Speaker 1: All right, welcome to episode thirty four of The Bobby
Speaker 1: Cast with songwriter artist friend of a lot of friends
Speaker 1: who have been on this show already, like like we
Speaker 1: have an odd circle that we've never actually met before.
Speaker 1: I feel like, I know you've become such a huge fan.
Speaker 1: Natalie Himby is here, but um yeah, most of the
Speaker 1: most of our friends have been in that chair, so
Speaker 1: it's nice to finally have you here. I know, I
Speaker 1: feel like it's all warmed up for me, so which
Speaker 1: is good. I should just get this out of the way.
Speaker 1: I've seen you out before, but been a little intimidated
Speaker 1: to come up and say hello, Oh my goodness, because
Speaker 1: you have one of those presences about you. Well, it's
Speaker 1: just if you. I'm sure people would say the same
Speaker 1: about you, though, Like I don't go out either. This
Speaker 1: was an anomaly. If you saw me out, it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, a songwriter or you know, one of the
Speaker 1: industry events, and I was like, I don't want to go.
Speaker 1: I just feel like I bother people. So I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan, Like I'm a big fan of yours. Can
Speaker 1: bother me anytime. I will bother you after this a lot. So, uh,
Speaker 1: Natalie's here, we have a lot to talk about because
Speaker 1: when we lined up and started doing these um thirty
Speaker 1: four episodes ago, we pick like ten people that we
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to, and it was you were on
Speaker 1: the list, and I was like, Caitlin Smith and Marin
Speaker 1: and you have people that I'm close to that I
Speaker 1: know have really great stories, and throughout all of this
Speaker 1: you can see all of those. But it's an odd
Speaker 1: time because since then you also have a record too,
Speaker 1: So we have so much to talk about. We have
Speaker 1: so much to talk about it. So, yes, I have
Speaker 1: some great stories too. So let's start from the very beginning. Yes,
Speaker 1: let's start from I want to run through, but just
Speaker 1: just so everybody gets hooked real quick. I want to
Speaker 1: play quickly all six of your number ones in a
Speaker 1: very quick montage, and then I want to break down
Speaker 1: your whole life and make you cry. It's really all right,
Speaker 1: Natalie Hanby's here. Uh. Number ones include Miranda White liar,
Speaker 1: your fingers still pops? You still like that one? Huh?
Speaker 1: I love it still. That's cool. It's because some artists
Speaker 1: will be like, I'm so tired of it. You know, yes,
Speaker 1: but I saw your finger pop immediately. That's so cool
Speaker 1: when someone still loves it after that long. But I
Speaker 1: haven't heard in a while. I was like, this sounds
Speaker 1: pretty damn good. How about this one downtown lady A
Speaker 1: I don't know why, take me down town anywhere? Also
Speaker 1: a little big town Pontoon, catch Tornado, a little big
Speaker 1: town Miranda Automatic. By the way, you won the a
Speaker 1: c M, nominated for CMA, not only for a Grammy
Speaker 1: have songer that you're on this one right right? That's
Speaker 1: all that right? Yes, okay, that's back. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: a c M, and then nominated for Graham It one
Speaker 1: for a c M. Yeah, and then justin Moore, you
Speaker 1: look like I need a drink. Look black And that's
Speaker 1: just the surface, just wonderybody know what kind of powerhouse?
Speaker 1: That's why I'm intimidated quite frankly, oh my goodness, not
Speaker 1: at all like I feel like you and I could
Speaker 1: be completely wrong on this, but because you know how
Speaker 1: you see people through your eyes like I, I look
Speaker 1: at other people through my experiences and judge them based
Speaker 1: on that, right, and since I am at times a
Speaker 1: very vulnerable creator, I look at someone like you and go, man,
Speaker 1: what what's hurt to do? All of that and to
Speaker 1: see your catalog it's kind of crazy. You know what,
Speaker 1: I don't really know, I, um, you know what I've
Speaker 1: been writing. I've literally got my first publition do when
Speaker 1: I was nineteen, and um I started with Barbara Overson
Speaker 1: still working music group, which there's a funny story story there.
Speaker 1: Literally I thought for years that Roy Overson was blind,
Speaker 1: and I was like, because he had the glasses. Barbara,
Speaker 1: I was like, Barbara, tell me when it was you know,
Speaker 1: what's it like living with someone who's blind, Like what
Speaker 1: kind of challenges did Roy have? And she was like,
Speaker 1: not to leave he was not blind because she's German
Speaker 1: or whatever. But I, you know, I've just been writing
Speaker 1: songs for so long. I never thought, honestly, I would
Speaker 1: be doing country music because, um, well, first of all,
Speaker 1: my whole family is in the music business. My dad
Speaker 1: is an amazing guitar player. And I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: because of my family. Um he's he's actually won a
Speaker 1: Grammy and he's literally played on all these Christian records
Speaker 1: and also a lot of pop records back in the
Speaker 1: nineties when this was like the heyday for it. Like
Speaker 1: what pop records did your dad play on? In the nineties.
Speaker 1: He played on Brian McKnight's record. He's played with Michael McDonald.
Speaker 1: He just played on I don't know which record. Well
Speaker 1: I am too, and I should know this and I don't.
Speaker 1: But that's but he was one of those musicians. He
Speaker 1: just played on just of records, you know. And he
Speaker 1: also wrote songs um for Amy Grant like Amy Grant
Speaker 1: is like our family. My mom's worked with her for
Speaker 1: over thirty years as her personal assistant, and my dad, Um,
Speaker 1: he wrote on a few he played on her records
Speaker 1: and he but he wrote some songs on like baby
Speaker 1: Baby and yeah no he didn't right baby on the
Speaker 1: record Bay. Yeah. Actually I think it's called heart Emotion.
Speaker 1: See I'm getting all these wrong. But m Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was an amazing business And my uncle Ron, who was
Speaker 1: an amazing singer. He was in this band called Buffalo
Speaker 1: Club and they had like a top ten in country
Speaker 1: music and like ninety six. And you didn't think you
Speaker 1: even though you were You're from Nashville. No, I know.
Speaker 1: Um I was born here, that I was raised here
Speaker 1: with my parents. Moved he when I was two. But
Speaker 1: um no, I wanted to do rocky music. I wanted
Speaker 1: to do like Cheryl Crowe, like kind of like Alana Smar.
Speaker 1: All that kind of stuff was on the radio. A
Speaker 1: little fair was huge whenever I was trying to get
Speaker 1: a record deal, and I kind of wanted to. I
Speaker 1: loved the more roots rock, like Tom Petty kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: and I tried to get a record deal for years
Speaker 1: on that. But you know what, radio changed so quickly
Speaker 1: in those years. It was like it went from like
Speaker 1: first of all melismas singing, from like Mariah Carey to
Speaker 1: Whitney Houston to like then it went to like Nirvana
Speaker 1: and all the grunge rock, and then it was the
Speaker 1: dawning of the Britney Spears era. And throughout all this
Speaker 1: whole process, I was just trying to find my own sound,
Speaker 1: my own way. And um, I almost got a huge
Speaker 1: record deal with Columbia Records. I think it was which
Speaker 1: or somewhere around there. I'm pretty sure if I if
Speaker 1: I looked through this contract, I probably still would be
Speaker 1: signed there and they probably owned everything that I have literally,
Speaker 1: But anyways, it's what happened with that leventh hour. No,
Speaker 1: we're not signed anyone, It just it didn't work out.
Speaker 1: And you know who was going to do my record.
Speaker 1: J Joyce really and so that was you know, J
Speaker 1: Joyce playing wall Fly. I mean that J. Joyce was
Speaker 1: doing a lot of Oh he did Patty Griffin Flaming Red,
Speaker 1: which I was a huge fan of, and he Macy
Speaker 1: Gray's record and I am Shelby Lenney had a song
Speaker 1: in there. And now he's here and he's like the
Speaker 1: biggest producer in country. He totally is. It's it's really crazy.
Speaker 1: And you're talking about Crow, one of my all time favorites,
Speaker 1: like that Music Club album and Change My Life Me too,
Speaker 1: Me too. I remember listening to it on Western at
Speaker 1: Tower Records, and I think it was like ninety four
Speaker 1: and I was like, holy shit, I love this Sorry
Speaker 1: about and um, I was like I love this record.
Speaker 1: And the reason why I was because I so related
Speaker 1: to her voice because I have what I call party
Speaker 1: girl voice. I'm always a little hoarse, and I just
Speaker 1: had a deeper rasp your voice, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just loved your singing, you know. And I love
Speaker 1: the record. And I was looking at who wrote the
Speaker 1: songs and who played on it, and Bill Patrell was
Speaker 1: amazing and all those guys were Dave Barrewald, who played
Speaker 1: on it. But um, so she was like she was
Speaker 1: my she's my favorite too. She's literally my idol. And
Speaker 1: and I'm assuming you've got to know her and as
Speaker 1: much as I loved her music, like just as a person,
Speaker 1: just more. And I don't like to meet people that
Speaker 1: I really love because you can't you'll be let down.
Speaker 1: I'm the same way. I don't want to meet my heroes. No,
Speaker 1: they say, don't meet your heroes, But I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I'm glad I met mine. I love her to pieces
Speaker 1: and even on a personal level with her with with
Speaker 1: Cheryl and and stuff that I haven't talked about on
Speaker 1: the air, but one of my best friends and the
Speaker 1: one on the show, has been adopting and Cheryl was huge,
Speaker 1: like instrumental off the year, no radio anything. Has just
Speaker 1: been such a great like she's so generous with her time,
Speaker 1: with telling other influential people. Absolutely and and um you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny because I'm like, I feel like she doesn't
Speaker 1: know she's Cheryl Crow, which kind of makes me laugh.
Speaker 1: But I'm also I'm so glad I met her later
Speaker 1: on in life. You know, I think if I would
Speaker 1: have been young and I met her, I would have
Speaker 1: just been fan girling her. Still, I have a picture
Speaker 1: of us hugging in it. I keep it hidden, but
Speaker 1: it's like the first time I got to hug Chill
Speaker 1: Crow like. I loved her too well. And if she
Speaker 1: text me, I literally have sort of like texting right now.
Speaker 1: That's funny. Cool. So when you started and you were
Speaker 1: going to put out a record, as you know, nineteen,
Speaker 1: how old you were with Columbia, I was very was
Speaker 1: very attractive and very skinny, and I was absolutely gorgeous,
Speaker 1: and I was going to put on this amazing record.
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, sorry as all nineteen Seriously, what did
Speaker 1: you think you sounded like? Then? Was it the jagged
Speaker 1: Little Pill Atlantis was? Yes, it was probably actually was
Speaker 1: across Tree atlant Us and Cheryl I would think it
Speaker 1: was very um, you know, I part of the term.
Speaker 1: It was very balls to the walls, like I loved
Speaker 1: that kind of music, just rock music, you know, with
Speaker 1: like kind of rolling stones, you know, that sort of thing. Um,
Speaker 1: it was interesting. And I wrote actually with Tommy Lean
Speaker 1: James on a lot of these songs, which here's a
Speaker 1: roundabout circle. Then I got a roommate, her name was
Speaker 1: Cindy Thompson and I introduced her to her and Tommy
Speaker 1: and and they've basically they've made a record together. They
Speaker 1: want all these awards. Um And Cindy was a great
Speaker 1: country music artist, but I wanted to do rock like
Speaker 1: full on and I loved bands like Semi Sonic um
Speaker 1: all for those who don't know Semi Sonic for example,
Speaker 1: close in Time every Night and then now Dan Wilson
Speaker 1: is Mr. Songwriter extraordinaire wrote um, someone like You by
Speaker 1: Adele you know, and so that's been pretty full circle
Speaker 1: as well. But it's crazy, it's crazy. And how much
Speaker 1: that sound now? Is this sound now? How some then?
Speaker 1: Is this sound now? Like if you took Tuesday Night
Speaker 1: Music Club and you just took it and said, hey,
Speaker 1: here's this new record, yes, check it out. I'll be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I gotta play all this on the year today and
Speaker 1: it sounds fresh and new on the country on country radio. Well,
Speaker 1: and you know who else I love back then is Beck?
Speaker 1: I still love Back. I think he makes amazing and
Speaker 1: changes constantly, constantly like every time Beck, because I'm a
Speaker 1: huge Back fan too. Every time Beck changes. And again,
Speaker 1: I wasn't alive when Bob Dylan went like, but I
Speaker 1: always think when he went from back to back to back,
Speaker 1: there's like every time, it's like that Bob Dylan thing
Speaker 1: where it like what the is happen? Like, Oh this
Speaker 1: is awesome? Yeah, And it might take you a year
Speaker 1: to catch on to what he was doing, but he's
Speaker 1: he's brilliant and I always loved his writing styles too,
Speaker 1: just like the quirky. One of my favorite is uh
Speaker 1: done some Good Old Boy on ohd A. I played
Speaker 1: that totally album backward and forward from like you know,
Speaker 1: two turntables on a microphone, like right, I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean it's classics. You Devil's hair cut all like it's
Speaker 1: got a devil's hair. I just play that on alternative radio.
Speaker 1: I will play that all the time. I haven't thought
Speaker 1: about that song forever. Wow, So that was you then? Yes,
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. We were basically the same person then too.
Speaker 1: I think I think we were. I'm telling you, dude,
Speaker 1: we might be cousins or something. And we're both from
Speaker 1: the South, so we very well could be U from Arkansas, Okay,
Speaker 1: so we could have We do probably might have family
Speaker 1: a walnut Red Arkansas. So and when you're in Arkansas,
Speaker 1: you know, every town in Arkansas because because it's just Arkansas.
Speaker 1: So you try and you you don't sign, and so
Speaker 1: you started writing songs. Did you just want to be
Speaker 1: a writer then, or was it like, Okay, that didn't work,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to pursue the artist part of it.
Speaker 1: You know what I was. I was devastated. I was
Speaker 1: very disappointed, and um, you know, I didn't know what.
Speaker 1: But for some reason, I'm like a tome X. I
Speaker 1: take a licking and keep on chicken. But um, I
Speaker 1: got knocked down from it. But I I basically I
Speaker 1: had a publishing deal, and then I met my husband
Speaker 1: and we became really good friends, and then literally got
Speaker 1: engaged and we got married and we were like, let's
Speaker 1: move out to l A. Because I grew up here
Speaker 1: in Nashville, and I loved Nashville, but I also hated it.
Speaker 1: I was like George Bailey in Bedford Falls, like this
Speaker 1: was my Bedford Falls. I wanted to leave here. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna go places. I'm doing this with
Speaker 1: my life, damn it. I'm gonna have this huge record
Speaker 1: deal and I gonna be singing on all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1: And it just never It just I always hit a
Speaker 1: wall and never worked out for me. And so my
Speaker 1: husband I we got married and literally about a month later,
Speaker 1: who he is a producer as well, but a month
Speaker 1: later we we came high talent. No, we moved out
Speaker 1: to l A. Lived out there for a few months
Speaker 1: and man, just like a month's Yeah, we didn't stay
Speaker 1: very long. We came high telling it back home because
Speaker 1: l A is so hard to live and and especially
Speaker 1: if you don't have a lot of money, it's expensive.
Speaker 1: The very expensive people are very affected. Yes, out there too.
Speaker 1: That's why it's hard for me growing up in the South. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and where people are people, Yeah, it's it's like you're
Speaker 1: walking into a plastic well. You just feel like after
Speaker 1: all the people out that I've really loved from out
Speaker 1: there were either from l A or they were from
Speaker 1: the Midwest. But it was so funny because it was
Speaker 1: like I found myself either try It's like you either
Speaker 1: become l A or you get eaten up by l A.
Speaker 1: You know. And when I go somewhere, I found myself going,
Speaker 1: who's this and what are they doing? How can they
Speaker 1: help me? And I hate that more than anything. Do
Speaker 1: you feel like that because I do a little bit
Speaker 1: now too. But don't you feel like that now a
Speaker 1: bit too because you're at the level you are, or
Speaker 1: don't you kind of wonder why people because no nobody
Speaker 1: wants my friend, Like really, if I don't have a job,
Speaker 1: cool job, nobody want my friend. I don't think you
Speaker 1: might wouldn't be my friend either. Maybe they think I
Speaker 1: was funny or something. But I don't know, No, I
Speaker 1: don't know. There is a little bit of that. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, it just kind of comes to territory. But
Speaker 1: it's also um a great way to set an example.
Speaker 1: I guess you know what I mean. So, but I
Speaker 1: definitely when you're out in l A. When I was
Speaker 1: out there at the time, I definitely felt like I
Speaker 1: just didn't like the person I was. And so we
Speaker 1: came home a few months for a few months. Yes
Speaker 1: we did, Yes we did, and we started in nice area,
Speaker 1: but it was like we didn't have any money. It
Speaker 1: was just not fun. So but on my last day there,
Speaker 1: I met with a publisher out there and with Sony Publishing,
Speaker 1: and I had a great meeting. And so I came
Speaker 1: home and I told her I was moving back. So
Speaker 1: her name was Kathleen Carey and she's awesome. Came home,
Speaker 1: got a job at Comcast because we needed health insurance.
Speaker 1: Worked there for like two to three years. In the meantime,
Speaker 1: my husband gets this job to produce co produce with
Speaker 1: Frank Lindell Um this girl Miranda Lambert who was third
Speaker 1: runner up on National Star New Artists from TV basically
Speaker 1: artists from TV, and also my ad. That was another
Speaker 1: thing that was changing the formats as well as TV.
Speaker 1: You know, from American Idol to I mean everything you
Speaker 1: can imagine all the TV shows. So anyways, you almost
Speaker 1: had to be on a TV show during that time
Speaker 1: to get a record deal. I mean that's almost like
Speaker 1: what they were looking for. So he started working with
Speaker 1: Miranda and then they started all having an I mean
Speaker 1: literally Mike used to come home and play all these records.
Speaker 1: I mean he played, produced, um engineered, mixed all like
Speaker 1: the first three records, and I just heard her music
Speaker 1: through the house all the time, and I would sing harmony.
Speaker 1: I sing harmony on all her records and stuff. But
Speaker 1: in the meantime, I'm still working at Comcast, and then
Speaker 1: I also then I also got a publishing deal with
Speaker 1: Sony in l A once it's like my last bid
Speaker 1: to try to be an artist. So I went out.
Speaker 1: I didn't go out to l A, but I was
Speaker 1: just writing for this project and they once again, I
Speaker 1: was meeting with labels, I mean literally at someone told me.
Speaker 1: They were like, well, she's kind of old to have
Speaker 1: a deal right now, and which is all there is
Speaker 1: to me, I mean, which it makes it just makes
Speaker 1: for a great story now, but at the time I
Speaker 1: was pissed. I was like, I'm not old. But um, anyways,
Speaker 1: none of that worked out. But Mike was doing so
Speaker 1: well and he was um doing all this stuff with
Speaker 1: her and then David neil Elien band. But he finally
Speaker 1: was like, hey, you should write with my wife. I mean,
Speaker 1: and she had met me because I would saying with
Speaker 1: on her records and stuff, and I'm saying with her
Speaker 1: on a couple of things too, and she was like, Gnalie,
Speaker 1: I want to write with you on this next record,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you call me. I don't. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm available, you just tell me when you have time.
Speaker 1: So she ended up calling me and finally and literally
Speaker 1: we wrote eight songs in two days. And it's because
Speaker 1: I mean I literally had all these ideas I've just
Speaker 1: been saving for and it was White Liar, only prettier.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that. Let's let me stop your for
Speaker 1: a second. Just for those at home, you wrote eight
Speaker 1: songs in two days. Now, most writing sessions people put to,
Speaker 1: you know, four to five hours aside and go, we're
Speaker 1: gonna write, and then you come up with a song
Speaker 1: and you get and hopefully you demo it and it's
Speaker 1: a thing. Yeah, it is. And and sometimes that friends
Speaker 1: who double rights, no right, and that's a lot Like
Speaker 1: you do a double right with two songs. You're exhausted.
Speaker 1: You did eight songs and two days. Yes, you know what.
Speaker 1: We're in a At the time, she lived in Texas
Speaker 1: and I only had her for a couple of days,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm like, I'm gonna drink coffee
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna write my brains out. I don't care.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just wanted to get. But the thing
Speaker 1: about I liked about it was I really love the songs.
Speaker 1: I had been working on the title White Liar for
Speaker 1: a while and I was trying to make it as dark,
Speaker 1: mysterious thing, and it was just Yeah, she literally came
Speaker 1: up with that chorus like that, like just so easy.
Speaker 1: So you have the title, but you don't have it yet.
Speaker 1: You have the title, so how do you how do
Speaker 1: you say? Hey? I wanted a song called White Liar,
Speaker 1: Like what do you say? Well? I was like, I
Speaker 1: have this idea, and I was like, I said, I've
Speaker 1: just been trying to come up with something and I
Speaker 1: haven't come up with anything yet for it, Like for
Speaker 1: Only Prettier, I had it very mapped out. Um, I
Speaker 1: had basically mostly the verse and the chorus mostly written.
Speaker 1: But with a White Liar. I was like, I didn't
Speaker 1: know where to go with it, and she goes, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like what about like hey, I liar?
Speaker 1: Juth comes out a little at a time and I
Speaker 1: was like that like that literally and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, yes, And I was like we we
Speaker 1: wrote it in thirty minutes. Would that be the moment
Speaker 1: that you went Okay, she's really special? Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: say that would be. But I'll tell you what. On
Speaker 1: her first record, she wrote love is Looking for You
Speaker 1: Now by herself and she also wrote care Sing by
Speaker 1: herself too, but I love is looking for You Now
Speaker 1: is like what an amazing song that was if anybody
Speaker 1: could ever go back and listen to that, they need to.
Speaker 1: It was so and she wrote it when she was sixteen,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, damn, this girl is really good,
Speaker 1: Like she's I don't know, I really have always known
Speaker 1: that Mirando is a great writer. Would that be the
Speaker 1: first big check that you got with White Liar? Oh yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: the first mailbox money. We were like, holy crap, like
Speaker 1: I can actually not work at Comcast. Absolutely, And honestly,
Speaker 1: it's probably the song that's maybe the most money because
Speaker 1: usually your first hits are the ones that keep generating
Speaker 1: because they that's what they always get back and play
Speaker 1: over and over and over again for years. So if
Speaker 1: you can have a first hit with an artist, that's
Speaker 1: a really great thing. And the great thing is it's
Speaker 1: her first hit as well, her first number one, you know, Kerosene.
Speaker 1: I totally thought Kerosene or gunpowtern Lead all those should
Speaker 1: have been number one, but they just weren't at the time,
Speaker 1: um for whatever reason. But that was her first number
Speaker 1: one and my first number one. It was really special
Speaker 1: to get to share that with her. You know, that's awesome.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about You said you're sang harmonies
Speaker 1: on Miranda's early stuff. Yes, you also did you sing
Speaker 1: with Amy Grant because you mentioned her earlier? Did you
Speaker 1: sing with her? You know what? I never sing on
Speaker 1: her records, but um, I sang at the She used
Speaker 1: to do the thing back in the nineties called the Loft,
Speaker 1: and she had this group of kids who come together
Speaker 1: and they would do like praise and worship songs, but
Speaker 1: they also do like these fun songs that were kind
Speaker 1: of silly. But they had like like plays, and they
Speaker 1: had all these like musical guests that would come on.
Speaker 1: And so they did a record and I sang on
Speaker 1: that record. Um, I mean with a big choir. But
Speaker 1: I've sang with Amy several times. Amy has been so
Speaker 1: awesome to me. She the first song I ever wrote.
Speaker 1: This is a funny story. The first song I ever
Speaker 1: wrote was called actually wouldn't say Ever? The first good
Speaker 1: song I ever wrote decent, and I don't even know
Speaker 1: if it's good anymore, but it's called the Naive One.
Speaker 1: And she heard it my mom played at four, and
Speaker 1: she was like, hey, you want to come play a
Speaker 1: Bluebird around with me? And and I'm nineteen, I'm like, oh, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: I'd love to go, you know, like, I'm like, Amy
Speaker 1: should be so honored to have me. But anyway, so
Speaker 1: we got to this Bluebird around and it's Randy Scruggs,
Speaker 1: John Hyatt and this brand new artist, Patty Griffin. And
Speaker 1: I'm nineteen at the time, and I've never heard Patty sing,
Speaker 1: and they let me go first, so I sing my
Speaker 1: song and then everybody collapse, and then then they go
Speaker 1: around Amy, Randy John hyd who I was a huge fan,
Speaker 1: and then Patty is sitting right next to me and
Speaker 1: she sings poor Man's House and I just absolutely flipped out.
Speaker 1: I just was like, oh my god, like I felt
Speaker 1: kind of stupid. I didn't know, but she'd just put
Speaker 1: out Living with Ghosts that record, and but that was
Speaker 1: my first bluebird experience. So when you say that, a
Speaker 1: couple of things come to mind. And because I've been
Speaker 1: able to be lucky enough to play there too. It's like,
Speaker 1: you don't want to follow somebody that's really good. Oh no,
Speaker 1: it doesn't know how good you are if you go
Speaker 1: behind somebody that's super good. I felt dumb because I'm
Speaker 1: not good. I'm just kind of funny. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: you've fallen. Patty's amazing Patty was did it? Did? Did
Speaker 1: you go oh crap? Or were you just such a
Speaker 1: fan that it didn't bother you? Well, you know what,
Speaker 1: They let me go first, so I didn't know how
Speaker 1: great everybody was, but it came back around to you
Speaker 1: right now. They let me do one song. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: because yeah, I was a special guest. Okay, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Then you just got to enjoy it. I got to
Speaker 1: enjoy it because you didn't have to go again after,
Speaker 1: because I'd have been like, well, well, But in a
Speaker 1: similar story Amy years later, hey do you want to
Speaker 1: play a blue around? You gotta be careful when she
Speaker 1: asked you, because you don't know who's going to show up.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, sure, So it's her infants, Allison and
Speaker 1: Dan and Mindy Smith, and so I had to go
Speaker 1: after Allison. So this time, that's funny. I just pissed.
Speaker 1: But but it makes you better. What do you say
Speaker 1: it made you better? It did? It did? And you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm like in my head, I'm like, which
Speaker 1: one of us doesn't belong here or whatever? But do
Speaker 1: you know what? I enjoyed it and it was fun.
Speaker 1: I just did me, you know, just be you. But
Speaker 1: I will say, um oh, I had another point dog
Speaker 1: on out I was gonna make I can't remember, but anyways,
Speaker 1: it was Amy's given me a lot of first moments,
Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful to her for that. So Amy, Miranda,
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like the common theme here are
Speaker 1: strong women, Like, oh yeah, that's what that's really And
Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to go back to that for
Speaker 1: a second, because it just seems like that that your
Speaker 1: theme in your life and your music is strong women.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. I'm I'm a very I'm a nice person,
Speaker 1: but I have always um. Someone asked me recently, if
Speaker 1: you could compare yourself to a fictional character, who would
Speaker 1: it be, And even though in theories she's not a
Speaker 1: fictional character, but I'm literally the unsingable Molly Brown. Like
Speaker 1: I just I might get beaten down, but I get
Speaker 1: right back up. So but I just, you know what,
Speaker 1: I also feel like I love music so much and
Speaker 1: I don't care. You got to a point with me
Speaker 1: where I was like, I don't care if I'm singing
Speaker 1: at a coffee shop and no one's listening. I don't
Speaker 1: care if I'm in a church. I just want to
Speaker 1: do music, you know. And and I'm just lucky that
Speaker 1: I get to do it now this way. But I've
Speaker 1: had all these you know, and I've had some other
Speaker 1: friends who have had their careers have just already peaked
Speaker 1: and it's over, you know what I mean? All those
Speaker 1: years you have to learn how to be so gracious
Speaker 1: and happy for other people. Why you're just busting your
Speaker 1: ass at a nine to five job, wondering what's wrong
Speaker 1: with your music? You know what I mean? But it's
Speaker 1: so um these times, these full circle moments make it
Speaker 1: all worth it, you know. So you right, white liar,
Speaker 1: You have these eight songs with Miranda, who's at the
Speaker 1: time in Texas, and it's it's coming up and your
Speaker 1: guys writing together that gets put on a record. Was
Speaker 1: that your that's your first number one? Was that your
Speaker 1: first big cut? Yeah? Well, yes, she was my first
Speaker 1: huge cut. Yes, that was I knew I was gonna
Speaker 1: have four songs on her record, UM, and I knew
Speaker 1: like one of them might have potential, obviously to be
Speaker 1: a single. I actually kind of wanted Only Prettier to
Speaker 1: be the single. But I was so happy when Whitelier
Speaker 1: came out and it sounded so good on the radio
Speaker 1: because it sounded so different. It started with the chorus,
Speaker 1: you know, and at the time there wasn't a lot
Speaker 1: of songs like that. UM has kind of the bluegrass
Speaker 1: drive and feel I want to play this. This is
Speaker 1: only Prettier. That's awesome. That's awesome. So I'll ask you this,
Speaker 1: after this album comes out and now you're Natalie Hippy
Speaker 1: with the number one and it cuts, do more people
Speaker 1: want to write with you? Are you cooler now a
Speaker 1: little more in vogue? Oh? Sure, everybody is. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're an artist and you you start hitting and
Speaker 1: on all cylinders, all of a sudden, everybody wants to
Speaker 1: write with you, and it's the same way for writers. UM.
Speaker 1: But I also was you know, it's a strange thing
Speaker 1: that happened. I know this sounds like, oh, bust out
Speaker 1: the violence. But um, after White Liar went number one.
Speaker 1: I actually I've known Tom Douglas for years. I used
Speaker 1: to sing as demos like Forever ago um and he
Speaker 1: I was writing with him the day after, and for
Speaker 1: some reason, I was like, I said, Tom, I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is. I feel kind of sad. I
Speaker 1: don't understand why do I Why am not? I'm like,
Speaker 1: I had my first number one, hopefully I'll have another one.
Speaker 1: And he was like, well, that's just it. It's because
Speaker 1: you think you can't do it again, you know. And
Speaker 1: it took all this time and all this energy and
Speaker 1: effort and prayers and everything else. And he's like, and
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of the downside too, to hitting that
Speaker 1: those moments, it's like you really have to teach yourself
Speaker 1: how to enjoy them, because it's easy to go, well,
Speaker 1: then what next? What mountain do I climb next? But
Speaker 1: I just yeah, I kept writing and writing and writing,
Speaker 1: and honestly I didn't really have baggage. Claim came out
Speaker 1: and then um um, I didn't really have anything going
Speaker 1: on for a while until I got a new publishing
Speaker 1: deal another one, and um, Laura Ripe said, hey, have
Speaker 1: you ever write with a little big town? And I
Speaker 1: was like no, And I always have wanted to because
Speaker 1: I've known them for years. They used to sing them
Speaker 1: as a Nashville two and I'd see them passing in
Speaker 1: another studio, and so I started writing with them, and
Speaker 1: immediately I just had a major connection with all four
Speaker 1: of them. They're they're creepy and they love you, by
Speaker 1: the way, and I say it so much like I
Speaker 1: have a wall, and it gets brought up eventually, but
Speaker 1: it's the people that like I have a personal like
Speaker 1: connection with, and I keep I keep six pictures on
Speaker 1: the wall. It's over there to your left and there
Speaker 1: it's a little big down and Maren and Urban past
Speaker 1: Leaves one of my best friends so much. But these
Speaker 1: are all great humans, Jansen and Kelsey and so like.
Speaker 1: Those are the those are the like my people in
Speaker 1: little big town. They're just so I was by the
Speaker 1: way I was talking, I ran into them. Um kimberly,
Speaker 1: she said, because I haven't. My thing is I won't
Speaker 1: listen to new music until it comes out because I
Speaker 1: want to experience it, like the people to listen to
Speaker 1: my show, because I want to talk. I can't be
Speaker 1: above my listeners, and I don't feel like I am
Speaker 1: so I can't be cool because I'm not cool. I
Speaker 1: get what you're saying. So everyone's always like listening to
Speaker 1: new music, and I'm like, you know what, as much
Speaker 1: as I would love to like, I am my listeners
Speaker 1: and I have and I have to be. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna wait till the day it comes out. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be excited about it. And Kimberly was like, and I
Speaker 1: hope this is right, because I'm just going from memory.
Speaker 1: She goes, hey, I wrote a song with Natalie about
Speaker 1: a Bible. Did you guys write a song together on
Speaker 1: the other new record? No, you know what, I know
Speaker 1: what song that is? What's on? Did you write together?
Speaker 1: She said, you guys wrote we wrote? I wrote a song.
Speaker 1: I wrote a few songs with them on their new
Speaker 1: record though, on their new record, but I only on
Speaker 1: the two that made it was one that I wrote
Speaker 1: with Lori and Barry. No, she wrote Hillary Hillary. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure it's either Hillary Lori? Because what did you
Speaker 1: write on the new record? Because she brought you up specifically?
Speaker 1: Did she? I wrote free on the new record. I
Speaker 1: haven't heard them because I won't listen. Because she was like, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: I haven't heard of me there. They're being so kind
Speaker 1: of secretive. You haven't heard the song. They're being so stingy,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go roll their house with toilet paper
Speaker 1: or something, but um no, they haven't played for me yet. No,
Speaker 1: And actually Randon didn't either, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: want to hear the record, but shouldn't that be a rule,
Speaker 1: like if you write the song, it's when it's produced,
Speaker 1: Like I think it should be a rule. You don't
Speaker 1: have to let me hear it, so the phone, have
Speaker 1: you over and let me hear it? No, And I
Speaker 1: wrote well with the guys called Roland, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: It's it's the two the two guys that you wrote it, right,
Speaker 1: Philip and Jimmy. That's what it was. They were. That's
Speaker 1: what it was now, and I love it. I love
Speaker 1: it so much. It's it's they brought you up to
Speaker 1: me because I was like, hey, now. They were like,
Speaker 1: we love Natalie, and I was like, I haven't met her,
Speaker 1: but she's coming to the house and I knew that.
Speaker 1: So you have When people say Natalie you Natalie Hay,
Speaker 1: they're like, she's in these camps. You know, you're known
Speaker 1: as in the Miranda Camp and you're known as a
Speaker 1: Little Big Town Camp. And so we found out how
Speaker 1: you're in the Miranda camp from lack of that's what
Speaker 1: they say, like better no, it is that how did
Speaker 1: you like what was the first song for a Little
Speaker 1: Big Town that you wrote that kind of popped out?
Speaker 1: And how did you end up with this relationship with them? Well? Um,
Speaker 1: first of all, they're so kind that when you meet them,
Speaker 1: you feel like you know them already. And you know what,
Speaker 1: I so relate to them because I felt like to me,
Speaker 1: they were always underdogs and grinders for sure, grinders and
Speaker 1: you know what, I so was the same way in
Speaker 1: my own way, you know, like just always worked hard
Speaker 1: and almost there and not quite almost there, but I
Speaker 1: but should be there, you know what I mean? They
Speaker 1: were so amazing even back then. But um, the first
Speaker 1: song we ever wrote was called night Owl, and I
Speaker 1: I was like, I wanted to do like an Everly
Speaker 1: Brothers type of deal with them. And you know what,
Speaker 1: here's one thing you need to know about me. I
Speaker 1: love my favorite songs and records are last songs and
Speaker 1: on Revolution I have Miranda. Miranda's last song is Virginia
Speaker 1: Blue Bell and then on this one on Tornado, it
Speaker 1: was night Owl and it's sort of like, I just
Speaker 1: love album closers. They're just the most poignant songs to me.
Speaker 1: And so I wanted to write this Everly Brothers type
Speaker 1: call an answer song for the record, and literally that
Speaker 1: was the first song we wrote together. And then then
Speaker 1: they started cutting my songs, which I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: I had no idea how many of they had cut
Speaker 1: on the Tornado record. And I was just so excited
Speaker 1: because literally the Tornado record, you actually wrote torn it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you wrote the song which is the records
Speaker 1: named after. It's crazy. It's crazy if you don't get
Speaker 1: paid extra for them. Did you write this or Pontoon
Speaker 1: with them first? Um, I didn't write either one of
Speaker 1: them with them for them, for them. I wrote this
Speaker 1: for them first. Yeah, I meant for them, said this
Speaker 1: one first, and then Pontoon second. Yeah, well you know what,
Speaker 1: I wrote Pontoon and Luke and Berry and we almost
Speaker 1: wrote it like as a joke. Yes, like literally were like,
Speaker 1: I mean the first of all we originally I was
Speaker 1: backed this bit up into the water. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: how funny we were trying to like, and they just
Speaker 1: made it cool. So when you write this and it's
Speaker 1: a light song and like you just said, you kind
Speaker 1: of wrote it. The idea came as a joke. It
Speaker 1: was such a smash dude. I mean it blows my mind, Like,
Speaker 1: I love, I love this song, I love how they
Speaker 1: did it. But it just makes me laugh that my
Speaker 1: piece of crap, piece of ship work tape can turn
Speaker 1: into something like that. I mean, it blows my mind. Honestly.
Speaker 1: When you when the when it was said motor boating,
Speaker 1: did you guys laugh because that's Look, here's the story.
Speaker 1: So we're like on avant and making ways and catching right.
Speaker 1: Literally we write every line right up until that moment.
Speaker 1: We're like, how do you in the open it? And
Speaker 1: then if I was like motor boating, like what are
Speaker 1: you gonna say? There? That's what you're saying, you say
Speaker 1: motor boating. But it was like, oh do we say it?
Speaker 1: Sure we because there is this generation of before it's
Speaker 1: usually before like fifteen years old and then over fifty
Speaker 1: that does not know what the inner meetings of motor
Speaker 1: boating is. So it was sort of like we got
Speaker 1: away with it concerning that crap, and some people were like,
Speaker 1: you knew what that was and like, well, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: in the freaking movie. And I'm like, but it was
Speaker 1: just gonna say they're your boat A bit. Sorry I
Speaker 1: say that, this is said whatever you want. So okay,
Speaker 1: you have you write these little big town has two
Speaker 1: monsters with them. I mean those really put them on
Speaker 1: the map as like big acts. Blows my mind. I
Speaker 1: mean honestly, yeah, but that put them on a big
Speaker 1: catapulted them like in a crazy way. So here's a
Speaker 1: funny story. Like we bought a pontoon, my husband and
Speaker 1: I do, because we're like, if we're going to write
Speaker 1: a song, we need to buy a pontoon. And literally
Speaker 1: I hear in other people's boats on the lake. I
Speaker 1: mean it's just it was crazy. And I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what you could write a song about, like the most
Speaker 1: poignant so long about your mother who did this, or
Speaker 1: you know, saving souls and babies and all stuff. But
Speaker 1: when we played pontoon, people just go batchick crazy over
Speaker 1: it because it's a fun song. It's a fun song.
Speaker 1: They love it. Do you have to you have to
Speaker 1: remind yourself that sometimes it's okay just not to be
Speaker 1: so serious. Yes, I mean Honestly, I think this best
Speaker 1: advice is, I mean, you know, don't take yourself too seriously,
Speaker 1: don't get piste off of people don't like your music.
Speaker 1: Like for example, when we went to go buy this pontoon,
Speaker 1: um my daughter, we had her on the boat and
Speaker 1: we took a test drive with this guy and he
Speaker 1: had to sell the boat because his wife is having
Speaker 1: a baby. And he was so nice. We really enjoyed
Speaker 1: talking to him. And as we get to the dock,
Speaker 1: um my child's kind of getting fussy, and we've started
Speaker 1: to get off the boat and she goes motor boat
Speaker 1: and and the guy goes, oh my god, that song
Speaker 1: is so awful, having no clue that I had readen it,
Speaker 1: and my husband was like. My husband was looking at
Speaker 1: me like, oh my god, what's she going to say?
Speaker 1: And I just kind of put my head down. I
Speaker 1: was like, that song is a piece of shit, and
Speaker 1: I literally just walked away. It was the funniest moment,
Speaker 1: and I just got the biggest kick out of it.
Speaker 1: But I'm just I'm so grateful for my number one
Speaker 1: piece of shit, you know, But in an awesome way.
Speaker 1: Isn't it funny that your kid is singing it like
Speaker 1: she's heard it, he knows it, but it's coming out
Speaker 1: of a kid. I mean, it's that big of a
Speaker 1: song that's all ways wrapped back around. I wrote what
Speaker 1: we wrote one of those songs, you know. I was like,
Speaker 1: that's just crazy to me. So it's funny you have
Speaker 1: Do you have that one? Oh we've already sold it, yes,
Speaker 1: And it is the truth. The day you buy the
Speaker 1: boat and the day you sell her the best days
Speaker 1: of your life. So I got into the whole boat
Speaker 1: never never, never, never again. No thanks, tell me about
Speaker 1: this one here. I don't know, you know what. That
Speaker 1: one is so funny because that was the first time
Speaker 1: I wrote with Shane and Luke together, and we just
Speaker 1: were It was so random. Literally we didn't have a
Speaker 1: hook at all. We just started from the very you know,
Speaker 1: all the parties in the streets are talking or whatever.
Speaker 1: I can't even think of my own lyrics, but my
Speaker 1: point is we started on the verse and literally just
Speaker 1: kind of wrote it line by line, and then whenever, um,
Speaker 1: they cut it, I was just like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: anytime someone cut something in mine, it's outside of my
Speaker 1: quote unquote camp, I'm always like, oh, thank you, Jesus,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But Um, Lady a Bellum
Speaker 1: that was for me. That was a fluke, Like I
Speaker 1: was like, I can't believe that just happened. But they
Speaker 1: did it great. I mean, it did really well on
Speaker 1: the charts and yeah, really well, it crushed I mean,
Speaker 1: and they put out in this hilarious video here for it,
Speaker 1: and I mean I was so grateful at the time.
Speaker 1: So there's no big story behind it. Only big story
Speaker 1: is the first time that um Shane and Luke and
Speaker 1: I had ever written together, which I have a really
Speaker 1: good luck with firsts Um. Even going back to Tornado, Um,
Speaker 1: I wrote that with this girl, Delta Maide and she's
Speaker 1: from Liverpool and it was two thousand and eleven. It
Speaker 1: was the last right of the year from both me
Speaker 1: and her, and she literally it was there was tornado
Speaker 1: sirens going off outside and she's like, do you guys
Speaker 1: have a lot of tornadoes here? And I'm like, yes,
Speaker 1: we do. And she's like, I've always wanted to write
Speaker 1: a song called Tornado, and I'm like, I was like,
Speaker 1: that's a badass idea. I think that's a great idea.
Speaker 1: So we wrote it and then literally Um Karen's like,
Speaker 1: let's put it on hold. We're gonna call our record Tornado. Oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, it's a single. Oh, it's you know,
Speaker 1: ten five. And then it goes number one. And then
Speaker 1: literally the next time I saw Delta was at our
Speaker 1: number one party. So I've only seen her two times
Speaker 1: in my life, and I just thought that was so.
Speaker 1: But I have really good luck with riding with people
Speaker 1: on the first drive. Is there ever an ego thing
Speaker 1: amongst writers where someone goes, hey, I have an idea,
Speaker 1: but you want to have the idea? Oh? Sure. I
Speaker 1: mean we're all secretly jealous of one another. I mean,
Speaker 1: especially when you hear a great song that one of
Speaker 1: your friends where you're like, damn it. I'm like, I'll
Speaker 1: never forget. And Mary play me my church. She uh,
Speaker 1: she sent it to me in attacks and when she
Speaker 1: was out there right with Buzzby and we had just
Speaker 1: written with Buzzy, and I was like, dog got it,
Speaker 1: and I literally I loved it so much. I was like,
Speaker 1: that's that's amazing. I'm I'm totally pissed you wrote that
Speaker 1: without me, but I'm totally excited for you. You talked
Speaker 1: about me, and I'll let me talking about Sheared's baris
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Speaker 1: and we were talking about Marion Moore a second ago,
Speaker 1: and I love the record. I'm a Marin fan. I
Speaker 1: was getting in trouble for stealing YouTube clips and playing
Speaker 1: Mare on the radio before the song is breaking out
Speaker 1: here because I just I just love that you love
Speaker 1: her music. I do. I didn't even know her, I
Speaker 1: don't even know where I loved her music, and but
Speaker 1: she came up and the record is so good. And
Speaker 1: this is one of my favorite songs on the record.
Speaker 1: I'm not here and the STU and you wrote this,
Speaker 1: I wrote with her and Ryan. This is a jam.
Speaker 1: I love this song because but I wish, but I
Speaker 1: wish jamn right there. I love that song. I mean,
Speaker 1: and it's not a single yet, who knows if it
Speaker 1: will be. It don't matter, that's just it's an amazing
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's it's an amazing song. I'm
Speaker 1: super And it turned out the feel of it is
Speaker 1: so nice. That backbeat playing, you know, and the piano.
Speaker 1: Everything is perfect. The way you feeling about me. I
Speaker 1: should let you singing, not me, because I love sing
Speaker 1: on it make a hard say, so are you singing?
Speaker 1: Believe me? Her and writer so gonna hate me if
Speaker 1: you have to. I hate myself too because as much
Speaker 1: as so, I'm not the hero and stuff. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: thank you. I just love that song because I can
Speaker 1: trut up and I don't want, but I wish, but
Speaker 1: I wish. You know, both her and Ryan I come
Speaker 1: separately and and done this and they're just both creative beings.
Speaker 1: They are, they totally are, and they they create such
Speaker 1: great music together too. And that wasn't the first time
Speaker 1: I wrote the two of them. But um, I wrote
Speaker 1: a song. Uh, I wrote that with Buzzby. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love the song. So you're in the Marin camp. I mean,
Speaker 1: I will say Maren is probably um and forth no
Speaker 1: me too. It's such a phenomenal record. Maren is, like
Speaker 1: I called, I don't know she's ever told the story,
Speaker 1: but um my friend Daniel Tashon was the one who
Speaker 1: turned me onto her. And Daniel is an amazing writer
Speaker 1: here and he's from Nashville. Two He's like, you need
Speaker 1: to write with this girl Mary where she's amazing and
Speaker 1: I was and he sent me a song and I flipped,
Speaker 1: you should hear the songs that she hasn't cut. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm if I do another record, I'm gonna put on
Speaker 1: some of them on my record. Like, she don't have
Speaker 1: no choice, but my my, I called her. I went
Speaker 1: to Kroeger late one night because I was leaving the
Speaker 1: next day, and I was like, I called her a
Speaker 1: ten thirty. I was like, you don't know me, but
Speaker 1: my name is Natalie himmy. I was like, I love
Speaker 1: your writing and your voice, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: just want to I would love to get together, right
Speaker 1: and we we have a true friendship, she and I do.
Speaker 1: We just it's a very like honestly, Marion doesn't need me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I don't. None of these
Speaker 1: people need me. And that's what I really love about
Speaker 1: working with these people's We don't really need each other,
Speaker 1: but we love working together and that's what makes it fun.
Speaker 1: And that's how I feel about her. She has a
Speaker 1: camp of a great group of people she writes with,
Speaker 1: but um, she can write her ass off. She's a
Speaker 1: great writer. So the first song, you know what turned
Speaker 1: me onto her. It was a song and she hadn't
Speaker 1: cut I think it's called hate. Oh god, that's what.
Speaker 1: That's the first song I ever heard. That's the first
Speaker 1: thing I played ever of hers. And I was like this,
Speaker 1: this is like different level type stuff. And it was
Speaker 1: it on the record and it sits on YouTube. You
Speaker 1: can still find it, and it's I mean it is.
Speaker 1: I was like, holy crap, oh my god. Well we
Speaker 1: wrote a song. That song like literally made me cry.
Speaker 1: Um but one of my favorite songs. I'm literally going
Speaker 1: to put it on my next record. It's called that
Speaker 1: I wrote with her. It's called No Way Out. And
Speaker 1: I wrote it with her and Ian fit Chick, and
Speaker 1: it's like it's like, who told ude there was no
Speaker 1: way out? Every door was open, everyone came down? Who
Speaker 1: told you there was no way out? It's such a
Speaker 1: beautiful song, and she has she has the ability to
Speaker 1: write this super sassy songs, but she's so heartfelt. You know.
Speaker 1: I love that girl. I'm so glad you love her too.
Speaker 1: You know, there are some people that just root for too.
Speaker 1: You just love their music, but you also root for
Speaker 1: them because of how they did things. Yeah told and
Speaker 1: there's and and she was here three weeks or so ago,
Speaker 1: and you know she came because Ryan, Ryan, I did
Speaker 1: this month ago. And then I was like, I want
Speaker 1: to come to your house and do this. And I
Speaker 1: was like, let's find a time because I'm always on
Speaker 1: the road. She's always on the road. And she came
Speaker 1: up and we sat down and talked and I told her,
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I'm a fan. But when you
Speaker 1: got up and you you spoke at the CMAS when
Speaker 1: she won the Best New Artists, We talked about the speech.
Speaker 1: She was like, I don't have anything ready. They started
Speaker 1: rushing me. I said, you said to me, what was
Speaker 1: one of the more poignant things? And something that I
Speaker 1: remember the triggers constantly is that one year ago you
Speaker 1: were sitting at a freaking bar across the street watching
Speaker 1: on TV. That's how it is. And if that's not
Speaker 1: if you don't get inspired by that, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what can inspire you. I don't either.
Speaker 1: I was literally drinking and tweeting all night and I'm
Speaker 1: just like Mary Moore, I was like, and I literally
Speaker 1: called her and I'd say, I was like, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: How about this song right here, because I love this
Speaker 1: one here. I was like, yeah, well, you know what
Speaker 1: Keith is. I mean, Keith is so he's he's so talented,
Speaker 1: a great player. And actually this was our second right
Speaker 1: we had written on and because meet him and Michael
Speaker 1: Alsando and actually that day we wrote this song, it
Speaker 1: was a really tough day and and it was just
Speaker 1: sort of like, you know what Keith is. He doesn't
Speaker 1: need me either. But basically, I would say, Keith and
Speaker 1: I are like an orange in a mushroom. We don't
Speaker 1: We're not in the same food group necessarily. But you
Speaker 1: know what, I learned a lot from him, Like when
Speaker 1: he started playing this guitar riff, I was like, I
Speaker 1: started singing a totally different Melanie and he said to me, goes, okay,
Speaker 1: that's really badass, he said, but it sounds more badass
Speaker 1: when you sing it. If I sing it, it it sounds
Speaker 1: it does not sound the same. And I was like, touche,
Speaker 1: that totally makes sense to me. You know, but Keith
Speaker 1: is very Um, he's a passionate person. He's a passionate writer,
Speaker 1: and I had a blast riding with him on that day.
Speaker 1: But it was also really tough day, um, only because
Speaker 1: I was just trying to figure out which direction he
Speaker 1: wanted to go. You know, sometimes you walk in with
Speaker 1: ideas for people and it's just you have to feel
Speaker 1: out the room. And I was trying to get his
Speaker 1: vibe on it. But you know what, I'm so grateful
Speaker 1: that he cut that song and I love how it
Speaker 1: turned out in the guitar sol is amazing on it.
Speaker 1: So I want to get to your album a second.
Speaker 1: I want a couple more go, a couple more songs
Speaker 1: deep though on stuff to You Britain. Like my favorite artists,
Speaker 1: frankly are strong women artists period like current, so that
Speaker 1: they are, and I love Marin. Like my favorite contemporary
Speaker 1: artist right now is Casey Musgrave's period. She's she's my favorite,
Speaker 1: Like she's my favorite, my favorite, she's everybody's favorite. She's awesome.
Speaker 1: And so I don't want to be a boy good appreciate.
Speaker 1: So tell me about this song. Well, you know I
Speaker 1: have been I mean before, I mean i've from here.
Speaker 1: I mean I've been saying for years, I'm like, screw
Speaker 1: the boys club, like, and I do mean the good
Speaker 1: old boys club. You know here there was this I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not trying to rip on the guys
Speaker 1: because there's you can't feel free. I do all the time.
Speaker 1: I think it's like, you know what, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of talented guys, but I'm just kind of tired of
Speaker 1: the same ship that sounds the same coming out all
Speaker 1: the time, same dudes who sound right and same crap.
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm talking about. Everybody's been preaching
Speaker 1: it for a while. But it's like when this girl
Speaker 1: right here, there's five girls right now I think on
Speaker 1: Top fifty radio and country music, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: damn it, come on. There's a shift happening though. There
Speaker 1: is a shift, and I think it's and I'm so
Speaker 1: grateful old that we have voices. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: put us on the radio because we have boobs. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: put us there's some great music coming from female artists
Speaker 1: that have not been given a chance. That's what it is.
Speaker 1: So for me, and this has been something that over
Speaker 1: the past, you know, since my little tenure started in
Speaker 1: Nashville is that every year, I would just take a
Speaker 1: week and just highlight females. I was raised by all women,
Speaker 1: like like I was raised by all women, mom, grandma, sisters.
Speaker 1: So for me, it's a idea. I love. That's how
Speaker 1: my husband is. I mean, he's been around girls all
Speaker 1: his life, and I mean there's and there's some strong
Speaker 1: women here. There's some amazing singers here. But here's where
Speaker 1: the blame goes, because Rolling Stone want company, like, hey
Speaker 1: tell us why there are no women? And my thing
Speaker 1: it's not a First of all, I'm different because I'm
Speaker 1: an idiot and I get to put whatever I want
Speaker 1: now at this point. I didn't always. I got a
Speaker 1: lot of trouble when I first started. I love that
Speaker 1: because I get to write whatever I want at this point.
Speaker 1: Now we kind of get to choose our own destination.
Speaker 1: We get in the first I failed, miserable. I'm writing
Speaker 1: my second book is called Winning by Losing, Like you
Speaker 1: have to lose so many times to learn to win.
Speaker 1: So with that I would bring every year. I just
Speaker 1: I would find all these girls that I felt like,
Speaker 1: we're not being featured in showcase, and they would say,
Speaker 1: why are ready ready to play women. And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. When there's a sound that's created, everybody
Speaker 1: wants to copy it because it's all not money. Everything's revenue.
Speaker 1: Everything is the whole world's wrapped around revenue, whatever industry
Speaker 1: you're in. And because this sound comes out that we'll
Speaker 1: just call it what everybody called it was bro country,
Speaker 1: which I think is unfairly called that, but okay, fine,
Speaker 1: we'll use that term very male, very male, very male,
Speaker 1: and very fun male like party mail. Yes, but the
Speaker 1: labels weren't developing females at all. They were developing them
Speaker 1: to even give out as an option because they saw
Speaker 1: what was selling. So their minor leagues weren't strong when
Speaker 1: it came to Okay, so this runs out right right
Speaker 1: like when it runs out like what do we do?
Speaker 1: And so my thing has been we don't need a
Speaker 1: revolution of anything because the revolution will then fall away.
Speaker 1: The best to win, I agree with, and I think
Speaker 1: is a great example of that. And Brothers Osborne, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what I really just want to see as great
Speaker 1: music when and I just my thing is like, there's
Speaker 1: some really great female artists and Casey being one of
Speaker 1: them that I feel like you've got to give him
Speaker 1: more of a chance to be on radio. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think people would I don't know. I I think
Speaker 1: people would love to hear a little bit more diversity
Speaker 1: in country music if they would just offer it a
Speaker 1: little bit more. And you know what, And again I
Speaker 1: don't speak for me, I'm speaking for radio and as
Speaker 1: because I feel like a lot of these guys get
Speaker 1: a bad rap in radio because they only play what's
Speaker 1: offered to them from the record label. That's that's true.
Speaker 1: I mean like, well, right in radio, well the record
Speaker 1: labels of blaming radio's don't pick singles that we were offered.
Speaker 1: This is the single, will it work? And then we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: let's see. So um with that being said, I do
Speaker 1: want to talk about your record because I mean I
Speaker 1: told I tweeted you. I was like, I'll listening to
Speaker 1: this thing, dude, thank you so much for tweeting me.
Speaker 1: I've never been tweeted and I felt I was like
Speaker 1: nerd boy, because dude, are you kidding? So first of all,
Speaker 1: talking about the title of the record and what it means, Well,
Speaker 1: Plexico is a little town in southeast Missouri. It's called Plexico,
Speaker 1: and um, I Basically, here's the long short of it.
Speaker 1: I got this hair brain idea before White Liar, before
Speaker 1: I had any number one song, to do a documentary.
Speaker 1: And my grandparents small hometown in southeast Missouri, and basically
Speaker 1: they have this festival every year called Homecoming, and anywhere
Speaker 1: from eight ten people come out to this tiny town
Speaker 1: of like literally it's like people now that live in
Speaker 1: this town for from Tuesday to Saturday, and they have
Speaker 1: carnival rides, square dancing, got burgers. It's like literally Mayberry
Speaker 1: with a little carnival and it's such a bygone era.
Speaker 1: And I noticed one year the attendance was really down,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I wish we could do a
Speaker 1: documentary and based it on you know, how do you
Speaker 1: keep Homecoming live? How do you keep your town alive?
Speaker 1: How do you keep it tradition alive? And so I
Speaker 1: got together. I met Ryan Silver and Scott um Murphy
Speaker 1: and we went and filmed in Puxico for two weeks.
Speaker 1: Was hot, aest week ever on record, and it was exhausting.
Speaker 1: And we did this documentary but it turned into this
Speaker 1: thing more of a story about my grandfather and I
Speaker 1: and our relationship and like why why I love Plexico
Speaker 1: so much is really because of him, and it's like,
Speaker 1: and that's part of what I have on the front
Speaker 1: of the record. It's like, in the beginning, I thought
Speaker 1: this was about a town, but really it's about a man,
Speaker 1: a man who loved me so much I had to
Speaker 1: tell the world, you know, that's sort of deal. And
Speaker 1: that's kind of what it came into. And so what
Speaker 1: happened though, was I had the soundtrack that I written
Speaker 1: for it with some great buddies of mine, Trent Davis
Speaker 1: being one of them, Lindsay Chapman, Gin Shot Keilly, archer Um,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Cassandra Lawson, a lot all these people contributed contribute
Speaker 1: to this, and so I Ryan and Maren actually we're
Speaker 1: going to Michigan and they were like, can we have
Speaker 1: the soundtrack to Busco? We really love the music and
Speaker 1: they were listening to it on the way up there
Speaker 1: and they kept texting me, you gotta put this out.
Speaker 1: This is so well. I was gonna put it out
Speaker 1: more as a soundtrack and just more, I was like,
Speaker 1: but then I'm like, no, this is my first record.
Speaker 1: It really is. This is like the deepest part of
Speaker 1: who I am as a person. This is like part
Speaker 1: of my story, my history, and I love my husband
Speaker 1: produced it. He played most of the instruments on there.
Speaker 1: But we got like some great guys like Fred answering him,
Speaker 1: Greg Lee's Um play on it, and Jonathan actually played
Speaker 1: on Cairo. But I it became this beautiful. I just
Speaker 1: loved how the project turned out. So it sounded so beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's just sounded like my soul bled, you know. And
Speaker 1: I love going joy, still love to keep driving past
Speaker 1: the goat k. She used to be a beauty back
Speaker 1: in eighteen have to following the funds. Now she's went
Speaker 1: about the river and she's still well that she is gone.
Speaker 1: Two questions, yes, question one, can you appreciate just how
Speaker 1: good that is? I love it? Okay good? I hope
Speaker 1: so no I do. And you know what, that was
Speaker 1: always the pressure of putting out a first record. It's
Speaker 1: like you wait all this time. It's like I I
Speaker 1: listened to that over and over and over and over
Speaker 1: and over again because it was just it made me
Speaker 1: cry the first time I heard it. Just sonically, sonically
Speaker 1: the whole thing, it's gorgeous. Husband did such a and
Speaker 1: I'm not like I mean, don't get me wrong, we
Speaker 1: fight in the studio too, but I so appreciate him musically,
Speaker 1: I think he is he has great taste, and he's
Speaker 1: worked with some brilliant engineers, producers, artists all all these years.
Speaker 1: It's like he's been conditioned for these different these types
Speaker 1: of moments as well. But literally, that sonically just is
Speaker 1: music to my It's so warm sounding, and honestly, that
Speaker 1: is how I feel when I drive through Cairo, Illinois.
Speaker 1: Cairo is so such an archaic town and it's like literally, uh,
Speaker 1: the bones of something that used to be beautiful and
Speaker 1: there are still people that. By the way, it's also
Speaker 1: pronounced Cairo, Illinois, which I do know this, but I
Speaker 1: was like, to the world, someone's gonna look at this
Speaker 1: and say, oh, Cairo, Illinois. I mean, right now, it's Cairo.
Speaker 1: What's funny. In the South and in the Midwest, there's
Speaker 1: all these different towns. There's like a rab which was Arab,
Speaker 1: there's Advanced Missouri. It's advanced, you know. So I've gotten
Speaker 1: a couple of hate males. It's like, you do know
Speaker 1: it's pronounced Caro right or or Cairo, and I'm like, yes,
Speaker 1: I do, but um, but anyways, the town is a
Speaker 1: relic of what it used to probably look like. But
Speaker 1: to me, it's a symbol of me going home to
Speaker 1: a place I love, or a symbol of my heartbreak
Speaker 1: having to leave a place I love. And that's kind
Speaker 1: of what Jonathan, he's from Missouri too, and he was
Speaker 1: kind of saying the same thing. But when you drive through,
Speaker 1: it's a very unique. It's an eerie kind of place
Speaker 1: in this beautiful way. Do you when you sing? And
Speaker 1: and your reputation too, because I have a lot of
Speaker 1: songwriter friends, and your reputation is you don't want to
Speaker 1: sing a song that you sing in a demo, it's
Speaker 1: tough to follow you. People always say that they really
Speaker 1: people don't want to follow Laurie mckennic. That they're like
Speaker 1: if you get a Lorry Hillary, yes, or you. I
Speaker 1: mean those are the ones like, oh, you can't sing
Speaker 1: like Nally Like, that's that's what people say. Like when
Speaker 1: you hear you sing, are you like? Man? I like,
Speaker 1: I'm an elite vocalist. I don't think I'm elite. I mean,
Speaker 1: I have my way of doing things, but I don't
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, you're elite. Hey, that's my
Speaker 1: rapper name I'll take it not to lem. Sorry, I
Speaker 1: love I picked a few of my favorites, dude, pick away.
Speaker 1: It's still I never know how would be just thinking,
Speaker 1: were you nervous before I came out? Oh, I'm so
Speaker 1: nervous you were? Oh yeah, because because why though, Like
Speaker 1: what was the pressure for you in your head? You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've had so many people like through
Speaker 1: later on and through the years, would be like, when
Speaker 1: are you going to put a record out? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I ain't put it on a record, um, just because
Speaker 1: during the time when I was going to put out
Speaker 1: a record, you had to have a record deal. And
Speaker 1: it just to me, it's like I've watched other people
Speaker 1: put out the records. It's really nerve wracking. And I
Speaker 1: really I was nervous because I wanted my peers to
Speaker 1: like it. That's really what it is. I mean you
Speaker 1: could sit here and say I don't care if nobody
Speaker 1: likes it, and I do feel that way a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean, I like what I like and I don't
Speaker 1: let anybody else get in the way of that. But
Speaker 1: but I also want to be I want people other
Speaker 1: people to like it. Not really for a selfish reason.
Speaker 1: But just you know, I loved the fact that Marion
Speaker 1: and Ryan called me on the way on a road
Speaker 1: trip and they wanted to listen to this because that
Speaker 1: is what that's how I want people to listen to
Speaker 1: this record. I wanted them to go back home, take
Speaker 1: a road trip somewhere, put it, put it in the car,
Speaker 1: roll the windows down, you know, and just kind of
Speaker 1: escape and be happy and have that feeling of nostalgia
Speaker 1: a little bit. You know, let me give him one
Speaker 1: more tell me about this song here. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, you know what um Gin shot. That
Speaker 1: was her idea, and it was so crazy. We I
Speaker 1: hadn't I actually didn't write it for the documentary. We
Speaker 1: we wrote it because she had lost her dad and
Speaker 1: she had gone back home, and you know, just anytime
Speaker 1: you lose someone that you love, it's almost like they're
Speaker 1: still around, even when you go back home to visit.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what this was about. But it
Speaker 1: turned into so much more. Um When my record came out,
Speaker 1: it was Friday January and that was the anniversary, which
Speaker 1: was coincidence of when Jin's father had passed away, and
Speaker 1: then also I lost an aunt that day. And I
Speaker 1: don't know Dorf, you know Andrew Door fast Away, and
Speaker 1: it just this song hits home in so many ways,
Speaker 1: you know. Um, even when I go home to Puxico,
Speaker 1: it's like I still feel like my grandmother's there. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like we all had to leave our fingerprints behind.
Speaker 1: Show I gets you long around, something to talk about stops.
Speaker 1: Oh this I can so good. Thank you so much?
Speaker 1: Should Beau, that's so good. It means a lot that
Speaker 1: you like it. Honestly, it's not listening to Carolin like
Speaker 1: I love it. I care. I'm like, I like what
Speaker 1: you like. You like all my friends. We like the
Speaker 1: same thing. Natalie him, Wow, dude, we're like best friends already.
Speaker 1: I just look at this body of work. And even now,
Speaker 1: it's like it's I understand why I'm intimidated to talk
Speaker 1: to you. Oh shut, it's the way you You're just
Speaker 1: on a different level. I don't. I'm actually not. I'm
Speaker 1: just you know, I love music just like everybody else.
Speaker 1: And I honestly I always want to throw a few
Speaker 1: curveballs here and there, and but I just I'm so
Speaker 1: glad I get to do it because I didn't get
Speaker 1: to do it for a long time. You know, I
Speaker 1: didn't know if I was gonna be able to ever.
Speaker 1: I never thought of be able to have a career
Speaker 1: like this, you know. I always hoped for it, but
Speaker 1: um man, it's been a ride. If it all ends tomorrow,
Speaker 1: I will I will die grateful, you know. And I
Speaker 1: just hope nobody plays really bad songs in my fear
Speaker 1: now and you're actually leaving here to go? Right? Can
Speaker 1: I say this to r with Lucy? And anytime Lucy
Speaker 1: gets brought up on this, we always call her. And
Speaker 1: I was like, what and so we have to call
Speaker 1: Lucy for myself and most and last time she didn't answer,
Speaker 1: but she'd call me right back, because she'll answer. I
Speaker 1: think I told her I was coming over here. Okay,
Speaker 1: then she'll know. She's like, should say nice thing? Or
Speaker 1: did you just watch out? She probably hates me, but
Speaker 1: she's like my best buddy. I love her so much.
Speaker 1: Good evening, we're talking about you again on I know,
Speaker 1: so so Natalie and I are here talking, So what
Speaker 1: what would you say about now? That's not listening. She's
Speaker 1: in the isolation booth. So the isolation booth, I mind
Speaker 1: just conjuring up all sorts of images. Um, what would
Speaker 1: I say about Natalie? How can anyone resist that? Husky boys?
Speaker 1: It's just so appealing. I could listen to it all
Speaker 1: day and all night, speaking or singing. Um, she's the
Speaker 1: coolest person she's I met her a long time ago,
Speaker 1: so she's been very big part of my Nashville story
Speaker 1: and we've been a lot of changes in my life.
Speaker 1: She was there for as well. And she's the sweetest,
Speaker 1: sweetest person, very humble and sweet, but talented. She's like
Speaker 1: a bonny rate to me. So you do realize every
Speaker 1: time that we bring a friend up here, we're gonna
Speaker 1: call you on the phone and ask you your thoughts.
Speaker 1: These I'm looking at. Is it a monthly podcast or
Speaker 1: a weekly? It's weekly and sometimes a couple of weeks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I seem to have missed a couple of weeks. That's okay.
Speaker 1: That's the good thing about a podcast. You can catch up.
Speaker 1: All right, Yes, we're that's the big finale. That's gonna
Speaker 1: be the final episode and we finally have you on
Speaker 1: after all the cell phone calls. Okay, well you guys
Speaker 1: have fun, all right, Bye Lucy, bye bye. So let
Speaker 1: me just tell you a little thing about Lucy. Lucy
Speaker 1: and I are the same age, but we met and
Speaker 1: we had to we had to stay. We We've got
Speaker 1: on all these b and my trips together and we
Speaker 1: always stay in the same room. And she is so
Speaker 1: damn gorgeous. And when she wakes up in the morning,
Speaker 1: she has wild, crazy, beautiful Victoria's secret hair, and like,
Speaker 1: has this key little outfit on, and I am literally
Speaker 1: in a sweatshirt and sweatpants. I might as well have
Speaker 1: a retainer on and face cream and hair in a bun,
Speaker 1: and like seriously like and we both we both sound
Speaker 1: like men in the morning, like like, do you want
Speaker 1: to get some coffee? Yes, Natalie, I love some coffee. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean literally, It's like it's so funny. She to me.
Speaker 1: We were at dinner a month or so. I go
Speaker 1: and I just never talked to her about her past life,
Speaker 1: which is the music she made in the UK. And
Speaker 1: I was like, Lucy, we sent all the time together,
Speaker 1: what tell me about Like what? She goes, I sold
Speaker 1: a million records in the UK and I was like what.
Speaker 1: She was like, she's a million, And I'm like, what
Speaker 1: was your biggest song? She's like, oh, I did a
Speaker 1: metallic a cover of nothing else matters with the with
Speaker 1: the bat and I literally they were murdered her over
Speaker 1: the internet, like some of the Metallica fans. Was blown
Speaker 1: away and I came home and it was way before
Speaker 1: the rasp that she has now. But yeah, it's really awesome. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Lucy gets brought up in every one of these because
Speaker 1: everybody loves Lucy. If you don't love Lucy, I don't
Speaker 1: love you. That's what we should make these t shirts of.
Speaker 1: Let me end with this. It's a little so. I
Speaker 1: have a girlfriend that's an artist. You have a husband
Speaker 1: that's in the industry. How do you guys, Because it's
Speaker 1: a it's a cool thing because you can bond and relate,
Speaker 1: but it's also a lot. Oh yeah, I know. It's
Speaker 1: always home and um, you know it's hard. I mean
Speaker 1: sometimes it's hard, you know. I since my family is
Speaker 1: in the music business, I kind of learned how to
Speaker 1: navigate between those two. And I do. I work with
Speaker 1: men all the time, and but I literally have thousands
Speaker 1: of brothers in the world, is what I always say.
Speaker 1: But you know what I think the thing is, you
Speaker 1: just have to always remain respectful of each other and
Speaker 1: your talents. And you know what. I also there's times
Speaker 1: where I have had nothing going on and he just
Speaker 1: kept it going, kept me inspired, kept me writing. And
Speaker 1: there's times where he's had nothing going and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I kept him going, kept inspired. And I always tell him, like,
Speaker 1: you know what, one thing that we're really good at
Speaker 1: is we pull inward, you know when we when we
Speaker 1: when he I make music together, good things happen. And
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for that, you know, because it sure
Speaker 1: beats the alternative. What about because this has become oddly
Speaker 1: very like a lot of artists listened to this because
Speaker 1: I get to get people like you and talk a
Speaker 1: long time and there's not a lot of that. I
Speaker 1: get to bring in songwriters and really go deep into
Speaker 1: ideas and thoughts and um so artists will come and
Speaker 1: even young artists and say, hey, you know, how do
Speaker 1: I do this? How do I do? What do you
Speaker 1: tell artists that are are starting now? Like what's the
Speaker 1: key to it all? I think I think the hey
Speaker 1: do it all? Is authenticity? And like you know what
Speaker 1: do you? I don't know? You have. It has to
Speaker 1: happen at the right time or it will not work
Speaker 1: and you'll have a short career and it'll be over.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you start too soon and you don't
Speaker 1: know who you are and you have labels telling you
Speaker 1: who you are, it just it will not work out. You.
Speaker 1: You really have to be give yourself time to develop
Speaker 1: who you are as an artist, because literally that music
Speaker 1: will be out forever. You know. I am so glad
Speaker 1: by the way it did not work out for me
Speaker 1: back then, because I might have turned into When you
Speaker 1: signed at a label, you become a product, you know,
Speaker 1: and if you can have your product ironed out before
Speaker 1: you get to a label, man, what a much better
Speaker 1: road to travel. I mean, I feel like that's why
Speaker 1: Maren is successful, why Casey got her deal, like a
Speaker 1: lot of these artists did that, you know, even Lucy.
Speaker 1: But if you start off and you're like, make me
Speaker 1: somebody in your just a great singer, well I don't.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna work. You have to be true to
Speaker 1: who you are. If you're going through a really shitty time,
Speaker 1: write some songs about it because people will believe you.
Speaker 1: I think people want to believe artists now again. You know,
Speaker 1: all the authenticity has been gone for so long, and
Speaker 1: now it's so refreshing. It's craved it is. That's why
Speaker 1: Adela is so huge, because she breaks through this wall
Speaker 1: of sounds on radio and when her song when Hello
Speaker 1: you Know, comes on, You're like you listen because it's
Speaker 1: like you feel something. I think people want to feel
Speaker 1: music again and not I mean, look, I love dance music,
Speaker 1: I love I love good party songs. But I'm just
Speaker 1: saying we need a nice mixture of everything, and it
Speaker 1: all needs to be authentic, no matter what it is.
Speaker 1: You know, one of the artists, and you mentioned Shane
Speaker 1: McNally earlier, we did say his last name is Shane um.
Speaker 1: And I like Shane a lot because first of all,
Speaker 1: it's a great writer. He is one of the best
Speaker 1: writers in nash He really, he's a phenomenal writer. He
Speaker 1: obviously he has you know, Sam is heavy Shane. You know,
Speaker 1: they work together at time. And Walker Hayes. I have
Speaker 1: Walker Eyes opening for me now on my stand up
Speaker 1: comedy tour and Walkers He's awesome. He's like my favorite
Speaker 1: walking on my favorite right And that's why I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: you have to come out and do shows me for
Speaker 1: like five months. Yeah, And so Shane signed Walker, So
Speaker 1: I have all these you know, ways around to Shane.
Speaker 1: But I talked about the authenticity of just even the
Speaker 1: words of for example, Sam, and people go, oh, say
Speaker 1: the haters will go, oh, no they do, but really
Speaker 1: Sam is totally himself. He even the words he says
Speaker 1: sometimes don't fit, but it's so real it is that
Speaker 1: it fits because it's human words said well and he
Speaker 1: wrote them. I mean, he this is what, this is
Speaker 1: what he does. You know what I'm saying. Whether you
Speaker 1: like it or not, whether you like it or not.
Speaker 1: Even Florida Georgia Line, I mean, they have their own sound.
Speaker 1: That's there. You know, party boys sound kind of thing.
Speaker 1: It's funny you bring that up. I was asked about
Speaker 1: that and I said, everybody blames them, and I was like,
Speaker 1: they're not to blame. They created a new sound like
Speaker 1: he did. Everybody copying them is what this culture became
Speaker 1: for a while and it started to break out of that.
Speaker 1: But the people that blame Florida Georgia Line, they're ridiculous
Speaker 1: that they they was so new that it was, and
Speaker 1: I mean the cruise thing was just so huge that
Speaker 1: it launched a format for like three and a half
Speaker 1: years of NonStop that and did other things fault. It's
Speaker 1: not their fault that they were so different. But it's
Speaker 1: like you can look at any trend and like that
Speaker 1: in music. I mean even like I remember Vanilla Ice
Speaker 1: came out back in the day and it was just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, he's amazing. But I mean then then
Speaker 1: that stuff went away. It was like I had the
Speaker 1: tape was back in the day we bought singles on tape.
Speaker 1: Of course I did too, and I had Ice Ice Baby,
Speaker 1: and you flipped it around. It was played that funky
Speaker 1: music White Boy it was, I remember. And I also
Speaker 1: had the the EMC hammer of an l ice right
Speaker 1: down the middle and it was one on each side,
Speaker 1: and then I had the MC hammer. You can't touch this.
Speaker 1: Have you seen her on the back side? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I remember heavy seen her? Tell me have you seen her? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like he's like totally talking to the background, and then
Speaker 1: a long comes Snoop Dogg is just wiped all that out.
Speaker 1: There's always something that comes along and wipes well. It's
Speaker 1: like the hair bands into into grunt and it said
Speaker 1: they you know good and just like that, you know
Speaker 1: nerv It smells like the video of smells like Teach
Speaker 1: Forget the first I thought in the gymnais and then
Speaker 1: it changed everything, and then it did until the boy
Speaker 1: bands came in, and then it changed everything. And then
Speaker 1: trends always end up going and coming and then they
Speaker 1: come back again, and that's just the everything cycles it does.
Speaker 1: And I actually really like this, this Chris Stapleton cycle.
Speaker 1: I hope it sticks around for a really long time.
Speaker 1: It's funny though. Go back to the birthday. I Ericauld
Speaker 1: call me one time. She goes, hey, I gotta spot
Speaker 1: you play blueber Round Chris, And I said, no, I'm not. No.
Speaker 1: She goes, what are you serious. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm dead. No, there's no way I'm playing in around
Speaker 1: with Chris Stapleton. This is my and I will leave
Speaker 1: on this story. This is my favorite Chris tablet to
Speaker 1: the story. Um so I heard Chris sing on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Um and and then and you've been writing and one
Speaker 1: of my favorite, one of my Like you know, I
Speaker 1: have like ten really good friends in town. Less than ten,
Speaker 1: but you know, two hands right, yeah, And one of them,
Speaker 1: like my close friends, is a writer named Lee Thomas Miller.
Speaker 1: Lee Miller, we don't call Thomas, okay, close? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't hang out. I hang out with Lee and
Speaker 1: so every other Wednesday, him and Chris are right together
Speaker 1: for years, for years, they're just right, right right. And
Speaker 1: listened to Chris sing on YouTube and I was like,
Speaker 1: I gotta have this guy. He didn't sing out it is,
Speaker 1: so I called him and he was in the shower
Speaker 1: and he was like. I was like, hey, come on
Speaker 1: the studio, just play because I just think it's so amazing.
Speaker 1: And it was my early days here too, and I
Speaker 1: was causing trouble and people did it wasn't going It
Speaker 1: wasn't going good for me. It wasn't it wasn't going
Speaker 1: good for me at the time because I was just like,
Speaker 1: screw all. I just want to do what I want
Speaker 1: to do. And it doesn't work. I'm fine with that.
Speaker 1: But so Chris comes up and he plays and he
Speaker 1: obviously crushes it. And I think he came up and
Speaker 1: he's saying a Josh Turner song that he had written.
Speaker 1: So he comes up and he sinks, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: holy crapt. So I'm buying him back again. I'm buying back.
Speaker 1: About the fourth time he comes up, someone very high
Speaker 1: at a radio station over stations called called my boss says, hey,
Speaker 1: I don't know who this Chris guy is, but you've
Speaker 1: got to stop having a mom because nobody knows who
Speaker 1: he is. And I go and I go to my
Speaker 1: boss and I'm like, but he's so good. I know
Speaker 1: he doesn't even have a record out right now, but
Speaker 1: he's so He's just so good, and that's what I
Speaker 1: want on the air. I'm not kidding you. A week
Speaker 1: and a half later, he goes on the c m
Speaker 1: as and that's the when him at timber Lake saying
Speaker 1: again and I didn't have say anything, and you don't
Speaker 1: like to be like I told you i'd have to
Speaker 1: say anything. No, you don't have to say an nothing.
Speaker 1: And I was so happy for Chris. Yeah, and everybody
Speaker 1: is so happy for Chris because you talk about a grinder.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know he's he's been doing in Morgan
Speaker 1: Morgan is I've wrote one of my favorite songs with Morgan.
Speaker 1: I wrote a song called Casino. It was on the
Speaker 1: UM Nashville Show. But she, oh my god, is she
Speaker 1: a singer? And literally like I just had terrible things
Speaker 1: said to her when she was signed to Sony and
Speaker 1: you know they made her go to I don't even
Speaker 1: want to say it. They just they've just basically stripped
Speaker 1: her self confidence and you you want to talk about
Speaker 1: also one of the best singers in Nashville, Morgan Stapleton,
Speaker 1: is a mother ever of a singer. But um so
Speaker 1: it was so nice to see the two of them
Speaker 1: standing up there together, and um but, I I feel
Speaker 1: like it's fun. I mean, it's fun to watch people
Speaker 1: jump on the bandwagon after the fact when you were
Speaker 1: like back in the day, going yeah, this person is
Speaker 1: amazing and you guys are all stupid and you have
Speaker 1: no clue, you know what I mean. It's like, oh, now,
Speaker 1: now now you're ready to accept. But whatever, at least
Speaker 1: they get it. But at least they get it. At
Speaker 1: least they get That was mine too. I was like,
Speaker 1: I was just happy for him. I was losing my mind.
Speaker 1: I was so happy for him that I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't even care that people. I don't even you know,
Speaker 1: And I have a library of Chris playing live and
Speaker 1: nobody else does. I have a library in the studio
Speaker 1: of him coming up just playing songs that's nobody else
Speaker 1: has because I have him basically doing his whole record
Speaker 1: acoustic live, because he would just come and play, and
Speaker 1: so now I just needed to do the whole shows.
Speaker 1: Don't worry to play them all the time. I really
Speaker 1: enjoyed this. Oh me too, buddy to a lot of
Speaker 1: fun for me. Oh listen, I'll yes. I thank you
Speaker 1: for supporting great artists too. I'm serious. I'm not kissing
Speaker 1: your ass and being serious like that's a really I
Speaker 1: can't say enough about that. I just want people to
Speaker 1: champion good music, you know. And I'm not saying like,
Speaker 1: just because you don't I don't like your music, it's
Speaker 1: not good music. I'm just saying they're like people who genuinely,
Speaker 1: like genuinely are talented, and people all over the world
Speaker 1: would recognize it, you know what I mean. Put those
Speaker 1: people up in the spotlight. I love that, you know well,
Speaker 1: I've this has been fund a definite presence that I
Speaker 1: enjoy well. Likewise, I'm not a president anyway, I got nothing.
Speaker 1: We have all the same friends, so that makes us
Speaker 1: really close friends immediately. So Natalie, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for having me downloaded, and I always have downloaded. Don't
Speaker 1: stream it because you stream it, she ain't gett paid.
Speaker 1: Thank you. This has been episode thirty four and probably
Speaker 1: might you have any questions you're sitting over there producing
Speaker 1: a idea. We asked our question, do you ever like
Speaker 1: get an idea in a dream for a song? Like
Speaker 1: you wake up and oh my god, Yes, that is
Speaker 1: so weird. You say that, I've done it several times,
Speaker 1: like I'll and I'll try to sing. I get melodies
Speaker 1: of my dreams, so I'll sing into my phone at
Speaker 1: three in the morning. But it's like, dude, it's like
Speaker 1: two octaves lower than it should be. But all the
Speaker 1: time it's weird. It's divine. All right, Well, we'll see
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