WEBVTT - The Truth with Lisa Boothe: Court Cases & Caucusing with Matt Whitaker 0:00:00.000 --> 0:00:02.040 There's been a lot of legal news this week, with 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:05.480 Donald Trump in DC to attend an appeals court hearing 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:08.760 over the scope of his presidential immunity as he faces 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:12.479 continued prosecution from Jack Smith. You've also got Hutter Biden 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:15.200 making his first court appearance a connection to his criminal 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:18.200 tax case. Of course, he was charged with nine counts 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.439 in December. So we're going to dig into some of 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:24.960 those issues and how does that impact the twenty twenty 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:27.040 four election when you look at the stuff that Hunter 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:29.960 Biden is being charged with, as well as what the 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:32.479 left is trying to do to Donald Trump. So in 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.239 this case, we're going to turn to Matt Whittaker for 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:37.839 his take on all of this. He of course was 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:42.159 the acting United States Attorney General under President Trump. He's 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:44.720 also an Iowan, so we're going to get his take 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:47.800 as someone who was born in Iowa, who attended the 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:50.880 University of Iowa. He was a tight end for the Hawkeyes. 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.239 He also served as a United States Attorney for the 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:55.320 Southern District of Iowa. So we're going to get his 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:58.840 take on all these legal issues from this past week 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:01.720 and also get into a little bit of presidential politics 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.840 as someone who's there in the state of Iowa, and 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:08.720 you will be out, you know, caucusing on January fifteenth. 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:16.440 Stay tuned for Matt Whitaker. Well, Matt, it's great to 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.240 have you back on. You've been in Iowa. Give us 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:21.800 the temperature, you know what, we'll freezing, I'm sure, but 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:25.480 you know, tell us what you're hearing from voters and 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:26.959 caucus goers there. 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.800 It's interesting. I mean, you know, obviously the circus comes 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:35.560 to town every four years, and Iowans are a very 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:39.360 politically savvy group, especially at the base of the base 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.720 that turns out for the Iowa Caucuses, and so there's enthusiasm. 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.760 I feel like it's going to probably be similar to 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.040 twenty sixteen, you know, but there's just not as many 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:53.640 candidates and you know, and so all things being equal, 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.560 I think we're going to have a good caucus, a 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.840 good turn out. It's not going to be probably record breaking. 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:05.680 And these candidates, you know, President Trump and the vat 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:09.400 Roma Swami and Governor DeSantis and Nikki Haley have all 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:13.040 spent a lot of time there. And you know the 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.200 famous thing I like to tell my friends from out 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:17.400 of the state, you know, Iowa call us go typically 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:19.799 when you ask them who they're supporting to say, or 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:21.600 if you ask them about a particular candidate, So I 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:23.800 really don't know. I've only met that person three times. 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.760 So I mean, they're very you know, they're they're connoisseurs. 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:29.600 They show up, they want to ask their questions, they 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:33.040 want to meet these people, and so I would expect, 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:38.520 you know, a very discerning judgment here on on Monday. 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:41.240 Do you think, you know, looking at what the polls 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:44.639 have been indicating and then being on the ground, do. 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:46.720 You think that's what we're going to see? Will there 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:47.640 be any surprises? 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:50.320 I don't think there's any surprises. There's two things I'm watching, 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:53.480 and you know, full disclosure, I've endorsed President Trump, who 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:55.480 I worked for and as the zach Entary General, so 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:58.640 I know it well. But the things I'm watching is, 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:02.240 you know, does President Trump get fifty percent of total 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:05.120 of the total vote? And then you know, the record 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:08.200 in nineteen eighty eight was set in a competitive caucus 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:11.960 by the margin of victory of twelve points, and so 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.880 I would you know that I would see if if 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:17.040 President Trump can win by more than twelve that would 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:21.639 be unprecedented record. You know, the highest percent was in 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:25.320 two thousand, George W. Bush got forty one percent, a 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.640 little over forty one percent. So those are the two 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:30.480 numbers that I'm kind of tracking. I don't believe the 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:33.280 polls were President Trump is not going to win by 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.400 thirty plus points. If he does, I would say the 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:39.920 contest is pretty close to over nationally because that would 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.320 be just a blowout victory. But you know, I think 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:46.120 I think those you know, smart people that are paying 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:49.520 attention think that President Trump probably gonna win by fifteen 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:54.160 plus points, which again would be a record in Iowa 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:55.120 caucus history. 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.440 Well, you know, I'm sure he's trying to get as 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:59.520 high as he can to try to then you know, 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:01.440 push some of these other guys out of the race 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.000 and cleared the field I wanted to. You know, obviously, 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:07.800 he was off the campaign trail in d C. To 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:12.240 attend an appeals court hearing about presidential immunity from this 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.080 prosecution he's facing from Jack Smith. 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.320 Where do you think that case is going? And does 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.000 he have a case for presidential immunity? 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.000 Yeah, a couple of things. You think about what he 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.120 did in twenty four hours. See, he went to the 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:26.360 appeals argument. He flew to Iowa, did the town hall 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:33.960 with Marcia and and Brett and then and then and 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:38.120 then went back to the final closing arguments for his 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.520 fraud trial in New York. And then you know, in 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:43.920 the meantime, you know, he's obviously his mother in law 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:47.160 has passed away, and so he's dealing with that. You know, he's, 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:51.560 he's he's just tireless. You know. The presidential community case 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:53.480 is very interesting, and you know, I've heard a lot 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:59.280 of legal commentary, you know, across the spectrum, and I 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.760 think I think there is a belief that certainly there 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:07.640 is a limit to presidential immunity. And the question is, 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:13.159 are these allegations in Jacksmith's case within the limit, you know, 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.960 that the outer bounds of those limits, because you know, 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:19.520 the media love to talk about this, you know, hypothetical 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:21.760 about you know, if the Seal Team six was ordered 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:24.480 to go murder of political opponent, I think everybody, all 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.599 Americans would create us probably outside of the bounds of 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.880 presidential immunity. And so you know, but the question is 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.120 where are those bounds? And I don't think there's a 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:34.800 good case law on that right now. And you know, 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:36.720 every you know, at least I think I don't know 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:38.440 if we've talked about it before, but I you know, 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:42.400 I certainly believe in all these President Trump's cases, these 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:46.640 are all novel legal theories, right, They're all there's no 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:49.400 case law on this. It's never been seen before, it's 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:53.279 never been tried by prosecutors. You know what. I was 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:55.760 a prosecutor here at Des Moines, Iowa for five and 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.360 a half years. You know, the cases we would bring 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.360 were within fact patterns, and we had case law and 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:05.360 the well worn road of prosecutions. And in Jack Smith cases, 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:09.040 he's trying novel legal theories. And uh, you know, Fanny 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:13.360 Willis down in Fulden Counties trying novel legal theories. Alvin 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:17.360 Bragg in Manhattan novel legal theories, and Letitia James has 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:19.520 never brought a case under this code section in New 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.240 York history. And so all of these things are sort 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.279 of you know, first impression. And it's hard, you know, 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:27.680 for somebody like me that you know, is kind of 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:31.360 a basic blocking and tackling lawyer, you know, main street 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:35.719 kind of prosecutor to to to figure out exactly what's 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:37.280 going on or how he's going to turn out, because 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.159 it's to some extent. It's going to depend on the judges, 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:43.800 uh and how how they ultimately judge these cases and 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:45.279 what the evidence shows. 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:47.360 I mean, we know they're going to you know, keep 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.120 them pretty tied up in the court over the next 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.600 few months. Is that their strategy is to keep them 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:56.400 off the campaign field. And then also, you know, how 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.920 will that impact us with you know, wanting to get 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.480 him in the White House if he's the nominee. 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.320 Yeah, it sure looks like that's part of the strategies 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:09.240 to try to bottle him up and process and proceedings 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.400 and not allow him to campaign as much. I mean, 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:14.880 like I said in the last twenty four hours, I mean, 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.720 he still he did it in spite of anything. And 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:21.720 you know, he's a very effective campaigner, and his people 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:25.240 are willing to show up for him, and you know, 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:29.160 he's had obviously a lot of high profile supporters nationally 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:31.520 that are also willing to do some of the heavy 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:34.520 lifting of the campaigning. But there's no substitute for the candidate, 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:38.000 and so you know it's going to certainly affect that. 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:42.520 I think the biggest concern I have as I look 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:46.400 at these legal proceedings is just how aggressive Jack Smith 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.440 has been to try to bress this Washington d the 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.600 case he's got to. He brought the case mostly because 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.800 you know, he knew that the judge in Florida was 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.800 maybe not going to see the world the same way 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:02.440 he sees it. And it most likely gives Trump the 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.679 time he needs given that he's running a national campaign 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.960 for president. But I think Jack Smith has found a 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:13.960 judge in Judge Shutkin in Washington, d C. That's willing 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:18.720 to press this case. But obviously the immunity case has 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:22.120 been appealed already and the Supreme Court didn't put it 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.920 on a rocket docket, so they you know, the Eth 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.520 Circuit has it, and then they'll probably appeal to an 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:29.840 on bunk and then ultimately Supreme Court. So I don't 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:31.080 know if they're going to be able to hold that 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.439 prial date. It was supposed to start the day before 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.880 Super Tuesday on March fourth, March fifth being superdud there. 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.200 Do you think that goal then with Jack Smith, as 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.920 he's trying to get a conviction before election day, is 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:45.120 that what he's gutting for here? 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.920 Yes? No, no, no doubt. In my mind, the polling 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:55.160 shows that a conviction could influence you know, the swing 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.720 voters in their decisions, and so I think that's exactly 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.000 what Jack Smith's trying to do. I think it's a shame. 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.640 You know, defendants typically are given a lot of leniency 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:08.280 when it comes to the timing, and especially First Amendment 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:14.920 considerations and political campaigns are typically given consideration by the courts. 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:18.280 But you know, in this case, obviously you are never 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.600 stray too far from Trump duragement syndrome. That it affects 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:23.880 a lot on the left, and it appears to really 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:27.480 you know, Washington, d C. Is not friendly Trump territory, 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:29.720 and there's not a lot of you know, friends that 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:33.079 he's going to find in the courthouse in Washington, d C. 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.120 So we're just going to have to see if people 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:38.320 give him a fair hearing and consider his legitimate arguments. 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:42.200 I mean, it's not hilarious because it's despicable, but I 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.000 guess there's got to be some humor in the fact 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:48.800 that they're talking about a threat to democracy while simultaneously 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:52.400 trying to unilaterally remove him from ballots and states and 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:54.760 deny people the opportunity to vote for him. 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.560 But so that's the world that we live in. 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:00.000 That is that is the definition of iron. 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:03.000 It's like it's like, I don't it's not funny, but 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.120 it's like I just feel like in this crazy world, 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:06.199 you almost. 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:09.120 Kind of just have to laugh or it's it's too much. 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.720 I feel the same way. I think that, you know, 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:15.640 the other thing that just show I mean, the left 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:20.800 always shows how they really despise our systems and our 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:25.199 you know, constitutional rights. And the way that Colorado violated 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:28.559 the due process of President Trump and took him remove 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:30.600 him from the ballot. And then the way that the 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:36.400 main Secretary of State just absolutely unilaterally, you know, used 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.400 power she thinks she has to take him off the ballot. 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:41.440 It just shows you the left just it will do 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:45.920 anything to not have Donald Trump run for president because 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.400 they know that, you know, it's and when he wins, 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.880 it is going to change our country for the better 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:55.040 and obviously is not going to serve you know, their 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:58.680 world view, which is a steady march towards the cliff 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.600 of socialism and the really of our you know, liberty 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:03.160 and freedoms during the United States. 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:08.800 Take a quick commercial break more with Matt Whittaker. My 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:12.559 biggest concern is I just I don't know how independents 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.040 are going to view all this when it comes down to, 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:18.199 you know, leading into election day. I think that's that's 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:20.640 the big question mark for me. Do they see this 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.160 as a political hit job or do they buy the 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:26.640 argument that they're being told and sold. I don't know. 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.600 I don't know yet. You know, there's there's there's kind 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:32.560 of mixed messages out of these swing states at Pennsylvania, Michigan, 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.960 Wis Thompson, Arizona and the Battle those kind of places. 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:38.040 I think it's too soon to tell. I think there's 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:39.280 just going to be have to be a lot more 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.640 road behind us in this twenty twenty four election before 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:44.720 we really know what's going to happen. 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:47.280 Speaking of you know, irony in the sense of what 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:49.360 we're talking about with the you know, trying to you know, 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:52.360 talk about democracy while trying to remove him from the ballot. 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:56.640 You've also got Fulton County District Attorney Fanny Willis, who 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:01.760 is prosecuting Donald Trump from racketeering charges, who has recently 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:05.840 been accused of having a romantic relationship with a Special 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:10.240 prosecutor Nathan Wade, who you know, she's involved in this, 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.720 and he's made I think something like nearly a million 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:15.119 dollars in legal fees since he was appointed. 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:17.600 Could that sink her case? 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.840 And you know, and that obviously she's going after Trump 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:24.880 alleging that he's corrupt, and then she's engaged in something 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:28.960 that is entirely improper and you know, corrupt. So you know, 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.320 it's like, you know, how do you think this will 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:32.040 impact it? 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.080 Will it impact it? You know, what's what's your take 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:34.320 on that? 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:38.679 Quite possibly some extent it We just we have an 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.800 allegation and we don't know the extent of of this 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:45.000 allegation and how much is true. But you know, certainly 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:49.200 on the headline is very shocky. And you know, the 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:57.000 suggestion that he, you know, was essentially pushing money to 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:01.040 his law firm and then they were and going on 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:04.959 trips and essentially funding a lifestyle she couldn't afford as 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:08.840 a public servant. I think is is offensive. I think 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:12.679 the voting public and the taxpayers of Fulton County are 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:15.240 going to be very upset if their money was funneled 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:19.479 to this guy so that he could romance the prosecutor. 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.040 And so, you know, I think we're just gonna have 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:25.280 to see how it plays out. Ultimately. I'm not sure 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:30.160 that it has a dramatic impact into the Trump case 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:35.320 other than you know, to your point, which is, you know, 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:41.240 it's it's it's it's pretty rich to have a corrupt prosecutor, 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:45.240 you know, choosing somebody else of being corrupt. It's it's 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:49.559 really irony is probably the best word we have in 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:53.720 the English language, but does not do enough to you know, 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:55.480 really capture what's going on here. 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.560 Well, it also just kind of like underscores that this 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.560 is all political, right because clearly, you know, they don't 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:04.320 care about democracy if they're trying to remove him from 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.440 the ballot. They don't care about the rule of law 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:10.040 if they're doing improper things themselves. So you know, it 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:14.160 just sort of underscores and you know, demonstrates why they're 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:15.080 really doing all this. 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.000 Yeah, and apparently you know. 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:20.440 He purchased tickets for them to travel on like cruise 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.360 lines like the Royal Caribbean and they went to nap 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.680 about So I mean that seems like it should be 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.280 illegal if she's paying him this money and then essentially 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:30.720 sort of getting this kickback in the in the uh, 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.720 you know, in the way of you know, travel paid 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.120 travel right from him. So I don't know if that's 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.600 illegal or not, but it should be ver least it all. 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:42.520 Yeah, well it's certainly unethical, you know, and based on 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.000 these types of statutes that they're trying to get, you know, 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.800 to again for the first time apply to you know, 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:53.200 Donald Trump and what they you know, accuse his behavior 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.960 being certainly the sound like are you know a Fanny 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.600 Willis Rico conspiracy? To me, doesn't it? 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:00.920 It's it's wild stuff. 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:04.400 I wanted to you know, Hunter Biden interrupted a House 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:09.440 Oversight Committee vote overholding him in contempt of Congress. You know, 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:13.400 he showed up. Apparently they weren't expecting them. Why do 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.640 you think he did that? Uh, you know what point 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:18.520 was he was he trying to make? And what do 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:19.800 you think they're they're reasoning. 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:22.440 Yeah, he was trying to make the point that hey, 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.280 I'm willing to show up. I've been willing to show up, 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.120 just not based on you know, I just won't do 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:30.480 a closed door deposition. And I think they've done a 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:34.320 good job messaging kind of their their position. I thought 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:37.800 your colleague Jonathan Turley had the best quote of you know, 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.360 the coverage, which was, you know, if you're gonna if 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:43.760 you're going to you know, be part of the circus. 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:45.320 You don't have to put on the big shoes in 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.800 the red nose and talking about the Democrats, you know, 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.920 trying to support Hunter Biden at that at that at 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:53.840 that committee hearing. But you know, abu Ole is a 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:58.600 very talented, sophisticated political operator and lawyer in Washington, d C. 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:04.640 So this, you know, was all intentional and the you know, 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.960 the what happened was exactly what they wanted to happen. 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.120 And once they had received enough of it, then they 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.800 walked out and were able to sort of you know, 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.040 make it, you know, get the video and and and 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:19.600 again overcome uh and change the narrator. Ultimately, there was 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:23.600 going to be a hearing to vote on contempt charges 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.520 and that was overwhelmed by just you know, the spectacle 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:28.720 of her Biden sitting in the front row with his lawyers, 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:34.040 as you know is uh bong ripping best buddy and benefactor. 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.560 You know. And he also made us first court appearance 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.560 in his criminal tax case. He's been charged with nine 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:45.600 counts in December, you know, failure to pay taxes, evasion assessment, 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:48.640 and falseter fraudulent tax return. We've seen them get a 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:51.840 sweetheart deal before obviously it blew up, but we've already 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:57.600 seen his Barisma taxes that the you know elapse and uh, 0:16:58.480 --> 0:16:59.400 why mind blanking on? 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.400 Oh statute of limitations? Yeah, well yeah, what's run out right? Exactly? 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:04.600 Statute of limitations. 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:06.200 Thank you, I'm I'm here for you. 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:10.440 I appreciate that, Thanks, Matt. That's why we have you on. 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:14.879 Do you think he's just gonna, you know, get like 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.600 a you know, a pat on the hand, or do 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.800 you think he's in some you know, serious trouble here 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:21.119 with us? 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.800 So I think he's in serious trouble. And I think 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:30.520 he should have been in this serious trouble a while back. 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:35.040 You know, I think he had this unbelievable sweet artdeal 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.560 not only the statue of limitations, did it run and 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.200 was allowed to run, which prosepcutors should never have done 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:45.040 for his most lucrative packs here to twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen. 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:47.560 But you know, he was getting kind of this deferred 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:50.320 judgment on the guns, and he's getting misdemeanors on the taxes. 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:53.040 Now he's facing you know, three felony gun charges, three 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:55.399 felony tax charges. Everything else is a misting miror is 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:59.440 gonna have probably a misdemeanor contempt of Congress charge potentially 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:01.880 if the part Adjustice you know, willing to bring that, 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:06.600 similar to the way they charged Banning and others, Peter Navarro, 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:10.280 and so all that being said, I think, you know, 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:12.760 it is yet to be seen, but this is much 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:15.360 more serious than that deal he had up in Delaware 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:17.600 where he almost walked away with you know, with his 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:19.560 with a slap on the rest to your point. 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:21.720 And his attorney, I mean, he helped kind of blow 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:23.760 that up too. So I mean, do you think would 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:27.280 he have been smarter to just you know, taken some 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:28.720 sort of deal or taken that deal. 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.919 Yeah, he should have done it much faster. And you know, 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:36.000 I mean what happened was once the you know, people 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:39.040 started complaining about it and shining a lantern on it, 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.240 obviously the judge took a close look at it, and 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:46.879 then the US attorney replaced the trial team who probably 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:48.760 took a closer look at it. And you know, they 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:54.520 had a really advantageous deal for Hunter, and you know, 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:56.560 just they just couldn't get it across the goal line 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.879 because there was just too much interest and attention on it. 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:02.000 And again it was you would never have done that deal. 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:03.880 I was a Us' trade for five and n half years, 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.159 and you know, you just would have never offered that 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:11.040 deal if you were serious about prosecuting someone. And so 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:16.359 it just demonstrates, what, you know, kind of how ridiculous 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:18.879 this was. And then they appoint you know, the Special 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:21.480 Council as the guy who had agreed to this deal 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:23.840 in the first place. So the whole thing to me 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:27.840 seems like Hunter Biden was getting every advantage of being 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.879 the president's son and that shouldn't be the case. You know, 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:33.879 in are in a system where allegedly, you know, justice 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:34.840 is blind. 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:40.920 Well, yeah, I mean I remember those days there. Those 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:43.000 are a nice days, Matt. We don't have those anymore. 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:47.040 Do you think Republicans in Congress, particularly the House, are 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.879 doing a good enough job of trying to tie Joe 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:53.800 Biden into all of this and to try to prosecute 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.880 the case against him with his business dealings at least? 0:19:56.920 --> 0:20:00.439 I think the biggest problem for the Republicans in the 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:04.560 House is they just have a very small majority, and 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:06.920 so it's hard, you know, if you if you want 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:09.760 to put some teeth into what you're doing, ultimately you 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.439 need to have a block that the majority can vote 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.960 to do things, whether that's to impeach, whether that's old 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:18.680 people in contempt. When you have a three vote advantage, 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:21.640 it's just very difficult to do that kind of business. 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:27.040 And so I think there, you know, James Comer, I 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:31.399 would point out as a as an example example of 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:33.600 where they've done some good things and turned over some 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:37.639 good evidence. I think, you know, Jim Jordan, it seems 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:39.879 to me to be working hard, but he has not 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:44.320 turned up as much maybe his investigations as people were hoping. 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:46.440 But you know, that being said is I think they're 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:49.440 doing an effective job. Obviously all of this is done 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.520 through the lens of politics, and it just you know, 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:54.520 then it then it ends up being you know, kind 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:57.280 of what color jersey you're wearing and what you believe 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:00.480 the evidence shows. But there's no doubt that you know 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.240 that Joe Biden knew what Powter was doing, that he 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:09.160 anticipated in what hud was doing, either knowingly or as 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:11.920 you know, as as a father who wanted to help 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:17.080 his son be successful, and that Hudder Biden was selling influence, 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:19.720