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Speaker 1: freendsy ksb w Actionnate News. That was Christopher Salas. Guys psychiatrists,

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Speaker 1: of hit series on investigation Discovery Fatal Vows. But with

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Speaker 1: He said he went to see a magic show and

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Speaker 1: to see Kelsey, and that he'll be home Monday. I

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Speaker 1: warned him on Saturday when he was there that, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe you ought not wait till Monday to come home.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I just come home on the next flight, take

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Speaker 1: a Southwest and I'll pick you up in San Jose,

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Speaker 1: you know. And I wish he had taken that advice.

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Speaker 1: Nearly a week after Burschard bought that plane ticket, he

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Speaker 1: was found bludgeoned to death and the trunk of a

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Speaker 1: car on an Avada Highway. Judy said this was the

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Speaker 1: second time Burchard went to Vegas in the last month.

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Speaker 1: In February, Judy and a friend went with Burchard for

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Speaker 1: a medical conference. Judy says Turner reached out to him

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Speaker 1: then she had wanted to know who was with him,

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Speaker 1: and you know, all of this was he staying at

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Speaker 1: a hotel and who was with him and all that.

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Speaker 1: And his friend thinks that perhaps she had been planning

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Speaker 1: it then, but there was just too many people with

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Speaker 1: him that you know, would notice. Burchard met with Turner

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Speaker 1: despite Judy's warnings. I wasn't happy about it, you know.

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Speaker 1: I told him repeatedly that these are not, you know,

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Speaker 1: the people, the kind of people you want to be

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Speaker 1: associating with. And Judy says while she believes Turner has

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Speaker 1: something to do with Burchard's death, she also says she

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Speaker 1: couldn't do it alone. One person could not have put

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Speaker 1: a body in the trunk of a car and also

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Speaker 1: driving that car out into the desert. They had to

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Speaker 1: have a way to get out of there. Crime stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, a playboy model age twenty five, as

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Speaker 1: now the prime suspect in the murder of a seventy

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Speaker 1: one year old psychiatrist found bludgeoned to death and the

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Speaker 1: trunk of a BMW and where else, Los Vegas? Well,

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Speaker 1: can you tell me about the fact that we know

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Speaker 1: two more warrants have been issued? John Limley Well. The

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Speaker 1: first warrant was to search a home where Kelsey Turner

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Speaker 1: lived in the Vada that Burchard had paid for Turner's

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Speaker 1: March rent. And in this home police find a towel

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Speaker 1: with the same design as a towel found in the

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Speaker 1: car with the doctor's body, and a door that appeared

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Speaker 1: to have been ripped away from the hidden hinges and

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Speaker 1: broken into. There was also blood on both halves of

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Speaker 1: the door. Inside the garage of that house, police reported

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Speaker 1: finding more blood, footwear, impressions, cleaning supplies, and evidence of

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Speaker 1: a major clean up. So this warrant is for her

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Speaker 1: home that she had. Did you say it was in Vegas? Yes,

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Speaker 1: and it was in her name. But I imagine he's

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Speaker 1: paying the is it a house note or rent? It

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Speaker 1: is rent? So she was renting a house right and

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Speaker 1: he had already paid for her March rent. There were

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Speaker 1: two search warrants. What was the second warrant that just

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Speaker 1: went down? There was a warrant of Turner's phone and

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Speaker 1: found that she was usually in that Las Vegas home

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Speaker 1: but had left after the time that Bruschard died. Police

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Speaker 1: noted that they think Bruschard died between March third and sixth.

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Speaker 1: Turner's phone mostly pinned in the area of her home

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Speaker 1: between March first and fifth, and then on the fifth

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Speaker 1: Kelsey Turner appears to be away from the home. Then

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Speaker 1: around five twenty pm March seventh, the phone shuts down

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Speaker 1: and was never turned on again. Now, so those are

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Speaker 1: the two most recent warrants. Now, let me ask you

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Speaker 1: one more thing. Do you believe Kelsey acted alone? From

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Speaker 1: what detectives and investigators have allowed us to know in

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Speaker 1: this case, it appears that the boyfriend played at least

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Speaker 1: some role in all of this. Has he been arrested?

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Speaker 1: But no, he has not. Well, then we better we

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Speaker 1: better walk very very lightly on this. He has not

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Speaker 1: been arrested, he has not been charged. But there is

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Speaker 1: a theory, Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina divorce lawyer, that she

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Speaker 1: did not act alone. What's that theory? The theory is

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Speaker 1: that she could not lift that body by herself into

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Speaker 1: the chunk of the car and then drive it all

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Speaker 1: the way to the desert and then leave by herself

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Speaker 1: in any other vehicle the desert where the body was found,

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Speaker 1: and then what walked back to Doctor Michelle Dupre, medical

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Speaker 1: examiner and author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide. How long

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Speaker 1: could a person survive walking through the desert Fnancy. That's

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Speaker 1: a good question, and of course it depends on the

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Speaker 1: weather and the state of how that person was in initially.

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Speaker 1: But a person really cannot do without water for more

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Speaker 1: than three days. Food much longer, but not water. What

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Speaker 1: do you make of the fact, Doctor Michelle Dupree that

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Speaker 1: there were cleaning solutions in the home, the home belonging

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Speaker 1: to the suspect, Kelsey Turner cleaning solutions on you? What

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Speaker 1: do you have to do to break down DNA and

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Speaker 1: clean up a scene? Well, Nancy, as you know, people

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Speaker 1: can try to clean up scenes all they want, but

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Speaker 1: there is always some evidence left. Yes, bleach can cover

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Speaker 1: up DNA. We can even paint a wall that has

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Speaker 1: had blood stains on it, and with luminol or blue

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Speaker 1: Star we can still see the blood spatter on that wall.

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Speaker 1: So there's no way to completely clean up a crime

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Speaker 1: scene with any No matter how what cleaning solutions you

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Speaker 1: may have. You can see blood through paint. You can

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Speaker 1: with special light and with lumina. What if it's um,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what kind of paint you use. UM

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Speaker 1: not really Again, what we see is the splatter pattern?

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Speaker 1: You know it's a spatter pattern. Um, if we can

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Speaker 1: take the DNA, but we can still see them the paint, brilliant, brilliant.

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Speaker 1: You just taught me something I didn't know about blood spatter.

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Speaker 1: So you can't get in there and get the DNA out,

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Speaker 1: but you can still see the spatter underneath the paint. Brilliant,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle dupre joining me. So doctor Brian in a nutshell,

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Speaker 1: does this appear to be premeditated? Yes? I think if yes,

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Speaker 1: it sounds to me like something that was thought out,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily thought out well, but thought out. And as

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Speaker 1: we often say, we remind everybody all the time, premeditation

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Speaker 1: can happen in seconds. Let me ask you this to

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Speaker 1: John Linley, what would indicate premeditation. Premeditation would show that

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Speaker 1: they would somehow, first of all, plan this out in

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Speaker 1: a reasonable amount of time, that there were plans of foot,

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Speaker 1: that things were in place to make sure that he

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Speaker 1: was no longer on the scene. And of course there's

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Speaker 1: also the incentive that they would gain possibly and I

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Speaker 1: say they, I should say Kelsey Turner because she's the

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Speaker 1: only one arrested at this point, that they would benefit

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Speaker 1: doesn't the mother live in the home with her, That's

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Speaker 1: what Judy Irp say. Yes, she does, well, she did

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Speaker 1: it once. So how can the home be covered in

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Speaker 1: blood and the mom not know about the question. The

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Speaker 1: mom lived with her at some point, but at some

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Speaker 1: point moved out and the boyfriend moved in. He let

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Speaker 1: me understand this to you, Kathleen Murphy, trial lawyer out

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Speaker 1: of North Carolina. What says premeditation to you? Premeditation is

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Speaker 1: any act or thought that can be shown that there

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Speaker 1: was a plan or an instant where the person knew

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Speaker 1: what they were doing and intended to do it. And

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Speaker 1: just to make matters more complicated, listen to this our friend,

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Speaker 1: Christopher Silas at KSBW. We're learning the twenty five year

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Speaker 1: old accused of murdering doctor Thomas Burchard is pregnant. The

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Speaker 1: San Joaquin County jail says because of that pregnancy, they

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Speaker 1: have to make different travel arrangements other than bus or

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Speaker 1: van to get her out of Clark County. We wait

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Speaker 1: as justice un falls. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, goodbye, friend,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to me this thing