1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Bob. If you thought more hours a day, minutes a 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: week was enough, I think again. He's the last remnants 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: of the old Republic, the sole fashion of fairness. He 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: treats crack heads in the ghetto cutter the same as 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: the rich pill poppers in the penthouse, to clearinghouse of 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: hot takes, break free for something special. Fifth Hour with 7 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: Ben Maller starts right now in the air everywhere. We 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: are back at it yet again. Another weekend is upon us, 9 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: and we are back at it because we do the 10 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: radio show. I do the radio show five nights a week, 11 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: as you know, and then we have the spinoff here. 12 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: We have a Friday, Saturday and Sunday show. So two 13 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: shows on Friday, got two shows kind of on Sunday 14 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: in to Monday. And we do thank you for supporting 15 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: the podcast, even when there are issues. More on that 16 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: coming up. We'll talk about that on the Saturday podcast. 17 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: But today is an interview podcast, a conversation, a chat 18 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: with someone who we know, someone who we like, someone 19 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: that we're curious to talk to. And so, by the way, 20 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: Gascon is back this week. David Guescon is back. He's 21 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: a he's fun lay in don't get used to it. 22 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: This could be his final weekend on a podcast. We 23 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 1: can hope that he goes somewhere else, but he's here 24 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: this weekend, booking great A guests yet again, and contend 25 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: to shine like like a diamond. That's what I do. Yes, 26 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: pat yourself on the back a little more. I actually 27 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: a little more pretentious. Yes. Uh. Anyway, this week in 28 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: the NFL Draft coming up here just a few days away. 29 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: A chance to catch up with a man who is 30 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: synonymous with the NFL draft. A number two pick of 31 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: the old San Diego Charger show me your lightning bolt 32 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: in it was neck and neck. It was belly to 33 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: belly between Ryan Leaf and Peyton Manning. Colts had the 34 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: number one pick, the Chargers had the number two pick. 35 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: We know how it turned out. If you somehow I forgotten. 36 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: It didn't turn out well for Ryan Leaf, one of 37 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: the historic NFL Draft bus He only played twenty five 38 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,119 Speaker 1: games in the NFL. He said some fights with demons 39 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: over the years, but he has continued to counter punch, 40 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: and you gotta respect that that Ryan Lee has been 41 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: knocked down, he's done time in jail, and he's continued 42 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: to fight back. And a lot to a lot to 43 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: talk to Ryan Leaf about which we are excited about. 44 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: So let's get right into it right now. We welcome 45 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: in a now former NFL player for many many years 46 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: played with the Chargers and the Cowboys and had a 47 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: cup of coffee and training camping off season with some 48 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: other teams. But let's bring in Ryan Leaf. We'll start 49 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: with the NFL draft. Ryan, We thank you for spend 50 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: some time with us year. Put let's start at the 51 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: very top. Trevor Lawrence, the number one pick, he presumptive 52 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: number one picked by Jacksonville. Is he as good as advertised? Yes? 53 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: He is every He's everything in a bag of ships, 54 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: I'll give you that. Probably the most complete player UH 55 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: coming out of college since Andrew Luck would have been 56 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: the number one overall pick after he upset Alabama or 57 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: more or less destroyed Alabama. To talk about law in 58 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: the National Championship after his freshman year um and to 59 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: not move a spot after two years um, which everybody was. 60 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: The expectations were so high the only way, only where 61 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: only place you could go is is backwards. He didn't. 62 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: He is still the UH overwhelmingly presumptive number one overall pick. 63 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: And best player in this year's draft. So so Ryan 64 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: he's going. It looks like he's going to Jacksonville unless 65 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: something crazy happens. Is that a trip to the googlog? 66 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: If you William Jacksonville is not actually been a wonderful 67 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: outpost in the NFL. I do you put any stock 68 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: into that. Let if you get drafted by a team 69 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: that's not, you know, not that great, that you are doomed. Well, 70 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't say doomed because Trevor is a 71 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: transformational player. Like you could walk into an environment and 72 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: he changes the environment. You know, there are guys that 73 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: are just guys that are great quarterbacks, but they just 74 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: they can't change the environment around them, and it kind 75 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: of happens the other way. He's capable of doing that. Unfortunately, 76 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: a lot of times when these top draft picks, Uh, 77 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: you know, Trevor reminds me a ton of Carson Carson Palmer. 78 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: He goes to Cincinnati, there's a couple of great years 79 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: where they get get into the playoffs. Um, but that's 80 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: as far as they go. You know, you you just 81 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: kind of lost, kind of forgotten, never been a Hall 82 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: of Famer around of Jacksonville. Tony Baselli could change that 83 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: maybe down the line here someday, but um, it's gonna 84 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: be really, really difficult. And unfortunately for the likes of 85 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow and Trevor Lawrence, the best quarterbacks each draft 86 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: are going to the worst possible teams, and systemically that means, 87 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: you know, we probably won't hear from them in terms 88 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: of a ton of success at the NFL level. So 89 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: so right, I saw a story that I wanted to 90 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: ask your opinion on it. There was an a f 91 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: C coach they didn't name, of course, who said that 92 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is better than Trevor Lawrence, that they would 93 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: have taken Burrow a hundred times out of a hundred 94 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: in the draft if they had both been in the 95 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: same draft. You buy that that takers that hyperbole? Well, 96 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: I mean their head to head matchup was just an 97 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: absolute dismantling. You know, I know it's not, you know, 98 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: quarterback versus quarterback, but I mean that's what you're going 99 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: off of. Right. Uh, what Joe Burrow did in that 100 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: one season in l s U is remarkable. It's it's 101 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: absolutely remarkable, and I really think he's gonna change the 102 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: environment in Cincinnati. I just you know, um, that's a 103 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: that's a coin top, that's that's the Peyton Manning Ryan 104 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: leaf right there. If that those two are in the 105 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: same draft, I would argue that was exactly the same 106 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: in ninety eight, where no one knew who was going 107 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: to go one and who was going to go to two. 108 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: That I think there'll be a lot of opinions on 109 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: both sides of that coin if that had been the 110 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: case last year. Yeah, I actually I want to talk 111 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: about it. We'll get back to the draft. But back 112 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: when you were you and Peyton Manning were neck and 113 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: neck for the number one pick. Did you did you 114 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: think you were going to go to the Colts? Did 115 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: they talked to you like they were gonna draft you? 116 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: I mean everyone in the media said it was gonna 117 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,799 Speaker 1: be a you know, a last minute decision. How close 118 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: do you think he came to being drafted by the 119 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: Colts instead of the Chargers. Well, I was hosting Rich 120 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: Eyes and the other day and when he was off 121 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: and I had Jim mursay on, I had the owner 122 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: of the Indianapolis Colts on the show, and I asked 123 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: him that specific question, like how close was it, and 124 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: he said, well, you know, it was pretty much split 125 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: fifty fifty in our in our war room with the scouts, 126 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: Bill Polly and who of course the general manager at 127 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: the time, who was the final word. He really was 128 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: leaning towards Peyton um And and Jim R. Say that 129 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: the owner was leaning towards me. And he had asked 130 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: a really close confidanta his in the NFL who came 131 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: to him a couple of nights before the draft, and 132 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: guy he trusted a lot, uh, said to him and said, Jim, 133 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: you gotta take that least kit. And luckily for the 134 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: Colts and for Jim and for everybody involved, Uh, they didn't. 135 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: He he didn't listen to his longtime NFL confidant, and 136 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: he and they went with Peyton and that was was 137 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: the best best choice they could have made. But if 138 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: you if you had gone to Indie like well you, 139 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: I mean you obviously had some you know, some some issues. 140 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: You've admitted that you you're still battling the stuff occasionally. 141 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: But if you had gone to it, he wouldn't have 142 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: been different. I mean, you don't know in a parallel dimensions, 143 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: if you go to the Colts, is there a different outcome. 144 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: You know, I might have been able to keep my 145 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: character defects under wrapped a little while longer because they 146 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: were there was some more they would have been more 147 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: talent around me. But ultimately, you know, I was the problem. 148 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: So how you know Peyton through the most touch of 149 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: interceptions ever, uh in a season for a rookie, and 150 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: uh the team went three and thirteen. I don't know 151 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: if I could have dealt with that failure. Um, you know, 152 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if I could have you know, gotten 153 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: through that. I had a really hard time dealing with 154 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: failure in a positive way, where Peyton saw it as 155 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: an opportunity to do it better the next time and 156 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: clearly was the right choice. Um, there's a saying I 157 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: use all the time. No matter where you go, there 158 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: you are, and and no matter where I went, there 159 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: I would have been. And I was definitely the problem. 160 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: So I just I just assumed that no matter where 161 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: I would have gone or where I would have been drafted, Um, 162 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: if it was that high, you know how it went 163 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: in the sixth round and no one knew who the 164 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: hell I was, There might have been an easier way 165 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: to work my way up. But when you're drafted that high. Um, 166 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: it's it really wouldn't have mattered where I went. I 167 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: was going to Uh, I was going to implode no 168 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: matter what. Ryan, What gave you that sense that that 169 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: there was going to be an implosure? Like did you 170 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: ever get that feeling when you're at Washington State? Never? 171 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: Never never got that. No, it was gonna be easy. 172 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: I was gonna walk on the football field and do 173 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: what I've always done my whole life. It shocked me that, uh, 174 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 1: that the scrutiny came, that the criticism came, that the 175 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: fan hatred came, all of this stuff. It was utterly 176 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 1: shocking to me such in a way that I was, Um, 177 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: I wasn't shock, you know. And no way in the 178 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: world did I see something like that coming down the 179 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: coming down the pipe. I don't. I mean, no one did, 180 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: clearly because I had. It was one of the highest 181 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: graded players ever going into a draft, Payton Manning and 182 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: I think there were eight point five in terms of grades, 183 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: and you just you just don't see that. I think 184 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck at an eight point eight or something like 185 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: that when he came out, and that was the highest 186 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: we've ever seen. The relationships that you had when you 187 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: were in the National Football League players and coaches and 188 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: management alike. What was the biggest one that you regretted 189 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: the most and just in terms of how things unfolded 190 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: and dissipated. Well, well, you know, just Junior say I 191 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: and Rodney Harrison two real leaders on that on that defense. 192 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: When I when I came into the league, and um, 193 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: I just did not listen or or was willing for 194 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: like just glom onto them and asked them how they've 195 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: done it and then followed their advice verbatim. That's the best. 196 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: That's the advice I give to guys coming into the league, 197 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: no matter how highly drafted they are, because it all 198 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: starts over. You go into that locker room, you find 199 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: a guy that's played ten, twelve years, who's been a 200 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: veteran in this league, because that is the odds of 201 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 1: you playing eight odds of you playing at least eight 202 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: years is crazy. I think it's like a thousand players 203 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: in the history of the NFL to have played eight 204 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: seasons in the NFL. You go find those guys, you 205 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: look them in the eye, you ask them how they 206 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: did it, and when they tell you, you follow their 207 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: You follow their guidance verbatim. Any guys that you follow 208 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: now verbatim? Oh yeah, plenty. I have a few mentors. 209 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: I gotta my sponsors. Thirty two years sober, I follow 210 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: I mean every everything he said, I follow him. You 211 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: walk into you walk into one of those meeting rooms. 212 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: You find a guy that has what you want, you 213 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: go ask him how he got it, and then you 214 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: follow him and you get the life of your dreams. 215 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: And that's exactly where I'm at right now. I mean, 216 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: the days, obviously are are not always the highest of highs. 217 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: How do you how do you combat the loads of 218 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: the lows? You know, they just they don't exist anymore. 219 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: I mean, because you know, I was not on the 220 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: golf course the other day and I heard a guy 221 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: just so upset and screaming about how long the round 222 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: was taking. And I looked at him and I said, 223 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: I said, man, it could be worse. And he's like, 224 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: I don't know how, and I go, you could be 225 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: in prison and uh. And he looked at me like 226 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: in complete and utter shock, and I go, I go, 227 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: so hey, it could be a lot worse, buddy, all right, 228 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: let's just enjoy it. So I don't I don't take 229 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: anything for granted anymore. Life is life. Life is hard. 230 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: But I mean the amount of gratitude and perspective I 231 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: have because of what I went through, there isn't There 232 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: isn't a day where I look in the mirror at 233 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: the end of it and go, God, that was awful. 234 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: It is it is never it is never awful. It 235 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: will never be awful no matter what, because of the 236 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: life I've gotten to live. Yeah, run, I wanted to 237 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: ask you speaking of you know, one of the things 238 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: that we played the sound by a lot. You had 239 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: a famous locker room melt down with j Pose and 240 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: you you scream knock it off? What led? Were you 241 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: just having a terrible day that what led to that interaction? Um? Yeah, 242 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: it's incredibly embarrassing. Um um, maybe that maybe he'll take 243 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: that into consideration next time you guys want to You 244 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: said you run it a lot. Um. The day before 245 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: I played the worst game I've ever played in my 246 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,719 Speaker 1: life at Kansas City. Completed one path, uh for four 247 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: yards through a couple of picks, bumbled three times was 248 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: I think seven times in a rainstorm. It was completely humiliated. 249 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: A cameraman was in the locker room after the game, 250 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: and it was back in the day when they had 251 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: those big, big batteries on the end of the camera, 252 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: and he swung around when I had stood up, and 253 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: it just smoked me in the eye. And I was 254 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 1: so angry, of course, by the way I played, and 255 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: so I just addressed this this cameraman down like made 256 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: him feel like an absolute peon for permitute pretty much 257 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: doing his job. And the local beat writer Um had 258 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: witnessed it all, and you know, I didn't I didn't 259 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: think much of it. I didn't apologize to the guy. UM. 260 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: I just kind of went about my business. And the 261 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: next morning, of course, it was in the in the newspaper, 262 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: um Jay Polser had written all about the incident. And 263 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: so after my gaggle with the reporters on Monday, I 264 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: I asked him to stick around afterwards, and you know, 265 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: like you know, like I always used to do back then, 266 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: just trying to intimidate people and sho him who was boss. 267 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: And I said, Hey, we're gonna have a relationship. You know, 268 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: I'd like some kind of privacy in the locker room. 269 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: Everything that he just he I think he saw an opportunity, uh, 270 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: and and kind of baited me with it, and I 271 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: took the bait, and I proceeded to kind of fortunately 272 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: get him into the chair. And from what you guys 273 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: saw is when a cameraman in the corner of the 274 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: room spun around and heard me standing over the top 275 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: of him trying to be like the big bad man. 276 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: UM pulled my man card Um and really it looked 277 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: like a petel and child just screaming at somebody who 278 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: was doing his job. And luckily for me, Um, I 279 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: didn't you know, physically harm him. And Junior Sales popped 280 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: in there and pulled me out through me in the shower, 281 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: turned the cold water on and and again was there 282 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: to protect me Um like like he did for me 283 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: for those pretty much the entire time. I was there 284 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: until the end where where he just like, I can't 285 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: do anything more for this guy. He just he's just 286 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: he's self sabotaged it so much. He really tried to help. Yeah, 287 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: and you know it was I don't we don't play 288 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: it anymore, right, but back in those days when you know, 289 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: we did disclosure, full disclosure, but uh, and I mean 290 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: you came up nine. Social media really kicked in in 291 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: the two thousands, around twenty nine. That's when that really 292 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: became a huge deal. How different, if at all, would 293 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: your career have been if you would add on top 294 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: of everything that happened. You've got a lot of negative 295 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: publicity because of the way you played, But then if 296 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: you add on top of it social media, how would 297 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: that have changed the dynamic? You know, I didn't get 298 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: a lot of negativity around how I played. The negativity 299 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: came for how I behaved. People can get passed. I 300 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: mean there was there were glimpses in time. We played 301 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: at Denver on t for three sum yards and three 302 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: touchdowns and just lit it up, and my athletic ability 303 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: was always there, So it was never really that it was. 304 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: It was how I behaved and how I acted, And 305 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: so definitely it would have been constantly berated on social media. 306 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: I cared so much about what other people thought um 307 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: post prison. I've worked with a therapist on an affirmation. 308 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: We we use it all the time. I say it 309 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: in the morning every morning. I've been saying it for 310 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: four consecutive years now, every morning in the mirror. What 311 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: other people think of me is none of my business. 312 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: I believe it now, I truly believe it. I can't 313 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: control people, places, or things. Ever. All I can control 314 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: is how I react, how I deal with the situation. 315 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: And and when you've come to that realization, there's a 316 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: ton of there's a ton of like radical acceptance with that, 317 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: and so it would have been very difficult. And now 318 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: I'm on social media a lot, but it's all positivity. 319 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: I don't let any negativity on it. It's all about 320 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: pushing the envelope to help people who are dealing with 321 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: substance abut some mental health issues and for me to 322 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: use it as a platform in mine, you know, in 323 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: my sporting brought asking career, which is which is blossomed, 324 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: which I never thought was something that was going to 325 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: be able to ever happen, you know, being a communications 326 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: major from college, not utilizing that when I got out 327 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: because um, the purpost thing I wanted to be was was, 328 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: you know, in a newsroom because I disliked the media 329 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: so much. Chronically, it's funny that I'm now in the 330 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: media and doing that for a living. So it's it's 331 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: interesting how things come full circle. Ryan, do you think 332 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: the National Football League does a good job of helping 333 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: talent deal with with mental health issues? Oh god, No, 334 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: they're awful. They don't they They don't care about about 335 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: the player. They care about how much money that player 336 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: can bring in. And usually when the player becomes a 337 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: former player, UM, that no longer is a viable option 338 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: for them. Even if you are a Hall of Famer, 339 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: you know. Um, they can build up that a little bit. 340 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: But I think that they are a huge propaganda machine 341 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: and they're really really good at it. Their multi billion 342 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: propaganda machine that promotes violence and says they care about people, 343 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 1: which they don't. Um, they disliked counting their money, and 344 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: so it took me a while to figure that out. Um. 345 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: The recent deaths of Vint and Jackson, our NFL brother 346 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: you know, alone in a hotel room at thirty eight 347 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: years old, that that was the final I think that 348 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: was just the final nail for me. And uh, I 349 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: was really upset about it. And luckily a bunch of people, 350 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: UM jump to action with me, and we've gotten the 351 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: business with a company that's associated with the Hall of Fame. 352 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: Because the Hall of Fame is kind of like Switzerland 353 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: between the NFL, p A and the NFL, they really 354 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: don't have a side there. They can be neutral and 355 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: truly helped the player, and a lot of us former 356 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: players can control that. So we've worked a deal with 357 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame and it's called the Hall of 358 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: Fame Behavioral Health Center. And Um, when something like that happens, 359 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: when the family reaches out to us and as Vincent 360 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: is locked in a hotel room, he won't talk to 361 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: anybody's drinking himself to death. Um, it's like the bat 362 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: line they call me. I get on a plane, I'm 363 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: in the Tampa area, I get to that hotel, I 364 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: knock on the door and I'm like, brother, I was there. 365 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: I'm with you. I know the way out. Just come 366 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: with me. Every life is so precious. We can't have 367 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: something like that happen again. We just we can't. In 368 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: the NFL, UH doesn't care one iota and everything you 369 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: see them say they do, it's just it's just it's 370 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: just a lie. Be sure to catch live editions of 371 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: The Ben Maller Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven 372 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: pm Pacific. Be sure to catch live editions of The 373 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: Ben Maller Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven pm 374 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. 375 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: So do you. I mean, I guess on that note 376 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: not to be cynical about this, but do you think 377 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: that the stances they've had against the Redskins changed the 378 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: name of the Washington football team and then with their 379 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: social justice arsues right now taking those stances or those 380 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: disingenuous Yeah, I believe so. I mean, I think it's 381 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: when the when the league's and predominantly um, people of color, 382 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: you better, you know, you better? At least they're good 383 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: at marketing. They're really good at marketing. So that's essentially 384 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: what this is. I mean, all of a sudden, they 385 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: just have this shift in this change. You know, that's 386 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: the biggest thing. Either they came to like an epiphany 387 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: and a realization. Maybe Roger Goodell finally did because he's 388 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: kind of flying in the face of where a lot 389 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: of the ownership believes in and he works for the owners. 390 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: So I was I was taken aback when I saw 391 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: it happen because we've seen how Colin Kaepernick has really 392 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: been black ball from the NFL because of his stance. Um. 393 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's really hard for me to 394 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: take anything they say at face value and seriously, just 395 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 1: because I've been fooled too many times by it, and 396 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: and you know the first time, you know, shame on 397 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: them that they blew you twice, shame his, shame on you. 398 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: It really is a shame on me if if I 399 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: keep believing it, but they're sot him convincing. Are you 400 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: Are you a fan of Kaepernick? Yeah, definitely. I was 401 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: a huge fan of him when he was coming out 402 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: of the vat. In fact, I had talked to Jim 403 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: Harbaugh about him a lot, and sure enough, you know, 404 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: he moved up and grabbed him there at the beginning 405 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: of the second round, and I thought that was a 406 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: wonderful fit. Um. I have a really unique perspective when 407 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: it comes to, you know, a law and order in 408 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: this country because I was an actual criminal right and um, 409 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: and the night they came and arrested me, I was 410 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: high out of my mind. I had committed a crime, 411 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: you know, and at no point did I ever fear 412 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: for my life, and I never have when it's come 413 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: to police. And that's that's like the epitome of white privilege. 414 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: And you have to have empathy around the idea of 415 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: like if you're a person of color in this country 416 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: and you get pulled over by the police or engaged 417 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: with the police at any time, like there's a real, 418 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: honest to god fear that you could die in that moment. 419 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: That's that's what I've that's what I've really looked at. 420 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: I haven't tried to look at incredible nuances to it that. 421 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: I just that's cut and dry. For me. I wasn't 422 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: in that moment fearful for my life. I didn't think 423 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: I was going to die from the police. I actually 424 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: thought they were gonna take care of me. They were 425 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: gonna put me in a car and take me to 426 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: a jail cell and I was going to be safe. 427 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,959 Speaker 1: And Um, when a person of the caller in our 428 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: country is engaged with the police, they are fearful that 429 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: they are going to lose their life. And that's exactly 430 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: what Colin was trying to trying to exemplify with this protest. 431 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: It just it just took an unbelievable different spin when 432 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: people we wanted to look at it in a different 433 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: lights about you know, our military and patriotism and stuff, 434 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: when when it had nothing to do with that. So, yeah, 435 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: I'm a big fantist, But do you think though that 436 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: the message was just bad in the way that it 437 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: was presented to me, because you could have that stance 438 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: for obviously social justice and the racial issue and the 439 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: component with that against the police. But when you have anybody, 440 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: let alone a quarterback of a National Football League team 441 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: we're in socks with with pigs on him identifying a 442 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: police officers and Fidel Castro shirts like don't you don't 443 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: you think that that message out there also is seen 444 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: for the masses and can be misconstrued. Definitely, definitely disappointing. 445 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: You know, We're flawed human beings. I've messed up a ton. 446 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,479 Speaker 1: I continue to mess up, you know. Um, I'm willing 447 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: to listen to him and accepted apology for doing it. Um, 448 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: his larger message is one that I can rally behind, 449 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: but I'm not. I don't are blinders to the fact 450 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: that those are those are things that actually exist, right, UM. 451 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: I have enough empathy to understand that. You know, you know, 452 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: no matter how um large of a pedestal we get 453 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: placed upon, we're still flawed human beings like everybody else, 454 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: and we messed up all the time. That's just I 455 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: think that's what makes me so much more relatable when 456 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: I travel around the country and speak. They they're in 457 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: the room and they're like, you know, we're just like 458 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: each other. You know, we screw up. We have principles 459 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: and values and and we don't live up to our 460 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: expectations and O those expectations a lot of the time. 461 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: And clearly those are a couple of instances that people are, 462 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, a point to and understandable. I understand people 463 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: when they have those those points to make. And I 464 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: and my response to him, like to yours, it's like, yeah, 465 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: I understand it. It's disappointed. I've accepted as a his 466 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: acknowledgement of messing up and the larger message and what 467 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: he's trying to come across I think is more important. 468 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: And uh, and that's why I've I've been a supporter 469 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: of this. Yeah, And I think on that note to Ryan, 470 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: the one area that makes you unique, and I think 471 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: this just speaks for the mass, is whether you're an athlete, 472 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 1: a politician, a musician, a journalist, is that you're admitting, 473 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: and you have admitted, you've fucked up and you've done wrong, 474 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: and you're and you're not perfect. There are people that 475 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: will just hit the gas and they just continue to 476 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: drive right through a wall and not acknowledge and not 477 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: be at the heat part of it. It's a huge 478 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 1: part of it. Like you count you know what I 479 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: found that was really difficult, Like when I was playing, 480 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: I could not own up to my ship. I couldn't. 481 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: I don't know why. I thought it was weakness and 482 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,719 Speaker 1: vulnerability and transparency, accountability and the most it costs you nothing, 483 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: It doesn't you know, it costs you nothing to to 484 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: just be honest and say, hey, this happened. I'm not perfect, 485 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: I want to be better. What am I just? What 486 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: am I supposed to do? Just call it? Quit, end 487 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: it all? Right now. I know a lot of you 488 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: might want me to do that, but I'm just not 489 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: built that way. I'm gonna get back up, you know. 490 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to continue to trudge forward and try to 491 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: be the best possible version of myself I can, because 492 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: that's that's what I do, and I'm going to continue 493 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: to do it, plain and simple. Hey, Ryan, you know 494 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: I do the Overnight show, So we have an interesting 495 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 1: eclectic group of people listen to my my show, and uh, 496 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: you know, beyont mean a lot of people who are 497 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: up all night. They're fighting the demons of substance abuse 498 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: and whatnot. You've been through the battle. Uh. And if 499 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: someone happens to stumble upon this, You've talked about a 500 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: few things. But if you could sum it up in 501 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: a couple of sentences, what advice would you give a 502 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: person who's listening to this is Like, you know, I 503 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: kind of had some issues like Ryan, but I'm not 504 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: a former NFL player, So what advice would you give 505 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 1: that person? Well? Play and simple? If I could do this, 506 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 1: anybody can you know? That's the that's the that's the 507 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: honest scout true right in a complete public eye in 508 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: front of everybody, every time I messed up, you know, 509 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 1: Sports Center banner, you know, um complete joke. But all 510 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: this stuff like and I'm going to tell you that 511 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: was probably it was probably easier for me than it 512 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 1: is for you because you're doing it in the darkness 513 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: and no one may know, and you feel isolated. You 514 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: feel alone, you don't feel like anybody cares. Let me 515 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: tell you right now, I care. And if you want 516 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: to reach out to me, my my direct messages are 517 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: open on every social media platform. You wouldn't believe the 518 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: amount of messages from people since the pandemic started probably 519 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: at least ten thousand that we've answered and got people 520 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: in in help or just just people just need somebody 521 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: to listen to hear that you're struggling and that it's 522 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: gonna be okay. I know that you're not alone, and 523 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: asking for help is the strongest thing you can ever do. 524 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: I can attest to that. If I can do this, 525 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: anybody can. So, UM, you've got to surrender and access 526 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: the help, and uh, we're willing to help. That's great, 527 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: good advice. So you can reach out to the Ryan 528 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: I wanted to tell I wanted to ask you actually 529 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,239 Speaker 1: because I was covering the Lakers when you were at 530 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: Washington State and it was right around the draft I 531 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: think it was. So I was at the forum and 532 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: I remember there was a little bit of buzz you 533 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: would come you were you were at a game, and 534 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: you were kind of I think, if I remember correctly, 535 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: you were in the in the locker room. Do you 536 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: do you recall that or my imagining things here? No, 537 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: it was, well, the first Laker game I ever went to. 538 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: We were at the Rose Bowl and so you were 539 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: in college. Okay, we were college. We're getting ready for 540 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: it was like a week before the Rose Bowl and 541 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: we were in l a and uh Dr bust and 542 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: his family invited h Charles Woodson and myself and we 543 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: could bring a fellow teammate and we all we all 544 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: went to the game and we were down there on courtside, 545 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: and I got to meet Jim Carey. I remember doing 546 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: that and the Laker girls and Dr bust And then 547 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: because of that once I got drafted by the San 548 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: Diego Chargers. Um I was up all the time as 549 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: a guest of Dr buston Is at the Form Club, 550 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: and I became close with Kobe and Kobe's assistant and 551 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: my assistant had gone to high school high school together, 552 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: so we became we became really close, you know. And 553 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: especially when they got tough for me and his career 554 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: kind of said take off. He was very empathetic and 555 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: tried to help. He would always send me I'm looking 556 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: at him right now in my office right now. I 557 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: got like his rookie year, when lass rookie year, his 558 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: first couple of years, when I had the Adidas deal on, 559 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: he had these K eight shoes. He would always give 560 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: me or send my brothers his pairs of shoes after 561 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: the game, and I got a I got a pair 562 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: of his shoes sitting right here I look at every 563 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: day in my office, and um, I'm missing Dearly. We 564 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: lost connection, of course because of how successful he became 565 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: and how um dysfunctional I did. But um, yeah, I 566 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: used to love being able to do that and be 567 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: Dr Buss was such a welcoming person, and you know, 568 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: he was kind of from a small town guy that 569 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: made it big in the big city and I used 570 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: to do that a lot. So definitely, Uh yeah, I 571 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: read heard me in the locker room. Yeah, because I 572 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: was there, and I remember I remember the night that 573 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: I recall and I guess it might have been the 574 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: Rose Bull thing. But you were like waiting for a 575 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: cab outside back before Uber was a thing in that 576 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: little tunnel at at the Forum. I so it was 577 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: Jerry Buss, a legendary figure in in l A sports 578 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: and in sports ownership. And uh he he liked to 579 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: have a good time, so you he were like you 580 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: buddies with him. How often would you talk to him? 581 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: And did you have actual like a friendship give you 582 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: tickets and stuff like that? Oh yeah, I mean, you know, 583 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: I'd call his assistant and you know, and say, I 584 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: wanted me and my boys wanted to come up, and 585 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: you know that's at the resident we'd eat, we sit 586 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: with him in the forum from and have dinner with them, 587 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: and then you'd have tickets either in his suite or UM. 588 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: He'd have ticket down before for me, um my boys. 589 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: I mean it was. I mean, you're two years old 590 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: Montana boy living this life. It's it was. It was 591 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: really really cool and you know you're watching your heroes 592 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: um play play basketball and it was pretty pretty pretty 593 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: fun deal. Ryan, did you get a chance to I mean, 594 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: because obviously the commute from San Diego to Los Angeles 595 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: is not long, um, but Dr Buss was known to 596 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: to go down to del mar Um quite a bit. 597 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: So did you ever get a chance to play poker 598 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: with Dr Buss? No? I never played poker with him. 599 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: I was not I've never been a good poker player 600 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: and I don't really like it, um, but I did, Uh. 601 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: I did invite him one time down to UM. I 602 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: was del mar Um horse racing member and so um 603 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: the turf club there. I had him down one time 604 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: where we uh where we watched the horse races and 605 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: got to be a part of all that and stuff 606 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: like that. So I think I was the last time 607 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: I probably saw him, to be honest with you. Now, 608 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: you after you left the Charges, you bashed around a 609 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: little bit. You played a few games with the Cowboys. 610 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: Did you have much interaction with Jerry Jones when you 611 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: were in Dallas? Yeah, I'm unbelievable to play for him. Uh. 612 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: I was a Steelers fan growing up, so I wasn't 613 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: really keen on being a Dallas Cowboy. But there's something 614 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: about walking out of that stating with a star on 615 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: your helmet. Um. And if you play for him, you're 616 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: his guy regardless. I mean you are. He's as loyal 617 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: as they come if you are a Dallas Cowboy. I remember, Um, 618 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: you know when when when I needed to get back 619 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: to Montana in the off season to visit some family 620 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: because my grandfather had passed away recently. Um, he he 621 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: loaned me his jet, let me take his jet to 622 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: Montana to be with my family and stuff like that. 623 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: I mean, so that's that's the kind of guy that 624 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: he that he is. UM. I guarantee you I can 625 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: call him up today if if I was in a 626 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: in need and and needed needed some some guidance, some help. Um. 627 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: You know, once you're a cowboy, your cowboy forever. Pretty cool. 628 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: And now I want to circle back to the draft. 629 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: So next next week is the big the big event 630 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: here the draft. Outside of Trevor Lawrence as a former 631 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: court back, Ryan, when you look at the other quarterments, 632 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of cubis. We could see four or 633 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: five cubes drafted like rat a tat tat. Right at 634 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: the beginning of the draft, which of the other guys 635 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: really stands out that you think is going to be 636 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: the guy? Well, my list consists of Trevor Lawrence, one, 637 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,719 Speaker 1: Justin Fields two Um, and then there's a Tassa. You know, 638 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: if you're looking for the highest ceiling I'd probably say 639 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: Trey Lance is probably one of the highest ceiling. Um. 640 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: You know, Zack Wilson and Mac Jones very capable, accurate, 641 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: strong arms. UM. David's Mills for me is a guy 642 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: that that people have slept on. I would have hoped 643 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: for him to come back another year, having only started 644 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: twelve games in his college career, but he's got first 645 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: round talent and it wouldn't surprise me if the team 646 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: snuck up into the late first round like they did 647 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: with Lamar Jackson a few years back to get a 648 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: get a quarterback in the first round so they get 649 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: that fifth year option on them. So um, I think 650 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: everything everything falls to Atlanta at at four. What they 651 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: do with their pick will lay the dominoes for the 652 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: rest of the night, because if they pass on a 653 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: quarterback and um and move back and the team jumps 654 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: up there to take that fourth quarterback, there's gonna be 655 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: you know, probably five or six other teams that are 656 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: clamoring to jump up with Cincinnati or Miami to get 657 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: that fifth quarterback. Because but if they decide to stay 658 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: foot draft Kyle Pitt or Jamaar Chase or um or 659 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: Devonte Smith or or Micah Parson's defense on the on 660 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: the defensive side of the football, uh, those other two 661 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 1: quarterbacks can drop back always because for the next few picks, 662 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 1: no one really needs the quarterback. I don't know what 663 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: Detrait exactly is going to do, but I don't I don't. 664 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: I think I think people would really poo poo the 665 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: idea that they took a quarterback after spending all that 666 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,439 Speaker 1: money on Jared Jaw over the next two years. Ryan 667 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: not to geek out a little bit, but I have 668 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 1: to do this with the college level because you remember 669 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: what Manning do an Indy when he had three and 670 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: four wide receivers and what he did in Denver. And 671 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: I bring that because of Mac Jones. I mean, he's 672 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: a he was a great player at Alabama, but he 673 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: had Jalen Waddle, he had Davonte Smith and then he 674 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: had Nag Harris in the backfield and John Matchi in 675 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: the slot. So is that more of what Sarkeesian and 676 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: Sabman did or was that on him? And do you 677 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 1: think that even translates the national football he because in 678 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: Alabama quarterbacks have not panned out well obviously in recent years. Yeah, 679 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: I think he's I think he's I think he's remarkable. 680 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: I think he made the Sarkeesian this last year because 681 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: Steve kind of looked like he knew what he was 682 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 1: doing with Ta and Jalen, but when push came to 683 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: shot with a big game moment, uh, he looked lost 684 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,959 Speaker 1: in terms of how he went about his business, and 685 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,280 Speaker 1: Mac Jones made him look like a superstar. Mac Jones 686 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 1: got him the Texas Longhorns head coaching job. Um Joe, gurl, 687 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: what was it? Who was Joe Burrow throwing to Edwards Hilaire, 688 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,439 Speaker 1: UH with a bunch of bums out there. No, there's 689 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: Jamar Jason, justin Jefferson, there's ballers, right, I mean, so, 690 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're gonna it's gonna knock Mac for it, 691 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: you've gotta not Burrow for it too. And and I 692 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: don't believe that to be the case at all. Howcome 693 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: to UH and Jalen couldn't win a national championship um 694 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: start to finish? You know what if the third guy 695 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: in line was actually the best of the three. And 696 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: so therefore I'm every I'm a huge, huge fan of 697 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: Mac Jones. If he goes the third to San Francisco, 698 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be, I'll be very very happy for him. 699 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: I have no idea what San Francisco is going to do. 700 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: John Beck, who is a quarterback guru and coach really 701 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: close to Kyle Shanahan. Apparently Kyle had shuttled him off 702 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,800 Speaker 1: to to UH North Dakota to work with Trey before 703 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 1: this last workout. So that makes me leave lean a 704 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: little bit towards the body. Irons taking a leap um 705 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 1: for the North Dakota state product at three we'll see, 706 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: we'll find out. I think any of the three guys 707 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: at Landed Standrancisco are gonna have great careers, all right, 708 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: and right, you'll actually be in for our old, our 709 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: former colleague, Rich eisen Right, You're gonna be hosting for 710 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: him on the NFL Draft week, Is that correct? Yeah? 711 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: So Rich is in the gonna be in Cleveland hosting 712 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: UH NFL Draft stuff for NFL Network. Because of COVID, 713 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:28,760 Speaker 1: his his daily UH television and radio show. UM couldn't 714 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 1: travel because of COVID, and so you know, you know, 715 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: by the grace of God, he he has been a 716 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: huge supporter of mine and gaving me opportunity after opportunity, 717 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: and sure enough two of the biggest platforms day of 718 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: the Draft or the day after the first round of 719 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: the Draft. I'm gonna be hosting the Big Fellas UH 720 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 1: TV and radio show both days. So excited about that. 721 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: It gonna be a ton of talk about UM. Always 722 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 1: have a blast with those guys on that show. UH 723 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 1: can't write. It's gonna be a great week. Awesome, very cool. 724 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: Thank you for your time, Ryan continued to Briany, good 725 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: luck and we'll talk to you down line. Thank you 726 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: you Betbellots take it easy, yeah, thanks great. Be sure 727 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,280 Speaker 1: to catch live editions of The Ben Maller Show weekdays 728 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: at two am eastern eleven pm Pacific. Be sure to 729 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: catch live editions of The Ben Maller Show weekdays at 730 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: two am eastern eleven pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 731 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: and the I Heart Radio app