1
00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:13,000
Speaker 1: Hey, what up? Welcome ed. This is all ball, all ball,

2
00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:13,640
Speaker 1: all the time.

3
00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:14,239
Speaker 2: Uh.

4
00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:15,760
Speaker 1: My guests today.

5
00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,960
Speaker 3: My guests today are Dan Panneman, who's a prominent agent

6
00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:25,400
Speaker 3: in college basketball. He's huge in the NIL space, right

7
00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:30,080
Speaker 3: and he's hired so many people under him that are really, really,

8
00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:35,159
Speaker 3: really talented. Uh he Brandon Goebel. They're gonna join me

9
00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,519
Speaker 3: here on the pod in a second, but before I

10
00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:43,520
Speaker 3: get to that, before I get to h And also

11
00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,559
Speaker 3: I think George Hemingson is going to join us as well.

12
00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:51,400
Speaker 3: So Dan Poneman, who's the CEO of The Weave, George Hemingson,

13
00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,160
Speaker 3: who's a former D three coach one of his agents

14
00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,320
Speaker 3: with the Weave, and Brandon Goebel, who juco advocate. Everybody

15
00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,320
Speaker 3: knows Gooble in the college basketball space. They can enjoy

16
00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,440
Speaker 3: me in a second. So I'm headed into year two

17
00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,440
Speaker 3: and I want to talk about my team and get

18
00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,959
Speaker 3: introduced to my team, induced to my coaches, and I'm

19
00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,040
Speaker 3: gonna take you through the process on how we built

20
00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,440
Speaker 3: a college basketball team. I just thought that would be interesting. Yeah,

21
00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,120
Speaker 3: we're still gonna have our interesting conversations whatever, but I

22
00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,080
Speaker 3: want to take you to the process. So obviously, last

23
00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:26,280
Speaker 3: year was was super disappointing. I thought we could, if

24
00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,520
Speaker 3: we could have gotten everybody healthy, had it all together.

25
00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:33,240
Speaker 3: Were minimum of Midpac team in the Horizon League. Schedule

26
00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,399
Speaker 3: was too hard and you know, you lose Anthony Roy

27
00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,200
Speaker 3: for the year with a broken ankle ten games in,

28
00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,119
Speaker 3: and this is kind of what happened.

29
00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:41,360
Speaker 1: We weren't able to add.

30
00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,280
Speaker 3: We pulled off the first of its kind mid season acquisition,

31
00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,200
Speaker 3: getting Yonatan Levy in, but he wasn't in shape, he

32
00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,600
Speaker 3: wasn't healthy, and he never got in shape, never got

33
00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:57,120
Speaker 3: healthy because he pulled a hip flexure, he got a concussion,

34
00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,480
Speaker 3: he had the flu, he had strap, you name it.

35
00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,200
Speaker 3: It happened to Yonatan Levy. But with that we learned.

36
00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,680
Speaker 3: We learned a ton, and we haven't been able to

37
00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,960
Speaker 3: fix the schedule to our liking. But we had to

38
00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,080
Speaker 3: fix the personnel, and we have made some staff changes.

39
00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:15,679
Speaker 1: So let me get to the personnel.

40
00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,919
Speaker 3: What you'll hear in this interview is, though I'm close

41
00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,440
Speaker 3: with Dan Pottterman and everybody to weave. Though I know

42
00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:28,520
Speaker 3: all these agents worldwide and nationally, we only have two

43
00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,600
Speaker 3: players of our ten new ones, of our sixteen players,

44
00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:38,760
Speaker 3: two have agents. Only two and those two who have

45
00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,400
Speaker 3: agents are both foreign players, so you kind of need

46
00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,680
Speaker 3: them in terms of amateurism and making sure everything gets

47
00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:49,320
Speaker 3: done smoothly. So there's a there's a world where we're

48
00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,720
Speaker 3: gonna I'm gonna show you babies, basically both worlds in

49
00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,960
Speaker 3: this podcast, the world of having an agent and having

50
00:02:55,200 --> 00:03:00,480
Speaker 3: Dan's the biggest ANIL agent in the country, not just

51
00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,440
Speaker 3: in terms of numbers, but in prominence for our level.

52
00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:04,919
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got so many guys.

53
00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,520
Speaker 3: Many of the guys are above our level as well,

54
00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,560
Speaker 3: but the point is that he's prominent, and you're going

55
00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,519
Speaker 3: to hear his perspective. I would share some of that perspective.

56
00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,920
Speaker 3: It's a great discussion, but I would also share with

57
00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,600
Speaker 3: you that we don't have agents. Now it's not that

58
00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,680
Speaker 3: every guy that has an agent is entitled, but there

59
00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,720
Speaker 3: are some. It's not that every guy who has an

60
00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,120
Speaker 3: agent tax on twenty percent because that's what they're paying

61
00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:32,000
Speaker 3: the agent, But that's some whatever the logic behind it,

62
00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,680
Speaker 3: and some of it we did seek. We don't really

63
00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:40,160
Speaker 3: have players with agents. On the other hand, it's still

64
00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,320
Speaker 3: I still have a great relationship with Dan because I

65
00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,200
Speaker 3: haven't had any of his players, but I would have

66
00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,480
Speaker 3: a good relationship with Dan if I did, because the

67
00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,680
Speaker 3: one thing we try and do is every penny that

68
00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,560
Speaker 3: we say you're going to get, we make sure that

69
00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:57,720
Speaker 3: you get. It's a there's different, unique ways of doing business.

70
00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,600
Speaker 3: I'm going to teach you how we do it here

71
00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,040
Speaker 3: and you can watch our team and see if it works.

72
00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,400
Speaker 3: In the meantime, let's get to a discussion. Here's Dan Paraman,

73
00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:12,480
Speaker 3: George Hevingson, and Brandon Goebel and myself as we get

74
00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,600
Speaker 3: to our first part of a two part discussion in

75
00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,920
Speaker 3: All Ball. All right, guys, let's uh, let's let's dive

76
00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:24,080
Speaker 3: on in. George, you're you're new to the show and

77
00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:24,919
Speaker 3: you're kind of new to this.

78
00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,320
Speaker 4: Brandon you're not. DP you're not as as well.

79
00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,080
Speaker 3: But let's just start with before we get to all

80
00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,360
Speaker 3: the stuff that you guys are doing. Okay, DP, how

81
00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,039
Speaker 3: many athletes? How many basketball players did you have this

82
00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:40,920
Speaker 3: year with we've.

83
00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,320
Speaker 5: Well, first off, I'll say you said, I'm not new

84
00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,440
Speaker 5: to the show. I like to consider myself a regular

85
00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,120
Speaker 5: at this point. This is I'm I'm a part of

86
00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,000
Speaker 5: the show. I love this show. I'm excited, excited to

87
00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,800
Speaker 5: be here and so excited to have my buddies with

88
00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,359
Speaker 5: me this time. How many players do we have on

89
00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:59,240
Speaker 5: the portal this year, you know, as anybody a politician

90
00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,520
Speaker 5: would do. I'll give you a non answer to that answer.

91
00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:06,160
Speaker 5: You know, there's a difference between clients and guys were helping, right,

92
00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,960
Speaker 5: which we'll discuss today about our undiscovered camps these things.

93
00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,440
Speaker 5: There's clients people are signed to the company who were

94
00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,400
Speaker 5: helping them get paid a lot of money. And then

95
00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,240
Speaker 5: there's a ton of players that we just help, who

96
00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:16,920
Speaker 5: we don't sign, who aren't clients. We're just trying to

97
00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,880
Speaker 5: get their foot in the door, get them into college basketball,

98
00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:19,240
Speaker 5: help them.

99
00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:20,520
Speaker 6: Get a juke ablem, get the D two.

100
00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:25,479
Speaker 5: Our company or our greater you know group, our conglomerate

101
00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,880
Speaker 5: probably placed two hundred and fifty three hundred guys this year,

102
00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,360
Speaker 5: but I would say, you know, less than half of

103
00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:33,600
Speaker 5: them are clients.

104
00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,599
Speaker 4: But okay, so how does that compare to last year?

105
00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,920
Speaker 5: I would they probably double, probably probably doubled, and we

106
00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:44,880
Speaker 5: did double the amount of dollars we did in the

107
00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,120
Speaker 5: portal as well. And you know a huge part of

108
00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:49,960
Speaker 5: that was last year, last time you had me on,

109
00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:51,960
Speaker 5: I was kind of somewhat of a lone ranger. I had,

110
00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,120
Speaker 5: you know, a few support staff, but this year I

111
00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,720
Speaker 5: built the team with some really incredible people like George here,

112
00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,760
Speaker 5: and having a really good member of our team who

113
00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,799
Speaker 5: are used to handling recruitments, used to guiding players careers,

114
00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,400
Speaker 5: gave us a capacity to take on you know, more,

115
00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:07,640
Speaker 5: more more clients.

116
00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,480
Speaker 3: Brandon, what would you say was the difference in this

117
00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,520
Speaker 3: year's basketball portal to last year's basketball portal?

118
00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,000
Speaker 7: I mean, it's it's definitely one of those situations where

119
00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:28,560
Speaker 7: like everybody before was kind of wondering, what is this,

120
00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:30,680
Speaker 7: what's it going to lead to? What's it mean for

121
00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:36,200
Speaker 7: me as a player? Uh, financially in every sense of

122
00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,560
Speaker 7: the term, right, And then this year it was like, well,

123
00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,480
Speaker 7: everybody's heard about it, everybody knows about it, everybody's.

124
00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:41,760
Speaker 2: Talking about it.

125
00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,000
Speaker 7: That's got positives and negatives to it, right with players

126
00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:45,480
Speaker 7: and stuff.

127
00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,680
Speaker 2: But you know, the portal just.

128
00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,479
Speaker 7: Really kind of became this, this truly free market that

129
00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:57,039
Speaker 7: now exists, and it just it exploded.

130
00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,000
Speaker 4: There was this there was a time and joy.

131
00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,160
Speaker 3: Maybe you can speak to this and all you guys can,

132
00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:06,560
Speaker 3: but the this was a unique year because the settlement

133
00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:12,920
Speaker 3: hadn't been agreed to when the portal opened, but there

134
00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,920
Speaker 3: was like the definitive timeline of hey, you got to

135
00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,960
Speaker 3: get things done by June, and so there was sort

136
00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,440
Speaker 3: of a couple of that was like the first sort

137
00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:23,400
Speaker 3: of gold rush.

138
00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:24,559
Speaker 4: Is that is that fair, George?

139
00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,120
Speaker 3: That that was like the first gold rush was early portal,

140
00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,920
Speaker 3: trying to get these high level transfers in before the

141
00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:33,600
Speaker 3: settlement took effect.

142
00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:35,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly.

143
00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,760
Speaker 8: That was that was the main goal that even you know,

144
00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,160
Speaker 8: to Daniel and Brandon's credit, that was something we were

145
00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,840
Speaker 8: looking at early before the portal even opened, where we're

146
00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,600
Speaker 8: always trying to get ahead, and so we vote really

147
00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,440
Speaker 8: took a heavy focus on that to get our guys,

148
00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,160
Speaker 8: you know, all settled before once that portaled opened, boom.

149
00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:53,920
Speaker 6: They were signed, delivered.

150
00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,000
Speaker 8: You know, we had our team looking through the agreements,

151
00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,440
Speaker 8: but that was a main priority, you know, right after

152
00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,520
Speaker 8: Christmas that Daniel and you know brought to the table

153
00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,720
Speaker 8: and that was our main focus that DP said, hey,

154
00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,720
Speaker 8: we're going to get these guys done before this we

155
00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:06,880
Speaker 8: know what's coming down the road.

156
00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:07,720
Speaker 6: Yeah.

157
00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,600
Speaker 5: And to George's point, like and to Georgia and Brettan's point,

158
00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,080
Speaker 5: like with each year of the portal and anil or rupture,

159
00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:15,760
Speaker 5: whatever you want to call it. You know, there's a

160
00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,880
Speaker 5: learning curve and people can know what last year's rules

161
00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:21,520
Speaker 5: were and how last year worked, but if you apply

162
00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,040
Speaker 5: it last year's strategies, so this year's it's not going

163
00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,720
Speaker 5: to work because every year it's been such drastic changes. Right,

164
00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,440
Speaker 5: So going into the portal this year, we knew how

165
00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,640
Speaker 5: settlement's coming. What are all of the different implications of that,

166
00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:35,600
Speaker 5: you know, what are the different deadlines and how are

167
00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,360
Speaker 5: schools going to react to this uncertainty? And we had

168
00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,640
Speaker 5: a bunch of group meetings preparing for that ahead of time.

169
00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,280
Speaker 5: There was the June first deadline where a lot of

170
00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,160
Speaker 5: schools tried to frontload deals because once that how settlement

171
00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,640
Speaker 5: passed if it had been June first, as you hear,

172
00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,520
Speaker 5: I think before that it was like April seventh, and

173
00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:52,839
Speaker 5: then it was this and ended up being, you know,

174
00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:53,720
Speaker 5: June first.

175
00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,120
Speaker 6: Schools were trying to strategize to get.

176
00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,040
Speaker 5: Money out before the repshare started, right, and then now

177
00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,120
Speaker 5: with this salary cap, right, I even calls every single

178
00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:04,720
Speaker 5: day from coaches, what does this mean? Are they going

179
00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,520
Speaker 5: to stick to the cap? How does this affect us,

180
00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,800
Speaker 5: you know, conference to conference. If we're at a football school,

181
00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,800
Speaker 5: how do we compete against schools without football who can

182
00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,200
Speaker 5: spend more? So now our job going into next year's portal,

183
00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,000
Speaker 5: and even right now as we're dealing with JUCO kids

184
00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,640
Speaker 5: in high school players, it's understanding how the rules affect

185
00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,480
Speaker 5: the marketplace and understanding how schools are going to react

186
00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,400
Speaker 5: to those rules and keeping our clients and our strategies

187
00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:26,080
Speaker 5: informed by them.

188
00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,080
Speaker 3: P Do you guys, do you guys have anybody Because

189
00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,880
Speaker 3: I know one player who honestly, right now where he

190
00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:38,760
Speaker 3: is I would have taken okay, but he was asking

191
00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,800
Speaker 3: for too much money for too long, and he's still

192
00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,040
Speaker 3: without his school and we're we're in the in the

193
00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,720
Speaker 3: mid September. Do you guys have anyone like that?

194
00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,080
Speaker 6: Not not at our clients, we know about guys like that.

195
00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,400
Speaker 3: It's it's crazy though, right like, this is a good

196
00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:56,400
Speaker 3: basketball player.

197
00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,320
Speaker 4: He's good, Doug.

198
00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,800
Speaker 7: I think the bigger where we see that for sure

199
00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,600
Speaker 7: in this space is there are a lot of agents.

200
00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,640
Speaker 7: There are a lot of advisors and things that don't

201
00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,720
Speaker 7: know what they're doing, that are new to the space

202
00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,400
Speaker 7: in general, right like new to college basketball, new to

203
00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,840
Speaker 7: helping kids, let alone new to the agent side of things, right,

204
00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,000
Speaker 7: and then that same thing with the overseas players. A

205
00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,040
Speaker 7: lot of the European agents that don't understand the college space,

206
00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,560
Speaker 7: the timing, the reality of the markets, things like that.

207
00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,920
Speaker 7: So we definitely do see some players that are still

208
00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,320
Speaker 7: floating around out there. And the kids got their hands

209
00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,320
Speaker 7: up going like, I don't understand what just happened. They said, well,

210
00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,360
Speaker 7: you listen, you listen to the wrong guy for the

211
00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,520
Speaker 7: last six months and now school started.

212
00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:38,760
Speaker 6: Man.

213
00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:43,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, to Brandon's point, like, it hasn't happened with our guys.

214
00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,679
Speaker 5: But we've two examples of situations. I've seen that there

215
00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,280
Speaker 5: is a player at one point we were talking two

216
00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:50,960
Speaker 5: potentially going to sign, and he said, well, this other

217
00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,320
Speaker 5: agent told me he's going to get me a million

218
00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,160
Speaker 5: dollars and I basically said, well, if you're worth of

219
00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,200
Speaker 5: a million, will certainly get you that, but I can't

220
00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,480
Speaker 5: promise that with the agent who has promised him a million. Well,

221
00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,040
Speaker 5: now that agents go into all these schools saying we

222
00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,920
Speaker 5: want a million dollars without having context of the market

223
00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,960
Speaker 5: or their budgets or you know, comparable players in that category,

224
00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,760
Speaker 5: and the player went months without getting a deal and

225
00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,120
Speaker 5: presumably got a lot less because that agent was trying

226
00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,880
Speaker 5: to fulfill empty promise and priced him out of the market.

227
00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,520
Speaker 6: Right, So that's not practice. But I think what we have.

228
00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,120
Speaker 5: Seen on the European end is there are sometimes high

229
00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,080
Speaker 5: floors for European guys because they have buyouts with their

230
00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,720
Speaker 5: European clubs. Sure, so if the guys buyouts two hundred thousand,

231
00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,600
Speaker 5: well you need at least two hundred and one for

232
00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,559
Speaker 5: it to make sense. But if he's one hundred and

233
00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,079
Speaker 5: fifty thousand dollars player, he's going to be sitting in

234
00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,120
Speaker 5: that market for a long time. Yeah, And just to

235
00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,240
Speaker 5: piggyback off that, I think even with Brandon and what

236
00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:43,719
Speaker 5: Jamie was saying is like, I think that's one of

237
00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:48,240
Speaker 5: our main focuses going into this year's educating our European clients,

238
00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,600
Speaker 5: educating everybody that would like that we are going to

239
00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,040
Speaker 5: represent about the value you know, why this is where

240
00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:56,720
Speaker 5: we're going to see you, rather than getting a number

241
00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,199
Speaker 5: stuck in your head or being told that and then

242
00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,719
Speaker 5: we're fighting being that person because they think that's their

243
00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,400
Speaker 5: value when they haven't been educated on this process. So

244
00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,160
Speaker 5: I think that's a really key component that Daniel Brenda

245
00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:09,920
Speaker 5: have done a good job for many years. But one

246
00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,840
Speaker 5: of our main focuses, especially with International, is educating everybody

247
00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,480
Speaker 5: on this process where they land and where the fit

248
00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:17,480
Speaker 5: value is for them.

249
00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,760
Speaker 3: There's there's a bunch of interesting aspects I want to

250
00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,880
Speaker 3: get to you guys with. The first thing is the

251
00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,839
Speaker 3: International Highlight Film. It's my favorite thing, right, it's we

252
00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,080
Speaker 3: have we have like a running joke and we had

253
00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,319
Speaker 3: a couple of guys who whether it was George, you

254
00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,839
Speaker 3: sent me one and again for full disclosure.

255
00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,760
Speaker 4: For everybody, here's what's cool about you guys.

256
00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,240
Speaker 3: At the weak right, and and and Brandon you as well,

257
00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,640
Speaker 3: is I like and respect you guys.

258
00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,199
Speaker 4: We don't have any of your clients.

259
00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,560
Speaker 3: That's the crazy part is like there's there's an assumption

260
00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,640
Speaker 3: out there like, well, you're getting having them on because

261
00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,760
Speaker 3: you're getting weave guys, Like, no, that's not how it works,

262
00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:02,280
Speaker 3: right if the relationship, if the dollars and like George knows,

263
00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,360
Speaker 3: I wore him out about one player, one fucking dude

264
00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,240
Speaker 3: that I wanted really really badly, And you know, to

265
00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,680
Speaker 3: this point, I'm still probably like, ah, I was trying

266
00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,320
Speaker 3: to be so disciplined in my budgeting that I probably

267
00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,959
Speaker 3: and look, I was a hard sale because we hadn't

268
00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,559
Speaker 3: won and you know, we played against.

269
00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,360
Speaker 4: The kid, so I get it.

270
00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,599
Speaker 3: But the point is that I think the ultimate relationship,

271
00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,160
Speaker 3: you know, and I tell this to guys we recruit,

272
00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,319
Speaker 3: like coaches will tell you they we want to have

273
00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,880
Speaker 3: a relationship with you, and then you choose another school

274
00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,319
Speaker 3: and they're like fuck you, Like that's not a relationship, right,

275
00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,600
Speaker 3: that's relationship can't be so like BG, but you sent

276
00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,000
Speaker 3: guys to me and Brandon, you sent guys to me

277
00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:44,520
Speaker 3: and we haven't been able to make it work.

278
00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,479
Speaker 4: It doesn't stop us from having a relationship, right Again.

279
00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:51,440
Speaker 3: That's it's really important to note that there's no wink wink,

280
00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:56,600
Speaker 3: nod nod. Uh? Was it quid pro quo in having

281
00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,000
Speaker 3: you guys on in any way?

282
00:13:59,640 --> 00:13:59,960
Speaker 1: Okay?

283
00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,120
Speaker 3: That said, Okay, let's get to a couple of different

284
00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:04,240
Speaker 3: elements which are fastating.

285
00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:04,800
Speaker 4: Brandon.

286
00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,280
Speaker 3: Let's start with you. I know obviously you're big overseas

287
00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,240
Speaker 3: as well. I want to get to overseas. Let's start

288
00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:14,160
Speaker 3: with Juco because we landed three Juco players and I

289
00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:20,160
Speaker 3: think it's probably the least discussed part of the portal, right,

290
00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,000
Speaker 3: because the high school kids' predicament is talked about a lot,

291
00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,760
Speaker 3: because it's a real thing. I think the international thing

292
00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,120
Speaker 3: is new and kind of a gold Rushiet type deal.

293
00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,920
Speaker 3: And obviously the high level transfer portal guy is interesting.

294
00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,120
Speaker 3: But junior college, which as you told me when I

295
00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,560
Speaker 3: got the job, and it did, like just so you understand,

296
00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,320
Speaker 3: like it takes a while to really evaluate who you are,

297
00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,800
Speaker 3: what you are and what's really.

298
00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:49,480
Speaker 4: Going on in the market.

299
00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,120
Speaker 3: But as you told me, junior college is very different

300
00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,480
Speaker 3: than it used to be, or at least perception used

301
00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,840
Speaker 3: to be. Right, Junior college used to be for all

302
00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,280
Speaker 3: the fuck ups, Right, dudes that you knew what's cools

303
00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,440
Speaker 3: they could get into and couldn't survive at or whatever

304
00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,480
Speaker 3: you got Dennis Rodman on there, right. I mean, I

305
00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,360
Speaker 3: don't know if Larry Johnson was a fuck up, but

306
00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,040
Speaker 3: like they were going to Fresnow, they were going to

307
00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,480
Speaker 3: Long Beach State, they were going to you know, the

308
00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,640
Speaker 3: Lamar's of the world that you were finding guys that

309
00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,560
Speaker 3: that couldn't didn't want to do the job academically, had

310
00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,880
Speaker 3: massive issues, whereas now there's some of that don't get

311
00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:22,200
Speaker 3: me wrong.

312
00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:23,520
Speaker 4: Here's some dudes with issues.

313
00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,880
Speaker 3: There's also guys that were not really discovered because the

314
00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,800
Speaker 3: high school recruiting process from covid On has been completely

315
00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,720
Speaker 3: boo barred. There's guys that think they're protecting a year

316
00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,440
Speaker 3: now because nobody knows how many years of eligibility you

317
00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,440
Speaker 3: actually get where they go there and they had out.

318
00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,160
Speaker 4: There's guys that have gotten better, right.

319
00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,160
Speaker 3: Or there's guys that realize, hey, I'm not going to

320
00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,280
Speaker 3: play as a freshman in college, so let me go

321
00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:48,120
Speaker 3: to a junior college.

322
00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,240
Speaker 4: I actually play at kind of a between level.

323
00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,320
Speaker 3: So Brandon, my assessment of junior college basketball is this,

324
00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,520
Speaker 3: It very much depends on the program as much as

325
00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,160
Speaker 3: the kid when you recruit, right, because every program is

326
00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,720
Speaker 3: run very differently, as well as the level of junior

327
00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,400
Speaker 3: college program. Right, certain levels of junior college program are

328
00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:12,960
Speaker 3: really really talented.

329
00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,960
Speaker 4: Certain are really not. So you have to know the levels.

330
00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:18,200
Speaker 1: But I feel like.

331
00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,360
Speaker 3: Most of the high level mid majors to high majors,

332
00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,680
Speaker 3: with one or two exceptions, they're like, we'll get to you,

333
00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,280
Speaker 3: and we get to you. They recruit them, they evaluate them,

334
00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,760
Speaker 3: they think they're an option, but once the portal opens

335
00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,640
Speaker 3: everybody loses their mind and they want guys that play

336
00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:39,000
Speaker 3: Division one basketball is do you believe that's the case

337
00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,360
Speaker 3: from this year in the portal?

338
00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:47,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, So if JUCO has gone through this evolution in

339
00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,440
Speaker 7: the last twenty years to where it is now after

340
00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:55,720
Speaker 7: the portal, where you know there used to be thirty

341
00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,320
Speaker 7: high major guys at least, right you would see these

342
00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,080
Speaker 7: you know, these big time programs would recruit these high

343
00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:07,119
Speaker 7: level players. There are far fewer available for the highest levels.

344
00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:07,760
Speaker 4: Right.

345
00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,200
Speaker 7: There's probably three guys right now that have real serious

346
00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,239
Speaker 7: high major offers for the fall, and that's about it

347
00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,199
Speaker 7: right now. There might be one or two more, but

348
00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,560
Speaker 7: I mean then we're talking like five guys, right and

349
00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,720
Speaker 7: there might be another five by the end of the year.

350
00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,040
Speaker 7: But where I do think it has changed is that

351
00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,200
Speaker 7: kind of middle ground. I think there's better players available

352
00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,119
Speaker 7: now than maybe ever in that middle section. And a

353
00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:32,960
Speaker 7: lot of that has to do with the high school

354
00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,920
Speaker 7: kids have nowhere to go, right So a high school

355
00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,680
Speaker 7: kid that maybe would have gone to a good low

356
00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,399
Speaker 7: major early on and developed and then maybe transferred up,

357
00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,480
Speaker 7: now they're happened to go Juco. We're seeing it with

358
00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,879
Speaker 7: the international kids, you know, we brought over an international

359
00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,320
Speaker 7: player that five years ago i'd had no problemly easy

360
00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,720
Speaker 7: to get you twenty Division one offers. Now he's in

361
00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,640
Speaker 7: junior college for a year and he's going to wind

362
00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,120
Speaker 7: up with twenty Division one offers from there. But he's

363
00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:01,320
Speaker 7: taking that extra step. It's improving the quality of junior

364
00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:05,399
Speaker 7: college basketball. It's opening a lot of people's eyes to

365
00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,639
Speaker 7: the process. And I think personally, at the end of

366
00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,480
Speaker 7: the day, you're going to just see, you know, Juco's

367
00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,240
Speaker 7: is a different thing, right You got to you gotta

368
00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,879
Speaker 7: be able to survive some stuff to get through JUCO.

369
00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:17,879
Speaker 2: I think you're going to.

370
00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,760
Speaker 7: See kind of some of that play outs they move

371
00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,040
Speaker 7: on to the Division one level and stuff, just kids

372
00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,400
Speaker 7: that are better prepared to be successful at the Division

373
00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,560
Speaker 7: IE level. And like you said, the quality, character, academics,

374
00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:31,520
Speaker 7: all that sort of stuff.

375
00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,280
Speaker 2: Most of the IVY league recruits JUCO.

376
00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:33,919
Speaker 6: These days.

377
00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,199
Speaker 7: There's only a few IVY leagues that don't recruit it

378
00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,679
Speaker 7: at all, but the rest of them do, you know,

379
00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,040
Speaker 7: And I think that just speaks to the change.

380
00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, i'd also say that, And maybe I don't know.

381
00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,080
Speaker 3: If you guys like DP, this is a question probably

382
00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:56,320
Speaker 3: for you is what's the percentage of guys where you

383
00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:57,359
Speaker 3: feel like there's.

384
00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:04,480
Speaker 6: You broke up for a second?

385
00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,840
Speaker 1: One? What we landed about are you broke up for

386
00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:07,320
Speaker 1: a second?

387
00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,679
Speaker 4: Sorry? What what is the percent No?

388
00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,760
Speaker 3: I know, what is the percentage of guys where you

389
00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,800
Speaker 3: feel like there's a level of entitlement there? I bring

390
00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,200
Speaker 3: it up because they don't almos show it right away,

391
00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,600
Speaker 3: But Brandon, you and I know of a guy who

392
00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:26,680
Speaker 3: I had last year.

393
00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:27,320
Speaker 1: Who like.

394
00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,040
Speaker 3: Just the way he sees the world is like everybody

395
00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,679
Speaker 3: owes him something right, and we I really felt like

396
00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:42,760
Speaker 3: I wanted my program to have guys that we're hungry.

397
00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,120
Speaker 3: You know again, I'm not saying there's not a pot

398
00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,640
Speaker 3: of gold out there for you, but you ain't there yet,

399
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:50,680
Speaker 3: and it ain't there for me yet, and it ain't

400
00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,520
Speaker 3: there for you yet. So I'm just I guess I'm

401
00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,400
Speaker 3: wondering dan in now, when all these huge numbers.

402
00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,159
Speaker 4: Are being thrown around.

403
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:05,000
Speaker 3: Them landing, how do you evaluate a client as to

404
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,360
Speaker 3: I want to I want to work with this guy.

405
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,800
Speaker 3: Do you care if a kid comes across entitled? I

406
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:10,960
Speaker 3: guess this is my question.

407
00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,200
Speaker 5: One hundred percent, And I think I'm happy you asked

408
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,760
Speaker 5: that I think that is a secret to our success.

409
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,720
Speaker 5: It's not just who we say yes too, but almost

410
00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,320
Speaker 5: more importantly who we say no to, right, because you

411
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:20,840
Speaker 5: could take way.

412
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 4: Can you guys say no to guys? You guys turn

413
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,840
Speaker 4: down turndown clients.

414
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 6: All the time.

415
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 5: I tell my staff all the time, eighty percent of

416
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,000
Speaker 5: your problems come from twenty percent of your clients. If

417
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,880
Speaker 5: we avoid the twenty percent, we're going to be much

418
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,840
Speaker 5: more successful. Because I've seen that through my decades in

419
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,639
Speaker 5: this business. It's guys who outsize expectations, outsized entitlement, and

420
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,359
Speaker 5: then even if you do a great job form they

421
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 5: expected you to do better and they're not appreciative. We

422
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,120
Speaker 5: like working with people, We like to work with and

423
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,880
Speaker 5: like attracts like I put together a team of underdogs.

424
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,439
Speaker 5: You know, Brandon, though he's not, you know, technically a

425
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 5: member of our team, he has his own business. Me

426
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,959
Speaker 5: and him started from the mud. George coached you know,

427
00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,240
Speaker 5: the Division two and D three in Juco basketball. We

428
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 5: have a team of underdogs who are humble servants and

429
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 5: we filter, you know, people Sometimes we get on a

430
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 5: zoom and they think we're pitching them, we're kind of

431
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,360
Speaker 5: evaluating them. It's dating. Are you right for us? And

432
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,400
Speaker 5: that are you know we represent? I think the stat

433
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 5: last year's twenty percent of starters at the high major level.

434
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 5: I think we only had one five star in our

435
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:24,679
Speaker 5: entire group of clients. And that's not like we by

436
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 5: design like, oh we say no to five stars. It's

437
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 5: just we recruit you know, humble people, high character people,

438
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,880
Speaker 5: and sometimes the American AAU system.

439
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 6: Doesn't produce that doesn't type of guys we look for.

440
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 5: We love Juco kids, we love international kids. We love

441
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 5: and part of it is we're willing to do the

442
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,679
Speaker 5: legwork to get guys there. Instead of going to the

443
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 5: Peach Jam and competing with ten other agencies to sign

444
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,880
Speaker 5: you know, one five star kid who's going to be entitled,

445
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 5: We'd rather go to the corners of the earth and

446
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,120
Speaker 5: find somebody that no one's ever heard of, or find

447
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,119
Speaker 5: a kid in Juco that's maybe a few years away,

448
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 5: but is willing to do the work and willing to

449
00:21:58,840 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 5: brind with us.

450
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 6: And uh, you know.

451
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 5: I've had multiple guys drafted the last few years. None

452
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 5: of them were five stars. Are four stars right? We'd

453
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,479
Speaker 5: like to take the long road and work with guys

454
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 5: and I have certain secrets which we can share on

455
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 5: maybe another day, but at risk of running too long.

456
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 5: What things we specifically look for for guys who're going

457
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 5: to achieve what qualities?

458
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 9: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb

459
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 9: Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox

460
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 9: Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

461
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 4: Perfect perfect Thing? What do you look? Can I tell

462
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 4: you what we look for?

463
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: Okay?

464
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,880
Speaker 3: So as you guys know, I signed a D two kid, hey,

465
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 3: Rob Stroud, who was at Lewis University.

466
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 4: Three years at Kanicky Kennona Key, and then I got it?

467
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 1: Did I?

468
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,199
Speaker 4: Did I get the second time? Time?

469
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:47,880
Speaker 2: You got?

470
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 6: Second time? You got? Second time?

471
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 4: Cannon Cannicaki?

472
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 2: What is it?

473
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 6: Go ahead?

474
00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 2: Y kank kokikanky Key?

475
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 4: All right? I got it, kanky Key all right? Three

476
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 4: years at kanky Key, two years at Lewis.

477
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 3: Right now, there's a there's a ceiling there, right again,

478
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 3: there's a ceiling. He's six five and you know he's

479
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 3: a three. He can play three four five.

480
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 4: Right, and he's but he's a.

481
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 3: Dog and he badly and those kids, they so badly

482
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 3: want a shot at Division one basketball.

483
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 4: And what I value Dan is.

484
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 3: Yes, there's a there's a toughness to be in an underdog,

485
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 3: no question. There's also we had a kid last year

486
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 3: who at the end of the year we really had

487
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 3: to use all utilize a lot. But he had never

488
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 3: been the best player, I don't believe, or a leading

489
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 3: scorer on his team ever, right, And there's just something

490
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 3: that you have to know and feel and be able

491
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 3: to do if you want to do.

492
00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 4: That at any level.

493
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 3: And so I just it's like the Bronnie James thing, right,

494
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 3: Like Brian James was never the best player on any

495
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 3: team he ever played on.

496
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 4: So he didn't know how to be a dominant player.

497
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 4: He just didn't. He didn't know how to take over

498
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 4: a game.

499
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 3: And you know, I have a kid at Justin Allen,

500
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 3: who was the Division three kid, and Justin averaged twenty

501
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 3: two to twenty four and twenty six. And yeah, if

502
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 3: you watch the tape, some of his shots selections last

503
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 3: year wasn't great, but he had to make hard shots

504
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 3: because that was his role.

505
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 4: On that team. And so he comes into us humble

506
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 4: in that he's never played Division on basketball.

507
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 3: He comes to us hungry because not a lot of

508
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 3: schools even offered him when he went to the portal.

509
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 3: But he also comes to us with a ton of

510
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 3: confidence as a scorer, because that's all he's done since

511
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 3: he's played college basketball.

512
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 4: Ranted at a lower level.

513
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not trying to stay the D three best

514
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 3: at a lower level, but I value the confidence and

515
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 3: the ability to do as well as the hunger, maybe

516
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 3: more so than the upside of a kid who's two

517
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 3: inches taller or somebody who's a.

518
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 4: Three star at a high school.

519
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 3: So DP, when what are the trademarks or traits you

520
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 3: look for that show you a kid is an underdog

521
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 3: but worthy of.

522
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 4: Joining the weed.

523
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 5: Well, the first thing, which you already mentioned is humility.

524
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 5: Humility is most important trait I think obviously. I'm Jewish

525
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 5: and study Torah deeply, and they say Moses was the

526
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 5: most humble man who ever lived. He is a leader

527
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 5: of the Jewish people wandering through the desert, but he

528
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 5: maintained humility even as he talked to God. If Moses

529
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 5: can be humble, so can you. Because you average twenty

530
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 5: two points per gave it to Juco like humble yourself.

531
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 5: You got to sniff out humility. The second one is

532
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 5: a growth mindset, like, we want guys who know, no

533
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 5: matter how good you are, there's another level to get

534
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 5: to you, and you're gonna have to work for it.

535
00:25:58,359 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 6: You gonna have to earn it.

536
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 5: The red flag, the number one red flag is kids

537
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 5: who display they don't have a growth mindset by blaming

538
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 5: others for their shortcomings. If a kid had a rough

539
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 5: year and I asked what happened and they immediately blame

540
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 5: the coach or blame their teammates, that shows me they're

541
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 5: not taking accountability for their failures for shortcomings, and they're

542
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 5: gonna continue to do that throughout their career. But guys

543
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 5: who go through challenging situations and look at how could

544
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:22,479
Speaker 5: I have approached this better?

545
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 6: How could I?

546
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 5: One of my biggest pet peeves is, oh, I didn't

547
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 5: you know I didn't play well because my coach doesn't

548
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 5: like me. Well, guess what your coach likes to win?

549
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 5: A better teammate or you had been into enough player,

550
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 5: you wouldn't been on that port. No coach is gonna

551
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 5: lose their job and lose games because they don't like you.

552
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 6: So we flag.

553
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 5: We read flag people who places external blame. The next

554
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 5: thing I look for is I try to get to

555
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 5: the bottom of what motivates a player. Oftentimes I'll ask

556
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 5: a guy like, why do you do this? Why do

557
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 5: you want to play high major BASKETBA? Why do you

558
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 5: want to go to the NBA? And oftentimes the first

559
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 5: thing is I want to take care of my family.

560
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 5: I want you know, I want to help my mom.

561
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 5: And that's great. But then after that, what else drives you?

562
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 5: Because if that's your only driver, financial security is the

563
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 5: only driver. Once you achieve it, why are you going

564
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 5: to keep working? You look at Steph Curry, Lebron James.

565
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 5: They have more money and they'll ever know what to

566
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 5: do with, but they're still working maniacally because there's something

567
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 5: greater that's driving them.

568
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 6: Right.

569
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 5: And once you get to the bottom of what really

570
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 5: drives a kid, then you understand you know not only

571
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 5: how good they can be, but where to play them,

572
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 5: what program to put them in, what role to put

573
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 5: them in? Right, And we look for kids who want

574
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,479
Speaker 5: to win. We look for kids who want to win

575
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 5: as a team. And it's not just about individual attributes, because,

576
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 5: like you said, oftentimes everybody was the best player in

577
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 5: their team growing up. When you get into an environment

578
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 5: where you have to play a role. Are you prepared

579
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 5: for that? Are you going to be humble? Are you

580
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 5: going to be a team first? So we really try

581
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 5: to screen for that. And also like we're big on gratitude,

582
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 5: Like George sends me gratitude text every week. We love

583
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 5: showing appreciation, love and gratitude. We don't want people who

584
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 5: are entitled and think that we're you know, we were

585
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 5: just there to serve them with no thanks. I look

586
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 5: for how players treat the people around them. You know,

587
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 5: you ask the coaches they played for do they appreciate

588
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 5: them or did they you know, leave without a trace?

589
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 6: Right, So some of the buckets being looked.

590
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 5: But if you really screen for those things, and then

591
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 5: as an agency or as a coach, have discipline and

592
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 5: saying no when a kid might be a dude, he

593
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 5: might be a killer, but he has all these red

594
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 5: flags of character that don't vibe with your your your culture.

595
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 6: Are you willing to say no? There's power in.

596
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 5: Saying no and do withization, because it's not fair. If

597
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 5: I have a kid who's an awesome human being, it

598
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 5: doesn't demand a ton of our time, and I'm over

599
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 5: indexing my staff's time towards kids who are super entitled

600
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 5: and asking for way too much.

601
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think if I might say, just pig

602
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:41,479
Speaker 6: back Dan.

603
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 8: I think the other values Doug is like when we

604
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 8: go on these zoom calls or on phone calls, it's

605
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 8: just not one agent, it's our whole team. So our

606
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 8: whole team is getting to evaluate the situation, so all

607
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 8: of us will have different perspectives. And then it's a

608
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 8: collective group in a sense of like are we going

609
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 8: to take this on? And it's all even with if

610
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 8: Brandon has a guy, Dan has a guy, Juice n As,

611
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 8: you'll have a guy in California, we all technically have

612
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 8: a hand ind with that player some way, And I

613
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 8: think that's what makes it special. So we're all seeing

614
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 8: everything from a collective and speaking freely of this is

615
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 8: a good kid to take in their family or not.

616
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 8: And I think that's something that's very different that you

617
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 8: don't see all the time in this space.

618
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 3: Have you, George, is there anyone you placed this year

619
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 3: who you're like, but I mean, coach, want to pay

620
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 3: the money?

621
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 4: It got done?

622
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I think there's a couple. But also

623
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 8: I think there's a couple where there's Dan. When Dan

624
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 8: comes I told you so moments where you someone calls

625
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 8: you and being fresh in this, you want to take

626
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 8: that player on, right, And we just finally got that

627
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 8: player to ex school. But that was probably the hardest

628
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 8: learning moment of that. We had a couple others that

629
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 8: I learned, we learned hard from and I learned hard.

630
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 6: From, you know.

631
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 8: But also it's it's critically you know that. You know,

632
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 8: Dan taught me let me get my feet wet, and

633
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 8: we learned together on it. But yeah, there's there's a

634
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 8: couple of guys right now that are floating the water

635
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 8: and we're in there trying to educate them to be like, hey, guy,

636
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 8: you know what's your worth? You know, we're getting phone calls,

637
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 8: you know, so we're being that extra you know, extra

638
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 8: support to get motivate these guys, and you know, as

639
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 8: the season goes, well, we'll work on that on those

640
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 8: X players.

641
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 5: To Georgia's point, like this was George's first year you

642
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 5: know on the agent side, he was on the coaching

643
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 5: side for twenty years. There was times where I warned

644
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 5: him and then after a first morning, if he still

645
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 5: took that guy on, I let him and our staff

646
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 5: figure out in real time. This is why I warned you,

647
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 5: because I fought these battles before. Like humartin right, He's like,

648
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 5: I can help everybody. I can change him, I can

649
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 5: get him to see the light. And sometimes you can.

650
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 5: But but like I said, it's not fair to the

651
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 5: rest of the clients and the staff if you're overindexing

652
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 5: on guys who don't want to learn, who don't want

653
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 5: to And George has the biggest heart I know, and

654
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 5: he wants to help everybody, but at a certain point

655
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 5: guys have to have that internal drive to help themselves.

656
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 5: And I think the universe, the laws of the unseen,

657
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 5: laws of the universe, never fails. This is gonna this

658
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 5: might not work out well, and you still do it

659
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,959
Speaker 5: because there's financial incentive. It's probably not going to work

660
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 5: out well, and you're not.

661
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 6: Going to get that commission.

662
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 5: You're gonna end up falling on your face and saying, wow,

663
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 5: I should have listened to my intuition.

664
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 9: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb

665
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 9: Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox

666
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 9: Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

667
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 4: Brandon the the Overseas Player.

668
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 3: Uh My, I think most of us in coaching view,

669
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 3: most of those guys as humble, like, look they're coming

670
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: over here because and this is our sale.

671
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 4: Just there's no reasonable shit on my own pod, right.

672
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 3: So it's like, what's right, what's the what's the sailor

673
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 3: green Bay back? Like how do you get a kid?

674
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: It's like, well, okay, look, we don't as much money

675
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 3: as everybody else. It's fine, or as much money as

676
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 3: people say. And I try and run a very discipline shop.

677
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 3: And my my, uh this year, what I'm trying to

678
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 3: do is I just I thought we our talent level across.

679
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 4: The board wasn't good enough.

680
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: So the only way to do it when you don't

681
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 3: have more money than anybody else. And I probably again,

682
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 3: if I could go back and do it, if I

683
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 3: knew I was going to win four Division one games,

684
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 3: I would have just said, the hell with it, we'll

685
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 3: play all by games in the non conference.

686
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 4: And you know I now I inherited.

687
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 3: A schedule which was way too difficult, and we made

688
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 3: three hundred and eighty last year, but I would have

689
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 3: made you know, six hundred and then had more to spend. Right,

690
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: we can get to scheduling maybe probably in the later pod.

691
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 3: But the point is that, so look, our sale is, Hey,

692
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 3: you can make I don't know, well into six figures overseas, okay,

693
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 3: but this is the only place outside of the NBA

694
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: where you can make mid six figures in a year

695
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: or two. Right, kid plays in Serbia and whatever he makes,

696
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 3: you know, it tops out in the next couple of years,

697
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 3: what one hundred and fifty, right, Whereas whereas in a

698
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 3: Power four you're making above. If you're playing, you're making

699
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 3: above that. So my sale is a complay for me

700
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 3: for year or two and then yes, this will be

701
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 3: less than maybe you're making out, maybe less than you thought.

702
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 4: But we believe that.

703
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 3: If you're as good as you think and you get

704
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 3: four years, that'll leave you three, two, even one year

705
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 3: to go and really really cash in and you can

706
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 3: always go back and play in your home cun So

707
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 3: there is part of the reason they come is not

708
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: just because they love America, right, It's because they do

709
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 3: want to get paid.

710
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 4: But there is at least a felts like a.

711
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 3: Higher percentage of Hungary, a higher percentage of humble, a

712
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: higher percentage of of of kids who are about the

713
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 3: right things, especially right out of the gate. This year,

714
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 3: you've had this gold rush right where where finally overseas

715
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 3: guys are able to be cleared and eligible and there's

716
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 3: a there's a lot of big name overseas players coming.

717
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 4: What has this been? When? Did? When was the moment

718
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 4: that it.

719
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 3: Turned because it happened really quickly? Was it was it

720
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 3: Illinois last year? And that's what changed things? What happened

721
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 3: where we went from it was really hard to get

722
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 3: international kids to now the floodgates are open.

723
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, last year was was really kind of that like

724
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 7: little but it didn't it didn't spread super fast right away.

725
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 7: It was like, oh, this is interesting, this this doesn't

726
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 7: seem like the kind of guy that would normally come

727
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 7: play college basketball. And then all of a sudden, you know,

728
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 7: it was really kind of halfway through the season, I

729
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 7: think because there was still like a lot of a

730
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 7: lot of kids that were not convinced, there was still

731
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 7: a lot of agents overseas that didn't really understand things,

732
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 7: and then all of a sudden, halfway through the season,

733
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 7: it exploded. I mean, you know, I talked to hundreds

734
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 7: of international players every year, whether they're you know, we

735
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 7: you know, clients of Dans or not. You know, I'm

736
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 7: helping anywhere and everywhere, and all of a sudden, my

737
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 7: phone just melted, you know, and it was it was

738
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 7: just like, hey, I.

739
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 2: Got a guy. I got a guy. I got everybody

740
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: had a guy. Had a sudden everybody had a guy.

741
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 4: And you know, like you said, the culture, I got

742
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 4: a guy for you.

743
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 7: The the kids are the right ones are humble and

744
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 7: understand the process. You know, you're always going to run

745
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 7: into the ones that they look at this as like

746
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 7: the get rich quick, you know situation. You know, you

747
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 7: and I worked on one that's not a Dan client

748
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 7: this year that like, you know, he's a good kid

749
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 7: that had all sorts of stuff going on early and

750
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 7: it kind of whatever, and he's a he's a great player,

751
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 7: and he's he's, you know, a.

752
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 2: Good dude and all that sort of thing. And like

753
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: a guy like that.

754
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 7: Understands what this process looks like, you know, otherwise that

755
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 7: have just gone home, you know. And so I think

756
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 7: I think the right ones kind of have it figured

757
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 7: out and they're going to really turn it into great things.

758
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, we're still going to see the fall on the

759
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: face situations.

760
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 7: You know, we saw it last year with some really

761
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 7: high level guys that went one year, didn't do much

762
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 7: here and then went home. But now there's definitely like

763
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 7: this real hunger to come over here. And it's just

764
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 7: opened up all sorts of doors. And you know, we

765
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 7: talked about the high school kids and whatever. That's going

766
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 7: to create a lot more opportunities in the junior college

767
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 7: space and things too, because we even have really good

768
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 7: players coming over and playing juco.

769
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we listen, we.

770
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 3: Recruit a kid at I'll give the school out people

771
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 3: can at Western Wyoming, and I really liked him, right,

772
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 3: and you know, it did come a little bit down

773
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 3: to dollars and cents. We took a kid. We took

774
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 3: a kid that we thought felt like it was kind

775
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 3: of doubled up on what he did. By the way,

776
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 3: I'd like to point out that I want credit, kay,

777
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 3: we had the first mid season acquisition, free agent acquisition

778
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: in the history of this thing. Right, So and yeah,

779
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 3: Yona tell Levy who I love him as a kid,

780
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 3: right and good player or whatever. So when historically, whenever

781
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 3: the story of the portal is written, and it ultimately

782
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 3: because I want to get into a couple of things

783
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 3: that I think are going to evolve out of this thing.

784
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 4: I would love to be the guy who you know

785
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 4: who the first guy to get a free agent mid

786
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 4: season is it's gottlic Well.

787
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 6: Who's gonna be the first orchestrated mid season trade. That's

788
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 6: that's the really I want to want that well.

789
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 3: Or or or late or late right now if I

790
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 3: could trade one so so so. So there's there's that. Okay,

791
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 3: here's the big question, guys and dan. I know your

792
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 3: internal answer is everything is going to get more expensive

793
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 3: next year. But there is the reality to there's going

794
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 3: to be a lot more players and that that have

795
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 3: experienced that are available than there have ever been before.

796
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 3: So what happens to the market next year? Considering Europe

797
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 3: is now open for business, right, like there's no tariffs there.

798
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 4: Hey, Europe is open for freaking business.

799
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 3: So you're talking about brit How many for I mean,

800
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 3: how many for them players do you think we have

801
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 3: that will come over this year?

802
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: A few hundred at least, right, it's is.

803
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 3: It safe to say it's probably doubled from last year? Yes, okay,

804
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 3: so which means it'll probably double next year as well.

805
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: Fair Yeah, if at minimum it's this, but probably a

806
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 3: little bit more so.

807
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 7: Nobody, not necessarily just division one, right, Like, I think

808
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 7: the numbers will continue to skyrocket in some of the

809
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 7: other levels because there is a there is a limit

810
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 7: to the talent.

811
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 4: Pool, right, no question.

812
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 3: But I like again, I'm interested in what happens to

813
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: junior teams International plan, you know, like, does it make

814
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 3: sense for for these schools to have have their junior

815
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 3: programs as well? I would say at minimum it doubles

816
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 3: next year. Okay, so if you increase the pool by

817
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 3: a couple of hundred kids and they're experiencing well, coach,

818
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 3: need to pause one second.

819
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 4: Guy, So I want to get a drink or whatever.

820
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 4: I'm actually ordering it an outburd squeak of record, this too?

821
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 6: What's that mean?

822
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 4: Okay? Can I get a uh a uh? I want

823
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 4: to three by three?

824
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: No?

825
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: No onions?

826
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: And then can I get a double double.

827
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 4: Protein style? No onions? And then can I go.

828
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 6: To n any phrase with that?

829
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 8: No?

830
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 4: Thanks?

831
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 6: Nice? So I don't know what on.

832
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 4: Yes?

833
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 2: Sure, sure can we eighty six?

834
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 3: There you go, there's the there's the gotlieb.

835
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 4: I'm leaving l A.

836
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 3: I gotta get I'm a Southern California kid. I gotta

837
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 3: get some in an Albert before I got.

838
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 6: Go ahead, come over to see my house in Venice.

839
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 6: You gotta gotta come.

840
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 4: I got a little time here. I don't fly out

841
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 4: until six something. Am I going. It's possibility.

842
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 5: I'm going to a fundraiser tonight for a political candidate,

843
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 5: and here in Venice.

844
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 6: It's someone you can welcome to come with me.

845
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna pass appreciate it. But if you

846
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 4: want to share the tour reading for the day, I would,

847
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 4: I would. I need a little God.

848
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 3: So next time I'm back, I'm back for There's a

849
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 3: junior college event in two weeks, right, uh nom was

850
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 3: the third October three?

851
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 2: Oh, you're going out to California, California.

852
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 4: DP the eighteenth and nineteenth.

853
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 2: Let me know if you're in Idaho.

854
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 5: I have I have my men's group is doing a

855
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 5: retreat at one of our guys houses. We're doing weapons

856
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 5: training in Idaho, Northern Idaho.

857
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 4: We have to have the DP camp. That's what we got.

858
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 3: Okay, So okay, So here's the question. What happens to

859
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 3: the market when you throw in let's say, two hundred

860
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 3: more professional basketball players.

861
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 4: What happens?

862
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 5: Well, So, first thing before I directly answer that question

863
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 5: to lead into that question to address your last question,

864
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 5: talk about the international highlight films. Right, A lot of

865
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 5: coaches have a lot of trouble trusting their own eVols

866
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 5: when it's an unfamiliar league and unfamiliar country and unfamiliar

867
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 5: style of play. They're much more comfortable taking the kid

868
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 5: to average eleven at Southeast Missouri State than the kid

869
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 5: who average eleven some league in Europe that haven't heard of.

870
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 6: But that's how you get.

871
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 5: A competitive advantage with a smaller budget. Right, you talk

872
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 5: about the high end guys are the ones who went

873
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 5: to Illinois and BYU and you know, these million dollar guys,

874
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 5: But in that middle and lower tier of international pros

875
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 5: or youth players, there's so much value if you know

876
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 5: how to evault and you know what you're looking at,

877
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 5: and you trust your gut. And that's why we've had

878
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 5: such a competitive advantage we've no pun intended and such

879
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 5: a competitive advantage international space because me and Brandon have

880
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 5: been doing playing international kids for over a decade before

881
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 5: there was any nil and any money. We're doing this

882
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 5: for fun. So like Pela Larson, who's my client with

883
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 5: the Miami Heat, me and Brandon helped him come over here.

884
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 6: Six years ago he.

885
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 5: Was playing in the FOBA Under eighteen B division to Sweden,

886
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,959
Speaker 5: and I remember calling the high majors who wouldn't even

887
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 5: watch his film, you know, Swedish B division whatever he had.

888
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 5: His final three visits were San Francisco with Todd Golden,

889
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 5: UCSB with Joe Pasternak, and then he ended up at

890
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 5: Utah Post Arizona and it ends up in the NBA. Okay, well,

891
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 5: now there's another kid from Sweden coming over this year.

892
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 5: Oscar Wickstrom, from the same club as Palace, same height,

893
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 5: same position, couldn't get a single Division one offer because

894
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 5: he's high end pros pushed the mid and lower tier

895
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 5: European kids down a level. So Oscar would have been

896
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 5: a mid major plus guy five years ago. Now he's

897
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 5: in Juco. But he's going to be blow up in

898
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 5: Juco and be a high major player. We're going to

899
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 5: tell everybody I've told you so. So I think what's

900
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 5: happened now is European recruiting used to be a scavenger hunt,

901
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 5: but now it's turning, you know, very similar to US recruiting.

902
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 5: Who are the five stars? Who are the you know,

903
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 5: highly ranked guys. There's so much value in the in

904
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 5: the in the in the other categories. Right, But like anything,

905
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 5: when there's more money in the market, there's gonna be

906
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 5: more players staying in college longer, more high level pros

907
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 5: coming over, and it pushes everybody down a level, right,

908
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 5: The low major guys are now going juco juco guys

909
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 5: or maybe.

910
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 6: Happening to prep a year. But it creates.

911
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 5: Opportunity for a program like a Green Bay who's willing

912
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 5: to take a risk and turn over and cost their

913
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:41,959
Speaker 5: evals because some of the you know, guy like Oscar

914
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 5: Wickstrom is at Howard Junior College is going to be

915
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 5: better than a lot of these guys who played pro.

916
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 5: We are getting a million bucks coming over here. So

917
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 5: the other interesting thing to look at in the market

918
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 5: this year, though, to that note, why I don't think

919
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 5: it will double from last year to this year. But

920
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 5: this next is the changes with the House settlement and

921
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 5: Trump's executive order and all these other h uh, you

922
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 5: know things that are happening that are causing uncertainty in

923
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 5: the market. No one really knows what the budgets are

924
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 5: going to be this year. No one knows if this

925
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 5: salary cap is going to stick. No one knows how

926
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 5: people are going to circumvent it. People don't know how

927
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 5: it's going to affect the marketplace. So there is going

928
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 5: to be some fear going into this year's marketplace. Now

929
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 5: I think eventually correct itself in two years from now

930
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 5: we'll see an increase again. But this year is going

931
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 5: to be a different market than last year. Last year

932
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 5: was a free for all. This year it's going to

933
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 5: be people figuring out how to work within and around

934
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 5: the rules, and and and also ultimately, there's only so

935
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 5: many spots on a Division one roster. The Campy All International,

936
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 5: there's always going to be a place for American kids.

937
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 5: But ultimately, the more money there is in the pool,

938
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 5: the more good players are going to come over, and

939
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 5: the better it is for the quality of play.

940
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 6: People people say, oh, you know nil on the transfer portal?

941
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 6: Are are you know? Kelly?

942
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 5: And college sports, there's more more interesting college course than

943
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 5: there ever was. It's more viewership there, there's more passion,

944
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 5: and the better the players are in that sport. In

945
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 5: these sports, the more fan more fans will be.

946
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna I'm gonna disagree with you. I do

947
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 3: think there's a lot of money, and the money comes

948
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 3: from all the competing TV entities.

949
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 4: I don't think there's the same passion for it that used.

950
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 3: To be because they don't know who the players are,

951
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 3: you know, they just don't.

952
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 4: They don't know who the players are.

953
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 3: And if you don't know who the players are, if

954
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 3: you don't have a relationship, like you know, it's it's

955
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 3: like we're as.

956
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: It is right now.

957
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 3: Okay, sorry about that, as it is right now. I

958
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 3: know a couple of high major schools. They're like, dude,

959
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 3: how do we get people to come to our games

960
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 3: when we weren't good last year?

961
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 4: And no one knows who these players are?

962
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 3: So why would I get my car and drive to

963
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 3: a college town to go see a game when I

964
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 3: can watch it on TV anyway?

965
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 4: And I don't have the same affinity and the players.

966
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 3: Not at all schools, but many of the schools, the

967
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 3: players don't have the same that they're not going to

968
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 3: class anymore. Right, everything's online, so's they're literally mercenaries. I

969
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 3: just again, I don't think that there's the popularity. I think,

970
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 3: let's not confuse the fact that people gamble on the

971
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 3: Final Four and the NCAA tournament for the sports the

972
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 3: popular as.

973
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: Used to be.

974
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 7: I think you're right that there's an attendance issue for

975
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 7: certain places or whatever.

976
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 2: Which is kind of across the board in a lot

977
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 2: of sports.

978
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 7: But TV viewership was up almost eleven percent last year

979
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 7: over the year before, So people are watching.

980
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 2: Why are they watching and not going, you know to

981
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: the game?

982
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 7: I don't know, And that could cause an issue here

983
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 7: when we're talking about rev sharing, where the cost of

984
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 7: tickets and things like that is definitely going to impact

985
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 7: like that in person viewership. But I think the actual

986
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 7: like interest in the game has increased, you know, like

987
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 7: we saw on the viewership side of stuff. But you're right,

988
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 7: like the in person part of it is definitely going

989
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 7: to be an interesting nut to crack, because now, how

990
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 7: do we keep funding this sort of thing.

991
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 2: You can't ticket prices and all that sort of stuff.

992
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 2: It's gonna have to find its middle ground somewhere.

993
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 3: Listen, I'll just tell you guys, like right now, at

994
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 3: our level, right most schools, and this is where I

995
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 3: think I actually have a really good job.

996
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: I don't.

997
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 3: I don't think it's always been a really good job.

998
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: I think it is now and where we're going eventually

999
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 3: is we actually have There is money in Green Bay.

1000
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 3: Green Bay basketball is important to the city, and we

1001
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 3: can fundraise outside of with me and and outside of

1002
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 3: just using guarantee money. Okay, But what's interesting is now

1003
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 3: you have schools doing the there's a school at HBCU school.

1004
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 3: I'll leave their name out of it, okay, but they

1005
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 3: have a huge budget for HBCU. And what they do

1006
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 3: is they promise guys all their money, but we're not.

1007
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 3: You're not getting paid till after we play our guarantee

1008
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 3: games because that's when the money is gonna come in, right.

1009
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 3: And but the question is now there'll be more teams

1010
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 3: like in our league. Last year we played far and

1011
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 3: away the hardest schedule, like it wasn't close in our

1012
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 3: league now, I think our schedule is really difficult because

1013
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 3: we play I think like the Virgin Island strip is

1014
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 3: we play Yale to start, like, we play really good programs,

1015
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 3: but we don't have I think far and away the

1016
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 3: hardest schedule. You're seeing many teams in our league play

1017
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 3: four to six guarantee games. But when you have that

1018
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 3: market flooded by more teams looking for six figure paydays,

1019
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 3: stands a reason to drive down the overall price.

1020
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: Right.

1021
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 3: So, and I'm gonna just tell you, like, we're able

1022
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,439
Speaker 3: to we have a good budget, and we're gonna meet

1023
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 3: our budget and we're gonna grow our budget. But there

1024
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 3: are a lot of schools that just don't have any

1025
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 3: money and they are screwed. And so the question is, Okay,

1026
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 3: do you go through a year where hey, let's not

1027
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 3: pay anybody for years, save up, and then next year

1028
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: we go for it. I guess my thing Dan on

1029
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 3: the deal is like I just there is a limit

1030
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 3: to how much money there is. And so while the

1031
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 3: budget and it may go up for some people, I

1032
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 3: think for a lot of people this is going to

1033
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 3: be a really telling year because you just can't go

1034
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 3: over budget the way people have.

1035
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I disagree. I don't think there's a limit to

1036
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 6: the money. I think there's a limit to.

1037
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 5: The skillfulness of the people who are tasked with fundraising.

1038
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 5: I think ultimately there is nothing like people's emotional tie

1039
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 5: to their local school and the school that they went to.

1040
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 5: Because you know, I grew up in Chicago, cool, we

1041
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 5: liked the Bulls, but I didn't go to University of Chicago.

1042
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 5: Bulls right, But if you went to a university and

1043
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 5: that school beats your rival school, that means that year

1044
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 5: you're better than everyone who went to that school. There's

1045
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 5: nothing like the emotional tie people have to the school

1046
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 5: they went to. And for people who are super rich,

1047
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 5: you went to those schools. There's no way to flex

1048
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 5: on your classmates better than helping that by winning fund

1049
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 5: a winning team. Right now, you can buy a Rolls Royce, well,

1050
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 5: everyone can do that, but can you contribute ten million

1051
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 5: dollars to help them win games? And everyone's sharing for

1052
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 5: a team you help build. People always talk about donor fatigue.

1053
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 5: Since the start of NIL, they would talk about donor

1054
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 5: fatig and it's only the numbers have only gone up

1055
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 5: because people love helping their alma mater win games. And ultimately,

1056
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 5: I think I believe maybe I have a rational conference

1057
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 5: to myself. Put me with any any university in the country.

1058
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 5: I will find a way to rile up that fan base,

1059
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 5: raise money and get them to see how important it

1060
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 5: is that community to help this team win games. So

1061
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 5: so far, every single year since and I all started,

1062
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 5: people talk about donor fatigue. We haven't seen it. The

1063
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 5: numbers have just keep kept going up, and it trickles down. Right,

1064
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 5: the more money at the high levels, Uh, the more

1065
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 5: it trickles down with buy games and and things like that.

1066
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 5: And to your one more point on that note, you said,

1067
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 5: you know, what do you do?

1068
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 6: Do you just save up and win one year? Do you?

1069
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 6: You know? Ration it out?

1070
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 5: We still have not seen the program, the college program

1071
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 5: that operates in a way that a small budget European

1072
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 5: club would, which I've pitched any programs is see it

1073
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 5: as a farm system for for bigger programs, multiple year

1074
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 5: deals with buyouts, develop guys and get paid when they

1075
00:51:58,640 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 5: transfer to a bigger school.

1076
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 3: Okay, wait wait, wait wait wait, now you're now and

1077
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 3: you're talking my next topic. Okay, so I'll begin. Probably

1078
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 3: shouldn't share this shit, but I will.

1079
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 4: Why not?

1080
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 3: Right?

1081
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 4: Okay?

1082
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:18,919
Speaker 3: So shocka Smart's awesome, been great to me. I get

1083
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 3: the job, and I said, shock up, why do you

1084
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 3: loan me a couple year freshmen for two years? I'll

1085
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 3: send him back to you. That's a great idea.

1086
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna do it. So then this year.

1087
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 3: I was I'm trying to recruit all the Wisconsin kids, right,

1088
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 3: So I watched one group play and they had a

1089
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 3: kid who's committed to the University Wisconsin and he's good,

1090
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 3: big six' five sixty five and a half. GUARD i

1091
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 3: mean he looks like the guards in our. LEAGUE i

1092
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 3: mean he looks like eventually he'll be a big ten.

1093
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 3: Player SO i Text Greg. GUARD i, Said, greg why

1094
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 3: don't you loan me the kid for a couple of?

1095
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 4: Years and he's, like. AH i was, like they do

1096
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 4: it In, europe why not Up and he's.

1097
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 3: Like somebody will do, it it's just not gonna be.

1098
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 3: Us so like for people who aren't, following, okay The european,

1099
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 3: model and you're talking about two different parts to A.

1100
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 3: Dp first thing is cart the two the two year

1101
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 3: contract or the multi year. Contract the problem In wisconsin

1102
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 3: football obviously is challenging some of this stuff right now

1103
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 3: with a with a with a football, case right.

1104
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 6: But THE.

1105
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 3: I think the biggest issue with the multi year contract

1106
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 3: is nobody thinks the contracts are worth the paper that

1107
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 3: it's printed. On so how do we how do we

1108
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 3: get a contract that stands up in court for one

1109
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 3: of these?

1110
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 6: PLAYERS i, mean it's not hard to, Do we've done.

1111
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 4: It.

1112
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 6: Uh but it also comes down to the school's willingness.

1113
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 5: To uh take legal action if if you know they're.

1114
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 4: They don't want to take that's the big.

1115
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 3: Thing they don't want to take legal action because nobody, say,

1116
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 3: well no agent's gonna want to senec into somewhere where

1117
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 3: they're going to get sued if they get way more.

1118
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: Money.

1119
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 5: RIGHT i Think tennessee did it with their quarterback or.

1120
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 5: SOMETHING i don't follow football as, closely but very few

1121
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 5: are willing to. Sue and for us as, agents we

1122
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 5: care about the integrity of the space and the and

1123
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 5: we care about both sides of. It so if our

1124
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 5: guys have, buyouts we pay. Them we do it even

1125
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 5: if they could get away with it and not paying

1126
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 5: it in the school numbers soon and we're still going

1127
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 5: to do it because it's the right thing to do.

1128
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 5: It they agreed to that. Right but, ultimately like as

1129
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,760
Speaker 5: this space, evolves there are going to be more uniform,

1130
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 5: contracts there are going to be more ways to get

1131
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 5: buyouts and things like. That and ultimately you said you

1132
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 5: Mentioned guard And shaka they're afraid to take that.

1133
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 6: Risk, well they.

1134
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 5: Already have winning, Programs but ultimately there's going to be

1135
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 5: people who get jobs soon and coming with radically different

1136
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 5: strategies moneyball type and.

1137
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 6: Fortune favors of both fall on the face with.

1138
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 5: It but some people are, like IF i not to

1139
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 5: give away business, ideas but, like IF i had a

1140
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 5: billion dollars right now AND i didn't have a wonderful

1141
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 5: business THAT i love, doing AND i wanted to look for,

1142
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 5: OPPORTUNITY i might finance a juco. Program, Hey i'm going

1143
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 5: to give you, guys you, know a few hundred thousand,

1144
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 5: dollars give guaranteed contracts to the best junior college prospects

1145
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 5: in exchange for a percentage of their future. Earnings, right

1146
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 5: run a juco like a, business like a Small european.

1147
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 5: Club it happens In europe in, soccer in basketball and

1148
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 5: all different. Sports but people are afraid to adopt that

1149
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 5: model and implement it here because it's not like anything

1150
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 5: that's ever been, done and it's.

1151
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 6: Risky but ultimately someone's going to do.

1152
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 5: It they're going to be, bold they're going to take a,

1153
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 5: risk they're going to, win and everyone's going to follow.

1154
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 5: Suit it'll be interesting. Again you talk about trades and, loans,

1155
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 5: like you can't do a loan out right? Now you

1156
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 5: can do you, know play here two, years get a buy, out.

1157
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 5: Whatever but once you have multiple schools within the same

1158
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 5: public university, system why can't you sign The university Of illinois.

1159
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 3: Development it's a perfect SO i Told, GREG i, Said,

1160
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 3: greg first of, all you should.

1161
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 2: Play us every.

1162
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 3: Year why would you put the money in to a

1163
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 3: different state university? System play it every. Year and you

1164
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 3: should send us too freshmen every. Year and then just

1165
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 3: like In, europe like if you want to call him

1166
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 3: up for next, season then you're.

1167
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 4: New you retain their.

1168
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 3: Rights we pay whatever the loan out fee. Is kid

1169
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 3: still gets his number and he's still part of your.

1170
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 3: ORGANIZATION i don't really understand. Loss now we have a strength,

1171
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 3: condition but we all think we're Not. Wisconsin we don't

1172
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 3: have the things they. Have so, YEAH i agree with,

1173
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 3: you like this is ULTIMATELY i think it could. Work

1174
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 3: it's just who's going to be bold enough at that

1175
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 3: high level to try and pull it.

1176
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 6: Off true to we're going to get someone to do.

1177
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 5: It as an, agency we've won by pushing the, envelope

1178
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 5: being creative and taking risks that others won't, take and

1179
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 5: seeing the future and acting upon what we think will

1180
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 5: happen is going to. Happen we're going to make it.

1181
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 5: Happen we just need we have one willing participant in. You,

1182
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 5: now we just need a dancing.

1183
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 6: Partner i'm. In i'm.

1184
00:56:56,239 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 2: IN i just went, Out.

1185
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 3: George six teams in our league didn't play freshman a

1186
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 3: single minute last. Year so THAT'S i think one of

1187
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 3: the things you're run into is everybody's trying to stay, old, Right.

1188
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 6: Yeah that's the new. Norm, yeah that's that's the new.

1189
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 6: Normal but what was that we were talking? About what

1190
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 6: was the average? AGE i THINK i can't was it

1191
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 6: twenty twenty? One, gosh it was a.

1192
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 2: Lot.

1193
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 7: Yeah they went up basically a full year in this

1194
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 7: last couple of.

1195
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 8: Years, yeah just about the last couple of months of

1196
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 8: guys that replaced that our older international guys over here

1197
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 8: that are you, know high value guys that it's going

1198
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 8: to be twenty two to twenty three now they want

1199
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 8: to win at a high. Level older guys. Are they

1200
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 8: want grown, men and that's what's going to just continue

1201
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 8: to do. It BUT i agree with what you're, Saying

1202
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 8: doug AND, dp like we know that whoever pushes as

1203
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 8: button first and we, will Like dan, say, well we'll

1204
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 8: be pushed to push this it's going to be a

1205
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 8: freak amazing experience and a story to.

1206
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 6: Tell like the farm, system just.

1207
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 8: Nothing it's no different in, baseball right you got the farm,

1208
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 8: System boom boom. Boom get A, juco you get A

1209
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 8: division two and your guys just funnel through all the

1210
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 8: way up to the top and who can we?

1211
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 7: Do we still get the special uniqueness though of. Basketball

1212
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 7: it's it's much more so in basketball than it'll ever

1213
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 7: be in. Football but the idea that you, Know Wisconsin

1214
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 7: Green bay can go out and can win the, league

1215
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 7: and can you, know have these great players and go

1216
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 7: to THE ncaa tournament and you know all that that

1217
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 7: sort of thing like, that that aspect of it which

1218
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 7: everybody will fight tooth and nail to keep because that's

1219
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 7: what makes this space.

1220
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 2: Special you, know you.

1221
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 7: CAN i think in this current environment it's actually possible

1222
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 7: for a lot more parody in some, ways where you,

1223
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 7: know teams are up at the top are making these

1224
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 7: big mistakes on some of these transfers and, stuff and

1225
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 7: teams down below that are really.

1226
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 3: So where do you think the parody lies in the,

1227
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 3: league in each individual league or from power for everybody?

1228
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 7: Else, yeah in each individual league in each, Individually you're

1229
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 7: Not you're not going to have The Butler horizon stories, anymore,

1230
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 7: Right like that's just Not but within each individual league

1231
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 7: there's all these special ways that make college basketball unique and.

1232
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 7: Different the fact that you can win The Horizon league

1233
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 7: and go to THE Ncaa tournament is, special. Right you,

1234
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 7: know you're you're in THE mac in college, football like

1235
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 7: great doesn't really. Matter you, know you can't you can't

1236
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 7: go compete on the on the national stage doing, That

1237
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 7: so you, know IT'S i THINK i think it's pretty.

1238
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 7: COOL i think it's really interesting because even though the

1239
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 7: rosters are turning, over guys that'll really work and find

1240
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 7: the ways to get into the spaces where there's still

1241
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 7: great players available that are being. Overlooked, now, yeah go

1242
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 7: do that win with a different. Roster guess WHAT juco

1243
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 7: guys do that every year they turn over thirteen.

1244
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 2: Scholarships that's a great. Point, yeah the best program still.

1245
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 6: Win but you, KNOW i.

1246
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 8: Think the, one, Dude doug is like even when you're

1247
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 8: talking To, wisconsin like loan on the, Players, like, yes

1248
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 8: they might have a better strength, program but what's What,

1249
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 8: okay great, strength but they're gonna be on the floor for.

1250
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 6: You they're going to.

1251
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 8: Develop like that's a counter right, Back, like, hey they're

1252
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 8: gonna be our, guys so you're gonna say a, strength

1253
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 8: you're gonna we have a better strength.

1254
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 6: Order but development them on.

1255
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 8: The floor and getting real game, time you, know life

1256
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 8: events in that is gonna benefit even more when they

1257
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 8: ever do get called back.

1258
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: Up that's it for The All Ball.

1259
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 3: Podcast we have part two coming where we get even

1260
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 3: deeper into.

1261
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: It that's next. Time I'm Doug gottlieb In this Is

1262
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: All ball