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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast knows all about Hot Butts.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast,

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Speaker 1: presented by New Era. My name is Dan Hanzas and

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Speaker 1: I am joined in the room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling, and Greg Rosenthal. What is up? Boys? What's up?

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Speaker 1: How's everybody? Greg? And I are nervous. We don't know

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Speaker 1: who's supposed to talk. After west says what he just

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Speaker 1: said at the show's off to start, makes sound effects

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Speaker 1: like Oh, I'm just a little on edge here because

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Speaker 1: of the sound drop there, because of the theme of

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Speaker 1: this show that we're talking about matt men and their

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Speaker 1: jobs and their butts. This is the first ever coming

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Speaker 1: up later today, um, the first ever hot Butts bracket.

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Speaker 1: As we look forward, did we get that hot butts drop?

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Speaker 1: Falton wait for it is? Fortunately back in our lives

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Speaker 1: there it is. What is the hotbuts Bracket? Well, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna get to it, but it is a breakdown of

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Speaker 1: where the NFL stands in terms of head coaches and

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Speaker 1: job securities. We enter. It's basically like a thirty minute

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Speaker 1: reason for Dan to laugh at the joke hop butts.

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Speaker 1: It's very well said, one of those things that just

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Speaker 1: doesn't get old for me. What can I tell you,

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Speaker 1: I just like the term hot butts. Uh so, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go through every coach now, we're not this

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Speaker 1: is not and it's just very I want to make

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Speaker 1: this clear and anybody listening that this is not We're

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Speaker 1: not picking on people are making light. I know, Greg,

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Speaker 1: this makes you very sensitive as you're working your way

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Speaker 1: up in the NFL network. We're not making light of

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Speaker 1: anyone's job security or lack thereof. It's just more little

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Speaker 1: housekeeping that is part of the business. Every January six

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Speaker 1: or seven guys lose their jobs. We're just gonna kind

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Speaker 1: of handicap in a way. Who And that's a disclaimer

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Speaker 1: that opens the door to allow us to have that conversation.

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Speaker 1: Were disclaimer changes could be coming in the NFL looking

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Speaker 1: it's just an overview of the landscape. That's what we do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what are we here for? We're completest yes,

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Speaker 1: of course, the uh thank you to everyone. You know.

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Speaker 1: Every once in a while, every few months, something happens

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Speaker 1: in your Twitter feed where your your mentions truly blow up.

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Speaker 1: Kai Forbeth working out with the New York Jets. Uh.

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Speaker 1: That is that is on the shortlist for me all time,

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Speaker 1: completely flooded, and I have to think it has got

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Speaker 1: to be on Kai's radar at this point. Was he

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Speaker 1: on Twitter? Is he getting a good question? Me? I'll

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Speaker 1: take a look while you guys if Kai is also

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Speaker 1: getting at it in that case, it's it's probably. There's

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Speaker 1: no doubt about it. He is. And he has a

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Speaker 1: blue checkmark. By the way, thirty point two thousand followers. Um,

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Speaker 1: he's only following people of his own track. If I

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Speaker 1: linked forever on the internet. Yes, I'm tracking this very close.

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Speaker 1: Tweeted in months. It might not be on top of

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Speaker 1: with the Jets. The Jets also signed that Seahawks kicker.

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Speaker 1: kicker situation. You know all about it. So we'll find

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Speaker 1: out if Kai's Kai Uh with Gang Green in the

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Speaker 1: next few days. I figure I figure uh. And we

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Speaker 1: special guest we haven't had in Studio sixty six. There's

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Speaker 1: a little hint in a while, but let's get to it.

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Speaker 1: Let's do some news two World Wars by doing jumping

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Speaker 1: Jack's pushed ups and shut Ups two World Wars. Bob Wiley,

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Speaker 1: the offensive line coach of the Cleveland Browns, up from

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Speaker 1: the latest episode of Hard Knocks, which we'll get to

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Speaker 1: in a bit. Bob Wiley on your radar a little bit, Mark,

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Speaker 1: let's start with news about the NFL Competition Committee. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's not just um yakkers like us that are all

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Speaker 1: rule through the first two weeks of the preseason um.

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Speaker 1: The committee reviewed feedback from players, coaches, game officials, and

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Speaker 1: determined that inadvertent or incidental contact contact with the helmet

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Speaker 1: and he said it's not a big change for us.

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Speaker 1: extending to the right, the final game of Week two

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Speaker 1: Andrew Luck UM Mr Sessler Uh still knocking the rust off.

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Speaker 1: visiting the Browns facility in Barria. No no, no bread.

427
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Speaker 1: Thank you so anyway, so that was kind of like

428
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 1: the big hook I thought of the episode, and uh,

429
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 1: it was an interesting, uh look at the situation because

430
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant and you guys, let me know if you disagree,

431
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: looked very invested in the idea of playing with the

432
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. This was not a play for the cameras

433
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: or publicity or just to remind other general managers that

434
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 1: he is Dez and he exists. No. Uh. He basically

435
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 1: introduced himself to every person in the building, was super

436
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 1: engaged in his conversation that we saw with Hugh Jackson,

437
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: explaining where he's at. It's all about the realness, Greg,

438
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: he stressed multiple times um and uh. I think the

439
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: other thing that's going to be remembered about this episode

440
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: was Hugh Jackson, who seems smitten by Dez Bryant, even

441
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 1: though they did not agree to terms by the end

442
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 1: of the visit. He ended his what I can almost

443
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 1: call a pitch to Dez with this comment one day

444
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: right here at home in front of the dog. Found

445
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 1: it gonnuld be unbelievable. This will be the greatest turnaround

446
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: in sports history. So, uh, first we'll start there, is

447
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: that is that gonna happen? Well, I mean you have

448
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: less less, you know, with your own sixteen and you

449
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: go even nine and seven. That's an incredible turnaround compared

450
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: to if you were five and eleven and you need

451
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: to finish you know, fifteen and one for equal amount

452
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: of games. So in that math is incorrect already. But

453
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the one thing with Hugh

454
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Speaker 1: Jackson coming out of the first episode, I just thought,

455
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a really rough four weeks for

456
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: him after this first episode, What what's going to happen next?

457
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: And I'm not I don't I think he has a

458
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 1: long way to go in general to keep this job

459
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 1: over the course of the of this of the year.

460
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: But Hugh Jackson in this episode, I thought came across

461
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: better than he hasn't any of the others. I thought

462
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: he did what he did a good job with Dez Bryant.

463
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: But I do question, and Daniel asked me this last night,

464
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: like why doesn't Hugh Jackson, if he really wanted this player,

465
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: have the ability to say, just get it done, whatever

466
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: it takes. Like I don't think he realized exactly, I said,

467
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: I was just curious. I was asking two years ago,

468
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: before one and thirty one, if he would have had

469
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: this way in the building to get des signed, if

470
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Speaker 1: he wanted him. Have things changed since then? I think

471
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: we there Analytics guy did not seem high on Dez.

472
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: There's probably a whole different conversation happening with John Dorsey

473
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Speaker 1: as a as a Browns fan and not not from

474
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 1: not from an analyst side, Like I kind of just say,

475
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: you have a ton of capram, go for it. Why not,

476
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: Like just find out. I think a lot of people

477
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: are taking it for granted that Dez would have signed

478
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 1: for whatever the Browns offered to The Browns publicly quartered

479
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: him and basically pressured into come into this to do

480
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 1: this visit, and I'm not sure if he would have

481
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: done it without that shrine. I'm not sure if he

482
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: would have signed on the dotted line just then. I

483
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: think he wants more than they're offering. That's the issue. Well, no,

484
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: but the money I think is usually close at all.

485
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. I tend to think there hasn't been

486
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 1: any offer because if there was, then that gets reported

487
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: because does Briant's side sees that as a thing to

488
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 1: put out there. There was a report that he was

489
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: looking for approved deal as well, which is short term much.

490
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: I think the Browns would be cool with. I thought

491
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: that the h remark about the greatest comeback ever. It

492
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: reminded me of his run in Oakland when he was

493
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: just he's just kind of you know, first of all,

494
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 1: this is a closed door meeting. You know, he's not

495
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: thinking about hard knocks cameras. He's just talk talk in

496
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: every second of every day. He's not thinking about hard

497
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: knocks cameras. I don't think he's also the guy that

498
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: also said the Carson Palmer trade to Oakland was the

499
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: greatest trade in football history. I don't know if you

500
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 1: remember that. He gets he's high probably, And you have

501
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: to wonder a lot of times with these coordinators, is

502
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: there like a Peter Principal a play where you were

503
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: a maverick ingenius coordinat later and you made you made

504
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: your your reputation of that, then you've become a head coach.

505
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: It's a completely different job. And the growing pains there

506
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: can be really rough, and Hugh Jackson has his reputation

507
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: is taking a hit as much as anyone I've seen

508
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Ever, I think over the course of

509
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: seven hundred days, outside of someone breaking the last. But

510
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: here's the one thing. One thing is I hear this

511
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: all the time. I hear this all the time. The

512
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: one thing that I think they may have may have

513
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: walked into not out of wisdom, but they might have

514
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: because I think if you fired Hugh Jackson, it would

515
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: have been the fifth, the third coach they fired in

516
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: five seasons. That ownership group. You don't at that time

517
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: have Tyrod Taylor, you don't have Baker Mayfield, you don't

518
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: have anything. And what coach is going to go to Cleveland.

519
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: I think they have a better chance to, like the

520
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: Bears did post John Fox, recruit a better coach after

521
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: this year's experience with this roster. That's why I don't

522
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: want to kill him for that and say you just

523
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 1: should have swept him out and hired the eighth best,

524
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: tenth best candidate. Stick a pin in this conversation, because

525
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: Hugh is going to come up at a little bit

526
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: before we do get to that, though, Let's welcome in

527
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: a surprise guest to the Around the NFL podcast here.

528
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: I mean, this podcast probably doesn't even exist without this man.

529
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: Let's be honest. He is the great host of the

530
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: Dave Damashek Football program. And uh and and now let's

531
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: let's let's set the stage here, Hew you doing, Dave?

532
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: I'm fine? And may I say something that might surprise

533
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal, who tried to take a shot at the

534
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: Steelers the presumed the division championship that's headed their way.

535
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: I'm with you on the Ravens. They're gonna be good.

536
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: I do think Jimmy Smith is the most unheralded, really

537
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: good cover corner in in the NFL, and that's a

538
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 1: major absence. But that you're playing head games with your

539
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: Steelers then thousand times no, I've heard this. I think

540
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: they might win. I think they I think the Browns

541
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: win in Week one in Cleveland? How about that. I'll

542
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: tell you what you told me, the same exact thing

543
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: at this time last year. I told you I was

544
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: nervous out there. I'm predicting it out right this year.

545
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: Love when you guys chop up the A f C. North. Um, alright,

546
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: so check's here because on Monday's show, Um, I acknowledge,

547
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: not even admitted, because that that seems to indicate shame

548
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 1: or something that I had never had Duck before, which

549
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: led to this comment from Greg. I have never had Duck.

550
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: I can honestly say that it's calm down. You're a

551
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: meat lover. You're missing out in life. Maybe the number

552
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: one meat, and of all the meats that's not come on,

553
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: it's up there, maybe the number one. Al Right, So

554
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: Greg says Duck is the number one meeting. I walked

555
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: it back with it like five seconds bider. I was like, okay, um,

556
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: so I thought I was gonna put together a power

557
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: rankings of top meats, but I said, no, I'm not

558
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: qualified for that. The man that's qualified for anything list

559
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: food related is Dave Damna check. Uh so check. Without

560
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: further ado, can you give us or first of all,

561
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: your your general takeaways on Greg's commentary. Well, I mean,

562
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: obviously Greg reached there a little bit. Maybe he was

563
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: trying to maybe he was being a little pretentious there.

564
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: Maybe it was a hot take in the world of food.

565
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: Whatever his intent there, It's like duck. Most people, including

566
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: my introduction, the duck is at cheap Chinese food restaurants,

567
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: So I don't need to hear a pretentious It was

568
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: within the context of what was a duck country. But yeah,

569
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: Chinese food, now that's fair. I'm trying to change history.

570
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: Um No, listen. The measure that I would apply here

571
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: if I may, is I've asked the question before. Um

572
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: let's let's be let's be rough about it. Here. You

573
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: get to eat the flesh of one beast for the

574
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: rest of your days, to the exclusion of all others.

575
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: What's the one beast you're gonna choose? No one, not

576
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal, not anyone else, would ever choose ducks. Fair,

577
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: that's absolutely going with you, going with if I had

578
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: because I have not eaten meat since like seven but

579
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: right now, if I had to, I would eat like

580
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: a plate of bacon before you know what that is

581
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: the that's my hot take on this. It's five to one. Okay, okay, alright,

582
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: let's start with Dave dams Top five meats, starting with

583
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Speaker 1: number five. At number five, I'm going with turkey. I

584
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: don't understand I it's it's pal generous. You think that

585
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't even be in my top twenty. Do you have

586
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: your five? It's a foul tasting foul. Do you have

587
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: your five listed out there? It's awfully easy to take

588
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: down other people. Turkey alligator in over toil on. Turkey

589
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: is bland by nature. First of all. What I don't

590
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: want in food is bland. You ever go to You

591
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: ever go to a ballpark or an amusement park and

592
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: get one of them nice mutton chops carrying around. That's

593
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: the la that's rare, means a lamb deep fry your bird.

594
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: And by the way, I've said it before, I'll say

595
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: it again. I called for three years ago with my

596
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: New Year's as a lution, because I am not selfish

597
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: like everybody else. I make New Year's resolutions for all

598
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: of society. I called for an end to the to

599
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: the prejudice against delicious stuffing only given to us once

600
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: a year. I said I wanted added to every menu,

601
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: stay on top of number four. At number four, it's chicken,

602
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: it's you know what, it's utilitarian and it and I

603
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: feel like putting it at number four outside the winter circles.

604
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: It didn't even make the stand. But it is delicious.

605
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's there for us day in, day out.

606
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: It deserves a lot more respect that I'm giving it here. However,

607
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: tough decisions had to be made, and I'm I'm fine

608
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: with this, and I think my next frontier in cooking

609
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: is fried chicken. I'm gonna become a fried chicken number three,

610
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: righteous endeavor. At number three, I'm gonna go here with fish. Now,

611
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: I'll just say it's controversy on I'm the first one

612
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,719
Speaker 1: to say that it is, why only unfair to go

613
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: with all the creatures of the seat two thirds of

614
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: the big blue marble. Yeah, I get all those, most

615
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: of which you have eaten in our newsroom. It's a

616
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: passion of mine to bring the smelly blow off a

617
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: corner of the news. It's kept. It's kept. Probably the

618
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: most society is you know, alive and making it to

619
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Speaker 1: this point in human history too, which is pretty important.

620
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: Is that true? I didn't know that, all right, So

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Speaker 1: I mean give him an efficient something, something, teach him

622
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: an toficient something something. Almost every city ever founded was

623
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: found in a body of water. Yeah that's true. Yeah,

624
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: Indianapolis is a noteworthy exception. I'm trying to think Texas, right,

625
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: I mean no, I'm just saying cities that are not

626
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: just for nothing. I'm trying to think of land storic

627
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: cities in the hottest bus add number two. This is

628
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: the tough call. This is not a hot take. I've

629
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: given this a great deal of thought over the years.

630
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with cow here. Yes, it's delicious. I

631
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: love steak. I love a New York strip. I've enjoyed

632
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: a New York strip with everybody seated in Studio sixty

633
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: six right now. I also love beef rib I love

634
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: Hamburger ribs. I mean, come on, beast. If I'm holding

635
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: myself to the standard that I laid out five minutes ago, though,

636
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: I can't ever eat this beast again, and every other

637
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: beast is gonna be cast aside in favor of just one,

638
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm going swine. Why think it through now, poor Gribbs?

639
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: Would you go with poor Ribs over beef. I think

640
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: people doesn't make it right, but I think that's better.

641
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: I like a pork tender loin bacon, as you say, obviously,

642
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: I mean I'd be fine with either, but not as versatile.

643
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: You're not. You're not gonna have as many options for

644
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: the rest of your life in different ways to do it.

645
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: The best I've ever put in my mouth was a

646
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: filet mignon done perfectly. And there's nothing pork can do

647
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: to to to breach isolates. Yeah, Mark, Mark has never

648
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: been less comfortable, head shot and everything. Next to my

649
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: rankings there, yes, swine number one, I hear us, of course, yes,

650
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: I think you can do more with pork. Thing you

651
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: you can with well you also here. I don't know

652
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: what this is worth, but I'm gonna point it out.

653
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 1: You know what really makes a burger sing? Some bacon?

654
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. Does that is that? Does that add value?

655
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: That one thing? Like I So, I have not eaten meat,

656
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: I said, a long time, but two years I did know.

657
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: So it's like my men, my favorite memories eating them.

658
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: It's great steak with fries, like a really really well

659
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: done steak and fries. Um lobster well done with ketchup.

660
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: Are we counting lobster in the fish world? You can

661
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: count lobster. But let me just say this to you

662
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 1: about that. I'll play contrarian on that one. Everybody holds

663
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: up lobster as the pinnacle of food in rest. Oh

664
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Speaker 1: they have log to market. Oh, Margaret, probably you know

665
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: why lobster tastes good. It's a it is. It is

666
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: the most unjust thing that I can really out there

667
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: think of it. You know, like Matt Ryan is great

668
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: because of Julio Jones. Move over, Julio Jones. You're not

669
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,959
Speaker 1: the most slighted thing in society. Drawn butter is drawn butter.

670
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: Dip anything into drawn butter. Why does lobster get the

671
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: benefit from from the delicious drawn butter? Just take a

672
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: nice little roll and dip that in the drawn butter. Oh,

673
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: dinner rolls the greatest food of all time. We should

674
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Speaker 1: by the way, best breakfast meat ham a pan go ahead? Sorry,

712
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Speaker 1: sorry chicken. I think I think corned beef and hash

713
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Speaker 1: has been slept on for too long. Someday it's gonna

714
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715
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Speaker 1: I'll say that it's very nice. All right here it is,

716
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Speaker 1: It's time to get to it. The first annual Hot

717
00:37:54,760 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: Butts Bracket. Oh yeah, and again a disclaimer, see a disclaimer.

718
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: It's it's one of these men one of the in

719
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: in our hands. We hold a bracket of all thirty

720
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: two NFL head coaches and we've gone ahead and we

721
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,959
Speaker 1: what do you I'm just thinking, it's we have thirty

722
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: one matchups to go here, and we're going We seated

723
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: it one to sixteen on each side each conference. Uh,

724
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: and we're gonna get to all the matchups until we

725
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: find the coach. And this is important the distinction here

726
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: not most likely to be fired necessarily, but who has

727
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 1: truly the hottest butt? As we approached the sea, Who's

728
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: who's has the hottest scene? Does that make sense? Check?

729
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: I got you? Okay? Cool? Just so everyone knows, let's

730
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: give you the um the number one seeds because that's

731
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: always when they do the whole drawings, everyone's excited about

732
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 1: who got the number one seeds. Hugh Jackson of course,

733
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: who just talked about coming off oh sixteen, got a

734
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: one seed? Also, Uh, Dirk Cutters. We've we've split it

735
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: into a f C NFC and this is this is

736
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: the part where CBS would take like a two commercial

737
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 1: breaks before telling you about the rest of the bracket.

738
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: But I'm glad you including Cutter there because I feel

739
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: like he's been flying under the radar a little bit,

740
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: Is that right? Okay, it was like a minor miracle.

741
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: He's still the head coaching example, it is officially Loco

742
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: in my book the dirt Cutters coach down there at

743
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: this point. So we're gonna go through the the We're

744
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: gonna go through each round, and some of these are

745
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 1: gonna be no brainers, uh, and but some are gonna

746
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: be real debates. And one of the reasons why we're

747
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: happy to have check here is if we didn't have

748
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: check here and just be four of us, and we'd

749
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: be deadlocking like buffoons, and then what we just have

750
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: the end shown. But now we have five people, so

751
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: we will be able to break any tie. There will

752
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: be no deadlocks. Uh. So let's start with the A

753
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: F C bracket. Should we go back and forth or

754
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: just do each side? I think go down af see

755
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: okay one sixteen. So it's Hugh Jackson of course against yes,

756
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: the great Bill Belichick, peerless. No one could have a

757
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: cooler butt than Bill belichis Oh yeah, I see is

758
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: all get out and whereas you, I mean, people keep

759
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: saying it, and sometimes when things get repeated too much,

760
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: you just absorbed them and then and then you get

761
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: come to a place where you ignore it. But one

762
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: and thirty one is not jive. And I heard what

763
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: you said, Cessler ten minutes ago. But probably won't make

764
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: the show. I'm sure that will be cut out. What

765
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 1: has Hugh What has Hugh Jackson done in his entire

766
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: career to earn the faith of anyone? The fact that

767
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: he ascended to be a head coach and could survive

768
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: going one and thirty one is remarkable to me. I

769
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: hear your larger point about what it might mean for

770
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: the franchise, But as it is, Hugh Jackson is a

771
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: head coach, has done nothing. It was not a merit

772
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 1: based retention. I think it was for completely different reasons

773
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: and that Conde alright, So once upon a time, by

774
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 1: the way, just show you how things change. Bill Belichick

775
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: was fired by the Browns, so he he was probably

776
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: some things have not changed. But he's been a sixteen

777
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: seed for decades now, fifteen years. Greg, It's hard to

778
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: imagine what he would have to do to get fired.

779
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: It would not be football related. I feel like it's

780
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: amazing that his contract is even recorded through some different

781
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: scenarios where we don't have the time. His contract is

782
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: even reported on differently. I've got this list of every

783
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: quarterback signed blank extension through blank under Belichick. I just

784
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: have signed under closed under. Nobody knows. No one knows

785
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: what he made. Nobody knows. Probably a lot more. But

786
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: he's floating around the sea on like a highly expensive

787
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: ocean vessel whenever he's not coaching, So guys making some

788
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: Nobody even talk about that little boat. It's not like alright,

789
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: so I don't like. I don't like to have. He's

790
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 1: a grown man running around in his flip flops. It's

791
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 1: formal events already. He ends the losing streak. He moves

792
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: on to the next round. His opponent the eight nine

793
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: match up eight seed Doug Morone, coming off on really

794
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: nice season with the Jags, um uh and he will

795
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 1: face off against Bill O'Brien of the Texans. Chris Westling

796
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: gonna start with you on this one. Uh, this one

797
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: to me, I got Bill O'Brien Cinderella story written all

798
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: over him. What do you think this? This is one

799
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: of the toughest breakdowns in the entire bracket. Both of

800
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: them just signed extensions this offseason. O'Brien for four more

801
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: years through two thousand twenty two. The Jaguars are set

802
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: up more to succeed because their roster is stronger, and

803
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: the Texans are set up more to collapse because they're

804
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: like the cowboys have always been, where they have a

805
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: handful of stars and no depth. CBS is putting this

806
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: at seven forty Eastern, showing it to as much of

807
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: the country as possible. These two men are are best

808
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: friends going back twenty years, so to the rivalry and

809
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: from the Bronx. I'm from New England and there by

810
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: the way the Bill Belichick, as cool as his seat is,

811
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: I will point to it again. It is very strange

812
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: in in the history of high end legendary head coaches

813
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: that his tree has has bared so little fruit. The

814
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: coaching GM's are looking better and O'Brien. You know, you

815
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: gotta give O'Brien some credit. I think Brian is probably

816
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: the best coach to come out of that there. There's

817
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: zero question about that. But if he, I would say

818
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien's out. I think Bill O'Brien is somebody to

819
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: watch here. He's a headstrong guy. And uh, there have

820
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: been whispers for a couple of years about maybe some

821
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: dissension between him and ownership, not so much of the

822
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: new GM Brian Gain Pearl River's own. Uh he essentially hired. Yeah,

823
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: so I but I would say it wouldn't be a

824
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: clash with Gain. But if things go south on the Texans,

825
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: and they definitely could. They're a high ceiling, low floor

826
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: team this year that O'Brien could get shown the door,

827
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: I would vote that he would move on in this minute.

828
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: And one thing about these contracts, it's that actually is

829
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: interesting to look at that stuff, But I do I

830
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: think when you hit a point where the whole ornozation

831
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: needs a total cleanse, the owner pays that contract out.

832
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: They don't worry about, oh, we should keep Bill O'Brien

833
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: for two more years because he's making six million dollars

834
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: or something. Who else millionaire? Who else sees O'Brien is

835
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 1: the guy here. I'm with you on that for the

836
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: sake of moving the show along as well as a

837
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: coin flip. But let's move on. I would go him

838
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 1: around because I can see the jags if I was

839
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: going to one of these two to expectation, if they

840
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: went four and twelve, just like, not the craziest thing

841
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: that six and ten or something. Yeah, I think if

842
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: they go eight and eight, it's a wild disappointment. Alright,

843
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: check I'll tee you up on this one. The fourth

844
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 1: thirteen matchup. Todd Bowles, entering his fourth year with the Jets,

845
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: has not made the playoffs, and I don't It's got

846
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: to be a short list and they're unlikely to do

847
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: it this year of guys that have ever survived four

848
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: straight years without going to the playoffs. Once he gets

849
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: a match up against Mike Tomlin, who's been at Pittsburgh forever,

850
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: this team is once again a Super Bowl contender. This

851
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: feels like a walk for Bowls, right. I think that

852
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: Bowls certainly makes sense given the Steelers ongoing ownerships unwillingness

853
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: to ever part ways with a head coach. However, how

854
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: is it gonna sit with everybody if the heralded trio

855
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: of seven four finished again outside of the Super Bowl,

856
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: and therefore that trio never even gets as far as

857
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: getting to the big game. That is kind of a

858
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 1: strike against Mike Tomlin and a big one. I there's

859
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 1: a certain amount of momentum already about that Tomlin should

860
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: move on if that happens again and the defense doesn't perform,

861
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: that's obviously his bally Wick. Anyway, I think he got

862
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: a generous seat here. His high seed is protecting him here. Yeah,

863
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: and Bowls to me, could be a higher seed. He

864
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: could be the two seeds because to me, Bowls is

865
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: gone if they don't have it like eight wins. I

866
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: just think they'll they're gonna, they're gonna, They're gonna make

867
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: a change unless it's unless it's some sort of crazy

868
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: inspiring like great defensive performance. I think he's in Troke.

869
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: I get boils down with the tom on front to

870
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: options because if you're the Steelers, do not do this.

871
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: If if you're gonna fire him, they have to have

872
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: someone that they absolutely love and who loves them back.

873
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: Mike Munchak really done and done well. That's what people

874
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: thought about Ken Wizzen on last time. And then they

875
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: hired Mike Tommin who they had no idea who he was,

876
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: so they went was Wizzen hunt Russ Grim. It was

877
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: down to those two. Wait, who's Mike tom Win? What

878
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: he's got? Who? Wait, they're just doing that by the

879
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 1: Rooney rule. Oh wait, he got the job. Why who

880
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: is he again. He is legend has and he blew

881
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: them away in his interview. Here's the five twelve matchup.

882
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: John Harbaugh of the Ravens. He's been there forever. He

883
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl there, but was hanging on Gregg

884
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: by the skin of his teeth after the shocking loss

885
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: to Cincinnati knocked him out of the playoffs last year.

886
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott of the Bills. He's our twelve seed and

887
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 1: McDermott uh would be safe. But the only thing that

888
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: could hurt him here is if they really create or

889
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: we get hit with a two two and fourteen bomb.

890
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: I think in the interest of moving on, this is

891
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: a walk for hard Bob. But McDermott, to me, is

892
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: as safe as anyone. I think he Actually he is

893
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: the rare coach that could that could survive at two

894
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: and fourteen because they've given this to Harbor. Every good

895
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: bracket needs a twelve five upset, and to me, this

896
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: is it. The Bill. The Bills have the worst roster

897
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: in the league. They could easily crater and Sean McDermott,

898
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: like advanced Joseph before you, but they but they just

899
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: also John Harbor is too good of a coach. He's

900
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: a top five NFL coach. You point to the issues

901
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: and the whispers that Harbaugh was wasn't a whisper. The

902
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: owner said he considered firing John Harbaugh. So he is,

903
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: to me among this entire list, one of the clearest

904
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: coaches that if he doesn't make the playoffs, he doesn't

905
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: have a job next year. I think there's this, there's

906
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: no scenario. I'll vote obviously, as he's out and you

907
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: want the one and two if they have a down year,

908
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: and obviously they're going to turn things over to Lamar Jackson,

909
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: it makes uh simplistic sense that you would want a

910
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: QB who really knows how to bring the kid along. Right,

911
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: So John Harbaugh, you vote. I vote John Harbors. I

912
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: have a McDermott goes on Ivo McDermott tooth. You can

913
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: also say the Bills would want to turn around and

914
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: find someone to grue in their young quarterback as well,

915
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: I mean gets fired. But I you make very good

916
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: points over on the Kissing Cousins table on Slightly Passion. No, honestly,

917
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're saying. I agree with you.

918
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 1: I just think cardball, we don't think one of the

919
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: best coaches in the league is getting fired that check,

920
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 1: And Gregg pointed out, he'll he'll get hired of division

921
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: right away. So we're talking about that he's a good

922
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: head coach and he'll get hired soon, But you're talking

923
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: about who's on the hot seat games and that's a

924
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: high bar. But I think inherent in this discussion is

925
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: how we predict that teams are gonna do this year.

926
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: And I predict the Ravens are gonna do well and

927
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: the Bills are gonna do awful. Number two seed Vance

928
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: Joseph and number fifteen seed John Gruden. Who could be

929
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: safer than John Gruden who just on a ten year,

930
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: a million, hundred million dollar contract all guaranteed. Mark Sessler,

931
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, this feels like we're gonna have

932
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: to take some of these and and breaze through. I

933
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: immediately would vote for Vance Joseph in this situation. And

934
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: this is no man next to brand sends football. They're

935
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: keeping Gruden so that they can move to Vegas one.

936
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: There were there were murmurs that Vance Joseph would be

937
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: a one and done guy, but Elway wants to see

938
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: that through. But he will not survive another bed here,

939
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: I think let's move on. Un Marvin Lewis, who has

940
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: been in Cincinnati since two thousand three. That checks out?

941
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: My god, uh And there's never won a playoff game

942
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: that checks out? Okay uh? And the number ten seat

943
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: a new coach, our first new coach. And these ones

944
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: are tough, but there are one. It done a lot.

945
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: Mike Rabel of the Titans West, where do you come

946
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: down on this? Well? I think this is gonna be

947
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis's first ever tournament win. He's gonna be one.

948
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: And oh here in this bracket, it's it's you know,

949
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: the a f C has some checky situations here when

950
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis is a seven seat, the same Marvin Lewis

951
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 1: who literally was reported to be fired by national reporters.

952
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: They said, wherever we had a whole show where we

953
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: talked about Marvin Lewis, they tied him up and threw

954
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: him in the river and he escaped. How many head

955
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: coaches do you want Marcus Mariota to have over the

956
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: course of his first He's not going. And I could

957
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: see Marvin Lewis making winning by retiring himself. I could

958
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: see him for five decades from now we'll look back,

959
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: or or our aunts or our our kid will look

960
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: back and say, how in a profession that most guys

961
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: get five minutes to prove themselves? Did Marvin Lewis hang

962
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 1: on to his gig? How do we keep that gig

963
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: that long? Hope? I just point to the owner. I hope,

964
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: like my granddaughter is asking me about Marvin Lewis, is

965
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: you know coaching? Tell me about how the ineffectual man

966
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: kept his job for a decade and a half. Number

967
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: three Have you seen the other coaches they went through there?

968
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 1: Number three seed Adam get So Marvin moves on Number

969
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: three seed Adam Gaze against fourteen Andy Reid. Andy Reid

970
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: ain't going nowhere and Gaze needs results shacked. This is

971
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: a no brainer. Boy, I don't. I don't think Adam Gaze.

972
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to conjure the path to him

973
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: getting fired out of Miami. But I suppose if Ryan

974
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: Tannehill's all flop and he really has pinned all his

975
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 1: hopes on seventeen, has Adam Gaze? Well? It makes sense

976
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: that when we spoke with Gaze at the owners meetings,

977
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: but also just his in general. The vibe of this

978
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,720
Speaker 1: offseason was that Adam Gaze and whatever figures and management

979
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: are doing certain things. Adam Gaze doesn't like. They just

980
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: did not seem to be on the same page. Maybe

981
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: that will change by now he's been dealt a roll

982
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: hand there. But for three years now it feels like

983
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: he's been trying to set a culture and you should

984
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: be beyond that. But I will never forget at the

985
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: in Orlando at the meetings when it was asked by

986
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: one of us, what what the Dolphins mean? What they represent?

987
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 1: And he didn't have an answer. He did not. Gaze

988
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: moves on number six seed Anthony Lynn against Frank Reich,

989
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: the first year coach in Indie. Uh, Frank Reich has

990
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck healthy on the field, Greg, that should be

991
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: enough to buy him at least a year. Right, we

992
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: should have almost made Frank Craik the sixteen seed because

993
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: if the Colts fired him after one year after he

994
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: took that job. You know when Nick Daniels didn't with

995
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: this lousy roster, like they should be sent the quarter

996
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: or something. Put Anthony Lynn. Well, if Josh McDaniel says,

997
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: all right, I'll take the gig, that would be awesome.

998
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: Let's move to the other side. Now one sixteen Dirk

999
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 1: Cutter v. Doug Peterson. Dirk moves on. Peterson just signed

1000
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: a contract this month. Also just won a Super Bowl. Again,

1001
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: like with Bellchecks, something else would have to happen, something unsavory.

1002
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: His book is on my radar. Usually these like we

1003
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: just won the Super Bowl, let's write a book. Books

1004
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: are terrible and are worth ignoring. But this Peterson one

1005
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: seems like it's got a lot of snack content. I

1006
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: think we need to check this out. Check here we go,

1007
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: and here's a nice eight nine matchup Pat Shermer. Oh yeah,

1008
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: I miss that's an eight seed. Uh, and he will

1009
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: be up against first year Bears coach Matt Negi. I

1010
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: think both of these guys fall into into the category

1011
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: of we don't know yet, Although we have seen Pat

1012
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: Shermer as the headman. Certain guys are cut out to

1013
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: be coordinators and other guys are meant to be head coaches.

1014
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean that the head coach is smarter.

1015
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: In fact, sometimes it means the exact opposite, that they're

1016
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: not as savvy with the xs and ohs, but they

1017
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: know how to lead a locker room of men. Kind

1018
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: of thing, Pat Shermer, that Tremer did not indicate that

1019
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: he was capable of that. Bill Belichick obviously, in his

1020
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: second turn did a little bit better than he did

1021
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: in his first go round. Matt Naggi has been kissed

1022
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: into genius category off of one season. We've seen that

1023
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: happen many times before and not H and not carry

1024
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: out beyond that one season. I'm gonna go with H

1025
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: with Pat Shermer here, hopes are high in New York I.

1026
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: The one thing I could see potentially happening in the

1027
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 1: science fiction like scenario for the Giants because Shermer probably

1028
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: I would say it's very safe. But if Bill Belichick

1029
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: ever got tired of the Patriots thing, the one team

1030
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 1: you always hear Belichick linked with is the Giants where

1031
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: he really started his career and became the Bill Belichick

1032
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: that we know. If that was ever a flip flop scenario,

1033
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 1: that's the one way Sherman, why would But if if

1034
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: the minimum would be next year for Belichick, who would

1035
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: go to a team with after their secon year old

1036
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: Eli Manning and no Arab? No, they would find a

1037
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: way to get a different quarterback. Yeah, the Bears brought

1038
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: in Naggie specifically to words work with Trabisky and run

1039
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 1: his offense during a one eighty from the previous regime.

1040
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: I think that's keeping him safe. Shermer's safe too, obviously,

1041
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: but well, I encourage everybody here on the Giant right

1042
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: now to look at their first eight games. It's not

1043
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: like a tough three week stretch. Look at their open

1044
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: the first half of their season. They will be very lucky.

1045
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: If they're three and five, they will exceed my expectation.

1046
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: And look at their quarterbacks game tape from the last

1047
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: couple of years. Here's a four third team matchup Mike

1048
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: McCarthy v. Sean Payton, two guys that we've seen constantly

1049
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Coach with the best track record that

1050
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: you could still see it somehow just blowing up in

1051
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 1: a crazy fashion. That said, I think Mike McCarthy, especially

1052
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: with the new GM, there is year to year right now,

1053
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 1: Sean Payton is probably the best playoffs, win playoff games.

1054
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: Then it's probably about I think McCarthy has gotten on

1055
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: the radar as someone that's held you and though I don't,

1056
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,959
Speaker 1: I think his track record is most people would settle

1057
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: for that coach you're getting reports that you could listen.

1058
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: This window on Aaron Rodgers is closing. Is this the

1059
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: right guy to do it? Because they keep getting close

1060
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: and then it doesn't happen. Like McCarthy, right, I think,

1061
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: I think he is the next thing they made change

1062
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: in Green. I think they might have to get to

1063
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: the NFC title game from Mike McCarthy to be saved.

1064
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: And for that reason alone, I will pound the table

1065
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: that this guy should be making a deep run in

1066
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: this tournament. So Mike McCarthy, I agree. I'm with you

1067
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: on McCarthy. It's one phone call from Aaron Rodgers. It's

1068
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: always a phone call to They can't do it face

1069
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 1: to face like but now he might. He might say

1070
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: to whoever will make the call ultimately, and it's enough

1071
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: with McCarthy. Can we get a new coach in here

1072
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 1: to work with in my final years? Sean Payton may

1073
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: do it himself because if Jason Garrett goes out of Dallas,

1074
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: then they will chase him and he'll choose to leave

1075
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: to uh leave New Orleans alright. Five twelve matchup Pete Carroll,

1076
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: as West said um and his one time defensive coordinator

1077
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn Quinn Uh two years removed from the Super Bowl,

1078
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll uh a few years removed from his last

1079
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and also the oldest coach in the NFL West.

1080
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: Where do you see on who do you see on

1081
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: this one? Well, Quinn just signed an extension a month

1082
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: ago and Pete Carroll is in charge of a rebuilding

1083
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 1: team going through a transition phase. And we've also heard

1084
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: on the day of Damnaschek Football program from Cliff April

1085
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: that locker room started already tuning him out after the

1086
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: Super Bowl played well play he beat me. I was

1087
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: gonna do that because I like name dropping. And that's

1088
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: what Cliff Avril said. Now somebody whose name I won't drop,

1089
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 1: who does know what he's talking about, though, has said

1090
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson has quietly his his agent has been quely

1091
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: trying to extract him from from Seattle anyway because he

1092
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: can see the demise of the would have been dynasty

1093
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: were it not from malch that's your that's your belichite

1094
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: quarterback for the Giants next year. Wow, that that would

1095
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: be a nice tandem. Uh So we're all good with

1096
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: Carol moving on. Okay, Next up two fifteen matchup, Jake Gruden.

1097
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: Uh is a two seed here with the Redskins, the

1098
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: longest tended Redskins coach in approximately a hundred years. Is

1099
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: that the era of the Dan Snyder era and Sean

1100
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: last Joe Gibbs two point Sean McVeigh. This is this

1101
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: is no brainer. Who is really one of the more

1102
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: enviable situations in the NFL is the Rams and their

1103
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: hedge coach. Uh situation right now? Gruden moves on right? Correct? Okay,

1104
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: seven ten match up Steve Wilkes down in Arizona. Things

1105
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: look a little better than they did around combine time,

1106
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: but Steve still Steve's got a lot of work to

1107
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: do down there. Matt Patricia the ten seed his first

1108
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: year with the Lions. Uh, Mark, you're shaking your head.

1109
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: I don't like this because we have to pick, and

1110
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: this is really a rarity in the NFL. Someone to

1111
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: be out after one season and I don't see it either.

1112
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: But I would have to go Steve Wilkes of the two,

1113
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: just because Matt Patricia has made a big impression on

1114
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: me this offseason. I don't have an impression of Steve Wilkes.

1115
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: Have you forgotten that Patricia has made his players run

1116
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: that that could do it too. He could be out

1117
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: there was an ugly story involving Patricia to that. We

1118
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: don't know the details and all that stuff, but I

1119
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: wonder where that sits with the organization, even though they

1120
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: stood by him. But they're both unlike that. They're tandem

1121
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: with a really bad season. Would be would fair enough.

1122
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: Patricia and the GM are very very tight. We don't

1123
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: know what's happening with the Cardinals GM after this season either,

1124
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: and we just don't And and it's a first year

1125
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: coach who's his support system if that, if that goes down,

1126
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna vote. I'm gonna go Patricia, just because we

1127
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: don't have a single upset UH in the first round,

1128
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: which makes sense because we did the seed, you know,

1129
00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: so it's almost hard for upsets to happen. But it's

1130
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: just for the sake of it, just to prevent you know,

1131
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: next year's better is from taking all favorites in the

1132
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: first By the way, to West's point, if part of

1133
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 1: this is an evaluation of how good we or bad

1134
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: at we think a team might be, you guys have

1135
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: team of a t N damnit shicks. Pick the true sleeper,

1136
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: not one like the Niners where a lot of people

1137
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: are jumping on them this year a true sleeper. The

1138
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions are gonna are gonna make a real playoff

1139
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: push hear me? Now? Believe is that? Oh yeah, West

1140
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: and I connected on that over the weekend. So you

1141
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: got your voting, voting Wilkes. Then I'm going will I

1142
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: mean I neither one's gonna get we need an upset

1143
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: Patricia moves on fairly for upset purposes. Suddenly the Lions

1144
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,439
Speaker 1: will care about not being mediocre. That's what we're saying.

1145
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: Got three fourteen Jason Garrett the three seed, Mike Zimmer

1146
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: a fourteen seed. Zimmer the only thing I'd say here,

1147
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: And I think Garrett's the obvious guy as long as

1148
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: he's been there. He's a little teflon, but still you

1149
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: would think he really needs to do something this year.

1150
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: Super high exp pitatitions in Minnesota. I don't think that

1151
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: leads to Mike's never getting fired, but it's basically a

1152
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: Super Bowl or bust, which has to be a little

1153
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: bit uncomfortable for any coach. But there's also always unreasonable

1154
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: expectations in Dallas. And the one thing I'd say in

1155
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: Garrett from Jason Garrett. Well, but that that's that's right,

1156
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: because they viewed Garrett and it was this old out

1157
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: of beer report where they've been, you know, putting him.

1158
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: They've been working on him since he was a backup

1159
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: quarterback to Aikman, and he's a family member. They've invested

1160
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: all this in him, and he survived multiple nuclear blast

1161
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: because of it, and he's not an easy guy to

1162
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: imagine getting fired unless they totally create her and lose

1163
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: players forever in the off season. I don't know if

1164
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 1: they all have another irrelevant season, which they likely shouldn't

1165
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: given Jason Garrett's weird track record, which is not week

1166
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: to week or month a month, it's year to year,

1167
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: one year good, one year bad. And that's how it

1168
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: goes with Jason Garrett's Cowboys. If this is enough, if

1169
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: this is a back to back mediocre or down season,

1170
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: I think they'll show Garrett the door and chase a

1171
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: big name guy like Sean Payton or Jim Harbaugh, who

1172
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: knows who else. I think we're all in agreement there. Finally,

1173
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,479
Speaker 1: the last matchup in the first round in the NFC

1174
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: Ron rivera sixth seed against Kyle Shanahan and San Francisco. Uh,

1175
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: check your thoughts on this. I mean it's gotta be

1176
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera. I mean he is. I nice defensive pieces,

1177
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: we know, but I I obviously bang the table more

1178
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: than anyone on the face of the earth. I think

1179
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 1: at this point, for for Cam Newton, is he crying already?

1180
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: That's like the playoff music, Cam Newton, I mean Ron

1181
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: Rivera is the main reason that he is perceived to

1182
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: be a good head coach is because of Cam new

1183
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: reason the Panthers win games that they shouldn't win is

1184
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 1: because of Cam new But these games they shouldn't lose

1185
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: because of Cam? What about their defense? Defense has been solid.

1186
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: The defense is the only reason he's even this highest

1187
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: seed is because there's a new owner. There's a GM

1188
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: who was temporary and now as permanent, but was the

1189
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: old gel And it's just like you, you think, new owner,

1190
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: new new group. If things don't go well so well,

1191
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: the Falcons Saints could both be double digit winners and

1192
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: that would presumably knocked down the Panthers record and maybe

1193
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: that equals his departure. All right, Rivera moves on, Let's

1194
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: go back to be on your radar mark. We're any

1195
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: good n c a tournament. It's going to take about

1196
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: a month to complete. So Hugh Jackson and Bill O'Brien

1197
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: now in the next round, Uh, you know what, you

1198
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: know what it is? I just thought of it. He

1199
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: has that he has that room reserved downstairs Bark twelve

1200
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:38,439
Speaker 1: minutes from now. Mark Mark, in a very clever move,

1201
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: there's been this, you know, abandoned office from someone who was,

1202
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: let's be honest, swept out of the company. It's just

1203
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: been a great corner office been sitting there and at

1204
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: various times you see you know, reserved for you know,

1205
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: Gareth Crosby or whatever from certain data, different names. And

1206
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: Mark made his own little version of it today without

1207
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: asking well and just said reserve three three to try

1208
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: to create a nice cushion here. The show typically would

1209
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: end like after the second time you said it, Man,

1210
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: this is gonna take a long time. During the show,

1211
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, this is really is thinking about that.

1212
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: By the third time, I was like, something's going on here,

1213
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: and we're about to end at the latest time we

1214
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: have ever ended this podcast in six years. So that

1215
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: room you're gonna have, that MS gonna be in there.

1216
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 1: You're probably gonna have to blame check because he went about,

1217
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, twenty minutes over his time in the studio

1218
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: before us. Well, the set in a tournament first this segment,

1219
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: let's see that if the segment can't pull out the

1220
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: upset here, if only we had time for the important

1221
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: philosophical question. I asked your Patriots fan friend over there,

1222
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthalf, don't you want I'm asking it to you.

1223
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: Don't you want? If you're a Brady lover, let's go

1224
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: to five PM. Maybe maybe we're done when maybe maybe

1225
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: we don't end til the cloak and night drops. Now

1226
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: listen to me, I said to Rosenthalf, you're a Tom

1227
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: Brady lover, don't you want the season after he retires

1228
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: for them to go seven and nine? Because if they

1229
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: have double digit wins and don't skip a beat, that

1230
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: puts a dent in the Brady. Yes it does. First

1231
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: of all, that debate has been over for a couple

1232
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: of years. Second of all, if you're a fan, you've

1233
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: got nothing to worry. What is it? What? What? Why

1234
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: would you worry about what the team's doing the next year.

1235
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: He's already the greatest quarterback of all time. And if

1236
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: you're a Brady fan, your Patriots fan. Is this about

1237
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: Terry Bradshaw again? Did you reach out to Will will Brinson,

1238
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: a good friend of the show who you're scheduled to

1239
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: do a hit with for his Pick six podcast? Did

1240
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: you communicate with waiting for response? Do we want to

1241
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: get Will on the phone? Just? I think that would

1242
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: add I'll lay out in favor of Brinston. He stops, Uh,

1243
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: we love Will, Okay, Hugh Verst, Bob, Bill O'Brien again.

1244
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 1: I think Bill O'Brien's a dark horse here. In fact,

1245
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna now make the case. Uh and West, you

1246
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: give me the look? Well he is? He was like

1247
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: team I know, but honestly, here's here's my Hugh Jackson take. Yes,

1248
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: like Stacy Aman both at the floor. He's got Larry

1249
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: Johnson before the back entry in a hot tub. I'm sure.

1250
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 1: Here here's the take one in fifteen oh and sixteen.

1251
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: The team keeps him around. They decide we still believe

1252
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: in this guy, or maybe we just don't want to

1253
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: make another change. We're gonna stick stick with you. He's

1254
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: gonna jump in the lake and we're gonna do a

1255
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 1: premium cable and we're gonna rebuild him, his his image

1256
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: and the team's image. What does Hugh really have to

1257
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: do to prove that he's moving the team in the

1258
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: right direction. I I argue it probably is winning four games,

1259
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: four or five games, which is not a high bar

1260
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: to me with a team that has talent, which is

1261
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: brown two team does so. While I obviously agree that

1262
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 1: Hugh has a hot butt in a lot of ways,

1263
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: I have to say that Bill O'Brien, to me, this

1264
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 1: is the upset of the tournament. I'm voting, Oh Brian,

1265
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: he's the guy to keep an eye on making the

1266
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,439
Speaker 1: cinderall run. I'm gonna say he's got a hotter butt

1267
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: right now. No coaching NFL is signed through a later

1268
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: date than Bill O'Brien. O'Brien pulled some game of throne stuff.

1269
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: There was a lot of want going on with the

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01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 1: former general manager who's still in the organization. Actually there's

1271
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: a lot going on. So I just think he made

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01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: the power play he wanted. He's going to be the

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01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 1: only counter is I would say Hugh Jackson did the

1274
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: same exact thing. He got rid of that general manager

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01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: the same way that Bill O'Brien did. He wanted, he

1276
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: won a power strom it to get a raise and

1277
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: a new I hear you with that. I still think

1278
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: billionaires are gonna pay our contracts if they have a

1279
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: chance at a better coach. They don't. How many coaches

1280
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: are have three years of the contract paid up because

1281
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 1: they're a disaster. I don't. I don't see how Bill O'Brien,

1282
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: who lost votes to Doug marone minutes ago, many minutes ago,

1283
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: like just how do you? How do you do that?

1284
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 1: And then say he's gonna knock off Hugh Jackson. That

1285
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 1: feels a little cute to me. It's cute, and that

1286
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: doesn't matter because that's you know what I call it hubris. Yes,

1287
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: I'm going cute and correction. Jon Gruden has signed alonger

1288
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 1: than him. And by the way, when you have Greg

1289
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: Williams in the building, how they don't just turn the

1290
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: keys over to that gym? He likes to swear everybody

1291
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: it's hilarious. Could be Todd Haley. I think I think

1292
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 1: they should make a rule. You know how if you

1293
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, you're exempt from hard knocks. I think

1294
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: if you hire Greg Williams next year, your exempt from

1295
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 1: He'll get his seven up, then he'll get his seven offers.

1296
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: He talked about Todd Bowles, so he moves on Todd

1297
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: Bowles and John Harbaugh. Uh, this is a good one. Check.

1298
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with Harbaugh here, even though I do

1299
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: think that they have a playoff run in twenty eighteen

1300
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 1: in them. If things get sideways, like I said, I

1301
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 1: think the biggest factor is Aussie being out. You don't

1302
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 1: know what the what the new guys gonna want, as

1303
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: we always here, that's one of the oldest cliches they've

1304
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: been grooming. Eric to co has been there. The assumption

1305
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 1: is that he's going to take over. But the but,

1306
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: but the notion that always when you when when you

1307
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 1: when somebody takes that position, then they want their guy,

1308
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 1: and you don't know that that would be I think

1309
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: that those two with John here's the thing, this is

1310
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: the scenario where Hardball wouldn't make the playoffs. I don't

1311
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: really have any faith in my ability to predict how

1312
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: they do. And if they don't make the playoffs, then

1313
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 1: he is a good coach. But I don't know if

1314
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: he's one of the best coaches in the league. If

1315
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: he's with the Ravens organization and he goes five and eleven,

1316
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 1: eight and eight, nine and seven, and then missed the

1317
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 1: playoff again this year. That's a bad where the Jets

1318
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: in the Ravens firebon Harball, I take John Harbor as

1319
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 1: my coach in two seconds. I mean Todd Todd Bowles

1320
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 1: has He's hung around, but he's not a vastly improved

1321
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 1: this team, and neither has that front office decided having

1322
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 1: Sam Donald land them B and H and mcagnet in

1323
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: a weird position because they are in the third year

1324
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: of a rebuild essentially. Uh And I think that uh

1325
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: if Sam Donald looks good, I think it could actually

1326
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:55,600
Speaker 1: buy Bowls another year, even without playoffs, Whereas Harball, I

1327
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: think it's player of playoffs are bus So I say

1328
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: Hardball moves on. What's my vote? I got Harbor on

1329
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 1: the n I t'ong in this tournament. I vote for Bulls.

1330
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:08,839
Speaker 1: Moving on, I I strongly vote for Bulls. The Ravens

1331
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 1: fancy themselves as one of the tent pole franchises in

1332
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 1: the NFL, and then here and they know they have

1333
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:16,719
Speaker 1: one of the best coaches in there. But four years

1334
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 1: of of not appearing in January might and things happen roster.

1335
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 1: Oh and then comes down to Greg whoa horble on?

1336
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: Oh this is highly unbelievable. Are you a great coach?

1337
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: Gets no respect? It's not. It has nothing to do

1338
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: with it, does Um? Vance Joseph against Marvin Lewis? Mark Sessler, Mark,

1339
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: you're still here? Um? I go Vance Joseph. I just

1340
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: think that a lot has to happen right in Denver,

1341
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 1: and part of that would be Vance Joseph convincing this

1342
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 1: team that he's the guy that can maximize both sides

1343
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 1: of the ball, not just his little specialty on defense.

1344
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Vance. I think that always draft class,

1345
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 1: he did a great job, but his ongoing issues with

1346
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: the offensive line and quarterback will end up dooming his

1347
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 1: head coach. The nifty offensive weapons that Andy has for

1348
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: himself there in Cincinnati once again, notwithstanding, if that offensive

1349
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 1: line doesn't take care of fourteen, that team is doomed

1350
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 1: and the worst of all fates finishing behind the Cleveland Browns.

1351
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,600
Speaker 1: That is a realistic possibility that would be enough to

1352
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 1: end the Marv tenure. Right go and Marv, it's still

1353
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:32,639
Speaker 1: alive here. I'm gonna go Vance Joseph, because if if

1354
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis can do anything let's keep a job and

1355
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: just based on this prior track record, this is kind

1356
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: of the year they sneak up on some people, you know,

1357
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: right after he escapes by keeping his Adam gaze the

1358
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 1: Anthony Lynn that's a that's a good one. This is

1359
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 1: a tough matchup. I think it's definitely gays. I don't

1360
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 1: think it's that hard for me, just because of the turmoil. Now,

1361
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put it pass Gates from winning some sort

1362
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 1: of power struggle and the front office gets sent out

1363
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:08,440
Speaker 1: and he stays. But Anthony Lynn, he's got good coordinators,

1364
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:11,679
Speaker 1: he's got a good roster, he's set up to be solid.

1365
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 1: He's only a second year head coach. I guess it's

1366
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 1: partly wishful thinking, but I don't want to see a

1367
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 1: scenario that he'd have some disastrous season and that's the

1368
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 1: only way he'd be on the hot seat is a

1369
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 1: disastrous scene. If both of these teams won eight and eight,

1370
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:26,600
Speaker 1: for instance, I trust Anthony Lynn making it back for

1371
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: another year old one on one organizational thing. I think

1372
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 1: if they are all in on Anthony Lynn inside the building,

1373
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: they love him because this is a team that's going

1374
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 1: through a weird couple of years and you want that

1375
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: right guy, and it may be hard to get someone

1376
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 1: else to come into that situation. So I think it's gay. Unfortunately.

1377
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 1: I think it's weird to me that society seems to

1378
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 1: have forgotten that the Dolphins team made a playoff run

1379
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 1: and they finished it up with Matt Moore and who

1380
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 1: knows what would have happened at seventeen stayed healthy and

1381
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 1: on the trip to Pittsburgh and the wild card round.

1382
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 1: As it is, ga Gaze, Is that a watch out

1383
01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:02,719
Speaker 1: for seventeen on the road in the playoffs? Everyone traight

1384
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 1: to that, you know, listen, that was that was That

1385
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: was a very quiet playoff team that people have forgotten. No,

1386
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 1: they were not a good team. Adam Case was a

1387
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,560
Speaker 1: Coach of the Year candidate that year. Are like the

1388
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 1: Bills who made it last ye team? The Dolphins were

1389
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: a tick better than the seventeen Bills. Either way, it's

1390
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: a great what if everyone's been saying ever since. Imagine

1391
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 1: if seventhof Alright, listen, I'm going gaze because this is

1392
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 1: he's put his stamp on this. He purged the big

1393
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 1: name guys who he didn't want to as he has

1394
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 1: said quietly to some people. I didn't like babysitting some guys.

1395
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 1: Now he's purged the guys who he needed the babysit.

1396
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: If that doesn't work in ten, then he'll be gone

1397
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 1: back to the NFC. Dirk verse Shermer, Dirk. Come on,

1398
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 1: let's move on there, Mark quickly moving on? Were uh

1399
01:12:55,560 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy again? Vote McCarthy already made my my statement

1400
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 1: that they have to win a lot of games, including

1401
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: playoff games, A tricky match. Hotter seat. It's it's interest, like,

1402
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 1: what are we actually voting on? Who has the hotter seat?

1403
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 1: To me, that's McCarthy. Even if I was picking who's

1404
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 1: more likely to be gone next year, that's maybe a

1405
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 1: different question. McCarthy has a has a hotter seat, Carol.

1406
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 1: I think the ownership there, they love him. They're there

1407
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 1: behind what they're doing here with the rebuild. And so

1408
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to McCarthy. Gregg can bend the entire room

1409
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 1: to his cause. On Mike McCarthy. Maybe he can also

1410
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: have been the Pecker's front office. So I've got a

1411
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 1: McCarthy too, Pete, Carol. If we look at his track record,

1412
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,600
Speaker 1: what was his last stop USC he didn't stay. He

1413
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: didn't He wasn't the last man on the ship there.

1414
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 1: He jumped off off. His team is going down. He's

1415
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 1: gonna get out of Carroll, believe But to the what

1416
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 1: to the cause of what the whole segments about al

1417
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: goil McCarthy, Drew didn't the Patricia J. Gruden, j you

1418
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: gotta go Jay. That's a walk off. They're probably gonna

1419
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: have every position get injured again. Jason Garrett against Ron Rivera,

1420
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:07,640
Speaker 1: what a sexy matchup. I'm going with Garrett. I think

1421
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: Garrett's gotta win. I'm going Garrett. I'm going Garrett to

1422
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 1: although I do think that the defense might be halfway

1423
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 1: decent this year. Fact, I mean, if they get Earl Thomas,

1424
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 1: then it uh it will be one of the best

1425
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: in the NFC. They've got some piece definitely at least

1426
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 1: be more interesting. Their loves those linebackers they've got Jalen

1427
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 1: Smith looks dandy. All of a sudden, I think Garrett

1428
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 1: might be running into Princeton's Pete kill here upset city.

1429
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to him the face off against Riverboat

1430
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 1: and Garrett. As much as the media likes to talk

1431
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: about his job being in trouble. I have never once

1432
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 1: heard Jerry Jones say that Jason No. I think he

1433
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,759
Speaker 1: loves true. I think he loves Jason Garrett because Garrett

1434
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: just he's in his place. And that's okay. Like I'm

1435
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 1: not demeaning Jason Garrett, but I'm just saying it's different

1436
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: to be the coach of the Cowboys than another team.

1437
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: And Jerry Jones, like, I want to Bill Parcel, you

1438
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 1: convinced me. I'm now going, I'm going to attention is

1439
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 1: oxygen for the those Cowboys. If they're irrelevant again, they

1440
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: have to purge. You go, I go. Garrett Bear is

1441
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 1: going to take the kit Panthers to a plot tiebreaker.

1442
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm going, Jason Garrett. So we got three Garrets that

1443
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 1: that's that would win out of five. Eagles are gonna

1444
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 1: be good. And if I'm wrong about the Giants again,

1445
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 1: that knocks down another team. Those are four games on

1446
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,599
Speaker 1: their schedule. There. Can you imagine how long we would

1447
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 1: have been here if we didn't have a fifth person? Though,

1448
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 1: imagine the tiebreaker would well? I think to your point,

1449
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: your point is that check has made almost possibly a minute.

1450
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:36,719
Speaker 1: Brevity is the soloists literally the longest non season podcast.

1451
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 1: We've ever had it's kind and we walked into this

1452
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 1: with it with zero non tiebreaker option. The train This

1453
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 1: would be a train wreck scenario from outer space. There

1454
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 1: would be no way to solve this. We'd have to

1455
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 1: call Naby each time. All right, here we go. This

1456
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 1: is the final four, Final eight Hubs Hardball. You, oh,

1457
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:04,679
Speaker 1: Greg's Greg, your little dream died right there. The hard

1458
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 1: feelings that are going on here. Yeah, I'm gonna vote.

1459
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna vote for hard just to thank you. That

1460
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: is wildly absurd. We should do this every show. Uh,

1461
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 1: find out mark schedule ahead of time, and then just

1462
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 1: set it up about ninety minutes before. Like, it doesn't

1463
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,680
Speaker 1: have to be the hot hot but but some sort

1464
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: of thirty Let's find a way to start the show

1465
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 1: forty seven minutes late and then you know, careen into

1466
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 1: a hundred and seventeen minute episode and see how that

1467
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 1: wrapping his foot with his arms crossed. They all piste

1468
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 1: off Van's Joseph against Adam Gaze. Now we're talking about

1469
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 1: the big who's again. This is not who's gonna get fired.

1470
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 1: This is who enters this season with a hotter butt

1471
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 1: right now? Gaze or Joseph. I'm voting Joseph. I think

1472
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 1: he needs to he needs results after what was. I'm

1473
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 1: with you, I think he was he was. He left

1474
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 1: last season is one of the hottest butts and it

1475
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 1: didn't change much the Broncos. It's they're almost overlooked for

1476
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 1: how great an organization they've been compared to some others.

1477
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 1: They have not had back to back losing seasons since

1478
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 1: in more than forty five years. That's unbelievable before right,

1479
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 1: and like they had that little run with Jake Plumber

1480
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 1: where they're pretty mediocre. But so if they had two

1481
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 1: back to back bad seasons and I can see that

1482
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 1: happen as Joseph, John Alway's job is safe. Right, we

1483
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 1: all agree, no matter what, this coach is gonna perhaps

1484
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 1: lose his head because the guy who thought that Paxton

1485
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 1: Lynch in case Keenum was was the solution to what

1486
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 1: ails them. I'm voting I'm going underdog. Oh Joseph. Yeah,

1487
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: we got four one on that one, but that I

1488
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 1: get because Case is in a similarly difficult situation. I

1489
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:58,680
Speaker 1: have zero confidence in the Dolphins to do anything. I mean,

1490
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: anyone left in this and him should be on shaky

1491
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 1: ground right, If not, what we're doing here? Absolutely all right?

1492
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 1: Here we go on the NFC side. Dirt Cutter again

1493
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:09,759
Speaker 1: the Bucks. One of the biggest busts of last season.

1494
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:13,879
Speaker 1: He sticks around Jameis Winston. There's some drama with Winston

1495
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 1: and Dirk, their relationship. Winston suspended for off the field shenanigans.

1496
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 1: Uh So here we are Dirt Cutter against Mike McCarthy again,

1497
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 1: facing a lot of pressure this season. What do we got, Well,

1498
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 1: Dirk Cutters one his primary gig in taking over there

1499
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 1: was to bring along the franchise QB. How's that looking

1500
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:37,639
Speaker 1: right now? It's Cutter, Yeah, that was his charge. Well, yeah,

1501
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 1: he's been The thing is they have had continuity with him.

1502
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:42,560
Speaker 1: He's been there for four years, right, he was the

1503
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 1: coordinator for Jamis Winstons prove consistency in and of itself

1504
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:49,480
Speaker 1: is not all. They were one of the most disappointing

1505
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 1: teams last year and they look like they're about to

1506
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 1: be even more disappointing this year. Start to the season two.

1507
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 1: I think they have potential. If it wasn't. The suspension

1508
01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 1: is definitely a downer, but not for what he for defense, yeah,

1509
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 1: I think, but not for what he's known for and

1510
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 1: you don't have. I think they could light it up offensively,

1511
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 1: tons of yards, a great season for wins. But either

1512
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 1: well then he shouldn't be a number one seed in

1513
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 1: this tournament. If that's how we feel about Dirk Hutter,

1514
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 1: I mean, upsets happened. That's that's a rugged division. I

1515
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,640
Speaker 1: think he has seed, but they could put up like

1516
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:23,600
Speaker 1: an incredible offensive fire show with that group. Or I

1517
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 1: think both men have blazing butts, but Dirk probably just

1518
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 1: because the nature of how poorly things went last year.

1519
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: Al Right on the opposite side, Jay Gruden versus Jason Garrett,

1520
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 1: I just like everyone to know that so far our

1521
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 1: bracket is playing out exactly two seed. Well, yeah, that's

1522
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 1: why when we were arguing about seeds yesterday, I was like, wait,

1523
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 1: this is why. Well, without any visual elements for the

1524
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 1: listener will be we'll be out of the woods on

1525
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: that one. I can't see what the seeding is. We

1526
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 1: don't know that. They don't need to know that. I've been.

1527
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:01,600
Speaker 1: I've been. Each guy who gave their seats for the

1528
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 1: listeners appreciate that. I can't believe John Gruden's brother has

1529
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 1: had a headman gig as long as he has. It's

1530
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 1: enough already he's a good coach. I think he's done.

1531
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the toughest worst head coaching

1532
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 1: jobs in professional football. He's done about as well or

1533
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 1: better than anyone with it. This is gonna see, really,

1534
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:26,679
Speaker 1: Alex Smith wins football games. Look at every year since

1535
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 1: his uh end of his Niners days. I think he's

1536
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 1: gonna make them competitive. I don't know if they're gonna

1537
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 1: win a playoff game or make the playoffs, but I

1538
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 1: think they'll win eight to ten games, and I think

1539
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 1: Gruden will survive because of that. So I think Garrett

1540
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 1: is my vote. All right? Can I say one thing

1541
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 1: about that? In a world of alleged QB whispers, Andy

1542
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 1: Reid is in fact one and that's why Alex Smith thrived.

1543
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how long he can ride things out

1544
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 1: with Jake Grum was solid when he was finished off

1545
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 1: with Jim Harbaugh, Yeah he was. Jim Harbaugh came in

1546
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 1: and magically he turned around another guy who offensive and

1547
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 1: who have his offensive coordinator has been? Who jud they've been?

1548
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh, right, did he have that? Kyle Shanahan was gone.

1549
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan. He was gone, wasn't he by the time

1550
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 1: Jake out there? Okay, So Sean McVeigh, pretty good coach.

1551
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 1: Do we think Alex Smith has fallen off a cliff now?

1552
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 1: At age thirty four? Is pretty I think he'll be fine.

1553
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 1: I just don't know that that the Skins are gonna

1554
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 1: do enough in that divasion that Jay Gruden inspires another

1555
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 1: year you're gonna go, Griden. We keep saying it's entering

1556
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 1: the season, so in theory what happened during the season

1557
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 1: almost doesn't matter. And right now, in terms of just

1558
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 1: pressure to perform on good group, I'm with you again.

1559
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 1: The Cowboys have never said we want Garrett out of there,

1560
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 1: and we can say the Gruden and the Skins are

1561
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 1: gonna win nine games. There's like twelve teams in the

1562
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 1: NFC that look like they're gonna win nine games right now.

1563
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 1: It's true, Jay, we'll have a soft landing spot as

1564
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 1: the next coach of the Cincinnati Bengals. There you go,

1565
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 1: all right? Now the Final four here we are, Mark.

1566
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 1: This is where it gets real fun. This is traumatic.

1567
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 1: Five days off before the Final Four. Though. On the

1568
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:07,839
Speaker 1: a f C side, Hugh Jackson of the Cleveland Browns

1569
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 1: the number one seed against Vance Joseph. It played the

1570
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,640
Speaker 1: seed he survives. He's the number two seed of the

1571
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 1: Broncos hu versus Vance. Who's your pick? I might go

1572
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 1: Vance Joseph here. I mean it's how does Hugh Jackson

1573
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 1: have a head coaching job in after if they go?

1574
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 1: If they go seven and nine, then I don't think

1575
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 1: that's good enough even I think I think given the talk,

1576
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: given the hype, and given the exposure, that probably does

1577
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 1: not represent him all that well. From hard knocks, I

1578
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 1: think all that amounts to Hugh being out. I also

1579
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 1: think the timeline of when John Dorsey was hired in

1580
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 1: Hugh jack when they essentially decided to keep Hugh Jackson

1581
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 1: before that is a big factor. And I do think

1582
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 1: John Dorsey is gonna gain power if he doesn't have

1583
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 1: it already. He has has ms here and I think

1584
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: it might take like seven wins, and that's tough. They

1585
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 1: could do that. If they win six or seven games

1586
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 1: would be tough to time. It depends what those but

1587
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to I say Vance for all the reasons

1588
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 1: from that were stated earlier. That's too too. The dead lock,

1589
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 1: This one's easy. I don't buy Hugh Jackson. I don't

1590
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 1: think some of his players by him, and I don't

1591
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 1: think some of his coaching staff by him. It's Hugh Jackson.

1592
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 1: You moves to the finals. You can't just imagine Todd Haley,

1593
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 1: you know, with the Brown's head set on, you know,

1594
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 1: like being the head coach and week twelve or something.

1595
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 1: It just seems like something that could happen, all right,

1596
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:39,679
Speaker 1: And who will face you, Dirk Cutter or Jake Ruden again,

1597
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,839
Speaker 1: It's easy for me, but I'll listen to any other options.

1598
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 1: Dirk Cutter, Dirk Cutter, Dirk what I I just think

1599
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 1: that Dirk Cutter was maybe they would make for an

1600
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 1: interesting finals, to be honest. Weird name for a baby

1601
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 1: to Dirk, Yes, unless unless it's like the year how

1602
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 1: annoying was normal? Todd Haley, your former offensive coordinator, to

1603
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 1: kind of stole your bit and use it on a

1604
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 1: national platform and hard knocks and now people do the

1605
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 1: glory for the baby names that are kind of old. Yeah,

1606
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 1: but I got him right back because I took to

1607
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 1: Twitter and I said, a weird name for a baby

1608
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 1: is Todd, So take that Todd alright here. I just

1609
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 1: want to circle back to the whole, like Brady, you know,

1610
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 1: please do like if it was it Hoyer, What if

1611
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: Brian Hoyer where the head were the starting quarterback with

1612
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 1: the Patriots when they win the division this year? You

1613
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 1: know what? You can listen to the tail end of

1614
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 1: the Dave Damask football program to find out exactly what

1615
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 1: everyone thinks, and honestly you can you can say, all Fish,

1616
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 1: that doesn't seem I'll go Derek, by the way, I

1617
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 1: agree that it's not right that I did. Office is

1618
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:56,800
Speaker 1: unfair to Fish. All right. Here we are in the

1619
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 1: finals now a pair of one seeds. Do you say,

1620
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 1: oh not a surprise? Isn't that what you want in

1621
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 1: the n c A tournament? Though the two best to

1622
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 1: two seeds lost in the final four? I mean, people

1623
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 1: got what they want drama, alright, Hugh Jackson against Dirk

1624
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 1: Cutter for all the marbles. Who has the hottest butt

1625
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 1: entering Week one? We've talked as much as we need

1626
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 1: to talk about anybody. A simple vote right now, I'm

1627
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 1: gonna say, I'm gonna talk anyways. Oh my god, that

1628
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: was the most That was the most predictable thing. M

1629
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 1: fee I tried, Jack, I mean, well, it's just the

1630
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:44,760
Speaker 1: here's the thing with Duck though, you're right, it's a

1631
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:46,720
Speaker 1: little if you're at like a nice you're right, at

1632
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 1: a nice restaurant that's sort of like a reliable go

1633
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 1: to that's always going to be a B plus. That

1634
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 1: was kind of my point. I'm talking discussing you said

1635
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 1: it was the best. Okay, the hottest seat includes the

1636
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 1: pressure coming from the owners. The Bucks owners are paying

1637
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:05,599
Speaker 1: attention in their Premier League teams. They're pretty hands off,

1638
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 1: like that's part of the reason I think Dick Cutter

1639
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 1: still has a job. So that's why Hugh Jackson, that's

1640
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:14,639
Speaker 1: exactly right in that part of the country, SEC is king,

1641
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,720
Speaker 1: not NFL CAMPBA Bay does not have the heat on it.

1642
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 1: Ironic given where it's located. It is in Cleveland where

1643
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 1: the seat is hot, and Hugh Jackson has no change.

1644
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 1: I'd agree also, because we've talked about this, that the

1645
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 1: Browns have morphed into a national team at this point.

1646
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 1: The Bucks couldn't be anything farther from that. And maybe

1647
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 1: if the ownership is absent or not looking or not caring,

1648
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 1: not that they I don't know that personally, maybe they

1649
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: care a lot. Who knows there's a lot of money invested,

1650
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 1: but let's you can see the bucks there. You can

1651
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:44,880
Speaker 1: see the bucks going four and twelve, and somehow they

1652
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 1: just keep the whole thing together for some odd reason,

1653
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: the way they did just months ago. James looked good

1654
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:52,639
Speaker 1: in that one game in early December. This season could

1655
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 1: go sideways in a hurry for Dirk with the three

1656
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 1: game suspension, the three the toughest three games schedule to

1657
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 1: start the season of any team. I could see that happening.

1658
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 1: This is the first Hugh matchup that I don't think

1659
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 1: it's a blowout, but I still think that Hugh is

1660
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,640
Speaker 1: the hottest button in the game. So there you go.

1661
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:13,720
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson has the hottest butt in the NFL entering

1662
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 1: the season. And before we go, Mark Sessler, I'm just

1663
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 1: stunned by the results. I I don't know how we

1664
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 1: got here, but there we are. You ready, in one

1665
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 1: shining moment, it's all on the line, unshining moment, frozen

1666
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:46,720
Speaker 1: in tom That was Luther Vandross that was you. You

1667
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 1: sounded a lot like that was and they said and

1668
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 1: over that. For the video consumer, they're going to see

1669
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:59,640
Speaker 1: a montage of of epic failures by Jamis and by

1670
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 1: the team that that is kind enough to Uh to

1671
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 1: football fans out there who may not be Wait, which

1672
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:07,679
Speaker 1: one is the Browns? Oh, it's the one who's pants

1673
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 1: a Browns on them. Alright. Uh been nice seven you hear, David,

1674
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 1: been a pleasure to have you. Check you You've settled

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Speaker 1: important matters and we appreciate you. And check out the

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Speaker 1: Dave Damn Check Football program. Also, he's in cahoots over

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Speaker 1: there without dam Corolla on the Good Sport podcast. Don't

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Speaker 1: forget Dave's a thunder. Don't forget which several of my

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Speaker 1: hometown friends from Cincinnati have been longtime listeners that Ken

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Speaker 1: Paul Ruey Tom I have heard from Kevin O'Connor. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's a good dude, So check out Check he's a

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Speaker 1: certified empire. Uh. We will be back on Friday with

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Speaker 1: our final episode of the week. Connie Fox will rejoin us.

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Speaker 1: So excited to see Colleen again. Until then, this is

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Speaker 1: Dan Hansis signing off for Quiet Storm. Go Marco. I'm

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Speaker 1: good now, many damn a shack, the Old Boss and

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Speaker 1: the Bitcoin Princess behind the Glass. Black Whack, Black Whack

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