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Speaker 1: Hello Texans, and welcome to the program. As we get

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Speaker 1: you in touch with the Houston Texans. It's a football Friday.

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Speaker 1: It's always a football Friday when it's a Friday. Mark

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Speaker 1: Vandermayer and John Harris with you. Johnny, great to visit.

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Speaker 1: We haven't visited for a few days. I know you

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Speaker 1: had three up or three from Deep or whatever it's

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Speaker 1: your reaction. So I'm gonna blend that with Gut Reaction,

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Speaker 1: with a few other things a little bit later on

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Speaker 1: Tim Jamison, former Texans player who was kind of a

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Speaker 1: Swiss Army and I've kind of guy on defense and

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Speaker 1: did a lot of different things. And Drew Jordy's gonna

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Speaker 1: catch up with him, a little bit of my visit

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Speaker 1: with Randy McElvoy from Local two. That's a longer podcast

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Speaker 1: on the vander Mayer's view on the Texans app. But

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Speaker 1: let's start here. Gut reaction, my friend, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go in no particular order. It's Friday. It's a fun Friday.

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Speaker 1: Let's have some fun here, all right. You might have

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Speaker 1: talked about this, and I know it's college football, but

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Speaker 1: look We've got a bowl game at the end of

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Speaker 1: the season, and it involves the Big Twelve in the

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Speaker 1: SEC and former Big Twelfth member Texas, A and M

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Speaker 1: and Alabama. Boy, that game in the regular season this

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Speaker 1: year is going to be something. But what was your

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Speaker 1: reaction to what Saban said, what Jimbo said, and what

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Speaker 1: the world is saying about the nil controversy. The first

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Speaker 1: gotta feeling A and M's not gonna be happy with this,

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Speaker 1: this has nothing to do with A and M. This

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Speaker 1: You guys can step up. He didn't say it because

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Speaker 1: saying it. But what he did was obviously gathered the

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Speaker 1: attention of Jimbo Fisher. This was my This was my

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Speaker 1: suspicion that this is very cathartic for Jimbo to let

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Speaker 1: probably stewing him up things for years. Wanted to let

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Speaker 1: Fisher looked at it as all right, man, you indirectly

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Speaker 1: made it miserable, and you continue to make it miserable.

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Speaker 1: it was it gave Jimbo carte blanche to say, you

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Speaker 1: and he just let it all out. I got a

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Speaker 1: as bad publicity. There is such thing as bad publicity.

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Speaker 1: But there's drama in what happens in football, in any business, really,

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Speaker 1: know what, everybody's into it. Everybody's into the drama, everybody's

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Speaker 1: into the storylines. Everybody's interested, and that's good for the sport. Really,

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Speaker 1: the level of interest, Johnny, we are in an era here.

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Speaker 1: This is the next thing of adjustments to scheduling, right.

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Speaker 1: Obviously everyone went through it with COVID. But when you

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Speaker 1: Last thing you expected to come up on the program

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Speaker 1: has to be Pimnico has to have it. That No, no,

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Speaker 1: those adjustments. I like it. Johnny. I think change is good.

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Speaker 1: You have to embrace it. Yeah, I think so to

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Speaker 1: And I've been watching I don't know if you've had

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Speaker 1: run F one. It's called Formula to Drive. It's you

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Speaker 1: basically like an NFL miked up episode on steroids. You're

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Speaker 1: How do we do that? And so I bring that

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Speaker 1: maybe the participants. I mean like if you ask the players,

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Speaker 1: And I think that that all helps. And so embracing

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Speaker 1: took from the first day I got signed to the

427
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Speaker 1: last day. I strapped up every day. I never took

428
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Speaker 1: it for granted. So tell me about the first day.

429
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Speaker 1: You're in that locker room and you see guys like

430
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Speaker 1: Mario Williams and Antonio Smith, who had signed as a

431
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: free agent that offseason that you joined the team. Sean

432
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 1: Cody knows tackle. Uh, you know, he played inside with

433
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: I mean there are a lot of personalities on that defense.

434
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 1: Ryan Cushing was a rookie as well that year. What

435
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 1: was that like when you get in that locker room

436
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: and you kind of look around and see who's who's

437
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 1: with you? Well, like I said, the guys you mentioned

438
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 1: that was their first year along with the Texans too,

439
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: so they were trying to fill out the culture as well.

440
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: So that kind of helped in a way. We was

441
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: all learning each other as players, So you kind of

442
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 1: got a gauge of the guys who you know, took

443
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 1: that work ethic to the practice field, from the classroom

444
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: to the practice field. And once you started getting the

445
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 1: gauge who was around you, that kind of helped us

446
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 1: bond together, learn each other. And we all had one goal.

447
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: I think we was part of the team that won

448
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Speaker 1: the first winning season and in the text system. Yeah,

449
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 1: so that kind of started something. We had, you know,

450
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Speaker 1: captains like Damiko Ryans who called the team dinner, team

451
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Speaker 1: defensive dinner, and I you know that was my year,

452
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 1: so I thought that was the standard, but a lot

453
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 1: of players said that was the first time they ever

454
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 1: did that, and uh, that just it kind of reminded

455
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 1: me of like college like guys just laughing, like the

456
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: guy Sean Cody and Tonio Smith. Those guys are characters.

457
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: So they kind of kept it lively in a meeting room,

458
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: in a locker room, you know, in tense situations. So

459
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: nobody was really nervous. It was kind of like relaxed.

460
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 1: We trusted each other and we were very competitive, you know,

461
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: so we competed against each other day in the day out,

462
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: and I think that really helped that team. What was

463
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 1: what was it like when you actually come to Houston

464
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 1: being from you know, your Chicago guy, you played at Michigan,

465
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Speaker 1: you know, what's it like when you come down here

466
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Speaker 1: for I guess rookie mini camp that year? Pretty big adjustment.

467
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Speaker 1: How that how things go? Well, Uh, my year was

468
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: kind of different two thousand and nine. They didn't have

469
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 1: a rookie Mini camp that year, and so I was

470
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: still in an arbor when a lot of my colleagues

471
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Speaker 1: were going to mini camps and I didn't show up

472
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Speaker 1: to OTA's Oh wow, okay, yeah, So Ota started like

473
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: around this time in mid May, and in Michigan, I

474
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 1: wouldna say at the time, it was like sixty degrees

475
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: is the high people wearing shorts. I come out here,

476
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 1: it's eighty five degrees at eight o'clock in the morning.

477
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: So that was an adjustment, you know, But being out

478
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: here for about you know, the next two or three months,

479
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: I got a customed pretty easy. So it was pretty good.

480
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: So tell me about that first stretch of the season,

481
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Speaker 1: basically the first month where you're on the practice squad,

482
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: You're you're working, you're obviously you've turned some heads. But

483
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: in RELI I looked at this video of you and

484
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: I talking right if you've gotten called up, and it

485
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 1: jarred a memory. Yeah, you thought when they called you

486
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: in to tell you were getting o it, you thought

487
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: you were getting cut, didn't you? Yes, yes, I did.

488
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 1: You know being undrafted. You know, Tuesdays is always your

489
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: day off, but Tuesdays also to day they bring in

490
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: guys to work out, and if they make their transactions,

491
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: they're waving guys. So they called me in on the Tuesday,

492
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: and I was wrvous because three guys that just got

493
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 1: released the week before, and I was like, man, and

494
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: you know, I never read any you know, newspaper clipping

495
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: and anything, so all that I had my head down

496
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: the whole time. Just go to work, go home, and

497
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: hopefully I did good. So I'm not getting cut today.

498
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: So when they called me and they told me the

499
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: news that I was getting elevated to play my first game,

500
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: I was ecstatic. You know. Uh, that was probably one

501
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: of my best memories, getting called up and telling them,

502
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: telling me that, you know, your heartwork has been paying off.

503
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: You've been making our team better. Back going against players

504
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: like Dwayne Brown, Eric Winston, you know Chester Pits, those

505
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: type of guys, and you earned their respect. And so

506
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: that was good to hear as a rookie trying to

507
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: find my way and to getting that, you know, get

508
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: that call and let let me, you know, to play

509
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: in the first game. That was amazing. So yeah, when

510
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: you got into the game, Actually, what was that like?

511
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: It was at Arizona out there in the desert. They

512
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 1: had a pretty good offense. They were coming off of

513
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl appearance the year before. Larry Fitzgerald was

514
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: a guy catching pass. I mean, what was that like

515
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: that first game? First welcome to the NFL. Moment when

516
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Speaker 1: you're in a regular season game. Actually, yeah, it was

517
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: amazing during during a warm up, you know, going out

518
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: there stretching and looking at the crowd and things like that.

519
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: You know, that was a dream come true. You know,

520
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: you know, not too many people make it to that level.

521
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: So the being in that arena at the time, playing

522
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: for our team, we'll try to get the victory. It

523
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 1: was amazing. But when the when the game started, all

524
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: that went out the window. It was like, falls on

525
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Speaker 1: the game playing. Uh, this is what got me here.

526
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Speaker 1: Now I gotta make sure I stay And so that's

527
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: all I you know, I'm saying, was in my mind

528
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 1: focused on the team, helping us try to win that game. Man,

529
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: your career, when you look at the seasons you played,

530
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: it was, oh nine you start as a rookie. Fourteen

531
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: is your last year. I mean Texans go nine and seven,

532
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: they're looking towards the future. They finally had a winning season,

533
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: and then six and ten there's a little bit of

534
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: a backslide. But then Wade Phillips comes in and a

535
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: lot of other Jonathan Joseph JJ Watt. You know, Connor

536
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: Borrowin gets healthy, you keep mature. A lot of things happen.

537
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: You guys go to the playoffs, you do it again

538
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: the next season, and then the bottom falls out because

539
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: of a lot of stuff in thirteen and then new

540
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: coaching staff and you guys kind of picked back up

541
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: where you were. Does anything in particular? Is there a

542
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: favorite memory of yours from your time as a Houston

543
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: Texan UM. I will say the best memories, I will say, man,

544
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: because it's a lot. I mean, I spent my whole

545
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: athletic career, pro career with the same team. Yeah, you

546
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: mentioned in that stuff brings up a lot of memories,

547
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: but I think we alluded to it before. Like making

548
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: the team as an undrafted free agent, that was probably

549
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: one of the best memories. And in that first regular

550
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: season game, and I would say winning the AFC Self

551
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: Division for the first time in team history that that

552
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 1: was one of the probably one of the highlights because

553
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: the fans, I don't think they expected that from us,

554
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: because when we came back, you would have thought we

555
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: wanted Super Bowl something. It was like with so many

556
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: fans there and they were just so proud to be

557
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: Houston Texans UM and that was amazing. I don't know

558
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: if this is a highlight a little light. But we

559
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: did get those Letterman jacks. I don't know if you

560
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: remember that, of course, of course, yeah, pretty funny. They

561
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: were awesome for a few few days. And yeah, I'll

562
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: be interested to find out who all have the frame

563
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: mind so my game. They're cool. Listen, those things are cool.

564
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: They were cool. You didn't lose the game because of

565
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: those jackets. I think there were some mismatches that Belichick

566
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: was able to exploit. You did not lose a game

567
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: because of some some some athletic apparel. It was. It

568
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: was a football difference, you know, it was actual on

569
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: the field stuff, right, yeah, exactly. But like I said,

570
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: having all the cultures changes, I believe during my time

571
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: with the Texans, I played under three different defensive coordinators. Yeah,

572
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: that was that was interesting, you know, b from a

573
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: four to three under Frank Bush, then going to three

574
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: to four version of kind of three four under Way Phillips,

575
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: and then from your canal coming in with the traditional

576
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: three four. I think that helped me as a player,

577
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: learned to adjust the different schemes and learn different terminology

578
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: and things like that. And all the players that we

579
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: came in contact with through my time here in Houston,

580
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: So it was all a great experience. Yeah, how much

581
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: when when Wade came in, How worried were you because

582
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: you've been in a four three yea switching systems that

583
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: kind of get your word at all? Or did you

584
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: just have the confidence, Hey, I can make this happen

585
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: no matter what. Well, so my defensive line coach, Bill

586
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: Kohler had a meeting with us, and I believe he

587
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: had been in the four three systems prior to the

588
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: way it feels as well, and so they came to

589
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: me and they were like, look, you got a choice

590
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: either lose fifteen pounds but the outside linebacker or game

591
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: fifteen pounds and played kind of like a five technique

592
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: three technique because the van Yeah, And I just I

593
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: told him if I can gain weight pretty easily, So

594
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: I just jumped into it. And at the end of

595
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: the day, like I said, it's football, so we're going

596
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: to learn the terminology and uh, you know, do what

597
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,239
Speaker 1: they need me to do. You know, I'm like an

598
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: undrafted free agent. Your masses like the more I can do, yeah,

599
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: keep valuable. So I was able to adjust pretty well

600
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: and I felt pretty comfortable in it, and I gained

601
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: way Phillips Trust. That was his first year there and

602
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: it was pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, you just made it happen,

603
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: didn't matter. That was cool. Who do you keep in

604
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: touch with? What teammates you still? Uh? Because you're involved

605
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: with the Texans Legends program. I saw you at the

606
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: golf tournament last week. That was cool. But which guys

607
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: you still talk with and kind of keep up with? Oh?

608
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,959
Speaker 1: I actually talked to a gang of guys really, um,

609
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, I called Damiko Ryans. Uh. I say a

610
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: couple of months ago. I actually talked to my former coach,

611
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: Bill Kohler last week. How's that guy doing? He's done

612
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: pretty good. He's still in Denver And we just caught

613
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: up because I was in Morgan State University helping their

614
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: football team out during the spring last month. And William Carr,

615
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: who's the interim head coach right now, he played for

616
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: Bill Kohler, went back in the Atlanta Falcon Days and

617
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: so we called and uh, he just you know, it

618
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: was good catching up with him, and I told him,

619
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, as a player, you know,

620
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: we used to see you yelling all the time getting

621
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: the guys. And now that I had experienced coaching. I

622
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: definitely understand you now and I'm sorry if I gave

623
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: you any problem back in the day. So we just

624
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: had a good live for about forty five minutes, and

625
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: uh it was it was good catching up. But other

626
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: than that, it's a earl Mitchell. Uh you know Derek Crick,

627
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: those guys who I probably stay in contact the most,

628
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: but other guys, like you said, I see him at

629
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: like legend events, or if I don't talk to him

630
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,479
Speaker 1: on the phone, I see him, you know online. We're

631
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: still in touch with each other online and things like that.

632
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: So that's great. Yeah, it's good. So I want to

633
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: get into this Morgan State thing. But before we do,

634
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: as a Bill Colar former, as someone who was coached

635
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: by Bill Cole, are now coaching, do you find yourself

636
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: yelling stay up like Bill Collar and that's the idea

637
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: like Bill Cole, because those are the two things that

638
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: I remember him saying all the time. Do you remember

639
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Speaker 1: that as well? I do remember that, But I would

640
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: say his main phrase was get to the ball. Yeah,

641
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: I say, I catched myself saying that a lot no

642
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: loafing run to the ball. You never know what's going

643
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: to happen as long as you're just attacking the ball,

644
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: playing to the whistle. So I remember him saying that

645
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: probably the most of players, not to me, he didn't

646
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: really have to yell at me much, but now, but yeah,

647
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: it was pretty good. And so I caught myself doing that.

648
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: And you know, just all the coaches I've been around,

649
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: just taking all the things that I learned from them

650
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: throughout my time, rather's college or professional, being able to

651
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: teach that to the to the young guys to give

652
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: them the best chance to you know, make their change

653
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: success for as well. And I think it's you know,

654
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: it's parallel to teaching to me, you know, coaching and

655
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: teaching is so parallel, um And I believe in like

656
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: teaching guys to learn different way so someonem can learn

657
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: right and taking notes. Someone can learn just watching watching films,

658
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: someone can learn through walkthroughs, and some of them can

659
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: just learn by experience. So I take all those techniques

660
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: and try to teach them to everybody. And I saw

661
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: a lot of growth from through the spring, So I'm

662
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: excited to see what they do doing the fall. Outstanding

663
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: stuff from Tim Jamison. Much more of that interview on

664
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Speaker 1: the where they now page on Houston Texans dot Com

665
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,959
Speaker 1: and in the Texans app. Coming up, you're gonna hear

666
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: a bit of my podcast with Randy mcilvoy Local two

667
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: KPRC sports director Randy super interesting guy, a Houstonian through

668
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: and through Bellair High School, and we'll hear from him

669
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Speaker 1: next here on Texans All Access. On the way out

670
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: here Texans Radio, We're gonna visit with Randy mcilvoy. Actually

671
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: we're not gonna do it right now. I've done it already.

672
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: It's part of the Vandermeer's View podcast. And I cannot

673
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: play the whole interview here because we don't have enough time,

674
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: but just a segment from it. Randy is really interesting.

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Speaker 1: Sports director at Local two KPRC. Texans Game Day is

676
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: on there Game Day Sundays, eight thirty am, folks. You

677
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: don't want to miss out on that. It's also on

678
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: a lot of affiliates anyway. Randy terrific guy. Sam Houston

679
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: State alum and Sam Houston State. I don't know if

680
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: I get to this part in this segment, but I

681
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: call it Syracuse Southwest because of all the sportscasters that

682
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: have hailed from Sam Houston State especially local people and

683
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: I'll miss people but Craig Ackerman and Adam Clanton and

684
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: Randy of course, and there have been many others. So

685
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Speaker 1: it's a fun conversation and just a bit on the

686
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: early days here. We used to do a weekly show

687
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: called Texans Huddle that aired on Fox Sports Southwest, which

688
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: is now known as Badly Sports. Randy's one of the

689
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 1: early hosts of this program, and in the early days,

690
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: I think Andre Ware and I also with John Grenado,

691
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 1: our sideline reporter at the time, we would alternate week

692
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: to week and do a talk back, so they would

693
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: hook us up from the stadium. We even talked to

694
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Speaker 1: them in Dallas. Randy was based in Dallas at the

695
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: time and just do the show that way. We were

696
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: the local experts, of course, and they did player interviews

697
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: and other things like that in the show. The show

698
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: evolved over time. Patti Smith did it for years with

699
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: bart Ennis and eventually with me of course, so that

700
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: evolution started with Randy mcilvoy and John Ratigan hosting the

701
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: program from Dallas. I remember one time they flew me

702
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: up to Dallas for their Sunday night show on Fox

703
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: Sports Southwest, just for the night I flew up in

704
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: the afternoon. Did the show flew back that night? I

705
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: think Charlie Casually was on with me. I don't know

706
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: why I was on with Charlie Casually. If you have

707
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: Charlie Casually at the time especially, you don't need me.

708
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: But that's how they did it. Anyway, let's get to

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Speaker 1: our visit with Randy mcilvoy and talk about him doing

710
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: that program. We'll start there back in the day, a

711
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: segment from the Vandermeer's View podcast that was the when

712
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: the franchise first started. I guess at that time, maybe

713
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: I assume we were like the cable partner maybe with

714
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 1: the with the franchise, so we would do a weekly show,

715
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: and initially I did it solo and with some help

716
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: from our crew in Houston, obviously because I was based

717
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: in Dallas and here in Houston, kind of back and forth.

718
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was one of the hosts of that

719
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: original I think it was The Huddle. It was called

720
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: the Huddle back then and the early days when the

721
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: franchise were just starting. I remember we would do the

722
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: talk backs kind of like when you and I were

723
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: doing right now, and we'd have players rolling in there

724
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: at the inside the practice bubble and then we would

725
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: knock out our talk back with you know, David Carr,

726
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: who ever may have been back in the time, and

727
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: and then we had features and everything. Said, it was

728
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: really cool being a part of the organization, being new

729
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: back to Houston, in my hometown, and it was really

730
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: an honor to be a part of that. It was fun.

731
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: We were way ahead of our time really because we

732
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: were doing talk backs. We had a link up here

733
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: at the stadium and you guys would be in Dallas

734
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: and we put guests on and roll that way. Absolutely

735
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: wasn't the ease of zoom where you can just push

736
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: a couple of buttons and then you'd beat golden you

737
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: ready to go. But uh, you know, we made it happen,

738
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: and you know, just the newness of it all at

739
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: the time. I do remember, you know, we were we

740
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: had Fox Southwest with the regional tie that we had.

741
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: We would have a crew in Dallas, which where I was,

742
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: and then a crew here in Houston, as you know,

743
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: and just being able to pop down here whether it's

744
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: football season, some baseball season, whatever it might be. But

745
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 1: growing up just five minutes away from then Reliance Stadium,

746
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: now in urg Stadium. It was a lot of fun. Man.

747
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: I was so happy that NFL football was back in Houston.

748
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: All right, So you grew up in Houston, you went

749
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: to Beller High School, right? I did, grew up in Myerland,

750
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: just like I said, a few minutes away from the complex,

751
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: and went to bell Air back in the eighties and

752
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: spent many times just across that parking lot inside the

753
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: astronome watching all kinds of games, oilers, astros everything. Who

754
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: were some of your Houston broadcast heroes and or influences

755
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: when you were a kid? Did you have any Did

756
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: you know you wanted to go into this line of

757
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: work or was it I might want to be an athlete,

758
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: but I became this or something else that happened, Randy Well.

759
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: Through high school I played baseball, So my goal was

760
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: obviously to play as long as I could, And I

761
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: got a chance to play a little bit in college

762
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: and then a couple of years at SAM I hung

763
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: them up. But you know, I was addicted to the

764
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: broadcasting bug much earlier than that. I remember vividly as

765
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: a kid growing up. I mean, I was fascinated by

766
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: watching the local news and weather. In sports and I

767
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: didn't know how it all worked. I was just glued

768
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: to it. I was really curious how they all it

769
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 1: all came together. I would the video come in, the pictures,

770
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: the interviews. I remember man growing up in the seventies.

771
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: Bob Allen was my guy, you know, he was a

772
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: guy watched a lot. Trying to think of some of

773
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 1: the other ones there. Channel eleven get from Gifford Nielsen

774
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: was there in the late seventies and eighties. And it's

775
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: funny because after about eighty six eighty seven, when I

776
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: was in college, I had the chance to work for

777
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: Gift as an intern, and then I had a chance

778
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: to work for Bob and Tim Melton and that great

779
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 1: crew over a Channel thirteen for a couple of years,

780
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: and I was actually hired over there part time my

781
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: last probably year and a half two years of college.

782
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: I would pack it up on weekends and I was

783
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: here working ten twelve hours a day. But I learned

784
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: a lot from those guys, especially when I was not

785
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: only growing up. I'm watching him, I really go watching it,

786
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: but getting a chance to work for him was a

787
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: lot of fun. Matt Mussel another one over at Channel eleven.

788
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: He was there when I was at Channel eleven, and

789
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: you know, learning the ropes and making mistakes, it was

790
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: what it was all about. And then after graduation at

791
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: eighty nine, I was able to land my first job

792
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: and to start. You know, I was so green back then,

793
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: but I learned a lot from them, kind of jump

794
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: starting me to get me going. All right, So we'll

795
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: get into the in between, but I want to zoom

796
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: right too. When you get the gig at KPRC Local too, Yeah, man,

797
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: you get the big job, You're back in your hometown.

798
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: What was that like? That feeling that you got to

799
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: get that job after everything you just described and all

800
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: the guys you worked with. Man, it was awesome, you

801
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: know if you failed to mention that. I also worked

802
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 1: a Channel two in college too, and got to Craig Roberts.

803
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: He's another guy I want to make sure I mentioned

804
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: I've learned a lot from Correig. Man. It was a dream,

805
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: Countrue Mark. It was one of those goals that I

806
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: don't know if everybody sets him or not. I know

807
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: I did. I wanted the chance to work in my hometown.

808
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: I didn't know if that opportunity would ever come up.

809
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 1: You know how this business is. I had a great

810
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: job where I was outstanding job. I did not see

811
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: myself leaving that job, to be honest with you, My

812
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: wife and I were very happy up there miss Houston

813
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: for sure, but still followed it. But you know, it developed,

814
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: it opened. I remember the process. It was a kind

815
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: of a long drawn out process to because of the

816
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: timing involved and a lot of things had to come together.

817
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: And man, I was so happy, you know, having my

818
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: family here, most of my families here, still here in Houston,

819
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 1: and said, my brother is still in Dallas for Worth.

820
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: But dream come true working for one of the stations

821
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: I had interned for and grew up watching a few

822
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: minutes down the street from where I grew up. You know,

823
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: all the pieces came together and getting the chance to

824
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: bring it home and you know, cover the hometown teams

825
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: during the good days the bad days, and we've seen

826
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: a little bit of everything over I've been here eighteen

827
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: years now. I've had some really good moments and had

828
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: some struggling years of teams and it's still fun at

829
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: the end of the day to get to cover your

830
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: hometown team. So all right, there's some stuff with Randy

831
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: mckleboy local two sportscaster from the Vandermeer's View podcast. If

832
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: you want to hear the rest of it, and I

833
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: know you do, go to the Texans AP or wherever

834
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: fine podcasts are available and you can listen to the

835
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: whole thing as Randy talks about his story, Beller High School,

836
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: all of it, and we couldn't get to everything in

837
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: this particular program, but I'll do more of those. I

838
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: also have Enrique Vasquez up there Lovos, the voice of

839
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: the Texans en Espanol, a podcast with him up there

840
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: on the Vandermeer's View page. Well, that's gonna do it

841
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: for the show tonight. Thank you for Drew for providing

842
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: that interview with Tim Jamison the where are they Now? Stuff?

843
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: And Johnny Harris for being on the show. Next week

844
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna be out at practice. We'll talk about Dad

845
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: getting closer and closer to training camp and the season.

846
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 1: Cannot wait. Have a great night and a great weekend. Everyone,

847
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: Go Texans.