1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to Betting Pros. It's time to place 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: your bets. So this is me Joey P joe P 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: Zapia and it's week eleven. It's time to look ahead 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: to some of the games you if there's any early 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: value that we see on the board that we can 6 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: help you invest in in the NFL season. To help 7 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: me do it, of course, it's Pat fitz Morris and 8 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Sam hopping back again, coming out of the dungeon of 9 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: NBA getting everything ready for all of you, you crazy 10 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: NBA folks over there by the way, In case you 11 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: didn't know, we got some NBA content going on in 12 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: the channel too, So tune into our new show, Fast 13 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: Break Bets, your ultimate source for NBA betting insights, and 14 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: join our host, Matt Mody every single Wednesday and Friday 15 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: eleven am Eastern, exclusively right here on the Betting Pros 16 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: YouTube channel. 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I want to go right 27 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: to Thursday night football for the first time in a 28 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: long time. I don't know if I've said those words 29 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: very often in the last six weeks, but I want 30 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: to go right to Thursday night football. Cincinnati Bengals coming 31 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 1: off a heartbreaking home loss, the Baltimore Ravens coming off 32 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: a heartbreaking home loss. Stop me if you've heard this before. 33 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: Right now, the number sits on Betting Pros at minus 34 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: three and a half on the Baltimore side. Forty six 35 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: is the number for the Cincinnati Bengals. On the money line, 36 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: it's plus one six. A gentleman, I don't know if 37 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: this is a gut instinct here, but I am going 38 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: straight to the money line. I'm going straight to the 39 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals. I thought they got caught napping and looking 40 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: ahead to Baltimore on Thursday night and the Houston Texas 41 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: came into town and caught them sleeping and took care 42 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: of their business. Pat, let's start with you on this one. 43 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: What do you think in terms of early value if 44 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: any on this big time Let's call it what it is. 45 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: It's a playoff game for this division. 46 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 2: It is, and boy, I think both teams got caught napping, Joe. 47 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: The Ravens kind of went to sleep on their big 48 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 2: lead against the Browns. And what I found fascinating about 49 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: the numbers in this game last night, at like midnight 50 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: on Sunday night, the total on this game was forty 51 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: three and a half. It has gone up two and 52 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: a half points based I have to think largely on 53 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: what we saw, the scoring we saw in Bengals Texans 54 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: and in Browns Ravens. I've got the under. Like anytime 55 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: I see an AFC North game with a total above 56 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: forty four forty five points, like, I'm smashing the under. 57 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: So like I'm taking advantage of the line movement on 58 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: the total here as far as your money line, bat, Joe, 59 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 2: Like that's bold. 60 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 3: I like the take. 61 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: I think the Bengals could certainly win this game. I 62 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: just I have so much faith in the Ravens at home, 63 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 2: and seeing them let a win slip through their fingers 64 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: the way it did really makes me want to bet 65 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 2: them at home because I just don't feel like they're 66 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: gonna let two in a row get away from them 67 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: in the friendly environment of their home stadium. So I 68 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 2: think I'm gonna wait on this one because I do 69 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: think the line is gonna come down and move closer 70 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: to three, maybe two and a half, see if I 71 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: can get the Ravens at a field goal or less. 72 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: But right now, I like the under and I'm kind 73 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: of waiting to bet the Ravens. 74 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: See. I like the Bengals on the road. I like 75 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: when they play the underdog. I feel like that's Joe 76 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: Burrow's favorite place to be, is the spot where you 77 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: tell Joe b he can't do something and it goes 78 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: out there and he proves you're wrong. So I know 79 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: it was a tough Sunday for both of these teams here, 80 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: and this is a huge game here for the division. 81 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: If the Ravens take this one, Sam, they kind of 82 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: really go in, I think, to that front seat here 83 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: and have everything in front of them. But if the 84 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: Bengals come away with this victory, we are in a 85 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: dogfight to the very bitter end. What's your take on 86 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: this Thursday night game, because this one's gonna be hot. 87 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 4: I actually like the Ravens a ton here. I took 88 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 4: them at three and a half earlier this morning. The 89 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 4: Bengals defense is just not what it used to be. 90 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 4: It is struggling a ton. Over the last four weeks. 91 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 4: They are thirty second in passing success rate, thirty second 92 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 4: in early down success rate. They just are sort of 93 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 4: falling apart right now. And Trey Hendrickson, one of their 94 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 4: better edge rushers, left the game Sunday with a hyperincented knee. 95 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 4: It sounds like he is unlikely to play. They're still 96 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 4: monitoring the severity of that. But if you look at 97 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 4: the three losses that Baltimore has had this year, I mean, 98 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 4: the win probability charts are just absurd. I mean, they're 99 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 4: going into these games with fourth quarter leads and are 100 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 4: just blowing it. So I think there's a little bit 101 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 4: more predictability, or I guess it's a little bit stickier 102 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 4: that they're having and getting these early leads, and then 103 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 4: it's just sort of down to randomness that they're falling 104 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 4: apart late and really like the Ravens. I think again too, 105 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 4: with the unknown about t higgins health, whether Jamar Chase 106 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 4: is at full health. Still I really like the Ravens here. 107 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: It's so interesting though, because I'm on the polar opposite 108 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: and for this very reason you're talking about. We're just 109 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: talking about, you know, the stickiness of the well. They 110 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: get up, they have the leads, they're in control of things, 111 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: but at the same time, they can't finish. And I 112 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: feel like teams that can't finish it starts to get 113 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 1: into their psyche a little bit, and the best teams 114 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: in the NFL take care of their business. 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Carolina is at one and eight. They 150 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: are sitting there lowly here, eleven point underdogs in Carolina. 151 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: Maybe this number isn't big enough, Sam, but forty two 152 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: is the number overall in this one. If you like 153 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers for the upset, and I don't, it's 154 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: plus four ten. I think the eleven's too small here. 155 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, Sam. I think this offense is 156 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: really starting to find itself. It was sixteen last week 157 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: when we were talking about the Giants game, and I 158 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: know that Carolina is a little bit better than them offensively, 159 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: but I don't know about a whole lot. And I 160 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: don't know if enough for eleven points to me, I'm 161 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: on the Dallas side. But where are you? 162 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 4: I mean, are they better than the Giants offensively? You're 163 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 4: watching that Thursday night football game against the Bears, and 164 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 4: they just look so out of sorts. I mean, Bryce 165 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 4: Young might be the worst starting quarterback in the league 166 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 4: right now. I mean, he's certainly bottom five. And it's 167 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 4: I made this a thirteen point spread, so I actually 168 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 4: took Dallas with the ten and a half earlier this morning. Again, 169 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 4: you talked about their offense. They are just hitting their 170 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 4: stride right now, and you can look at the schedule 171 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 4: and say that's part of it. Because they've played the 172 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 4: Chargers defense, which is not great, the Rams and the Giants, 173 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 4: but they played super well against the Eagles. I think 174 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 4: if that game flips in favor of the Cowboys, were 175 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 4: talking about them a lot differently, and I do think 176 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 4: I know we're talking about early lines, but I do 177 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 4: think Dak for MVP at forty to one is not 178 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 4: the worst bet you could make right now. I mean, 179 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 4: I know they are two games out of the division 180 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 4: lead with the Eagles, but they have an easier schedule 181 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 4: than Philadelphia down the road. Dak is playing again, like 182 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 4: I said, lights out right now, and part of the 183 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 4: schedule helps that. But him having the same odds as 184 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence, who is playing not well at all I 185 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 4: think is a bit greediest. Now, I don't think Dak 186 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 4: necessarily wins, but if he keeps playing like this and 187 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 4: closes out the season strong, there's there's a real case for. 188 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: Him certainly building that case the last three weeks, Pat, 189 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: I'm more at least thirteen thirteen and a half on 190 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: this game. Where do you have this one? 191 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got it. 192 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 2: I think at twelve right now, So I might maybe 193 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 2: a little lower than you guys, but that still gets 194 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 2: me to land on the Cowboys. And the Cowboys have 195 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 2: really taken care of business against the poor teams this year, 196 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 2: except for their one slip up against the Cardinals in 197 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 2: Week three, but other than that, in the four games 198 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 2: where Dallas was favored by six or more points, they're 199 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: three and one in those games, three and one versus 200 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 2: the spread, and the three wins they averaged a twenty 201 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 2: six point margin of victory in those three wins, and 202 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: that does not include the opening night Sunday night game 203 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: against the Giants where they were only favored on the 204 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: road by three and a half and won forty to 205 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: nothing against the Giants. So Dallas is good at taking 206 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: out the trash and I think they're going to do 207 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: that against them Panthers this week. 208 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: Wow, FITZI, what do you really think. Let's get to 209 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: the next game here. The Cleveland Browns are going to 210 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: host the Pittsburgh Steelers. I love how all these games 211 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: fell in the schedule too. So you've got the playoff 212 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: game for the AFC North on Thursday, and then AFC 213 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: North Junior Division here the Cleveland Browns and Pittsburgh Steelers. 214 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: And I say junior but meanwhile, they have better records 215 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: than the Bengals. I don't know if they have better 216 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: roster than the Bengals. Certainly not a better quarterback. But look, 217 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: Cleveland pulled out another big win. We talked about this 218 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 1: last week. Fits right as aid defense travels, you gotta 219 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 1: be careful, But here you go. The same can be 220 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: set here for the Pittsburgh Steelers. And I know Pittsburgh 221 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: lost another piece here on the defensive side of the football. 222 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: Can't pick has been underwhelming. The number here is four 223 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: on the side of Cleveland, and they're geting the minus 224 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: four right now, thirty seven for the over under and 225 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: plus one sixty two for the Steelers to win on 226 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: the road. Thirty seven is low, but Pat feels about 227 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: right to me. What are your thoughts on any early 228 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: value in this game between these two teams? 229 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 3: Oh? It does. 230 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: This is the sort of low total we're used to 231 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: sing in an a North tilt Joe, not this forty 232 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 2: six stuff like we're seeing in the Bengals Ravens game. 233 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, the Steelers have now been outgained 234 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 2: in all nine games they've played this season, and they 235 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 2: have been outscored by twenty six points in the air 236 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: and they're six and three. They just keep winning games 237 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 2: they should not be winning. So what was the money 238 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: line on Steelers show? Is that plus one. 239 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: Sixty two plus one sixty two? Right now? Looking at 240 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: it over up wedding pros. 241 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 2: I think I like the money line on the Steelers 242 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 2: at plus one sixty two. 243 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 3: They're just finding ways to do it. 244 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 2: And I'm still not entirely confident in Deshaun Watson's ability 245 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 2: to guide the Browns into the playoffs. 246 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: Why ever, would you not be confident Deshaun Watson? What 247 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: would make you feel that way? Sam? Any confidence at 248 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: all in either of these two teams heading into this game? 249 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 4: No, none, whatsoever. I mean, again, if the Browns had 250 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 4: lost the game. I think that might have been might 251 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 4: have made it easier to handicap this. But I think 252 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 4: I if I had to lean one way, it's with 253 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 4: Pittsburgh with it, whether it's on the money line or 254 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 4: with the four points. But that offense still continues to 255 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 4: look anemic, even with the performance they put up this 256 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 4: past Sunday. So I don't know. I'm staying away from 257 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 4: this one for right now. 258 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: All right, Chicago Detroit, the Detroit Lions of pulling out 259 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: in the last second, they go to seven and two. 260 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: The Bears are now three and seven. Big number here 261 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: for this one too. You're getting it ten and a 262 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: half over here on the Lion's side. This one just 263 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: jumped while we started the show. Went from nine and 264 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: a half to ten and a half. So there you go, 265 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: get it. Well, it's good. Forty six and a half 266 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: is the total for this contest and the Bears for 267 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 1: the upsets plus four hundred on the money line. Sam, 268 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: let's talk about this one here. The Lions, you know, 269 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: defensively two weeks in a row here, I mean you 270 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: combine these points, we're pushing almost eighty that they've given up. 271 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: That's a lot of points. I know the Bears offense 272 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: is not exactly prolific, but can considering the way they've 273 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: been given up points left and right in the last 274 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: two contests here to Baltimore and then again to the Chargers, 275 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: is the forty six and a half over the right 276 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: way to go to this game. 277 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 4: I don't think it is. I mean, if you look 278 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 4: at the performances they've had on defense against again the 279 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 4: Ravens and the Chargers, it's it's been exceptionally bad. But 280 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 4: then if you look at the performances they've had against 281 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 4: the weaker opponents like Carolina, Tampa Bay, Las Vegas, like 282 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 4: they're performing well still, so I think they're sort of 283 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 4: their defense is sort of in the middle of that, 284 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 4: not as bad as what they've shown, but not as 285 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 4: good as what they've been against the weaker opponents. So 286 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 4: I think with how the Bears defense is performing too, 287 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 4: like they're playing some inspider ball on defense, like they're 288 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 4: their first in rushing EPA per play allowed over the 289 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 4: last four weeks, allowing just a nineteen point five percent 290 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 4: success rate on the ground, And I don't know, I 291 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 4: think this game goes under the forty six and a half, 292 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 4: especially with these two teams leaning more towards the run overall. 293 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 4: So this is one of those ones. I was saying 294 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 4: in our chat beforehand that it's tough because of how 295 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 4: these teams have played recently, but if you look at 296 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 4: the competition, it's tough to adjust a little bit for that. 297 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: Certainly an element of that pat you see any early 298 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: value in this game between these two division fos here 299 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: with the Chicago and Detroit. 300 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 2: I do know that you're telling me that it's jumped 301 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: to ten and a half in some spots, Joe, because 302 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 2: I was checking DraftKings right before we started recording this. 303 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 2: It had been nine points on Sunday night. It was 304 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 2: nine and a half right before I came on with you. 305 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: I have to go odd shopping at ten and a half, 306 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 2: and I'm going to take the Bears. I think, justin 307 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: fields likely to return this week makes them kind of 308 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: a live dog. The Bears d is not bad. Like 309 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 2: they can really stop the run. That's sort of the 310 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: little secret. Everyone thinks the Bears just to push over, 311 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: but they can stop the run. And now that they're 312 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 2: healthy in the secondary, like, I think they're pretty solid 313 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 2: all around. I don't know where the Detroit defense is 314 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 2: right now after what we've seen the last couple of weeks, 315 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: like they've got to fix some things, and you know, 316 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: the Bears with Justin Fields might be able to do 317 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 2: just enough to put some points on the board. So 318 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: you know, like I can't get on either side of 319 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 2: the total like for the last five Bears games have 320 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 2: played under and I like, I don't know if Detroit's 321 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: going to continue to play in these souped up, high 322 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 2: scoring games. But I do like the Bears here if 323 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 2: I can get them at plus ten and a half, 324 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: like I think they can keep it in single digits 325 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 2: for sure. 326 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: It certainly makes a lot of sense there. That's why 327 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: if a Field's return happens, the forty six and a 328 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: half I think is in play on the overside. But 329 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: again we still don't have that news as of yet. 330 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: We were crossing our fingers and seeing if that happens 331 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: next one here maybe a game in August we saw 332 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: on the schedule and we wanted to look past, but 333 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: not this week. No, No, I want to watch this one. 334 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: I want to watch thej at home conquering hero two 335 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: straight huge victories for them. They are now five and four, 336 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: very much in the playoff hunt. Arizona Cardinals had Kyler 337 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: Murray return yesterday. He looked fantastic right in the football 338 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: no signs of knee injury there, I mean, he looks spectacular. 339 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: A huge run too at the end of that game 340 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: to set up the field goal. So they are now 341 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: two and eight plus four is the number for the 342 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,239 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. There underdogs going into Houston, which is understandably 343 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: so as they should be. That number feels right. Forty 344 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: seven and a half is the total plus one seventy 345 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: five for Arizona. So Pat, let's talk about it here. CJ. 346 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: Stroud and Houston Texans have been incredibly solid these last 347 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: few weeks. You can see the confidence in this team 348 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: continuing to build. So did they get another victory here 349 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: and by four or do you think Arizona makes this 350 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: one a little tighter. 351 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 3: I see a little bit of value on the Texans. 352 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 2: I'm not quite ready to bet them yet, Like I 353 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: want to see if there's any movement. Maybe this probably 354 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: doesn't get any closer than it is right now. Maybe 355 00:16:57,960 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: this moves towards the Texans and I should get it. 356 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: But Joe, what a feel good game with plucky upstart teams. 357 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 2: Like I would not have complained if this were the 358 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 2: Thursday night game and we had to watch this standalone, 359 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 2: and like if we had been told this was going 360 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 2: to be a standalone game in August, like we would 361 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: have just you know, wretched. 362 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: Anything's better than having to watch the Jets or Giants 363 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: in prime time. I am so no, I know a 364 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: lot more Jets are Giants game in prime time. I'm 365 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: gonna hurl myself off a tall building. 366 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 3: Pat what I what? I just can't get over. 367 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 2: If I would have told you in August, Joe that 368 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 2: the total for Cardinals Texans would be forty eight and 369 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 2: a half, like you would have thought that was ten 370 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 2: points high, right, Still, I still think it seems a 371 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 2: smidge too high at forty eight and a half. I'm 372 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 2: considering the under here, But I don't know these these 373 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 2: maybe are we have to come to grips with the 374 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 2: fact that these are pretty high functioning offense. 375 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: Well, on Fandel, you can get forty seven and a 376 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: half too. Again, it's just the one point difference. But 377 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: Sam again, now you got you know, two quarterbacks here 378 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: doing you know, really fun things, making big plays that 379 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: certainly throws a wrench into I think a lot of 380 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: algorithms and a lot of smart people when they kind 381 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: of map out what they think this game is going 382 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: to be. That sort of chaos can really take its toll. 383 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: But what side of that chaos do you want to 384 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: be on this game? Yeah? 385 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 4: So this opened at about five and a half last night, 386 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 4: down to four now, I make this about five points 387 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 4: in favor of the Texans. That Cardinals did have their 388 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 4: best offensive output since Week four against San Francisco against 389 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 4: not a terrible defense in the Atlanta Falcons. I think 390 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 4: Kyler could be running the ball a little bit more 391 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 4: this next week, but their defense is still suspect. Houston 392 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 4: should get Nico Collins back. Noah Brown is coming into 393 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 4: his own just balling out for the Texans. I think Houston. 394 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 4: You know, Houston finally had some success rushing the ball 395 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 4: to this past week with Devin Singletary, and I don't know, 396 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 4: I'm just continuing to ride the high of the Texans 397 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 4: like it's it's tough not to buy into this team 398 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 4: with what CJ. Straud is doing, with the way Demico 399 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 4: Ryans is coaching that defense, and they're playing some inspired 400 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 4: football as well, I think, you know, they allowed twenty 401 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 4: seven points to the Bengals, but still put up a 402 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 4: respectable number as far as success rate against Cincinnati. So 403 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 4: I lean Houston right now, but I could see I 404 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 4: think if I'm going to back the Cardinals, I want 405 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 4: them on the money line and sort of playing into 406 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 4: that variance without totally knowing what they are fully with Kylo. 407 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: Right now, the Miami Dolphins come off of bye. There 408 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: are six and three. The Las Vegas Raiders have won 409 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: two games in a row and shedding themselves of Josh McDaniels. 410 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: The number though Miami minus ten and a half. They 411 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: are very heavy favorites in this game, which again feels 412 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: right with a rookie quarterback going on the road. Forty 413 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: seven and a half is the number of Vegas for 414 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: the upset plus four hundred. Sam. Miami's been I think 415 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 1: real a little bit in the last month or so. 416 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,479 Speaker 1: Devon Chan looks like he is going to be cleared 417 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: and coming back. That is a huge piece getting them 418 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: back for practice this week. Hopefully he will play in 419 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: this game. So that being said, in that element back 420 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: in this offense, along with that extra week of rest, 421 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: do you think that Miami covers is ten and a half. 422 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, easily. I mean they're coming off to buy obviously, 423 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 4: they had the losses to Kansas City and Germany and 424 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 4: to Philadelphia on Sunday night before the buye. But getting 425 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 4: Devonhan back, I think the shine of Josh McDaniel's being 426 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 4: gone will wear off here for the Vegas Raiders. Max 427 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 4: Crosby is playing out of his mind right now, so 428 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 4: I do think he could, you know, make some good 429 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 4: defensive stops for Las Vegas to keep this potentially closer 430 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 4: or keep it under this the forty eight point total 431 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 4: it's at right now. But I don't know. I think 432 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 4: coming off to buy, Mike McDaniel is just gonna put 433 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 4: all his eggs in a basket and just blow this 434 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 4: team out. 435 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: All right, So all the eggs going in the bask 436 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: But are they gonna scramble up the Raiders here? Or 437 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: is Antonio Pierce make them road warriors and they just 438 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:13,959 Speaker 1: keep believing in themselves? 439 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 2: You know, I want to think like Sam here, and 440 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 2: you see the quarterback matchup and it's too a tongue 441 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 2: of I Loo versus eight and O'Connell, and you think 442 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 2: ten points doesn't seem like nearly enough. But man, the 443 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 2: Raiders are playing like they have had the weight of 444 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 2: the world lifted off their shoulders with Josh McDaniel's gone. 445 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 2: And I'm reluctant to lay ten points a team that's 446 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 2: playing this free and easy. So I'm just I'm not 447 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 2: touching this, Like, I don't see any value in either 448 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 2: the line. 449 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: Or the total. Yeah, certainly in some danger there, I agree, Pat, 450 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: let's go to one, maybe a little less dangerous. The 451 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: New York Football Giants who kind of quit on the season, 452 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: I think it might be over for them, just saying 453 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 1: hot take. They are two and eight now after an 454 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: absolute she lacking at the hands of the Dallas Cowboys 455 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: this past weekend. Washington Commanders continue to be competitive. They 456 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: are four and six, but they compete. They are ten 457 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: point favorites in this game, Pat, thirty seven is the 458 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: number plus three seventy five for the Giants. You know 459 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: there's not gonna be a lot of times we see 460 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: the Washington Commanders favored by double digits. It feels dirty, 461 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: but the way it feels right. Can you get on 462 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: board with this? 463 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 3: I don't think I can. Joe. I think I'm just 464 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 3: gonna walk away from this game. But I know what 465 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 3: you mean. 466 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 2: In this game, with a ten point spread and a 467 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 2: thirty seven point total, that means an implied point total 468 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 2: of thirteen and a half for the Giants, and it 469 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 2: feels right they managed to OutKick that in garbage time 470 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 2: against the Cowboys, certainly a much better defense than Washington, 471 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 2: which I had the pre trade deadline fire sale. But man, 472 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 2: I just there's nothing about this game that makes me 473 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 2: want to play it either way. 474 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 3: I just can't. I can't do it, Joe. 475 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: Sorry, Sam, Can I interest you in a double digit 476 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: spread in Washington? 477 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 4: No, not at all. I mean this is way this 478 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 4: is way too big of a line to trust Sam 479 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 4: Howe to cover. It's also not big enough for me 480 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,479 Speaker 4: to trust Tommy Devido to keep it that close. 481 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: I doubt said. That's what they call the perfect store, 482 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: my friend. 483 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think if I had to choose a side, 484 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 4: it would be with the Giants, just because of how 485 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 4: low this total is. If it does go under, then 486 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 4: the Giants are are most likely covering this spread. So 487 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 4: I mean, if you're looking for a sweat in this game, 488 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 4: that take the Giants. But I I'd. 489 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: Rather not fair enough. Let's talk about the Los Angeles 490 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: Chargers going to Green Bay. The Chargers fall to four 491 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: and five, tough loss for them at the final moments, 492 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: green Bay other loss for them. They are three point 493 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: home underdogs. Forty four is the number plus one forty 494 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: five on the green Bay money line. Sam, you know, 495 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers seemed to just have a host 496 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: of problems. Pat and I were just talking about on 497 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: FP two problems on the defensive side, especially that's secondary 498 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: looming as well for them. That seems like a bad 499 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: combination here. I don't know if the Chargers are favored 500 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: by enough in this game. I love the Chargers in 501 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 1: the spot, what about you? 502 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, the Chargers should be able to take care of 503 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 4: the Packers on offense, especially if kay Walker and Jyra 504 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 4: Alexander are out again. This is one of those things 505 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 4: where the Chargers just played in what was an emotional 506 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 4: game against the Lions and not being able to come 507 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 4: away with the victory, losing on that last second field goal. 508 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 4: The Packers, I think, had five red zone trips against 509 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 4: the Steelers and only scored on one of them, So 510 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 4: there's a little bit of randomness in that as well. 511 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 4: I lean the Chargers, but it being a noon game 512 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 4: in God's Central time zone, I do think I'm staying 513 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 4: away from this one as well. 514 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: All right, I'm in with two feet in this one. 515 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: I just think the Charges are just markedly better offensively here, Pat, 516 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: what do you think about this one? I just think 517 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: they're gonna outscore them to death here in this one 518 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: in three is just not enough. 519 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 2: Like, I can't disagree with that, Joe. That's kind of 520 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 2: the way I see the game going. But then again, 521 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: you've got the Chargers who just notoriously cannot close. 522 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: Games and ever on this show, Pat say, man, I 523 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: love the Chargers this week. I don't think I've said 524 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: that all season, but I just I love the Chargers 525 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: this week. I just do. 526 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 2: And by the way, Joe, it's a SoCal team going 527 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 2: to Green Bay in late November. Uh, it might be 528 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 2: a little frosty up there for the Chargers, So I 529 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 2: can't I'm not gonna bet either side on this one. 530 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 2: I do think I like the over here because I 531 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 2: do think, as Sam mentioned, you know, Koi Walker and 532 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 2: joy R Alexander are their availability is in doubt. The 533 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 2: Packers have traded Rasul Douglass, a trustworthy cornerback. They can't 534 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 2: stop the run, so I think they're gonna be points. 535 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 2: And strangely, uh, we've seen Jordan Love operate pretty well 536 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 2: in the second half sometimes when his when he's being 537 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 2: forced to play from behind and the Packers can't lean 538 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 2: on the running game, and you would think that would 539 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 2: make it tougher for Jordan Love to operate knowing he's 540 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 2: got to be one dimensional and throw throw a throw. 541 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 3: He's actually been. 542 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 2: Into his best in those situations, it seems like. So 543 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 2: I think we'll see points in this one. I do 544 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 2: sort of like the over. 545 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans are gonna travel with Jacksonville. The Titans are 546 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: three and six, the Jags are six and three. Jags 547 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: look terrible, five sacks on Trevor Lawrence. They could not 548 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: stop that pass rush of the San Francisco forty nine ers. Regardless, 549 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: though at home they are six and a half point 550 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: favorites here against Tennessee and Will Levis only mattered six 551 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: points of offense. I hate to say I told you so. 552 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: Actually that's a lie I enjoy saying that. Sometimes forty 553 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: points is the total for this one plus two forty 554 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,239 Speaker 1: for the Titans to win this contest. Pat, Look, you know, 555 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: I don't know if we're gonna get Levis again in 556 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: this game or not. I would assume we do, because 557 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: the Titans really don't have anything left to lose and 558 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: they need to continue to evaluate. It feels like a 559 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: get right game for the Jags. But the six and 560 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: a half feels a little large to me. What do 561 00:26:59,119 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: you think? 562 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 2: I think this seems tall and I cannot lay six 563 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,959 Speaker 2: and a half points to a Mike Vrabel team unless 564 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 2: I am certain that the favorite is capable of winning 565 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. I'm not convinced the Jaguars are capable 566 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 2: of winning the super Bowl, especially after we saw them 567 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 2: just get crushed by the forty nine ers coming out 568 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 2: of a bye. So I think a lot of the 569 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 2: goodwill of the Jaguars winning streak that they had built 570 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 2: up going into their by was sort of sort of 571 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 2: evaporated after that performance against San Francisco. So I'm not 572 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 2: sure if I'm going to bet the Titans here, but 573 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 2: I'm definitely not taking the Jags in laying six and 574 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: a half. 575 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: Sam your thoughts on this one too. The numbers pretty 576 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: low at forty, but then Tennessee again has to do 577 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: their part, and the Jaguars, you know, they need to 578 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: get right game in the worst way, and Tennessee's coming 579 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: into town here. But at the same time, it's just 580 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: really hard to trust the Jaguars. Do you have any 581 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: faith in them to cover the six and a half? 582 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 4: I do to an extent. I mean, I think you're 583 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 4: buying the Jaguars at their low. You know, we saw 584 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 4: the forty nine ers beat up on the Cowboys several 585 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 4: weeks ago, and the Cowboys have sort of returned to 586 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 4: their form. Tennessee offensive line is just abysmal, and will 587 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 4: Leves has struggled to handle pressure. He's got a fifty 588 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,959 Speaker 4: four point three PFF Grade one pressure, which is eighteenth 589 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 4: to month quarterbacks. He's also attempting a ton of deep passes. 590 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 4: I mean, he's got a ten plus eight hot in 591 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,479 Speaker 4: each of his games. Jacksonville is sixth best in EPA 592 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 4: per play allowed on passes traveling at least fifteen yards 593 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 4: in the air. So I think the Jags defense can 594 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 4: do enough to hold Tennessee's offense down. The obvious concern 595 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 4: is whether their offense can can do enough. But I 596 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 4: don't think the Titans defenses is really that scary, So 597 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 4: I think I'm laying off for now, but they are 598 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 4: Jacksonville an interesting teaser leg if it stays at six 599 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 4: and a half or more. 600 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: The forty nine Ers defense looks pretty scary when you 601 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: have Moosa on one side and Young on the other. 602 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: San Francisco goes to six and three. They stopped the bleeding. 603 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: They are ten and a half point favorites at home 604 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. We're four and five and competitive. 605 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: The Bucks go out there and they compete every week. 606 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: They're coming off the victory of their own. Forty one 607 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: and a half is the number for this one. Tampa 608 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: Bay for the upset plus four twenty five. So is 609 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: it just as easy sam as San Franz back and yeah, 610 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: double digits, we'll cover that. 611 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 4: I think it is. But again, this is another one 612 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 4: that Tampa Bay has been frisky in some games against 613 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 4: better competite, excuse me, against better competition. They've faltered a bit, 614 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 4: but they were able to keep it close against Buffalo. 615 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 4: But that said, they just don't have I think the 616 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 4: fire power to keep up with San Francisco here. I 617 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 4: think San Francisco is able to cover this, but it'll 618 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 4: be I think a little bit closer than people expect. 619 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: Two weeks ago, they showed a lot of firepower. They 620 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: were going back and forth trade and blows there with 621 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: the the Houston Texans. Excuse me, Pat, do you think 622 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield has another rabbit in his hat this game 623 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: against the forty nine Ers. 624 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean they hung close with the Bills 625 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago. So it's interesting the total 626 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 2: on this has dropped a full point since it from 627 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 2: where it opened. So it's as if the betting public 628 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,719 Speaker 2: does think maybe now the forty nine Ers defense is like, 629 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 2: it's just gonna be impregnable now that they've got Chase Young. 630 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 3: In that pass rush. 631 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 2: But we saw that defense look pretty terrible right before 632 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 2: they're by and with some problems on the back end, 633 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 2: and I like Mike Evans and Chris Godwin, are they 634 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 2: going to completely shut down these guys? You know, Baker's 635 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 2: mobile enough to get away from the pass rush. So 636 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 2: I'm intrigued by the over here. I don't really see 637 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 2: value on either side because the Buccaneers have shown the 638 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 2: ability to hang with tougher opponents, So I'm not laying 639 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,479 Speaker 2: the ten and a half. I'm mildly intrigued by the 640 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 2: over here. 641 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the next one here, And 642 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: I just don't understand this one. I gotta be honest 643 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: with you, Buffalo Bills. We'll see what happens to night 644 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: on Monday Night Football. But no matter what happens, they 645 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: are favored by seven against the New York Jets. Forty 646 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: and a half is the number consensus on betting pros, 647 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: plus two fifty for the Jets upset pat This Jets 648 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: offense is misery, absolute misery. Seven is not enough to me. 649 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: I guessaid, I don't care. The Buffalo Bills can go 650 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: out there and just lose outright tonight, and I don't care. 651 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: I'm still going to be on the Bill side of this. 652 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: I don't think seven is enough. But what do you think? 653 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 2: No one wants to bet the Jets, Joe, But the 654 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,719 Speaker 2: Jets beat the Bills back in Week one when they 655 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 2: lost Aaron Rodgers early in that game, found a way 656 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 2: to come back and win. They split the series with 657 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 2: the Bills last year and covered in both games. So 658 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 2: they have covered in three straight. 659 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 3: Against the Bills. 660 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 2: And yes, you look at Josh Allen against Zach Wilson, 661 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 2: and you know that looks like Muhammad Ali against Glass 662 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 2: Joe pretty much as far as the quarterback matchup. But man, 663 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 2: like this Jets d is fierce, and they do seem 664 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 2: to play up to the level of competition at times, 665 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 2: like they seem to get up for challenges. So, man, 666 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 2: I do think the Jets are capable of uglying this 667 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 2: game up and staying within a touchdown. 668 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: Well you might have made my argument for me though, 669 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: because you said they split every series. So this is 670 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: the Bills turn to win in convincing fashion, Right, Sam, 671 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: Let's go Bills right over the Jets. I mean, come on, 672 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: this Jets offense is just pathetic the last few weeks. 673 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: How can they seven seven? I don't even know if 674 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: they can get up to seven against Buffalo. 675 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, the Jets offense is anemic, to say the least. 676 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 4: The thing that confuses me with the Bills is that 677 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 4: they are top four in almost every major efficiency stat 678 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 4: there is, you know, EPA per play successor at all 679 00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 4: that stuff, But it just doesn't look like it. I mean, 680 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 4: they just seem like they're sort of doing their thing, 681 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 4: like they've had a couple bummer losses like they didn't 682 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 4: get much going against Cincinnati last week. So I'm waiting 683 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 4: for the Monday night football game tonight. I want to 684 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 4: see what this Bill's offense looks like against what is 685 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 4: certainly a below average Broncos defense, and if they can 686 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,239 Speaker 4: put together a complete game, then I'm all in on 687 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 4: the Bills, but I need to see it first because 688 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 4: their defense has struggled a little bit too. Obviously. Again, 689 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 4: I think the Raiders defense has not been great, but 690 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 4: and the Jets couldn't put up much against them. But 691 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 4: I just need to see if from this Bill's offense once. 692 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel yeah, but it's the Jets and Zach Wilson. 693 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: So I'm just going to close my eyes and bet it. 694 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: And of course, make sure you're making all your bets 695 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: over at betting Pros, and make sure you're joining our 696 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: NFL contest. 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You don't even have to be betting. 707 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: You just have to make picks. It's just fun. You're 708 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: like fun, don't you? Well? Go join the contest right now. 709 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: Let's go to this next one might be fun, might 710 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: be more fun than we realized. The Los Angeles Rams 711 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 1: coming off a buy three and six. Maybe Matthew Stafford 712 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: a little bit healthier. We shall see. The Seattle Seahawks 713 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: coming off a big victory. They are six and three 714 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: right now, So forty four and a half is the 715 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 1: number the Rams should be underdogs in this game. The 716 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: number feels right plus one twenty on the money line 717 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: for the Rams. To me, the forty four and a 718 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: half is the most intriguing. I like the over in 719 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,479 Speaker 1: this game. What do you think, Sam? Yeah? 720 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,479 Speaker 4: I mean this largely depends on Matthew Stafford's health, which 721 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 4: is why I'm staying away from it right now, we 722 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 4: don't know whether he's going to play in this game. 723 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,439 Speaker 4: I would assume he does since they didn't put him 724 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 4: on injured reserve, but there is that concern still. The 725 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 4: Seahawks offense has just been weird. Like a couple of 726 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 4: weeks ago, there were people calling for Gino Smith's job 727 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 4: and telling saying the Seahawks should should bench him for 728 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 4: Drew Locke, which I vehemently disagree with. But they again, 729 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 4: they have yet to put together a full and incomplete game. 730 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 4: They looked much better in the second half against Washington 731 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 4: on Sunday, but their offense just tends to sputter at times. 732 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 4: So I think this line is pretty close to accurate. 733 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 4: And I'd be waiting to see what the status of 734 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 4: Matthew Stafford is because that's going to change things a lot. 735 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: I feel like both these teams are mistake prone, and 736 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: that's why I like the over in the forty four 737 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: and a half because usually mistakes learned lean to points, 738 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: you know, typically, in my opinion, Fitz, what do you 739 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: think about this game here? It does feel kind of 740 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: spot on. I like the over. Anything you like here, I. 741 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 2: Think as soon as we get any indication that Matthew 742 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 2: Stafford is going to play, and I do believe he 743 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 2: will play. This line is gonna come down right now. 744 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 2: I don't want to take it. When I checked on DraftKings, 745 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,800 Speaker 2: it was Rams plus three but at minus one twenty 746 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 2: to bet the Rams, so I don't really want to 747 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,240 Speaker 2: do that. I'm a little more interested in the Rams 748 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 2: on the money line because I like a home dog 749 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 2: on the money line when I think they have the 750 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 2: better quarterback. That to me just seems like a reasonable play. 751 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 2: And like Gino has not played well. He was he 752 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 2: was decent against the Commanders on Sunday, but for the 753 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 2: most part, we've seen early career Geno Smith for much 754 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 2: of the season, and I think, you know, late career 755 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 2: Mathew Stafford, Trump's early career Geno Smith. So like, give, yeah, 756 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 2: give me the Rams on the money line. 757 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: Here the team that can't be stopped, the Minnesota Vikings. 758 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: Who needs Justin Jefferson, who needs Kirk Cousins. We've got 759 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,919 Speaker 1: Josh Dobbs, Jordan Addison and Ty Chandler. That's all we need. 760 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: Minnesota travels to Denver. They are underdogs plus one and 761 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 1: a half right now at minus one ten forty three 762 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,399 Speaker 1: and a half is the number plus one oh five 763 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 1: for Minnesota right now. Again, the Denver Broncos, we'll see 764 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: what they do tonight. But Pat, I'm just gonna keep 765 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,439 Speaker 1: rolling the dice here with the Minnesota Vikings. They're hot, 766 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: they're believing in themselves. I think they can go on 767 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: the road in Denver and come out with a victory. 768 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: So I will go straight to the money line on 769 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 1: this one. What about you? 770 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 2: It does seem like kind of a toss up, Joe. 771 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 2: The one thing that makes me hesitate is like the 772 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 2: Broncos may have kind of quietly fixed their defense. 773 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I think they're gonna beat the Bills tonight, 774 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: but we'll see well more on that. Join our live 775 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: streams every Monday and Thursday for that conversation. But continue on, 776 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 1: my friend. 777 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Broncos have held two of their last three 778 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 2: opponents under one hundred rushing yards. They seem to have 779 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,919 Speaker 2: gotten things squared away a little bit in the back 780 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 2: end on past defense. So boy, yeah, Like, I'm not 781 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 2: quite sure what to expect with this game. So this 782 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 2: is when I'm kind of staying away from I just 783 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 2: don't see any value and like there's pretty much no 784 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,280 Speaker 2: outcome in this game that would surprise me. High scoring, 785 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 2: low scoring win. 786 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: So Sam, I'm writing a script here where I get 787 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos upset and this money line increases a 788 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 1: little bit, and then I go bet the Minnesota Vikings. 789 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to live in. That's that's the 790 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,359 Speaker 1: world I'm creating for myself. But what do you think 791 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,280 Speaker 1: here any early value on this line between Minnesota and Denver. 792 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, Joshua Dobbs is him, he could take the Vikings higher. 793 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,439 Speaker 4: I mean Kenmin O'Connell has talked about the value of 794 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 4: having a rushing quarterback and what it can do to 795 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 4: open up the playbook and the different options you have 796 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 4: from there. He's obviously been a little bit quiet about 797 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 4: that in the past because Kirk Counsins is not a 798 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 4: mobile quarterback. But I think we're seeing that here with 799 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 4: Joshua Dobbs being able to extend plays with his feet 800 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,839 Speaker 4: and run some some readoption plays. I think they'll get 801 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 4: Justin Jefferson back. They do have, in my opinion, a 802 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 4: clear coaching advantage in Kevin O'Connell over Sean Payton at 803 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 4: this point in his career. So I love the Vikings 804 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 4: money line. I think we just continue to ride Josh Dobbs. 805 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 4: He is just a phenomenal story. Like I think it's 806 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 4: you take a step back and think of what he's 807 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 4: all been through and it's just super impressive what he's doing. 808 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,359 Speaker 4: I'm enamored with the man right now. 809 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: I am. So there's nothing I love more than sitting 810 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: here with two giant cheeseheads who last two weeks have 811 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: done nothing but talk about how awesome the Vikings and 812 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: Josh Dobbs are. Like, I don't know how you guys 813 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,399 Speaker 1: are sleeping at night, but it's entertaining for me. I'm 814 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 1: loving this. I'm really enjoying this and taking shots at 815 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 1: Sean Payton the way out to look at. 816 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 3: You, well, look at the good thing is Joe. 817 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 818 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 2: I mean, now we're we weren't expecting the Vikings to 819 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 2: make the playoffs, but now Sam and I know we're 820 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 2: going to get to watch the Vikings fans go through 821 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 2: another soul crushing playoffs. 822 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: That's what it is. 823 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 3: That's encouraging. 824 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: Well, it looks like Kevin O'Connell's having himself a hell 825 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: of a time. He smiles galore there, throwing his hands 826 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: up giving hugs looks like a good feel good story 827 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 1: basically in Minnesota, and I'm riding that wave. I mean, 828 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 1: it just looks good. Now. Look, this is the marquee 829 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,280 Speaker 1: matchup of the week, coming off the bye. Andy Reid's 830 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: always really good. Well, the Eagles are coming off the bye. 831 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: Two eight and one Eagles against seven and two Kansas 832 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 1: City Chiefs, the rematch of the Super Bowl. The two 833 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: favorites to go back there again. And it's hard to 834 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 1: argue right now from what we've seen, Maybe like the 835 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 1: forty nine ers of the Cowboys, if you want to 836 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 1: make a case for somebody else in the AFC, I 837 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: don't know, but the Kansasity Chiefs are three point favorites 838 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 1: at home in Kansas City. Forty six and a half 839 00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: is the number for this one plus one thirty four 840 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: the Eagles on the upset. So, Sam, do the Eagles 841 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 1: get some revenge here on a Kansas Chiefs team that 842 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: also has struggled at times to put everything together? What 843 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 1: do you think about this one? 844 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 4: I mean, this is going to be some good, clean fun. 845 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,320 Speaker 4: I go through and make the lines every you know 846 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 4: what I would have them said at before we record here, 847 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 4: and I could not have been more confident that this 848 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 4: is going to be a two and a half or 849 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 4: three point spread, just with the way these two teams are. 850 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 4: I do think there are a couple of things. I mean, 851 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,440 Speaker 4: the Eagles are not going to have Dallas Godder, which 852 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,760 Speaker 4: with their depth at wide receiver, is a slight concern. Obviously, 853 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,240 Speaker 4: the Chiefs offense has looked a little bit out of spurts. 854 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 4: I think the Eagles have the coaching advantage just from 855 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 4: a decision making perspective, But I think Andy Reid, from 856 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 4: a scheme and play calling perspective, is going to come 857 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 4: out of this buy and figure out a way to 858 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 4: get these these receivers involved. He's going to put the 859 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 4: good stuff out. I think he's going to show that 860 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 4: this offense is what it is and can come away 861 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 4: with a victory. So at minus three, it is very, 862 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 4: very tough for me to take the Chiefs against this 863 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 4: Eagles because they are a phenomenal team. But I like 864 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 4: the Chiefs overall in this matchup. 865 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,760 Speaker 1: All right, FITZI, big game, what's the pick? 866 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,360 Speaker 2: I can predict how Joe Pi Sapia is going to 867 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 2: bet this game? 868 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,439 Speaker 3: And Joe, I. 869 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 2: Think you could actually talk me into the Eagles on 870 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 2: the money line at plus one thirty. 871 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 1: Well, when you're when Vegas is telling you there's no advantage, 872 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 1: which is the three, Like when Vegas when Vega says 873 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 1: Bett Holmes Vavora by three, they're telling you they don't know, 874 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,720 Speaker 1: So take the value, which is the money line. 875 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's interesting that the total on this game 876 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,239 Speaker 2: dropped a point and a half overnight. It opened at 877 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 2: forty eight on Sunday night on DraftKings, and it was 878 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 2: forty six and a half last I checked right before 879 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 2: this show. The Eagles have been really leaky in the 880 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,400 Speaker 2: secondary lately. They have had all sorts of issues trying 881 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 2: to deal with wide receivers, and weirdly enough, I have 882 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 2: to question whether the Chiefs can actually take advantage of 883 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,399 Speaker 2: that with the wide receiver group they have, Like this 884 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 2: is not a good group. 885 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 3: So boy, like I could you could. 886 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 2: Definitely talk me into the Eagles of the money line here, Joe. 887 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,839 Speaker 2: I do think this is a really close matchup and 888 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:30,880 Speaker 2: I kind of like that plus money. 889 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,239 Speaker 1: I could guarantee you the Eagles of the money line 890 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 1: will be part of my ten favorite bets for Week eleven. 891 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 1: So make sure you subscribe to the YouTube channel of 892 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,359 Speaker 1: Betting Pros. 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