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Speaker 2: I'm Lola Blanc and I'm Megan Elizabeth. I'm not a businesswoman.

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Speaker 2: But today's part two of our interview with Priscilla Tucker,

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Speaker 2: our friend, well, Megan's new friend and former member of

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Speaker 2: Shout out. Oh my goodness, she's been through a lot.

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Speaker 2: She's been through a lot, and she's thriving. Check her out,

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Speaker 2: y'all before we dive in with her, Megan, can you

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Speaker 1: There's been another mouse shooting. Disgusting, horrible. I cannot believe

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Speaker 2: It's just like it's just exhausting it like, I can't

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Speaker 2: I actually was just in Michigan, where I'm from originally,

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Speaker 1: And then the divide just deepens and both sides again

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Speaker 5: People, right, yeah, because most people they think that Paul

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Speaker 4: Or I know you're a bad bed.

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Speaker 5: Right, but most people don't know that.

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Speaker 2: This hurts me more than hurts you. Is a really

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Speaker 1: Would you guys ever get if you don't stop crying.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to hey you again.

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Speaker 5: So my moms would say, if you don't stop crying,

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Speaker 2: Like, good, that'll teach you how to express your emotions

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Speaker 5: Really?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Wow? Okay, so you called that off, you get

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Speaker 5: I was living with my grandma for a bit and

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Speaker 5: And there would be instances where I would go to

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 2: Look, maybe they just wanted to be friends, but also

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Speaker 5: No, but that's how that's kind of how it is,

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Speaker 2: M right. It's like the girls who go on the Bachelor,

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Speaker 1: Even watching the Bachelor this week, Willa having a conversation,

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Speaker 4: So that's probably the best thing anyone could do right now.

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Speaker 4: I love that.

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Speaker 2: No, obviously not the same thing in any way.

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Speaker 4: No, no, of course.

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Speaker 2: But do the wives also not get into heaven if

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Speaker 2: My god, So just to survive the after time.

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Speaker 4: Going to freak out, this is crazy.

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Speaker 2: So this puts you in a position where you're like, haha,

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Speaker 4: This is a nightmare. Yes, this is a living nightmare.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: And they're not even giving you money, sorry to right,

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Speaker 5: What that's why you're getting I'm like, if I am

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Speaker 5: and I'm letting you do whatever you want. Like, just

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Speaker 2: Were there other families where that wasn't true, where like.

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Speaker 5: There were It's it's crazy, honestly most of them were

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Speaker 5: But because they're not Kingston, they're not as good. They're

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Speaker 2: On because they're not literally in like from that bloodlines.

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Speaker 5: Yes, the Kingstons, especially from the brother the main brothers

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, sure, could a man just go and say

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Speaker 5: So a guy can bring in a girl, But they

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Speaker 2: Also, then men would be lining up because wondering exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: typically they're there. They want less. They'll find all kinds

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Speaker 5: Right. And but when a girl is joining, she has

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Speaker 5: to be completely white, like they won't allow any other

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Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't surprise me, but the fact that

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Speaker 2: Imagine. I imagine, like there is no way when you

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Speaker 5: Yes. Yes, So in the morning it was church and

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Speaker 5: So I went and she was being super sketchy, and

442
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:27,159
Speaker 5: then my stepdad showed up and they kept going in

443
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,640
Speaker 5: and out of their room, like not even really talking

444
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 5: to me or my sister was there as well, but

445
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 5: they were just acting so weird. So I'm like, we

446
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 5: should go. I think that I don't want to be

447
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,160
Speaker 5: here anymore. So my sister and I were getting ready

448
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 5: to leave and the doorbell rings and it's just these

449
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 5: two random people. All my mom says is I told

450
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Speaker 5: them they could take you, so yes. So they I'm

451
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Speaker 5: like trying to run away. Our back door has like

452
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Speaker 5: seven locks on it and so I can't get out

453
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Speaker 5: that way, and they grabbed me and iron Remember my

454
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 5: sister was crying. She's like, I promise I didn't know.

455
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 5: I didn't know, Like she was so scared that I

456
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,640
Speaker 5: was going to be upset with her. And they took

457
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Speaker 5: me to this rehab and I was there for three months,

458
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Speaker 5: and then after that I went back, or I was

459
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Speaker 5: when they let me out. I was back in the

460
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Speaker 5: order and I started working for Jacob Kingston again.

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Speaker 2: talk about what happened. I haven't actually really heard this part.

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Speaker 5: What was that? So? When I went in there my

487
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 5: cousin was already in there. She had been in there

488
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Speaker 5: for maybe three months before I even went in, and

489
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Speaker 5: it was basically it was this place for kids who

490
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Speaker 5: were like doing drugs.

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Speaker 4: Or is it a secular place.

492
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Speaker 5: It had nothing to do with the group it was.

493
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Speaker 5: It was just this place for underage troubled teas.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, right.

495
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Speaker 4: So it's not affiliated with anything.

496
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Speaker 5: No, really, so what was it called lifeline?

497
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Speaker 2: Okay?

498
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 5: My parents told them I was addicted to alcohol, addicted

499
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 5: to sex, and suicidal, so obviously I was trying to

500
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 5: convince them I wasn't. I didn't have these issues. But

501
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 5: every other kid in there is also trying to convince

502
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 5: some of that and they actually do. So it was hard,

503
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 5: and by that point my cousin was very like she

504
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 5: wanted to leave as well. But by that point she

505
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 5: was like, my dad is the best guy on the planet. Like,

506
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 5: she was very They did a one eighty with her,

507
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 5: and so my parents were like, this could work, like

508
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 5: she could come back, she could be a good or remember,

509
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Speaker 5: I'm just curious.

510
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Speaker 2: How you want to leave and then you go into

511
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Speaker 2: this troubled teen camp or whatever, and then you come

512
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Speaker 2: out wanting to go back to your group. I mean,

513
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 2: obviously that's not your story, but yeah, just seems so strange.

514
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Speaker 1: I mean, were they're like cool kids in there that

515
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: you were like, oh my god, my first real friend

516
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Speaker 1: or like my first real crush or my first.

517
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Speaker 5: Oh no, Actually, you were not allowed to look at

518
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 5: boys in this scene and even look at them now

519
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 5: you like, it was called clicking. If you accidentally made

520
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 5: eye contact, you would.

521
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 2: Have to like say sorry, whoa.

522
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Speaker 5: So the way that they kind of did it is

523
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 5: for the first couple of weeks you don't get to

524
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 5: see anybody, and I wasn't even allowed to talk to

525
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Speaker 5: my cousin in there. You're not allowed to have shoes,

526
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,239
Speaker 5: you can't stand up without somebody having their hand on

527
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Speaker 5: your shoulder. You have to do everything right to move

528
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Speaker 5: up to a spot where you're trusted to walk around

529
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Speaker 5: without someone's hand on your shoulder.

530
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Speaker 2: Is it like, what is the setting? Is it like

531
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Speaker 2: a camp? A hospital? Like what kind of place is this?

532
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Speaker 5: It's just like like there was a main building where

533
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Speaker 5: you would like eat, go to school, have group, and

534
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Speaker 5: then there was another building where we would sleep.

535
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Speaker 2: So you're supervised all the time at first.

536
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, so we just did like a lot of

537
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 5: group and when you finally do get to see your parents,

538
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 5: because you don't get to see a lot of people

539
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 5: you know, just your parents. The first time you get

540
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 5: to talk to them, you have to for seven minutes

541
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Speaker 5: straight just apologize, like I'm sorry I did this, I'm

542
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 5: sorry I did that. You can't say i'm sorry I

543
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 5: did this, but it's because you didn't know. You just

544
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 5: have to apologize for seven minutes. And if you start

545
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 5: talking about anything else, they take you away. And obviously,

546
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 5: like you don't see anyone, you don't get to talk

547
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 5: to anyone you know, so you want to do everything

548
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 5: right because you only get to see your parents for

549
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 5: seven minutes. And that's kind of I think how they

550
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 5: turned it around for her to where she like her

551
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 5: she has her mom is super nice, but she hated

552
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Speaker 5: her dad too, like that was her best friend.

553
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Speaker 4: So her dad became her best friend, or saying after this.

554
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Speaker 2: Yes, well, when they're depriving someone, I mean, I know

555
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 2: you had a different experience, but when they're depriving someone

556
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Speaker 2: of all like social interaction and like connection with people,

557
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 2: and then your parents come in, I guess I can

558
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 2: stop them right exactly right, like oh, relief of temporary relief,

559
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 2: you know.

560
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Speaker 5: And I mean like if you look at the like

561
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 5: the types of things that we were doing, we were

562
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Speaker 5: being bad kids in our minds, so it wasn't hard

563
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Speaker 5: to then be like, oh, I was just being a

564
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Speaker 5: really bad kid and my parents want the best for me.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to like know that difference because sometimes I'm like,

566
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Speaker 1: I was a really bad kid, and I guess I

567
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Speaker 1: put on jeans when I went.

568
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Speaker 4: To school in the bathroom.

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Speaker 1: Dress or I mean I kind of was a bad kid,

570
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Speaker 1: but like also was I I don't know, you know,

571
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Speaker 1: it gets really complicated to know what you actually were.

572
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 4: The rules were so.

573
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: Intense, definitely, and then so you worked your way up,

574
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 2: I guess, and then what was it like?

575
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Speaker 5: So the reason I feel like I had a different

576
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,959
Speaker 5: experience was one because I had a different therapist and

577
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 5: she could kind of see through my parents' lies a

578
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 5: lot more than my cousin's parents. And I think that honestly,

579
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 5: like my parents were worse, so they like thankful for that,

580
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Speaker 5: But yeah, I think that just everything changed when like

581
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Speaker 5: I said, Lynn talked about how like even newborns can obey,

582
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 5: and then I like, I look at my therapist's picture

583
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 5: of her son behind her, and she's like, excuse me, Yeah,

584
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 5: So I think that kind of helped me a lot

585
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Speaker 5: to where she told them she's like, I don't think that, oh,

586
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 5: and because my parents told her, yeah, after this, if

587
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 5: she still decides to leave, we're not going to talk

588
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 5: to her. And she's like, okay, well, I think that

589
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 5: really the only thing Priscilla needs is to better her

590
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 5: relationship with you. But if she's not going to have

591
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 5: it anyway, then I'm going to let her out. And

592
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 5: so they promised to continue a relationship with me if

593
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 5: I stayedd So she said, like, if she gets to

594
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 5: this specific phase, like gets through all of these things,

595
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 5: then you have to grant her emancipation because I had

596
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 5: filed before they put me in there, but they made

597
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 5: sure that I was basically like kidnapped before my court day.

598
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 5: So that was kind of what it was is they

599
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 5: had agreed to that, and she agreed to like help

600
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Speaker 5: my relationship with them.

601
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Speaker 2: So she but their condition was that you would rejoin

602
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Speaker 2: the group.

603
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Speaker 5: That's what That's what they were saying to her, Like,

604
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Speaker 5: if I decide to leave after being let out, they

605
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 5: weren't gonna talk to me, and she's like, well, then

606
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 5: there's no point in her being here because really all

607
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 5: that's wrong is that you guys don't have a good relationship.

608
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Speaker 1: Right, So then they said, okay, we'll talk to her

609
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: even if she leaves, right, and so then okay, so

610
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: then when are you ut?

611
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Speaker 5: I was let out after three months when I got

612
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Speaker 5: to like a specific phase, like and I went and

613
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 5: lived with my grand afterwards, because I still wasn't allowed

614
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Speaker 5: back at my mom's house because I did agree to

615
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 5: like stay in the group until I was eighteen, because

616
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Speaker 5: I'm like, there's no point in getting emancipated. It's a

617
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 5: month away.

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Speaker 2: So oh, it was only a month away, Okay, like

619
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Speaker 2: a month and a half, and then you stayed until

620
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Speaker 2: and then when you're eighteen what happened?

621
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Speaker 5: So I wait, Actually no, it was about three months

622
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Speaker 5: because I left when I had about a month and

623
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Speaker 5: a half. But I was working for Jacob Kingston and

624
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 5: I originally just started. First of all, I told him, like,

625
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Speaker 5: the only way I'm going to work for you is

626
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Speaker 5: if I get an actual check, because I was so

627
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 5: used to never seeing a dollar of my money besides

628
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 5: to spend it within the group, like in their stores.

629
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Speaker 5: So I was like, I need an actual physical check

630
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Speaker 5: because I don't want my money going into there, because

631
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Speaker 5: it had all disappeared while I was in the rehab

632
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 5: and I think that they used it to pay for it,

633
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 5: but I'm not sure.

634
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Speaker 2: Jacob Kingston, can you quickly describe who he was before

635
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: his arrest?

636
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Speaker 5: Yes, so Jacob. Actually, he and my dad used to

637
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 5: like when my mom and dad first got married, Jacob

638
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 5: and his wife lived with my mom and dad and

639
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:22,959
Speaker 5: they were best friends. They worked at together on a

640
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 5: farm in Washa Key, and then Jacob started a plant

641
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 5: down there that turned cooking oil into biofuel like renewable energy.

642
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 5: And it took a really really long time for him

643
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,719
Speaker 5: to build his business to being anything. He had to

644
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 5: travel to a bunch of different countries and basically like

645
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 5: live in horrible conditions to finally be successful. And his

646
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 5: success only lasted like what three years?

647
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Speaker 3: That sucks.

648
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Speaker 4: What happened I don't know about Jacob Kingston.

649
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Speaker 5: So he started his renewable energy company. It was called

650
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Speaker 5: Washiki Renewable Energy, and he originally was I believe playing

651
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 5: by the rules. And so the way that renewable energy

652
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 5: works is the government will give you tax credits for

653
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 5: how much renewable energy you create, because they want to

654
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 5: move to a more sustainable way of living, I guess,

655
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Speaker 5: And so he would just claim like what he made.

656
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,719
Speaker 5: And I believe when he met his business partner, his

657
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Speaker 5: name was Levon. I don't know his last name, but

658
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Speaker 5: he changed his name to lev Derman after he met Levon,

659
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 5: he was convinced to basically, little by little, start to

660
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 5: claim more than he made and basically defraud the government.

661
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 5: And Levon told him that he like basically had this

662
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 5: umbrella of protection. He knew people in the FBI, whatever

663
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 5: it was that would keep them safe basically. So once

664
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 5: Jacob started doing that, then Levin started saying like, well,

665
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,959
Speaker 5: if you don't do more, now, my guys are going

666
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 5: to turn you in. Right, So he kind of got

667
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 5: like suckered into this partnership where even Levon was getting

668
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 5: seventy five percent of the take home and Jacob was

669
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 5: getting twenty five percent off of his own.

670
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: Business getting scammed by right scam right.

671
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 5: It's crazy, right, And obviously, like when I first started

672
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 5: working with him, I didn't know, but then he and

673
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 5: I told him I was still punning on leaving and

674
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 5: he would do this thing where he would try to

675
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 5: brag to me about what he had and what I

676
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 5: could have if I stayed. And so he showed me

677
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 5: his books, and he showed me exactly how he was

678
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 5: getting away with this. He showed yes, he showed me

679
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 5: his books. He's like, look, these are the numbers, but

680
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 5: these are the actual numbers. Wow to a little seventeen year.

681
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 3: Old hilarious, so cool, right, And I'm like, like back then,

682
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: I was just like okay, Like I don't know what's

683
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 3: going on, right, So then he tells me that he

684
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 3: has the Attorney General in his pocket and he had

685
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 3: like knows this person, and he like just everything anyone

686
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: would need to ruin his whole life, right, And I

687
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 3: didn't think anything of it at the time, but he

688
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 3: started I was doing some of his taxes, but I

689
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 3: was only do I was only filing the ones because

690
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 3: it was a bunch of state taxes.

691
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 5: So I would file the ones that were zero and

692
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 5: then the other ones were left to people that were

693
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 5: obviously more trusted and like further in his family tream.

694
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 5: And then he started saying he wanted to make me

695
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 5: head of marketing and do this and do that and

696
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 5: he wanted me to get my passport so that I

697
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 5: could go on all of his business trips. And he

698
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 5: paid for me to enroll in school for ca mitology

699
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 5: because I said I wanted to do that, and promised

700
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 5: to buy me a salon, and they wanted me to

701
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 5: move into their house like. I stayed in their guest

702
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 5: house for one night, and then Jacob's wife kicked her

703
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 5: own daughter out of her room and was like, here,

704
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 5: you can live in here. I'm like, I'm good. I

705
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 5: don't want it.

706
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: Why everyone's harassing you?

707
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: Right?

708
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 5: And then they wanted to get me a car, and

709
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 5: it was just so many things that from the outside

710
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 5: looked so good, but I'm like, there's the catch is

711
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 5: worse than the like, it's not gonna be worth it.

712
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,479
Speaker 1: Year olds would not. I mean, I want to see

713
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: you for being like.

714
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,479
Speaker 2: I feel like I would have known, but like done

715
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: it anyway, it would have seen worth it, and I'd

716
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: be like, I can withstand whatever it is, and then

717
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 2: totally not been able to.

718
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 5: I was I was going to, honestly, like when when

719
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 5: all of this was happening, I'm like, dang, maybe I

720
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 5: should stay for a bit. But I had already I

721
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 5: guess scheduled everything with Escaping Polygamy, and I did at the.

722
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 4: Time to show on Lifetime. Yes, yes, yes.

723
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 5: I told him like, hey, I have to like reschedule,

724
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 5: and they're like, no, no, no.

725
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 2: No, I'm defrauding the government. I'm busy.

726
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 4: I'm busy, but I've got plans, right.

727
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm going to go to Turkey and have

728
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 5: a really good time because he was. He was doing

729
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 5: all of these things too, like courtside at basketball games

730
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 5: and whatever else, you know, living it up right, right,

731
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 5: So I'm like, maybe I could stay for a little bit.

732
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 5: But I did end up leaving, and I was approached

733
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 5: by an FBI agent because I had told the girl

734
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 5: that use my story, right. I had told her everything

735
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 5: about it, because every time you leave, you know, you

736
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 5: kind of tell your story to the other people who

737
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 5: have already left, and they're like, oh my gosh. Like

738
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 5: she's like, I had no idea that Jacob's business was

739
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 5: so successful. That's crazy. So her husband basically reached out

740
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 5: to the FBI because they were already trying to kind

741
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 5: of use the information that she knew to get the

742
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 5: order taken down through the order banks. But nothing really

743
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 5: came of that because obviously, like what are they going

744
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 5: to do, Like nothing's happening to the government. Things are

745
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 5: happening to these people, and these people don't care, you know,

746
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 5: like what are they going to do?

747
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 2: Forward?

748
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 5: Right? Yeah, And so I was approached and he just

749
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 5: asked me information. And my name was on some of

750
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 5: these tax forms, so he's like, let me know, like

751
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 5: we know that you're a part of it, Like is

752
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 5: there anything you could tell us? At my seventeen years,

753
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 5: I was like, Jacob's not a good guy, so I

754
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 5: don't feel bad, and I just told them whatever they asked.

755
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 5: In about a month later, I want to say, Jacob

756
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 5: showed up with his wife and my sister, who actually

757
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 5: ended up marrying him, but at this time she was

758
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 5: not married to him, and they said that they wanted

759
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 5: to see me, and because my sister was with him,

760
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 5: I met up with him. And at first he was

761
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 5: very like taking us to nice dinners and getting caviat

762
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 5: and taking us to shows, and when we passed by

763
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 5: designer stores, he would ask me if I wanted a bag,

764
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 5: like I'm good, no, thank you. And when he realized

765
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 5: I wasn't just going to offer up information because he

766
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 5: was being really nice. He started to threaten me, and

767
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 5: he was like, he asked me if I knew anything,

768
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 5: like if anything was gonna happen, if anyone was coming

769
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 5: for him, And I'm like no, because I was told

770
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 5: I couldn't tell anybody, let alone him, right, so or

771
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 5: I would be an accessory or whatever it was. So

772
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 5: I just told him I didn't know anything, and he

773
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 5: started saying like, well, You're gonna go to prison if

774
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 5: you don't tell me, And like I believed this as

775
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 5: a seventeen year old, but now I'm like, for what,

776
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 5: Why would I go to prison?

777
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: Yeah?

778
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 5: But yeah, So he got raided a while later, and

779
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 5: it took quite a while for them to build a

780
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 5: case against him, because I don't think he got actually

781
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 5: arrested until a year or two after that. But I

782
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 5: wasn't there for this part. But I was told by

783
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 5: my younger sister who married his son. So my older

784
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 5: sister married him, my younger sister married his son. Yeah,

785
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 5: so they were all headed to Turkey, which, by the way,

786
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 5: he had also told me, if anything ever happens, then

787
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 5: he can just go to Turkey because he has a

788
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 5: lot of money stashed away. He has a compound. He

789
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 5: can live like a king over there and he cannot

790
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 5: be extradited from Turkey. So I told them that information

791
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 5: as well. And did you fear for your wife?

792
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 4: Yeah?

793
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 5: But I mean, like, what are they gonna do to me?

794
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 5: I mean.

795
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 2: You're like yeah, yeah.

796
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 5: So anyway, he was trying to head out of the

797
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 5: country to Turkey at the time of his arrest, and

798
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 5: a younger sister was there and she said normally he

799
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 5: would have his son, Jacob Junior go first, so that

800
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 5: if they stopped him for the name, then they would

801
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 5: pull him aside, and meanwhile he could board the plane.

802
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 5: So they were going like his son asked him, do

803
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 5: you want me to do that this time? And he's like, no,

804
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 5: I think it's going to be okay. And that was

805
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 5: the time they were there to arrest him.

806
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: So wow. So he pled guilty to crimes relating to

807
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: his one billion dollar biofuel fraud.

808
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 5: Yeah.

809
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: Well, I love that the government just as soon as

810
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: it's about money, they're.

811
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: The right and right right.

812
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 5: But everything else about the Kingston's who.

813
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 4: Cares what billion dollars? What in the action dollars?

814
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: I saw this other article that said ten former Kingston

815
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: members alleged abuse and exploitation in a lawsuit against the order.

816
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 5: Yes, that's a new lawsuit. Actually, yeah, that's going on.

817
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 5: I don't think I'm really allowed.

818
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: To talk to about it, but it's happening.

819
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, I read online. Yeah it's pretty crazy. And they're

820
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 5: also doing the like for the child labor. They're adding

821
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 5: that in there, so as they should.

822
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you deserve a couple million for the child labor.

823
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: To be honest, I know, can we go to the

824
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: like how you got out and how it felt?

825
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, it happened you finally, so after like because like

826
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 5: I said, escaping polygamy did help me, but my cousin

827
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 5: knew Lola's mom and she just let me know, like,

828
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 5: I have this amazing family in Vegas that's willing to

829
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 5: take you in. So before I left, I actually talked

830
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 5: on the phone with your mom. I was like, this

831
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 5: sounds like the nicest lady I've ever Yes, she taught

832
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 5: to in my life.

833
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 4: She is writing we love you.

834
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 5: And actually, because when I did say that I wanted

835
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 5: to reschedule, I talked to your mom and I was like,

836
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 5: I want to live with her. And that's why I

837
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 5: like still went through with it, which I'm really glad,

838
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 5: but yeah, she was. She was really sweet and actually

839
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 5: she's the one. Her and your stepdad. Her in Tolka

840
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 5: helped me get out of my comfort zone a lot

841
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 5: because I was very like like if you watch Escaping Me,

842
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 5: which don't because it's so embarrassing, but they helped me

843
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 5: like get out of that, Like yes, yeah.

844
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: So what was that more of those first few weeks, Like,

845
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I remember my mom was telling me that

846
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: you were gonna live with her because I was here

847
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 2: in La and she was the biggest one eight years

848
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: and I was like, what's happening?

849
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 5: Who? What?

850
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 4: I was just confused.

851
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just didn't understand. But my whole life,

852
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 2: my mom has always had people that she's taken in

853
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: like living with her, like since I was a child.

854
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: So I was like, Okay, a new a new person

855
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: is coming to live with you who you are helping.

856
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: But obviously you are totally unique in a totally unique

857
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 2: situation because no one, she hadn't yet been doing the

858
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,959
Speaker 2: work that she does now, like helping people from high

859
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: control groups. But what were those first weeks, Like, I mean,

860
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 2: it must have been so crazy because like they were

861
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: doing photo shoots all the time, like it's a super

862
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: like creative Kooki lifestyle. It must have been like culture shock.

863
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 5: Was it?

864
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 2: Tell me?

865
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 5: It was definitely yeah, like I had because they even

866
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 5: did one with me and I was so camera shy

867
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 5: at the time. I still kind of am. But it

868
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 5: was so out of my comfort zone because I always

869
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 5: grew up like hiding my face from the camera. I

870
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 5: always felt not good enough and not pretty. And it

871
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 5: really helped me, like get.

872
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 4: Out of that princess.

873
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, this is crazy because you're standing yeah,

874
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 2: you're yeah yeah, and and did any part of you,

875
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: like how did you feel about your family at the time?

876
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 5: So they obviously all sent me mean messages like we're

877
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 5: never talking to you again, like you're not you're not

878
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 5: my sister, you're not my daughter, whatever, and they said

879
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 5: to me, and that was hard at first, but then

880
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 5: I was like, you guys were never nice to me anyway,

881
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 5: so like, what really am I losing? You know? And

882
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 5: it was honestly, it was amazing, but it was also

883
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 5: so sad to me that these people that I just

884
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 5: met treated me better than people I had known my

885
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 5: entire life, and that really made me because when you're

886
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 5: thinking about leaving, then everyone says like, oh, everyone on

887
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 5: the outside are bad, like the right the world and

888
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 5: everyone's like such a bad person and they don't deserve

889
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 5: to go to heaven and you're just gonna be on

890
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 5: drugs and in the gutter if you leave. And my

891
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 5: experience was the exact opposite. So I'm like, okay, like,

892
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 5: you guys use this fear, but you're actually so much

893
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 5: worse than the world, Like, yeah, it's crazy to me. Yeah,

894
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 5: that is all.

895
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: It's so funny how that works. Like I feel like

896
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: everyone we talked to is like yep, And I thought

897
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: people on the outside were these like evil, horrible, abusive people.

898
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: It turns out I was actually just being abused all

899
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: the time, right, the people I was actually with, Yeah, exactly.

900
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: And I mean there is also the cases where people

901
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: step out and they meet terrible people think that it

902
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: was truly you know.

903
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 2: So so yeah, I mean, and cult hopping, as we've diccessed,

904
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 2: is definitely a thing as well.

905
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 4: So what about now, what's your life like? Now?

906
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 5: No, I'm just kidding. I like a homebody, so I

907
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 5: just work and hang out at home mainly. What do

908
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 5: you do what do I do for work? Oh, I'm like.

909
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: What do you do?

910
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 5: So?

911
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: Like, like, what time do you wake up when you

912
00:45:59,360 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: get a bad Now?

913
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:00,959
Speaker 4: What do you do for work?

914
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 5: So? I recently started microblading, but then I also work

915
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 5: at a nightclub. Nice.

916
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 2: Is the money good?

917
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: Yeah?

918
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, one you if you don't mind saying no.

919
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's called the library. It's where Cheetahs used to be.

920
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 5: Oh cool?

921
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 2: Nice?

922
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: Can I just quickly say that I got my eyebrows

923
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: micro bladed off of groupon.

924
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 4: My eyebrows were bleeding very badly.

925
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: I still look insane, and when I went to grab

926
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 1: a smoothie afterwards, I had blood dripping into my eyes

927
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: and I saw the person that I have been avoiding

928
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 1: for the past seven years.

929
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I've never done it, and I'm scared.

930
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: Well, don't go on groupon I would suggest.

931
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 4: But I'm still well group on, I love you.

932
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 2: Oh I've gotten fillers from group on. I'm not going

933
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 2: to pretend I have it, but I won't do it again.

934
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 4: But you're happy.

935
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm very happy.

936
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 2: She did make up on a shoot that I did.

937
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: It's amazing.

938
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: Everyone looked amazing, I mean, and so yeah, I mean,

939
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: are you going to be a makeup artist because you

940
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: love me.

941
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know. I'm just like, I'm still sry,

942
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 5: so you have to talk to people for that, you know.

943
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: Not that much. I don't know. I feel like sometimes

944
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: when I'm in the makeup chair, I just want to

945
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 2: look at It's kind of nice when no one is

946
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 2: seeing me.

947
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 4: We'll get you. I mean, if that's your dream, well

948
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 4: we'll help you up.

949
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 5: You push me. Is that your dream? I don't know.

950
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 5: I honestly do really want to do because I used

951
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 5: to do YouTube videos a lot a few years ago,

952
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 5: and I kind of stopped because I had people in

953
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 5: my life that were like, oh, that's.

954
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 4: So embarrassing YouTube videos of makeup or what.

955
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 5: Yeah?

956
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, you should absolutely, And but you're

957
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 2: doing it again, aren't you.

958
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 5: I do want like every six months and I'll be like,

959
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:56,479
Speaker 5: I'll be back next week.

960
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: Well you might need to do it a little more

961
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 2: than that, right wow. But I feel like that is

962
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, your skill, your face, your story. I mean,

963
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: you're meant for the internet.

964
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 4: Yeah wow, you are truly an inspiration.

965
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: I am so excited for your future and same yeah

966
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: sharing that yeah, is there?

967
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 2: Do you want to share your social media.

968
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 5: I mean my YouTube is just Priscilla Tucker and then

969
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 5: I have like TikTok and Instagram also has Priscilla Tucker. Yeah.

970
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 2: Cool.

971
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 5: The handles kind of hard. It's like p r one

972
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 5: sc one llll always sc one ll for tolbot, always

973
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 5: like no one's going to find you from that.

974
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 4: You're like precisely my family, right.

975
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: Cool, Well, thank you so much for joining Uyes today. Okay,

976
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: that concludes our interview with Priscilla Megan.

977
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay.

978
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: Let's see, so we know you wouldn't join the Kingston's,

979
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 2: would you, I kiss? How would you react if your

980
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 2: boss came to you and was like, hey, look at

981
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: oh I cooked the books and then was like but

982
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 2: flying you everywhere and you know, should have spent a

983
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 2: lot of money.

984
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 4: We're not recording this, right, just kidding. Okay.

985
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: So if I was her age, and if you were

986
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: telling me, I have a partner who's like making this okay,

987
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: this is okay, And I was already raised in a

988
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: super high control group who was having absolutely zero fun

989
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: besides being engaged to my cousin every other week and

990
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: was like getting to go on vacation, I would probably

991
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: cognitively like make it.

992
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: Okay, I think it would be. I think she like

993
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 2: is amazing for doing what she did, and yes, yeah,

994
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: I think. I mean obviously, like if the FBI approached

995
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 2: me like then I would give them the completely but

996
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 2: like to a point, yes, but I also think if

997
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 2: I were that age, it would be very hard to

998
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 2: not be like, wow, adventure.

999
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. I I worked for a billionaire, crazy person when

1000
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: I was around that age, and he would like fly

1001
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: as blackout, drunk around in his helicopter. You did, Yeah,

1002
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the whole story. It really needs to

1003
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: be a book. But it's like, I don't know. I

1004
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: just was like, well, I guess I was so conditioned

1005
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: to just trust what a powerful dude was.

1006
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 4: Selling to Dally.

1007
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 2: We all were. Yeah, absolutely. I mean the number of

1008
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 2: like men I interacted with from ages like seventeen to

1009
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 2: twenty two who had some kind of status in the community,

1010
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 2: And I look back on now and I'm like, what.

1011
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: Well, this man in particular has killed two women.

1012
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: I'm sorry you served no time? What what? Yeah, you

1013
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 2: cannot just drop this at the end of an episode.

1014
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 2: I'll tell you, I'll tell you all about it.

1015
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: Maybe it's its own episode. I don't want to get sued,

1016
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: but lots to explore. Oh my god, so I get it,

1017
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: but also definitely wants the FBI is involved them. I

1018
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: could be a really big mark. I think it'd be like, nope,

1019
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: he's wrong, let's go, you know, so.

1020
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 2: I can be I can go both ways. Yeah, hell yeah,

1021
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 2: that's right. Okay, yeah same, All right, Well we did it.

1022
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: Oh yay, okay, Well, thank you guys so much for

1023
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: joining us for another week. I don't know if you

1024
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: guys can hear my cat just digging in the litter

1025
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: box behind me, but let's pretend it's not there.

1026
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 4: We can't wait to see you again next week.

1027
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: As always, remember to follow your got, watch out for

1028
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: red flags, and never ever trust me.

1029
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 2: My trust Me is produced by Kirsten Woodward, Gabby Rapp,

1030
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 2: and Steve Delemator.

1031
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 4: With special thanks to Stacy Para.

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Speaker 2: And her theme song was composed by Holly amber Church.

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Speaker 1: You can find us on Instagram at trust Me Podcast,

1034
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 1: Twitter at trust Me Cult Pod, or on TikTok at

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00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: trust Me Cult Podcast.

1036
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,680
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1037
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Speaker 1: hits on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: Remember to rate and review and spread the word

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