1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: And you're here. 2 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 2: Thanks for choosing the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost Day 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: and Paranormal Podcast Network. Your quest for podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 2: and the unexplained ends here. They invite you to enjoy 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: all our shows we have on this network, and right now, 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 3: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 3: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 3: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 3: to Coast, AM employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 3: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi. 13 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,319 Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 14 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 15 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 3: On each episode, will discuss the reasons we now know 16 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 3: that our loved ones have survived physical death and so 17 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 3: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. I want 18 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,639 Speaker 3: to start today with a question that we often wonder 19 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 3: about the afterlife. Do you believe that romance has an 20 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: expiration date? For many of us. We've been conditioned by 21 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 3: the traditions of this world to believe in those famous 22 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 3: five words, till death do us part. We've been taught 23 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 3: that once someone crosses over that the romantic connection stops. 24 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 3: Or maybe you've lived a life where you've truly never 25 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 3: been romanced or been seen or gotten by a partner, 26 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 3: and you're wondering what about me. Of course, there are 27 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 3: others in great relationships and others maybe not. But our 28 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 3: conversation today is going to be about romance across the veil. 29 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 3: And if you are in the boat like me, we 30 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 3: might be single, or maybe you're in a relationship and 31 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 3: don't feel fully romanced. I want you to pay attention 32 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 3: and stay tuned till the end of the episode, because 33 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 3: guess what, we do get romanced in the afterlife, even 34 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 3: if we haven't met our soulmate here on earth. There's 35 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 3: one thing that is absolutely true in every single case, 36 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 3: and that love carries on. It's the most powerful force 37 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 3: in the universe. And yes, I mean all kinds of love, 38 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: but today I want to talk about that deep, specific 39 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 3: romantic love that you share or you want to share 40 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 3: with your soulmate. Today we're going to hear some special stories. 41 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 3: We'll meet a woman named Mary Beth who found her 42 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 3: high school sweetheart after thirty one years, only to lose 43 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 3: him to cancer and then find him again through a 44 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 3: sign involving the afterlife. We'll hear about a logical, left 45 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 3: brained insurance guy who didn't believe in any of this 46 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 3: until his wife gave him a physical sign while he 47 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 3: was driving. And I'm going to tell you about a 48 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 3: brilliant neuroscientist who spent her career diagnosing people with mental 49 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 3: illness until her own husband passed away and started inserting 50 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 3: thoughts into her mind to prove he was still right 51 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 3: there with her. Let's start with the story of Stephen Simon. 52 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 3: I bet you've seen some of his movies, but you 53 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 3: didn't know his name. He produced Somewhere in Time with 54 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 3: Jane Seymour and Christopher Reeve. That's the movie about a 55 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 3: love so strong it literally pulls the man through time 56 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 3: just to be with the woman of his dreams. He 57 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 3: also produced What Dreams May Come, which starred Robin Williams 58 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 3: and won an Academy Award for how it showed the 59 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 3: afterlife as a beautiful, painted world created by our own thoughts. 60 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 3: But even though Stephen made these movies, when his own Wifelauren, 61 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 3: passed away in twenty eighteen, he was hit with a 62 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 3: level of grief that no one ever expects. He told 63 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 3: me he was out of his mind with grief. He 64 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 3: was a basket case for six weeks. He eventually called 65 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 3: his good friend Neil Donald Walsh, author of the books 66 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 3: Conversations with God, and he was crying on the telephone. 67 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 3: Neil told him something that changed his perspective. He said, 68 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: good Stephen, you have to be out of your mind 69 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 3: and now in your heart, because that's where you're going 70 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,799 Speaker 3: to spend the rest of your life with Lauren. Stephen 71 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 3: realized that Lauren hadn't gone away to some far off 72 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 3: place in the clouds. They began to communicate through something 73 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 3: called inspired writing. Stephen would sit down with a yellow 74 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 3: legal pad, get into that quiet heart space, and he 75 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 3: would feel her words. He says, the afterlife isn't a 76 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 3: one size fits all experience. It reflects our own beliefs. 77 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 3: He and Lauren actually sat down before she passed and 78 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 3: designed what their heavenly reunion would look like. Stephen says 79 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 3: that romance does not dry up when we die, it 80 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 3: becomes luminous, it becomes the very air we breathe. He says, 81 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 3: he is now so happy because he knows that Lauren 82 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 3: is still his partner. Now here's a story about doctor 83 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 3: Tara Swart that provides the scientific wow factor for this 84 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 3: romantic connection. Tara is a neuroscientist and a medical doctor. 85 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 3: She spent her years in the sterile material world. In 86 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 3: her medical training, if someone said that they saw a ghost, 87 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 3: or heard a voice, or a deathbdvision or a near 88 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 3: death experience, she was part of the team that would 89 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 3: label them as delusional or schizophrenic. To her, the soul 90 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 3: was just a fantasy for religious people. But then her 91 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 3: beloved husband, Robin, died of leukemia just two days before 92 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 3: their fourth wedding anniversary. Her world of logic was shattered. 93 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 3: About six weeks after he passed, something happened that no 94 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 3: medical book could explain. You see, one night, at four 95 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 3: in the morning, she was jolted awake by a massive, 96 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 3: forceful thump on her shoulder. It wasn't a dream, it 97 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 3: wasn't a grief hallucination. It was a physical touch. She 98 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 3: opened her eyes and there, sitting right next to her 99 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 3: on her bed, she saw a hazy version of her husband, Robin. 100 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 3: He looked like he was pushing himself through a thick 101 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 3: fog just to be seen. Then she watched him become 102 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 3: clearer and clearer. She could see the outline of his 103 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 3: hair and his face, and then he slowly dissolved from 104 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 3: the top down. Being a scientist, she tried to talk 105 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 3: herself out of what she just saw. She thought her 106 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 3: brain was having a glitch of some sort from the trauma. 107 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 3: But then she started waking up every single morning feeling 108 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 3: freezing cold. She was shivering each time, so she would 109 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: blast up the heat, even though she kept the room warm, 110 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 3: as she called like a sauna. She eventually looked back 111 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 3: at her calendar and realized that Robin had always hated 112 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 3: the cold, and during those exact weeks, his physical body 113 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 3: was being refrigerated in a drawer at the morgue. She 114 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 3: feels that she was tuning in to his physical state. 115 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 3: Because their souls are still entangled, She decided to give 116 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 3: Robin a challenge. She said, in her mind, Darling, if 117 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 3: you're really here and you can hear me, send me 118 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 3: this sign of a phoenix. Now. She chose that because 119 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 3: it's rare. You don't just see a phoenix on the 120 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 3: street like you see a common bird. The very next day, 121 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 3: she was driving through Chinatown in Oklahoma City and passed 122 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 3: a restaurant with a huge, bright sign, the Phoenix Garden. 123 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 3: But then the universe had one more wink for her. 124 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 3: On the anniversary of his death, she was flying home 125 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 3: to Los Angeles. Her flight was canceled and the airline 126 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 3: told her she had to spend the night on a 127 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 3: layover in Phoenix, Arizona. That was the exact day of 128 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 3: his anniversary. Terra says now, as a neuroscientist, she is 129 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 3: one hundred percent sure that our brains are just filters, 130 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 3: and that when we love someone that deeply, the filter 131 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 3: opens up so we can pick up their signal. There's 132 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 3: another incredible story about a woman named Irene Weinberg. Irene 133 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 3: was a complete non believer before her experience. One day, 134 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 3: she was standing at her kitchen sink washing dishes in 135 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 3: that very present in the zone state. Suddenly a thought 136 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 3: popped into her head that she knew with absolute certainty 137 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 3: wasn't hers. It said, Saul has to go. Many lessons 138 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 3: will be learned from his death. She was terrified of course, 139 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 3: she looked at her husband, Saul, who was sitting on 140 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 3: the couch watching a football game. She brought him a 141 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 3: glass of water, kissed the top of his head, and 142 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 3: tried to ignore that message. Two months later, they were 143 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 3: driving home from a ski weekend when their car suddenly swerved. 144 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 3: They were going so fast, and the car started to 145 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 3: flip through the air over four times. Irene heard that 146 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 3: voice again in her head. It said, he's not going 147 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 3: to make it, but you are. Saul did pass away 148 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 3: in that crash, but Irene had a spiritually transformative experience 149 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 3: right there in the car wreck. She felt Saul's spirit 150 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 3: leave his body, and she felt the presence of what 151 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 3: she calls honest to God angels that surrounded their car 152 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 3: with emerald and blue light. Later, saw communicated through a 153 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 3: medium to give her specific, undeniable proof. He told her 154 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 3: that he had actually left his body before the car 155 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 3: stopped flipping, but he stayed close to steer the vehicle 156 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 3: in a way that would make sure that Irene survived. 157 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 3: He told her that when he crossed over, his mother 158 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: was waiting for him with open arms, and she was 159 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 3: dressed in her old favorite house dress and the specific 160 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 3: hairdoo from thirty years ago, just so he could recognize her, 161 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 3: and then his mother led him to a deli where 162 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 3: they had coffee and bagels. Saul told Irene through the medium, 163 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 3: imagine the shock to find that even in heaven I 164 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 3: could still have a cup of coffee and a bagel. 165 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 3: It shows that our personalities and our romantic bonds, and 166 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 3: thankfully even our favorite snacks, stay with us. We don't 167 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 3: become some distant or different version of ourselves. On the 168 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 3: other side, we are the same people, just without the 169 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 3: heavy physical suit or bag of bones that some call 170 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 3: it that get sick or old. I see this in 171 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 3: my own life and in the lives of listeners. Every 172 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 3: day I get so many incredible emails. I remember a 173 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 3: story from a woman who was missing her husband so terribly. 174 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 3: It was their anniversary and she was feeling that dark 175 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 3: cloud of grief. She asked him for a sign, anything 176 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 3: to know that he was still with her. That afternoon, 177 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 3: she went to the florist to buy some flowers for 178 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 3: her house. There was a man in front of her 179 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 3: in line, and he turned around, handed her a single 180 00:11:55,880 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 3: red rose and said, my wife always loved these. I 181 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 3: feel like you should have this today. He didn't know her, 182 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 3: he didn't know it was her wedding anniversary. She feels 183 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 3: he was just a messenger from her husband on the 184 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 3: other side. So whether it's a husband steering a car 185 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 3: from the spirit world, or a neuroscientist flying through Phoenix, 186 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 3: or a stranger handing out a red rose, the message 187 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 3: is clear romance, that love is a silver cord that 188 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 3: never ever breaks. Love is the only currency that carries 189 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 3: over from this world to the next. When we get back, 190 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 3: you're going to hear more about Mary Beth and hear 191 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 3: the beautiful story of her reunion with her soulmate after 192 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 3: thirty one years apart. And we'll talk about the ordinary 193 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 3: banter of a marriage that continues through a very special 194 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 3: medium from the past. Lots of love in this episode 195 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 3: and lots of good news for all. We'll be right back. 196 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 3: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio 197 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 3: and Coast to Coast, a m podcast network. Welcome back 198 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 3: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain. When we 199 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 3: think about the afterlife or heaven, sometimes we picture the clouds. 200 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 3: There's some really holy place. Maybe Saint Peter is greeting 201 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 3: us at the pearly gates. You might see monks and 202 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 3: guides and people in robes. It's easy to think of 203 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 3: our loved ones becoming saints who lose their personality and 204 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 3: become one with everything, and they're oh so holy and wise. 205 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 3: But my research after all these years, has shown me 206 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 3: something completely different. You know what that is is that 207 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 3: we get to keep our personalities on the other side. 208 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:08,719 Speaker 3: Everything that makes you quirky and you, you know, with 209 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 3: that crazy sense of humor you might have, you continue 210 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 3: to be you. And that means our loved ones continue 211 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 3: to be them. We fall in love with these quirks 212 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 3: about people. They aren't boring, They still have their personality 213 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 3: very much intact. You know. I see this every Sunday 214 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 3: on our Sunday gathering with the medium demonstration. It's really 215 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 3: funny sometimes with some of the shared memories that come 216 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 3: through and what they still say they're doing in the afterlife. Anyways, 217 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 3: let's continue. I want to talk about my friend Mary 218 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 3: Beth span Menk. Her story is the perfect example of 219 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 3: what she calls interwoven souls. Mary Beth's was born in Dublin, 220 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 3: Ireland and was adopted into a family in Buffalo, New York. 221 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 3: She grew up with a wonderful Irish spirit, and it 222 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 3: was in high school that she met a boy named 223 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 3: Paul in the nineteen seventies. He was the high school valedictorian. 224 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 3: He was smart, funny, adorable, and Mary Beth said she 225 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 3: was instantly smitten. On their very first date, Paul told 226 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 3: her I really like you, but I'm only seventeen and 227 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 3: I'm probably going away to college, so don't get too 228 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 3: hung up on me. Well, of course, Mary Beth proceeded 229 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 3: to do exactly that. She fell head over heels in 230 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 3: love with him. They exchanged high school rings and they 231 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 3: were going steady, but eventually Paul walked her home and 232 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 3: gave her the ring back. He wanted to follow his 233 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 3: own path. Mary Beth watched him walk away, and through 234 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 3: her tears, she thought, if you truly love someone, you 235 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 3: have to want for them what they want for themselves. 236 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 3: So they both went off and lived entirely separate lives. 237 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 3: They married other people, they had children, they moved to 238 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 3: different states. Thirty one years went by without them speaking 239 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 3: a single word. Then they reconnected online. Mary Beth says 240 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 3: that the moment they started talking again all that love 241 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 3: came rushing back. It was like they were seventeen again 242 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 3: in Buffalo. Eventually, after both of their previous marriages ended, 243 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 3: they were finally able to be together. Paul used to 244 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 3: joke that they were finally street legal. They had ten 245 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 3: magnificent years together in Michigan. It was the kind of deep, 246 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 3: mature love that people dream about. But then life threw 247 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 3: them a curveball. Paul was diagnosed with cancer. Mary Beth 248 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 3: became his caregiver, and they went through an eighteen month 249 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 3: journey that, of course was incredibly difficult, but also very 250 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 3: special to both of them. One of the last things 251 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 3: Paul said to her while they were sitting side by 252 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 3: side on his hospital bed with their legs dangling over 253 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 3: the edge, was I think this whole thing has brought 254 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 3: us even closer together. Can you imagine that, in the 255 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 3: face of the unwonted journey of cancer, their love for 256 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 3: each other was growing stronger. After Paul passed, Marybeth of 257 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 3: course was heartbroken, but she was also a seeker. She 258 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 3: wanted proof that Paul was still around her. One morning, 259 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 3: she was at the sink brushing her teeth, just a 260 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 3: normal boring mourning and all of a sudden, she felt 261 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 3: flooded with goosebumps. This wish. It was a strong feeling 262 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 3: that Paul was standing right there with her. It was 263 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 3: his presence right there. So Mary Beth of course wanted more. 264 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 3: She's a writer and a researcher, so she started looking 265 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 3: into the work of a medium from the past named 266 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 3: Leslie Flint. Now, Leslie Flint is what they call a 267 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 3: direct voice medium. He didn't go into a trance or 268 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 3: he wasn't talking like an ordinary medium does. He would 269 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 3: sit in the dark with people and voices would actually 270 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 3: manifest in the air around him, just a few feet 271 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 3: from his head. Everyone in the room could hear them. 272 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 3: He was one of the most tested mediums in history. 273 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 3: Scientists would even put colored dye in his mouth and 274 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 3: tape it shut with surgical tape to prove he wasn't 275 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 3: a ventriloquist, and yet the voices of loved ones in 276 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 3: their same voice would fill the room. One of the 277 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 3: most famous sets of recordings from Leslie Flint features a 278 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 3: husband and wife, doctor Dinshaw Nanji, who was a chemist 279 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 3: from India and his wife Annie, who was deceased. Mary 280 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 3: Beth spent hundreds of hours transcribing these old, scratchy recordings. 281 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 3: It felt like she was eavesdropping on a real happy marriage. 282 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 3: They talked about ordinary and even funny stuff. Annie would 283 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 3: tease Dinshaw about his clothes. One day, she said, Dinshaw, 284 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 3: you're still wearing that hat. It's so old it's embarrassing. 285 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 3: Please go get yourself a new hat and tell yourself 286 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 3: it's a gift from me. She'd even tease the medium 287 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 3: mister Flint, tell him he's getting too fat. That shows 288 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 3: that Annie is still Annie. She was still a wife 289 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 3: who cared about her husband's appearance and still had a 290 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 3: sense of humor. Dinshaw once asked her Annie, when I 291 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 3: come to see you, will I be able to feel 292 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 3: your kiss on my lips? And she said, of course 293 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 3: you will, Darling. Our world is as solid to us 294 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 3: as yours is to you. Doesn't that make you happy 295 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 3: because it means we don't lose the physical sweetness of 296 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 3: our relationships. Our loved ones are right here with us, 297 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 3: and they're just vibrating at a different frequency. And then 298 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 3: Mary Beth got her own special sign that she says 299 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 3: was statistically impossible. When she had moved to Michigan to 300 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 3: be with Paul. She had given away a lot of 301 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 3: her clothes after he died. She was trying to remember 302 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 3: the dress she had worn on the very first day 303 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 3: they finally became an official couple. She could remember the day, 304 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 3: she could remember the feeling, but she couldn't remember the dress. 305 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 3: A few days later, she was visiting a friend on 306 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 3: Long Island. Her friend's granddaughter, who was thirteen, walked into 307 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 3: the spare bedroom where Mary Beth was staying, and she 308 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 3: was wearing that exact dress. The girl had no idea 309 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 3: whose it was or where it came from. She just 310 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 3: picked it out of a pile in the closet. Mary 311 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 3: Beth was shocked. She consulted a statistician who said the 312 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 3: odds of that happening were twenty million to one. It 313 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 3: was Paul saying, I remember that day too, I remember 314 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 3: what you were wearing. This is it, and you look beautiful. 315 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 3: Now Here is a story about the coffee proof. Mary 316 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 3: Beth has a ritual where she pours two cups of 317 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 3: coffee every single morning, one for her and one for Paul. 318 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 3: In spirit. She sits at the table and talks to him, 319 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 3: sharing her day. Sometimes she feels a little crazy, doing it, 320 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 3: thinking she's wasting a good cup of coffee by eventually 321 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 3: pouring it down the sink. 322 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 4: Well. 323 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 3: She had a reading with a medium later on who 324 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 3: didn't know a thing about her or a thing about 325 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 3: her life. The medium stopped in the middle of the 326 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,719 Speaker 3: reading and said, your husband is bringing me the smell 327 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 3: of fresh coffee, and he wants you to know it 328 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: isn't a waste. He is drinking it with you. Isn't 329 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 3: that cool. It's the ordinary, everyday things that prove the 330 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 3: reality of the afterlife and that they're still here with us. 331 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 3: This reminds me so much of Bob Ginsburg, the co 332 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 3: founder of the Forever Family Foundation. Bob was a logical, 333 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,959 Speaker 3: left brained insurance guy for over forty years. He used 334 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 3: to laugh at people who believed in the afterlife and 335 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 3: communication through the veil. He thought we were all doing 336 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 3: just wishful thinking. But then his daughter died in a 337 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 3: car accident. Later, his wife, Fran, passed away. Bob told 338 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 3: me that Fran had the softest, most silkiest hands, and 339 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 3: he had this habit when they were driving where he 340 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 3: would hold out his right hand and she would grab 341 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 3: his thumb. It was their little I love you ritual 342 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 3: that they did for decades after Fran passed. Bob would 343 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 3: be driving his car and he would hold out his 344 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 3: thumb into the empty air. Feeling like an idiot, he said, 345 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 3: but asking her for a sign. For a year and 346 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 3: a half, nothing happened. He'd say, Fran, come on, just 347 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 3: grab my thumb. Then one day he said, Fran, I 348 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 3: really need this. I'm struggling today. Suddenly he felt a vibrant, 349 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 3: vibrating energy grasp his thumb. He said, it wasn't a 350 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,719 Speaker 3: feeling in his head or a memory, it was a 351 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 3: physical sensation that lasted for fifteen minutes. He could feel 352 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 3: the energy moving from the base of his thumb all 353 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 3: the way to the tip and back down. He now 354 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 3: says he is a kindred skeptic who has been forced 355 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 3: to follow the evidence. And now Bob has gone on 356 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 3: with the Forever Family Foundation, making a difference just for 357 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 3: thousands of people in the world. I know we can't 358 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 3: see them, my friends, but our loved ones are right here. 359 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 3: As Annie Nanji said to her husband, their world is 360 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 3: just as real as ours. They see you shopping, they 361 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 3: hear you talking to them, and they are definitely sitting 362 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 3: with you, or holding your hand when you need it 363 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 3: the most. Mary Beth told me she now feels Paul 364 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 3: coming and going just like he's coming home from work. 365 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 3: She says, I don't wallow in the pain anymore because 366 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 3: I use that pain like a church bell. When it rings, 367 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 3: it reminds me to start a conversation with him. I 368 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 3: think there's some encouragement in all of that for us 369 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 3: to do the same. If we're grieving today, or if 370 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 3: that pang of grief strikes us from out of nowhere, 371 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,959 Speaker 3: don't wait for something to happen. We can make something happen. 372 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 3: Give them a sign, pour the coffee, buy the flowers 373 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 3: they loved, or do something that they loved to do. 374 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 3: Talk out loud while you're driving. When we raise our 375 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 3: own vibration by acting out of love rather than out 376 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 3: of lack and grief, I think it makes it easier 377 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 3: for them to reach us. You've heard people say prime 378 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 3: the pump. Well, I think that's what we're doing, and 379 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 3: eventually love can start rushing through. Even taking a walk 380 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 3: down memory lane and thinking about some favorite memories you've 381 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 3: had with them, and don't be surprised if suddenly they 382 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 3: put memories in your mind of things you haven't thought 383 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 3: of in a long time. Mary Beth told me Mary Meat, 384 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 3: Mary part and Mary meet again. I like that we 385 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 3: met our loved ones enjoy We parted in temporary sadness, 386 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 3: but we will absolutely meet again in a reunion that 387 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 3: is more wonderful than anything we can imagine, and it 388 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 3: will be forever. When we come back from the break, 389 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 3: I'll share a story that hopefully will leave you saying wow, 390 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,479 Speaker 3: and don't forget. At the end, there's hope for us 391 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 3: single people in the afterlife if we don't find true 392 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 3: love here first, that is, We'll be right back. You're 393 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 3: listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and 394 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 3: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to 395 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 3: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sander Champlain. You know, a 396 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 3: lot of people think you need to be born with 397 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 3: some kind of a special gift to talk to our 398 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 3: loved ones. On the other side, they think you have 399 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 3: to be a medium or somebody who was seeing spirits 400 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 3: in their crib at two years old. But my research 401 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 3: has shown me that the only requirement for that connection 402 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 3: is love. Love is the signal and your heart is 403 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 3: the antenna, and sometimes we just need a little bit 404 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 3: of an extra tool to help us tune that antenna in. 405 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 3: I want to talk to you about a wonderful woman 406 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 3: named Pam Johnson. She wrote a book called super Natural Love, 407 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 3: and she didn't write it alone. She says she wrote 408 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 3: it with her husband Alan, after he had passed away. Now, 409 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 3: Alan was actually a medium while he was alive, so 410 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 3: they were already open to these ideas. But when he 411 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 3: died suddenly on his birthday, Pam wasn't thinking about mediumship 412 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,479 Speaker 3: or evidence. She was just a grieving wife who had 413 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 3: lost her best friend. And of course she was devastated. 414 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 3: But very quickly she started to feel him around her. 415 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 3: He wasn't just sending signs like feathers or coins. He 416 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 3: wanted to talk and he had things to say. He 417 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 3: told her, Pam, I want you to write this down. 418 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 3: If I tell you mine to mind, you're going to 419 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 3: forget it. So Pam sat down with a pen and 420 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 3: a notebook. I think this is practical for all of us. 421 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 3: Pam said she had to learn to prime the pump. 422 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 3: She admitted that sometimes she just sits there with a 423 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 3: pen hovering over the paper and nothing happens. She feels silly, 424 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 3: she feels like she's making it up. So Alan gave 425 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 3: her a trick from the spirit world. He told her, 426 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 3: just start writing. Even if the first sentence is something 427 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 3: you make up, just continue to write. He explained that 428 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 3: the act of writing that first sentence, like dear Pam, 429 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 3: I am right here, opens the door. It tells your logical, 430 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 3: doubting brain to just step aside and let the spirit 431 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 3: world slip into the stream of your thoughts. Pam said, 432 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 3: you just have to jump in channeling your family members, 433 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 3: your spouse, your best friend. It isn't hard because you 434 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 3: already have the love connection. We are connected, We are 435 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 3: all one. The only stumbling block is that we believe 436 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 3: it's hard or believe we can't do it. They ended 437 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 3: up writing a whole book together, and the book is 438 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 3: just a simple conversation with a husband and wife bridging 439 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 3: the gap between the two worlds. 440 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 4: It was their. 441 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 3: Romance just continuing on the pages of a book. So 442 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 3: this reminds me of Steven Simon, who I mentioned, the 443 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 3: Hollywood producer who made What Dreams May Come And somewhere 444 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 3: in time, he spent his career making movies about eternal love. 445 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 3: But when his own wife, Lauren passed away, he had 446 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 3: to learn how to live it. So he gave me 447 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 3: some advice, and I think this is the missing key 448 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 3: for many of us who try to connect. He told 449 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 3: me that when he started writing with Lauren, people would 450 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 3: ask him, Stephen, do you hear her voice? Does it 451 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 3: sound like her? And he would say no, I don't 452 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 3: hear her voice. Instead, Stephen says, he her words. And 453 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 3: this is the distinction he wants us to understand. The 454 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 3: brain speaks one language, the heart speaks another. The brain 455 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 3: speaks in logic, doubt, et cetera. The heart speaks in feeling, knowing, 456 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 3: and silence. Stephen says that to connect with our loved ones, 457 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 3: we have to be willing to learn their language. He said, 458 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 3: the brain does not understand the language of the heart 459 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 3: because the heart plays by its own rules. When he 460 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 3: sits down to write with Lauren, he has to get 461 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 3: out of his own mind and into that heart space. 462 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 4: He says. 463 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 3: It feels like a warm, sudden knowing of what she 464 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 3: would say. It's not a sound, it's an emotion that 465 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 3: translates into words. So if you're sitting there with a 466 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 3: pen and you don't hear a voice, don't worry, you're 467 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 3: not doing it wrong. Look for the feeling, look for 468 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 3: the sentence that might bring tears to your eyes or 469 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 3: make you smile before you even finish writing it. That 470 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 3: is the language of the heart, that is your loved one. 471 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 3: And sometimes they speak to us in our own voice. 472 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 3: In fact, our soul can do that too, and we 473 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 3: get a good idea out of the blue, or a 474 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 3: message or a memory can sound like just us. Now, 475 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 3: writing isn't the only way to communicate. Here's another story 476 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 3: of love across the veil. It comes from a man 477 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 3: named Bo Williams. Bo is a fascinating guy. He's done 478 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 3: a lot of things. He's been a football player, a stockbroker, 479 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 3: a screenwriter, and even working his own security business. And 480 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 3: back in twenty fifteen, he was working at an event 481 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 3: when a young woman named Melanie walks through the door. 482 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 3: Bo says, the moment their eyes met, there was this 483 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 3: magnetic electricity. It was that instant soulmate recognition where the 484 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 3: rest of the room just disappeared. But life being complicated, 485 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 3: the timing wasn't right. They circled each other's lives for 486 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 3: eight years. They were friends, and they lost touch, and 487 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 3: then they found each other again, and finally, in May 488 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 3: of twenty twenty three, they had their first real date. 489 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 3: Bo says it was the start of the most incredible 490 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 3: year of his life. He finally had met his soulmate. 491 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 3: But Melanie carried deep trauma from her past that unfortunately 492 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 3: she had been fighting for a very long time, and tragically, 493 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 3: one year and two days after their first date, she 494 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 3: took her own life. Bo was left in what he 495 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 3: calls a tsunami of sadness. He was waking up every 496 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 3: morning to the nightmare that she was gone. He was 497 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 3: in that same bedroom where they had been so happy, 498 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 3: and now that room was so painful. But Melanie had 499 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 3: left him a specific gift. While she was alive, she 500 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 3: was training to be a breathwork therapist. She had taught 501 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 3: Bo an ancient breathing technique called pranayama. It's a three 502 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 3: part breath. Flat on your back, you breathe deeply into 503 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 3: the belly, then fill up your chest, and then you exhale. 504 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 3: It forces you to be in the present moment. Ten 505 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 3: days after her service, Bo was lying in their bed, 506 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 3: desperate to be with her. He started doing the breathing 507 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 3: technique she taught him. He did it for twenty minutes, 508 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 3: just breathing, clearing his mind, getting present. Then he asked 509 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 3: out loud, mel are you here. At that moment, he 510 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,719 Speaker 3: felt a massive euphoric surge of electricity shoot through his 511 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 3: entire body. He described it as internal goosebumps times a thousand. 512 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 3: It wasn't like a shiver on his skin. It was 513 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 3: inside of his bones, to his core. It was a 514 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 3: physical sensation of pure joy. He said. It was Melanie 515 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 3: using the very breath works she taught him to connect 516 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 3: with him again. He realized she was saying, I am here, 517 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 3: I am not gone. Since then, the romance hasn't just continued, 518 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 3: it has evolved. Bo told me that Melanie has actually 519 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 3: figured out how to use technology to keep their love alive. 520 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 3: He'll be driving in his car or working out at 521 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 3: the gym, and suddenly his Spotify or YouTube channel will 522 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 3: play a song he has never heard before, but the 523 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 3: lyrics are a direct message to him, like the song 524 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 3: Say Yes to Heaven. He even gets physical signals now, 525 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 3: he calls it Morse code. He'll have a thought or 526 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 3: a question about her, and he will feel a specific 527 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 3: twitch in his arm or his leg. He has learned 528 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 3: to decipher these as yes and no messages. He says, 529 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 3: she gave me this gift of breath work, and then 530 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 3: she left me. But she left me with the very 531 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 3: bridge I need to reach her. That reminds me of 532 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 3: another story from a woman named Kira. Kira is a 533 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 3: book publisher and has actually had several near death moments, 534 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 3: but the most recent one happened when she had a 535 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 3: severe case of COVID. She was quarantined all alone while 536 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 3: traveling in a hotel room. She felt her body shutting down. 537 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 3: Her vision started to get fuzzy, and she lay down 538 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 3: on her bed, looking up at the white ceiling. Suddenly, 539 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 3: the ceiling disappeared. She said, it was replaced by an 540 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 3: incredible light show. She saw waves of brilliant colors and 541 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 3: shapes what scientists might call sacred geometry, and they were 542 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 3: crashing in on each other. She didn't feel afraid. She 543 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,240 Speaker 3: felt an overwhelming sense of awe and love and peace, 544 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 3: like she was touching the infinite. She knew in that 545 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 3: moment that she was dying. She felt a portal open up, 546 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 3: a literal doorway into light. She felt like she was 547 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 3: ready to go. But then she thought of her husband, Todd. 548 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 3: She realized she couldn't leave him yet, she looked at 549 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 3: that beautiful doorway and said, Nope, not without Todd. The 550 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 3: moment she made that choice, the portal closed, her vision 551 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 3: returned to normal, and she came back to her body. 552 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 3: Kira says that experience changed her forever. Now, when she 553 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 3: hears that someone has passed, she doesn't feel sad for them. 554 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 3: She thinks, oh my gosh, they're so lucky. They are 555 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 3: in that absolute state of love and grace. These stories 556 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 3: let us know that the romance isn't over. Whether it's 557 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 3: Pam Johnson using her pen to prime the pump, or 558 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 3: Stephen Simon feeling the language of the heart, or bo 559 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 3: using his breath work to get those internal goosebumps, the 560 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 3: message is all the same. The relationship is not over. 561 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 3: So let's think about that word romance. Doesn't it mean adventure, 562 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 3: It means mystery, It means excitement, and that is exactly 563 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 3: what the afterlife is. It's the greatest romantic adventure of all. 564 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,439 Speaker 3: So if you're missing someone today, try one of those 565 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 3: methods tonight. Maybe grab a pad of paper or start 566 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 3: typing a deer loved one, I am here. Just see 567 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 3: what comes next. Don't judge it. Just let the ink flow, 568 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 3: or maybe lie down, close your eyes and just breathe. 569 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:08,240 Speaker 3: Breathe them in, do that three part breath belly, chest 570 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 3: and then exhale. Ask them to come close. And if 571 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 3: you feel a tingle or a sudden warmth, or maybe 572 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 3: a goose bump or two, don't brush it off, just 573 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 3: say hello. We get so busy these days, don't we, 574 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 3: and so caught up in our lives that we're not 575 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 3: present to really feel this subtle change of energy. But 576 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 3: when Bow feels Melanie or Pam writes with Alan, they 577 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 3: are tapping into that magical space. So you don't need 578 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 3: to be a medium. You just need to slow down 579 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 3: and be in touch with your heart. When we come 580 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 3: back for our final segment, I'm going to share an 581 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 3: incredible conversation with mister Eric Robert Johnston. He is my 582 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 3: friend in the afterlife who speaks through trance medium Scott Milligan. 583 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 3: He's going to answer some big questions about soulmates and 584 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 3: marriage in heaven, and he's going to explain why your 585 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 3: spouse or your loved one in the spirit world isn't 586 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 3: jealous of your life here, but they're actually cheering you on. 587 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 3: Before we go to the break, did you know that 588 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 3: the idea of romance lasting forever is actually written in 589 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 3: our ancient history. One of the oldest archaeological discoveries of 590 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 3: eternal love is a six thousand year old burial site 591 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 3: in Italy known as the Lovers of Valdaro Is, two 592 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 3: skeletons found locked in a permanent romantic embrace. The Egyptians 593 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 3: believed that if you spoke your partner's name out loud 594 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 3: after they passed, you were literally giving them the breath 595 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 3: of life in the next world. So when you talk 596 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 3: to your loved one today, you aren't just reminiscing. You 597 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 3: are participating in a tradition of transdimensional romance that is 598 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 3: thousands of years old. We'll be right back. You're listening 599 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 3: to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast 600 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 3: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades 601 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,280 Speaker 3: of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. We've spent our time 602 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 3: together traveling through many stories, but for this final segment, 603 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 3: I want us to quiet our minds and listen to 604 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 3: a voice that comes directly from the other side. One 605 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 3: of my most favorite things is on many Fridays the 606 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 3: trance demonstration from our dear friend Scott Milligan. For over 607 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 3: twenty eight years, Scott has been sitting and blending with 608 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 3: the spirit world so that they can speak through him 609 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 3: to us. When Scott goes into that deep state, a 610 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 3: very kind gentleman named Eric Robert Johnston speaks, in fact 611 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 3: some of his most favorite words. We've put together in 612 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 3: a book called Conversations with Eric. Eric lived in the 613 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 3: late eighteen hundreds, and I've sat with him for over 614 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 3: two hundred hours having these incredible conversations. He's one of 615 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,760 Speaker 3: the wisest, most compassionate souls I have ever encountered. Recently, 616 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 3: during one of our in the Arms of Eternity sessions, 617 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 3: a woman named Sherry asked the exact question that I 618 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 3: know many of us have tucked away in our hearts. 619 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 3: Let's listen to the wisdom of mister Eric. 620 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,359 Speaker 1: So I would like to know if we truly have 621 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: one soulmate. I was told that there was no marriage 622 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: in heaven, and if your spouse passes before you, will 623 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: they walk with through through this life? And then will 624 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: you truly get to spend eternity with them in the next. 625 00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 4: Well, may I say this to you. Marriage comes from 626 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:07,919 Speaker 4: your commitment. If one is truly committed to each other, 627 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 4: then you will continue throughout this life and in the next. 628 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 4: If there is no love, then you go your separate ways. 629 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 4: If you have been romanced and you have given your 630 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,840 Speaker 4: commitment to each other, and one comes to our side 631 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 4: of life, leaving behind the other. If this other person 632 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 4: then starts to get romance and choose to walk that 633 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:50,359 Speaker 4: same path as you go to commit your life to 634 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:55,360 Speaker 4: each other, someone in your world will be on one 635 00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:01,919 Speaker 4: arm and your spouse will be on the other. If 636 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 4: you truly love each other, you want the best for 637 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:12,360 Speaker 4: each other. You want each other to laugh again, to 638 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 4: be happy again, and when you come to our side 639 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 4: of life, you will be with each other. There is 640 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 4: no hatred that is allowed within our world. There is 641 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 4: only love. Some of you may think this is hard 642 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:41,839 Speaker 4: to accept because you are conditioned to think only in 643 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 4: one way. I myself was born in a different time. 644 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:56,240 Speaker 4: I gave my heart to my wife, but I treated 645 00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 4: her appollingly. Now I thank God how you see God 646 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 4: fit to be, But I have her love and We 647 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 4: spend each moment in each other's company, along with my children, 648 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 4: along with their wives and husbands with their children, and 649 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:29,840 Speaker 4: our world is beautiful. Love is the commitment to see 650 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:36,280 Speaker 4: each other as equal and to see each other giving 651 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 4: love to everyone. In times my friends and we are 652 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 4: adults present. There is difference between your world. In marriage, 653 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 4: you procreate. In our world, we make love. Love is 654 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:08,439 Speaker 4: about the commitment of sharing each other's company, feeling complete 655 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 4: with each other, but also my friend, being complete with 656 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 4: all life. In my time, you were not allowed to 657 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:31,280 Speaker 4: be accepted within charge if you were divorced. Of course, 658 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:37,279 Speaker 4: men had greater home than ladies, so we used to 659 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:46,880 Speaker 4: cast blame onto other people and treating people appallingly. I say, God, 660 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 4: have you see God to be in your time? Now 661 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 4: you all have equal voice, or so it should be. 662 00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:03,720 Speaker 4: We would always say to you, if you want my wife, 663 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 4: and please allow me to say it in this way 664 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 4: without any insult. And I stand in my world watching you, 665 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,400 Speaker 4: and I have seen the pain you have gone through, 666 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 4: and someone has come and made your heart beat again. 667 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 4: I played a part in each other finding because I 668 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:41,319 Speaker 4: would want you to be happy. I would want the 669 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 4: best for you and for the person you have fallen 670 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:53,440 Speaker 4: in love with, and I would walk with you throughout 671 00:44:53,840 --> 00:45:03,399 Speaker 4: your life, being proud to share. And when it is 672 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:08,160 Speaker 4: your time, if it is your time to pass, I 673 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 4: will then catch you. If the new husband comes to 674 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:21,880 Speaker 4: our side of life before you, I will embrace him 675 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:28,440 Speaker 4: because there is love, and then we will watch over you. 676 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 1: With you. 677 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 4: Until we both can embrace you. Now, my friend, there 678 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,239 Speaker 4: has been a lady as well as many gentlemen in 679 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 4: our world who have many many almost six, you know, 680 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 4: six different times they had been married. Some were for 681 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:05,400 Speaker 4: true love, some were for convenience. And I say this 682 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 4: to all of you. If you have not been romanced 683 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:17,160 Speaker 4: fully in your world, you will certainly be romance within 684 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:24,720 Speaker 4: our world because it is a coming together. This is why, 685 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,759 Speaker 4: my friends, that we have said to all of you, 686 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:37,400 Speaker 4: love is the purity that must be shared with each 687 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:45,600 Speaker 4: other within the natural law. Of course, we do not discriminate, 688 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,760 Speaker 4: and I ask you all to accept in your understanding 689 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,680 Speaker 4: that you will have someone who you will call your 690 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:02,880 Speaker 4: soul mate. And there will be people that you fall 691 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 4: in love with and fall out of love. Of course, 692 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 4: that is experience, but you will fall back into the 693 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 4: arms of each other and of course, if you have 694 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,960 Speaker 4: married again and true lovers there, your circle will become 695 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:27,520 Speaker 4: bigger and greater. So sharing, my dear, is that pleasing 696 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 4: for you? 697 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:30,239 Speaker 1: Yes? 698 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:37,560 Speaker 4: Thank you very much. Accept this, my friend. If you 699 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,960 Speaker 4: were on our side of life and someone who you 700 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:49,879 Speaker 4: have loved with all your being, you would want them 701 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:56,640 Speaker 4: to smile, wouldn't you? Absolutely you would want them to 702 00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,319 Speaker 4: live their life because you know that you can live 703 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:06,680 Speaker 4: on in my reality. The great lie has been ripped away. 704 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:14,759 Speaker 4: You see the world perfectly. But then if you can 705 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:21,799 Speaker 4: see someone who you have loved not live in but 706 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:27,360 Speaker 4: you can see someone else search it, you would bring 707 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:32,040 Speaker 4: them together, wouldn't you? Please accept it in that manner? 708 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:37,320 Speaker 3: Thank you? Isn't that wonderful? They're walking with you, cheering 709 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,400 Speaker 3: you on. No one is left behind. If you'd like 710 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,960 Speaker 3: to ask mister Eric your own questions, I invite you 711 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,759 Speaker 3: to join us on a Friday for our in the 712 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,319 Speaker 3: Arms of Eternity sessions. It's a beautiful time where we 713 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,040 Speaker 3: get to send a healing to the world and then 714 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,399 Speaker 3: ask our questions directly to the spirit world. You can 715 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 3: register for that and you can all so join our 716 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:05,160 Speaker 3: free Sunday gathering with medium demonstration included. By visiting my 717 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,920 Speaker 3: home base at weedotdie dot com. You can even get 718 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,440 Speaker 3: a free copy of my book there to help you 719 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:16,800 Speaker 3: on your journey. Chapter ten is how to Survive Grief. Friends. 720 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,799 Speaker 3: We are all just walking each other home. We are 721 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,759 Speaker 3: wise souls having a human experience, and romance is the 722 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:28,840 Speaker 3: heartbeat of that journey. It doesn't die. Love just becomes 723 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:33,080 Speaker 3: more beautiful than we can ever imagine. Remember that ancient 724 00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,960 Speaker 3: Egyptian tradition, when you speak their name, you give them life. 725 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,399 Speaker 3: So go ahead, pour that extra cup of coffee, talk 726 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,319 Speaker 3: to them while you drive, or get your pen and 727 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,319 Speaker 3: paper out and write with them, and know that you 728 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:54,040 Speaker 3: are never ever ever alone. I'm Sandra Champlain. 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