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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, It's Sammy J. And for this episode, we

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Speaker 1: talked to Kesha. I was really excited for this interview,

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Speaker 1: but I also didn't know what to expect going into it.

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Speaker 1: At the end, I realized that we are soul sisters.

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Speaker 1: We talked about so much. We talked about her philosophy

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Speaker 1: and life, positivity, going through hard times, her new album

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Speaker 1: High Road, her makeup Blank keshro Is Beauty, and much more.

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Speaker 1: It's a really interesting conversation and I hope you enjoyed.

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Speaker 1: You guys. Kesh is on this week's episode of my podcast.

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Speaker 1: I am so excited you are here. I'm so excited

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Speaker 1: to be talking to you. I'm so impressed. You know,

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Speaker 1: I've admired you for so long, not just because you're

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Speaker 1: just so candid about everything, and it's very refreshing. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: I I think that the culture right now is so

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Speaker 1: I was just thinking about this when I was home.

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Speaker 1: I was like going in my head in circles about it.

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Speaker 1: I want to be as open as possible, but then

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Speaker 1: I'm so scared I'm gonna say one stupid thing and

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Speaker 1: the whole world canceled or whatever. The cancel culture that's

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Speaker 1: such a thing now, so I want to be as

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Speaker 1: open as possible. But it's kind of also terrifying. It's

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Speaker 1: terrified because you say one stupid thing, which I do

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Speaker 1: all the time. Everybody says stupids just being human exactly,

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Speaker 1: but then you get canceled. I just started canceling. I

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Speaker 1: think they should cancel a canceled culture. I agree with that. Well,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about a lot of

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Speaker 1: things today. I want to start just with your new album,

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Speaker 1: high Road. I'm so excited. How long did it take

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Speaker 1: you to make this album? Um? Some of the songs

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Speaker 1: I've been working on since before Rainbow came out, there

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Speaker 1: actually songs I wanted to put on Rainbow, but I

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Speaker 1: them for a lighter time. Like I really wanted Rainbow

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Speaker 1: idea for what I wanted Rainbow to be. So there

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Speaker 1: so I was like, I'm going to save this for

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Speaker 1: after this album. And so this record, you know, four

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Speaker 1: I'm still finishing. Really, So how fast is a turnaround

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Speaker 1: for a song? Would you say, Oh, it can be

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Speaker 1: anywhere from like a song on my first record, I

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Speaker 1: think I had written on and off for like six years,

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Speaker 1: So it could be anywhere from six years to one day.

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Speaker 1: Would you say your perfectionist with Seth, I'm like O. C. D.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to arn't really. Yeah. So the this

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Speaker 1: of it. Yeah. Is that how you define success? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: For me, I think it's been a learning process of

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Speaker 1: and if that's happening. And also with my new record,

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Speaker 1: It's like you can see your progression as an artist,

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Speaker 1: which is the coolest thing. Thank you. And like, I

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Speaker 1: a human and artist. So after people listen to High Road,

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Speaker 1: Though it is difficult, but it also heartbreak creates great

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Speaker 1: who don't know, we are actually recording this episode where

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Speaker 1: you recorded Praying Yes in the studio. In the studio,

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Speaker 1: to you. Yeah, I've recorded. I recorded with Alice Cooper

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Speaker 1: So how long have you been writing music? Like, were

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Speaker 1: the songs that are the most uncomfortable and you just

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00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: like really don't how artists, those are the hardest. But

430
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 1: usually those are the ones that people in my past

431
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 1: experience have responded to and been like, Okay, I really

432
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: relate to that on like a deep level. So the

433
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 1: uncomfortable and like painful and the tea sometimes good to

434
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 1: put yourself, you know, in uncomfortable situations, like wow, I

435
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: feel like I'm slightly addicted to putting myself an uncomfortable situation.

436
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: I'm like forcing myself to sometimes because like and it's

437
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: just like getting myself like Okay, Smith, you can do this.

438
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 1: You can do it. And it's also like the adrenaline,

439
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: and adrenaline helps so much. It does well when you

440
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: play live TV shows. Every time. I cannot imagine the

441
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: adrenaline that comes from that. I get so scared and

442
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 1: I've been doing this for ten years. Do you still

443
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: get stage fright? Um? I get like massively terrified to

444
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: the point of like for sure, crying before I take

445
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: the stage. Ever, if it's a live TV performance, when

446
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: I'm just playing shows, they're not televised, and I know

447
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: it's just my fan and we're just write or die,

448
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: and it's so fun and infectious. I don't get nervous.

449
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: I get excited, like I'm going to a house party.

450
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: So what is it about the live TV is because

451
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: like so many people you know that don't necessarily know

452
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: you are watching, or don't necessarily like me, or would

453
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: like to find something to pick apart, or would like

454
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: to find the one note that I miss because I

455
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: don't lip sync, and things like that where I just

456
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 1: don't want to be fucked if I can't hear myself

457
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: and I hit one bad note, or if I'm dancing

458
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: and I'm out of breath and it's just it's live, well,

459
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 1: that's you know, it's life not That's what I think

460
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: is so incredible about live performances is because it's not

461
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: exactly how it is and you can see that everyone's

462
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: just human, and I think people forget that. Well, it's

463
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: also like you don't know if people want that because

464
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: it's We're also used to the face tune and the

465
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 1: auto tune and all of these things that are supposed

466
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: to make us all quote unquote perfect. I don't believe

467
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: in that can like that concept. I don't believe in

468
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: perfection as an even the thing. I don't think it exists.

469
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: But I don't think. But like we're all because what

470
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: is perfect? It sounds really boring to me, but like,

471
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: I just don't. I also think it's different for every person,

472
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: and we're all fed that perfection is something that is

473
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: almost unachievable and something that we're not. So it feeds

474
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: this insecurity, especially in women, and I am just calling

475
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 1: it bullshit. I'm thirty two years old over it, and

476
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to be perfect. I'm not ever going

477
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: to be, so no one is in the fact that

478
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: you're showing that will help others to realize that, oh,

479
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: like being not perfect is cool and everything and everyone

480
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: is perfect if you stop comparing. True. Something I wrote

481
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: on my ceiling when I was in high school and

482
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: it's still there at my mom's house. How do you

483
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: write what your ceiling? I stood on my beds put

484
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: posters up there and right on the ceiling. Nice, that's impressive,

485
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: But you know there's a song there just from like

486
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 1: your past music that I love, Good Old Days that

487
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 1: you did with Mac That is such a beautiful song.

488
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: And I think the lyrics and rainbow just about the rainbow. Yeah,

489
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: and just like the colors, Like colors are great, colors

490
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: are great. I just put out makeup and it's really

491
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about that. Yeah, I'll

492
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: send you a box of it if you want. It's

493
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: very bright and yes, please, okay, cool, I'll send you

494
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: a box. But I'm so excited about it because it's

495
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: so bright and colorful, beauty, And I just wanted to

496
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: make something that would make people happy, and I think

497
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: colors make people happy. There's something about it. I don't

498
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: know what it is. What do you think your favorite colors?

499
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: Like if you had to only wear one color for

500
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: the rest of your life, I don't know if I

501
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: could do that, Like if you had to, if I

502
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: had to, is rainbow a color? I'm not, no, I'm gonna.

503
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it hard for you. It would be

504
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: either a baby pink or turquoise, oh, or a puke

505
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: green like a shart truth, So I can't pick. Yeah,

506
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: but light pink is so pretty. All those I've had

507
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: my hair all those colors, so I was thinking about

508
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: all my favorite hair colors. I love your hair color.

509
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: Is talking about this earlier. I think it's so cool.

510
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm still kind of getting used to it. Yeah,

511
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 1: I feel like when I look at myself in the mirror,

512
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like an alien. Yeah, when you're

513
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: used to seeing yourself fun way, But then I also

514
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: like challenging it, Like I used to not wear a

515
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: lot of color, and now I want to because it's

516
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: almost just reconnecting with my child self, child self and

517
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: my child heart is. I love color and I love glitter,

518
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: and I don't care what I love glitter. I think

519
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 1: it's like an innate animal instinct almost to like sparkly things.

520
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: I know that I literally have unicorn socks and unicorn necklace.

521
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: I love color and everything well, I love also unicorns,

522
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: so incredible. I want to talk to you about Kesher's beauty.

523
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: The colors in your palette are just it makes me

524
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: happy looking at it good. That was my goal packing

525
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: and the color is just the whole thing to feel

526
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: like magical. So do you when you're creating a makeup line,

527
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: how do you decide what you want it? To look like,

528
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: because it looks very cohesive but also very um different.

529
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: I wanted it to be unique. I wanted it to

530
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: be something that if you had it out on your

531
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: counter or in your purse, that if you pulled it out,

532
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: people would be like, what is that? That's really cool?

533
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: Especially the I palette. I wanted it's foil and velvet

534
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: and stars and there's a tassel, and there's all these

535
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: colors and summer day and summer night and summer whatever

536
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: you want. And I just wanted to give people something

537
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: really special because it's something that is it easy to apply,

538
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: because it's hot, it's This is why it took me

539
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: over a year to make this is because I love

540
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: all the colors. So I was like, I want cold free, right,

541
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: So it's cruelty free, not tested on animals, not made

542
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: of any animals, super pigmented, which is hard to achieve

543
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: when it's cruelty free and just has absolutely no harm

544
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: done to any animals. Like working on a red that

545
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: was really difficult. I can't imagine how hard it is

546
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: to develop red. It's hard because it's usually made out

547
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: of like smushed up beetles. That's usually what red is

548
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,959
Speaker 1: from you learned something every day. No smushed animals in

549
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: my makeup, so yeah, and if you add water to

550
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: the eyeshadows then they get even more pigmented, so you

551
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: can just like play with it and it's for playing,

552
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: it's for feeling. Oh, I want to try this, like

553
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: happy and excited about life, and I like to do

554
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: one eye one color sometimes and one eye the other color,

555
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: and I'd just go full like yeah, why not exactly.

556
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: I've just like, like I was telling you before, I've

557
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: I'm not really into like beauty standards of what I'm

558
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: supposed to be. I would like to just do what

559
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: makes me happy, and I think especially with my makeup,

560
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: I would like for everybody else to do that, just

561
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: do what makes me happy. Well, I feel like you

562
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: just to sidetrack for a second. I feel like you

563
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: have so many great memories and experiences just because you

564
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: want to test things and try new things. What do

565
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: you think the most memorable and or rebellious thing you

566
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: did when you're a teen? Well, so my mom wasn't. Honestly,

567
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: I think it was. She wrote country music. So I

568
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: was like, what is the polar opposite kind of music

569
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: I could make? And it was like dancy, like it

570
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: was emotional, but it was also like I don't call

571
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: it rapping, I call it ship talking because I myself

572
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: a rapper. But I was like, what would be like

573
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: the polar opposite of what kind of music my mom writes?

574
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: And so I kind of just went like full dance

575
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: and was talking shit and like just went in a

576
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: totally different direction. That's kind of how I found my

577
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: sound initially was by accident. It was just me trying

578
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: to rebel against what my mom would have wanted me

579
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, and it's funny because now I've come

580
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: full circle and just but as a song with Sturgill

581
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: Simpson and love country music. So hey, everything happens for

582
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: a reason in that way, I think I like to

583
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: believe it does, because if you don't believe that, and

584
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: there are some days I don't, But I think it

585
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: depends on the situation. Like I feel like, if the

586
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: star is aligne, you know, then why not think it

587
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: happens for a reason. It's kind of you can make

588
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: that choice or not. And it feels nice to think

589
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: something's watching out over you and everything's happening for a

590
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: reason and there is karma all of those very hippie

591
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: things I do. I do believe in because it makes

592
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: me feel comforted. Yeah, And I mean I also know

593
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: that it might not be real, but I like to

594
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: believe it. I think I think it was you on

595
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: the Zach Saying Show when I heard you say that

596
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: you believe that, Well, you're talking about raising hell and

597
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: you're talking about that you believe you can make heaven

598
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: on earth. Can you talk more about that? Sure? I

599
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: think that like our experience, how we behave to ourselves

600
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: to other people, being honest, chasing our dreams, believing in ourselves,

601
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: all of those things can contribute to leading a more

602
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: positive or quote unquote heavenly experience. And I'm not so

603
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: worried about being judged at the gates of heaven or hell.

604
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: I'm more concerned with leading a really honest life and

605
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: standing for something and being remembered for standing for something

606
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: and being a good person and being on the right

607
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: side of history. And I feel like that to me

608
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: is living in your heaven, and living in your hell

609
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: would be not following your heart and not following your truth.

610
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: I love that is that how you want to be remembered,

611
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: And like, that's what is that what you want your

612
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: legacy to be weird. You're asking me that because I

613
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: was up all night last night, I couldn't sleep because

614
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: of the full moon, and I wrote a song called legacy.

615
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: That's really bizarre. You asked me that that's so weird.

616
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: But I was talking about how I don't really know

617
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: what I want to be on my tombstone. I think

618
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: it should just say like party on but of us, Yes,

619
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: because I also just think we're here for a short time.

620
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: I think we're we all should try to have the

621
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: best time we possibly can. And there's a little bit

622
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: of nihilism in that, which is you know it is

623
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: what it is. You know you never know how long

624
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: you're going to be here for, so live it to

625
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: the fullest. And a lot of my songs are about that.

626
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: I know. I think it's I just think it's so

627
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: incredible and it makes me smile that you did a

628
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: song with kes with Kesha with the dollar sign. Can

629
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: you hear it? I love it. It's like, what made you?

630
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: How do you come up with that idea to do

631
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: a collaboration with your former your former self, your former reputation. Well,

632
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: I think it's just like me being self aware that

633
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: at that time when I had the dollar sign and

634
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: my name and people just have no idea what to

635
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: do with me, and like really really had no idea,

636
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: and so I wanted to be my current self, but

637
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: featuring that part of me. And so what made you

638
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: change from the dollar sign to the just a regular sum?

639
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: Was there a mementire like today's the day I had

640
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: like just a year of change and going through some

641
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: really heavy stuff, and it was a lot thrown at

642
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Speaker 1: me right in one year, and it just made me

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Speaker 1: want to I wanted to respect myself as an artist

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Speaker 1: more because I felt like I wasn't being seen for

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Speaker 1: who I really am, and I think to be seen

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Speaker 1: for who you really are, you have to present who

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Speaker 1: you actually are. And a huge part of that was

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Speaker 1: being more vulnerable and not always just being so self

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Speaker 1: deprecating and taking the piss Like my Twitter handle used

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Speaker 1: to be Cashia sucks because I thought I'll just beat

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Speaker 1: people to the punchline. So but then I just I

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Speaker 1: wanted to just feel like I was being nicer to

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Speaker 1: myself and it's hard to do that. It was thought

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Speaker 1: literally the hardest thing in the entire world. That's my

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Speaker 1: biggest challenge. What do you say to someone who's like

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Speaker 1: going through that needs to overcome to self love? Self

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Speaker 1: love is such a hard thing because it's so easy

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Speaker 1: to talk about, is really really hard to practice. I

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Speaker 1: think giving myself a break is really really hard. And

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Speaker 1: I mean, you seem like you're a very ambitious person yourself.

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Speaker 1: It's really hard to be really ambitious and want to

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Speaker 1: conquer the world in whatever field you're going for and

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Speaker 1: then also take it easy on yourself. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you I'm very I'm very critical of myself. Me too,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's part of what makes my work ethic.

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Speaker 1: I love to work and I love to be so

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Speaker 1: involved in everything because it's so cool creating something. It's

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Speaker 1: the best, the best feeling. Oh my god, I love it.

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Speaker 1: This is the first thing I've ever created. And the

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Speaker 1: fact that it's like, you know, I was working on

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Speaker 1: it in my room and now it's like I'm talking

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Speaker 1: to you, like man, like amazing. You should as you

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Speaker 1: totally should. And I used to just feel like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm such a douche bag. If I ever say anything

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Speaker 1: nice about myself, it's hard for me to do it.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to make more of an effort to

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Speaker 1: just be like I want me too. Every day, every

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Speaker 1: day something I work on because I just never want

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Speaker 1: to come off like I'm full of myself, are conceited,

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Speaker 1: or you're bragging. You know, you just want to share

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Speaker 1: your experience. I got you. But I also feel like, wow,

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Speaker 1: I work, I work a lot to do this thing,

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Speaker 1: and I should be able to say a nice thing

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Speaker 1: about it without feeling like a douche bag. That's really

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Speaker 1: hard for me. It's really hard to relax sometimes, like

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Speaker 1: just especially just to take a breath, like live in

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Speaker 1: the moment. It's one of the hardest things stay. But

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Speaker 1: when you're in the moment, it's the best feeling. Well,

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Speaker 1: like here, I might here with you. You know, we're

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Speaker 1: like creating something that is part of your destiny and mine.

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Speaker 1: So I feel really good about this time. But then

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Speaker 1: if I were to go home and just like lay

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Speaker 1: on the couch, I would be there for about two

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Speaker 1: minutes and then I would feel really guilty and go

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Speaker 1: upstairs and start like playing the piano. That's so interesting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's like the healthiest thing in

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Speaker 1: the world, but I find it so interesting just I'm

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Speaker 1: obsessed with it creating. Yeah, it makes me feel like

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Speaker 1: peaceful when I can create, it makes me feel useful

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Speaker 1: and peaceful. And I don't know if it's like the

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Speaker 1: healthiest thing, but for me in my life, I found

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Speaker 1: it to be the most therapeutic thing when I create.

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Speaker 1: What is your biggest goal as an artist? Is it

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Speaker 1: to win Grammys? Is it to make a certain amount

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Speaker 1: of albums? You know? What use to be things like

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Speaker 1: of course, who doesn't want to grant me? You know?

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Speaker 1: If you make music, of course that's like a dream.

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Speaker 1: But I've tried to make it more um less dependent

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Speaker 1: on external validation. So something like that you really have

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Speaker 1: no control over. So I don't want to put my

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Speaker 1: happiness in the hands of something I have zero control over.

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Speaker 1: I'd rather make control of situation. Yeah, and just feel

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Speaker 1: successful in creating a song like praying. That song is

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Speaker 1: like a journey, and like a song, I feel you

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Speaker 1: every time I sing it, I feel like you go

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Speaker 1: through a story. I go through it every every single

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Speaker 1: time I sing that song. But I've had so many

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Speaker 1: people that have gone through very very different things that

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Speaker 1: I've gone through and have just said they related to

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Speaker 1: that song and that to me is the best feeling

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Speaker 1: in the world. Knowing that you've connected with someone and

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Speaker 1: I can't helped them in a way, I feel not alone.

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Speaker 1: That to me is success. I hope that's what this does.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just so happy and grateful that you know,

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Speaker 1: you're on this week's episode, and it just means the

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Speaker 1: world to me. Thank you, And I'm so excited for you.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, you're seventeen, and that's so impressive that

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Speaker 1: you're so you're just so in charge of your life

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Speaker 1: and you're doing what you want to do, and I

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Speaker 1: just think that's badass. It's really hard to just go

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Speaker 1: after what you want and have the confidence to do

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Speaker 1: it and really just do it, and you're doing it,

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Speaker 1: and it's amazing and really inspiring. Well, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Well, thank you so much for being

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Speaker 1: on this week's episode. Make sure you go listen to

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Speaker 1: Kesha's new album High Road Amazing. Hope you guys like it. Bye,

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited for you. I hope you guys enjoyed

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Speaker 1: this episode with Kesha. I had such an incredible time

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Speaker 1: just getting to know her. Make sure you go listen

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Speaker 1: to her new album High Road and follow her on

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Speaker 1: her socials. Her instagram is I is who I Is.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you follow my instagram which is It's Sammy

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Speaker 1: j I T S S A M M Y j

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Speaker 1: A y E. And also follow my podcast instagram, which

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Speaker 1: is crazy to say, it's Sammy j Dot. Let's be

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Speaker 1: real and you're gonna want to follow that because there

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Speaker 1: are some pretty exciting giveaways coming and a lot of

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Speaker 1: fun stuff. Um. I hope you guys enjoyed this week's

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Speaker 1: episode by