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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of legal news this week, with

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Speaker 1: over the scope of his presidential immunity as he faces

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Speaker 1: continued prosecution from Jack Smith. You've also got Hutter Biden

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Speaker 1: making his first court appearance a connection to his criminal

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Speaker 1: tax case. Of course, he was charged with nine counts

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Speaker 1: in December. So we're going to dig into some of

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Speaker 1: those issues and how does that impact the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four election when you look at the stuff that Hunter

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Speaker 1: Biden is being charged with, as well as what the

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Speaker 1: left is trying to do to Donald Trump. So in

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Speaker 1: this case, we're going to turn to Matt Whittaker for

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Speaker 1: his take on all of this. He of course was

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Speaker 1: the acting United States Attorney General under President Trump. He's

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Speaker 1: also an Iowan, so we're going to get his take

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Speaker 1: as someone who was born in Iowa, who attended the

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Speaker 1: University of Iowa. He was a tight end for the Hawkeyes.

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Speaker 1: He also served as a United States Attorney for the

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Speaker 1: Southern District of Iowa. So we're going to get his

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Speaker 1: take on all these legal issues from this past week

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Speaker 1: and also get into a little bit of presidential politics

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Speaker 1: as someone who's there in the state of Iowa, and

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Speaker 1: you will be out, you know, caucusing on January fifteenth.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned for Matt Whitaker. Well, Matt, it's great to

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Speaker 1: have you back on. You've been in Iowa. Give us

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Speaker 1: the temperature, you know what, we'll freezing, I'm sure, but

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Speaker 1: you know, tell us what you're hearing from voters and

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Speaker 2: It's interesting. I mean, you know, obviously the circus comes

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Speaker 2: to town every four years, and Iowans are a very

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Speaker 2: politically savvy group, especially at the base of the base

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Speaker 2: that turns out for the Iowa Caucuses, and so there's enthusiasm.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's going to probably be similar to

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, you know, but there's just not as many

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Speaker 2: candidates and you know, and so all things being equal,

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Speaker 2: I think we're going to have a good caucus, a

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Speaker 2: good turn out. It's not going to be probably record breaking.

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Speaker 2: And these candidates, you know, President Trump and the vat

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Speaker 2: Roma Swami and Governor DeSantis and Nikki Haley have all

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Speaker 2: spent a lot of time there. And you know the

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Speaker 2: famous thing I like to tell my friends from out

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Speaker 2: of the state, you know, Iowa call us go typically

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Speaker 2: when you ask them who they're supporting to say, or

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Speaker 2: if you ask them about a particular candidate, So I

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Speaker 2: really don't know. I've only met that person three times.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, they're very you know, they're they're connoisseurs.

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Speaker 2: They show up, they want to ask their questions, they

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Speaker 2: you know, a very discerning judgment here on on Monday.

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Speaker 1: Do you think, you know, looking at what the polls

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Speaker 1: have been indicating and then being on the ground, do.

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Speaker 3: You think that's what we're going to see? Will there

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Speaker 3: be any surprises?

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any surprises. There's two things I'm watching,

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Speaker 2: and you know, full disclosure, I've endorsed President Trump, who

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Speaker 2: I know it well. But the things I'm watching is,

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Speaker 2: you know, does President Trump get fifty percent of total

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Speaker 2: of the total vote? And then you know, the record

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Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty eight was set in a competitive caucus

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Speaker 2: I would you know that I would see if if

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Speaker 2: President Trump can win by more than twelve that would

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Speaker 2: be unprecedented record. You know, the highest percent was in

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Speaker 2: two thousand, George W. Bush got forty one percent, a

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Speaker 2: numbers that I'm kind of tracking. I don't believe the

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Speaker 2: thirty plus points. If he does, I would say the

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Speaker 2: I think those you know, smart people that are paying

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm sure he's trying to get as

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Speaker 1: and cleared the field I wanted to. You know, obviously,

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Speaker 3: Where do you think that case is going? And does

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Speaker 3: he have a case for presidential immunity?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of things. You think about what he

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Speaker 2: he's he's just tireless. You know. The presidential community case

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Speaker 2: is very interesting, and you know, I've heard a lot

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Speaker 2: the media love to talk about this, you know, hypothetical

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Speaker 2: Americans would create us probably outside of the bounds of

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Speaker 2: presidential immunity. And so you know, but the question is

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Speaker 2: where are those bounds? And I don't think there's a

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Speaker 2: if we've talked about it before, but I you know,

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Speaker 2: I certainly believe in all these President Trump's cases, these

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Speaker 2: are all novel legal theories, right, They're all there's no

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Speaker 2: never been tried by prosecutors. You know what. I was

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Speaker 2: the well worn road of prosecutions. And in Jack Smith cases,

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Speaker 2: he's trying novel legal theories. And uh, you know, Fanny

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Speaker 1: I mean, we know they're going to you know, keep

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sure looks like that's part of the strategies

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Speaker 2: like I said in the last twenty four hours, I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, he's a very effective campaigner, and his people

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Speaker 2: he's had obviously a lot of high profile supporters nationally

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Speaker 2: and so you know it's going to certainly affect that.

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest concern I have as I look

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Speaker 2: he sees it. And it most likely gives Trump the

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Speaker 1: Do you think that goal then with Jack Smith, as

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Speaker 1: he's trying to get a conviction before election day, is

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Speaker 1: that what he's gutting for here?

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Speaker 2: Yes? No, no, no doubt. In my mind, the polling

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Speaker 2: what Jack Smith's trying to do. I think it's a shame.

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Speaker 2: You know, defendants typically are given a lot of leniency

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Speaker 2: But you know, in this case, obviously you are never

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Speaker 2: stray too far from Trump duragement syndrome. That it affects

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Speaker 2: you know, Washington, d C. Is not friendly Trump territory,

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Speaker 2: So we're just going to have to see if people

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not hilarious because it's despicable, but I

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Speaker 1: guess there's got to be some humor in the fact

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Speaker 1: that they're talking about a threat to democracy while simultaneously

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Speaker 1: trying to unilaterally remove him from ballots and states and

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Speaker 3: But so that's the world that we live in.

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Speaker 2: That is that is the definition of iron.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's like, I don't it's not funny, but

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Speaker 1: it's like I just feel like in this crazy world,

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Speaker 3: Kind of just have to laugh or it's it's too much.

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Speaker 2: I feel the same way. I think that, you know,

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Speaker 2: the other thing that just show I mean, the left

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Speaker 2: you know, constitutional rights. And the way that Colorado violated

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Speaker 2: the due process of President Trump and took him remove

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Speaker 2: him from the ballot. And then the way that the

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Speaker 2: It just shows you the left just it will do

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Speaker 2: anything to not have Donald Trump run for president because

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Speaker 2: they know that, you know, it's and when he wins,

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Speaker 2: it is going to change our country for the better

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Speaker 2: and obviously is not going to serve you know, their

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Speaker 1: Take a quick commercial break more with Matt Whittaker. My

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Speaker 1: biggest concern is I just I don't know how independents

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Speaker 2: So this, you know, was all intentional and the you know,

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Speaker 1: You know. And he also made us first court appearance

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Speaker 1: Do you think he's just gonna, you know, get like

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Speaker 2: So I think he's in serious trouble. And I think

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Speaker 2: Now he's facing you know, three felony gun charges, three

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Speaker 1: And his attorney, I mean, he helped kind of blow

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean I remember those days there. Those

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Speaker 1: Do you think voters care or do you think it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, special place. What do you think the big issues

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Speaker 2: so I think those are what people are feeling. You know,

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Speaker 1: I hope that we, you know, effectively prosecute the case

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Speaker 1: on all of those fronts. Matt, I know you're busy guy.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time to join the show.

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Speaker 1: Always enjoy talking with you, Lisa.

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Speaker 2: I am a big fan of yours and I think

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Speaker 2: you know I'm always looking forward to when I can

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Speaker 2: catch you on television. And you know, I think your

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Speaker 2: is kind of marginal and best, but you know otherwise otherwise,

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Speaker 2: I always enjoy spend a time with you. So thanks

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Speaker 2: for having me on today.

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Speaker 1: And for those listening. We say that and Jess because

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Speaker 1: they're friends. So Matt, always appreciate you coming on. I

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Speaker 1: feel the same about you, so appreciate you bring us

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Speaker 1: your insight and for taking the time my friend.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, all right, thank you.

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Speaker 1: That was Matt Whittaker. Appreciate him taking the time to

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Speaker 3: Great guy. Always fund having him on.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you guys at home for listening

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Speaker 1: every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank my producer, John Cassio for putting

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Speaker 1: the show together until next TI time