1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Hey there, Folcus. July twenty ninth, and Diddy is trying 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: once again to go home. He has offered a judge 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: just about everything you could imagine, including fifty million dollars 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: and a laundry list of things he would give up 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: if a judge would let him go home at least 6 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: for the next two months. And with that, welcome to 7 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: this episode of Amy and TJ Robes. We didn't plan 8 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: on doing this update. We weren't expecting and anticipating that 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: Diddy was going to give it a shot again because 10 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: he's been shot down We're trying to keep up at 11 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: least twice three times by the same judge saying I 12 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:37,639 Speaker 1: ain't gonna let. 13 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: You out of jail, right, And so to think that 14 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 2: he's now having to take this argument or his lawyers 15 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 2: are to the very same judge who's denied him multiple times, 16 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 2: that's fair to say. But this is a new and 17 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: interesting argument that we haven't heard before, and when you 18 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 2: really get into the details, it's fascinating, and who knows. 19 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: When you start to read what the defense has put together, 20 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: you start to think, could this shot work? It seems possible. 21 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: It's always seemed possible after his convictions. You remember immediately 22 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: after there was essentially a bail hearing after he was convicted, 23 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: and the judge on the spot said, you know what, 24 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: he asked them for their briefings. I give them to 25 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: me by one o'clock. Didn't give me a few hours 26 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: and all the side he said, no, we thought he 27 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: was going home. He thought he was going home. 28 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people were waiting outside the courthouse, 29 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: waiting to celebrate, waiting to see did he walk out 30 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: as a at least temporary freeman. I think a lot 31 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: of folks were betting that he was going to get out. 32 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: And that's a good point to make with all this, 33 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: And we were following day and day out. So if 34 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: you haven't been keeping up here, yes did. He was 35 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: convicted of two counts of prostitution transportation to engagement prostitution, 36 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: but he is remaining in jail. He wasn't convicted on 37 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: the other three more serious charges. But the judge said, 38 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: you have to stay in jail into your sentencing, which 39 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: is October third. You have to stay in jail after 40 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: October third. He's going to get some more jail time. 41 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: I think everybody agrees, yes, yes, he's going to get 42 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: more jail time. Is that a year, two years, three years, 43 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: four years? Don't know, but his argument now robes it 44 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: has been his argument forever. Why am I having to 45 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 1: stay in this jail? Why for these charges? And now 46 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: robes now that the most serious charges he's not guilty of? 47 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: So now why am I still sitting in jail? 48 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 2: But I'm curious. I have a question because if he 49 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 2: has to serve the time regardless, we don't know what 50 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,399 Speaker 2: the sentencing is going to be. It could be as 51 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: little as another year, as much as it's very four 52 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: years maybe, but maybe the prosecution has suggested that they 53 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: might ask for even more, so it could be from 54 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 2: anywhere from one to I don't know, five plus years. 55 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: But if he stays in jail now he gets credit 56 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: for time served. But he just wants a break. We 57 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: want to pause. 58 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: He has been in prison, in a notorious jail in 59 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: Brooklyn for almost a year. 60 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 2: Would he be sentenced to a different prison so to 61 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 2: get Maybe is it to get out of this notorious 62 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: prison to be put into a better, safer environment that 63 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: I could that I could understand if where he is 64 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: now is so egregious and so dangerous and so awful 65 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: that he thinks, Hey, I'll go ahead and postpone the time. 66 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: I know I have to serve, even if it means 67 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: too much. But like part of me thinks, if you're 68 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: if you're in this tough spot, do you really even 69 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: want the temptation of feeling and tasting freedom to to 70 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: know you have to go back? 71 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: Can I go home and have a steak? 72 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: But you could leave earlier if you just stayed. 73 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I could go get a steak today and 74 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: you don't know what's coming. What if the sentence is 75 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: only a year, Okay, I can stomach that I got 76 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: a two month break to get my hair dyed again, 77 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: to get a good shave, to get a good meal. 78 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: He doesn't like his gray hair. 79 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: Doesn't he talk to his family, get things in order? 80 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: Do all kinds seedings? Get out and get a break. Yeah, 81 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure he's desperate. I'll take a give me two weeks. 82 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 2: That makes sense. It's almost like getting a little vacation, yes, 83 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: from the sentence that you know you're going to have 84 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 2: to serve, and I do get it if it's in 85 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: a different facility, because this is a notorious facility. 86 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: You know what vacation is a good word, because what's 87 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: every vacation you get a break from the hell of 88 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: life for a little while. Can you enjoy your time away, 89 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: but you know you got to go right back to 90 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: that hell. That's a good way to put it. So 91 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: reminder of where we are here, folks. Yes, it was 92 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: a seven week trial. We followed all of that. Yes 93 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: we got the verdicts on July second. Now we thought 94 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: we wouldn't be hearing anything until close to October third, 95 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: when his sentence is coming. The robes. This is a 96 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: twelve page motion they put together, and the keyword here 97 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: is exceptional. Exceptional was a theme throughout, but they in 98 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: the very first line Robes, they did not mess around. 99 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: They made very clear what they were going to be 100 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: asking this judge. 101 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: For the first line of this twelve page motion reads 102 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 2: as follows Sean Combs through his council moves for his 103 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 2: release on appropriate conditions in advance of a sentencing. 104 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: Hearing appropriate conditions. We're going to get into these conditions 105 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: in a minute, and he's very specific about the six 106 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: he names, but then he kind of left it open 107 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: for the judge as well to add some others. But 108 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: we talk about this word exceptional the line they use 109 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: here in the lane, and we're going to go through, 110 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: and the briefing is really interesting, and you know what 111 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: reminds me of the lawyer Agniphilo some of the language 112 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: in there. It's just colloquial. It's plain speak of like, hey, 113 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: common sense tells you kind of a thing. That's how 114 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:08,559 Speaker 1: he talks. 115 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: Well, and I want to point this out. So I was, 116 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 2: I had a kind of a busy day and you 117 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: had the time to read through this entire twelve page motion, 118 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 2: and you said to me, Robes, this is actually so fascinating. 119 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 2: And I thought, really a legal briefing, a twelve page 120 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: legal briefing, I don't know anyone who wants to come 121 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: home and read this. And yet you were right, it's fascinating. 122 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 2: It really is a page turner. 123 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: It's an absolute plage. And again it's twelve pages, not 124 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: necessarily that long. But he goes through and makes this argument. 125 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: We're going to give you particular excerpts, but this is 126 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: the line that kind of sums up what they were 127 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: going after. Lawyers were arguing that US Code gives this 128 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: court the authority to let ditty out if quote it 129 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: is clearly shown that there are exceptional reasons why such 130 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: person's detention would not be appropriate. Exceptional reasons, And then 131 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: they go through ropes and they lay out point by 132 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: point by point, this is exceptional. This is exceptional. This 133 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: is exceptional, this is exceptional. They're going through his case 134 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: and saying, this is not a guy who should be 135 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: in jail, and they go through and name all these 136 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: exceptional reasons and robes the Man Act. How many times 137 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: do we hear that throughout the trial? A lot too 138 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: many to counts front and center once again. 139 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: Yes, So what is the Man Act? It was named 140 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 2: after Representative James Man of Illinois. It was originally referred 141 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: to as the White Slave Traffic Act of nineteen ten. 142 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 2: And what it does. It prohibits transporting someone over state 143 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:54,119 Speaker 2: lines for prostitution. But it has broad language. It says 144 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: any woman or girl for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery, debauchery. 145 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: I knew, I said that wrong. It's been a long 146 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,239 Speaker 2: day debauchery, or for any other immoral purpose. 147 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: This was That's the problem. Yes, that is the problem, 148 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: because that's broad language for the purpose of prostitution. You 149 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: could just stop right there. But when you add debauchery. Okay, 150 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: what is that? 151 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 2: What is that? 152 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: Who determines what is any other immoral purpose? And that 153 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: is the problem. They use this and many will point 154 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: to you use this against black men in the past. 155 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: Jack Johnson, who's a boxing. 156 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 2: Champ who had a white girlfriend, Yeah. 157 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: A white girlfriend. They use this against him. Now they 158 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: also used it against r. Kelly and Glene Maxwell. The 159 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: Man Act, and many are saying, it's controversy, should be 160 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 1: done away with and why are you trying to put 161 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: somebody in jail who hired a prostitute under the White 162 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,119 Speaker 1: Slave Traffic Act of nineteen ten is the argument many. 163 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: Will make to prevent interracial relationships was part of as well. 164 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 2: That was a huge part of it. They didn't like, 165 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: So an immoral purpose would be a black man with 166 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 2: a white woman, or whatever way you want to put it. 167 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: But that is disturbing. The history is real, and it's 168 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 2: perhaps ironic given the fact that now it's being applied 169 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: in this way, and certainly it's being taken perhaps not 170 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: for or from what its initial or original intent was, 171 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: and being applied to something now that a lot of 172 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 2: people are saying, come on, yeah. 173 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: And they go out, come on, man, at point by points, 174 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: and they argue again some excerpts here from this motion, 175 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: but they say, the way it has been applied in 176 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: the past quote clearly indicates the exceptional, indeed unique nature 177 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 1: of this case, specifically the prosecution and continued incarceration of 178 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: a customer of services provided by a sex worker to 179 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: a third person, than of a defended profiting financially from 180 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: the business of prostitution. You cannot break that down, a 181 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: legal thing down to make it make more sense to 182 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: the layperson than that. 183 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 2: Correct. I get that you and I have been talking 184 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 2: about this. Diddy did not profit financially, nor did his 185 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 2: business profit financially. Nope, from any sort of prostitution. This 186 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: was a personal sexual fantasy lived out in real life 187 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 2: by consenting adults, is the argument. This had nothing to 188 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 2: do with prostitution in the sense that someone was financially 189 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 2: profiting from someone else being forced to perform a sexual act. 190 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: With that line, continued incarceration of a customer of services 191 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: provided by a sex worker. They have a john in 192 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: prison right now and won't let them go home for 193 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:54,119 Speaker 1: two months. 194 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 2: A john who didn't actually engage directly in sexual acts 195 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 2: with said prostitute. 196 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: That is the exact argument that they are now making. 197 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: That's wild and it's fascinating. Now, he goes on to say, 198 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: in the limited cases of Man Act convictions from across 199 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: the country that bear any similarity to mister Comb's case, 200 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: the defendants were released pending sentencing. His argument is, wait 201 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: a minute, you don't treat anybody else who's been found 202 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: guilty under the man Act this way, So why is 203 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: he being treated this way? Right? That's a simple argument. Now, again, 204 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: we're not lawyers, but to a lay person into a juror, 205 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: that makes sense. 206 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,119 Speaker 2: It does. And they go on to say, speaking of exceptional, 207 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 2: the circumstances here are by definition exceptional in that there 208 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 2: has never been a Man Act prosecution remotely like this one. Specifically, 209 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:56,599 Speaker 2: the exceptional nature of prosecuting and incarcerating a person convicted 210 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: of paying for sex services to be provided to his girlfriend. 211 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 2: And again, everyone was a consenting adult, and the jury 212 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:14,599 Speaker 2: actually upheld that by not convicting him of sex trafficking, 213 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 2: by not convicting him of the more serious charges by law, 214 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 2: and by the juror's decision, that is a true statement. 215 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: He's making the argument almost that the jurors are saying 216 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 1: this by what they did, not just legal precedent, but 217 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: the jurors are telling you what they feel about what 218 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: he did and what he's responsible for. The Man Act 219 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: as front and center in this entire motion, in this 220 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: argument for him getting out now, they're saying the prosecution 221 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: and continued incarceration are unique in the history of the 222 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: Man Act. There has literally never been a case like 223 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: this one where a person and his girlfriend arranged for 224 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: adult men, have consensual sexual relations with the adult long 225 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: term girlfriend as part of a demonstrated swingers lifestyle, and 226 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: has been prosecuted and incarcerated under the Man Act. He's saying, 227 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: these are swingers, okay, and you're keeping him in jail 228 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: for that. He's not arguing about how much he should 229 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: be sentenced to. He's just saying, you don't need to 230 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: keep this guy in jail his until his sentencing. What 231 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: do we hear all the time about people being released 232 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: under their own recognisance? 233 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 2: Well, the big question is is he a threat to 234 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: anyone else while he's awaiting sentencing? Would he be retaliatory? 235 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: What is the judge said about that? 236 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 2: He said, hell, yeah, everything exactly. He said there is 237 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: a reason why his bail was denied when he was 238 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: initially arrested. Those reasons haven't changed. That's what the judge 239 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 2: has said up until now. This is interesting because I 240 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 2: do appreciate because a lot of times legaliese or these 241 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 2: types of documents, or just when you're reading these kinds 242 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 2: of motions, a lot of times they're confusing. I don't 243 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 2: understand the language, even like having had to do this 244 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 2: many times over the years, this one is actually so understandable. 245 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: And I appreciate that from Diddy's lawyers. But here's what 246 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: they said, and I think this will make sense to 247 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 2: a lot of folks who are listening to their argument. 248 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: Combs and two of his longtime girlfriends had a private 249 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 2: intimate life that is not uncommon today. I don't know 250 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 2: about that. I mean, I feel like it's kind of uncommon. 251 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: So he's trying to make the argument this swinging isn't 252 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: necessarily so taboo anything. 253 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: Just some of the stuff I heard. I'm gonna go 254 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: ahead and say, I'm I think it was uncommon. 255 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: There was nothing common about anything. 256 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 2: So I'm going to take issue with that statement. Fine, 257 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: I just want to say that as a human, I'm sorry, 258 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: I'm fairly certain, I feel confident saying what I heard 259 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 2: was uncommon. But anyway, I digress, Let's move on. It 260 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 2: may not have been common on June twenty fifth, nineteen ten, 261 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 2: when the Man Act, or as it was originally called, 262 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 2: the White Slave Traffic Act, was passed. Diddy's defense goes 263 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 2: on to say, but attitudes about sex and morality have 264 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 2: come a long way in the last one hundred and 265 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 2: fifteen years. Okay, I'll give you that. It is worth 266 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 2: noting that when the Man Act was passed to protect 267 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: the morals and decency of America's women, America's women were 268 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 2: not allowed to vote. 269 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: I thought that was so interesting to put that in there. 270 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: Doesn't that bring it home to how much of a 271 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: different time it was when this thing that you just 272 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: convicted him for the time they wrote this for was 273 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: a time that women couldn't even vote. 274 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 2: It was like these poor white women didn't know what 275 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: they were doing, or couldn't be even couldn't even be 276 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: allowed to make their own decisions because they couldn't even vote, 277 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: let alone decide that they actually were in love with 278 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 2: and wanted to be with the black man. I mean, 279 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 2: I feel like that all kind of plays into this okay. 280 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 2: So they go on to say, perhaps due to the 281 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 2: troubling background of this statute, whose history is rich with 282 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 2: both racism and misogyny, I'm going to agree with that 283 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: the Department of Justice has limited its application to those 284 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 2: people profiting financially from the business of prostitution and not 285 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: using it to prosecute consensual adults for their own lifestyles. 286 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: He say, we shouldn't even bet that. We shouldn't even 287 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: be here because the Department of Justice does not do this. 288 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: We shouldn't even be here, is the point. Now. I 289 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: think a lot of people would agree. Why why he's 290 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: a john. We went through all this, he's a john. 291 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: He paid for prostitute. 292 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: These aren't underage women. These weren't underage prostitutes. And the 293 00:16:54,800 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: jury did not agree that the two alleged victims were 294 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 2: in fact doing something that they didn't choose to do. 295 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 2: The jury made the decision by not convicting him of 296 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: the more serious charges that these two women were there 297 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 2: under duress. 298 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: They go on to keep making a point that cowboys 299 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: aren't in jail, girlfriends aren't in jail, then neither should 300 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: Ditty be in jail. The argument goes on to say 301 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: he actually needs to get out of that jail because 302 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: it's dangerous. 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Now this next session section, there's a 331 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: quote in here that a lot of people have been using, 332 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: and perhaps it is the most noteworthy quote in all 333 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: of this twelve page motion is the one there I 334 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: have underlined romes where he's arguing that Sean Diddy Comb 335 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: should not be in jail. Yes, he's saying Comb should 336 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: be called a swinger in the vocabulary of the Man Act, 337 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,719 Speaker 1: they write prostitution. Generally, he might at worst be somewhat 338 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: analogous to a john someone who pays to have sex 339 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: with a sex worker, in this case, a male sex worker, 340 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,239 Speaker 1: more particularly a male sex worker who works for and 341 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: is vetted by a company. He's saying this isn't some 342 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: weird thing where he's hauling somebody across state lines, sneaking 343 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: somebody over. He went through a company Cowboys and Angels, 344 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: Cowboys for Angels. 345 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 2: So I messed it up? How did I mess up 346 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 2: Cowboys for Angels? So this is a legitimate company. Part 347 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 2: of the argument that he employed for escort services. 348 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,959 Speaker 1: He wasn't out there on the street pickings some money up. 349 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: He called a company, So that was part of the argument. 350 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 1: With this next line here, Rope, this is the one 351 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: that it's getting a lot of headlines and a lot 352 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: of people are talking about. And you'll understand why, folks. 353 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: All right, it reads Sean Combs should not be in 354 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 2: jail for this conduct. In fact, he may be the 355 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 2: only person currently in a United States jail for being 356 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: any sort of john and certainly the only person in 357 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 2: jail for hiring adult male escorts for him and his 358 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 2: girlfriend when he did not even have sex with the 359 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 2: escort himself. 360 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: That's as plain and simple. You can understand that, right. 361 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: I wonder if he is. I wonder if somebody's looking 362 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,479 Speaker 1: at that. I'm sure they researched it. He is. He 363 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: possibly the only person in jail in this country for 364 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: doing what he did. Anybody else who did it or 365 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: possibly got convicted on the Man Act, they would be out. 366 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 2: But but if anyone else is in jail for something similar, 367 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: for being a sort of john, I can't imagine there's 368 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: somebody who's in jail for being a john who didn't 369 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 2: actually have sex with the sex worker. 370 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: So in that argument that they're making is he's kind 371 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: of less than a john. It was almost a service 372 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: for somebody else. He just happened to be the one 373 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: who paid for it. It's part of the argument that 374 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: they're making this is they are they are using his 375 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 1: not guilties to make an argument now that they weren't 376 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: able to do before. They go on and say that 377 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: the cowboys and the girlfriends they're not in jail and 378 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: they shouldn't be. But said, if everybody else the agency 379 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: leader is, the porn stars, the girlfriends, the cow all 380 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: these folks are out of jail, but this guy is 381 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: in jail, that doesn't make sense. 382 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 2: I actually love the quote that they use because it's 383 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 2: actually fascinating. Again, I was kind of neutral when I 384 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 2: walked into this to read and see what the defense 385 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 2: had to say. This one to me is actually really fascinating, 386 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 2: they say. They write, mister Combs is incarcerated while everyone 387 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 2: else involved in this identical conduct, his girlfriends, the cowboys, 388 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 2: the agency's leaders, the porn stars, and others walk free 389 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 2: as they should because their argument is these were all 390 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,479 Speaker 2: consenting adults. Now, mister Combs, Sean Diddy Combs facilitated it, 391 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 2: he paid for it, so they're kind of leaving that 392 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 2: part out, but he was Maybe the prosecution or others 393 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 2: would argue he was the mastermind behind it, but these 394 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 2: are consenting adults, and certainly the jury agreed with that 395 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 2: concept that everyone involved was a consenting adult. 396 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: They went on, they're making an argument, I haven't heard 397 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: this throughout roads. Remind me if I have. We've heard 398 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: about this prison, this jail, MDC. It's the only federal 399 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: facility that can hold prisoners here that are getting ready 400 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: for trial, any federal trial. I believe it's in Brooklyn. 401 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: But it's notorious. I mean, it has a very very 402 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: bad reputation. And they make a point of saying that's 403 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: another reason he should be getting out. And why this 404 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: case is exceptional is that mister Colmbs has been a 405 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: model inmate. But they say the violent conditions are still 406 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: very much a concern for mister Colmbs and is an 407 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: unnecessary confinement risk given the clear precedent of multiple similarly 408 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: situated Man Act convictions where defendants were released on conditions. 409 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: What they're saying here is that Judge, by leaving him here, 410 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,479 Speaker 1: you are putting him at risk different position than other 411 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: folks with the same convictions. So why in doing so, 412 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 1: it's an undue risk to this guy for these crimes. 413 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 2: Some people would say he got a standing ovation. Oh yeah, 414 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: that's right when he came back from court at this 415 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 2: notorious prison. I'm not saying that there aren't perhaps outliers, 416 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 2: some dangerous folks who don't like him and have ill 417 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 2: will towards him. But some of the argument could be, hey, 418 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 2: he's a hero of the jail. What do you mean 419 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 2: his life's at risk. 420 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: The argument is just a dangerous place, like you just 421 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: don't want to be in there. 422 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 2: You don't want to look at somebody the wrong way. 423 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: You do not want to be in now is what 424 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: their argument is, and you're putting him at risk. A 425 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: couple other things they hit on here, and they trying 426 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: to make the point. The judge said repeatedly, repeatedly and 427 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: denying his previous requests to get out, said he is 428 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: a threat in Robes. This is going to be key 429 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: because the judge says he can factor in some of 430 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: the other behavior that he wasn't convicted for, but he 431 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 1: has shown that he's violent. They keep trying to say 432 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: that he is not a threat, and made that argument 433 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: how convincingly I don't know. 434 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 2: Look, we heard all about and specifically from Cassie Ventura Fine, 435 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 2: and it was documented. I don't think any No, they 436 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 2: didn't even deny it. They had multiple witnesses confirming it, 437 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 2: and we had video and there is the video. But 438 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 2: beyond even that video surveillance from that hotel, clearly there 439 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 2: were several other incidents of violence that were documented and verified. 440 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 2: I think that's fair, and he didn't deny them. 441 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: But this is key that they point out that I 442 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: didn't put together before this. 443 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 2: So they his lawyers pointed out they said, based on 444 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 2: the facts developed at the trial, aside from a single 445 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 2: instance on June eighteenth, twenty twenty four, where mister Combs 446 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 2: was provoked by Jane through her own acts of violence, 447 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 2: there was no evidence of any acts of violence in 448 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 2: the last seven years. So that incident we heard about 449 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:51,479 Speaker 2: that Jane, she slammed his head on a marble countertop. Correct, 450 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 2: and then he went back in the bedroom and the 451 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 2: John who was there described hearing slapping and certainly they're 452 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 2: little bruising and it was her to the point where 453 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 2: he was like ice that and then get back to 454 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: performing with this john. The john then couldn't perform because 455 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 2: he was so disturbed by hearing and seeing what he saw. 456 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 2: It all went sideways at that point. So clearly that 457 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 2: was an act of violence. But the lawyers are pointing 458 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 2: out that was the only act of violence in the 459 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 2: past seven years. 460 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: That's it was a bad one. Their argument is she 461 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: started it. Okay, fine, that's no definisha, that's no justification. 462 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: But she did some pretty horrific stuff. They're saying he 463 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: was provoked and short of that, in the past seven years, 464 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: he has not been a violent person. To even point 465 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: out that when he was arrested here he had been 466 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: in the domestic violence program last year. He was participating 467 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: in that last year and he has continued some of 468 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: that work during his incarceration. Now they're making an argument 469 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: the guy was trying to do better, and he had 470 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: not been hitting women for the past seven years, until 471 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: he did, until somebody slammed it, until he did, until 472 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: he did. No excuse for that. But if a judge 473 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: is making the argument that he is such a violent 474 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: and continues to be a violent person, they're arguing that 475 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: for the past seven years he has not been. 476 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 2: The other concern was and for several of the folks 477 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 2: who testified, and they spoke to it, and they made 478 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 2: a point to make it an official statement regarding his bail. 479 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 2: There are folks out there who say, Hey, I'm going 480 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 2: to be concerned. I'm worried if you let ditty out, 481 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 2: he may come after me. He may seek retribution, retaliation. 482 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 2: But this is what his lawyers had to say about this, like, 483 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 2: what do you think he's actually going to do something 484 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 2: crazy in these next two months? Are you insane? Of course, 485 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 2: he's going to be on his best behavior. And so 486 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 2: they specifically use this language. They said, if released on conditions, 487 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 2: Sean Combs will not be violent to anyone. As we 488 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 2: said in court, this jury gave him his life back, 489 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 2: and he will not squander his second chance at life, 490 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 2: nor would he do anything to further jeopardize jeopardize his 491 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 2: seven children not having a father, and four of his 492 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 2: children not having a parent at all. 493 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: The judge can look at that and do what he's 494 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: supposed But looking at that makes sense to me. I mean, 495 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: this dude could have been going to jail for the 496 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: rest of his life, and maybe he might be in 497 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: for another year, best case scenario another five. I mean, 498 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: that's that's a big deal. No matter what, he's still 499 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 1: going to have a lot of life left. I think 500 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: that makes sense. He's not an idiot. Now, everybody out 501 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 1: there that we've talked to, and we've talked to plenty 502 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: who feared this guy, who feared him for decades, even 503 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: are they ever going to feel comfortable? Are they going 504 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: to that? 505 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 2: And they might claim being out and free and being 506 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 2: able to communicate with others, he might not technically commit 507 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: an act of violence himself, but could he, with the 508 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 2: right communication and a certain amount of freedom, be able 509 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 2: to compel someone else to do that. I still think 510 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 2: if anyone who testified, or anyone who had anything to 511 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 2: do with some of the evidence held against him, if 512 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 2: any harm came to any of them, he would come 513 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 2: to light. I mean, there's no way that the trail 514 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 2: wouldn't lead straight back to Diddy. 515 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: He's probably around. He'll be praying all of them are okay, 516 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: Like I hope they don't have an accident, because everybody's 517 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: gonna come knocking on my door, I can imagine. So 518 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: they go on and say in the briefing, okay, we 519 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: can make all these convincing arguments. They finally go forward 520 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: and say he's not gonna be viling with anyone, and 521 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: he's willing to abide by any condition that the court offers. 522 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: But robes he offered and was very specific. He has 523 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: six things, he said, he is offering the judge. I 524 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: will give you this if you will let me out. 525 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: Do you think the judge is going to go along 526 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: with this? Here are the six things. 527 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 2: I don't know because some of this has to do 528 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 2: with there There is something to be said about buying 529 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 2: your way out of jail, and this could be construed 530 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 2: as that by some. But one of the first things 531 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 2: he says he is offering he will sign a fifty 532 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 2: million dollar bond secured by his home in Miami. That 533 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 2: bond will be co signed by three financially responsible people, 534 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 2: so they're on the hook for it. Number three, Combs 535 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 2: will reside in his home in Miami. Number four, His 536 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 2: travel will be limited to the Southern District of Florida 537 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 2: the Southern District of New York for attorney meetings, as 538 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 2: well as airports necessary to travel between the two. He 539 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 2: also says, so this is number five, that he will 540 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 2: be placed under the express supervision of the US Pre 541 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 2: Trial Services Agency and must report to the agency as directed. 542 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,239 Speaker 2: And finally, he says his passport, he will surrender it 543 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 2: to pre Trial Services and he will not apply for 544 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 2: any other passport. 545 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: Do I have right? Is any of that different from 546 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: the stuff he originally offered. I know the fifty million 547 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,719 Speaker 1: dollar in the house was already there. I don't remember 548 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: the three other people. I don't remember that. 549 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 2: He did say he would surrender his passport. I do 550 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 2: remember that for sure. And I think he also agreed 551 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 2: to be under the supervision of whoever wants to make 552 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 2: sure he does what he says he's going to do. 553 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: Those six things they offered, and then you know what 554 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: else they offered. Anything you want, Judge, They essentially sing 555 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: this to the judge quote. If the court finds more 556 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: extreme conditions necessary, the court may also add any or 557 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: all of the following conditions, home detention, private security approved 558 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: by the court, pre trial services with the cost born 559 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: by the defendant, mental health treatment, substance abuse treatment, electronic 560 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: surveillance of the defendant, anything the court deems necessary. So 561 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: we are they're essentially saying, whatever, he's just desperate to 562 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: get out of here, we will give you anything you want. 563 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 2: Wooh. And so yes, they go on to say, with 564 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 2: any and all of the conditions posed, and they were plentiful, 565 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 2: mister Combs can show by clear and convincing evidence, he 566 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 2: does not pose a danger to the community. They say, 567 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 2: he will fully surrender to supervision by pre trial services 568 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 2: to ensure that the court knows that mister Combs does 569 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 2: not pose a danger to any person. I don't know. 570 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 2: I mean, look, the arguments are again fascinating and interesting, 571 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 2: and they make a very good case. This is probably 572 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 2: the best case I have ever seen. However, this is 573 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 2: a judge who has denied him bond multiple times, more 574 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 2: than once. And what has changed between when he ruled 575 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 2: before and now, I don't know. 576 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: Everything is the same, except that the attorneys had more 577 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: time to put together maybe a more compelling argument because 578 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: the judge when he was found and not guilty on 579 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: those three counts, guilty on the two. Judge said hours later, Nope, 580 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let you out of jail. I'll see 581 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: you in October third for your sentencing. They have, for 582 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: whatever reason, thought let's give it another shot, and they're 583 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: given another shot. I believe the judge is asking for 584 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: the prosecutors to respond in the next couple of days. 585 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: I'm not sure when he might give his ruling, but 586 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: strange things have happened in this case, and it's quite 587 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: possible we could hear something from the judge of this 588 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: week that's going to either tell him, yeah, nothing's changed, 589 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: You're gonna keep you butt in jail. Or can you 590 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: imagine him saying, Okay. 591 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 2: I wonder what the political pressure is on this judge. 592 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: What the it's not supposed to have any not supposed 593 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: to the way this judge has been solid. 594 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 2: I have to I have to regree, like I think 595 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 2: this judge has handled this very high profile emotionally charged. 596 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 2: You can from A from A there's a racial component, 597 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 2: there's a gender component. There's so many competing interests. People 598 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 2: are fervently compact, like passionate about either side, and I 599 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 2: think he has seemed very measured and very fair in 600 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 2: this case. It's hard for me to imagine that he 601 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 2: would suddenly grant Diddy. 602 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, to have a change of heart. He knows the 603 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: facts of the case, he knows all that. 604 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 2: It seems very This feels like a hail Mary. 605 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: Fine, and why not. What would he have to lose? 606 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 1: Got nothing to lose. But maybe there's something in there. 607 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: We're reading it a certain way. Maybe the judge will 608 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: read it a different way, in a legal way, and 609 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: there is a compelling argument to let him go home now. 610 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, folks, we didn't plan on doing this, but 611 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: we hop back on today because oh my god, we 612 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 1: got a Diddy update that we weren't expecting for quite 613 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 1: some time. We will keep an eye on this. You 614 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,919 Speaker 1: can expect updates from us, certainly if anything happens. But again, 615 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: we believe the prosecutors have until Thursday. I believe it's 616 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: Thursday to get that response in and we shall see. 617 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: So with that, folks, we always appreciate you hanging out 618 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: here with us and listening to us and following us 619 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: along for this Didty trial, which still, as it seems 620 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: a couple more months to go before we know exactly 621 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: what's going to happen, but this week has shaped up 622 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: to be an interesting one, and maybe a really big 623 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: one in the ditty case. But for now we always 624 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: appreciate you listening to us. I'm t J. Holmes, along 625 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,879 Speaker 1: with my dear, dear and new robot. We'll see you'll 626 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: soon