Speaker 1: Wind Down with Jane Kramer and I heard radio podcast.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, this is your post Christmas podcast. Um,
Speaker 1: Katherine and I are here, and we are pumped because
Speaker 1: who are we talking to today? Catherine? Emma Hernan. I'm
Speaker 1: so excited. She's on Selling Sunset, one of my favorite shows.
Speaker 1: I just bingeed it last weekend. I'm so excited to
Speaker 1: talk to her because I'm a little backed up. But um,
Speaker 1: she's actually on right now, so we're gonna go a
Speaker 1: little out of order. Um, so let's talk to her
Speaker 1: and let's get her on. Hey, Emma, Hi, how are
Speaker 1: you good? How are you? Ben? Really good? So? I know, Um,
Speaker 1: so you're you just had your first season on Selling Sunset?
Speaker 1: So were you? Because I didn't, I unfortunate? Did you
Speaker 1: Did you watch it? I did, because I have not
Speaker 1: caught up like I've been, Like, so I was. So
Speaker 1: I'm so back with all my shows because of like
Speaker 1: holidays and kids and stuff. But like so, I'm like
Speaker 1: so excited to meet your character. But what did you
Speaker 1: get from Emma? Well, I just binged it and it
Speaker 1: was great. I know. I do I want all of
Speaker 1: I want all of it. Yeah, Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't even know where to begin because there's mean
Speaker 1: so nice Okay, so she's involved drama. She's involved in drama, right, yes,
Speaker 1: So who's who's nicer, Krishal or Emma because it doesn't
Speaker 1: like the nice one. Like that's how I've always like
Speaker 1: perceived her. Yeah, but they're different, They're they're different. Are
Speaker 1: you all friends on the show? Yeah? My girl? So
Speaker 1: I love her? Okay, yeah, no, I love both of them.
Speaker 1: Y'all are my two favorite. Don't anybody else, um, don't worry.
Speaker 1: Just a couple hundred thousand people. Okay, So I guess
Speaker 1: where do we even start? So just to kind of
Speaker 1: catch you up, there's drama with her and Christine Christine right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like she has drama with everybody, right. But
Speaker 1: that's what I don't understand too, because I will say,
Speaker 1: I know that they have to have that character on
Speaker 1: a show. I get it, But at the same time,
Speaker 1: like I just feel like she's you can still be nice,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like, I just feel
Speaker 1: like she doesn't care about anyone, has like no empathy.
Speaker 1: That's like what I got from her, Like she just
Speaker 1: doesn't have empathy or care about other people's feelings. Am
Speaker 1: I off on that? Or no, oh no, you're pretty
Speaker 1: dead on okay. I mean I tell it like it is,
Speaker 1: so I keep it one hundred. But yeah, I just
Speaker 1: don't understand what do you think it is? Like? Is
Speaker 1: it like a childhood trauma or is it like, hey,
Speaker 1: just like she just wants to win and doesn't care
Speaker 1: who she stomps on like to get there. It could
Speaker 1: be both. I really don't know the reasoning behind it.
Speaker 1: I don't understand it at all. And I mean, it's
Speaker 1: one thing to be like kind of okay, make it
Speaker 1: a little bitchy remarks and stuff like that. It's another
Speaker 1: thing to take it to the level that she takes it.
Speaker 1: You know. That's how I feel. All the girls feel
Speaker 1: the same, you know, I think every single person feels
Speaker 1: the exact same. Why But do you think that producers
Speaker 1: are like keep going like cause the drama, because like,
Speaker 1: you're not going to have a show without any drama.
Speaker 1: I get that for short, And I think producers, of
Speaker 1: course they need, you know, kind of the billing character,
Speaker 1: but she does the work on your own. They're not like,
Speaker 1: I mean, she takes it to the next level, to
Speaker 1: the point where they're like, did that just happen? You know?
Speaker 1: I mean it makes for great TV for sure, but
Speaker 1: this is actually a real live so we have to
Speaker 1: deal with with this, you know. So that's unfortunate, right,
Speaker 1: What what's been the most hurtful thing that you're kind
Speaker 1: of like that's like stayed with you from Christine? Well,
Speaker 1: you know for years. You know, I had to deal
Speaker 1: with I mother. She's banging on my windows. I mean
Speaker 1: you obviously know the story, but you know, banging on
Speaker 1: my windows and d NS, I mean driving by peper class,
Speaker 1: beeping the horn, almost hitting my friend. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: still a level where you know it's it's not head
Speaker 1: but why oh we have we share mutual acts, Okay,
Speaker 1: is my best friend and I share like well, it
Speaker 1: is very similar situation. However, she's basically they're telling two
Speaker 1: different stories. I'm not going to outright say, but they
Speaker 1: are basically telling two different who who had him first?
Speaker 1: She dated him before me? So are you saying like
Speaker 1: that you were like the mistress that came in. No,
Speaker 1: I mean they had been broken up, she wasn't taking
Speaker 1: the break up well, and she knew about a girl
Speaker 1: that he was seeing right before me. You know, I
Speaker 1: didn't know about any of the girls, so he should
Speaker 1: have shared that with me, for sure. Guys will be guys.
Speaker 1: Don't agree with their behavior. Guys, you guys. But you know, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: she's the type of person where takes it out on
Speaker 1: the girl that had no idea about her, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But they weren't together anyways, it was irrelevant,
Speaker 1: she says that they were together. Yeah, of course, I mean,
Speaker 1: none of her fact. Oh she made up a full
Speaker 1: loan engage that never copped. What does he say to it?
Speaker 1: Are you still together? No, we're not still together, but
Speaker 1: we're friendly and we're he's still friends and like basically
Speaker 1: everyone he's best friend. Oh my god, you guys broke up?
Speaker 1: Was it like because he did something bad or No, honestly,
Speaker 1: we didn't break up because he's cheating or anything like that.
Speaker 1: We just honestly wanted different things at the time. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm super family oriented and loved kids and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: So it was more of like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: our like futures a line, but we're still totally fine.
Speaker 1: We have to do business together and we're fine friends.
Speaker 1: So right, But yeah, also really interesting, So she had
Speaker 1: had a baby? Who did Christine with? Who? Her husband?
Speaker 1: She's married? I don't know, she's I don't remember her.
Speaker 1: I don't really either. Um, but she's like two weeks
Speaker 1: after having a baby full glam had just had a
Speaker 1: c section, but does not look like she had a baby.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, it's so do you think she like
Speaker 1: had a surrogate? I don't know. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: there's a lot of kins talk out there, but I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty unbelievable. I will say, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: play Devil's advocate just because people were so mean when
Speaker 1: a post baby for me, They're like, oh, you look
Speaker 1: And I'm like, am I supposed to be ashamed that
Speaker 1: I look good two weeks after having a baby? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the whole one way or the others.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say that you're wrong, and I'm
Speaker 1: not necessarily mom shaming. I mean, she's she's a skinny.
Speaker 1: I know you're not. I'm just it was, by the way,
Speaker 1: we're best friend. I love that my best friend. I
Speaker 1: love it. Anyway, I just saw a lot of talk
Speaker 1: about that. It's been interesting to watch because people are
Speaker 1: like whoa, she just had a baby. But anyway, yes,
Speaker 1: you did get crap for that too. You're right, so
Speaker 1: I'll back off. I'm just saying, Okay. The only thing
Speaker 1: that like, I kind of want to that I'm still
Speaker 1: stuck on is the fact that she was because here's
Speaker 1: the deal. I like kind of said about someone that
Speaker 1: I was dating, and I found out that it was
Speaker 1: a girl that he had been with. And it's like,
Speaker 1: when someone is done with a relationship, why do you
Speaker 1: feel like you have to go to the girl and
Speaker 1: then like say these things about the guy you know
Speaker 1: to be like and I'm just kind of like, you like,
Speaker 1: is it a jealousy thing? Is it just like because
Speaker 1: you're not They're like, we're warning you, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: then give me evidence of that. I don't please. I
Speaker 1: welcome it. I've always welcomed it. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: be a dumb naive girl. I like, I welcome anything
Speaker 1: that you want to bring to me. But they're just like, oh,
Speaker 1: you were so insecure for not you know, And I
Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm just smart because I'm asking for
Speaker 1: physical proof something. No. I mean, yeah, I mean. The
Speaker 1: unfortunate thing is is you know, this was a relationship,
Speaker 1: first of all, for that was five years ago. So
Speaker 1: why more than so, why you're married with a baby.
Speaker 1: Why is this still even an issue or something that
Speaker 1: you're concerned about? That's my Have you asked her that? Uh,
Speaker 1: you don't. It's one of interaction. You see the interaction
Speaker 1: you guys get to see the interaction we have on camera.
Speaker 1: Than that, I have the only need to be around
Speaker 1: somebody like that. Work could not be more polar opposite,
Speaker 1: like completely different ends of the spectrum. So which you
Speaker 1: know why because we were talking a few episodes ago
Speaker 1: where it's like at our age, I don't know how
Speaker 1: old you are, but it's like at our age, it's
Speaker 1: like nourished nurture. I guess the relationships that you know
Speaker 1: are the most important too, and the other ones like
Speaker 1: don't don't let the drama and the chaos and all
Speaker 1: the other stuff come in because it's not like why
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's literally no point. Fine, make a
Speaker 1: TV about it. But then also like one day to
Speaker 1: be like you know what, like she's obviously jealous, but
Speaker 1: also at the same time, it's it happened a long
Speaker 1: time ago. You she's obviously moved on your Where are
Speaker 1: you dating again? I'm dating again. I'm single, but I'm
Speaker 1: dating again. Dating so hard. Oh, it's a fol it's
Speaker 1: a job. Honestly, I'm taking a break. G it's a job,
Speaker 1: but it's so freaking hard. I was just like, because
Speaker 1: I've because you have to just like you know, when
Speaker 1: you start hearing about people's past and like then you
Speaker 1: have to explain yours, and it's just like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Like it's just like seeing what you can deal with
Speaker 1: and what you can't do with with the next person,
Speaker 1: because like everyone's going to have Like that's why my girlfriend,
Speaker 1: she's like, Janet, You're not going to find a unicorn
Speaker 1: who has never been married, who doesn't have trauma, who
Speaker 1: doesn't have you know, maybe has never cheated before, because
Speaker 1: I have like a big thing with you know, because
Speaker 1: my ex had cheated on me. So it's like now
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I kind of like a guy that
Speaker 1: hasn't cheated before. But I'm like, is that even possible?
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I don't know, And they say
Speaker 1: that they haven't, but really they have, you know, they're
Speaker 1: just not caught in that moment that I'm coming to
Speaker 1: get away. That's no. I've never cheated. I've never looked
Speaker 1: at another girl when I've been dating someone and I
Speaker 1: think that they're Yeah, and I do think that there
Speaker 1: are good guys out there like your husband. I don't
Speaker 1: think you would ever freaking cheat ever. But I'm just
Speaker 1: saying like, at like, you know, thirty eight years old,
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm not going to meet this like he's
Speaker 1: probably going to be divorced and there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: reason that he was maybe like him and his wife
Speaker 1: had issues because he was not while at communicating or whatever. Well,
Speaker 1: that's also dating at thirty eight years old. I know
Speaker 1: there's a big difference. There's a big difference than when
Speaker 1: we got married. Something. You could also find a really
Speaker 1: great guy that like the wife was a little nuts,
Speaker 1: because like, come on, let's be girls are clearly nuts.
Speaker 1: We all saw its. Sorry, I mean girls can be
Speaker 1: nuts too, and then you know, maybe topic guys. No,
Speaker 1: it's true, I know, are you and Riya? Yes, I
Speaker 1: went on there a few months ago and I was
Speaker 1: just like, it's so crazy because there's so many guys
Speaker 1: in l A that I knew because I still have
Speaker 1: in l A for like ten plus years and it's
Speaker 1: the same guys. They're still there and like the same
Speaker 1: guys are going to be just I know. I was
Speaker 1: just like, oh god, I can't do this. I just
Speaker 1: can't like it, went on a date with him, don't like,
Speaker 1: but he's on there, okay, right, Um we brought up
Speaker 1: the kid point and I think, how old are you?
Speaker 1: By the way? Okay, And because I'm friendly with Krishell
Speaker 1: and um, we've had her on the podcast when she
Speaker 1: was actually married to Justin and then I had her
Speaker 1: you know, we've talked since, um, like the Kio split,
Speaker 1: and I first of all, I loved how did you hear? Damn?
Speaker 1: I mean her DM but her message her in feet
Speaker 1: about like you know, it was so yeah, it was
Speaker 1: like so beautifully said, but it was also like to
Speaker 1: what I made what like I made up with that
Speaker 1: was that like he didn't want kids and she did.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking, and you know, kind of to
Speaker 1: your point too. I don't know if that was the
Speaker 1: same situation why you why you and your ex broke up?
Speaker 1: But it's like I'm I'm proud of her for not
Speaker 1: saying in something that like I didn't serve her and
Speaker 1: that like that's not what she wants to obviously to
Speaker 1: have kids. I don't know. Again, I'm just making this up,
Speaker 1: So no, no, for sure, you know, I feel like
Speaker 1: she's very open and honest about that, and you know,
Speaker 1: they we do love and pack each other, like I mean,
Speaker 1: I wish that I have a relationship put end that way,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But of course it's heartbreaking
Speaker 1: because it's hard, Like, you know, there's not a ton
Speaker 1: wrong with the relationship. There's just people want different things,
Speaker 1: which is crazy to think about it, but it actually
Speaker 1: does happen, you know, yeah, well, and especially with them
Speaker 1: working together, like thank goodness that it ended. I mean,
Speaker 1: I would imagine they probably can you know, go forward
Speaker 1: in a working relationship and be you know, okay, thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I remember like someone was like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: just for publicity for the show, and I'm like, Krishell,
Speaker 1: like her heart and like how she looks. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's for I didn't think it was play out
Speaker 1: on the show. Yeah, so but maybe like people are
Speaker 1: gonna want to watch it now to see how But
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't, like I didn't. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't think Krishell would ever do that? Truly,
Speaker 1: you would never do that. I mean wears her heart
Speaker 1: and her sleep. She's like one of my favorite people
Speaker 1: in the entire world. She would never do anything for publicity.
Speaker 1: I mean they had the most special relationship in the
Speaker 1: entire world. They were genuinely in love, you know, and
Speaker 1: for them to open up about it, you know, proved
Speaker 1: how much they really cared about each other. You know.
Speaker 1: Question for you, would you be friends with your ex's girlfriend?
Speaker 1: Kind of like how like Christine so how she was
Speaker 1: being to you know, to you, would you be friends
Speaker 1: with When your ex gets a new girlfriend? Would you
Speaker 1: be friends with her? I feel like I would be.
Speaker 1: I'm not a jealous person. I'm a super sweet, like
Speaker 1: caring person, and I feel like, honestly, I would really
Speaker 1: have a problem with it as long as you know,
Speaker 1: things ended somewhat sadly. Obviously even think that they're never like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, super great. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: if it wasn't something that that you know, my family
Speaker 1: was affected by or something like that, then yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I would be friends or whoever. Keep So That's
Speaker 1: why I'm like, if I didn't dislike my ex so much,
Speaker 1: i'd be like, I want you in my extant date.
Speaker 1: But like, I'm just saying, like you would like your
Speaker 1: ex to be with someone someone who I like and
Speaker 1: like who I can like be like girl, like I
Speaker 1: get let's go get a drink of wine. Glass of wine.
Speaker 1: The problem is is if you like them and you
Speaker 1: don't want them to be with your ex. No, But
Speaker 1: because I you know, I think people like I hope
Speaker 1: that people can like change and stuff. But you know,
Speaker 1: and and again, I think people are different versions of
Speaker 1: themselves with like like I am a totally different version
Speaker 1: than I was with and I'm going to be a
Speaker 1: different version in my next relationship because you know, I
Speaker 1: won't have all this resentment and hate and you know whatever.
Speaker 1: So I mean it would be nice because I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I wish I could just like there should
Speaker 1: be a show where the ex wife gets to pick
Speaker 1: the new wife. I think that's great because it's like
Speaker 1: they're gonna be around my kids, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I want to be the one to
Speaker 1: pick and be like, Okay, this girl is mature, she's beautiful,
Speaker 1: she's fun. The kids love her, Like like I think
Speaker 1: it's a great idea. Yeah, and I get to pick
Speaker 1: like three girls that he can choose from. Yeah exactly,
Speaker 1: I mean he could pick Curry, but there's three that
Speaker 1: that have been approved. I mean, I'm here. I always
Speaker 1: think it's so fun when like the Axes do stuff
Speaker 1: together with the kids. I'm like, wow, Like if that
Speaker 1: happens to me, I hope that I can be friends
Speaker 1: with my ex and whoever he ended up work, especially
Speaker 1: if you're kid. Well, you know, the funny thing is
Speaker 1: that I don't want be friends with him, and when
Speaker 1: we'll be friends with his wife? Yeah, yeah, like literally
Speaker 1: just eventually sell. I don't know, we'll see. But I
Speaker 1: do think it's interesting that you said you're different. You're
Speaker 1: a different version of yourself in every relationship. And I
Speaker 1: do think that for sure, because I meant that I
Speaker 1: was with I'm such a different person, and I was
Speaker 1: such a different person in my next relationship then I
Speaker 1: was with him, because you just you grow, you know,
Speaker 1: with each relationship, you learn, you grow you you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and whatever they do, however they affect you
Speaker 1: or you affect them in a relationship, you guys are
Speaker 1: going to like have a different chemistry yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: So are you excited to have like a new storyline
Speaker 1: on the show like this to not be about God? Yea.
Speaker 1: I knew that I was going to have to address it,
Speaker 1: of course, because you know, I had to deal with
Speaker 1: a lot of like the harassing for years, so there
Speaker 1: was so many things I had to be addressed on
Speaker 1: the show. Sure, but it took away a little bit
Speaker 1: from who I am the person and I have a
Speaker 1: huge heart, and you got you got to see less
Speaker 1: of that. And you know, obviously I've been really successful
Speaker 1: on my own and it's hard as a woman who
Speaker 1: would to approve yourself. So I feel like that storyline
Speaker 1: overshadowed who I actually am, and I didn't love that
Speaker 1: I have to be So who are you then? I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, I'm super family oriented. Boston
Speaker 1: will always be my heart, like my mom is my
Speaker 1: best friend in the entire world, and you know, I've
Speaker 1: worked really hard to get where I am. It wasn't easy.
Speaker 1: I've been laughed out of so many meetings because they
Speaker 1: thought I was somebody's girlfriend and they thought, oh literally,
Speaker 1: I was told I was walked into the wrong meeting
Speaker 1: because it was an investor meeting and I was the
Speaker 1: only female in there, and obviously, you know what I
Speaker 1: mean that they judged me I kind of present based
Speaker 1: off my look. They laughed me out of beating noble
Speaker 1: I had. So I've had to prove myself so many times,
Speaker 1: and I think that, you know, you really don't get
Speaker 1: to see that as much in season four five. I
Speaker 1: do think you get to see a little bit more
Speaker 1: of who I am. You know, my family comes on,
Speaker 1: so my mom no good, Yeah, because I'm excited to
Speaker 1: see more about that. You can tell you have a
Speaker 1: lot more to you and that you were trying to
Speaker 1: be respectful. You're actually handled everything really well. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see more of your storyline and kind
Speaker 1: of see more about you versus Christine kind of over
Speaker 1: her story Yeah, Like it's like like why have the
Speaker 1: same It's like no one wants to see the same
Speaker 1: character arc. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's kind of addressing
Speaker 1: all of her friendship fallouts, you know, I mean it
Speaker 1: kind of goes there and then she kind of actually
Speaker 1: kind of makes you feel bad for her a little
Speaker 1: bit towards the end. I mean, yes, it's because she
Speaker 1: gets upset like all of her friends have left her
Speaker 1: kind of things, so you know, Um, but again I
Speaker 1: just think that strategic plan of course, yeah that comes off.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I know for sure. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see more of your story, for sure.
Speaker 1: I think you've got a lot to give to the show. Um,
Speaker 1: is there someone that you have like a kind of
Speaker 1: crush on, like actor, athlete? Like what what do you
Speaker 1: what do you usually go for? I feel like athletes
Speaker 1: are trouble so yeah, okay, so my act as an
Speaker 1: athlete and I just feel like they're so used to
Speaker 1: getting everything that they want and they have that mentality
Speaker 1: it's like they have to go out and basically win
Speaker 1: at whatever. So you know, propably, I would not date
Speaker 1: an athlete. I feel like I'm more attracted to like
Speaker 1: nerdy businessmen than athletes. But back in the day, like
Speaker 1: when I was in my early twenties, for sure, every
Speaker 1: athlete I was like, you know, you get excited, But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I think like I don't have a specific person, but
Speaker 1: I feel like I like more like businessmen and people
Speaker 1: that I can you know, connect with on an intelligence
Speaker 1: level too. You know, athletes aren't usually all there either.
Speaker 1: Did you see the CEO of Riya on on there.
Speaker 1: He's kind of cute. He's a businessman. The CEO of
Speaker 1: Ryo is on Ria. Yeah, I mean has It's like
Speaker 1: it's like Tom on Facebook or single. My Space's tom Space,
Speaker 1: Thomas my Space. I mean, I think if he's on right,
Speaker 1: he's single because it's like as asking right, I mean,
Speaker 1: is he doesn't look nerd ever? Think I remember, I think,
Speaker 1: I think, I'm really Oh he's cute. He hurt me back?
Speaker 1: What's it? What's a deal breaker in a relationship? Do
Speaker 1: you have any Definitely someone who doesn't want kids. That's
Speaker 1: like number one obviously loyalty. I'm a really big communicator too,
Speaker 1: so it would be hard for me to be with
Speaker 1: somebody that's not good at communicating. I over communicate, I
Speaker 1: overshare because I think it's so important and guys are
Speaker 1: so bad at that. You know, both of my accents
Speaker 1: like they just literally like I feel like it was
Speaker 1: so hard for them, was like drawing blood to try
Speaker 1: and get them to talk and communicate how they're feeling
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So I would love to be
Speaker 1: with somebody that wanted kids the same way I do.
Speaker 1: And you know that's good at communicating. I feel like
Speaker 1: that's the neatest success men in communication just nick communicate. Well, yes,
Speaker 1: and now I feel like men just shut down. Yeah
Speaker 1: he's an emotional guy, but yeah, he also will just
Speaker 1: shut down to It's kind of yeah, kind of both
Speaker 1: but just kind of shut down. And they're just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if I'll give her space instead of communicating that maybe
Speaker 1: we'll just we'll be good in like a day or two.
Speaker 1: But it's like we're not going to ever be good
Speaker 1: because it's just everything's gonna pile up, you know, if
Speaker 1: you don't communicate. And then we want them to read
Speaker 1: our minds because what we really want is for them
Speaker 1: to come in and say, like is that when we
Speaker 1: say we bust the A alone, we really want them
Speaker 1: like flat, Yeah, when I say I'm on space, I
Speaker 1: don't want space. Yeah you were supposed to like listen
Speaker 1: to me, but take that and do something completely different.
Speaker 1: Did you not know that? Duh? Duh? Like yeah, that's
Speaker 1: always I'm like, when I say I want space, it
Speaker 1: actually means like I don't at all. I will say
Speaker 1: though I don't know, I would you say you do? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Most women don't meet that. Yeah, I had I think
Speaker 1: I had a little bit too inch wined to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, but I had I was having it
Speaker 1: something with someone and it was actually the guy wanted
Speaker 1: to communicate, and I was just like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I want to go to bed, and it was just
Speaker 1: like but and then I was so mad at myself
Speaker 1: in the morning because I was like, dang it, Like
Speaker 1: I always preach that I'm such a good communicator, and
Speaker 1: then like the guy was actually trying, and then I
Speaker 1: was just so like stubborn. I feel like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm just you could blame that on the wine
Speaker 1: one random wine night, you know, sometimes you know, just
Speaker 1: you just just I don't know. Um when you got
Speaker 1: When did you get asked to do selling Sunset? Um?
Speaker 1: I guess it was probably the fall of two thousand twenty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I found out in January, but we didn't
Speaker 1: start filming until May. But yeah, I mean it's definitely
Speaker 1: something that I had to consider because, you know, I
Speaker 1: putting yourself out there for the world to see. Especially
Speaker 1: I'm a super private person. So like when I was
Speaker 1: engaged and stuff like that, all my close friends and
Speaker 1: family and everyone knew, but I didn't post about it.
Speaker 1: I've always been very protective of my family, my relationships,
Speaker 1: even like what I did. Not everyone knew what I
Speaker 1: did except people that were close to me. So putting
Speaker 1: my life out there for the world to see and
Speaker 1: judge was something that I went back and forth with,
Speaker 1: you know, a decent amount. It wasn't a quick easy decision.
Speaker 1: Do you get haters or because I don't ever feel
Speaker 1: like anyone could ever hate on you. I feel like, um, honestly,
Speaker 1: a really small amount. And I thought that I was
Speaker 1: going to get more. I honestly thought that I was
Speaker 1: going to get way more than I did, just because
Speaker 1: you know, you're so sweet, like you're nice. Certain people
Speaker 1: have fans and stuff like that. So I wasn't sure
Speaker 1: how that was going to go. But I think, I mean,
Speaker 1: when you finished the season, you know, but like obviously
Speaker 1: everything I say is the truth and whatever. Definitely how
Speaker 1: you handled it, for sure, Yeah, and people, But I
Speaker 1: was very concerned that I was going to get a
Speaker 1: lot of hate. And the girls were warning me, like,
Speaker 1: you know, just take it with a grain of salt,
Speaker 1: don't read the comments. They're gonna say a million things
Speaker 1: about you. I mean, of course, I see things here
Speaker 1: and there that it's like, oh my god, you're so
Speaker 1: ugly and things like that, and it's like, okay, like
Speaker 1: brush that off, you know what I mean, because every
Speaker 1: pa that's not true. But you know, I have to
Speaker 1: say I'm thankful for the amount of messages that's been
Speaker 1: like you're so inspiring to me. You know, someone was
Speaker 1: saying that they were having they were kind of a
Speaker 1: little bit depressed and sitting in their house and and
Speaker 1: now they went out and started some candle company that
Speaker 1: she was always dreaming about doing. So I can inspire
Speaker 1: some people a majority of people, That's why I did it.
Speaker 1: You know that. So did you like automatically get like
Speaker 1: a ton of new business? I always wonder that when
Speaker 1: you're selling, when you're doing real estate on a show,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you know, you become celebrities,
Speaker 1: Like how does that even work? Business wise? That's got
Speaker 1: to be kind of tricky. I'm definitely getting more a
Speaker 1: little bit more reach outs and stuff like that. But
Speaker 1: I had such a great network already coming onto the show,
Speaker 1: because you know the relationships that I made. I have
Speaker 1: a food company, um I partnered with Beyond Me, so
Speaker 1: meeting all of these like high profile CEOs and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. They you know, meet me and obviously had
Speaker 1: a lot of respect for what I've done and what
Speaker 1: I'm doing, and so then when they're going to buy
Speaker 1: a house, they're now coming to me. So I did
Speaker 1: already have a really great group of clients and clientile um.
Speaker 1: The only thing now a little bit more people reach out.
Speaker 1: But I'd say, you know, are they even you know,
Speaker 1: can they even buy a you know, their sentences aren't
Speaker 1: even adding up. So I'm like, we weighed that out though,
Speaker 1: I have a team that goes through everything. Now, Okay,
Speaker 1: I've wondered how that works. I'm like, because this can
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're getting a ton of stuff that's not
Speaker 1: even legitimate. But yeah, well, um, thank you for coming
Speaker 1: on the show. You're an absolute sweetheart, and if you're
Speaker 1: ever in Nashville, please come have a glass wine with us.
Speaker 1: I definitely are awesome. You and Chris I'll should come.
Speaker 1: We will definitely come, and even if we have the
Speaker 1: gossip wine, I'll still make you communicate after perfect. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, she is a sweetheart. I want to be
Speaker 1: friends with her. Can she be our friend? Katherine? Please
Speaker 1: be our friend? Please be our friend. UM, let's take
Speaker 1: a break and then we'll be back. UM. I don't
Speaker 1: remember if I've ever spoke on this on the show.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I have because of what I've said mostly
Speaker 1: everything on the show. UM, I mean obviously you know,
Speaker 1: but that I cry every New Year's it's not funny, No,
Speaker 1: it's not not No, I cry every single freaking Year's.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. And I was I
Speaker 1: thought I was kind of alone in that until I
Speaker 1: talked to a girlfriend of mine and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I've got like a little bit of confession. I don't
Speaker 1: think I've told you this, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: just I make it in my mind New Year's Eve
Speaker 1: has to be this like amazing feeling moment, and I
Speaker 1: make it be something that's like I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just make it something more. My expectation is it's like huge.
Speaker 1: And normally I'm either like last New Year's like, well
Speaker 1: the last two Mike and I were fighting, um, and
Speaker 1: I'm always like good a sign like it's for some reason, however,
Speaker 1: that that New Year's Night is it's like how I
Speaker 1: feel like the New Year is going to be. That's
Speaker 1: so interesting because New Year's to me is like nothing.
Speaker 1: Why like not even remotely close to special? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Like tell me more why I don't know how boring
Speaker 1: is New Year's. I don't I don't like to go
Speaker 1: out like noth thing too. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: with anybody that I don't know. Like I was telling
Speaker 1: you this person, I was like, here's here's here's what
Speaker 1: you need to know about me. Cry expectation, Well, I
Speaker 1: was seriously, I was like, I cry every year. I
Speaker 1: don't want to. Um, I have to see the ball drop.
Speaker 1: If I don't see the ball drop, it is it
Speaker 1: is over? Is over? Like I have to watch the
Speaker 1: ball drop. I guess I just assumed it was kind
Speaker 1: of situational on New Year's, But now I see, Like, so,
Speaker 1: what is your expectation? What would be the perfect New Year's?
Speaker 1: I said, I want just you know, with my person
Speaker 1: or loan whatever, drinking wine, watching the ball drop, like
Speaker 1: with my closest friends. If it's just you and wine
Speaker 1: and the ball drop, you're going to cry. Of course,
Speaker 1: we're doing a game night, I thought. But I need
Speaker 1: to have that, like, you know, like with my friends
Speaker 1: or whatever, and just like have that like moment of like,
Speaker 1: I'm with you, we got this. It's gonna be a
Speaker 1: great year. Maybe what we're usually together on New Years,
Speaker 1: aren't we? Or do we have to cancel it the
Speaker 1: last the last two weeks to cancel to the mic, Hm,
Speaker 1: I'm not just pubbed into but I'm sorry that. Yes,
Speaker 1: I know that that is a big one for you.
Speaker 1: Um so how can I meet your expectations? I want
Speaker 1: to play games and I want to watch the ball drop. Okay,
Speaker 1: Eastern time, Central time, doesn't matter. When do we see
Speaker 1: the ball drop? I think it needs to be live
Speaker 1: to like Nashville. I don't want to watch the I
Speaker 1: don't want to watch the No, not that, not that one.
Speaker 1: I want to watch New York, not Nashville. I want
Speaker 1: to watch New York. Okay, so that's Eastern No, but
Speaker 1: but it has to be on Central time. Okay, we'll
Speaker 1: watch the play. Yeah, it's the replay. It's like you know,
Speaker 1: um yeah, I don't know. I don't know why. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's like I think, I'm just like
Speaker 1: I go to this place where I'm like however it
Speaker 1: I feel then is how is going to be? Do
Speaker 1: you think you're going to have a hard time because
Speaker 1: you won't be with the kids. Absolutely, I mean it's
Speaker 1: already hard not having them right now. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it would be for New Year's because it's like
Speaker 1: the kids are kind of already in bed anyway kind
Speaker 1: of thing. I don't know, like the kids already in
Speaker 1: bed whatever. But like the fact that I don't get
Speaker 1: to wake up to them New Year's Day and be
Speaker 1: like Happy New Year and like do the little party,
Speaker 1: Like it's just like that's a bummer. But you know
Speaker 1: what'll be good next year? Yeah, next year, and you'll
Speaker 1: see that how great you did this year. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do great. So I'm going into two strong and dependant,
Speaker 1: don't need in someone in the room cheers in with
Speaker 1: Although it would be fun, it would be nice. I
Speaker 1: don't need it, don't need it, don't need it. But
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, as my friends, Christmas isn't canceled,
Speaker 1: neither is New Year's Just you, right, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I guess I'm not the only
Speaker 1: person that feels that way. Like there's just like this
Speaker 1: expectation and this like it always has felt like I
Speaker 1: remember when I was in l a at a club
Speaker 1: and I was dating John Julius Julius husband and who's
Speaker 1: my best friend? Let me just say that details. Um,
Speaker 1: and I just remember being at this club and just
Speaker 1: being like, this is the worst. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be with people that I don't know. That's a nightmare
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, thank you, and then getting dressed up
Speaker 1: and being it's just not my thing. Now you did
Speaker 1: you dressed up for Pam's party. That was your one
Speaker 1: time dressed I love I got like a forty seven
Speaker 1: percent on that pole. By the way, that's true. Up
Speaker 1: to that said that you were the one that made
Speaker 1: they wanted to dress up. Shocking. Um. Yeah. The people
Speaker 1: that go to bed. I mean last year when we
Speaker 1: went to bed when we were fighting, like it was
Speaker 1: just like I'm like, how can people go to bed?
Speaker 1: I usually try to wait up and see the ball,
Speaker 1: but it is. It is literally one of my least
Speaker 1: important holidays. I don't even see it as a holiday.
Speaker 1: It's just not I'm like, it's just another day. Wow.
Speaker 1: Marj January one, What are you going into the new
Speaker 1: year wanting? I'm not going to say like news resolution.
Speaker 1: I hate that word. I hate it. What are you
Speaker 1: hoping to grow in in um do in personally. I think,
Speaker 1: just work on myself, just like, yeah, continue therapy, start
Speaker 1: working out because I don't do it well. And here's
Speaker 1: a question, how can I support you in that? Because
Speaker 1: I want to be like, hey, like come work out,
Speaker 1: you know you're so great. I have to be in
Speaker 1: the mindset yeah, or I'm just not going to do it.
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping and praying as I'm working on myself
Speaker 1: and my mental that I'll start wanting to work on
Speaker 1: physical as well. So losing some weight working out, which
Speaker 1: is like everyone's I understand, But I think just all
Speaker 1: around self care mhm for the year, not just the
Speaker 1: beginning of January. Maybe come up with the goal every month.
Speaker 1: I wonder where you get. I like it. Yes, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do. I'm gonna do something every month that challenges me,
Speaker 1: helps me grow spiritually, mentally, physically, and kind of journal
Speaker 1: it you know. Ye I'm kind of on the phone.
Speaker 1: I journal a lot on my phone. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: just think that's like I like the monthly. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've read this book a long time called The Happiness Project,
Speaker 1: and they basically say, like every month should be a resolution.
Speaker 1: So but again instead of resolution, change it to like
Speaker 1: you know something that like challenges you, helps you grow,
Speaker 1: inspires you. Whether it's just like I took a bath
Speaker 1: this month and that was like a total self care moment,
Speaker 1: you know something. How are you feeling about going into two?
Speaker 1: Are you feeling like confident that's going to be a
Speaker 1: good year? Are you hesitant? Are you anxious? How do
Speaker 1: you feel? I feel excited? I mean this year through
Speaker 1: me for a loop. I mean it was it was
Speaker 1: I survived and anything that I know that sounds kind
Speaker 1: of like dramatic, but like I thought the divorce was
Speaker 1: gonna kill me, like like it just I thought I could,
Speaker 1: like because of my anxiety, I thought I can never
Speaker 1: Literally why didn't leave for so many years Because I
Speaker 1: thought I could not do it alone. I didn't think
Speaker 1: I could have the kids alone. I didn't think I
Speaker 1: could my anxiety could do it alone. I didn't think
Speaker 1: I could just function without him. And this year taught
Speaker 1: me that I could. And so next year, I'm just
Speaker 1: excited to like continue to be stronger and know that
Speaker 1: when I you know, continue on a relationship or don't
Speaker 1: or if it ends like it's not going to kill me.
Speaker 1: It will not break me. It's just another little learning experience.
Speaker 1: And because I'm like I already like I've been broken
Speaker 1: to the to the to the most I could ever
Speaker 1: be broken. Right, I lost my family, but I gained
Speaker 1: my new family, you know, like yeah, and you've proven
Speaker 1: to yourself that you can do it. You can do
Speaker 1: it you and the kids. Yeah, So I'm like anything
Speaker 1: like That's why it's like it'll be easy for me.
Speaker 1: Like if something isn't suiting me, I'd like all right bye,
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, I'm good, I can do this. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't need to settle. And so I think
Speaker 1: like going in twenty two just being like boss mode,
Speaker 1: not side helping others and just like feeling light and
Speaker 1: chasing joy, chasing joy. I love it. Um. I hope
Speaker 1: you all had a merry Christmas, and I hope you
Speaker 1: have the most amazing New Year's and um, talk to
Speaker 1: you next year.