Speaker 1: What's that at bed? It's spooky, Hey, Joky, I'm really
Speaker 1: sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I'm yours.
Speaker 1: I'm Nandas.
Speaker 3: Please Hey boo, it's me Raz and welcome to Ghosted
Speaker 3: by Raz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people
Speaker 3: that I like about things that make.
Speaker 1: Me go bitch, there's no way that's true. Before I
Speaker 1: get into my conversation that I had with psychic medium
Speaker 1: Logan Taylor, I want to tell you that I'm going
Speaker 1: on the road. Baby. I'm gonna come see you because
Speaker 1: I'm doing stand up and I'm gonna be headlining a
Speaker 1: couple of different venues. And then don't worry, I'm going
Speaker 1: to be adding more dates as time goes on. But
Speaker 1: this is kind of my first time going out there
Speaker 1: on the road by myself, and so I'm going to
Speaker 1: be headlining at Stonewall in New York City Legendary Oh
Speaker 1: my God. That is on the eighth of November as
Speaker 1: part of the New York Comedy Festival. I will be
Speaker 1: on the thirtieth of November in Seattle at the Hereafter
Speaker 1: on the first of December, I'm packing my passport and
Speaker 1: going to Vancouver, BC to the Biltmore and then on
Speaker 1: the third of December, I'm going to Portland at Helium
Speaker 1: Comedy Club. So you can get your tickets on those
Speaker 1: venues websites or go to the link in my bio
Speaker 1: on Instagram and you can get them there. Okay, So
Speaker 1: you know, at the top of the show today, I
Speaker 1: did say something about you know, sometimes I get a
Speaker 1: little skeptical. People tell me things that are of the
Speaker 1: paranormal nature, and I'm like, come on, there's no way
Speaker 1: I am skeptical. I am not a non believer. I
Speaker 1: am merely a human. I do not have all the answers.
Speaker 1: I would love to believe that there is more out there.
Speaker 1: Every once in a while I get little glimpses of
Speaker 1: things that make me believe that there could be more
Speaker 1: than what we see with the naked eye. One topic
Speaker 1: that really really gets my skepticism going is the topic
Speaker 1: of psychics. If you listen to this show, you've heard
Speaker 1: me talk a lot about psychics over the years. My
Speaker 1: opinions have changed a couple years ago or so, and
Speaker 1: I'm constantly forming new opinions and thoughts and theories. But
Speaker 1: after working with three psychics, very closely on the television
Speaker 1: show Living for the Dead, which you can start streaming
Speaker 1: on Hulu the eighteenth of October. I will say that
Speaker 1: experience my opinions of psychics really hasn't changed, and I
Speaker 1: am definitely pro psychics, at least the idea of psychics,
Speaker 1: the concept of them. I'm not gonna say just because
Speaker 1: someone's a psychic, I one hundred percent believe that they're
Speaker 1: not trying to like rip you off or you know,
Speaker 1: get money out of you or whatever. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but some of my thoughts on psychics are that I
Speaker 1: definitely think that it's an ability that is possible. I
Speaker 1: think everybody has the ability. I think some people have
Speaker 1: it stronger than others. I believe that psychics are allowed
Speaker 1: to be wrong. I think they should be able to
Speaker 1: not always get everything right. They are human beings. They
Speaker 1: have this magic power that perhaps we all have, but
Speaker 1: they just are really in tune with it. They're not gods.
Speaker 1: So you know, anytime someone goes to a psychic looking
Speaker 1: for all the answers to the problems, I I'm not
Speaker 1: nuts about that. And you know, people ask me to
Speaker 1: recommend psychics. I don't. I don't know what to tell
Speaker 1: you in that situation, you just maybe follow your own
Speaker 1: intuition of which psychic feels right to you. But the
Speaker 1: psychics that I worked with on the show, I definitely
Speaker 1: saw each and every one of them at various points
Speaker 1: show their gifts. And I'm someone that I need a
Speaker 1: second opinion just because the psychic says something, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna jot that one down. You know, I'm a
Speaker 1: detective over here with the paranormal. I gotta I gotta
Speaker 1: ask some more questions. I gotta try out a couple
Speaker 1: of different things.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Sometimes when we would investigate together, I would consult some
Speaker 1: of the technology or do some more research or interview
Speaker 1: people that might know the answers to what the psychic said.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean I totally had confirmation with these
Speaker 1: three psychics. They're all really incredible. I think when you
Speaker 1: watch the television show, you're going to see, first of all,
Speaker 1: it's a show that is very different than what you've
Speaker 1: seen when it comes to ghost hunting shows for a
Speaker 1: lot of reasons. I mean, it is an all queer cast.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I just want to say, I'm
Speaker 1: dedicating my whole month to this show, but I want
Speaker 1: people to see it and to talk about it and
Speaker 1: to hear about it, because if we want shows like this,
Speaker 1: shows that are doing stuff differently, shows with all queer casts,
Speaker 1: paranormal shows, if we want any of this stuff, people
Speaker 1: need to watch it and people you know, need to
Speaker 1: like it, which I strongly believe you will if you
Speaker 1: do watch it, So please tell your friends spread the word.
Speaker 1: When you watch the show, you will see us helping
Speaker 1: the people that are in these situations where their lives
Speaker 1: are being strongly affected by ghosts or unexplained phenomenal and
Speaker 1: we go in there with a mission, and we definitely
Speaker 1: do a lot of our due diligence, whether you see
Speaker 1: it in the episode or not. I think particularly like
Speaker 1: me and Alex, for example, we really like the technical
Speaker 1: side of it. We like to get as many different
Speaker 1: concrete answers as we can. Then there's the three psychics
Speaker 1: that use various different ways of getting to the bottom
Speaker 1: of it by using their intuitions. We spent so many
Speaker 1: hours and days in each one of these investigations. But
Speaker 1: I promise you, as the one that's the skeptic and
Speaker 1: somebody that has really dedicated my life to this stuff.
Speaker 1: I promise you. We are trying so many different techniques
Speaker 1: and those were grueling hours getting to where we end
Speaker 1: up by the end of the episode. So today I
Speaker 1: get to talk to Logan Taylor, who is our medium,
Speaker 1: though you know, we do have a few people with
Speaker 1: different mediums abilities psychic abilities, but Logan is particularly amazing
Speaker 1: at tuning in to people that have passed to the
Speaker 1: other side, and it's incredible. You're gonna fall in love
Speaker 1: with him. He's really got something special, and I get
Speaker 1: to talk to him today. So I hope you enjoyed
Speaker 1: this conversation with Logan Taylor and with the show. I'm
Speaker 1: getting a message. The spirits are telling me that someone
Speaker 1: is in the room, somebody with the initials l T.
Speaker 1: Is it Liv Tyler, Lily Tomlin Now Logan Taylor. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, Hi, hello, Logan, how are you.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad to be here. This is a dream
Speaker 2: come true. I'm just honored. I feel starstruck.
Speaker 1: You feel starstruck, please, And.
Speaker 2: I spent two months on the road with you.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you silly goose.
Speaker 2: I'm nothing if I'm not charming.
Speaker 1: Roz, you were about to say something before we start
Speaker 1: a recording, and I said, save it. What were you
Speaker 1: gonna say?
Speaker 2: I was gonna say that. Ever since we announced being
Speaker 2: on the show, everybody's been so excited. But the biggest
Speaker 2: reaction I've gotten from people is that, oh my god,
Speaker 2: you're doing a show with Roz Hernandez and it's people
Speaker 2: from here Mcmenville. You know people who you know? We're
Speaker 2: just country folks. I love it. You are a global phenomenon, babe.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I made my way to Mcminville, Tennessee.
Speaker 2: I mean you made the big time.
Speaker 1: Holy shit. Well that is something that we should talk about,
Speaker 1: is that you are Mcminville, Tennessee's finest and now you're
Speaker 1: a television star. What's been going through your mind? How
Speaker 1: do you feel about that?
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if I'm going to get ran out of town,
Speaker 2: but I'm excited about it and I'm ready for it.
Speaker 1: Why do you say that? Is it hard to be
Speaker 1: a psychic and queer and all that? And Tennessee I
Speaker 1: live in.
Speaker 2: A really small town where there are more churches than
Speaker 2: there are restaurants, and people were more freaked out by
Speaker 2: the whole psychic medium thing than they were a by
Speaker 2: the gay thing. I've had preachers here preach sermons about
Speaker 2: me being evil and all this stuff. I have people
Speaker 2: dodged me in the grocery store all the.
Speaker 1: Time, and really yeah, yeah, but I have a lot
Speaker 1: of people who know.
Speaker 2: Me and know that once they get to know me
Speaker 2: or get a reading themselves, they're like, oh, he's not
Speaker 2: making the table levitate and rolling his eyes back in
Speaker 2: his head and stuff. That's just not my style. But
Speaker 2: I don't know, I've embraced it, and being on the
Speaker 2: show actually helped me sort of see a full version
Speaker 2: of mine. So it was really good.
Speaker 1: You know, it's sad, but it's just true. And I've
Speaker 1: talked to many people from smaller towns about this. Once
Speaker 1: you're on a TV show, all of a sudden, these
Speaker 1: people don't care about their things. Yeah you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like they're just like, I don't like queer
Speaker 1: people or whatever. And then they're like, oh, but this
Speaker 1: one's on TV. Oh can I have a picture with you? Like,
Speaker 1: fuck off?
Speaker 2: No, I'm hoping it's that reaction. I think it will
Speaker 2: be because I'm proud of it. I love the show.
Speaker 1: Well, I want to talk about the show, but first
Speaker 1: I want to talk about what you do and who
Speaker 1: you are and all of this. So you're the medium
Speaker 1: of the group. Yes, tell me about that. When did
Speaker 1: that start for you? What was the first moment you
Speaker 1: said I see dead people.
Speaker 2: I was really actually young, and it runs in my family.
Speaker 2: It's a generational thing, so my great great grandmother was
Speaker 2: very into it, and all of my family has had
Speaker 2: psychics through the line, so I was familiar with it.
Speaker 2: But I remember distinctively being like ten or eleven years old,
Speaker 2: and I have twin sisters who are much younger than me,
Speaker 2: and they were just starting to walk. And I was
Speaker 2: walking through my bedroom at the time in my childhood home,
Speaker 2: and a little girl ran by me and she left
Speaker 2: a little hamprint on my leg, like there was like
Speaker 2: a little you know, And I thought it was one
Speaker 2: of the twins, and I said, oh, sorry, babe. And
Speaker 2: I look at the top of the stairs and they're
Speaker 2: both up there. And that was the first real apparition
Speaker 2: that I saw and felt was human.
Speaker 1: Who the hell was that?
Speaker 2: I don't know, I still do this day, don't know.
Speaker 2: I didn't investigate. I didn't see if anybody died in
Speaker 2: the house before we lived there. I did not know,
Speaker 2: but that was it changed everything for me. I tell
Speaker 2: people all the time that this is crazy, and it's
Speaker 2: like I myself am a skeptic, so I feel like
Speaker 2: I have to know it and sense it for it
Speaker 2: to be ture. I've been trying to get out of
Speaker 2: this business all these years because, like I said, I
Speaker 2: felt judged by people here, you know. But I'm never
Speaker 2: gonna get out of this. I never expected to be
Speaker 2: a professional psychic. I never expected that.
Speaker 1: That little girl, she's lucky, shouldn't do that to me.
Speaker 1: I've got cat like reflexes. I would have grabbed her
Speaker 1: wrist and put it like behind her back, and I
Speaker 1: would have said, touch me again.
Speaker 2: You had have whipped her with that ponytail.
Speaker 1: Yes, I would have. You already know. So when you
Speaker 1: say that your family also were psychics, were you like
Speaker 1: raised with this idea that that's just like a thing
Speaker 1: that people are or what.
Speaker 2: No, it was very it was very sort of hidden
Speaker 2: and discreete. My grandfather was a deacon in the church.
Speaker 2: I mean, he was just the amount of psychic ability.
Speaker 2: My great grandfather would have and just not even really
Speaker 2: talk about it. Now. His mom was very open. I
Speaker 2: have journals and articles of her stuff that she would
Speaker 2: write about her visions and her encounters. And she was
Speaker 2: very into herbs and everything. But we actually have it.
Speaker 2: Sounds kind of corny, but there's a big rock or
Speaker 2: a crystal that my great great grandmother discovered. I live
Speaker 2: on my family farm. It's a three hundred acre farm.
Speaker 2: My whole family lives here. And she discovered this geo
Speaker 2: back in the thirties, and I guess she blessed it.
Speaker 2: I don't know what she did to it. But we all,
Speaker 2: all the psychics who are sort of outwardly psychic, my
Speaker 2: aunt being the first, we get little chunks of a
Speaker 2: crystal that we get to keep around us when we
Speaker 2: do investigate or we do readings or things like that,
Speaker 2: and you wear it. I wear it.
Speaker 1: You wear it on the show. Yeah, you said she
Speaker 1: was into herbs. Are you into herbs?
Speaker 2: Oh my god. I love Paulo Santo. I love lavender.
Speaker 2: I love a good sage sash. I love it all.
Speaker 1: Are you like witchy?
Speaker 2: I mean I'd wearn't like my Paulo Santo. I have
Speaker 2: my crystals. I do the pendul stuff. I more burning
Speaker 2: that stuff so it smells good and like it makes
Speaker 2: it feel light in my house, you know, but I
Speaker 2: wish I was more. I have friends and like teachers
Speaker 2: who were like, their house is full of jars of herbs,
Speaker 2: and like it's typical what you'd see in an old
Speaker 2: like Mountain Mountain witch house. But I just I don't
Speaker 2: know if I'm smart enough for all that.
Speaker 1: So at what point did you start giving readings to people?
Speaker 1: At what point were you like, Okay, I think I
Speaker 1: could do this and charge people.
Speaker 2: I remember two stories specifically before I was sixteen, and
Speaker 2: my friend and I were swimming in my pool and
Speaker 2: I felt this. I didn't know if she had lost
Speaker 2: her mom. It wasn't something she talked about. And her
Speaker 2: mom came through just naturally. We were just talking and
Speaker 2: she was so blown away by she was crying and
Speaker 2: it was just, like I said, still casual. And then
Speaker 2: right after high school, my friends would get me to
Speaker 2: like go to cemeteries and they'd be like, I'd say,
Speaker 2: you know a name, I saw some random abstract name,
Speaker 2: and they would have me go find the you know,
Speaker 2: they would take me somewhere where they they played games
Speaker 2: with me.
Speaker 1: Basically that's a fun game.
Speaker 2: I know it was fun, but it was like I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, there's something to this. My cousin would
Speaker 2: take me to parties in like literally a barn or
Speaker 2: a shack behind somebody's house, and I read all his
Speaker 2: friends and like they'd be It was just it seemed
Speaker 2: like it was something I had to do. So I
Speaker 2: was eighteen when I started reading professionally, and so now
Speaker 2: I've been doing it for ten years. Like I said,
Speaker 2: never thought i'd say.
Speaker 1: That, But how much do you do it? Like walk
Speaker 1: me through your psychic life?
Speaker 2: I read every weekday.
Speaker 1: Same people are like, do you have a lot of
Speaker 1: repeat customers?
Speaker 2: I do have a lot of repeat customers, but it's
Speaker 2: actually surprisingly in all as many people from here, it's
Speaker 2: people from all over the world. When I'm not doing
Speaker 2: readings or ghost hunting, I travel around the country and
Speaker 2: do like little gallery readings at little metaphysical shops and
Speaker 2: meet a lot of people. That way.
Speaker 1: You make people cry. I've seen you make peace people cry.
Speaker 1: Now does that secretly feel a little bit good?
Speaker 2: Are you? Like? Yeah? When they cry, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: I did a good job. I know. If somebody's bawling
Speaker 2: their eyes out in the radio, I'm like, okay, I
Speaker 2: did something right, but it's healing. It's good. I have
Speaker 2: a hard time crying. I really when people can cry
Speaker 2: and let out those emotions, I love it.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting because it's like the opposite of what
Speaker 1: I try to do. If people started crying, I would
Speaker 1: be doing a horrible job at my job. But when
Speaker 1: people start crying for you, it's like you did You're
Speaker 1: killing now that all we're so good together. I've said
Speaker 1: this before, but I really think that psychics are similar
Speaker 1: to comedians totally. You know, I have a lot of
Speaker 1: thoughts of psychics, and I definitely tend to be more
Speaker 1: skeptical of psychics. Yes, but to give the benefit of
Speaker 1: the doubt to psychics, I often compare it to being
Speaker 1: a comedian or having a sense of humor, where I
Speaker 1: think that everyone can have a sense of humor. You
Speaker 1: can develop it. Some people are just born with a
Speaker 1: great sense of humor, And I think that when you
Speaker 1: start doing it for a living, sometimes you have bad
Speaker 1: days on the job and sometimes you just absolutely slay.
Speaker 1: And I think that there can be a mix of
Speaker 1: the both. You can, you know, not every joke lands
Speaker 1: you can have like a couple of really good zingers
Speaker 1: in there, but some of them aren't great. Like I
Speaker 1: think it's you know, when you say a sense of humor,
Speaker 1: it is a sense, you know, the sixth sense. I
Speaker 1: think it's like something within people that is human, even
Speaker 1: though it seems superhuman or whatever. It's like a magical power.
Speaker 1: But I do think that as a human you can
Speaker 1: have good days, you can have bad days. And as
Speaker 1: I always say, if a psychic was right one hundred
Speaker 1: percent of the time, they would be a god. We
Speaker 1: would just worship them and go to them for every answer.
Speaker 2: World. M well, we don't get to cheat, and that's
Speaker 2: a lot of things when people do want to put
Speaker 2: you to the test. A really famous psychic I can't
Speaker 2: remember who it was, said we have to have the
Speaker 2: human experience like everybody else. So people will be like,
Speaker 2: what's the lottery number? Tell me x Y and Zane.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, you know, I don't. I can't tell
Speaker 2: you that that's that's your experience, but I will tell
Speaker 2: you everybody's intuitive. You're right, it's a it's a born trait.
Speaker 2: We all have intuition. It protects us and keeps us safe.
Speaker 2: You know, it's our conscience. But I feel like to
Speaker 2: paint this picture that it's all perfect all the time
Speaker 2: is unrealistic, and I don't like. That's why I said,
Speaker 2: i'm myself. I'm skeptical because I have to be really
Speaker 2: mindful of if I'm being paranoid or if I'm having
Speaker 2: a vision, you know what I mean. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: just like I have to sort of understand that I'm
Speaker 2: a human too, and I had to release that expectation
Speaker 2: a long time ago that I had to be right
Speaker 2: one hundred percent of the time where I had to
Speaker 2: make every single person cry. I had to realize that
Speaker 2: everybody's experience is for them. I tell my clients, You're
Speaker 2: not here by coincidence, and neither am I. So let's
Speaker 2: just ride this way together and it you know, people
Speaker 2: seem to love it.
Speaker 1: So this always feels like such a demeaning question. But
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Okay, what are your abilities?
Speaker 1: Can you hear? Can you smell? Can you taste?
Speaker 2: So when I was a kid, I could see full
Speaker 2: body apparitions like you like you talk about imaginary friends
Speaker 2: big time. And the older I got, and it was
Speaker 2: even like that when I first started reading. But the
Speaker 2: older I've gotten and lived more life it's like it's
Speaker 2: become more of a feeling. I see it in my
Speaker 2: third eye, I see it sort of in my brain,
Speaker 2: and I feel it that way. A lot of times
Speaker 2: I'm connecting with souls or loved ones. But also I
Speaker 2: will receive messages just for that person, So I can't
Speaker 2: call my it is a psychic medium, because I guess
Speaker 2: the term psychic is just past present, future intuiting type stuff,
Speaker 2: and then a medium, I guess you would consider somebody
Speaker 2: who interacts with spirits. And so I do a little
Speaker 2: bit of all of it.
Speaker 1: But that's why, like when I think about if this
Speaker 1: kind of a thing is real or not, and I
Speaker 1: talked to psychics, and I'm like, so there was a
Speaker 1: time when you were a child and you started just
Speaker 1: seeing dead people. I mean, that sounds horrible. Yeah, how
Speaker 1: do you deal with that? I mean, was that tough?
Speaker 2: Luckily I had my aunt who was very supportive, and
Speaker 2: you know, when I couldn't talk to mom about it,
Speaker 2: I would talk to my aunt about it. I have
Speaker 2: this one specific memory being in church and I started
Speaker 2: crying in the middle of church because I a girl
Speaker 2: who was sitting a few rows down. I was little.
Speaker 2: This is when I saw into church, I just started
Speaker 2: crying because I felt like her mom was gonna die
Speaker 2: and I didn't know what and I didn't say anything.
Speaker 2: I was just in the middle of hotda, I know,
Speaker 2: heavy shit. In the next day at school, they now
Speaker 2: and let us know that her mom had passed away
Speaker 2: in a car at the night before, And that was
Speaker 2: the That was the point where I realized it wasn't
Speaker 2: just funning games. I've had a few instances in my
Speaker 2: life and experiences that were so profound, and it was
Speaker 2: just like, this is bigger than just a game. It's
Speaker 2: it's more than that. That was when it felt really
Speaker 2: real and like a responsibility. And so as a kid,
Speaker 2: I luckily did have older family members who I could
Speaker 2: lean on.
Speaker 1: Do you have those moments where you're like Teresa Caputo
Speaker 1: at the deli and you're like, I'm so sorry to
Speaker 1: interrupt you, but I just have to tell you you
Speaker 1: are going to die tomorrow. You tell people like, does
Speaker 1: that happen?
Speaker 2: I tried it. One thing about me, I did try
Speaker 2: to be really particular about what I say, and you know,
Speaker 2: I try not to let people know I know all
Speaker 2: their dirty laundry. But like I've been in I've gotten
Speaker 2: pulled over before and given the cop of reading and
Speaker 2: gotten out of the ticket stop. I swear on everything
Speaker 2: I loved years ago. Yeah, it's stuff that all the time,
Speaker 2: but I've gotten to where I don't do it as
Speaker 2: much because people usually always have a very gut wrenching reaction,
Speaker 2: and sometimes I'm like, you really didn't sign up for this.
Speaker 2: So I've kind tried to lay off of that as
Speaker 2: much as I can, but sometimes it's just so much
Speaker 2: that I can't help it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm getting an idea for myself. Okay, I think
Speaker 1: I'm going to start going up to people in stores
Speaker 1: and just be like, I'm so sorry, this is so weird,
Speaker 1: but I'm a psychic and I just have to let
Speaker 1: you know that those pants do not go with your shirt.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I just had to. I had to
Speaker 1: tell you. I think I'm gonna start doing that.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I feel like when this is all
Speaker 2: said and done, you're gonna be seeing ghosts like the
Speaker 2: rest of us.
Speaker 1: I've said before, I'm the most psychic in this group.
Speaker 2: You really are.
Speaker 1: I'm so psychic. I have been right so many times
Speaker 1: on things, but I'm not a top to dead people
Speaker 1: kind of psychic you know people, Yes, I know the
Speaker 1: living pretty well. Like, really, what I think it is
Speaker 1: is collecting data. And you know, you could easily say
Speaker 1: it's very judgmental or something, but I'll be around a
Speaker 1: person sometimes takes longer than others, but I'll be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I can see that this is the kind of person
Speaker 1: that deals with this in that way, and yeah, this
Speaker 1: and that way, and they have this opinion about that.
Speaker 1: So then I'll be like, mmm, I have a feeling
Speaker 1: that this person's going to do this or that or what.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that it's necessarily psychic.
Speaker 1: I think it's like just collecting data and being really
Speaker 1: observant observant home style, Yeah, very much. I'm a detective.
Speaker 1: That's me as a paranormal investigator. I am a detective,
Speaker 1: that's right. So does it feel different when you like,
Speaker 1: how do you know that it's a ghost or like
Speaker 1: a deceased person or just a thought in your head?
Speaker 1: Or how do you know that that's a ghost that
Speaker 1: you see and not just a living person. Do you
Speaker 1: ever go and pope someone and be like does my
Speaker 1: finger go through them?
Speaker 2: There have been a couple of times in my life
Speaker 2: where I have felt that maybe like I was not
Speaker 2: I don't want to say going crazy, but there have
Speaker 2: been times where I've questioned if this was somebody who
Speaker 2: was real or somebody who is you know, a spirit
Speaker 2: and I feel like I just got colds for some reason?
Speaker 1: Who is that? Is that one of my people?
Speaker 2: I will tell you it's like there are so many
Speaker 2: times where I feel like I'm losing it, But I
Speaker 2: will tell you ghost hunting has been a really good
Speaker 2: thing for me because I'm able to sort of decipher
Speaker 2: and there are different timelines. You know, people talk about
Speaker 2: past lives, so there are so many things when you
Speaker 2: interact with spirits, like when we you know, some of
Speaker 2: these places that we went to were humongous and had
Speaker 2: tons and tons and tons of death, tragedy, et cetera.
Speaker 2: So it's like you have to sort of just trust
Speaker 2: that whatever's coming to you is coming to you for
Speaker 2: and I can feel it usually when I'm in places
Speaker 2: where I know it's something really really really not good.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm not fully ready for that.
Speaker 1: Do you put a wall up or something so that
Speaker 1: you don't see bad stuff? Or does it just all
Speaker 1: come in.
Speaker 2: This is what I tell people people who have hauntings
Speaker 2: or things that have been kind of attaching to them.
Speaker 2: They are in control. The living person is in control.
Speaker 2: It's so easy to let those thoughts sort of get
Speaker 2: into our heads and mess with us. So as long
Speaker 2: as I stay pretty solid. Now, I will say there
Speaker 2: are times when and I have my trusty little necklace
Speaker 2: that my grandma gave me, but sometimes I feel like
Speaker 2: it is a lot now in day to day life,
Speaker 2: going to the grocery store and stuff like that. I've
Speaker 2: gotten pretty good at shielding that, but sometimes you know
Speaker 2: it's too much, and you encounter all kinds of spirits, entities.
Speaker 2: There's all kinds of things that walk the earth if
Speaker 2: you believe in all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Something I meant to say at the beginning of the show,
Speaker 1: and please do not tell the others, but you are
Speaker 1: my favorite of the cows.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm gonna side text kid real quick
Speaker 2: and tell him you told me.
Speaker 1: Don't tell the others. I said that the first time
Speaker 1: I met you, you had told us all about Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about that? Because I don't get enough
Speaker 1: Bigfoot on this show.
Speaker 2: So we live near a cave system called Cumbling Caverns.
Speaker 2: It reaches all the way up to Canada. It's a
Speaker 2: humongous one of the world's largest cave systems. It's always
Speaker 2: been believed that there's a lot of Bigfoot stuff and
Speaker 2: there's a mountain here. My friend who is my guru,
Speaker 2: my spiritual mentor whatever. She lives literally she's the wood
Speaker 2: which lives in the middle of the woods. And she's
Speaker 2: always told us about her experiences with her furry friends.
Speaker 2: She calls them like I said, I'm a skeptic. I
Speaker 2: have to believe in stuff. But she's smart. This woman
Speaker 2: is just she's had all kinds of insane experiences. So
Speaker 2: she's like, I'm gonna show you. She was like, let's
Speaker 2: see if something will happen. She has a bluff behind
Speaker 2: her house. You kind of have to hide, but there's
Speaker 2: a bluff and it's just like literally a mountain, like
Speaker 2: wooden mountain. She was like, I'm going to clap and
Speaker 2: see if anything happens. And like we were up on
Speaker 2: the bluff and she just kind of did a little
Speaker 2: rhythmic clap. You know, nothing happened, and she said, wait,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it again. And she did another rhythmic clap,
Speaker 2: and I'm telling you, oh, I get chills all the
Speaker 2: way down. It sounded like somebody got a stick and
Speaker 2: was tapping on a tree the exact same rhythm. And
Speaker 2: I tried every way in the world to think about her.
Speaker 2: Did her son or her husband sneak and hide down
Speaker 2: the bluff to try to I mean, I was amazed.
Speaker 2: And it's not like there were houses downe there. This
Speaker 2: is the middle of the forest. I was flabbergasted.
Speaker 1: So they clap, and then the bigfoots are like, we
Speaker 1: live for the bluff.
Speaker 2: Clap back. And that was insane, insane, And that was
Speaker 2: only one experience I've had.
Speaker 1: Now, let me ask you this though, when she just
Speaker 1: calls them her furry friends. I've seen some documentaries about
Speaker 1: these people they call furries. Could it be a community
Speaker 1: in the woods of people that wear those mascot costumes
Speaker 1: and do what they do?
Speaker 2: You know, some wild stuff does go on in the South.
Speaker 1: It's very possible that that's who was out there. Can
Speaker 1: you imagine some furries with a stick and they you know,
Speaker 1: it could be all right? Next story, Next story.
Speaker 2: We were walking. This is me and my friend and
Speaker 2: we were walking through the forest and then I kind
Speaker 2: of went by myself a little bit further and it's dark.
Speaker 2: I'm out, it's moonlit, beautiful, starry night, and we're kind
Speaker 2: of walking and I look out think my friend stops
Speaker 2: from me, and I kind of look up and it
Speaker 2: was much taller. It was just kind of a black figure,
Speaker 2: and it was much taller than me. But I wasn't afraid.
Speaker 2: That's what made me feel so strange. I was very calm.
Speaker 2: It was almost like letting me know I was okay.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you. It was the weirdest experience of my life.
Speaker 2: This is probably the weirdest experience. And I just kind
Speaker 2: of sort of backed up. I didn't say anything, and
Speaker 2: I turned around and see my friend and I just
Speaker 2: walked back to the house. I didn't look back. Sometime
Speaker 2: told me not to look back, and I just kept
Speaker 2: walking to the house.
Speaker 1: But your friend didn't see it. No, But okay, So,
Speaker 1: was it like a living breathing mammal or like some
Speaker 1: kind of.
Speaker 2: It seemed like a living breathing mammal. It didn't seem
Speaker 2: like a ghost or an apparition. It was it felt
Speaker 2: like an animal. I could feel it breathing, I could
Speaker 2: hear it breathing. I'm telling you, it was the wildest
Speaker 2: experience of my whole life.
Speaker 1: But you didn't feel in danger.
Speaker 2: No, I felt told. And that's another thing that was
Speaker 2: kind of strange, because I knew it wasn't a person.
Speaker 2: It was just a tall figure, and I felt really
Speaker 2: calm and relaxed. It was almost, I don't want to
Speaker 2: say hypnotized, but I felt sort of in a little
Speaker 2: bit of a fog. It was today the weirdest thing
Speaker 2: I've ever been there. Cool, Yeah, it was cool.
Speaker 1: Okay, going back to psychic stuff. Please what and maybe
Speaker 1: don't answer this, but why do my dead people not
Speaker 1: want anything to do with me? These people have died
Speaker 1: and they have never looked back. I've been to so
Speaker 1: many mediums. These bitches don't want to talk to me.
Speaker 1: They said, bye, leave us alone, don't involve other people.
Speaker 1: We're done.
Speaker 2: We have this ongoing thing you and I where I
Speaker 2: am so scared to give you a reading just because
Speaker 2: you intimidate that. I was like the first time we met,
Speaker 2: we had a little bit of a spiritual moment, and
Speaker 2: then once I realized what a bad bitch you were
Speaker 2: and you weren't taking no shit. It scared me. I
Speaker 2: had to set night personally. I can't speak for any
Speaker 2: other sack you go on this planet, but for me,
Speaker 2: you're the queen, and I bowed down. But it'd be
Speaker 2: like Beyonce saying, can you connect me with my angels?
Speaker 2: I say, I really can't. I'm just very intimidate to
Speaker 2: buy your beauty. That's I could never be like a
Speaker 2: quote unquote celebrity psychic. Just people who are very confident
Speaker 2: and cheer themselves. You're just you're, like I said, you're
Speaker 2: a star. People here have your fan clothes even in Tennessee,
Speaker 2: so it's a big deal.
Speaker 1: But stars want to talk to our dead loved ones too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: I've tried to read you two or three times and
Speaker 2: it's just never worked.
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of psychics are so convinced
Speaker 1: that I am like a non believer, which is different
Speaker 1: than a skeptic. I am a believer. I want to
Speaker 1: be able to say I went to a psychic and
Speaker 1: they got me. Good girl.
Speaker 2: Knowing you, I know that's the one hundred percent the truth.
Speaker 1: And that's another thing I'll say. I was just at
Speaker 1: a party this weekend and somebody asked me a question
Speaker 1: that I get asked constantly, and I'm just going to
Speaker 1: say this on the podcast for people to hear. They
Speaker 1: asked me, do you know a good psychic to recommend?
Speaker 1: And this is my personal belief on this. I don't
Speaker 1: believe in that because I have sent people to psychics
Speaker 1: that were pretty good for me and bombed that day.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 1: I do think that some psychics have a stronger connection
Speaker 1: with other people, and so I don't really know the
Speaker 1: answer for how to find a good psychic. I don't know,
Speaker 1: save up your money and try a bunch of different ones.
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure. But I mean, I've also been
Speaker 1: to psychics that have been so good once and bad
Speaker 1: the next time. Like, I just don't like to put
Speaker 1: that power into a psychic and that expectation. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's fair to the psychic either, that they're going
Speaker 1: to be good. Because they were good for my friend,
Speaker 1: they're going to be good for me.
Speaker 2: I will tell you that it's very like it should
Speaker 2: be a natural thing. It should be kind of a
Speaker 2: discovery thing you discovered on your own. A lot of people,
Speaker 2: most people who come to me, have never had a
Speaker 2: reading in their life, whether there are an older person
Speaker 2: a younger person, it's always a lot of new people.
Speaker 2: But I've learned that with being a psychic and reading,
Speaker 2: I have, like I said, released the expectations of myself
Speaker 2: because the people who you read you're supposed to read.
Speaker 2: You know, the people who you connect with you're supposed
Speaker 2: to and so if there's not a message for that person,
Speaker 2: it's just not supposed to happen with that person. And
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of times it doesn't click. Anytime
Speaker 2: that doesn't happen, and I'd like to brag it doesn't
Speaker 2: happen often, But when it doesn't click, I know it's
Speaker 2: for a reason. You know. I don't beat myself up
Speaker 2: and they go, I'm the worst psychic in the world.
Speaker 2: I know it's for a reason because I know the
Speaker 2: experiences I've had, I know the impact I've made, and
Speaker 2: so I sit really still with that.
Speaker 1: How are you with like future prediction or like that
Speaker 1: kind of a thing, because I know you're really good
Speaker 1: with talking to loved ones. Do you do other psychic
Speaker 1: things like that?
Speaker 2: I don't like to do like love or money or
Speaker 2: stuff like that. I feel too responsible. I'm like I'm
Speaker 2: not telling you about your husband cheating on you with
Speaker 2: his secretary. I'm not getting into all that. That's your business.
Speaker 1: That's what I want I get into.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm my god.
Speaker 1: I want to get into people's dramas.
Speaker 2: I'm good at like babies, Oh my god, I'm really
Speaker 2: good at calling pregnancies before they have engenders. I'm really
Speaker 2: good at that. I know that's random, but like, and
Speaker 2: I'll tell people, I don't do predictions because I don't plan.
Speaker 2: I just keep it really in the spiritual. Most people
Speaker 2: who come to me know that it's talking to the
Speaker 2: dead people things, so that's what they're wanting. But I'm
Speaker 2: really good at predicting babies and trips, a lot of
Speaker 2: random trips and to like specific places that they weren't
Speaker 2: planning on. And it's so funny. My favorite thing. Like
Speaker 2: I said, this doesn't happen a lot, but if there's
Speaker 2: ever a time where something just isn't clicking and I
Speaker 2: feel it, I'm like, I cannot let this go. Inevitably,
Speaker 2: every time my assistant will get a text, I'll get
Speaker 2: an email in the middle of the night, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: it was X, Y and zat this that and the other.
Speaker 2: And it's uh, Like I said, I trust the process
Speaker 2: because I am a skeptic, and I if I wasn't
Speaker 2: amazed by myself during this process and just what spirit
Speaker 2: it kind of brings through me, I wouldn't keep doing it.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, I fucking suck. I'm out of here.
Speaker 2: You know, I'd retire from this business. But it's happening
Speaker 2: for a reason.
Speaker 1: Can you pick up on anything with me at this
Speaker 1: very moment?
Speaker 2: I love you so much.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, we're on zoom right now. Can can you tell
Speaker 1: if I'm wearing pants?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think I think you're in some great galchows,
Speaker 2: some capris, some really good bloem. Wait, I actually am
Speaker 2: getting something. Don't distract me. I don't want to put
Speaker 2: too much pressure on it. You don't make me nervous. Okay,
Speaker 2: I feel that a female energy. This is somebody who
Speaker 2: is younger. This is not a family member. Mm hm
Speaker 2: hm are you now Raws. I don't know about this.
Speaker 2: This is I really don't know your business like this?
Speaker 2: Are you dating anybody? Are you have you found an interest?
Speaker 1: I would like to say publicly no, I am available.
Speaker 1: Ghosted by raz at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: This is a person who was in your life and
Speaker 2: really made you laugh a lot. But I feel like
Speaker 2: she's telling me that you hm. I do see a man.
Speaker 2: I see a man, a big, strong man. But this
Speaker 2: woman also did you wreck her car? Or was there
Speaker 2: something about I know that sounds really weird, but was
Speaker 2: there a fenderbender or something with her car?
Speaker 1: With a woman?
Speaker 2: With a woman? I don't know. It's like a younger
Speaker 2: woman who passed many years before. I think she should
Speaker 2: have But I feel like you were always bumping into
Speaker 2: people's cars. I don't know, something about fender benders and
Speaker 2: doing a lot of weird driving. They're telling me, do
Speaker 2: you not like to drive?
Speaker 1: Or do you I hate driving?
Speaker 2: Okay, you may have told me that, but I feel
Speaker 2: like you need to drive more. They're telling me a
Speaker 2: or you need to sort of conquer. Was there something
Speaker 2: with this woman in a car and something about like
Speaker 2: you always being on the move or did you talk
Speaker 2: to her a lot in your commute on the phone
Speaker 2: when you were in your car, Because I see you
Speaker 2: sort of.
Speaker 1: Who is she I talk on the phone and drive
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Did you lose a woman that was
Speaker 2: younger to you? Her name somebody with a K name Katrina,
Speaker 2: maybe even Okay, so wait, hold on, I gotta go
Speaker 2: back to two thousand and okay, two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2: I'm seeing like a lot of uh, a lot of
Speaker 2: movement around you. This feels like a woman who was
Speaker 2: good to you at a time where you were sort
Speaker 2: of I don't know you said you moved. You told
Speaker 2: me once you moved to La like seventeen right, yes,
Speaker 2: so it may have been somebody who sort of guided you,
Speaker 2: mentored you. I want to say this about you. This
Speaker 2: is just aside from a reading. You're very upfront about
Speaker 2: being skeptical. You're very upfront about that. But I have
Speaker 2: never in my time knowing you, and I've traveled the
Speaker 2: country with you, you have always been supportive and we've
Speaker 2: been in some weird situations together, but you've always been
Speaker 2: open to the experience. You've never just shut it down
Speaker 2: because you didn't understand. You've always researched and got to
Speaker 2: the bottom of it, and it just it is really refreshing.
Speaker 2: I personally love a skeptic. You're not just taking everything
Speaker 2: for what it is. People do. People will take advantage
Speaker 2: of psychics, and Mike let them be a crutch. People
Speaker 2: will just listen to psychic advice, right, and it's like
Speaker 2: you are able to use your judgments keep an open
Speaker 2: mind about it. And I really do appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I like for a psychic when it
Speaker 1: comes to paranormal investigating, is like, let's listen to the
Speaker 1: psychics feeling and where it's leading us, and then let's
Speaker 1: get a second opinion. Let's see what else we can
Speaker 1: get to confirm that.
Speaker 2: Yes, I love a fact check and that's why I
Speaker 2: appreciated it so much because it was like, don't take
Speaker 2: my word for it one hundred percent of the time
Speaker 2: time I could be wrong. Get some facts to back
Speaker 2: up what we're saying. Because we are vessels. We are tools.
Speaker 2: You know, we're a human ghost box. But we're not
Speaker 2: right one hundred percent of the time, like you said,
Speaker 2: And you're never going to catch me saying that.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's gonna be my merch We are tools. Okay,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, this lady in two thousand and seven, Wait,
Speaker 1: when did she die?
Speaker 2: She didn't die in two thousand and seven. She died
Speaker 2: like maybe twenty thirteen more recently. But this was somebody
Speaker 2: who mentored you and was just kind of there for
Speaker 2: you at the start of your career. Did you smoke cigarettes? Hell? Yeah,
Speaker 2: she smokes cigarettes too kill. She's having me sort of
Speaker 2: close out in my throat a little bit. Who is she?
Speaker 1: Come on, lady, show yourself.
Speaker 2: Are you Catholic?
Speaker 1: I was raised.
Speaker 2: Yes, I heard Rosemary, but then I heard Mary and
Speaker 2: I sort of went like this, and then they showed
Speaker 2: me a little beat. So I don't know if this
Speaker 2: person was Kathleen. I'm telling you, are you planning it?
Speaker 2: I saw you just got back from Europe, which I
Speaker 2: hope that was fun it was. Are you planning any
Speaker 2: other trips abroad?
Speaker 1: I'm going to Mexico next month.
Speaker 2: I like the tropical vibe for you. That's good. That
Speaker 2: might be where you meet your hub a.
Speaker 1: Big strong man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that for you.
Speaker 1: But until then ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: That's fine.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you for that reading. I'll put it all together.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about this TV show Living for the
Speaker 1: Jat great name. Thank you. I do like the name
Speaker 1: lot So this show, God, there's like so much to
Speaker 1: talk about now. At the time of this recording, we've
Speaker 1: only seen one episode. Actually, tomorrow you and I are
Speaker 1: going to see two more episodes, so it's hard to
Speaker 1: sort of recap like what people may have seen or whatever.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure later on down the road we'll have
Speaker 1: to talk more in depth about each episode, But generally speaking,
Speaker 1: what was the scariest place that you went?
Speaker 2: Oh, my god, Bisbee, Arizona was so crazy. That was
Speaker 2: the craziest part of the whole trip.
Speaker 1: For me, absolutely, And that's one hundred percent what I
Speaker 1: think for myself, and I know others in the group
Speaker 1: said that as well. Why would you say that the
Speaker 1: Copper Queen Hotel that was where.
Speaker 2: The most unexplained stuff happened. There was some crazy things
Speaker 2: that were just mysterious, and the town itself was so
Speaker 2: sort of cool and creepy and had a kneed by,
Speaker 2: But the hotel was you just felt the real darkness there.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it was just by far the weirdest
Speaker 2: part of the trip, the most dark. I feel like
Speaker 2: I had the most interactions with spirits that were mind
Speaker 2: blowing to me, Like I felt the most mentally affected
Speaker 2: there by the energy we were so.
Speaker 1: Immersed in it. Oh god, that was a crazy thing,
Speaker 1: because it's a big tall hotel and I don't know
Speaker 1: how many rooms, but probably over one hundred, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it was just us and our crew and nobody
Speaker 1: else in this building and from the time you wake
Speaker 1: up to the time you go to bed, just non stop.
Speaker 1: You know, you shower in it, you do your makeup
Speaker 1: in it, like everything. And I do think that that's
Speaker 1: a very powerful way to do an investigation, is to
Speaker 1: really spend time and immerse yourself. And I often say,
Speaker 1: because I'm in an interesting position because I've interviewed so
Speaker 1: many people that have done these kinds of shows before,
Speaker 1: Like now I've done one, so it's a little different
Speaker 1: for me now. But you know, I've always said with
Speaker 1: like these TV shows, like how can you go in
Speaker 1: for like two days and sometimes things aren't gonna happen,
Speaker 1: Like ghosts aren't just gonna perform on command and when
Speaker 1: you're there twenty four to seven, and that place was
Speaker 1: so haunted that it was just NonStop and things were
Speaker 1: happening when people were sleeping. And I will constantly keep
Speaker 1: saying this as I talk about this TV show. People
Speaker 1: have to keep in mind, like the cameras don't see everything,
Speaker 1: but we're still in a haunted place. You're like putting
Speaker 1: on your underwear and you hear like a weird sound
Speaker 1: in the room, like obviously there's no cameras around, but
Speaker 1: it's like it just never stopped.
Speaker 2: I had to get used to just as I fell
Speaker 2: asleep at night, I would hear screams, like literally in
Speaker 2: my ear, just like gut wrenching screams all night long
Speaker 2: that I knew were just I don't know if it
Speaker 2: was a spirit, I don't know what it was a
Speaker 2: memory that was me.
Speaker 1: I did not sleep the entire time I was there. No,
Speaker 1: you did not, And like that's another thing that would
Speaker 1: happen at that place. There's no cameras in the hallways
Speaker 1: or anything. So it's like, and I don't think that
Speaker 1: this really makes an interesting paranormal show to be like
Speaker 1: I just felt something, but walking up the stairs multiple
Speaker 1: times I would like hear and feel somebody right behind
Speaker 1: me following me up the stairs, and that would just
Speaker 1: be like to go down and get some breakfast. No,
Speaker 1: oh god, it was a very very stressful time for me.
Speaker 1: It was very emotionally hard.
Speaker 2: I won't agree with you. Before I did this, I've
Speaker 2: ghost tied before. But I've never stayed the night in
Speaker 2: a place or multiple nights at that and it is
Speaker 2: important because you do get the full experience. But my god,
Speaker 2: it is so draining. By the time that was over,
Speaker 2: I was wore out. I was so Yeah, that was
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 1: Well you also not at that location, but a couple
Speaker 1: of locations. Honey, those ghosts got up inside of you.
Speaker 2: Can you talk about that, so, I will be honest,
Speaker 2: that is the first time that's ever happened in that way.
Speaker 2: I've dealt with some sort of spirit attachments in the past.
Speaker 2: But what's funny is the first time it happened to
Speaker 2: me on the show, I was so sort of embarrassed,
Speaker 2: and I remember going up to the executives and just
Speaker 2: being like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm embarrassed because I
Speaker 2: didn't want to. I literally got overwhelmed with the spirits
Speaker 2: and just they sort of came inside me.
Speaker 1: Let me stop, no death stop. So the ghost came
Speaker 1: inside of you.
Speaker 2: It was something that I didn't have control over. Like
Speaker 2: you said, it happened a couple of times, and those
Speaker 2: were moments where I felt, at least the first time
Speaker 2: where I felt sort of scared and out of control,
Speaker 2: like it was almost more than I had bargained for.
Speaker 1: Well, we were in Las Vegas at a famous strip
Speaker 1: club called the Palomino, which honestly might have been my
Speaker 1: favorite location, but this moment was intense. I'm sitting here
Speaker 1: minding my own business. I think I was in the
Speaker 1: middle of a conversation with a ghost. I was getting
Speaker 1: somewhere with them, and then all of a sudden, you
Speaker 1: and Juju blast through the room and it was not you.
Speaker 1: You were fully would you say possessed?
Speaker 2: I would say that, as much as I hate to
Speaker 2: say that, and I'm always like, oh God, to me
Speaker 2: and my Southern Christian upbringing, that word is so like
Speaker 2: scary and intense, but that's what it was, you know.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, saying that back is hard, you know,
Speaker 2: gonna be hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was crazy. That's the first time I had
Speaker 1: ever witnessed somebody possessed. My favorite thing as a fan
Speaker 1: of movies where people get possessed is they do this
Speaker 1: thing where they're like they're being all possessed and then
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, the demon like lets
Speaker 1: you see the real person again, where they're like, mommy,
Speaker 1: please get me up to hear and then the mom
Speaker 1: starts to fall for it. Then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the little girl goes just kidding bitch, like that is
Speaker 1: my favorite part. And I feel like I was kind
Speaker 1: of getting like little moments of you being you, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, I'm like, oh fuck, like
Speaker 1: it's not him. Like it kept coming and going and
Speaker 1: it was a real roller coaster. And also it was
Speaker 1: like we had a we had a dinner reservation that
Speaker 1: we needed to catch and it's like we got to
Speaker 1: get this demon out of here because this is Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: Time is money. Let's go get get out. And the
Speaker 1: demon would not get out, and we're like, come on,
Speaker 1: wrap it up.
Speaker 2: It was a moment where I felt out of control,
Speaker 2: but it happens in this line of work and people
Speaker 2: need to know that also, Like I want to just
Speaker 2: say this ghost turning or doing anything like this, it's
Speaker 2: really not to be taken lightly. I've done this business
Speaker 2: professionally for ten years. I've seen a lot, I've experienced
Speaker 2: a lot. So even though it took me a little
Speaker 2: off guard, I was, you know, at least somewhat, and
Speaker 2: I had my team you guys to back me up.
Speaker 2: But I think messing around with ghosty stuff casually it
Speaker 2: can be sort of dangerous. I just wanted to throw
Speaker 2: that out there.
Speaker 1: I will say on record, I've got my strengths. I've
Speaker 1: got my weaknesses. When you're possessed, I ain't helping, no,
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: I was not.
Speaker 1: I was not much help there. I was like, this
Speaker 1: is for Juju to deal with Ken. You know, Ken's
Speaker 1: got some saints on a bracelet somewhere or something. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna sit back here, and I think I was hungry,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm not getting involved. I don't
Speaker 1: want the demon flying over here. I'm good.
Speaker 2: I can't even remember, but I'm sure you were in
Speaker 2: the corner somewhere, like looking doe eyed and scared, like
Speaker 2: what the fuck is going on right now?
Speaker 1: Well, yes, and I remember there was a moment where
Speaker 1: Ken and Juju were doing this kind of motion where
Speaker 1: they were like taking it out of you. They were
Speaker 1: like taking their hand sort of pulling it and throwing
Speaker 1: it by behind them, and I happened to be behind them,
Speaker 1: and so I kept moving in every direction. I'm like,
Speaker 1: don't throw that at me. I don't want that dodging
Speaker 1: the spirit being. Literally, I was like karate chopping in
Speaker 1: every direction. I was like the matrix. Yes, what is
Speaker 1: your favorite memory of me while doing the show was
Speaker 1: in many moments.
Speaker 2: I love getting the vintage shop with you in Vegas.
Speaker 2: Oh that was fun, you and your crocs in your
Speaker 2: big hats.
Speaker 1: We did go vintage shopping in Vegas, which is one
Speaker 1: of my favorite places to go. Antique in vented shopping.
Speaker 2: That was fun, you know it was.
Speaker 1: What was really nice was when we first got together.
Speaker 1: We were all like, let's share things about us. Let's
Speaker 1: just like tell each other stuff about us. I think
Speaker 1: that was really nice. That was one of my favorite moments,
Speaker 1: just like getting to know each other more.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, when we stopped at that gas station fifty
Speaker 2: one or whatever, that was.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we stopped at the Alien cat House brothel,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was great. Well, we went to
Speaker 1: like the convenience store next to it and got snacks.
Speaker 1: That was fun.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It was just great being with a
Speaker 2: team of people who were not only good at what
Speaker 2: they did, but we all really were able to become
Speaker 2: a family and become close. Even on our worst days,
Speaker 2: we always have the best for each other. And I
Speaker 2: think that's something beautiful that came out of it. Not
Speaker 2: only you know, ghost on and helping people, but getting
Speaker 2: to do it with each other has been a lot
Speaker 2: of fun.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a very unique bond that you create with
Speaker 1: somebody when not only are you going to be on
Speaker 1: a TV show that the world is going to see
Speaker 1: and I mean in some ways a kind of controversial
Speaker 1: content or whatever, and have to deal with how scary
Speaker 1: that can be. But we also spent all all day
Speaker 1: and night together with demon's crawling behind us. And it's
Speaker 1: crazy how you can bond with somebody like that. That's
Speaker 1: kind of for a lifetime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who else can relate to it? You know, it's
Speaker 2: like you're in this together whether you lack it or not.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can I play you some ghost voices?
Speaker 2: I would love you too.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's time for EVP or ev pase Okay, so
Speaker 1: logan what I do. And some of the people in mcmhville,
Speaker 1: Tennessee might know this. I go to YouTube, TikTok or wherever,
Speaker 1: and I find EVPs Electronic Voice Phenomenon and I'm going
Speaker 1: to play two of them for you, and I want
Speaker 1: you to tell me what you hear, and then I'm
Speaker 1: going to give you a couple of choices. The correct
Speaker 1: answer is going to be what the ghost hunter that
Speaker 1: posted it believes it said. Okay, the first one was
Speaker 1: posted by Quinn Doer on YouTube. Okay, and it is
Speaker 1: at a place I don't even know if you remember this.
Speaker 1: We made a very brief stop in Tombstone, Arizona. We
Speaker 1: did not do that on the show. We did that
Speaker 1: on our way to Bisbee. We stopped there just to
Speaker 1: check it out because it's a famous haunted little town.
Speaker 1: And this is at one of the real famous, well
Speaker 1: known haunted haunts of Tombstone, called the bird Cage Theater. Okay,
Speaker 1: we didn't like go in it in it, but I
Speaker 1: did buy a magnet that sits on my fridge currently,
Speaker 1: so I know I've been there, and I assume you
Speaker 1: were with me. So what is this ghost saying at
Speaker 1: the bird Cage Theater? Okay, you can kind of hear
Speaker 1: a human talkue noan no no in the back, But
Speaker 1: that's not it. That's the deeper.
Speaker 2: Like that one more time. Don't touch the pipe. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: Don't touch the pipe. Oh, I can hear that. Don't
Speaker 1: touch the pipe. What does that mean?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Okay, that is not what Quinn Doer believes it said.
Speaker 2: Let me hear it reveal it? Is it A?
Speaker 1: Don't tell my wife? How many times have I heard that?
Speaker 2: Is it B?
Speaker 1: Don't touch the lights? Is it C enjoy the ride
Speaker 1: or D? You're not my type? Damn?
Speaker 2: A is my answer?
Speaker 1: Don't tell my wife?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, don't touch the lie. It sounds very much.
Speaker 2: I don't touch the lie.
Speaker 1: That's what they believe it is. Don't touch the lights.
Speaker 2: That is freak ola, that's creepy.
Speaker 1: Okay. This next one is from Mystique Paranormal on YouTube,
Speaker 1: and it's at a private residence in mcmon County, Tennessee.
Speaker 2: You're lying, is that yours?
Speaker 1: Is that the same as mcmahville?
Speaker 2: No? Did you do that on purpose? Now?
Speaker 1: It's just a d all random.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, amazing.
Speaker 1: I guess it was psychic. Okay, what is this ghost
Speaker 1: in McMahon County at a private residence?
Speaker 2: Saying? Now that one, I'm gonna have to hear a
Speaker 2: few more times.
Speaker 1: Okay, it does cost five dollars each.
Speaker 2: Time, now, Ben Willa.
Speaker 1: It's actually kind of a similar cadence to the last one.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: Not an he guesses.
Speaker 2: No, no guesses, and I will guess once I hear
Speaker 2: my joint says.
Speaker 1: Okay, is it A? I'll go fart? Damn, I don't
Speaker 1: come up with these. Yes, I do. Is it? B?
Speaker 1: You're almost smart? Damn? That's shape right there?
Speaker 2: Is it? C?
Speaker 1: All goes hot? I don't know what that means or
Speaker 1: D all ghosts?
Speaker 2: Fuck? Oh my god, I meant something about hot. Did
Speaker 2: we say something about hot?
Speaker 1: Yes, all goes hot.
Speaker 2: Hot?
Speaker 1: I hear all ghosts. Fuck. I'm sorry and I and
Speaker 1: I and I appreciate the ghosts letting people know. Yes,
Speaker 1: it is all ghosts hot. And they did say that
Speaker 1: the temperature started to get warmer in the room when
Speaker 1: the ghosts said that. And I again, could be the
Speaker 1: ghost being like, let's get hot.
Speaker 2: Could have been hot locks in that with a fart too.
Speaker 1: Hey, Logan, I think that's pretty much it. Is there
Speaker 1: anything that you want people to know about with the
Speaker 1: TV show? Anything that we didn't cover. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: so much we didn't cover. We spent nine weeks or
Speaker 1: something like that together.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we've been here all day. I'm just I
Speaker 2: miss you already.
Speaker 1: Oh logan. Okay, well, then I guess we won't talk
Speaker 1: any more about it. Where do you want people to
Speaker 1: find yet?
Speaker 2: They can go to my website at intuitive logan dot com,
Speaker 2: or they can find me on Instagram at intuitive Logan.
Speaker 1: Are you open for readings, I'm getting readings.
Speaker 2: I'm booking the second part of next year.
Speaker 1: Now, people better get in there. The prices are going
Speaker 1: to go up. I got a feeling.
Speaker 2: No, that's funny.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm going to do is because you
Speaker 1: do them over zoom.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Mostly, I am going to do some of my character
Speaker 1: work and I am going to put on some silly
Speaker 1: glasses and a wig, and I'm going to pretend i'm
Speaker 1: somebody else and see if my spirits come through, because
Speaker 1: then you won't think it's me.
Speaker 2: That's a probably a good tactic. I'll be waiting, okay,
Speaker 2: or I won't know it too. I won't be waiting. Actually,
Speaker 2: it'll be complete surprise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the lady from the Fender Bender in
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven is going to be like, it's me, bitch,
Speaker 1: it's me okay, hey, thanks for talking.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. This is so fun. Now
Speaker 2: I see why everybody's obsessed with the show. Oh you,
Speaker 2: I know, I know you could just eat me up,
Speaker 2: cut your rassow.
Speaker 1: Okay, bye bye, Thank you so much to Logan Taylor again.
Speaker 1: Make sure you're streaming and the TV show called Living
Speaker 1: for the Dead, which comes out October eighteenth on Hulu,
Speaker 1: all eight episodes dropping at the same time. Now let
Speaker 1: me see here, let me do the math. We've already
Speaker 1: had Juju, we've had Alex, We've had Logan. That leaves
Speaker 1: one more person, Ken Boggle. Ken Boggle will be joining
Speaker 1: me next week. Ken is a paranormal investigator but also
Speaker 1: somebody with psychic abilities and an incredible tarot reader, and
Speaker 1: he uses Taro in his paranormal investigations in such a
Speaker 1: powerful way. So we'll get into all that next week
Speaker 1: with Ken. I love you all, both living and dead.
Speaker 1: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't
Speaker 1: haunt me came by. This has been an exactly right production.
Speaker 1: Want to share your paranormal experience on the podcast. I
Speaker 1: read stories out loud and sometime I'll even call you.
Speaker 1: So email me at ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: You can send a DM or voice message to the
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Speaker 1: My senior producer is the Startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer
Speaker 1: is the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and
Speaker 1: sound designed by the Eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker
Speaker 1: is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner. Additional production support from the
Speaker 1: hair raising Hannah Kyle Crichton. My theme music is by
Speaker 1: the spine Chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky
Speaker 1: Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the Terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced
Speaker 1: by the Chilling Karen Kilgareth, the Spookky Georgia Hard Start,
Speaker 1: and the Frightening Danielle Kramer.