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Speaker 1: A little bit of a flu game for me today.

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Speaker 2: there anyway, getting extra stuff, cutting backs like fulish. Baseball's

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Speaker 2: had a great video about good Freddie Freeman is running

432
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Speaker 2: the bases. That goes to show you can be old

433
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Speaker 2: and you could not be fast. You can still run

434
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Speaker 2: the bases really well. Turn does none of that. This

435
00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,200
Speaker 2: team is trying to get younger, is trying to get faster,

436
00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:19,880
Speaker 2: is trying to get better defensively, He's trying to get

437
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Speaker 2: more versatile. Turner offered none of that. While we have

438
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Speaker 2: one of the worst parks for right handed power, hither,

439
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Speaker 2: I won't say rightando power hither a right hander with

440
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Speaker 2: fringe power. This doesn't apply to someone like Pee Lonzo.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't apply for a squawberas wouldn't apply the wo hit

442
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Speaker 2: soil air. This applies to a guy with fringe power,

443
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Speaker 2: with a bower rate that's in the thirty percentile, who

444
00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,800
Speaker 2: pulls the ball in average amount hits above average amount

445
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Speaker 2: of fly ball, says blow average ax of velocity. You'll

446
00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:43,560
Speaker 2: you'll get swallowed up here, and he would wind up

447
00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,399
Speaker 2: with like a fifteen home or two sixty average. I

448
00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,280
Speaker 2: just don't I don't think this team really needs that.

449
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Speaker 1: And I think something that Mets fans, especially this offseason,

450
00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,200
Speaker 1: are doing is forgetting like the age of Justin Turner,

451
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Speaker 1: Like this isn't thirty three year old Justin Turner from

452
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Speaker 1: the twenty fifteen playoffs, where like he'd be absolute tormented

453
00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,000
Speaker 1: the Mets. That was ten years ago, Guys, those nine

454
00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,679
Speaker 1: years ago. He is way older now. He is a

455
00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,159
Speaker 1: very different player. You even see it a little bit

456
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Speaker 1: with Jad Martinez and some Mets fans too, where they're like, this,

457
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Speaker 1: gotta get this guy. I'd much rather prefer him obviously

458
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Speaker 1: over Justin Turner because he does still hit the ball

459
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Speaker 1: very hard. But at the end of the day, like

460
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Speaker 1: these players are older, like we don't I don't know

461
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Speaker 1: how many times do we need to see as Mets

462
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Speaker 1: fans signing these old guys. I mean, we just did

463
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Speaker 1: an episode about the worst Mets of all time. Like,

464
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Speaker 1: statistically speaking, there was a world where if Justin Turner

465
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Speaker 1: came back this year based on what he did with

466
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Speaker 1: the Mets the first time, he could have been on

467
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Speaker 1: that list because he would have had like two hundred

468
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Speaker 1: plus games of being a bad hitter possibly with the Mets.

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Speaker 1: And it's because like he's old now, it's just he's

470
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Speaker 1: a different player. And I think I think people just

471
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Speaker 1: kind of get lost in the name sometimes rather than

472
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Speaker 1: seeing what's actually happening.

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Speaker 2: The name and the story just the fact that like

474
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Speaker 2: we can make this right, we blew this no you

475
00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,040
Speaker 2: just blew it. Sometimes you have to just move on

476
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Speaker 2: when you failed.

477
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Speaker 1: And they didn't even blow it. He was bad with

478
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Speaker 1: the Mets. He was terrible in the games that he played,

479
00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,440
Speaker 1: so like, wow, he left and went to the Dodgers,

480
00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,200
Speaker 1: who then can literally turn water into wine. Like good

481
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Speaker 1: for the Dodgers, not bad for the Mets. Yeah.

482
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Speaker 2: Again, also just like just sometimes you have to lose

483
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Speaker 2: and move on. It's true about everything in like maybe

484
00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,359
Speaker 2: it's even true by their Mets fandom sometimes. But sometimes

485
00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,800
Speaker 2: you just have to take take your failures, get up,

486
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Speaker 2: dust yourself off, and go on to the next one.

487
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Speaker 2: And I think that's just where it is. Justin Turner.

488
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Speaker 2: I don't think he would have significantly changed the impact

489
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Speaker 2: of this team or the outcomes of this team. It's

490
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Speaker 2: just it's okay, he's on a different team whatever. And

491
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Speaker 2: now we also seeing this when you when I've been

492
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Speaker 2: editing these again, you say a hundred percent so much

493
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Speaker 2: during these podcasts, it's systerical. Do I really you gotta

494
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Speaker 2: keep track?

495
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Speaker 1: I'm sure.

496
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Speaker 2: I mean maybe the listeners know, maybe hit up Mark

497
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Speaker 2: and there going to replies go in the comments. Let's

498
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Speaker 2: listen to how many times Marks is one hundred percent

499
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Speaker 2: because it is hysterical. How many times he says a

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Speaker 2: hundred percent during an episode.

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Speaker 1: Really love, I mean, it's good, it's great. It's a

502
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Speaker 1: good way to explain that you're you're you really mean

503
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Speaker 1: and one hundred percent there.

504
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Speaker 2: One hundred percent can't go higher and Mark won't go lower,

505
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Speaker 2: but won't go lower. Moving on, next thing we got here,

506
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Speaker 2: MLB pipeline Top hundred Prospects came out. I think that

507
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Speaker 2: every single year that MLB pipelines Top hundred Prospects is

508
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,439
Speaker 2: a great exercise because it's of all the people that

509
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Speaker 2: make prospect lists, like very publicly, like the big publications.

510
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Speaker 2: I think it's very much known as the worst. But

511
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Speaker 2: in terms of people who are getting into prospects, getting

512
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Speaker 2: into Dynasty baseball, getting into the game of baseball itself,

513
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Speaker 2: like this is the place that you go the most,

514
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Speaker 2: So it kind of creates this strange difference among where

515
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Speaker 2: people perceive prospects. I think that is kind of a

516
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Speaker 2: fun thing. It's also kind of a weird, harmful thing.

517
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Speaker 2: But in terms of the Mets and four guys in

518
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Speaker 2: the top hundred, Jet Williams of forty five, Drew Gilbert

519
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,040
Speaker 2: of fifty three, Luisa Helicune at sixty six, and Ryan

520
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Speaker 2: Clifford that ninety seven.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you look at the guys that they're around.

522
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Speaker 1: Jet Williams is around Termar Johnson who was at forty four.

523
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Speaker 1: They were both taken in the same draft. Turmar Johnson

524
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Speaker 1: was taking fourth overall. They'd play not the same position,

525
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Speaker 1: which is pretty cool as well, like Jet Williams plays

526
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Speaker 1: shortstop and center field, So that's great if you want

527
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Speaker 1: to talk about just like value from a drafting standpoint,

528
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Speaker 1: the Mets have got similar value out of a guy

529
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Speaker 1: ten picks later in the draft, which is really cool.

530
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Speaker 1: Drew Gilbert is around someone like Matt Shaw, who was

531
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Speaker 1: a top fifteen pick in the draft last year. Chase

532
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Speaker 1: Dolander was I think a top ten pick from the

533
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Speaker 1: Colorado Rockies. Noah Schultz is one of the best pitching prospects.

534
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Speaker 1: Just some guys that are bunched around these players, and

535
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Speaker 1: then Ryan Clifford being like a top one hundred fringe

536
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Speaker 1: prospect guy. Just cool to see because I think there's

537
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Speaker 1: a world where you could leave Ryan Clifford off the

538
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Speaker 1: top one hundred and I wouldn't be upset about it.

539
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Speaker 1: But to see that he's getting the recognition is always

540
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:29,680
Speaker 1: a great thing because we know that the power is

541
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Speaker 1: legit with Ryan Clifford.

542
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Clifford has made and not made some of

543
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Speaker 2: these lists, but those other three mets, Gilbert, Acunya, and

544
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Speaker 2: Jet have all been the top one hundreds of every

545
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Speaker 2: single Actually, Acunya might have missed Baseball America and now

546
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Speaker 2: I'm saying that loud.

547
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Speaker 1: You might have. I'm not sure.

548
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 2: I'm not sure you there kind of forget, but just nevertheless,

549
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 2: it goes to show that last trade deadline I think

550
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 2: so far has been to this point has been successful

551
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 2: getting these guys in the system and also just to

552
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Speaker 2: temper fans expectations because we want every single prospect to

553
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Speaker 2: be a superstar. With think we want every guy to

554
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Speaker 2: be the best, Like when you're a prospect ranked in

555
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 2: this range. And again we're saying this list is not perfect,

556
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 2: but all it's a relatively similar range that these guys

557
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 2: have been everyone. I think Gilbert Jet got into like

558
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Speaker 2: the top thirty of Baseball America. Yeah, I think the

559
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Speaker 2: top forty of Perspectus. But when you're outside of the

560
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 2: top even five prospects, like the Bus Ray is extreme,

561
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 2: and when we say bus rate, that doesn't even mean

562
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 2: like a guy becomes just to give like harrowing examples,

563
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,640
Speaker 2: like even like Tyron Taylor, like that wouldn't even because

564
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 2: of their bus because that's a guy. It's like a

565
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: two whish win player if he was playing six under

566
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 2: player appearances, like Gilbert is like he's like he feels

567
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 2: to me like Nimo did when he was coming up

568
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,439
Speaker 2: as a prospect, where the tools aren't gaudy, but he

569
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 2: doesn't really have a hole. He could play good defense.

570
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 2: And Gilbert more than Nemo's like has like that fire,

571
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 2: that craziness that like people want baseball locker rooms, Like

572
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 2: Jet has crazy upside because he has these insane walk

573
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Speaker 2: rates compared with like relatively low strikeout raids, hits the

574
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 2: ball really hard, especially for his size, and has like

575
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Speaker 2: this premier defensive versatility where he can play the two

576
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 2: most important defense positions on the field arguably well. But

577
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Speaker 2: he's also he's also five to six, so like they're

578
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 2: it's always gonna be limitations with these guys. And I

579
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: think any of these four guys could become a stud

580
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 2: based on naturally the law of averages, Like one of

581
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 2: these four won't be a good major leaguer. It just

582
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 2: has to be true. Like, I hope they're all good

583
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 2: right now. I think they're all gonna be at least

584
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: good Major leaguers. But law of average, yeah, four, I

585
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 2: mean someone's gonna have to miss. Maybe to the guys

586
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Speaker 2: mind up, Okay, maybe one of the guy makes an

587
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 2: All Star team. But it is good that these lists

588
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 2: keep coming out and these very smart people in the

589
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 2: scouting in the prospect world keep putting the Mets in

590
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 2: a good spot. Here.

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Speaker 1: I just looked back at like twenty twenty one's top

592
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Speaker 1: one hundred from Pipeline. We'll say Pipeline has definitely I

593
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Speaker 1: think gotten better in their evaluation as well of prospects.

594
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Speaker 1: But like it's just funny revisionist history. Twenty twenty one,

595
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Speaker 1: Corbyn Carroll forty seven, Francisco Avres forty eight. You then

596
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Speaker 1: had Nick Madrigal ranked at number forty, which is just

597
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Speaker 1: like insane, Like you were trying to tell me that

598
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: Nick Madrigal like, and again that's kind of where Pipeline

599
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 1: gets a little confusing. Is Nick Madrigal was probably always

600
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Speaker 1: gonna be a major league player just because he didn't

601
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: strike out and had a good field tool, but like

602
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, he never had the

603
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: ceiling that Corbyn Carrol had and he never had the

604
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Speaker 1: sea their Francisco Alvarez, what have you.

605
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Speaker 2: Either, No, totally. I think Also that's where pipeline gets

606
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 2: screwed up is because most of the other projection prospect

607
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: rankings have like a clear like ethos, like Baseball America

608
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 2: kind of loves like floor baseball perspectives, I feel like,

609
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 2: goes for traits and they use a little more advanced

610
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: like methodology and getting their stuff like pitch design. Where perspectus,

611
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: it's like, here's some high draft picks. Here's some guys

612
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 2: who I think we have think of high ceilings. Here's

613
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 2: some guy with some high floors. And then here's another

614
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: guy who ranked seventy four last year and he played okay,

615
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 2: so we have to keep him in the seventies. It's

616
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Speaker 2: just like it feels like they're working against themselves more

617
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: than they're like objectively ranking these prospects, and you see

618
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 2: less updates from them, so it's easier to like hold them,

619
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Speaker 2: like hold them accountable for this because they're doing less

620
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 2: and less turnover with these lists. Opposed to Baseball America

621
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Speaker 2: I think was doing monthly last year and perspectives who

622
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Speaker 2: does a time or two years. Same with fangrafts. So

623
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Speaker 2: it's easy to say that Baseball movie pipelines and perfect

624
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 2: with these rankings, but also you look at these you're like,

625
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Speaker 2: I can't even for a second comprehend why this guy's

626
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Speaker 2: higher than that guy.

627
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, totally. And like part of it too is

628
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: they're like working with major League Baseball. There's been a

629
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Speaker 1: clear pushed by Major League Baseball in general to be

630
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: talking about prospects more and a lot of the guys

631
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: on these lists like are gonna be taken off within

632
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Speaker 1: a week, Like Brian Rokio is like ninety four on

633
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Speaker 1: the on the Cleveland Guardians right now, and he's gonna

634
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Speaker 1: be their opening day shortstop most likely. So it's like

635
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Speaker 1: there's a little bit of hype being involved to in

636
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: these young players and trying to build them up to

637
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Speaker 1: as well. Regardless, Met's have four guys, they're always a

638
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: good thing, especially from a farm system that even just

639
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago was considered pretty weak. Nice

640
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Speaker 1: to see that they're building it up still.

641
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And another huge part of that is all four

642
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 2: of those guys some assuming Clifford next year will start

643
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 2: in double A rather than like the in Brooklyn where

644
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 2: I really don't don't want to hit anymore. But all

645
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: four of those guys are upper miners guys, which once

646
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Speaker 2: you reach the upper miners and your ranked on these lists,

647
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Speaker 2: you have a significantly higher rate chance of being a

648
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Speaker 2: like a useful big leaguer, which is important. And it's

649
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Speaker 2: also didn't include Christian Scott, who we've talked a lot about. Yes,

650
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Speaker 2: Matt Eddie talked a lot about baseball perspectives, has been

651
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Speaker 2: pushing far up there list, like he's a guy who

652
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Speaker 2: it seems like basically everyone in the whole industry right

653
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Speaker 2: now is very where is going to be a major

654
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Speaker 2: league pitcher depending on the caliber between like a back

655
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 2: end guy and a front end guy somewhere in between.

656
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Speaker 2: And I'm very comfortable Pipeline being the only wants submiss that.

657
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that makes me feel a little bit better, obviously,

658
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Speaker 1: if I'm telling you the truth, it would be a

659
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 1: little scared if they were early to the party with

660
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Speaker 1: Christian Scott.

661
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Speaker 2: Exactly know we're having early anymore. But still moving on here.

662
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: Some other things that happens week in baseball. We've talked

663
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Speaker 2: a lot in the last few weeks about I guess

664
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Speaker 2: me more so I have about like where the Mets

665
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: offense comes in terms of Steamer projections. I've talked to

666
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 2: you guys about who thinks is gonna be good, who

667
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 2: thinks gonna be bad. We've talked about it in terms

668
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 2: of TJ. Stewart, Brett bay Mark Fientos about how they

669
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 2: compare it to other players. The Mets can have two

670
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: other projection systems to come out in the last week,

671
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Speaker 2: and they're the two that are pretty widely known, especially

672
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: Fantasy Baseball circles, as two of the most trustworthy ones.

673
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: One's the Bad X from Derek Carthy and one is

674
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Speaker 2: ATC from Ariel Cohen. ATC has been the best projection

675
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: system as told by Fantasy pros for five years running now,

676
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: but it takes an amalgamation of other projection systems and

677
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 2: kind of spits them all into one.

678
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Speaker 1: Well.

679
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Speaker 2: Derek Carthy's is like an original project system. He puts

680
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Speaker 2: the inputs in himself, He uses sackcast data like he

681
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,959
Speaker 2: creates it. He has the best original projection system, even

682
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 2: though it's worse than ATC, but ATC uses his and

683
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: fixes up a little bit. I wanted to point it

684
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: out because these two are by far the least positive

685
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 2: about the Mets offense so far compared to compared to Steamer,

686
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 2: which is enough for a while. Yeah, I know. It

687
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: was also funny shadow with S and Y because he

688
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 2: feels like us and S and Y are like watching

689
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: each other's content right now. Maybe maybe we're just being

690
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 2: hopeful about it because they've been doing a lot of

691
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 2: things that we've been doing. But well, they they did

692
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 2: a post last week they said Steamer projections that came

693
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: out last week. Steamer projections came out in November, and Andy,

694
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 2: we've been talking about it's in November. S n Y

695
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 2: in their post was like, came out last week. It's

696
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: like this is not true, but yeah, good after it, guys.

697
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: But in the bad X system, which is I like

698
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: the best for hitters, because the only projecting system that

699
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 2: like really folds in stackcast data and really wastes it heavily.

700
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: It only had Lindor, Nemo and Pete as a as

701
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 2: like actually good above average hits for the Mets.

702
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Speaker 1: And I will say, like from a conceptual standpoint, if

703
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Speaker 1: you are talking about like this Mets team, the guys

704
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: I would bet my life on one hundred percent uh

705
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: are going to be better than average hitters that are

706
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: legit good. Those are the three best guys.

707
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Speaker 2: For sure, not even a question. That is the absolute

708
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 2: bona fide truth. And then has Alvarez, who again is

709
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 2: like a twenty two year old catcher as a slightly

710
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 2: better than league g average, but twenty two whome runs

711
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: only four to seventy play appearances. And then it had

712
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: some real stinky stinky projections sign Jeff McNeil, Starling Marte,

713
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: Brett Bayley, and Mark Fiatos. And then compared to ATC

714
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: that was a little less favorable, they had Alparez's ten

715
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: percent better the league average and Neil's ten percent bet

716
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 2: in league gaverage. Even DJ Stewart is better than the

717
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 2: league average. And then Marte, Fiandos and Bathy all like

718
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: right there next to league gaverage, so a little different. Again,

719
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Speaker 2: ATC year over year has been more accurate than the

720
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: bad X. Again, this is probably some advanced jargon law.

721
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Speaker 2: You guys are fifteen seconds skipping right all the way

722
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Speaker 2: through because you will give a shit about some Stuart

723
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: projection systems. But it just just another bring another thing

724
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Speaker 2: into the pie to look up look at what this

725
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: offense could be.

726
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: And you said, bad X, use a stack cast more right,

727
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: bad Ax?

728
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: You like, wait, stack cast the most and folds it

729
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Speaker 2: into ariginal daya where ATC takes other projection systems and

730
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: kind of puts them together and adds to own thing.

731
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: And to be fair, based on the seasons that we

732
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: saw from those four guys you mentioned as well last year,

733
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Speaker 1: and especially like with the stack Caast data we have

734
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: on Baby and Ventos, it totally makes sense as to

735
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Speaker 1: why I would think they're gonna be stinky because their

736
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: their data has been stinky. Like there's no way around it, totally.

737
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: And these projected systems are always going to be less

738
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: favorable to young hitters and players who just recently graduate

739
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: from being prospects. It's always gonna happen, and like that's

740
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: where you get the biggest pops. That's where these systems

741
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: are wrong more often than not. But it's also where

742
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: these systems kind of fix us as fans and maybe

743
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: fancy players more often than not, because we're gonna be

744
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: way too optimistic about guys like this like so much so,

745
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: but Daniel I'll miss the thing. Like Bobby Witt last

746
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: year they said he was gonna be like barely better

747
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: than the Gaverage who was gonna this year he might

748
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: be like what fifty to fifty, Like he's like, he

749
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: looks like one of the best players in baseball all

750
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: of a sudden, and like sometimes like you could be

751
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: late to that because you were glued to the projections,

752
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: or you can be early to that because you're like,

753
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: fuck the projections. Realistically, we should always be somewhere in

754
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: the middle. None of these are gospel, but they're all

755
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: kind of a useful tool and like how we're looking

756
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 2: at baseball because baseball uses projections, So there are this

757
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: baseball used projections like so hardcore because there's just so

758
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: much data and there's so many games, there's so many

759
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 2: play appearances, and there's so much information and it's so crowdsource.

760
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: Like these are all just people who started doing these

761
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: and then now they've become like for Derek carry The

762
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: atleast like he has like this is his job. It's

763
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: his life now projecting sports making models. And Ariel Cohen

764
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,479
Speaker 2: has done great. He's also a Mets fan, the guy

765
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: who does the ATC projection. He's a Long Island guy.

766
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: He's he's a really funny follow on Twitter because like

767
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 2: ninety eight percent of it is just him being like

768
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 2: a super nerd fancy baseball projections, and then two percent

769
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 2: of it every weekend he shouts out his slow pitch

770
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: softball stats. Well maybe fast pitch care remember, but he

771
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: like he rakes Guy Rakes, So it's really funny and

772
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: he's funny. I met him before. He's like a nice guy.

773
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: Just Ariel Cohen Mets fan. You could probably figure out

774
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: exactly what this guy sounds like it looks like, but

775
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: he's the man. He's really cool and funny follow on Twitter,

776
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: and just these projections are good if you guys want

777
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: to like kind of be a little more like statistical

778
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: and analytical in your baseball analysis. But also if don't

779
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: want to use him, I don't care. I don't hold

780
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: it against you in anyway.

781
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, totally watch the game. See what happens. That's

782
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: really what all. That's something that happened at the end

783
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: of the day.

784
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: That's the Mets vibe this year. Watch the game, have

785
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: some fun.

786
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, watch the game. Gotta love some baseball. Gotta love

787
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: some baseball. I mean, it's just been a weird offseason

788
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: in general, not even just for the Mets, but in

789
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: baseball as a whole. There's a huge problem I think

790
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: going on in Major League Baseball. And I'm assuming you

791
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: agree to James, but the off season sucks, and I

792
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: there it's a problem, the fact that this offseason for

793
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: this sport, which genuinely has the shortest offseason actually out

794
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: of any sport right it feels like the longest by far.

795
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: I think NBA might be surely from when the finals end,

796
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: because that's like what middle of June and they start

797
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: again October.

798
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: I guess technically like most teams season ends in May,

799
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Speaker 1: but the actual NBA doesn't un till like June twenty.

800
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: Eighth, so exactly, and they start like around Halloween. But nevertheless,

801
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: like there's definitely a problem and the major league off season.

802
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: And we kind of hoped as fans that this would

803
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: be solved a little bit, like based on when they

804
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: negotiated the new CBA fe years and it seems like,

805
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: I don't want to say it's gotten worse, because I

806
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: think this is a weird offseason separate from all that stuff,

807
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: but definitely hasn't gotten better. And we're sitting here right

808
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: now talking on January thirtieth next time. I mean, hopefully

809
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: none of these guys signed overnight by the time you

810
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: guys listened to the show. But blakesnew who just won

811
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: the cy Young Jordan Montgomery who was like relatively close

812
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: to winning World Series MVP, Cody Bellinger who just had

813
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: like a six win season, Matt Chapman just had like

814
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Speaker 2: a five six win season, I think seven on Baseball Reference.

815
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Speaker 2: JD Martinez who's been an All Star whte like seven

816
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: times in the last ten years, maybe, and Jorge Solaier,

817
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: who's like become truly one of the best right handed

818
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: power hitters in baseball. None of those guys have teams.

819
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Speaker 2: None of those guys have contracts. None of those guys.

820
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 2: There's really been anything close besides a fake rumor about

821
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: Matt Chapman to the Cubs a few days that was

822
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: really fake, fake as hell got me I today. I

823
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: woke up this morning. I was like, oh, yeah, Matt

824
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: Chapman's a cup. Someone was like, no, he's not. I'm

825
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: like what really? And I looked it up. I was like, oh,

826
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Speaker 2: that was fake, my bad. But pitchers and catchers report

827
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: in two weeks like made we start this season two

828
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: months less, and those guys don't have teams. Those some

829
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Speaker 2: of the best free ages whole off season. It's bizarre.

830
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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the major problems is the fact

832
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Speaker 1: that there is one big guy, and I don't even

833
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: think I like, I respect the hell out of Scott Boris.

834
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Speaker 1: He is the best agent. There is no doubt if

835
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Speaker 1: you were a player, I would want Scott Boris as

836
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Speaker 1: my agent. The guy just gets you the most money.

837
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: It seems like if you are the best player. But

838
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: right now we're getting into that weird spot where guys

839
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: like Cody Bellinger, Blake Snell, Jordan Montgomery, Matt Chapman, and

840
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Speaker 1: Jad Martinez, who are all represented by Scott Boris, are

841
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: not the best players at their position. They are very

842
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: much on the fringe of that like really good tier.

843
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: Blake Snell's the most interesting one because he does have

844
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Speaker 1: those two Cy Young Awards, But even still, there are

845
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: teams who clearly are concerned about what kind of Blake

846
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: smell you're gonna get every single year, because when you

847
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: get one hundred and eighty innings. He's a cy young

848
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Speaker 1: When you don't, he's just a weird little pitcher that's

849
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: kind of not gonna be worth the money you're gonna

850
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: have to pay him. But I think one of the

851
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: big problems is that all this talent is held up

852
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: by the same guy, being Scott Boris, who's trying to

853
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: get the most money for all these guys. And right

854
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: now none of the teams want to give these guys

855
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: any money, so they're not signing because they're not getting

856
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: the contracts that Boris thinks they should. It's such a

857
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: weird like gridlock that we have between teams. Probably being

858
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: smarter than Boris relatively in this one scenario of we'll

859
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: just wait, go ahead, let's bring training come. Your players

860
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: are gonna get frustrated, they're gonna get antsy, and we'll

861
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: sign them for way cheaper.

862
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 2: Calling Blake Snow weird little picture is so mean. He's

863
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: a weird little picture though one twenty two pictures ever

864
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: with two cy youngs. You get that out of your mouth.

865
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: He's amazing weird little picture. He's a strange case. He's

866
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: not weird little picture. He's a great pitcher, but everything

867
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: else is weird. But it's also this used to be

868
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,280
Speaker 2: okay with Boris because this has always been as philosophy

869
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: like way, as long as possible, I don't care. I'm

870
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: gonna get the most money for my guys. Whenever that

871
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: contract comes to me, then I will sign it. I

872
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: will not sign a sept four except for what Steven Drew.

873
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: And Steven Drew is very similar to I'm not gonna

874
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: put him in Blake Snell or Jadie Martinez caause those

875
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: guys have had like elite success for a couple of

876
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: different seasons here and there. But Steven Drew and he

877
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: hit that offseason, remember after the huge years with the Diamondbacks,

878
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: and ended up I think not signing into like mid season,

879
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: maybe with like the Nationals or the Yankees. I don't

880
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: remember where he went first, but it took a while

881
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: for him to sign because he was one of those

882
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: fringe guys whether or not he was actually truly good

883
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: or not. And he was a Boris client I believe

884
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: at the time, and that was like the first time

885
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: I remember being like, whoa a player I thought was good?

886
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: Nobody wants what's going on here?

887
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: I think another part of it that's weird is that

888
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 2: it used to be that Boris was kind of only

889
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: part of this massive amount of ages and players, so

890
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: his philosophy like would stand out, but also things would

891
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: feel like they were moving a little more swiftly, a

892
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: little more naturally, because he wasn't the only agent. But

893
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: right now, like you said, he represents the what six,

894
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: the five, the five biggest free agents left in the market,

895
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 2: besides jorgece Hilaire, who arguably could be outside that top five.

896
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: So there's reasonablieve that the top five guys still out

897
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 2: there are all Scott Boris, and like, if that's the

898
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: philosophy for every single guy, we're totally stuck, like we

899
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: are right now, total molasses. Another part of it, like

900
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 2: you were just talking about, is like this free agency

901
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: didn't really have this super exciting middle class like we

902
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: had show Out and Yamo, who everyone was like, this

903
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: is why the market's held up once these guys go

904
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: like pop the lid off, like we're getting contracts every

905
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: which way, and it just didn't happen at all. Even

906
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: a couple guys who we thought were like some of

907
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 2: the better free agents out there, especially better values Aaron

908
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 2: Ol and Sonny Gray signed in what November? They signed

909
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 2: before Christmas, So that happened. It feels like a lifetime

910
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: ago to those guys got their contracts, and now we're

911
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: in this situation where these guys are just totally stuck

912
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 2: and we're sitting and a couple other parts of that,

913
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 2: it's just that we still have the qualifying offer that's

914
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 2: attached to a couple of these guys, Bellinger, Chapman, Snell.

915
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: So apart from dealing with his agent, who basically is

916
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 2: holding completely firm and steady, you have to decide whether

917
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: this player went obvious flaws Bellinger being that he was

918
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: cut two years ago, that meant being a two years

919
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 2: ago he was horrifically bad, and the whole second half

920
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 2: this year he was horrifically bad. And Blake Snell's only

921
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 2: thrown more than a hundred thirty thing swice entire career.

922
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: Like we're gonna be committing hundreds of millions of dollars

923
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: to these guys. Okay, let's make that decision. But also

924
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 2: now on top of that decision, you have decide whether

925
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: you also want to give up your first round pick

926
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 2: next year, Like that is crazy thing for an organization

927
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: to decide, and then there's so much more goes into this,

928
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 2: and that's why you go through this offseason where basically

929
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: all the fregent deals has been like one year contracts

930
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: are being given out besides some really elite guys, and

931
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: then the only two that really stick out to me

932
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: were I think i'm er Candelario who got three years,

933
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: and Wi the Rodriguez who got four. I think most

934
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: people inside the baseball world would be like, those contracts

935
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: look stupid, Like those contracts I would want to give

936
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: those guys all I don't want to give it. Guess

937
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: four years two years ago he left the Tigers.

938
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: He just left it.

939
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 2: No one talks about that, and he has massive knee issues,

940
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 2: and no one talks about either.

941
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: Because the heart thing too, Like that's that's genuinely scary, legitimately.

942
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: Like the all three of those things have happened well

943
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: like the last five years, and he's got four years

944
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: deal like this. I don't think the last two years

945
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 2: that contract look good at all. Even the first two

946
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 2: look good. He's like strike guys out, like I don't

947
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 2: really trust his skills. And Candelario is fine, he'll probably

948
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 2: mash in Cincinnati, but they have like five young infielders.

949
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: They had a six to the list on a three year.

950
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: All the places you can spend money for the Reds,

951
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: that's what you do. It's like, why why are we

952
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 2: in this spot right now? And then a lot of this,

953
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: I still think will boil right down to the goddamn

954
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 2: CBA they signed where it was a witch hunt out

955
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: for Steve Cohen the New York Mets, and I'll say

956
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 2: it honestly, because they were so scared about this billionaire

957
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: spending all this money and taking advantage of the whole

958
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: league that they added all of these levels of these

959
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: tax lines. And now every team in the league is

960
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 2: scared to pass them because they just saw what happened

961
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: in the Mets last year where they went past all

962
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: this stuff, had to pay one hundred million dollars in

963
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: fees two years ago, the draftic got pushed back, and

964
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: now your team is even good and you're still paying

965
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: these penalties. Luckily, we have an owner who's willing to

966
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: do that and isn't really upset about doing that, and

967
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 2: now we are seeing a readjustment, realignment of strategy. But

968
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 2: most other teams they probably have to close up shop

969
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: if there was something that happened like this.

970
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: And I think another big problem too is that like

971
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: Montgomery we heard wants like twenty plus million dollars a year.

972
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: Blake Snell is gonna want a mega contract. Cody Bounder,

973
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure wants big money too. But all the teams

974
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: that are like legitimate contenders right now are the ones

975
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: that are going to be close to that like penalty

976
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: tax threshold. The Rays are not spending any money. They're

977
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: one of the few teams that's not going to be.

978
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: The Oriels aren't spending any money. They're one of the

979
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: few teams that aren't going to be. But for the

980
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: teams that are bad, none of these guys make you

981
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: particularly better immediately right now to a point where you

982
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: all of a sudden want to go for it. So

983
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: it's just like a combination of bad free agent market

984
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: right now. The players there are good, but they're not great.

985
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: They're not amazing, they're not game changers per se. They

986
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: don't change the outlook of your organization. And the fact

987
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: that the CBT threshold thing is a real, real problem,

988
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: and this is probably why the players were a little

989
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: bit scared, why they were like, we can't sign these

990
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: deals because we're gonna get screwed, and we're seeing it

991
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: happen right.

992
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: Now totally, and that's becoming again like this middle class

993
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 2: of free agencies year doesn't even exist. And we've talked

994
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: about before that it feels like in baseball right now,

995
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: a lot of organizations have this hive mind where everyone

996
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 2: has their own type of war that they use to

997
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: evaluate player value. Everyone has probably their own stuff models

998
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: where they used to evaluate pitchers and their pitches to

999
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: see what they what their pitches actually are and how

1000
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 2: they project them to be in the future. And every

1001
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: single team kind of just uses their own projection system,

1002
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 2: even as broadly as that, like they kind of everyone

1003
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: is kind of on the same page. But every free

1004
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: agent these days, whereas if you go back even five

1005
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: and ten years, a guy like Jordan Montgomery, who just

1006
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 2: like crushed the playoffs, was like a key contributor in

1007
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 2: the second half after a big trade to get a

1008
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 2: team over the finish line, like someone would have ponied

1009
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: up like the two hundred male and been an idiot,

1010
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 2: like someone would have done that. Cody Bellinger, a guy

1011
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: who like was an MVP candidate, died came almost all

1012
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 2: the way back, but the underlying day it didn't really

1013
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: support as far back as it came. Some team would

1014
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: have been like, I don't care about those stupid numbers,

1015
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 2: Like I see the guy that he is, Like I

1016
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 2: know he's still in the Rockies. I know he's still

1017
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: in the MVP candidate. Even the Rockies have analytics guys now,

1018
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: like the last year they've gotten like seven of them

1019
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: in the building there, Like, I know he can be

1020
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: the guy he is. Like someone will look at Matt Chapman,

1021
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: like watch his defensive highlights and like, like, guy's a

1022
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: good baseball face. Look a his glove a third, Like

1023
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: look at that power, Like how hard these swings, Like

1024
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 2: I'd love to do that. But we all not. We

1025
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: all like all the teams now kind of have the

1026
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: same idea, but every guy. So it's just this pure impasse.

1027
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 2: And you were talking about it before kind of the

1028
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: teams are going forward and the teams they're not. Like

1029
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 2: I actually went wrote down where every single team is

1030
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: in terms of the thresholds, and the only teams right

1031
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 2: now over the competitive balanced tax line are the Mets,

1032
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: the Dodgers, the Yankees, the Phillies, the Astros, and the Braves.

1033
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 2: I think basically all of those could have been guessed,

1034
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: mostly besides in the fact the Red Sox don't care

1035
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 2: about money anymore, and the Blue Jays and the Rangers

1036
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: are really really close, but the Rangers are gotten screwed

1037
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: by their TV contract. We're going to talk to you

1038
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: a little bit after this as well. And now the Braves,

1039
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: the Yankees, the Dodgers, and the Mets the only teams

1040
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 2: were even over that first penalty tier, which is twenty

1041
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: million dollars higher in the line, and this year the

1042
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 2: line is two hundred and thirty seven million dollars. Those

1043
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: the only teams have payrolls over two hundred fifty seven

1044
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: million dollars. And then the Yankees, the Dodgers, and the

1045
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: Mets are the only team over the next year where

1046
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 2: Atlanta is nine million dollars short, which is that like

1047
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 2: nine million dollars short. Is like they're like, we could

1048
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: get one more guy, we could get one more player,

1049
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: we could get another reliever, we can get another like

1050
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: fringe bat, we get another fringe arm, like we know

1051
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: we have it built in right now to get one

1052
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: more guy. Maybe they're waiting for the trade deadline. Maybe

1053
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: they're gonna wait for a contract before the ends of

1054
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: free agency. Maybe that, but that's like a very obvious

1055
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 2: amount of money that they're right they're close to. And

1056
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: then the Todgers and the Mets the only teams over

1057
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 2: the fourth tier, which I think is like what like

1058
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: I think it's like one hundred percent tax or something

1059
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 2: like that. Steve Colten taxes, Steve Coen tacks, and the

1060
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: Yankees are three million dollars short of that line, which

1061
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,959
Speaker 2: is not an accident that they're only three million dollars

1062
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: short of that line and seem to not really be

1063
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: going for these other guys. They're as good as the

1064
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: team as they believe they can be up against that

1065
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 2: third line, and they're like, if we want to blow

1066
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 2: out of the water, we can blow out of the water.

1067
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 2: Because they did go for ya mother, They've been loosely

1068
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 2: linked to Blake Snell, so they're aware that they're gonna

1069
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: either stay directly as close as lines they could possibly

1070
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: get or just steamroll and go all the way. So

1071
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 2: clearly these teams that are as competitive World Series aspirations,

1072
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: like I'm talking about the Astros, the Braves, the Yankees,

1073
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: the Phillies, they've gone to these lines and they have stopped.

1074
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 2: And that's a big reason for that is because they've

1075
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 2: added these different luxury tax penalty lines in the CBA.

1076
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 2: Another huge part of this, which sucks because I hated

1077
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: so much, is the fucking expanded playoffs Because now, especially

1078
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: seeing the last few years, the Phillies, the Diamondbacks of Padres,

1079
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: these teams, the Rangers, the Rangers, why why am I

1080
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: building the best team I can for the regular season?

1081
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: Why do I care about being the one, two or

1082
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: three seeds? Why do I care about winning my There's

1083
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: such a lower bar to reach right now to making

1084
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: the playoffs, Like I need eighty five wins basically to

1085
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: get into the dance. And all I to do is

1086
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 2: get into the dance, then really anything could happen.

1087
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: And to be an eighty five win team, I know this.

1088
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: The Rangers, like they spent a lot of money, but

1089
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: if you look at where they spent their money, it

1090
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: was on the best players at their position. Like they

1091
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: didn't really waste money on bad players per se, for

1092
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: any of these bad positions, but like to build an

1093
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: eighty five win team versus a one hundred win team,

1094
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: the money difference is massive. You can't. It's really really hard.

1095
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: That's why when the Rays do it, it's so insane.

1096
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: But you can't really build one hundred win team and

1097
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: not spend a lot of money. It's almost impossible.

1098
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: No, that's also why the Mets contract right now, the

1099
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 2: Mets system situation seems like shit because we're spent th

1100
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: range of money dollars. The team is really basically a

1101
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 2: five hundred team. We really wish it could be better.

1102
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 2: But with the playoffs situation, and with the fact that

1103
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: these teams are kind of changing their approach, and with

1104
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: the fact that, like I said, the Mets are kind

1105
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: of chilling right now and the Padres are chilling right now.

1106
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: Is two of the teams that were driving this market

1107
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 2: mostly the last two years. They're trying to find the

1108
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: name of the Padres owner that passed away. I can't

1109
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: remember it, Peter. I can't remember his name, Peter Sidler.

1110
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: Peter Sidler passed away. It seemed like that was kind

1111
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: of a big reason they were pushing so hard, and

1112
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 2: now sadly he has passed away, and now it's not

1113
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 2: happening anymore. Like, those are two of the teams that

1114
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 2: were as aggressive in this market of the last two

1115
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: years are no longer inside of it. That changes the

1116
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 2: market dramatically. And then we have the Blue Jays who

1117
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: really tried for big fish and they've missed every every

1118
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: which way. They just just said, just got Justin Turner

1119
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: and Isaiah kenaer Fleffa as the guys they're filling in

1120
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: the rest of their infield with, which is like, are

1121
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 2: you guys like Cody Balandari is still good fit for them?

1122
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: We don't know if that's gonna work. And again, they're

1123
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: like really really close to that first tax line, so

1124
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 2: they're willing to go over it, but they haven't. Philly

1125
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: spent huge the last few years, but their roster fields

1126
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 2: complete to them and they have stopped. Now they got

1127
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: Trey Turner, Bryce Harper, Aaron Ola, Zach Wheeler all locked up.

1128
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 2: I just know Wheeler only one more year. And then

1129
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: that kind of leaves the only teams right now that

1130
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: are like actually in the mix and not pushing up

1131
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: against one of these tax tiers are the Cubs, the Giants,

1132
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 2: and the Rangers, who I think have been teams that

1133
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 2: are really connected to a lot of these free agents

1134
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: that are still kind of like fietsing around out there.

1135
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: But then we got to talk about the fact that

1136
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: half the teams in baseball are losing their cable television race.

1137
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 2: Ye by the end of next season. It's happening to

1138
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: the Padres, the Diamondbacks, the Rockies, the Twins, the Rangers,

1139
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 2: the Guardians, the Royals, the Reds, the Angels, the Braves,

1140
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 2: which is crazy to me, the Tigers, the Marlins, the Cardinals,

1141
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 2: the Rays, and the Brewers.

1142
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: Although what has this changed? Because I think Amazon stepped

1143
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: in and bought Bally out.

1144
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: I think, well, I know that Bally that was the

1145
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: end of their bankruptcy restructure, so I know they bought

1146
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: them out, but I still don't know exactly what the

1147
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 2: terms are of what those teams are guessing maybe that

1148
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: deal had a lot to do with the astrosk kind

1149
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 2: of stepping into eleventh hour and giving Hater that huge contract.

1150
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe they knew the Rangers had like three weeks

1151
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 2: until they knew their TV money was going to come

1152
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: in because this look, this cable TV money for these

1153
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 2: teams are like tens of millions of dollars a year,

1154
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 2: like this was a huge part of their bottom lines,

1155
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: and we're lucky as Mets fans that this is not

1156
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 2: affecting us because we have smy still, like, we don't

1157
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 2: know what the future of sports on television is going

1158
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 2: to be, especially local cable networks. But again, luckily it's

1159
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 2: not affecting us. But I just mentioned half the league

1160
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 2: that basically lost tens of millions dollars out of the

1161
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: bottom line heading into this offseason, and I'm certain that

1162
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: affected the way they went about free agency.

1163
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: So I'm looking up. There's an article from The New

1164
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: York Post back in twenty twenty one that mentioned that essentially,

1165
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: like when the will Ponds were still owning the Mets

1166
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: and owned S and Y, as they still do S

1167
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: and Why is what made all the money for them. Essentially,

1168
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 1: it's kind of what allowed them to continue to own

1169
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: the Mets was having S and Y. That S and

1170
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 1: Y was guary generating one hundred and fifty million dollars

1171
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: a year in pure profits back in twenty twenty one.

1172
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: And these are sens which regional sports networks for those

1173
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: of you, they these contracts are huge. It's a big

1174
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: reason why copyright stuff on the internet with like these

1175
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: clips of these games are so important is because these

1176
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: companies spend so much money to be the exclusive rebroadcast

1177
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: or broadcasters of these games and these clips. So that's

1178
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 1: why they was always such a big deal, and that's

1179
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: why there are blackouts is because of how much money

1180
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: is in these deals.

1181
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: And again, I don't think that the details of the

1182
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: Amazon dealer are out. I think it only happened like

1183
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, which does actually really coincide

1184
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: with that Hayter thing, which is kind of funny. But

1185
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: maybe that's a new way for these teams to get

1186
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: their revenue back, but definitely really hasn't happened yet.

1187
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: What Wow, Okay, I'm reading more of this. S and

1188
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: Y it says also benefits from super low costs via

1189
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: a sweet deal to pay the Mets a below market

1190
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: price of about eighty five million dollars a year for

1191
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: its rights to the games. So basically, the Willponds created

1192
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: a cheap deal for S and Y so that they

1193
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: can make Wow. That's super interesting? Is this? Like? Is

1194
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 1: this allowed? But it seems like they were paying less

1195
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: to the from the media company that they owned to

1196
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: the team that they own, so that it seems like

1197
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,439
Speaker 1: they could seem like they're generating more profits to maybe

1198
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: make S and Y seem more profitable because they just they.

1199
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: Owned it themselves. They gave themselves a good deal.

1200
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: Yes, they gave themselves a good deal to them make

1201
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: it seem like they're making more profit. I mean, I'm

1202
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: gonna say this, props to them. It's great. That's a

1203
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: great move. That's a baller move right there. But also

1204
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: it's fucking us right now because it sounds like the

1205
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: Mets rights for the games for the year could be

1206
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 1: making way more money for the team.

1207
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 2: Fucking billionaires. Man, they always have an angle. I can't

1208
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 2: for god, they're so ridiculous.

1209
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: But yeah, but eighty five million dollars a year goes

1210
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: to the Mets because of that, so imagine and apparently

1211
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: that's below market price, so imagine what this means to

1212
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: all these other teams as well.

1213
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it means a lot. And again, we are lucky

1214
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 2: as a message. We had this deal that was with ourselves,

1215
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 2: like we were able to produce and do these games

1216
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: and like a way that was symbiotic, whereas these other

1217
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: teams were using this larger company Baalleies that just went under,

1218
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: just went under it. Now they're gonna under the umbrel

1219
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: of Amazon, which is cut throat. We don't know what

1220
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: that looks like yet. And again, we're not gonna poor

1221
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: you guys talking about this a lot because one we

1222
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: don't super understand it. We're not like cable or media experts.

1223
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: And two, it luckily doesn't affect the Mets. So if

1224
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: you're coming here from Mets content, you probably don't really

1225
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: care too much about this. But just as a way

1226
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: of describe why this offseason sucks, it's a huge part

1227
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 2: of the equation that you can overlook.

1228
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: Hey, I do say it, oh my god, but really

1229
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: like it's just there. There is a problem though, because

1230
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have Shoheo Tani and Bryce Harper and

1231
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: Juan Soto every single offseason. It's just not gonna happen. Yeah,

1232
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: and especially now with these younger players. A lot of

1233
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: the better younger players being Latin, and we've seen that

1234
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: Latin players, and this is just this is just a thing,

1235
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 1: like look back in the history, players not born in

1236
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: America that are Latin, they typically don't hit free agency,

1237
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: like Juan Soto is doing a rare thing right now

1238
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: where he's gonna hit free agency as Dominican born player

1239
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: and look for big, big money. But like Ron Dekunya

1240
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: Junior signed that contract early to make sure he got

1241
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: that money. Luo Rodriguez signed that contract early. Luis Robert

1242
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: signed a contract early with the White Sox. Like you

1243
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: look at all the big Latin players, their first contract

1244
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: typically doesn't come from free agency. They're usually pretty active

1245
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: in trying to make sure that they get that money

1246
00:49:58,680 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: upright up front.

1247
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 2: I'm even right now trying to think besides Sotani, who

1248
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: was the last foreign born player to actually reach free agency.

1249
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 2: I don't really count Lindor because he went through the draft.

1250
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: I'm someone who is an international signing.

1251
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: I guess he was also one overall pick.

1252
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 2: Dever's got an extension, never reached free agency. Mother Japanese different,

1253
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: someone who came through international free agency. Bogarts were Bogarts?

1254
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: Was he guards was? Yeah, he was an international signing. Okay,

1255
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: that's a good one.

1256
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: That's good.

1257
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: He's he had a contract from the Red Sox first though,

1258
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: he took he took an early contract from them as well,

1259
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: so he hit free agency. I think like two years

1260
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: later than he would have.

1261
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: But it is fascinating if you guys like using these

1262
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: contract tools, and I kind of like this kind of conversation

1263
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 2: and going spow track. I know some people use COT's contracts.

1264
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: I like spo track to have a much easier table

1265
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 2: to just sort players in baseball by their aa V.

1266
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 2: If you sort the league by its AAV like you,

1267
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 2: you're not going to find a Latin Boorn player who

1268
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 2: changed teams in free agency. It was trade, it was

1269
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: an extension. Jose Mirez never reached free agency. Edwin kind

1270
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 2: of reached agency, but not really. Jose Brady, but that

1271
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 2: was different.

1272
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: That's why it makes it so fucked what the Braves do,

1273
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: even more, signing like Matt Olsen should have hit free agency,

1274
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: Austin Riley should hit free agency. All these guys should

1275
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: be hitting free agency, and they still signed him for

1276
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: so cheap. It's frustrating in this.

1277
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 2: But it just kind of goes to show that the

1278
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 2: ecosystem of Major League Baseball, the business side, is not

1279
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 2: really great, and it hasn't been it seems like for

1280
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 2: a while.

1281
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: And it's great for the teams, not great for the players.

1282
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not great for the players. I should simply

1283
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: it's not great for the players, and the situation where

1284
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: right now is just like everyone's kind of chilling. They're

1285
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 2: just resting back in their billions. They're making their profits,

1286
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 2: like let's try to win eighty seven games like that

1287
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 2: kind down of Mets are going into the season, which

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00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 2: I guess we'll bring us little. So it's the last

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00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 2: thing we want to talk about this episode, which is

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00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 2: just the I'll talk about. This is like the finger

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00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 2: on the pulse right now between the Mets organization and

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00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 2: just like where the fans are and Tim Britton, who's

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00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: long time been one of the best beat riders of

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00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 2: any I think of any team, any sport in the country.

1295
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 2: Now he works for the Athletic got to know him

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00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 2: last year a little. He's a great guy.

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Speaker 1: He wrote.

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00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 2: He's in our circle of trust of Mets right along

1299
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 2: with uh Is Britain. I will say Disha, but she's

1300
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: national writer. Now. I guess the como still is. He's

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00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 2: still a good right now.

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00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: Como doesn't do a lot of opinion stuff. He kind

1303
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: of just tells you what it is.

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00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got he's got the stank of Major League

1305
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: Baseball on him, so he kind of has to be

1306
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: a propaganda man. And then our boy Tim Healey, of course, yes,

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00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 2: I think we might be forgetting pat Rickazzo is still good,

1308
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: but I don't know how mass I don't know where.

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00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 2: Shout out.

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00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: Shout out Tim for hosting the Baseball Writers Awards the

1311
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: other night. Did a great job.

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00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: Will Sam is also great. Hopefully Tim and Will Salmon

1313
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 2: and people we've gotten a built relationships with will come

1314
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 2: on this podcast soon. Hopefully are on spring training when

1315
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 2: you kind of want to hear what the beat writers

1316
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 2: are seeing, saying, seeing, doing all that stuff. But Tim

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00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 2: Briton did an amazing Mets fans survey on the Athletic.

1318
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 2: If you guys have an Athletic subscription, check it out because

1319
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: it is hysterical. So this survey opens up with what

1320
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 2: was your favorite moment of the twenty twenty three season,

1321
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 2: and the top answer, as bothered by Mets fans was

1322
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 2: when it ended. And you guys might think, Okay, that

1323
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 2: makes sense, that's pretty funny, ha ha ha. But the

1324
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: best part of this comes from the second question at

1325
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 2: Tim Britton asked when did you check out the twenty

1326
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 2: twenty three season, and fifty percent of Mets fans on

1327
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,919
Speaker 2: this survey said I washed until the bitter end, which

1328
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 2: if there isn't something that describes how much of fucking

1329
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: sickos we are, the cult that we're in, the toxic

1330
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 2: relationship that we bound ourselves to, that is it. My

1331
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: favorite part was when the season ended and I watched

1332
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 2: every game.

1333
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: Masochists. We're masochists. We're like, we know it's gonna be bad,

1334
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: but I gotta see it. I gotta make sure it's

1335
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: bad because if I know what, if it was.

1336
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: Good and I missed it, No, exactly, I don't want

1337
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: to miss anything. Pure masscism right there. And also part

1338
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 2: of that is just the fact that, like right now,

1339
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 2: it seems like most Mets fans are not tremendously excited

1340
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 2: about this team. I think we're in the minority where

1341
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 2: we're like we just kind of want to see some ball.

1342
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 2: Like I want to see a team grind. I want

1343
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 2: to see if a player can exceed their expectations. I

1344
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 2: want to see if we could find bullpen stuff, Like

1345
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 2: I want to try and go five hundred and see

1346
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 2: if we could steal a few games and make the playoffs.

1347
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: Like we're in the minority being like we just love

1348
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 2: baseball so much, or like I just want to see

1349
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 2: baseball front of my face. I don't really care what

1350
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 2: else happening, Like, I want to see a bat in

1351
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 2: a ball and a mound and a glove and a

1352
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 2: diamond and dirt right so badly, that's the only thing

1353
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 2: I want. I think most fans aren't like that.

1354
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: Because the average fans goes, well, you didn't sign on TONI,

1355
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: you didn't sign I'm a mooto, you didn't sign anybody? Like,

1356
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: what are we doing with this?

1357
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 2: From the same Tim Britain article. I want to go

1358
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 2: through a couple more of these survey results before we

1359
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 2: end here, because it's it's truly hilarious. I listen, I

1360
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 2: love Mets fans so much, the best, we're the best

1361
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 2: people on earth.

1362
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: I didn't see any of the other ones here, so

1363
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 1: this will be a pure reaction.

1364
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 2: Another one, how would you grade David Stearn's first off

1365
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 2: season's president Baseball Operations? Guess what grade? And this was

1366
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 2: This was the best grade by fifteen percentage points, so

1367
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 2: it would have a pretty large margin. Guess what was

1368
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 2: the number one grade? Given I think they're gonna go

1369
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 2: see it was a B? Whoa okay? And said B?

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00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 2: And also I think this Mets fans as described to

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00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 2: the Athletics. I'm sure it's a little bit of a

1372
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 2: Mets fans were a little more in tune bread, a

1373
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 2: little bit more like do stuff like that.

1374
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: Vote.

1375
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 2: But the other part of this is okay, So B

1376
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 2: came in first, C plus came in second, C came

1377
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: in third, B plus came in fourth, and then six

1378
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 2: percent of Mets fans respond to F. Two percent of

1379
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 2: Mets fans respond to A, so three times as many

1380
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: Mets fans think David Starns gets an F so far

1381
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 2: compared to an A, which that's amazing. It's my favorite

1382
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: thing about the Mets. How do you feel about the

1383
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 2: hiring Carls Mendoze's manager. Seventy three percent said indifferent.

1384
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. I think that's totally fair.

1385
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 2: It's a great one. Thirteen percent on the other side,

1386
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 2: let's see, let's give me some other ones here that

1387
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: were funny signed short term dage people. Just this is

1388
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 2: a good one. Do you have a strong preference for

1389
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 2: a DH option for the Mets? It was so laire

1390
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 2: j D Martinez Justin Turner. Thirty percent said any of

1391
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 2: the above. I don't care, just give me somebody, which

1392
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 2: is great. And then besides that, none of these were

1393
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 2: really great. Besides one more than made me laugh, which

1394
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 2: was which was the free agent acquisition for the Mets

1395
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 2: that you were most excited for? Very obviously, I think

1396
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 2: thirty four percent of Mets fans said Luis Severino. What

1397
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 2: came in second is something that's become I think, a

1398
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 2: little famous on Mets Twitter, especially responding to the Mets

1399
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 2: official tweets this year. It was the mad Max that's

1400
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: bait meme, which is under like a lot of the

1401
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 2: Mets post this offseason. I've been seen in the round.

1402
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: I don't know twenty percent you know that's bait? That one?

1403
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:54,919
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, yes.

1404
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 2: Twenty seven percent of Mets fans said that was the

1405
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 2: that was their second favorite off season acquisition. So nice, Yeah,

1406
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 2: shout out to him, Britain. I think that. I think

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00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 2: it was a great piece. Also least I thought that

1408
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 2: was interesting. How do you feel about Pilanza for a

1409
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 2: long term contract fifty five percent, pay whatever it takes

1410
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 2: and if Pilonzo is not a man twenty twenty five,

1411
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 2: how you feel fifty percent devastated, forty five percent mildly disappointed.

1412
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 2: Five percent. I'm okay.

1413
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: I mean, to be honest, I'm in that same boat,

1414
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 1: like I want Pete back so badly, but I'm also

1415
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: in the same boat. If you're not getting paid Fredie

1416
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 1: Freeman money, that's not happening.

1417
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 2: No, but again, I love you guys, Mets fans, like

1418
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,760
Speaker 2: we are the best, like there's no one better than sports,

1419
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 2: and where sick in the head. We're We're completely fucked up,

1420
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 2: and it's I won't want it any other way.

1421
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: No. I mean, I've I haven't made any content like

1422
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: a week because I've been sick, and I'm like, got

1423
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: I make sure I'm ready for the podcast though, so

1424
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: I can talk about Adam Montovino and Justin Turner and

1425
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: prospects and why the offseason sucks for an hour. We

1426
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: thought there's gonna be a short one. We're not. It's

1427
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: not possible for us. When me and James get talking baseball,

1428
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: it's an hour. It's an hour guaranteed, and that's fine.

1429
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 2: I prefer to a podcast that takes a little longest.

1430
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 2: You guys are something more to listen to.

1431
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but guys, as always, we really appreciate you. Thank

1432
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 1: you so much for listening to this week's episode, I'm

1433
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: feeling a little bit better, so you should start to

1434
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: see a little bit more content on TikTok and Instagram

1435
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: and YouTube this upcoming week and moving forward. Make sure

1436
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: you're following us on all our social media at met

1437
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: st up on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok. What were gonna say, James.

1438
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I think Mark and I are

1439
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 2: gonna have a TikTok race Where so far since beve independent,

1440
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 2: I think Mark's made one. I think I've made like nine.

1441
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

1442
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 2: We're gonna have a TikTok Grace.

1443
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll catch up quickly. It's just, you know, I've

1444
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: been doing things so but uh yeah, I got nothing else, James,

1445
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: Where can they follow you on Twitter? James on just

1446
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: Courseiano major raftneck Mark with a C. Thank you guys

1447
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: for listening, Thank you for watching, and we'll catch you

1448
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: on the next episode.

1449
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 2: Peace out, peace out, see you guys next time.

1450
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: And then a love and then loves, then loves, loves,