WEBVTT - Ep. 431: Foundations - A Trail Camera Overview

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide

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<v Speaker 1>to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, and now your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Peterson. Hey, folks, welcome to the Wire to Hunt

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<v Speaker 1>Foundations podcast, which is brought to you by First Light.

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<v Speaker 1>This week's show is all about understanding the technology behind

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<v Speaker 1>trail cameras so that you can take your digital scouting

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<v Speaker 1>to a higher level. After last week's excursions into the

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<v Speaker 1>summertime white tail jungle, it's time for a little retail

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<v Speaker 1>therapy at your local sporting goods store so you can

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<v Speaker 1>stock up on some trail cameras. While we almost all

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<v Speaker 1>use these digital scouters to some extent, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>us don't really understand all that modern trail cameras really offered.

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<v Speaker 1>I had an AHA moment, not really that long ago,

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<v Speaker 1>include me into the fact that I don't treat trail

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<v Speaker 1>camera us like real cameras, and I should and I

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<v Speaker 1>think you should too, because you'll get better pictures, better videos,

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<v Speaker 1>and better overall intel if you do that, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>a good thing in the deer woods. My friends. Hey, everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to the Wire to Hunt Foundations podcast. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Peterson. I hope after last week you rubbed some

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<v Speaker 1>calamine lotion on your mosquito bites and you've spent enough

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<v Speaker 1>time rooting around in your various body crevices to know

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<v Speaker 1>whether you found all the ticks that hopped on when

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<v Speaker 1>you were out there burning some boot leather last week.

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<v Speaker 1>I promised you that things would get more fun, and

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<v Speaker 1>this week they will. This episode is all about trail

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<v Speaker 1>cameras themselves. In the next couple of episodes, I'll get

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<v Speaker 1>pretty far into the trail camera weeds, with strategies and

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<v Speaker 1>where to place them, how long to leave them out,

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<v Speaker 1>and why you'd opt for a traditional model versus a

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<v Speaker 1>cellular option. But for now, it's time to think about

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<v Speaker 1>trail cameras and what you should buy to maximize your

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<v Speaker 1>scouting efforts. The good news on this front is that

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<v Speaker 1>you no longer have to go broke to get a

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<v Speaker 1>quality model, because this is one category that has just

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely exploded in recent years. There are dozens of trail

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<v Speaker 1>camera companies, and like most new hunting technology, these things

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<v Speaker 1>started out mostly in a small market of super serious

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<v Speaker 1>white tail bow hunters, but as more options became available,

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<v Speaker 1>they've moved into the general firearm world and have absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>overtaken all other scouting methods for deer hunters from Canada

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<v Speaker 1>on down to the shores of the Gulf. That in

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<v Speaker 1>and of itself isn't bad for the average weekend warrior

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<v Speaker 1>who just wants to see what bucks are in the woods.

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<v Speaker 1>For the die hard hunter, trail cameras can be an

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<v Speaker 1>amazing tool to having the kit, provided that they don't

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<v Speaker 1>convince you that you no longer need to actually scout.

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<v Speaker 1>And if this hits a little bit too close to home,

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<v Speaker 1>don't fret. We've all been there. I went through a

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<v Speaker 1>phase in my life, particularly when I had two babies

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<v Speaker 1>at home and I was hunting a lot of small,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty acre type of properties, where I convinced myself that

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<v Speaker 1>two seven digital scouters were just good enough. The problem

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<v Speaker 1>I found after a couple of seasons was that I

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<v Speaker 1>could still kill deer regularly on traveling public land hunts,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was getting my ass absolutely whooped during home

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<v Speaker 1>game hunts where I should have had the most advantage

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<v Speaker 1>because I was using trail cameras. Now it doesn't bother

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<v Speaker 1>me to get beat by the deer, because I've been

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<v Speaker 1>beat by the deer nearly every time I've ever hunted them.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get mad when I lose an argument with

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<v Speaker 1>my wife either. What actually bothered me during that time

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<v Speaker 1>of my life where I was leaning too hard on

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<v Speaker 1>cameras was that I wasn't hunting as much because I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't getting encouraging pictures. It kept me from going out

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<v Speaker 1>and sitting in observation stands or doing a little in

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<v Speaker 1>season scouting to figure out where the fresh sign was.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only was I waiting for the deer to come

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<v Speaker 1>to my spots, I was waiting for them to walk

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<v Speaker 1>past my cameras in those spots. That's a losing proposition.

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<v Speaker 1>I've since then realized the error of my ways and

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<v Speaker 1>have altered my strategy, which, as I already said, will

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<v Speaker 1>get covered plenty in the next couple of shows. But

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<v Speaker 1>before them, I think it's probably a good idea to

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<v Speaker 1>break down camera choice and accessories. Now have you ever

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<v Speaker 1>just looked at an advertisement for a trail camera? Of

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<v Speaker 1>course you have. You've seen plenty of marketing speak and

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<v Speaker 1>some flashy numbers thrown around, not unlike Bow companies touting

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<v Speaker 1>Ibo aerospeeds that might sound impressive but probably really don't

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<v Speaker 1>mean much. To you and your individual drawway, draw length,

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<v Speaker 1>aero choice, or hunting style. When it comes to trail cameras,

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<v Speaker 1>do those numbers mean anything to you? Should they? Maybe?

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<v Speaker 1>Take the megapixels advertised with a camera. For example, you

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<v Speaker 1>can find reasonably priced options that boast twenty to even

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<v Speaker 1>thirty megapixels, which simply boils down to image clarity. The

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<v Speaker 1>more pixels they cram in their higher resolution and the

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<v Speaker 1>photos will be to hire the resolution, the more you

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<v Speaker 1>can zoom in and see clear details versus just a

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<v Speaker 1>buck looking blob of grainy bullshit. Higher megapixels might matter,

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<v Speaker 1>or if your cams are typically set on a mineral

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<v Speaker 1>site or some other deer positioning attractant might not be

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal. You might be thinking, so what is

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<v Speaker 1>the ideal megapixel number? That's a great question and one

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<v Speaker 1>you should direct message Mark Kenyon about because I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think anyone in the world would see a

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<v Speaker 1>difference in trail camera recon between a camera that is

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<v Speaker 1>built with twenty megapixels versus thirty. You'll definitely see image

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<v Speaker 1>quality degradation if you can find a camera with a

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<v Speaker 1>really low number of megapixels. But in reality, the latest

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<v Speaker 1>models that aren't total clunkers are going to deliver crisp

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<v Speaker 1>enough picks for the average deer hunter's use. You'll see

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing happen when it comes to video quality.

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<v Speaker 1>Many models offer four K quality video clips. Now, this,

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<v Speaker 1>my friends, is bananas and also pretty awesome. If you

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<v Speaker 1>run video, and you absolutely should in certain situations like

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<v Speaker 1>during the rut or while monitoring an October community scrape,

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<v Speaker 1>then higher quality clips are always better, especially for nighttime captures.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a catch here, though, with this quality imagery and

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<v Speaker 1>videos that you're going to get if you go this route,

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<v Speaker 1>you should really consider your SD card choice as well.

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<v Speaker 1>The Cheapo's that they sell next to the trail cameras

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<v Speaker 1>that Cabela's probably aren't a great choice. You're now dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with a real camera that actually needs a quality SD card,

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<v Speaker 1>So headed the electronics store over to tar j and

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<v Speaker 1>buy a card that not only offers the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>gigs you need for the storage, but also a decent

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<v Speaker 1>right speed. And what this means is that some cards

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<v Speaker 1>can write up to like a hundred megabytes of data

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<v Speaker 1>per second. If you're capturing one or two minute clips

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<v Speaker 1>of four K video amped up right speed is real important,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's good news here too. Just like with the cameras,

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<v Speaker 1>quality s D card options are cheaper than they've ever been,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's still important to shop for a decent one

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<v Speaker 1>that won't fill up in three days or bogged down

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<v Speaker 1>when it's supposed to be capturing amazing footage of a

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<v Speaker 1>buck rubbing his forehead all over a licking branch. Trail

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<v Speaker 1>cameras often have a maximum size SD card they can handle,

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<v Speaker 1>which is what I usually go for these days. That's

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<v Speaker 1>often something like a thirty two gig model, but in

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<v Speaker 1>a not too distant future it will likely be sixty

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<v Speaker 1>four or even And to take it a step further,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you might run it in video mode, look

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<v Speaker 1>for a class ten s D cards in the appropriate

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<v Speaker 1>storage size. These feature a minimum data right speed that

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<v Speaker 1>will serve all your trail camera needs. Another camera consideration

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<v Speaker 1>will involve flash. Most newer models offer nighttime flash that

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<v Speaker 1>will be either infrared or a no glow option. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're a camera shopping and you see one that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>offer this, it might have a white flash, just like

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<v Speaker 1>a wedding photographer setup. I've had a few of those

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<v Speaker 1>doozies in my day, and it might as well have

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<v Speaker 1>been out in the woods yelling at the deer as

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<v Speaker 1>they walk by, while making threatening movements in their direction

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<v Speaker 1>and occasionally throwing mountain lions at them. White flash is

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<v Speaker 1>no boy, no, my friends, especially if you hunt pressure deer. Fortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>the market has called out most of those options, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a trend I hope we see through to the

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<v Speaker 1>very end. When it comes to infrared versus no glow options,

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<v Speaker 1>which are also called black flash, sometimes you'll see that

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<v Speaker 1>more cameras offer infrared than anything. This red light flash

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<v Speaker 1>is visible to the deer at least on the camera

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<v Speaker 1>will light up, and that is a consideration, especially if

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<v Speaker 1>you're hunting spooky deer or plan to hang your cameras

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<v Speaker 1>at eye level. This is why I tend to lean

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<v Speaker 1>on the no glow options, although they might cost a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more. I'd rather spend up and have the

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<v Speaker 1>deer oblivious. But there are plenty of hunters out there

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<v Speaker 1>who put infrared flash cameras to good use and have

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely no problems with them. There are other features that

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<v Speaker 1>may or may not matter to you on cameras. Time

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<v Speaker 1>lapse is one of them. It's a useful tool for

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<v Speaker 1>monitor during food plots. Burst mode is another, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is something I use almost always if I've got my

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<v Speaker 1>cameras set solely for capturing images and not video. Burst mode,

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<v Speaker 1>which tends to offer anywhere from like two to maybe

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<v Speaker 1>nine images per triggering event, is a great way to

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<v Speaker 1>capture all of the bucks in a bachelor group that

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<v Speaker 1>might pass by, not just the leader, or to capture

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<v Speaker 1>a dough in November and then the buck that chases

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<v Speaker 1>after her a few seconds later. If you've got the

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<v Speaker 1>space on your memory card, there's no reason not to

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<v Speaker 1>let your camera shoot away other than it's a little

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<v Speaker 1>more of a pain to go through the photos when

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<v Speaker 1>you check your camera. It's also a good idea to

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<v Speaker 1>pay attention to recovery time of your camera. Sub one

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<v Speaker 1>second times are standard, but most cameras allow you to

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<v Speaker 1>choose if you want a longer break between triggering events. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>with enough storage available on your SD card, you probably

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<v Speaker 1>want as little downtime as possible on your camera, so

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<v Speaker 1>choose wisely, and in regard to specific situations like rut

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<v Speaker 1>time recon. You might very well notice that you're camera

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<v Speaker 1>often captures decent pictures of deer noses and butts. This

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<v Speaker 1>is almost as frustrating as hanging a camera and then

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<v Speaker 1>forgetting to actually turn it on, only to return a

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<v Speaker 1>month later to find that you've basically hung an expensive

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<v Speaker 1>paper weight in the woods. I've done this roughly three

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<v Speaker 1>thousand times in my life, and every single time it's

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<v Speaker 1>made me appreciate the fact that the government lets me

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<v Speaker 1>drive a car and use scissors without supervision. Some cameras

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<v Speaker 1>offer just one trigger speed, which is whatever they build in.

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<v Speaker 1>Others let you choose and you can cater them to

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<v Speaker 1>different situations. If you're capturing running bucks, the quicker the better.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're monitoring a food source or a mineral site,

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<v Speaker 1>you might not need a lightning fast trigger, and you might,

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<v Speaker 1>in this case just get the very bow of the

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<v Speaker 1>deer with no hope of seeing the stern again. There's

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<v Speaker 1>good news here, because you've got a pile of options,

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<v Speaker 1>and most of them are pretty reasonably priced. I say

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<v Speaker 1>that with a whole bunch of terror, however, because every

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<v Speaker 1>time I write about products or talk about them and

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<v Speaker 1>I say something like that, some random person out there

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<v Speaker 1>in anonymous tough guy land will say something like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I bet those erroos are worth it. For the guy

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<v Speaker 1>who makes your kind of money, or or I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>it's nice to have all those free bows and not

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<v Speaker 1>have to pay for them. Listen, folks, prices price, but

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<v Speaker 1>value is subjective. When it comes to trail cameras. The

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<v Speaker 1>most common question out there is what's the best camera

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<v Speaker 1>I can buy for X amount of money. No one

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<v Speaker 1>can answer that question for you, because no one knows.

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<v Speaker 1>The better question is what do you really want out

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<v Speaker 1>of a camera and which models deliver that. If there

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<v Speaker 1>are five on the list, are any in your price range?

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<v Speaker 1>If not, pretend it's the last day of the season,

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<v Speaker 1>your freezer is empty, and then there is a fat

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<v Speaker 1>forky walking in lower those standards. Bro, If one or

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<v Speaker 1>more of the cameras does fall into your budget, you've

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<v Speaker 1>got options. I'd say you could probably look up some

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<v Speaker 1>reviews on your perspective models, but also that it sure

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<v Speaker 1>seems like quality out there has leveled up drastically in

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<v Speaker 1>the last five years. It wasn't that long ago when

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<v Speaker 1>if you bought a cheap camera you might as well

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<v Speaker 1>just hit yourself in the head with it before throwing

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<v Speaker 1>it in the garbage. That way, you might learn your lesson,

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<v Speaker 1>and it would have ended up there anyway. If you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't noticed, one of the things I'm doing is a

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<v Speaker 1>writer's trick we call weasel words. I'm being really sneaking

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<v Speaker 1>and telling you what to buy without committing to tell

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<v Speaker 1>you what to buy. So I'll say this. Brand wise,

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<v Speaker 1>you're on your own. There are a lot of good

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<v Speaker 1>trail camera brands out there. Price wise, the sweet spot

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<v Speaker 1>for a solid camera that isn't a cellular option seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be about a hundred to two hundred bucks right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you do drop a Benjamin or two on

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<v Speaker 1>a camera, think about it like it is in fact

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<v Speaker 1>a camera. As someone who routinely hauls expensive camera geting

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<v Speaker 1>into the woods and on the water, I've learned a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of lessons about how to handle technology in the field.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, if you think you should just throw your

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<v Speaker 1>expensive DSLR camera in the backpack without it being in

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<v Speaker 1>a case because you're only going out for a morning

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<v Speaker 1>December muzzle order hunt on the farm just down the road,

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<v Speaker 1>don't set your pack down too hard on the cold

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<v Speaker 1>front steps to run back in and grab the coffee monke.

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<v Speaker 1>You forgot. Trail cameras are built for the woods, but

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<v Speaker 1>they are also worth taking care of. You're already going

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<v Speaker 1>to leave them out in the field for weeks, months,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe years at a time, try to keep them

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<v Speaker 1>stored in a dry, warmish place when they're not in duty.

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<v Speaker 1>When you do actually hang them in the woods, consider

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<v Speaker 1>what you would do to get an actual picture in

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<v Speaker 1>that spot at all times of the day. If it's

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<v Speaker 1>facing toward where the sun rises or sets, you might

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<v Speaker 1>be in trouble either in the morning or the evening

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<v Speaker 1>as the sun blazes away on the horizon. If your

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<v Speaker 1>camera sports a test mode option or features a built

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<v Speaker 1>in LCD screen for viewing, use them to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>you're set up is spot on. To take this a

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<v Speaker 1>step further, I also like to use an adjustable mount

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<v Speaker 1>and hang my cameras above my head, angling them down.

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<v Speaker 1>This keeps them from getting stolen sometimes, and it provides

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<v Speaker 1>a better look at bucks as they pass a deer's

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<v Speaker 1>eye level. Camera hang only works if the deer has

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<v Speaker 1>their head about level with their back as they walk through.

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<v Speaker 1>Oftentimes they stop and pick their head up, or they

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<v Speaker 1>put their nose to the ground to sniff away. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>rather capture the entirety of the deer every time versus

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<v Speaker 1>hoping I get lucky when they pass through. This is,

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<v Speaker 1>of course dependent on the setting. It's also easy to

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<v Speaker 1>think about camera angle in the same way we consider

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<v Speaker 1>shot angle with cameras set up on food picture of

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<v Speaker 1>the camera taking a broadside shot of deer travel, just

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<v Speaker 1>like you'd want to with a bow in your hand.

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<v Speaker 1>For a trail or a travel route, you might want

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<v Speaker 1>to point your camera down the trail for a quartering

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<v Speaker 1>two or quartering away shot to get a better look

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<v Speaker 1>at the passers by. Camera angle and mounting considerations are

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<v Speaker 1>important for another reason too. Some deer just seem to

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<v Speaker 1>be wise to cameras, or at the very least not

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<v Speaker 1>big fans of them. In northern Wisconsin where I hunt,

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<v Speaker 1>the deer have a very low tolerance for trail cameras.

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<v Speaker 1>They spook from them often. And I'm only speculating here,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think it's tied to the fact that baiting

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<v Speaker 1>is legal in the county I hunt. I think those

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<v Speaker 1>deer are so across them to danger around corn piles

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<v Speaker 1>that they associate anything else that's usually around those corn piles,

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<v Speaker 1>like cameras, which are always there with danger. Now I

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<v Speaker 1>know there are plenty of bucks that get shot up

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<v Speaker 1>there while munching away on the Golden secret and having

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<v Speaker 1>their picture taken. But I also know the prevalence of

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<v Speaker 1>images I get with dear spooking that aren't anywhere near

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<v Speaker 1>abait pile is really really high. Pay attention to the

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<v Speaker 1>images you're getting, and adjust your cameras accordingly. That is,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're putting cameras out. Yet some people like to

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<v Speaker 1>wait until later in the summer, reasoning that bucks will

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<v Speaker 1>be closer to a killable pattern. Then that's up to

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<v Speaker 1>the individual and probably not a terrible strategy, even if

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<v Speaker 1>it isn't as much fun as getting out now and

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<v Speaker 1>setting up some cameras. And on that note, I think

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<v Speaker 1>the best way to dive into this type of scouting

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<v Speaker 1>correctly is to circle back to your East scouting and

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<v Speaker 1>your boots on the ground efforts and start planning out

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<v Speaker 1>camera spots around that earlier work. Look at your way

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<v Speaker 1>points there in the places you can't watch or clearly

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<v Speaker 1>figure out by walking in and looking for sign start there,

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<v Speaker 1>or in the places you've already looked at that have

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<v Speaker 1>tickled your curiosity but you're not really sure if they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be worth some stand time in the fall.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the places worth starting with cameras, and that

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<v Speaker 1>can happen any day now, because if you get it right,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll have weeks or months of good intel building up.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you get it wrong, you've got time to

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<v Speaker 1>reset your camera strategy, which in the next episode is

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<v Speaker 1>about to get a hell of a lot more detailed.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm also going to go down the cellular camera rabbit

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<v Speaker 1>hole to make the case for and against them. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you're interested in taking your scouting game even further

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<v Speaker 1>and really maximizing your trail camera advantage, you're gonna want

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<v Speaker 1>to listen next week. That's it for this week, my

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<v Speaker 1>white tail obsessed brothers and sisters, be sure to tune

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<v Speaker 1>in next week for more deer hunting wisdom. I'm Tony

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<v Speaker 1>Peterson and this has been the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>As always, thank you so much for listening, and we

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<v Speaker 1>will see you right here next week