Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories, done.
Speaker 3: Done, Yay.
Speaker 2: That's Messed Up an SVU podcast. I'm Liza Traeger and
Speaker 2: I'm Kara Klank.
Speaker 1: And in case you were paging through Apple podcasts and
Speaker 1: saw a podcasts called That's Messed Up and thought it
Speaker 1: was just about the world right now, No, we are
Speaker 1: about Law and Order SVU and true crime and interviewing
Speaker 1: people from the show. But before that we do talk
Speaker 1: about how fucked well and.
Speaker 4: Well the world is so fucked up. Thank god. We
Speaker 4: have Heated Rivalry.
Speaker 2: And I know that everyone listening that's a consistent listener
Speaker 2: knows that I gave you a week to watch the
Speaker 2: whole thing and you did watch half, which I did
Speaker 2: watch half, which is like pretty hard for everyone. So
Speaker 2: I have a full psychosis. I have actually not watched
Speaker 2: anything else except a SVU and Heated Rivalry. And I
Speaker 2: try to put on Peacock and I can't. It's all
Speaker 2: I want to watch. I It's all on my phone.
Speaker 2: And then so I went to a heated Rivalry Challenger
Speaker 2: Soul cycle ride and it was incredible. And then I
Speaker 2: got wasted at the airport. I'm in my getting drunk
Speaker 2: at airports, Earrah. But then so Monday was sign up.
Speaker 2: Tuesday night was a Taylor Swift heated Rivalry class sign
Speaker 2: ups open at noon. It was fully sold out at
Speaker 2: twelve oh two. Like, people are like on the verge.
Speaker 2: But my niece likes it too, so that's been fun.
Speaker 2: She finally is texting me, which.
Speaker 3: Is the thrill. Okay, we got a row.
Speaker 2: Well, there's so much Soviet stuff in it for us, and.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, more and more, but like he's just so good.
Speaker 2: And the more I watch it, the more it's like
Speaker 2: these little interstitial moments and characterizations and I'm just like
Speaker 2: so impressed.
Speaker 4: So you've watched three episodes.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I watched the first three. I'm so into it.
Speaker 1: I'm very horny for the storylines and the guys. And
Speaker 1: my friend actually, who follows you, texted me and was like,
Speaker 1: are you watching it? Blah blah blah, and I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: Lisa's obsessed.
Speaker 4: I'm watching it. I'm halfway through.
Speaker 1: She goes, yeah, I follow Lisa and I've seen that
Speaker 1: she's liked every single Heated Rivalry post that I've seen.
Speaker 2: So there's just nothing else I want to do, Like
Speaker 2: I don't know what else to say, Like I don't know.
Speaker 4: It is what I else.
Speaker 1: I can't believe there's only six episodes. That must have
Speaker 1: been really difficult.
Speaker 2: But also they're like the more and more I see
Speaker 2: their press and them as people, it's like their performances
Speaker 2: become more and more deeply impressive, Like I can't really
Speaker 2: stop being impressed with these people. And then the more
Speaker 2: I watch there's like just some of the shots are
Speaker 2: so gorgeous, the wardrobe's incredible, the music.
Speaker 4: Is so good.
Speaker 2: That's why the Heat of Rivalry Spin Class was so good,
Speaker 2: like everything, and it all came from such a like
Speaker 2: pure place, yeah, of like low budget, fast work, and like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, just it's I thought I was.
Speaker 4: Also what I'm thinking about is that people are like
Speaker 4: it's just smut.
Speaker 2: It's just I'm like, you're acting like that's easy to make,
Speaker 2: Like you're acting like it's easy to be that hot
Speaker 2: and sexy like, which is not easy, Like it's yeah,
Speaker 2: So that's what's weird too, when people try to reduce
Speaker 2: it to something that is also still like quite impressive. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I saw some like tweet then the world is horny,
Speaker 2: countries are begging for it.
Speaker 1: Well that's it. I heard something that was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know the like the Republicans are so like hard
Speaker 1: on to get like Dei Away and it's like Sinners
Speaker 1: number one movie of the year, like box office wise,
Speaker 1: Heated Rivalry everyone's obsession. And then there were like two
Speaker 1: other examples of like it seems like people still want
Speaker 1: the de I babes, like everyone's into this, Like I
Speaker 1: think it's cool that there's there's a show that has
Speaker 1: like all this.
Speaker 4: It's not even that graphic.
Speaker 1: It's really just like it's really it's the same amount
Speaker 1: of romantic like sex that you see between How Toosexual
Speaker 1: and I think it's shot all the time.
Speaker 2: I think it's done better than the most straight sex
Speaker 2: scenes in it.
Speaker 4: I'm a huge fan. I like Jane Austen.
Speaker 1: I like anything where two people like want to be
Speaker 1: together and can't be like any of that is like
Speaker 1: so horny. So this was like I love like how
Speaker 1: they're they're both hockey players, but they're from totally separate
Speaker 1: like worlds like the whole the guy poor Ilia's family
Speaker 1: is like treating him like shit, like so Russian, like
Speaker 1: you know, assholes, and then like the other guy's family
Speaker 1: like is obsessed with him, but like he's so much
Speaker 1: more closeted and shy, like I don't know. Then I
Speaker 1: was shocked episode three that it went into a totally
Speaker 1: different storyline, but by the end of that storyline, I
Speaker 1: was into it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that other storyline.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't know where it goes in episode four,
Speaker 1: but I'm excited my friend.
Speaker 4: Would sat with them.
Speaker 2: I would say four, Yeah, I message Kamail and Emily
Speaker 2: immediately they'd ever hear from me. It's not like they're
Speaker 2: my close personal friends. I m them and then I
Speaker 2: saw they saw it and didn't respond, and I go, oh,
Speaker 2: if you think that I'm going to be okay with
Speaker 2: now getting a responsor out of your minds, I go,
Speaker 2: I go, you better give me something, And I got
Speaker 2: something from them, but they go, yeah, so I got
Speaker 2: some information.
Speaker 4: I go, you were the best.
Speaker 2: You got the best table of the house, Like are
Speaker 2: you kidding, like you were at the table to be Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I got some info from and then I go, congrat.
Speaker 4: Tell she gave me some info.
Speaker 1: She gave me some inbo, but the info was like
Speaker 1: that I could share as mostly that they just like
Speaker 1: seem like they're having a great time. That's what she said,
Speaker 1: that the egos, they're just good guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So she said that they really do love each like
Speaker 2: you can tell they're really friends. And I'm like, I
Speaker 2: think you could tell that too, and to be able
Speaker 2: to like pull off what they did and like it's
Speaker 2: pretty it's it's really nuts. Yeah, it's really nuts. The more, yeah,
Speaker 2: the whole, like the change of him being a full
Speaker 2: Russian dude. But I did see a post where it's like,
Speaker 2: oh am I in adheated rivalry and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm a depressed bisexual with family trauma.
Speaker 4: Like that's so funny.
Speaker 2: But I was trying to be all like Russian and
Speaker 2: moody at my parents' house, but they're too.
Speaker 4: Nice to me. It really didn't translate.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I was cracking up at the video
Speaker 2: you your dad feeding the stray cat but with like
Speaker 2: a full scratch glove on and you going no, like
Speaker 2: just your voice in it, like your narration was so funny.
Speaker 2: And then my mom truly repeating should I get the stick?
Speaker 2: We should get the stick. We need to get the stick.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, but then people were like, she's just feral.
Speaker 2: They could like she could eventually they could have a bond.
Speaker 2: And maybe my dad is just like, you know, patient
Speaker 2: and wanting it to me. I'm like, fuck this feral cat.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we're right, you know, like everyone was right,
Speaker 2: we gotta men. I mean they're feeding the cat. They're
Speaker 2: feeding Yeah yeah, yeah, but what I'm trying to think, Oh,
Speaker 2: I did end up geting the crop top.
Speaker 4: I don't know what to tell you. I got a
Speaker 4: heated rivalry crop top.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I think that we need to focus
Speaker 1: on cutting back and not cutting out.
Speaker 4: That's unrealistic. Yeah, going to spend crop top.
Speaker 2: And I'm performing in Boston soon January thirtieth, January Weesday again,
Speaker 2: January thirtieth, I'm performing at the Crystal Ball h this
Speaker 2: is yeah, people will hear this before, right, Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: coming on Tuesday. Yeah, absolutely, So I'm gonna wear my
Speaker 2: Boston crop top for the team.
Speaker 1: Oh, for the fictional heated rivalry team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would never wear a Boston sports shirt.
Speaker 1: Well, let me also say that One of the reasons
Speaker 1: that I don't want to catch up is because we
Speaker 1: don't remove on yet. But the reason why I did
Speaker 1: not fully catch up is because I've been I was
Speaker 1: watching The Traders, so I gave three hours to The Traders.
Speaker 1: And I also have watched two movies because Award season
Speaker 1: is upon us and I needed to start watching movies.
Speaker 1: So I watched Pogonia yay, and last night I watched
Speaker 1: Marty Supreme.
Speaker 4: Okay, tell me about Pegonia.
Speaker 1: Well, you've seen it, right, Yeah?
Speaker 4: Did you like it?
Speaker 1: I liked it a lot. I did not like the ending, okay,
Speaker 1: but up till the ending, I really liked it. And
Speaker 1: I think she's she's our Meryl Street. I feel like,
Speaker 1: I mean, she's so good. She's such a good actress.
Speaker 1: He was great. I mean, it's it's I liked it
Speaker 1: a lot. I just I mean, I don't want to
Speaker 1: spoil it. It's still out or whatever for people to watch,
Speaker 1: because I really liked the ending. I liked the ending.
Speaker 1: It was chilling.
Speaker 2: I talk to someone whose kid got a panic attack
Speaker 2: at the end.
Speaker 4: Oh God at the theater. Yeah. Oh.
Speaker 1: I didn't like the ending. I thought that it was
Speaker 1: like and I've talked to a lot of people that
Speaker 1: say the same thing. They really liked it, but they
Speaker 1: didn't like the ending. I thought it was weird that they. Oh,
Speaker 1: also the globes. I mean, NICKI fucking killed it.
Speaker 2: NICKI killed it, and I watched it with my parents
Speaker 2: and then I text Niki and she text me back
Speaker 2: and my parents were very impressed. I'm like, not during
Speaker 2: the show, she it was insane, she did. I love
Speaker 2: that she called out CBS News. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: It was still silly, but I love the rost. I
Speaker 2: love Leo being like, open up, man, open up. Like.
Speaker 1: I love that she kind of like and look, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say it because she's a woman, but I
Speaker 1: think she kind of has like a mastered it how
Speaker 1: you can like tease people but still not come off
Speaker 1: as like rude or mean, because in a way that
Speaker 1: Joe Coy and other people have like failed at you know.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and I guess Ricky Gervais, she said in
Speaker 2: an interview that like she got to talk to him
Speaker 2: on the phone and he said, you're not one of them, Like,
Speaker 2: don't ever forget You're not one of them. You're here
Speaker 2: to entertain them and like be funny, and I think
Speaker 2: that's where maybe the other person you mentioned slipped up, yes,
Speaker 2: like thinking he's like a hot shot for doing it,
Speaker 2: and it's like get to work, get to work, and
Speaker 2: she gets to work. But she looked, I mean she
Speaker 2: looked incredible. The gowns are incredible. She came out to
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift songs and I liked all the jokes, Like
Speaker 2: I was really laughing out loud a lot.
Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, I mean I saw her head
Speaker 1: writer at a party, like when they were just getting
Speaker 1: stared Sean Sean Sean, and he was like, I were
Speaker 1: running it like a hundred times.
Speaker 4: So I know she worked her ass off.
Speaker 1: She had a huge writing team, Like she put so
Speaker 1: much work into it. So yeah, it worked out. I
Speaker 1: honestly have not seen the full thing. I've just seen
Speaker 1: the clips and I Michael being jerk.
Speaker 4: That's shocking.
Speaker 1: You love Award shows, Lisa, I cut the cord. How
Speaker 1: do I even watch it?
Speaker 2: Well, I canceled my Paramount Plus, but I had it,
Speaker 2: and my niece was texting me because obviously she was
Speaker 2: watching for the heated rivalry boys, and so I got
Speaker 2: to put it on my parents' TV and we just
Speaker 2: wasted it. But it's running out on Paramount Plus on
Speaker 2: my Amazon, but like, I canceled it so I have
Speaker 2: a few more weeks and it worked out.
Speaker 4: I got to watch it. But I'm also having.
Speaker 1: Because I literally was texting people and no one could
Speaker 1: tell me how to watch it. No one could tell
Speaker 1: me how to watch it, like everyone was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: Like no, But because they were at the heated rivalry table,
Speaker 2: Kumalan Emily were on the screen a few a few
Speaker 2: extra times.
Speaker 4: I think, not that he's not a star, but well
Speaker 4: he was nominated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Ava Victor getting the shout out from Julia
Speaker 2: Roberts like what that?
Speaker 1: Oh did you see that? So I don't know if
Speaker 1: you watched Sorry Baby. Did you hear about Sorry Baby? No,
Speaker 1: but I've heard about it.
Speaker 2: So I don't know how I've met Ava Victor, but
Speaker 2: I do some know her kind of But she wrote
Speaker 2: and directed and starred in this movie called Sorry Baby.
Speaker 4: I watched it. It was great.
Speaker 2: It got nominated in the same category with Julia Roberts.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was for acting or directing.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's a blur. But Julia Roberts, while she
Speaker 2: was presenting an award was like, oh, and by the way,
Speaker 2: I was hanging out with Ava Victor. She's a genius,
Speaker 2: She's my hero. You have to watch sorry baby. Oh wow, Like,
Speaker 2: how fucking cool is that?
Speaker 4: That's very cool?
Speaker 2: And it was Yeah, she stars in it, wrote wrote wow,
Speaker 2: and then cut to like an interview popped up on
Speaker 2: my phone from weeks prior to the Golden Globes or
Speaker 2: She's like the only person I wanted to meet is
Speaker 2: Julia Roberts, yes, and so like that was really cool,
Speaker 2: but I thought the speeches were so boring. Hey, I'm
Speaker 2: a hater. I don't give a fuck. I was so bored.
Speaker 2: Everyone is so boring. And then one person thinks crew
Speaker 2: members and then it became this trend where I go,
Speaker 2: I actually don't think any of you are sincere, and
Speaker 2: I think you're all putting something on and I don't
Speaker 2: like any of it.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I don't those speed.
Speaker 2: I was bored out of my fucking mind, and watching
Speaker 2: something with commercials was really hard as well. But I
Speaker 2: loved old Hollywood being there. I liked seeing Leo and
Speaker 2: Julia Roberts and George Clooney like that was exciting. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, that's so funny that there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought the Leo jokes were funny too. It's
Speaker 1: like nobody knows anything about you, babe.
Speaker 2: But the pasta pasta because I was such a Leo
Speaker 2: Titanic head. I remember that teen B interview, like I
Speaker 2: remember reading that. Wait, I didn't see Marty's supremum. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to so tell me about that.
Speaker 1: Not for me, just I mean good, he's very good.
Speaker 1: But it's like those Safti brother I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's not the Safti brothers. I know that they they
Speaker 1: got divorced or whatever, but like like just the everybody
Speaker 1: screaming over each other and every single thing that can
Speaker 1: go wrong going wrong, stacked on top on.
Speaker 4: Top on top on top.
Speaker 1: They like I told you, and I go, this is
Speaker 1: like curb your enthusiasm with violence. Like it's just too
Speaker 1: like agitating for me, Like it's just it's not enjoyable.
Speaker 2: But I can see how it is a good move.
Speaker 2: Everybody is good in it. It looks good. It's just
Speaker 2: you know, I wouldn't watch it again. These movies like
Speaker 2: they get me really like agitated.
Speaker 4: And I don't like it.
Speaker 1: But he's you know, he's he's playing a very very
Speaker 1: annoying character and he's very good. But it's nuts. I like,
Speaker 1: you know, Pamela Adlon's daughters on the scene now, o,
Speaker 1: Guessa or whatever.
Speaker 4: She's wonderful. She's very good. She she was great.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, I was gonna say just a sighting. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, somebody saw me at Trader Joe's and
Speaker 1: complimented me on the podcast.
Speaker 4: I said, oh my god, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: And then two seconds later I see Tessa from Fucking Yellowjackets,
Speaker 1: Young Tessa.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: And then we just kept seeing each other and smiling
Speaker 1: and looking at each other the whole time. Like we
Speaker 1: made eye contact like three times, and I was like,
Speaker 1: should I say anything? But then I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna go you know, I'm not gonna go up
Speaker 1: to But I was like, someone just told me they
Speaker 1: like my work. Should I just go up to her
Speaker 1: and say I like your work? I don't know, But
Speaker 1: then you know, I had to get out of there.
Speaker 4: But well, I guess who I went out with last night?
Speaker 2: Who Arsley our MVP. I met one of her sisters
Speaker 2: and we went out and had a couple drinks after
Speaker 2: she saw Oh Mary, So that was fun.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, who who's the Mary currently?
Speaker 4: Shane Jinks? She got to see Jinks. Oh Jinks. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so that was exciting but so good. But so we
Speaker 4: so Arseny me. We have the same birthday.
Speaker 2: And then we ended up at the bar starting to
Speaker 2: talk to another group of people that were there for
Speaker 2: you know, living their lives at a bar too. And
Speaker 2: one of the other girl's birthdays was August thirty first
Speaker 2: as well. Wow, it felt huge, huge felt for the
Speaker 2: virgo A shaft of virgos meeting.
Speaker 4: What is it? What's that?
Speaker 1: What's the community? What's the communal noun for virgos? And
Speaker 1: the parliament of Virgos?
Speaker 2: Yeah, a bunch of virgins, a bunch of rgents.
Speaker 4: Okay, back to heated rivalry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you want to talk about any of your
Speaker 2: other favorite moments so far?
Speaker 4: I mean silence, Well, we can wait till next week
Speaker 4: to really get into it.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'd be too psychotic at this point
Speaker 2: because I really have such favorite lines. I like when
Speaker 2: he's like, mah no, no boring Canadians, no dumb Americans,
Speaker 2: Like I red that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's like great. I mean I I
Speaker 1: think that they.
Speaker 4: Have great chemistry.
Speaker 1: And I'm also like, it's also sort of sad that
Speaker 1: like so much of it is about that they can't
Speaker 1: even be themselves, that they can't come out and like
Speaker 1: because in sports, even though it's twenty twenty five to six,
Speaker 1: you know, you.
Speaker 2: Know what's so little that's not a spoiler, but you
Speaker 2: can notice if you already haven't noticed, like the attention
Speaker 2: to detail of this fucking show. The text bubbles changed
Speaker 2: throughout time as the years go by. Oh so eventually
Speaker 2: I realized it was an iPhone and I go, wait, are.
Speaker 4: You fucking kidding me?
Speaker 2: And then of course I'm going back and it goes
Speaker 2: to like old timey phones and it goes to BlackBerry,
Speaker 2: and you like kind of see the progression of tech.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, this is why shows like this need
Speaker 2: people like me to watch it so much, because they're
Speaker 2: putting all this detail in and I'm here to watch it.
Speaker 4: You're and you're catching it. I'm here to catchlock.
Speaker 1: I did clock when at one point Hollander's watching a
Speaker 1: video of Rosenakhov, like on rosen Off, rosen Off, rosen Off, sorry, Rosanoff,
Speaker 1: that's a different I know, a person with that last name.
Speaker 1: Oh it rosen Off, but Rosanoff is and he's looking
Speaker 1: at a video of him and I'm like, what the
Speaker 1: fuck phone is that? And then I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's twenty eleven. It's a BlackBerry, like because I didn't
Speaker 1: really I had a BlackBerry, and I don't think I
Speaker 1: ever really had video capability. If I did, it was
Speaker 1: really bad, like it was bad video. So I just looked, uh,
Speaker 1: but I was I do, like, I respect the twenty
Speaker 1: tens of it all, but.
Speaker 4: Not over the top.
Speaker 2: Because I read an interview with the costume designer who's
Speaker 2: so good, and she was saying, she goes, I didn't
Speaker 2: go for trendy. I lived that, and I just went
Speaker 2: through my memory of what people would wear, especially athletes,
Speaker 2: and like they repeat outfits in the wrinkles of clothes
Speaker 2: because like Hollander wouldn't iron a linen, like these little
Speaker 2: details and I don't know, they just fucking kill me.
Speaker 4: The slides that Ilia wears.
Speaker 2: But yeah, she she's like, I didn't want to go
Speaker 2: trendy and obvious, but like I just wanted to go
Speaker 2: off feeling and what I remember, and I feel like
Speaker 2: I can sense that as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I I'm really like just drawn into what's going on
Speaker 1: with these guys. I'm into the story.
Speaker 4: They're so talented.
Speaker 2: I like really don't and I wonder what they'll do next,
Speaker 2: like obviously want another season of this, but or two more.
Speaker 4: I will have finished the other three by next intro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean my dms are filled with people
Speaker 2: wanting to talk.
Speaker 4: I will.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but but I'm not. Wonder are
Speaker 1: you watching Traders?
Speaker 2: I refuse, you know, you know my stance. I'm pissed
Speaker 2: I was not cast and I'm never like this. I'm
Speaker 2: always happy for people and enjoying the arts. I refuse
Speaker 2: to watch Traders. My bff Julia did fill me in
Speaker 2: fully spoiled everything for me, and I'd love to hear
Speaker 2: about it, but I'm not giving my numbers. I can't
Speaker 2: even stand it. I can't say it, but I hurt. No,
Speaker 2: it's not as sad as it sounds, but I don't
Speaker 2: want to watch it. I don't want to watch it.
Speaker 2: But I heard the person that I'm annoyed that got
Speaker 2: it fucked everything up.
Speaker 4: Yes, so I like that.
Speaker 1: Yes, they had a fuck up, a big fuck up,
Speaker 1: and there's just like a lot of housewives and yeah,
Speaker 1: housewives action like in the past couple I don't know about.
Speaker 1: I actually can't speak to the Phager season. But last
Speaker 1: season it felt like the housewives were kind of like okay,
Speaker 1: like you know, Dolo was on till the end, but
Speaker 1: she was a little bit like just like a nicey
Speaker 1: nice that didn't really.
Speaker 4: I don't think she she voted.
Speaker 1: For Tom Sandabal like every single week, you know, like
Speaker 1: they're just she wasn't And then I got out early.
Speaker 1: Like this year, it feels like they're going to really
Speaker 1: be like key players. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hope so.
Speaker 2: I mean, because that's what the dumb thing that everyone's
Speaker 2: always done, is they get rid of the housewives first
Speaker 2: instead of the strategic game players, which is so stupid.
Speaker 4: These women have no idea what's going on, which is
Speaker 4: different this season. Yeah. So, and I like that a
Speaker 4: couple of them are in the cloaks.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I'm I'm happy to know everything that happens.
Speaker 2: I just don't really want to watch anything but heated rivalry,
Speaker 2: and especially not a Castle I'm so jealous of.
Speaker 4: Get me into that Castle campaign?
Speaker 1: Why not the next one?
Speaker 2: No, I think they're doing regular people or something I
Speaker 2: heard after listen. If they want me, they can come
Speaker 2: get me. I'm done in the year before.
Speaker 1: Have they done comedians?
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. Okay, I don't think so okay.
Speaker 2: Maybe I know they offered it to some people we know,
Speaker 2: but I'm not sure. I'm yeah, okay, I'm like trying
Speaker 2: to make sure I'm telling you the lines. I really
Speaker 2: like that. Don't mess it up. But we'll just wait
Speaker 2: till next week. We'll wait, okay, wait. And I feel
Speaker 2: like people are at.
Speaker 3: The chair scene.
Speaker 4: I love the way he says fuck.
Speaker 2: Like I just am obsessed in what scene the chair
Speaker 2: scene in Vegas after the Awards where he drags the chair.
Speaker 4: That was like a hot scene. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But also Shane, oh my god, I can't believe you
Speaker 2: don't remember. That's like crazy. But also like Shane just
Speaker 2: being so autism of like stop bringing up Russia. He
Speaker 2: clearly hates it and has a terrible life. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: like it took him so long to realize, Like I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's just he's like they just fucked and
Speaker 2: he's like, so Russia where you were really sad, It's
Speaker 2: like so fun.
Speaker 4: You're gonna go home for the summer.
Speaker 1: I mean he's like such a like I mean, I
Speaker 1: know he's Canadian, but he has like, you know, vibe
Speaker 1: as like American, like Northeastern sort of like athlete.
Speaker 4: Like, so you're going home for the summer for all.
Speaker 2: Like that's what Connor was saying, that the jock element
Speaker 2: was harder to do than the Russian and the like
Speaker 2: fucking was like being a hockey jock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like skating was the hardest part. Damn to
Speaker 1: have to master all these fucking things.
Speaker 4: Crazy.
Speaker 1: I know, you saw Janelle's little thing where she kind
Speaker 1: of had so much fleck that was really good.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, oh.
Speaker 2: I also undercurrent that I love is like his English
Speaker 2: gets better throughout and it's like very subtle, but like
Speaker 2: there's moments where he learns new words, but like the
Speaker 2: accent changes throughout and I just feel they you know,
Speaker 2: they shot it out of order. And so to have
Speaker 2: this skill of like knowing where to have your Russian
Speaker 2: be a certain way and the accent and like the
Speaker 2: dropped verbs and like in I don't know how, I
Speaker 2: don't know enough about grammar, but there's intro like my
Speaker 2: dad words. Yeah, it's direct and like the early scenes
Speaker 2: really have that, and then he gets better and I
Speaker 2: like seeing him or like certain words where he goes
Speaker 2: like what is that? Or he has to like ponder
Speaker 2: about a word or like stick in a Russian word.
Speaker 4: I'm just so like impressed by that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's like, well, I mean, Hollander
Speaker 1: does say at one point, when's your English?
Speaker 4: Get so good?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, you know, I love all of that.
Speaker 2: Every time he's like saying like stuff about his dick,
Speaker 2: and he's like, oh, who taught you that word?
Speaker 4: I like that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he's there's like just the little runner that
Speaker 1: he's such an asshole and everybody keeps calling him an asshole.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then when you come back next week, we
Speaker 2: can talk about who you think fell in love first?
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, okay, okay, because I have an opinion now,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure it'll be saying in three well, I
Speaker 1: mean to me, it feels like to me, it feels
Speaker 1: like Hollander is more like innocently in love with him
Speaker 1: with with Rosanov then, and that Rosanov kind of went
Speaker 1: forward initially probably out of like let's see, like you know,
Speaker 1: out of just sexual attraction, but then he is falling
Speaker 1: in love with him also, But to me, it feels
Speaker 1: like Hollander's more like he's but also maybe that's just
Speaker 1: his russianness and his coldness, because like he's the one
Speaker 1: that's always like all right, bye, get out of here,
Speaker 1: kind of you know, like and he like, like the
Speaker 1: last thing I saw of those two was him being like,
Speaker 1: we didn't even kiss and then he deletes. It's so sweet,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's like I feel like anybody can
Speaker 1: relate to that. Anybody can be like, hey, like, are
Speaker 1: you like being in a relationship with someone that's like
Speaker 1: is this do you even care about me?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: Or is this just like a physical thing? So I
Speaker 1: to me, it feels like Hollander right now. But you know,
Speaker 1: I've only seen two full episodes with them, and then
Speaker 1: the second, the last one has nothing to do with them.
Speaker 2: So the third one, so you're about to watch my
Speaker 2: favorite outside. I mean, obviously the finale is like great,
Speaker 2: but I really love everything that happens at Ilia's house
Speaker 2: in Boston.
Speaker 1: So oh okay, okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm get
Speaker 1: I'm catching up. I've got time, I've got time this
Speaker 1: week and I'm gonna do it. I just have so much.
Speaker 1: And I really felt like I was being really good
Speaker 1: on catching up with my stuff lately, Like I was
Speaker 1: on Traders, I'm caught up on I'm caught up on
Speaker 1: Salt Lake. But I was just talking to one of
Speaker 1: our mutual friends about like, just I'm sort of just
Speaker 1: like falling off some of the housewives. I used to
Speaker 1: be such a completist and watching even if it was bad.
Speaker 1: But it's like, I'm not watching not Potomac. I heard
Speaker 1: has been fun. I need to get back into it.
Speaker 1: But I kind of just dropped off a little bit.
Speaker 1: And then a bunch of my friends were like, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna watch Beverly Hills anymore.
Speaker 4: We're bored.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, I'm sort of obsessed with seeing
Speaker 1: where things go with this new grifter though she's such
Speaker 1: a grift.
Speaker 2: Mine, I don't I'm not watching anything but heated rivalry.
Speaker 2: Like I'm not being like hyperbolic here, Like, wait, did
Speaker 2: I already.
Speaker 1: Talk about this girl on on this No, I'm just
Speaker 1: Amanda is this new girl on Beverly Hill.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: She has a book called Rich as Fuck, and it's
Speaker 1: about encouraging women to like get rich and.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, II matter, yeah the griftery.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, like get past their borders about money.
Speaker 1: But then Dart is getting divorced and Bo's is like,
Speaker 1: do you have any advice for her? And she goes,
Speaker 1: you got to just figure out what you're gonna do, girl,
Speaker 1: you gotta just be what you say you're gonna be.
Speaker 1: And she's like, I'm sorry, I was thinking more along
Speaker 1: the lines of open an ira or like you know,
Speaker 1: like she thought she would maybe give her some concrete
Speaker 1: advice of like, oh, here's what you do with some
Speaker 1: of your assets, and the girl was like, just you know,
Speaker 1: get manifesting, babe, like you know, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: crazy to see somebody build an empire and be a
Speaker 1: best selling author when they constantly say I have actual
Speaker 1: no financial expertise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's but like spiritually helping. Like you can't say
Speaker 2: you're a financial money professional and not know anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, take an introductory course, head on down to the
Speaker 1: community college. Let's do something. And she's like, that's not me.
Speaker 1: I'm vibes. I'm all vibes about money. But you know,
Speaker 1: award season is upon us. Wait, but we've been getting
Speaker 1: a lot of messages, we have to start but really quickly.
Speaker 1: We've been getting a lot of messages about Timothy Bussfield.
Speaker 1: I sent you this. This guy was in the episode
Speaker 1: Russian Brides of SVU. He's in an upcoming SVU episode
Speaker 1: which actually I believe is supposed to air. It's airing
Speaker 1: for we're recording this early because as always were in
Speaker 1: the time machine, it was supposed to be. He's in
Speaker 1: a new episode playing a judge, and his episode was
Speaker 1: supposed to air this week. But if you're listening to
Speaker 1: this last week and they swapped out the episode because
Speaker 1: of what's going on because this guy has been accused
Speaker 1: of of sexual assault against miners.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And these two he's he's an actor.
Speaker 4: He was on the West Wing.
Speaker 1: I think I sent it to you through IG so
Speaker 1: maybe if you missed it in the midst of a
Speaker 1: heated rivalry flurry, but like you know this he he
Speaker 1: it's these two twins that worked with him on a
Speaker 1: and then now there's as of today, he turned himself in.
Speaker 4: He was missing for a minute and then he turned
Speaker 4: himself in.
Speaker 1: And he's married to Melissa Gilbert, who was like a
Speaker 1: famous actress from like Little house on the prairie and
Speaker 1: a bunch of other stuff. So and she says she's
Speaker 1: standing by him, and now there's an accusation from a
Speaker 1: sixteen year old.
Speaker 4: So it's getting worse and worse.
Speaker 1: But it's crazy that it's affecting current SVU because they
Speaker 1: had to pull this episode and maybe it'll go on
Speaker 1: the shelf with the Trump episode and we'll never see it.
Speaker 4: The perverts keep perverting. Yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 2: Well let's start and you know, keep our disassociation from
Speaker 2: our reality going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, as always, fuck ice, and let's let's
Speaker 1: start the episode. Okay, today we are doing the episode Ripped,
Speaker 1: which reminds me.
Speaker 4: I don't know if everybody knows.
Speaker 1: The lore of our podcast is that we were originally
Speaker 1: going to be called Ripped from the headlines, and then
Speaker 1: some rando's quickly started a podcast called that that I
Speaker 1: don't even know if they update it. I'm kind of
Speaker 1: happy that it went that way, though, because I think
Speaker 1: that's messed up is about her name. But Casey didn't
Speaker 1: know any of this. No, he's just learning it.
Speaker 2: No, that's messed up is way more fun for us.
Speaker 2: I like the TMU of it all. I like that
Speaker 2: at Honors iced tea and ripped from the headlines as
Speaker 2: like the Hulu playlists. Yes you know, you know it's Yes,
Speaker 2: it's not as unique, but it was obviously perfect for
Speaker 2: the podcast.
Speaker 4: You're gonna do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So whenever I see this, when I see
Speaker 1: this episode ripped, I think of ripped from the headlines,
Speaker 1: But it has nothing to do with that.
Speaker 2: And you also might not know that when we got
Speaker 2: offered the deal or the contract or something, Kara was
Speaker 2: in labor responding to emails like the podcast is as
Speaker 2: old as Rosy because she was being born as Kara
Speaker 2: was like signing the contracts.
Speaker 1: Then I like got my drag Race job, Like well,
Speaker 1: while wearing a diaper in.
Speaker 4: The hospital. Do you know this? Do you know? Rosie
Speaker 4: was a month old.
Speaker 2: Jared was on set like working on a movie with Kumel,
Speaker 2: and so Kara got her dream job at drag Race.
Speaker 4: Rosie's a month old and her husband is out of.
Speaker 1: Town, and then you and I are driving around pitching
Speaker 1: the podcast.
Speaker 4: It was crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm like leaving SVU, I'm like leaving my job at
Speaker 1: drag Race, being like can I have a long lunch
Speaker 1: so we can go like pitch the Pod.
Speaker 2: I think if it was called Rip from the Headlines,
Speaker 2: it would not still be on the air.
Speaker 4: Really, we've changed the personality of the show entirely.
Speaker 1: I think so too, because I think a lot because
Speaker 1: Rip from the Headlines doesn't only apply to SVU, Like,
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of TV movies that are called Rip
Speaker 1: from the Headlines, and I think it would have just
Speaker 1: been a different thing.
Speaker 2: And speaking of names, I also just want to say,
Speaker 2: I love how you've all embraced the Tommies. Hear from
Speaker 2: the Tommies and We're gonna get you some Tommy. I'm
Speaker 2: grinning from ear to ear that we finally have a
Speaker 2: name and where the yeah the Tommy's Unite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So Ripped is from season seven, which is
Speaker 1: a hot season. It's the season Mariushka one the Emmy.
Speaker 1: We'll get into that later, but it's it's I would
Speaker 1: say it's a packed, a jam packed season. It's episode
Speaker 1: four from October of two thousand and five, Baby Take
Speaker 1: Me Back. Benson and Stabler are at a school, briskly
Speaker 1: walking to meet a victim with the school's principal, who's
Speaker 1: describing how Pamela just ran out of an empty classroom.
Speaker 1: Her clothes were ripped, she'd been hit, but she won't
Speaker 1: tell them anything else. So now Pamela's getting wheeled out
Speaker 1: on a stretcher. A very over it emergency responder is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he did a real number on her face. She might
Speaker 1: need a couple of stitches. Like, it's a lot of
Speaker 1: it's it's the victim looks like she's been hit on
Speaker 1: the head. But it's like, nobody seems that. I don't
Speaker 1: know the I don't know the the reactions are mixed.
Speaker 4: I'll say that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So she's telling Benson, I don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Forget about it. It was just an argument. I said something
Speaker 1: nasty to him. It's my fault. And as Pamela gets
Speaker 1: loaded into the ambulance, the principal tells detectives that a
Speaker 1: boy in a baseball practice uniform was just seen running
Speaker 1: down the halls after the attack. So now Finn and
Speaker 1: Stable are head straight to the baseball field. They spot
Speaker 1: a pitcher immediately with blood on his shirt, and he
Speaker 1: jogs over to them and they're like, what's up, dog,
Speaker 1: How the blood get there? And he looks genuinely confused,
Speaker 1: and then Finn goes, are you sure it's not from
Speaker 1: beating the crap out of Pamela Sawyer, And then this
Speaker 1: high school kid just winds up and cold Cock's fin
Speaker 1: right in the face, like a full punch to the face.
Speaker 4: Stabler attacks him, tackles him down.
Speaker 1: He's got him, like, you know, in his hold, and
Speaker 1: he's like, my dad's a cop, and they're like, what's
Speaker 1: his name, and he goes Pete Breslin, and Saylor looks
Speaker 1: at him and goes, you're Luke. And of course this
Speaker 1: kid's father was his radio car partner back in the day.
Speaker 1: Of course, like Stabler knows Catholic school Catholic schools in
Speaker 1: New York and every other cop in the city as
Speaker 1: well has been his partner before Benson. So the credits
Speaker 1: are happening now. It's a pretty great credit freeze. At
Speaker 1: the end, it's the main four plus Craigan plus one
Speaker 1: plus Novak plus Milinda.
Speaker 4: It's pretty good. That's like a real hot lineup right.
Speaker 1: And then at the precinct, Luke is worried that his
Speaker 1: dad is going to freak out.
Speaker 4: Stabler's like, let me talk to.
Speaker 1: Him first, and Luke is like, did I do something wrong,
Speaker 1: and Finn like looks annoyed, and Stabler's like, you beat
Speaker 1: up Pamela Sawyer and Luke's like, did she say I
Speaker 1: did that? And Finn's like, and then when we confronted you,
Speaker 1: you punched me in the fucking face. And Luke is like,
Speaker 1: I don't remember that, And so obviously we get some
Speaker 1: I don't recalls on this show, but this seems like
Speaker 1: this kid really doesn't remember. And Luke, by the way,
Speaker 1: is played by Paul Wesley, who is also in season
Speaker 1: two an episode called Wrong is Right, But I.
Speaker 2: I he was very like J fourteen magazine. Yeah, Robbie
Speaker 2: Tiger b Yeah, what is the episode of us wrong?
Speaker 4: Wrong is Right? From season two?
Speaker 1: And even I know I don't remember the title of that,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure we've seen it, but maybe we'll cover it.
Speaker 2: I remember the beginning of Okay, I remember these guys eyebrows.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's a friend of like a victim or
Speaker 1: something like that in the in this episode.
Speaker 4: I looked it up.
Speaker 1: But many of you might know him. He was in
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy one episodes of The Vampire Diary,
Speaker 1: so you might know him as a vampire hunk. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's a vampire or not, but that's
Speaker 1: that I would say. Is this big uh his big
Speaker 1: IMDb presence.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: So they asked the.
Speaker 2: Kid, like, we want to fuck vampires the most of
Speaker 2: the classic monsters.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure. Yeah, vampires are the sexiest one. Whose
Speaker 4: second place? What is it? Wolfman, Frankenstein, the Mummy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like also like any monster type, like zombies, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: nobody's really.
Speaker 4: Well no, I'm talking the classics, the classics. Vampire. Yeah,
Speaker 4: nobody wants to put the Mummy.
Speaker 1: I know, the Lagoon the Lagoon guy, but the creature
Speaker 1: from the Black Lagoon, he's number two.
Speaker 4: He's hot, he has abs. I don't know. I think that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, vampires are the sexy ones because they also like
Speaker 1: use mind control to like seduce people.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yeah, rape, okay, a.
Speaker 1: Little rape, but I mean true blood. So anyway, Paul
Speaker 1: Wesley Vampire Diary. So Luke remembers eighth period. He remembers
Speaker 1: the bell ringing, getting dressed for practice, and then the
Speaker 1: next thing he remembers is he's sitting alone in the
Speaker 1: back of a squad car and Stabler asks about the
Speaker 1: blood on his shirt again, and he's like, I have
Speaker 1: no clue how this got there, and they point out
Speaker 1: Paula on like the lower they're they're weirdly like on
Speaker 1: the upper level of the precinct, like looking down that
Speaker 1: little I kind of like when they go up to
Speaker 1: that little nook because it's not cement room bars, it's
Speaker 1: not woodroom blinds, it's van.
Speaker 4: I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: Trick, it's for trick playing, it's for romance. I would
Speaker 2: love to get to propose.
Speaker 1: The old lady was up there when they gave her
Speaker 1: the sweatshirt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can.
Speaker 2: Get proposed to in the old s VU set on
Speaker 2: the stairs to the lofted area of the precinct, and
Speaker 2: then a Chinese food lunch and boxes was waiting for me.
Speaker 1: I would wow, I would that would be it?
Speaker 4: That would be it. I think even if you.
Speaker 2: Were going to say no, you'd say yes. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: think if someone did that for me, I would marry that.
Speaker 2: They reconstruct.
Speaker 1: They have to reconstruct the old s view set because honestly,
Speaker 1: the new one is completely sleek and computer graphics and
Speaker 1: like different, and will you marry me? Has to be
Speaker 1: written on like corkboard with like a bunch of pictures
Speaker 1: of you guys with that like look like crime scene photos, but.
Speaker 4: It's pictures of you guys. And then and then Melinda
Speaker 4: comes in with some news.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's like wait a minute, and she has the
Speaker 1: ring in a baggie. Oh my god, I love this. Okay, Wow,
Speaker 1: we're really planning it.
Speaker 4: We have then the Year of the Whores.
Speaker 1: These you gotta ask for what you want, okay. So anyway,
Speaker 1: they point to Paula on the lower level and he's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, can I talk to her? And it's like, no, dummy,
Speaker 1: have you, like, do you know your dad's a copy
Speaker 1: yet talked to her? Sabler and Finn go downstairs while
Speaker 1: Munch keeps an eye on Luke, and then Finn tells
Speaker 1: Sabler like, Sabler's like, hey, let's get started on that
Speaker 1: paperwork to charge this kid, and stable Finn's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, you know this kid like, you don't really
Speaker 1: need to press charges.
Speaker 4: He seems like he's jammed up enough. So Finn's like
Speaker 4: kind of.
Speaker 1: Doing a solid here and like not charging this kid
Speaker 1: for punching him in the face.
Speaker 4: So in a room cause I couldn't tell what room,
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's not woodroom blinds, it's like an office
Speaker 1: in an office. Benson is talking to Pamela, who says
Speaker 1: that she's not going to change her mind, so they
Speaker 1: might as well stop asking her, and Stabler mentions Luke
Speaker 1: and she's like, how'd you know and Stabler's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: your blood is all over his shirt, like we can
Speaker 1: find things out.
Speaker 4: You guys are not high school detectives.
Speaker 1: By the way, Pamela is played by an actor and
Speaker 1: singer named Julia Weldon who is non binary. But since
Speaker 1: they are playing a fee male character, I will be
Speaker 1: saying she when referring to Pamela. But they were in
Speaker 1: this movie called Before and After with Meryl Streep and
Speaker 1: Liam Neeson, which I've never heard of but I thought
Speaker 1: could be good for movie Grid.
Speaker 4: Wait tell me again.
Speaker 1: It's called Before and After, and it's some kind of
Speaker 1: thrillery murder thing, and I think they play like their
Speaker 1: child or so they play like Meryl Streep and Liam
Speaker 1: Neeson's kid or something. But I think it's some kind
Speaker 1: of movie that looked really.
Speaker 2: Like Meryl stays working. Yeah, what's some oh my good
Speaker 2: murdering his girlfriend?
Speaker 1: And it's from nineteen ninety six. Like this feels like
Speaker 1: it's around the time of like The River Wild, and
Speaker 1: like when I was seeing a lot of Meryl Streep movies.
Speaker 4: So Edward Furlong's in.
Speaker 1: It, Yeah, he had a time John Hurd as view
Speaker 1: alum John heard who I Love Rip the Dad from
Speaker 1: Home Alone.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I've never heard.
Speaker 1: Of this movie, and.
Speaker 4: They're in it.
Speaker 1: So but they're mostly I think a musician now and
Speaker 1: doing some acting.
Speaker 4: But anyway, Pamela is work.
Speaker 1: I just thought before and after a movie Grid, Liam Neeson,
Speaker 1: Meryl Street, Yes, you help me. You know, no one's
Speaker 1: gonna put that one. That one's gonna be low percent.
Speaker 1: Pamela's really worried Abou's gonna happen to Luke. She's like,
Speaker 1: this is not like him. There must be something wrong
Speaker 1: with him. And Benson is like, tell us what he
Speaker 1: did and maybe we can help him, and Pamela's like, well,
Speaker 1: I was working after school. I saw Luke running down
Speaker 1: the hallway. He was acting all hyped up and weird.
Speaker 1: Then he grabbed me and started kissing me on the lips.
Speaker 1: She's like, I pushed him away. He got really mad.
Speaker 1: Then he pulled me into a classroom, ripped my shirt.
Speaker 1: I kicked him and then he hit me in the face,
Speaker 1: and she's like, we're best friends, but maybe I said
Speaker 1: something or did something to lead him on. And Benson
Speaker 1: is pressuring her to press charges, but she's like, but
Speaker 1: Luke wi get kicked out of school, he won't graduate.
Speaker 1: What'll everyone say if I do that to him? Like
Speaker 1: she's stressed, so Craigan pulls Stabler.
Speaker 4: Out of the room. Pamela's parents have arrived.
Speaker 1: Stabler tells the parents like, well, she's a little bruised up,
Speaker 1: a couple of stitches, but otherwise she's okay. And the
Speaker 1: parents are like, he's been friends since second grade. There,
Speaker 1: we're like his surrogand parents, how could he do this?
Speaker 1: And Stabler's like, well, you know, Pamela won't press charges,
Speaker 1: but the parents want their surrogate son to pay. They're like, well,
Speaker 1: then we will, and they're like he's like, well, the
Speaker 1: most we could charge him with would be misdemeanor assault,
Speaker 1: and the dad's like that's it. Like I understand you
Speaker 1: don't want to see your kid hit, but if this
Speaker 1: kid is like your good family friend, I feel like
Speaker 1: you want to get some answers first, before you jump
Speaker 1: to like all the legality up. But if you're I
Speaker 1: don't know if you're normal, I don't know, maybe you're
Speaker 1: just like fuck that, Like, but if it seems very
Speaker 1: out of character for this kid, let's get to the
Speaker 1: bottom of it.
Speaker 4: Stabler goes.
Speaker 1: Stabler just off handedly goes, it might not be worth
Speaker 1: it to make Pamela relive what happened to trial.
Speaker 4: Okay, piece of shit. He's such a piece of Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Benson pulls Stabler into another room and she's like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck was that he assaulted her?
Speaker 4: That's the end of the story.
Speaker 1: And Stabler's like, I'm having a hard time believing it
Speaker 1: because of this memory loss issue.
Speaker 4: And I think Benson's kind.
Speaker 1: Of like, yeah, dog, we've heard a million people say
Speaker 1: that they've lost their memory, Like why do we have
Speaker 1: to believe this kid because you know his partner? And
Speaker 1: Stabler's like, well, I called Huang to come in and
Speaker 1: talk to him. Benson's like, since when do we call
Speaker 1: the shrink before we do like before the caller, and
Speaker 1: Ben sin quotes his whole it might not be worth
Speaker 1: it line that he just said to the parents. She's like,
Speaker 1: you're trying to make this go away, and he goes,
Speaker 1: I've known Luke since he was a baby. He was
Speaker 1: always a sweet kid.
Speaker 2: And Benson's like, you didn't even write It's like you
Speaker 2: didn't even recognize him. You go, you're Luke like you
Speaker 2: She goes, you haven't seen him since he hit puberty.
Speaker 2: He's not so sweet anymore. Like it's so true. It's like,
Speaker 2: but I knew this kid till he was ten. Now
Speaker 2: he's seventeen. Nothing could have changed.
Speaker 1: In the next scene, the dad Pete finally shows up
Speaker 1: and Stabler greets him, and he's played by Noah Emerick,
Speaker 1: who is to me known from the Americans, but he
Speaker 1: works a lot. He's also in the current Hulu Murdoch
Speaker 1: Murders show that I haven't watched, but it's with you know,
Speaker 1: Patricia Arquette, and it's I did listen to like a
Speaker 1: whole Murdoch Murders podcast. I was very invested at the
Speaker 1: time that it was all going down. So he's relieved
Speaker 1: to see Stabler. He's like, I'm so lucky you caught
Speaker 1: this because immediately it's like cops pat in each other
Speaker 1: on the back, right, rubbing each other's elbows.
Speaker 4: What are they doing greasing each other's wheels.
Speaker 1: I don't know anyway, Stabler asks about Lily uh, and
Speaker 1: Pete goes, oh, she left six years ago.
Speaker 4: She lives in Michigan. She doesn't even call, not even Luke.
Speaker 1: So okay, I get that women can have issues and
Speaker 1: this and that, but like, she walked out on you, Like,
Speaker 1: what kind of husband were you?
Speaker 4: She walked out on you and the kid and doesn't
Speaker 4: talk to either of you. What was up?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Like, I can't imagine that it was good. Stabler tells,
Speaker 1: I mean not that women don't walk out on families randomly.
Speaker 4: I just I don't. It doesn't.
Speaker 1: It's not as common. Then Stabler tells him, I feel you.
Speaker 1: Kathy and her kids are staying at Kathy's moms right now.
Speaker 1: So I guess it's just hard to be married to
Speaker 1: you heroes you got, you know, so hard to be
Speaker 1: married to these like, you know, untouchable strong men. So
Speaker 1: he tells Pete about the memory loss thing, and immediately
Speaker 1: Pete's like, you talked to my song with the courtesy
Speaker 1: of waiting for me, and Stabler's like, dog, chill, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to run a game on your son, and
Speaker 1: he sends Pete to talk to Luke, who is in
Speaker 1: there with Munch, and then Stabler finds Benson in a
Speaker 1: huddle with Daddy, Craigan and Novak strategizing how to charge Luke,
Speaker 1: and Novak's like, slam dunk, We've got plenty of evidence.
Speaker 1: We can charge him like a batterer with a wife
Speaker 1: that won't cooperate, you know. And then Stabler chimes in
Speaker 1: and he's like, it's awful lot of work for a misdemeanor,
Speaker 1: and Benson's like he could have killed her, and Novak goes,
Speaker 1: I'll go get the ball rolling, and then we don't
Speaker 1: see her again, but Craigan tells Stabler to get Luke
Speaker 1: into the system now. Then Wang shows up, Munch leaves
Speaker 1: and says, I'll be in the porcelain reading room. Okay, Munch, Jesus,
Speaker 1: I usually think his humor is a little bit more highbrow,
Speaker 1: but anyway, Huang tells. Huang asks Pete, hey, is it
Speaker 1: okay if I talked to your son? And he goes, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: if you think it'll help, and so they him and
Speaker 1: Stabler step out and outside, Pete says, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: Luke told me the same thing about them memory loss.
Speaker 1: I'm worried about him, And Stabler's like, is there a
Speaker 1: possibility he could be on drugs? Pete goes he's a
Speaker 1: straight a student. He throws a ninety eight mile an
Speaker 1: hour fastball and he hits home runs. Everyone loves him.
Speaker 1: Does that sound like he's on drugs? And it's like
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, yeah, absolutely could be, Like you know
Speaker 1: a drugs Yeah, it's like, oh, you have to be
Speaker 1: getting f's and be bad at sports to do drugs,
Speaker 1: Like I bet this cop dork thinks that way though, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: Like he he's acting like, uh this, I've got the
Speaker 1: perfect son. He doesn't do drugs. And Stabler breaks the
Speaker 1: news like I got to collar him. My captain's ordering me,
Speaker 1: and he's like, dude, he's got colleges, he's got scouts
Speaker 1: from the majors and the miners looking at him. He
Speaker 1: must be it's he did really out of this girl?
Speaker 1: Like have you has? The dad even asked if she's okay? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And if you're strong enough to throw a ninety eight
Speaker 1: mile an hour fastball and the major leagues are looking
Speaker 1: at you, you're really gonna fire someone up with a punch,
Speaker 1: you know, like, that's not like me punching someone, Like
Speaker 1: I don't think I could even break skin, you know,
Speaker 1: I've never tried. But so Pete's like, you know this
Speaker 1: is gonna be so bad for him, and Stabler's like,
Speaker 1: but you know, he won't do any time for this,
Speaker 1: and Pete explains because it's a first time offense and
Speaker 1: it's a misdemeanor. Pete explains like, well, he'll have to
Speaker 1: report it to every team, to every college. His life
Speaker 1: will be over before it even starts. And Stable goes,
Speaker 1: he punched the girl three times. It's serious, and I
Speaker 1: didn't realize he punched her three times until just now, like,
Speaker 1: and he goes call a lawyer, and then Pete's like,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna do anything, and Stabler looks pissed, like
Speaker 1: I'm actually doing my best to help you right now,
Speaker 1: and then he goes, I heard what those cops did
Speaker 1: for your daughter and her DUI, which you know, Stabler
Speaker 1: got people to help him one time, and it comes
Speaker 1: back to haunt him many many times. And he goes,
Speaker 1: my daughter didn't hurt anyone, But Pete's like, yeah, but
Speaker 1: she could have killed someone, you know, and he goes
Speaker 1: and then I'd be in the same damn boat as you,
Speaker 1: telling you to do the same damn thing. He tells, Pete,
Speaker 1: go home, who's going in the system, and you can't.
Speaker 4: Do shit about it.
Speaker 1: So then he walks. Stable walks into the next room,
Speaker 1: and Craigan is right in his face, yelling at him
Speaker 1: for what he said to Pamela's parents about not pressing charges.
Speaker 1: And he's like, he goes, this is worse than breaking
Speaker 1: the rules. You put the squad, the whole squad's credibility
Speaker 1: on the line. You did everything you could to get
Speaker 1: your old partner's kid a pass. As of right this minute,
Speaker 1: you're on vacation. Get your ass out of my sight
Speaker 1: before I do something we both regret, and I said, fuck.
Speaker 1: Craigan is going in hard on this because Stable has
Speaker 1: done worse, Like he has done a lot of bad shit,
Speaker 1: and this is bad.
Speaker 4: Maybe he's just like at the end of its.
Speaker 2: Usually like brute force, or like it's for the greater good,
Speaker 2: or it's for the victim.
Speaker 4: They're like gonna break the law. That's true. He never
Speaker 4: signs purposely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is like telling a victim not suppressed
Speaker 2: charges when like she has a really deep bruise on
Speaker 2: her head. I think it's and a cut, yeah, yeah, stitches,
Speaker 2: she's yeah, So now Luke is, and she's clearly traumatized.
Speaker 2: She didn't want to get her friend in trouble. You know,
Speaker 2: there's like so many layers to this, and he should
Speaker 2: be supporting the victims.
Speaker 4: Hello, yeah, hello.
Speaker 1: And also if something doesn't happen, they would have to
Speaker 1: continue to go to school together, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: This is like not a random attack, like they are
Speaker 1: in each other's lives, so you do have to like
Speaker 1: look out for her and protect her if they were
Speaker 1: to like let him off, you know. So now Luke
Speaker 1: is explaining to Huang, I've never punched anyone in my
Speaker 1: entire life. My dad told me to punch back if
Speaker 1: someone hits me first, but Pamela would never do that,
Speaker 1: and I'm stronger than her.
Speaker 4: And Wang's like, are you okay?
Speaker 1: Like you seem anxious, and he goes, I'm in a
Speaker 1: police station talking to a shrink about how I don't
Speaker 1: remember ripping my best friend's clothes off and slugging her
Speaker 1: and then a cough.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm a little stressed.
Speaker 2: Out and I like that, which I like that It's
Speaker 2: like he's not thank you, y on edge like, and
Speaker 2: he's like, well, have you been feeling stressed lately?
Speaker 1: And Luke's like not really. He's like, how are you
Speaker 1: doing at school? He goes, I have a three point
Speaker 1: eight gpa? How do you do that with baseball?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: I stay up late all night if I have to.
Speaker 1: That's not really, that's not.
Speaker 2: Good, seems need to sleep, yes, And how do you
Speaker 2: do you have a lot of energy?
Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, I have a lot of energy. And
Speaker 1: then do you ever have bad days? Sometimes I'll have
Speaker 1: a bad day. I wake up feeling really down. I
Speaker 1: can barely get out of bed. And then he's like,
Speaker 1: why are you trying to confuse me? And he's like,
Speaker 1: everything's great, school, baseball. I have no idea why I
Speaker 1: did this. And then Huang is telling Kragan that this
Speaker 1: would not just be called caused by stress, and his
Speaker 1: father agreed to let them do a drug test. Huang
Speaker 1: thinks he could be bipolar. He's seventeen years old. That's
Speaker 1: when some of these symptoms start to arise. I think
Speaker 1: it's like the seventeen to twenty two range. The attack
Speaker 1: could have been rage brought on by a manick state
Speaker 1: and if he is bipolar though, Huang's like he needs meds,
Speaker 1: And Craigan tells Benson to check out Luke's history and
Speaker 1: see if there's any other incidents like this, like with
Speaker 1: his pet, like in his past, and then let's start
Speaker 1: with Pamela. So now Benson's having an outside chat with Pamela.
Speaker 1: It's a sunny day. She has little butterfly stitches on
Speaker 1: her head, Pamela, and she's like, I've never even seen
Speaker 1: Luke get mad, even when he should, like, and Benson's like, well,
Speaker 1: when should he be getting mad? And she's like, well,
Speaker 1: like at his dad, nothing Luke does is ever good
Speaker 1: enough for him. If Luke's get If Luke gets an
Speaker 1: A on a test, his dad's like, it should have
Speaker 1: been an A plus. If he pitches a two hitter,
Speaker 1: Dad's like it should have been a no hitter. He
Speaker 1: says that after Luke had an operation, the doc said
Speaker 1: that if Luke didn't stop playing all year round, he'd
Speaker 1: never pitch again, and Luke's dad just blamed him and
Speaker 1: said it wouldn't happen if you'd worked out more, which
Speaker 1: that logic makes no sense. Then he gave Luke money
Speaker 1: to join a gym. Finn is at the gym now,
Speaker 1: talking to the owner, who has like a Southern accent.
Speaker 1: He just does not seem like a New York City
Speaker 1: gym owner to me, but he is this like very
Speaker 1: muscly man. So they obviously cast off of muscles.
Speaker 4: And he's like, yeah, work.
Speaker 1: Luke worked out here a ton until like a week ago,
Speaker 1: and he got into a fight with a member for
Speaker 1: taking too long on the bench press. Luke slugged him
Speaker 1: and he was about to go at him again, and
Speaker 1: the owner jumped in to break it up. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen him since. And then Finn's like all right, and
Speaker 1: he's about to leave, and they're like, wait, he has
Speaker 1: a locker. You guys want to take all of his shit.
Speaker 1: So we go into his locker. Finn starts clearing it out.
Speaker 1: It's regular shit, like socks, whatever, and then he comes
Speaker 1: up on this little blue pouch and inside done done
Speaker 1: deca depot.
Speaker 4: Andro Luke's on steroids and he stacking.
Speaker 1: Finn says, so this is this is a time two
Speaker 1: thousand and five when this episode's coming out where roid
Speaker 1: rage steroids are a big topic of conversation.
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a little bit more information when Munch
Speaker 1: makes a comment later. But yeah, so steroids are in
Speaker 1: that people are talking about them at this time.
Speaker 2: I just remember like the Mark McGuire, Sammy's so sad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, run of it all, Jose Conseco, right, like there's
Speaker 1: been a lot.
Speaker 2: That's who I think about and when I think about steroids.
Speaker 1: And there was a there was something I read that
Speaker 1: was like some player that got caught for steroids was
Speaker 1: like said that in baseball, like eighty percent of they
Speaker 1: think eighty percent of the guys are on steroids, like
Speaker 1: at least at the time of this big the time
Speaker 1: of this episode. So I don't know if I don't
Speaker 1: know if there's like new regulations on it now where
Speaker 1: they test them or whatever, but.
Speaker 4: Or they just call it something else. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well because remember when like Lance Armstrong got caught
Speaker 1: for doping and he's like, it's not what you think,
Speaker 1: it's something different, like but there's I don't know. I
Speaker 1: will get into a little bit of this a little
Speaker 1: in a second.
Speaker 2: But god, because I am not I didn't at all.
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, no, it's okay.
Speaker 1: So Finn asks this little meatball man are you running
Speaker 1: a juice bar, which I love that because, like people
Speaker 1: do call steroids juice, So that's fun.
Speaker 4: It's that's a funny little that's a funny little line.
Speaker 4: And he goes. The guy goes, that.
Speaker 1: Stuff will give you pimples and shrink your balls. I
Speaker 1: don't know where it came from, but I'll cooperate. If
Speaker 1: someone's in here selling it, I want to bust them.
Speaker 1: Finn goes, you'll let us put an undercover in here,
Speaker 1: straight to Craigan walking with Benson and Finn going, yeah,
Speaker 1: I talked to Narcotics about getting the undercover request.
Speaker 4: They laughed in my face.
Speaker 1: They're like, why not. They're like, it's not a priority. Like, meanwhile,
Speaker 1: we're doing like I don't know, we haven't done it yet,
Speaker 1: so I can't really talk about the next episode. But like, meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the war on drugs is still raging in the U,
Speaker 1: and we're like they're not, like the cops are not, like,
Speaker 1: you know, prioritizing steroid use. Like people on roids aren't
Speaker 1: robbing and killing people for steroid money is like what
Speaker 1: they say in that episode. But they're punching people out.
Speaker 1: Apparently they're assaulting people. Yeah, so could Luke have been
Speaker 1: in a roid rage when he attacked Pamela, Craigan asks Hwang,
Speaker 1: and Huang's like, totally. The symptoms are basically the same
Speaker 1: as bipolar, but his rage was caused by too much testosterone.
Speaker 1: Steroid use shuts down the natural production of testosterone, so
Speaker 1: then if you stop taking them, you get really depressed
Speaker 1: until your hormones start flowing again. And Huang said, you know,
Speaker 1: he saw a roid rage rip a door off its
Speaker 1: hinges and it took two gunshot blasts to stop him.
Speaker 4: So fuck So Luke.
Speaker 1: Basically made a play to impress his dad and bulk
Speaker 1: up fast. And Craigan points out, yeah, plus his role models,
Speaker 1: most of the guys and the majors use this stuff, right,
Speaker 1: and Congress then Munch chimes in and goes yeah, and
Speaker 1: Congress lets kids buy it over the counter. A certain
Speaker 1: senator made a backroom deal to keep dhea on the market.
Speaker 1: So who he's talking about is Republican Senator or in
Speaker 1: Hatch from Utah, who which Utah, among other grifts, is
Speaker 1: famous for being a supplement state. Like a lot of
Speaker 1: supplements are flowing through Utah, you know, like as the
Speaker 1: same Yeah, like there it's the MLM state. It's the
Speaker 1: state of.
Speaker 2: Grifting, like cults, influencer families, like any way you can
Speaker 2: like make money based on like lies.
Speaker 4: I guess they're doing it in Utah.
Speaker 1: So because the supplement industry is truly the wild West
Speaker 1: and unregulated and people are really really sucked into it
Speaker 1: in a way, and it makes I think trillions of
Speaker 1: dollars every year.
Speaker 4: So that's an upsetting.
Speaker 1: So Orrin Hatch argued when they were making it like
Speaker 1: a steroid bill, that Dhea should be kept legal and
Speaker 1: available as an anti aging pill.
Speaker 4: And that's DHA is like a certain kind.
Speaker 1: Of steroid steroid medication, I guess, and he or not
Speaker 1: medication supplement. And he threatened to kill this huge piece
Speaker 1: of legislation that was going to restrict the sale of steroids,
Speaker 1: educating children about the dangers steroids and increasing penalties for
Speaker 1: illegal use if they did not all agree to him
Speaker 1: to make this exception for DHA.
Speaker 4: So he made it happen.
Speaker 1: And you know what's the fun coincidence or in Hatch's
Speaker 1: son is a lobbyist for the supplement business. So fully,
Speaker 1: like like Trump, in his family, people are making money
Speaker 1: from all of this shit and from his politics, like,
Speaker 1: this country needs harder rules on what lawmakers can be
Speaker 1: attached to financially.
Speaker 4: It's really crazy.
Speaker 1: But apparently a Democrat from Iowa also joined or in
Speaker 1: hatch on this, but he was the main one that
Speaker 1: was like, we need to make this supplement. So that's
Speaker 1: who the episode is referring to but not naming, And
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's on purpose because they didn't want
Speaker 1: to get sued or something. Yeah, Sohog tells them, with
Speaker 1: no previous history of violence, it's likely that the steroids
Speaker 1: made this kid do it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So Benson shows up at Stabler's house because Stabler has
Speaker 1: been sent home, right, So he's at his empty house
Speaker 1: without his kids and his wife just sad, and Benson
Speaker 1: shows up and he's like, I don't want to talk
Speaker 1: about this or whatever, and she's like, I'm just here
Speaker 1: to tell you that you are right. He's been juicing
Speaker 1: for six months because of all the pressure his dad
Speaker 1: is putting on him, and well does the dad know
Speaker 1: about the drugs And they're like, well, Luke begged him
Speaker 1: not to tell, and Stabler are like, oh, he's got
Speaker 1: to know, and Benson's like, don't do that, which You're
Speaker 1: immediately like he's going to do it right, And the
Speaker 1: arraignment is tomorrow. So at arraignment, they're reading the charges
Speaker 1: out against Luke assault in the third degree, in possession
Speaker 1: of a controlled substance in the third degree, and.
Speaker 4: His dad yells out, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: My kid's not on drugs, and the judge is like,
Speaker 2: shut the fuck up, and then you should know this,
Speaker 2: you're a cop, right, And then Luke pleads not guilty,
Speaker 2: and Novak explains the attack to the judge and the
Speaker 2: discovery of the steroids.
Speaker 1: It's weird that people are like, didn't think the dad
Speaker 1: was going to be in court and hear all this,
Speaker 1: Like he's this is all going to be public record
Speaker 1: if he's getting arraigned, right, So they request ro r
Speaker 1: Novak agrees to release him into the custody of his dad.
Speaker 1: The judge releases him, the dad looks furious, he's fuming.
Speaker 1: He grabs Luke and walks out of the courtroom. Stabler
Speaker 1: follows them to a hallway. We hear the dad's voice yelling,
Speaker 1: you can't be a man without drugs, and then this
Speaker 1: little like dorky lawyer comes out of the bathroom and
Speaker 1: he goes the guy's beating up some kid, and so
Speaker 1: Stabler goes get help, and he goes into the bathroom.
Speaker 1: So Sabler goes in. Pete's yelling at Luke, going, you're
Speaker 1: a failure. You can't be a man without drugs. Now
Speaker 1: the whole world has to hear it, hear about it.
Speaker 1: Sabler keeps trying to stop him from pounding on his
Speaker 1: own kid, and then the guy punches Stabler so hard
Speaker 1: in the face and its yeah, throws him back into
Speaker 1: the bathroom mirror, shattering the mirror, and he's like, you've
Speaker 1: done enough, and then he starts he starts laying into
Speaker 1: Luke again.
Speaker 4: You stupid, stinking, sorry piece of crap.
Speaker 1: You're a screw up, a failure, he says, and he
Speaker 1: slaps his own son over and over.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I'm so sack. It's so sad. He's
Speaker 4: like going at him.
Speaker 1: And then it's like, dude, he has a three point
Speaker 1: eight and he might be playing Major League baseball, like
Speaker 1: you're a cop.
Speaker 4: I just want to like point out.
Speaker 1: Like if we're talking about like who's doing better, he's
Speaker 1: he's doing good. But whatever, Stabler feels the same. He
Speaker 1: punches Pete and says, who is the failure? You son
Speaker 1: of a bitch. He punches him a lot until Pete
Speaker 1: is finally like subdued and he's really Stabler's it's Stabler
Speaker 1: rage like he's going at him and he's like, you
Speaker 1: want some damage, I'll show you some damage, and he's
Speaker 1: punching him. When the cops come in, they pull Stabler
Speaker 1: off of him, like stand down, and they pull him
Speaker 1: away and he's like, I'm the cop, and then the
Speaker 1: lawyer guy.
Speaker 4: Comes in the little bathroom.
Speaker 1: Lawyer comes in and goes, it wasn't him, it was
Speaker 1: the guy on the floor that was hitting the kid,
Speaker 1: and then Stabler makes eye contact with Luke Benson comes in.
Speaker 1: He goes, leave me alone, and when she asks what happened,
Speaker 1: he goes, I don't know. And so the next thing
Speaker 1: we see are Stabler's bloody knuckles knocking on a door.
Speaker 1: The door opens and it's friend of the Pod Mary
Speaker 1: Stuart Masterson aka doctor Rebecca Hendrix, who the Squad last
Speaker 1: worked with in the episode Identity about the identical twins
Speaker 1: where one of them was forcibly transitioned into a girl
Speaker 1: and they murder their therapy. She invites him in, and
Speaker 1: then that's the commercial break. So now top of act two.
Speaker 1: And by the way, this episode's a little bit weird
Speaker 1: because this entire second act is him in her apartment,
Speaker 1: and that's like not usually the show moves around a lot,
Speaker 1: you know, it's definitely a little bit more of a
Speaker 1: dramatic let's get inside Stabler's head. It's season seven, let's
Speaker 1: get let's get behind the got behind this man. So
Speaker 1: he tells her that he just beat the hell out
Speaker 1: of a guy who was hitting his son, and Hendrix
Speaker 1: is like, can you remember anything else? And he's like,
Speaker 1: I remember looking in the mirror and she's like, what
Speaker 1: did you see? He's like, what difference does that make?
Speaker 1: He's being very antagonistic for someone that just like randomly
Speaker 1: knocked on a therapist's store. He sits down and he's
Speaker 1: like holding his head in his hand, going what's wrong
Speaker 1: with me? What's wrong with me? Like over and over,
Speaker 1: and he's like, I came to you because I didn't
Speaker 1: nowhere else to go. My captain sent me home, my
Speaker 1: wife left me, she took the kids. She was tired
Speaker 1: of me being angry all the time. And now he's
Speaker 1: like laughing like he's like he's laughing talking about how
Speaker 1: Kathy was tired of him being angry all the time.
Speaker 1: And then she's like, okay, well what happened and he goes, well,
Speaker 1: we went to a priest for counseling, but then she
Speaker 1: wanted out, like he's very much talking about it, like
Speaker 1: it was all Kathy's decision and he had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with it. He goes, I did everything I was
Speaker 1: supposed to do. I work hard, I got a good job,
Speaker 1: I never cheated. Congratulations, And he's like, and now I've
Speaker 1: lost my kids. It wasn't supposed to happen this way,
Speaker 1: and you know we know better because we have twelve
Speaker 1: seasons of this man's behavior. But she goes, well, did
Speaker 1: what happen today make you feel better? And he's like,
Speaker 1: are you judging me? Don't work me like a purp,
Speaker 1: and Stabler is like he's clearly like in pain, but
Speaker 1: he like cannot communicate him to this woman because literally
Speaker 1: he has not had any therapy or anyone even probably
Speaker 1: talked to him in a nice way his whole life,
Speaker 1: except maybe Kathy. And he's like, coming here was a
Speaker 1: mistake and he goes to leave. He like walks out
Speaker 1: the front door, and then she goes, let me ask
Speaker 1: you something. How many times have you thought about eating
Speaker 1: your gun? He looks at her so shocked that she
Speaker 1: would even ask that. He's like, suicide's a sin like
Speaker 1: and she goes, so is divorce And he's like fair enough.
Speaker 1: And he comes back into the apartment and he sits down,
Speaker 1: and she's like, how long have you been at SVU?
Speaker 1: And he goes, twelve years. She goes, the average tour
Speaker 1: is two. So I'm wondering if maybe that's why we
Speaker 1: only got Cat for a couple of years. We only
Speaker 1: got some of these other people.
Speaker 4: For a couple of years. You think they're being realistic
Speaker 4: to the I.
Speaker 1: Mean it's also casting, but I know, but it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: we haven't kept anybody for a long time since Rollins,
Speaker 1: you know, like besides the originals. Oh no, caresy Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Coreasy changed careers. He did a different he went
Speaker 1: a different way, Like he doesn't actually have to like
Speaker 1: necessarily be at crime scenes as much, even though he's
Speaker 1: showing up, he's doing pull ups. Okay, so what do
Speaker 1: you love about the job, She asks him, and he goes,
Speaker 1: Justice for the victims getting the pervs off the street.
Speaker 1: I'm not burned out. And then she goes, well, were
Speaker 1: you burned out on your marriage? And he goes, I
Speaker 1: told you she bailed, and he goes, you want to
Speaker 1: cut me loose?
Speaker 4: Give me a clue.
Speaker 1: It's like she showed up at the precinct on your
Speaker 1: birthday with the kids to be like, hey, I guess
Speaker 1: we have to come here to celebrate your birthday because
Speaker 1: you're such a psychopath.
Speaker 2: Like there are clues, dude, you're a detective. You didn't
Speaker 2: see the clues.
Speaker 1: And then she goes, did your captain give you a
Speaker 1: clue before he cut you loose? And he goes yeah,
Speaker 1: like about a million, but I always blow it. I
Speaker 1: don't like being ordered around and she goes, then why
Speaker 1: did you become a cop? Like she's actually asking a
Speaker 1: lot of good questions. Yeah, and he goes, well, my
Speaker 1: father was on the job and she goes, well, he
Speaker 1: must be proud, and he goes he's dead and she goes,
Speaker 1: well did he want you to do this?
Speaker 4: And Stable doesn't really answer.
Speaker 1: He goes, Kathy was pregnant, I needed the money, and
Speaker 1: was it what you wanted? And he goes, yeah, to
Speaker 1: be a cop all my life. And then she goes
Speaker 1: to them, why wasn't your dad proud? He goes, I
Speaker 1: never said that. Don't put words my mouth, and then
Speaker 1: he talks about how his dad liked the job until
Speaker 1: it forced him to rat his friends out in the
Speaker 1: NAP Commission. And I can't find the nare but we
Speaker 1: talked about the NAP Commission. I'm almost positive, but I
Speaker 1: can't find where the NAP Commission was formed. After Surproco
Speaker 1: not Terry Cerproco, the actor, I think his name is
Speaker 1: Frank Curproco. He's the guy that the movie's based on,
Speaker 1: and he was this famous whistleblower from the NYPD who
Speaker 1: blew the whistle on corruption and then they formed the
Speaker 1: NAP Commission in the early seventies to like weed out
Speaker 1: corruption at the NYPD. So ultimately it's a good thing.
Speaker 1: It's it's like he's obviously kind of parroting his dad's
Speaker 1: talking points, like yeah, and the whole is all this
Speaker 1: shit about you're a rat. Like it's also the way
Speaker 1: the show treats iab like, we're not supposed to be
Speaker 1: finding cops doing bad things.
Speaker 4: Why are they the bad guys? You know? So because
Speaker 4: they bullied our boys.
Speaker 1: Yeah at this point, you know, obviously later I think
Speaker 1: later Tucker gets more respect. But yeah, so the dad
Speaker 1: is part of the whole Curcuco takedown. And we've covered
Speaker 1: like cops that were from that time frame, like the
Speaker 1: eighties also that were just like doing really really shady shit,
Speaker 1: keeping drugs from drug deals and reselling them and et cetera.
Speaker 1: So she's like, oh, so your dad was a snitch
Speaker 1: and he's like, my father was no rat. He never testified,
Speaker 1: and she goes, I'm surprised he had a choice, and
Speaker 1: Stabler goes, he didn't. They fired him and he lost
Speaker 1: his pension, and you can imagine he acted like that
Speaker 1: was the end of the world. And Stabler's like, but
Speaker 1: I'm not him. Why all these questions. It's like, you
Speaker 1: came to a therapist. I don't know what you thought
Speaker 1: was going to happen. She was going to inject you
Speaker 1: with like a magic serum that makes you okay, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you thought was going to happen
Speaker 1: at a therapist's office, and he's testing my patience. I
Speaker 1: wrote I wrote, show up at a shrink's house having
Speaker 1: a fucking breakdown, and then you are like, why so
Speaker 1: many questions?
Speaker 4: Did you think she was going to give you a
Speaker 4: back rub? Like, it's really.
Speaker 1: Strange how he doesn't understand how therapy works in any way.
Speaker 1: She's like, I have to know you to help you.
Speaker 1: And good fucking life, ma'am. Like, I feel like nobody.
Speaker 1: This man does not let people in. So he sits
Speaker 1: back down. She asks about the relationship with the dad.
Speaker 1: What you guys used to do together. He's like, watch TV, playball,
Speaker 1: go fishing. She's like, and well, he worked from four
Speaker 1: to twelve, so we didn't spend a lot of time together,
Speaker 1: which you could imagine. That's no time because you get
Speaker 1: home at four am, you go to sleep, and your
Speaker 1: kids go to school. You know you're never seeing them.
Speaker 1: So she goes, he never helped you with your homework.
Speaker 1: He goes, one time he did. In fifth grade, we
Speaker 1: had to make a diorama about the Civil War. He
Speaker 1: told me where to put the cannons the soldiers. Man,
Speaker 1: I never forgot it. He's getting wistful. He loves this, Okay,
Speaker 1: he is, but it's so it's straight. It's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the one Civil war diorama is like the one nice
Speaker 1: member he has of this man and then he goes.
Speaker 4: She goes, did you get a good grade?
Speaker 1: She's like the best therapist of all times, she's reading minds,
Speaker 1: did you get a good grade? He goes, what difference
Speaker 1: does that make? He's getting mad again. She goes, it's
Speaker 1: just a question. He's like, what do you want from me?
Speaker 1: And she goes the truth, start talking, start really talking,
Speaker 1: and he goes and she goes, what grade did you get?
Speaker 1: All the diorama in fifth grade? As if anyone could
Speaker 1: really remember, because I wouldn't remember that.
Speaker 4: I did dozens of dioramas in school.
Speaker 1: I don't remember what grades I got on them, but
Speaker 1: I knew I usually got an A because my dad
Speaker 1: would do like the whole thing for me in a
Speaker 1: way that really annoyed me, but really well, like one
Speaker 1: time I really didn't want him to do the whole
Speaker 1: thing for me, and then I fully blacked out, like
Speaker 1: trying to make a diorama of the SERENGETI, I just
Speaker 1: didn't know what to do. So I just got like
Speaker 1: a box and I put a bunch of dirt in it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm going to fail. And then
Speaker 1: so I asked for a one day extension, and my
Speaker 1: dad was like, we got this and like went to
Speaker 1: like a full, made a full like Diorama, got all
Speaker 1: this shit like that. He's good at that stuff and
Speaker 1: did all that, and then anytime I asked him for
Speaker 1: help on a project ever again, he just kind of
Speaker 1: took over, which I sometimes liked and sometimes was like,
Speaker 1: let me do something, you know. But I always did
Speaker 1: get good grades because he did like the whole thing.
Speaker 4: Damn secrets revealed, Yeah, secrets aveil.
Speaker 1: But one time in sixth grade, I made a track
Speaker 1: for worm races, and I went out and spent like
Speaker 1: twenty dollars of my own money to buy the cassette
Speaker 1: of Chariots a Fire to buy the Chariots of Fire
Speaker 1: song so that the worms could race to Chariots a Fire.
Speaker 1: And everyone in my class thought it was the funniest
Speaker 1: thing ever, and I was really proud of myself.
Speaker 4: That's a diarym I did on my own.
Speaker 1: That's something I did on my own.
Speaker 4: I made a worm race track. So anyway, she asked
Speaker 4: about the grade.
Speaker 1: Again, and he goes, I got I got an f okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't hand it in, And he's fighting back tears.
Speaker 1: He goes I moved one of the trees. My father
Speaker 1: saw it as I was leaving for school, took it
Speaker 1: out of my hands, threw it on the floor and
Speaker 1: stomped on it. Sounds like a great guy. If you're
Speaker 1: interested in more Stabler dad lore, they get into it
Speaker 1: more in oc if you're interest if that's like something
Speaker 1: that is interesting to you, like the Stabler character. They
Speaker 1: get into a lot of his family dynamics in organized crime,
Speaker 1: like at one point he has to go back and
Speaker 1: investigate an old case his dad worked like this and that.
Speaker 1: But and apparently they've introduced his brothers on the show,
Speaker 1: one being Dean Norris from Breaking Bad but I and
Speaker 1: the other one being married the guy who's in real
Speaker 1: life married to Jamie gray Hyder. But I have not
Speaker 1: gotten to those episodes yet. So anyway, she goes, that
Speaker 1: must have hurt and she and then he goes, well,
Speaker 1: he took his belt off and beat me with it
Speaker 1: because I cried, and so it's like, wow, cry the
Speaker 1: destruction of the diorama was the nicest thing this man
Speaker 1: did to Stabler, Like he literally made him cry and
Speaker 1: then beat him. And he said, because only pansies cry,
Speaker 1: and Stabler is bawling. Okay, I don't remember this part
Speaker 1: of this episode, like I remember this steroid episode, but
Speaker 1: like I don't remember this opening up of Stabler and
Speaker 1: the dad. He goes, my dad said I was weak.
Speaker 1: He called me a failure all the time. So what
Speaker 1: did you see in the mirror today, she asked, and Stabler,
Speaker 1: like face covered in tears, said I saw the guy
Speaker 1: my father always saw. And she goes, you're not. You're
Speaker 1: so busy being strong and helping everyone, You've got nothing
Speaker 1: left for yourself. She goes, It takes a lot more
Speaker 1: balls to talk about your problems than to beat the
Speaker 1: hell out of a ghost.
Speaker 4: Put it on a T shirt, beat the hell out of.
Speaker 1: A put that on every single toxic masculinity podcast that exists.
Speaker 1: You know, like, you can go ahead trying to prove
Speaker 1: what a big man you are, or you can just
Speaker 1: fucking talk about your problems and work through your trauma.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So, I think what's so wild about this episode is
Speaker 1: it's the most dramatic episode we've ever seen from Christopher Maloney.
Speaker 1: And this episode is right after It's the episode directly
Speaker 1: after nine to one one, which is the episode where
Speaker 1: Marishka won the Emmy. He is nominated in two thousand
Speaker 1: and six for playing Elliott Stabler, but he now here's
Speaker 1: what I was looking up.
Speaker 4: Hold on, give me one such episode. It was that
Speaker 4: they submitted yes, because Ford week this for her.
Speaker 1: We know it's nine to one one, but I don't
Speaker 1: know why on the on the Wikipedia, it doesn't show
Speaker 1: you what episodes they're nominated for. Yeah, she was nominated
Speaker 1: in four, five, one, and O six, was nominated in seven, eight, nine, ten,
Speaker 1: and eleven. He was only nominated in O six and
Speaker 1: he lost to Key for Sutherland for twenty four.
Speaker 4: So I just wonder.
Speaker 1: And what's also interesting is that, like two thousand and
Speaker 1: five is around when I was working at the USA
Speaker 1: Network and I would get all this like free crap
Speaker 1: at work. And that's why I have a get a
Speaker 1: Clue vote SVU magnet on my fridge, which I will
Speaker 1: take a picture of and post on our stories. But like,
Speaker 1: I have that magnet because that was the year they
Speaker 1: were like really pushing for SVU to win, to get nominated,
Speaker 1: and you know, like cause really whenever anyone's nominated for
Speaker 1: these things, we all know it's like it's a campaign
Speaker 1: from the network. It's not like the nominating committee is
Speaker 1: going through and actually being like, what a wonderful performance?
Speaker 1: Has anyone else seen this? It's like the network's throwing
Speaker 1: money behind it. So it's interesting. I wonder if if
Speaker 1: Maloney is like bitter that she was nominated so many
Speaker 1: seasons and he wasn't, and the one that he did,
Speaker 1: he did do this crying episode right, like you know,
Speaker 1: they were giving them a lot of juice in season
Speaker 1: seven trying to get those awards. But yeah, he hasn't
Speaker 1: won like any awards. She won a Golden Globe. Also,
Speaker 1: he hasn't won anything, which awards are bullshit. He's still
Speaker 1: he's a great actor. But I just think it's like
Speaker 1: interesting how I feel like people just really related to
Speaker 1: her character and he is kind of just playing a
Speaker 1: guy we've seen before. She's a little bit more of
Speaker 1: an interesting character. He's like a cop who doesn't talk
Speaker 1: about his feelings. We've seen it, you know, so but
Speaker 1: here we got a lot of feelings. So this scene
Speaker 1: just ends with that amazing quote about the ghost. And
Speaker 1: now we're at the Breslan residence in Riverdale, which is
Speaker 1: you know, a section of the Bronx, and Stabler is
Speaker 1: walking up to the front door when he notices a
Speaker 1: bullet hole in a window, so he draws his weapon.
Speaker 1: Music gets ominous. He enters the home. He immediately finds
Speaker 1: Pete the dad, lying bloody on the floor. He shakes
Speaker 1: him he's and he's still alive, and Stabler calls it
Speaker 1: in and then we're fade to commercial.
Speaker 4: All right, So Stabler's in the ambulance on.
Speaker 1: His way to the hospital with Pete, and Pete mumbles,
Speaker 1: I can't even get that right, and Stabler's like, get
Speaker 1: what right? And he goes blowing my brains out. Sabler says, well,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you didn't, and he goes, Luke's a great kid.
Speaker 1: It's all my fault. And then he starts flatlining and
Speaker 1: the guy go the EMT's like he's in cardiac arrest,
Speaker 1: but he gets him back online really quickly, like he's
Speaker 1: immediately back online, and he goes, I.
Speaker 4: Feel like my chest is about to explode.
Speaker 1: The EMT goes, well, his pulse is racing and I
Speaker 1: don't really know why. I've never seen this before, and
Speaker 1: Stabler's like, stay with me. And so at the hospital
Speaker 1: we've got doctor Kyle Beresford, or as I like to
Speaker 1: call him surfer doc, the you know, the Cali bro
Speaker 1: who's a dock at a New york Er And he
Speaker 1: tells Stabler the bullet lodged and his skull never hit
Speaker 1: his brain, so it's like a miracle. He'll survive the
Speaker 1: gunshot wound. But his heart is another story. He had
Speaker 1: a reaction to the epinephrin that the medics gave him,
Speaker 1: and that means there must have been something else in
Speaker 1: his system, which the guy goes, my guess is steroids,
Speaker 1: and what the fuck? Like that is a twist?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: So he goes the bloodwork show testosterone was elevated, so
Speaker 1: Craigan walks in. Stabler's about to explain himself, but Daddy
Speaker 1: Craigan stops him and goes, I got a call from
Speaker 1: the bathroom lawyer. He said, how you stopped Pete from
Speaker 1: killing Luke? And you know, good work. And Stabler's like,
Speaker 1: you were right to send me home over the handling
Speaker 1: of this Luke situation. I was out of control, but like,
Speaker 1: I want you to know I'm dealing with it. So
Speaker 1: he goes, well, if you have trouble dealing with it,
Speaker 1: you come to my office or you called me and
Speaker 1: Stabler nods and he's like, let me wait for Pete
Speaker 1: to wake up, and then he tells Craigan about the steroids.
Speaker 1: Munch and Finn are at the Breslen house. We'll have
Speaker 1: him check for the drugs. So in Pete's hospital room,
Speaker 1: Sablor walks in. Pete goes, well, you want to kiss
Speaker 1: for saving my life? You can forget about it, and
Speaker 1: Stable goes, I'll settle for a hug.
Speaker 4: Now they're best friends again.
Speaker 1: We've forgotten that this man was brutally beating his son
Speaker 1: and he also takes steroids, and he was screaming at
Speaker 1: him for doing something that he himself does and he asks,
Speaker 1: he asks, how long have you been taking steroids? And
Speaker 1: Pete's like, well, remember that highway cop last year on
Speaker 1: Saten Island. The purp took his gun and shot him.
Speaker 1: And he goes, that was my partner after you, he
Speaker 1: got soft and got himself killed.
Speaker 4: I wasn't going to let that happen. Ah, yeah, yi,
Speaker 4: And then.
Speaker 1: Stabler goes taking roids to keep your edge on the
Speaker 1: street and he's like, are you gonna tell my CEO?
Speaker 1: And it's like, but dude, are you a cop or not?
Speaker 1: Like they fully obviously have gone to your house. They
Speaker 1: found your stash. There's no way to keep that quiet.
Speaker 1: Stable tells him that, and he goes, well, it was
Speaker 1: bound to happen after our fight. I knew I was
Speaker 1: going to get fired and lose my pension. That's why
Speaker 1: I tried to take my own life. And Stabler goes,
Speaker 1: don't lie to me. Where the powder burns on the
Speaker 1: side of your head? Where's Luke? And he goes, he's
Speaker 1: my son, and Benson walks in to pull Stabler out.
Speaker 1: So we are to believe that this man was shot
Speaker 1: in the head non fatally, somehow was able to stage
Speaker 1: it as a suicide. Was there a gun by him?
Speaker 1: Wasn't there a gun by him? But then also when
Speaker 1: he wakes up in the ambulance, he's got a story.
Speaker 1: He's ready to go, oh that's why I fucked. I
Speaker 1: mess this up to my suicide attempt, you know, like yeh,
Speaker 1: it's just like okay, all right, but okay. So outside
Speaker 1: the hospital room, Benson tells Stabler, we found Luke's print
Speaker 1: on the trigger of the gun. So Craigan told her
Speaker 1: to go get Stabler before they pick up Luke because
Speaker 1: he might be armed or roided out, and his father's
Speaker 1: duty weapon is missing, and Luke and Pamela are also
Speaker 1: both absent from.
Speaker 4: School, so this is not good. And it's in a
Speaker 4: Stabler pull up to.
Speaker 1: This house and it's Pamela's house, but we find that
Speaker 1: out later, and there are tons of uniform cops outside.
Speaker 1: They got a call about someone inside with a gun. Okay,
Speaker 1: so they knock on the door, no one answers, they
Speaker 1: go in. They go upstairs slowly, you know, it's very tense.
Speaker 1: A bedroom door is open. We see Pamela sitting on
Speaker 1: the bed looking terrified, looking in a direction off the
Speaker 1: off camera that we can't see.
Speaker 4: We're Pamela, she's at a rough couple days.
Speaker 1: I know, I know her bestie is rooted out and
Speaker 1: she didn't know, so we can't see him, but we
Speaker 1: can tell it's Luke right, he's in the room. She
Speaker 1: confirms to Benson with kind of like a nod and
Speaker 1: a look that he has a gun. And then he
Speaker 1: goes who's out there, and Stabler identifies himself. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm coming in unarmed, and Luke is just like slumped
Speaker 1: against the wall of Pamela's room with a gun. Points
Speaker 1: it at his chest, so he just says, leave me alone,
Speaker 1: and Pamela's like, please, don't do this, Luke. And then
Speaker 1: Benson Grahams grabs Pamela out of the room and is like,
Speaker 1: come with me. Let's let the boys talk. And then
Speaker 1: Luke is like, I'm sick of talking, and Stabler's like,
Speaker 1: that's cool. I actually just came here to apologize for
Speaker 1: what I did, your dad, And Luke's like.
Speaker 4: Not as bad as what I did, and Stabler's like,
Speaker 4: what did you do?
Speaker 1: And he goes well, after court, I went to my
Speaker 1: aunt's house, but I wanted to talk to my dad,
Speaker 1: so I went home and then he just laid into
Speaker 1: me about the steroids again, and I said, you can't
Speaker 1: stop making me take them if you're taking them yourself.
Speaker 1: It's it's giving. I learned it from watching you dad.
Speaker 1: Do you know those Yeah? Those old no, but it's
Speaker 1: obviously that. Yeah, there were these old commercials about drugs
Speaker 1: that were like, what did you learn about this stuff?
Speaker 1: And it's like I learned it from watching you Dad.
Speaker 1: It was this dramatic thing that we used to say
Speaker 1: it like on the playground all the time. It was like,
Speaker 1: you know it was from that This is your brain
Speaker 1: on drugs era of like PSAs about drugs.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: For me, it's the flattened out pancake stoner that I
Speaker 2: have become. I don't know if I've seen that one,
Speaker 2: But you didn't see flat pancake girl who didn't pick
Speaker 2: up her sister from soccer practice, way like laying on
Speaker 2: the couch. Google Like, okay, let me try flat flalat
Speaker 2: pancake girl and mine s Ai Jesus Christ still won't
Speaker 2: stop there she is.
Speaker 4: Oh do you see her? Yes?
Speaker 3: You know why?
Speaker 1: It's because yours came out in like it says, this
Speaker 1: one came out in like the two thousands.
Speaker 2: Well, because I remember the egg, I remember the Rachel
Speaker 2: Lee Cook but I defin Oh my god, there's a
Speaker 2: shirt deflated girl from anti weed PSA.
Speaker 4: Of course you can't buy it. You can't buy it.
Speaker 1: No, No, that makes sense. Flat girl is like more
Speaker 1: would have hit you as a youth, whereas I learned
Speaker 1: it from watching you.
Speaker 4: Dad is more my time. Yeah, but I like that.
Speaker 2: Dad. So he tells Stabler that the juice he was
Speaker 2: taking he stole from his dad.
Speaker 1: Dude, you're like an idiot cop that takes steroids. You
Speaker 1: can't hide it well enough from your fucking son. But
Speaker 1: then you also let your roid rage scream at your
Speaker 1: son all the time for not being good enough, even
Speaker 1: though he is good enough. It's very confusing because are
Speaker 1: you always mad when you're roid raging it? Or I
Speaker 1: mean when you're taking Yes, you are. You're mad about
Speaker 1: when you're taking the steroids, and then you're depressed when
Speaker 1: you get off the steroids.
Speaker 4: Okay, got it? So anyway, not good.
Speaker 1: When he told his dad that he was stealing his steroids,
Speaker 1: instead of having one fucking minute of introspection, the cop goes,
Speaker 1: get out, get out of the house, the dad and
Speaker 1: he was so mad, Luke says, So he went and
Speaker 1: grabbed his old gun and I said, Dad, look at me,
Speaker 1: look at me, And he wouldn't look at him. And
Speaker 1: the next thing he knew, another little blackout, another little
Speaker 1: rage blackout. He's lying on the floor bleeding. Can I
Speaker 1: also just say, though, why does he keep having these
Speaker 1: roid induced blackouts if he's not taken the roids in
Speaker 1: a week and a half. He says he hasn't taken them,
Speaker 1: so why are the blackouts happening with the rage? I
Speaker 1: thought that was from the elevated testosterone. I'm just confused
Speaker 1: about the I need our medical community to rise up
Speaker 1: and tell me what was happening here. Like you're either
Speaker 1: like like you're blacked out taking roids or you're depressed
Speaker 1: because you stop taking the roids, So I don't really
Speaker 1: know anyway. The next thing I know, he goes he's
Speaker 1: lying on the floor and he goes, he was right.
Speaker 1: I am a failure and Stabler goes, no, you're not.
Speaker 1: I know you're scared. You think this is the only
Speaker 1: way out, but it's not. It's the steroids. When did
Speaker 1: you last take them? And he goes over a week ago.
Speaker 1: He goes, you're going through withdrawal. That's why you're depressed.
Speaker 1: And looks like okay, fair, But I murdered my father
Speaker 1: and Sabler's like, good news, he's alive and looks like
Speaker 1: you're lying.
Speaker 4: I shot him in the head.
Speaker 1: And Stabler's like, you're good at baseball and pitching, you're
Speaker 1: terrible at shooting guns.
Speaker 4: You only grazed him.
Speaker 1: You're gonna he's gonna be okay, and looks like but
Speaker 1: there was so much blood. Sabler goes, I talked to
Speaker 1: him an hour ago. He's sorry. He says, it's all
Speaker 1: his fault. You're the only good thing in his life.
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 1: I guess the steroids drained from his system very quickly,
Speaker 1: and now he likes his son again.
Speaker 2: I'm confused. Luke, the near death experience helped him out.
Speaker 1: The adrenaline from the near death, the epinephrin maybe cleared
Speaker 1: out all the roids, and he felt like, actually, oh wait,
Speaker 1: I forgot I have like a really cute son who's
Speaker 1: good at sports and has friends in school and good
Speaker 1: at school, and I just shouldn't be beating him up.
Speaker 1: So Luke's like, I don't believe it, and Stabler goes,
Speaker 1: you can tell him yourself, as he gently takes the
Speaker 1: gun away. Stabler and Bens didn't share a look, and
Speaker 1: then we see Luke walking into the hospital room. He
Speaker 1: sees his dad lying there. He's got the square bandage
Speaker 1: on the side, not in all the way around. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: they hug. Pete says I'm sorry. He kisses the side
Speaker 1: of his son's head, and that's dick wolf baby. These
Speaker 1: two little roydsters are just gonna work it out. I
Speaker 1: guess they're just both good detox from being on steroids
Speaker 1: together and live life as normal men.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And do you think they'll reminisce and me like, hey, dad,
Speaker 2: remember when you beat the shit out of me and
Speaker 2: tried to murder me and you know I was doing
Speaker 2: just what you were doing and you beat me up.
Speaker 4: Like I like what the fuck? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy's blaming drugs, but like this dad's bad news. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the rules bet for him. He wants, you know, attempted
Speaker 2: the homicide of his child. Like I don't get it.
Speaker 2: I fucking hate his ass.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's also like he was like, you can't be
Speaker 1: a real man without drugs, and now the whole world knows,
Speaker 1: Like that would have made sense to me as a
Speaker 1: character who's like Who's like, I just don't want that's
Speaker 1: so embarrassing, Like that has some kind of embarrassment around.
Speaker 1: You're not a real man because you took drugs. You're
Speaker 1: doing that too, and you know you are. You're not
Speaker 1: blacking out that you did that. You're not forgetting details
Speaker 1: of your life that happen every day when you take
Speaker 1: steroids or I don't know how often you take them.
Speaker 4: But you know he's not a man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But on in two thousand and six. In two
Speaker 1: thousand and six, around the time that this is happening,
Speaker 1: there's the ongoing Balco scandal, which is mostly Major League
Speaker 1: Baseball MLB launched their own investigation called the Mitchell Report,
Speaker 1: where so basically SVU obviously doing things usually that are
Speaker 1: in the zeitgeist.
Speaker 4: They're talking about steroids.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that because that's what I'm saying
Speaker 1: when I talk about current seasons. If this was a
Speaker 1: current season topic of conversation, it would be a professional
Speaker 1: MLB player. But because old school SBU used to be
Speaker 1: about regular people, they make it about a high school
Speaker 1: kid playing baseball and a cop taking steroids, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know, you like that, and I like that.
Speaker 1: I like that, That's what it was about. I don't
Speaker 1: need to actually get into MLB players taking steroids.
Speaker 4: Boohoo.
Speaker 2: I mean whatever, Well, it's interesting you say that. We're
Speaker 2: actually going to talk about that a little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 2: So it's The Life and Unfortunate, you know, Taylor death
Speaker 2: of Taylor Houghton.
Speaker 4: It's uh.
Speaker 2: He was from Plaano, West Texas, which is an affluent
Speaker 2: area of North Dallas. And you know, like the show,
Speaker 2: he was popular, He was filled with excitement, was counted
Speaker 2: on by his high school baseball team to throw strikes.
Speaker 4: He was good at baseball.
Speaker 2: But it was the summer before his senior year, July fifteenth,
Speaker 2: and he did take his own life just a month
Speaker 2: past the seventeenth birthday. And his family and doctors believe
Speaker 2: that Taylor's death was related to the depression he felt
Speaker 2: when he stopped taking anabolic steroids. So you know, like
Speaker 2: in the episode, there's a sense of euphoria and then
Speaker 2: aggression that accompany the use of steroids became lethargy.
Speaker 4: It should be lethargy, right.
Speaker 1: Because it is lethartic.
Speaker 4: But I feel like lethargy. I don't know, I hate it.
Speaker 2: Whatever, Stop trying to sound smart New York Times, like
Speaker 2: use a chill word. He got sleepy, Okay, like unfortunately
Speaker 2: he be but yeah, he loss of energy, loss of confidence,
Speaker 2: melancholy and then hopelessness.
Speaker 4: Doctor Larry W.
Speaker 2: Gibbons, he's the president or was at a medical director
Speaker 2: of the Cooper Aerobic Center, and he said that this
Speaker 2: is a kid that was well liked, good friends, no
Speaker 2: serious emotional problems, bright future.
Speaker 4: And this is a paraphrase from the New York Times.
Speaker 2: His father, Dawn, said that he was showing all the symptoms,
Speaker 2: but like we didn't know any better.
Speaker 4: We should have. And that's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, if you don't know the symptoms and what
Speaker 2: you're looking out for, you don't know. But looking back,
Speaker 2: the dad said that like he had every you know,
Speaker 2: acne on his back. He was aggressive, irritable, He flew
Speaker 2: into rages. I'm like, I besides the acne, I'm like,
Speaker 2: is this me? My aunt stere its, but then tearfully apologetic.
Speaker 2: He took several hundred dollars from his parents' bank account
Speaker 2: without permission. He would pound the floor with his fists
Speaker 2: and anger. He injured a knuckle once punching a wall,
Speaker 2: and then after his death, his family learned that Taylor
Speaker 2: had hurled a phone through a wall and hid the
Speaker 2: damage behind a picture, and also pummeled his girlfriend's former boyfriend,
Speaker 2: who required stitches to close a wound.
Speaker 4: Damn.
Speaker 2: None of his friends alerted an adult, though, because even
Speaker 2: though his parents did test him for drugs, eventually it
Speaker 2: came back negative because they tested for recreational drugs, not steroids.
Speaker 2: So he was like, see, I wasn't doing anything but
Speaker 2: his behavior became alarming, and they went on a family
Speaker 2: vacation and he stole a digital camera and laptop on
Speaker 2: the trip to England, and when they came home, the
Speaker 2: family confronted him about it and he was grounded. And
Speaker 2: then the next morning, Taylor asked his mom to lift
Speaker 2: the punishment and she said no, and he went upstairs
Speaker 2: and unfortunately hung himself in his room. My god, And
Speaker 2: you know, like you were saying, we're so focused on
Speaker 2: professional athletes that we forget that only a few pros
Speaker 2: engage in this. But high school students are susceptible to
Speaker 2: all of this and all these issues. And since high
Speaker 2: school aged kids by nature are less likely to understand
Speaker 2: or be concerned with potential side effects like infertility, trophied testicles,
Speaker 2: high blood pressure, liver damage, prostate cancer, it stops bone growth.
Speaker 2: It's really wild. So as a kid, you're not thinking
Speaker 2: about this. As as an adult or parent, you're probably
Speaker 2: not really thinking about you know, you don't know about
Speaker 2: the kid's balls.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: But elite athletes also understand the side effects. They can
Speaker 2: also afford to pay for the real stuff, But kids
Speaker 2: don't have the knowledge, and they buy it from some clown.
Speaker 2: And that's said by doctor Donald A. Malone, a psychiatrist
Speaker 2: at Cleveland Clinic, who in nineteen ninety five did a
Speaker 2: study indicating an association between depression and steroid use. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just like they get it from clowns at school
Speaker 2: and parents are clueless about the signs of steroid use,
Speaker 2: and some parents even encourage it in an attempt to
Speaker 2: help promote their kids' careers, not really thinking about long
Speaker 2: term as well. And then headlines are better with superstars,
Speaker 2: but the underbelly is a serious problem, and parents are
Speaker 2: proud of their kid for bulking up and don't really
Speaker 2: and they see their kid working out, so they just
Speaker 2: put that together in their heads and so yeah, and
Speaker 2: then it's sad and a boy died and it's like
Speaker 2: a fucking bummer, I mean to be grounded for a
Speaker 2: day because you did steal a laptop and phone. And
Speaker 2: then yeah, it's so scary.
Speaker 1: I feel like I heard maybe it was Joel Kim
Speaker 1: Booster talking about this with Katya. It was on Tricks
Speaker 1: and Katya's podcast. I think it was when Joel went
Speaker 1: on and they talked about steroids and about how like
Speaker 1: so many gay men are on circuits. They were saying
Speaker 1: of steroids and because you know, there's like a pressure
Speaker 1: in sections of the gay community to be like jacked
Speaker 1: and muscleee and stuff, and yeah, it's like I can't
Speaker 1: be it's just uh, it cannot be good.
Speaker 2: No, it's sad, and I'm sorry, I don't have more information.
Speaker 2: It was a lot of like memorials and stuff and
Speaker 2: like just people liked him, but there was only one
Speaker 2: real news story, yeah to really get into Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's definitely fucking sad and it probably wouldn't have
Speaker 2: even been reported on if it wasn't that steroids were
Speaker 2: so huge in the conversation at the time, you know,
Speaker 2: like I don't think kids taking their like you know,
Speaker 2: most of the time that doesn't get reported on, you know,
Speaker 2: but it was like, wow, yeah, it says, well, the Internet,
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is true, says that the
Speaker 2: peak of the steroids era, that the steroids era is
Speaker 2: ninety four to two thousand and four. And then I
Speaker 2: think around the time of this episode is when like
Speaker 2: the reckoning starts happening, where everybody starts getting like the
Speaker 2: celebrities at least start getting busted but now it feels
Speaker 2: like it's kind of just like a common thing among
Speaker 2: people trying to get to work out and get big.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, just everyone.
Speaker 2: If you're not playing Superman in a movie, you don't
Speaker 2: need steroids.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, unless you're in the WWE.
Speaker 2: And even if you a man, yeah because like because
Speaker 2: if you're playing Superman in a movie, the studio is
Speaker 2: paying for you to have a trainer and a chef,
Speaker 2: and like there they are make they will make.
Speaker 1: Your body look how they wanted to look. You know,
Speaker 1: you just have to work with them and work hard
Speaker 1: as hell.
Speaker 4: I'm sure.
Speaker 2: But everybody trying to get swollen? Okay, yeah, everyone be
Speaker 2: careful out there. And that supplements came up too. It's
Speaker 2: like kind of.
Speaker 4: God, the supplement industry is so wild.
Speaker 1: All right, let's no guests today, so let's get right
Speaker 1: into our post mortem.
Speaker 4: Wow, I mean I forgot.
Speaker 1: I kind of forgot about steroids and they are really risky.
Speaker 2: You don't You don't think guys saw my nephew and
Speaker 2: gave him a speech. You don't think I gave him
Speaker 2: a speech last week?
Speaker 4: What did he say? Has he thought about it?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Do you don't think I was so graphic.
Speaker 2: I was. He's like, I'm not, but I want to
Speaker 2: like all this stuff, and I go, but then you'll
Speaker 2: get depressed and you could hang yourself in your room.
Speaker 2: He was like, I'm not going to do that. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: this kid didn't think that either.
Speaker 4: You don't know that. We don't know.
Speaker 2: And then I was like, and when you go to college,
Speaker 2: even if you don't do anything, if you see a
Speaker 2: girl getting assaulted at your weird frats, I go, you
Speaker 2: do something, or you're a part of the culture. He's like, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: I gave a huge speech. Yeah, someone's got to do
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he talked to me for so long.
Speaker 2: It was actually a huge week for me last week, Like, wow, yeah,
Speaker 2: you got one of them texting you, one of them
Speaker 2: talking to you. Yeah, we taught. We sat and talked
Speaker 2: for like an hour. It was so exciting in my parents' kitchen.
Speaker 2: So that was the Wow. Yeah, okay, they're coming around.
Speaker 1: It's just the it's the ups and downs of teens
Speaker 1: being too cool for school.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, no, I it's it's fucked. You can
Speaker 2: do it through excert, like because he enjoyed the work
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I just it's upsetting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's up setting, and they think everyone's on steroids,
Speaker 2: like your friend Kumel and I go, I swear I don't.
Speaker 2: I heard he didn't do it. I have sources he didn't.
Speaker 2: And my nephew does not believe it.
Speaker 4: No, because nobody can. Nobody can believe that.
Speaker 1: Like someone who was once like very small, like not
Speaker 1: not very small, but smaller, is like so big with
Speaker 1: and it's like he worked so fucking hard and had
Speaker 1: Marvel giving him a trainer and a chef, like, come on,
Speaker 1: it can happen, but then you got to maintain it,
Speaker 1: which is what he's been doing.
Speaker 2: But you know, I feel like in general, it just
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense. It's like just do But you know,
Speaker 2: I'm a door I'm a corny person. I feel like
Speaker 2: the journey is always the whole point. Like he enjoys
Speaker 2: going to the gym. I'm like, if you enjoy it,
Speaker 2: do the thing, that's the whole point. All those other
Speaker 2: things are for other people. I'm like, you like to
Speaker 2: do it, it's a right. But these guys right each other.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's true or not, because I'm
Speaker 1: not like a nutritionist or like a physiologist. But like
Speaker 1: they will tell each other, it doesn't matter how much
Speaker 1: you go to the gym, like you will hit a ceiling,
Speaker 1: like you can only get to like sure huge, like
Speaker 1: the hugeness of whatever being a bodybuilder or well then
Speaker 1: go to therapy. Yeah exactly, that's the thing. Why do
Speaker 1: you need to get that?
Speaker 2: Are you're a peak physical performance doing every that's your peak?
Speaker 2: Like I don't I mean whatever, or do steroids, shrinker balls,
Speaker 2: beat up your backnee, get back mee, beat the shit
Speaker 2: out of your friend.
Speaker 4: I don't know, don't remember anything.
Speaker 1: Like shoot your dad almost missing him and barely miss him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what do I know? What do I know?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: Do the things?
Speaker 2: I guess with adults, it's like you're doing your adult decisions.
Speaker 2: But it's like scary for kids to be doing it.
Speaker 2: That parents would encourage their kids to do it, Like
Speaker 2: all of it is just unsettling to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and for sports, but you know, not.
Speaker 2: To bring it back to heated rivalry, but like a
Speaker 2: lot of people in a positive way are going to
Speaker 2: the gym, Like people are feeling different, people are like
Speaker 2: chem I mean, also, my phone is feeding me things
Speaker 2: I want to see. But the psychologist is like, I
Speaker 2: feel the happiness of the show is really cracking something
Speaker 2: in people's brains.
Speaker 4: Everyone's doing push ups, going to the gym.
Speaker 2: I saw people being like, I'm going on dates now,
Speaker 2: Like I think people are like really into it and
Speaker 2: it's bringing my nice is going to a party like
Speaker 2: all these bar parties where it's like mixes them.
Speaker 4: I'm going to the cottage.
Speaker 2: I mean, I went to the soul cycle class, like
Speaker 2: we were all so happy to be there, like anything, Like,
Speaker 2: not only is the show such a creative thing, it
Speaker 2: feels like it's really giving something to a lot of
Speaker 2: people in different ways.
Speaker 4: But some of it is going to the gym.
Speaker 1: What I like about the guys too, is like they
Speaker 1: don't look like mass his meat head athletes when they're
Speaker 1: just in clothes, right, Like, they don't look like that
Speaker 1: when they're just walking.
Speaker 4: Around in clothes.
Speaker 1: And he's like meeting his parents to talk about Rolex
Speaker 1: or whatever, Like he just looks like a college guy, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't look like the best hockey player in a country,
Speaker 1: you know. And then he takes off his clothes and
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, I see it now, Like.
Speaker 4: There's literally like or like the tight shirt runnings.
Speaker 1: Yeah when yeah, like they they look they look really good.
Speaker 4: They look very good, very they look very healthy.
Speaker 2: Uh all right, work yeah, I don't know, just like
Speaker 2: do the sports. Yeah yeah, but I don't know. Stay
Speaker 2: away from stay away from the juice. Don't don't get
Speaker 2: don't juice it up, chick, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, look someone gave me an opal labuoboo.
Speaker 2: Oh wow. I don't know if it's opal. I've made
Speaker 2: that up, but it's something cool. It's Opa light. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's cool. That's very cute.
Speaker 4: I like it. I like that someone gave it to you,
Speaker 4: but you didn't buy it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I've been actually really good outside the CA top.
Speaker 2: I have not gone out to like a dinner.
Speaker 4: I'm the same.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to like lay low with the finances right now.
Speaker 2: I have not and I've challenged myself. I've been going
Speaker 2: I've wanted to do stuff. Yeah yeah, but I'm not
Speaker 2: I'm not interested. I'm not interested in it.
Speaker 4: Actually. Yeah that's good.
Speaker 1: I mean like I've been just sort of I actually
Speaker 1: have not had a single I'm not doing dry January
Speaker 1: or stopping drinking or anything like that. I just have
Speaker 1: drink it more today. I it's been a week since
Speaker 1: I had a drink.
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh for me, I actually just stopped fully eating
Speaker 2: and I've only been drinking.
Speaker 4: That's what I've been doing.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not going out to eat, but I
Speaker 2: guess I'll have three Vaka sodas, get blacked.
Speaker 4: Out and go home.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting that for the masses, that's not I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that that's yeah to do. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: it's the right thing to do. I'm saying we're all
Speaker 2: holding on.
Speaker 4: How we're holding on. For me, I'm starving until i
Speaker 4: can get drunk off two drinks.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about the wine that I'm going to
Speaker 1: have tonight at my show all week for a week.
Speaker 4: Yea.
Speaker 1: So trust me, I'm not like, Wow, I don't even
Speaker 1: think about it. Life just feels easier. No, I think
Speaker 1: about it all the time, and I want to have
Speaker 1: wine again. But I'm trying to I'm trying to break
Speaker 1: the association of like every time I cook a meal,
Speaker 1: I'm having a little glass of wine. Like I don't
Speaker 1: need to do that every single time, you know, because
Speaker 1: I just don't like cooking and it makes it feel
Speaker 1: more fun and I need to just suck it up
Speaker 1: and make a quick dinner and not you know, have
Speaker 1: to have wine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we could each have our different goals and that's
Speaker 2: what's really great.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah for me, Yeah, yeah, I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: chill a little bit. But I'm not off. I like
Speaker 1: it all right, let's get into what would Sister Peg do?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: This is our weekly segment where we try to give
Speaker 1: you some more information about what we talked about in
Speaker 1: the episode, whether it's a documentary or a blog or Oh,
Speaker 1: I mean to interrupt myself. This is usually the point
Speaker 1: where you interrupt me is right when I'm about to
Speaker 1: get into sister Peg. But Nancy Schwartzman messaged me and
Speaker 1: I shared it on the Instagram for that's messed up.
Speaker 1: But they apparently federal prosecutors are looking back into Ellen
Speaker 1: Greenberg's case. So her documentary made a difference and hopefully
Speaker 1: there will be some justice for Ellen. But I just
Speaker 1: wanted to throw that out there. But what would mister
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Speaker 4: Because Lord knows.
Speaker 1: We are certainly not any kind of encyclopedia around here.
Speaker 1: And this week I wanted to point you to an
Speaker 1: article from the Mayo Clinic titled Performance Enhancing Drugs, Know
Speaker 1: the Risks. This article has a ton of info about
Speaker 1: anabolic steroids, human growth hormone, creatine, and many other drugs.
Speaker 1: It features definitions and risks and the bottom line of
Speaker 1: the article is doping is bad for you. But go
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Speaker 4: Thank you so much, and thank.
Speaker 2: You also everybody for your your Thank you everybody for
Speaker 2: your advice on my planter fash itis.
Speaker 4: I really appreciate it. I've been getting a lot of advice, dude.
Speaker 2: My insuls have changed my life my pain has gone
Speaker 2: down significantly.
Speaker 1: I'm doing everything that p Dietrist told me, and it's
Speaker 1: I'm still having a bunch of pains.
Speaker 2: Well now, now listen, I'm not saying, like my dad says,
Speaker 2: humans aren't cars. You don't just switch apart and it
Speaker 2: feels better. Yeah, it's a journey. Yeah, it's a journey.
Speaker 2: You you it takes a while to get Yeah. But
Speaker 2: my skin is back to being fully inflamed. So who
Speaker 2: knows what I was?
Speaker 4: God? I'm like, I'm like, you know, you don't know
Speaker 4: what you got till it's gone.
Speaker 2: And I didn't realize how much I missed sense, Like
Speaker 2: I really am going crazy.
Speaker 4: I am really really sad.
Speaker 2: I'm like really sad that I don't get to hear
Speaker 2: perfume and that my skin.
Speaker 4: I'm like, was it the towel at the gym? Was
Speaker 4: it my parents sheet?
Speaker 2: I know?
Speaker 4: Miss this was it?
Speaker 2: This? Did I wash my hair here? Was it the
Speaker 2: dry shampoo? And I'm just like, I have eliminated so
Speaker 2: much for my life? Why am I inflamed?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Whatever, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Who cares Next week, but we'll be watching Spooked season eleven,
Speaker 2: episode six, So that's pretty exciting watch it. We'll see
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