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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the Whitetail Woods, presented by First Light, creating proven versatile

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Speaker 1: Go farther, stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, I'm running Jared Mills through our what would

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Speaker 2: you do gauntlet, giving us insight into exactly how we'd

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Speaker 2: handle some of the most challenging deer hunting scenarios. I

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Speaker 2: could throw it all right. Welcome to the Wired to

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Speaker 2: Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light and our

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Speaker 2: Camera for Conservation initiative, which means every purchase of first

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Speaker 2: Light gear in the Spectra pattern, which is the whitetail

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Speaker 2: camera pattern, a percentage of every single one of those

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Speaker 2: sales goes to the National Dear so helping support their

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Speaker 2: mission to make things better for deer and deer hunters,

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Speaker 2: and they're doing a good job of it. I actually

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Speaker 2: was with a bunch of the guys from the NDA

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Speaker 2: just last weekend way up there in Idaho for one

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Speaker 2: of our Working for Wildlife Tour events. I'm sure you've

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Speaker 2: heard all about it, but we have had some great

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Speaker 2: opportunities so far to volunteer on public land improve habitat

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Speaker 2: for wildlife, and that was certainly a good example of it.

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Speaker 2: There was I think more than fifty volunteers. We improved

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Speaker 2: some aspen stand habitat which a lot of white tails

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Speaker 2: and elk and other critters are going to benefit from.

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Speaker 2: Man we had a good time doing it too, so

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Speaker 2: kudos to the NDA. And speaking of working for wildlife

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Speaker 2: tour events, we've got another one coming up this weekend.

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Speaker 2: If you are in Missouri, we are going to be

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Speaker 2: getting together this coming Saturday. That's Saturday, August twelfth, down

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Speaker 2: the BK. Leach Memorial Conservation Area. We're going to be

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Speaker 2: doing some habitat improvement out there. That's just outside of

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Speaker 2: Saint Louis, Missouri, I believe. So I'd love to see

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Speaker 2: at eight a m. Saturday morning at the BK. Leech

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Speaker 2: Memorial Conservation Area. This is in partnership with backcountry Hunters

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Speaker 2: and anglers. We're going to do some good work for

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Speaker 2: wildlife and then later that afternoon get together for social event.

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Speaker 2: Some storytelling should be great. You can sign up over

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Speaker 2: on the BHA website. They've got an events page there.

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Speaker 2: For it where you can register. Hope to see you there,

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Speaker 2: I guess in other news, since we're talking news. This

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Speaker 2: past weekend, so two weekends ago was the Working for

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Speaker 2: Wildlife Tour event in Idaho. This most recent weekend, I

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Speaker 2: was down in southern Michigan for the Field to Fork

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Speaker 2: program at the Back Forty, which has been such a

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Speaker 2: cool thing to see grow over the last couple of years,

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Speaker 2: and this year we introduced I think thirteen or fourteen

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Speaker 2: new hunters this past Saturday to this whole hunting lifestyle.

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Speaker 2: So we got to spend the day with them, giving

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Speaker 2: them experience behind a rifle and a crossbow, answering all

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Speaker 2: sorts of questions about hunting, taking them for a tour

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Speaker 2: of the property, talking through different deer behavior and habitat

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Speaker 2: and strategy questions. And then there will be a whole

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Speaker 2: series of hunts happening this fall in the early season

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Speaker 2: and late season where there will be specific partners or

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Speaker 2: sorry mentors partnered up with each one of these new hunters,

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Speaker 2: and it's very cool to see the Back forty property

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Speaker 2: this past Saturday. That was a lot of fun and

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Speaker 2: other than that. We do have a podcast episode to

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Speaker 2: get too, which I know you guys are chomping at

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Speaker 2: the bit for and it's a good one. We're continuing

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Speaker 2: our what would You Do? Series, which is this thing

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Speaker 2: we do every August. Hopefully you heard last week with

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Speaker 2: Bobby Kendall. What we're doing is running our guests through

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Speaker 2: a series of specific hypothetical hunting scenarios to see what

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Speaker 2: today's guest is Jared Mills. He is a great deer

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Speaker 2: hunter who just came off of a really really great

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Speaker 2: He is probably most known for his participation in the

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Speaker 2: Midwest White Tail Series for a really really long time,

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Speaker 2: probably a decade or more. He's now doing his own thing.

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Speaker 2: He's got his own YouTube channel. You can find that

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Speaker 2: to share some of those stories of you too. So

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Speaker 2: that will be for another day though. For now, let's

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Speaker 2: get to Jared Mills or running them through the what

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Speaker 2: with me now on the line, I've got the one

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Speaker 2: and only Jared Mills. Jared, thanks for making time for.

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Speaker 3: This, absolutely man, it's good to chat again, and I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this month of August for the last

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Speaker 2: series we run people through these hypothetical scenarios. It ends

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Speaker 2: up being maybe my favorite month of the year as

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Speaker 2: far as the podcast, just because you get to geek

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Speaker 2: geek out on thinking through every one of these different

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Speaker 2: sit there for hours on the highway and be like,

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Speaker 2: what would you do if this happened? Or what would

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Speaker 2: I'm taking my road trip game and applying it to

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Speaker 3: So that's perfect. I love the idea. I think obviously

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Speaker 3: it's a great way for listeners to learn. But I

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Speaker 3: think at least from my perspective. The coolest part is

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Speaker 3: it just points out how many different ways there are

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great it's a great point and it

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Speaker 2: is funny though. And I don't know if you've experienced this,

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Speaker 2: in different ways, but maybe fifty percent of them think

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if they don't know anything else and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some truth to that before we get into

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the biggest one that comes to mind,

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Speaker 3: And for me, it's just don't get don't mix hunting

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Speaker 3: don't have to do what everyone else is doing. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is uh, this is not brain surgery, this

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Speaker 2: All right, So I think you know the basic rules, right.

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Speaker 2: What I'm curious about to start is how you would

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Speaker 3: Okay, so yeah, August thirtieth is its earlier than October first,

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Speaker 2: So two follow ups. First, when you do that boots

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I follow you. So last one on that

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Speaker 3: to cover every square end. So if I do go

433
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 3: in on a hunt again potentially using that creek for access,

434
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 3: depending on the exact situation and wind direction. I've done

435
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 3: it a lot where I'll sit for a morning hunt

436
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 3: or something and then just slowly maybe take a longer

437
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 3: route out, just see what I can learn, see what

438
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 3: I can see. But the reality is October first, a

439
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 3: lot of my learning is probably going to be be

440
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 3: coming from tree stand observations and and you know, just

441
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 3: sits and adjusting from there. You can get You can

442
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 3: learn a lot whether you see a targetbuck or not

443
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 3: from a hunt. You know, againting back to the general movement,

444
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 3: A lot of times you'll you'll see whether it's a

445
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 3: movement an evening hunt or morning hunt. You're going to

446
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 3: see which direction most of the deer are moving. You know,

447
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 3: it changes a little bit once you get to the

448
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 3: ret time frame November time frame, and the cruising becomes

449
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 3: a little more random direction. But you know that early

450
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 3: October timeframe, that stuff is relatively consistent and that can

451
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 3: give you a lot of information on that property.

452
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's kind of continue on with this property.

453
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 2: Let's say and for whatever reason, you're scouting your way

454
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 2: into a spot or something. You're moving your way through

455
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: the property and you stumble on an area that screams

456
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 2: out like big Buck bedroom to you, Like alarm bells

457
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 2: start going off in your head and you say, holy smokes,

458
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 2: I'm in the bedroom. M what would it take, like

459
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 2: describe to me what would take to see for you

460
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 2: to think that's like paint for me a picture of

461
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 2: what that kind of place would have to be to

462
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: set off those alarm bells for you. And then number two,

463
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 2: what would you do in that situation? Because let's say

464
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 2: it's October, sometime in October, and now you've stumbled into

465
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 2: a big Buck bedroom. You're seeing something that makes you think,

466
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: oh wow, I'm in the thing. What do you do

467
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 2: next or how do you use that information if you're

468
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 2: not going to do anything immediately with it.

469
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I guess the first part of the question.

470
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 3: You know, a location that I that would come to mind,

471
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 3: especially if the property has some topography to it, would

472
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 3: be a higher point where a buck can see in

473
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 3: multiple directions but is somewhat protected by thick cover. A

474
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 3: lot of times I find those locations really close to

475
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 3: where you know, let's say, maybe it's a spot with

476
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 3: with a bunch of briars or some type of really

477
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 3: thick protective cover, but it's on the edge of where

478
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 3: it opens up, so you might have Basically that's what

479
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 3: creates the visibility for them, is you know, they're protected,

480
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 3: but they can see through, see you know, danger, see

481
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 3: other deer. Whatever. Of course, a lot of big rubs

482
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 3: would would help give that spot away. The other thing too,

483
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 3: it just seems like a lot of mature bucks are

484
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 3: very off on their own. So if I'm seeing a

485
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 3: bunch of other you know, a bunch of beds together

486
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 3: or something like that, I'm usually gonna guess that's not

487
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 3: a spot where a mature buck is. But it's usually

488
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 3: a spot that's not overloaded with deer sign. In general,

489
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 3: it's going to have you know, sign specific to him,

490
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 3: but it's not going to be uh, you know, crazy traffic,

491
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 3: as far as just the deer herd in general. So

492
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 3: I think those three things are the first ones I

493
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 3: think about. It is important that location is important to

494
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 3: me during the October timeframe, for sure. I think, you know,

495
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 3: the month of October is usually your better opportunity to

496
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 3: kill a local resident mature buck. Of course, they're going

497
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 3: to be day very light active through November, but it's

498
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,719
Speaker 3: it's hard to figure out where they're going to be.

499
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 3: They could be miles away. Just there's just so many

500
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: random factors are out of your control. Where As if

501
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,479
Speaker 3: he's living there and consistent and you catch him before

502
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 3: a bunch of dose coming to Estris, it's it's good

503
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 3: to know exactly where he's betting and coming and going to.

504
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 3: So yeah, that information is definitely important. How I would

505
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 3: hunt it, I've never been big on trying to dive

506
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 3: right into that core area. I think I think they're

507
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 3: there for a reason, and I think that reason is

508
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 3: it's hard to get to, you know. I'd rather just

509
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 3: know it and hunt intercept him to where he's going.

510
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 3: But knowing is a big piece of that puzzle, right,

511
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 3: just not I just don't want to hunt right on it.

512
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 3: So if I know, hey, the dough betting areas over here,

513
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 3: as we get towards late October, he's going to be

514
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 3: looking for that. Usually he's going to be the one

515
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 3: that gets that first sessious know on that property, that

516
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 3: local dough. He's going to be going and checking this

517
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 3: more and more regular as we get to the last

518
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 3: couple of weeks of October. That's really good to know that.

519
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 3: Even like I was talking earlier, the destination food source

520
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 3: is really good to know. But yeah, it's an important

521
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 3: piece of information, but I don't typically get in the

522
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 3: habit of hunting right on that location.

523
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: Does Does it change things at all? If you saw

524
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 2: the buck like get up out of his bed and

525
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: run away. So if you actually bumped the buck out

526
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: of its bad you see, he's a he's a target deer.

527
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: Would that change any part of that? And would you

528
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: have you know, if you were going to try to

529
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: hunt that deer? Now, how would that impact the timing

530
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: of when you would try to hunt him again?

531
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 3: It wouldn't affect the timing. I'll give you example and

532
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 3: explain why. But the first part of the question, I

533
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: think it does doesn't change it. It confirms it. For me,

534
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, this is where he's at, and usually

535
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: it's going to confirm like okay. It was hard to

536
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 3: get into. I bumped him, you know, trying or accidentally

537
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 3: bumped him, but kind of the same thing there. It

538
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 3: does not. I think these deer, especially in this area,

539
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 3: farm country, whatever, they get bumped a lot more often

540
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: than we know about. I would rather bump them walking

541
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 3: in or doing some type of activity as opposed to

542
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 3: spooking them from the tree stand by being sloppy with

543
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: wind direction or movement or something like that. I can

544
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 3: think of an example. It's been a few years now,

545
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: but I was hunting a target buck. I did not

546
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: know this was a property that was pretty homogeneous, and

547
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 3: so it didn't have like what I would call designated

548
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 3: betting areas. There's a lot of really good betting areas,

549
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 3: and they seem to bounce around quite a bit, even

550
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,479
Speaker 3: the mature buck. He's still better on his own, but

551
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: it just it just seemed to be a little bit random.

552
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 3: So anyway, I was walking in to try a new spot,

553
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 3: tree standing on my back, you know, sticks, everything, just

554
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 3: a hanging hunt, and I bumped him and of course

555
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 3: you had that feeling of kind of devastation, you know, man,

556
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: that was a deer I came in for. There's also

557
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 3: a little bit of you that's like, I should just

558
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: go home now, right, like what am I doing here?

559
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: But instead I sat down. I mean I was definitely upset,

560
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, but I sat down and just

561
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: thought about where would he go? Where's he going right now?

562
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: You know, where's he running to? When is he going

563
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 3: to stop running? When is he going to settle down?

564
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 3: And so I made the move on the entire opposite

565
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 3: side of the property. And actually there was another tree

566
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 3: stand already set up, so it wasn't a complete hanging hunt.

567
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 3: But I hopped in that tree stand where I had

568
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 3: good visibility on a really thick area that I thought

569
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 3: he could have ran to, and sure enough he came out.

570
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 3: He was one of that came out that evening. Didn't

571
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: get a shot out. I never worked his way into

572
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: bowt range. You know, probably sixty yards is probably the

573
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: closest he got. But I got to watch him do

574
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 3: his thing. He ended up getting with a dough and

575
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 3: but that was one of the first eye opening experiences

576
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 3: for me, Like he was completely fine. I mean it was.

577
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 3: It would have been like if I picked the right

578
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 3: spot and he got up out of his bed and came.

579
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 3: I mean, he acted no different. And this was only

580
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 3: probably an hour hour and a half after jumping out

581
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 3: of his jumping him out of his bed. So I

582
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: think we tend to think we ran run a buck

583
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 3: into the next county, and more often than not that's

584
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 3: not the case. I'm not saying every time you're going

585
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 3: to have a situation like I just laid out, But

586
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 3: the reality is, I think they forget about some of that,

587
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 3: some of those types of spooking activities fasher than we think.

588
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, what a good feeling that must have been.

589
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: Though when you had to you had that like low

590
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: point where you bumped him, you're all bummed out, and

591
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: then you made the pivot and then that like that

592
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: was right, you made the right call, and there he was.

593
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: I mean that must have been.

594
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 3: At first I was like, man, I'm gonna kill this thing.

595
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 3: There's what a crazy story. This is? Right, they jump him,

596
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 3: and then you know it was probably I don't know,

597
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 3: five hundred yard four hundred to five hundred yard move

598
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: from where he was initially betted to where he came

599
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 3: out that night. So he went in decent ways, But

600
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 3: I obviously I have no way of knowing how quick

601
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 3: he settled that, Like, you know, did he run for

602
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 3: one hundred yards and then just me and er the

603
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 3: rest of the way, or did he run hard for

604
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: a few hundred yards? Hard to say, but you know,

605
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 3: nonetheless it was it was a cool learning experience for me.

606
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let's shift to one of your longtime properties.

607
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: Let's say, like, I know, you bought a new farm

608
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: last year. I think it was, So let's say we're

609
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: there maybe, and let's say we're going into the season.

610
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: You've got your target bucks that made it back. You've

611
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: done all these food plots and TSI, you've done all

612
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: this work. You've got stands prepped or trees prepped or

613
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: ideas in place. You've done the work, you have a

614
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: strategy laid out, you're just counting down the days till

615
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: opening day. And then let's say a week before opening day,

616
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: a few days before opening day, all of a sudden,

617
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 2: like a mega giant starts showing up on trailt camera

618
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: like a brand new buck you've never seen before, never

619
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:33,719
Speaker 2: heard of this deer before, and he's like multiple levels

620
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: above anything else you have on the farm, Like he

621
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 2: is a world class deer. He'd be your biggest ever.

622
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 2: He's really really special, a deer that in your mind

623
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: you all of a sudden say, whoa to I have

624
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: to focus on him and him alone. In that scenario,

625
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: what do you do now it's September twenty sixth or

626
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 2: seventh or something like that. How do you try to

627
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: close in on him or learn something fast or shift

628
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 2: cameras or shift plans to now figure out this brand

629
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: new specific buck but with zero background or history.

630
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 3: So first of all, I hope you're speaking this into

631
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 3: existence here with this scenario.

632
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll cross my fingers for you.

633
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 3: Uh No, I don't know that it would change a

634
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 3: whole lot for me because with they're being so close

635
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 3: to the season, I'm not going to move a ton

636
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: of cameras around and being a property that I know

637
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 3: pretty well already, I know the best camera locations, right,

638
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 3: That's where I'm That's that's where I'm going to get

639
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 3: most of my information. And my property is not I mean,

640
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 3: it's it's not big enough to where you know, it's

641
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 3: one hundred acre, so it's not big enough to where

642
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: I'm going to completely change where I have cameras or

643
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 3: I need to add a bunch of new cameras to

644
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 3: try to get this information. You know, I already have

645
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 3: cameras in the pinches on some of the best scrapes,

646
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 3: et cetera. So from that standpoint, I don't think it's

647
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: going to change a whole lot for for me, and

648
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: I have a good idea of how the deer used

649
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 3: the property. I think it's just going to be more

650
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 3: or less monitoring, you know, if he stays around. I mean,

651
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 3: normally you get some deer like that that you don't know.

652
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 3: It could be a really small window that he's usual

653
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 3: utilizing your property, and he could be gone back to

654
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 3: where he came from. Uh So, I guess, having said that,

655
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 3: maybe I'll be a little bit more aggressive early to

656
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 3: take advantage of him being on the property. You know,

657
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 3: sometimes you're able to take information you learn about a

658
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 3: deer from previous years, you knowing when he shows up,

659
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 3: knowing what he does on during certain strutches of the season,

660
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 3: and apply it. Obviously, that's not the case here, so

661
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 3: I think that probably would As I'm kind of thinking

662
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: through it, I probably would be a lot more aggressive

663
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 3: than I had planned to be initially on that property

664
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 3: with some of the other target deer.

665
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: All right, opening day arrives and you have a plan

666
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: in place. You are walking to the tree stand that

667
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 2: you either have prepped or the tree that you've got

668
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 2: ready for your hanging hunt or whatever it is, and

669
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: you have a strong reason for going there. You feel

670
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: great about the wind, you feel great about your access.

671
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 2: You're going there for a reason. And then you know

672
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: like you're about to start walking down that trail, and

673
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 2: then you get the ping on your phone and we're

674
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 2: going to say it's uploads on your cell camera from

675
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 2: the night previous. And so now all of a sudden,

676
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 2: you're looking at all the pictures and you see the

677
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: night before, this buck was somewhere totally different the night before.

678
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 2: Do you chase that cell cam picture from the night

679
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: before or do you stick with your original plan and

680
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: reasons you had for that.

681
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 3: I think initial plan two things. First, the property that

682
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 3: I have and that we're playing this scenario out on

683
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: isn't big enough to completely go relocate. But two, from

684
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 3: the night before, they can cover so much ground in

685
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: that time frame. You know in a day or half

686
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 3: a day or whatever it is. I think in that situation,

687
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 3: I'm gonna trust my gut. I had a plan in place.

688
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 3: I never really like to make a lot of adjustments

689
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 3: off cell cam photos anyways, for a variety of reasons,

690
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 3: but especially in that scenario, I'm going with my gut.

691
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 3: There's you know, that could have been a one off

692
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 3: deal that he was over there. It could have and

693
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: maybe I'll be wrong, I won't see him and I

694
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 3: should have made that move. But I'll take those odds

695
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 3: every time that my plan was solid enough to outweigh

696
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 3: one single trail camp photo.

697
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. Now, instead of being a cell cam picture,

698
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: let's say instead the night before the opener, you sat

699
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: out somewhere and Gola. Let's say there's a hill or

700
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 2: somewhere where you can get a good visibility of Smarus

701
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 2: and you get eyes on this buck on the night

702
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: before the opener, you see him do something, come out

703
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 2: to one of your little food plots or something to

704
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 2: feed in daylight. Very exciting to see, great piece of

705
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 2: information to get the next day, though, the wind isn't

706
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 2: going to be the same. So let's say it's gonna

707
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: go from I don't know, from like a north wind

708
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: on the night when you saw him to a west

709
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 2: wind the next day. Do you push in there and

710
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: hunting him with the different wind because you don't care

711
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 2: about what the wind was as long as you can

712
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: safely hunt. Or is that shifting wind direction going to

713
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 2: make you predict him showing up somewhere different based on that.

714
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 3: I think I'm probably going to not shy away from

715
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 3: him doing that again, just based on the wind switch.

716
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: I think he may access it differently based on the

717
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 3: different wind direction. But I think if that's where he

718
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 3: wants to be during that time, I mean, who knows what.

719
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: Maybe it's a freshly picked cornfield or something that's I mean,

720
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 3: those super hot for four or five days, they're gonna

721
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 3: be there, you know. Maybe maybe they'll wait till closer

722
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 3: and darker after dark, or maybe they'll just access it

723
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: a little bit differently so they can have a quartering

724
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: wind or win their face or whatever it may be.

725
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 3: But I still think that's where If that's where he was,

726
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 3: that's where he wants to be for a certain reason,

727
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 3: and in that time frame, that October timeframe usually is

728
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 3: in a random reason. You know, it's something. It's usually food,

729
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 3: social related, or whatever. So I think I'm gonna I'm

730
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 3: gonna take my chances if and this is a big if,

731
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 3: if I can get in clean with whatever wind direction

732
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 3: that is, I'm not I'm gonna consider that way higher

733
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: than I am. Is he going to use it just

734
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 3: because it's a different wind direction.

735
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you mentioned if you can get in clean,

736
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 2: What if the wind's risky? What if it's a situation. Man,

737
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 2: he was just here and conditions are still good except

738
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,959
Speaker 2: the wind. Now you know, maybe there's like a fifty

739
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 2: to fifty chance. Now you're not exactly sure where he's better.

740
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: If he happens to be here a little south, you're screwed.

741
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: If he happens to be a little north, you're golden.

742
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: Do you still swing for the fences that night? Or

743
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 2: what do you do? Then?

744
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question. I think the answer would

745
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 3: be very obvious to me if this wasn't a deer

746
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 3: that was completely random and maybe gone right away. If

747
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 3: it was a really good deer, shoot your deer. But

748
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 3: I had confidence he was going to stay and at

749
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 3: least be around somewhat throughout the month, I would not

750
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 3: push it that early in the season, I would I

751
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 3: would not risk messing something up there. But the kicker

752
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: to it is this, in this scenario, it's this deer

753
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 3: that literally you have no information on and could be gone.

754
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 3: And that may make me be a little more aggressive there.

755
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 3: But I think I had to pick one thing, I

756
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 3: probably wouldn't push it on a fifty to fifty on

757
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 3: October first or second, whatever day we're talking about, I

758
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: think I'll take my chances he'll be around a little

759
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 3: bit longer for a.

760
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: Safer Okay, all right, So I hate to tell you this,

761
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 2: but we're going to erase the mega giant off the table.

762
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: He's no longer part of the scenario. We're going to

763
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 2: start a new place, new situation. I'm just gonna assume

764
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 2: you killed that buck, all right, He's dead. He's on

765
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: the wall. Let's say it is mid October. This is

766
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: like a controversial time of year. People either love to

767
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 2: say it's horrible or they love to give shit to

768
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 2: people who say it's horrible. Right, So let's say it's

769
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: October fourteenth, and there's a cold front pushing through overnight.

770
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 2: So the next morning, the lows are going to be

771
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: like twenty or thirty degrees cooler than they were yesterday,

772
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 2: the fourteenth, and then your evening lows again are gonna

773
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: be cold. Say it went from like a seventy degree

774
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 2: day in the fourteenth and now it's going to be

775
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 2: like in the forties, maybe forties, fifties, something like that.

776
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 2: So we're talking like the first big big cold front

777
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: of October. But it's happening, you know, October fifteenth, that morning.

778
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: Let's say you don't have any daylight pictures of your

779
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: shooter box yet. Let's say you have. You know, you

780
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: had some target deer a year after, but they have

781
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: not been daylighting yet, or at least haven't been dayletting

782
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: maybe since like early October. Maybe you had a couple

783
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: of things that are going early it didn't work out.

784
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: Now we're in mid October with this situation, first big

785
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 2: cold front. Are you hunting October fifteenth, that morning or

786
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: that evening because of the big cold front. Are you

787
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: taking a stab at one of your target bucks given

788
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: that weather front, or are you still playing conservative because

789
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: there's no daylight activity and you're waiting till later in

790
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 2: the month or anything else. What would you do in

791
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 2: that scenario, I'd.

792
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 3: Be hunting for sure. You only have a few of

793
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 3: those days during that October October time frame, and they're

794
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 3: as good as they get. So you have to be

795
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: in your best spots on those days. Now, you know,

796
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 3: I have multiple permission properties in different places that I

797
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 3: helped manage and hunt. I'm going to go to the

798
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 3: one where I have the most likely chance. You talk

799
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 3: about not having any bucks daylighting, I'm probably gonna go

800
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 3: to where I at least have one close, you know,

801
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: maybe showing up half hour after dark, an hour after dark.

802
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 3: If it's too much mill of the night, I'm going

803
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 3: to assume that I'm nowhere close to where he's living.

804
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 3: I'm assuming he's you know, on neighboring property or something

805
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 3: like that. But if he's close, my assumption is that

806
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 3: he's going to be up on his feet a lot

807
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 3: earlier on those conditions. So yeah, the short answer is absolutely,

808
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 3: I'm hunting some of my best spots where I have

809
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 3: a good target buck living on that day. I'm not

810
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: going to miss that one or haunt somewhere else.

811
00:43:54,680 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 2: Okay, same time of the year, middle of October and

812
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: you're out there hunting, I'm gonna say it's not that condition, though,

813
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: we're gonna say it kind of average temperatures for mid October,

814
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 2: somewhere between the fifteenth and let's put it between the

815
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: fourteenth and twentieth, somewhere in that window. And you're out

816
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: there and you spot a mature buck and several other

817
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 2: younger deer harassing a dough, like chasing her, the bucks

818
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: like the big boy standing around her, and you're seeing

819
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: like ruddy kind of stuff happening. But it's October sixteenth

820
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: or seventeenth or something like that. If you were to

821
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 2: see that on that evening hunt, how would that change

822
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: your scenario or how would that change your hunting strategy

823
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 2: if at all, for the next day or two? Or

824
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 2: does that factor in zero because you're not worried about

825
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 2: that behavior at this point, it would.

826
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 3: Change it from the standpoint of, Okay, he he's got

827
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 3: to at least know that that dough is close. You know,

828
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 3: a lot of times what you see during that timeframe

829
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: or maybe even a earlier, is the younger bucks doing it.

830
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 3: I mean, and I never really pay attention to them,

831
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 3: but those maturity are almost never wrong, and they just

832
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 3: they know. So if he was there standing next to

833
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 3: that though, and run another little bucks off. I know

834
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 3: there's something to it, and I know that he's probably

835
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 3: gonna follow her for however long, So it's going to

836
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 3: change my strategy from the standpoint of yeah, I know

837
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 3: where he's at, he's probably not going to go too far.

838
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 3: What is she going to do? Is she going to

839
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: be coming to this green food source? So she you know,

840
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 3: that's more or less how I'm gonna hunt him is

841
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 3: based on what she's going to do, because my guess

842
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 3: is that he's not going to go too far from

843
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 3: where she's at for a few days.

844
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, So so give me a little more detail in

845
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 2: the situation. Let's let's let's zoom forward. Say we're in November,

846
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 2: when we just know it's you know, it's on, and

847
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 2: you do spot a buck that you're after, locked on

848
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: a dough like he's doing all the things like he

849
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: used to said, he's he's scaring off every other buck.

850
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 2: He's standing over top of her in some little pocket

851
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: of brush. Everywhere she goes, he goes, So you know

852
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: what's happening. How do you try to kill a deer

853
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 2: in that situation? I know some people get super aggressive

854
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: in that case, and then some people actually get kind

855
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 2: of conservative and wait for him to break off almost

856
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: and start moving around more. What do you do in

857
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: that scenario?

858
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 3: And my experience, it is very very tough because a

859
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 3: lot of times that doe won't It just doesn't seem

860
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 3: like she does the normal things, like you know, maybe

861
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 3: every other doe is going to still go to the

862
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 3: food source same time, but she's going to lay up

863
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 3: in that thick cover so she can you know, at

864
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 3: least minimize the harassment from other deer other bucks. So

865
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 3: that's very very tough. I think during that timeframe, I

866
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 3: just want to be in a tree in the area

867
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 3: because you know, you obviously want to be there when

868
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: he if and when he breaks off. But if I

869
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 3: it's so situational. I think if if I could safely

870
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: hunt a nearby food source that she could potentially drag

871
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 3: him out to, I think that's probably what I'm gonna

872
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 3: focus on. It just becomes more about hunting her, like

873
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 3: I said, than it is about hunting him. Uh So

874
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 3: maybe it's I think in the evenings that's what I'm

875
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 3: gonna do on an afternoon hunt. I don't morning hunt.

876
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm gonna put myself in those spots to try

877
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 3: to catch him breaking away to go find another dough.

878
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 3: You know, maybe it's those good pinches or funnels or

879
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 3: down inside of bedding areas or whatever. But an evening hunt,

880
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 3: I've just seen it too often where she will get

881
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 3: antsy and need to go out and get some food

882
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 3: and he'll be right in toe. You know, we've probably

883
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,439
Speaker 3: all seen it. So that's probably the situation I'm gonna

884
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 3: put myself in, just based on odds thing and just

885
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 3: based on my personal experience. That's probably how I would

886
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 3: break it down. Is, you know, what's the food source

887
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 3: she's probably gonna go to. How can I hunt that

888
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 3: and hope that she just she just brings him by

889
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 3: with her.

890
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: She brings them by. Let's say you're sitting in your

891
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: evening spot. She comes out to the food source. She

892
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 2: got him in tow, but she brings him out of

893
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: range from you. So they're out there in the food source.

894
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: She's feeding, he's standing there. Maybe they're you know, let's

895
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: say one hundred yards away. You're up in a tree,

896
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: tons of thick cover. There's really thick brush underneath you

897
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 2: that kind of goes all the way around this little

898
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 2: food source. There's a couple of things maybe you could

899
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 2: do in this situation. Let's say that the wind direction

900
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 2: and speed and cover along the edge of the field

901
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 2: is such that you hypothetically could climb out of the

902
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: tree and try to stalk on him and round the

903
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 2: edge of that thing. You could also hypothetically call try

904
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 2: to pull him away. You could hypothetically do nothing at

905
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: all and just wait. But let's say all those things

906
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: are on the table, plus anything else you can think of.

907
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: What would you do in that scenario? Do you get

908
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,959
Speaker 2: aggressive because he's right there and he's going to be there,

909
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: or are you gonna play conservative?

910
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 3: Yeah? So I'm obviously purely going to speak on my

911
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 3: typical hunting situation, and that is that those chances come

912
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 3: and go, you know, very fleeting, like to have a

913
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,959
Speaker 3: target deer out in front of you. I don't hunt

914
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 3: enough acres and enough unpressured ground to let him do

915
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 3: his thing without trying something, because I may not get

916
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 3: another chance. Now if I was in a different situation

917
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 3: where and he's probably gonna do this again in a

918
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 3: few nights, if I don't mess it up, you know,

919
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 3: maybe I would think differently. But that's not my situation.

920
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 3: So my situation. I think first and foremost, I'm gonna

921
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 3: think about calling to him, even though it's a lot

922
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 3: lower odds, because he is with that dough, you can

923
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 3: sometimes get them to come just a little bit. Maybe

924
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 3: you only need him to come twenty five yards and

925
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 3: then he's in bow range. So again situational, I don't

926
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 3: know how far he is in this scenario. But the

927
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 3: other thing I'm considering on the calling is can he

928
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 3: get down wind of me to where if he does

929
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 3: make the big circle, am I gonna? Am I screwed?

930
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 3: Because there are certain situations where I just don't call,

931
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 3: because you know, every mature buck is likely gonna if

932
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 3: he's committing, he's gonna come in downwind of you, And

933
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 3: if you don't have a shot on the down wind

934
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 3: side or before he gets to the down wind side

935
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 3: or whatever, you have really really really limited your chances

936
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 3: of that scenario playing out successfully successfully. Again, you know

937
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 3: he's not gonna he's now been educated to that stand

938
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 3: location and you being in that tree. But if it's

939
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 3: stick enough cover below you, he may commit just a

940
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 3: little bit, not to completely leave that though, but just

941
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 3: to get a better look. He may not be coming

942
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 3: in for a full on commitment fight type of situation

943
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 3: where he's gonna circle down wind, but if you can

944
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 3: draw him just a little bit with curiosity, and probably

945
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 3: what I'm gonna either try is a grunt, caller, snort wheeze,

946
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 3: one of one of those two. You know, maybe I'd

947
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 3: start with a really non aggressive grunt just to see

948
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 3: if I can peak his curiosity, and I'd probably build

949
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 3: it into a snort wheeze if that wasn't successful, and

950
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 3: just see if I can just pull him up. Because

951
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 3: you know that situation where you were talking about earlier,

952
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 3: when it when it's the mid October or mid to

953
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 3: late October, and he is kind of with that though,

954
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 3: but you know, she's not quite in heat yet. I

955
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 3: think he's more likely to pull off of her temporarily

956
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 3: as as compared to you know, we're talking November eleventh

957
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 3: or whatever, and you know he is not letting her

958
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 3: get a few more than a few feet away, your

959
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 3: chances are probably a lot lower than so, you know,

960
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 3: obviously everything we talked about situational, but I think that's

961
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 3: what what I would try in that situation. Low odds,

962
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 3: but I'm not I'm not letting him just walk out

963
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 3: of there at those those chances are too few and

964
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 3: far between for me to just watch it happen.

965
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Okay, we're still in November. Let's say it's

966
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 2: that first week in November. This is a snare that

967
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: happened to a lot of us last year. First week

968
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 2: in November. You got your vacation time in Maybe this

969
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: is it. This is your big week and we've got

970
00:52:54,680 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 2: like seventy degree temperatures the whole week. Hot, creuddy. How

971
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 2: does your hunting strategy change at all for that time

972
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 2: of year? How does your approach? How does your mental

973
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 2: game change when you're stuck with hot temperatures for your

974
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 2: big rut trip in November.

975
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 3: I think in general, it affects us more than it

976
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 3: does the deer, you know. I think it's it becomes

977
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 3: mentally taxing on us because we just think that it's

978
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 3: not the perfect conditions. It's you know, we're not going

979
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 3: to see as many deer. They're just going to lay

980
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 3: there until dark or whatever it is. I think that

981
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 3: we paint a worse picture than it is. I think

982
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 3: they're still going to do their thing, you know, if

983
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 3: it's if it's noon on a hot day and he

984
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 3: needs to go find a dough. He's going to go

985
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 3: find a dough, you know. I think there's certain things

986
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 3: you can do to up your odds, though, like be

987
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 3: around water. I think they obviously will, you know, tend

988
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 3: to visit water, either water holes or creeks or whatever

989
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 3: to drink out of more frequently during those hot conditions.

990
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 3: But you know, if that's my vacation, I'm definitely not

991
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 3: sitting it out. And I've seen way too many big

992
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 3: deer and I've killed big deer on hot days to

993
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 3: think that I'm out of the game.

994
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: Okay, I like that. I feel the same way. I've

995
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 2: gone into so many hot November periods and been like

996
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 2: just bumming out in my head about it, and then

997
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 2: the deer prove the deer prove you wrong. Now, yeah,

998
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 2: sometimes they prove you right too. Let's stay with that

999
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 2: kind of mental side of things a little bit here,

1000
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 2: because I think one of the things that rained true

1001
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 2: for me a lot last year was just all the

1002
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 2: expectations we put on the RUT. I think we've all

1003
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 2: seen so many like hunting videos and we've heard so

1004
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 2: many stories about how amazing the rut is. That every

1005
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 2: year we go into it thinking it's going to be

1006
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 2: slammed dunk, It's going to be chaos the whole time.

1007
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 2: It's gonna be just like you know, we saw on

1008
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 2: Midwest White Deal, just like we saw on juries whatever.

1009
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 2: It is, right, And I think there probably are some

1010
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 2: places where it actually is like that all the time, maybe,

1011
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 2: but for most of us, for most of us, at

1012
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 2: least in my case and everything I've seen in my friends,

1013
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 2: you know, it's usually a whole lot of slower days

1014
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 2: punctuated by a few moments of that magic, you know.

1015
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 2: So let's say, though it's November seventh, which is one

1016
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 2: of those days that a lot of people point to

1017
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,919
Speaker 2: is like maybe the best day of the entire rut

1018
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 2: in a lot of the Midwest and a lot of

1019
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 2: the country. So let's say it's right in there, and

1020
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 2: they are very high hopes for it, very high expectations.

1021
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 2: It should be amazing. Conditions are good. Let's say it's cold,

1022
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 2: it's like in the forties, the winds just like the

1023
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: way you want it. Maybe there's been a little bit

1024
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 2: of snow over the last couple of days early in

1025
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 2: the morning when it's a little bit cold, So it

1026
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 2: just should be on but for the last three days,

1027
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 2: you've been sitting in a primo location, like a pinch

1028
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 2: point downwind of a doe betting area kind of situation

1029
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 2: that's like you couldn't paint any better and it's dead.

1030
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 2: You've sat three days in great rot conditions and you

1031
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 2: don't understand it, but you're just not seeing the activity

1032
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 2: that you should. What do you do in that kind

1033
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 2: of situation where like you're for some reason the rut

1034
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 2: seemingly is dead it should be on. How do you

1035
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 2: address that mentally? How do you change your strategy if

1036
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 2: at all? Or do you just stick it out because

1037
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 2: you know, like eventually it'll happen.

1038
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 3: Are we talking like a big property where there's multiple

1039
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 3: locations like that, like you know what, Let's say it

1040
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 3: is a down wind side of a really good betting area.

1041
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 3: We are we talking the property is big enough to

1042
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 3: have multiple of those type of spots. Are we are

1043
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 3: we talking about, Hey, this is your best thought that

1044
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 3: based on all your scouting, all your knowledge of the property, everything,

1045
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 3: this is the best spot you have.

1046
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 2: I'd be curious to hear your answer for both. Let's

1047
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 2: say there's one situation where you have other options and

1048
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 2: then one situation that is what you just described, like

1049
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 2: this is the one spot.

1050
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think in general the situation you described is

1051
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 3: the rut. If I could sum it up, you're either

1052
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 3: in the game you're out of the game, and that

1053
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 3: can change on a dime anytime. So my short answer is,

1054
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 3: I'm not going to get discouraged and think that there's

1055
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 3: something wrong with the spot if I haven't seen anything

1056
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 3: in three days. However, that is extremely mentally challenging to

1057
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 3: keep going to that spot over and over again. And

1058
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 3: so if I had other access to other spots on

1059
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 3: that property where potentially, you know, if I'm hunting a

1060
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,439
Speaker 3: target buck, he could be at that one or all

1061
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 3: the bucks in general, there could be a hot do

1062
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 3: over there that I have access to us just as

1063
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 3: good as a spot. I may pop over and try

1064
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 3: that if I'm able to, maybe maybe even just for

1065
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 3: a change of scenery and a confidence boost, just to

1066
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 3: get me back in the game. But I guess my

1067
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 3: short answer is that it's just I've seen it so

1068
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 3: many times where you just you can feel like you're

1069
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 3: so far out of the game, and then one morning

1070
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 3: it's just on fire and you see every buck within

1071
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 3: the neighborhood in that same spot that you just watched.

1072
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 3: You know, you saw three der in five days. It's

1073
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 3: just it's just the nature of the rut. That's why

1074
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 3: it can be so challenging. But it's also such a

1075
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 3: fun time when when it does happen, it's it kind

1076
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 3: of makes up for all the slow times. But it

1077
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 3: can be it can be slower than you know, that

1078
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 3: October low timeframe, you know that you were describing. If

1079
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 3: you're just not in the right just and a lot

1080
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 3: of it's luck. It's just the the nature of of

1081
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 3: you know, where the hot though come into play, and

1082
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 3: you know where the bucks kind of run them off to,

1083
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 3: and you know a lot of different factors like that

1084
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 3: that can be out of your control. But I guess

1085
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 3: my short answer for the question is, don't just get

1086
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 3: discouraged by the spot just because of the lack of activity.

1087
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the rut is kind of like the

1088
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 2: way my wife describes pregnancy in that you uh, you

1089
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 2: you know, my wife had had one of our babies

1090
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 2: and it was like the worst thing ever, right, so

1091
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 2: painful and so hard and all that kind of stuff.

1092
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 2: But like a few weeks later, she completely forgot about

1093
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 2: the bad stuff and only remember the good stuff. And

1094
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of how it is with the

1095
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 2: rut probably for us, right, we forget all those miserable

1096
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 2: long days and all we remember is like the twenty

1097
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 2: seven minutes that were incredible, And so when the next

1098
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 2: year rolls around, like, oh man, it's gonna be incredible,

1099
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 2: and we just forgot about those other fifteen days.

1100
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. But it's expectations too, like you described,

1101
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 3: it's you know, when we think about November, we have

1102
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 3: a certain picture in our mind based on on what

1103
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 3: we've seen or watched or whatever. So the expectations can

1104
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 3: be a little bit skewed there. But yeah, I agree,

1105
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 3: and you can you can quickly forget about all those

1106
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 3: slow times.

1107
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, So speaking of like sitting one spot for a while,

1108
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 2: I know I think this is correct, Correct me if

1109
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 2: I'm wrong. But I think last year, on November thirteenth,

1110
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 2: you killed a buck and you had sat that same

1111
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 2: stand for three days in a row.

1112
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 3: Correct.

1113
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 2: So I'm curious what is the situation that has to

1114
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 2: be in place for you to sit one place for

1115
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 2: that many days in a row. Because I know you've

1116
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 2: talked about in the past liking to bounce around a

1117
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 2: decent bit. I know a lot of people you don't

1118
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 2: like to do that for good reason. They don't want

1119
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 2: to burn out a spot. So what scenario would you like?

1120
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 2: You know, just like just just bum rush a stand

1121
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 2: over and over and over again like that.

1122
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 3: Two things access and confidence in the spot. So your

1123
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 3: access is probably the first thing that I would say.

1124
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 3: Your access has to be so good to be able

1125
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 3: to hunt a spot over and over again without decreasing

1126
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 3: the effectiveness of it or how good of a spot.

1127
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:22,919
Speaker 3: It is really fast, even when you're not spooking deer.

1128
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 3: You know, just by hunting a spot, there's some residual

1129
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 3: effect to you being there, you know, whether a deer

1130
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 3: comes by later that evening or the next day or

1131
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 3: two days. I mean, there's there's definitely some residual from

1132
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 3: you coming in and out of that spot. Maybe you

1133
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 3: laid your gear on the ground before you climbed up,

1134
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 3: or whatever it is. You're having an impact on that spot.

1135
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 3: So your access up to the tree, getting in from

1136
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 3: where you're parking, all the way up to the tree

1137
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 3: and back out again. You know, I think sometimes people

1138
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 3: think about getting or or forget to think about the

1139
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 3: getting out part. They can get in clean, but they

1140
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 3: forget about the access out and where the deer going

1141
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 3: to be, you know, six hours later after you came in.

1142
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 3: So in and out has to be the number one

1143
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 3: factor for hunting a spot over and over again. Otherwise

1144
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 3: each time you hunt it, you're going to see fewer

1145
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 3: and fewer deer, and especially in mature bugs. The second

1146
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 3: thing is the confidence in that spot. So that's the

1147
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 3: example that you brought up, is I knew at some

1148
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 3: point that deer had to come by that tree based

1149
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 3: on the terrain, based on where the primary betting areas were.

1150
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 3: If he's checking these areas, eventually he's going to come

1151
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 3: by this spot, just because of the way the creek

1152
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 3: funnels and how it was pretty much in between two

1153
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 3: of the best betting areas I know about. So my

1154
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 3: confidence in that I was able to tell myself just

1155
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 3: be in the tree, just be there. Eventually it's going

1156
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 3: to play out. Keep keep going there as long as

1157
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 3: the wind directions right. And I was fortunate that had

1158
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 3: three straight days of some type of westerly wind. It

1159
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 3: did vary from southwest to northwest, but as long as

1160
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 3: the wind is right, you need to be in that

1161
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 3: tree because my confidence in that spot. So I think

1162
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 3: those are probably the two things that I would quickly

1163
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 3: point to to where I'm not going to bounce around.

1164
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 3: I have enough faith that that's that's where I need

1165
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 3: to be.

1166
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 2: You killed them one day, three what like how many

1167
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 2: more days? If you didn't kill him that day? How

1168
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 2: much more time do you think you would have given it?

1169
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 2: Assuming that the wind stayed good.

1170
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 3: I would have probably kept I probably would have kept going.

1171
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe I would have found another spot that

1172
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 3: was a similar setup along that creek that wear it

1173
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 3: pinched down and you know, maybe he was having not

1174
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 3: seen him for four or five, six days whatever, you know,

1175
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 3: knowing that he's around, but maybe he's just not coming

1176
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 3: by this, but maybe he's beering off to where I

1177
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 3: can't see him somewhere. I'd maybe it just but but man,

1178
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 3: I had so much confidence that he was eventually going

1179
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 3: to walk by. Maybe he'd be slightly out of boat range,

1180
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 3: but so much confidence I was eventually going to see

1181
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 3: him from that tree. So I'd like to think I

1182
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 3: would have just stuck with it and just you know,

1183
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 3: just assume that maybe he was with the dough that's

1184
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 3: why I wasn't seeing him or you know something, I

1185
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 3: just knew if he was searching, he was going to

1186
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 3: come by that tree.

1187
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it certainly worked out the way he wanted to.

1188
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just that's one of those spots. I don't

1189
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say every property has one, but

1190
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 3: probably probably more properties than a guy thinks has one

1191
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 3: of those spots. It's just access has to be really good.

1192
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 3: And that's that's probably the biggest challenge in most guys face,

1193
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 3: is being able to get in out clean enough that

1194
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 3: you're not affecting the quality of the hunting.

1195
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, December, we're now in the late season,

1196
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 2: and let's say you still haven't filled your tag yet,

1197
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:15,919
Speaker 2: and for whatever reason, you have lost access to any

1198
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 2: of your properties that have ag on them or food plots,

1199
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 2: so you're stuck hunting properties that are just timber, old fields,

1200
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 2: swamp grass, stuff like that. Basically, I'm trying to put

1201
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 2: you in a situation that you know, most people would

1202
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 2: not want, right because December is when we all want

1203
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 2: to hit. We want to hunt those standing food sources

1204
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 2: or whatever. But let's say you just don't have that,

1205
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 2: what would you try to do in that scenario to

1206
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 2: get a deer killed.

1207
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 3: So the and I've been in these situations before, you know,

1208
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 3: when it comes to the late season, and especially here

1209
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 3: in Iowa, that early December through mid December time frame

1210
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 3: is probably the most pressure the deer face all season.

1211
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 3: It's the two and a half weeks of shotgun season

1212
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 3: where everyone's out pushing them around, just NonStop pressure, and

1213
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 3: they're moving to the best cover that they had that

1214
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 3: time of year, and there's not much of it obviously

1215
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,919
Speaker 3: being late season, but they're finding those areas where they're

1216
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 3: not disturbed and they're pretty much going to stay in

1217
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 3: those spots through the end of the season here in

1218
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 3: Iowa the end of the season of January tenth. So

1219
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 3: a deer, especially mature buck, is cover. I think I

1220
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 3: think it is probably higher priority than easy access to food.

1221
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 3: I think a deer will travel a long ways, even

1222
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 3: if it's after dark to get to that food, and

1223
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 3: they'll be back in the safety of cover before daylight.

1224
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 3: But if that cover that's a mile away or half

1225
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 3: mile away is the best cover and a lot better

1226
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 3: cover than the stuff that's acent to the feeding area,

1227
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 3: they still think they're going to be in that cover.

1228
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna look for areas like that. You know,

1229
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 3: I don't have the food, but maybe I might have

1230
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 3: the cover. Maybe I'm gonna have some of those little

1231
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 3: pockets that that didn't get disturbed or those pockets that

1232
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 3: the deer potentially moved into during those pressure days or

1233
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 3: weeks of the of the gun season. So long distance

1234
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 3: scouting and trail cameras are probably gonna be my two

1235
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 3: best friends with regards to finding those spots and finding

1236
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 3: the deer in those spots. And then it's just, uh,

1237
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 3: it's just the challenge of figuring out how to get

1238
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 3: to them and how to catch the deer coming out

1239
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 3: of them. You know, you usually can guess where the

1240
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 3: nearest food source is even if you don't have access

1241
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 3: to it. You know, maybe you can drive right before

1242
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 3: before dark and see all the does that are out there.

1243
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 3: That's probably where he's going to be going at some point.

1244
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 3: But if you can get close enough to that thick cover,

1245
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 3: you'll have a good chance of catching him in the daylight,

1246
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 3: especially if he has a decent ways to go, He's

1247
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 3: probably gonna get up and at least start moving around

1248
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 3: somewhat early. Even if he doesn't hit the opening until

1249
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:19,480
Speaker 3: after dark. So that's that's probably how I play that situation.

1250
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 3: I can't think of any specific examples to go off of,

1251
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 3: but I've certainly had that. I mean, I haven't always

1252
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 3: had access to properties where I could plant food or

1253
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 3: do anything like that, So it's it's a common scenario.

1254
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 2: Let's let's flip it a little bit and give you

1255
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 2: the food back. So let's say you now have properties

1256
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 2: with crops. But let's say that you were after Let's

1257
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 2: let's bring back our mega giant buck. Let's say he

1258
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 2: was around all year. Now you hunted him off fall,

1259
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 2: never could catch up with him, and then during gun

1260
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 2: season someone kills him finally, so he gets killed during

1261
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 2: that December gun season. And now you've devoted the last

1262
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 2: two and a half months or whatever to that deer.

1263
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 2: Now you're picking up the pieces and have to like

1264
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 2: start from square one. And let's say now you have

1265
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 2: to find a new deer to target. It's late season.

1266
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:20,600
Speaker 2: Is it just kind of what you just described, but

1267
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 2: now you're glass and fields and putting cameras on fields

1268
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 2: to try to find something new or what does that

1269
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 2: specifically look like when you are now hunting you know,

1270
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 2: like you just said, very pressured deer, and you're trying

1271
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 2: to kind of refigure them out because you've been ignoring

1272
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,839
Speaker 2: everything else as you were focused on this one deer elsewhere.

1273
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:39,679
Speaker 2: What does that look like now?

1274
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 3: But I still have the food in this or I

1275
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 3: do have the food in this scenario.

1276
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:44,919
Speaker 2: You do have food in this scenario.

1277
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 3: So if you do have the food, you still got

1278
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 3: to have the cover obviously, like the scenario I just

1279
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 3: laid out. The reason I end up hunting a lot

1280
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 3: of times on the food source during late season is

1281
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 3: because it gets too hard to access anything else. You know,

1282
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 3: all the foolage has gone. The deer pressured. A lot

1283
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 3: of times, they're they're kind of grouped up, and there's

1284
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 3: you have a lot of a lot of eyes and

1285
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:17,759
Speaker 3: ears and noses in a small area compared to earlier

1286
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 3: in the season. Earlier in the season, I'd prefer almost

1287
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 3: to not be you know, I spent a lot of

1288
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 3: time playing food plots for myself and for other guys.

1289
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,839
Speaker 3: I haven't killed that many deer on the food plots

1290
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 3: in my career. You know, a lot of times I

1291
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 3: think the biggest benefit, well, a couple of things I

1292
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 3: love food plotting just because it's you know, I love

1293
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 3: seeing things grow, I love the experimentation of it, all

1294
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 3: that type stuff. But the primary hunting benefit for me

1295
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 3: is just keeping the deer around and on or near

1296
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 3: the property for a longer period of time in the

1297
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,680
Speaker 3: season as opposed to not having the food and they

1298
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 3: have to go somewhere else to find it. But I'd

1299
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 3: still always rather hunt them going to or from it

1300
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 3: if I can. But late season I tend to be

1301
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 3: on the food just because it's hard to get into

1302
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 3: those other spots. But yeah, finding the deer in that case,

1303
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 3: if I'm starting over to find the deer, I'm obviously

1304
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 3: gonna have cameras on the food source and and just

1305
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 3: watch them, you know, try to find a spot where

1306
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 3: you can see long ways. Maybe it's multiple food sources.

1307
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 3: Maybe you have a cornfield you can watch them, a

1308
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 3: bean field you can watch you know, whether it's the

1309
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 3: picked standing doesn't matter, they're all they're all good food

1310
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 3: sources at that time frame. But yeah, because of the

1311
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 3: way I hunt, I'm still gonna want to find a

1312
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 3: deer to go after and not just not just sit

1313
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 3: a random food source hoping something comes out that I

1314
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 3: want to shoot.

1315
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 2: So let's say you spot them, you spot when you're like, yeah,

1316
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 2: that's that's one. I'll I'll take a stab at. Let's

1317
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 2: say you have a decent number of other bowhunters still

1318
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 2: around this area, so you find one. You found a

1319
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 2: pocket where these deer deers still feel safe, but you know,

1320
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 2: like there's gonna be other guys in and around here still,

1321
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 2: so this isn't This might not stay a secret forever.

1322
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,679
Speaker 2: And now we're down to those final days of the season.

1323
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 2: Let's push it later into the late season. We're down

1324
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 2: to maybe you've got like seven to ten days left

1325
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:24,600
Speaker 2: of the season. You find one, you know there's a

1326
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 2: chance other guys are gonna be in and around here.

1327
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 2: I know a lot of us, at least I'm assuming

1328
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 2: you maybe not, but I'm assuming you would love there

1329
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 2: to be a big cold front or some snow or

1330
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 2: something coming in that'd like make it very likely he's

1331
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 2: gonna come out. But let's say that's not in the

1332
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 2: forecast at all and we're just not seeing that yet.

1333
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 2: Are you going to keep waiting and waiting and waiting

1334
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 2: and hope that happens before the last day of the season,

1335
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 2: or are you going to start taking a swing because

1336
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 2: you have to because the season is running out, and

1337
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 2: there's also other guys that might be poking in this

1338
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 2: weekend when that comes up too.

1339
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure taking a swing. I mean, if you

1340
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 3: don't with a few days left, you're you're almost just saying, hey,

1341
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 3: I'll get him next year. And there's so much that

1342
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 3: can happen between you know, then and your next opportunity

1343
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 3: that Again, it is just I don't have that type

1344
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 3: of situation where I could just throw my hands up

1345
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 3: and throwing a towel. But I think specifically what I

1346
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:29,959
Speaker 3: would do is probably try to get closer some way, somehow,

1347
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 3: whether it's even if it's having to hunt on the ground,

1348
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:38,679
Speaker 3: get closer to where he is entering the food source,

1349
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 3: get closer to where he's leaving the bedding area, whatever

1350
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 3: it is. You have to get aggressive there. At least

1351
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 3: in my eyes, you have to, just because your your

1352
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 3: chances of that happening in the last few days. By

1353
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,639
Speaker 3: sitting and not being aggressive, it just seems it would

1354
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 3: have already happened likely if if you're if it's going

1355
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,839
Speaker 3: to you know, sitting in the same spot or watching

1356
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,839
Speaker 3: from a distance, hoping he's eventually gonna come into Bowt range.

1357
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna get aggressive there, whether

1358
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 3: it's moving stand locations or hunting from the ground, even

1359
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 3: even potentially trying a morning hunt. You know that that'd

1360
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 3: be something that maybe guys don't think about during the

1361
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 3: late season, is it's it's evening. It's evening. But maybe

1362
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 3: you can get in super early through the back door

1363
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 3: and just be in there waiting for him, and maybe

1364
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 3: you don't beat him in, but maybe he gets up,

1365
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 3: you know, mid morning to stretch his legs and mosey

1366
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 3: around a little bit, or maybe you switch his betting

1367
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 3: locations based on a wind switch or something. So I'm

1368
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 3: gonna try to get creative on what I could do

1369
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 3: to make it happen those last few.

1370
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 2: Days you mentioned liking to hunt those evenings, you know,

1371
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:55,680
Speaker 2: on the food or right around that stuff. What's your

1372
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:56,759
Speaker 2: what's your approach?

1373
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 3: Now?

1374
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 2: I know every property, every situation is going to be different,

1375
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 2: but what kinds of things work for you for exit strategies?

1376
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 2: You know, on the food late season, a lot of

1377
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 2: deer out there. Hunting on the food is really hard,

1378
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 2: especially like you know, you get crunchy snow or crunchy leaves.

1379
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 2: It's cold out. It's hard to beat the eyes, let

1380
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 2: alone the ears too. What kinds of things have you

1381
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 2: found work in that? You know? Harder about as hard

1382
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 2: as it gets, as far as the exit on food

1383
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 2: will be the late season exits unless you have you know,

1384
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 2: the car or someone driving up that kind of thing.

1385
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 2: What kind of things have you found to work?

1386
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 3: So I lost you for a few seconds just to

1387
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 3: make sure I have got you back at the end.

1388
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 3: So are you asking about how what have I seen

1389
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 3: to get out of tricky situations? Late season started getting

1390
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 3: out at night?

1391
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're hunting close to the food, how are

1392
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 2: you exiting safely without destroying the whole thing?

1393
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 3: Yeah? Very very tough. I'd say more often than not,

1394
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 3: if I'm in a situation, I try to not put

1395
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 3: myself in those situations. Is by you know, creating a

1396
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 3: good entry exit spot. You know, maybe I have a

1397
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 3: screen you know, covering the food source and my hunting

1398
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 3: locations that I can when I climb down I'm out

1399
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 3: of sight, or maybe it's a hill that I'm coming

1400
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 3: down the backside, or maybe my stand drops right down

1401
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 3: to a ditch. Whatever it is, but certainly that's not

1402
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 3: always a case. I have shot doze before, you know,

1403
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 3: to clear the field, just shoot a dough that's close by.

1404
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 3: A lot of times the rest of the deer don't

1405
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 3: really know what happened. I'd rather have all the deer

1406
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,639
Speaker 3: run off because of a noise and all the other

1407
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:44,719
Speaker 3: deer running then them sit there and watch me climb

1408
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 3: down from a tree or climb out of the blind.

1409
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 3: So as long as I have an easy way of

1410
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 3: getting their in and out, you know, maybe I have

1411
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 3: you know, I like using an electric four wheel UTV

1412
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 3: or equad to be pretty quiet. If I have that

1413
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 3: part clearby, I can shoot her and make a good shot.

1414
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 3: Maybe it's a close shot. I know she's not going

1415
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 3: to go far. I can get in hook onto her

1416
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 3: and get out of there quick before. A lot of

1417
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 3: times the deer will be back in that plot in

1418
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 3: half an hour, you know, they're not bothered by it.

1419
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,679
Speaker 3: Other times I'm just forced to wait until well after

1420
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 3: dark and then just go really slow from there and

1421
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 3: just kind of take your chances. There's you know, sometimes

1422
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 3: if you just don't have good exit, you're you're you're

1423
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 3: just doing the least amount of damage kind of taking

1424
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 3: the lesser of two evils. And for me, the deer

1425
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 3: seem to relax a lot after dark. It seems like

1426
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:46,719
Speaker 3: you get away, you know, either after dark or before daylight,

1427
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 3: you can get away with a lot more. And that

1428
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 3: tends to be the case. Sometimes I'll wait hour hour

1429
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 3: and a half after dark where I can't even you know,

1430
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 3: see my hand in front of my face, and then

1431
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 3: I'll just go really slow and try to try not

1432
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,719
Speaker 3: to make noise. And you know, a lot of times

1433
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 3: I think the deer aren't bothered at all. They they

1434
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 3: may or may not be able to see you, I

1435
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 3: don't know, but they don't seem to act the same

1436
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 3: as they do in the daylight in terms of spooking.

1437
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 3: So those are probably the main things if I get

1438
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 3: stuck in a situation like that.

1439
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always a doozy.

1440
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 3: I've tried the kyo kyo calls or howling with your mouth.

1441
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,679
Speaker 3: Sometimes that works, but you're still drawing attention to where

1442
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 3: you're at. You know, even if they may you may

1443
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 3: get lucky and they think it actually is a kyo,

1444
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 3: it still is that spot you're hoping to go to

1445
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:42,679
Speaker 3: tomorrow night, you know. So I don't love that one.

1446
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 3: And sometimes they just look at you and you're not

1447
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 3: close enough to scare them anyway, so they just keep feeding.

1448
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 2: And you sound so awful. They're looking up in the

1449
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 2: tree and saying, look at that idiot humans.

1450
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 3: That's the reality. Probably.

1451
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, man, Well you made it through the gauntlet.

1452
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:06,759
Speaker 2: You survived. Great, great insight. There. I've got one last

1453
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 2: thing for which is like the rapid fire session, where

1454
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you a series of quick questions

1455
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 2: and you have to answer with a one word answer. Effectively,

1456
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 2: you can't explain yourself. You just have to give me

1457
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 2: your first quick, gut instinct answer to these and then

1458
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:24,880
Speaker 2: followed by one normal question after that. So good for that.

1459
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 3: Let's do it, all right?

1460
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 2: So, would you take a fifty yard shot at a

1461
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 2: white tail with a bow? Yes?

1462
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 3: Or no? It's situational, but I'm just gonna go with no.

1463
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,919
Speaker 2: Ok. If you could only have one of these tools

1464
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 2: for the rest of your hunts, for the rest of

1465
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 2: your life, you can only pick one of these. Which

1466
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 2: one would you pick? Would it be a grunt tube

1467
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 2: or set of rat ling antlers?

1468
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 3: Got two.

1469
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 2: Expandable or fixed blade broadheads.

1470
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 3: In situational, but I'm gonna go fix blade.

1471
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 2: Okay, should you stop a buck with some kind of

1472
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 2: sound before shooting if it's you know, walking, Yes or no.

1473
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:13,719
Speaker 3: If it's walking, I'm gonna go yes.

1474
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:18,680
Speaker 2: Does the moon matter for deer movement? Yes or no?

1475
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 3: Yes?

1476
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 2: All right, here's the lengthier one. Let's say that I

1477
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:32,719
Speaker 2: rule the world and I have control over your hunting

1478
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 2: privileges for the rest of your life, and I am

1479
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 2: going to take away your hunting license in Iowa and

1480
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 2: any other state you could want to go to forever

1481
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 2: unless you can kill a five and a half year old,

1482
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:51,600
Speaker 2: like you know, a shooter buck, the buck that you

1483
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 2: would shoot in Iowa, whatever that might be, a big

1484
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 2: giant deer that you would shoot. You have to kill

1485
01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:01,679
Speaker 2: a deer of that caliber this year. If you don't

1486
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 2: kill that deer this year, you lose your privileges forever.

1487
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 2: If you do kill that deer, you get to keep

1488
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 2: on hunting forever. Here's the thing, though, I'm only going

1489
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 2: to give you one day to kill that buck. You

1490
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 2: get one day, and you get to pick one stand location.

1491
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 2: So tell me what date on the calendar you would

1492
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 2: pick for this day, and then describe for me. This

1493
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 2: can either be an actual tree stand location or place

1494
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 2: you've actually hunted, or this can be like a hypothetical,

1495
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 2: make believe perfect situation that you'd want for that date.

1496
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 2: So tell me the date you're going to pick, and

1497
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 2: paint me a picture of what that best possible stand

1498
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 2: site could be to get this buck killed in this

1499
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 2: very very high pressure situation.

1500
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 3: That's a tough one. One quick clarifying question, is this

1501
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 3: any shooter buck or is this a specific shooter buck.

1502
01:21:55,439 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 2: I'll let it be. We'll let it be any shooter buck,

1503
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 2: but I am curious if you had to pick a

1504
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 2: specific shooter buck how that would change this, because that's

1505
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 2: interesting to me too.

1506
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 3: It may not change it a ton. And I'll give

1507
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 3: you two kind of answers on this one. Probably the

1508
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 3: one i'm gonna pick for this question because I don't

1509
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 3: want you taking away the hunting rights forever. I'm gonna

1510
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 3: pick probably the less fun scenario, but the more effective scenario.

1511
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 3: It's probably going to be that late season hunt on food.

1512
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 3: You know, let's say January fifth, snow, cold weather, the

1513
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:35,680
Speaker 3: deer just have to feed, They have to feed, they

1514
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:38,759
Speaker 3: have to feed early. It's hot pressure. You know everything

1515
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:41,719
Speaker 3: we talk about. I think your odds are so high

1516
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 3: that every deer's going to be in that food source

1517
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 3: in daylight. Every deer that's living near that food source

1518
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 3: is going to be there. It's not what I would

1519
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 3: pick if I was, you know, just wanting the most fun,

1520
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 3: most exciting hunt, if I'm going that direction, and I

1521
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,639
Speaker 3: want to, but it's still any buck, Like I still

1522
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 3: just need to kill any five and a half year

1523
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 3: old deer. I'm gonna pick let's say November I go

1524
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 3: a little bit later. I'll go like November sixteenth, you know,

1525
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 3: kind of on the back side of that where the

1526
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 3: deer really starting to search for those last few days,

1527
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 3: or maybe even November eighteenth, a little bit later. But

1528
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna, you know, pick a really good pinch that's

1529
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 3: obviously gonna give me a good chance at a bow

1530
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:40,799
Speaker 3: range shot that's close to dough betting areas and areas

1531
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 3: that those deer are going to keep seeking. I think

1532
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 3: that's a lot more fun hunt, but still high odds,

1533
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 3: just not quite high odds, high enough odds compared to

1534
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 3: the late season need to feed type of hunt. As

1535
01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 3: far as the individual buck versus any mature buck yeah,

1536
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 3: any immature I'm not going to take. If I'm trying

1537
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 3: to kill an individual book, I'm not going to pick

1538
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 3: that November day. I'm for sure going to go late season,

1539
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 3: or potentially my next option might be late October, perfect conditions,

1540
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 3: cold front, of high pressure, all that type of stuff

1541
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 3: for that individual, that one specific target book.

1542
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 2: So for that January fifth hunt, you said, you know,

1543
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 2: by food, cold, snowy day, what would like that perfect

1544
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 2: standsite be though? You know, how how would you like

1545
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 2: that's that's both season for you guys too, right, So

1546
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:39,720
Speaker 2: how would you set up perfectly? You know, a lot

1547
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 2: a lot of big late season food sources can be

1548
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 2: hard with a bow because they're big, a big beanfield

1549
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 2: or something. Right, how'd you get it done from that scenario?

1550
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 3: That goes way back to your initial design stages on

1551
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 3: the on the food line, how it sets up. You

1552
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 3: know a lot of times if you're if you're in

1553
01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 3: a bigger field that is obviously too big to just boha,

1554
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 3: you can't cover the whole thing. Most likely still the

1555
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 3: deer gonna enter and exit, or let's just say enter,

1556
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:11,720
Speaker 3: because that's normally what you're you're playing off of. They're

1557
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 3: still going to enter in specific spots. Maybe it's one area,

1558
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 3: maybe it's two areas, whatever, it's not like they're coming

1559
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 3: from three hundred and sixty degrees around that. So in

1560
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 3: that case, you know, a lot of times I'll try

1561
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 3: to maybe set up the plot to where it's narrow

1562
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 3: and then expands out, because you can't just have one

1563
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 3: super long, narrow plot that's going to provide enough food

1564
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 3: to last to January fifth, but you need something that's

1565
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 3: gonna keep on by that so that you know. Different

1566
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 3: things that I've done or tried or have helped other

1567
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:48,719
Speaker 3: people set up would be that situation where it's narrow

1568
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 3: at first and you're almost letting the deer work by you,

1569
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 3: and then you know out into the bigger part and

1570
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 3: that allows you to normally sneak out back that other

1571
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 3: way too. That's one. Or you could have either an

1572
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 3: L shape where you're on the corner of the L.

1573
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 3: A lot of times deer will you know to see

1574
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 3: what other deer in the plot or whatever they're eventually

1575
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 3: going to come by that middle point, or you can

1576
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 3: you know, hour glasst to where it pinches them down

1577
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 3: in the middle. Different things like that. Other scenarios if

1578
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 3: you're not lucky enough to design the shape of it,

1579
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:27,599
Speaker 3: would be you know, scrape posts out within bow range.

1580
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 3: Even late in the season like that, there's still good

1581
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 3: chances deer at least gonna just come check it out

1582
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 3: out of curiosity. Just says more of a scent check

1583
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:41,360
Speaker 3: or whatever. Other thing you could do is maybe overseed.

1584
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 3: Let's say it it is a grain field. You could

1585
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:48,639
Speaker 3: potentially overseed some some greens, whether it be cereal grains

1586
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 3: or brascas or something into a spot that is in

1587
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:54,559
Speaker 3: bow range. So you have this big field, but you know,

1588
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 3: deer are naturally browsers, so a lot of times they'll

1589
01:26:57,520 --> 01:26:59,719
Speaker 3: they'll feed the grain, they'll come get a bite of green.

1590
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:02,640
Speaker 3: You know, they'll kind of go back and forth, but

1591
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:07,719
Speaker 3: put something there. Another one would be you have a big,

1592
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:11,679
Speaker 3: let's say, swebean field, and you go in in August

1593
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:14,599
Speaker 3: and you till up you know, strips, Maybe there's spokes

1594
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:17,600
Speaker 3: of a wheel that all come back and meet to

1595
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 3: where you're hunting. Location is whether it's a blind or

1596
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 3: a tree stand. Eventually they're going to hit those and

1597
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 3: kind of use those as travel paths. So a lot

1598
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 3: a lot of different things you can do it's just

1599
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 3: it's pretty situational, and I'd probably look at a spot

1600
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 3: each time and you know, try to decide what's best

1601
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 3: for that particular spot. But a lot of things you

1602
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 3: can do to try to get a deer to eventually

1603
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 3: be within bow range at some point in that evening

1604
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,480
Speaker 3: to work past your stand or blind.

1605
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 2: I like your plan. I think you get it done.

1606
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 2: It's it's a nightmare scenario kind of. But also like

1607
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 2: when I listen to people's answers, especially like yours, when

1608
01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:58,600
Speaker 2: you when you're talking through all the different things you

1609
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 2: could do, would in a weird way, it would be

1610
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 2: a pretty fun challenge just to take, you know, to

1611
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 2: have like hundreds of days of work to try to

1612
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:10,680
Speaker 2: fine tune down to just one day to execute. It

1613
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 2: would be an interesting challenge to try to pull off.

1614
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 3: I think you should do.

1615
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 2: Stacking every little thing. I guess I should should taste

1616
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 2: the poison I've been sending out that I would.

1617
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 3: I would watch that series. It would be fun, especially

1618
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 3: like it'd be cool if you gave like some type

1619
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 3: of deadline to a guy to where he had to

1620
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:37,560
Speaker 3: pick either the property or the deer he had to

1621
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 3: kill on that day and and see how it changes,

1622
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 3: like how much additional scouting he does, how many more

1623
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 3: observation sits he does like leading up to that date?

1624
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 3: That would be pretty cool.

1625
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah would Yeah, that is is a really good idea.

1626
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:56,759
Speaker 3: I'm not volunteering, you just wouldn't want.

1627
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 2: To sacrifice all those days hunting or Another thing I

1628
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 2: thought about too, would be like what if you restricted

1629
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:05,720
Speaker 2: people to like, hey, you could only hunt October and

1630
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:07,640
Speaker 2: you have to get it all done October, or you

1631
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:09,559
Speaker 2: could only hunt November and you can't. So how would

1632
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 2: that change your strategy and your scouting and all your plans,

1633
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 2: Like if you were pushed into different parts of the

1634
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 2: season too.

1635
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 3: I would love to see it because I think, and

1636
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 3: I'm not saying people are lying, but I think the

1637
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 3: way we talk about it, it would be interesting to

1638
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 3: see if you actually had to do it, if that

1639
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 3: backed up what you thought in your head you would do,

1640
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 3: because I bet more often that it'd be different. I

1641
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:34,759
Speaker 3: think it's easier to talk about than you are forced

1642
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 3: to do it. You may do things completely differently.

1643
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:40,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, can you imagine, like if you had

1644
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 2: no November to be kind of using as a crutch,

1645
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 2: you know, knowing that November's coming and you just had October.

1646
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 2: I mean, you'd be taking some big swings. You'd be ye,

1647
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 2: be really interesting, And.

1648
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 3: There are certain situations where that may be more effective

1649
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:57,840
Speaker 3: for a guy. You know, it would not be fun

1650
01:29:57,880 --> 01:30:00,679
Speaker 3: in a situation you have multiple tags, you still can't November.

1651
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:03,519
Speaker 3: But for guys that have one tag, you know, very

1652
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 3: limited spots to hunt, you know, maybe you would serve

1653
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 3: them better to be more aggressive early on. Yeah, it

1654
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 3: could be a better situation. So that'd be pretty cool.

1655
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 2: It would be interesting. Well, Jared, this is a This

1656
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 2: has been fun. I enjoyed it, really really good insight

1657
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 2: you shared there, and it's got me even more jacked

1658
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 2: up than I was beforehand, which is hard to believe

1659
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 2: because I'm pretty amped. Yeah. Man, you had a hell

1660
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 2: of a season last year. You killed like one hundred

1661
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 2: and ninety four inch buck, I think a one seventy,

1662
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 2: which is like a dream deer for me, like matching

1663
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 2: flyers off the twos. I think it was at the

1664
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 2: threes something like that. Then another big old late season Buck.

1665
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you can match it this year?

1666
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 2: Do you feel like, uh no, you can't match it?

1667
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 2: Do you have do you feel like across your new farm,

1668
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 2: I mean that it's not new anymore, but across your

1669
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:58,760
Speaker 2: home farm or your other permissions and things like that,

1670
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:02,519
Speaker 2: you feel optimistic about what's coming up or where do

1671
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:03,080
Speaker 2: things stand.

1672
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am, I'm super excited. Like a lot of times,

1673
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 3: it gets back to what we were talking about at

1674
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 3: the beginning, you know, just just there were times where

1675
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 3: this time of year I was still so stressed about

1676
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 3: what had to be done and what. Now I'm a

1677
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 3: little bit past that to where I'm very excited just

1678
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 3: to get out and then getting a tree stand again

1679
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:29,679
Speaker 3: and enjoy it. I think there's there's certainly potential, there's

1680
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 3: good prospects around. But regardless, I'm I'm just super excited

1681
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:36,639
Speaker 3: to be back in a tree and hunting and chasing

1682
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 3: some of these deer. And yeah, things are looking good.

1683
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:42,840
Speaker 3: It seems like it's this Most of my properties aren't

1684
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:44,760
Speaker 3: great summer properties, so I don't have a ton of

1685
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:47,680
Speaker 3: really good ones on camera yet, but they're slowly but

1686
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 3: surely starting to show up. These next thirty days for

1687
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:54,719
Speaker 3: me are always really good as far as deer popping

1688
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:56,800
Speaker 3: back in for the first time. They start to make

1689
01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:00,160
Speaker 3: a few excursions here and there before moving back in

1690
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 3: full time, you know, later in September early October. But

1691
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 3: this is the time frame where I get to see

1692
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 3: him for the first time. They may pop in and

1693
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 3: you know, maybe it's just for a night, but at

1694
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:12,639
Speaker 3: least get to see what they look like this year.

1695
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 2: Cool. Well that's exciting. Yeah, Well, where can people follow

1696
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:18,680
Speaker 2: along with all this, Jared? Where can they see the

1697
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 2: past videos and any other new things you've got coming

1698
01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 2: up this fall?

1699
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:26,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, the primary spot is just the YouTube channel, just

1700
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:29,639
Speaker 3: the Jared Mills YouTube channel. I'm gonna start really ramping

1701
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:32,080
Speaker 3: up the content here over the next few weeks as

1702
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 3: I start to prepare for the season, and then of

1703
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 3: course the hunts will be on there. You can follow

1704
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 3: along on social media. I'm not super active on their

1705
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 3: YouTube is probably the best best place, but yeah, I mean,

1706
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:47,880
Speaker 3: I love interacting with guys. I love helping. I love

1707
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 3: hearing about different scenarios, hearing about good stories, all that

1708
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:54,240
Speaker 3: type of stuff. So you know, anybody's more than welcome

1709
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:57,400
Speaker 3: to reach out at any time. I'm not the greatest

1710
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:02,320
Speaker 3: timely responses, but eventually we'll get back and I enjoy

1711
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 3: talking with everybody.

1712
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:07,559
Speaker 2: So wait, none of us are good at that last thing,

1713
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 2: so you're not alone. That's hard to do. Yeah, well,

1714
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see what happens. I'll be crossing my

1715
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:16,559
Speaker 2: fingers and toes for it. Jared, best of luck and

1716
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 2: thanks for doing us awesome.

1717
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:20,240
Speaker 3: Thanks for the in by. Best of luck to you

1718
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:21,719
Speaker 3: and everybody out there.

1719
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:26,720
Speaker 2: All right, and that is a wrap. Thanks for tuning in.

1720
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. If you're down in Missouri and if

1721
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:31,040
Speaker 2: you're listening to this right when it comes out, I

1722
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:34,200
Speaker 2: hope to see you Saturday, August twelfth for our working

1723
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:39,679
Speaker 2: for wildlife to revent and if not, happy scouting, shooting, prepping,

1724
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 2: whatever it is you're doing right now, living into the season.

1725
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 2: Hope it's going well. Hope you're having fun. Until next time,

1726
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:48,080
Speaker 2: stay wired to Hunt.