WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Marley Marl 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:03.800 Of Course Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.040 classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:10.479 Yo, y'all check it out. 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:15.200 It's Fonte fantigolo here with this week's QLs classic. All right, 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:17.439 this week we talked to the man, the member of 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:22.000 the legend, Marley Mal. This one was originally released January eleventh, 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:22.840 twenty seventeen. 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:24.640 And listen, it's Mally Mal. 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:26.920 You already know what it is, Marlly Mal Juice crew, 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:30.520 you talking everything ll mamasa to knock you out. He 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:33.360 shared some of the studio secrets and talks about how 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:35.440 he earned the spot as a legend in the really 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:38.440 New York City scene. This is an incredible episode with 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:41.519 one of my favorite producers of all time. Get into it. 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:42.519 QLs classic. 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:44.000 Alright you Peaci. 0:00:53.640 --> 0:01:00.320 Primo self Primo rod ca so Primo self Premo, roll 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:06.360 call Suprema something. Tell me Selpremo roll call Suprema something 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:08.440 something Supremo roll call. 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:12.319 My name is Questo. Yeah, I know the time there 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:15.880 weep in the rocks. Yeah, at the jump of a dime. 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:24.000 Suprema something, Supremo role called Suprema son something, Supremo role. 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.520 My name is fante. Yeah, I got so much soul. 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:29.520 Yeah, West Love Supreme. 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:32.720 Yeah, and we in control God. 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:40.280 Suprema something something, Supremo, Role call, Suprema something Supremo, role call. 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:44.560 My name is Steve, yeah, without a flaw. Yeah, they 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:45.560 call me sugar. 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:57.280 Yeah, Supremo, roll call, Suprema Son Supremo, roll call Bill. 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:03.440 Yeah, to the extreme yea dropping bars Yeah, Chris Love Supreme, 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.000 ro car Suprema. 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:13.359 Son, Suprema, roll call Suprema Son Son Supremo, roll call rhyming. 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:17.200 Yeah, I have no skills. Yeah, so what's my name? 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:25.400 Yeah, call me, Oh, Suprema Son, Suprema, roll call Supremo. 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:33.360 Yeah, wit New Year's Blessings. Yeah, I can't wait to play. 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:43.359 Yeah, roll Suprema, So Suprema, roll call Suprema So Supremo. 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:44.200 Role called. 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:48.080 My name is Morley. Yeah, it's all on me. Yeah, 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:49.239 when we get through. 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:51.120 Yeah, what's it for me? 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:58.480 Oh, Sprema Son, Son Supremo, roll call Suprema Son, Son, 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:07.679 Suprema Role, Suprema, Supremo, Role, Suprema Son Supremo Role. 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:16.480 Ladies and gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:19.320 of Course Love Supreme, the first of this new year. 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:22.040 Happy New Year to all of you, Supreme. 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:26.519 Yes we made it. We we Yes it did not 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:31.320 drink ourselves at all. Last year, we did not drink 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:35.160 ourselves whatsoever. No, I'm your host, quest Love, and we 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:38.080 have another really great show in store for you. On 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.160 the show today, we have one of the most important 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:45.760 people in hip hop history. And that's not an exaggeration. No, 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:49.680 but I'm known to exaggerate. I'm known to go full 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:57.600 extreme on everything. But no, seriously, you know, no, seriously, 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:02.680 I would no for real, this this this, this man 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:10.000 was a pioneer and and he is history. And I 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.320 don't want to make it sound like it's it's it's 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:14.600 old in the past, but this man is one of 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:18.480 the most important figures in mind. His DNA runs through everybody, Yes, 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.160 in the development of some of the best moments in 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.480 hip hop history. Hey, hey, hey, I don't breathe dust. Now, 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:30.159 let's welcome our elder tell let's just give it up 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:33.320 for Mollie. Mam, Hey, hey, what's going on? 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:34.560 It's going on? 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:36.760 Lest Hello, how are you? 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:38.720 How are you? Thank you? 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:39.560 Thank you for coming? 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:41.160 Uh you know to be here? 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:42.919 You know you called and I gotta come here. At 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:47.480 the drop of a dime. You came, you came. Yes, Uh, 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:51.800 we have so many questions, uh for starters. I'm really 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:56.320 glad that you're here because for all of the folklore 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:59.599 that we've heard about hip hop history in the Bronx 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:01.280 and the in the Bronx and the Bronx and the 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:05.720 Bronx and the Bronx, I know that the other girls 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.600 have their history too, and that's rarely, rarely. 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:10.640 Rarely heard about, no doubt, no doubt. 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.679 And I know that you were born in Queens Queens 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:18.360 Queensbridge Projects, you know, ninety six buildings of terror AKA, 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:20.320 you know, But that's why I was brought up in 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:24.120 l I C. Queens Bridge Projects. Really, so you were 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:25.880 born there and you born and raised there. 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:27.119 I lived there all my life. 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:29.520 I mean my mom's she was there before I was born, 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:33.760 you know, and then you know, then when I'm when 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.760 I was born, then we moved to another apartment, and 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:38.520 then we was there for forty more years. 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:38.680 You know. 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.400 I'm lucky enough to be able to get my mom's 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.039 up a house in my career later on in life 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.760 and finally move out the project. But my moms was 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:51.160 there for over forty forty joints. Wow, So what was hardcore? 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:57.440 So what was what is the history of hip hop 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.200 coming to queens? Like to hear to hear the focalos 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.120 say it was only in the Bronx and only in 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.080 the Bronx, But I mean for you to be as 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:07.320 legendary as you were, you are you telling me that 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:09.440 you had to travel all the way to the Bronx 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.120 to get well. The first time I ever heard hip hop, 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.360 it was I was in high school because we had 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.640 DJs and queens. There was more on the on the 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:19.280 disco tip, you know, because when you when you when 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:20.800 you look at hip hop and what they did for 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.800 and coined the phrase hip hop around what they were doing. 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:26.480 It was a little different from what everybody else was 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:30.240 doing in the city. You know, when Cool Herk had 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:32.680 his parties, he was playing the break parts of the 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.360 of the music and queens they was playing the whole mute, 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:38.000 the whole record, the whole song, the whole song, but 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.960 they was taking the break sections. And you know that's 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.480 why I could say that. You know, everybody had DJs, 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.440 everybody had their movement, everybody had they toasters on the mic. 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:49.920 But I could tell you that that that hip hop element. 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:53.280 It definitely came from Cool Herk because he was the 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.480 first person. And maybe it wasn't on beat, you know 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:58.440 what I'm saying. I heard the tape site right right, 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.560 really right, It wasn't really on beat, but you know 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:03.280 they were. 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:04.760 They brought something different. 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:08.400 They was playing at the break big part of Apache 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.280 where in Queens would have played the whole record. So 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:13.320 did you just come out the gate love of music? 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:16.360 Like how did music and spending your life like in 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:18.800 your childhood? It got to me because my older brother 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:23.000 Larry Ladd in the in the record The Bridge last year, 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:27.120 it was like Jappie Jack Gas cool brother by the 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.440 name of Gas t Tom and then my brother Larry Ladd. 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:32.200 It was early DJs in Queensbridge and the Bridge record 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:34.400 because you know, in the Bridge record, we was just stating, 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:37.480 you know, what we saw growing up, right, So we 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:39.560 were stating the things that we saw. We never said 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.440 hip hop started in that rhyme. Yeah we know that, 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:45.000 but you know, we just was describing things we've seen 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.680 growing up. And my older brother was a DJ and 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.560 you know, my stepfather kind of you know, talked them 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:52.200 out of being the DJ and like yo, you know, 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:53.800 you know, there's no real money in that. You don't 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:55.720 going to service man going to service. So he went 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.240 to service bathing, you know. But it was all good 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:00.120 because he went to the service and he worked at 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.280 NASA and retired from NASA, so he did really well. 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:03.000 You know. 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:09.480 I took the DJ route who records. Yeah, that's why 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:15.040 you know my record, my my library's kind of extensive 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:18.680 because I got their records when he left. I had 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:21.200 a tachi, I had, you know, a lot of the 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:24.960 records that I was sampling was their records. So you 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:30.360 have a natural version, right had their original the African 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.240 woman with the other on the other side, the colorful one. 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:35.680 Wow. Yeah, okay, So what. 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.200 Was digging like back then? If there wasn't a thing 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.120 that's digging culture. I mean, for me, digging was just 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:42.960 going to my brother's creates at that stuff they used 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:45.439 to play because they were dancer guys. They was you know, 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:48.760 there was there was break dancers before break dances. Everybody 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:52.120 was a dancer. On every DJ crew had like their 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:54.079 dance crew with them. I could just say it like 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:57.840 there you go. So in older records they used to play. 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.240 Digging for me was just going through some of my 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.640 brother's old records that they used to play, because I 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:04.439 used to see them play a lot of records, and 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:06.439 by the time I got to be a DJ, I 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:08.240 would remember a lot of stuff that would make the 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:11.000 party move. And I would just go right into my 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.840 brother's records and then h to be honest, a lot 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:16.480 of the records that I would find and start sampling. 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:19.439 Then they would make those breakbeat records. After this around 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:27.760 my brother, I started DJing around about seventy eight or 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.079 seventy seven. I got the bug. There was like a 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.439 song called Disco seventy seven out I had drums on it, 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:35.439 and you know, and I heard that. I was like, 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:37.640 oh okay, And I played at a you know, a 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:39.640 house party in Queensboro. It was probably around that time. 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:41.920 But before that, my brother and them was dj and 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.400 in the park. They was the first DJs to come 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.000 out in Queensbridge. It was the first time, you know, 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:50.480 ground zero hip hop was my brother and them doing 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:52.960 they break they dancing and all that in the middle 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.680 of the block. And so that, you know, then everybody 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:58.560 else started DJing out there. So would they They would 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:00.000 throw the parties in, Yeah, they would throw the part 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.120 and Queens and Queensbridge Center, or they would be on 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.240 the block first. Then it got so big way they 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.200 had to take it to the river park across the street, 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:12.520 Queensbridge Park. So how in my in my mind, I'm 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:16.599 thinking the folklore of you know, the park jam that 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:18.719 you always hear hip hop a story and speak of 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.839 all right, being as though you've seen every level of 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:28.200 presentation from the park jams to full blowing concerts straight 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.199 from the tapes. You gotta start with the tapes that 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.839 was just circulating the city first. But what I want 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:37.080 to know is what were the sound systems really like? Oh, okay, right, well, 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:39.920 I could tell you, to be honest, I'm gonna just 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.319 go down the line. The Bronx they had like a 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:45.079 lot of house speakers put together, like a lot of 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.559 people putting this, you know, like housing them together. Ye're 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:50.400 putting their house speakers together, piling them up, taping them together. 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:52.120 And that's how they used to come out, which was 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:55.240 cool because you had to use what you had, right 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:58.360 and Queens they had a little bit more money so 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:01.320 that the sound systems was a little better. The King 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:03.719 Charles and these guys used to come out with you know, 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:07.520 they had. They had rich Al Long systems, really rich 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:11.319 store them like they believe me, King Charles and them, 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:15.240 they they had I believe they had the Richid Long system. 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.000 And you know Twins had a Richid Long Sis. Disco 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:21.240 Twins had Richid Long births. The Queen's Guys was coming 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:24.600 out with the birth is Brooklyn now since the Caribbean 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:28.520 and Brooklyn was always bumping forever. You know, there was 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:32.080 always Eastern Parkway, so that rubbed off on the DJs. 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.160 So so when you was coming through on Eastern Parkway 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:38.000 with the Jamaican music, somebody figured out, Yo, you don't 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:40.000 got to be playing Jamaican music with this music, with 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:41.439 this sound, you could. 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:44.560 Put hip You could put Thisco, regular records, regular records. 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:48.319 So Brooklyn was banging with systems because Eastern Parkway was 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.360 always the ship okay, and and it kind of rubbed 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:53.360 off because you got to think about, this is what's 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:56.400 never mentioned in hip hop and the creation of hip hop. 0:11:56.440 --> 0:12:00.679 And I was formed, Jamaica has a big influence on 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:01.840 how it was started. 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:05.720 Here you look at the main people, the main players, Hirk, 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:10.920 you know the system guys. You know the sound system 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:13.920 guys used to come out the you know, what's his name, 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:16.400 Pete DJ Jones and you know all these guys used 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:19.080 to come out with big systems, right what's his name? 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.760 King Charles was Jamaican. He had one of the biggest 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:24.079 systems in the city back in the days. So just 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:27.240 let our listeners know in Jamaica, like the more bass 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.199 you had, the more bass cabins you had, you know, 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:35.720 stomach rumbling inducing, right, Basis that was the important factor 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:37.520 right now when you speak with cool Herk, he was 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:42.400 basically probably jamming, bringing his music out. For what he's 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.640 seen when he's in Jamaica as a kid, the music 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.199 was always out. He got to America, you was boring 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:51.440 around here bringing the music out. You're talking about, I see, 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:54.120 let's go to the park, Let's take it to the 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:56.120 let's have a party of it, bring the music out, 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:56.520 the sounds. 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:57.920 What are you talking about? Let me show you what 0:12:57.960 --> 0:12:58.640 I'm talking about. 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.120 He did it. Then he probably got bored and playing 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:03.360 the whole record to get down part Oh, that's the 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.839 part of everybody get excited about. I'm gonna do a 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.080 whole party, which is playing nose. That's what he said, 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:10.839 and that's how it started. I just gonna play the 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:12.920 hot part of the records. That's it. You were playing 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:16.240 these parks in seventy seven. No, I was watching the 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:18.880 Disco Twins, my brother and them was playing probably about 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:22.719 seventy five ish, seventy four ish and three ish. By 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.440 then my brother went to the service. I started seeing 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.719 the Disco Twins come I got in high school. I 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:29.800 heard rap for the first time, and you know, I 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:32.080 had formed my own little crew. I was a little 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.800 DJ around the way. We wasn't we wasn't doing we 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:39.199 wasn't we wasn't rocking break beats. We just we was 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:41.800 doing what we saw. Okay, you get what I'm saying. 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:43.880 So we saw the Disco Twins in our area, so 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:47.480 obviously we was following that. But when I heard rap 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:51.440 and got my crew together, the game changed. I'm assuming 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.319 that around seventy eight, seventy nine, it hits you or like, 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.959 how are those tapes come from the Bronx? How do 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:58.040 they go to queens? Like? 0:13:58.120 --> 0:13:58.440 All right? 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:01.599 So it was it was weird because those tapes in 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:03.719 the early part of hip hop, man, you know, when 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:05.520 they was only doing it in the Bronx and Harlem, 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:09.920 those tapes would go throughout the city like fucking like 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:14.480 the Internet, right, they were spread throughout town like the Internet. 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.480 Everybody would be coming to school with one of those tapes, 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:19.600 and you know, it was the greatest thing about that time. 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.640 You know, the schools were so integrated in New York 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:25.080 City at that point. You have people from Harlem in 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.760 your school. You have people from the Bronx in your school. 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.240 You know, you have people from Queens. So one good 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.160 thing I can say about the schools in New York 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:35.960 City you was able to see everybody's style because everybody 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.920 was it was all integrated. You know, people was from 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:40.800 Manhattan in your school, so you got to see what 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.240 they was doing in Manhattan. I was in a school 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:46.000 called Manhattan High. We act dudes from the Bronx. So 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.480 what would they doing in lunchtime? If somebody wasn't over 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:50.960 there beating on the table, somebody was coming through a 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:55.480 big radio playing a breakout tape with echoes, and everybody's like, oh, 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:57.680 and I'm like, I heard somebody rhyming over dance with 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:01.080 the drummers beat. It changed my life, really, yeah, that 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:01.920 changed my life. 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:02.280 I heard it. 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.560 It was this way before rappers light and yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.320 this before rappers. I heard it was just a breakout 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:11.680 tape and you know it was dancing drummers beat and 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:14.280 of course they was cutting it off beat because you 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:16.240 know they ain't probably didn't have Q yet. But he 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.720 was out there talking and going to freak out out 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:20.800 and they had the echo on it. It was burnt. 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:25.400 He was going yeah, yeah, yes, yes, y'all y'all. 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:26.360 And the echo out YO. 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.640 Me and Polo looked at each other because Polo was 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.200 in my school DJ he was in my school. 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:35.280 We looked at each other like, yo, what is wow? 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:36.400 And Yo. 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:38.640 The rest was like it was yo. I went and 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.760 started a crew, a short shot crew in Queensbridge after that, and. 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:42.800 I was on my way. 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:49.960 At Queensbridge is this time like if you live there 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:54.120 all your life, why are you recognizing a three year 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:58.320 old Nazia Jones? Do you see that's navee old prodigy 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:05.840 the little the toy guns in the window. I wasn't. 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:06.920 It wasn't quite like that. 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:12.080 The funny thing about Proligy wasn't from the Bridge but Havoc. 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:16.040 He actually lived in Burnoff Fowler's building because it's so 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:22.080 much burnoff foul from the Peace Boys that also yeah, yeah, 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.320 he's from QB. He sings, he sings with the Rolling 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:28.480 Stones right now. Yeah, yeah, so he they lived in 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:32.920 the same building. Damn like lightning struck twice in that building. 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:37.160 So the Peace Boys, that whole family is from that. 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.160 Burno Off Fouler and his brother Fred and yeah and 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.320 his sister. I never knew that. 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:44.240 Yeah, from Queensland. 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:46.920 Now. I was in the next building from that making 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:47.520 all my hits. 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:49.040 Really yeah. 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:50.160 That was on twelfth Street. 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.840 So I used to hear Havoc's uncle blasting the music 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.600 out of his window on the fourth because the Fowlers, 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:58.360 I think they lived on the first or the second 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:00.920 in the building. And then the Anything Dimples delved in 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.720 the next building. So it was a lot happening on 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:06.760 twelve Street right there. So you would have the system 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.000 battles of the windows, yes, yes, yes, and right in 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:12.560 the windows your own radio. It was battling right out 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:13.879 the window. And that's that was the house where I 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.240 made like Everybody's president. That was the house where I 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:19.560 would watch the people walk across the block and go 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:21.879 to the train stage and if they wouldn't stop dancing, 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.960 if they wouldn't stop and start dancing, I would scrap 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:25.320 the beat. 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:32.200 What right, So I knew I was blasting out, nobody 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:32.960 would stop and go. 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:36.200 Oh oh oh, I'll probably scrap the beat and start 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:37.680 something else until I see somebody do that. 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:39.600 And those are the most of the beasts that I kept. 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:41.960 That's dope research, Like that's. 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:42.120 Like we should go back. 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:46.760 It's like your very gordy sandwich to yeah, yeah, dolloaded sandwich. 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:51.640 Where do you make the transition from? Because I guess 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:56.159 the first time that I heard of you that a 0:17:56.280 --> 0:18:05.520 Leams record was really really big in Philadelphia and that 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:08.359 was le Roy Burgess, right, yes, it definitely wasn't the Isleens. 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.520 What's funny? What's funny about? That's like that's where I 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:15.920 was headed before. Kind of well, okay, explain explain to 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.920 me the edit culture because I know that between like 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:24.440 eighty two and eighty four it was like the Latin rascals. Uh, 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:28.200 I mean, who else were was in that world where 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:31.240 they used those like the art noise hard drums and 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:32.359 you know what I mean, like. 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.520 Like jelly Bean was in that. So you were about 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:37.440 to go that route first. 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:39.480 I was there because you know, you got to think, 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.600 like you know, the great Daryl Payne also lived on 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:46.239 my block in Queensbridge too, so he wrote a lot 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:49.440 of records like thanks to you. You know, yes, I 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:51.480 can't even sit there and mention records. But he lived 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:54.440 on the block. So Andre Booth was there. It was 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:57.520 like it was so musical in Queensbridge. These guys had 0:18:57.680 --> 0:18:59.920 records before me on the radio. 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:00.639 You know. 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:03.240 Andre Booth made this beat his mind, rock shock and 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:05.359 all of that. All these dudes lived in my hood. 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:08.720 And I'm looking at these guys like, wow, these are gods. 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:09.880 Their music is on the radio. 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:11.600 I'm not even a DJ yet. 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:14.159 I'm trying to hang around these guys, you know what 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:16.639 I'm saying, and you know, and and and and figure 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:18.840 out what they're doing in the studio. And Andre gave 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:20.560 me a shot to hang out, and he introduced me 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.480 to Arthur Baker. And that's how I started, you know, 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:25.960 that's how I started. Matter of fact, the first session 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:30.000 I ever went to with him was Jazzy's Insation. So 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:34.000 you were an apprentice of Arthur Baker. Yes, yea Baker 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:42.159 was dog the things you learned, So Arthur Baker is 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:48.560 I mean pretty much uh, you know, planning from planning, breakers, revenge, 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:51.359 on the beat Street and I believe did he not 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:54.320 have a handing candy girls? Of course? Of course. 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:59.520 Addition, that's why Dimple's d record was on street Wise Party. 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:02.280 Okay my first record, boy, I thought it was Sucker 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:05.920 DJ's Yeah, Sucker DJ's DJs that was on Party Time, 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:08.680 the Party Time. It was on Party Time label. That 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:11.440 was because I remember it's yours being on the Party 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:15.000 Time def jam right, So who owned Party Time? That 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:18.440 was Arthur Baker, I believe, and I think later on 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:21.520 they broke off and went to with Russell with that. 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:24.280 I do believe. You mean to tell me that Rick 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:26.760 Rubin and Arthur ber Baker could have been a combo 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:30.520 and it fell apart and then I don't know the 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:35.000 things you learn, yeahs to investigate. Yeah, so it could 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:39.040 have been something by that point, like what how legendary 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:40.360 was Arthur Baker's status? 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:46.800 To be honest, when he first heard My Dimples the demo, 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:50.119 he was working in a warehouse in a story of 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:52.520 Queen's Okay, we want to go see him at a 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:56.119 warehouse at lunchtime. So it was nothing popping from yet, 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:00.720 not even Planet Rock or it was starting the label 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:03.080 because we had Party time, and that was the beginning 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:05.000 of the label. That was like one of the first 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:07.600 two records off the label. So when he first started 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:11.520 dropping Hiss dropping his joints, he heard my demo at 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:14.840 lunch break in the story at a warehouse next to 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:15.800 the story of projects. 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:21.240 So he's working what equipment now around? I guess it's 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:24.639 eighty three, eighty two, eighty three or what equipment are 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:27.800 you using this? At this time, I had a four 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:31.560 tracker set in my house, a task scan that barret 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:35.720 from my dude, Paul. It wasn't even mine, okay, so 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:39.160 you were just and I made mally scratch off that one. 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:41.640 But I'm saying, like, what what drum machine? What drum 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:45.159 I had? Mally scratch? I made it off of my 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:50.359 eight oh eight triggered by my Corg SD. It was 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:53.800 a sample of our delay for one second sampler our delay, 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:57.240 and it had but the important part on it, it 0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:00.879 had trigger inputs on the back, so that enabled me 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:03.840 to trigger off my eight or eight to whatever sound 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:05.880 I had in there. So that's how I was able 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:07.320 to make my beats. 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:09.320 So this is leading me to science. 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:14.040 It's science. This is leading me to believe that you 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:17.960 actually read the manual instructions on your drum machines, because 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:19.960 with most people I know, they were just like I 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:24.200 taught myself for blah blah blah taught me. I learned triggering, triggering, 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:28.600 I call it triggerology from working at Unique Recording, because 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:30.400 you know, if I was working there with authoring them, 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:33.240 believe me, all every record that was ever made and 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:36.240 that eraror was made at Unique, So was he working 0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:39.399 on there was there was already into triggering, Like there 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:42.320 was already into triggering drum sounds on all they dance stuff. 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:44.600 Wow, already? 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:50.879 So can you explain how that because it sounded so 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:56.600 it sounds so futuristic, I mean, especially in eighty three 0:22:56.720 --> 0:22:59.800 eighty four. I mean this is pretty much the club 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:05.040 break dance soundtrack of that period, right, but this is 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:07.840 not made with musicians. I mean, first of all, were 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:10.960 you just accepting the fact that there has to be 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:15.320 a new way to make music and make dance music 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:18.360 and all this technology I have to learn? 0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:21.480 Yeah, I mean especially at that studio, Like yeah, I was. 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:25.200 I was very very very fortunate because the guy Bobby 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:28.040 Nathan that own Unique, he was like a tech head. 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:30.960 Anything that came out he would want to be the 0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:33.480 first studio in New York to have it. Come make 0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:35.720 your shit over here, because we got the Cinclavia. They 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:39.960 had the Sintclavia before anybody had it. They had the Cinclavia, 0:23:40.000 --> 0:23:43.639 they had the Emulator. Feel like they had that. They 0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:47.640 had everything before everybody. They had the Emulator, they had everything. 0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:50.240 That's how I was playing the Emulator and Release Yourself. 0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:51.960 They didn't even have a twelve hundred out yet. 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:54.560 Let me, I do want to play that version? 0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:58.000 What makes it? Because you're not you didn't produce the 0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:02.600 actual Leroy Burgess deuced right with them and them and 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:06.480 the Aleans brothers, the Twin brothers. What's so weird about 0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:10.879 this is that Women's got the Philadelphia like this is 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:13.639 on side too. It's like the Dove version, right, but 0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:17.560 somehow that became the only verson to play. I've never 0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:25.240 even heard the actual proper the radio edit, like so yeah, okay, 0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:29.440 this this definitely ruled my summer in in Philadelphia during 0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:36.320 all the eighties. Uh is Release Yourself the remix by 0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:40.439 the what they were called the Fantastic Yeah, the Fantastic Alleens. 0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:43.880 You gotta put that that sus Love Supreme only on fand. 0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:56.680 So that was release yourself. 0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:00.680 One of the was this your first remix or that 0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:03.800 was that was actually one of my first remixes that 0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:05.960 I've done. That was one of the hottest ones. And 0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:09.000 that's where I was going musically, That's where I was going. 0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:11.080 I was not even thinking about hip hop. Yeah. I 0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:13.760 read in your interview with NPR a couple years ago 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:15.040 you were saying that you were kind of hit it 0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:16.840 more towards the electronics side of things. Yeah. 0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:17.880 I mean, come on, I grew up. 0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:21.440 With for Giorgio Moroder. Bro Georgio Moroda made me a producer. 0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:24.600 You made me want to get into technology because they 0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:28.160 was doing things way before everybody in Germany. 0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:31.240 You gotta hear they was triggering in the sixties. 0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:34.439 Come on, sorry, I'm looking at these guys like, yo, 0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:36.680 they way ahead everybody over here. I'm trying to be 0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:39.840 like them. How did they make I feel love? Sound 0:25:39.960 --> 0:25:40.119 like that? 0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:41.640 It bugged me out. 0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:46.160 So by that point, your goal was to elevate club music, 0:25:46.280 --> 0:25:48.800 and like, what was your feelings of hip hop at 0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:50.200 the time you were looking at hip hop. I didn't 0:25:50.200 --> 0:25:54.040 even say I didn't like hip hop. I was wait, 0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:59.080 what I did not expect. I liked hip hop tapes. 0:25:59.880 --> 0:26:02.159 I love the hip hop tapes, but I didn't like 0:26:02.280 --> 0:26:06.680 hip hop records. I didn't really like hip hop records. 0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:09.440 I was like, so when you hear when you heard 0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:12.000 love rap, you weren't like, I gotta grab for these 0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:14.960 love Wrap that was later on. Love Wrap was a 0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:16.520 little bit well no, No, I just meant like there 0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:18.720 was some note that was that was moment that was 0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:21.560 kind of like later on. But the early joints, like 0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:24.680 the King Tins come on. You get what I'm saying. 0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:27.560 Even even even as a DJ, you didn't think like, Okay, 0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:29.879 this will keep the party going, this is what the 0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:36.080 kids want. Nah, that is shocking, God of hip hop, 0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:38.920 because I have to spend time, right, you have to 0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:40.919 think about the time records that That's why I had 0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:44.880 to That's why I come change things. But hear me out. 0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:46.960 You gotta hear me out. You get what I'm saying. 0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:48.880 Cause first I was like, yo, I don't I don't really, 0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:51.080 I don't like where it's going. Because when I first 0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:54.439 heard rap, it was off of a tape. It was scratching, 0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:57.720 it was echoes, it was breakbeats. It was like an 0:26:57.760 --> 0:27:00.920 occasional gunshot from from a a fight at the you know, 0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:03.960 because the tapes you see sometimes and with a shootout. 0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:06.840 Oh yeah, everybody scuffling and running and it stand to 0:27:06.880 --> 0:27:08.040 the tape, Oh it was a shootout. 0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:11.919 Oh the party was but anyway, But you. 0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:13.639 Know, so once it got on Wax, you felt it 0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:16.680 got too horigonized, and I felt that it didn't sound 0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:20.359 like what I fell in love with. It wasn't. 0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:21.840 It wasn't James Brown. 0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:25.359 You get what I'm saying, because I see the tapes 0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:27.720 I was getting, come on you you throwing on funky 0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:29.639 drummer and they rhyming with the echoes over that. 0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:31.359 Now you want to give me a. 0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:34.600 Band playing good Times And I'm supposed to be impressed 0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:36.920 after I was been cutting up good Times and seeing 0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:39.440 the crowd react to how they reacted to the real 0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:41.840 stuff and the real deep and a realm on it. 0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:44.600 So when the records came out, I was like, no, it. 0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:48.240 Ain't like that. That's weird because I mean, having no 0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:53.280 knowledge of that. I mean I would listen to I 0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:56.399 would listen to something like uh okay, take like sugar 0:27:56.480 --> 0:28:01.600 Hill Groove. I knew about catch groove because I grew 0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:08.200 up next door to a DJ, so I always remembered 0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:13.680 hearing right and always knows he always played the like 0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:16.480 our rooms were adjacent to each other and our households. 0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:19.080 So I always remember that break. As a drummer, I 0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:23.200 remember that break and didn't put two and two together 0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:27.320 that like, oh, okay, sugar Hill is just approximating. It 0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:29.320 didn't hit me until I was older that I got 0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:31.720 what they were doing, that the technology wasn't there to 0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:36.480 really to really reproduce what that moment was. So you're 0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:39.760 saying that by that point nothing on sugar Hill. I 0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:43.400 was no. I was not impressed because you know, even 0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:46.000 when I have the DJ for Magic, I wasn't. I 0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:48.200 wasn't a hip hop DJ. I was a blender. I 0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:50.760 was playing in the clubs already. I was doing disco. 0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:52.840 So what was the first record that you heard on 0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:56.800 wax beyond your own that you was like, all right, maybe. 0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:02.320 It could have been around maybe around around love rap 0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:06.440 because of the beat was so hot. That sounded like 0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:08.520 a breakbeat to me. So that's when it got a 0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:10.960 little better. But the earliest shit I couldn't. I couldn't 0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:13.320 stomach it. I was like, nah, this ain't going nowhere, but. 0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:15.560 Yo, beat this. 0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:17.560 She ain't going nowhere, I'm saying in my mind. But 0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:21.840 you know, it kept going and then mister Magic started 0:29:21.840 --> 0:29:24.160 playing it. And I wasn't even listening to mister Magic. 0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:27.719 So was he established? Yeah, before you even started ding 0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:29.400 with him, Yes, he was. He was on the radio 0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:32.880 playing rap music already. I was a disco DJ playing 0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:36.680 at Pegasus. He was on the radio playing rat Okay. 0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:40.640 At what point was he on the radio? He went 0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:44.000 to WHBI I had to be I had to be 0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:49.520 like had to be like seventies. It was in the 0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:52.000 seventies or something like, so he has long history, has 0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:54.440 seventy eight seventy nine is maybe early eighties something like that. 0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:57.040 He started going on the radio. But at that point 0:29:57.120 --> 0:29:59.640 I wasn't even into the I wasn't even I was 0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:02.000 one of the believe that wasn't going nowhere until it 0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:03.200 started getting a little better. 0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:04.920 When did it get better? 0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:05.160 To you? 0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:12.960 Sucker mcs ah tell me about Larry Like right, Sucker 0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:16.240 mcs gave me hope. It gave me so much hope. 0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:19.360 I made Sucker DJs my first record. 0:30:19.760 --> 0:30:20.760 That's a mighty statement. 0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:23.760 Uh you know what I'm saying, I want I want 0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:25.960 I want to run Socker DJ's real. So Dimple's D 0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:29.720 from your what building? When she in She's from twelve 0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:30.600 Street and Queens Bridge. 0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:32.960 She lived in that same Royd buildings, burn Off, Foul 0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:34.040 and Havoc and I. 0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:36.680 Lived in Okay. So this is your official first production, 0:30:37.200 --> 0:30:40.520 my official first the response to soccers from run DMC. 0:30:57.400 --> 0:31:00.760 I was m the night I was sell good, so 0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:01.720 the film was right. 0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:03.760 I came to the party for a different kind of 0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:04.880 actions and next thing. 0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:06.520 I know, I was doing with Michael Jason out. 0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:08.840 This is Quest Love Supreme on Pandora. 0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:12.400 You just heard Sucker DJ's by Dimple's D and today's 0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:15.800 guest legendary DJ and hip hop producer Marley mal This 0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:18.400 is on a lyndrum Lynn Drum. I even THOUGHTS and 0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:22.240 I went to Unique, I rented two hours of time. 0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:23.960 It was thirty five dollars an hour. 0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:24.960 You had to rent it. 0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:26.400 Yes, I had to rent it. You couldn't do it 0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:28.120 by on their back. No, no, no, I wasn't even 0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:29.600 working there, y'all. I just lived in the neighborhood. 0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:30.600 The studio was up the street. 0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:32.880 I heard they had a Lynn drum in there, and 0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:35.800 I and I got it was thirty five hours an hour. 0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:38.160 I got two hours of time. I went there and 0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:40.040 tapped out a few beats and recorded them on my 0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:42.280 four track, and I took the four track home and. 0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:44.800 She did her vocals in my living room. Wow. 0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:51.000 So the setup in your house, I believe the Rock 0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:52.400 and Roll Hall of Fame has a. 0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:55.320 Matching. Have you seen it? 0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:58.920 It's like a mock setup of what your studio would 0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:00.760 look like, at least at the when I was visiting 0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:02.720 the Rock and Roll Hall of Famer. This is like 0:32:02.880 --> 0:32:05.320 back in two thousand and four, two thousand and five, 0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:08.520 What is your home system looking like? At this point, 0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:11.440 I had like a little four track, a sunboard and 0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:14.760 that was it. So what were your neighbors thinking at 0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:17.400 this moment? They probably was thinking, well, I wish he 0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:20.560 would turn that shit down sometimes and take to speak 0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:25.920 out the damn window. So at that time in the eighties, 0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:31.160 did you feel secure with like your livelihood inside that 0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:33.320 building or was it just that you never left it 0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:35.360 for anything to happen. 0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:37.480 No, I just never left it for anything that happened. 0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:39.840 Plus, I was the neighborhood DJ that you know, people 0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:42.240 was getting famous, and people would sit outside my building 0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:44.200 just to see who's coming to my house. 0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:46.000 So it was all good at that point. 0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:49.400 Okay, I want to ask about your pop art period. Yeah, 0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:53.560 because I instally thought you were a Philly guy. Right, 0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:56.600 I'm from Philadelphia, you know I got I got a 0:32:56.640 --> 0:32:57.400 shout Philly out. 0:32:57.680 --> 0:33:00.560 How did you meet the Goodmans? Dude? 0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:03.840 Philly put me on really in hip hop, man, I 0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:06.560 gotta say it, because if it wasn't for Lawrence and 0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:10.280 then with Rox Sans Revenge, Rox Sans Revenge was pinnacle 0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:12.920 for me. Okay, that was like a pinnacle point in 0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:18.040 my career when I got tooken serious after that. Before that, 0:33:18.120 --> 0:33:20.760 I was, you know, dj on doing this some round doing, 0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:23.840 you know, trying to put out these other records and 0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:28.000 these something no examples. It blew up and Philly put 0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:31.400 me on, put us on, just to let our listeners know. 0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:38.600 So around nineteen eighty four, a group of Brooklyn producers 0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:44.680 Full Force Right Right, put together a record called Roxanne 0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:49.960 Roxanne That's right TFO. One of the actually, am I 0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:52.320 incorrect for saying that that might be the first time 0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:56.360 that an actual break beat was used or modern hip 0:33:56.400 --> 0:34:01.120 hop because big beat, that's right break Orange educated rapper 0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:06.360 second verse. So I don't know what it was about 0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:10.360 this record, but I mean it's the typical storyline of 0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:12.880 three guys trying to kick it to a female and 0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:17.680 they all get rejected and somehow. I mean, this was 0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:22.000 one of the first viral moments. I mean, if it's 0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:25.479 social media were invented, this would be the trending number 0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:29.480 one trending topic because as a result, so many response 0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:33.040 records came out for Roxanne Roxanne, and we didn't even 0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:35.120 meant I didn't even mean for it to be a record. 0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:38.440 Once again, this was another Marly Mall exclusive. I want 0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:41.080 to have a special record for me being a DJ, 0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:43.480 and someone heard it and made a record out of it. 0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:49.000 I wanted to dub plate special with a female talking 0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:51.239 about I'm rock sand and I played it on Mister 0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:52.560 Magic Show and it was. 0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:53.360 It was fire. 0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:56.440 It was like I played a few days before Christmas. 0:34:56.920 --> 0:34:59.640 By Christmas Eve, it was number one on Billboard. How 0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:02.719 did you rox Sante Chante? She lived on my block 0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:05.480 in Queensbridge, and she know she used to always see 0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:08.120 her and the siphers on the block. You know, she 0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:10.480 used to always be insiph as her a dude named 0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:13.960 Infinite and empty Shan. There was like battling everybody on 0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:16.320 twelve Street, and I used to always see them. And 0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:18.480 you know, one day she she was doing her laundry. 0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:21.440 You know, she said, Yo, knocked on my door. 0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:21.640 Yo. 0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:23.520 You know you like that rock Sanding record. 0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:25.560 I said, Yo, She's like, Yo, I got something for that. 0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:28.040 I'm thinking that myself. Well, I have a special dub play. 0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:28.920 Oh, come do that. 0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:30.160 So she came. 0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:31.719 We dub played it. 0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:34.120 Up and one take she ran back down was doing 0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:40.799 her laundry. She did it between the laundry break. Yes, yeah, 0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:47.960 the space brother seriously near one take yeah, one take, 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:50.360 one take we got to had one cassette playing the 0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:54.040 instrument through another cassette recording, and she got on the mic, 0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:57.239 did her thing on one take, ran back downstairs, and 0:35:57.360 --> 0:35:59.400 the next week she was a star. Are there two 0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:02.279 versions of the Yes we have to we do it? Yeah. 0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:05.160 I feel like I've heard the original twelve is I 0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:06.800 heard with the she asked. 0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:10.800 One that the ask yo, let me explain. 0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:13.040 It wasn't as exciting. But then I heard a version 0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:16.600 when she's like really screaming and explain. The first version 0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:20.480 that came out, they took the version that we played 0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:22.480 on the radio and pressed that one up and that 0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:24.840 was the first batch of records that went out, the 0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:26.920 version I played off the radio. I didn't give him 0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:29.279 the master. We gave him a copy of us playing 0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:30.040 it on the radio. 0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:33.080 Oh my good Oh my goodness. 0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:34.719 That's why he said that, because he said that on 0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:35.240 the radio. 0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:37.720 Oh my goodness. I thought that was part of the record. 0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:39.719 Oh No, that was that was That was him live 0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:41.800 on the radio saying, oh my goodness after he played it. 0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:44.400 We gotta play this, yo. 0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:49.880 This is Roxanne's Revenge on court only on Pandora with 0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:51.520 the great mally Man. Will be right back. 0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:06.600 My name is don't know. I just a cold rock 0:37:06.680 --> 0:37:09.439 up bunny, and I said, I'm at you see you guys, 0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:11.360 and you know it's to let me tell you and 0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:12.239 explained them. 0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:19.680 All right, this quest some supreme. We're here talking to 0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:22.800 hip hop producer Marley More about his days as a 0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:25.680 legend in the making so and also a hook singers 0:37:28.600 --> 0:37:32.279 singing days. So were you a part of the other 0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:35.440 Roxannes that came out? Because I saw Roxanne doctor and 0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:39.440 well there was the real Rocks, the real Rocks and 0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:42.920 rock Real Rocks. Was the Puerto Rican girl with the. 0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:45.440 Blond here the forces. 0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:49.280 Okay, doctor Roxane, that's the original. 0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:50.279 Right, he was the first one. 0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:51.160 There you go. 0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:55.040 She was the first one. So at any point was 0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:57.360 there I mean, in our heads we're just thinking like, 0:37:57.960 --> 0:38:00.839 oh man, bloodshed caltfight's going to happen. But at any 0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:06.080 point did you ever kick it with full force or 0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:09.759 the thought of the idea of you know, doing something 0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:12.799 together or whatever. No, I think that went right out 0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:14.400 the window as soon as they came with, you know, 0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:16.640 they tried to do a real rock saying yeah, but 0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:19.200 she was she was. She was dope. Yes, she didn't 0:38:19.200 --> 0:38:21.719 have to fire off Chante, but she was really dope, 0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:24.279 and you know, and you know after that, I mean, 0:38:24.360 --> 0:38:26.560 Chante was the last one standing at the end of 0:38:26.600 --> 0:38:29.520 the day. Chante was really the first one that did it. 0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:31.839 She was on all the tours, she got on Fresh 0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:33.800 Fest with all that, you get what I'm saying. She 0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:36.880 she she had us on private planes real quick, really, 0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:42.160 and I didn't even have a call yet. So at 0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:45.520 this rate you're saying that this was catching on national. 0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:45.839 Yeah. 0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:49.239 Yeah, we had sometime three shows in one day and 0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:51.279 we had a private plane so we could be here, 0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:53.080 go there, and then go to the next show and 0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:56.840 just you know, it was just that away from like 0:38:56.920 --> 0:39:00.000 what were the gigs like? Was it just try State northeat. 0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:03.680 We would go you know, we would go to we 0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:09.080 went to Cincinnati, then we would go to what's that Pennsylvania? Okay, 0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:13.480 then we'll go to you know, maybe Ohio or something 0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:15.920 like that. We would do it like that and just 0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:17.920 hit the one song and one and done and two 0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:21.000 songs and be out, you know, one song and I 0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:23.080 played eight o eight when he just doing the freestyle 0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:26.480 and then we'd be out. Really, now you pick somebody 0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:28.840 out of the crowded this and get the crowd amped up. 0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:33.200 She was on a Millie Jackson who taught him like, 0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:38.120 so are you are you who's teaching the the entertainment 0:39:38.239 --> 0:39:43.879 aspect of your juice crews? How tell you something? Mister 0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:47.680 Magic was very If you think he was rude on 0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:50.920 the radio to other artists, you couldn't imagine how he 0:39:50.960 --> 0:39:54.160 would be to us as artists, like you ain't wearing 0:39:54.200 --> 0:39:55.319 that ship on stage with us. 0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:58.160 You're not going out like that, Oh motherfucker. 0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:02.200 You ain't ready. He told Cae many times, Yo, you 0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:04.120 ain't going out on stage with your hair like that. 0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:06.920 And and then that's when Kine got started getting the 0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:07.840 hot top fade. 0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:10.040 Before you had a big old afro. 0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:14.239 What yeah, the seventies iry some damn that's the Magic 0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:16.840 would have hated me. I know, mister Magic saying he's like, 0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:18.759 you can't go on stage like that represent with us. 0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:20.960 Then all of a sudden, King came back with the 0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:21.640 hot top fake. 0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:22.320 There you go. 0:40:22.440 --> 0:40:24.840 But it worked because he's kind of marketing them looking like, 0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:27.320 you know, if you're gonna be the ladies man, you 0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:30.600 can't be the ladies man like that. So oh, there 0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:32.239 you go. Now that's the look that we're looking for, 0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:35.440 and they went with it. And and that's why came 0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:37.600 was the sex symbol out of us. I guess we 0:40:38.000 --> 0:40:42.200 should we shouldn't note that. Uh, what's notable about Marley's 0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:45.800 presence in hip hop. It's the fact that you know 0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:50.920 you represent will represent a wave of one of the 0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:53.680 first families in hip hop. There you as opposed to 0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:57.719 just you know, individual acts coming out at the time. 0:40:58.040 --> 0:40:59.960 And we're speaking of the Jews. 0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:03.760 So did you and mister Magic have this grand scheme 0:41:03.880 --> 0:41:06.680 like we're gonna develop acts and then I'll play them 0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:08.320 on our radio show, and you'll spin it on the 0:41:08.480 --> 0:41:09.160 radio show. 0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:11.279 And you know it was you know what it was. 0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:14.600 We're in such a battle man, you got to think 0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:17.239 it was battle mode. A lot of songs we made 0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:21.239 was ammunition to fight Red and Chuck on Kiss FM. 0:41:22.320 --> 0:41:27.040 Explain all right, explain the initial rivalry between Red and 0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:29.320 all right, this is how it all started. Mister Magic 0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:32.400 was on the radio and BLS for about a year. 0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:35.080 Then then Kiss FM decided, Hey, they went in over 0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:36.960 there with that rep. Let's get it. Let's get a 0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:40.560 wrap show too. They got they got Jazzy Jay first. 0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:42.480 Matter of fact, I think it was it got Jazzy 0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:44.200 j first. He did it for a minute, he didn't 0:41:44.280 --> 0:41:46.560 like it. He passed it on the Red. Then Red 0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:50.239 and Chuck started splitting it. And then after a while, okay, 0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:52.000 now we was doing it for a year and then 0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:54.279 they started coming up. So that second summer, oh, it 0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:57.560 was brutal in the city. Now it's two stations playing 0:41:57.640 --> 0:42:01.360 rap on the weekends. Now, all right, this is before 0:42:01.400 --> 0:42:03.840 the summer actually when school was in this was this 0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:06.920 was just before that summer when everybody went to school 0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:10.680 with a new regular tape or mister Magic tape every 0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:14.920 Monday back in school. You heard what they played, hen 0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:17.080 it is, So we started, we started blowing up. Then 0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:19.640 those tapes would go around the world. Those tapes would 0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:21.759 travel to Philly. You get what I'm saying, y'all would 0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:24.600 get those tapes down south. I know people down south 0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:27.799 and Atlanta was slinging tapes. You get what I'm saying. 0:42:27.840 --> 0:42:30.200 So those tapes were moving around. So it started a 0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:34.680 big radio rivalry, Kiss FM against w b l S. 0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:39.719 And now now all of a sudden, now I need 0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:42.960 AMMO because mister Magic was the type of person you know, 0:42:43.080 --> 0:42:45.480 God rest his soul. He was good at heart, but 0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:47.200 he would get on the air and this this is 0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:49.560 an artist. So that means that artists would be mad 0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:53.040 at him out of ass on millions? 0:42:54.840 --> 0:42:56.040 Was he really talking about them? 0:42:56.160 --> 0:42:59.440 Yo? One day I played the public and in the 0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:03.000 middle of the record, he yo, Mally Mary turned that off. 0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:04.560 He could cut his Michael, turn that off. 0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:06.640 I turned it off, your man, no more music from 0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:09.560 the Sockers quick. 0:43:11.440 --> 0:43:15.160 And I was like, I just start. I'm looking at him, like, Yo, 0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:16.160 what did you just say? 0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:16.480 Man? 0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:16.960 Yo? 0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:19.320 Because I'm the DJ with you, I don't want to 0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:21.640 like we want to air together, like what did you 0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:22.120 just say? 0:43:22.840 --> 0:43:23.839 No more music from the sucker? 0:43:23.920 --> 0:43:24.640 So it went by. 0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:27.759 Then a few weeks later PubL Agatay put that on 0:43:27.880 --> 0:43:30.640 the on their record. When somebody took the recording of 0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:32.360 him saying it on the show and put it on 0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:33.080 the record. 0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:36.240 He is speaking of the beginning of pol Amborum Flavor, 0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:37.160 which is I. 0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:40.440 Guarantee you no more music byd a Sucker, no more 0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:44.319 music bind the suckers, no more music by the suckers. Yo, man, 0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:48.560 So how did how does Biz enter? And how do 0:43:48.680 --> 0:43:54.840 you see Biz more than just a sidekick as a start? Like, 0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:57.680 how do you how did you first meet him? Well? Crazy, 0:43:57.680 --> 0:43:59.040 I was walking down the street and I was like, Yo, 0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:01.200 there's a be box in the building. And I'm like, 0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:06.200 come on, man, for real, beat box schmek box. You 0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:07.840 thought it was a fat Yeah, I was like come on. 0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:10.760 I'm like, I'm like, Yo, Doggie Fresh is out, Buffy 0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:14.160 Buffy's out. Ain't nobody touching them dudes? You get what 0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:16.279 I'm saying. Like it's gonna be hard. I said, I 0:44:16.280 --> 0:44:18.480 don't even want a hair dude. But he's like, you know, 0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:21.520 but you got to check him out, Mam Yo, he's phenomenal. 0:44:21.680 --> 0:44:23.920 He's something special. So I go back to the building. 0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:26.960 He's doing a beat box in the building. All of 0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:31.759 a sudden, when he went right, bro, come to my 0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:35.440 house to mom. Bro, you dope kid. That was like 0:44:35.800 --> 0:44:38.040 he blew me away. He started I want to, I 0:44:38.160 --> 0:44:46.600 want to. My name is bis Mark. I was like, yo, 0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:49.279 if you're crazy enough to chop your neck in front 0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:53.080 of me. So at that point, did you feel like 0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:56.879 did you feel like, Okay, I could make anyone a star? 0:44:57.080 --> 0:44:58.800 Like did you figure out like you knew what the 0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:02.640 formula was to make the streets feel With Biz? It 0:45:02.680 --> 0:45:04.279 was kind of like an experiment. I knew that he 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:07.080 could have been a good attraction to what we was doing. 0:45:07.400 --> 0:45:10.200 I was like, wow, he's real entertaining. That was dope. 0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:12.400 You know, maybe he could he could rock with us. 0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:15.000 And you know, once he got to me, Chante, Shanta 0:45:15.239 --> 0:45:17.440 and him got very close and he started opening up 0:45:17.480 --> 0:45:20.040 for Shante. And once I seen the reaction of the 0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:22.600 crowd when he started opening with Chante, I was like, Wow, 0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:25.120 he's extra special. What was Biz doing? 0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:26.839 When you like? How old was he when you met him? 0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:29.400 He was he had to be like it looked like 0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:33.279 he was about eighteen or nineteen or something like that. 0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:35.799 He's like, you know, just like a young skinny kid 0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:38.640 coming to the hood. Yo. He stayed for the whole weekend. 0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:43.000 Finally saw me Sunday. Everybody's like, yo, he was out 0:45:43.000 --> 0:45:43.640 here all weekend. 0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:44.120 Yo. 0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:45.319 He was out here a funny dude. 0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:46.239 He was out here hanging up. 0:45:46.280 --> 0:45:48.239 We just sat on the park bench, wait, brung out 0:45:48.800 --> 0:45:51.880 the whole weekend in Queen's Bridge. 0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:55.440 He just hung out with everybody. So that was just 0:45:55.560 --> 0:45:55.759 the thing. 0:45:55.840 --> 0:45:59.239 Do I'm gonna go to Queens Ridge Project? Yeah, But 0:45:59.800 --> 0:46:01.600 that's why I had to move because you know a 0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:04.920 few females would do that too, and they would get violated. 0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:06.279 So I was like, let me move at it because 0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:09.719 I want to be responsible. R oh, I know, I 0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:14.640 thank you to him. Come on, man, that was happening 0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:16.080 too much. So I was like, you know, let me 0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:19.279 I got to get up out of here. Okay, So 0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:24.080 are you still going to proper studios to do the 0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:27.400 pre production and coming into your crib to know it's 0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:29.359 right in the living room in Queen's Bridge. 0:46:29.120 --> 0:46:31.720 With a task him with the assume. 0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:35.239 At this point, the SB twelve, the infamous reel the 0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:40.120 real or you're the real? Yeah, like how many outlets 0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:42.960 did you have to like it? Because I was. 0:46:43.040 --> 0:46:44.040 Electricity go out? 0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:44.520 Nah? 0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:45.080 NOA it was. 0:46:45.160 --> 0:46:47.799 It was pretty cool. I mean it sounds like a lot. 0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:51.839 I had a shabby, shitty little studio and made all 0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:54.600 those records. It sounds like yo, when you hear the records, 0:46:54.600 --> 0:46:57.440 they sound so big and elaborate. But dude, I was 0:46:57.440 --> 0:47:00.359 sitting there on like a shitty ester. Quick, you say, 0:47:00.440 --> 0:47:03.279 nobody beat some business was just just that was some 0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:05.960 some mcguira miracle like that. 0:47:06.000 --> 0:47:07.440 Wasn't It wasn't a miracle. 0:47:07.520 --> 0:47:09.759 But the way I would make records, I mean, come on, 0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:12.400 I'm triggering from an eight a eight the post from 0:47:12.440 --> 0:47:15.000 the eight away is triggering each sample is separately. I 0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:17.600 didn't have a twelve hundred yeat. This is before twelve hundreds. 0:47:18.040 --> 0:47:21.200 They didn't even have twelve hundred. Yeah, I'm sampling drums 0:47:21.440 --> 0:47:23.880 before they even made twelve hundreds to do that. So 0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:27.760 I got I got three samplers here with trigger inputs 0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:29.960 on the back the times, the low times, in the 0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:32.560 high times, just triggering my drum sounds. And I'm using 0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:34.200 a regular eight a weight from the eighth eight and 0:47:34.280 --> 0:47:36.440 a regular high from the hot eight O eight, but 0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:37.680 those are my drum sounds. 0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:39.520 Those three samplers was triggering. 0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:42.400 So it was kind of like mcgiverish because yeah, they 0:47:42.440 --> 0:47:44.640 didn't have that technology, right, I kind of like me, 0:47:44.840 --> 0:47:48.040 I thought of it. So you and Grandmaster Flash. Grandmaster Flash, like, 0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:51.160 I want to, you know, invent a system that lets 0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:53.320 me hear the music before I'm DJing it, and you 0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:56.840 are I want to. I want to you're inventing triggering 0:47:56.960 --> 0:48:00.400 without the idea of triggering, right, I'm inventing twelve hundreds 0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:02.799 and the whole the whole software program or how they're 0:48:02.800 --> 0:48:05.560 doing it, probably before it was even made, because nobody 0:48:06.680 --> 0:48:08.960 the twelve the twelve s P twelve came out after that. 0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:13.920 I thought you did that on a twelve No, no, okay. 0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:18.600 So what was your Ben Franklin Eureka moment? Because I 0:48:18.680 --> 0:48:22.280 think our listeners should know that more than any producer, 0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:27.680 you're the one that figured it out a way to 0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:31.560 take what's on a record and put it through technology 0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:35.560 so that we could wrap over that instead without you know, 0:48:35.840 --> 0:48:37.840 without DJ going back and forth of all the stuff. 0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:40.680 So like, what was your what was your Eureka moment? 0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:44.080 Like wait, I can do that. One day we was 0:48:44.160 --> 0:48:47.600 working at Unique and I was like trying to sample 0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:50.240 something else, and I think the snare went through by mistake, 0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:52.439 and I was like rocking the snare with the beat, 0:48:52.880 --> 0:48:55.839 and I'm like, that shit sound hot right there. Turn 0:48:55.880 --> 0:48:57.839 the other one down. Turn that shit, turn original down, 0:48:57.920 --> 0:49:01.839 turn out, turn that line drum down. I'm playing playing 0:49:01.880 --> 0:49:03.680 what I was doing with the with the beat. It 0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:05.320 sounded so much better. I was like, yo, could we 0:49:05.360 --> 0:49:06.960 put this on track? And I put it on track 0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:10.520 and I sat there. I was like, hold up, this 0:49:10.719 --> 0:49:13.520 means I could take any record I have at home, 0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:18.200 any kick snare, make my own pattern with their kicking sneer. 0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:24.239 I think I never interned anymore after that day. I 0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:27.239 think that was my last day of internship. I think 0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:30.000 I never returned. I returned as Mally Mal later to 0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:32.560 do mixes and be famous, but I was never intern 0:49:32.680 --> 0:49:34.880 no more after that. Okay, so you run home with 0:49:35.000 --> 0:49:37.120 the equipment, or you run into your own equipment. I 0:49:37.200 --> 0:49:39.439 went home. I went around the corner to sam Ash 0:49:39.520 --> 0:49:43.160 and brought little two little samplers. Like I'm thinking back then, 0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:46.440 this is super expensive and hard to acquire. No, they 0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:48.799 had little samplers for guitar players back in the day. 0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:50.200 You know how they got there. You could play along 0:49:50.239 --> 0:49:52.120 with it and play right, right, something they plays a 0:49:52.160 --> 0:49:54.080 little thing, they play along with it, right, That's what 0:49:54.200 --> 0:49:54.920 it was back then. 0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:56.080 I had a sampler like that. 0:49:56.280 --> 0:49:59.120 First I had a trigger on it, and I figured 0:49:59.120 --> 0:50:02.120 I could put sound from the record in there and 0:50:02.239 --> 0:50:09.320 trigger it. I ever wanted to know, okay, okay, And 0:50:09.400 --> 0:50:11.399 so these records you were recording, still at your crib, 0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:15.040 still at the crib, my matter fact, my first real 0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:18.040 sampler was that was a little box that was this 0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:20.880 for guitar player that then you know they have the 0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:23.080 loops on it. Yeah, the thing that you do, the 0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:25.920 little cork box little thing. That was my first sampler. 0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:28.320 But I bought one with a trigger on it because 0:50:28.320 --> 0:50:31.800 I already was working at Unique and I used to see, oh, trigger, 0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:33.000 everybody's trigger happy. 0:50:33.400 --> 0:50:35.200 The post is popping everything off in here. 0:50:35.480 --> 0:50:37.040 Hold, if I could get a sample that pulls to 0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:39.080 pop off too, I could put what I want in 0:50:39.160 --> 0:50:40.880 there and it's gonna do what I wanted to do. 0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:43.040 What was your first thing that you broke that you 0:50:43.080 --> 0:50:46.560 were like, oh god, I've discovered a new way of 0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:50.480 let me see, and was it Nobody Beats the Biz? 0:50:50.760 --> 0:50:53.800 Or it could have been Nobody Beats the Biz that 0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:56.360 they could have been that and and make the music. 0:50:57.320 --> 0:50:59.920 It was aund make the music time around me, because 0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:02.760 I remember I used to like that Isaac Case piano 0:51:03.320 --> 0:51:06.480 and when when I messed around and remembered how you 0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:07.759 know in hip hop they used to play it in 0:51:07.880 --> 0:51:10.640 forty five to make it have that certain tone, And 0:51:10.719 --> 0:51:13.279 I was like, if I could make that certain tone 0:51:13.320 --> 0:51:16.520 with my own beat, it would be phenomenal. And then 0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:18.839 once I made that, I kind of knew I was here. 0:51:18.920 --> 0:51:21.440 I was like, wow, that right there because I was 0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:24.360 able to take my own kicking, my own snare, go 0:51:24.520 --> 0:51:27.480 in the mic and go and make my own high hat. 0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:31.759 Wa wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait what. 0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:37.719 What you just saying? Say that one more time? 0:51:37.920 --> 0:51:39.880 I was able to go to the samble and go 0:51:40.840 --> 0:51:42.680 in it and be able to play it back like 0:51:42.760 --> 0:51:43.640 a shaker. 0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:45.960 Ghetto. 0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:47.080 Come on, I have nothing. 0:51:49.280 --> 0:51:54.839 I've always wondered what that was, because the thing that's 0:51:54.840 --> 0:51:56.440 so Doba about it is that when we would do 0:51:56.560 --> 0:51:59.080 that beat like in the lunch room, that's how we. 0:51:59.120 --> 0:52:02.040 Were all do it the same way with my mouth. 0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:04.359 There you go. That's real quick. 0:52:05.719 --> 0:52:06.960 Oh my goodness. 0:52:07.120 --> 0:52:18.840 Wow, wow, yo, I want you I want to. 0:52:19.800 --> 0:52:21.279 That's not a want to. 0:52:22.040 --> 0:52:24.879 It isn't now that I know what it is. Wow, 0:52:25.320 --> 0:52:26.359 now that you hear it, now. 0:52:26.360 --> 0:52:29.560 That you know it's not like it wasn't the Dougie 0:52:29.600 --> 0:52:32.600 Fresh Shaker. Yeah, yeah, because that's exactly what it was. 0:52:32.680 --> 0:52:32.879 Yeah. 0:52:33.880 --> 0:52:34.080 Yeah. 0:52:34.080 --> 0:52:36.320 I was going to ask because I know when for 0:52:36.440 --> 0:52:40.080 the show with Teddy Riley, like, what was that. 0:52:40.120 --> 0:52:43.640 A DMX DMX because I have a DMX and it 0:52:43.840 --> 0:52:49.359 doesn't sound that wow, it's just like and I would 0:52:49.360 --> 0:52:53.359 try to tune it down. It doesn't sound that way 0:52:54.160 --> 0:52:59.960 off an email on. Yeah, but I figured after that 0:53:00.160 --> 0:53:03.160 record right there, I had it, and and to be honest, 0:53:03.480 --> 0:53:07.000 I kept my drum sounds in my samplers for about 0:53:07.040 --> 0:53:07.319 a week. 0:53:07.719 --> 0:53:10.640 I made about a week's worth of beats before it was. 0:53:11.000 --> 0:53:13.440 Yeah, but the bridge was one of them. Stunt of 0:53:13.480 --> 0:53:16.440 the Block was on Eric Beats, President Drums was one 0:53:16.480 --> 0:53:19.040 of them. So at that point I was like, I 0:53:19.160 --> 0:53:22.200 kept those drums sounds in. Was there a way to 0:53:22.239 --> 0:53:25.600 save it? I was saying cards right now, I had 0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:27.879 it on real, So I had on real. That's where 0:53:27.880 --> 0:53:30.640 the infamous reel. Okay, infamous reel was my hard job. 0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:32.960 We got to talk about him, Piace the President, We 0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:39.040 gotta talk about him. Piece the President. I know Munch 0:53:39.120 --> 0:53:43.600 has been said about like the importance of funky drummers placing. 0:53:43.320 --> 0:53:46.080 The panfe the President is the greatest break meet up. 0:53:46.160 --> 0:53:48.760 But yeah, I do feel that in Peace to President 0:53:49.040 --> 0:53:54.799 is probably the common man's break beat. First of all, 0:53:55.120 --> 0:53:58.480 ultimate beats and breaks wasn't out yet, right, So thus, 0:54:00.960 --> 0:54:01.920 how did you run across? 0:54:01.960 --> 0:54:03.759 And was it just like a source record that you 0:54:03.800 --> 0:54:05.359 were like, this will do well. 0:54:05.560 --> 0:54:08.879 I got it. I got my version, my forty five. Yeah, 0:54:08.880 --> 0:54:15.160 I saw Aaron Fuchs. Wow. Now see, I gotta be 0:54:15.239 --> 0:54:18.279 careful because he's bunked a few shots at me. 0:54:19.040 --> 0:54:21.480 I know about with him peach. But he gave me 0:54:21.520 --> 0:54:23.239 it because what happened. He gave it to you. 0:54:23.680 --> 0:54:25.880 Listen. I used to This is when I lived in 0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:29.560 Queen's Bridge on Vernon Tough City Records was on Vernon Boulevard, 0:54:30.080 --> 0:54:34.840 Queens in Long Island City, like a few blocks down, okay, 0:54:35.040 --> 0:54:37.160 and you know, and you know, and I was just 0:54:37.239 --> 0:54:38.960 coming up and he's like, look, I want you to 0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:41.040 go in the studio with spoony G. I can't really 0:54:41.080 --> 0:54:42.840 pay you, but I could give you a handful of 0:54:42.920 --> 0:54:45.560 forty fives. Now you got to think about it. Aaron 0:54:45.640 --> 0:54:47.920 Fuchs was the editor god You did the Godfather. 0:54:48.000 --> 0:54:51.320 That's what I'm trying to tell you. I thought that 0:54:51.960 --> 0:54:54.600 you did that. Yeah, I did The Godfather, right. 0:54:55.280 --> 0:54:56.560 Here's The Godfather by Spoony G. 0:54:56.760 --> 0:54:56.880 Yes. 0:54:57.239 --> 0:55:00.359 Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm right now, and take it off. 0:55:01.080 --> 0:55:01.719 Of course he did. 0:55:01.840 --> 0:55:02.000 Yeah. 0:55:02.080 --> 0:55:04.759 Yeah, So when I was doing those records, he didn't 0:55:04.760 --> 0:55:06.200 have money to pay me, so he would say, hey, 0:55:06.560 --> 0:55:08.959 since he was the editor of Billboard for funking soul 0:55:09.040 --> 0:55:12.160 in the sixties, so you're ready to know his record collection. 0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:15.520 So he would always say, I. 0:55:15.560 --> 0:55:17.640 Got a handful of forty fives for your here. And 0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:20.160 there was so many rarities and that shit. Every time 0:55:20.480 --> 0:55:22.160 I was like, okay, let me go make a record 0:55:22.200 --> 0:55:24.439 for him and get his break beats break, he paid 0:55:24.440 --> 0:55:27.880 me with no forty fives, bro and piece to President 0:55:27.920 --> 0:55:31.040 happened to be one of them. The irony of everything 0:55:31.160 --> 0:55:33.080 is that he was the person that gave me a 0:55:33.160 --> 0:55:35.480 piece to President on a trade like that, and was 0:55:35.560 --> 0:55:37.360 later to come back and sue. 0:55:40.280 --> 0:55:43.839 For using that very break He gave me Wow, okay, 0:55:44.080 --> 0:55:44.759 what is yours? 0:55:45.719 --> 0:55:46.000 Okay? 0:55:46.400 --> 0:55:48.800 I had a situation where. 0:55:50.400 --> 0:55:53.279 All right, I gotta be very careful because some certain 0:55:53.320 --> 0:55:58.480 people were very regitious with what do you mean by 0:55:58.600 --> 0:56:03.640 certain people? Exactly? That's that's exactly how he approached me 0:56:03.719 --> 0:56:05.960 to like, what do you mean leeches. 0:56:06.120 --> 0:56:06.160 No. 0:56:07.440 --> 0:56:12.040 At the time, there was a situation with where jay 0:56:12.120 --> 0:56:16.520 Z and Kanye west otis in which we all know 0:56:16.680 --> 0:56:21.480 that Kanye ends the rhyme with Jay is chilling. Yeah, 0:56:21.600 --> 0:56:22.040 that's right. 0:56:22.160 --> 0:56:23.680 He did come after him for that, right. 0:56:24.080 --> 0:56:29.320 And you know from what I know is that he 0:56:30.760 --> 0:56:36.839 approached h What's light in Milk's Father's na They were like, yo, 0:56:37.400 --> 0:56:39.239 he's quoting our song. 0:56:39.400 --> 0:56:40.000 Go get him. 0:56:40.160 --> 0:56:41.960 And they were like, well, no, it's just an homage. 0:56:42.120 --> 0:56:44.680 Like it's not we don't consider it biting. It's just 0:56:44.719 --> 0:56:47.400 an homage. At the end of at the end of 0:56:47.440 --> 0:56:51.040 the day, I hear that the amount was somewhere close 0:56:51.080 --> 0:56:53.920 to two million. My thing is that the very thing 0:56:54.080 --> 0:56:58.440 and this probably extends to me and Boss Bill's argument 0:56:59.120 --> 0:57:05.200 about amens versus body on that one, I'm as versus biting, uh. 0:57:05.480 --> 0:57:06.479 Stealing somebody style. 0:57:06.600 --> 0:57:10.640 Well, yeah, it's like for me, a person like George 0:57:10.680 --> 0:57:13.439 Clinton has it where it's like he gives you great 0:57:13.600 --> 0:57:17.640 rates to take his stuff, and then you keep coming. 0:57:17.440 --> 0:57:23.160 Back for more. Right, keep the keep the prices in 0:57:23.160 --> 0:57:24.440 the streets, and everybody come back. 0:57:24.840 --> 0:57:29.080 The problem the situation with with Aaron Fuchs is that 0:57:30.080 --> 0:57:33.000 he acquired the rights to impeach the president and then 0:57:33.080 --> 0:57:36.520 he just went law suit crazy. Now I noticed that 0:57:37.120 --> 0:57:40.200 all these seven figure lawsuits were always aimed the deaf JAM. 0:57:41.040 --> 0:57:44.560 So I don't know if maybe he has a beef 0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:49.200 with Russell or yeah, because like certain and pre president 0:57:49.320 --> 0:57:52.600 usage got on, you know, he let it slide, but 0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:55.280 with def Jam it was like one million, one million, 0:57:55.440 --> 0:58:00.479 one million, one million budget. Probably. Yeah, what is your feeling, 0:58:00.560 --> 0:58:03.720 I mean, especially in twenty sixteen in which I feel 0:58:03.760 --> 0:58:06.760 as though we need more and beats the president, right 0:58:07.560 --> 0:58:09.320 unless and I'm not I don't want to be that 0:58:09.440 --> 0:58:12.640 guy that's like discouraging the future marlies of the world 0:58:12.720 --> 0:58:14.840 to not push forward technology. 0:58:15.040 --> 0:58:15.440 Right, But. 0:58:17.080 --> 0:58:20.320 If everyone is just trying to cash in on laying 0:58:20.360 --> 0:58:22.160 a trap, I feel like it's laying a trap. Right, 0:58:22.400 --> 0:58:24.680 I'm gonna take I'm gonna take the most popular breakbeat 0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:27.760 right and sue you if you use it. I'm gonna 0:58:27.760 --> 0:58:30.560 give it to the most popular producer, let him use it, 0:58:30.680 --> 0:58:32.480 get it hot in the streets. Then I'm gonna go 0:58:33.000 --> 0:58:36.080 get the rights to it and sue every motherfucker that 0:58:36.280 --> 0:58:39.560 use so And that's what happened. 0:58:39.880 --> 0:58:43.560 What is he is he just living off of I 0:58:43.640 --> 0:58:47.840 mean the theme the scrubs? Like, no, I think that. 0:58:48.000 --> 0:58:50.040 You know, he looks at it as his business. You know, 0:58:50.160 --> 0:58:52.320 somebody's got to do it, you know, I feel his way, 0:58:52.400 --> 0:58:54.800 that's his way. I'm just to me, he's looking at 0:58:54.840 --> 0:58:56.680 it as business. You know what. It's like, that's the 0:58:56.800 --> 0:59:01.480 story of like music, like paying chess artists with cadillacs 0:59:01.560 --> 0:59:03.600 and now look at it, you know what. 0:59:03.640 --> 0:59:04.200 It's kind of like. 0:59:04.480 --> 0:59:07.360 It's kind of like when the whole bubble bursted with 0:59:07.480 --> 0:59:10.000 sampling itself, when they found out that you could make 0:59:10.080 --> 0:59:13.680 money off assuing everybody, everybody went buck wow. At first, 0:59:13.760 --> 0:59:15.840 it was like, you know, yeah, we're just doing it 0:59:15.880 --> 0:59:17.479 because it sounds hot or whatever whatever. 0:59:17.840 --> 0:59:19.440 We're not even really thinking about it like that. 0:59:20.000 --> 0:59:22.040 Once somebody figured it out that yo, you could get 0:59:22.080 --> 0:59:25.320 sue for that, everybody went buck wow. It became a business, 0:59:25.640 --> 0:59:26.760 and that kind of fucked. 0:59:26.560 --> 0:59:29.200 The music up. Everybody started using doing keyboards, right. 0:59:30.680 --> 0:59:33.000 Is it fairer if it's going back to the arts. 0:59:33.000 --> 0:59:35.240 Is that the problem is that the people most times 0:59:35.320 --> 0:59:37.800 the breakbeats or whoever originally owns it, it's not going 0:59:37.840 --> 0:59:39.960 back to that person who really made the music. Is 0:59:40.040 --> 0:59:40.760 that the problem? 0:59:41.200 --> 0:59:44.480 If he were about like making sure the honey drippers 0:59:44.840 --> 0:59:45.480 were straight? 0:59:45.880 --> 0:59:46.000 Right? 0:59:46.720 --> 0:59:49.360 Like a good example now is the most one of 0:59:49.400 --> 0:59:52.480 the most popular comedy shows on right now today the 0:59:53.720 --> 0:59:59.919 Workaholics their theme songs, Yeah, skinny Boys, human job box. 1:00:00.760 --> 1:00:05.040 Like none of those guys are They're not even aware 1:00:05.200 --> 1:00:07.880 that there is a subculture of comedy now that like 1:00:07.960 --> 1:00:11.760 when I spend that song now, like any millennials losing 1:00:11.760 --> 1:00:15.160 their minds because they're thinking, I'm spending the work the 1:00:15.240 --> 1:00:18.200 Workaholics team, like, oh, this is a real song. And 1:00:18.280 --> 1:00:20.800 once I did the investigation, like none of those guys are. 1:00:20.880 --> 1:00:23.919 They sold their publishing and it's just like it's one 1:00:23.960 --> 1:00:25.960 guy that's like just getting rich off the work of 1:00:25.960 --> 1:00:26.560 Aholics team. 1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:28.960 So then that's the case. So if it was directly 1:00:29.000 --> 1:00:30.800 the artist, you would feel a little differently about it. 1:00:31.480 --> 1:00:33.040 Marvin Gaye was alive, so. 1:00:33.440 --> 1:00:35.720 Yeah, but I meant, do you feel paranoid because the 1:00:35.800 --> 1:00:43.560 thing is that your drums have single handedly fed and 1:00:43.840 --> 1:00:49.440 up the game of hip hop between eighty five and 1:00:49.560 --> 1:00:52.440 eighty seven and still to this day, Like that is 1:00:52.760 --> 1:00:55.800 you building those drums? Like how do you feel about it? 1:00:55.920 --> 1:00:56.040 Now? 1:00:56.480 --> 1:00:58.920 I feel? And is he trying to come? Has he 1:00:59.000 --> 1:00:59.840 ever tried to come to you? 1:01:00.240 --> 1:01:00.400 Four? 1:01:01.240 --> 1:01:04.920 Just snares and high hats and nah, that's. 1:01:04.840 --> 1:01:08.560 One thing that you can notice when you when you 1:01:08.640 --> 1:01:11.200 just have a kick or a snare from it, he 1:01:11.280 --> 1:01:13.240 doesn't go at you. Kind of I'm just maybe I'm 1:01:13.320 --> 1:01:16.080 letting some out the bag. But I noticed whenever it's 1:01:18.080 --> 1:01:20.880 he getting you. But if it's like god, right, just 1:01:20.920 --> 1:01:23.760 a straight up snare, right, He's like, oh, you can't 1:01:23.800 --> 1:01:25.360 really prove it the way he could prove a loop. 1:01:26.120 --> 1:01:27.760 How did y'all put up settling? 1:01:28.680 --> 1:01:31.360 I mean without money? Whatever? Details? Did y'all end up 1:01:31.360 --> 1:01:32.120 settling the round the way? 1:01:32.200 --> 1:01:32.400 Girl? 1:01:32.560 --> 1:01:32.600 No? 1:01:32.840 --> 1:01:33.360 I paid him. 1:01:33.400 --> 1:01:35.040 I paid him. It was like a settlement and he 1:01:35.080 --> 1:01:37.320 got like a one time payment and kept it moving. 1:01:38.520 --> 1:01:40.240 I believe it. I believe that's how it went. 1:01:44.600 --> 1:01:44.960 All right. 1:01:45.160 --> 1:01:49.320 So this leads to the infamous real and yes, and 1:01:49.520 --> 1:01:53.320 you're you're what I call the not the manum from heaven. 1:01:53.400 --> 1:01:56.560 But the two loads of fishing five pieces of bread 1:01:56.680 --> 1:01:59.320 or is it five pieces of fishing, two loads of bread, 1:01:59.640 --> 1:02:05.040 fishing five loves? Yeah, So so because you're not saving 1:02:05.520 --> 1:02:09.600 these sounds on disc. No disc was here yet, because 1:02:09.600 --> 1:02:12.640 there wasn't no way of saving. There was nothing digital yet. 1:02:13.160 --> 1:02:15.840 They didn't have floppy disc for our samples yet because 1:02:15.840 --> 1:02:18.400 there was no twelve hundred yet. Right, So what I 1:02:18.440 --> 1:02:21.720 would do is put my drum sounds on a reel, 1:02:22.000 --> 1:02:26.160 put like one kickbar and then leader, the next snaire, 1:02:26.320 --> 1:02:32.320 co leader, the next kick, boom, high hats whatever. I 1:02:32.400 --> 1:02:35.320 had all my reels, all my sounds on one reel, 1:02:36.120 --> 1:02:37.360 and you know, that's how I used to go around. 1:02:37.360 --> 1:02:39.120 I used to go with the artists. We used to 1:02:39.160 --> 1:02:40.000 sit there with the reel. 1:02:40.280 --> 1:02:41.120 What kick you want to use? 1:02:41.200 --> 1:02:41.480 Boom? 1:02:41.720 --> 1:02:42.440 But I like that. 1:02:43.560 --> 1:02:45.640 I like that, and that's how to make it for real. Yeah, 1:02:45.680 --> 1:02:49.200 that's has to sit down, sit down with them. He customized, 1:02:49.640 --> 1:02:50.880 like we gotta start doing that. 1:02:52.520 --> 1:02:53.160 I think we do that. 1:02:54.240 --> 1:02:55.760 Yeah, you do that, you play like you like that 1:02:55.880 --> 1:02:57.680 and you know you play certain things. But I was 1:02:57.760 --> 1:03:00.480 just playing drum sounds for them, not even loops, just 1:03:00.800 --> 1:03:04.080 godd shoo, that's not Oh. Then I would sit there, 1:03:04.320 --> 1:03:07.280 blow those in, make a quick beat, put put a 1:03:07.560 --> 1:03:11.280 put whatever to it, and then let them rhyme. Put 1:03:11.320 --> 1:03:13.439 the put the snare in the high hat on one track, 1:03:13.520 --> 1:03:16.120 put the kick in the baseline on the other track, 1:03:16.240 --> 1:03:18.640 put the rhymes on one track, and sampling on the 1:03:18.880 --> 1:03:20.640 other fourth track, and we got a record. 1:03:20.760 --> 1:03:20.920 Man. 1:03:21.360 --> 1:03:21.640 Okay. 1:03:21.920 --> 1:03:27.240 Now with that said, I gotta ask you, when you 1:03:27.360 --> 1:03:36.960 hear this intro, what are you thinking on? For years 1:03:37.520 --> 1:03:41.240 it never dawned on me. I don't know why. For 1:03:41.440 --> 1:03:44.000 some reason, I kind of like blocked that record out 1:03:44.040 --> 1:03:49.960 of my psychic for like years. Probably no, it never 1:03:50.080 --> 1:03:53.200 nothing that it. They have existed. I probably never listened 1:03:53.240 --> 1:03:56.160 to it. I heard it, but didn't listen to it. 1:03:56.640 --> 1:03:58.400 If you know what I mean, It is possible to 1:03:58.520 --> 1:04:02.920 ignore something and be willfully ignorant. Like there's one particular 1:04:03.000 --> 1:04:06.400 artist in hip hop I can honestly say I've never 1:04:06.640 --> 1:04:09.160 even I mean, this is like a Bonafi. Everybody in 1:04:09.160 --> 1:04:12.880 their mother loves this product. I haven't heard it once 1:04:13.000 --> 1:04:15.840 like I will. So as far as you're concerned, right, 1:04:16.680 --> 1:04:20.640 criminal minded just never existed. No, I'm that record right there, 1:04:20.680 --> 1:04:28.280 We're talking that record South Bronx well the Bridges Over. 1:04:28.360 --> 1:04:31.960 When when Bridges Over came out, I was like, I 1:04:32.080 --> 1:04:35.760 heard it, but I didn't, you know, it didn't. It didn't. 1:04:36.040 --> 1:04:36.440 It didn't. 1:04:37.680 --> 1:04:39.600 It didn't hit me like that was my drum sound. 1:04:40.800 --> 1:04:42.680 It didn't hit me like that because I kind of like. 1:04:45.320 --> 1:04:46.000 To be honest. 1:04:46.200 --> 1:04:48.960 To be honest, I never thought that, Like when Chris 1:04:49.200 --> 1:04:51.840 first came at us, I was like, now, who's stupid 1:04:51.920 --> 1:04:57.360 enough to I was like, Yo, who's stupid enough to 1:04:57.400 --> 1:05:01.200 believe this dude? Who's stupid enough to believe that he's 1:05:01.200 --> 1:05:03.280 saying that we said something we didn't say. Who's that 1:05:03.440 --> 1:05:06.800 dumb to believe this motherfucker? And I was like, That's 1:05:06.840 --> 1:05:09.360 when I realized, Yo, hip hop dumb it in the motherfucker. 1:05:11.040 --> 1:05:14.960 I was like, God, damn, who's yo? When he first came, 1:05:15.000 --> 1:05:16.800 I was like, Yo, who's gonna believe this dude? We 1:05:16.880 --> 1:05:19.920 never said that? And we the motherfucker Juice Crew because 1:05:19.960 --> 1:05:23.160 we got Kinge g Rap So and so nigga who 1:05:23.280 --> 1:05:24.400 gonna believe that ship? 1:05:25.720 --> 1:05:27.280 And we and then everybody. 1:05:27.640 --> 1:05:30.120 I was like, God, this nigga's a good, good con 1:05:30.600 --> 1:05:33.640 He caught ya niggas, he caught a lot of motherfuckers. 1:05:33.960 --> 1:05:36.600 My assumption was that it was something deeper than just 1:05:37.280 --> 1:05:41.280 him defending behind the Bronx. Anybody wasn't from the Bronx. 1:05:42.600 --> 1:05:44.920 To see what I'm saying. He wasn't fron the Bee. 1:05:45.000 --> 1:05:46.880 So where is he from? He was from Brooklyn and 1:05:47.120 --> 1:05:54.200 the Homeless Shelter Christ is from and Skylar Rock was 1:05:54.280 --> 1:05:57.240 from the Bee. You get what I'm saying, Please explain? 1:05:57.400 --> 1:05:59.000 And I was like saying to mysel yo, who gonna 1:05:59.000 --> 1:05:59.280 believe this? 1:05:59.400 --> 1:05:59.600 Dude? 1:05:59.680 --> 1:06:03.120 But then but then I started really realizing that, you know, 1:06:03.280 --> 1:06:07.200 I started realizing that that common sense wasn't as common 1:06:07.240 --> 1:06:10.920 as I thought. And I was like, so I kind 1:06:10.960 --> 1:06:12.880 of after that, I kind of backed away from hip hop. 1:06:13.080 --> 1:06:16.400 I was like, oh, let me just sp but everything 1:06:16.480 --> 1:06:18.720 was already done. I backed the way, looked at it. 1:06:19.360 --> 1:06:21.240 I said, I know what I'm gonna do. We throw 1:06:21.400 --> 1:06:25.440 Let me throw cane on these niggas real quick. Got raw, 1:06:26.280 --> 1:06:27.920 you know what I'm saying. After raw, I was like, Yo, 1:06:28.280 --> 1:06:31.400 now I'm back. I felt good again about it, but 1:06:31.440 --> 1:06:33.120 I stepped back after while. So you felt as some 1:06:33.200 --> 1:06:35.800 sort of way between eighty five eighty sixcess, I felt 1:06:35.800 --> 1:06:38.800 I felt real, you know, I felt real crazy. I 1:06:38.880 --> 1:06:40.680 was like, Yo, how the fuck niggas believe this dude? 1:06:41.360 --> 1:06:42.200 And that's real talk. 1:06:42.400 --> 1:06:47.800 Why what happened? Like, oh, like play record, I. 1:06:47.880 --> 1:06:49.640 Tell you exactly what happened. He tried to get in 1:06:49.680 --> 1:06:52.600 the Juice crew up the day I lost lost my 1:06:52.720 --> 1:06:56.400 reel up at power Play. He they was they saw 1:06:56.520 --> 1:06:59.160 mister Magic and me in the studio with Shante. Please 1:06:59.240 --> 1:07:02.520 mister Magic, listen to our demo. Please please you Marlly man, 1:07:02.560 --> 1:07:02.800 come in. 1:07:02.760 --> 1:07:04.600 The room and come in the room with me. 1:07:04.840 --> 1:07:06.680 So I, hey, these niggas ship. So I was like, 1:07:06.680 --> 1:07:07.920 all right, I'll walk in the room with you. So 1:07:07.920 --> 1:07:09.360 I'll go in the room with him. It's like the 1:07:09.400 --> 1:07:12.080 Buggy Down production, all of them. They're in the room like, yo, 1:07:12.160 --> 1:07:14.200 please mister Magic, Oh thank you for coming in. Yo, 1:07:14.320 --> 1:07:15.720 this is a demo And they put it on and 1:07:15.760 --> 1:07:18.040 plat it loud on the room like this, jumping around. 1:07:18.560 --> 1:07:20.919 He goes. He goes off to the console and shut 1:07:21.040 --> 1:07:25.960 that ship down. She was bullshit, man, shut that in 1:07:26.000 --> 1:07:27.520 front of them, yo. He said that straight in front 1:07:27.520 --> 1:07:28.520 of this ship is straight. God. 1:07:28.680 --> 1:07:30.400 Do you remember what was it? A song that later 1:07:30.520 --> 1:07:31.560 came out? You remember what it was? 1:07:31.640 --> 1:07:34.479 I don't know. I probably never heard that ship again. 1:07:34.760 --> 1:07:35.000 You know what? 1:07:35.680 --> 1:07:35.960 You know what? 1:07:36.720 --> 1:07:40.800 All right, so peep it. They they they had like 1:07:41.000 --> 1:07:43.440 four or five songs like no no, no. 1:07:43.560 --> 1:07:44.120 No, no, no no. 1:07:44.880 --> 1:07:47.640 Set they played that one song that he turned down 1:07:47.800 --> 1:07:49.600 was like, Yo, turned the volume down. 1:07:49.480 --> 1:07:51.760 In the middle of them jumping around the room trying 1:07:51.800 --> 1:07:52.200 to sell it. 1:07:52.760 --> 1:07:54.640 He was like, Yo, this is God, but you want 1:07:54.680 --> 1:07:57.880 your niggas want real hip hop rock, sane chante, Molly 1:07:58.000 --> 1:08:03.640 mal mister Magic, juice true and walked out. So that's why. 1:08:03.920 --> 1:08:06.480 And then when he's leaving the studio, I didn't want 1:08:06.480 --> 1:08:08.480 to stay in the studio because he dissed them, so 1:08:08.600 --> 1:08:10.000 I was trying to get out of there with them 1:08:10.320 --> 1:08:10.800 and I left. 1:08:10.880 --> 1:08:14.440 My real wait, how many who was in beat? Like 1:08:14.600 --> 1:08:15.640 was it Scott Chris? 1:08:16.400 --> 1:08:16.640 It was? 1:08:17.000 --> 1:08:18.160 It was a lot of It was like a whole 1:08:18.240 --> 1:08:19.000 room full of people. 1:08:19.080 --> 1:08:21.240 It was like, that's what I'm asking It was like 1:08:21.479 --> 1:08:23.240 it was it was all of them, all of them 1:08:23.240 --> 1:08:25.120 because they were so happy to see mister Magic, and 1:08:25.360 --> 1:08:27.360 they were such a fans of mister Magic, and he 1:08:27.439 --> 1:08:30.000 dissed them. So it didn't come off like Yo, we 1:08:30.080 --> 1:08:32.000 about to fuck him up, or like I mean he 1:08:32.160 --> 1:08:34.840 was that was mister magic man. He was arrogant and 1:08:35.160 --> 1:08:39.360 liked that back in the day. So retaliation, the retaliation 1:08:39.600 --> 1:08:43.200 set didn't even get into the minds of hip hoppers 1:08:43.240 --> 1:08:45.400 back then, right right, He's like, yo, I'm gonna get 1:08:45.400 --> 1:08:47.040 them back. That was only one way in. I mean, 1:08:47.280 --> 1:08:49.439 couldn't you him? Then where do you go? Right? And 1:08:49.520 --> 1:08:52.160 then what happened too? And see you got to think 1:08:52.160 --> 1:08:55.160 about it. Now, this is even before BDP was down 1:08:55.240 --> 1:08:58.519 with red alert. They gave read the record, Red jumped 1:08:58.560 --> 1:09:02.680 on with them because now he had needed he needed ammunition, 1:09:03.320 --> 1:09:06.360 so he jumped in their crew. You get what I mean, 1:09:06.439 --> 1:09:08.680 You get what I'm saying. So now now when I've 1:09:08.680 --> 1:09:11.479 seen the whole wave of the Bronx supporting, I was like, 1:09:13.600 --> 1:09:17.200 we didn't say that, but yo, the wind was already 1:09:17.240 --> 1:09:19.479 blowing on the fire at that point, so it was 1:09:19.520 --> 1:09:22.320 already spread. And like nobody stood back and say, oh, 1:09:22.360 --> 1:09:26.080 them niggas never said that. You're talking about stupid, right, 1:09:26.880 --> 1:09:28.519 you know what I'm saying. So it never it never 1:09:28.600 --> 1:09:30.560 got cleared. So I looked at the whole ship for 1:09:30.680 --> 1:09:35.840 years like, damn, well have you heard pre criminal minded 1:09:35.880 --> 1:09:39.840 b DP? All right, I gotta play events like on 1:09:40.000 --> 1:09:44.599 the box set of criminal minded. There's like they're eighty 1:09:44.680 --> 1:09:47.960 five eighty six stuff, which is like private demos. Yes, 1:09:48.400 --> 1:09:51.439 you probably heard this. This is advanced by Boogie Delle Productions. 1:10:02.640 --> 1:10:05.840 Out of this magic was like, come on, man, they 1:10:05.880 --> 1:10:08.360 got upset, but you know, but that gave them that 1:10:08.720 --> 1:10:12.000 fuel right there. But I'm saying, where's that real right now? 1:10:12.320 --> 1:10:13.320 Which one my drum? Real? 1:10:13.640 --> 1:10:19.040 I got that all day? If I don't I walk 1:10:19.080 --> 1:10:20.759 around with that. If I didn't known you want. 1:10:20.680 --> 1:10:22.559 That, I would I would have brought that we wanted. 1:10:24.479 --> 1:10:26.640 I got that out, to be honest. I want to 1:10:26.640 --> 1:10:28.679 bake it right now. See what sounds is on that bitch? 1:10:29.160 --> 1:10:31.240 That's dad ass. I would love this because that that 1:10:31.520 --> 1:10:33.960 that kick in, that snin. You gotta know that in 1:10:34.080 --> 1:10:36.800 peace the president the way it sounds like that. And 1:10:36.920 --> 1:10:40.519 I know if anybody ever uses any sample from that real, 1:10:40.560 --> 1:10:43.920 because you know how certain popcorn on your samples that 1:10:44.000 --> 1:10:46.240 you know at a certain spot. I didn't play my 1:10:46.400 --> 1:10:48.800 peach so much back in the day that by the 1:10:48.880 --> 1:10:51.080 time I sampled, it was that much static on it. 1:10:51.560 --> 1:10:54.760 And I had that static on top billing. I had 1:10:54.800 --> 1:10:57.920 that static on everybody's president. I had that static on 1:10:58.040 --> 1:11:01.200 fucking funky cole Medina. You get what I'm saying. There's 1:11:01.439 --> 1:11:03.800 too many records. I had hit that static where you 1:11:03.960 --> 1:11:07.600 can't tell me you didn't sample my ship. See, I 1:11:07.760 --> 1:11:11.360 was under the impression that. See I'm so glad we're 1:11:11.360 --> 1:11:15.200 having this conversation because in my mind I'm thinking that 1:11:15.479 --> 1:11:19.200 this is where Paul c And said, g of Ultra 1:11:19.280 --> 1:11:23.000 Manetic come into play. Oh, said found the real So 1:11:23.120 --> 1:11:28.920 let's move on. Really, yes, so that explains all right? 1:11:29.680 --> 1:11:31.839 Over because he tapped out the beat for the bridges 1:11:31.880 --> 1:11:38.679 over said G Yes, that explains everything. Also, of course 1:11:40.000 --> 1:11:41.400 you gotta tell him what song is it? 1:11:42.200 --> 1:11:44.600 What's this is. 1:11:47.160 --> 1:11:51.320 One of the like this beat you brought, Yes, one 1:11:51.360 --> 1:11:52.240 of these skill so. 1:12:00.920 --> 1:12:03.160 You got its next in there? 1:12:04.120 --> 1:12:04.560 You hear it. 1:12:05.160 --> 1:12:06.400 I'm telling you I lost my reel. 1:12:06.439 --> 1:12:10.120 They went crazy, but that's okay to you, though it 1:12:10.240 --> 1:12:11.599 was it was all good because. 1:12:11.360 --> 1:12:12.560 I found it. I found it, you know. 1:12:12.680 --> 1:12:15.519 To be honest, I'm glad they made those records because 1:12:15.880 --> 1:12:19.400 those records right there helped motivate hip hop. Now they 1:12:19.520 --> 1:12:21.439 following what the fuck I'm doing? You get what I'm saying. 1:12:21.800 --> 1:12:23.760 So I had you all in my grips because you 1:12:23.880 --> 1:12:26.600 have my reel making all these beads. Now, this is 1:12:26.680 --> 1:12:29.719 really starting to make sense to me because I thought 1:12:29.760 --> 1:12:33.880 you produced our hometown hero steady beat No Doubt before 1:12:33.920 --> 1:12:37.400 I let go. This was like a big yes song 1:12:37.479 --> 1:12:44.360 in Philadelphia. Yeah your drums, Yeah, of course. I think 1:12:44.479 --> 1:12:46.160 Lawrence was mad at me and took my drums and 1:12:46.240 --> 1:12:50.120 made a record. So it's just like, are people making 1:12:50.200 --> 1:12:51.080 copies of this reel? 1:12:52.479 --> 1:12:52.640 You know? 1:12:52.800 --> 1:12:56.760 Once? Once I put it on the bridge, yeah, it was. 1:12:56.880 --> 1:12:57.280 It was open. 1:12:57.360 --> 1:12:59.080 It was open, was the beginning of the bridge. It 1:12:59.160 --> 1:13:02.080 was open, so you could your peoples grabbing it from there. 1:13:02.840 --> 1:13:05.320 Eric B's president, you know, Milk said he y'all, I 1:13:05.360 --> 1:13:07.600 didn't use your bridge. I'll us president Due. It's the 1:13:07.640 --> 1:13:12.840 same real bro, if you got it from there, it's 1:13:12.920 --> 1:13:17.040 the same drum sound. Buddy, what was the story with 1:13:17.680 --> 1:13:22.679 beat Bider Now? So llll releases? This is really way 1:13:22.760 --> 1:13:26.240 to beat well? No, Well, I thought it was over 1:13:26.360 --> 1:13:32.160 Rock the Bells because right now the thing is originally 1:13:33.200 --> 1:13:34.880 Rick Rubin told me there's a version of Rock the 1:13:34.920 --> 1:13:37.639 Bells where he's doing it over uh the Peter Piper 1:13:37.680 --> 1:13:40.880 Brick take me to the Martin gro My Bob James 1:13:41.520 --> 1:13:44.000 and then run barked on him like, no, we got 1:13:44.080 --> 1:13:44.680 some ship like that. 1:13:45.280 --> 1:13:46.000 You can't do that. 1:13:46.320 --> 1:13:46.519 Wow. 1:13:46.840 --> 1:13:49.200 And so then Rick and l I'll go back and 1:13:49.320 --> 1:13:52.760 do it over the trouble Front break and then did 1:13:52.920 --> 1:13:57.720 another version of which mc shan claims that you know 1:13:58.600 --> 1:14:02.519 this is so what's really weird is that at least 1:14:02.880 --> 1:14:07.280 four records for like early records of yours are confrontational 1:14:07.360 --> 1:14:11.599 records of some sort between Rocks and between my early 1:14:11.680 --> 1:14:14.760 records was kind of like frustration records, kind of like 1:14:15.240 --> 1:14:16.840 matter of fact, if there was meant to be records, 1:14:16.880 --> 1:14:19.720 I did start going at people because all right, we 1:14:19.880 --> 1:14:22.200 made the Rock Sande record, it did what it did. 1:14:22.280 --> 1:14:23.840 I made the Dimples record, it did what it did. 1:14:23.920 --> 1:14:26.000 I'm like, oh, ship, I can make these type of 1:14:26.040 --> 1:14:30.479 records like a go at motherfuckers. So I never knew 1:14:30.520 --> 1:14:32.720 about this beef with LLLL or at least like I mean, 1:14:33.080 --> 1:14:37.040 it didn't really escalate, but I mean, did LLLL even 1:14:37.680 --> 1:14:40.680 realize that it was? It was diverted by Was it 1:14:40.760 --> 1:14:42.320 a New York thing? No, no, it was it was 1:14:42.360 --> 1:14:43.280 diverted by b DP. 1:14:44.520 --> 1:14:44.640 Oh. 1:14:44.720 --> 1:14:47.280 Once that came in, Yeah, it was like yeah, yeah, 1:14:47.840 --> 1:14:51.160 have you heard be By? Yeah? Did you hear you 1:14:51.240 --> 1:14:55.120 heard the remix of Rock the Bells. Yeah, the original, 1:14:55.960 --> 1:14:59.560 the other version the other boom yeah, that one. So 1:14:59.680 --> 1:15:02.200 it was just so this came out first, or that 1:15:03.280 --> 1:15:04.800 the real Rock the Bells came out first and the 1:15:04.840 --> 1:15:07.360 remix came later. And when we heard the remix was like, yo, 1:15:07.400 --> 1:15:10.519 hold up, that's the fuck that is Mally Scratchby. It 1:15:10.560 --> 1:15:13.280 was boom boom, bab boom bat boom back boom boom, 1:15:13.320 --> 1:15:16.880 boom ba ba boom. We was like, and he's and 1:15:16.960 --> 1:15:19.280 then he's talking about rocking the Bells over the same beat. 1:15:19.280 --> 1:15:22.360 He was like, hold up, that's the same same pattern. 1:15:22.880 --> 1:15:25.360 I think you were the first person to really introduced 1:15:25.360 --> 1:15:28.439 the idea of a dub or an instrumental, because I 1:15:28.479 --> 1:15:32.240 think before hip hop hip hop twelve inches didn't have 1:15:32.360 --> 1:15:36.040 the instrumental on it, right. I remember one like maybe 1:15:36.560 --> 1:15:39.720 sugar Hill Birthday Rhymes, they had a instrumental on the back. 1:15:40.360 --> 1:15:44.760 But you would always do something where it's what we 1:15:44.920 --> 1:15:48.800 now call the TV version. So when when you when 1:15:48.800 --> 1:15:52.680 you're mixing the studio, the TV version is it's it's 1:15:52.720 --> 1:15:58.519 an instrumental and it's an occasional background vocal guide. So 1:15:58.800 --> 1:16:00.960 the MC knows where they are in the song, right, 1:16:01.680 --> 1:16:04.320 So like if I'm doing the Freshman to Belly, it'd 1:16:04.320 --> 1:16:09.960 be like, now this is yeah, yes, yes, upside that 1:16:10.760 --> 1:16:14.800 right right? Like what made you? I believe you like 1:16:14.880 --> 1:16:17.080 one of the first to do a dub or whatever, 1:16:17.240 --> 1:16:19.360 like was it for the purpose of doing it live 1:16:19.680 --> 1:16:21.679 or no? You know I used to do that because 1:16:21.800 --> 1:16:24.080 you noticed a lot of my records from back then. 1:16:24.240 --> 1:16:28.400 I never gave instrumentals up to this day. See to 1:16:28.520 --> 1:16:31.519 this day, I found some instrumentals from like key Gats, 1:16:31.600 --> 1:16:32.880 like how'd you get that? 1:16:33.200 --> 1:16:33.360 Right? 1:16:33.840 --> 1:16:37.280 I never gave instrumentals up because I didn't want nobody 1:16:37.400 --> 1:16:39.519 rhyming over my beat other than the artists. I didn't 1:16:39.520 --> 1:16:41.320 want nobody coming out with mixed tapes. I don't want 1:16:41.360 --> 1:16:46.800 nobody coming out with stuff. Yeah. I didn't want all that. 1:16:46.920 --> 1:16:49.000 So I was like I wanted to when I put 1:16:49.040 --> 1:16:51.280 this record out, only they gonna rhyme. You're only gonna 1:16:51.280 --> 1:16:54.000 hear them rhyming over it. I never even gave you 1:16:54.040 --> 1:16:56.479 a space to rhyme on those dubs. I would always 1:16:56.479 --> 1:16:59.040 put the vocals up, put fuck you up a little. 1:16:59.240 --> 1:17:02.960 You're not gonna get clean sixteen, no clean eight because 1:17:02.960 --> 1:17:04.559 you're not gonna be rhyming over my beats. 1:17:04.760 --> 1:17:05.799 I had to give up something. 1:17:06.200 --> 1:17:08.439 I wasn't giving up that instrumental so let me And 1:17:08.560 --> 1:17:10.920 plus I was, you know, I used to love Jamaican 1:17:11.000 --> 1:17:13.600 dub music back in the day. I grew up of 1:17:13.680 --> 1:17:15.439 a lot of that, you know, so I used to 1:17:15.479 --> 1:17:18.200 always hear my Jamaican doesn't I always figure to myself 1:17:18.520 --> 1:17:21.760 why hip hop don't have dub versions, you know, you know, 1:17:21.920 --> 1:17:25.040 kind of like when I was in Unique learning the equipment. 1:17:25.360 --> 1:17:27.640 I was learning the echoes, the quarter echoes, the so 1:17:27.800 --> 1:17:30.439 and sos. So I was like, always like, damn, it 1:17:30.520 --> 1:17:32.720 would be hot to have, you know, to give it 1:17:32.840 --> 1:17:37.720 that reggae flavor whatever, like certain certain words and you know. 1:17:38.479 --> 1:17:40.240 And plus you know in disco they was, you know, 1:17:40.360 --> 1:17:42.320 doing that a little bit too, So you know, I 1:17:42.400 --> 1:17:45.400 was like hearing some like garage versions of stuff they 1:17:45.439 --> 1:17:47.200 would have, like the echos, I was like, damn, they 1:17:47.400 --> 1:17:48.960 need to ad in hip hop too. So that's another 1:17:49.000 --> 1:17:56.519 reason why I went with it with the Bridge. I 1:17:56.600 --> 1:18:01.120 guess that probably the most notable all even you chopping 1:18:01.200 --> 1:18:07.360 up and peached the President. I always noticed that I 1:18:07.439 --> 1:18:11.640 would say that that record, if anything starts what I 1:18:11.960 --> 1:18:17.680 feel will be the accessory noise period of hip hop gotcha, which, uh, 1:18:18.880 --> 1:18:23.160 I guess you took Magic disco machines scratching. Yeah, I 1:18:23.240 --> 1:18:27.120 flipped it backwards. That backwards sound wasn't a mistake. That 1:18:27.360 --> 1:18:29.439 was I want to use scratching because I already you know, 1:18:29.600 --> 1:18:31.479 I was into my break beats. I already knew I 1:18:31.600 --> 1:18:32.240 liked scratching. 1:18:32.880 --> 1:18:33.559 When I used it. 1:18:33.720 --> 1:18:36.920 Forward with the beat, it didn't make sense really, you 1:18:37.000 --> 1:18:40.519 know when it was because it was like, it wouldn't 1:18:40.520 --> 1:18:45.040 have made sense because them I flipped it backwards and 1:18:45.160 --> 1:18:48.240 played it backwards and triggered it and ran it with 1:18:48.439 --> 1:18:50.839 I ran it up against the kick because it's triggered 1:18:50.880 --> 1:18:55.599 off the kick. It created something special. So I was like, Wow, 1:18:55.680 --> 1:18:57.800 this is real special. I never heard nothing like this 1:18:57.960 --> 1:19:01.000 on a record ever before. I'm turn this bitch up. 1:19:01.520 --> 1:19:04.360 So what are he's talking about is there's there's a 1:19:04.400 --> 1:19:09.000 break by the magic disco machine called scratching, which normally 1:19:09.280 --> 1:19:12.200 I mean it's a hip hop staple and most hip 1:19:12.200 --> 1:19:18.479 hop DJs will it's called a stab if there is 1:19:18.560 --> 1:19:20.800 if there's a horn part in the record with a 1:19:20.920 --> 1:19:24.400 good kick under it, that's your exclamation point. If you're 1:19:24.400 --> 1:19:26.880 a DJ. So when you when you're MC's rhyming over 1:19:26.880 --> 1:19:30.720 a beat and you want to that's your important that's 1:19:30.720 --> 1:19:34.080 your fist through the door. So what Marley basically did 1:19:34.400 --> 1:19:44.640 was reversed it to create the bridge, which is h 1:19:48.920 --> 1:19:51.519 and a little bit of echo to reverse an echo. 1:19:54.439 --> 1:19:56.840 So what is on your mind at this point? 1:19:56.920 --> 1:20:02.920 Because this is extremely unorthodox, right, that's that's pre public enemy. 1:20:03.560 --> 1:20:08.040 I know, you the verse that public What is on 1:20:08.160 --> 1:20:11.080 your mind when you're doing this? I mean that must 1:20:11.120 --> 1:20:12.800 have been you know, I mean when I made that 1:20:13.960 --> 1:20:16.560 and and the funny thing about making that record that 1:20:16.640 --> 1:20:19.960 wasn't even supposed to be a record that was interlude 1:20:20.080 --> 1:20:25.760 music for Queensbridge Day? Wait what that song was interlude 1:20:25.920 --> 1:20:30.960 music for Queensbridge Day. So because there was you know, 1:20:31.000 --> 1:20:33.559 there's so many bands in Queensbridge. Like I mentioned, there 1:20:33.640 --> 1:20:35.519 was many bands. So they used to have Queensbridge Day 1:20:35.560 --> 1:20:37.160 and the band used to perform. It wasn't even hip 1:20:37.160 --> 1:20:40.640 hop yet, So what bands are performing at Queensbridge? Like 1:20:40.760 --> 1:20:45.960 I said, Fred Fowl and all the residents used to 1:20:46.000 --> 1:20:48.880 come out because it was band heavy. Dale Payne used 1:20:48.880 --> 1:20:51.720 to have his artists out there. Andre Booth used to 1:20:52.080 --> 1:20:55.280 get busy. He used to have his artists, you know, everybody. 1:20:55.360 --> 1:20:55.479 You know. 1:20:55.600 --> 1:20:57.840 They had Cinnamon used to come out there with dal 1:20:58.000 --> 1:21:00.240 Payne thanks to you. So they was a lot, you know. 1:21:00.840 --> 1:21:04.040 So we was just I said, yo, Shan, let's make 1:21:04.080 --> 1:21:06.479 a song for intermission, music for tomorrow. 1:21:08.120 --> 1:21:09.320 Wait. 1:21:13.120 --> 1:21:15.800 Yeah, that wasn't supposed to be a record. I told 1:21:15.840 --> 1:21:17.719 you a lot of my stuff wasn't supposed to be records. 1:21:18.000 --> 1:21:19.519 I didn't get into this some of the great hip 1:21:19.520 --> 1:21:21.519 hop stories. It's just like, let me throw something together 1:21:21.720 --> 1:21:25.320 right right right, change someone's life real quick. Sometimes you 1:21:25.360 --> 1:21:27.120 don't try, You just do what in your heart and 1:21:27.200 --> 1:21:30.280 it just happens. I wasn't trying to I wasn't trying 1:21:30.320 --> 1:21:34.040 to become what what happened to this day. I was 1:21:34.120 --> 1:21:37.080 just I just wanted something hot for me to battle 1:21:37.120 --> 1:21:39.360 it on the radio and just come with some heat 1:21:39.439 --> 1:21:41.120 every week. I had to. I had to come with 1:21:41.280 --> 1:21:45.160 heat because you know, everybody was going against us. I 1:21:45.240 --> 1:21:49.280 had to create my own crew, my own ammunition. 1:21:49.800 --> 1:21:51.080 And it worked. 1:21:51.720 --> 1:21:54.240 So when the final products done, like, what are people 1:21:54.320 --> 1:21:57.400 looking at? Because we didn't know I'm going to ask 1:21:57.439 --> 1:21:59.320 a teenager. And I was very much aware of the 1:21:59.400 --> 1:22:01.800 song when it came out when I was fifteen, we 1:22:01.880 --> 1:22:03.720 were just like I thought, I was like, is that 1:22:03.840 --> 1:22:04.599 a fire truck? 1:22:04.720 --> 1:22:07.200 Like, what the hell is that noise? 1:22:07.240 --> 1:22:09.000 Like we could not, for the life of us figure 1:22:09.000 --> 1:22:10.559 out what it was or what you all were trying 1:22:10.600 --> 1:22:13.120 to convey, right, But it's just I just I was 1:22:13.320 --> 1:22:18.200 conveying mass hysteria, madness because when you know, I already 1:22:18.240 --> 1:22:20.960 knew that in piece to President kicking sneer was already 1:22:21.040 --> 1:22:24.080 head bopping material. And if you put some some fire 1:22:24.200 --> 1:22:27.519 behind it, which that noise was, I just figured that 1:22:27.640 --> 1:22:30.519 it's it's like a it's like an undeniable And we 1:22:30.600 --> 1:22:34.160 played this song about about four times that time in 1:22:34.240 --> 1:22:37.360 the park. Everybody was loving it. And you know, unfortunately 1:22:38.080 --> 1:22:41.920 somebody got killed that night at a peace rally. Oh 1:22:42.160 --> 1:22:44.639 the first day we played that in the park. Later 1:22:44.720 --> 1:22:47.519 on somebody got killed, damn. So it was it's kind 1:22:47.560 --> 1:22:52.160 of weird. The Queensbridge I know of where mob deepest 1:22:52.240 --> 1:22:55.519 rhyming about like yo, I might not make it tomorrow. 1:22:56.280 --> 1:22:58.800 Where does that come into play? Is this eighty seven 1:22:58.880 --> 1:23:02.360 to eighty is I mean Cracker Queen's Bridge. I think 1:23:02.640 --> 1:23:04.760 by the time that really started happening, the crack ever 1:23:04.840 --> 1:23:09.759 started really getting higher and higher. I think that's probably 1:23:09.800 --> 1:23:12.280 at the point when I moved out the hood, because 1:23:12.479 --> 1:23:14.960 it was getting out of control. Really, I mean it 1:23:15.040 --> 1:23:16.720 was like night of the Living base heads on the 1:23:16.760 --> 1:23:19.080 block type, you know, people walking through the lights is 1:23:19.120 --> 1:23:21.400 out on the block, and it turned into a different 1:23:21.439 --> 1:23:23.880 place at night, you know, And I was like, you know, 1:23:24.280 --> 1:23:26.439 that's when I decided to move to a story like 1:23:26.520 --> 1:23:29.320 how did you and mc shan hook up? One day 1:23:29.320 --> 1:23:31.439 I met Shann. I was in the river park. I 1:23:31.560 --> 1:23:37.759 believe I was probably writing rhymes. I was probably sitting 1:23:37.800 --> 1:23:42.320 in the park writing rhymes and I saw him riding 1:23:42.360 --> 1:23:45.800 his mini bike, and you know, he told me that 1:23:45.880 --> 1:23:47.680 he could rap, and I was like, Oh, that's what's up. 1:23:47.720 --> 1:23:49.479 That's cool. He told me, I gotta rhyme about you. 1:23:49.840 --> 1:23:52.479 I gotta rap about you. I'm like, all right, cool, 1:23:52.800 --> 1:23:54.519 he said. I said, well, just you know, bring about 1:23:54.520 --> 1:23:56.760 my house. One day, about a week later, he came 1:23:56.840 --> 1:24:00.040 by my house with it written on a bag and 1:24:00.120 --> 1:24:03.160 it was mall, he'scratched the full Master us when he's 1:24:03.160 --> 1:24:05.680 the dad that's on a right that was actually on 1:24:05.760 --> 1:24:08.680 the air records. So I mean of your arsenal, I mean, 1:24:08.840 --> 1:24:13.040 where does Shan rink. As far as the mcs that 1:24:13.160 --> 1:24:16.920 you've worked with, Shan he he ranks, he got, he 1:24:17.000 --> 1:24:19.120 got his number one status and a few things with me. 1:24:19.680 --> 1:24:23.120 He has a certain tone. His voice is like an instrument, 1:24:23.960 --> 1:24:26.400 you know what I'm saying. Certain people they could rhyme 1:24:26.520 --> 1:24:29.760 and talk and singers too. Some people could sing, but 1:24:29.880 --> 1:24:32.960 some people's voices are an instrument. And his voice is 1:24:33.000 --> 1:24:34.519 an instrument. Like the tone of it. 1:24:36.479 --> 1:24:37.479 Yeah, it's like an instrument. 1:24:37.479 --> 1:24:40.280 It's like a horn. It's like it's like a it's 1:24:40.320 --> 1:24:42.640 like an instrument. So I give him that. 1:24:42.800 --> 1:24:43.519 He's really though. 1:24:43.560 --> 1:24:45.599 And his rhymes, you know, you gotta think he made 1:24:45.680 --> 1:24:46.400 Jane back in the. 1:24:46.479 --> 1:24:47.599 Day, Jane. 1:24:47.920 --> 1:24:51.479 My mom loved that, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, 1:24:51.560 --> 1:24:55.320 my mom actually loves Jane. Stops Jane and my dad 1:24:55.360 --> 1:24:57.519 see it is positive. They're talking about not doing cracks. 1:24:57.800 --> 1:25:00.320 And he had the song about Cocaine. It was that 1:25:00.520 --> 1:25:02.519 love story, right, how he fell in love with this 1:25:02.680 --> 1:25:04.479 girl and at the end of the story it was 1:25:05.040 --> 1:25:08.880 her name was Cocaine. Oh, so you know he was 1:25:09.000 --> 1:25:12.640 kind of visualizing those those little rhymes kind of like we. 1:25:13.120 --> 1:25:14.640 Were you doing live shows with him as well? 1:25:14.800 --> 1:25:16.160 Yeah, I was. I was just DJ for me. So 1:25:16.280 --> 1:25:18.640 what was his what was his what was the crowd responsible? 1:25:18.680 --> 1:25:20.360 Like he had him he was he was he was 1:25:20.400 --> 1:25:22.040 like he was getting the ladies. He had like left 1:25:22.080 --> 1:25:24.200 me lonely out too. So yeah, he had his run. 1:25:24.320 --> 1:25:26.200 He had just definitely had a hard run with the chicks. 1:25:26.680 --> 1:25:29.080 Chicks Chicks used to like she before I bring. 1:25:29.040 --> 1:25:33.920 Up Kane which More eighty eight, I gotta. 1:25:33.760 --> 1:25:37.840 Know about your your your your your brief time with 1:25:38.080 --> 1:25:41.920 with with Rock Kemp, which mm hmm. 1:25:42.640 --> 1:25:44.960 I've seen a few shan things. 1:25:44.800 --> 1:25:47.680 Where he's like why did it whatever? Like what is 1:25:48.200 --> 1:25:53.080 what is the story of Eric Breeze President and well 1:25:53.240 --> 1:25:55.560 Eric b eric Bee was like a roommate to me 1:25:55.920 --> 1:25:58.200 and Queens. But he used to come, you know, come 1:25:58.280 --> 1:26:00.479 stay at the crib. He's from Queens, you know, he's 1:26:00.520 --> 1:26:05.280 actually from Corona. Queen's all East Elmhurst, one of them. 1:26:05.479 --> 1:26:07.000 But it's the same, you know, same kind of thing. 1:26:07.080 --> 1:26:08.840 But he used to hang out with him. Pol Or 1:26:08.840 --> 1:26:11.120 Pole introduced me to him, and you know he started 1:26:11.160 --> 1:26:13.200 hanging out with me then you know, starting not going home, 1:26:13.280 --> 1:26:16.280 really hanging out showing at the crib. You know, he 1:26:16.360 --> 1:26:19.200 used to see a lot of people come through then 1:26:19.400 --> 1:26:21.000 you know when he's like, yo, I got a rap up. 1:26:21.000 --> 1:26:22.640 You know, I want to bring a wrap up, you know, 1:26:22.720 --> 1:26:26.240 and he, you know, the first day, he said somebody 1:26:26.400 --> 1:26:29.040 was gonna come. I believe it was Freddie Fox. He 1:26:29.080 --> 1:26:32.040 didn't show up, so he could have been Freddie Fox. 1:26:32.240 --> 1:26:34.080 Wait, Freddy Fox should have been over that beat. 1:26:34.840 --> 1:26:36.479 Whoever would have showed up probably would have got it 1:26:37.640 --> 1:26:39.360 because we you know, we just had you know, he 1:26:39.439 --> 1:26:41.080 was just ready for a session, So who knows what 1:26:41.160 --> 1:26:43.200 we would have made, you get what I'm saying. So 1:26:43.360 --> 1:26:45.320 obviously he didn't show up, so he said, I got 1:26:45.360 --> 1:26:46.760 somebody coming to the next day, which was Ra. 1:26:47.400 --> 1:26:50.240 So Ro came and we made my melody first. Now 1:26:50.720 --> 1:26:51.640 you had to think about it. 1:26:51.920 --> 1:26:55.559 I was just just getting in the studio with Caine, 1:26:56.479 --> 1:26:59.120 just you know, Kin was just writing for biz, so 1:26:59.280 --> 1:27:01.599 I was I was kind of like secretly making Kine 1:27:01.640 --> 1:27:04.800 album on the low, okay, because the record company act 1:27:04.920 --> 1:27:06.600 like he wasn't an artist, and I already knew it 1:27:06.720 --> 1:27:08.720 that he that he was dope, so I would just 1:27:08.800 --> 1:27:11.280 record him when when when bears would be late kind 1:27:11.320 --> 1:27:14.160 of thing, right, So he's getting an album together, So 1:27:14.280 --> 1:27:18.400 I'm working with Kine now rock Kim Kane and now 1:27:18.520 --> 1:27:20.400 rock Kim wanted to do my melody. Now now I 1:27:20.479 --> 1:27:23.840 was already rhyming, you know, fucking with g rapping Kine. Well, 1:27:23.880 --> 1:27:28.320 they was like one yeah, right right now he wanted. 1:27:28.560 --> 1:27:31.120 Now he came with my melody, which was like it 1:27:31.320 --> 1:27:33.800 was like so different at my house from what we 1:27:34.000 --> 1:27:37.080 was doing. It was mad slow. It was like it 1:27:37.200 --> 1:27:38.840 was a head bober. It was dope, but it was 1:27:38.920 --> 1:27:41.600 like a head bobber. Listen to record, and you know 1:27:42.040 --> 1:27:44.120 before he had came, you know, just the sessions before 1:27:44.280 --> 1:27:46.800 was like all energetic. So I was like, yo, sham man, 1:27:46.880 --> 1:27:51.280 recording man, real quick, wow, record the vocals, man, i'mna 1:27:51.280 --> 1:27:53.320 go over here real I'm running, you know, back and 1:27:53.600 --> 1:27:55.840 go program something else, go tap out something else. 1:27:56.120 --> 1:27:57.840 Just record his vocals. I wan't see all come out. 1:27:58.240 --> 1:27:59.000 You get what I'm saying. 1:28:01.000 --> 1:28:03.439 Shan was a He would hang around the studio and 1:28:03.560 --> 1:28:06.880 learn and see what we was doing and learn learn 1:28:07.000 --> 1:28:08.479 how you know, learn Oh wow. 1:28:08.360 --> 1:28:09.960 This is how you do the vocals. 1:28:10.000 --> 1:28:11.880 Oh this is how you do this. So he was 1:28:11.960 --> 1:28:13.840 he was learning. He was he was an artist, but 1:28:13.920 --> 1:28:16.800 he was more of apprentice learner. He wanted to learn 1:28:16.800 --> 1:28:19.960 how to make make the music too. So I was like, 1:28:21.080 --> 1:28:22.960 I was set it up. I set it up when 1:28:22.960 --> 1:28:24.160 he went over there and went to the board and 1:28:24.680 --> 1:28:27.240 punched it up, and okay, all right, I'm going to 1:28:27.280 --> 1:28:29.200 equ you and EQ and no. I just left it 1:28:29.240 --> 1:28:31.000 ready for him, and yo, just record him. I'll be 1:28:31.080 --> 1:28:33.080 right back. You get what I'm saying. I taught him 1:28:33.080 --> 1:28:35.960 out of punching, you know, I was teaching shann how 1:28:36.000 --> 1:28:37.559 to do all. So I was like, all right, let 1:28:37.600 --> 1:28:40.479 me see if you nice record him. I'll be right back. 1:28:40.520 --> 1:28:42.160 So I went in the other room probably tapped out 1:28:42.160 --> 1:28:45.080 another beat while he was doing the vocals to My melody. 1:28:45.120 --> 1:28:46.360 By the time I came back out, I was like 1:28:47.280 --> 1:28:52.040 came out and like I was like, damn, I like this, 1:28:52.200 --> 1:28:54.760 but it doesn't have the energy of what I've been 1:28:54.800 --> 1:28:55.680 doing where I'm at. 1:28:57.160 --> 1:28:58.519 You know what I'm saying. It was it was dope, 1:28:58.600 --> 1:28:59.519 but it was like. 1:29:01.120 --> 1:29:03.519 When everything else I was doing with that, it was 1:29:03.600 --> 1:29:06.519 like out here, my melody was the perfect song to 1:29:06.600 --> 1:29:09.120 do the wa right right, right, right right, because like 1:29:10.120 --> 1:29:13.920 that came out right, I just remember, right, this is 1:29:14.000 --> 1:29:17.240 my melody by rock him Eric being rock him. 1:29:18.320 --> 1:29:24.640 It's slow, It's like what eighty. What's the yeah for 1:29:24.720 --> 1:29:25.000 the year. 1:29:25.040 --> 1:29:41.400 It went with the year the base check out my 1:29:41.479 --> 1:29:42.519 melody hands out of. 1:29:44.120 --> 1:29:45.240 A beat of yours. 1:29:50.400 --> 1:29:52.799 That beat right there was probably just on the spot makeup. 1:29:55.640 --> 1:30:00.080 And then I believe that Eric Be probably liked that. 1:30:00.160 --> 1:30:05.400 Doom Doom, Doom, Doom, Doom doom the baseline, but when 1:30:05.400 --> 1:30:07.560 you hear it changed. Since I only had a Casiot 1:30:08.320 --> 1:30:10.760 Season one O one and I was able to just 1:30:11.520 --> 1:30:14.560 have one MIDI program running, I was just changing the 1:30:15.400 --> 1:30:17.639 sound with the MIDI still playing, so it's going. 1:30:17.680 --> 1:30:19.360 Doom doom, doom, and then the bell. 1:30:21.040 --> 1:30:23.720 Then you had the other sounds. I'm just changing the 1:30:23.800 --> 1:30:29.800 patches playing the keyboards. That was me. That was me, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:30:29.800 --> 1:30:32.479 I start. Yeah, I started playing keyboards back then. But 1:30:32.560 --> 1:30:34.400 then I got bored with it and I kind of stopped. 1:30:34.400 --> 1:30:36.960 I don't know why I ever stopped, but after you know, 1:30:37.040 --> 1:30:40.120 around everybody's president. I played those base that baseline and 1:30:40.200 --> 1:30:43.600 that one, so I was learning a little about the keyboards, 1:30:43.640 --> 1:30:46.120 but for some reason I stopped. I don't know, I 1:30:46.240 --> 1:30:50.040 just stopped. But in your mind, you're not thinking like 1:30:50.360 --> 1:30:53.360 this this is a new revolution right here. No, I 1:30:53.520 --> 1:30:56.000 just thinking that we finished the session and I'm gonna 1:30:56.000 --> 1:30:57.599 move on to the next one because I got beats 1:30:57.640 --> 1:31:05.639 to make. So how long before Eric Be's President gets me? Well, 1:31:05.720 --> 1:31:09.760 we made that, and I gave him a copy of 1:31:09.880 --> 1:31:12.640 what we did in the studio that day. And the 1:31:12.760 --> 1:31:16.240 next week I heard all over the radio, Wait. 1:31:16.160 --> 1:31:19.799 What's the time between my melody and Eric Beings President? 1:31:19.840 --> 1:31:23.000 How many days? It was? About the following week I 1:31:23.080 --> 1:31:26.040 heard on the radio, Well I heard, I heard, I 1:31:26.160 --> 1:31:29.320 started hearing it on the radio. And still then you 1:31:29.400 --> 1:31:31.439 didn't think like, no, I knew, I knew, I knew, 1:31:31.479 --> 1:31:34.000 I knew. I believe me. When I made Erb's President 1:31:34.120 --> 1:31:37.240 Duke's I already knew that that was gonna be this, 1:31:37.479 --> 1:31:39.160 that was gonna be it, because that was more of 1:31:39.240 --> 1:31:41.160 where I was at. You notice, I was at make 1:31:41.200 --> 1:31:43.200 the music with your mouth, beiz the bridge and all 1:31:43.240 --> 1:31:46.480 of that. And even then I think ninety seven btpms 1:31:46.560 --> 1:31:50.000 was a little slow for you, because by that point 1:31:50.600 --> 1:31:53.599 all your choices were like but one twelve like super fast. 1:31:53.760 --> 1:31:56.080 I know, but the you make the music and then 1:31:56.120 --> 1:31:58.320 nobody beat the biz was over there. You give what 1:31:58.360 --> 1:32:00.560 I'm saying. Those was real good hits for me. So 1:32:00.680 --> 1:32:02.000 I was like, yo, I want to be over there. 1:32:02.120 --> 1:32:04.000 That's why I was trying to go, and that's why 1:32:04.000 --> 1:32:06.320 I want to bring Raw. I want to bring him there. 1:32:07.040 --> 1:32:08.760 I want to bring him right right right to where 1:32:08.760 --> 1:32:11.840 I was at with super fast and not not too fast, 1:32:12.240 --> 1:32:15.120 but you know where people can understand you and and dance. 1:32:16.280 --> 1:32:17.080 You get what I'm saying. 1:32:17.200 --> 1:32:21.559 I will say that because by this point, I'll say 1:32:21.640 --> 1:32:25.880 that between you and the Bomb Squad, both of you 1:32:26.000 --> 1:32:33.800 guys pretty much revolutionizing and leading the pack of the 1:32:33.920 --> 1:32:36.200 new wave of hip hop, which is like just this 1:32:36.560 --> 1:32:41.720 sonic assault matching the time period I was like your 1:32:42.000 --> 1:32:48.559 your version of the the panic sound was definitely more 1:32:48.720 --> 1:32:51.240 I mean, it was more danceable and dance like. You 1:32:51.320 --> 1:32:53.960 could still play Raw to this day. You can still 1:32:54.000 --> 1:32:59.000 play Poison to this day, whereas I mean, you know, 1:32:59.240 --> 1:33:02.640 just the the engineering of some of the stuff on 1:33:02.760 --> 1:33:06.639 Nation of Millions is so dense that it doesn't doesn't 1:33:06.800 --> 1:33:09.160 cut through, Like how many, how many? How long is 1:33:09.160 --> 1:33:12.519 it taking you to mix the stuff? And no, you 1:33:12.600 --> 1:33:14.519 know a lot of that stuff was made in mastering. 1:33:15.400 --> 1:33:18.120 I had very good guys master and I her powers. 1:33:18.760 --> 1:33:21.040 I'm coughing bats back in the day I heard I 1:33:21.080 --> 1:33:24.840 had her powers dude, so I would come. He would 1:33:24.840 --> 1:33:27.160 hate yo. Let me tell you, he would hate to 1:33:27.200 --> 1:33:30.360 see me coming bro right, because you know I'm coming 1:33:30.400 --> 1:33:32.439 with some ship from the living room. Oh here come Mollie. 1:33:32.960 --> 1:33:35.559 I gotta fix this ship. But by the time I left, 1:33:35.640 --> 1:33:41.840 mastering them fucking yo them ships was like coom colmom. 1:33:42.280 --> 1:33:43.960 He really fixed a lot of my song. My song 1:33:44.080 --> 1:33:46.840 was made on on four tracks in the crib without 1:33:46.880 --> 1:33:51.240 dB X. Are you mcs using pop stoppers? Just straight 1:33:51.320 --> 1:33:53.639 up like what type of mic? I had a sure 1:33:53.720 --> 1:33:58.720 mic without the without the bubble, without Wow. That's why, Mike, 1:33:58.960 --> 1:34:02.360 That's why my melody sounds so screechy in his voice. 1:34:02.840 --> 1:34:07.240 Roxanne sound so screechy some sham records and king because 1:34:07.280 --> 1:34:11.960 I had a fucked up Mike Tarik refuses. Tarik will 1:34:12.000 --> 1:34:16.720 do eight of his vocals on like a sure fifty eight. Yeah, 1:34:17.760 --> 1:34:22.320 hoping to get that. That just rhyming with the distortion. Yeah, 1:34:22.600 --> 1:34:24.960 you gotta take the top off that ball. There was 1:34:25.200 --> 1:34:27.200 there was rhyming with the ball off. I didn't even 1:34:27.200 --> 1:34:28.280 have a ball. Were so broke? 1:34:33.520 --> 1:34:34.760 Do you still have that? Yes? 1:34:34.840 --> 1:34:38.479 I do. I still got that, Mike. I can still 1:34:38.520 --> 1:34:40.120 got that. If you if i'd have known he was 1:34:40.120 --> 1:34:41.400 going to talk about that A brought out. 1:34:41.920 --> 1:34:43.400 That's more. I always be bringing it with me. 1:34:43.600 --> 1:34:45.519 Have one got to they got any of your stuff 1:34:45.560 --> 1:34:48.439 in the new Smithsonian and DC, I feel like maybe 1:34:48.439 --> 1:34:48.920 they need to. 1:34:49.200 --> 1:34:52.280 Yeah, maybe after this it could happen. 1:34:53.120 --> 1:34:56.880 Oh, it's trust me. Actually, I think shout out to 1:34:57.200 --> 1:35:01.519 Timothy at the Smithsonian. I think she's a Yeah, I'm 1:35:01.720 --> 1:35:04.280 meet with her. Give her more artifacts there. That's a 1:35:04.320 --> 1:35:06.560 cool thing about the Smithsonian For a pack rack like me. 1:35:07.120 --> 1:35:09.720 I could just give her the stuff and she is 1:35:09.760 --> 1:35:19.120 the hip hop Yeah, absolutely make the connection. How does 1:35:19.200 --> 1:35:24.400 Caine enter the well the picture? Let me let me 1:35:24.439 --> 1:35:28.800 finish with the Eric Bees President because the beat from 1:35:28.920 --> 1:35:31.760 Eric B's President came from a song that I made 1:35:31.840 --> 1:35:35.040 called Stun of the Block by Tragedy. I'm gonna send 1:35:35.080 --> 1:35:36.519 you it. We're gonna put it on this but it 1:35:36.560 --> 1:35:38.840 came from a song called Stun of the Block and 1:35:39.200 --> 1:35:43.479 you know the funky cuts because DJ hot Day used 1:35:43.479 --> 1:35:46.800 to be Tragedy's DJ. So I made a song called 1:35:46.840 --> 1:35:48.759 Stun of the Block right after super Kids. 1:35:49.360 --> 1:35:51.360 The Tragedy Won't Happen to Me. 1:35:51.920 --> 1:35:54.400 Made that and then the follow up song was a 1:35:54.880 --> 1:35:57.439 song called Stun of the Block. Now Stun of the 1:35:57.479 --> 1:36:00.800 Block had Eric Be's President kicks in there at the pattern. 1:36:06.080 --> 1:36:06.400 All of that. 1:36:07.120 --> 1:36:10.000 But when I did everybody's president since I couldn't make 1:36:10.040 --> 1:36:12.600 Stun of the Block a record because they couldn't they 1:36:12.680 --> 1:36:15.160 was too young to talk about stunts stunts on the block. 1:36:15.200 --> 1:36:18.400 How old was Strategedy? He probably was about probably about 1:36:18.840 --> 1:36:20.719 twelve when he made Stunt of the Block of twelve 1:36:20.800 --> 1:36:24.960 or thirteen, very very young. He's like, wait, speaking of which, 1:36:26.040 --> 1:36:28.559 I don't want I don't want to miss it. Craig 1:36:28.600 --> 1:36:33.559 g Yeah, did you produce Veronica like all the stuff that. 1:36:33.600 --> 1:36:34.360 He did for pop Art? 1:36:34.479 --> 1:36:36.479 Right, A lot of stuff he did for pop Art? 1:36:36.479 --> 1:36:39.559 I did produce a lot of it in the earlier stuff. Yeah, 1:36:39.600 --> 1:36:43.200 oh god, okay, okay, yeah. So so what basically happened. 1:36:43.479 --> 1:36:46.439 I took the drums from Stunt of the Block to 1:36:46.680 --> 1:36:50.320 turn everything down, just kept the drums, then put over 1:36:50.439 --> 1:36:53.719 like a fat rat baseline over it. So I already 1:36:53.840 --> 1:36:58.439 had that drum pattern already for another record. I sent 1:36:58.479 --> 1:37:01.080 I'm gonna send you all that for this so wow, 1:37:01.520 --> 1:37:03.479 and then and then you could hear it. You can 1:37:03.520 --> 1:37:05.960 hear it. It's the same drums, same everything, but it's 1:37:05.960 --> 1:37:08.680 different music. But I couldn't. I had to erase all 1:37:08.720 --> 1:37:10.920 of that ship. I don't even have Stunning the Block more. 1:37:10.960 --> 1:37:12.760 But I got the mixes, but I had to erase 1:37:12.800 --> 1:37:14.479 everything on the master you need to make a dub 1:37:15.160 --> 1:37:18.080 I got. I got the copies, mixes and instrumental and 1:37:18.080 --> 1:37:20.840 all that, but I don't have the master because the 1:37:21.080 --> 1:37:21.840 beat was so hot. 1:37:21.880 --> 1:37:22.800 It's Verbody's president. 1:37:22.840 --> 1:37:24.880 If I didn't erase what was there, you wouldn't have 1:37:24.960 --> 1:37:26.559 the foundation of Eric Being's president. 1:37:27.360 --> 1:37:29.479 Okay, I guess that's so sorthy second. 1:37:31.040 --> 1:37:33.160 In my mind at the funeral for Stunning the Block, 1:37:33.320 --> 1:37:36.720 like you never made it right, right right? I got 1:37:36.760 --> 1:37:38.320 the mixes though, I got you know, all types of 1:37:38.360 --> 1:37:41.040 mixes from it, but I don't have the actual multi track. 1:37:41.320 --> 1:37:45.559 But I got so by this point, is the SB 1:37:45.680 --> 1:37:47.679 twelve now your instrument of choice? 1:37:48.040 --> 1:37:48.080 No? 1:37:49.479 --> 1:37:53.040 You're still no. Let this be a note that that 1:37:53.360 --> 1:37:57.040 all the great hip hop producers still hold. 1:37:58.400 --> 1:38:02.200 True their their weapon of choice. Yeah, I mean I 1:38:02.280 --> 1:38:03.559 still have a few of them. 1:38:03.720 --> 1:38:05.840 So you say Ninth is still using fruity. 1:38:05.600 --> 1:38:08.120 Loops, he I think he is. 1:38:09.560 --> 1:38:12.080 I mean, at one point in time he was heavy 1:38:12.160 --> 1:38:15.720 on on machine, right, So I think he's using machine now, 1:38:15.760 --> 1:38:18.519 but I want to say back in like twenty it's 1:38:18.720 --> 1:38:21.920 like maybe twenty twelve thirteen, he sent me like a 1:38:22.000 --> 1:38:25.240 whole batch. She was like, yo, new fruity joints, all 1:38:25.320 --> 1:38:26.080 fruity loop beats. 1:38:26.120 --> 1:38:28.280 He went back to it. So yeah, he's still He's 1:38:28.320 --> 1:38:30.439 still on it. And you know what me, I moved 1:38:30.520 --> 1:38:31.040 I moved on. 1:38:31.280 --> 1:38:34.320 I mean, I could still use the old stuff, but 1:38:34.400 --> 1:38:36.680 I have my twelve hundreds, but I do use my 1:38:37.040 --> 1:38:39.439 my renaissance and going to the twelve hundred mold because 1:38:39.479 --> 1:38:41.599 it feels kind of like a twelve hundred, does it though? 1:38:41.880 --> 1:38:44.280 I mean the sound, not the feel. The sound a 1:38:44.280 --> 1:38:49.960 little ashy okay renaissance, but it doesn't it didn't do 1:38:50.000 --> 1:38:53.559 it like this doesn't feel the same. I still, I mean, 1:38:53.560 --> 1:38:56.479 I've learned on machine, but I'm still like I'm still 1:38:56.560 --> 1:38:59.519 grabbing the my weapon of choices in the two thousand. 1:39:00.000 --> 1:39:01.240 I do have a twelve hundred. 1:39:00.960 --> 1:39:01.519 Big o DC. 1:39:01.600 --> 1:39:04.280 You got the two thousand. I use logic in reasons 1:39:04.360 --> 1:39:06.800 right now, I'm a logic guy or reasons. So you're 1:39:06.840 --> 1:39:09.840 not afraid of technology, No, I move with it. I'm 1:39:09.880 --> 1:39:12.160 not getting left behind at all because if I would 1:39:12.200 --> 1:39:13.960 have been the person to get left behind, I probably 1:39:13.960 --> 1:39:17.800 would have been sampling. You get what I'm saying. I 1:39:17.880 --> 1:39:20.000 probably would have never sampled that first thing and used 1:39:20.040 --> 1:39:22.599 it for what it was at that point. I'm always 1:39:22.600 --> 1:39:24.840 the one to grab technology and and use it for 1:39:24.960 --> 1:39:26.320 what I need it for. You're going to make it 1:39:26.360 --> 1:39:28.360 for what you're making it for, but I'm going to 1:39:28.520 --> 1:39:31.479 use it for what I need it for. I see. 1:39:32.320 --> 1:39:36.400 So in eighty eight, is I mean, are you overwhelmed 1:39:36.439 --> 1:39:39.880 at this point because you're making the Going Off record, 1:39:40.000 --> 1:39:44.439 You're making Cane's record, You're making Chante's stuff. Yeah, cool, 1:39:44.479 --> 1:39:46.200 g raps about the end of the photo and how 1:39:46.360 --> 1:39:47.960 and how long would you spending on these records? Just 1:39:48.080 --> 1:39:49.880 real quick, like how long would it take to make 1:39:50.880 --> 1:39:53.280 Going Off? We're making a record? Like we're making two 1:39:53.320 --> 1:39:55.920 records a day type type thing. Was like it was 1:39:56.000 --> 1:39:59.240 like an assembly line. We're making two records a day. 1:39:59.640 --> 1:40:03.160 Who's next, what's tomorrow? Sessions after session? Every day is 1:40:03.160 --> 1:40:05.240 a session? Is it still in your kitchen? 1:40:05.920 --> 1:40:06.160 This way? 1:40:06.200 --> 1:40:07.960 After I moved to a story, it became like an 1:40:08.000 --> 1:40:13.360 assembly line. That's when I met Kan. So talk about King. 1:40:13.680 --> 1:40:16.400 Now King comes to my door business. Late one day 1:40:16.960 --> 1:40:20.400 he comes to my door. Yeah I'm thinking. I'm thinking 1:40:20.439 --> 1:40:22.360 he's trying to stick me up because now I lived 1:40:22.360 --> 1:40:22.840 in the story. 1:40:23.000 --> 1:40:25.920 Finally, I was like, what do you want to get paranoid? 1:40:26.120 --> 1:40:30.559 You know? Now I go downstairs. It's a dude. 1:40:30.760 --> 1:40:32.960 Some dogs can do it at the door, Like, yo, 1:40:33.000 --> 1:40:35.200 I don't even know this dude. I don't know why 1:40:35.200 --> 1:40:37.479 I even buzzed him in my building. He got to 1:40:37.560 --> 1:40:39.120 the door. I'm like, there, I don't even know this dude. 1:40:39.160 --> 1:40:40.840 I left buzz him in the building at the door, 1:40:41.280 --> 1:40:44.559 I'm like, yo, ship, he's like upstairs, so it's only 1:40:44.600 --> 1:40:46.240 one of him. It's only me and him. So I'm like, yo, 1:40:46.680 --> 1:40:48.360 it's not two of them. So it's just gonna have 1:40:48.439 --> 1:40:50.479 to be me and dukes. You get what I'm saying. 1:40:50.560 --> 1:40:57.200 So so anyway, like you know, I opened my door 1:40:57.280 --> 1:41:00.280 like I have a little halfway and ships jo what up? Like, yo, 1:41:00.360 --> 1:41:04.080 I'm here to meet Bizz. Oh yeah, I'm like, so 1:41:05.520 --> 1:41:09.519 I write business rhymes. I say, oh you do, so 1:41:09.680 --> 1:41:13.920 tell me a rhyme that you wrote for biz And 1:41:14.000 --> 1:41:16.719 he said some ship that never came out yet. Okay. 1:41:17.000 --> 1:41:18.760 I was like, oh, this is nik official because how 1:41:18.760 --> 1:41:20.599 are you gonna know that? I was like, all right, 1:41:20.680 --> 1:41:22.200 come in. So I let him in the ship and 1:41:22.240 --> 1:41:27.200 we're sitting there. We're sitting there talking and ship. We're 1:41:27.200 --> 1:41:28.720 sitting there. You know, he's telling me that, you. 1:41:28.760 --> 1:41:30.160 Know, rhyme a little. 1:41:30.439 --> 1:41:32.720 You know, I never heard myself on the on the 1:41:32.840 --> 1:41:35.479 mic on the on the so and so you know, 1:41:35.720 --> 1:41:38.320 I'm like, oh whatever. So you know, we're sitting there. 1:41:38.400 --> 1:41:41.599 Biz kind of late, so you know, I said, fuck, 1:41:41.720 --> 1:41:44.160 let me throwing, throwing, fucking I'll take you there beat 1:41:45.200 --> 1:41:49.679 you had it made already. Yeah, matter of fact, he said, 1:41:49.720 --> 1:41:51.519 let's run. I like to rhyme off. I take you that. 1:41:51.600 --> 1:41:53.160 So I chopped it up real quick and put it there. 1:41:53.520 --> 1:41:56.880 Then then the ship had Big Dady, you know that ship. 1:41:57.240 --> 1:41:59.439 And I caught that and started like, He's like, oh, 1:42:00.080 --> 1:42:01.960 so that's gonna be kind of bond that I made that. 1:42:02.080 --> 1:42:04.000 He rhymed off that, and that was kind of like 1:42:04.040 --> 1:42:07.640 his first little demo before BIZ got there, did or 1:42:07.800 --> 1:42:11.720 was he? He wass already big Daddy, But when he 1:42:11.840 --> 1:42:13.519 rhymed ing that, I knew. I was like, Yo, this 1:42:13.640 --> 1:42:16.080 nigga is way different from everybody I'm fucking with here. 1:42:16.760 --> 1:42:18.000 This Nigga is the ship. 1:42:19.560 --> 1:42:22.080 This niggas he's the real ship. 1:42:22.439 --> 1:42:24.880 Because the diction was righty at the voice, and I 1:42:24.960 --> 1:42:27.439 was like, Yo, Nigga kind of dice and and I 1:42:27.520 --> 1:42:29.280 went back to the record coming Yo Biz right is 1:42:29.320 --> 1:42:29.679 the ship? 1:42:30.920 --> 1:42:32.559 Yo Biz writing new artists. 1:42:33.240 --> 1:42:36.680 They told me so well, and so on the low, 1:42:36.760 --> 1:42:39.679 I would just record, you know, I would just record 1:42:39.760 --> 1:42:41.400 more with him every time he would come. 1:42:41.439 --> 1:42:43.920 I'm recording a little more with him, get more, ammo. 1:42:44.439 --> 1:42:45.920 And then after a while I was like, yo, we 1:42:46.280 --> 1:42:49.880 had his album done, ship, but I kind of I 1:42:50.000 --> 1:42:54.800 kind of did his his earlier recordings around bisbeeing late 1:42:56.960 --> 1:43:06.320 son's lateness to Thank's career. Well, you know, especially the 1:43:06.360 --> 1:43:08.960 first record, because that's how we first bonded off, the 1:43:09.040 --> 1:43:11.360 first you know, the first little thing and at that 1:43:11.479 --> 1:43:13.840 time in hip hop, because you know, you just say 1:43:13.920 --> 1:43:16.920 so freely, like, well, Kane was business writer. Was there 1:43:17.120 --> 1:43:20.120 any kind of stigma in terms of being a m 1:43:20.240 --> 1:43:23.840 C that had a writer? You know that The funny 1:43:23.880 --> 1:43:29.080 thing nobody with Biz, I mean nobody never won at 1:43:29.200 --> 1:43:31.920 him for they probably didn't even know that he didn't 1:43:32.040 --> 1:43:33.800 write the Vapors first, you know what I'm saying. 1:43:33.800 --> 1:43:35.760 They didn't know Caine wrote the Vapors for him. 1:43:36.240 --> 1:43:38.840 You know, Biz rhymes when he wrote a rhyme, it 1:43:39.000 --> 1:43:41.640 was like a fun, happy rhyme, but any rhyme that 1:43:42.040 --> 1:43:47.040 made a lot of sense. He wrote the toilet. 1:43:49.160 --> 1:43:49.679 Most likely. 1:43:51.600 --> 1:43:51.800 You know. 1:43:55.960 --> 1:43:59.000 Has Biz always spelled his name in every rhyme he's 1:43:59.040 --> 1:44:05.439 ever spent to be that that was the selling point too. 1:44:05.560 --> 1:44:10.000 He understood marketing very early. I feel you're there in 1:44:10.040 --> 1:44:12.080 the last hour of this very special court Lovel Supreme 1:44:12.120 --> 1:44:14.400 interview with the legendary Marley Maaul who just told us 1:44:14.439 --> 1:44:17.680 about working with some of the best c's of the 1:44:17.760 --> 1:44:20.559 eighties and not even dating it. I think of all 1:44:20.640 --> 1:44:23.800 time period of all time, Yes, definitely of all time. 1:44:25.200 --> 1:44:28.759 So Kin and g Rap in the same crew because 1:44:29.160 --> 1:44:32.760 that version of Raw that I heard where they just 1:44:33.400 --> 1:44:34.360 why didn't that come come? 1:44:34.560 --> 1:44:34.600 What? 1:44:35.040 --> 1:44:39.360 Yeah, like, well why did I even make the B 1:44:39.640 --> 1:44:44.599 side of the real version? Your man g Rat rhymed 1:44:44.640 --> 1:44:47.560 all the way to the end. He killed it, you know, 1:44:47.680 --> 1:44:50.720 he was like g Rap, I mean it was that 1:44:50.800 --> 1:44:53.360 was a real battle. That was it was really going 1:44:53.600 --> 1:44:57.320 on that that was like really because at that point 1:44:59.360 --> 1:45:02.800 Kane was getting so famous in the crew and g 1:45:03.000 --> 1:45:05.360 Rap been here already, so he was like trying to 1:45:05.400 --> 1:45:07.439 hold He was around before k Right, he was around 1:45:07.479 --> 1:45:11.240 before Kaneka. Yeah, he was around before Kane. So you know, 1:45:11.439 --> 1:45:16.240 the the new cat against the the you know, the 1:45:16.400 --> 1:45:18.519 the street rapper, you give what I'm saying. G rap 1:45:18.600 --> 1:45:22.280 was always that the hard rapper with with with Polo. 1:45:23.040 --> 1:45:26.639 Now they get to clash on the record going off 1:45:26.680 --> 1:45:30.679 on a crazy beat. Oh man, that ship was crazy 1:45:30.840 --> 1:45:33.400 when they killed that raw ship. So even then, did 1:45:33.479 --> 1:45:36.720 you feel like there's some historical shit? Yeah? I knew 1:45:36.800 --> 1:45:38.560 right there because it was like the it was my 1:45:38.720 --> 1:45:41.320 Titans right there going at it. It was clash of 1:45:41.360 --> 1:45:45.120 the Titans. It was clash of the Titans for us. Yeah, 1:45:45.479 --> 1:45:47.439 it was crazy. So this leads to. 1:45:49.760 --> 1:45:50.200 The story. 1:45:50.560 --> 1:45:53.760 Well I have two stories of the symphony, Okay, One 1:45:56.520 --> 1:46:00.200 Why was Shan not on the symphony? Mm hmm too 1:46:01.080 --> 1:46:02.960 why was Kane obviously not. 1:46:06.720 --> 1:46:07.639 My first person? 1:46:11.479 --> 1:46:14.920 Well, basically, you know we made that record when we 1:46:15.040 --> 1:46:17.680 left the photo shoot on the back when we all 1:46:17.720 --> 1:46:20.040 standing and from this plane was that we rented that 1:46:20.160 --> 1:46:20.679 It was a prop. 1:46:22.000 --> 1:46:23.519 There was a prop. Everything was a problem. 1:46:23.560 --> 1:46:29.720 You started many unreachable, right of course. I just thought like, 1:46:30.120 --> 1:46:31.240 oh that's what we gotta do. 1:46:31.360 --> 1:46:34.280 We gotta make it. One day when we yeah, no doubt, 1:46:34.880 --> 1:46:39.040 you know, I was I was told that. The first 1:46:39.080 --> 1:46:39.960 Instagram front of. 1:46:42.320 --> 1:46:43.920 He's like, yo, you know, he was like, yeah, we 1:46:44.000 --> 1:46:46.040 get in front of a plane. We looked like we're 1:46:46.080 --> 1:46:48.960 doing it. We looked like we, you know, we're really 1:46:49.040 --> 1:46:50.800 doing it. So we got in front of that. You know, 1:46:50.840 --> 1:46:53.559 we got in front of that plane and people thought 1:46:53.600 --> 1:46:55.600 we was really doing it. And yes, we thought you 1:46:55.680 --> 1:46:57.600 were doing it. And then guess what happened? Then we 1:46:57.680 --> 1:47:00.320 started really doing it. It's like sometime you you know, 1:47:00.680 --> 1:47:03.280 you speaking into existence like that, and we kind of did. 1:47:03.360 --> 1:47:05.840 And next thing, you know, I mean, that wasn't my 1:47:05.920 --> 1:47:08.760 first time being there private joint. I was already experienced 1:47:08.800 --> 1:47:11.880 the experience in the Chante Area era, you know what 1:47:11.960 --> 1:47:15.000 I mean. So, but we stood in front of those 1:47:15.080 --> 1:47:16.519 and looked like we just came from off tour. It 1:47:16.560 --> 1:47:20.960 looked like we're so busy. And wow, after that, after that, 1:47:21.160 --> 1:47:23.840 those pictures came out and everybody saw that we really 1:47:23.880 --> 1:47:28.760 started getting that busy. They came right in. Well that 1:47:29.040 --> 1:47:32.280 that inspired and and for shar not being on the record, 1:47:32.320 --> 1:47:34.400 he you know, he just he didn't, you know, he 1:47:34.800 --> 1:47:37.680 didn't show up. He's supposed to come, he said, I'll 1:47:37.720 --> 1:47:39.960 meet you o there and he just didn't come. And 1:47:40.040 --> 1:47:42.479 you know, I put does he regret it? I don't know. 1:47:42.560 --> 1:47:46.040 You may have to ask him when you get him here. 1:47:46.080 --> 1:47:46.439 You not. 1:47:46.560 --> 1:47:48.240 Once it was just like damn, I wanted to be 1:47:48.320 --> 1:47:50.520 on that, Like I would have been salty. 1:47:51.000 --> 1:47:52.680 You know, but that was a big record because look 1:47:52.680 --> 1:47:55.320 what would have did for imagine if that was in 1:47:55.439 --> 1:47:57.960 dudes arsenal, it could have been you know, maybe a 1:47:58.040 --> 1:48:01.880 little different situation, a different turnout. It could have been 1:48:01.920 --> 1:48:04.240 a little different. I mean not to say anything you 1:48:04.320 --> 1:48:06.400 know bad would do, but you know he could have 1:48:06.439 --> 1:48:09.160 had that in his arson or like yo' chefing what 1:48:09.840 --> 1:48:11.760 you know what I'm saying. And that means a lot 1:48:11.840 --> 1:48:14.880 because master it's considered the greatest, one of the greatest 1:48:14.920 --> 1:48:17.280 pos there you go, so that that's that the first 1:48:18.640 --> 1:48:22.360 I mean, he had the crash crew and all those guys, 1:48:22.760 --> 1:48:25.000 but this is like a posse of guys that wasn't 1:48:25.000 --> 1:48:28.280 a crew, right, there's a posse of guys that you know, 1:48:28.400 --> 1:48:30.760 we we and juice crew, but we could hold our own. 1:48:31.479 --> 1:48:33.360 Anybody could hold their own kind of I can make 1:48:33.400 --> 1:48:35.599 my own record and still stand. But you know, master 1:48:35.680 --> 1:48:38.280 ast very well from being the first person on that record, 1:48:39.280 --> 1:48:40.960 you know, And I put him there as a filler, 1:48:41.280 --> 1:48:46.760 trying to put him there just in case he wasn't 1:48:46.760 --> 1:48:49.479 even supposed to really stay there. Get you get what 1:48:49.640 --> 1:48:50.400 you're holding out for. 1:48:52.080 --> 1:49:00.920 For whoever was supposed to show you mind? Who did 1:49:01.000 --> 1:49:03.880 you think was gonna was it raw? 1:49:05.120 --> 1:49:06.720 Like do you think rock Ken would have held his 1:49:06.800 --> 1:49:08.680 own on the on this video that that was too 1:49:08.720 --> 1:49:11.120 slow for him? He would have been dope because he 1:49:11.200 --> 1:49:13.400 rock He rock be his president, so he would have 1:49:13.479 --> 1:49:17.040 killed that symphony. I think, to be honest, I would 1:49:17.080 --> 1:49:23.000 have always liked to hear I think Chante. If Chante 1:49:23.160 --> 1:49:29.720 was on a symphony, Boddy we she you know, I 1:49:29.840 --> 1:49:31.160 always I wanted her to be on it. But I 1:49:31.240 --> 1:49:34.000 had a record with her already on my album, so 1:49:34.120 --> 1:49:36.920 I you know, I had a record bracket. Yeah, what 1:49:37.160 --> 1:49:40.640 was up with the war between or the back of 1:49:40.880 --> 1:49:44.240 I mean they didn't necessarily respond, but like what was 1:49:44.280 --> 1:49:46.680 her feeling at that time? Was it like all these 1:49:46.720 --> 1:49:51.040 females are blowing up with these pop hits, and you 1:49:51.120 --> 1:49:54.639 know when it's my turn? Because by that point, Salt 1:49:54.680 --> 1:49:58.280 and Pepper was kicking in. I know that whack it 1:49:58.400 --> 1:50:02.719 was probably aimed at even them or JJ fat whatever, 1:50:03.439 --> 1:50:07.120 but even I guess she even addressed it on H 1:50:09.040 --> 1:50:13.800 Bad Sister, the first cut on the solo record that 1:50:13.920 --> 1:50:16.400 she did. I believe she was her feeling at that time, 1:50:16.560 --> 1:50:18.000 was it like when's it going to be my turn? 1:50:18.120 --> 1:50:20.439 Or she just wasn't a fan of of you know, 1:50:20.520 --> 1:50:22.960 because she was kind of hardcore rap and going at 1:50:23.000 --> 1:50:25.800 people in the crowd, and you know, she just wasn't 1:50:25.840 --> 1:50:28.479 with that pop thing yet. I mean it's before pop 1:50:28.640 --> 1:50:31.840 was proven, you know what I mean. Okay, so you 1:50:31.920 --> 1:50:36.080 know she probably didn't appreciate being you know, rapping and 1:50:36.320 --> 1:50:38.840 going hard and then they come in with it sounded 1:50:38.880 --> 1:50:40.200 like a son and they didn't even try to make 1:50:40.240 --> 1:50:41.200 and it went really well. 1:50:42.040 --> 1:50:42.360 It's like. 1:50:43.960 --> 1:50:46.080 It just got lucky, you know, not lucky, but you 1:50:46.160 --> 1:50:48.280 know it just went well. Sometimes you don't put effort 1:50:48.320 --> 1:50:50.840 into something. You just rock out and say what you 1:50:50.960 --> 1:50:52.960 feel and put it in the atmosphere and it could 1:50:53.000 --> 1:50:54.760 work out. But there's some people that go in the 1:50:54.800 --> 1:50:56.839 studio and bus day ass and it don't become anything. 1:50:58.240 --> 1:51:00.840 So you know, maybe she just felt that yo, I'm 1:51:00.880 --> 1:51:02.840 putting in work and all they gotta do is that 1:51:03.000 --> 1:51:05.640 and pop and that. You know, but certain things are 1:51:05.640 --> 1:51:09.439 for certain people, you know what I mean. One thing 1:51:09.479 --> 1:51:16.160 about Kane though, uh, I noticed that he was sort 1:51:16.160 --> 1:51:20.400 of the neutral member of the Jews crew, whereas even 1:51:21.560 --> 1:51:28.240 Chris would shot him out on BDP records. But I mean, 1:51:28.280 --> 1:51:30.679 what was his position on being a Jewe crew member? 1:51:30.800 --> 1:51:35.360 Like, was it like, yo, why are you cool? 1:51:35.680 --> 1:51:35.840 You know? 1:51:36.040 --> 1:51:36.200 Was it? 1:51:36.960 --> 1:51:40.280 To be honest, they always had a special friendship. Okay, 1:51:40.439 --> 1:51:45.240 Karas one and and and and Kane. I believe that 1:51:46.200 --> 1:51:48.840 Karas One and Miss Melody moved Kine out of his 1:51:49.280 --> 1:51:52.240 place in Brooklyn when he first got his condo for 1:51:52.400 --> 1:51:54.519 his first album, you ge know what I'm saying. So 1:51:54.560 --> 1:51:59.599 they always had a special a friendship way before friendship. Okay, 1:52:00.040 --> 1:52:03.519 So so was that weird or awkward like I'm in 1:52:03.600 --> 1:52:06.760 the Juice Crew now? Well, I guess that's something they 1:52:06.840 --> 1:52:11.920 had to deal with. I mean, because Keros didn't mention 1:52:12.040 --> 1:52:15.200 him on any records. Right, And by this point is 1:52:15.320 --> 1:52:19.120 mister Magic even a factor in eighty seven eighty eight 1:52:19.520 --> 1:52:23.519 at that point, mister Magic, I would say by the 1:52:24.360 --> 1:52:29.680 eighty by the early nineties, he probably he wasn't much 1:52:29.720 --> 1:52:33.040 of a factor with everybody. Anybody was their own person. 1:52:33.160 --> 1:52:36.240 Then I wasn't on the radio with him anymore. I 1:52:36.400 --> 1:52:39.240 was doing starting to do in Control because I had 1:52:39.280 --> 1:52:41.479 an in Control album out. Put it out in what 1:52:41.640 --> 1:52:42.639 eighty nine? 1:52:42.960 --> 1:52:43.000 No? 1:52:43.160 --> 1:52:46.200 Eighty eighty eight, I got the budget in eighty seven, 1:52:46.520 --> 1:52:50.240 bought a house. You get what I'm saying. So at 1:52:50.280 --> 1:52:54.160 any point during this period, is this a no pun 1:52:54.240 --> 1:52:57.760 intended a water under the bridge moment? Like have you 1:52:57.960 --> 1:53:01.840 ever not run into BDP in those years and been 1:53:01.960 --> 1:53:03.759 like all right, let's talk. 1:53:03.680 --> 1:53:05.679 And you know what the funny thing? I took it serious. 1:53:05.800 --> 1:53:09.120 I wasn't fucking with them dudes. Okay, you ain't see 1:53:09.160 --> 1:53:11.800 me on no commercials, no Sprike commercials. I was not 1:53:11.960 --> 1:53:14.120 fucking with them, bro, really. 1:53:14.160 --> 1:53:17.240 Because everybody they were trying to take your livelihood. 1:53:16.800 --> 1:53:19.320 Right, I'm like, dude, you know I ain't improved how 1:53:19.400 --> 1:53:22.000 y'all came so fuck y'all. So I never did nothing 1:53:22.080 --> 1:53:23.879 with them. Nothing. 1:53:24.760 --> 1:53:26.959 I mean, I wanted to be in a Spike commercial. 1:53:27.040 --> 1:53:29.559 So even when the shan did the Spike commercial wanted 1:53:29.600 --> 1:53:31.800 me in there, I said, no, I ain't fucking with it. 1:53:32.120 --> 1:53:33.800 I'm not fucking with y'all. They may used to be 1:53:33.920 --> 1:53:36.720 though they could do all that, but you didn't see 1:53:36.760 --> 1:53:39.200 my face in there. You ain't seen me, fucking So 1:53:39.320 --> 1:53:42.200 took a long time for y'all to finally have that conversation. 1:53:42.360 --> 1:53:45.040 And yeah, we finally, you know, because I never I 1:53:45.160 --> 1:53:48.000 never really understood why he was mad at us. I'm like, dude, 1:53:48.120 --> 1:53:50.840 I'm always thought in my mind, why why why why 1:53:50.920 --> 1:53:53.000 he was mad at us? Dude? We the motherfucking Juice Coupe. 1:53:53.280 --> 1:53:57.559 We out here saving hip hop. Yeah, we are here 1:53:57.600 --> 1:53:59.960 saving hip hop, dude, and you got something to say. 1:54:00.160 --> 1:54:02.000 So I never understood why he was mad until one 1:54:02.120 --> 1:54:05.840 day I read his bio and in his bio he 1:54:05.920 --> 1:54:09.360 said it all happened with a chance meeting with mister Magic, 1:54:09.720 --> 1:54:12.880 and he described what happened, and I remembered that day. 1:54:13.600 --> 1:54:15.800 I said, oh, that was those motherfuckers. 1:54:17.400 --> 1:54:20.679 Then it all came to me, Oh, they was mad 1:54:20.760 --> 1:54:24.800 because that's the niggas, that magic shit. He dissed them 1:54:24.840 --> 1:54:26.640 and slammed the door and left me in there with 1:54:26.680 --> 1:54:28.280 them out. So on your mind when you're hearing the 1:54:28.280 --> 1:54:31.760 bridges over, it's coming from someone totally random that had nothing. 1:54:31.520 --> 1:54:32.760 To do with right. 1:54:32.960 --> 1:54:33.240 I didn't. 1:54:33.240 --> 1:54:34.720 I didn't understand where it was coming from. 1:54:35.520 --> 1:54:38.160 And and I guess what. And I didn't even explore why. 1:54:38.560 --> 1:54:40.600 I didn't give a fuck, so I just like, yeah, 1:54:40.640 --> 1:54:42.160 fuck it, let me just walk away for a minute. 1:54:42.240 --> 1:54:44.960 I never really realized until I read his bio in 1:54:45.040 --> 1:54:47.000 the nineties. I was like hot in ninety seven and 1:54:47.040 --> 1:54:49.920 Tracy's office Tracy Chlordy's office. One day and I was 1:54:49.960 --> 1:54:53.080 going through bios. I saw PDPs off bdp's bio. I 1:54:53.120 --> 1:54:54.720 was like, oh, this looks interesting. 1:54:55.040 --> 1:54:57.680 See what they say about the Let me read this right, 1:54:57.880 --> 1:54:58.720 and I'm going through it. 1:54:59.040 --> 1:55:01.480 It all happened one day mister Magic got power Play 1:55:01.520 --> 1:55:04.600 Studio and he dissed us. I said, this ship never happened. 1:55:04.640 --> 1:55:11.440 Then I said, oh, motherfuckers. And this was like this 1:55:11.600 --> 1:55:13.200 had to be ten years later, y'ah. 1:55:13.120 --> 1:55:15.440 Wow, So how long did it take then for you 1:55:15.560 --> 1:55:18.560 to when you see him again at some point? Now 1:55:18.560 --> 1:55:21.160 that yeah, after I found out after. 1:55:21.040 --> 1:55:23.160 One day, it was like, yo, meet the way me 1:55:23.240 --> 1:55:26.160 and Chris met each other. I don't know where it 1:55:26.320 --> 1:55:28.920 was at wasn't it was in a revolving door in 1:55:29.000 --> 1:55:33.960 the building. Dudes, I swear to god, dukes. I was 1:55:34.040 --> 1:55:35.960 on one side of revolving though he was on the other. 1:55:36.000 --> 1:55:38.120 I looked at him, he looked at that. That was 1:55:38.160 --> 1:55:40.000 the first time we ever met each other. 1:55:40.240 --> 1:55:40.440 Kid. 1:55:43.320 --> 1:55:45.120 So I came outside and I said, Yo, what up. 1:55:45.160 --> 1:55:47.000 He's like, YO, what up? And then we started talking. 1:55:47.080 --> 1:55:47.520 I said yo. 1:55:47.840 --> 1:55:48.880 I was like, Yo, that was y'all. 1:55:48.920 --> 1:55:51.840 That power play y'all said y'all. I never knew why 1:55:51.960 --> 1:55:53.600 y'all had beef, he said, yo. 1:55:54.600 --> 1:55:57.360 Then he started explaining it and I was like why. 1:55:57.480 --> 1:55:58.880 I was like, Yo, that was y'all. 1:55:58.920 --> 1:56:00.600 I was like, Yo, that's that's it was crazy. It 1:56:00.720 --> 1:56:02.080 just fucked my head up. 1:56:02.240 --> 1:56:04.680 The bridges over was the original stand yep. 1:56:07.960 --> 1:56:08.880 Great analogy. 1:56:13.000 --> 1:56:15.840 Then so after that we spoke, and then after that 1:56:15.920 --> 1:56:18.120 we got pretty cool. And then one day he called 1:56:18.120 --> 1:56:23.000 me and said, Yo, yots do album. I didn't really 1:56:23.080 --> 1:56:25.600 talk to him until like it had to be like 1:56:27.080 --> 1:56:29.440 two thousand. Damn. 1:56:30.640 --> 1:56:33.240 I wasn't fucking with them at all. 1:56:38.120 --> 1:56:41.000 I appreciate, at least as a as a fan, that 1:56:42.480 --> 1:56:47.440 it didn't escalate further. Whereas you know, that seems to 1:56:47.480 --> 1:56:52.440 be the ongoing narrative for anything post ninety five ninety 1:56:52.480 --> 1:56:55.000 six hip hop, no doubt, But I mean, was it 1:56:55.160 --> 1:56:57.160 just that that wasn't even an option? 1:56:57.680 --> 1:57:01.160 Or were you careful and where you went? Like I'm 1:57:01.200 --> 1:57:02.520 not going I. 1:57:02.560 --> 1:57:04.160 Mean, I wasn't the one to go hang out in 1:57:04.200 --> 1:57:06.800 the Bronx at two in the morning, you know what 1:57:06.840 --> 1:57:09.240 I'm saying with that shit going on. But but I 1:57:09.400 --> 1:57:12.320 wasn't a fever. I was in the disco fever with 1:57:12.480 --> 1:57:14.800 magic a lot and nothing that nothing ever happened to me. 1:57:14.880 --> 1:57:16.640 I used to be there all the time in the Bronx, 1:57:17.280 --> 1:57:19.960 You get what I'm saying. So did you not club 1:57:20.000 --> 1:57:22.480 a lot? But would you go to very like do 1:57:22.560 --> 1:57:25.640 you have Latin Quarter stories or or the rooftop or Yeah, 1:57:25.760 --> 1:57:28.040 I would go. I would go check it out. I 1:57:28.040 --> 1:57:30.320 would check it out. What was your spot in New 1:57:30.400 --> 1:57:33.600 York too? I used to like Latin Quarter back in 1:57:33.680 --> 1:57:36.120 the day. I used to like Latin Quarter was the ship? 1:57:36.240 --> 1:57:38.440 Would you go just to testing? I would go check 1:57:38.520 --> 1:57:41.240 it out? Union Square? I used to like Union Square. 1:57:41.600 --> 1:57:43.480 The last show at Union Square was me and Shan 1:57:43.760 --> 1:57:45.760 and then the place got shut down after that, never 1:57:45.840 --> 1:57:48.960 to open again. Really turned into so you go to 1:57:49.040 --> 1:57:51.560 Latin Quarter even though that was Red's home. Yeah, I 1:57:51.600 --> 1:57:53.280 would go there, you know, just stop over there and 1:57:53.280 --> 1:57:56.680 see what's going on? Because he wasn't playing at night. Okay, 1:57:56.760 --> 1:57:58.240 you know what I'm saying. He would be like maybe 1:57:58.320 --> 1:58:01.720 on Saturday night he would be there. Yeah. So for you, 1:58:01.840 --> 1:58:04.080 what's the typical night at Latin Quarter like which I 1:58:04.120 --> 1:58:07.240 would go through see the ball busters move out their way. 1:58:09.400 --> 1:58:11.440 It was like a cruel people like that. You gotta 1:58:11.440 --> 1:58:13.880 think about. That's the time of the when everybody was 1:58:13.920 --> 1:58:15.680 wild and in New York, say, it's like fifty people 1:58:15.680 --> 1:58:18.200 will walk around and just terrorize the block and you 1:58:18.320 --> 1:58:21.040 weren't noyed at all. I would step back. I would 1:58:21.040 --> 1:58:22.680 always step back, and you know a lot of people 1:58:22.680 --> 1:58:24.240 would know who I am, like, Yo, what I mom? 1:58:24.320 --> 1:58:24.920 And just give me that. 1:58:25.400 --> 1:58:29.320 I never had problems like that. Never, Never in the 1:58:29.360 --> 1:58:30.040 streets out here. 1:58:30.280 --> 1:58:30.480 Never. 1:58:30.560 --> 1:58:33.040 I don't be having because I don't. I don't present 1:58:33.120 --> 1:58:35.640 that type of energy, you know what I mean. It's like, 1:58:35.720 --> 1:58:37.839 you know, I don't got no attitude. I'm good with everybody. 1:58:38.240 --> 1:58:41.600 I'm giving slapping people DAPs, taking my pictures. You know, 1:58:41.960 --> 1:58:44.600 people always got loved when they see me. Most people's 1:58:44.680 --> 1:58:47.320 producers are doing something and they you know, in mind 1:58:47.360 --> 1:58:49.480 what I did, Yo, Yo, thank you for so and so. 1:58:49.800 --> 1:58:51.600 Thank you for at wherever I go. I never got 1:58:51.680 --> 1:58:53.640 to be I don't. I don't be having beef like 1:58:53.760 --> 1:58:55.880 that because I don't, you know, it's just not like that. 1:58:55.920 --> 1:58:56.160 I don't. 1:58:56.160 --> 1:58:57.440 I don't carry that type of energy. 1:58:58.080 --> 1:59:00.480 So how would you test a record, Like if you 1:59:00.680 --> 1:59:05.640 had an example of like a record you had that 1:59:05.760 --> 1:59:08.320 you wanted the DJ, like, would you use those clubs 1:59:08.360 --> 1:59:09.640 to test to see? Oh? 1:59:09.720 --> 1:59:10.800 Yeah, that would. 1:59:10.960 --> 1:59:12.720 I'll see what they're playing, see what's hot, see what 1:59:12.760 --> 1:59:15.600 they fucking with seeing you know, see what you know, 1:59:15.680 --> 1:59:16.400 see what they're playing. 1:59:16.440 --> 1:59:19.040 What was your greatest story reaction of like this is 1:59:19.120 --> 1:59:19.720 just gonna work? 1:59:19.800 --> 1:59:22.200 Like, oh, when I used to see that, already knew 1:59:22.200 --> 1:59:25.360 public Ending was public Enemy was a go because anytime 1:59:25.440 --> 1:59:27.600 Public Enemy music would play in any of those clubs 1:59:27.640 --> 1:59:30.320 back in the day, regardless of what Magic said, they 1:59:30.360 --> 1:59:33.240 ship was popping. But I'm in for your records. For me, 1:59:33.720 --> 1:59:37.040 nobody beats the biz. Nobody the biz was big for me. 1:59:38.240 --> 1:59:41.520 Something for the radio was extra big for me. Wow, yeah, 1:59:41.840 --> 1:59:45.280 tell me about that record preps ever find out like, 1:59:46.280 --> 1:59:48.680 what's that to me? Is one of the most that 1:59:48.880 --> 1:59:52.080 that's that's a genius moment in sampling. Yeah for you 1:59:52.440 --> 1:59:54.240 day Yeah. One day I was watching the movie and 1:59:54.320 --> 1:59:57.280 I just saw it. I was like, Yo, that was dope, 1:59:58.920 --> 2:00:02.280 and I had the v back and I just went 2:00:02.320 --> 2:00:06.120 straight to their car with the VHS and the prince. 2:00:06.160 --> 2:00:09.040 Ever did they even get wise to it? 2:00:09.960 --> 2:00:14.840 They cleared it from me one days. Label mats. You 2:00:14.920 --> 2:00:17.840 don't get what I said, So one day I'll leave it. 2:00:18.560 --> 2:00:23.800 I'll leave it at that. Never mind. 2:00:25.880 --> 2:00:27.240 What I'm saying. 2:00:27.280 --> 2:00:29.560 Hold up, I'm saying that they used it, and they 2:00:29.720 --> 2:00:31.360 used it in something and cleared it back from me. 2:00:31.720 --> 2:00:33.800 Didn't know where it came from. That's all I'm saying. 2:00:35.360 --> 2:00:37.480 This one a little bit, all right. 2:00:38.280 --> 2:00:41.520 They used something for the radio and cleared it with me. 2:00:42.960 --> 2:00:49.080 Yeah wait I hmm, okay, I'm gonna play visit someone 2:00:49.120 --> 2:00:51.200 with radio and I gotta figure out what he just 2:00:51.320 --> 2:00:54.840 dropped in my lat This is benchmarky something for the radio. 2:00:57.160 --> 2:01:20.240 Sho yo, stop playing around bringing the baby. Okay. So, 2:01:20.440 --> 2:01:22.800 for those who don't know, like, Under the Chair Moon 2:01:22.920 --> 2:01:27.040 is one of my favorite b C films of all time. 2:01:28.240 --> 2:01:31.400 Boss Bill can the classic follow up The Purple Ring. Yeah, 2:01:32.160 --> 2:01:33.280 I think it's a classic. 2:01:33.320 --> 2:01:33.960 I think it is too. 2:01:34.240 --> 2:01:37.080 It is it is, even though you know critics are 2:01:37.880 --> 2:01:38.400 it's out of it? 2:01:38.640 --> 2:01:41.560 You don't like it? I did not like Under the 2:01:41.640 --> 2:01:43.600 Chair moan. But well no, no, let me say this. 2:01:43.920 --> 2:01:45.600 It is a classic the film. 2:01:50.400 --> 2:01:51.080 It's a classic. 2:01:51.200 --> 2:01:52.800 But for all the all the wrong reasons. 2:01:52.920 --> 2:01:54.400 No, but it is classic. 2:01:54.520 --> 2:01:55.160 It is classic. 2:01:55.960 --> 2:01:57.600 I actually went to the movies to see that. 2:01:57.760 --> 2:01:58.000 Wow. 2:01:58.400 --> 2:01:58.880 I did too. 2:01:59.000 --> 2:02:00.880 I cut Church Is Wow. 2:02:01.320 --> 2:02:03.400 Yes, and coming after Proper Rain, it was just like, 2:02:03.480 --> 2:02:04.360 what the fuck is this? 2:02:05.760 --> 2:02:09.080 He's expanding expanding, So. 2:02:10.680 --> 2:02:14.120 Are you allowed to tell the meta story of it 2:02:14.360 --> 2:02:15.000 or no? 2:02:15.160 --> 2:02:16.000 We'll just leave it at that. 2:02:16.200 --> 2:02:18.440 Okay. I don't know if the remix ever came out, 2:02:18.480 --> 2:02:20.840 but I know one day I was approached by they 2:02:20.880 --> 2:02:26.640 team to clear that for a remix that they were doing, 2:02:26.720 --> 2:02:28.840 and they used something for the radio that is the 2:02:28.960 --> 2:02:31.640 most mind blowing awesome hisst story. 2:02:31.800 --> 2:02:34.040 Well, it's kind of like the J Swift remix of 2:02:35.440 --> 2:02:37.560 Let It Go, Let It Go resamples Dorothy Parker. 2:02:38.080 --> 2:02:40.080 Yeah, but does he cleared himself? 2:02:40.400 --> 2:02:42.560 He has to clear it? I don't know, for like, 2:02:42.680 --> 2:02:44.280 does Prince have to clear a print sample on his 2:02:44.320 --> 2:02:44.760 own record? 2:02:45.520 --> 2:02:50.200 That's I mean, probably through that publishing if it's a 2:02:50.240 --> 2:02:52.960 different publisher. Because I got a lot of titles and 2:02:53.040 --> 2:02:56.480 a different different administrators for different songs. So if I 2:02:56.520 --> 2:02:58.600 have a different administrator for something, I probably would have 2:02:58.680 --> 2:03:00.680 to clear it with the other side. 2:03:01.720 --> 2:03:04.840 Wow, So can you measure not cleaning your own temple? 2:03:05.040 --> 2:03:05.160 Right? 2:03:05.480 --> 2:03:11.040 Getting sued by yourself? So i'msuing myself so real quick 2:03:11.480 --> 2:03:15.000 for for raw yes to get that, to get that 2:03:15.600 --> 2:03:19.840 naked drum break, right? Am I assuming that you went 2:03:19.880 --> 2:03:22.840 to the UK to pick up the twelve inch of 2:03:22.960 --> 2:03:26.440 Bobby Birds, I'm coming to get that because that wasn't 2:03:27.640 --> 2:03:30.960 in circulation at that point. So you would like, was 2:03:31.040 --> 2:03:35.080 this from your your your your traveling to Europe? 2:03:35.120 --> 2:03:37.760 And like, what is your digging game like? 2:03:38.120 --> 2:03:41.000 As far as at that point I was, I was 2:03:41.080 --> 2:03:45.400 digging kind of hard because I was, you know, ahead 2:03:45.400 --> 2:03:47.800 of everybody and trying to stay ahead of a body 2:03:47.840 --> 2:03:50.120 when it came to these kicks and snares I want 2:03:50.160 --> 2:03:52.120 to have, you know. But the funny thing is the 2:03:52.160 --> 2:03:54.120 more I Doug, the more I realized that in Peace 2:03:54.160 --> 2:03:57.440 to President was the ship I could never I couldn't 2:03:57.440 --> 2:04:00.440 never stop. Yes, it was hard to find ship that 2:04:00.800 --> 2:04:02.800 that top that one, and you know that made the 2:04:02.880 --> 2:04:05.880 most hits. So you know, I would go to every country. 2:04:05.920 --> 2:04:08.000 I would go to. Of course, I would go raide 2:04:08.280 --> 2:04:12.000 the record stores and look for certain artists and certain things, 2:04:12.080 --> 2:04:15.280 you know, certain situations. You know. I used to always 2:04:15.360 --> 2:04:17.840 do that, but then after a while, you know, I would. 2:04:18.440 --> 2:04:20.200 I'm the type of guy like this, I love them 2:04:20.240 --> 2:04:23.840 and leave them dukes. I sample him and and and 2:04:24.080 --> 2:04:25.800 once I put it down, I could lose the record. 2:04:26.640 --> 2:04:29.080 Maybe I don't have it no more. I sample it, 2:04:29.680 --> 2:04:31.920 and it could be there once I got it in 2:04:32.080 --> 2:04:34.880 digital form, I might lose the wax or whatever. 2:04:35.520 --> 2:04:36.120 You know what I'm saying. 2:04:36.160 --> 2:04:38.400 I'm kind of like that, once I sample it for me, 2:04:38.880 --> 2:04:40.720 I know, you know, a lot of a lot of times, 2:04:41.360 --> 2:04:44.640 like like those original and Peace to President records that 2:04:44.680 --> 2:04:45.080 I sample. 2:04:45.480 --> 2:04:47.040 I don't know what those forty five is that, dude. 2:04:47.600 --> 2:04:49.560 A lot of a lot of my records, Like I 2:04:49.680 --> 2:04:51.840 got like a place full of records that I don't 2:04:51.880 --> 2:04:53.840 I don't keep up with. Where what is? 2:04:54.440 --> 2:04:56.080 You know, I don't know this is the section for that. 2:04:56.400 --> 2:04:58.160 I don't really do that. I just need somebody to. 2:04:58.440 --> 2:05:01.840 Start start doing that, because there's cats like me and 2:05:02.960 --> 2:05:06.080 maybe about fifty other cats there are now just in 2:05:06.600 --> 2:05:11.320 the present, you know, preserving history business of you know, 2:05:12.040 --> 2:05:14.320 I'm certain that wherever that forty five is and your 2:05:14.360 --> 2:05:18.840 storage been or whatever like that is, I got it. 2:05:18.960 --> 2:05:21.800 And but the bottom beat to the Symphony on drums, 2:05:21.840 --> 2:05:29.520 that that was an Aaron Fuchs hookup too. I don't 2:05:29.520 --> 2:05:31.760 even know what the hell at is. That's a crazy beat. 2:05:32.200 --> 2:05:34.720 I was always trying to figure out how you had 2:05:35.000 --> 2:05:39.640 access to all these rare forty fives that I will 2:05:39.720 --> 2:05:43.600 be charged forty dollars, fifty dollars sixty seventy eighty ninety 2:05:43.680 --> 2:05:47.800 dollars going to Japan to get you know, there they'll 2:05:47.840 --> 2:05:51.720 sell you synthetic substitution forty five for like two hundred bucks. 2:05:52.480 --> 2:05:55.880 And I'm like, you have these records. So yeah, he 2:05:56.000 --> 2:05:58.400 gave he gave me a lot, and he gave me 2:05:58.440 --> 2:06:01.760 substitution back in the day too, got that on forty 2:06:02.000 --> 2:06:05.160 forty five. All right, so we got time to talk 2:06:05.200 --> 2:06:11.080 about Uncleel Yeah, I always got Yeah, give us the story, 2:06:11.240 --> 2:06:13.760 like how I mean, at this point, you have the 2:06:13.800 --> 2:06:16.680 world in your hands. You you you came with rock Sand, 2:06:16.760 --> 2:06:21.360 you came with Chan, you came with Caine, He came 2:06:21.400 --> 2:06:23.120 with Master as he came with Kraigg. 2:06:24.720 --> 2:06:25.800 Then I left the Juice Crew. 2:06:25.920 --> 2:06:27.880 That's right, you went to Uptown for a second. That's right. 2:06:28.080 --> 2:06:30.680 I had left the Juice Crew because how how it 2:06:30.840 --> 2:06:32.840 was like at that point, I got tired of it. 2:06:32.880 --> 2:06:35.480 I was like, Dukes, man, I did all this, Yo, 2:06:35.600 --> 2:06:37.880 I made like four albums this year. I only made 2:06:37.920 --> 2:06:40.800 two hundred thousand dollars. I was a staff producer with 2:06:40.920 --> 2:06:43.160 Cold Chilling, and I was like, yo, I only made 2:06:43.200 --> 2:06:46.160 I made four albums that year, and I was making 2:06:46.200 --> 2:06:48.880 two hundred thousand dollars a year. And I'm like, Dukes, 2:06:48.920 --> 2:06:52.200 I could make one album and get three fifty four hundred. 2:06:52.920 --> 2:06:53.760 You get what I'm saying. 2:06:54.080 --> 2:06:55.880 So I was like, that was it. After I did 2:06:55.920 --> 2:06:57.560 those four albums, I broke out. 2:06:57.840 --> 2:06:58.240 So that was what. 2:06:58.840 --> 2:07:00.840 You didn't really do none of this, I'm gonna say 2:07:00.840 --> 2:07:02.160 you never did no one sophomore. 2:07:02.520 --> 2:07:03.360 Let me tell you what I did. 2:07:03.520 --> 2:07:05.640 To be honest with Cold Chilling, our doctor dre them, 2:07:05.680 --> 2:07:08.560 I just walked away. I was like, y'all can have this, 2:07:08.720 --> 2:07:09.560 y'all do this go ahead? 2:07:10.000 --> 2:07:12.600 Was a row. 2:07:14.200 --> 2:07:16.920 At that point, I mean, there wasn't. It wasn't nothing, 2:07:17.000 --> 2:07:19.600 nothing crazy like that. It's just that I figured I 2:07:19.640 --> 2:07:22.200 could make more money over here. So I took that 2:07:22.280 --> 2:07:25.800 took Tragedy, Craig g and we went we went our way, 2:07:26.400 --> 2:07:29.000 and then I was working with Heavy D. I had 2:07:29.120 --> 2:07:31.440 hits with Heavy D that started toppling what I was 2:07:31.480 --> 2:07:34.080 doing over there. You get what I'm saying. I made 2:07:34.160 --> 2:07:35.720 a lot of good records at Cold Chill, and we 2:07:35.800 --> 2:07:38.720 had a lot of good a lot of good historical 2:07:38.840 --> 2:07:42.160 records Chilling. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you kind of built that. 2:07:42.400 --> 2:07:47.240 But those are not my most successful records in my catalog. 2:07:47.560 --> 2:07:47.960 I get it. 2:07:48.000 --> 2:07:51.760 But from a from a sentimental standpoint, we're always going 2:07:51.840 --> 2:07:55.200 to think, oh, raw, aproach the rich, all that stuff, 2:07:55.720 --> 2:07:57.600 you know, But those are not the ones you know 2:07:57.800 --> 2:08:00.200 those are those are great records, but those are out 2:08:00.200 --> 2:08:01.920 my grossing records that I could live off of to 2:08:02.000 --> 2:08:05.600 this day. I feel you understand. So it's a difference. 2:08:06.560 --> 2:08:09.080 You know, I can't retire off that ship unless somebody 2:08:09.200 --> 2:08:12.560 sample it, you know what I mean. Before before you 2:08:12.600 --> 2:08:16.280 get into ll right, Okay, you work with Tragedy when 2:08:16.320 --> 2:08:19.800 he was twelve, and then when he changed to Intelligent Hitler, 2:08:19.960 --> 2:08:23.600 right that that I think that Intelligent Hitler record is 2:08:23.680 --> 2:08:26.080 probably one of your most slept on the rest of 2:08:26.120 --> 2:08:35.840 the president. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because that's come out party. 2:08:35.880 --> 2:08:37.760 That was my come out party. Bro, that was my 2:08:37.880 --> 2:08:40.640 come out party where I'm away from cold chilling. I'm 2:08:40.680 --> 2:08:43.000 doing what the funk I want right now I got 2:08:43.120 --> 2:08:46.440 I got this militant black dude that's one of throws 2:08:46.520 --> 2:08:49.000 fists up and pump the pump the issue. 2:08:49.280 --> 2:08:52.320 Let's go black and proud. Rest the president? 2:08:52.440 --> 2:08:54.640 What when you made that beat like that? 2:08:54.960 --> 2:08:57.240 To me was like, yeah, the President? 2:08:57.600 --> 2:09:01.640 Yeah, that and and intelligence was due? 2:09:04.320 --> 2:09:05.120 What sample was that? 2:09:06.600 --> 2:09:09.480 What sample is that we remade that? 2:09:09.840 --> 2:09:14.040 We remade that for game period and didn't That's just 2:09:14.160 --> 2:09:16.080 I put it on the shelf. But that was one 2:09:16.120 --> 2:09:20.760 of my favorite Marley mal Piano lines. I can't, I can't, 2:09:21.080 --> 2:09:21.840 I can't reveal it. 2:09:23.040 --> 2:09:24.680 Come on, man, I could reveal it. 2:09:25.640 --> 2:09:26.480 I can't reveal it. 2:09:26.840 --> 2:09:29.040 Not even in private, not on the air. 2:09:29.200 --> 2:09:35.520 But but but you know you, I think that's when 2:09:35.560 --> 2:09:38.800 I first left, you know, I started working with Heavy 2:09:39.120 --> 2:09:41.040 and I went to uptowns. They loved me. Yeah, I 2:09:41.080 --> 2:09:43.000 did girls, they loved me. I did Overweight Loves in 2:09:43.080 --> 2:09:47.240 the house, I worked on what else weight Loves and 2:09:47.240 --> 2:09:49.800 the house girls they love me. Mister big stuff, you 2:09:49.880 --> 2:09:53.520 get what you worked on that too. I was part 2:09:53.560 --> 2:09:56.000 of it. So and then the Uptown's kicking it. So 2:09:57.960 --> 2:10:00.720 so that's when id I left the Juice. I broke out. 2:10:00.760 --> 2:10:03.280 I was like, I'm not fucking I'm done. I did 2:10:03.440 --> 2:10:05.920 enough that I'm gonna do. You know what I'm saying. 2:10:05.960 --> 2:10:07.680 I didn't want to. I don't want to even you know. 2:10:07.760 --> 2:10:09.560 I just went over there and started working with them. 2:10:10.040 --> 2:10:13.160 So started developing heavy with the Biz and Caine and 2:10:14.200 --> 2:10:17.160 and got with Teddy Riley. Yeah. Can't out with Teddy, 2:10:17.240 --> 2:10:20.200 I know, but I get a job done with jam 2:10:20.840 --> 2:10:22.800 Like I like that. That was a good joint. 2:10:23.680 --> 2:10:24.280 He was cool. 2:10:24.520 --> 2:10:25.720 I mean it was. 2:10:25.800 --> 2:10:30.720 It was good, but it wasn't. It wasn't and it 2:10:30.840 --> 2:10:33.200 wasn't what people expected to hear from him at that point. 2:10:33.280 --> 2:10:38.440 I know, but I always considered side to its aid. 2:10:39.240 --> 2:10:45.920 As the deep voice, the dark gable and more this. 2:10:48.000 --> 2:10:51.000 You know, I wish you because that that was leading 2:10:51.080 --> 2:10:54.120 to taste of chocolate. It was just like, okay, Very 2:10:54.200 --> 2:10:57.160 White and Alison Williams. He left about. 2:10:58.920 --> 2:10:59.520 No wrong with it. 2:11:00.200 --> 2:11:00.800 That's what I'm saying. 2:11:01.360 --> 2:11:09.920 Barry White, Yeah, yeah, are you doing this to actually 2:11:09.920 --> 2:11:12.040 wait a minute, know you did the day your mind. 2:11:12.040 --> 2:11:14.640 I t J Swan. 2:11:14.680 --> 2:11:16.920 We didn't talk about we gotta talk about TJ Swan. 2:11:17.040 --> 2:11:18.440 We're and who, well. 2:11:18.280 --> 2:11:22.760 Who TJ Swan? Who is the TJ t J Swan 2:11:22.960 --> 2:11:26.480 was brought on? Because I see t J Swan. It's 2:11:26.600 --> 2:11:30.400 not there's some another artist with t J Swan that 2:11:31.960 --> 2:11:35.960 is not the singing t J Swan. Right, Yeah, it 2:11:36.080 --> 2:11:37.440 was a few. It's like it was a t J 2:11:37.560 --> 2:11:40.840 Swan before him. It was like another dude rhyming. Then 2:11:40.880 --> 2:11:42.760 it was a singing guy. It was. It was it 2:11:42.840 --> 2:11:45.240 was somebody that made a record before even he made. 2:11:45.320 --> 2:11:47.360 You know, I thought his record was going to come out. 2:11:47.600 --> 2:11:47.800 It was. 2:11:48.040 --> 2:11:48.840 It was supposed he was. 2:11:49.080 --> 2:11:54.960 He was signed to Arista a side deal, Davis. Let 2:11:55.000 --> 2:11:59.360 me tell you something. Let me tell you to be honest. 2:12:00.920 --> 2:12:03.800 Stop stopping. There was supposed to be a t J 2:12:03.960 --> 2:12:04.960 Swan and Whitney. 2:12:05.120 --> 2:12:05.400 Do it. 2:12:07.880 --> 2:12:07.920 You? 2:12:12.600 --> 2:12:17.160 I'm not lying t J and Whitney. 2:12:17.480 --> 2:12:21.120 Yo, oh god, you. 2:12:22.800 --> 2:12:23.160 Want to know. 2:12:24.760 --> 2:12:26.560 Like the. 2:12:28.080 --> 2:12:29.520 Let me play? Let me wait? 2:12:29.680 --> 2:12:33.000 Is he still gonna let me lonely? Lord Jesus christ 2:12:33.040 --> 2:12:39.640 one is the best worst singer ever? Wait wait, I 2:12:39.680 --> 2:12:42.200 gotta find I gotta let me play. 2:12:42.280 --> 2:12:45.720 Let me lone you speech? 2:12:46.120 --> 2:12:49.320 She told me her name gave him and when I 2:12:49.440 --> 2:12:52.320 stepped and she sat a better call. It took about 2:12:52.400 --> 2:12:52.720 him up. 2:12:52.920 --> 2:12:54.000 She was finally mom. 2:12:54.320 --> 2:12:55.560 Everything was going school. 2:12:55.680 --> 2:12:56.880 We were doing fun. 2:12:57.560 --> 2:12:59.480 After a while, it wasn't a thing. 2:12:59.800 --> 2:13:01.080 We either holding hands. 2:13:01.120 --> 2:13:02.360 So she was under my wings. 2:13:02.400 --> 2:13:05.320 She wings, but in my ear, I'm the one and coolie. 2:13:05.360 --> 2:13:07.520 But she framed with another man and not me. 2:13:07.800 --> 2:13:15.240 No, Marvel's Marlin Williams, one of my idols, the reason 2:13:15.320 --> 2:13:19.120 why I even have nineteen jobs today, has. 2:13:19.040 --> 2:13:19.800 Just sold me. 2:13:21.440 --> 2:13:27.920 That TJ. Swan, the Loneius Jerome Swann was about to 2:13:28.040 --> 2:13:29.760 record with Whitney. 2:13:29.840 --> 2:13:31.880 For to be honest, it was. 2:13:31.960 --> 2:13:34.320 It was like a deal that Clive was like, your 2:13:34.400 --> 2:13:37.600 Clod was like, yo, I want TJ Swan because because 2:13:37.640 --> 2:13:40.280 TJ Swan was on all these all these street songs. 2:13:40.480 --> 2:13:42.400 You get what I'm saying, make the music with. 2:13:42.440 --> 2:13:45.640 Your mouth, piz. Nobody beats the biz, and I think 2:13:45.680 --> 2:13:47.360 they wanted some of that. They wanted some of that, 2:13:48.160 --> 2:13:50.360 you get what I'm saying, right, because they started their 2:13:50.520 --> 2:13:53.640 division in the eighty eight with Eddie Murphy's brother. 2:13:53.960 --> 2:13:58.080 Yeah, I did. 2:13:58.560 --> 2:14:03.880 That was relative right, So you think it was Whitney 2:14:03.920 --> 2:14:06.280 to put the knicks on it, like no, no, no, no, no, no, 2:14:08.000 --> 2:14:11.160 it's something happened with Cold Chilling where he was going 2:14:11.240 --> 2:14:14.160 to put put out Swan and then a cole came 2:14:14.200 --> 2:14:16.600 from somebody at Cold Chilling and he didn't want to 2:14:16.640 --> 2:14:18.760 be involved with going back and forth. So he's like, yo, 2:14:18.840 --> 2:14:21.800 he's going to pass on this one. But you know, 2:14:22.720 --> 2:14:29.480 you know that's that's basically what it was. We're here 2:14:29.520 --> 2:14:34.120 with Malle mal Uh talking about the career that could 2:14:34.120 --> 2:14:39.280 have been the great t J. Swan, So we kind 2:14:39.320 --> 2:14:43.920 of joke about how on the show Unsung, like hip 2:14:43.960 --> 2:14:46.320 hop is always the villain, like for a lot of 2:14:46.360 --> 2:14:47.400 these soul bhoops. 2:14:47.280 --> 2:14:51.200 And then hip hop came and destroyed, you know, their career. 2:14:52.400 --> 2:14:57.640 But New Jack Swing is slowly coming around the corner 2:14:58.040 --> 2:15:03.440 and is sort of edging traditional hip hop as the 2:15:04.520 --> 2:15:06.440 new choice or whatever, Like, how are you adjusting it 2:15:06.520 --> 2:15:08.960 to it? Because now I'm starting to hear like at 2:15:09.280 --> 2:15:11.360 least on live on stage and some of the stuff 2:15:11.400 --> 2:15:17.720 that the bumpy basslines that that that fresh Prince baseline 2:15:18.360 --> 2:15:22.160 right right right right, So how are you adjusting to 2:15:23.560 --> 2:15:25.880 To be honest, I mean, I accept the New Jack's 2:15:26.080 --> 2:15:28.240 Swing when it came in because I really admired what 2:15:28.880 --> 2:15:31.360 Teddy was doing back then because one thing I could 2:15:31.360 --> 2:15:33.120 tell you about Teddy. He was the guy that was 2:15:33.720 --> 2:15:36.960 taking hip hop sounds and putting it to R and 2:15:37.080 --> 2:15:40.480 B and key right, And I was like, Wow, that's 2:15:40.600 --> 2:15:44.320 kind of dope. That's like different. So I started I 2:15:44.400 --> 2:15:47.000 started doing some remix like that too, kind of like 2:15:47.080 --> 2:15:50.160 you know, I've produced the feel a few songs with 2:15:50.480 --> 2:15:53.640 a little bouncy be baseline, round Away Girl and one 2:15:53.680 --> 2:15:58.080 of those little baselines. You get what I'm saying. So 2:15:58.600 --> 2:16:00.560 I kind of made a few joins. It's like that too, 2:16:00.640 --> 2:16:04.120 because you believe me, I used that that Yamaha that 2:16:05.520 --> 2:16:05.720 I was. 2:16:05.720 --> 2:16:08.400 Going to ask, what is what is your keyboard choice? 2:16:09.960 --> 2:16:10.480 Like what is it? 2:16:10.600 --> 2:16:10.960 Back then? 2:16:11.400 --> 2:16:16.760 That was a Yamaha t Z, a small little module 2:16:17.360 --> 2:16:20.200 that the base base. Anybody was using that one just before. 2:16:20.400 --> 2:16:22.120 I wanted to touch on this before we forgot, because 2:16:22.160 --> 2:16:24.480 I think like no one ever talks about these guys. 2:16:24.760 --> 2:16:28.920 The Flex. Oh yes, the Flex were the guys are 2:16:28.920 --> 2:16:32.640 singing on Darren Lighty Around the Way Girl. How do 2:16:32.720 --> 2:16:33.200 you know this? 2:16:33.800 --> 2:16:35.640 I was waiting for that album to come out after 2:16:36.600 --> 2:16:39.760 and the Flex also had do you know this? Mamas? 2:16:39.760 --> 2:16:42.840 They lecked you out on Around the Way search. 2:16:43.959 --> 2:16:45.320 Now, let me read the liner notes. 2:16:46.000 --> 2:16:48.480 But let me explain what happened to them after this, okay, 2:16:48.480 --> 2:16:54.440 who They became very very big after Around the Way girl, 2:16:54.520 --> 2:16:56.800 But you may not know you're about to drop I'm 2:16:56.800 --> 2:16:57.720 about to drop a bomb. 2:16:57.800 --> 2:16:58.440 Let me get it righty. 2:17:00.120 --> 2:17:04.880 They they produced Jehen, they produced Jahen. So all the 2:17:04.959 --> 2:17:08.680 backgrounds is one of the guys, Cliff Lighty, he does 2:17:08.720 --> 2:17:12.800 all Johann's backgrounds. Could it beat it? Every Jaen background? 2:17:13.480 --> 2:17:17.280 Cliff Lighty is doing all right. Chris his brother, his brother, 2:17:17.360 --> 2:17:22.520 that's the different set of Lighties. His brother Darren produces. 2:17:22.720 --> 2:17:25.760 In touch due to hight Wow. 2:17:26.600 --> 2:17:26.760 Yes. 2:17:29.800 --> 2:17:31.400 And then what else did they do? 2:17:31.520 --> 2:17:31.800 They did? 2:17:32.240 --> 2:17:32.600 They did? 2:17:32.800 --> 2:17:34.600 Like it was so many records they did. 2:17:34.640 --> 2:17:34.920 They did? 2:17:37.280 --> 2:17:37.680 What else? 2:17:37.760 --> 2:17:37.880 Oh? 2:17:38.080 --> 2:17:40.160 And then Eric from the group became in Black Street. 2:17:41.040 --> 2:17:44.320 Oh Eric, Wow. 2:17:46.720 --> 2:17:49.040 I'm trying to tell you. So all of them, all 2:17:49.040 --> 2:17:51.760 of them did very very well after Around Away Girl. 2:17:52.240 --> 2:17:53.760 That was kind of like an intro for them. But 2:17:53.879 --> 2:17:54.800 you know, Cliff did. 2:17:55.840 --> 2:17:56.199 Of course. 2:17:56.360 --> 2:17:57.840 I walked in the sand Mash one day. 2:18:00.160 --> 2:18:02.840 There's a lot of visitings. I walked into sam Ash 2:18:02.959 --> 2:18:06.600 one day. I was looking at a keyboard. The salesman 2:18:06.720 --> 2:18:08.280 was showing me on the keyboard, say he it does this, 2:18:08.800 --> 2:18:10.600 it does this. Boom boom, it does this. He made 2:18:10.640 --> 2:18:11.320 a beat right in frame. 2:18:11.400 --> 2:18:12.800 I was like, oh, that ship is hot. 2:18:13.080 --> 2:18:16.080 Give me two of those, right, I get it home. 2:18:16.120 --> 2:18:20.240 I can't do nothing. I go back to the store. Yo, 2:18:20.360 --> 2:18:22.680 my man, I can't do none of that. He's like, Yo, 2:18:22.800 --> 2:18:23.760 it's so easy. He did it. 2:18:23.920 --> 2:18:25.600 I was like, Yo, hold up, man, how much you 2:18:25.720 --> 2:18:26.160 making him? 2:18:26.200 --> 2:18:26.280 Bro? 2:18:26.520 --> 2:18:35.240 That was Darren Lighty, straight up changing people's lives. How 2:18:35.320 --> 2:18:36.720 much you're working. How much you get up here in 2:18:36.800 --> 2:18:39.280 sam mash Because I could double that, y'all. He quit 2:18:39.400 --> 2:18:42.760 that day, came up to the house, It hits, and 2:18:43.280 --> 2:18:46.400 that was it. We was good and we started and 2:18:46.480 --> 2:18:49.240 we started making on the spot, and he showed me. 2:18:49.480 --> 2:18:53.640 He became my programmer. And then into the picture now 2:18:53.879 --> 2:18:56.920 ll I was he was. I was doing my radio 2:18:56.920 --> 2:18:59.480 show and he's promoting Walking with the Panther, And you know, 2:18:59.680 --> 2:19:03.440 I knew wasn't the greatest album for him, but I 2:19:03.560 --> 2:19:04.800 still was giving them crops. 2:19:05.560 --> 2:19:06.720 I still giving them problem. 2:19:09.600 --> 2:19:12.720 Look it came out dropping them and like it was, 2:19:13.520 --> 2:19:14.039 it was joint. 2:19:14.160 --> 2:19:14.840 Jingling was on. 2:19:16.120 --> 2:19:16.560 I didn't like. 2:19:17.959 --> 2:19:19.320 I like, I didn't like. 2:19:20.080 --> 2:19:21.560 That's what got me on. I said, yo, let me 2:19:21.640 --> 2:19:22.360 remix that joint. 2:19:22.400 --> 2:19:26.200 When you said running niggas over like reading that, Trucker said, 2:19:26.200 --> 2:19:30.960 oh yeah, said okay, and then Brian vocals that was 2:19:31.080 --> 2:19:36.000 Jim Kelly's karate. Yeah, that was like, bro, you didn't 2:19:36.040 --> 2:19:39.480 like that dropping them Nitro? Uh what else? I like 2:19:39.920 --> 2:19:47.640 the joint on side to know, like squad had four 2:19:47.760 --> 2:19:52.720 good joints on that you didn't like Big four with 2:19:52.920 --> 2:19:53.480 your drums. 2:19:54.800 --> 2:19:58.360 Yes you said four right, like twenty songs on it. 2:19:58.760 --> 2:19:59.600 Yeah, it did you know? 2:19:59.720 --> 2:20:01.360 Okay, you know what I and it had your my 2:20:01.480 --> 2:20:10.040 heart on it in two different worlds. Now, look here's 2:20:10.080 --> 2:20:14.359 the thing. Here's the thing, all right, And that wasn't. 2:20:14.200 --> 2:20:19.640 TJ Swan walking with the panther is sentimental to me. 2:20:20.280 --> 2:20:22.279 I just graduated high school. 2:20:22.879 --> 2:20:23.879 It just came out. 2:20:24.640 --> 2:20:26.960 I was curious to figure out if LLLL was going 2:20:27.000 --> 2:20:30.640 to graduate to break beat. So the fact that dropping 2:20:30.720 --> 2:20:33.959 him used the meters joining I was like, okay, he's 2:20:34.520 --> 2:20:38.280 he's because LL is always like an indicator for what 2:20:38.840 --> 2:20:41.040 will he jumped to that next level or not, you 2:20:41.120 --> 2:20:41.560 know what I mean? 2:20:42.480 --> 2:20:44.680 And so I don't know. 2:20:44.840 --> 2:20:47.680 Maybe it was the fact that I just graduated high school, 2:20:47.720 --> 2:20:51.480 which was like it is. I like a lot of 2:20:51.480 --> 2:20:55.600 shitty music too when I was a teenager. It's okay, yeah, 2:20:55.640 --> 2:20:59.800 but he was, but he was definitely promoted. I like 2:21:01.200 --> 2:21:03.160 the Jingling Baby. I didn't like that. 2:21:04.680 --> 2:21:08.680 Like that remix was like, am I assuming? I'm just 2:21:08.720 --> 2:21:10.120 going to ask the one that I'm used to is 2:21:10.160 --> 2:21:10.840 the may. 2:21:11.680 --> 2:21:12.360 One in the videos? 2:21:15.400 --> 2:21:20.120 Right, he says, dance to the remixing glove Yeah, with 2:21:20.200 --> 2:21:21.439 the walking into sun side. 2:21:21.920 --> 2:21:23.360 And so you remixed it. 2:21:23.720 --> 2:21:25.360 They gave me a shot. They gave me a shot 2:21:25.440 --> 2:21:27.200 to remix that, and you know, we remixed it and 2:21:27.280 --> 2:21:30.080 it came out pretty well, did well. And then we 2:21:30.160 --> 2:21:32.080 went in the studio kind of on our own and 2:21:32.160 --> 2:21:36.240 started making an album without authorready from the station, I mean, 2:21:36.280 --> 2:21:39.240 from his label. We just started making come to the crib, 2:21:39.320 --> 2:21:43.039 let's make some joints. Boom, We like five in four 2:21:43.120 --> 2:21:46.560 and six in seven and then boom boom. Actually, you know, 2:21:46.600 --> 2:21:49.879 we bring it to Russell and he heard booming systems 2:21:50.320 --> 2:21:50.840 and that was it. 2:21:51.040 --> 2:21:51.320 Boom. 2:21:51.360 --> 2:21:53.480 You're like, yo, yo, y'all want to. 2:21:53.440 --> 2:21:54.879 Do an album, Yo, it's done already. 2:21:55.120 --> 2:21:58.280 Why'd you do two versus a booming system? Because we 2:21:58.360 --> 2:22:01.120 needed an edited version and we need one for one 2:22:01.280 --> 2:22:04.000 was for radio. I mean the in Vogue version was 2:22:04.040 --> 2:22:06.960 the version that I heard that one. Okay, I heard 2:22:07.000 --> 2:22:09.240 that first on radio, and then when I brought the remix, 2:22:09.760 --> 2:22:11.840 I heard the like they're both on the on the single. 2:22:12.080 --> 2:22:14.160 They were on a single. Yeah, both mixes were on 2:22:14.200 --> 2:22:16.440 a single, but on the album it was a different one. 2:22:16.480 --> 2:22:18.959 See Philly radio just played the in Vogue version, right, 2:22:19.080 --> 2:22:20.720 So when I brought the record, I was ready for 2:22:20.800 --> 2:22:21.920 that and I heard the baseline. 2:22:21.920 --> 2:22:23.200 I was like, wait a minute, it's changed. 2:22:23.720 --> 2:22:26.120 But I actually liked the alun version better now. But 2:22:26.200 --> 2:22:30.920 I always wanted to know, like, yes, I didn't want 2:22:30.959 --> 2:22:33.840 it to be because we came. We made Booming System. 2:22:33.879 --> 2:22:36.800 It was straight off of in Vogue. It was straight 2:22:36.879 --> 2:22:37.640 off of in Vogue. 2:22:38.200 --> 2:22:39.840 You just loot it. Yeah, I just looped it up 2:22:39.879 --> 2:22:40.560 and let them go. 2:22:41.040 --> 2:22:44.240 But then we put the record out and but the 2:22:44.400 --> 2:22:48.000 guys from in Vogue, the producers, they was like, yeah, 2:22:48.000 --> 2:22:50.120 we're gonna, so you go ahead, bro, we're gonna. 2:22:50.560 --> 2:22:55.400 But was that a infuse trap? It wasn't take them. 2:22:55.400 --> 2:22:59.600 But to be honest, that's one thing I can say 2:22:59.600 --> 2:23:01.480 about them. Back in them days, they was like go ahead, bro, 2:23:01.640 --> 2:23:03.840 that's a banger. They was like, yo, you got it. 2:23:04.440 --> 2:23:05.360 I was like really. 2:23:05.520 --> 2:23:07.360 They was like they just gave it up. They saw 2:23:07.440 --> 2:23:09.879 the vision because they knew right would make their ship 2:23:10.040 --> 2:23:13.320 right even more official, right right. So they didn't even 2:23:13.360 --> 2:23:14.960 go at me. It's like your go ahead, little brother, 2:23:15.080 --> 2:23:17.480 young brother, go ahead, bro. They did me like that, 2:23:17.600 --> 2:23:19.879 and that was real good. They're like the only cast 2:23:19.959 --> 2:23:24.959 that ever did that. Boy, there's like, go ahead, little brother, 2:23:25.240 --> 2:23:25.800 do your thing. 2:23:25.879 --> 2:23:26.000 Man. 2:23:26.040 --> 2:23:28.000 I was like, whoa, okay, and we're gonna fuck with 2:23:28.080 --> 2:23:32.080 you with that. Wow, just just do this remix for us. 2:23:35.920 --> 2:23:38.280 Then they hit me with the oh we want you 2:23:38.360 --> 2:23:39.720 to remix hold On? 2:23:41.040 --> 2:23:41.800 Did you Yeah? 2:23:41.800 --> 2:23:44.400 I remixed out Yeah, so that's solid. Yeah. 2:23:44.440 --> 2:23:45.959 So it was like it was like a trade off. 2:23:46.120 --> 2:23:47.160 They didn't even bother me. 2:23:47.240 --> 2:23:50.160 I was like, wow, so did you feel pressure because 2:23:50.160 --> 2:23:53.480 at that point I know that like Ll got booed 2:23:53.600 --> 2:23:56.760 at the Apollo and you know, it was a new 2:23:56.879 --> 2:23:59.640 generation and now his fate was in your hands. I 2:23:59.760 --> 2:24:02.240 felt no pressure with them because I already knew. I 2:24:02.320 --> 2:24:03.880 knew what I could do for l I think that 2:24:04.600 --> 2:24:07.920 everything I've done to cold Chilling with cold Chilling with 2:24:08.120 --> 2:24:11.360 Heavy to up that point got me ready to get 2:24:11.400 --> 2:24:12.320 that Grammy with L. 2:24:13.280 --> 2:24:15.160 You get what I'm saying. You know, it's kind of 2:24:15.200 --> 2:24:15.880 like I was in training. 2:24:15.920 --> 2:24:18.280 I was in training all my life, sparring and getting 2:24:18.360 --> 2:24:20.680 up to the building myself in the ranks to get 2:24:20.720 --> 2:24:23.600 with LLL and get that real shot. You get what 2:24:23.640 --> 2:24:26.160 I'm saying. Because by the time we did that, you know, 2:24:26.520 --> 2:24:28.600 it was great for his career and great for my career. 2:24:28.920 --> 2:24:30.800 What is the right to now see ll be the 2:24:30.879 --> 2:24:33.400 ambassador for the Grammys Because here we are, like years later, 2:24:33.520 --> 2:24:35.960 and he is the man. He's basically the spokesperson. 2:24:36.120 --> 2:24:38.360 Of course. Believe me, I fox with him all the time. 2:24:38.440 --> 2:24:41.160 Believe me, when he do these shows, I'm calling his 2:24:41.240 --> 2:24:43.440 ass before he hit that stage, and we always talking 2:24:43.959 --> 2:24:45.000 and I'm fucking with him. 2:24:45.040 --> 2:24:47.720 We laughing like a fuck. It's my dude. I fox 2:24:47.800 --> 2:24:48.760 with him, you know what I'm saying. 2:24:49.000 --> 2:24:51.120 Before he do most of those shows, he always get 2:24:51.200 --> 2:24:52.800 a call for me, and we you know, I know 2:24:52.879 --> 2:24:54.800 they tape them early, So I catch him in the 2:24:54.840 --> 2:24:56.880 morning and fuck with him, you know what I'm saying, 2:24:57.720 --> 2:24:59.360 And we'd be laughing our ass off, and he go 2:24:59.440 --> 2:25:01.120 over there and I tell him and the next day 2:25:01.120 --> 2:25:03.120 I called me Yo, Yo, Yeah, Thish was so and 2:25:03.200 --> 2:25:05.480 so I'm proud of you because I'm proud of that dude, man, 2:25:06.600 --> 2:25:10.279 real proud of it was the folklore of his process, 2:25:10.400 --> 2:25:13.200 real where he like had to go back to his 2:25:13.320 --> 2:25:17.160 grandmom's basement and and right and getting that mood. 2:25:17.280 --> 2:25:19.400 And yeah, he lived that much. 2:25:19.600 --> 2:25:23.120 He still had that Queen's residence where I believe he 2:25:23.240 --> 2:25:26.280 still they still own that residence there. But when we did, 2:25:27.640 --> 2:25:31.160 Mama said, knock you out. He literally came and lived 2:25:31.200 --> 2:25:31.680 at my house. 2:25:33.160 --> 2:25:34.880 He was that serious. But did he feel like I 2:25:34.959 --> 2:25:35.680 have something to prove? 2:25:36.200 --> 2:25:36.880 I'm sure he did. 2:25:37.000 --> 2:25:38.960 Yeah, he had a lot to prove after walking with 2:25:39.040 --> 2:25:39.240 the pant. 2:25:40.920 --> 2:25:44.080 Did he feel like a man like I still got 2:25:44.200 --> 2:25:47.160 to come with it because because it's still yielded hits 2:25:47.360 --> 2:25:49.360 like Big Ol'd but was still getting played on. 2:25:50.480 --> 2:25:50.960 I forgot that. 2:25:51.040 --> 2:25:54.400 But he wasn't joined. I think loved. I think to 2:25:54.520 --> 2:25:57.760 be honest, he knew what he wanted you get him. 2:25:57.760 --> 2:25:59.879 He wanted the respect and he knew what he wanted. 2:26:00.080 --> 2:26:01.320 He came and told me, He's like, yo, you know, 2:26:01.400 --> 2:26:02.240 he started telling me the story. 2:26:02.320 --> 2:26:02.400 Yo. 2:26:02.440 --> 2:26:04.240 When I first heard Kane, I was like, oh my god. 2:26:04.280 --> 2:26:05.640 When I first heard someone so I was like, oh 2:26:05.680 --> 2:26:08.280 my god. He's like, Yo, how could I do this? 2:26:08.600 --> 2:26:10.720 You know, I'm like, yo, come on, you give what 2:26:10.760 --> 2:26:13.800 I'm saying. Prep gave him the prep give what I'm saying. 2:26:13.840 --> 2:26:15.760 And we went in there and just tore niggas down. 2:26:15.879 --> 2:26:18.880 At least give me the story of like making that record. 2:26:19.400 --> 2:26:21.440 Did you know it was monumental or was it just like, yeah, 2:26:21.520 --> 2:26:25.920 here's another beat. I kind of felt that in a 2:26:26.000 --> 2:26:32.879 way what it is because Bobcat, you know DJ Bobcat. 2:26:32.959 --> 2:26:36.240 You know, he had he had the sample, he had this, Yeah, 2:26:36.440 --> 2:26:38.040 he had to kind of he had he had the 2:26:38.320 --> 2:26:41.080 he had it sampled up on a disc, and you know, 2:26:41.160 --> 2:26:42.960 he was going through sounds and he was playing that 2:26:43.680 --> 2:26:45.879 and then I just added a drum to it, kind 2:26:45.920 --> 2:26:49.200 of filtered it, flipped it and and you know, we 2:26:49.320 --> 2:26:51.160 let and then I let my you know, I let 2:26:51.240 --> 2:26:55.440 my dude. You know, sometimes what has started happening with 2:26:55.520 --> 2:26:57.920 me after awhile I started, I started not want to 2:26:57.959 --> 2:27:00.959 record people. Vocals sound familiar. 2:27:01.760 --> 2:27:02.560 I hate recording. 2:27:02.879 --> 2:27:05.959 Yes, yeah, sometimes, you know I started after a while, 2:27:06.240 --> 2:27:08.720 I want to make the beats, but I can't. I 2:27:08.800 --> 2:27:11.480 can't stomach sitting here doing the vocals too much. 2:27:11.920 --> 2:27:14.800 So so only someone that knows the pain. Yeah, so 2:27:15.000 --> 2:27:19.439 so so I said that day, I said to my engineer. 2:27:19.240 --> 2:27:23.520 Just record ll vocals, you know, recorded right, And I 2:27:23.600 --> 2:27:26.320 stood back and he was easily wind and then pressed 2:27:26.680 --> 2:27:29.600 play and record and but LLL didn't know what was 2:27:29.640 --> 2:27:35.440 going and he said, come on, man, and then the 2:27:35.520 --> 2:27:39.680 beat dropped, and I was like, so that was real. 2:27:40.000 --> 2:27:40.960 That wasn't getting annoyed. 2:27:41.080 --> 2:27:44.400 That was really him screaming at the engineer. Poor engineers. 2:27:44.720 --> 2:27:51.160 I was like a hip hop engineer start with, start 2:27:51.240 --> 2:27:54.120 with all the abuse that engineers have to take it 2:27:54.200 --> 2:27:59.440 the rappers and management. I had a question about, uh, 2:28:00.160 --> 2:28:04.039 to knock you out milky cereals, not milky cereal, mister 2:28:04.120 --> 2:28:07.080 good Ball, the little snippet. Nah, no, I'm saying, happened 2:28:07.080 --> 2:28:12.840 to me, happen yo, It's so funny. He's just we 2:28:13.040 --> 2:28:15.280 just decided to give it out a crazy intro. He 2:28:15.400 --> 2:28:18.200 just said that just to bug out. Yeah, yeah, he's 2:28:18.200 --> 2:28:21.160 just give it a crazy intro. And Murder Graham was 2:28:21.280 --> 2:28:24.560 just yeah, Murder Graham was his little story about. 2:28:25.480 --> 2:28:28.119 But I've been like, was it supposed to be live? Oh, yeah, 2:28:28.120 --> 2:28:28.960 it's supposed to be live. 2:28:29.959 --> 2:28:31.800 We kind of made that up to be live put 2:28:31.840 --> 2:28:35.160 the crowd in the back. But I think they tried 2:28:35.200 --> 2:28:37.199 to sue us for using the name rap Mania. Things 2:28:37.240 --> 2:28:41.320 coming out everywhere? Really, yeah, it's coming out of every everywhere. 2:28:41.400 --> 2:28:45.119 I'm like, come on, really, do anybody have a copy 2:28:45.200 --> 2:28:48.600 of rap Mania? Yeah, I think they tried to sue us. 2:28:48.720 --> 2:28:51.600 I've been trying to find that. That's crazy. It was 2:28:51.640 --> 2:28:54.240 a pay per view concert where Redman went out of 2:28:54.320 --> 2:28:57.800 his mind with the on the monitor. Man. I not 2:28:58.080 --> 2:29:00.800 that this was pre this was we read. Yeah, this 2:29:01.000 --> 2:29:03.920 was like ninety You gotta do some research somebody finding 2:29:04.000 --> 2:29:04.560 rap Mania. 2:29:05.120 --> 2:29:05.320 Wow. 2:29:05.720 --> 2:29:09.160 Yeah, Okay, I remember because I remember asking my parents 2:29:09.240 --> 2:29:10.560 to get it on pay per. 2:29:10.560 --> 2:29:11.200 View and they were like no. 2:29:11.400 --> 2:29:13.400 And that's why we put Live at rat Mania on 2:29:13.480 --> 2:29:14.840 it because he was trying to act like he was 2:29:14.920 --> 2:29:20.440 on rat Mania. Okay, okay, So that cheesy rat blues 2:29:20.560 --> 2:29:22.920 was it was. It was his story talking about how 2:29:23.240 --> 2:29:27.000 they treated him after walking with the panther. 2:29:27.440 --> 2:29:28.800 Cheesy rat You ain't all that. 2:29:29.800 --> 2:29:30.440 It just hit me. 2:29:31.400 --> 2:29:33.560 He did to the Break of Dawn as well. Yeah, 2:29:33.760 --> 2:29:35.120 so that makes number five like. 2:29:38.480 --> 2:29:39.800 Handle the whole way you are? 2:29:40.240 --> 2:29:40.440 Yeah? 2:29:41.800 --> 2:29:43.360 Who else was got this? Another? 2:29:44.040 --> 2:29:44.480 He got. 2:29:46.160 --> 2:29:50.600 Hammer and yeah, yeah, or I know about Iced Tea 2:29:50.680 --> 2:29:54.600 and Ham, but I didn't know that Hammer and him 2:29:54.640 --> 2:29:57.200 had yeah situation, Yeah, yeah, it was. It was he 2:29:57.240 --> 2:30:01.920 had beef with Hammer Iced Tea and he went at 2:30:02.000 --> 2:30:04.120 all three of them onto the Break of Dawn. Did 2:30:04.240 --> 2:30:06.880 not know that break And by the time ninety one, 2:30:06.959 --> 2:30:08.960 like Mod was kind of I mean that was it 2:30:09.120 --> 2:30:11.800 was over much because New Jack was kind of like 2:30:11.959 --> 2:30:14.200 going where it was going, you know what I mean. 2:30:14.480 --> 2:30:17.200 And and a lot of these tracks was kind of 2:30:17.240 --> 2:30:19.760 he was on that New Jackson hard. Yeah, all New 2:30:19.840 --> 2:30:23.640 Jack track you Rise and Shine Go see the Doctor earlier. 2:30:25.200 --> 2:30:33.160 Ain't that you know what I'm saying? Okay, But he 2:30:33.240 --> 2:30:36.000 was always lyrical though, who do you think in the 2:30:36.080 --> 2:30:38.680 battle wise we think of rock on Mod l what 2:30:38.760 --> 2:30:39.840 do you think lyrically? 2:30:40.280 --> 2:30:40.480 Yeah? 2:30:41.000 --> 2:30:41.840 Did you like Let's Go? 2:30:42.560 --> 2:30:44.440 I like let's go. I like let's go. We we 2:30:45.040 --> 2:30:55.640 did the lant lazy so much a liter ration. 2:31:02.160 --> 2:31:05.959 Yeah, No, I like Let's go. But lyrically I think 2:31:06.040 --> 2:31:08.200 that was like for me, like watching the L and 2:31:08.560 --> 2:31:10.640 MO d Like, I always respect the mod because he 2:31:10.720 --> 2:31:14.720 really was the only guy from like the original like 2:31:14.920 --> 2:31:18.800 original original, the results. He's the only one that survived, 2:31:18.840 --> 2:31:21.200 you know what I'm saying. So I always respected him. 2:31:21.440 --> 2:31:22.960 I just think it was a time where it was 2:31:23.000 --> 2:31:25.000 a thing where it was really like you were saying 2:31:25.040 --> 2:31:27.240 earlier maw like the old line versus the new line, 2:31:27.320 --> 2:31:31.480 and to me like mo d had lyrics, but Llll 2:31:31.560 --> 2:31:33.520 could take your shirt off and nigga, it didn't matter 2:31:33.640 --> 2:31:35.560 no more, you know what I'm saying. So it was 2:31:35.680 --> 2:31:38.200 like it was just kind of he was I think 2:31:38.280 --> 2:31:42.680 he was as a lyricist, mod was dope, but he 2:31:43.200 --> 2:31:45.320 was just kind of his time had passed at that point. 2:31:46.000 --> 2:31:49.720 I think of the two LL responses, I mean, to 2:31:49.800 --> 2:31:54.240 the Break of Dawn was my favorite. But again I'm 2:31:54.280 --> 2:31:56.280 a music guy, so no, I'm with you. I like 2:31:56.320 --> 2:31:59.840 to the Break because cool. It was like it was 2:31:59.920 --> 2:32:02.280 like it was either cool al or like Holland jet 2:32:03.520 --> 2:32:05.800 so and always like just the cool. How did you 2:32:05.879 --> 2:32:08.480 get cool l delivery on that song instead of his 2:32:08.560 --> 2:32:09.520 house I had? 2:32:10.160 --> 2:32:14.080 I told him, And we can't scream no more. Basically, 2:32:14.520 --> 2:32:14.879 we can't. 2:32:14.920 --> 2:32:18.360 We can't be we can't be angry on records because 2:32:18.400 --> 2:32:21.400 you gotta take a different approach. You gotta, you gotta 2:32:21.760 --> 2:32:23.680 instead of screaming at him, you gotta talk to him, 2:32:24.400 --> 2:32:27.200 and that's what we did, kind of like with Jingling, right, 2:32:28.520 --> 2:32:29.400 that's when I told him. 2:32:29.280 --> 2:32:29.960 I like, yo, we can't. 2:32:30.000 --> 2:32:30.120 Oh. 2:32:30.160 --> 2:32:31.920 He wanted to be super aggressive, right, he wanted to 2:32:31.920 --> 2:32:33.920 do his vocals over the other way, kind of like 2:32:34.000 --> 2:32:39.240 the first ones. I was like, no, no, no, we're 2:32:39.280 --> 2:32:41.160 not gonna We're not gonna really do that at this time. 2:32:41.800 --> 2:32:42.959 Let's let's let's like, you know. 2:32:43.480 --> 2:32:45.880 It's actually interesting, you said, because I first heard the 2:32:46.240 --> 2:32:47.800 biggest change in the L's voice the first time I 2:32:47.800 --> 2:32:48.600 heard booming system. 2:32:49.400 --> 2:32:51.680 It sounded like a completely I didn't even know it 2:32:51.879 --> 2:32:53.480 was I didn't know it was them. 2:32:53.800 --> 2:32:55.280 It just came on. I was like, who the fuck 2:32:55.400 --> 2:32:55.520 is this? 2:32:55.840 --> 2:32:59.160 And yeah, yeah, there was a lot of effects on 2:32:59.240 --> 2:32:59.800 the voice too. 2:33:04.840 --> 2:33:05.680 So let me ask. 2:33:07.520 --> 2:33:12.199 Because there's always the end to the yang, let's jump 2:33:12.280 --> 2:33:18.520 three years later, fourteen shots of the Dome. Okay, no, god. 2:33:21.959 --> 2:33:23.680 No, because it was all. 2:33:23.920 --> 2:33:29.320 Like I remember that being the first review in the 2:33:29.440 --> 2:33:34.760 source that had consequences to it, and Russell was not 2:33:35.000 --> 2:33:41.760 having that. And you know, the original mind Squad review 2:33:41.879 --> 2:33:47.560 like the first time that their record review could influence 2:33:48.680 --> 2:33:54.480 their reader and it causing a response or maybe a 2:33:54.600 --> 2:33:58.440 retaliation or not for someone in hip hop. Was that 2:33:58.560 --> 2:34:03.480 Walking with the Panther record. So what was different about 2:34:03.520 --> 2:34:07.520 the process of fourteen Shots in the Doom? Then Mama 2:34:07.560 --> 2:34:10.640 said knock you out because big, big, big difference. 2:34:10.760 --> 2:34:11.920 It should have been. 2:34:13.879 --> 2:34:16.040 It's supposed to be the follow up to should have 2:34:16.040 --> 2:34:19.400 been Victory Last, Right, But guess what. Guess who started 2:34:19.440 --> 2:34:25.160 acting around that time. Guess Michael J No, No, guess 2:34:25.200 --> 2:34:26.800 who went to go do the Toy in the middle 2:34:26.800 --> 2:34:30.440 of my project? Yeah? 2:34:30.480 --> 2:34:34.000 The Toys was uh Robin Willis. 2:34:33.760 --> 2:34:36.400 Right, right, So that's kind of what happened with that project. 2:34:36.440 --> 2:34:38.800 In the middle of the project, we in the zone, 2:34:39.480 --> 2:34:41.760 was in the zone. Next thing, you know, we all 2:34:41.760 --> 2:34:44.640 gotta go wait for nine months to go do a movie. 2:34:45.440 --> 2:34:46.920 I'm like, dukes, We're in the. 2:34:46.920 --> 2:34:47.760 Middle of an album. 2:34:48.879 --> 2:34:49.280 M mm. 2:34:49.640 --> 2:34:51.760 So how long did Mama said knock you out? Take 2:34:52.000 --> 2:34:55.440 to record the album? Like two weeks or some ship 2:34:55.720 --> 2:34:58.039 and then wait, fourteen shots. It was like real quick, 2:34:58.240 --> 2:34:59.880 he just knocked it out. Yeah. We was banging the 2:35:00.080 --> 2:35:03.000 down like knock it out. Yeah, we've been banging them 2:35:03.040 --> 2:35:03.879 down like nothing. 2:35:04.080 --> 2:35:04.440 I told you. 2:35:04.640 --> 2:35:06.760 He came and lived lived up the crib upstate. So 2:35:07.320 --> 2:35:09.480 we was making maybe two records a day, and then 2:35:09.560 --> 2:35:12.080 fourteen shots was how long? Fourteen shots took about a 2:35:12.160 --> 2:35:14.440 year and some change to make. Because fourteen shots took 2:35:14.480 --> 2:35:18.400 fourteen months, it's too long because now you know, now 2:35:18.920 --> 2:35:22.320 you know he's coming like a week for like a 2:35:22.440 --> 2:35:24.640 record or two. I'm like, dudes, we can't, we can't 2:35:24.640 --> 2:35:28.440 make records like this, bro we we wasn't the same formula. 2:35:29.320 --> 2:35:32.760 So you feel that the disrupted rhythm. Yeah, of not 2:35:32.920 --> 2:35:35.240 bouncing off each other one hundred percent, that's exactly what 2:35:35.320 --> 2:35:36.600 they God, now you're scaring me. 2:35:38.360 --> 2:35:41.880 Stop looking at me like that serious, because he do wan. 2:35:42.200 --> 2:35:44.840 He started, you know, making movies and then all of 2:35:44.879 --> 2:35:47.000 a sudden, we wasn't in the studio as much. 2:35:47.120 --> 2:35:48.160 We wasn't vibing like that. 2:35:48.959 --> 2:35:53.280 Every wait, everyone listened. Everyone's looking at me like, all right, 2:35:53.360 --> 2:35:55.119 mister nineteen jobs, you better. 2:35:56.440 --> 2:36:01.240 Dropped everything this next week hearing this story. 2:36:01.400 --> 2:36:03.160 But what it was though, you know, it's like he 2:36:03.240 --> 2:36:05.560 started focusing and you know, he did good on that 2:36:05.720 --> 2:36:09.240 movie and then all of a sudden, you know, that's 2:36:09.240 --> 2:36:12.000 when that's when the movie starts. You know, the movie 2:36:12.080 --> 2:36:14.080 started coming in and the TV and all of that, 2:36:14.640 --> 2:36:17.480 and you know, the album didn't really do well like 2:36:17.560 --> 2:36:19.320 it should have because we I didn't have no real 2:36:19.400 --> 2:36:19.960 time to do it. 2:36:20.440 --> 2:36:21.160 I ain't have no time. 2:36:21.240 --> 2:36:24.840 And then if I made something six months ago, this 2:36:24.879 --> 2:36:27.920 ship ain't hot. Now you get what I'm saying. When 2:36:27.959 --> 2:36:30.400 we when we made the other album, that ship was 2:36:30.440 --> 2:36:33.040 so hot off the press, Yo, the fucking reels were 2:36:33.040 --> 2:36:36.840 still warm. You get what I'm saying. Did you do Crossroads? 2:36:38.440 --> 2:36:41.680 I was involved with it? I was I was involved. 2:36:42.440 --> 2:36:47.560 I was involved with Yeah, they made him make that. 2:36:50.040 --> 2:36:52.200 Wait was his dad in the picture right now? 2:36:52.400 --> 2:36:53.720 Or ah? 2:36:59.200 --> 2:37:02.560 Because like the hollering came back, the screaming, you know 2:37:02.600 --> 2:37:03.000 what I say. 2:37:04.000 --> 2:37:04.240 I was. 2:37:05.760 --> 2:37:09.320 As I'm trying to say, all the screaming came back well. 2:37:09.240 --> 2:37:13.080 Because he probably felt especially after the heat of doing 2:37:13.160 --> 2:37:21.720 it on MTV unplug You remember the years that and 2:37:21.879 --> 2:37:26.680 he did it at the MTV Awards were like a 2:37:26.920 --> 2:37:30.760 ninety piece band at the MT Yeah hit me twelve times. 2:37:33.040 --> 2:37:34.400 Yeah, he was right. 2:37:34.640 --> 2:37:35.959 You probably couldn't tell him nothing. 2:37:36.040 --> 2:37:36.680 He was back. 2:37:37.760 --> 2:37:41.000 Ah man, he telling me that he had to. 2:37:41.879 --> 2:37:44.960 If he had more focus and did it in a 2:37:45.200 --> 2:37:48.600 concise time period of maybe a month or so, it 2:37:48.600 --> 2:37:49.840 would have been a different. 2:37:50.240 --> 2:37:53.320 I believe if there was no Toy movie. That was 2:37:53.360 --> 2:37:53.840 a weird. 2:37:55.600 --> 2:37:59.080 And then when I saw that was dudes, that was 2:37:59.160 --> 2:38:02.040 a weird fucking we did we did this for that. 2:38:05.160 --> 2:38:06.200 We blew an album for that. 2:38:08.400 --> 2:38:13.120 Ye, because the movie didn't do well, Wait, let's not 2:38:13.440 --> 2:38:18.520 totally tank it, because I mean back was a classic 2:38:19.320 --> 2:38:24.640 back and Pink Cookies that remix. Though the the movie 2:38:25.640 --> 2:38:30.560 yes crazy like they were, yes, they were. There was 2:38:30.640 --> 2:38:32.480 there was little there was. There was moments on there, 2:38:32.760 --> 2:38:38.320 but it wasn't enough moments was like stand man stand. 2:38:40.120 --> 2:38:47.360 So after that, like was the feeling the aftermath of well, 2:38:48.120 --> 2:38:50.320 I mean that's when I think the track masters took 2:38:50.360 --> 2:38:53.520 over and then probably took all my beat loops and 2:38:53.680 --> 2:38:56.000 made everybody beats and you know, did what they did. 2:38:57.200 --> 2:38:59.959 But no, I mean you still have Lords. You still 2:39:00.000 --> 2:39:03.160 oh yeah, Lord? Yeah. I moved on them with Lords. 2:39:03.480 --> 2:39:06.840 And that's when Lords started popping. Funky child Lords of 2:39:06.840 --> 2:39:09.080 the Underground And how did you meet them? Because they're straight, 2:39:09.160 --> 2:39:12.120 they're Jersey. Well, I had I had an idea of 2:39:12.200 --> 2:39:15.760 a group called Lords of the Underground. I had the name, 2:39:16.080 --> 2:39:17.760 but I was looking for somebody who would be Lords 2:39:17.800 --> 2:39:20.440 of the Underground. And I saw them performing. They used 2:39:20.440 --> 2:39:23.480 to be a group called New Jersey Funk. Oh yeah, 2:39:23.520 --> 2:39:26.040 it's a better name, Lords under That's what I'm saying. 2:39:26.320 --> 2:39:28.400 So so when I saw them performed, I said, oh, 2:39:28.440 --> 2:39:29.920 that's the Lords of the Underground. So I was like, look, 2:39:29.920 --> 2:39:31.959 I'm looking to do a group called Lords of the Underground, 2:39:32.760 --> 2:39:34.680 and would you all like to be him? And they're 2:39:34.680 --> 2:39:37.560 like yeah, because they had the energy and everything, and 2:39:37.720 --> 2:39:39.959 you know, and we made a little history with them. 2:39:40.040 --> 2:39:41.080 They did really well. 2:39:41.600 --> 2:39:45.960 Yeah yeah, I mean well Psycho was that when Psycho 2:39:46.120 --> 2:39:50.000 came out, that was the ninety three beat, the freestyle 2:39:50.120 --> 2:39:54.800 over wow and and Philly Wow. I didn't even know. 2:39:55.720 --> 2:39:58.320 You know, the funny thing about putting out these records, Yeah, 2:39:58.360 --> 2:40:01.840 it's the funny thing about dropping all of these records. Reasonally, 2:40:02.000 --> 2:40:03.680 I don't know how well they do. Like you said, 2:40:03.760 --> 2:40:09.840 that was an excellent rhyme and beat and the yeah, yeah, 2:40:10.720 --> 2:40:13.680 that's what every cat in Philly wanted. The freestyle wow, 2:40:14.520 --> 2:40:18.480 piece of Philly right right there. That's real talk man. Wow. 2:40:18.920 --> 2:40:22.360 Yeah, Like I felt like you were because that was 2:40:22.520 --> 2:40:23.680 you really. 2:40:25.240 --> 2:40:29.039 Not even graduating, but again updating your sound to modern 2:40:29.120 --> 2:40:33.880 hip hop. There you go. And I felt like, oh, okay, 2:40:34.160 --> 2:40:38.400 Marley's on a mission to really like not revenge, but 2:40:38.600 --> 2:40:41.240 like to let y'all know, like I'm still in this. 2:40:41.360 --> 2:40:42.000 Mom and. 2:40:44.520 --> 2:40:45.119 It is hard. 2:40:45.280 --> 2:40:48.840 It's hard for people to last that long and still 2:40:49.120 --> 2:40:51.160 remain ahead of the curve with that sort of thing. 2:40:51.280 --> 2:40:53.920 So yeah, no doubt. I think with Psycho, I wanted 2:40:53.959 --> 2:40:56.160 to take it there. I definitely want to take it 2:40:56.240 --> 2:40:58.440 there because I felt there was a new group I 2:40:58.520 --> 2:41:00.080 want to come with, like a whole new sound and 2:41:00.240 --> 2:41:03.320 a whole new look for it. And you know, Psycho 2:41:03.400 --> 2:41:05.440 did what it did, and then you know we had 2:41:05.480 --> 2:41:07.320 to bust him in the head with Chief Rocker and 2:41:07.400 --> 2:41:12.200 all that other ship. Yes, he's the k Death. Where 2:41:12.240 --> 2:41:15.600 are they now, I'm lords they performing? Does one of 2:41:15.600 --> 2:41:18.440 them live in Paris? Oh yeah, the DJ lives in Paris, 2:41:20.959 --> 2:41:23.720 do it all? You know, he's running Jersey and Funky. 2:41:23.879 --> 2:41:26.760 He's in North Carolina. And you know they still to 2:41:26.840 --> 2:41:30.280 all over the world. They still every summer they going 2:41:30.320 --> 2:41:31.480 to those festivals. 2:41:32.000 --> 2:41:32.560 They rocking. 2:41:32.760 --> 2:41:36.720 They never stopped yet, that's all. Like I said, yeah, yeah, 2:41:36.720 --> 2:41:40.960 they're still going. Just to make sure, all right, we're 2:41:41.000 --> 2:41:43.360 about to wrap up the show, because you know, you 2:41:43.640 --> 2:41:47.440 probably have a nine hour story. But I always wanted 2:41:47.480 --> 2:41:50.600 to know the deal with on the reil with not Nice? 2:41:51.480 --> 2:41:53.879 Where did that come from? Like, was that initially supposed 2:41:53.879 --> 2:41:57.280 to be on Allmatic or yeah it was. It was 2:41:57.360 --> 2:42:00.600 originally supposed to be on it. And when he was 2:42:00.640 --> 2:42:03.560 making his album, he you know, just after he did 2:42:03.600 --> 2:42:05.760 a few singles and he was working on his album 2:42:06.400 --> 2:42:10.600 and Biggie was out, and you know, he had a concern. 2:42:11.520 --> 2:42:14.320 He came to visit me. I was surprised. One day 2:42:14.400 --> 2:42:16.800 Nozzle was at my door up state. Oh shit, no, 2:42:16.840 --> 2:42:19.760 I just here, what up? Baby? Were talking and we talked, say, yo, 2:42:19.800 --> 2:42:22.000 I'm ready to work on my thing, you know, making 2:42:22.040 --> 2:42:24.560 my album. He said, Yo, he said, you think people 2:42:24.720 --> 2:42:28.040 still gonna like me? I was like, this is for 2:42:28.160 --> 2:42:28.760 the second album. 2:42:29.120 --> 2:42:30.959 This is like that album. This is one. 2:42:31.040 --> 2:42:32.600 He was working on the album because he had the 2:42:32.640 --> 2:42:36.320 singles out first and the barbecue, you know, the barbecue 2:42:36.400 --> 2:42:38.720 was out, so he was he was hot. But then 2:42:38.800 --> 2:42:42.039 Biggie came. You get what I'm saying, And he came like, Yo, 2:42:42.120 --> 2:42:44.960 you think you think they're gonna still love me? I'm like, dude, 2:42:45.040 --> 2:42:47.720 you the nigga that said fucking you. You know, he 2:42:47.800 --> 2:42:50.760 went to Jeff of snuffing Jesus, nigga, nobody's gonna ever 2:42:50.840 --> 2:42:55.440 forget that. I said, matter of fact, let me throw 2:42:55.600 --> 2:42:57.280 let me show you something, let me throw you on something. 2:42:57.280 --> 2:42:59.600 So I threw up on the real beat, and his 2:42:59.760 --> 2:43:01.440 man and everybody and is like, oh. 2:43:01.480 --> 2:43:04.400 Shit, it's aunt adventage though, like, how how long have 2:43:04.440 --> 2:43:04.920 you had that on? 2:43:06.160 --> 2:43:06.480 That was? 2:43:07.040 --> 2:43:07.440 I had that. 2:43:07.680 --> 2:43:09.600 I kind of like held that out for him because 2:43:09.600 --> 2:43:12.480 I already knew that nads were murder this ship. Certain 2:43:12.520 --> 2:43:15.040 beats I just hold out for certain artists. I could 2:43:15.080 --> 2:43:17.120 just hear like, I just gotta I gotta beat with 2:43:17.879 --> 2:43:20.560 Action brons, and you know, I had to beat that 2:43:20.640 --> 2:43:22.959 I know that would fit action. One day I met him, Yo, 2:43:23.000 --> 2:43:24.280 I got something for you, threw it on him and 2:43:24.520 --> 2:43:27.520 we got a joint. But you know, sometimes sometimes I 2:43:27.640 --> 2:43:29.400 just hold out a beat for something. I feel that 2:43:29.480 --> 2:43:31.560 to go to an artist. So I put him on 2:43:31.640 --> 2:43:33.840 on the reel and and he loved it. 2:43:34.560 --> 2:43:34.840 He did. 2:43:34.879 --> 2:43:37.480 People will in verse on it, and his people kept 2:43:37.520 --> 2:43:38.920 telling him, yo, that's the ship. 2:43:39.040 --> 2:43:39.720 That's the ship. 2:43:40.160 --> 2:43:41.720 Yo, Yo, God, that's the ship. 2:43:42.160 --> 2:43:46.400 So time went by, the album was almost finished. I'm like, 2:43:46.440 --> 2:43:48.840 I guess he ain't gonna use this ship, damn you 2:43:48.879 --> 2:43:49.520 get what I'm saying. 2:43:49.600 --> 2:43:51.200 So I was like, fuck it. 2:43:51.720 --> 2:43:53.880 His album came out, he didn't use it, so I 2:43:53.959 --> 2:43:58.600 fucked around and put Cormega on it and Screwball. You 2:43:58.680 --> 2:44:01.080 get what I'm saying. So it's like a QB song. 2:44:01.440 --> 2:44:02.800 So I wasn't trying to put it. I was just 2:44:03.000 --> 2:44:05.160 making a song just to you know, just have a 2:44:05.280 --> 2:44:08.440 tape around the hood fucking celebration with all. There was 2:44:08.560 --> 2:44:12.240 never no tape with Mega Damn and Screwball on it. 2:44:12.640 --> 2:44:15.600 And then I think he heard it, and then when 2:44:15.720 --> 2:44:17.640 he's like, then he really didn't want to use it. 2:44:18.280 --> 2:44:19.120 But then when he did the. 2:44:19.120 --> 2:44:22.960 Anniversary ten years later for Ill madd, He's like, yo, 2:44:23.000 --> 2:44:24.600 that was supposed to be on the joint. Let me 2:44:24.680 --> 2:44:26.560 put it on a ten year anniversary version. 2:44:27.280 --> 2:44:28.199 So that's why he went. 2:44:28.160 --> 2:44:31.760 Back in, did his vocals back over, and then used 2:44:31.760 --> 2:44:34.320 it as his record. But it was originally supposed to 2:44:34.360 --> 2:44:36.760 be on the first album, I see. So that's why 2:44:36.840 --> 2:44:38.800 he put it on the tenth anniversary as a bonus 2:44:38.840 --> 2:44:41.640 because it was supposed to be there. So all the 2:44:42.120 --> 2:44:44.800 projects that you've done in your career, and you've never 2:44:44.959 --> 2:44:47.640 never stopped making music, like you made the collaboration record 2:44:47.680 --> 2:44:51.320 with Kris One. Finally and all like, what is your 2:44:52.120 --> 2:44:56.680 what is your proudest moment as a creator. My proudest 2:44:56.800 --> 2:45:03.320 moment as a creator is watching TV watching myself win 2:45:03.680 --> 2:45:07.199 a Grammy when they, you know, they mentioned our song 2:45:07.680 --> 2:45:10.440 and they mentioned the artists and who produced it. I 2:45:10.520 --> 2:45:12.280 saw it on TV. I didn't even go because I 2:45:12.480 --> 2:45:16.000 didn't even think we was gonna win what and you know, 2:45:16.080 --> 2:45:19.440 and plus because they wasn't they wasn't presenting our award. 2:45:19.600 --> 2:45:22.280 Yeah right, so they say and tonight, so and so 2:45:22.560 --> 2:45:23.240 you get what I'm saying. 2:45:23.280 --> 2:45:25.120 So they put us in that. And when I heard that, 2:45:25.240 --> 2:45:25.840 I was like wow. 2:45:26.200 --> 2:45:28.080 I was home. I was like wow. People started calling 2:45:28.120 --> 2:45:30.600 me yo, you gotta grammy. I was like, oh, ship. 2:45:31.000 --> 2:45:33.080 So that was like one of my proudest moments. It's 2:45:33.160 --> 2:45:35.200 like it all boiled down to that. Where do you 2:45:35.280 --> 2:45:45.080 keep your grammy in the studio? Okay, keep its doorstopping, 2:45:45.320 --> 2:45:46.400 yeah yeah, whatever? 2:45:46.520 --> 2:45:49.000 In the bathroom toilet paper holder? 2:45:49.720 --> 2:45:52.360 Greatest place to put your grammy? Man, Yeah, no doubt. 2:45:52.400 --> 2:45:57.880 Where Bill was in a shelf at my house, in 2:45:57.959 --> 2:46:03.199 the toilet, in the toilet, okay, next to some other ship. 2:46:05.320 --> 2:46:05.520 Dog. 2:46:05.800 --> 2:46:10.119 I've learned so much about I'm mind blowing, like how 2:46:10.200 --> 2:46:17.920 much I'm still working through the whole sho. Wow. 2:46:19.120 --> 2:46:22.320 I'm never using real high hats again, that's I tell you, man, 2:46:22.400 --> 2:46:23.279 I'm just talking. 2:46:23.400 --> 2:46:25.800 Because we're so you know, we so we're just using 2:46:25.840 --> 2:46:28.640 anything we could, you could, how to funk the mic, 2:46:28.959 --> 2:46:31.400 you know, some stuff that didn't work as you say this, 2:46:32.280 --> 2:46:34.640 all right? You remember the group Switch used to be 2:46:34.720 --> 2:46:39.960 on motel if you can, if you can listen to 2:46:40.080 --> 2:46:42.680 their second album, switch To they had a single called 2:46:42.720 --> 2:46:46.560 the Best Beat in Town. Now that I think of it, 2:46:48.760 --> 2:46:53.680 the high hat on that was them, the Beatles too, 2:46:54.240 --> 2:46:58.360 for what's it's some ship like you can hear them. 2:47:01.240 --> 2:47:03.480 I have to say, Okay, I'm not making that up. 2:47:03.520 --> 2:47:07.360 That's true. No, No, I'm gonna go home. Listen REVOLVERSNA 2:47:07.360 --> 2:47:16.400 beat your ass. So that's fine. Well Marley, uh well, no, 2:47:16.480 --> 2:47:19.080 we gotta do a reflection, Yes, reflections. 2:47:19.440 --> 2:47:21.359 Where do we start? Font Tikolo? 2:47:22.120 --> 2:47:24.520 Man? What have I learned? 2:47:24.560 --> 2:47:25.400 What do we learn today? 2:47:25.480 --> 2:47:25.640 Man? 2:47:25.800 --> 2:47:25.959 Man? 2:47:26.080 --> 2:47:29.120 I think I learned, you know, just so much? It 2:47:29.320 --> 2:47:32.560 uh really for me, just hearing Marty's story, it just 2:47:32.640 --> 2:47:35.480 reinforced for me to just kind of stay on the 2:47:35.640 --> 2:47:39.199 path on that I'm on so much of our early records, 2:47:39.400 --> 2:47:42.440 you know what I'm saying with little brother, and you know, 2:47:42.720 --> 2:47:46.040 they were just done on really primitive equipment, and you know, 2:47:46.200 --> 2:47:48.800 even to the point that when you know, after you know, 2:47:48.879 --> 2:47:50.960 you get some bread or whatever and you can build 2:47:51.000 --> 2:47:55.240 your own studio. My studio now is still pretty basic, 2:47:55.320 --> 2:47:56.760 you know what I'm saying. It's not a whole lot 2:47:56.800 --> 2:47:59.280 of gadgets, and it's still pretty much a small space. 2:47:59.600 --> 2:48:01.760 So just hear that all these classic records that I 2:48:01.879 --> 2:48:04.840 grew up listening to were essentially made just you know, 2:48:05.000 --> 2:48:07.440 in some in his kitchen or at his crib. I mean, 2:48:07.520 --> 2:48:10.720 that's it just shows to me. I think, just you know, 2:48:10.800 --> 2:48:12.840 it ain't really about what you got. It's not about 2:48:12.920 --> 2:48:15.280 the gear. It's about the person that's using it, you 2:48:15.360 --> 2:48:17.400 know what I mean. And just to hear the story 2:48:17.480 --> 2:48:21.360 of how you triggered samples before there was an SP 2:48:21.800 --> 2:48:24.960 I mean, I remember trying to work in SP by 2:48:25.040 --> 2:48:26.680 my you know when it actually came out and I 2:48:26.800 --> 2:48:28.760 was like, what in the hell. So just to even 2:48:28.800 --> 2:48:31.879 be doing it back then, it's really amazing. But but nah, man, 2:48:31.959 --> 2:48:34.520 this is his his career for me is a big 2:48:35.080 --> 2:48:38.960 inspiration and you know, this is my first time seeing 2:48:39.160 --> 2:48:41.000 Bally since ship oh three. 2:48:41.240 --> 2:48:42.520 Like future Flavors. 2:48:42.560 --> 2:48:48.160 Well, we came up me Pete Rock, uh little brother 2:48:48.360 --> 2:48:51.039 the ninth Pool. We all came up there and uh 2:48:51.400 --> 2:48:53.560 we did it at his crib, Sugar. 2:48:53.320 --> 2:48:54.800 Steve, what did you learn? 2:48:56.000 --> 2:48:56.120 Uh? 2:48:56.400 --> 2:49:01.120 Infinite stuff tonight? As an engineer, it's very interesting to 2:49:01.200 --> 2:49:04.360 hear the early days of sampling and all the use 2:49:04.440 --> 2:49:06.959 what you got, the type of technology that I started 2:49:07.000 --> 2:49:09.880 out doing too on a double cassette deck, not a 2:49:09.959 --> 2:49:10.440 four track. 2:49:10.879 --> 2:49:14.279 But and then all this stuff about. 2:49:15.840 --> 2:49:20.359 About how you were creating those songs that became classics 2:49:20.440 --> 2:49:22.800 for it just for your for your radio show, and 2:49:22.959 --> 2:49:26.600 making that connection between you know, the old school DJs 2:49:27.360 --> 2:49:31.440 advancing things into the DJs making their own their own beats, 2:49:31.720 --> 2:49:35.040 you know, and you know that's it's a big connection 2:49:35.200 --> 2:49:38.440 to make, you know, to understand how hip hop started. 2:49:39.240 --> 2:49:44.560 Yes, lessons a bell Boss Bill, it's the high hats Man. 2:49:46.640 --> 2:49:48.680 It's the most mind blowing thing because one that's one 2:49:48.680 --> 2:49:50.880 of my favorite beats ever and it's mostly because of 2:49:50.920 --> 2:49:54.120 those high hats. So just to find out that your 2:49:54.200 --> 2:49:55.800 mouth is the source of those high hats, it's kind 2:49:55.800 --> 2:49:56.640 of fucked my head up. 2:49:57.000 --> 2:50:01.920 So that yeah, that's a major takeaway from me. I'm sorry, 2:50:02.080 --> 2:50:03.720 I wish I had something more substantial. 2:50:03.760 --> 2:50:07.080 But that dude that blew he dropped many bombed to night, 2:50:07.280 --> 2:50:08.880 blew my mind, unpaid Bill. 2:50:09.320 --> 2:50:11.480 The visionaries and icons that come on the show all 2:50:11.560 --> 2:50:15.440 come from these places where they people that live around 2:50:15.480 --> 2:50:18.160 them are in the next apartment or whatever, are are 2:50:18.520 --> 2:50:22.359 integral parts of their visionary peaty right, which is amazing. 2:50:22.600 --> 2:50:25.640 And so like with with Marley, it's like Queen's Bridge 2:50:25.680 --> 2:50:27.560 and all the people in the thing, And like with 2:50:27.760 --> 2:50:30.000 Ray Parker was Detroit, right and all the people out 2:50:30.000 --> 2:50:33.560 of Detroit, And both of you did the same thing 2:50:33.680 --> 2:50:36.280 is when we asked you a question that we didn't 2:50:36.280 --> 2:50:38.800 know the answer to, like did you do this? Both 2:50:38.840 --> 2:50:42.280 of you said, of course I did. Like where, Like 2:50:42.720 --> 2:50:47.119 that's the dumbest fucking question. And I love that, man, 2:50:47.680 --> 2:50:50.680 shut up, which is how I feel on the show 2:50:50.920 --> 2:50:51.720 just about every day. 2:50:53.200 --> 2:50:54.039 It's a lesson for all. 2:50:54.200 --> 2:50:57.200 No, I'm joking, but yes, I love that part of it. 2:50:57.320 --> 2:50:57.520 Thank you. 2:50:59.879 --> 2:51:02.120 I knew you were a legend before we had to 2:51:02.240 --> 2:51:05.120 sit down, However, I did not know you were a 2:51:05.320 --> 2:51:09.560 national treasure. And I feel like the rest of the world. 2:51:10.440 --> 2:51:12.240 It just needs to be acknowledged. And I really hope 2:51:12.280 --> 2:51:14.560 that you know, you and the mere continue this conversation 2:51:14.680 --> 2:51:17.400 with the Smithsonian, because I don't feel like there should 2:51:17.400 --> 2:51:21.879 be a Smithsonian with the history of our culture, includes 2:51:22.080 --> 2:51:24.240 of hip hop, and you not be there yet. 2:51:24.640 --> 2:51:26.080 We need to get that board back. 2:51:26.360 --> 2:51:35.039 We don't even need whatever whatever you got God, yeah, yeah, 2:51:35.240 --> 2:51:36.920 that's what I just I just learned it, like you 2:51:37.000 --> 2:51:38.879 need to be. It needs to be a foreword by 2:51:38.920 --> 2:51:43.040 Marley on every like hip hop blog that MC's or 2:51:43.120 --> 2:51:44.520 DJs think that it's their bible. 2:51:44.760 --> 2:51:52.160 Like Marley, I really appreciate the fact that you had 2:51:52.920 --> 2:51:57.720 so much experience in this business and you remembered a 2:51:57.879 --> 2:52:02.200 lot of detail, because that's that's kind of one of 2:52:02.240 --> 2:52:07.000 the hardest things about a show of this caliber, where 2:52:07.280 --> 2:52:11.000 you know, details become real shaky, and you know, people 2:52:11.080 --> 2:52:14.280 don't remember things, and you know, I feel it's like 2:52:14.360 --> 2:52:18.640 really important to document the stories and keep the tradition 2:52:18.760 --> 2:52:22.840 and the history going. I'm mind blown by so many things, 2:52:22.959 --> 2:52:26.640 but let me, I feel very validated with the it's 2:52:26.680 --> 2:52:31.640 all about the guitar pedals. I just did an instagram. 2:52:31.720 --> 2:52:33.680 Think about that, right that you're putting the drums. Yes, 2:52:33.840 --> 2:52:36.680 I'm and I'm going back to now. You can't tell 2:52:36.760 --> 2:52:41.760 me nothing, It's all about guitar, guitar pedals. Well, I 2:52:41.800 --> 2:52:44.440 thank you very much for your time, Marley Man, give 2:52:44.480 --> 2:52:45.400 it up, Ladies, and Jail. 2:52:54.280 --> 2:52:54.520 West. 2:52:54.560 --> 2:52:58.600 Love Supreme is production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode was 2:52:58.680 --> 2:53:06.840 produced by the team at Pandora. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, 2:53:07.000 --> 2:53:10.720 visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 2:53:10.760 --> 2:53:11.680 to your favorite shows.