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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to episode thirty four of The Bobby

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Speaker 1: Cast with songwriter artist friend of a lot of friends

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Speaker 1: who have been on this show already, like like we

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Speaker 1: have an odd circle that we've never actually met before.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, I know you've become such a huge fan.

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Speaker 1: Natalie Himby is here, but um yeah, most of the

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Speaker 1: most of our friends have been in that chair, so

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Speaker 1: it's nice to finally have you here. I know, I

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Speaker 1: feel like it's all warmed up for me, so which

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Speaker 1: is good. I should just get this out of the way.

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Speaker 1: I've seen you out before, but been a little intimidated

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Speaker 1: to come up and say hello, Oh my goodness, because

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Speaker 1: you have one of those presences about you. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: just if you. I'm sure people would say the same

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Speaker 1: about you, though, Like I don't go out either. This

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Speaker 1: was an anomaly. If you saw me out, it was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, a songwriter or you know, one of the

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Speaker 1: industry events, and I was like, I don't want to go.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like I bother people. So I'm a

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Speaker 1: big fan, Like I'm a big fan of yours. Can

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Speaker 1: bother me anytime. I will bother you after this a lot. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: Natalie's here, we have a lot to talk about because

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Speaker 1: when we lined up and started doing these um thirty

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Speaker 1: four episodes ago, we pick like ten people that we

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Speaker 1: wanted to talk to, and it was you were on

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Speaker 1: the list, and I was like, Caitlin Smith and Marin

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Speaker 1: and you have people that I'm close to that I

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Speaker 1: know have really great stories, and throughout all of this

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Speaker 1: you can see all of those. But it's an odd

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Speaker 1: time because since then you also have a record too,

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Speaker 1: So we have so much to talk about. We have

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Speaker 1: so much to talk about it. So, yes, I have

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Speaker 1: some great stories too. So let's start from the very beginning. Yes,

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Speaker 1: let's start from I want to run through, but just

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Speaker 1: just so everybody gets hooked real quick. I want to

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Speaker 1: play quickly all six of your number ones in a

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Speaker 1: very quick montage, and then I want to break down

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Speaker 1: your whole life and make you cry. It's really all right,

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Speaker 1: Natalie Hanby's here. Uh. Number ones include Miranda White liar,

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Speaker 1: your fingers still pops? You still like that one? Huh?

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Speaker 1: I love it still. That's cool. It's because some artists

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Speaker 1: will be like, I'm so tired of it. You know, yes,

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Speaker 1: but I saw your finger pop immediately. That's so cool

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Speaker 1: when someone still loves it after that long. But I

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Speaker 1: pretty damn good. How about this one downtown lady A

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Speaker 1: I don't know why, take me down town anywhere? Also

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Speaker 1: a little big town Pontoon, catch Tornado, a little big

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Speaker 1: have songer that you're on this one right right? That's

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Speaker 1: just the surface, just wonderybody know what kind of powerhouse?

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm intimidated quite frankly, oh my goodness, not

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Speaker 1: you see people through your eyes like I, I look

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Speaker 1: what what's hurt to do? All of that and to

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Speaker 1: see your catalog it's kind of crazy. You know what,

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Speaker 1: I don't really know, I, um, you know what I've

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Speaker 1: been writing. I've literally got my first publition do when

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Speaker 1: Literally I thought for years that Roy Overson was blind,

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Speaker 1: Um I was born here, that I was raised here

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Speaker 1: um no, I wanted to do rocky music. I wanted

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Speaker 1: But anyways, it's what happened with that leventh hour. No,

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Speaker 1: And you're talking about Crow, one of my all time favorites,

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Speaker 1: like that Music Club album and Change My Life Me too,

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Speaker 1: I just loved your singing, you know. And I love

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Speaker 1: and and they've basically they've made a record together. They

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Speaker 1: have it, and then it's gonna be like dang one

426
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Speaker 1: hundred flowers dot com. All right, so we're back, and

427
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about You said you're sang harmonies

428
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 1: on Miranda's early stuff. Yes, you also did you sing

429
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 1: with Amy Grant because you mentioned her earlier? Did you

430
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 1: sing with her? You know what? I never sing on

431
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 1: her records, but um, I sang at the She used

432
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: to do the thing back in the nineties called the Loft,

433
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: and she had this group of kids who come together

434
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: and they would do like praise and worship songs, but

435
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 1: they also do like these fun songs that were kind

436
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: of silly. But they had like like plays, and they

437
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: had all these like musical guests that would come on.

438
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: And so they did a record and I sang on

439
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 1: that record. Um, I mean with a big choir. But

440
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 1: I've sang with Amy several times. Amy has been so

441
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: awesome to me. She the first song I ever wrote.

442
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: This is a funny story. The first song I ever

443
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: wrote was called actually wouldn't say Ever? The first good

444
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: song I ever wrote decent, and I don't even know

445
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 1: if it's good anymore, but it's called the Naive One.

446
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: And she heard it my mom played at four, and

447
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: she was like, hey, you want to come play a

448
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: Bluebird around with me? And and I'm nineteen, I'm like, oh, yeah, sure,

449
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: I'd love to go, you know, like, I'm like, Amy

450
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 1: should be so honored to have me. But anyway, so

451
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 1: we got to this Bluebird around and it's Randy Scruggs,

452
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: John Hyatt and this brand new artist, Patty Griffin. And

453
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: I'm nineteen at the time, and I've never heard Patty sing,

454
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 1: and they let me go first, so I sing my

455
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: song and then everybody collapse, and then then they go

456
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: around Amy, Randy John hyd who I was a huge fan,

457
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: and then Patty is sitting right next to me and

458
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: she sings poor Man's House and I just absolutely flipped out.

459
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: I just was like, oh my god, like I felt

460
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: kind of stupid. I didn't know, but she'd just put

461
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 1: out Living with Ghosts that record, and but that was

462
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: my first bluebird experience. So when you say that, a

463
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,479
Speaker 1: couple of things come to mind. And because I've been

464
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: able to be lucky enough to play there too. It's like,

465
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: you don't want to follow somebody that's really good. Oh no,

466
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 1: it doesn't know how good you are if you go

467
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: behind somebody that's super good. I felt dumb because I'm

468
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: not good. I'm just kind of funny. Well, I mean,

469
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: you've fallen. Patty's amazing Patty was did it? Did? Did

470
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 1: you go oh crap? Or were you just such a

471
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: fan that it didn't bother you? Well, you know what,

472
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 1: They let me go first, so I didn't know how

473
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: great everybody was, but it came back around to you

474
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: right now. They let me do one song. Oh okay,

475
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: because yeah, I was a special guest. Okay, that's awesome.

476
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 1: Then you just got to enjoy it. I got to

477
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: enjoy it because you didn't have to go again after,

478
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: because I'd have been like, well, well, But in a

479
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: similar story Amy years later, hey do you want to

480
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: play a blue around? You gotta be careful when she

481
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: asked you, because you don't know who's going to show up.

482
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 1: And I'm like, sure, So it's her infants, Allison and

483
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: Dan and Mindy Smith, and so I had to go

484
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: after Allison. So this time, that's funny. I just pissed.

485
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: But but it makes you better. What do you say

486
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: it made you better? It did? It did? And you

487
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: know what, I'm like in my head, I'm like, which

488
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: one of us doesn't belong here or whatever? But do

489
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 1: you know what? I enjoyed it and it was fun.

490
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: I just did me, you know, just be you. But

491
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 1: I will say, um oh, I had another point dog

492
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: on out I was gonna make I can't remember, but anyways,

493
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: it was Amy's given me a lot of first moments,

494
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful to her for that. So Amy, Miranda,

495
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like the common theme here are

496
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 1: strong women, Like, oh yeah, that's what that's really And

497
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to go back to that for

498
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: a second, because it just seems like that that your

499
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: theme in your life and your music is strong women.

500
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. I'm I'm a very I'm a nice person,

501
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 1: but I have always um. Someone asked me recently, if

502
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: you could compare yourself to a fictional character, who would

503
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: it be, And even though in theories she's not a

504
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: fictional character, but I'm literally the unsingable Molly Brown. Like

505
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: I just I might get beaten down, but I get

506
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: right back up. So but I just, you know what,

507
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 1: I also feel like I love music so much and

508
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: I don't care. You got to a point with me

509
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: where I was like, I don't care if I'm singing

510
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: at a coffee shop and no one's listening. I don't

511
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: care if I'm in a church. I just want to

512
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: do music, you know. And and I'm just lucky that

513
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: I get to do it now this way. But I've

514
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: had all these you know, and I've had some other

515
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: friends who have had their careers have just already peaked

516
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: and it's over, you know what I mean? All those

517
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: years you have to learn how to be so gracious

518
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: and happy for other people. Why you're just busting your

519
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: ass at a nine to five job, wondering what's wrong

520
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: with your music? You know what I mean? But it's

521
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: so um these times, these full circle moments make it

522
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: all worth it, you know. So you right, white liar,

523
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: You have these eight songs with Miranda, who's at the

524
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: time in Texas, and it's it's coming up and your

525
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: guys writing together that gets put on a record. Was

526
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,719
Speaker 1: that your that's your first number one? Was that your

527
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: first big cut? Yeah? Well, yes, she was my first

528
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: huge cut. Yes, that was I knew I was gonna

529
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: have four songs on her record, UM, and I knew

530
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 1: like one of them might have potential, obviously to be

531
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: a single. I actually kind of wanted Only Prettier to

532
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: be the single. But I was so happy when Whitelier

533
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: came out and it sounded so good on the radio

534
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: because it sounded so different. It started with the chorus,

535
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, and at the time there wasn't a lot

536
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: of songs like that. UM has kind of the bluegrass

537
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: drive and feel I want to play this. This is

538
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: only Prettier. That's awesome. That's awesome. So I'll ask you this,

539
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: after this album comes out and now you're Natalie Hippy

540
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: with the number one and it cuts, do more people

541
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: want to write with you? Are you cooler now a

542
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,479
Speaker 1: little more in vogue? Oh? Sure, everybody is. You know,

543
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: if you're an artist and you you start hitting and

544
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: on all cylinders, all of a sudden, everybody wants to

545
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: write with you, and it's the same way for writers. UM.

546
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: But I also was you know, it's a strange thing

547
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: that happened. I know this sounds like, oh, bust out

548
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: the violence. But um, after White Liar went number one.

549
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,239
Speaker 1: I actually I've known Tom Douglas for years. I used

550
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: to sing as demos like Forever ago um and he

551
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: I was writing with him the day after, and for

552
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: some reason, I was like, I said, Tom, I don't

553
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: know what it is. I feel kind of sad. I

554
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: don't understand why do I Why am not? I'm like,

555
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: I had my first number one, hopefully I'll have another one.

556
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: And he was like, well, that's just it. It's because

557
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: you think you can't do it again, you know. And

558
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: it took all this time and all this energy and

559
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: effort and prayers and everything else. And he's like, and

560
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of the downside too, to hitting that

561
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: those moments, it's like you really have to teach yourself

562
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: how to enjoy them, because it's easy to go, well,

563
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: then what next? What mountain do I climb next? But

564
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: I just yeah, I kept writing and writing and writing,

565
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: and honestly I didn't really have baggage. Claim came out

566
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: and then um um, I didn't really have anything going

567
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: on for a while until I got a new publishing

568
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: deal another one, and um, Laura Ripe said, hey, have

569
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: you ever write with a little big town? And I

570
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: was like no, And I always have wanted to because

571
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: I've known them for years. They used to sing them

572
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: as a Nashville two and I'd see them passing in

573
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: another studio, and so I started writing with them, and

574
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: immediately I just had a major connection with all four

575
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: of them. They're they're creepy and they love you, by

576
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: the way, and I say it so much like I

577
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: have a wall, and it gets brought up eventually, but

578
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: it's the people that like I have a personal like

579
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: connection with, and I keep I keep six pictures on

580
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: the wall. It's over there to your left and there

581
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: it's a little big down and Maren and Urban past

582
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: Leaves one of my best friends so much. But these

583
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: are all great humans, Jansen and Kelsey and so like.

584
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: Those are the those are the like my people in

585
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: little big town. They're just so I was by the

586
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: way I was talking, I ran into them. Um kimberly,

587
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: she said, because I haven't. My thing is I won't

588
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: listen to new music until it comes out because I

589
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: want to experience it, like the people to listen to

590
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: my show, because I want to talk. I can't be

591
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: above my listeners, and I don't feel like I am

592
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: so I can't be cool because I'm not cool. I

593
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: get what you're saying. So everyone's always like listening to

594
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: new music, and I'm like, you know what, as much

595
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: as I would love to like, I am my listeners

596
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: and I have and I have to be. So I'm

597
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: gonna wait till the day it comes out. I'm gonna

598
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: be excited about it. And Kimberly was like, and I

599
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: hope this is right, because I'm just going from memory.

600
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: She goes, hey, I wrote a song with Natalie about

601
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: a Bible. Did you guys write a song together on

602
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: the other new record? No, you know what, I know

603
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: what song that is? What's on? Did you write together?

604
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: She said, you guys wrote we wrote? I wrote a song.

605
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: I wrote a few songs with them on their new

606
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: record though, on their new record, but I only on

607
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: the two that made it was one that I wrote

608
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: with Lori and Barry. No, she wrote Hillary Hillary. I'm

609
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: pretty sure it's either Hillary Lori? Because what did you

610
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: write on the new record? Because she brought you up specifically?

611
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: Did she? I wrote free on the new record. I

612
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: haven't heard them because I won't listen. Because she was like, hey, listen,

613
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: I haven't heard of me there. They're being so kind

614
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: of secretive. You haven't heard the song. They're being so stingy,

615
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go roll their house with toilet paper

616
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: or something, but um no, they haven't played for me yet. No,

617
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: And actually Randon didn't either, and I was like, I

618
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: want to hear the record, but shouldn't that be a rule,

619
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: like if you write the song, it's when it's produced,

620
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: Like I think it should be a rule. You don't

621
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: have to let me hear it, so the phone, have

622
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: you over and let me hear it? No, And I

623
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: wrote well with the guys called Roland, that's what it is.

624
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: It's it's the two the two guys that you wrote it, right,

625
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: Philip and Jimmy. That's what it was. They were. That's

626
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: what it was now, and I love it. I love

627
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: it so much. It's it's they brought you up to

628
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: me because I was like, hey, now. They were like,

629
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: we love Natalie, and I was like, I haven't met her,

630
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: but she's coming to the house and I knew that.

631
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: So you have When people say Natalie you Natalie Hay,

632
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: they're like, she's in these camps. You know, you're known

633
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: as in the Miranda Camp and you're known as a

634
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: Little Big Town Camp. And so we found out how

635
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: you're in the Miranda camp from lack of that's what

636
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: they say, like better no, it is that how did

637
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: you like what was the first song for a Little

638
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: Big Town that you wrote that kind of popped out?

639
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: And how did you end up with this relationship with them? Well? Um,

640
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: first of all, they're so kind that when you meet them,

641
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: you feel like you know them already. And you know what,

642
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: I so relate to them because I felt like to me,

643
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: they were always underdogs and grinders for sure, grinders and

644
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,239
Speaker 1: you know what, I so was the same way in

645
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: my own way, you know, like just always worked hard

646
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: and almost there and not quite almost there, but I

647
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: but should be there, you know what I mean? They

648
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: were so amazing even back then. But um, the first

649
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: song we ever wrote was called night Owl, and I

650
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I wanted to do like an Everly

651
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: Brothers type of deal with them. And you know what,

652
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: here's one thing you need to know about me. I

653
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,919
Speaker 1: love my favorite songs and records are last songs and

654
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: on Revolution I have Miranda. Miranda's last song is Virginia

655
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: Blue Bell and then on this one on Tornado, it

656
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: was night Owl and it's sort of like, I just

657
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: love album closers. They're just the most poignant songs to me.

658
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 1: And so I wanted to write this Everly Brothers type

659
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: call an answer song for the record, and literally that

660
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: was the first song we wrote together. And then then

661
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: they started cutting my songs, which I was like, wow,

662
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: I had no idea how many of they had cut

663
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: on the Tornado record. And I was just so excited

664
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: because literally the Tornado record, you actually wrote torn it.

665
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 1: I mean, you wrote the song which is the records

666
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: named after. It's crazy. It's crazy if you don't get

667
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: paid extra for them. Did you write this or Pontoon

668
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: with them first? Um, I didn't write either one of

669
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: them with them for them, for them. I wrote this

670
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: for them first. Yeah, I meant for them, said this

671
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: one first, and then Pontoon second. Yeah, well you know what,

672
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: I wrote Pontoon and Luke and Berry and we almost

673
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: wrote it like as a joke. Yes, like literally were like,

674
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: I mean the first of all we originally I was

675
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: backed this bit up into the water. I mean, that's

676
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: how funny we were trying to like, and they just

677
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: made it cool. So when you write this and it's

678
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: a light song and like you just said, you kind

679
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: of wrote it. The idea came as a joke. It

680
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: was such a smash dude. I mean it blows my mind, Like,

681
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: I love, I love this song, I love how they

682
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: did it. But it just makes me laugh that my

683
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: piece of crap, piece of ship work tape can turn

684
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: into something like that. I mean, it blows my mind. Honestly.

685
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: When you when the when it was said motor boating,

686
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: did you guys laugh because that's Look, here's the story.

687
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: So we're like on avant and making ways and catching right.

688
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: Literally we write every line right up until that moment.

689
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: We're like, how do you in the open it? And

690
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: then if I was like motor boating, like what are

691
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: you gonna say? There? That's what you're saying, you say

692
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: motor boating. But it was like, oh do we say it?

693
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: Sure we because there is this generation of before it's

694
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: usually before like fifteen years old and then over fifty

695
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: that does not know what the inner meetings of motor

696
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: boating is. So it was sort of like we got

697
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: away with it concerning that crap, and some people were like,

698
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: you knew what that was and like, well, yeah, it's

699
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: in the freaking movie. And I'm like, but it was

700
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: just gonna say they're your boat A bit. Sorry I

701
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: say that, this is said whatever you want. So okay,

702
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: you have you write these little big town has two

703
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: monsters with them. I mean those really put them on

704
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: the map as like big acts. Blows my mind. I

705
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: mean honestly, yeah, but that put them on a big

706
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: catapulted them like in a crazy way. So here's a

707
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: funny story. Like we bought a pontoon, my husband and

708
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: I do, because we're like, if we're going to write

709
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: a song, we need to buy a pontoon. And literally

710
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: I hear in other people's boats on the lake. I

711
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: mean it's just it was crazy. And I'll tell you

712
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: what you could write a song about, like the most

713
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: poignant so long about your mother who did this, or

714
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: you know, saving souls and babies and all stuff. But

715
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: when we played pontoon, people just go batchick crazy over

716
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: it because it's a fun song. It's a fun song.

717
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: They love it. Do you have to you have to

718
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: remind yourself that sometimes it's okay just not to be

719
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: so serious. Yes, I mean Honestly, I think this best

720
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: advice is, I mean, you know, don't take yourself too seriously,

721
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 1: don't get piste off of people don't like your music.

722
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: Like for example, when we went to go buy this pontoon,

723
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: um my daughter, we had her on the boat and

724
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: we took a test drive with this guy and he

725
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: had to sell the boat because his wife is having

726
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: a baby. And he was so nice. We really enjoyed

727
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: talking to him. And as we get to the dock,

728
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: um my child's kind of getting fussy, and we've started

729
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: to get off the boat and she goes motor boat

730
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: and and the guy goes, oh my god, that song

731
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: is so awful, having no clue that I had readen it,

732
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: and my husband was like. My husband was looking at

733
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 1: me like, oh my god, what's she going to say?

734
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: And I just kind of put my head down. I

735
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: was like, that song is a piece of shit, and

736
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: I literally just walked away. It was the funniest moment,

737
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: and I just got the biggest kick out of it.

738
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: But I'm just I'm so grateful for my number one

739
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: piece of shit, you know, But in an awesome way.

740
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: Isn't it funny that your kid is singing it like

741
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: she's heard it, he knows it, but it's coming out

742
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: of a kid. I mean, it's that big of a

743
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: song that's all ways wrapped back around. I wrote what

744
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: we wrote one of those songs, you know. I was like,

745
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: that's just crazy to me. So it's funny you have

746
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: Do you have that one? Oh we've already sold it, yes,

747
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: And it is the truth. The day you buy the

748
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: boat and the day you sell her the best days

749
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 1: of your life. So I got into the whole boat

750
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: never never, never, never again. No thanks, tell me about

751
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: this one here. I don't know, you know what. That

752
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: one is so funny because that was the first time

753
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: I wrote with Shane and Luke together, and we just

754
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: were It was so random. Literally we didn't have a

755
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: hook at all. We just started from the very you know,

756
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: all the parties in the streets are talking or whatever.

757
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: I can't even think of my own lyrics, but my

758
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: point is we started on the verse and literally just

759
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: kind of wrote it line by line, and then whenever, um,

760
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: they cut it, I was just like, I don't know,

761
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: anytime someone cut something in mine, it's outside of my

762
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: quote unquote camp, I'm always like, oh, thank you, Jesus,

763
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But Um, Lady a Bellum

764
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: that was for me. That was a fluke, Like I

765
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: was like, I can't believe that just happened. But they

766
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: did it great. I mean, it did really well on

767
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: the charts and yeah, really well, it crushed I mean,

768
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: and they put out in this hilarious video here for it,

769
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: and I mean I was so grateful at the time.

770
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: So there's no big story behind it. Only big story

771
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: is the first time that um Shane and Luke and

772
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: I had ever written together, which I have a really

773
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: good luck with firsts Um. Even going back to Tornado, Um,

774
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: I wrote that with this girl, Delta Maide and she's

775
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: from Liverpool and it was two thousand and eleven. It

776
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: was the last right of the year from both me

777
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 1: and her, and she literally it was there was tornado

778
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: sirens going off outside and she's like, do you guys

779
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: have a lot of tornadoes here? And I'm like, yes,

780
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: we do. And she's like, I've always wanted to write

781
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: a song called Tornado, and I'm like, I was like,

782
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: that's a badass idea. I think that's a great idea.

783
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: So we wrote it and then literally Um Karen's like,

784
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: let's put it on hold. We're gonna call our record Tornado. Oh,

785
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: by the way, it's a single. Oh, it's you know,

786
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: ten five. And then it goes number one. And then

787
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: literally the next time I saw Delta was at our

788
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: number one party. So I've only seen her two times

789
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: in my life, and I just thought that was so.

790
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: But I have really good luck with riding with people

791
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: on the first drive. Is there ever an ego thing

792
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: amongst writers where someone goes, hey, I have an idea,

793
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: but you want to have the idea? Oh? Sure. I

794
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: mean we're all secretly jealous of one another. I mean,

795
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: especially when you hear a great song that one of

796
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: your friends where you're like, damn it. I'm like, I'll

797
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 1: never forget. And Mary play me my church. She uh,

798
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: she sent it to me in attacks and when she

799
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: was out there right with Buzzby and we had just

800
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: written with Buzzy, and I was like, dog got it,

801
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: and I literally I loved it so much. I was like,

802
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: that's that's amazing. I'm I'm totally pissed you wrote that

803
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: without me, but I'm totally excited for you. You talked

804
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: about me, and I'll let me talking about Sheared's baris

805
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: for a second. Alright, so again, Valentine's Day's coming up

806
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829
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: and we were talking about Marion Moore a second ago,

830
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: and I love the record. I'm a Marin fan. I

831
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: was getting in trouble for stealing YouTube clips and playing

832
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: Mare on the radio before the song is breaking out

833
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: here because I just I just love that you love

834
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: her music. I do. I didn't even know her, I

835
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: don't even know where I loved her music, and but

836
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: she came up and the record is so good. And

837
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 1: this is one of my favorite songs on the record.

838
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: I'm not here and the STU and you wrote this,

839
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,240
Speaker 1: I wrote with her and Ryan. This is a jam.

840
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: I love this song because but I wish, but I

841
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: wish jamn right there. I love that song. I mean,

842
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: and it's not a single yet, who knows if it

843
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: will be. It don't matter, that's just it's an amazing

844
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's it's an amazing song. I'm

845
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: super And it turned out the feel of it is

846
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 1: so nice. That backbeat playing, you know, and the piano.

847
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: Everything is perfect. The way you feeling about me. I

848
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: should let you singing, not me, because I love sing

849
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: on it make a hard say, so are you singing?

850
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: Believe me? Her and writer so gonna hate me if

851
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: you have to. I hate myself too because as much

852
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: as so, I'm not the hero and stuff. Oh my god,

853
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: thank you. I just love that song because I can

854
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: trut up and I don't want, but I wish, but

855
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: I wish. You know, both her and Ryan I come

856
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: separately and and done this and they're just both creative beings.

857
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: They are, they totally are, and they they create such

858
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: great music together too. And that wasn't the first time

859
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 1: I wrote the two of them. But um, I wrote

860
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: a song. Uh, I wrote that with Buzzby. Yeah, I

861
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: love the song. So you're in the Marin camp. I mean,

862
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: I will say Maren is probably um and forth no

863
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: me too. It's such a phenomenal record. Maren is, like

864
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: I called, I don't know she's ever told the story,

865
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: but um my friend Daniel Tashon was the one who

866
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: turned me onto her. And Daniel is an amazing writer

867
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: here and he's from Nashville. Two He's like, you need

868
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: to write with this girl Mary where she's amazing and

869
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: I was and he sent me a song and I flipped,

870
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: you should hear the songs that she hasn't cut. I mean,

871
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm if I do another record, I'm gonna put on

872
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: some of them on my record. Like, she don't have

873
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: no choice, but my my, I called her. I went

874
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: to Kroeger late one night because I was leaving the

875
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: next day, and I was like, I called her a

876
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: ten thirty. I was like, you don't know me, but

877
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: my name is Natalie himmy. I was like, I love

878
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: your writing and your voice, and I was like, I

879
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 1: just want to I would love to get together, right

880
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: and we we have a true friendship, she and I do.

881
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: We just it's a very like honestly, Marion doesn't need me,

882
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I don't. None of these

883
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: people need me. And that's what I really love about

884
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 1: working with these people's We don't really need each other,

885
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: but we love working together and that's what makes it fun.

886
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: And that's how I feel about her. She has a

887
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: camp of a great group of people she writes with,

888
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: but um, she can write her ass off. She's a

889
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: great writer. So the first song, you know what turned

890
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: me onto her. It was a song and she hadn't

891
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: cut I think it's called hate. Oh god, that's what.

892
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: That's the first song I ever heard. That's the first

893
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: thing I played ever of hers. And I was like this,

894
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: this is like different level type stuff. And it was

895
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: it on the record and it sits on YouTube. You

896
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: can still find it, and it's I mean it is.

897
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: I was like, holy crap, oh my god. Well we

898
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: wrote a song. That song like literally made me cry.

899
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: Um but one of my favorite songs. I'm literally going

900
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: to put it on my next record. It's called that

901
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: I wrote with her. It's called No Way Out. And

902
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: I wrote it with her and Ian fit Chick, and

903
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: it's like it's like, who told ude there was no

904
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: way out? Every door was open, everyone came down? Who

905
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: told you there was no way out? It's such a

906
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: beautiful song, and she has she has the ability to

907
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: write this super sassy songs, but she's so heartfelt. You know.

908
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: I love that girl. I'm so glad you love her too.

909
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: You know, there are some people that just root for too.

910
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: You just love their music, but you also root for

911
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: them because of how they did things. Yeah told and

912
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: there's and and she was here three weeks or so ago,

913
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: and you know she came because Ryan, Ryan, I did

914
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: this month ago. And then I was like, I want

915
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: to come to your house and do this. And I

916
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: was like, let's find a time because I'm always on

917
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: the road. She's always on the road. And she came

918
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: up and we sat down and talked and I told her,

919
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I'm a fan. But when you

920
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: got up and you you spoke at the CMAS when

921
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: she won the Best New Artists, We talked about the speech.

922
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: She was like, I don't have anything ready. They started

923
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: rushing me. I said, you said to me, what was

924
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: one of the more poignant things? And something that I

925
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: remember the triggers constantly is that one year ago you

926
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: were sitting at a freaking bar across the street watching

927
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: on TV. That's how it is. And if that's not

928
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 1: if you don't get inspired by that, I don't know.

929
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what can inspire you. I don't either.

930
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: I was literally drinking and tweeting all night and I'm

931
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: just like Mary Moore, I was like, and I literally

932
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: called her and I'd say, I was like, I'm so sorry.

933
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: How about this song right here, because I love this

934
00:49:52,880 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: one here. I was like, yeah, well, you know what

935
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: Keith is. I mean, Keith is so he's he's so talented,

936
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: a great player. And actually this was our second right

937
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: we had written on and because meet him and Michael

938
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: Alsando and actually that day we wrote this song, it

939
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: was a really tough day and and it was just

940
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: sort of like, you know what Keith is. He doesn't

941
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: need me either. But basically, I would say, Keith and

942
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: I are like an orange in a mushroom. We don't

943
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: We're not in the same food group necessarily. But you

944
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: know what, I learned a lot from him, Like when

945
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: he started playing this guitar riff, I was like, I

946
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: started singing a totally different Melanie and he said to me, goes, okay,

947
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 1: that's really badass, he said, but it sounds more badass

948
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: when you sing it. If I sing it, it it sounds

949
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 1: it does not sound the same. And I was like, touche,

950
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: that totally makes sense to me. You know, but Keith

951
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: is very Um, he's a passionate person. He's a passionate writer,

952
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: and I had a blast riding with him on that day.

953
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: But it was also really tough day, um, only because

954
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: I was just trying to figure out which direction he

955
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: wanted to go. You know, sometimes you walk in with

956
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: ideas for people and it's just you have to feel

957
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: out the room. And I was trying to get his

958
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 1: vibe on it. But you know what, I'm so grateful

959
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: that he cut that song and I love how it

960
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: turned out in the guitar sol is amazing on it.

961
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 1: So I want to get to your album a second.

962
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: I want a couple more go, a couple more songs

963
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 1: deep though on stuff to You Britain. Like my favorite artists,

964
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: frankly are strong women artists period like current, so that

965
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: they are, and I love Marin. Like my favorite contemporary

966
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: artist right now is Casey Musgrave's period. She's she's my favorite,

967
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: Like she's my favorite, my favorite, she's everybody's favorite. She's awesome.

968
00:51:55,239 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: And so I don't want to be a boy good appreciate.

969
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: So tell me about this song. Well, you know I

970
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: have been I mean before, I mean i've from here.

971
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: I mean I've been saying for years, I'm like, screw

972
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: the boys club, like, and I do mean the good

973
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: old boys club. You know here there was this I

974
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not trying to rip on the guys

975
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: because there's you can't feel free. I do all the time.

976
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: I think it's like, you know what, there's a lot

977
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: of talented guys, but I'm just kind of tired of

978
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: the same ship that sounds the same coming out all

979
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: the time, same dudes who sound right and same crap.

980
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm talking about. Everybody's been preaching

981
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: it for a while. But it's like when this girl

982
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: right here, there's five girls right now I think on

983
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: Top fifty radio and country music, and I'm just like,

984
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: damn it, come on. There's a shift happening though. There

985
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: is a shift, and I think it's and I'm so

986
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 1: grateful old that we have voices. And I'm not saying

987
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: put us on the radio because we have boobs. I'm saying,

988
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 1: put us there's some great music coming from female artists

989
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: that have not been given a chance. That's what it is.

990
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: So for me, and this has been something that over

991
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: the past, you know, since my little tenure started in

992
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: Nashville is that every year, I would just take a

993
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: week and just highlight females. I was raised by all women,

994
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: like like I was raised by all women, mom, grandma, sisters.

995
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: So for me, it's a idea. I love. That's how

996
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 1: my husband is. I mean, he's been around girls all

997
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 1: his life, and I mean there's and there's some strong

998
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: women here. There's some amazing singers here. But here's where

999
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: the blame goes, because Rolling Stone want company, like, hey

1000
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: tell us why there are no women? And my thing

1001
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: it's not a First of all, I'm different because I'm

1002
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: an idiot and I get to put whatever I want

1003
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: now at this point. I didn't always. I got a

1004
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: lot of trouble when I first started. I love that

1005
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: because I get to write whatever I want at this point.

1006
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: Now we kind of get to choose our own destination.

1007
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: We get in the first I failed, miserable. I'm writing

1008
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: my second book is called Winning by Losing, Like you

1009
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: have to lose so many times to learn to win.

1010
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: So with that I would bring every year. I just

1011
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: I would find all these girls that I felt like,

1012
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: we're not being featured in showcase, and they would say,

1013
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: why are ready ready to play women. And I was like, well,

1014
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: here's the thing. When there's a sound that's created, everybody

1015
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: wants to copy it because it's all not money. Everything's revenue.

1016
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 1: Everything is the whole world's wrapped around revenue, whatever industry

1017
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: you're in. And because this sound comes out that we'll

1018
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: just call it what everybody called it was bro country,

1019
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: which I think is unfairly called that, but okay, fine,

1020
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: we'll use that term very male, very male, very male,

1021
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: and very fun male like party mail. Yes, but the

1022
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: labels weren't developing females at all. They were developing them

1023
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: to even give out as an option because they saw

1024
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: what was selling. So their minor leagues weren't strong when

1025
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: it came to Okay, so this runs out right right

1026
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: like when it runs out like what do we do?

1027
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: And so my thing has been we don't need a

1028
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: revolution of anything because the revolution will then fall away.

1029
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: The best to win, I agree with, and I think

1030
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: is a great example of that. And Brothers Osborne, I mean,

1031
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: that's what I really just want to see as great

1032
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: music when and I just my thing is like, there's

1033
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: some really great female artists and Casey being one of

1034
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: them that I feel like you've got to give him

1035
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: more of a chance to be on radio. I mean,

1036
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: I think people would I don't know. I I think

1037
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: people would love to hear a little bit more diversity

1038
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: in country music if they would just offer it a

1039
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: little bit more. And you know what, And again I

1040
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: don't speak for me, I'm speaking for radio and as

1041
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: because I feel like a lot of these guys get

1042
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: a bad rap in radio because they only play what's

1043
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: offered to them from the record label. That's that's true.

1044
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: I mean like, well, right in radio, well the record

1045
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: labels of blaming radio's don't pick singles that we were offered.

1046
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: This is the single, will it work? And then we're like, oh,

1047
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: let's see. So um with that being said, I do

1048
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: want to talk about your record because I mean I

1049
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: told I tweeted you. I was like, I'll listening to

1050
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: this thing, dude, thank you so much for tweeting me.

1051
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: I've never been tweeted and I felt I was like

1052
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: nerd boy, because dude, are you kidding? So first of all,

1053
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Speaker 1: talking about the title of the record and what it means, Well,

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00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: Plexico is a little town in southeast Missouri. It's called Plexico,

1055
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: and um, I Basically, here's the long short of it.

1056
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: I got this hair brain idea before White Liar, before

1057
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: I had any number one song, to do a documentary.

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00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: And my grandparents small hometown in southeast Missouri, and basically

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00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: they have this festival every year called Homecoming, and anywhere

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00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: from eight ten people come out to this tiny town

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00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: of like literally it's like people now that live in

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00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: this town for from Tuesday to Saturday, and they have

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00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: carnival rides, square dancing, got burgers. It's like literally Mayberry

1064
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: with a little carnival and it's such a bygone era.

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00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: And I noticed one year the attendance was really down,

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00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, I wish we could do a

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00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: documentary and based it on you know, how do you

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00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: keep Homecoming live? How do you keep your town alive?

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00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: How do you keep it tradition alive? And so I

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00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: got together. I met Ryan Silver and Scott um Murphy

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00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: and we went and filmed in Puxico for two weeks.

1072
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: Was hot, aest week ever on record, and it was exhausting.

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00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: And we did this documentary but it turned into this

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00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: thing more of a story about my grandfather and I

1075
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: and our relationship and like why why I love Plexico

1076
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: so much is really because of him, and it's like,

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00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: and that's part of what I have on the front

1078
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: of the record. It's like, in the beginning, I thought

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00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: this was about a town, but really it's about a man,

1080
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: a man who loved me so much I had to

1081
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: tell the world, you know, that's sort of deal. And

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00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: that's kind of what it came into. And so what

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00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: happened though, was I had the soundtrack that I written

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00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: for it with some great buddies of mine, Trent Davis

1085
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: being one of them, Lindsay Chapman, Gin Shot Keilly, archer Um,

1086
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: Jonathan Cassandra Lawson, a lot all these people contributed contribute

1087
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: to this, and so I Ryan and Maren actually we're

1088
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: going to Michigan and they were like, can we have

1089
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: the soundtrack to Busco? We really love the music and

1090
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: they were listening to it on the way up there

1091
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: and they kept texting me, you gotta put this out.

1092
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: This is so well. I was gonna put it out

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00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: more as a soundtrack and just more, I was like,

1094
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: but then I'm like, no, this is my first record.

1095
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: It really is. This is like the deepest part of

1096
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: who I am as a person. This is like part

1097
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: of my story, my history, and I love my husband

1098
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: produced it. He played most of the instruments on there.

1099
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: But we got like some great guys like Fred answering him,

1100
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: Greg Lee's Um play on it, and Jonathan actually played

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00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: on Cairo. But I it became this beautiful. I just

1102
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: loved how the project turned out. So it sounded so beautiful.

1103
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: It's just sounded like my soul bled, you know. And

1104
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: I love going joy, still love to keep driving past

1105
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: the goat k. She used to be a beauty back

1106
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:57,919
Speaker 1: in eighteen have to following the funds. Now she's went

1107
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: about the river and she's still well that she is gone.

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01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: Two questions, yes, question one, can you appreciate just how

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01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: good that is? I love it? Okay good? I hope

1110
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: so no I do. And you know what, that was

1111
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: always the pressure of putting out a first record. It's

1112
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: like you wait all this time. It's like I I

1113
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: listened to that over and over and over and over

1114
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: and over again because it was just it made me

1115
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: cry the first time I heard it. Just sonically, sonically

1116
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: the whole thing, it's gorgeous. Husband did such a and

1117
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm not like I mean, don't get me wrong, we

1118
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: fight in the studio too, but I so appreciate him musically,

1119
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: I think he is he has great taste, and he's

1120
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: worked with some brilliant engineers, producers, artists all all these years.

1121
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: It's like he's been conditioned for these different these types

1122
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: of moments as well. But literally, that sonically just is

1123
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: music to my It's so warm sounding, and honestly, that

1124
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: is how I feel when I drive through Cairo, Illinois.

1125
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: Cairo is so such an archaic town and it's like literally, uh,

1126
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: the bones of something that used to be beautiful and

1127
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: there are still people that. By the way, it's also

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01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: pronounced Cairo, Illinois, which I do know this, but I

1129
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: was like, to the world, someone's gonna look at this

1130
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: and say, oh, Cairo, Illinois. I mean, right now, it's Cairo.

1131
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: What's funny. In the South and in the Midwest, there's

1132
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: all these different towns. There's like a rab which was Arab,

1133
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: there's Advanced Missouri. It's advanced, you know. So I've gotten

1134
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: a couple of hate males. It's like, you do know

1135
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,439
Speaker 1: it's pronounced Caro right or or Cairo, and I'm like, yes,

1136
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: I do, but um, but anyways, the town is a

1137
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: relic of what it used to probably look like. But

1138
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: to me, it's a symbol of me going home to

1139
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: a place I love, or a symbol of my heartbreak

1140
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 1: having to leave a place I love. And that's kind

1141
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: of what Jonathan, he's from Missouri too, and he was

1142
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: kind of saying the same thing. But when you drive through,

1143
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: it's a very unique. It's an eerie kind of place

1144
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: in this beautiful way. Do you when you sing? And

1145
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: and your reputation too, because I have a lot of

1146
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: songwriter friends, and your reputation is you don't want to

1147
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 1: sing a song that you sing in a demo, it's

1148
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: tough to follow you. People always say that they really

1149
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: people don't want to follow Laurie mckennic. That they're like

1150
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: if you get a Lorry Hillary, yes, or you. I

1151
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: mean those are the ones like, oh, you can't sing

1152
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: like Nally Like, that's that's what people say. Like when

1153
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: you hear you sing, are you like? Man? I like,

1154
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: I'm an elite vocalist. I don't think I'm elite. I mean,

1155
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: I have my way of doing things, but I don't

1156
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, you're elite. Hey, that's my

1157
01:02:54,040 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: rapper name I'll take it not to lem. Sorry, I

1158
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: love I picked a few of my favorites, dude, pick away.

1159
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: It's still I never know how would be just thinking,

1160
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: were you nervous before I came out? Oh, I'm so

1161
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: nervous you were? Oh yeah, because because why though, Like

1162
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: what was the pressure for you in your head? You know,

1163
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've had so many people like through

1164
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: later on and through the years, would be like, when

1165
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: are you going to put a record out? And I'm like,

1166
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: I ain't put it on a record, um, just because

1167
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: during the time when I was going to put out

1168
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: a record, you had to have a record deal. And

1169
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: it just to me, it's like I've watched other people

1170
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: put out the records. It's really nerve wracking. And I

1171
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: really I was nervous because I wanted my peers to

1172
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: like it. That's really what it is. I mean you

1173
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: could sit here and say I don't care if nobody

1174
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: likes it, and I do feel that way a little bit.

1175
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I like what I like and I don't

1176
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: let anybody else get in the way of that. But

1177
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: but I also want to be I want people other

1178
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 1: people to like it. Not really for a selfish reason.

1179
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 1: But just you know, I loved the fact that Marion

1180
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: and Ryan called me on the way on a road

1181
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: trip and they wanted to listen to this because that

1182
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 1: is what that's how I want people to listen to

1183
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: this record. I wanted them to go back home, take

1184
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,919
Speaker 1: a road trip somewhere, put it, put it in the car,

1185
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: roll the windows down, you know, and just kind of

1186
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: escape and be happy and have that feeling of nostalgia

1187
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: a little bit. You know, let me give him one

1188
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: more tell me about this song here. I mean, well,

1189
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, you know what um Gin shot. That

1190
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: was her idea, and it was so crazy. We I

1191
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 1: hadn't I actually didn't write it for the documentary. We

1192
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: we wrote it because she had lost her dad and

1193
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: she had gone back home, and you know, just anytime

1194
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: you lose someone that you love, it's almost like they're

1195
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: still around, even when you go back home to visit.

1196
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what this was about. But it

1197
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: turned into so much more. Um When my record came out,

1198
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: it was Friday January and that was the anniversary, which

1199
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: was coincidence of when Jin's father had passed away, and

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01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: then also I lost an aunt that day. And I

1201
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: don't know Dorf, you know Andrew Door fast Away, and

1202
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: it just this song hits home in so many ways,

1203
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 1: you know. Um, even when I go home to Puxico,

1204
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: it's like I still feel like my grandmother's there. You know.

1205
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 1: It's like we all had to leave our fingerprints behind.

1206
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: Show I gets you long around, something to talk about stops.

1207
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: Oh this I can so good. Thank you so much?

1208
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: Should Beau, that's so good. It means a lot that

1209
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: you like it. Honestly, it's not listening to Carolin like

1210
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: I love it. I care. I'm like, I like what

1211
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: you like. You like all my friends. We like the

1212
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 1: same thing. Natalie him, Wow, dude, we're like best friends already.

1213
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: I just look at this body of work. And even now,

1214
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,919
Speaker 1: it's like it's I understand why I'm intimidated to talk

1215
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: to you. Oh shut, it's the way you You're just

1216
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: on a different level. I don't. I'm actually not. I'm

1217
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: just you know, I love music just like everybody else.

1218
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: And I honestly I always want to throw a few

1219
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: curveballs here and there, and but I just I'm so

1220
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 1: glad I get to do it because I didn't get

1221
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: to do it for a long time. You know, I

1222
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 1: didn't know if I was gonna be able to ever.

1223
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: I never thought of be able to have a career

1224
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: like this, you know. I always hoped for it, but

1225
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: um man, it's been a ride. If it all ends tomorrow,

1226
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: I will I will die grateful, you know. And I

1227
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: just hope nobody plays really bad songs in my fear

1228
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 1: now and you're actually leaving here to go? Right? Can

1229
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: I say this to r with Lucy? And anytime Lucy

1230
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 1: gets brought up on this, we always call her. And

1231
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: I was like, what and so we have to call

1232
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 1: Lucy for myself and most and last time she didn't answer,

1233
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 1: but she'd call me right back, because she'll answer. I

1234
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: think I told her I was coming over here. Okay,

1235
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: then she'll know. She's like, should say nice thing? Or

1236
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: did you just watch out? She probably hates me, but

1237
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 1: she's like my best buddy. I love her so much.

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01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: Good evening, we're talking about you again on I know,

1239
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: so so Natalie and I are here talking, So what

1240
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: what would you say about now? That's not listening. She's

1241
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 1: in the isolation booth. So the isolation booth, I mind

1242
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 1: just conjuring up all sorts of images. Um, what would

1243
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 1: I say about Natalie? How can anyone resist that? Husky boys?

1244
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: It's just so appealing. I could listen to it all

1245
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 1: day and all night, speaking or singing. Um, she's the

1246
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 1: coolest person she's I met her a long time ago,

1247
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: so she's been very big part of my Nashville story

1248
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 1: and we've been a lot of changes in my life.

1249
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: She was there for as well. And she's the sweetest,

1250
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: sweetest person, very humble and sweet, but talented. She's like

1251
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: a bonny rate to me. So you do realize every

1252
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: time that we bring a friend up here, we're gonna

1253
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 1: call you on the phone and ask you your thoughts.

1254
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 1: These I'm looking at. Is it a monthly podcast or

1255
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: a weekly? It's weekly and sometimes a couple of weeks. Yeah,

1256
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: I seem to have missed a couple of weeks. That's okay.

1257
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 1: That's the good thing about a podcast. You can catch up.

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Speaker 1: All right, Yes, we're that's the big finale. That's gonna

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01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 1: be the final episode and we finally have you on

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01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: after all the cell phone calls. Okay, well you guys

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01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: have fun, all right, Bye Lucy, bye bye. So let

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01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:40,679
Speaker 1: me just tell you a little thing about Lucy. Lucy

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01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,640
Speaker 1: and I are the same age, but we met and

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01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 1: we had to we had to stay. We We've got

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01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: on all these b and my trips together and we

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01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: always stay in the same room. And she is so

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01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,799
Speaker 1: damn gorgeous. And when she wakes up in the morning,

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01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: she has wild, crazy, beautiful Victoria's secret hair, and like,

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01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: has this key little outfit on, and I am literally

1270
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 1: in a sweatshirt and sweatpants. I might as well have

1271
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: a retainer on and face cream and hair in a bun,

1272
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 1: and like seriously like and we both we both sound

1273
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 1: like men in the morning, like like, do you want

1274
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: to get some coffee? Yes, Natalie, I love some coffee. Yeah.

1275
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 1: I mean literally, It's like it's so funny. She to me.

1276
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: We were at dinner a month or so. I go

1277
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: and I just never talked to her about her past life,

1278
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: which is the music she made in the UK. And

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01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 1: I was like, Lucy, we sent all the time together,

1280
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: what tell me about Like what? She goes, I sold

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01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: a million records in the UK and I was like what.

1282
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 1: She was like, she's a million, And I'm like, what

1283
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 1: was your biggest song? She's like, oh, I did a

1284
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: metallic a cover of nothing else matters with the with

1285
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: the bat and I literally they were murdered her over

1286
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 1: the internet, like some of the Metallica fans. Was blown

1287
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,839
Speaker 1: away and I came home and it was way before

1288
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 1: the rasp that she has now. But yeah, it's really awesome. Anyway,

1289
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: Lucy gets brought up in every one of these because

1290
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: everybody loves Lucy. If you don't love Lucy, I don't

1291
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 1: love you. That's what we should make these t shirts of.

1292
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 1: Let me end with this. It's a little so. I

1293
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 1: have a girlfriend that's an artist. You have a husband

1294
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: that's in the industry. How do you guys, Because it's

1295
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 1: a it's a cool thing because you can bond and relate,

1296
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 1: but it's also a lot. Oh yeah, I know. It's

1297
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: always home and um, you know it's hard. I mean

1298
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 1: sometimes it's hard, you know. I since my family is

1299
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: in the music business, I kind of learned how to

1300
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 1: navigate between those two. And I do. I work with

1301
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 1: men all the time, and but I literally have thousands

1302
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 1: of brothers in the world, is what I always say.

1303
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: But you know what I think the thing is, you

1304
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: just have to always remain respectful of each other and

1305
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: your talents. And you know what. I also there's times

1306
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 1: where I have had nothing going on and he just

1307
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 1: kept it going, kept me inspired, kept me writing. And

1308
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:08,640
Speaker 1: there's times where he's had nothing going and I'm like,

1309
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 1: I kept him going, kept inspired. And I always tell him, like,

1310
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 1: you know what, one thing that we're really good at

1311
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 1: is we pull inward, you know when we when we

1312
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 1: when he I make music together, good things happen. And

1313
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for that, you know, because it sure

1314
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:30,600
Speaker 1: beats the alternative. What about because this has become oddly

1315
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: very like a lot of artists listened to this because

1316
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 1: I get to get people like you and talk a

1317
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 1: long time and there's not a lot of that. I

1318
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:42,719
Speaker 1: get to bring in songwriters and really go deep into

1319
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: ideas and thoughts and um so artists will come and

1320
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 1: even young artists and say, hey, you know, how do

1321
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: I do this? How do I do? What do you

1322
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 1: tell artists that are are starting now? Like what's the

1323
01:12:55,320 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 1: key to it all? I think I think the hey

1324
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 1: do it all? Is authenticity? And like you know what

1325
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 1: do you? I don't know? You have. It has to

1326
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: happen at the right time or it will not work

1327
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: and you'll have a short career and it'll be over.

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01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: I mean, if you start too soon and you don't

1329
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 1: know who you are and you have labels telling you

1330
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 1: who you are, it just it will not work out. You.

1331
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 1: You really have to be give yourself time to develop

1332
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:27,759
Speaker 1: who you are as an artist, because literally that music

1333
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 1: will be out forever. You know. I am so glad

1334
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 1: by the way it did not work out for me

1335
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 1: back then, because I might have turned into When you

1336
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 1: signed at a label, you become a product, you know,

1337
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 1: and if you can have your product ironed out before

1338
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 1: you get to a label, man, what a much better

1339
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 1: road to travel. I mean, I feel like that's why

1340
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 1: Maren is successful, why Casey got her deal, like a

1341
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: lot of these artists did that, you know, even Lucy.

1342
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: But if you start off and you're like, make me

1343
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 1: somebody in your just a great singer, well I don't.

1344
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 1: It's not gonna work. You have to be true to

1345
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 1: who you are. If you're going through a really shitty time,

1346
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: write some songs about it because people will believe you.

1347
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: I think people want to believe artists now again. You know,

1348
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 1: all the authenticity has been gone for so long, and

1349
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 1: now it's so refreshing. It's craved it is. That's why

1350
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,719
Speaker 1: Adela is so huge, because she breaks through this wall

1351
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:28,520
Speaker 1: of sounds on radio and when her song when Hello

1352
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: you Know, comes on, You're like you listen because it's

1353
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 1: like you feel something. I think people want to feel

1354
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: music again and not I mean, look, I love dance music,

1355
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: I love I love good party songs. But I'm just

1356
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:45,640
Speaker 1: saying we need a nice mixture of everything, and it

1357
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 1: all needs to be authentic, no matter what it is.

1358
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 1: You know, one of the artists, and you mentioned Shane

1359
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: McNally earlier, we did say his last name is Shane um.

1360
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 1: And I like Shane a lot because first of all,

1361
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: it's a great writer. He is one of the best

1362
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 1: writers in nash He really, he's a phenomenal writer. He

1363
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 1: obviously he has you know, Sam is heavy Shane. You know,

1364
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: they work together at time. And Walker Hayes. I have

1365
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 1: Walker Eyes opening for me now on my stand up

1366
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 1: comedy tour and Walkers He's awesome. He's like my favorite

1367
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 1: walking on my favorite right And that's why I was like, dude,

1368
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:18,599
Speaker 1: you have to come out and do shows me for

1369
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: like five months. Yeah, And so Shane signed Walker, So

1370
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: I have all these you know, ways around to Shane.

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01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 1: But I talked about the authenticity of just even the

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01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 1: words of for example, Sam, and people go, oh, say

1373
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 1: the haters will go, oh, no they do, but really

1374
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 1: Sam is totally himself. He even the words he says

1375
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 1: sometimes don't fit, but it's so real it is that

1376
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 1: it fits because it's human words said well and he

1377
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 1: wrote them. I mean, he this is what, this is

1378
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: what he does. You know what I'm saying. Whether you

1379
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 1: like it or not, whether you like it or not.

1380
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 1: Even Florida Georgia Line, I mean, they have their own sound.

1381
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 1: That's there. You know, party boys sound kind of thing.

1382
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 1: It's funny you bring that up. I was asked about

1383
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 1: that and I said, everybody blames them, and I was like,

1384
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 1: they're not to blame. They created a new sound like

1385
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: he did. Everybody copying them is what this culture became

1386
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 1: for a while and it started to break out of that.

1387
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 1: But the people that blame Florida Georgia Line, they're ridiculous

1388
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 1: that they they was so new that it was, and

1389
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:24,640
Speaker 1: I mean the cruise thing was just so huge that

1390
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 1: it launched a format for like three and a half

1391
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 1: years of NonStop that and did other things fault. It's

1392
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 1: not their fault that they were so different. But it's

1393
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 1: like you can look at any trend and like that

1394
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 1: in music. I mean even like I remember Vanilla Ice

1395
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 1: came out back in the day and it was just like,

1396
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 1: oh my god, he's amazing. But I mean then then

1397
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 1: that stuff went away. It was like I had the

1398
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 1: tape was back in the day we bought singles on tape.

1399
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 1: Of course I did too, and I had Ice Ice Baby,

1400
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: and you flipped it around. It was played that funky

1401
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 1: music White Boy it was, I remember. And I also

1402
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: had the the EMC hammer of an l ice right

1403
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 1: down the middle and it was one on each side,

1404
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: and then I had the MC hammer. You can't touch this.

1405
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:10,640
Speaker 1: Have you seen her on the back side? I don't know.

1406
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 1: I remember heavy seen her? Tell me have you seen her? Yeah?

1407
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 1: Like he's like totally talking to the background, and then

1408
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: a long comes Snoop Dogg is just wiped all that out.

1409
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 1: There's always something that comes along and wipes well. It's

1410
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 1: like the hair bands into into grunt and it said

1411
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 1: they you know good and just like that, you know

1412
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 1: nerv It smells like the video of smells like Teach

1413
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 1: Forget the first I thought in the gymnais and then

1414
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 1: it changed everything, and then it did until the boy

1415
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: bands came in, and then it changed everything. And then

1416
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 1: trends always end up going and coming and then they

1417
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:54,599
Speaker 1: come back again, and that's just the everything cycles it does.

1418
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:58,759
Speaker 1: And I actually really like this, this Chris Stapleton cycle.

1419
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: I hope it sticks around for a really long time.

1420
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 1: It's funny though. Go back to the birthday. I Ericauld

1421
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 1: call me one time. She goes, hey, I gotta spot

1422
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 1: you play blueber Round Chris, And I said, no, I'm not. No.

1423
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 1: She goes, what are you serious. I was like, no,

1424
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 1: I'm dead. No, there's no way I'm playing in around

1425
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 1: with Chris Stapleton. This is my and I will leave

1426
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 1: on this story. This is my favorite Chris tablet to

1427
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:28,799
Speaker 1: the story. Um so I heard Chris sing on YouTube.

1428
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 1: Um and and then and you've been writing and one

1429
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 1: of my favorite, one of my Like you know, I

1430
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 1: have like ten really good friends in town. Less than ten,

1431
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 1: but you know, two hands right, yeah, And one of them,

1432
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 1: like my close friends, is a writer named Lee Thomas Miller.

1433
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 1: Lee Miller, we don't call Thomas, okay, close? Like, yeah,

1434
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: I don't hang out. I hang out with Lee and

1435
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 1: so every other Wednesday, him and Chris are right together

1436
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 1: for years, for years, they're just right, right right. And

1437
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:58,600
Speaker 1: listened to Chris sing on YouTube and I was like,

1438
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 1: I gotta have this guy. He didn't sing out it is,

1439
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 1: so I called him and he was in the shower

1440
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 1: and he was like. I was like, hey, come on

1441
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,719
Speaker 1: the studio, just play because I just think it's so amazing.

1442
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 1: And it was my early days here too, and I

1443
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,600
Speaker 1: was causing trouble and people did it wasn't going It

1444
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 1: wasn't going good for me. It wasn't it wasn't going

1445
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 1: good for me at the time because I was just like,

1446
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 1: screw all. I just want to do what I want

1447
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:20,599
Speaker 1: to do. And it doesn't work. I'm fine with that.

1448
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:22,839
Speaker 1: But so Chris comes up and he plays and he

1449
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 1: obviously crushes it. And I think he came up and

1450
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 1: he's saying a Josh Turner song that he had written.

1451
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 1: So he comes up and he sinks, and I'm just like,

1452
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 1: holy crapt. So I'm buying him back again. I'm buying back.

1453
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,679
Speaker 1: About the fourth time he comes up, someone very high

1454
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 1: at a radio station over stations called called my boss says, hey,

1455
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 1: I don't know who this Chris guy is, but you've

1456
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: got to stop having a mom because nobody knows who

1457
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 1: he is. And I go and I go to my

1458
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 1: boss and I'm like, but he's so good. I know

1459
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 1: he doesn't even have a record out right now, but

1460
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 1: he's so He's just so good, and that's what I

1461
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: want on the air. I'm not kidding you. A week

1462
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: and a half later, he goes on the c m

1463
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 1: as and that's the when him at timber Lake saying

1464
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 1: again and I didn't have say anything, and you don't

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Speaker 1: like to be like I told you i'd have to

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01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 1: say anything. No, you don't have to say an nothing.

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01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: And I was so happy for Chris. Yeah, and everybody

1468
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,600
Speaker 1: is so happy for Chris because you talk about a grinder.

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01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know he's he's been doing in Morgan

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01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 1: Morgan is I've wrote one of my favorite songs with Morgan.

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01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 1: I wrote a song called Casino. It was on the

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01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 1: UM Nashville Show. But she, oh my god, is she

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01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 1: a singer? And literally like I just had terrible things

1474
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 1: said to her when she was signed to Sony and

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01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 1: you know they made her go to I don't even

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01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:38,799
Speaker 1: want to say it. They just they've just basically stripped

1477
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 1: her self confidence and you you want to talk about

1478
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 1: also one of the best singers in Nashville, Morgan Stapleton,

1479
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 1: is a mother ever of a singer. But um so

1480
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 1: it was so nice to see the two of them

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01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 1: standing up there together, and um but, I I feel

1482
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 1: like it's fun. I mean, it's fun to watch people

1483
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 1: jump on the bandwagon after the fact when you were

1484
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 1: like back in the day, going yeah, this person is

1485
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 1: amazing and you guys are all stupid and you have

1486
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 1: no clue, you know what I mean. It's like, oh, now,

1487
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 1: now now you're ready to accept. But whatever, at least

1488
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 1: they get it. But at least they get it. At

1489
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 1: least they get That was mine too. I was like,

1490
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 1: I was just happy for him. I was losing my mind.

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01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 1: I was so happy for him that I was like,

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01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 1: I don't even care that people. I don't even you know,

1493
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 1: And I have a library of Chris playing live and

1494
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 1: nobody else does. I have a library in the studio

1495
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 1: of him coming up just playing songs that's nobody else

1496
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 1: has because I have him basically doing his whole record

1497
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 1: acoustic live, because he would just come and play, and

1498
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 1: so now I just needed to do the whole shows.

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01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 1: Don't worry to play them all the time. I really

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01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 1: enjoyed this. Oh me too, buddy to a lot of

1501
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:46,680
Speaker 1: fun for me. Oh listen, I'll yes. I thank you

1502
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 1: for supporting great artists too. I'm serious. I'm not kissing

1503
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 1: your ass and being serious like that's a really I

1504
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 1: can't say enough about that. I just want people to

1505
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 1: champion good music, you know. And I'm not saying like,

1506
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 1: just because you don't I don't like your music, it's

1507
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 1: not good music. I'm just saying they're like people who genuinely,

1508
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 1: like genuinely are talented, and people all over the world

1509
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 1: would recognize it, you know what I mean. Put those

1510
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:13,800
Speaker 1: people up in the spotlight. I love that, you know well,

1511
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 1: I've this has been fund a definite presence that I

1512
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 1: enjoy well. Likewise, I'm not a president anyway, I got nothing.

1513
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 1: We have all the same friends, so that makes us

1514
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 1: really close friends immediately. So Natalie, thank you so much

1515
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 1: for having me downloaded, and I always have downloaded. Don't

1516
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 1: stream it because you stream it, she ain't gett paid.

1517
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:42,559
Speaker 1: Thank you. This has been episode thirty four and probably

1518
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 1: might you have any questions you're sitting over there producing

1519
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 1: a idea. We asked our question, do you ever like

1520
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 1: get an idea in a dream for a song? Like

1521
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,760
Speaker 1: you wake up and oh my god, Yes, that is

1522
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 1: so weird. You say that, I've done it several times,

1523
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:00,799
Speaker 1: like I'll and I'll try to sing. I get melodies

1524
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 1: of my dreams, so I'll sing into my phone at

1525
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 1: three in the morning. But it's like, dude, it's like

1526
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 1: two octaves lower than it should be. But all the

1527
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: time it's weird. It's divine. All right, Well, we'll see

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