1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Didty auctions his jail house clothes? 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: Do his lawyers cost that much? Are they worth it? 3 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 2: This as Fitty weighs into the battle, promising to go 4 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: all the way to the White House to stop a 5 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 2: pardon for Ditty, I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 6 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us. 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 3: He is a vile, greedy abuser. 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: That took part in heinous beatings and bizarre sex acts, 9 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: decades of abuse of women and so called free coughs. 10 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: This is a day that's been long in coming. Will 11 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: there be justice? 12 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 3: And I say Dirty Diddy going down? This is the case. 13 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: Straight out to the courthouse. 14 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: Standing by is investigative reporter Lauren Collins, star of Pop 15 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: Crime TV. A lot has been happening on the witness 16 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: stand throughout the day and Mia, not her real name, 17 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: is a critical witness. 18 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: Lauren Colin. 19 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: I noticed that Brian Steele started off kind of going 20 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 2: easy on mea but then he changed his approach. 21 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: What happened? 22 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 4: Mia is still on the stand finishing up her cross 23 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 4: examination by Brian Steele today during a break, the government 24 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 4: actually had to speak to the judge and say, look, 25 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 4: the way that this witness is being treated by mister 26 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 4: Steele is borderline hostile. He's being aggressive, he's yelling at her, 27 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 4: he's accusing her of lying. And this type of questioning 28 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 4: is going to prevent other witnesses from coming forward if 29 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 4: they think they're going to be humiliated and treated like this. Now, 30 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 4: the judge said, look, I have not heard mister Steele 31 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 4: yell at the witness. I haven't heard him be too aggressive. 32 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 4: But what I have heard is improper questions. And when 33 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 4: mister Steele tries to rephrase these questions, the judge said, 34 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 4: he's not sure if he's doing it on purpose, you know, 35 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 4: not rephrasing properly, just to get out what he's trying 36 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 4: to say. But either way, he needs to watch it 37 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 4: when it comes to that. And he said, you know, look, 38 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 4: the government can continue to object and you know, well, 39 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 4: well we'll make the adjustments accordingly. So as Brian Steele 40 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 4: moved along with his cross examination, it was a little 41 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 4: bit aggressive. He did accuse Mia of lying. He would 42 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 4: point blank ask her were you lying when you said this? 43 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 4: Were you not truthful when you said this? And Mia 44 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 4: said everything I've said in this courtroom has been truthful, 45 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 4: and Ryan Steele really seemed to hone in on the 46 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 4: fact that again her text messages to Sean Colmes, one 47 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 4: year after she didn't work for him, two years after, 48 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 4: even up to three years after not working for him, 49 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 4: they still said I love you. They still said you know, 50 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 4: I miss you. At one point she texted him in 51 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 4: twenty nineteen that she had a dream that she was 52 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 4: trapped in an elevator with r Kelly and that Diddy 53 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 4: came to rescue her. We found out through Brian Stales 54 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 4: cross examination that Mia had met with the government about 55 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 4: twenty seven times. The first two times meeting with the government, 56 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 4: she did not mention any type of sexual assault or 57 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 4: alleged sexual assault, and Mia said, well, I did not 58 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 4: bring this up until I had my attorney, and Steele 59 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 4: points it out that she had an attorney in her 60 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 4: March of twenty twenty four meeting, but again did not 61 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 4: bring up the alleged sexual assault until June of twenty 62 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 4: twenty four, and he was really trying to get in 63 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 4: the name of her attorney, Sean Crowley and the fact 64 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 4: that Sean Crowley had won this big settlement prior to 65 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 4: representing Mia. However, there were many objections and he was 66 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 4: not able to get that in huh. 67 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: Huh, Okay, did she crack Lauren Colin or did she 68 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: stay strong? And I find it really interesting they brought 69 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: up that four hundred thousand settlement that she had with Diddy. 70 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: Okay, what happened? 71 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 4: Mia actually said, everything I've said in this courtroom has 72 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 4: been the truth and not a lie. 73 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: And Brian Steele also said. 74 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 4: To her out of the blue and seemed to kind 75 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 4: of raise his voice, well, isn't. 76 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: It true that he didn't touch you. 77 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 4: Or violate you as many times as you've told us? 78 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 4: And she said again, everything I've said is true. 79 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa. 80 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 2: Okay, so he's asking, hey, he didn't rape you as 81 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: many times as you're saying okay, straight out to armand 82 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: Wiggins joining us out of la entertainment and legal fear commentator, 83 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 2: host of podcasts The armand Wiggins Show on the trial 84 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: since day one? 85 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: Did you hear what Lauren Colin just said? 86 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: So Brian Steele, and I know him from the day 87 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 2: that I was prosecuting Felon. He's an inter city Atlanta. 88 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: He's a great defense attorney. But wait, this is his message, 89 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: he didn't rape you as many times as you said, 90 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: did he? So what if he raped her at all? 91 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 2: Isn't one rape enough? Wiggins? 92 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 5: I think it is enough. But I think what's interesting 93 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 5: is I don't think that he was saying that. I 94 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 5: think he was saying he didn't rape you at all. 95 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 5: I think what he was trying to say in regards 96 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 5: to her is the fact that he may have put 97 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 5: his hands on you, he may have disrespected. 98 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 6: You, but he didn't rape you at all, is what 99 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 6: he was saying. 100 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: Okay, so that's what you think he said. 101 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 2: That's your interpretation, mister Wiggins, because his words were, isn't 102 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 2: it true he didn't touch you or violate you as 103 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: many times as you've told us? 104 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: Those were his words. 105 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: So my question to you, Armon Wiggins is why are 106 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: you sugarcoating it? 107 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: Airbrushing it? 108 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 2: He said quote, isn't it true he didn't touch you 109 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: or violate you as many times as you've told us? 110 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 5: Now, I agree, I think that that's very I think 111 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 5: that that's wrong. But I think the problem with Mia 112 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 5: for me was, and here's the thing. I'm not victim 113 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 5: shaming at all, but it seemed like her testimony was 114 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 5: a little bit inconsistent because it seemed like she was 115 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 5: more emotionally attached than traumatized, because when she had out 116 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 5: to actually leave, she was upset because she had got fired. 117 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 5: She had then became suicidal because she had lost her job. 118 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 5: And when he asked her, he said, hey, well this 119 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 5: is your time to actually lead now. Shouldn't you be happy? 120 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 5: She was like, no, this wasn't a good time for 121 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 5: me during that time. It wasn't a good time. So 122 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 5: it was like then. She also said that she forgot 123 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 5: how many times she would be abused, like when the 124 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 5: times were good, she would forget about the abuse. 125 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 6: How do you forget about. 126 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 2: Being To follow up on what you're saying, Arman wigg 127 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: is because I vehemently disagree with you. 128 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: But if you're thinking that, how do I know a 129 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: your R isn't thinking that? 130 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 2: Let's clarify straight out to doctor Bethony Marshall and US 131 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 2: renown psycho analys out of La, author of deal Breaker. 132 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: You can see her on peacock or go to her 133 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: website doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Dr Bethany Okay Number 134 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 2: one Rape victims go through. 135 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: So much trauma right. I don't know that Mea. 136 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: Was suicidal because she got fired or let go. In fact, 137 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: they Shawn Combs and his hitch person Corman, tried to 138 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: get her to drop the lawsuit. And I want to 139 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 2: point out, regarding the lawsuit, that he settled with her 140 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 2: for four hundred thousand dollars. So I think we need 141 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: to reframe the question not why did you take money? 142 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: Aren't you in it for the money? The question should be, 143 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: Shawn Colmbs, why are you paying a half a million 144 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: dollars to get this woman to shut up? Like you 145 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: paid Casi event here twenty million dollars to get her 146 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 2: to shut up? So why are you paying people left 147 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 2: and right so they don't talk about what you did 148 00:07:59,240 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 2: to them? 149 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: That's the right question. 150 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 7: And why aren't we talking about the time she did 151 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 7: try to get away and he would try to call 152 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 7: her or have his henchmen call her, and so she 153 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 7: did attempt to get away. We can't forget about that. 154 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 7: And women who are sexually abused often divide their experience 155 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 7: of the abuser up into all good or all bad. 156 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 7: It's a way of coping. So when the abusers kind, 157 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 7: they become overly attached and when the abusers abusive, then 158 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 7: they have a clear sense of what's happening. She's trauma 159 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 7: bonded with him. 160 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: Well. 161 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 2: Another thing is that rape victims that I have represented 162 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: in court very obvious, especially in abusive relationships, not stranger 163 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: on stranger. They try to rationalize what happened, like for instance, 164 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 2: marital rape, or you're dating someone and you get rape. 165 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: You try to go, oh, well, he was drunk or 166 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: oh well I let him on. 167 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 2: They rationalize what happened because they don't want to deal 168 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: with the fact I was just raped. 169 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: Now. 170 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: My concern is, although I disagree with Wiggins totally, the 171 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 2: reality is if he is thinking that after watching the testimony, 172 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: even though I think he's horribly wrong, is a juror 173 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: thinking that. So another issue, I'm trying to figure out 174 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 2: the significance of birthday posts on social. 175 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: Media Lauren Colin, What does that have to do with anything. 176 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 4: He seems to also be really focusing on these birthday 177 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 4: posts that Mia did for Sean Colins year after year, 178 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 4: although she described to us during direct testimony that his 179 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 4: birthday was a traumatic day for her because that was 180 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 4: the first time that he ever sexually assaulted her. Allegedly, 181 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 4: so Brian Steel's hammering home. Well, how can you compartmentalize 182 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 4: this when it was such a horrible day for you 183 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 4: and year after year on social media you're wishing him 184 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 4: a happy birthday. 185 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 2: Guys, we are alive at the courthouse bringing you the 186 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: very latest. I want to go out to Sidney Sumner 187 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 2: right now, joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter who's also 188 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: been on the case from the get go. Sidney, what 189 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 2: do you make me as testimony? 190 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 8: Well, Nancy, I don't think Brian Steele is making the 191 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 8: impact he thinks he's making. It's shocking to me when 192 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 8: they ask questions like well, why did you repost this 193 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 8: birthday message from Combs? And the witnesses are just like, 194 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 8: of course, of course I would repost this, That's not 195 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 8: even a question. I had to do what I had 196 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 8: to do to keep Combs happy, to act appropriately on 197 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 8: the days where I needed to be celebratory of Combs. So, 198 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 8: even though this man abused me and this man treated 199 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 8: me horribly on a regular basis, there were periods that 200 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 8: he treated me like I was his best friend, and 201 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 8: of course I did whatever I had to do to 202 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 8: make those periods last. As long as possible. They lived 203 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 8: in constant fear of Combs being angry with whatever comment 204 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 8: they decided to make. Remember, he controlled pathy down to 205 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 8: her daily appearance, so any little thing could set Combs off. 206 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 8: So I find it very interesting that Nia is just 207 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 8: completely forthright in what she had to do to survive 208 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 8: those years working for Combs. 209 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 2: Lauren Collin, I want to hear all about Sean Combs's 210 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 2: demeanor as evidence poured from the witness stand. 211 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: How did he react? I mean did. 212 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 4: He He does seem a little bit frustrated because of 213 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 4: the fact that there are so many objections during Brian 214 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 4: Steele's cross I mean, he really seems to need to 215 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 4: work on rephrasing these questions so they they are proper 216 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 4: and there's some trouble there. So you can kind of 217 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 4: see Diddy is a little exasperated, you know, at this 218 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 4: point the judge seems to be a little annoyed as well. 219 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 4: So Brian Steele will We'll try to maybe rephrase a 220 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 4: question or two, and then the judge is just like, look, 221 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 4: move on, and you can kind of see Diddy will 222 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 4: just kind of like visibly at pail a little bit 223 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 4: and sit in his chair just frustrated. 224 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 2: Mia, not her real name, describes PTSD post traumatic stress 225 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 2: syndrome listen. 226 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 9: Mia says normal situations at work would bring on an 227 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 9: overwhelming fear of being in trouble, which previously meant violent outbursts, 228 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 9: death threats, or suspension without paying Combs's world, Mia says 229 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 9: things as simple as a where are you text are 230 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 9: now extremely triggering. 231 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: Because of Combs. 232 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 10: Mia considered leaving several times, but feared Combs would have 233 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 10: made sure she never worked in the industry again. When 234 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 10: Mia finally worked up the courage to quit employment attorneys 235 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 10: to negotiate severance and unpaid bonuses. Combs refused to speak 236 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 10: with Mia directly during negotiations, and despite her initial ten 237 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 10: million dollar demand, Mia settled for four hundred thousand dollars. 238 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: In addition to Doctor Bethany and armand Wiggins. 239 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 2: You can see him on YouTube joining me now a 240 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 2: special guest longtime friend and colleague Rob Shooter. Rob was 241 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 2: Shawn Combs's pa uru for years. He no longer works 242 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 2: for him, Thank goodness, or I'd be grilling you even worse. 243 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: Rob Shooter, host. 244 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 2: Of Naughty but Nice podcast, has at Robshooter dot substack 245 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 2: dot com, author of the foreword answer Rob, I want 246 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 2: to talk about what Mia has been saying on the 247 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: stand all day and for several days, the fact that 248 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 2: she lived in fear. You know, I believe it was 249 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 2: you that first told me that Shawn Combs ordered somebody 250 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: to go get him a cheesecake at three o'clock in 251 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 2: the morning, and they did it. They found a place 252 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 2: that was open, they got the cheesecake and brought it 253 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: back to Sean Combs. It seems as if he was 254 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 2: very imperious with his employees. To the fact that Mia 255 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 2: describes PTSD, that's what she's describing. I've seen it in 256 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 2: a lot of crime victims. 257 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: Describe what you witnessed. 258 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 11: My time working with Diddy was extraordinary, Nam say, I've 259 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 11: never had a job. I've never experienced anything like that again, 260 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 11: and I've gone to work with stars even bigger than him. 261 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 11: It was really gruelsome. It wasn't a job, it was 262 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 11: it was a life. He took over your life. He 263 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 11: demanded you twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. 264 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 11: He could be really bullying. He could also be very charming, 265 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 11: and so I understand everything that MIA's saying. It's heartbreaking, 266 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 11: and it's an experience that very very few, thankfully we'll 267 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 11: ever know. 268 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: Okay, I want to get back to these demands, because 269 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 2: if he could make a grown person get out of 270 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 2: bed at three am and traverse Manhattan to get him 271 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 2: a slice of cheesecake, and it had to be the 272 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 2: best cheesecake, it couldn't be any crap that could yet 273 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 2: down at the Dagstino's right, What could he make someone 274 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 2: like Mia do, who was already meek and mild and traumatized. 275 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I want to hear what it was like. 276 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 2: Did you say it was a way of life? It 277 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: was your life? Why it was our lives? 278 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 11: Because we were young. He had picked people to work 279 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 11: with him that he could control. There was nobody on 280 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 11: his staff, including me, that was terribly experienced. It was 281 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 11: all about him. He carefully groomed us all, He carefully 282 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 11: selected us all. And if anybody came into his world 283 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 11: who said no, who was too experienced to move better, 284 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 11: they didn't last. He was the ringmaster and we played 285 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 11: along in his circus. 286 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: Rob Shooter. 287 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 2: You stated that Shawn Holmes has a very carefully choreographed 288 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: personal image, and you told a story about making the 289 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: press move at a private airport. I guess it was Teterborough. 290 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 2: So as they all filmed Seawn Holmes pulling up. Yeah, 291 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 2: at first you didn't see the private plane, and he 292 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 2: was so angry. He actually single handedly made all the 293 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 2: press move where they were standing so he could re 294 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 2: enter Teterborrow so when he got out of his suv 295 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: you could see the private plane behind him. 296 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: Describe Yeah, absolutely true. 297 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 11: I was on the tarmac. The press was lined up 298 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 11: waiting for him, everybody from national shows to local press. 299 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 11: And he drove up in his car and he realized 300 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 11: they were shooting this ugly airport terminal behind him, and 301 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 11: he wanted a shot of this very, very expensive private plane. 302 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 11: So what he did is he left, he restaged his entrance. 303 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 11: We spun the press around, and we had to go 304 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 11: down that line, Nancy and make sure every member of 305 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 11: the press who were videoing deleted their original footage. So 306 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 11: we did not leave this to chance. It was something 307 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 11: that he had thought of. I wouldn't have thought about this, 308 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 11: but he told me make sure they've all deleted the footage. 309 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 11: I don't want I don't want to give them the 310 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 11: choice of decius, that'll use the one that I give. 311 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,719 Speaker 2: Them, So he got an entire fleet of the media 312 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 2: to change their positions and delete video. 313 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,959 Speaker 1: I'm making a point. Listen to this shooter. 314 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 9: Brian Steele shows me a birthday shout out from Comb's 315 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 9: caption beside every great man is a great woman. PS. Sorry, 316 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 9: I was acting crazy last night. Mia says Combs had 317 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 9: threatened her life on a phone call the night before, 318 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 9: and she took this as his apology. Steele asks if 319 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 9: she reposted the message despite the seriousness of the threat, 320 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 9: and Mia responds, of course, reading off her profusely thankful caption. Thanks, 321 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 9: pof love. You You've shown me the world. 322 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 2: So you're hearing Rob Shooter the posts that Mia is 323 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 2: making about a birthday wish, and then she gets cross 324 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 2: examined about wishing Shawn Colms happy birthday on a post. Now, 325 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 2: I have seen rape victims go along to get along, 326 00:17:55,359 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 2: whether you're seeing your employer forcing sex on you, Usbane partner, judge, 327 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 2: and you don't want to make waves in the courthouse, 328 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,959 Speaker 2: so you put up with it and you just keep going. 329 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 2: But he's really tearing her up on the stand about 330 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 2: this shoot or what do you make of it? 331 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 11: You know him yeah, I think this is directed by Diddy. 332 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 11: I think Puff is running this entire trial. He's telling 333 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 11: his lawyers what to do, which might be a mistake, 334 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 11: but his ego is very, very big and news flashy 335 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 11: and Nancy. It is possible to think love a monster. 336 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 11: A person can be a terrible person and you can 337 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 11: still have feelings towards them. And I think that's a 338 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 11: mistake here that did he is making. I think people 339 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 11: know the difference. And just because I post something a 340 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 11: birthday message, something kind towards you, doesn't mean you can't 341 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 11: also be a terrible human being. 342 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 2: We are live at the courthouse covering a multi count 343 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 2: federal indictment on sex trafficking against Sean. 344 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: Comes aka did It Now. 345 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 2: Everyone seems to be weighing in with their trial expertise, 346 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 2: and it goes from Snoop to Shug Night to Fiddy, 347 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 2: but now we have Donald Trump weighing in. 348 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: Listen, I look. 349 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 12: At what's happening, and I haven't been watching it too closely, 350 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 12: although it's certainly getting a lot of coverage. I haven't 351 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 12: seen him. 352 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: I haven't spoken over years. 353 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 12: It really like me a lot, But I think when 354 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 12: I ran for politics, he sort of that relationship busted up. 355 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 12: From what I read, I don't know he didn't tell 356 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 12: me that, but I'd read some little bit nasty saying, 357 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 12: it's get the facts. 358 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: If I think. 359 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 12: Somebody was mistreated, whether they like me or don't like me, 360 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 12: it wouldn't have any impact on me. 361 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 2: That from our friends at Fox, and I ask you, 362 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 2: mister President, don't hank this trial. We don't even have 363 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 2: a guilty verdict yet. Let's don't talk about pardons yet. 364 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 2: Isn't that putting the cart before the horse? And if 365 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 2: you'll notice, Trump's not saying I would pardon him, He 366 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 2: says I would look at the facts. 367 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 368 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 2: Straight out to Lynn as Shawn joining me, founder director 369 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 2: of Lynn's Warriors, dedicated to ending trafficking on girls and womens. 370 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 2: By the way, all that from fifty cents official Instagram page. 371 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: You know Lynn Shaw. 372 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 2: When I covered the Natalie Holloway case and went to 373 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 2: investigate it myself, I kept swearing on air I would 374 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: never put a toe on a Reuben soil. But guess what, 375 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 2: the US tourist rate went up in Aruba. So do 376 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 2: you think Johnson and Johnson Baby Oil has shot through 377 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 2: the roof. 378 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: Are they missing the point? 379 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 3: You know, I'm going to be maintaining here with this 380 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 3: questioning my dirty diddy death stare. We are living in 381 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 3: this dirty Diddy dystopian dumpster world. And I think no, 382 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 3: the baby oil market is going to remain flat. If anything, 383 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 3: I think people are looking at baby oil right now, 384 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 3: Johnson and Johnson, baby oil, all baby oil in a 385 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 3: different light. I really think they don't care about the 386 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 3: baby oil. It brings a feeling of disgust the baby oil. 387 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: That's what we're. 388 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 3: Talking about, baby oil. Let's flip it over to victims survivors, 389 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 3: and let's talk about them and what they're going through. Again, 390 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 3: I maintain the justice system is upside down. We're talking 391 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 3: about all of these issues. We are not talking about 392 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 3: trauma bonding. We are not talking about survivors who's taking 393 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 3: care of them. We're not talking about bottom girls. But 394 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 3: that may be for a whole other program. So I 395 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 3: want to stay on focus. I want us to always 396 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 3: flip it around to victims survivors and maintain and empower them. 397 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 3: And this is exactly why nobody comes forward in rape 398 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 3: cases and sexual exploitation, because nobody wants to talk about them. 399 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 3: Nobody wants to help them. There's nothing out there for them. 400 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 3: Back to trauma, bonding with Dirty Ditty to Josh. 401 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 2: Ritter and joining meeral defense attorney, renown criminal defense attorney, 402 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 2: former prosecutor and host of Courtroom Confidential on YouTube. You 403 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 2: know Josh Ritter, We hear fifty now saying that he 404 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 2: is going to intervene and go all the way to 405 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 2: the White House to stop a potential pardon. In light 406 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 2: of recent pardons, people are actually concerned Trump may pardon Diddy. 407 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: If there is a conviction. 408 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 2: This based on recent pardon of the Chrislies who ripped 409 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 2: off victims to over thirty million dollars. One guy who 410 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 2: founded the gang Disciples in Chicago released and he was 411 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 2: behind bars on conspiracy for murder. It's causing shockwaves amongst 412 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 2: the community of crime victims. 413 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: And it's one. 414 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,479 Speaker 2: Thing to show Fiddy's memes and talk about that, but 415 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 2: it's another thing when crime victims, rape victims are in 416 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 2: fear that if there is a potential verdict, a guilty verdict, 417 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 2: there'll be a pardon. So what's the point. And also, 418 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 2: you're a former prosecutor, how does that make a prosecutor 419 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 2: feel to go through all of this with a pardon 420 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 2: looming over their shoulder. 421 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: I just don't think you would do it. 422 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 13: You know, you make a really excellent point. One of 423 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 13: the most difficult cases to put on as a prosecutor 424 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 13: is these types of cases, these sexual assault cases. And 425 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 13: it's not because of the proof. It's not because of 426 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 13: the evidence. It's because of convincing these victims to cooperate, 427 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 13: getting them to come back into court and talk about 428 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 13: the trauma that they've experienced, getting them to relive that, 429 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 13: relive that realizing that they're going to be put under 430 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 13: the crucible of cross examination. And the whole way you're 431 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 13: able to do it and convince them is that they're 432 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 13: going with this a way and now there might be 433 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 13: big idea. 434 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 2: One point here armand Wiggins joining us host of The 435 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 2: armand Wiggans Show on YouTube. One point is if Fiddy 436 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 2: is making all these memes, he clearly believes that Seawn 437 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 2: Comes is going to get convicted. In fact, one of 438 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 2: his memes, which I'd like to show is about Vegas odds. 439 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: He's saying, what's the spread on this? 440 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 2: I'm going Seawn Comes for twenty So if he is 441 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 2: issuing all of these memes and posting them. 442 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: Clearly he thinks comes is going to get convicted. 443 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 6: I definitely think that did. He probably will be convicted. 444 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 5: But as it pertains to me as testimony, I have 445 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 5: to honestly say, it did feel a little shaky. 446 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 6: You know. 447 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 5: I feel like they were able to neutralize her as 448 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 5: a witness. I don't think that she completely I don't 449 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 5: feel like Brian's still completely eliminated. I feel like he 450 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 5: eliminated her as a witness. 451 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: I do. 452 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 6: I honestly feel that way. 453 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 14: After Vitty, we now represent one hundred and twenty individuals 454 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 14: who intend to bring civil claims in civil court against 455 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 14: Sean any Combs, as well as claims against many other 456 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 14: individuals and entities that we will name as defendants as 457 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 14: we file these individual cases. There are sixty males and 458 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 14: sixty females. Twenty five of one hundred and twenty individuals 459 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 14: who are plaintiffs in these cases remind us at the 460 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 14: time of the acts. 461 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 8: Complained of them. 462 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 2: That's from Tony Busby's official Instagram page. You know you're 463 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,959 Speaker 2: in trouble when there is a toll free number just 464 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 2: for victims to call about you. To Rob Shooter joining 465 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 2: us Rob Shooter, Are you surprised that Sean Combs has 466 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 2: been able to keep so many alleged victims quiet for 467 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 2: so long? We've seen multiple civil lawsuits occur after Cassie 468 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 2: Ventura came out, and we are asking the wrong questions. 469 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 2: We're saying, why are you suing him for money? You're 470 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 2: in it just for the money, Cassi Ventura or Miya, 471 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: instead of asking the question, why is Sean Combs paying 472 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 2: millions and millions of dollars to keep these victims quiet? 473 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 2: Why do you think so many victims have gone unheard 474 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 2: until now? 475 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 1: Maybe because of what we see happening to Mia on 476 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: the stand? Yeah, yeah, I. 477 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 11: Think there's going to be that we've seen. There's a 478 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 11: long history of this money power, fame are all really intoxicating. 479 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 11: If you can't bully them with your fame, then you 480 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 11: throw money at the problems. And I think we have 481 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 11: to be honest here. The tape of Cassie changed everything 482 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 11: once that videotape existed, Nancay, we saw what happened when 483 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 11: somebody tried to leave. We saw Cassie running down a hallway. 484 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 11: She's trying to get away from him. And look what 485 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 11: happened to her. That's why people didn't leave. It wasn't 486 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 11: just the money, wasn't just the fame, wasn't just the power, Nancy, 487 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 11: It was the violence. 488 00:26:58,480 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 6: Look at it. 489 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 2: Joining me right now now is a special guest, doctor 490 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 2: Dwayne Hendricks, former Associate warden at MDC in Brooklyn, former 491 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 2: senior warden with the US Department of Justice, author of 492 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 2: Who Are You See It? Say It Sees It? And 493 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 2: he is the president of a new Daylight Foundation. Doctor Hendrix, 494 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 2: thank you so much for being with us. As of today, 495 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 2: the defense team is whining that they don't have enough 496 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 2: time with their client. They want to change the entire 497 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 2: procedure of getting Sean Combs to the courthouse and getting. 498 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: Him back to the jail. 499 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 2: So isn't it true the correctional facility has a special 500 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 2: place for lawyers to meet with their clients. 501 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 15: Yes, it may meet with their lawyers inside the visiting 502 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 15: room in the various corners they have attorney client rooms. 503 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 15: There's typically two to three in each visiting room in 504 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 15: any federal prison. 505 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 16: Those visits are typically scheduled ahead. 506 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 15: Of time through the inmates counselor, which is a part 507 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 15: of the inmates unit team and and they normally happen 508 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 15: during the normal visiting hours NBC Brooklyn the visiting hours 509 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 15: between five am and seven pm Money through Friday, at 510 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 15: nine am and four pm on weekends and holidays. 511 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 2: Doctor Henri, could you describe the private room where inmates 512 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 2: are allowed to speak to their lawyers at Lenks. 513 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 15: Typically the rooms will have maybe two to set up 514 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 15: kind of like an interview style where there's like a 515 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 15: table one side the inmate would sit on, and there's 516 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 15: usually no more than three chairs on the other side. 517 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 15: In the case you know, you have two counselor maybe 518 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 15: a paraleal there to take notes with that with the 519 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 15: particular that particular client. The rooms are very small, they're 520 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 15: they're glass, so the staff that's having oversight of that 521 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 15: particular visit, they can't hear what's going on in the room, 522 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 15: but they can sit at a vantage point where they 523 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 15: can see where, you know, what's going on in that 524 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 15: room in case you know, emergency. 525 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 2: And Andrew Hendricks, how long the inmates get to meet 526 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 2: with their lawyers? Hours and hours in private they have 527 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 2: access to a law library. Isn't it true that Seawan 528 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 2: Combs is getting additional time to meet with his lawyers. 529 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 15: Throughout my careers, typically, you know, no more than a 530 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 15: couple of hours, depending on what this particular request is 531 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 15: for that particular inmate. Now we're talking about the Sean 532 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 15: Combs case. As we know, he's at the courthouse first 533 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 15: day in the morning. Court starts around nine ninet thirty 534 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 15: and it's ending about four pm. So if visiting ends 535 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 15: at seven pm with them having to undress him out, 536 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 15: put them in a vehicle, take them back to the jail, 537 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 15: get them fed, you know you're talking about, and then 538 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 15: being in process back into the jail. We're talking about 539 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 15: five fifteen, five point thirty, which would only give them 540 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 15: an hour and a half to prep with him to 541 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 15: go over a strategy for the next day. So if 542 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 15: they're asking for additional time, I would I could see 543 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 15: at the war's discretion, especially as a high profile as 544 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 15: this case is in all the public interests, whether it's 545 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 15: here in America or even internationally, I don't see any 546 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 15: concerns with them giving them another two hours, two to 547 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 15: three hours to prep with their client for the next day. 548 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,239 Speaker 16: I mean, this trial is tendatively scheduled to end. 549 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 15: The goal is to end it by the end of 550 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 15: the month or before the fourth of July weekend, So 551 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 15: we're talking about four weeks. You know, maybe five to 552 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 15: ten hour additional hours during the week and maybe two 553 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 15: to three hours on the weekend, depending on what else 554 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 15: in the. 555 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: World crime stores with Nancy Grace, doctor Hendrix. 556 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 2: Isn't it true that the MDC is open on the 557 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 2: weekends and the lawyers. 558 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: Could go meet with comes on the weekends. 559 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 16: Yes, and again it is open. 560 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 15: Visiting hours are from nine am to four pm weekends 561 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 15: and holidays, and it's visiting is open until seven pm 562 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 15: on a normal weekday, so they have, you know, depending 563 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 15: on how long it takes the marshals to get him 564 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 15: back to the jail. It's not going to take him 565 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 15: very long to be in processed to the East Building 566 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 15: where he's currently being. 567 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 16: Housed, so they will probably have about an hour. 568 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 15: And a half to meet with him, and depending on 569 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 15: which attorneys he's going to meet with, what their strategy 570 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 15: is going to be, it's not an unusual request for 571 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 15: them for him to meet with his attorneys for a 572 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 15: couple more hours. 573 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 16: I mean, there's a. 574 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 15: Nine between the nine and ten clock count each day 575 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 15: in the facility and they can put him on the 576 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 15: out count in the visiting room while he's down there visiting, 577 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 15: because again, this trial is only going to last a 578 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 15: few more weeks. 579 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 16: And the last thing the Bureau Prisons and more specifically MDC. 580 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 15: Brooklyn does not want to do is be a part 581 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 15: of any hindrance to him having effective counsel and giving 582 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 15: grounds for them to you on appeal to say, hey, 583 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 15: you know, he didn't get effective counsel because the institution 584 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 15: didn't allow him to visit with his attorneys. 585 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 16: And then they're going to look at historical data. 586 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,239 Speaker 15: They're going to look at how big, you know, how 587 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 15: many inmates were housed at that facility in the past 588 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 15: versus what they have now and making a sound correctional 589 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 15: judgment decision. 590 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 16: It just doesn't make sense to. 591 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 15: Not try as much as possible to accommodate this request. 592 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: A lot of. 593 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 3: Them have never come forward. They'd rather just disappear forget 594 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 3: about it. They're too scared. 595 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 7: They are light of him. 596 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 2: As we all are watching the testimony pour from the 597 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 2: witness stand, we learn that Sean Come's prison clothes. 598 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: Have been auctioned. Does he need the money that badly? 599 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 2: Do his defense lawyers cost that much. I thought it 600 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 2: was worth a billion dollars. Are the defense attorneys worth it? 601 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 17: Listen, Diddy's prison outfit is going up for auction, but 602 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 17: it's not his MDC uniform. The rapper's iconic costume from 603 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 17: his role as Lawrence Musgrove in the two thousand and 604 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 17: one romantic thriller drama Monsters Ball is expected to sell 605 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 17: for a hefty penny when bidding begins next week. Combs 606 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 17: only appears in the early parts of the film before 607 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 17: his character is executed. His costume consists of a gray hoodie, 608 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 17: jeans with one pant leg cut off, in black shoes. 609 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 17: One of his first major film roles, Combs start alongside 610 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 17: Holly Berry Billy Bob Thorne in The Late Heath Ledger. 611 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 2: So, Josh Ritter, you're a veteran trial lawyer, former prosecutor. 612 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 2: What happens when did runs out of money? Please don't 613 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 2: tell me that we the tax payers are going to 614 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 2: have to pay for his defense. 615 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 13: No, I don't think we are. I think unfortunately for 616 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 13: his attorneys, they're on the hook. They're just going to 617 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 13: have to see it through the rest of the shop. 618 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 13: I cannot imagine though, even as expensive as they are 619 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 13: that they have burnt through all of his life. But 620 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 13: I will say, you know, if you're a man going 621 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 13: to prison, money really isn't worth all that much to 622 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 13: you if it can't keep you out of prison. So 623 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 13: maybe he is paying quite a bit of money to. 624 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall. 625 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 2: Interesting, he's paying a fleet of high powered defense attorneys 626 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 2: to represent him. An estimate weeks ago, weeks ago, five 627 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,240 Speaker 2: or six weeks ago was a ten million dollar price 628 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 2: tech so far, and that is before the litigation actually started. 629 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 2: That was pre trial prep by these lawyers. But he's 630 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 2: also spending a lot of money on pr initiatives trying 631 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 2: to make himself look good in the public eye. Now 632 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 2: he's got a hope that the jurors say. 633 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 18: That, Nancy, this is a great question because when I 634 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 18: have sociopaths come to my office, they are very grandiose, pompous, 635 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 18: self assured menacing threatening until they get in trouble and 636 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 18: then they freak out. They employ as many sources as 637 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 18: possible to protect themselves, and it's usually as they're on 638 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,760 Speaker 18: the break of some type of incarceration or getting charged 639 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 18: that they actually come to therapy, and then they try 640 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 18: to employ me in some way to help them, protect them, 641 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 18: to write a letter, to do some kind of a 642 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 18: statement for them. So I'm not surprised we're seeing the 643 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 18: bigger pattern unfold with p Ditty that he threatens and 644 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 18: controls and tell he's about to get caught, and then 645 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 18: he he dispenses all of his minions to cover. 646 00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 7: It up for him. 647 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 2: You know. Back to Shaw joining us for Land's Warriors, 648 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 2: a nonprofit to stop sex trafficking. 649 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: It's a real David and Goliath here. 650 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 2: The alleged rate victim up against a Ma Shane like 651 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,320 Speaker 2: bad Boy enterprise is like Sean Combs. 652 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is what we constantly hear, how can 653 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 3: I fight this. I don't have the money, I don't 654 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 3: have the community on my side, I don't have lawyers 655 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 3: who believe me, or I have no money, so nobody 656 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 3: will work with me. 657 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 8: You know. 658 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 3: It's it's simply that equation we see over and over again. 659 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: It's the power. 660 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 3: Dynamic over a vulnerable person. I want to keep the 661 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 3: focus on that because here's what I ultimately think jurors 662 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 3: and everybody's going to remember all the time. They are 663 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 3: going to remember that Cassie video. We have to pray 664 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 3: that they remember that one piece of video and that 665 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 3: will open up for everything else to follow. We really 666 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 3: have to just focus on that because I have too 667 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 3: many victims, survivors. 668 00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:58,720 Speaker 1: Not a ditty. 669 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 3: I know a few of them that have actually I've 670 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 3: known over the years. They've reached out to me. And 671 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:08,439 Speaker 3: all sexual assault rape survivors are watching this with such 672 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,439 Speaker 3: an eagle eye. They want him held accountable. It goes 673 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,240 Speaker 3: far beyond just his case. It's about society. It's about culture, 674 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 3: and they want this power dynamic. They want somebody to 675 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 3: answer for it. And I still maintain, in some way, 676 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 3: shape or form, Dirty Diddy is going down. 677 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 2: Armand Wiggins is joining US entertainment legal affair commentator host 678 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 2: on the podcast The armand Wigans Show been covering the 679 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 2: trial since day one. Armand Wiggins I since that there's 680 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 2: a vast group of people out there that want Sean 681 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,280 Speaker 2: comes to walk. They don't want to believe Cassie Ventira. 682 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 2: They don't want to see that gotten an. 683 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,879 Speaker 1: Argument with ray Ja the other day. 684 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 2: Of all people, they don't want to see that gash 685 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 2: on her forehead. They don't want to hear that testimony. 686 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 2: And if they do hear it, if it manages to 687 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 2: somehow sink in, then they go, oh, well, she was 688 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 2: just in it for the money. Really, she put up 689 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 2: with that for ten years for a payoff. Years and 690 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 2: years later now with me on the stand, we hear 691 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 2: about comes paying her four hundred thousand dollars to get 692 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 2: her to shut the hay up and go away. But 693 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 2: there there is a faction, a fringe faction of people 694 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 2: that don't want to hear these women. I mean, could 695 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 2: somebody actually believe that all these women are lying and 696 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 2: that Combs is the only one telling the truth? 697 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: Why do people want did it to get off? 698 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,760 Speaker 5: I think that's what happens when it comes to women. 699 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 5: I think it's an unfortunate situation because they see a 700 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 5: man with power and then they see these women and 701 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 5: they try to make it seem like Cassie was a 702 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 5: whore or somehow she could have brought this on herself 703 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 5: and there's no excuse. And I like what was said 704 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,720 Speaker 5: earlier about that video. It doesn't matter. That video still stands. 705 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 5: We cannot un see that video. So at the end 706 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 5: of the day, I feel like that video sets presidents. 707 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 5: And if you know what you know, then Diddy did it. 708 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,800 Speaker 5: It just boils down to me who has the better 709 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 5: legal team. Like I said before, the defense does a 710 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,359 Speaker 5: good job by creating doubt in certain witnesses, but at 711 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 5: the end of the day, we have to look at 712 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 5: the facts. Diddy is guilty in my opinion. He's done 713 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 5: it to the Assistance, He's done it to Cassie, He's 714 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 5: done it to everyone that's worked from every woman that's 715 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 5: been attached to him. They have feel indebted to him 716 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 5: because of this emotional bond. They feel like they need 717 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 5: to be the ultimate fixer in their lit in his lives, 718 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 5: and he's somehow manipulated these women emotionally and mentally, and 719 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 5: somehow there are a subset of people that feel like, 720 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 5: you know what, they brought this on themselves. 721 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 6: They could have left, and the reality is this. 722 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 5: Man has wowed them, smoothed them, got bought in them things, 723 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 5: given them things, and you know, they kind of fell 724 00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 5: victim to that. 725 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,800 Speaker 6: And I still for the victims for sure. 726 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 2: You know, Armand you said something, and I said, oh, 727 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 2: how much I disagree with you, But I'm glad you 728 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,359 Speaker 2: said it, because you can't win a trial if you're 729 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 2: emotionally attached to the testimony. I said, I disagreed with 730 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 2: you about Mia, but the fact is, maybe you're right. 731 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 2: I'm not saying she's lying. What I'm saying is maybe 732 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 2: the defense made inroads with her and there's a crack 733 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 2: in her testimony. Not that she's lying, but it's the 734 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 2: perception of the jurors that you have to think about 735 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:35,240 Speaker 2: as a trial lawyer. 736 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 1: What do they think? 737 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,919 Speaker 2: So advice to the state, since you didn't ask, get 738 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 2: in there and shore up Mia pronto. We remember an 739 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 2: American hero, Lieutenant Charles Harrison, Pasco County Sheriff's shot in 740 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:57,240 Speaker 2: the line of duty, leaving behind grieving children Charles, Sandy, 741 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 2: and Michelle sentenced to life without dad. American hero Charles Harrison. 742 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 2: Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend.