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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Call Hamil's Welcome to the Philly Show.

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Speaker 2: Hi, everybody, Welcome to the Philly Show. Ruben Tomorrow, Junior,

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Speaker 2: Jim Salisbury Todd's a lucky part of the foul Territory Network.

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Speaker 2: Saturday morning, July twenty seventh, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: We usually don't record on a Saturday, guys, but the

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Speaker 3: Phillies yesterday made their first trade before the trade deadline.

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Speaker 3: They got outfielder Austin Hayes from the Baltimore Orioles for

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Speaker 3: Sir Anthony Di Mingez and Christian Pace. So we just

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Speaker 3: wanted to get together and I want to ask you

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Speaker 3: guys about this deal.

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Speaker 4: This is.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Phillies have been looking for a right

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Speaker 3: handed hitting corner outfielder.

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Speaker 5: Austin Hayes is apparently the guy. Jim, your thoughts, my

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Speaker 5: thoughts on the trade. You know, at first, Blush, I

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Speaker 5: like it, and I like it for a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 5: I think they got a good right handed hitter. I

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Speaker 5: think that's gonna help, you know, make that potential left

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Speaker 5: handed left field platoon into like one good unit with

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Speaker 5: him in marsh. But he has the ability to play

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Speaker 5: center field. He has the ability to go solo and left.

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Speaker 6: Field if you want to move marsh over to center,

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Speaker 6: depending on who's the hot bat. I think that right handed,

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Speaker 6: that right handed stick is essential in the playoffs when

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Speaker 6: you're gonna see you know, Atlanta possibly on their lefties

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Speaker 6: other lefties. And to me, though, the big thing is

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Speaker 6: to me, I look at it like a jalapeno popper.

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Speaker 6: It's an appetizer because I still think, I still think

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Speaker 6: it's it's nice. I love a halopeno pauper. It's a

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Speaker 6: good it's a really good trade deadline appetizer. And I

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Speaker 6: think they kept their powder dry, didn't dip into their

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Speaker 6: prospects for that big arm maybe two, I don't know,

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Speaker 6: for that, for that bullpen upgrade that I think you

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Speaker 6: need uh to be, you know, October tough, Jim.

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Speaker 3: And I tell you what. The first thing that happened

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Speaker 3: when this trade was made was not how opinion popper,

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Speaker 3: but I do love that. That's great. Was now they

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Speaker 3: didn't drip dip into the prospect pool. So now this

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Speaker 3: leaves them some extra ammo maybe to go out in big,

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Speaker 5: So yeah, question, and.

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Speaker 6: I I had, like Sir Anthony, I like his story.

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Speaker 6: I've covered his entire career in Philadelphia. He's a good guy,

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Speaker 6: He's given them good work. It really feels like time

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Speaker 6: for a change of scenery, and I think it could

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Speaker 6: benefit him. Uh, he had kind of really slipped on

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Speaker 6: their depth chart. If he's pitching good, like Sir Anthony,

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Speaker 6: we've seen over the years, it stings. But the way

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Speaker 6: he's been going, falling behind hitters, walking guys, and we

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Speaker 6: talk about it all the time, bullpens are up and

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Speaker 6: down their mercurial. He could rebound and have great two

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Speaker 6: months in Baltimore. Feels like a good baseball trade.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, I like the fact that it was a

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Speaker 1: baseball trade.

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Speaker 7: The one thing that I don't like, and I've talked

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Speaker 7: about this before, I don't necessarily like to Rob Peter

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Speaker 7: to pay Paul, in other words, take a major league

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Speaker 7: player off of your roster to add to another major

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Speaker 7: league side. Now I do know, and I totally agree,

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Speaker 7: you have to give up something for it. And I

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Speaker 7: think one of a couple of the reasons why they

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Speaker 7: did this, and you guys mention it, is that they

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Speaker 7: kept their prospect capital and so they're gonna be able

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Speaker 7: to utilize that. I think to do something bigger. And

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Speaker 7: I will tell you this, Dave Dombrowski will not be

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Speaker 7: afraid to trade a prospect. He understands what prospects are.

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Speaker 7: But you have to trade for the right guy if

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Speaker 7: you're going to utilize those big prospects. And I heard

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Speaker 7: some rumors out there about a Rosa Raina and some others,

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Speaker 7: and why didn't we go get a bigger like a

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Speaker 7: bigger bat or a bigger name. Well, it's because I

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Speaker 7: think they're big priority is trying to get another arm

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Speaker 7: in that bullpen, and that's one of the reasons why

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Speaker 7: they held. So let me just talk a little bit

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Speaker 7: about Austin Hayes. Had a nice little talk with Freddy

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Speaker 7: Gonzalez yesterday. He's the bench coach, and just to get

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Speaker 7: a little low down on Austin Hayes, I sort of

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Speaker 7: knew a little bit about his makeup, great makeup, excellent

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Speaker 1: And I think David Bowski talked about it. That is

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Speaker 7: A ex front office guy, ex baseball player, clubhouse, I

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Speaker 7: think it's really important. There's a lot of talk about

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Speaker 7: Jazz Chisholm and this guy and that guy, and I

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Speaker 1: He plays excellent defense. He's very solid.

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Speaker 7: He's not like a plus defender in center field, but

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Speaker 7: he can play center field. He moves well, he's an athlete.

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Speaker 7: He can play all three outfield positions. But you're going

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Speaker 7: to get a quality defender as well. The guy rakes

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Speaker 7: against lefties. He can really hit left handers. He was

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Speaker 7: some young players, and he just wasn't playing a whole lot.

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Speaker 7: There's only nine guys that could play on the field.

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Speaker 7: So I really like this guy. I don't know that

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Speaker 7: a great compliment to marsh If they platune him in

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Speaker 7: see this. Maybe play him in center, maybe play Martian

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Speaker 1: I think they need to.

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Speaker 7: Add to some offense because their offense is has been

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Speaker 7: a little short. Speaking of offense, yesterday's effort not very

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Speaker 7: good and it had him for a while, and I

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Speaker 7: in that lineup, so to make lengthen it out, because

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Speaker 7: when the big boys aren't hitting, somebody's got to try

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Speaker 7: to pick it up. Of course, the big boys do

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Speaker 3: So Austin hayes, where's he going to play? Dave Debrowski

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Speaker 3: has asked that question yesterday. Rob Thompson was asked that

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Speaker 3: and he had a good reason why, says, I need

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Speaker 3: to talk to the other people involved. So it sounds

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Speaker 3: to me and with Dave Dombrowski says, is we see

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Speaker 3: him more as just a platoon player. Rob Thompson kind

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Speaker 3: he's gonna play maybe a lot of left field at

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Speaker 3: see if you can hit right handed pitching. Now, I

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Speaker 3: more with Rojas after the game. I have no idea

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Speaker 3: Who knows. It could have been about literally anything, but

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Speaker 3: you look at it everything that's kind of going on

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Speaker 3: might be seeing a little bit less playing time in centerfield.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have Brandon Marsh out there. That's just speculation

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Speaker 3: on my part. I don't know what that conversation was,

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Speaker 3: but based off of what happened yesterday, it's a possibility.

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Speaker 3: So maybe you give Austin Hayes some run in left

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Speaker 3: He's not really an option against lefties, and so maybe

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Speaker 3: Austin Hayes can, like you said, Rubin, give them get

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Speaker 3: that offense a little bit extra juice, which they need

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I can absolutely see that happening. And again they're

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Speaker 1: good to find out. They're going to let him play

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Speaker 7: If this guy can be a real contributor and get

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Speaker 7: you know, again, he wasn't getting a you know, consistent

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Speaker 1: Maybe he can get it. Going against the right handers.

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Speaker 1: Pretty good hitter man.

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Speaker 7: I mean, he's a pretty good player just in general,

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Speaker 6: When you look at what they did to Candon Yards

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Speaker 6: and turned it into death Valley in left field, he

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's a great point.

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Speaker 7: Actually, Jim, there is some there is a there's a

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Speaker 7: mental aspect to that. I mean, I've seen leaders really

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Speaker 7: there's a mental you know, uplifting when you know that

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Speaker 7: I think that's a good thing. And I think and

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Speaker 7: That's pretty that's a uh mentally, that's a that's a

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Speaker 7: great situation because the guy's not going from like, you know,

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Speaker 1: Of the pack trying to battle for a white wild

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Speaker 6: It's funny, interesting, interesting trade. I mean, two really good

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Speaker 6: That's an interesting element.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny. I I asked him that question, that

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Speaker 3: exact question, Jim postgame last night. I said, don't don't

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Speaker 3: you kind of feel lucky in a sense because you

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Speaker 3: could have been the extra outfielder that was traded to

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Speaker 3: some garbage team looking to dump a reliever, and now

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Speaker 3: you're on a team that's going to lose a hundred

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Speaker 3: that's and that's Ruben, you mentioned that quote. He said, uh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, you know, you have a

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Speaker 3: he made an upgrade. So he seems like he seems

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Speaker 3: Uh, Well, to be honest with you, the trade happened

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Speaker 6: So what does it do to chemistry, Rubin? When, especially

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Speaker 6: You know, life goes on almost immediately.

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Speaker 1: I think life goes on. Jim.

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Speaker 7: I do think that it'll sting for some of the

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Speaker 7: But he wasn't contributing in a way that all of

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Speaker 7: Who knows, But that's okay because you have to you

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Speaker 1: No question.

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Speaker 6: It's it's it's big business and feelings only matter so much,

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Speaker 6: and you've got to make moves. And his you mentioned

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Speaker 6: It's stung because he was pitching so good. If he's

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Speaker 6: maybe maybe this guy. And I'm sure in Baltimore there

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Speaker 7: He has a lot of east to west instead of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Rob Thompson said yesterday, change the scenery. It could

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Speaker 3: if you're not aggressive right now, you're gonna probably miss

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Speaker 3: your guy. So the Phillies he felt he was aggressive

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Speaker 3: what the Phillies end up doing. Thanks everybody, Jimmy Ruben,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, my pleasure. Saturday, little Saturday morning. Uh, little Saturday

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