640 --> 01:56:04,560
Speaker 2: to fucking do this movie, like I want to fucking

2190
01:56:04,640 --> 01:56:06,320
Speaker 2: do it, like no doubt, I want to do it.

2191
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:11,080
Speaker 2: But Hammer didn't know. I was still telling the story right.

2192
01:56:11,320 --> 01:56:13,880
Speaker 2: And it gets back to him I did the Champs right,

2193
01:56:14,120 --> 01:56:16,280
Speaker 2: and he hears the story and he's like, oh fuck Search.

2194
01:56:16,520 --> 01:56:18,280
Speaker 2: He can't let that shit go fuck him, and the

2195
01:56:18,360 --> 01:56:20,480
Speaker 2: movie was dead. So the closest I ever got to

2196
01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:24,480
Speaker 2: Hammer was the Final Yo MTV Raps. I'm now senior Big,

2197
01:56:25,720 --> 01:56:27,680
Speaker 2: I'm senior VP. A whild pitch. I get a call

2198
01:56:27,960 --> 01:56:30,160
Speaker 2: from Ted demimeye rest in peace, like, Yo, we're doing

2199
01:56:30,200 --> 01:56:33,400
Speaker 2: the final YO come through. I come through and I

2200
01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:35,440
Speaker 2: was just in some workshit like I wasn't even like

2201
01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:38,440
Speaker 2: stage dressed or nothing like that. And I got like

2202
01:56:38,520 --> 01:56:41,440
Speaker 2: ten goons with me, like I'm already with like nonfiction.

2203
01:56:41,640 --> 01:56:43,920
Speaker 2: So they are just a bunch of goons and we

2204
01:56:44,040 --> 01:56:46,879
Speaker 2: come in and for whatever reason, there was no metal detector,

2205
01:56:46,920 --> 01:56:48,760
Speaker 2: and like three of my boys got they ratchets with

2206
01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:50,520
Speaker 2: them and like we're just you know, but we're not

2207
01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:53,120
Speaker 2: thinking anything bad. We're just like, you know, just coming

2208
01:56:53,160 --> 01:56:55,680
Speaker 2: from the street. My boys were from Brooklyn. Whatever we

2209
01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:58,800
Speaker 2: do the cipher, I do my little verse. Everybody does

2210
01:56:58,840 --> 01:57:02,080
Speaker 2: their little verse. Ed Lover comes over and goes, come on, man,

2211
01:57:02,120 --> 01:57:03,920
Speaker 2: it's the last show and they're taping this. He goes, Yo,

2212
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:06,440
Speaker 2: it's the last show. Hamma's back there, Like, come on,

2213
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:09,280
Speaker 2: let's make peace, man, let's just the last young TV raps.

2214
01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:15,040
Speaker 2: And I said, Hammas here. I was like, oh, My

2215
01:57:15,120 --> 01:57:17,680
Speaker 2: boys pulled out. The ratchets started going through the crowd

2216
01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:19,880
Speaker 2: like looking for him. Hammer ditched. He went down into

2217
01:57:19,960 --> 01:57:26,280
Speaker 2: his car and took off. What the very last episode said,

2218
01:57:27,480 --> 01:57:31,240
Speaker 2: They never aired it. That didn't make the cut. God,

2219
01:57:32,240 --> 01:57:34,480
Speaker 2: that's the closest I've ever been to face to face

2220
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:34,800
Speaker 2: with him.

2221
01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:37,120
Speaker 10: Well, I guess if somebody threatens your life and your family,

2222
01:57:37,160 --> 01:57:38,240
Speaker 10: you really it's kind of hard.

2223
01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:40,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's funny. So I've been in recovery

2224
01:57:40,680 --> 01:57:43,600
Speaker 2: for five years, like eleven eleven is my anniversary. I've

2225
01:57:43,640 --> 01:57:46,120
Speaker 2: been in recovery and I'm I'm at the step. I'm

2226
01:57:46,200 --> 01:57:50,760
Speaker 2: drinking or drugs or drugs okay, marijuana. Oh, specifically I was.

2227
01:57:51,080 --> 01:57:53,920
Speaker 2: It was bad, and a lot of it was to

2228
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:55,520
Speaker 2: numb a lot of pain that I was dealing with

2229
01:57:55,640 --> 01:57:59,400
Speaker 2: that I just didn't want to face. And I'm coming

2230
01:57:59,480 --> 01:58:02,360
Speaker 2: up to the eighth step, which is amens. And my

2231
01:58:02,680 --> 01:58:05,720
Speaker 2: sponsor doesn't really understand my career, like, you know, he

2232
01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:07,480
Speaker 2: doesn't care about it. But I told him, I have

2233
01:58:07,640 --> 01:58:10,360
Speaker 2: this amends I have to make with someone who really

2234
01:58:10,400 --> 01:58:12,960
Speaker 2: wanted to do bodily harm to me. And he said,

2235
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:17,800
Speaker 2: the eight step talks about making amends with people unless

2236
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:22,720
Speaker 2: it will cause injury to them or others. He's like, so, technically,

2237
01:58:22,800 --> 01:58:25,080
Speaker 2: if you don't want to make amends, you don't have to.

2238
01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:28,440
Speaker 2: You don't really have to. It's really up to you

2239
01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:31,040
Speaker 2: if you think it'll do damage to that person. And

2240
01:58:31,120 --> 01:58:33,520
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't think it'll damage that person,

2241
01:58:33,600 --> 01:58:36,360
Speaker 2: but if he says something smart, I'm going to definitely

2242
01:58:36,520 --> 01:58:39,040
Speaker 2: knock him the fuck out, you know what I'm saying.

2243
01:58:39,160 --> 01:58:40,960
Speaker 2: Like so it's like it's one of these things that

2244
01:58:41,040 --> 01:58:43,320
Speaker 2: I battle with as a grown ass man, even to

2245
01:58:43,400 --> 01:58:45,360
Speaker 2: this day, Like I'm forty nine, years old, like let

2246
01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:47,760
Speaker 2: it go, you know what I mean. But then I

2247
01:58:47,880 --> 01:58:50,200
Speaker 2: think about that day. I think about the black tarp,

2248
01:58:50,280 --> 01:58:53,280
Speaker 2: I think about the guys with the masks. I think

2249
01:58:53,320 --> 01:58:55,720
Speaker 2: about going into my own party as security. I think

2250
01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:59,560
Speaker 2: about Greg Mack and it's all like yesterday that you

2251
01:59:00,080 --> 01:59:03,920
Speaker 2: all like yesterday, And it's a part of me that's like, fuck,

2252
01:59:03,960 --> 01:59:05,680
Speaker 2: I gotta let it go sometimes, like when am I

2253
01:59:05,720 --> 01:59:07,120
Speaker 2: going to let it go? Like when am I just

2254
01:59:07,160 --> 01:59:10,800
Speaker 2: gonna let it go? So everything happens for a reason, right,

2255
01:59:11,680 --> 01:59:14,840
Speaker 2: So this year, we were doing a TV show called

2256
01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:18,800
Speaker 2: They Call Me Search. We're in the process of shooting

2257
01:59:18,840 --> 01:59:21,040
Speaker 2: the pilot and getting the sizzled and getting ready to

2258
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:24,040
Speaker 2: shop it. And that's where I'm gonna make peace with it.

2259
01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:26,840
Speaker 2: That's what's up. That's where we're going to do an

2260
01:59:26,840 --> 01:59:29,320
Speaker 2: episode where I make peace with it. Just about your

2261
01:59:29,400 --> 01:59:31,680
Speaker 2: life and the show is about my life. And this

2262
01:59:31,880 --> 01:59:33,960
Speaker 2: is you and hammer y'all want to do it? No, no, no,

2263
01:59:34,080 --> 01:59:35,440
Speaker 2: I ain't got none to do with him. This is

2264
01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:40,560
Speaker 2: my This is all my stories in a series, not

2265
01:59:40,640 --> 01:59:43,920
Speaker 2: even a documentary, thirty minute dramedy.

2266
01:59:44,240 --> 01:59:53,160
Speaker 1: What if you're just joining us? You are breathing a

2267
01:59:53,360 --> 01:59:57,680
Speaker 1: sigh of relief. All right, it's Quest Love Supreme. We're

2268
01:59:57,720 --> 02:00:00,800
Speaker 1: here with MC search about the search? Oh what were

2269
02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:03,040
Speaker 1: you saying? I was was asking about the cats Albus.

2270
02:00:03,080 --> 02:00:05,160
Speaker 1: We didn't even really I know, we didn't the album.

2271
02:00:05,720 --> 02:00:08,560
Speaker 1: We went straight to the dam, to the shootout room

2272
02:00:09,160 --> 02:00:12,320
Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, so how on has y'all s been

2273
02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:13,160
Speaker 1: on working that record?

2274
02:00:13,200 --> 02:00:17,560
Speaker 2: Man? So couding it? So the record took us a

2275
02:00:17,640 --> 02:00:19,520
Speaker 2: year to record and it sat on the shelf for

2276
02:00:19,560 --> 02:00:22,520
Speaker 2: two and a half years. Are you wait eighty seven? Yep?

2277
02:00:22,640 --> 02:00:24,400
Speaker 2: We worked on it in eighty seven and it didn't

2278
02:00:24,440 --> 02:00:26,360
Speaker 2: come out till November of nineteen eighty nine.

2279
02:00:27,320 --> 02:00:29,880
Speaker 4: So from the time from when you were y'all were

2280
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:32,960
Speaker 4: at uh you did the battle, Russ comes It's like, hey,

2281
02:00:33,080 --> 02:00:34,840
Speaker 4: tell them you're on def Jam.

2282
02:00:35,560 --> 02:00:37,720
Speaker 2: We signed. We signed six months later than we worked

2283
02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:39,640
Speaker 2: on the album, So a year and eight y'all signed

2284
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:42,360
Speaker 2: as a duo. When was it ninety? When was it finished?

2285
02:00:42,760 --> 02:00:46,720
Speaker 2: End of nineteen eighty seven? Early nineteen eighty eight? And

2286
02:00:47,120 --> 02:00:49,880
Speaker 2: Russell what the problem was? Russell and Lyork didn't think

2287
02:00:49,920 --> 02:00:52,080
Speaker 2: we had a hit on the on the album that

2288
02:00:52,200 --> 02:00:54,000
Speaker 2: was Russell's real big deal. It's like we didn't have

2289
02:00:54,080 --> 02:00:57,160
Speaker 2: a hit. So when I wrote step into the Am

2290
02:00:57,240 --> 02:00:59,000
Speaker 2: for Eric being rock Cam, I was like, fuck it,

2291
02:00:59,160 --> 02:01:00,920
Speaker 2: this shit is dope. If he if he's not going

2292
02:01:00,960 --> 02:01:02,280
Speaker 2: to use it, me and Peter are going to use it.

2293
02:01:03,320 --> 02:01:06,640
Speaker 2: So I called I called Dante. I was like, Yo, Dante,

2294
02:01:06,720 --> 02:01:08,920
Speaker 2: can you hook us up with like Eric, Vietnam Sadler

2295
02:01:08,960 --> 02:01:11,200
Speaker 2: and Keith Shockley and those guys like I want to

2296
02:01:11,240 --> 02:01:13,080
Speaker 2: go out to Hempstead. I want to demo this song.

2297
02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:20,040
Speaker 2: And we did it in about a day day or two.

2298
02:01:20,400 --> 02:01:23,800
Speaker 2: We did it with them out there, Vietnam, Keith Hank did.

2299
02:01:23,680 --> 02:01:26,920
Speaker 1: You watch the Yeah, of course, can you please describe

2300
02:01:27,000 --> 02:01:29,200
Speaker 1: to me like watching the bomb Squad?

2301
02:01:29,320 --> 02:01:32,680
Speaker 2: So Keith was really like I like to call Keith

2302
02:01:32,720 --> 02:01:36,200
Speaker 2: the instigator. Keith would find the samples, like Keith was

2303
02:01:36,280 --> 02:01:39,400
Speaker 2: the guy who would like dig through the samples, and

2304
02:01:39,520 --> 02:01:42,600
Speaker 2: he was really the instigator. He'd be like, yo, say

2305
02:01:42,680 --> 02:01:47,800
Speaker 2: that ram again, Like say that right, and then they

2306
02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:50,320
Speaker 2: would and Vietnam would start putting the beats down right,

2307
02:01:50,320 --> 02:01:51,840
Speaker 2: and then he'd be like, oh, I got this sample.

2308
02:01:52,120 --> 02:01:55,080
Speaker 2: And they had that back wall with like fifty thousand records,

2309
02:01:55,120 --> 02:01:57,960
Speaker 2: like the whole back wall. He was like yo, yeah, yea.

2310
02:02:00,280 --> 02:02:02,400
Speaker 2: And then Keith would be like, oh wait wait, I

2311
02:02:02,480 --> 02:02:04,160
Speaker 2: got this, I got this, I got this for that,

2312
02:02:04,240 --> 02:02:07,440
Speaker 2: I got this for that. And then they would lay

2313
02:02:07,480 --> 02:02:08,760
Speaker 2: it down and be like, all right, going to the

2314
02:02:08,960 --> 02:02:11,360
Speaker 2: going to the booth, Pete, you start do your verse

2315
02:02:11,400 --> 02:02:14,120
Speaker 2: first search you come in da da da, And then

2316
02:02:14,160 --> 02:02:16,040
Speaker 2: we go back and forth. And then we were like no, no, no, no, no,

2317
02:02:16,480 --> 02:02:19,280
Speaker 2: let us do all verse like that. Oh okay, okay, okay,

2318
02:02:19,280 --> 02:02:21,240
Speaker 2: we're gonna lay the beat down over here. You guys

2319
02:02:21,280 --> 02:02:23,760
Speaker 2: go figure out your verses and and and it was

2320
02:02:23,880 --> 02:02:27,080
Speaker 2: really like Vietnam was the instigator and then Keith was

2321
02:02:27,160 --> 02:02:30,000
Speaker 2: the agitator. He'd be like, yo, that shit not and

2322
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:33,240
Speaker 2: they would go back and forth, and Hank would literally

2323
02:02:33,400 --> 02:02:35,240
Speaker 2: was the one who came in and did the final mixes.

2324
02:02:35,840 --> 02:02:38,560
Speaker 2: So Hank would come in, he would tune everything, he

2325
02:02:38,600 --> 02:02:42,040
Speaker 2: would hear everything, he'd listen to both speakers, he nod yes,

2326
02:02:42,200 --> 02:02:44,080
Speaker 2: and then he was out, you know what I'm saying.

2327
02:02:44,160 --> 02:02:46,560
Speaker 2: Like he was like the orchestrator. Hank was like Puffy,

2328
02:02:47,440 --> 02:02:49,880
Speaker 2: No no, I wouldn't say, well I don't I've never

2329
02:02:49,880 --> 02:02:52,440
Speaker 2: seen Puffy in the studio and no, no, no.

2330
02:02:52,520 --> 02:02:54,720
Speaker 1: He's like, I know they get said, oh you don't

2331
02:02:54,720 --> 02:02:58,200
Speaker 1: do no real like. He doesn't do the work per

2332
02:02:58,280 --> 02:03:02,640
Speaker 1: se like. I felt that air Eric was the technology guy,

2333
02:03:03,080 --> 02:03:07,400
Speaker 1: and he was. And then Keith had the information that

2334
02:03:07,680 --> 02:03:10,360
Speaker 1: other records he used right, and Chuck did all the

2335
02:03:10,440 --> 02:03:11,400
Speaker 1: voice and stuff right.

2336
02:03:11,360 --> 02:03:13,680
Speaker 2: And then and then Hank would kind of tune everything.

2337
02:03:13,720 --> 02:03:15,400
Speaker 2: And Hank was the guy who would say with the

2338
02:03:15,480 --> 02:03:17,680
Speaker 2: mix engineer and make sure the mix was tight and

2339
02:03:17,800 --> 02:03:21,080
Speaker 2: everything was dope well, and it's funny. And the funny thing.

2340
02:03:21,280 --> 02:03:22,840
Speaker 2: I just got to tell you the side, Joe, because

2341
02:03:22,840 --> 02:03:25,320
Speaker 2: you know my family. So one night, we're in the

2342
02:03:25,400 --> 02:03:28,440
Speaker 2: studio and we're going to take a break, So we

2343
02:03:28,520 --> 02:03:33,000
Speaker 2: go to Irving Plaza, meet Keith Vietnam, Pete Doddy Rich.

2344
02:03:33,480 --> 02:03:36,960
Speaker 2: We go to Irving Plaza and at the time, Keith

2345
02:03:37,080 --> 02:03:40,280
Speaker 2: was kicking his sumb shorty right and he's going up

2346
02:03:40,280 --> 02:03:42,280
Speaker 2: the stairs in front of us, and I go and

2347
02:03:42,360 --> 02:03:45,240
Speaker 2: I go to give somebody a pound behind me, and

2348
02:03:45,320 --> 02:03:48,400
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I hear, oh, oh, stop, bitch stop,

2349
02:03:50,520 --> 02:03:54,000
Speaker 2: and I go upstairs and Keith is getting pounded like

2350
02:03:54,120 --> 02:03:56,600
Speaker 2: to the midsection by this little five to two shorty.

2351
02:03:57,120 --> 02:03:59,240
Speaker 2: She's just pounding him. And he's doing the right thing.

2352
02:03:59,280 --> 02:04:01,600
Speaker 2: He ain't hitting her, but he finally gets her off

2353
02:04:01,640 --> 02:04:03,880
Speaker 2: of him and yah da da da da, and I

2354
02:04:03,960 --> 02:04:08,920
Speaker 2: look in at Chantelle. That's how you met Chantelle. No,

2355
02:04:09,280 --> 02:04:13,320
Speaker 2: it's not how I met Chantel. So we became friends,

2356
02:04:13,800 --> 02:04:15,640
Speaker 2: like just through the club scene. And I always kind

2357
02:04:15,640 --> 02:04:18,080
Speaker 2: of I called her Lefty. I was like, yo, what

2358
02:04:18,200 --> 02:04:22,840
Speaker 2: up Lefty? Because she had that wicked left And she

2359
02:04:22,880 --> 02:04:25,080
Speaker 2: would always see me like coming to clubs with all

2360
02:04:25,240 --> 02:04:27,720
Speaker 2: different chicks and like ya da da da da. And

2361
02:04:27,840 --> 02:04:32,240
Speaker 2: her favorite record was Super Hope by bdp uh huh,

2362
02:04:32,320 --> 02:04:34,280
Speaker 2: so she would always call me the super ho She

2363
02:04:34,360 --> 02:04:36,520
Speaker 2: was like, oh, there was miss the super Hope. So

2364
02:04:37,280 --> 02:04:38,920
Speaker 2: me and P used to host a party at Irving

2365
02:04:38,960 --> 02:04:42,520
Speaker 2: Plaza on Wednesday nights, and she used to come and

2366
02:04:42,600 --> 02:04:43,960
Speaker 2: check us out and yah da da da da, And

2367
02:04:44,000 --> 02:04:45,600
Speaker 2: she always thought it was kind of whack as an MC.

2368
02:04:45,760 --> 02:04:49,360
Speaker 2: She didn't really like me. So we had recorded we

2369
02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:51,320
Speaker 2: had recorded Step into the Am and we were just

2370
02:04:51,400 --> 02:04:55,080
Speaker 2: finishing up the album and I get an invitation through

2371
02:04:55,200 --> 02:04:59,240
Speaker 2: Russell to Spike Lee's Do the Right Thing after party,

2372
02:05:00,440 --> 02:05:03,200
Speaker 2: right right, So I get a pass and it's for

2373
02:05:03,280 --> 02:05:08,400
Speaker 2: two people and and it's the date was March. Uh.

2374
02:05:08,720 --> 02:05:14,680
Speaker 2: It was like March eighteenth, and I called Bobido. I

2375
02:05:14,760 --> 02:05:16,960
Speaker 2: called my man, I call cool Bob Love. I'm like, Bob,

2376
02:05:17,040 --> 02:05:18,880
Speaker 2: come with me. He's like that. He's like, I'll meet

2377
02:05:18,920 --> 02:05:21,240
Speaker 2: you down there. I was like, all right, you know,

2378
02:05:21,440 --> 02:05:23,200
Speaker 2: doors open at six. What time are you gonna meet me.

2379
02:05:23,240 --> 02:05:25,360
Speaker 2: He's like, I'll meet you there like seven. So I

2380
02:05:25,440 --> 02:05:28,400
Speaker 2: get down there like five thirty, like a little early, right,

2381
02:05:28,440 --> 02:05:31,560
Speaker 2: and the crowd is like, so on hip hop of you? No,

2382
02:05:31,680 --> 02:05:33,760
Speaker 2: it's so, but it was an early party. Was it

2383
02:05:33,840 --> 02:05:35,800
Speaker 2: was a rap party. It wasn't like a hip hop party.

2384
02:05:35,880 --> 02:05:39,120
Speaker 2: Was Spike throwing a party? DJing like Red Alert was

2385
02:05:39,200 --> 02:05:42,320
Speaker 2: djaying And at the time, Red Alert was dating a

2386
02:05:42,360 --> 02:05:45,120
Speaker 2: girl named Darlene. And then there was another girl that

2387
02:05:45,240 --> 02:05:50,320
Speaker 2: was Sabrina, who was literally the first superhead of hip hop.

2388
02:05:50,480 --> 02:05:52,880
Speaker 2: Like she was like she was like that was that

2389
02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:55,080
Speaker 2: was and that was it was a claim to fame.

2390
02:05:55,120 --> 02:05:56,480
Speaker 2: And I went to high school with us, so like

2391
02:05:56,600 --> 02:05:59,160
Speaker 2: I kind of knew, like that was her ship. And

2392
02:05:59,240 --> 02:06:01,360
Speaker 2: then there was another girl, and there was another girl,

2393
02:06:01,360 --> 02:06:03,680
Speaker 2: and there was Chantelle and what was happening is my

2394
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:07,080
Speaker 2: man Big Daryl was doing the door and he was

2395
02:06:07,280 --> 02:06:08,920
Speaker 2: just taking the girls in one of the time because

2396
02:06:08,920 --> 02:06:11,120
Speaker 2: they didn't have passes, but he was like hooking them

2397
02:06:11,200 --> 02:06:14,280
Speaker 2: up and letting them in, and I was like, cool,

2398
02:06:14,360 --> 02:06:16,040
Speaker 2: you know, I'll just hang out and kick it with y'all.

2399
02:06:16,760 --> 02:06:18,720
Speaker 2: And I had my walkman and my cassette of my

2400
02:06:18,840 --> 02:06:21,680
Speaker 2: demo and the whole thing, and then I didn't see Barbido,

2401
02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:23,360
Speaker 2: so I went to the pay phone. He's like, yeah, man,

2402
02:06:23,400 --> 02:06:26,400
Speaker 2: I come in. I'm I'm not gonna be there, so

2403
02:06:26,640 --> 02:06:28,000
Speaker 2: I come back out and I was like, you know what,

2404
02:06:28,160 --> 02:06:30,160
Speaker 2: you guys go in, and when whoever's last, I can

2405
02:06:30,240 --> 02:06:31,800
Speaker 2: take them in with me because I got a plus one.

2406
02:06:32,720 --> 02:06:35,160
Speaker 2: So they all go in and Chantell is the last one,

2407
02:06:35,200 --> 02:06:36,600
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, you want to hear my demo?

2408
02:06:37,160 --> 02:06:40,280
Speaker 2: She's like cool and like she was always cool with

2409
02:06:40,400 --> 02:06:43,320
Speaker 2: like Q Tip and Fife, and she was always cool

2410
02:06:43,320 --> 02:06:45,120
Speaker 2: with everybody in the native tongue. So she had a

2411
02:06:45,160 --> 02:06:47,640
Speaker 2: really good ear. So I was like, damn, Chantell likes this,

2412
02:06:47,800 --> 02:06:51,360
Speaker 2: like so she listens to it and she goes it's cool,

2413
02:06:52,560 --> 02:06:56,840
Speaker 2: and I'm like whatever, be like whatever, this is absolutely

2414
02:06:56,920 --> 02:07:01,200
Speaker 2: going nowhere. So we walk in and Big Daryl says

2415
02:07:01,240 --> 02:07:03,480
Speaker 2: to me, yo, who's shorty? And I'm like, oh, that's

2416
02:07:03,520 --> 02:07:07,920
Speaker 2: my wife. And she goes, yeah, right and keeps it

2417
02:07:08,040 --> 02:07:11,000
Speaker 2: moving and keeps it moving. So I go one way,

2418
02:07:11,040 --> 02:07:14,000
Speaker 2: she goes the other. We're chilling. It's getting like late.

2419
02:07:14,680 --> 02:07:16,360
Speaker 2: The think tanker died on me. I don't have the

2420
02:07:16,400 --> 02:07:19,680
Speaker 2: think take anymore. I'm living in my parents' house and

2421
02:07:20,360 --> 02:07:22,960
Speaker 2: the Long Island Railroad that took me to my house

2422
02:07:23,000 --> 02:07:24,840
Speaker 2: because you didn't take that. I was done with the

2423
02:07:24,880 --> 02:07:28,600
Speaker 2: A train, the Long islandrail which was close to my parents' house.

2424
02:07:28,600 --> 02:07:30,600
Speaker 2: If you didn't get on like the one fifty seven

2425
02:07:30,920 --> 02:07:32,800
Speaker 2: or the midnight train, the next train was like six

2426
02:07:32,800 --> 02:07:35,760
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning with some dumb shit. So I'm

2427
02:07:35,840 --> 02:07:37,600
Speaker 2: like looking at my watch and I'm like, okay, I

2428
02:07:37,640 --> 02:07:39,600
Speaker 2: got a time this right, I got a time this right?

2429
02:07:39,640 --> 02:07:41,880
Speaker 2: You know, Da da da da da. I'm hanging out.

2430
02:07:41,920 --> 02:07:43,880
Speaker 2: I'm hanging out with Red yah da da. I'm bumping

2431
02:07:43,920 --> 02:07:45,880
Speaker 2: into Chantelle with making fun of people, and I'm like, oh,

2432
02:07:45,920 --> 02:07:48,120
Speaker 2: that's kind of funny. Ya da da da da. Red

2433
02:07:48,160 --> 02:07:51,400
Speaker 2: goes into his reggae session, you know, Barrington Levy like

2434
02:07:51,720 --> 02:07:54,000
Speaker 2: who'sia bon time and all. I'm like, oh, this is

2435
02:07:54,080 --> 02:07:54,480
Speaker 2: my shit.

2436
02:07:54,640 --> 02:07:55,080
Speaker 7: You can do that.

2437
02:07:55,400 --> 02:07:57,960
Speaker 2: Oh I can bogle like a muffucker. I don't get

2438
02:07:57,960 --> 02:08:01,760
Speaker 2: it twisted, don't get it fucked up. So I see

2439
02:08:01,840 --> 02:08:03,800
Speaker 2: Chantella and I'm like, oh, you want to dance. She's

2440
02:08:03,880 --> 02:08:06,880
Speaker 2: like yeah, So we're dancing. I'm like, damn, she kind

2441
02:08:06,920 --> 02:08:10,120
Speaker 2: of she's short, but she looked good, like you know,

2442
02:08:10,400 --> 02:08:14,240
Speaker 2: like she looked really good. So I'm like, all right,

2443
02:08:14,280 --> 02:08:15,840
Speaker 2: let's go kick it over here. And I'm like looking

2444
02:08:15,880 --> 02:08:17,200
Speaker 2: at the time, I'm like, you know, I only got

2445
02:08:17,240 --> 02:08:18,600
Speaker 2: a little bit of time to kick it with us

2446
02:08:18,600 --> 02:08:22,360
Speaker 2: because I gotta go. And I'm like, you know, we're

2447
02:08:22,400 --> 02:08:24,240
Speaker 2: talking and she's telling me she's kind of kicking in

2448
02:08:24,360 --> 02:08:27,080
Speaker 2: with k rock, EMPC, lights DJ and they're like kind

2449
02:08:27,080 --> 02:08:28,840
Speaker 2: of friends. And ya da da da da da dah.

2450
02:08:29,520 --> 02:08:30,880
Speaker 2: And I said to it, like, look, I'm gonna go.

2451
02:08:31,160 --> 02:08:32,400
Speaker 2: You mind if I give you a kiss ad night?

2452
02:08:32,440 --> 02:08:34,000
Speaker 2: She was like, yeah, mind if you give me because

2453
02:08:34,040 --> 02:08:37,520
Speaker 2: I don't even know you. I'm like, okay, like all good.

2454
02:08:37,840 --> 02:08:39,240
Speaker 2: So we're talking a little more, talking a little more.

2455
02:08:39,240 --> 02:08:40,640
Speaker 2: I'm looking at my watch. I'm like, yeah, I really

2456
02:08:40,640 --> 02:08:43,200
Speaker 2: gotta go. I'm like all right. I said, look, I

2457
02:08:43,280 --> 02:08:44,760
Speaker 2: really had a good time. It was great talking to you,

2458
02:08:44,960 --> 02:08:46,400
Speaker 2: you know, is it okay? If I give you a

2459
02:08:46,480 --> 02:08:50,000
Speaker 2: kiss good night, and she was like yeah, okay, and

2460
02:08:50,080 --> 02:08:54,200
Speaker 2: I kissed her and it was just fireworks, like I'd

2461
02:08:54,280 --> 02:09:00,160
Speaker 2: never felt like that from a kiss before. So there

2462
02:09:00,160 --> 02:09:04,280
Speaker 2: were these big fucking weather balloons attached to cinderblocks and

2463
02:09:04,400 --> 02:09:07,360
Speaker 2: real cool like rap party shit right like right corny,

2464
02:09:08,120 --> 02:09:14,800
Speaker 2: and I d dragged one over, just like what the

2465
02:09:14,880 --> 02:09:16,560
Speaker 2: fuck are you doing? And I said, this is what

2466
02:09:16,640 --> 02:09:18,400
Speaker 2: you're going to tell our grandchildren. I gave you as

2467
02:09:18,440 --> 02:09:20,960
Speaker 2: my first gift. I said, I gotta go, and she's like, no,

2468
02:09:21,040 --> 02:09:22,440
Speaker 2: you don't have to go. Why don't you just, you know,

2469
02:09:22,480 --> 02:09:24,120
Speaker 2: stay at our apartment And she was like, I was

2470
02:09:24,200 --> 02:09:28,480
Speaker 2: like what, She's like, relaxed, We got a sofa. So

2471
02:09:28,600 --> 02:09:31,000
Speaker 2: I stayed. And the next day, March nineteenth, was my

2472
02:09:31,080 --> 02:09:34,680
Speaker 2: dad's birthday, so I had to run back home and

2473
02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:37,640
Speaker 2: I celebrated with my dad real quick, and then I

2474
02:09:37,720 --> 02:09:40,160
Speaker 2: went back and we have been together ever since twenty

2475
02:09:40,200 --> 02:09:42,800
Speaker 2: eight years and that was what year was that? That

2476
02:09:42,880 --> 02:09:47,000
Speaker 2: was eighty nine? Yeah, and this is before then, before

2477
02:09:47,040 --> 02:09:48,440
Speaker 2: the record, oh yeah, even before.

2478
02:09:48,560 --> 02:09:51,080
Speaker 10: It feels like our first coust love Supreme love story.

2479
02:09:51,080 --> 02:09:52,040
Speaker 10: We don't really tell those.

2480
02:09:51,920 --> 02:09:52,920
Speaker 7: Twos around here.

2481
02:09:55,160 --> 02:09:57,400
Speaker 10: The day after Valentine's Day where we just talked about

2482
02:09:57,440 --> 02:09:58,480
Speaker 10: breakups for a good.

2483
02:09:58,360 --> 02:09:58,880
Speaker 1: Half and an hour.

2484
02:09:59,040 --> 02:10:04,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say as as a liner note junkie.

2485
02:10:06,240 --> 02:10:09,640
Speaker 1: No, I mean I remember, like I'm one of them

2486
02:10:09,680 --> 02:10:13,960
Speaker 1: dudes that remembers great liner notes from albums. But I

2487
02:10:14,040 --> 02:10:18,240
Speaker 1: don't know why this is. I got the Cactus CD.

2488
02:10:21,120 --> 02:10:23,520
Speaker 1: I got it the day before. By this point, I

2489
02:10:23,720 --> 02:10:26,680
Speaker 1: was working at a insurance agent, Like I was.

2490
02:10:27,160 --> 02:10:28,720
Speaker 7: Oh, we skipping love, Okay, I see what We're going

2491
02:10:29,040 --> 02:10:30,160
Speaker 7: back to Cactus Okay, no, no.

2492
02:10:30,200 --> 02:10:31,360
Speaker 2: No, hang on, hang on hand.

2493
02:10:32,160 --> 02:10:34,720
Speaker 1: But you know, it took me like an hour to

2494
02:10:34,800 --> 02:10:38,040
Speaker 1: get from my insurance job back to West Philadelphia.

2495
02:10:38,920 --> 02:10:41,600
Speaker 2: So you know, I get done work at eleven PM.

2496
02:10:42,720 --> 02:10:46,040
Speaker 1: So I remember, like you know, I'd listened to these

2497
02:10:46,120 --> 02:10:50,200
Speaker 1: CDs in my discman, and I remember reading the liner

2498
02:10:50,280 --> 02:10:53,400
Speaker 1: notes to the Cactus CD.

2499
02:10:53,360 --> 02:10:56,160
Speaker 2: Which was like fifteen pages long, like weis Everybody and

2500
02:10:56,240 --> 02:10:59,760
Speaker 2: their Mother exactly. It was literally our last album. Like

2501
02:10:59,800 --> 02:11:02,440
Speaker 2: I literally looked at it like this will never sell,

2502
02:11:02,680 --> 02:11:04,440
Speaker 2: Like we'll do a thousand units. I'll be cool in

2503
02:11:04,480 --> 02:11:06,840
Speaker 2: Brooklyn and we'll be dumped. I mean, I never thought

2504
02:11:06,880 --> 02:11:09,200
Speaker 2: we would ever have Why did it? Why did it

2505
02:11:09,240 --> 02:11:10,880
Speaker 2: sit for two years? Because he didn't think we had

2506
02:11:10,880 --> 02:11:12,760
Speaker 2: a hit. And when I did Step into the Am.

2507
02:11:12,880 --> 02:11:14,360
Speaker 2: Right after we did Step into the Am, we played

2508
02:11:14,360 --> 02:11:15,840
Speaker 2: it for Russell. He was like, Okay, we're gonna put

2509
02:11:15,880 --> 02:11:17,800
Speaker 2: the record out. And then two days later we got

2510
02:11:17,840 --> 02:11:19,680
Speaker 2: with Prince Paul and then we did Brooklyn Queens and

2511
02:11:19,720 --> 02:11:23,160
Speaker 2: gas Face. I see, okay, all right to.

2512
02:11:23,120 --> 02:11:28,600
Speaker 7: Wait, wait wait, we're going to Love Love Research.

2513
02:11:30,320 --> 02:11:32,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but ahead, I just want to get my point

2514
02:11:32,920 --> 02:11:37,080
Speaker 1: out that was that I was really seeing Chantale. I'll

2515
02:11:37,080 --> 02:11:40,800
Speaker 1: make an honest woman out of you. Yet on on

2516
02:11:41,680 --> 02:11:44,120
Speaker 1: the liner notes, like, I was like, Yo, that's that's

2517
02:11:44,120 --> 02:11:47,000
Speaker 1: some real ship. Like I don't know why that's always.

2518
02:11:46,680 --> 02:11:49,560
Speaker 2: Stuck with me. I'm even don't do that. That's a

2519
02:11:49,760 --> 02:11:51,880
Speaker 2: that's some real vulnerable ship to put out there. Yeah,

2520
02:11:51,880 --> 02:11:53,760
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I mean my wife and I left.

2521
02:11:53,760 --> 02:11:55,760
Speaker 2: All the time we've been together twenty eight years, three

2522
02:11:55,800 --> 02:11:58,520
Speaker 2: of them good and I mean just I mean we've

2523
02:11:58,560 --> 02:12:01,720
Speaker 2: all you know, listen, being married to an artist is Tom.

2524
02:12:01,680 --> 02:12:04,400
Speaker 1: Was going to say how it's tough. It's apropos that

2525
02:12:04,480 --> 02:12:05,800
Speaker 1: he's on our Valentine special.

2526
02:12:06,440 --> 02:12:12,280
Speaker 2: It really is. Yeah, you have probably one because a

2527
02:12:12,360 --> 02:12:15,080
Speaker 2: break up? What do you mean to break up? You

2528
02:12:15,160 --> 02:12:19,600
Speaker 2: just got with your girl. Hey, Hey, it's a long story.

2529
02:12:20,120 --> 02:12:22,920
Speaker 1: I mean, because the thing is is that to have

2530
02:12:23,640 --> 02:12:28,480
Speaker 1: true love, like the love you talking about, or to

2531
02:12:28,960 --> 02:12:32,800
Speaker 1: really grab the brass ring, I feel like you can

2532
02:12:32,960 --> 02:12:34,120
Speaker 1: only worship.

2533
02:12:34,200 --> 02:12:36,360
Speaker 4: Yeah he wanted God. Yeah he only thinks that. He

2534
02:12:36,440 --> 02:12:39,920
Speaker 4: doesn't think it's possible to like have a functional love life.

2535
02:12:40,080 --> 02:12:41,480
Speaker 2: And I guess.

2536
02:12:42,360 --> 02:12:44,880
Speaker 1: And the thing is, maybe I'm not being honest about

2537
02:12:44,960 --> 02:12:47,600
Speaker 1: what my goals are and what is a good woman

2538
02:12:47,720 --> 02:12:47,960
Speaker 1: to you?

2539
02:12:49,840 --> 02:12:52,520
Speaker 2: Just what you want to know that for anyway, I'm

2540
02:12:52,600 --> 02:12:55,040
Speaker 2: just saying, here's the here's the short of it, the

2541
02:12:55,120 --> 02:12:58,240
Speaker 2: long and short of There's nothing to teach because the

2542
02:12:58,320 --> 02:12:59,880
Speaker 2: truth of the matter is I was a fuck up

2543
02:13:00,080 --> 02:13:02,160
Speaker 2: or most of my marriage. I was a young I

2544
02:13:02,280 --> 02:13:05,000
Speaker 2: was young, dumb. I was running around, I was flirting

2545
02:13:05,040 --> 02:13:06,400
Speaker 2: with chicks in front of my girl, like I was

2546
02:13:06,480 --> 02:13:10,200
Speaker 2: being mad disrespectful. But I thought that, hey, if I

2547
02:13:10,400 --> 02:13:13,160
Speaker 2: just come home, I make money, that should be enough.

2548
02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:16,400
Speaker 2: And when I thought it wasn't enough, I was like, Okay,

2549
02:13:16,560 --> 02:13:20,360
Speaker 2: we'll have kids and that'll be enough. But that wasn't enough.

2550
02:13:22,200 --> 02:13:25,879
Speaker 2: The one thing I have to say, in all honesty

2551
02:13:26,400 --> 02:13:30,400
Speaker 2: is that the only reason I know unconditional love is

2552
02:13:30,440 --> 02:13:33,720
Speaker 2: because of she can't tell because I know I didn't

2553
02:13:33,800 --> 02:13:38,080
Speaker 2: give her unconditional love for most of our marriage. I

2554
02:13:38,760 --> 02:13:41,000
Speaker 2: sat my girl down when we first moved into our

2555
02:13:41,000 --> 02:13:44,680
Speaker 2: apartment and I said to her, to her face, you

2556
02:13:44,800 --> 02:13:47,160
Speaker 2: are second to my music, and if you can't live

2557
02:13:47,240 --> 02:13:48,280
Speaker 2: with that, there's the door.

2558
02:13:48,400 --> 02:13:51,200
Speaker 7: I've heard that. I've said that, Yes, I've been on

2559
02:13:51,240 --> 02:13:51,720
Speaker 7: the other end.

2560
02:13:51,880 --> 02:13:56,880
Speaker 2: You said second, yes, And she looked at me and

2561
02:13:57,000 --> 02:13:58,840
Speaker 2: she said, I'll give you two and a half years

2562
02:13:58,840 --> 02:14:00,880
Speaker 2: of my life and if you don't wife me, I'm

2563
02:14:00,880 --> 02:14:03,680
Speaker 2: out the door. And I said, fair enough.

2564
02:14:03,840 --> 02:14:05,360
Speaker 7: At what point in the relationship, I'm sorry, was this

2565
02:14:05,400 --> 02:14:05,680
Speaker 7: what year?

2566
02:14:05,720 --> 02:14:07,760
Speaker 2: I'm just here. We moved in in June of nineteen

2567
02:14:07,800 --> 02:14:10,120
Speaker 2: eighty nine. I married her in November nineteen ninety one.

2568
02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:15,160
Speaker 2: Made it right? So similar to that? Yeah, no, no,

2569
02:14:16,120 --> 02:14:18,600
Speaker 2: it's very true. It's absolutely true. And you know, and

2570
02:14:18,680 --> 02:14:21,080
Speaker 2: I knew, like there was a lot of turmoil in

2571
02:14:21,160 --> 02:14:23,080
Speaker 2: my life in ninety one, the band was breaking up,

2572
02:14:23,200 --> 02:14:25,080
Speaker 2: like I was really like there was a lot of

2573
02:14:25,240 --> 02:14:27,240
Speaker 2: ugliness in my life, and she was the one light

2574
02:14:27,920 --> 02:14:29,960
Speaker 2: that I was like, Yo, I gotta do right by her,

2575
02:14:30,120 --> 02:14:31,960
Speaker 2: Like that's the one thing I gotta do, Like I

2576
02:14:32,040 --> 02:14:35,800
Speaker 2: gotta do right. But I didn't, even even though I

2577
02:14:35,920 --> 02:14:39,320
Speaker 2: was raised in a family, an insulated family. Mother and father.

2578
02:14:39,760 --> 02:14:42,440
Speaker 2: They were neurotic Jews from New York. Like they they

2579
02:14:42,600 --> 02:14:44,360
Speaker 2: talked by yelling at each other, like you know what

2580
02:14:44,360 --> 02:14:46,280
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like say that like it's a bad thing.

2581
02:14:48,880 --> 02:14:51,360
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So like when we would

2582
02:14:51,400 --> 02:14:54,040
Speaker 2: have loving conversations, I'm like, no, this shit is wrong,

2583
02:14:54,200 --> 02:14:55,880
Speaker 2: Like I gotta go fuck up so that we can

2584
02:14:55,920 --> 02:14:58,600
Speaker 2: start yelling at each other and have a relationship, you

2585
02:14:58,680 --> 02:15:01,760
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like you know. And we got

2586
02:15:01,800 --> 02:15:04,520
Speaker 2: to a point where she was like, I want to

2587
02:15:04,560 --> 02:15:08,120
Speaker 2: know everything. This was about six months ago. She said,

2588
02:15:08,120 --> 02:15:10,520
Speaker 2: I want to know everything. She because I need to

2589
02:15:10,560 --> 02:15:16,240
Speaker 2: know everything everything, everything, mean everything everything? Does she really

2590
02:15:16,280 --> 02:15:20,320
Speaker 2: want to know? She really wanted to So I wrote

2591
02:15:20,360 --> 02:15:23,760
Speaker 2: it down. I wrote it down in a letter everything.

2592
02:15:23,880 --> 02:15:24,800
Speaker 7: How long was that letter?

2593
02:15:25,000 --> 02:15:27,160
Speaker 2: I ain't lying whatever? You know? Some letter right?

2594
02:15:27,280 --> 02:15:27,480
Speaker 1: More?

2595
02:15:29,080 --> 02:15:31,800
Speaker 2: Nine pages? About to say, boy, that's yeah, nine pages?

2596
02:15:32,560 --> 02:15:36,560
Speaker 2: And it was It was tough. And to watch the

2597
02:15:36,640 --> 02:15:39,600
Speaker 2: pain in her face, to see the ship was tough.

2598
02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:47,200
Speaker 2: And yet and still she said, okay, okay, I love

2599
02:15:47,280 --> 02:15:50,320
Speaker 2: you unconditionally, rich or poor, sickness and in health to

2600
02:15:50,400 --> 02:15:53,960
Speaker 2: death to his part, I will work on this with you.

2601
02:15:54,120 --> 02:15:56,960
Speaker 2: We will work on this together. We will build. We

2602
02:15:57,040 --> 02:15:59,960
Speaker 2: will rebuild what you destroyed. And if we can't read

2603
02:16:00,040 --> 02:16:03,560
Speaker 2: build it, I'm out. You know this six months ago,

2604
02:16:03,680 --> 02:16:07,600
Speaker 2: this was wow. Yeah, that's amazing because it's what led

2605
02:16:08,160 --> 02:16:08,680
Speaker 2: to that point.

2606
02:16:08,840 --> 02:16:10,880
Speaker 4: Was that a part of your recovery, that something you No,

2607
02:16:11,000 --> 02:16:12,600
Speaker 4: it wasn't really just about my recovery.

2608
02:16:12,640 --> 02:16:16,600
Speaker 2: It was just I just needed that. Quan Slay's funny

2609
02:16:16,600 --> 02:16:18,720
Speaker 2: because Matthew's here and I'm like, damn, Matthew should have

2610
02:16:18,760 --> 02:16:22,840
Speaker 2: left a long time ago, right, Matthew. I told Matthew,

2611
02:16:22,920 --> 02:16:25,240
Speaker 2: And it was like, damn, I just got to grow

2612
02:16:25,280 --> 02:16:27,560
Speaker 2: the fuck up, Like I'm forty nine years old. I

2613
02:16:27,560 --> 02:16:30,600
Speaker 2: got to grow the fuck up like this is this

2614
02:16:30,840 --> 02:16:34,320
Speaker 2: is like the woman I've been with like forever, and

2615
02:16:34,520 --> 02:16:37,200
Speaker 2: she put up with me forever, and she gave me

2616
02:16:37,320 --> 02:16:41,840
Speaker 2: three amazing kids, and she like sacrificed and like, and

2617
02:16:42,840 --> 02:16:45,080
Speaker 2: I gotta make the next fifty years as good as

2618
02:16:45,760 --> 02:16:47,400
Speaker 2: you know, I gotta make I gotta.

2619
02:16:47,160 --> 02:16:49,240
Speaker 7: Make it right because music ain't gonna wipe your ass.

2620
02:16:49,360 --> 02:16:52,359
Speaker 2: No, music ain't gonna feed you. No, You're damn sure, right, Music.

2621
02:16:52,200 --> 02:16:53,800
Speaker 7: Ain't gonna help you when you're in the hospital all

2622
02:16:53,879 --> 02:16:54,280
Speaker 7: that stuff.

2623
02:16:54,320 --> 02:16:56,880
Speaker 2: So, you know, but music got me the life that

2624
02:16:56,959 --> 02:17:00,720
Speaker 2: we had. Music got you know, music took us around

2625
02:17:00,760 --> 02:17:04,600
Speaker 2: the world. Music got my kids into private university. Music

2626
02:17:05,120 --> 02:17:08,280
Speaker 2: got my kids to go on vacations. Music got me

2627
02:17:08,440 --> 02:17:10,840
Speaker 2: to build Echo on limited clothing. Music got me to

2628
02:17:10,879 --> 02:17:13,720
Speaker 2: be the head of promotions at Deaf Jam. Music got

2629
02:17:13,800 --> 02:17:16,360
Speaker 2: me the morning show at JLB. Music got me the

2630
02:17:16,440 --> 02:17:19,040
Speaker 2: White Rapper Show. Music got me Missrap, Supreme music got

2631
02:17:19,120 --> 02:17:22,160
Speaker 2: me Goo. Music got me you know, all of the things,

2632
02:17:22,200 --> 02:17:25,040
Speaker 2: all the blessings that I have is because of hip hop.

2633
02:17:25,959 --> 02:17:28,840
Speaker 2: And she is the biggest blessing and I took advantage

2634
02:17:28,879 --> 02:17:31,119
Speaker 2: of that for most of our marriage. And now it's

2635
02:17:31,160 --> 02:17:32,320
Speaker 2: about time to give back.

2636
02:17:33,800 --> 02:17:39,680
Speaker 1: Is about return if I were a cat that you know,

2637
02:17:39,920 --> 02:17:42,600
Speaker 1: because again I'm in the being in it. We're all

2638
02:17:42,640 --> 02:17:47,280
Speaker 1: in the industry, right and you know the challenges in

2639
02:17:47,400 --> 02:17:50,199
Speaker 1: the in the in the obstacles and all that stuff.

2640
02:17:52,240 --> 02:17:55,240
Speaker 1: I don't I couldn't do that with not a not

2641
02:17:55,320 --> 02:17:59,880
Speaker 1: a straight face, like just the confess no no, no, no,

2642
02:18:00,040 --> 02:18:03,320
Speaker 1: I meant just doing dirt and you know, cover my

2643
02:18:03,520 --> 02:18:04,120
Speaker 1: tracks and.

2644
02:18:06,080 --> 02:18:07,119
Speaker 2: It's like it's.

2645
02:18:08,560 --> 02:18:10,640
Speaker 1: But then on the other side, it's like, does that

2646
02:18:10,720 --> 02:18:14,400
Speaker 1: make me a self saboteury when I know, like, all right, well,

2647
02:18:15,280 --> 02:18:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, I know that one I'm more committed to

2648
02:18:19,760 --> 02:18:23,560
Speaker 1: my career than I am a real sustainable relationship.

2649
02:18:23,760 --> 02:18:24,480
Speaker 2: And I'm more.

2650
02:18:25,879 --> 02:18:28,120
Speaker 1: You know, I know that I might get bored or

2651
02:18:28,480 --> 02:18:32,760
Speaker 1: might fuck up or like I'd rather debt it and

2652
02:18:33,280 --> 02:18:36,199
Speaker 1: not fuck up or be the bad guy than.

2653
02:18:36,240 --> 02:18:39,200
Speaker 7: To waste somebody's time.

2654
02:18:39,280 --> 02:18:41,080
Speaker 4: Well, I don't well, I don't think that, you know

2655
02:18:41,080 --> 02:18:43,279
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. I don't think that it's necessarily wrong

2656
02:18:43,520 --> 02:18:47,720
Speaker 4: to be to say, Okay, you know, my career comes first,

2657
02:18:47,800 --> 02:18:49,440
Speaker 4: and you know, say, I don't think it's anything wrong

2658
02:18:49,480 --> 02:18:51,000
Speaker 4: with that. Honestly, I think it's kind of necessary.

2659
02:18:51,200 --> 02:18:53,480
Speaker 2: Like with music, and I can say this, and I

2660
02:18:53,560 --> 02:18:56,640
Speaker 2: know font's gonna appreciate this. When you make a great song.

2661
02:18:57,280 --> 02:19:00,000
Speaker 2: The only joy I've ever had greater than making great

2662
02:19:00,000 --> 02:19:03,680
Speaker 2: eight songs watching my children come into this work that

2663
02:19:03,959 --> 02:19:06,000
Speaker 2: I mean, and I hate to say that, Like I

2664
02:19:06,200 --> 02:19:09,440
Speaker 2: love my wife. I've had amazing moments with my wife.

2665
02:19:09,520 --> 02:19:14,120
Speaker 2: We've been to amazing places. But when I laid the

2666
02:19:14,240 --> 02:19:20,039
Speaker 2: verse for gas Face, it took one take, like I've

2667
02:19:20,080 --> 02:19:24,880
Speaker 2: had moments where that song has like transformed people's lives.

2668
02:19:24,920 --> 02:19:27,840
Speaker 2: I had a kid, I was in DC. I was

2669
02:19:27,920 --> 02:19:31,840
Speaker 2: at the Children's hospital for kids, were terminally ill children,

2670
02:19:32,360 --> 02:19:34,320
Speaker 2: and we Cactus album just came out and we went

2671
02:19:34,400 --> 02:19:36,200
Speaker 2: to make a visit. We were with a station there

2672
02:19:36,240 --> 02:19:39,680
Speaker 2: called PGC, and we made a visit and this kid

2673
02:19:39,760 --> 02:19:41,640
Speaker 2: came up to me and he said, black cat is

2674
02:19:41,680 --> 02:19:43,600
Speaker 2: bad luck. Bad guys were black. Must have been a

2675
02:19:43,600 --> 02:19:45,760
Speaker 2: white guy that started all that. And I looked up

2676
02:19:46,560 --> 02:19:48,840
Speaker 2: and there's about ten nurses behind him and his mother

2677
02:19:48,920 --> 02:19:52,200
Speaker 2: and they're bawling, and I just and he hugged me,

2678
02:19:52,240 --> 02:19:54,400
Speaker 2: and I hugged them and I'm like, yo, you spit

2679
02:19:54,520 --> 02:19:57,480
Speaker 2: some good rhyme, shorty. And he went and he went

2680
02:19:57,600 --> 02:19:59,120
Speaker 2: back and they came over to me and they said

2681
02:19:59,160 --> 02:20:04,560
Speaker 2: that's the first words said in his life. Oh whoa wow.

2682
02:20:04,800 --> 02:20:07,440
Speaker 2: And then I started palling, you know what I mean. Like,

2683
02:20:07,520 --> 02:20:10,240
Speaker 2: I've had moments where like we went to London and

2684
02:20:10,360 --> 02:20:12,560
Speaker 2: did gas face at a time where there was a

2685
02:20:12,640 --> 02:20:17,080
Speaker 2: British literally almost an overthrow called the poll tax. That

2686
02:20:17,240 --> 02:20:19,400
Speaker 2: was Parliament was trying to make a tax where they

2687
02:20:19,520 --> 02:20:22,200
Speaker 2: said that every member in a household had to pay

2688
02:20:22,240 --> 02:20:25,920
Speaker 2: a tax. So it really affected poor people because they

2689
02:20:26,000 --> 02:20:29,880
Speaker 2: had large like especially in Brixton and Brighton. In a

2690
02:20:29,959 --> 02:20:32,480
Speaker 2: hood you'd have ten or twelve people living under a

2691
02:20:32,600 --> 02:20:36,440
Speaker 2: roof and it would literally be like a year's salary

2692
02:20:36,720 --> 02:20:40,680
Speaker 2: just in tax. And there was graffiti everywhere, and I mean,

2693
02:20:40,760 --> 02:20:43,960
Speaker 2: I'm talking about like burning streets and people walking. And

2694
02:20:44,080 --> 02:20:46,120
Speaker 2: we're on tour with Pe and we do a show

2695
02:20:46,160 --> 02:20:49,040
Speaker 2: in Brixton and we're opening and we're about to do

2696
02:20:49,160 --> 02:20:51,480
Speaker 2: gas face and shut it down and I turned off.

2697
02:20:51,560 --> 02:20:53,920
Speaker 2: I told Rich cut the music and I went black

2698
02:20:54,000 --> 02:20:57,360
Speaker 2: cat as bad luck. Bad guys wear black must have

2699
02:20:57,400 --> 02:20:59,520
Speaker 2: been the same queen as set up the poll tax

2700
02:21:01,760 --> 02:21:05,640
Speaker 2: play started going crazy, people ran into the streets. The

2701
02:21:05,720 --> 02:21:09,080
Speaker 2: show was over the next day. The daily like third

2702
02:21:09,160 --> 02:21:12,440
Speaker 2: Base sets riots in Brixton and Yata and we're like

2703
02:21:12,560 --> 02:21:15,160
Speaker 2: in BBC and like tell us how you and I mean,

2704
02:21:15,959 --> 02:21:19,040
Speaker 2: but the only moments that I can equate to that

2705
02:21:20,080 --> 02:21:22,960
Speaker 2: is watching my like my children come into this world,

2706
02:21:23,080 --> 02:21:27,480
Speaker 2: like watching my wife give birth to our kids. Like music,

2707
02:21:28,040 --> 02:21:33,320
Speaker 2: there's something so powerful about music that defines and goes,

2708
02:21:33,560 --> 02:21:36,400
Speaker 2: especially for a musician. I'm not talking about music lovers.

2709
02:21:36,840 --> 02:21:40,400
Speaker 2: There are certain levels of music lovers, but creative people

2710
02:21:40,560 --> 02:21:44,120
Speaker 2: that have this gift from the most high that they

2711
02:21:44,240 --> 02:21:48,080
Speaker 2: can take something transcribed and then record it and then

2712
02:21:48,160 --> 02:21:50,280
Speaker 2: spend the hours in the studio to mix it and

2713
02:21:50,400 --> 02:21:52,960
Speaker 2: get it right and master it and then have it

2714
02:21:53,080 --> 02:21:56,160
Speaker 2: touch somebody six months later, and then a year later,

2715
02:21:56,600 --> 02:21:59,360
Speaker 2: and then five years later, and then ten years later

2716
02:21:59,680 --> 02:22:03,320
Speaker 2: and twenty years later. I mean, that's like, that's like giving,

2717
02:22:03,520 --> 02:22:05,960
Speaker 2: That's like raising a child, you know what I'm saying.

2718
02:22:06,000 --> 02:22:08,280
Speaker 2: And it's and and again. It's like one of the

2719
02:22:08,400 --> 02:22:12,720
Speaker 2: things that like, really I'm passionate about more than anything.

2720
02:22:13,360 --> 02:22:16,080
Speaker 2: Is this what I like to call a social music commune,

2721
02:22:16,120 --> 02:22:20,360
Speaker 2: about people that speak the language of music, not different

2722
02:22:20,480 --> 02:22:24,160
Speaker 2: languages or not different creeds or races or just who

2723
02:22:24,440 --> 02:22:27,800
Speaker 2: all speak the language of music, that have a mutual

2724
02:22:28,520 --> 02:22:32,120
Speaker 2: love of music. And about two years ago, my daughter

2725
02:22:32,200 --> 02:22:33,680
Speaker 2: came to me and she said, Dad, you know when

2726
02:22:33,720 --> 02:22:35,720
Speaker 2: I when I meet people, whether it's on Tender or

2727
02:22:35,800 --> 02:22:39,680
Speaker 2: Facebook or you know whatever, everybody always asks me like

2728
02:22:40,120 --> 02:22:42,119
Speaker 2: what kind of music I listened to? What's the first

2729
02:22:42,720 --> 02:22:44,520
Speaker 2: album I bought? Where did I you know, what show

2730
02:22:44,560 --> 02:22:47,240
Speaker 2: did I go to? And it's a connector And she said,

2731
02:22:47,480 --> 02:22:50,080
Speaker 2: is there is there an app out there that connects

2732
02:22:50,120 --> 02:22:52,320
Speaker 2: people on their mutual love of music.

2733
02:22:52,480 --> 02:22:52,800
Speaker 7: Haha.

2734
02:22:53,680 --> 02:22:57,480
Speaker 2: And I was like, huh huh. So I called my

2735
02:22:57,600 --> 02:23:00,360
Speaker 2: partner Ben, who is in Silicon Valley, and we spent

2736
02:23:00,440 --> 02:23:03,400
Speaker 2: six months and there was a couple of iterations. People

2737
02:23:03,480 --> 02:23:07,240
Speaker 2: tried it and they failed, and I met Matthew, my partner,

2738
02:23:07,760 --> 02:23:10,240
Speaker 2: and we built an app called a DO, and a

2739
02:23:10,360 --> 02:23:14,160
Speaker 2: DO is literally a social music commune that we're getting

2740
02:23:14,200 --> 02:23:17,400
Speaker 2: ready to put into beta that literally connects people on

2741
02:23:17,480 --> 02:23:20,040
Speaker 2: a mutual love of music. So whatever music you have

2742
02:23:20,160 --> 02:23:26,200
Speaker 2: in your your mobile device, the app will suck it

2743
02:23:26,320 --> 02:23:29,680
Speaker 2: in and break it down into genres. BPM's the music

2744
02:23:29,760 --> 02:23:32,000
Speaker 2: that you listen to the most. The algorithm will literally

2745
02:23:32,120 --> 02:23:34,240
Speaker 2: feed that. And then we put out what's called a

2746
02:23:34,320 --> 02:23:36,960
Speaker 2: tuner in a thousand mile radius and somebody else you

2747
02:23:37,040 --> 02:23:39,840
Speaker 2: can connect with and you can get we say you

2748
02:23:39,879 --> 02:23:42,240
Speaker 2: can get in tune with them. You can tune in

2749
02:23:42,360 --> 02:23:44,560
Speaker 2: or tune out. So when you tune in, it'll say,

2750
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:47,120
Speaker 2: oh shit, funk got these songs. This is what we

2751
02:23:47,200 --> 02:23:48,840
Speaker 2: have in common, but this is what we don't have

2752
02:23:48,959 --> 02:23:51,720
Speaker 2: in common, Like I got like a j Cole like

2753
02:23:52,520 --> 02:23:56,240
Speaker 2: lights please unreleased joint that you might not even know

2754
02:23:56,360 --> 02:23:59,640
Speaker 2: about and you'll see it on your device, because this

2755
02:23:59,720 --> 02:24:02,320
Speaker 2: is the music that we don't share, and you'll send

2756
02:24:02,400 --> 02:24:04,280
Speaker 2: me a share button. I'll show you the app. When

2757
02:24:04,280 --> 02:24:06,320
Speaker 2: we leave, you'll send me a share and I can

2758
02:24:06,400 --> 02:24:09,960
Speaker 2: send you that song and we can build and then

2759
02:24:09,959 --> 02:24:11,720
Speaker 2: we have a whole chat about it. We can build

2760
02:24:11,760 --> 02:24:15,320
Speaker 2: and break bread just on music. And we're doing the beta.

2761
02:24:15,520 --> 02:24:17,600
Speaker 2: We're doing the beta now like we're setting the beta,

2762
02:24:17,640 --> 02:24:19,400
Speaker 2: and if you want to get on the beta, go

2763
02:24:19,480 --> 02:24:22,000
Speaker 2: to beta at get a do a due dot com.

2764
02:24:22,120 --> 02:24:24,760
Speaker 2: But it's that language that we all speak. It's the

2765
02:24:24,840 --> 02:24:28,280
Speaker 2: language you've spoken since you're eight years old. Bro, It's

2766
02:24:28,320 --> 02:24:32,840
Speaker 2: that language of music. And now I feel like if John.

2767
02:24:32,959 --> 02:24:38,320
Speaker 1: Who loves Son of Berserks changed the style. Yeah, wife,

2768
02:24:38,440 --> 02:24:39,800
Speaker 1: right there there is our marrier.

2769
02:24:45,080 --> 02:24:46,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, it sounded good though.

2770
02:24:46,480 --> 02:24:52,720
Speaker 2: That was nice set up. No, No, that's real. Because music,

2771
02:24:52,800 --> 02:24:54,960
Speaker 2: I think the music into I mean, I think that's

2772
02:24:55,360 --> 02:24:57,480
Speaker 2: it's such a big part of that reflects. It's such

2773
02:24:57,520 --> 02:24:59,320
Speaker 2: a big part. It's such a big part of who

2774
02:24:59,360 --> 02:25:02,480
Speaker 2: you are. And especially for us who are old enough

2775
02:25:02,560 --> 02:25:04,960
Speaker 2: to say, okay, we we knew Ohio players, but we

2776
02:25:05,000 --> 02:25:08,080
Speaker 2: also knew talking heads, and we also knew rapture, but

2777
02:25:08,200 --> 02:25:11,640
Speaker 2: we also knew Parliament Funkadelic, and we watched it develop

2778
02:25:11,760 --> 02:25:14,760
Speaker 2: into the Last Poets or the Last Poets developed into

2779
02:25:14,840 --> 02:25:17,760
Speaker 2: Lord Tim, and Lord Tim developed into sugar Hill, and

2780
02:25:17,800 --> 02:25:21,840
Speaker 2: sugar Hill developed, and we were we were privileged enough

2781
02:25:22,760 --> 02:25:24,880
Speaker 2: to be a part of that, to be a part

2782
02:25:24,959 --> 02:25:28,680
Speaker 2: of that, that language that we all got to speak,

2783
02:25:28,800 --> 02:25:30,360
Speaker 2: even though people you know what I'm saying.

2784
02:25:30,760 --> 02:25:32,720
Speaker 10: But it's interesting though, because let me ask the search

2785
02:25:32,800 --> 02:25:36,039
Speaker 10: because you're a big businessman of course, publishing a music industry,

2786
02:25:36,200 --> 02:25:37,000
Speaker 10: So how do you do this?

2787
02:25:37,160 --> 02:25:40,119
Speaker 7: How do you do this app and with the whole

2788
02:25:40,400 --> 02:25:42,920
Speaker 7: royalty thing and sharing? Does that come to a place.

2789
02:25:43,560 --> 02:25:46,400
Speaker 2: No, So just so we're clear, we're not a streaming service. Okay,

2790
02:25:46,760 --> 02:25:48,480
Speaker 2: that's a four letter word for me, Like I'm not

2791
02:25:48,600 --> 02:25:51,039
Speaker 2: gonna stream music, Like I'm not getting into that shit.

2792
02:25:51,440 --> 02:25:54,600
Speaker 2: The basis is very simple. You already owned the music

2793
02:25:54,680 --> 02:25:57,720
Speaker 2: that's on your playlist. You already owned the music that's

2794
02:25:57,760 --> 02:26:01,000
Speaker 2: in your library, not a playlist, your catalog. You already

2795
02:26:01,080 --> 02:26:03,640
Speaker 2: own that. So when you share it with me, I

2796
02:26:03,720 --> 02:26:05,879
Speaker 2: can listen to it, or I can buy it myself.

2797
02:26:06,720 --> 02:26:09,120
Speaker 2: I don't just have to keep it when you play

2798
02:26:09,120 --> 02:26:11,160
Speaker 2: it for me, I'll get a chance to listen to it,

2799
02:26:11,480 --> 02:26:12,960
Speaker 2: and I say, damn, I like that, and then I

2800
02:26:13,040 --> 02:26:16,600
Speaker 2: can press another button in my tuner and I can

2801
02:26:16,640 --> 02:26:19,119
Speaker 2: buy the record. But we won't be a streaming service.

2802
02:26:19,200 --> 02:26:22,720
Speaker 2: That's not what we're about. We're about people connecting on music.

2803
02:26:22,800 --> 02:26:25,480
Speaker 2: So an another thing we have is called the en

2804
02:26:25,600 --> 02:26:28,640
Speaker 2: sync option, where Sam might be walking by me and

2805
02:26:28,720 --> 02:26:31,880
Speaker 2: he'd be listening to Masters of Ceremony right, and then

2806
02:26:31,959 --> 02:26:33,800
Speaker 2: I'm happen to listen the same thing, and we'll get

2807
02:26:33,800 --> 02:26:36,160
Speaker 2: a ping and be like, oh shit, Sam's listening to

2808
02:26:36,160 --> 02:26:38,199
Speaker 2: the same song you're listening to. You care to tune

2809
02:26:38,240 --> 02:26:41,080
Speaker 2: in and we can tune in and then boom, I

2810
02:26:41,160 --> 02:26:44,120
Speaker 2: get his entire library. He gets my entire library, and

2811
02:26:44,160 --> 02:26:46,480
Speaker 2: I say, hey, what's up man, I'm Michael, Oh what's up?

2812
02:26:46,520 --> 02:26:49,840
Speaker 2: I'm Sam? Like, Yo, you got that Beacy Boy cookie? Push? Shit? Yo?

2813
02:26:50,000 --> 02:26:51,760
Speaker 2: Can you share that with me? And then he can

2814
02:26:51,800 --> 02:26:53,840
Speaker 2: share it with me in a matter of seconds, and

2815
02:26:53,920 --> 02:26:55,720
Speaker 2: then I can either buy it or I can go

2816
02:26:55,800 --> 02:26:59,520
Speaker 2: to you and say, damn, yo, amir, you remember this cookie? Pushit?

2817
02:27:00,160 --> 02:27:01,920
Speaker 2: Share it with you. You know what I mean? And

2818
02:27:02,080 --> 02:27:04,680
Speaker 2: it's that language of music, and that's a positive thing.

2819
02:27:04,760 --> 02:27:08,480
Speaker 2: In twenty seventeen. That you know, that's one good positive thing. Yeah,

2820
02:27:09,200 --> 02:27:12,680
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, that's but ters.

2821
02:27:12,720 --> 02:27:15,120
Speaker 10: You just named like about five thousand businesses as you did,

2822
02:27:15,200 --> 02:27:16,600
Speaker 10: like it was from the TV shows.

2823
02:27:16,680 --> 02:27:18,080
Speaker 7: Because this is what I know of you.

2824
02:27:18,280 --> 02:27:21,040
Speaker 10: Your finger is always on the precipice of greatness before

2825
02:27:21,080 --> 02:27:23,279
Speaker 10: we know it, because you know even what you introduced

2826
02:27:23,320 --> 02:27:25,560
Speaker 10: me personally to Nouveau before it was the big thing.

2827
02:27:26,320 --> 02:27:28,280
Speaker 2: Why what is it? How you know? How do you know?

2828
02:27:28,600 --> 02:27:30,959
Speaker 2: I've just been I you know, it's funny. I've really

2829
02:27:31,040 --> 02:27:35,080
Speaker 2: been blessed in my life to be around trailblazers, and

2830
02:27:35,160 --> 02:27:38,480
Speaker 2: I've really watched them really really closely. I watched Russell

2831
02:27:38,520 --> 02:27:41,320
Speaker 2: and le Or build Deaf Jam Brick brought Brick. I

2832
02:27:41,440 --> 02:27:44,960
Speaker 2: watched Mark Echo build Echo Unlimited brick by Brick. I

2833
02:27:45,120 --> 02:27:49,680
Speaker 2: watched Russell take deaf Jam from its depths and bring

2834
02:27:49,760 --> 02:27:53,280
Speaker 2: it back brick by Brick. I watched you know. So

2835
02:27:53,760 --> 02:28:01,080
Speaker 2: I've been able to like learn, churn and earn based

2836
02:28:01,120 --> 02:28:03,280
Speaker 2: on all the knowledge I got. I've been so blessed

2837
02:28:03,320 --> 02:28:05,280
Speaker 2: to be around these people. I ask a lot of questions.

2838
02:28:05,280 --> 02:28:07,440
Speaker 2: That's why my boys call me search because I'm always

2839
02:28:07,480 --> 02:28:10,520
Speaker 2: looking for the answer. I'm always asking questions. I'm always

2840
02:28:10,959 --> 02:28:13,280
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what the next thing is, what

2841
02:28:13,400 --> 02:28:16,400
Speaker 2: the next thing is. And for me when my daughter,

2842
02:28:16,640 --> 02:28:18,280
Speaker 2: you know, and again my mother said it to me.

2843
02:28:18,360 --> 02:28:22,360
Speaker 2: She goes, you really won't understand what you created until

2844
02:28:23,560 --> 02:28:27,200
Speaker 2: you have your own children. And she said in a letter,

2845
02:28:27,320 --> 02:28:31,000
Speaker 2: And my daughter Mayana created a do what that was?

2846
02:28:32,280 --> 02:28:35,400
Speaker 2: It was her idea. She was a senior. She was

2847
02:28:35,440 --> 02:28:39,400
Speaker 2: going to be a senior at the university and shout

2848
02:28:39,400 --> 02:28:42,960
Speaker 2: out to the canes. So it's it's all of that

2849
02:28:43,280 --> 02:28:45,920
Speaker 2: playing itself. It's that born to born, you know what

2850
02:28:45,920 --> 02:28:49,280
Speaker 2: I'm saying. It's that that recycle. And I'm going to

2851
02:28:49,320 --> 02:28:52,040
Speaker 2: say something that might offend you a mirror, but I

2852
02:28:52,160 --> 02:28:55,440
Speaker 2: think the greatest tragedy in your life right now is

2853
02:28:55,480 --> 02:28:58,480
Speaker 2: that you don't have children. And I think that that

2854
02:28:58,800 --> 02:29:03,120
Speaker 2: to me. But the child that you're going to create

2855
02:29:04,120 --> 02:29:07,440
Speaker 2: is going to be so impassioned by so many things

2856
02:29:07,480 --> 02:29:09,360
Speaker 2: that develop who you are as a human being. And

2857
02:29:09,480 --> 02:29:12,960
Speaker 2: it's why I've had a friendship with you for so long,

2858
02:29:13,040 --> 02:29:16,360
Speaker 2: because you are true passionate artists.

2859
02:29:16,560 --> 02:29:19,080
Speaker 1: I assure you kids are coming, ladies and gentlemen, I

2860
02:29:19,160 --> 02:29:28,680
Speaker 1: hope so search we haven't even got to Darrel's. We

2861
02:29:28,760 --> 02:29:31,520
Speaker 1: got a half hour. I know, Okay, that's gonna be

2862
02:29:31,600 --> 02:29:32,760
Speaker 1: like a normal ass interview.

2863
02:29:33,200 --> 02:29:36,240
Speaker 2: Man. So you were talking about that dark period and

2864
02:29:36,280 --> 02:29:38,120
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you about that. I know, I know,

2865
02:29:38,520 --> 02:29:41,200
Speaker 2: all right, rapid fire question. Yeah, okay, So.

2866
02:29:41,240 --> 02:29:45,520
Speaker 4: Dere looks that that was an album that I admittedly

2867
02:29:45,640 --> 02:29:49,320
Speaker 4: I was disappointed in and it was just to me,

2868
02:29:49,480 --> 02:29:51,000
Speaker 4: it's just and let me tell you why. I mean,

2869
02:29:51,200 --> 02:29:52,840
Speaker 4: look and listen to it now, it's like, oh, this

2870
02:29:52,920 --> 02:29:55,800
Speaker 4: shit was dope, But at the time it just felt

2871
02:29:55,879 --> 02:29:59,080
Speaker 4: really dark, like it just felt and I don't know, no,

2872
02:29:59,360 --> 02:30:01,440
Speaker 4: I think I think I think it just felt like

2873
02:30:01,560 --> 02:30:03,640
Speaker 4: some of the humor was there. It just felt like, man, like,

2874
02:30:03,720 --> 02:30:05,000
Speaker 4: this is a dark fucking record.

2875
02:30:05,200 --> 02:30:07,800
Speaker 2: Well, I think Derelic's a dialect was I think if

2876
02:30:07,840 --> 02:30:10,320
Speaker 2: you think about Problem Child, if you think about Derrels,

2877
02:30:10,680 --> 02:30:12,520
Speaker 2: like yo, it was a dark period for us. I mean,

2878
02:30:12,600 --> 02:30:16,520
Speaker 2: and the album cover of us as homeless old men, like, yeah,

2879
02:30:16,600 --> 02:30:19,200
Speaker 2: it was really dark. I remember. The funny thing is

2880
02:30:19,240 --> 02:30:21,680
Speaker 2: I remember the head of retail at Sony at the

2881
02:30:21,720 --> 02:30:24,240
Speaker 2: time we just turned into Sony Guy said to me,

2882
02:30:24,320 --> 02:30:27,240
Speaker 2: he goes, Yo, we can't this can't be the album cover.

2883
02:30:27,360 --> 02:30:30,560
Speaker 2: It's gonna turn off impulse buyers. I'm like that album.

2884
02:30:30,920 --> 02:30:33,360
Speaker 2: I'm like what he's like, Yeah, this is too dark.

2885
02:30:33,440 --> 02:30:35,040
Speaker 2: He's like, you got a record called Pop Goes the

2886
02:30:35,080 --> 02:30:37,480
Speaker 2: Weasel and you Pop in the Weasels and all of that,

2887
02:30:37,640 --> 02:30:41,320
Speaker 2: and this is dark shit. That record went golden fifteen days.

2888
02:30:41,480 --> 02:30:43,560
Speaker 2: On the sixteenth day, I was like, Yo, what's going

2889
02:30:43,600 --> 02:30:47,959
Speaker 2: on with those impulse buyers? Cocksucker, It's called fans, bitch,

2890
02:30:48,040 --> 02:30:51,200
Speaker 2: look at it. But it wasn't dark. And I was

2891
02:30:51,280 --> 02:30:53,280
Speaker 2: in a dark place. And Pete, we were in a

2892
02:30:53,360 --> 02:30:55,440
Speaker 2: dark place in our partnership. And I'm just gonna keep

2893
02:30:55,440 --> 02:30:59,920
Speaker 2: it one hundred. Pete and I just like you said,

2894
02:31:00,040 --> 02:31:02,360
Speaker 2: we were just like we were putting together. Yeah, we

2895
02:31:02,400 --> 02:31:06,440
Speaker 2: were arranged marriage. And by the second album, what we

2896
02:31:06,600 --> 02:31:11,080
Speaker 2: wanted was different, different. What did he want? So for me,

2897
02:31:11,600 --> 02:31:15,440
Speaker 2: I wanted I wanted a New York Street record, Like

2898
02:31:15,680 --> 02:31:18,320
Speaker 2: I was already like fucking with NAS and fucking with

2899
02:31:18,440 --> 02:31:20,600
Speaker 2: O C. And like I wanted, like I wanted to

2900
02:31:20,720 --> 02:31:23,760
Speaker 2: do that like my techniques and like that was the

2901
02:31:23,800 --> 02:31:30,800
Speaker 2: album I wanted to make ladies gentlemen, right, you know

2902
02:31:30,920 --> 02:31:33,200
Speaker 2: in als ABC's and like that was like I love

2903
02:31:33,280 --> 02:31:38,240
Speaker 2: that ship. Yeah, that was my show. And even Daddy

2904
02:31:38,320 --> 02:31:40,000
Speaker 2: Rich in Atlanta twelve ten. Ye, like you know what

2905
02:31:40,040 --> 02:31:43,800
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like that was, but Pete really was like

2906
02:31:44,120 --> 02:31:49,320
Speaker 2: making these dark, archaic, like alternative samples and like because

2907
02:31:49,360 --> 02:31:51,520
Speaker 2: I was already with my wife. So he was a problem.

2908
02:31:52,200 --> 02:31:55,640
Speaker 2: He was the problem child, see because I don'g Godzilla

2909
02:31:55,760 --> 02:32:01,840
Speaker 2: is my ship? Yeah, like that was my that was

2910
02:32:02,120 --> 02:32:04,480
Speaker 2: Why was that not a single? I'll tell you. I

2911
02:32:04,520 --> 02:32:06,640
Speaker 2: felt like y'all could have because we fell out white,

2912
02:32:07,400 --> 02:32:10,280
Speaker 2: because we fell apart, because we fell apart when we

2913
02:32:10,360 --> 02:32:12,760
Speaker 2: went out with Popco's The Weasel, when we went out

2914
02:32:12,800 --> 02:32:17,480
Speaker 2: with that tour. No, we got thirty minutes. And please

2915
02:32:17,520 --> 02:32:19,040
Speaker 2: tell me how y'all got what's his name in the

2916
02:32:19,120 --> 02:32:23,040
Speaker 2: video to play Vanilla Ice? Oh Rollins? Henry Robinds. You

2917
02:32:23,080 --> 02:32:27,120
Speaker 2: get Henry Robins. Jesse Jesse Himmelman aka Jesse Dylon was

2918
02:32:27,200 --> 02:32:31,880
Speaker 2: best friends. Jesse Dillon directed that video. Oh that's it, Okay, Okay,

2919
02:32:32,120 --> 02:32:35,960
Speaker 2: that's crazy. So Bob Dylan's son, right, But he wasn't

2920
02:32:36,000 --> 02:32:39,720
Speaker 2: going by Dylan. He was going by Jesse Himmelman, right, right,

2921
02:32:40,200 --> 02:32:44,240
Speaker 2: So but he directed the video. So I was in

2922
02:32:44,320 --> 02:32:46,400
Speaker 2: a very different place in nineteen ninety one. I I

2923
02:32:47,160 --> 02:32:49,560
Speaker 2: didn't want to be the kid who is freestyling with

2924
02:32:49,680 --> 02:32:52,400
Speaker 2: shak G and Tupac in the lobby till four o'clock

2925
02:32:52,400 --> 02:32:53,840
Speaker 2: in the morning. Like I didn't want to be the

2926
02:32:53,879 --> 02:32:56,119
Speaker 2: one who was running around being a clown in his underwear,

2927
02:32:56,240 --> 02:32:58,400
Speaker 2: you know, laughing, you know, and all of that shit.

2928
02:32:58,720 --> 02:33:00,400
Speaker 2: Like I wanted to have my wife on the road,

2929
02:33:00,480 --> 02:33:02,440
Speaker 2: like I promised her, like I would take her to

2930
02:33:02,480 --> 02:33:05,000
Speaker 2: see the world. So I was like, we all made decisions,

2931
02:33:05,040 --> 02:33:06,640
Speaker 2: like who you want to have on the road. So

2932
02:33:06,720 --> 02:33:08,440
Speaker 2: Peple was like, yo, I want my man shot Meek

2933
02:33:08,959 --> 02:33:11,080
Speaker 2: and Rich said I want this person. I said, yoa,

2934
02:33:11,080 --> 02:33:17,840
Speaker 2: I want Chantelle And they were like huh fun crusher. Yeah,

2935
02:33:18,720 --> 02:33:21,800
Speaker 2: but shan't tell. Like, but chant tell like you got it.

2936
02:33:21,920 --> 02:33:24,440
Speaker 2: She's a fucking g Like she told all of them

2937
02:33:24,480 --> 02:33:26,920
Speaker 2: to the fake that their faced, like I don't give

2938
02:33:26,920 --> 02:33:28,760
Speaker 2: a fuck about your girls. Fuck who you want to fuck.

2939
02:33:28,760 --> 02:33:31,080
Speaker 2: As long as my man is straight, I'm good. She

2940
02:33:31,120 --> 02:33:33,680
Speaker 2: would like set up towels and water for us on

2941
02:33:33,800 --> 02:33:35,080
Speaker 2: the side of the stage. She didn't have to do

2942
02:33:35,200 --> 02:33:38,080
Speaker 2: that shit. She would do it. She made friendship bracelets

2943
02:33:38,120 --> 02:33:41,400
Speaker 2: with the girls and like she she just did her shit,

2944
02:33:41,560 --> 02:33:43,760
Speaker 2: like she wasn't getting in anybody's way, and Pete was

2945
02:33:43,800 --> 02:33:45,760
Speaker 2: doing his dirt and like we weren't getting in the way.

2946
02:33:46,000 --> 02:33:48,160
Speaker 2: And then one night in Saint Louis, like he decides

2947
02:33:48,200 --> 02:33:50,800
Speaker 2: that he wants to just come fuck some chicks in

2948
02:33:50,840 --> 02:33:53,520
Speaker 2: the back of the bus. And we're like, okay, whatever,

2949
02:33:53,680 --> 02:33:55,720
Speaker 2: But the bus drivers can only drive for a certain

2950
02:33:55,720 --> 02:33:58,840
Speaker 2: amount of time of night before they have to pull over.

2951
02:33:59,440 --> 02:34:02,000
Speaker 2: And he had a place, We had some place to go,

2952
02:34:02,840 --> 02:34:04,480
Speaker 2: and where we did the show in Saint Louis was

2953
02:34:04,520 --> 02:34:06,440
Speaker 2: an hour away from the venue, so it had taken

2954
02:34:06,520 --> 02:34:08,400
Speaker 2: us and he wanted to take them back because their

2955
02:34:08,480 --> 02:34:11,160
Speaker 2: car was back at the venue. I was like, Yo,

2956
02:34:11,280 --> 02:34:14,040
Speaker 2: get them tricks off the fucking bus man of the cafe, right,

2957
02:34:14,120 --> 02:34:16,320
Speaker 2: like the get these holes off the bus man. It's

2958
02:34:16,360 --> 02:34:16,720
Speaker 2: time to go.

2959
02:34:17,879 --> 02:34:19,960
Speaker 4: And I went into my bunk and what happened was

2960
02:34:20,040 --> 02:34:23,200
Speaker 4: Pete got off the bus and he flew back to

2961
02:34:23,280 --> 02:34:26,000
Speaker 4: New York is in the middle of the tour. In

2962
02:34:26,040 --> 02:34:28,400
Speaker 4: the middle of the tour. Wow, So we pull into

2963
02:34:28,560 --> 02:34:32,200
Speaker 4: South Carolina. We put in tour manager, a guy named

2964
02:34:32,200 --> 02:34:32,800
Speaker 4: Mark Pearson.

2965
02:34:33,440 --> 02:34:36,440
Speaker 2: So he goes back to New York. I don't notice

2966
02:34:37,000 --> 02:34:39,520
Speaker 2: We're going over Friday's receipts and I see that he

2967
02:34:39,600 --> 02:34:41,440
Speaker 2: took three days of per diem when he wasn't on

2968
02:34:41,520 --> 02:34:43,880
Speaker 2: the road. And typically what we would do is we

2969
02:34:43,959 --> 02:34:46,000
Speaker 2: would give that to the dances, you know, or give

2970
02:34:46,040 --> 02:34:47,520
Speaker 2: it to our crew, like you know what I'm saying,

2971
02:34:47,600 --> 02:34:50,800
Speaker 2: Like whatever, So I said to I said to Mark,

2972
02:34:50,840 --> 02:34:52,640
Speaker 2: I said, Mark, you know, why'd you give them the padem?

2973
02:34:52,680 --> 02:34:54,400
Speaker 2: He goes, Yo, just go talk to Pete. He's on

2974
02:34:54,480 --> 02:34:57,520
Speaker 2: some shit. So I go to the room and I

2975
02:34:57,640 --> 02:34:59,920
Speaker 2: see my two dancers who were my boys I grew up,

2976
02:35:00,120 --> 02:35:02,760
Speaker 2: Me and GYP with like sub Rock and KMD like

2977
02:35:02,840 --> 02:35:05,440
Speaker 2: my man. I'm met in Otis like my people. They're

2978
02:35:05,440 --> 02:35:08,400
Speaker 2: sitting around Pete and I'm like, Pete, why'd you take

2979
02:35:08,560 --> 02:35:10,280
Speaker 2: per diem for three days on the road?

2980
02:35:10,360 --> 02:35:10,480
Speaker 9: You know?

2981
02:35:10,600 --> 02:35:12,760
Speaker 2: You know, we give that to the dances. And he's

2982
02:35:12,800 --> 02:35:14,840
Speaker 2: on the phone and he goes, well, if your bitch

2983
02:35:14,959 --> 02:35:16,920
Speaker 2: wasn't on the road, I wouldn't have to go home. Ah,

2984
02:35:18,560 --> 02:35:20,480
Speaker 2: And I said, what did you just say? He said,

2985
02:35:20,520 --> 02:35:22,480
Speaker 2: you heard me. If your bitch wasn't on I said, yeah,

2986
02:35:22,520 --> 02:35:23,920
Speaker 2: you need to come out here and catch this ass

2987
02:35:23,959 --> 02:35:26,880
Speaker 2: whipping real quick. Hey. He's like what are you going

2988
02:35:26,920 --> 02:35:28,640
Speaker 2: to do? Slap me? I said, no, you you look

2989
02:35:28,720 --> 02:35:30,360
Speaker 2: like a grown ass man. I'm gonna beat your fucking

2990
02:35:30,440 --> 02:35:35,520
Speaker 2: ass right damn. So he's not coming out. He's and

2991
02:35:35,840 --> 02:35:38,360
Speaker 2: what happens is he's on the phone with Leor and

2992
02:35:38,440 --> 02:35:41,880
Speaker 2: Leor and they're hearing this. So I called Leor and

2993
02:35:42,120 --> 02:35:44,680
Speaker 2: at the time, our booking agent, Lee Stoleman, was working

2994
02:35:44,720 --> 02:35:46,880
Speaker 2: at Rush and I said, look, how many weeks we

2995
02:35:46,959 --> 02:35:49,600
Speaker 2: got in deposits on the tour? He said another two

2996
02:35:49,680 --> 02:35:52,879
Speaker 2: weeks and we already we had taken Cypress on the road.

2997
02:35:53,200 --> 02:35:56,160
Speaker 2: Cypress was our opening act. So like we're like I

2998
02:35:56,879 --> 02:35:58,360
Speaker 2: said to Lee, I said, look, we got to come

2999
02:35:58,400 --> 02:36:02,240
Speaker 2: off the road and regroup. Don't take any more deposits

3000
02:36:02,280 --> 02:36:05,400
Speaker 2: on this tour. And right now, like Popco Zuis is

3001
02:36:05,480 --> 02:36:07,160
Speaker 2: number two in the country, it's like number two pop

3002
02:36:07,160 --> 02:36:09,600
Speaker 2: Wreck in the country. Like we're selling out like ten

3003
02:36:09,640 --> 02:36:12,240
Speaker 2: thy twelve thousand seed arenas, like we're doing our thing.

3004
02:36:12,280 --> 02:36:14,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, look, we need to regroup. We need to

3005
02:36:14,600 --> 02:36:16,200
Speaker 2: come off this tour. We need to come off this

3006
02:36:16,320 --> 02:36:19,920
Speaker 2: road and regroup. So the tour was going towards New York.

3007
02:36:20,040 --> 02:36:22,840
Speaker 2: We land in Philly. It's the last night of what

3008
02:36:22,959 --> 02:36:25,199
Speaker 2: I think is the last show. I've been traveling behind

3009
02:36:25,280 --> 02:36:27,160
Speaker 2: the tour bus in a car, in a rental car

3010
02:36:27,560 --> 02:36:32,039
Speaker 2: with my girl, like not even going near them. At

3011
02:36:32,080 --> 02:36:37,160
Speaker 2: the Philly show, Pete's girlfriend, Daddy Rich's girlfriend, they those

3012
02:36:37,240 --> 02:36:40,680
Speaker 2: guys told their girlfriends that my girl was fucking up

3013
02:36:40,760 --> 02:36:43,320
Speaker 2: the relationship in the group, they try to jump my

3014
02:36:43,400 --> 02:36:45,760
Speaker 2: wife up behind on the side of the stage. Wait

3015
02:36:45,840 --> 02:36:50,160
Speaker 2: what yeah, Pete's girl and this girl Monet, who's richest girl,

3016
02:36:50,200 --> 02:36:53,000
Speaker 2: they try to jump my girl Like I'm like watching

3017
02:36:53,080 --> 02:36:54,920
Speaker 2: this from the side of Like I'm like so, I'm

3018
02:36:54,959 --> 02:36:56,560
Speaker 2: not even like I'll do my verse and get off

3019
02:36:56,600 --> 02:36:58,680
Speaker 2: stage and like protect my girl. Like that was it.

3020
02:36:59,440 --> 02:37:03,240
Speaker 2: I'm all my way home. I'm on my way home.

3021
02:37:03,320 --> 02:37:06,199
Speaker 2: I'm on my way home. And I said, Yo, I said,

3022
02:37:06,560 --> 02:37:08,640
Speaker 2: this shit is crazy. I'm on I'm literally on the

3023
02:37:08,760 --> 02:37:12,440
Speaker 2: phone and I'm saying to Leor like Leo, this shit

3024
02:37:12,520 --> 02:37:14,320
Speaker 2: is crazy, Like they just try to jump my girl

3025
02:37:14,360 --> 02:37:16,200
Speaker 2: and ya da da da dah, and he goes. We

3026
02:37:16,280 --> 02:37:18,920
Speaker 2: booked another three weeks and I said, ah, damn, I said,

3027
02:37:18,959 --> 02:37:20,920
Speaker 2: you just killed the group. I said, you just killed

3028
02:37:20,959 --> 02:37:22,720
Speaker 2: the group. Because at the end of these three weeks,

3029
02:37:22,760 --> 02:37:26,600
Speaker 2: I'm done. So those three weeks, I would literally get

3030
02:37:26,640 --> 02:37:29,560
Speaker 2: on stage and Dispete in front of our crowds, like,

3031
02:37:29,680 --> 02:37:32,160
Speaker 2: instead of Pete, tell him manifest this like in words

3032
02:37:32,200 --> 02:37:36,880
Speaker 2: of wisdom, I say, yo, bitch, tell him wow. And

3033
02:37:36,959 --> 02:37:39,280
Speaker 2: I would come off stage when he would rhyme, and

3034
02:37:39,360 --> 02:37:41,000
Speaker 2: when he was finished, I'd come on stage and do

3035
02:37:41,080 --> 02:37:43,560
Speaker 2: my verse and then leave the stage. And the audience

3036
02:37:43,680 --> 02:37:46,520
Speaker 2: was no, no, no, they were Oh they would, they would.

3037
02:37:46,600 --> 02:37:49,960
Speaker 2: MTV was Kurt Loder, Yo problems with third Base got

3038
02:37:49,959 --> 02:37:51,640
Speaker 2: the number one record in the country, and the great

3039
02:37:51,840 --> 02:37:57,480
Speaker 2: group is falling apart. And I basically told I told Leo,

3040
02:37:57,560 --> 02:38:00,680
Speaker 2: I told Leora and Russell like I'm done. And my

3041
02:38:00,760 --> 02:38:02,560
Speaker 2: wife is like, you know, is this really what you want?

3042
02:38:02,600 --> 02:38:05,119
Speaker 2: And I said yeah, And I said, in fact, I said,

3043
02:38:05,240 --> 02:38:09,120
Speaker 2: let's go get married. Let's go get married. Fuck them,

3044
02:38:09,200 --> 02:38:12,600
Speaker 2: let's get married. Like I'm ready. And she's like, well,

3045
02:38:12,640 --> 02:38:14,960
Speaker 2: I've been ready. So we got our blood work, we

3046
02:38:15,040 --> 02:38:16,720
Speaker 2: got our blood work. The one day we went to

3047
02:38:16,840 --> 02:38:22,039
Speaker 2: Queens County, We went to Queen's County Court, got married,

3048
02:38:22,160 --> 02:38:24,600
Speaker 2: and I headed out to La to live with my man.

3049
02:38:24,959 --> 02:38:31,400
Speaker 2: Epic from Wolf Epic right it comes, Yeah, that's exactly right.

3050
02:38:32,840 --> 02:38:34,800
Speaker 2: I have so many questions about returning of the product,

3051
02:38:35,320 --> 02:38:37,680
Speaker 2: so I go to live with them. I started recording

3052
02:38:37,760 --> 02:38:40,039
Speaker 2: Return of the Product. I'm with wolf Fin Epic. We're

3053
02:38:40,080 --> 02:38:42,080
Speaker 2: doing hard but true. Here it comes like all of

3054
02:38:42,160 --> 02:38:45,000
Speaker 2: that ship. I'm in LA just like chilling, like I'm chilling,

3055
02:38:45,080 --> 02:38:46,880
Speaker 2: like me and my wife, we're just chilling. I don't

3056
02:38:46,879 --> 02:38:48,520
Speaker 2: even want to go back to New York. I got

3057
02:38:48,560 --> 02:38:50,320
Speaker 2: a house there. I'm not even in there, like I'm

3058
02:38:50,360 --> 02:38:52,520
Speaker 2: paying bills like cross Country. Yah da da da da.

3059
02:38:53,879 --> 02:38:55,960
Speaker 2: Russell says, Yo, you gotta come home. This is this

3060
02:38:56,080 --> 02:38:58,400
Speaker 2: is enough. It's it's enough. You gotta come home. I

3061
02:38:58,480 --> 02:39:00,760
Speaker 2: come home. I go to see him here that apartment

3062
02:39:00,840 --> 02:39:03,480
Speaker 2: shares old apartment on West fourth Street. I go upstairs.

3063
02:39:04,080 --> 02:39:07,400
Speaker 2: He's trying to yell at me. I'm like, I grabbed

3064
02:39:07,440 --> 02:39:09,520
Speaker 2: the Dead Player. I put in his that machine. I

3065
02:39:09,600 --> 02:39:12,600
Speaker 2: play here it comes. He starts hearing here it comes,

3066
02:39:12,640 --> 02:39:16,400
Speaker 2: and he starts bouncing on his bed like this, Oh

3067
02:39:16,480 --> 02:39:21,560
Speaker 2: my god. We okay, you could do the solo record.

3068
02:39:21,760 --> 02:39:26,520
Speaker 2: And that's how the solo record happened. Wow. And but

3069
02:39:26,640 --> 02:39:28,440
Speaker 2: that was a dark but that was the dark place,

3070
02:39:28,480 --> 02:39:31,800
Speaker 2: and it started with the darkness of the recording of

3071
02:39:31,879 --> 02:39:35,560
Speaker 2: the album. It started with you know, Pete being like

3072
02:39:35,720 --> 02:39:39,280
Speaker 2: disillusioned and me being disillusioned with the partnership. It started

3073
02:39:39,360 --> 02:39:42,600
Speaker 2: with a lot of that, and and really the relationship

3074
02:39:42,680 --> 02:39:46,000
Speaker 2: started with he challenged me. I didn't really feel like

3075
02:39:46,040 --> 02:39:48,080
Speaker 2: I was making great records as a solo artist when

3076
02:39:48,080 --> 02:39:49,600
Speaker 2: I was with Sam. Sever Like as soon as I

3077
02:39:49,680 --> 02:39:51,160
Speaker 2: heard Words of Wisdom, I was like, oh, I gotta

3078
02:39:51,200 --> 02:39:54,560
Speaker 2: set my fucking game up hardest, hardest Chinese arithmetic. Like

3079
02:39:54,640 --> 02:39:57,000
Speaker 2: I wasn't thinking no shit like that, Like I I

3080
02:39:57,040 --> 02:39:59,120
Speaker 2: gotta I gotta step my game up, you know what

3081
02:39:59,160 --> 02:40:00,880
Speaker 2: I mean? Like in and that's what I did. Like

3082
02:40:00,959 --> 02:40:05,320
Speaker 2: he challenged me, I wasn't challenged. Yeah, it just didn't

3083
02:40:05,360 --> 02:40:08,640
Speaker 2: sound like it sounded like whatever fun or passion. It

3084
02:40:08,760 --> 02:40:11,120
Speaker 2: was gone. Yeah, you're absolutely right. I was like, man,

3085
02:40:11,959 --> 02:40:14,280
Speaker 2: and it's you know, and it's it sucked the life.

3086
02:40:14,360 --> 02:40:16,520
Speaker 2: That album sucked the life out of me and more

3087
02:40:16,560 --> 02:40:19,240
Speaker 2: ways than one. And also there was a transition in

3088
02:40:19,360 --> 02:40:21,320
Speaker 2: our audience that sucked the life out of me.

3089
02:40:21,440 --> 02:40:23,360
Speaker 4: That was my next question because I'm like, if y'all

3090
02:40:23,440 --> 02:40:25,760
Speaker 4: are number two of pop goes the Weasel, is that

3091
02:40:25,959 --> 02:40:29,920
Speaker 4: audience audience looking like Yeah, like whatever, like.

3092
02:40:30,560 --> 02:40:33,800
Speaker 2: Club MTV and YO, and you know what's funny about

3093
02:40:33,800 --> 02:40:36,920
Speaker 2: Club MTV. I wouldn't say anything to Julie Brown because

3094
02:40:36,920 --> 02:40:38,440
Speaker 2: I didn't respect us, So she would put the mic

3095
02:40:38,480 --> 02:40:40,600
Speaker 2: in front of me, and I just kept my mouth closed,

3096
02:40:41,080 --> 02:40:43,400
Speaker 2: and then she would go to Pete and Pete would talk,

3097
02:40:43,440 --> 02:40:44,920
Speaker 2: and then she'd asked me a question. I kept my

3098
02:40:45,000 --> 02:40:47,280
Speaker 2: mouth closed. I didn't want to be there, like I

3099
02:40:47,400 --> 02:40:49,000
Speaker 2: look go ahead, because.

3100
02:40:48,760 --> 02:40:52,480
Speaker 1: The thing is, there's something happening with the transition of

3101
02:40:52,560 --> 02:41:00,080
Speaker 1: hip hop between eighty nine and ninety four, and what

3102
02:41:00,200 --> 02:41:02,800
Speaker 1: it is is like by the time we arrived in

3103
02:41:02,879 --> 02:41:06,760
Speaker 1: ninety four, it's cool to embrace your alternative arty, absolutely

3104
02:41:07,280 --> 02:41:07,680
Speaker 1: and I.

3105
02:41:07,760 --> 02:41:10,240
Speaker 2: Knew the new face of what hip hop for the

3106
02:41:10,320 --> 02:41:11,760
Speaker 2: next gazillion years.

3107
02:41:11,879 --> 02:41:14,720
Speaker 1: But there was there was so much slack that you know,

3108
02:41:14,879 --> 02:41:17,720
Speaker 1: the source was given cypress hil for like who these

3109
02:41:17,760 --> 02:41:20,120
Speaker 1: white boys in the audience are attracted and like even

3110
02:41:20,160 --> 02:41:24,400
Speaker 1: the source didn't understand what was going on. So you

3111
02:41:24,560 --> 02:41:28,119
Speaker 1: guys were a part of You're seeing the audience literally

3112
02:41:28,240 --> 02:41:30,320
Speaker 1: changed and it doesn't look like the Latin quarter.

3113
02:41:30,240 --> 02:41:32,840
Speaker 2: No more, no not even doesn't look like the Latin quarter.

3114
02:41:33,959 --> 02:41:36,240
Speaker 2: We I mean, we went from having like literally on

3115
02:41:36,320 --> 02:41:38,840
Speaker 2: pop Go Zuisa. We would have like shows at the

3116
02:41:38,879 --> 02:41:42,200
Speaker 2: Palladium in La where it's like all black crowds to

3117
02:41:42,360 --> 02:41:46,400
Speaker 2: doing Roanoke Virginia and college kids jumping on our stage

3118
02:41:46,400 --> 02:41:49,000
Speaker 2: and hugging our dancers and flying into the audience and

3119
02:41:49,120 --> 02:41:52,400
Speaker 2: like surfing, Like I'll never forget the first time that happened.

3120
02:41:52,640 --> 02:41:55,200
Speaker 2: Our dancer, our med thought somebody was rushing him and

3121
02:41:55,320 --> 02:41:57,440
Speaker 2: like body slammed it due to the ground and he

3122
02:41:57,560 --> 02:42:00,200
Speaker 2: was like and didn't understand. He just jumped in, just

3123
02:42:00,680 --> 02:42:03,400
Speaker 2: got stage dived, And we're like, what the fuck is

3124
02:42:03,480 --> 02:42:06,400
Speaker 2: going on? Like we're going to like pop stations and

3125
02:42:06,480 --> 02:42:09,480
Speaker 2: we're telling pop stations like you realize we're dissing you

3126
02:42:09,640 --> 02:42:13,879
Speaker 2: on this record, Like you do realize we're disincaparating. You're

3127
02:42:13,959 --> 02:42:16,440
Speaker 2: not playing day La Soul, You're not playing a tribe

3128
02:42:16,480 --> 02:42:19,520
Speaker 2: called Quest. You're playing Hammer and Vanilla Wafer Like you're

3129
02:42:19,520 --> 02:42:23,039
Speaker 2: playing bullshit, Like you should be playing Big Daddy Kane.

3130
02:42:23,080 --> 02:42:26,280
Speaker 2: You should be playing Queen Latifa, you should be playing Tribe,

3131
02:42:26,320 --> 02:42:29,280
Speaker 2: you should be playing pe like that's real hip hop.

3132
02:42:29,320 --> 02:42:33,400
Speaker 2: And they're like now SEC Music Factory like and I'm

3133
02:42:33,440 --> 02:42:36,920
Speaker 2: like I'm like fuck, Like what who am I talking to? Like,

3134
02:42:37,000 --> 02:42:39,400
Speaker 2: I don't even know these people, And again going back

3135
02:42:39,440 --> 02:42:41,360
Speaker 2: to the whole thing, I have to protect hip hop,

3136
02:42:42,000 --> 02:42:43,640
Speaker 2: but I'm at a point where i don't even know

3137
02:42:43,680 --> 02:42:45,600
Speaker 2: what hip hop is when I'm looking at these dudes,

3138
02:42:45,600 --> 02:42:48,320
Speaker 2: I don't even know what you produced pop goes U

3139
02:42:48,720 --> 02:42:52,880
Speaker 2: S fifties, So like at the time, is this like

3140
02:42:52,920 --> 02:42:55,720
Speaker 2: almost like a fight for your right thing where it's like, okay,

3141
02:42:55,840 --> 02:42:58,640
Speaker 2: so no, I always thought that she was dope, like

3142
02:42:58,720 --> 02:43:00,680
Speaker 2: I thought that sample was. No.

3143
02:43:00,840 --> 02:43:04,080
Speaker 1: It is, though, but you didn't realize that it might

3144
02:43:04,160 --> 02:43:06,960
Speaker 1: come to bite you in the ass, turn you into

3145
02:43:07,000 --> 02:43:07,640
Speaker 1: the very thing.

3146
02:43:09,080 --> 02:43:11,840
Speaker 2: Right, No, no, not at all what we say hip

3147
02:43:11,840 --> 02:43:14,400
Speaker 2: hop got turned into hip hop. The second record was

3148
02:43:14,480 --> 02:43:16,480
Speaker 2: number one on the pop charts, But don't get on

3149
02:43:16,520 --> 02:43:18,000
Speaker 2: the heart that got to start in the ghetto that

3150
02:43:18,120 --> 02:43:20,800
Speaker 2: no one forget about the hard part. Now, in ninety one,

3151
02:43:20,800 --> 02:43:22,520
Speaker 2: we got a new band, a new brand looking like

3152
02:43:22,600 --> 02:43:25,240
Speaker 2: the same old clan, same old thieves as schemes, So

3153
02:43:25,320 --> 02:43:27,520
Speaker 2: we got to make sure that real rappers got to endure.

3154
02:43:27,760 --> 02:43:29,520
Speaker 2: And I'm looking at these white boys that are like

3155
02:43:30,560 --> 02:43:32,200
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you don't even know who the fuck

3156
02:43:32,240 --> 02:43:36,720
Speaker 2: I'm talking about, the same thing. Yeah, you know what

3157
02:43:36,720 --> 02:43:38,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying. But at least public enemy, they were smart

3158
02:43:39,000 --> 02:43:41,440
Speaker 2: enough to educate the people. Like Chuck would look at

3159
02:43:41,480 --> 02:43:43,240
Speaker 2: these people and say, you are not my enemy, but

3160
02:43:43,320 --> 02:43:45,680
Speaker 2: here's why you were my enemy. You know. He would

3161
02:43:45,720 --> 02:43:48,800
Speaker 2: have that conversation like we weren't having a conversation. We

3162
02:43:48,879 --> 02:43:51,880
Speaker 2: were like, you guys look like dicks, Like we don't

3163
02:43:51,920 --> 02:43:56,600
Speaker 2: look nothing like you, Like we are nothing. I hated

3164
02:43:56,640 --> 02:43:58,400
Speaker 2: those kids. And you know what a lot of those

3165
02:43:58,480 --> 02:44:00,160
Speaker 2: guys now that come up to me and they're like

3166
02:44:00,560 --> 02:44:02,840
Speaker 2: CEOs of companies and like, dude, we used to rock

3167
02:44:02,920 --> 02:44:05,000
Speaker 2: you and you know the frat and I'm like, yes,

3168
02:44:05,240 --> 02:44:09,200
Speaker 2: let's do business. So it's really funny, like now I'm

3169
02:44:09,240 --> 02:44:11,199
Speaker 2: glad you respect me. Like I need I need money

3170
02:44:11,240 --> 02:44:13,280
Speaker 2: for a dude, We're doing this DC fund and like

3171
02:44:13,360 --> 02:44:15,800
Speaker 2: we need to raise money. Here's my mayn and Matthew like, yo,

3172
02:44:15,879 --> 02:44:17,879
Speaker 2: let's let's raise this capital. Because you were a frat

3173
02:44:17,879 --> 02:44:19,960
Speaker 2: boy who liked you know, Pop goes the weasel, so

3174
02:44:20,160 --> 02:44:21,800
Speaker 2: like you know what I'm saying, goes to weasel crowd.

3175
02:44:21,840 --> 02:44:23,560
Speaker 4: When y'all did, what would the response be like when

3176
02:44:23,640 --> 02:44:25,520
Speaker 4: y'all did, like a Brooklyn Queens or.

3177
02:44:26,040 --> 02:44:28,119
Speaker 2: Like they loved it. They liked it, but I'm yeah,

3178
02:44:28,120 --> 02:44:29,800
Speaker 2: they would fuck with it. But for me, like as

3179
02:44:29,840 --> 02:44:32,480
Speaker 2: soon as shit was done, like the greatest thing that

3180
02:44:32,560 --> 02:44:34,879
Speaker 2: happened to me was my solo album because Nas came

3181
02:44:34,920 --> 02:44:36,840
Speaker 2: into my life, you know what I mean, and oh

3182
02:44:36,959 --> 02:44:40,000
Speaker 2: C was already in my life, and like that brought

3183
02:44:40,080 --> 02:44:43,240
Speaker 2: me back home. Like even in LA, I was twisted.

3184
02:44:43,720 --> 02:44:46,240
Speaker 2: Like in LA, I'm making these happy hard but true.

3185
02:44:46,360 --> 02:44:49,119
Speaker 2: I'm talking about you know, Zora and Neil, and I'm

3186
02:44:49,120 --> 02:44:51,440
Speaker 2: talking about like how hard it is to be truthful

3187
02:44:51,480 --> 02:44:53,959
Speaker 2: to who you are. And I'm like and I'm letting

3188
02:44:53,959 --> 02:44:56,120
Speaker 2: my man reefing, I'm letting my May and Mattie see here,

3189
02:44:56,160 --> 02:44:58,320
Speaker 2: and they're like, yo, Bi, you got to get back

3190
02:44:58,360 --> 02:45:01,160
Speaker 2: to the street, like here's some peace, like go go listen.

3191
02:45:01,600 --> 02:45:03,520
Speaker 2: And like that's when I made, you know, back to

3192
02:45:05,360 --> 02:45:11,120
Speaker 2: the grill. T Ray double xp so so yeah, so

3193
02:45:11,320 --> 02:45:13,120
Speaker 2: and then you know, and then that brought me back,

3194
02:45:13,240 --> 02:45:14,960
Speaker 2: like and meeting Nas and doing all of that that

3195
02:45:15,879 --> 02:45:17,960
Speaker 2: how did you know that t Ray oh I had

3196
02:45:18,000 --> 02:45:25,800
Speaker 2: the double Xboxy album. I thought I was knocketting on

3197
02:45:25,879 --> 02:45:26,600
Speaker 2: the edge of the door.

3198
02:45:29,200 --> 02:45:35,760
Speaker 7: Id no, no.

3199
02:45:35,840 --> 02:45:38,400
Speaker 2: No, So I mean, so that was What really brought

3200
02:45:38,480 --> 02:45:41,120
Speaker 2: me back is like when Nas came into the studio

3201
02:45:41,320 --> 02:45:43,320
Speaker 2: refin stretch and was like, yo, I need help. Like

3202
02:45:43,400 --> 02:45:46,120
Speaker 2: I was like, this is has sham. This is the

3203
02:45:46,200 --> 02:45:48,160
Speaker 2: most high, like bringing me back to where I need

3204
02:45:48,240 --> 02:45:50,280
Speaker 2: to be helping a queen's m C and like doing

3205
02:45:50,360 --> 02:45:54,400
Speaker 2: what I should be doing, which is protecting artists, you

3206
02:45:54,440 --> 02:45:57,040
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So the baseball car stuff, what

3207
02:45:57,160 --> 02:45:59,840
Speaker 2: was that with Peter? So the other thing, well, so

3208
02:46:00,200 --> 02:46:04,440
Speaker 2: Pete has been in some interesting situations post third Base.

3209
02:46:04,560 --> 02:46:07,480
Speaker 4: One of the things first was his Frill solo album

3210
02:46:07,760 --> 02:46:12,160
Speaker 4: was a Kick kickbo was right, I remember Dust the Dust.

3211
02:46:12,240 --> 02:46:14,480
Speaker 4: I remember that was the first time I remember reading

3212
02:46:14,640 --> 02:46:18,440
Speaker 4: an exec actually say that they were worried about how

3213
02:46:18,480 --> 02:46:21,680
Speaker 4: a record was going to sell and that I was like, damn,

3214
02:46:21,840 --> 02:46:24,280
Speaker 4: they just Russell. He was like, yeah, we don't know

3215
02:46:24,360 --> 02:46:25,880
Speaker 4: how this is going to do. I'm like, well, damn,

3216
02:46:26,320 --> 02:46:29,360
Speaker 4: so much for fourteen shots of the don't right?

3217
02:46:30,320 --> 02:46:32,800
Speaker 2: Right right? But at least fourteen shots went platinum. I

3218
02:46:32,879 --> 02:46:36,879
Speaker 2: mean it's still you know, you know, but yeah, Pete

3219
02:46:36,920 --> 02:46:40,000
Speaker 2: told fourteen thousand records on that Damn I sold four

3220
02:46:40,120 --> 02:46:42,800
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand, Like I think right now, return

3221
02:46:42,840 --> 02:46:45,120
Speaker 2: the products at like seven hundred and fifty thousand, and

3222
02:46:45,320 --> 02:46:48,680
Speaker 2: Pete set like fourteen thousand. Damn, so I was two

3223
02:46:48,720 --> 02:46:52,240
Speaker 2: of them. Good for you. I'm glad. I'm glad for

3224
02:46:52,320 --> 02:46:56,400
Speaker 2: you because I don't have to. I'm loyal anyway, No, no, no,

3225
02:46:56,520 --> 02:46:59,400
Speaker 2: but anyway. But but so, Pete was always in love

3226
02:46:59,440 --> 02:47:01,880
Speaker 2: with baseball. He would always like go hunting for like

3227
02:47:02,560 --> 02:47:06,800
Speaker 2: rare artifacts of baseball, baseball artifacts, cards, gloves like that's

3228
02:47:06,840 --> 02:47:09,160
Speaker 2: been his passion for a long time. I guess what

3229
02:47:09,360 --> 02:47:11,440
Speaker 2: I had heard, And if you really want to see

3230
02:47:11,520 --> 02:47:15,080
Speaker 2: the whole thing, you have to google Peter Nash. There's

3231
02:47:15,240 --> 02:47:18,280
Speaker 2: there's a five thousand word essay that Sports Illustrated did

3232
02:47:18,320 --> 02:47:21,720
Speaker 2: on it. So supposedly, from what I understand, is that

3233
02:47:21,920 --> 02:47:27,640
Speaker 2: Pete got involved in some counterfeit signatures and counterfeit baseball

3234
02:47:27,760 --> 02:47:31,520
Speaker 2: card collecting, and he basically sold them to a very

3235
02:47:31,720 --> 02:47:35,080
Speaker 2: high and well known like the j Z of collecting,

3236
02:47:35,160 --> 02:47:38,400
Speaker 2: this guy, Barry Liftson, and he gave and Barry Listen

3237
02:47:38,480 --> 02:47:41,039
Speaker 2: gave him loans of up to eight hundred and seventy

3238
02:47:41,080 --> 02:47:46,320
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars against this phony cards, and then he

3239
02:47:46,560 --> 02:47:48,640
Speaker 2: told Pete that he had like a certain amount of

3240
02:47:48,680 --> 02:47:51,720
Speaker 2: time to pay. Pete wouldn't pay, and then he had

3241
02:47:51,800 --> 02:47:54,360
Speaker 2: the stuff like insured or try to, you know, and

3242
02:47:54,440 --> 02:47:57,800
Speaker 2: then they found out it was worthless. So Pete, damn.

3243
02:47:58,040 --> 02:48:01,080
Speaker 2: I think I think Pete has a warrant. I don't

3244
02:48:01,120 --> 02:48:03,000
Speaker 2: know what's going on. I think there's some warrants for

3245
02:48:03,200 --> 02:48:06,720
Speaker 2: Jersey in New York that is not really on the run.

3246
02:48:07,320 --> 02:48:11,840
Speaker 2: I know he doesn't have a cell phone, like I know.

3247
02:48:12,040 --> 02:48:15,480
Speaker 2: I know that to get in touch with him, there's

3248
02:48:15,600 --> 02:48:18,640
Speaker 2: one number that you can call on like a Wednesday,

3249
02:48:19,400 --> 02:48:21,600
Speaker 2: and it's somebody I don't want to know.

3250
02:48:21,680 --> 02:48:22,560
Speaker 7: I don't know, I don't know.

3251
02:48:22,800 --> 02:48:26,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's something. But I mean, Pete is definitely

3252
02:48:26,480 --> 02:48:31,040
Speaker 2: trying to fix it, like he's trying to like point

3253
02:48:31,080 --> 02:48:33,920
Speaker 2: out other scams. Like I think he's trying his Twitter

3254
02:48:34,000 --> 02:48:36,240
Speaker 2: thing as wholes of shame, Like he's trying to like

3255
02:48:36,640 --> 02:48:39,960
Speaker 2: point out other counterfeiters now so that people don't fall

3256
02:48:40,000 --> 02:48:43,000
Speaker 2: into the same trap. He's claiming that he didn't know, Okay,

3257
02:48:43,080 --> 02:48:47,000
Speaker 2: but I've heard that that's not accurate. Yeah, that's not accurate.

3258
02:48:47,240 --> 02:48:51,480
Speaker 2: Dann And and Daddy Rich. Look, the bottom line is this.

3259
02:48:51,959 --> 02:48:54,320
Speaker 2: I will never go on stage with Third Base ever again.

3260
02:48:54,440 --> 02:48:58,440
Speaker 2: It's it's just done. I tried in twenty thirteen as

3261
02:48:58,480 --> 02:49:00,200
Speaker 2: a favorite to a friend. We did a show at

3262
02:49:00,320 --> 02:49:04,600
Speaker 2: SRB and Brooklyn as a favor, and we got on

3263
02:49:04,720 --> 02:49:07,360
Speaker 2: stage and I had a good time, but I was

3264
02:49:07,440 --> 02:49:10,200
Speaker 2: so I already have a tremor as it is from

3265
02:49:10,320 --> 02:49:12,800
Speaker 2: like medication that I take. But I was on stage

3266
02:49:12,840 --> 02:49:16,680
Speaker 2: literally like this. I couldn't control it. And it was

3267
02:49:16,720 --> 02:49:18,640
Speaker 2: nervous energy and it was excitement. It was a lot

3268
02:49:18,680 --> 02:49:20,600
Speaker 2: of different things that my father's watching and I'm like,

3269
02:49:21,080 --> 02:49:25,640
Speaker 2: I'm just like shaking and but whatever. For whatever reason,

3270
02:49:25,760 --> 02:49:28,280
Speaker 2: we got a whole bunch of dates after that. Oh wow.

3271
02:49:29,040 --> 02:49:33,520
Speaker 2: So then we do another date and a festival in

3272
02:49:33,640 --> 02:49:37,120
Speaker 2: Indiana and my wife is looking at me like, oh God,

3273
02:49:37,320 --> 02:49:41,120
Speaker 2: like I don't really want this life again, like and

3274
02:49:41,280 --> 02:49:43,600
Speaker 2: I don't want this. So she says to me, she

3275
02:49:43,840 --> 02:49:45,280
Speaker 2: you know, she finally said, because I said to her,

3276
02:49:45,280 --> 02:49:48,880
Speaker 2: I was like, look, they're putting together a European tour,

3277
02:49:49,160 --> 02:49:51,480
Speaker 2: like thirty dates like and She's like, look, if you

3278
02:49:51,560 --> 02:49:53,320
Speaker 2: do that, like you might as well just divorce me.

3279
02:49:53,360 --> 02:49:56,920
Speaker 2: I don't want that life. So I said to our

3280
02:49:57,000 --> 02:49:59,680
Speaker 2: road manager at the time, my Manikey Palms. I was

3281
02:49:59,720 --> 02:50:01,320
Speaker 2: like yeah, oh you know, I'm sorry. I'm not doing

3282
02:50:01,360 --> 02:50:02,920
Speaker 2: any more dates. And he said, what do you mean?

3283
02:50:03,840 --> 02:50:05,280
Speaker 2: I said, what do you mean? What I mean? I

3284
02:50:05,360 --> 02:50:08,600
Speaker 2: just told you he goes. I just advanced Pete ten

3285
02:50:08,720 --> 02:50:11,040
Speaker 2: shows because he told me you were doing the shows.

3286
02:50:11,959 --> 02:50:14,320
Speaker 2: And I said, yo, I mean, I said, first of all,

3287
02:50:14,360 --> 02:50:16,400
Speaker 2: I never said I was doing those shows as A

3288
02:50:17,160 --> 02:50:20,320
Speaker 2: and B. I feel bad for those promoters, but I

3289
02:50:20,320 --> 02:50:21,720
Speaker 2: ain't got nothing to do with that. My name is

3290
02:50:21,720 --> 02:50:23,400
Speaker 2: pauled Us between y'all, like, I ain't got nothing to

3291
02:50:23,480 --> 02:50:25,760
Speaker 2: do with it. And moreover, don't ever call me about

3292
02:50:25,800 --> 02:50:28,160
Speaker 2: that again. Don't ever call me about a show again.

3293
02:50:28,720 --> 02:50:30,880
Speaker 2: So this past New Year's we got an offer for

3294
02:50:30,959 --> 02:50:33,960
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars to do one night in Pittsburgh

3295
02:50:33,959 --> 02:50:37,280
Speaker 2: for New Year's Eve, and I said, no, not gonna happen.

3296
02:50:37,560 --> 02:50:41,720
Speaker 2: Just not gonna happen. And Daddy Rich with his sixty followers,

3297
02:50:41,760 --> 02:50:44,760
Speaker 2: went on a diet tribe talking about how I try

3298
02:50:44,800 --> 02:50:47,359
Speaker 2: to fuck his girl, how I used to fuck prostitutes

3299
02:50:47,400 --> 02:50:50,080
Speaker 2: on the road, that I gave my wife an STD

3300
02:50:50,959 --> 02:50:53,200
Speaker 2: A lot of that like this is on Twitter on Twitter.

3301
02:50:54,280 --> 02:50:58,520
Speaker 2: If you would never beat it, right, yeah, petty, pet

3302
02:50:59,040 --> 02:51:01,560
Speaker 2: So I just literally just said I wish you the

3303
02:51:01,600 --> 02:51:03,560
Speaker 2: best of luck in your future endeavors. Never talked to

3304
02:51:03,640 --> 02:51:07,120
Speaker 2: me again, never see me, you know. So it's that

3305
02:51:07,280 --> 02:51:13,720
Speaker 2: dude is literally to damn, it's that to me. Well, Search,

3306
02:51:14,920 --> 02:51:21,480
Speaker 2: I'm giving you. I'm very blessed. We're doing our wrap

3307
02:51:21,600 --> 02:51:23,720
Speaker 2: up with you. Normally we do it once once our

3308
02:51:23,760 --> 02:51:29,000
Speaker 2: guest is out. But what did you learn, man? Man?

3309
02:51:29,280 --> 02:51:29,400
Speaker 12: Uh?

3310
02:51:29,920 --> 02:51:33,080
Speaker 2: Man? I learned that Uh yeah, God, this has been

3311
02:51:33,160 --> 02:51:34,720
Speaker 2: like fucking hip hop nerd trivia.

3312
02:51:35,400 --> 02:51:35,440
Speaker 7: No.

3313
02:51:35,640 --> 02:51:38,560
Speaker 4: Man, I learned that Search is very much still you know,

3314
02:51:38,760 --> 02:51:41,160
Speaker 4: in tune, you know, to the music, to the culture.

3315
02:51:42,160 --> 02:51:45,400
Speaker 4: He is very much I didn't know that you had

3316
02:51:46,240 --> 02:51:49,080
Speaker 4: records prior to the Cactus that was. That was my

3317
02:51:49,160 --> 02:51:50,520
Speaker 4: first time hearing those records.

3318
02:51:51,800 --> 02:51:51,960
Speaker 2: You know.

3319
02:51:52,280 --> 02:51:56,120
Speaker 4: Uh, it's funny we have a connection. Dan Charnis of course.

3320
02:51:56,640 --> 02:51:58,680
Speaker 4: He uh, I do all the rhymes for the break

3321
02:51:58,840 --> 02:52:02,520
Speaker 4: and there's a line, uh, there's I play a.

3322
02:52:02,600 --> 02:52:04,640
Speaker 2: Character that third baseline.

3323
02:52:05,160 --> 02:52:06,760
Speaker 4: And so he said, Man, I got a call Search

3324
02:52:06,800 --> 02:52:08,760
Speaker 4: about this, and I was like work because I mean,

3325
02:52:09,160 --> 02:52:09,960
Speaker 4: this is the first I meet it.

3326
02:52:10,040 --> 02:52:11,920
Speaker 2: I was like, man, and so he hit me back,

3327
02:52:11,959 --> 02:52:13,800
Speaker 2: He's like, your Search was super cool about it. He was,

3328
02:52:14,200 --> 02:52:16,360
Speaker 2: so I was like, because I'm such a big fan

3329
02:52:16,440 --> 02:52:20,119
Speaker 2: of yours that first, everything you've done, I mean, I'm

3330
02:52:20,240 --> 02:52:22,120
Speaker 2: just a huge fan. So thank you, thank you what

3331
02:52:22,240 --> 02:52:24,840
Speaker 2: you've done to the contribute to hip hop and the culture.

3332
02:52:24,959 --> 02:52:28,119
Speaker 2: And it's just amazing listening to you. Like I said,

3333
02:52:28,120 --> 02:52:28,360
Speaker 2: I was.

3334
02:52:28,480 --> 02:52:30,480
Speaker 4: I was ten when Cactus drop. I was eleven when

3335
02:52:30,560 --> 02:52:32,920
Speaker 4: Derrelks drop, So I grew up on it. It's just

3336
02:52:32,920 --> 02:52:34,520
Speaker 4: this is great just to sit here and just break

3337
02:52:34,560 --> 02:52:35,160
Speaker 4: bread with your brother.

3338
02:52:35,200 --> 02:52:38,640
Speaker 2: Thank you. On paid Bill, did you learn anything man?

3339
02:52:38,959 --> 02:52:44,920
Speaker 2: Juice and hip hop man? Both?

3340
02:52:45,040 --> 02:52:47,800
Speaker 8: This show is like Black History Month, It's like black MPR.

3341
02:52:47,920 --> 02:52:51,440
Speaker 8: And then it's like Bill, what's the white perspective? Which

3342
02:52:51,720 --> 02:52:52,959
Speaker 8: which I enjoy giving and.

3343
02:52:52,959 --> 02:52:53,760
Speaker 2: I'm happy to do so.

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Speaker 8: However, I feel like today baby, the tables were turning

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Speaker 8: a little bit, and I thank you for this balance.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Bill, you are more than welcome you. It is balanced, sugar, Steve,

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Speaker 2: did you.

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Speaker 1: Yea?

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Speaker 2: The chanting?

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Speaker 4: Was he?

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Speaker 3: That's the whole part too with you is going to

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Speaker 3: be all champing.

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Speaker 2: Right now? I know she that was my hotttal portion too, dude,

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Speaker 2: that's crazy.

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Speaker 7: Part two in random I think you're jewishing Bill and Steve.

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Speaker 2: It's weird, pretty good start freestyling.

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Speaker 10: I learned that Search to write two books, one of

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Speaker 10: course on business and how to diversify, and the other

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Speaker 10: on I don't know. I just feel like I never

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Speaker 10: knew such a story about how you became englfed in

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Speaker 10: the culture, and it was such an education and a

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Speaker 10: long education. I know every white person can't do this,

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Speaker 10: but maybe he just put it in a book and consolidate.

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Speaker 7: Then we could just it would be a different world.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you we're gonna have a great TV show

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Speaker 2: hopefully coming out soon, and that will tell a lot

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Speaker 2: of great stories. They call me Search coming soon and

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Speaker 2: the app the app, yeah yeah, And if you want

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Speaker 2: to be part of the beta, go to get go

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Speaker 2: to Beta at get A do g E t A

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Speaker 2: d U E dot com. Right, Matthew, thanks? Okay, oh yeah, yo,

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Speaker 2: did you learn anything?

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Speaker 10: I just want to say one more thing beside, every

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Speaker 10: strong Jewish man is a strong black woman.

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Speaker 13: Absolutely right. I used to end my show, every radio show, Okay,

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Speaker 13: we're gonna go Bill. That's the sound of getting punched

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Speaker 13: and that's shot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Search, I thank you very much. And this

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Speaker 2: Quest loves.

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