Speaker 1: Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon. I am your host,
Speaker 1: Shane Bacon, and this week's episode with my friend and
Speaker 1: two time US Open champion Curtis Strange, is brought to you,
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Speaker 1: golf shots. Okay, we will transition to Curtis in a moment.
Speaker 1: I was doing PGA Tour Live last week for the
Speaker 1: Arnold Farmer Invitational. That golf course was tough. This golf
Speaker 1: course is gonna be tough at the players. I've decided
Speaker 1: the Florida swing man, it will punch you right in
Speaker 1: your stomach. You go from the Honda to Arnold Palmer
Speaker 1: to the players and valves part. That is four brutal
Speaker 1: golf courses and four consecutive weeks. I guarantee the players
Speaker 1: are like, all right, I'm out, let's see it. Let's
Speaker 1: leave Florida as fast as we possibly can. But if
Speaker 1: you get on a heater or like we're seeing with
Speaker 1: somebody like Keith Mitchell, it can be great because you
Speaker 1: know you're gonna find your golf shot in the right spot.
Speaker 1: I think that's what we saw with Francesco Mominari over
Speaker 1: the weekend. One of the best ball strikers on the
Speaker 1: planet right now on a golf course that requires you
Speaker 1: to hit good golf shots and actually pays them off,
Speaker 1: which I think sometime when we see these softer golf courses,
Speaker 1: that's not always the case. So it's kind of fun
Speaker 1: to watch these four weeks as we approach the Masters.
Speaker 1: Here's fingers crossed that Tiger is in fact healthy. I
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Speaker 1: the legend that is Curtis Strange and we welcome back
Speaker 1: in the clubhouse for the first time in twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: and a man that is uh pushing back his fishing
Speaker 1: excapades for the day to do this, Curtis Strange. I
Speaker 1: always appreciate it when you and Zinger do a podcast
Speaker 1: instead of going out super early in fish. Is this
Speaker 1: like a weekly thing? Are you doing this every day
Speaker 1: when you're home? This is a daily thing? Uh? Five
Speaker 1: days out of seven. It's what I do. You know,
Speaker 1: I played a little social golf. I fish a lot,
Speaker 1: and uh, I enjoyed getting outside. So you say you play,
Speaker 1: you play social golf? I mean are you you still
Speaker 1: go out there and play a couple of times a week?
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, not any sort of competitive environment
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But are you out there grinding
Speaker 1: or is it just simply going out playing nine holes
Speaker 1: with some friends and and and getting out of there,
Speaker 1: you know at a decent time. No, I got thirty
Speaker 1: and we're grinding. We got money on the lock, you know. Uh,
Speaker 1: we got a couple of bucks on the line, and
Speaker 1: nobody wants to lose, and it's fun. It's you know
Speaker 1: it's I never thought i'd do this viasically enjoy it.
Speaker 1: I don't get as bored as I thought I'll wouin it,
Speaker 1: and uh, it's nice to go out there and didn't
Speaker 1: have a beer with the guys affords as a as
Speaker 1: a guy that you know, one major championships and played
Speaker 1: in the biggest venues on the planet. Was was it
Speaker 1: a transition? Did you take you know, five, six, eight,
Speaker 1: ten years to get into the mold where as you
Speaker 1: said you thought you might be interested in doing something
Speaker 1: like that, Because I can only imagine the moment you
Speaker 1: decide to hang up the spikes golf probably doesn't really
Speaker 1: sound like something you want to go do on a
Speaker 1: weekly basis. How long did it take for you to
Speaker 1: actually notice that this was something you were going to
Speaker 1: kind of enjoy? Well, you make a good point, Shane,
Speaker 1: Uh it did it does go? You do go through
Speaker 1: a transition, and it's gradually over the years you go
Speaker 1: through the transition. I think of playing a little bit
Speaker 1: of senior golf actually starts on the recordit tour when
Speaker 1: when you when you're not as competitive anymore in my case,
Speaker 1: doing TV work, playing a little bit of your priorities
Speaker 1: do change a little bit, although you still wake up
Speaker 1: every morning as a competitor, but you realize that once
Speaker 1: you go to the booth, you can't give it like
Speaker 1: you always did. And then you transition from that stage
Speaker 1: and to the Champions Tour and you're not played for
Speaker 1: three or four years, and then played sporadically after that,
Speaker 1: but you transition out And is it Is it a
Speaker 1: conscious effort, No, it's a it's a it's something you
Speaker 1: just kind of gradually do subconsciously that you don't play well.
Speaker 1: You're tired of the grind, you're tired of the roads.
Speaker 1: You cut back each year, and then eventually you don't
Speaker 1: play anymore at all, and and then you start playing
Speaker 1: little social golf and you know it's, uh, I get
Speaker 1: bored a little bit doing that, but I still like
Speaker 1: going hitting balls by myself for an hour, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's just it is what it is. And I tell
Speaker 1: people all the time, and I really mean this, that
Speaker 1: we're still lucky to play this game professionally because you
Speaker 1: can play it to your sixty or sixty five competitively,
Speaker 1: and versus if you played other sports, you were out
Speaker 1: of your sport. At an old age thirty five years
Speaker 1: old or thirty three years old unless you're an exception
Speaker 1: of the bradies of the world and you know, some
Speaker 1: other superstars. But I was lucky. I played competitive golf
Speaker 1: for a long long time, and I have no no
Speaker 1: problem with with retiring and playing social golf at all. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm as much as we can sit here and talk
Speaker 1: about your current golf game, I do want to jump
Speaker 1: into some headlines that have kind of been making the round.
Speaker 1: We don't we don't want to do that. You know
Speaker 1: that this week is very interesting to me every single year,
Speaker 1: and the noise is getting louder and louder around the
Speaker 1: Players Championship. The Players Championship to me growing up as
Speaker 1: a fan, as somebody that watched it, it was the
Speaker 1: biggest event that wasn't a major championship, And of course
Speaker 1: everybody talks fifth major. That's what the term has kind
Speaker 1: of lingered around it for years. What did it used
Speaker 1: to feel like for you when you would compete at
Speaker 1: Sawgrass Because back then there wasn't new trophies and new
Speaker 1: theme songs and hashtags and all those things. It was
Speaker 1: simply an event on a calendar. What did it feel
Speaker 1: like to you and your peers. When you got guys
Speaker 1: got closer and closer, and into the week at Sagress.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's the same. We all know it's
Speaker 1: a big, big championship, and the press knows that. The
Speaker 1: public feels it, the players feel it for a couple
Speaker 1: of reasons. One is that it was probably the strongest
Speaker 1: field of the year um And two is that it
Speaker 1: was always in the day the biggest purse, and back
Speaker 1: in the day when we didn't play for that much money,
Speaker 1: having a real big purse meant something because you had
Speaker 1: a chance to, you know, fill your pockets for a
Speaker 1: week if you played. We were on extremely tough golf
Speaker 1: course back when we played across the road at the
Speaker 1: country club, Slograss country Club, hard hard golf course, when
Speaker 1: blue's tail off every day, and and then we moved
Speaker 1: across the street to this quirky, funky place in the
Speaker 1: players and you know, but it's always a big event.
Speaker 1: We just to me, we've kind of stepped on our
Speaker 1: own toes every time we've turned around pushing the major
Speaker 1: championship a label. There's not gonna be a fifth major
Speaker 1: unless this thing develops on its own. You can't develop
Speaker 1: something and manufacture something. In my estimation, you have to
Speaker 1: let it happen, and just let it happen. It's it's
Speaker 1: a wonderful event. I still don't like the golf course,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of players feel the same
Speaker 1: way I do. But be that as it may, it's
Speaker 1: still a big event. It's the best field of the year.
Speaker 1: It's big TV. Let's just go play and let it.
Speaker 1: Let everything sold where they may. Does that make sense? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: You know it. It's it's like this to me. I
Speaker 1: go back to when Devol won the players. I remember
Speaker 1: where I was watching that. I was in East Texas.
Speaker 1: I was at my sister's boyfriend's parents house, and we
Speaker 1: were all huddled around a TV watching of all hit
Speaker 1: the shot into seventeen and he was the best player
Speaker 1: in the world, which is something we didn't think was
Speaker 1: gonna happen in the Tiger era. And it was unbelievable
Speaker 1: appointment viewing golf. It was what you had to be
Speaker 1: watching that week that month. But what I've felt like
Speaker 1: with all the murmurs around it, and especially it seems
Speaker 1: like the murmurs from the people putting it on, is
Speaker 1: it's like the guy that tells you they're good at golf. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm a really good golfer. Oh that sounds great. Can
Speaker 1: you show me? Because if you were, if you're saying
Speaker 1: you're a good golfer, there's a pretty good chance you're
Speaker 1: probably not as good as you think you are. You know.
Speaker 1: It's that whole line about goes back to what my
Speaker 1: It goes back to what I all our daddy's told
Speaker 1: us here ago. You don't have to tell if you're
Speaker 1: good at something, you don't have to tell anybody, right
Speaker 1: shoe them exactly, And this was in this one. That's
Speaker 1: exactly the point we're making. I will make damn sure
Speaker 1: I watched this weekend because it's good stuff, right, It's
Speaker 1: good TV, and it always has been. I go back
Speaker 1: in the day Raymond Floyd beat me in a playoffs
Speaker 1: and eight eighty one eighty eighty one, and I still
Speaker 1: have nightmares about it. I mean, it's a big event
Speaker 1: to the players, it's big to the public, and let's
Speaker 1: just have it like that. It's the biggest championship, it's
Speaker 1: our championship. But on the other hand, now I will
Speaker 1: say this, the argument that I do make contrary to
Speaker 1: what I just said, is that why can't the players.
Speaker 1: Everybody else has their major the U s c A,
Speaker 1: the R and the Masters as an invitational, but in
Speaker 1: the B g A, why can't the players are tour
Speaker 1: have that one big event When we do, we do
Speaker 1: have the players. Let everybody think about it, what they
Speaker 1: do with the what they want to think about it.
Speaker 1: But it's a big event and it is must watch
Speaker 1: TV this week absolutely, And again that goes back to
Speaker 1: my point is that it I don't feel like I've
Speaker 1: ever needed the players to tell me what it is
Speaker 1: because it's always been to me a massively important event.
Speaker 1: And if it's not a major, and that's the world
Speaker 1: I live in. I think there's four major championships. I
Speaker 1: think there always will be. And that's important to me
Speaker 1: because history guys like you, if you add a players
Speaker 1: in the road to don't have a chance to go
Speaker 1: out there and win one. Now you know that, and
Speaker 1: like Gene Stairs and doesn't have to go can't go
Speaker 1: win a players, I mean you know that. That is
Speaker 1: to me the problem with changing the history if you will,
Speaker 1: in that regard, and so you know it's it's it's great,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be awesome. I think it's gonna be fun
Speaker 1: to see it moved now and not in and I
Speaker 1: think the golf course will play a lot different. I
Speaker 1: was gonna ask you, I know, you've been so close
Speaker 1: to winning this event before. I love. One of my
Speaker 1: favorite things to do talking to you and Zinger and
Speaker 1: Facts and those guys is not just talking about the winds,
Speaker 1: but talking about the almost. How the almost is what
Speaker 1: we think about. That's what Steve we remember the most. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Steve Ferry was just saying that you know that that
Speaker 1: he still thinks about the loss to the Calves more
Speaker 1: than he thinks about, you know, the championships they've won.
Speaker 1: And uh and and I was gonna ask when you
Speaker 1: stand as a competitor on the seventeenth hole as a
Speaker 1: professional on a Sunday, and and every professional thinks about
Speaker 1: the miss more than probably think people think. You know,
Speaker 1: they think about where to bail out, the fat part
Speaker 1: of the green, the smart play, and to me, seventeen
Speaker 1: at Sagress is one of the few places in the
Speaker 1: world in professional golf where there is no bailout. You
Speaker 1: gotta get up there and hit a golf shot. Seventeen
Speaker 1: to me is not that hard. Uh, we try to
Speaker 1: get you can't help but try to get cute because
Speaker 1: it's not very long, but you have to be careful.
Speaker 1: It's scared the hell out of me when the wind
Speaker 1: started to blow, so I try to put it right
Speaker 1: in the dead center of the green into tuput. If
Speaker 1: it was dead calm. Now you can maybe try to
Speaker 1: get a little more aggressive. What I don't like is
Speaker 1: because there's no bailout when they try to get those
Speaker 1: greens so bloody hard. Now the players don't have a
Speaker 1: shot because now the green plays half the size and
Speaker 1: you can hit a pretty good shot and bounce in
Speaker 1: the back water. I don't like that. I think it's
Speaker 1: manipulation of the golf course. But we can make any
Speaker 1: golf course the hardest golf course in the world by
Speaker 1: just setting it up. So let them give the players
Speaker 1: a chance. You can give it firm, but give them
Speaker 1: a chance when that pin is back center to get
Speaker 1: it close and not a good shot go over in
Speaker 1: the water. That's the only problem I have. But the
Speaker 1: green is quite large. If you just play the smart shot,
Speaker 1: play it where you're missing in them in the middle
Speaker 1: of the green, you shouldn't have any problems. But when
Speaker 1: the wind starts a blow, which it will earlier in
Speaker 1: the year this week, it can be a tough little
Speaker 1: son of a gun. Oh. I mean, it's just I've
Speaker 1: I've played it a couple of times now, and uh,
Speaker 1: and I think that your point is correct. You stand
Speaker 1: on it the first time you see it and you go, wow,
Speaker 1: the green looks a lot bigger than you think. And
Speaker 1: I still remember the second time I played it, I went, wow,
Speaker 1: it looks a lot smaller than I think. Not last time.
Speaker 1: It continually gets smaller and smaller than more times you play, going, man,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think it is only a wedge,
Speaker 1: isn't it? This is crazy? But you know, the older
Speaker 1: you get, the smaller it gets. To trust me, I
Speaker 1: could only imagine so. And I don't want to put
Speaker 1: you on the spot here, Curtis. You told me an
Speaker 1: unbelievable story once about the players. You already said it's
Speaker 1: not your favorite golf course in the world. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's a golf course that when it's going bad,
Speaker 1: the best in the world can go out there and
Speaker 1: shoot seventy eight, seventy nine or eighty. And you're telling
Speaker 1: me a story back of the day. I think it
Speaker 1: was USA was broadcasting the early coverage. You were struggling.
Speaker 1: I think you said you were about to miss a
Speaker 1: cut and you had a moment in the woods and
Speaker 1: and you lost your temper, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you turned around and you went, oh man, they got
Speaker 1: me on cam. No, I didn't really lose my temper.
Speaker 1: I'll actually is playing quite well as playing with Trevienno
Speaker 1: or to watch in the first two days, and this
Speaker 1: was her Friday, I think for people, which is really
Speaker 1: a hard part for I don't know why it's such
Speaker 1: a wide fairway for our listeners this weekend, but it's intimidating.
Speaker 1: And so left waist area, I hit a tree out
Speaker 1: of that end up making triple well after I hit
Speaker 1: in the waist there and hit a tree that catchers
Speaker 1: met up there threw it into swamp deeper. I I
Speaker 1: started to tell myself how much I hated myself and
Speaker 1: knowing certain terms, and how much I hated this golf
Speaker 1: course and can't wait to get out of here. And
Speaker 1: I hate myself again in case I didn't hear myself
Speaker 1: the first time. With all these cold por phrases which
Speaker 1: we all do have and it got on TV and
Speaker 1: I got a little bit. I gotta quite large fine
Speaker 1: for that one. But it was funny because the boom might.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you some about these boom mics. They
Speaker 1: can pick up a nat part in fifty yards, so
Speaker 1: you have to be careful on the sidelines of the
Speaker 1: game or on the sidelines of the golf tournament. And
Speaker 1: it's it's funny now, but it was. It was embarrassing
Speaker 1: at the time. You were telling me that you you
Speaker 1: kind of like when you were you were kind of
Speaker 1: having a little bit of a moment and you turn
Speaker 1: around you went on, man, I didn't I didn't see
Speaker 1: that boom Mike, and you knew you just knew the
Speaker 1: fine was coming. I'm sure there were a couple of
Speaker 1: moments like that where you're going, I'm just waiting for
Speaker 1: the letter. Just give me the letter. Don't talk say
Speaker 1: anything to me, don't give me a fatherly talk. Just
Speaker 1: give me the damn letter. Let me pay it and
Speaker 1: then and that's what. Yeah, that's the point is like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know there are times where the tempers
Speaker 1: get two players, and especially now with with so much coverage,
Speaker 1: and it's a bad look. I mean, you can go
Speaker 1: to Sergio earlier this year. Obviously, if you're damaging greens
Speaker 1: and guys are putting on them, that's terrible. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't like one of the things I don't like
Speaker 1: to see. And you see it more and more now hours.
Speaker 1: When a guy hits a bad bunker shot and then
Speaker 1: he replays the bunger shot and knocks a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of more sand on the green, I just feel like
Speaker 1: that's you know that. I mean, if somebody gets in
Speaker 1: that position and they're behind the whole bunch of clumpus scene,
Speaker 1: I guess now you can move it. But those are
Speaker 1: the kinds of things that temper gets a little in
Speaker 1: the way. But everybody's lost their temper, and good mistakes
Speaker 1: on the golf course, yeah, my gosh, it's it's a
Speaker 1: frustrating game. And you have to remember it's a frustrating game.
Speaker 1: You're doing it for your loblihood on the biggest stage,
Speaker 1: for instance, this week, and there's a lot of pressure,
Speaker 1: and you've been at it this year already for twelve
Speaker 1: weeks or so, and you might be a little tired,
Speaker 1: you might be frustrated, you know, and you just kind
Speaker 1: of kind of gets the best of you. Now you
Speaker 1: know today's social media and every move you make, if
Speaker 1: you're a star, every move you make, somebody's watching. It
Speaker 1: would be tough. You. You know, in my day you
Speaker 1: can make mistakes and get away with it, but now
Speaker 1: you can't. So you have to be aware that everything
Speaker 1: you do or say is going to get out there
Speaker 1: in in in the in the cyber world. And I
Speaker 1: feel for the gods, But on the other hand, you know,
Speaker 1: they're all they're all buttoned up. They really do well.
Speaker 1: I mean, Sergio snaps once in a while, and who doesn't.
Speaker 1: But I think they're so well behaved and it's so
Speaker 1: good people that golf is really lucky right now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. You know, I did PJ Tour last week
Speaker 1: at bay Hill, and you follow these guys around for
Speaker 1: for eighteen holes, and the cameras on him the entire round.
Speaker 1: And in the early early part of the week, you're
Speaker 1: following the big names and you're hoping they have a
Speaker 1: good week. And then you get to the weekend and
Speaker 1: you're not gonna follow the leaders because you've got to
Speaker 1: go a little early, and so you'll still follow big names.
Speaker 1: But what I've found very interesting is you follow the
Speaker 1: big names who are not playing well, and I love
Speaker 1: watching as a broadcaster their attitudes. You know, Justin Rose
Speaker 1: had a great moment. He hit it in the rough
Speaker 1: on I think it was on eleven on Sunday, and
Speaker 1: we're following him and he's not playing very well and
Speaker 1: he hits this kind of chunk runner with the fairway
Speaker 1: wood and it runs up to the front of the green,
Speaker 1: and I mean, they're having the most fun they had
Speaker 1: all week about this kind of ridiculous punch out shot,
Speaker 1: you know, when Rory's laughing about a mud ball. I
Speaker 1: agree with you. I think the attitudes on the golf course,
Speaker 1: and it's probably a little bit because they know they
Speaker 1: have to be this way, but the attitude seemed to
Speaker 1: in certain guys remind you why they're so good, because
Speaker 1: they get a bad break and it doesn't beat them
Speaker 1: up for the day and they don't let that bad
Speaker 1: break ruin their week. Well exactly, and that's why they're
Speaker 1: consistently good. But I'll tell you something else. When you
Speaker 1: when you watch a guy who's not playing really well,
Speaker 1: now you see his true talent to hit that punch
Speaker 1: out with the wood, to hit the slice of the hook,
Speaker 1: the high low, the long bunker shot. There's where the
Speaker 1: talent really syltus is face. Now, you might not play
Speaker 1: well that day, but when you are all over the
Speaker 1: golf course, uh, you might be frustrated, but you still
Speaker 1: hit these incredible shots that the average player doesn't even
Speaker 1: think about. And that's where you really see a god's
Speaker 1: natural gift. And although he might seventy five, he's hit
Speaker 1: three four remarkable shots in that day, especially on a
Speaker 1: golf course like bay Hill. I don't remember bay Hill
Speaker 1: be in this hard. I know, I know it was
Speaker 1: tough throughout four years, but my goodness, you know, it's
Speaker 1: one of those courses they've always shot low scores on
Speaker 1: at times when the weather is good. But I could
Speaker 1: never understand that because it was a long, pretty difficult
Speaker 1: at Granted they hit it so much farther now, but
Speaker 1: in our day it was a long golf course and
Speaker 1: could really play long when you got those cool temperatures
Speaker 1: in in Orlando this time of year. But to me,
Speaker 1: bay Hill was always a pretty dog on hard golf course.
Speaker 1: And I don't I'm one of those that don't understand
Speaker 1: how to shoot these low scores because you really got
Speaker 1: to play really some good shots around there. You can't
Speaker 1: miss a golf shot. What was the golf course in
Speaker 1: your day that gave you the most fits? You know,
Speaker 1: it was on the schedule and when you got there,
Speaker 1: you're thinking, Man, this is gonna be a long four days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Yet what if you really felt that way
Speaker 1: about a week you just didn't go. He took that
Speaker 1: week off. But I always have tough time with Riviera. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know why. As great a layout as it is,
Speaker 1: uh And because I didn't play well there, it's not
Speaker 1: in my top ten or so, which is disrespectful to
Speaker 1: the golf course really, But I really had a tough
Speaker 1: time at San Diego, for instance. Here there's sixty threes
Speaker 1: and fours every day and I can't even break par
Speaker 1: and I couldn't understand it. But that's San Diego was
Speaker 1: probably my number one. And I'll tell you one other
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Speaker 1: All right, back to Curtis Well. I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: you a question about the modern day player and the
Speaker 1: approach to injuries because we had two guys this past
Speaker 1: week do it completely different. You know, Tiger was battling
Speaker 1: a little bit of a neck injury and decided not
Speaker 1: to play an event he was scheduled to play in
Speaker 1: bay Hill and he didn't even get didn't even make
Speaker 1: the start. Jason Day mentions after he withdraws on Thursday
Speaker 1: that he'd had neck injuries that had started the prior weekend.
Speaker 1: He goes out to give it a go, plays six
Speaker 1: or seven holes and w d s. And when you
Speaker 1: do that, of course, you know there's a spot that
Speaker 1: basically has left open for the week that somebody could
Speaker 1: have got in, an alternate could have got in. What
Speaker 1: what's your thoughts on that. I mean, is is that
Speaker 1: something that if you're in that position and you want
Speaker 1: to give it a go, you should have that opportunity.
Speaker 1: Or do you like what Tiger does? When maybe it's
Speaker 1: it's he doesn't feel like he's got a chance to
Speaker 1: really compete, so why go out there and give it
Speaker 1: a go. Well, we're both speculating right here, but I
Speaker 1: will say this. I played injured more than once, less
Speaker 1: than twenty five times on tour and you just go
Speaker 1: through to play. Don't ever tell me somebody who did
Speaker 1: this for a long time. Don't ever tell me that
Speaker 1: that Jason took a spot away from an alternate when
Speaker 1: he really truly wanted to go try to play golf.
Speaker 1: That's his prerogative. That's the competitiveness, competitor in him to
Speaker 1: go try. And it acted up and he said I
Speaker 1: can't go anymore and you and you pull out. I
Speaker 1: never had to do something like that, but at once
Speaker 1: I did. But that's that's that's his choice. So don't
Speaker 1: tell me the number one on the alternate list didn't
Speaker 1: get in from him. Um, I don't really care. In
Speaker 1: Tiger's case, we don't know because if he thought it
Speaker 1: was really gonna aggravate him by playing didn't pull out?
Speaker 1: Do do think it's right? And the players are doing
Speaker 1: what they think is right with their own bodies, in
Speaker 1: their own competitive spirit and and their schedule. Everybody's different.
Speaker 1: It seems like you pick those two and they're the
Speaker 1: two that gosh, they're so injury prone. And is it?
Speaker 1: Is it the weight room? Is it the practice? Is
Speaker 1: it the is it the you know, hitting too many balls?
Speaker 1: Um Entire's case, it could be all of the above.
Speaker 1: Who knows. In Jason's case, it looks like he breaks
Speaker 1: down a lot. And you know, there was some years
Speaker 1: ago that when Jason was just coming on the scene,
Speaker 1: I really thought Jason Day was gonna be the next
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods as far as record. Maybe not quite that good,
Speaker 1: but I thought he was gonna be the dominant player
Speaker 1: like DJ is, or like Brooks is, or like um,
Speaker 1: you know, justin Thomas. I know he's gonna be the guy.
Speaker 1: He's so talented with so long but he continues to,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, enter himself. So there's been people like
Speaker 1: that over the years. He seems to be one and
Speaker 1: is disappointed from me as a fan because that guy
Speaker 1: has so much talent, so much talent, but maybe one
Speaker 1: day he'll get healthy. Well, we'll just have to wait
Speaker 1: and see. Yeah, it's a good point. I mean when
Speaker 1: you think about what Jason Day did, I mean, he
Speaker 1: nearly won the Masters in this kind of like come back,
Speaker 1: a fairback. I think it was two thousand and eleven,
Speaker 1: and of course the pg Championship. But you know, I
Speaker 1: think Jason Day is one of those players that you know,
Speaker 1: he has the length. You know, he kind of hits
Speaker 1: the ball, you know, sky high and can do that
Speaker 1: around some of these firm and fast golf courses. But
Speaker 1: you know, he's such an underrated putter. I mean, one
Speaker 1: of the best putters on the PGA Tour. I mean
Speaker 1: when you combine all of those types of things, that
Speaker 1: would be how you would kind of cut together a
Speaker 1: professional golfer. So he's kind of the forgotten man in
Speaker 1: that list of players. Right now, I think he's eleventh
Speaker 1: in the world. I mean, he's still finishing high, he's
Speaker 1: still winning occasionally. But I'm with you a little bit.
Speaker 1: I've been a bit surprised the falloff since he won
Speaker 1: the PGA Championship because I thought when he did that,
Speaker 1: we were gonna see Jason Day joined you know, Speth
Speaker 1: and Rory in that three four five major win category
Speaker 1: and h And it'll be interesting to see if you
Speaker 1: can get back there, because I think he does have
Speaker 1: the skills and the talent. If he can't stay healthy,
Speaker 1: well he really hasn't. And I've watched play you know,
Speaker 1: standard and he's incredible and you know, a great perfect
Speaker 1: body to play golf and fit and the whole thing.
Speaker 1: You know, he started having babies, and you know, people
Speaker 1: react to fatherhood. By the way, congratulations on future fatherhood.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. I spent yesterday building a crib
Speaker 1: and I didn't mess it up once, so I'm very
Speaker 1: out happy with myself. A crib and a bookshelf, by
Speaker 1: the way. The bookshelf, as you know, when you're building stuff,
Speaker 1: the fear is always opening the box, like how many
Speaker 1: pieces it is going to be? Oh my god, this
Speaker 1: bookshelf was like four pieces and that's it. It took
Speaker 1: me about twelve minutes to do it. I like gave
Speaker 1: my wife high five and said thank you for that.
Speaker 1: That's diapers take you longer than twelve minutes. Okay, But anyway,
Speaker 1: you know, people react to you know, maybe injuries, Uh,
Speaker 1: babies at home, you don't want to leave. People react differently,
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's human nature and it's a good thing.
Speaker 1: But maybe the edge isn't there. Who knows. Um, I'd
Speaker 1: hate to think the edge isn't there, but we're getting
Speaker 1: older that type thing. So UM, I just think the
Speaker 1: world of his game. That's all I can say now.
Speaker 1: And hope he hope for for iar fake fans fake
Speaker 1: and golf fake, that he that he gets it back.
Speaker 1: And like you said, he's still eleven in the world
Speaker 1: and we say, what the hell is are we? But
Speaker 1: I hope he really gets back and starts contending in
Speaker 1: the four majors. All right? Now, want to ask you
Speaker 1: about social media. This is something that you've really adopted
Speaker 1: and it's something you enjoy. I mean, I've been around
Speaker 1: you on the road and you like the interactions. You
Speaker 1: like commenting, you like giving people praise when they win.
Speaker 1: I noticed you you send up in Molinary about you know,
Speaker 1: the final round and how well he played in congrats
Speaker 1: on keeping the momentum going. Well, why have you adapted?
Speaker 1: It's so I guess so quickly and and how much?
Speaker 1: And why is it something that you enjoy so much.
Speaker 1: You know, I really do enjoy it. And for this
Speaker 1: simple reason, I think I'm giving some people out there
Speaker 1: that are generous enough to follow me, uh, some inside baseball.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm trying to give them. If they follow me,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be much other than something maybe some
Speaker 1: answers of Sam Sneeze swinging. And let's not forget how
Speaker 1: damn good he was, or Ben Hogan or Jack Nicholas
Speaker 1: or Byron Nelson in forty five and he won all
Speaker 1: those tournaments and things that if they if if I
Speaker 1: sit down there and watch Sam Sneak swing two or
Speaker 1: three times, I'm thinking my golf followers might like that too,
Speaker 1: So I put it out there. Or you know, just
Speaker 1: when I congratulate somebody, you know, just give him a
Speaker 1: blip of of why what impressed me that week watching
Speaker 1: him on TV or just whatever, just some inside baseball.
Speaker 1: I just I just love I mean, I don't love it.
Speaker 1: I do it because I feel like I should, uh,
Speaker 1: but uh, I just kind of I enjoy it, and
Speaker 1: you know, stay away from the politics and religion I did.
Speaker 1: I just tweet out of my only political tweet here
Speaker 1: over the holidays, and it was not It was not good.
Speaker 1: It was not good. So it will be my first
Speaker 1: and last. That's one of those where you go, I'll
Speaker 1: just delete this. I had to test the waters and
Speaker 1: I got calleds and names, and I said, I as said,
Speaker 1: I won't do that again. You know, I I liked
Speaker 1: a tweet. You know, they're not even my tweet. I
Speaker 1: like to tweet about six months ago that had a
Speaker 1: little bit of politics in it, and I got people
Speaker 1: yelling at me about that. I mean, what even my tweet.
Speaker 1: It wasn't even my words. I just liked something and
Speaker 1: some guys said, I'll just popped up my feet. Why
Speaker 1: are you doing this? And it's one of those things
Speaker 1: you said, you go, you know what. I did it once.
Speaker 1: That's enough. This is never again. I'm gonna talk about
Speaker 1: golf and sports. Don't I have the right to have
Speaker 1: an opinion, and if that opinion, if that opinion to
Speaker 1: back off might bleed over into whatever, you know what
Speaker 1: it's it's it's okay, you know it's okay, So um
Speaker 1: I whatever, I stay away from it. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: give them some inside baseball that they're not going to
Speaker 1: get anywhere else. And and I and I stick to that,
Speaker 1: and I've enjoyed that. Yes, I think that's the way
Speaker 1: to do it. You're you're followers at golf underscore Strange
Speaker 1: by the way of people want to follow Curtis Strange
Speaker 1: on Twitter, and hey, you do it. He's a lot
Speaker 1: of fun, he's a good follow and he'll interact with you.
Speaker 1: So it's like a major champion interacting with everybody at
Speaker 1: home just hanging out. I just want to ask you
Speaker 1: a quick question about Pebble Beach and uh and as
Speaker 1: we near the US Open there we all get a
Speaker 1: chance to watch Pebble Beach yearly. Just give people an
Speaker 1: idea of the difference of Pebble Beach at the US
Speaker 1: Open and Pebble Beach during the ProLAN Wow. Um, same
Speaker 1: golf course might use might use one or two back
Speaker 1: teas that ordinarily that they don't use in the A,
Speaker 1: T and T. Uh. Nine and ten had new back
Speaker 1: teas that we saw them the US Amateur last year.
Speaker 1: Um uh that real back back to at seventeen that
Speaker 1: plays two thirty or so, they'll use that, which they
Speaker 1: don't play in the A, T and T. But more
Speaker 1: than anything else, they narrow the fairways, and I hope
Speaker 1: in there are the fairways. We just don't know until
Speaker 1: we get there. Ordinarily they narrow the fairways and grow
Speaker 1: plenty of rough and trying to get the greens as
Speaker 1: hard and fast as they can. And that's a US
Speaker 1: Open set up. Are used to Beach. You've got to
Speaker 1: be careful with Pebble Beach because the greens are so
Speaker 1: small and have quite a bit of slope, so speak
Speaker 1: can hurt you, and being too firm can hurt you
Speaker 1: when you as I said earlier, you've got to give
Speaker 1: the players a chance, the best players in the world,
Speaker 1: but you still have to give him a chance to play.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know at times that Pebble Beach have
Speaker 1: been really really hard, but you know, you have to
Speaker 1: defend the golf course a little bit. And it is
Speaker 1: the US Open. It should be the toughest test. I
Speaker 1: just haven't been a huge fan of, you know, some
Speaker 1: of the recent setups, and it's not because well it
Speaker 1: is because of controversy. I just want to let Pebble
Speaker 1: Beach be the star let shannikok, you know, be the
Speaker 1: star let. The great venues, be the star along with
Speaker 1: the best players in the World. Pebble Beach, you don't
Speaker 1: have to do much too though. Um, it's it's a
Speaker 1: wonderful place, it's iconic, it's wet at Fox you and
Speaker 1: I can't wait to go and televis the US Open
Speaker 1: there um and it's it's it's the greatest event that
Speaker 1: that I can never play in, so I look forward
Speaker 1: to it every year. But Pebble was really a cool
Speaker 1: place to go play the Open, Curtis, when you you've
Speaker 1: been in the booth before obviously, and you an hour
Speaker 1: on the ground a lot for us, Which one do
Speaker 1: you like more? I truly have embraced and like, by
Speaker 1: the way, yeah, I was just gonna ask, like, which
Speaker 1: one do you prefer or like more? And uh? And
Speaker 1: why is being on the ground so much fun for
Speaker 1: you these days at these U s Opens? Well, mainly
Speaker 1: because I'm just talking golf, um, And I don't mean
Speaker 1: that in any way other than I'm talking about the
Speaker 1: shots at that moment for that player and trying to
Speaker 1: give them something that they can't see or feel through
Speaker 1: the TV screen. Um. That's tough to do because sometimes
Speaker 1: it's a straight up seven iron hundred seventy perfect lie,
Speaker 1: perfect green. What else do you say, you know, it's
Speaker 1: sometimes it's like playing at a dome, so there's not
Speaker 1: a lot, you know. To me, Mike, my job on
Speaker 1: the ground gets more specific, more important when the guy
Speaker 1: is in trouble. What type of lie, what type of shot,
Speaker 1: what type of you know, chance, that type of stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: Now the booth is is a different animal. Uh, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have poising and work with us again. Although he's
Speaker 1: you know, with NBC now and doing a great job.
Speaker 1: But when you're in the booth or in the whole announcer, you're,
Speaker 1: you know, gotta have an antidote about somebody, tidbit about
Speaker 1: somebody once in a while, a little nugget, a little story, uh,
Speaker 1: and set up the hole and then set up the encoorse.
Speaker 1: So it's a little different animal. But I've enjoyed all
Speaker 1: of them. But uh, I like being out there in
Speaker 1: the middle of the in the middle of the game.
Speaker 1: I I've really enjoyed that. I really really was honored
Speaker 1: and enjoyed being with Bruce kept Gilac Brooks Kepco last
Speaker 1: year at the when he went back to back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, of course you were right there to congratulate
Speaker 1: him doing something that you did the last to do
Speaker 1: it last thing. I just watched Losers on Netflix, Curtis,
Speaker 1: and of course I get to see your face unexpectedly
Speaker 1: talking about Van Develp. Now twenty years later, you were
Speaker 1: in the booth with Tariko talking a little bit about broadcasting,
Speaker 1: and all I could think is, I'm watching this. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I've seen and read, you know, fifty things
Speaker 1: about Vandervelt over the years. But I was I was
Speaker 1: very injured used at a great line he said. We
Speaker 1: didn't say much because there was nothing much to say,
Speaker 1: And I was thinking, you know, people don't know when
Speaker 1: things like this are happening, and this is obviously one
Speaker 1: of the rarest things ever in golf. Is I could
Speaker 1: only imagine the looks between you and Mike back and
Speaker 1: forth as he's pulling two iron and taking his shoes off.
Speaker 1: What was it like in the booth during that whole thing. Wow,
Speaker 1: we weren't even looking at the monitors. Our booth is
Speaker 1: halfway down eighteen, so we were standing up looking over
Speaker 1: top the monitors, looking out the window as Rossie and
Speaker 1: Mike and I were talking, and uh, it was it
Speaker 1: was to to televise into chronicle controversy or a disaster
Speaker 1: like that is very, very tough to do because you
Speaker 1: want to give it to justice. You want to give
Speaker 1: it the the analysts as somebody who's been there and
Speaker 1: done that and screwed up. But you you don't want
Speaker 1: to be mean spirited, but you have to tell the
Speaker 1: viewer what is really going on here, and you know
Speaker 1: in in in controversy, it's not easy. The thing comes
Speaker 1: to mind as Dustin Johnson h Oakmont, you know, three
Speaker 1: years ago or so when he won. But in Vanderbilt's case,
Speaker 1: it was the wildest thing I've ever had to try
Speaker 1: to talk about. And I don't want to talk about
Speaker 1: it like I'm sitting at the bar or home talking
Speaker 1: to friends, because you would be brutal and mean spirited.
Speaker 1: But you're trying to give inside baseball to the viewers
Speaker 1: out there. And what came out of my mouth after
Speaker 1: watching you gotta remember this thing took forty minutes to
Speaker 1: play the whole but you I finally hit my my
Speaker 1: talk back to my producer and can I say that us?
Speaker 1: He said, go now, so when he's standing in the water,
Speaker 1: I said, this is the most stupid thing I've ever
Speaker 1: seen in my life. And I stand by that comment
Speaker 1: to this day. I didn't call John stupid. I liked
Speaker 1: the man. He's handled that spectacularly as a gentleman. If
Speaker 1: that's and and but I I had to tell the
Speaker 1: viewer and the listener what I was thought as somebody
Speaker 1: who has been there one tournaments and lost tournaments, and
Speaker 1: it was till this day. It was because you had
Speaker 1: a chance to think about every shot, and he chose
Speaker 1: poorly on every shot, and he lost the open, and
Speaker 1: you hate as a competitor. I don't see anybody ever
Speaker 1: lose a golf tournament. I want to see him win
Speaker 1: a golf tournament. When you when you, when you don't
Speaker 1: do well, come down the stretch, it is hard for
Speaker 1: us to call. But in that case it's It's my
Speaker 1: defining moment in TV and trick when I were just
Speaker 1: flabbergasted and it was and Rossie was phenomenal on the ground.
Speaker 1: Uh he just I felt for him. I felt for him,
Speaker 1: but I had to do my job absolutely and and
Speaker 1: and again I I said this on Twitter. You guys
Speaker 1: were so good and at that moment, because it's again,
Speaker 1: that is so hard. It's so easy to be waxing
Speaker 1: poetically about jordan'spath walking up the eighteenth fairway at Chambers
Speaker 1: Bay to win the US Open. That and I don't
Speaker 1: want to say easy, but that is the part of
Speaker 1: the job that you're prepared for. You're not prepared for
Speaker 1: a got to make seven on the last tole of
Speaker 1: the three shot leads. So I thought, you guys, you
Speaker 1: guys crushed it. If you haven't seen it. Losers on
Speaker 1: Netflix absolutely worth your time. Well, it's a twelve part
Speaker 1: series on different people and teams that have lost. I
Speaker 1: hate the title losers because none of these people are
Speaker 1: losers that we wouldn't be talking about them that they
Speaker 1: were great champions have to lost the dramatic event. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you one other example was our first year at
Speaker 1: Fox at Chambers Bay. You talk Chambers Bay for to
Speaker 1: Chronicle and talk about uh, Dustin Johnson. Three putting from
Speaker 1: fifth team feed on the last hole is very, very difficult,
Speaker 1: and I think Greg Norman found that out on live TV.
Speaker 1: It's tough to do, but you have to put yourself
Speaker 1: in his shoes and as somebody who's again been there
Speaker 1: and done then in Greg Norman's case, not picking on Greg,
Speaker 1: it's tough to do, but you have to give us
Speaker 1: some inside baseball on what just happened here. And uh,
Speaker 1: I just think the job is tougher than people think
Speaker 1: it is. And it's you know, because you do it
Speaker 1: all the time, but it's it's not easy, and to
Speaker 1: try to get it from my brain out my mouth
Speaker 1: sometimes is the most That's the toughest thing I ever
Speaker 1: do right without getting fired. That's the key, you know,
Speaker 1: that's getting fired. Yeah, And that's the Johnny Miller thing.
Speaker 1: You know that that is why I think there was
Speaker 1: there was and I don't want to say, you know,
Speaker 1: Johnny Mill was a controversial figure because he was one
Speaker 1: of the best of all time. But what he did
Speaker 1: was he spoke of the moment, not the player. And
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the time people think he
Speaker 1: spoke of the player, not the moment. He wasn't saying
Speaker 1: this player is doing this. He's saying and we are
Speaker 1: watching this happen. And I think that is again the
Speaker 1: best players in the world of choke. I mean, tagger
Speaker 1: Woods missed a very makeable put against way Yang that
Speaker 1: we've never really seen a miss before and that was
Speaker 1: either you know, a battery, a bad put, or he
Speaker 1: was in his own head, and I mean that happens.
Speaker 1: It happens to grade the greats. It happened to Jack,
Speaker 1: it happened to Arnie. I mean, I'm sure it happened
Speaker 1: to you at times, and it's happened to everybody, So
Speaker 1: it's not it's not knocking the person that's doing it.
Speaker 1: I just hate the word choke because it's so negative.
Speaker 1: But we've all not handled pressure. There's an enormous amount
Speaker 1: of pressure coming down the last not holes of a
Speaker 1: golf tournament, and then you put it tenfold in a
Speaker 1: major championship. But when you're young, you're going up not
Speaker 1: do well because you've never experienced it. And once you
Speaker 1: experience it once or twice or three times, now you learn.
Speaker 1: That's when you learn how to play the game. Is
Speaker 1: how your body reacts when it's uncomfortable on that stage
Speaker 1: and chokes the wrong word. It's just learning how to
Speaker 1: play this game at the highest level. And it's not
Speaker 1: just a golf it's every sport and every business. People
Speaker 1: choke in the business room or the conference room when
Speaker 1: you get nervous, and sometimes you don't think properly, you
Speaker 1: don't react properly, So it's I just don't like the
Speaker 1: word choke, but you better learn from it because it's
Speaker 1: not gonna get any easier. Um and it's but it's
Speaker 1: it's true. Hell I choke on TV? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: Like I said from from from Brain to Mouse, Sometimes
Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't relate, just not always rolls right
Speaker 1: off the tongue. I I understand. I've been there. Well, Curtis,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time. Like I said, I
Speaker 1: know you. Uh, you want to what are we what
Speaker 1: are we fishing for today? When you get off the line,
Speaker 1: We're a little snip fishing today. Yeah, just do you
Speaker 1: know enjoying the eighty three degree weather today down here
Speaker 1: in Florida. Yeah, get a little fishing in before the
Speaker 1: player starts. I appreciate it. Curtis Strange. Of course, follow
Speaker 1: him at Golf Underscore Strange on Twitter and you will
Speaker 1: see him a part of all of our Fox coverage
Speaker 1: throughout the summer. So make sure you get ready to
Speaker 1: tune into that. It will be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Big USJA venues we got in. Thanks man, Thanks Shane,
Speaker 1: good talk to you. It looks like I'm a big
Speaker 1: Thanks to Curtis Strange for jumping on the podcast. Always
Speaker 1: love having his insight and his general honesty. Love the
Speaker 1: honesty from Curtis Strange. He's one of the best. Make
Speaker 1: sure you follow him on Twitter at golf Underscore Strange.
Speaker 1: He is a great follow. He he'll he'll talk about
Speaker 1: things happening on the golf course and he doesn't really
Speaker 1: hold back. I know that's no surprise from a man
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