WEBVTT - Target Autopsy–Who Gets to Speak for the People? 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:03.240 Native lamd Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:07.600 with Reason's Joye. Okay, so I'm gonna do that again, 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:10.640 and the first time I'm gonna hear from you is 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:12.200 after I welcome everybody. 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:18.800 Two one, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, Welcome home. 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:19.119 Y'all. 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:21.799 This is episode seventy six of Native Lamp Pod where 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:23.720 we give it to you straight, no chaser, and we 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:25.239 talk about pretty much everything. 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:28.080 I am here with my co host Andrew Gilla. 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:31.960 Everybody. Welcome home, Welcome home, Welcome to my home. 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:32.680 I know. 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:35.479 Florida, you guys. 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:39.360 Angela, I will tell you in transparency, is on her way. 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:41.560 She is juggling a thousand. 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:42.600 Things and so to the ground. 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:46.280 Yes, she got stuck in traffic and so she is 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:47.640 joining us shortly. 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:51.440 So you're aware. The ladies are here to attend a conference. 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:55.959 We're attending a conference for women for black women. I'm 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:58.520 Keim Blackwell hosts the conference. We were here last year, 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.680 all three of us. Yes, and Andrew was quite the 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:02.120 hit on. 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:06.320 Stage, hit and more importantly, the audience was the head 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:08.399 They were That was one. 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:10.920 Of my favorite shows. So you guys remember that because 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:14.320 we did a live show that day. Also, there will 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:16.680 be a special guest joining us which you will see 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.840 later at the very end, So tune in for all 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:23.000 of our viewers. You will see this our listeners, we 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:23.959 will describe to you. 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:28.080 The guest is yes, yes, Andrew. 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:32.640 You know, we never get to all the questions that 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:36.240 we have on viewer questions send us in, so we 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:38.160 have a viewer question. I think they sent it in 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:39.920 like a week or so ago, but I think it's 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:42.920 a great question to get the discussion started. So the 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:46.320 producer Nick, let's roll that clip. 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:48.080 Welcome, What's up to me? Andrew? 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:51.000 And Andrew myna is coach or Flum with Katucky born 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:51.960 and raised West End. 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:53.720 I have a cool question. 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.160 Why do you think a lot of Black Americans aren't 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:59.960 really considering moving The majority Black Americans aren't really considering 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.120 moving to an African country to like start businesses and. 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:05.400 All of that stuff goes so much further. She takes 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:07.000 the tams that you have and just move. 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.600 But I mean, I feel you. I feel something y'all's 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:11.480 politics and stuff like that. I feel you. 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:12.079 For sure. 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:13.839 It took me because I might tell you what people 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:17.520 today's face and when they don't. One point is why 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:19.520 do y'all think that is that a lot of black 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:22.240 Americans aren't because I know we built America, but. 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:23.240 We've never ran in America. 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.040 I love that question. And right on cue. 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:29.560 The question. 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:32.200 I want you to know I have eight thousand degrees. 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:34.040 It is hot, and look at Angela. 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:39.400 She bought seattle with her got it's hot. It's all 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:39.799 get out. 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:43.240 I'm hot, I'm sweating. I probably got y'all. 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:46.720 We warned in the opening that Angela is like running 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:47.840 it at both ends. 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:51.040 She's burning the let me hear you. 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.600 Let me hear you burning burning the candle from both ends. 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.760 And the first time I wanted to hear how he 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:01.520 was going by saying, right, so said burning the candle 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:02.520 at both ends of the stick. 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:06.560 Oh that is not that is what it really does mean, 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:11.440 burning it at both ends. 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:12.800 But you know it works fine. 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:15.119 We're here speaking of I thought we were talking about 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:17.720 sayings because I bought my book of We should get 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:21.800 to that. 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:21.119 That's the way we have one. 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.000 But before we get into that, I just wanted to 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:24.760 let you all know that Angela is joining us. And 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:27.640 we just heard a great viewer question about why don't 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:29.440 more black people move to Africa. 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:30.160 I have a lot of thoughts. 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.840 You've You've been quite a future to the continent and 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.960 and to many countries. Most of my trips to Africa 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:44.640 have been North Africa in the Islamic part yeah. Uh, Egypt, Cairo, Uh. 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:45.760 I've been to. 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:48.440 Morocco, yes. 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.480 But but but I think what he's talking about probably 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:52.360 some of West Africa. 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:53.720 Yes. 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:59.120 So, Angela and I went to Ghana for It's gonna 0:03:59.120 --> 0:03:59.720 make me laugh. 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:01.400 You so tired? 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.960 Oh no, you're gonna say no, you ate some something. 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:11.000 No, No, I will address those comments in a moment. 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:13.800 But Angela and I went to Ghana for New Year's 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:17.599 in twenty twenty two and just had a most amazing time. 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:20.799 But let me say this about moving to Africa, because 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:23.359 I love the question and I love the concepts. You know, 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:27.359 you've talked a lot about expanding our imagination. I honestly 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:30.120 think that's a question of privilege. You know, there are 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.359 a select few of us who have the means to 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:36.920 do that, who have the family ties to do that. 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:39.360 You know, I could not just up and leave my 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:43.919 mother here. You know who I helped support, My brother 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:47.120 is here, Like those things would be challenging a lot 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:50.520 of people don't have passports to even do that, so 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:53.240 I think we have to keep that in mind. But 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.159 I will say that was one of the themes, the 0:04:56.320 --> 0:05:00.440 pronounced theme that I felt in Ghana with the people there, 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:03.479 especially our tour guides and people who were really pouring 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:07.840 into us with knowledge. It did seem like the sentiment was, 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.919 it's so strange that you all choose to live in America, 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:16.159 that you choose to live alongside the descendants of your enslavers, 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.839 when you could come home and live here. 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.320 You know, I was going to ask you, based on 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.680 your experience, what your experience has been with folks from 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:31.280 African countries that are populated, you know, overwhelmingly by black folk, 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.920 how they feel about that, because when I hear it, 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.599 I feel a little bit like maybe how folks felt 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.440 with carpetbaggers, you know, the folks who sort of come 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.760 in from outside, and now you're going to come here 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.000 and you think you're the You're the one we've been 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.200 waiting on to open a business, right the start, a 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:51.960 farmersty to do this, to do that. So I've got 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.479 a little bit. But once we get over that, and 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:56.960 so long as that's not an issue that you know 0:05:57.040 --> 0:06:01.680 that we'd be confronted by. I think most people think 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:05.560 of the continent of Africa obviously as a foreign place. 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:10.400 Haven't been, don't have relatives that knowingly have relatives there, 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:13.720 And it's a big move to start a business anywhere. 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.599 But if your experiences have been here in America, you're. 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:20.120 Not likely to uproot everything and take a chance that 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.760 you can move to another country, start a business and 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.840 be balling you know, you know, left and right overnight. 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:27.479 That's just not going to be the story. 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:29.280 But for those who do, and to the extent that 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:31.240 it is done in the right way with respect for 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:32.440 the community. 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.000 I say, you know, go for it. Yeah, Angelia, you 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:39.200 had thoughts on the move, the shift, the great migration, 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:41.799 the greater migration. 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.640 What is very present for me right now? 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.440 Even when Tip was talking about her mom, like I 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.520 can't go to the continent. 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:55.679 I don't know, like we have one of my mom. 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.359 Is being treated at the second best cancer hospitals in 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:01.080 one of the seconds the second best cancer hospital in 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:01.560 the country. 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:03.240 I don't know. 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:06.760 I'm not saying that there aren't remedies and aren't solutions 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:10.440 for cancer treatment. On the continent, But I just the 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:14.720 unknown of that is more than I can bear. 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:15.680 My dad is not. 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:21.440 Even Seattle, okay. And I think what is also in 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:24.680 my heart is like I know that also there are 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:29.320 pharmaceutical drugs and other things, herbal remedies, naturopathic remedies on 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:32.520 the continent that regardless of what kind of treatment they are, 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:35.800 they are more affordable than here. So I see the 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:38.920 positives in the negatives. My mom has to get these 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.640 white blood cell injections right now to keep her like 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:45.760 blood white blood cell count up because chemo suppresses your 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:48.520 white blood cell count and your ability to fight off 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:51.960 disease or ailments, and so does immuno therapy. She's getting 0:07:52.040 --> 0:08:01.800 both and her injections two weeks ago. We're ten dollars 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:05.960 with her insurance this week when we went to get them, 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:09.360 or no, it was last week. The week prior to that, 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:12.120 it was ten dollars. Last week when we went, the 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:14.600 guy was like, we're gonna have to get another medication? 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:18.920 Said why, he said, it's nine hundred and something dollars, right, 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:23.840 So I just I'm like, what they're trying to do 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:27.040 to humanity in this country is crazy, and I do 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.160 want our people to go somewhere where they can be safeer, 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:32.080 where we're appreciated. We're welcoming all of that, but there 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.600 are all these conundrums that we have to deal with, 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.440 especially as we age. I guess what I'm gonna say is, 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.320 young people, if you can go. 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.600 While you're young, Yeah, I think that's real. 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:44.960 But I think the most important thing to me that 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:48.400 you said is about the healthcare system there. You know, 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.800 we just don't know what is health insurance. 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:51.080 Like. 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:55.720 It's obviously they have qualified doctors and treatment. But can 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.880 we as people who are expats, who are not citizens, 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.640 can we go and get that health care? What we 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:02.920 have to have private insurance? 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.559 I'm going to ask them that there are good questions. 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:10.440 Yeah, well it's different and obviously in each country. 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:10.920 There's different questions. 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.800 Yeah, because Ghana is if I were going to move, 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:17.880 it would be the one hundred percent to Ghana. 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:22.760 The fact that we started this, the consideration around access, 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:26.440 affordability healthcare, I think is a bigger indication. 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:28.840 Of where we are in life in our ages right now. 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:32.360 You know the Sandwich generation, you're raising young ones. I 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:34.760 know this well. In fact, literally left my house this morning. 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.440 My mama was upstairs and the kids were, you know, 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:40.600 getting them ready for school and whatnot. But but a 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:44.280 lot of folks have parents that they're caring for or 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:48.000 increasingly beginning to take on more responsibility, and you got 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.200 little ones that you're trying, you know, trying to raise. 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:54.120 I think the questions will likely be different depending upon 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.000 where you are in life right now. Young folks who 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:01.400 are unattached might look for a little bit of adventure 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.320 and willingness to try something new. Because you're only taking 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:06.400 care of yourself. You don't have to have all the 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.560 money in the world. And because you're young, as saying, 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:12.080 as the statistic go that you're generally healthier, so you 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:15.600 don't have to have such a reliance on that system access. 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:17.439 Yes, a reliance on it, probably not. 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.000 Like we would going to see a doctor, you know, 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:23.880 on regular checkups and whatnot, So different stages. And then 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:27.160 folks who have already established successful businesses here or have 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:31.040 had ideas or have been in industries that they feel like, 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.920 oh god, okay, looks like either the supply chain or 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:35.840 maybe the demand for this thing is going to be 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:37.160 greater on the. 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:38.840 Other on the other side of the on the other 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:40.320 side of the world. 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:43.200 So there are a lot of considerations. I'm all for 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:45.320 you know, all for going. I just hope we don't 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:47.000 get over there and act like Americans. 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:50.240 Yeah, where you can become the gentrifiers. 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:53.480 That and that, you know, just like our standard and 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.319 our expectation is this and therefore that. 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:00.839 Yeah, like you you move like waite folks exactly. 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:03.520 We talked about this, can white folks be can black 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:05.960 folks also be oppressors? 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:06.240 Yeah? 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:09.840 You picked the question, and I think I don't know 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.840 what the comments were saying, but I think universally we 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:16.560 could all probably point to an example, an example of 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.800 that kind of abusive trait of the you know, this 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:26.319 hegemonist you know, you know, toxic sort of situation. 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:28.359 Emerging. 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:31.640 And I just I hated every international trip I took 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:35.000 as an elected official as part of those sort of groups. 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:38.720 I was on many occasions very embarrassed, and almost every 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:40.920 time at the end of the night, the countries who 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:44.280 were visiting, which were largely brown places, if you will, 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.439 you know, would ask me like, how do you do this? 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.719 You know, like they have their own sayings and they 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.200 do it, and you know, it was just interesting to 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.160 me that it didn't matter where I went at the 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.240 end of the night, as the only black guy in 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:04.720 the delegations was seeing the locals would come around, yes, 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.720 and it's like how did you achieve that there? 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:08.520 Yeah? 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.720 Or do you ever want to leave there? You know 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:12.640 those kinds of things. 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:14.520 Yeah, they were trying to flash with the. 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:20.000 Yeah, yeah, I give you yeah, yeah. 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:23.360 Well we met a lot of expats in Ghana. Just 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:25.160 because we're talking about this. I didn't know we were 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:27.520 going to be talking about this today, But just this week, 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:33.959 Ghana has outlawed foreigners mining their goal there, which I'm 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:37.280 like about time, you know, because they have pillaged and 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:41.160 plundered that continent in the price if you'll watching the markets, 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:45.640 you know, gold is a commodity, right exactly, So I 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:46.959 would like to see and I know a lot of 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:50.200 people who are building property there, and you know, there's 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:52.760 a lot of Americans who have found peace there. I 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.240 felt that way when we were there, we well, we 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:59.319 all wept, you know when we saw the history and 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:01.480 what our people gone through. But we also had a 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:03.679 really good time, you know, like we had some of 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:05.920 the most that's when I stopped eating meat. We had 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:10.280 some of the most amazing meals in Ghana. We stayed 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:11.960 at a beautiful hotel. We just had a great time. 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:14.480 So I don't want anyone to misunderstand what we're saying 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:18.320 about moving to Ghana. I think people should explore moving 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:19.000 to the continent. 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:20.319 I want to give property there. 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:24.040 Do you really in Ghana or just yeah? I think 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:24.800 that would be amazing. 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:26.320 I think hopefully. 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:30.040 I think Hawaii should have done this as part of 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:34.680 its negotiated agreement to become part of America. There are 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.079 a lot of European countries that are already do it. 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:40.320 Where you cannot own the majority share of a business, yeah, 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:44.559 if you are not a citizen of that country. So 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:47.679 if you go to you know, many places in the 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:49.360 Middle East and you say I want to open up 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:51.719 a suit shop, and my suit shops are you know, 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.240 renowned everywhere, Well, you got to have a fifty one 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:58.760 percent majority owner who is of that country in order 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:00.520 to own a business. 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:05.000 Otherwise the government has to buy into it and make 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.600 that decision. Yes, because what happens is is folks come 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:08.880 up right from up under you. 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:14.160 I think across many countries in Africa, the most prestigious 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.040 right on land is not to the owner who owns 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:18.959 the land on top. It's to the folks who have 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:24.680 resource licenses, resource access to what happens underneath their requirements, 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.560 Their demands take precedence even over the folks who own 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:31.000 the land, These mineral rights that exist, the same thing 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:34.360 Trump was trying to negotiate with in Ukraine. And so 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:39.120 you have, yes, you have folks who own property, but 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:42.680 they don't own what's beneath the property. Some corporation X 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:46.000 Y Z owns it and can go in there and drill, drill, drill, 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:47.840 and change the whole landscape. 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:48.840 Of where these folks lives. 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:52.800 So I hope, I hope they are as protectionists as 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:56.440 they need to be to ensure that you know, again 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:00.760 those suppressive and white supremacist tactics and antics don't re 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:04.520 infiltrate the way that countries, these countries are led. 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:08.560 Yeah, well, Hawaii does have some programs where the local 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.200 API community, like if you're Hawaiian born, you get a 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.800 discount on things. So that is one territory that has 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:16.840 been gentrified. They have brought up all the property. So 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:18.560 I mean the same things that we're seeing in our 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:22.280 inner cities across America, like that is happening in Hawaii. 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.840 As well, and they are taking active steps to stop that. 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.080 So I don't know. All right, we got to take 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:28.840 a quick break, but we'll see you on the other side. 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:46.480 Donald Trump is trying to have it all his way. 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.280 But one of the one of the slap backs or 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:52.880 clapbacks that I appreciated in these last couple of days, 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:53.360 slap backs. 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:57.080 Clatbacks is not a thing, not at all, but clapbacks, Okay, 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:57.680 clap backs. 0:15:57.760 --> 0:15:59.560 You know me, I make up saying. 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:03.240 Yes all the time for a long time, both ends. 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:05.080 And yeah, that's true too. 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:09.080 But but one of the knockdowns that I appreciated was 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:13.800 Harvard basically say no, no, and hell no to all 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:18.040 of the administration's demands with regard to, you know, their 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:24.920 ability to have say in admissions, teaching credentials, degree programs, 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:29.480 what type of targeted research and institution does. Basically they 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.200 were going to be demanding. What they did obviously of 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:36.080 Columbia similarly, is a bending of the knee of the 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:40.200 institution and the ending of any any, any version of 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:43.800 academic freedom as it exists. The hallmark of our system 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:48.840 of education. Part of that hallmark one is that teachers, 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:52.280 particularly after they are tenured can't be fired for their 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:56.480 views for you know, their teaching style orientation while in 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:57.560 the classroom, for. 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:00.360 Their political views outside of it, or even in class. 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:02.400 They can write off eds, both of them, so on 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:05.959 and so forth. And this administration wants to we already 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.359 know it squelched all opposition. 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:10.280 Yeah, any any. 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:14.479 Contrarian view in the opposite saying. And Harvard, so far 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:18.280 as I can tell, along with a number of of 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:20.200 law firms that have taken. 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:21.280 A stand, thank god. 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.080 Yeah, not that many numbers, but but not. 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:28.399 But the truth is is that more it's probably the 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:30.840 only we can call out in higher education right now, 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:33.359 so far, so far, And. 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:37.480 Again we can't ignore the privilege obviously that our Harvard 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:39.320 has to be able to make this decision, these kinds 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:39.920 of decisions. 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:40.840 The endowment. 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:45.400 I think they've got an endowment that's a multidowment. 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:49.400 You and I we both not at the same time, 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:50.880 but we taught there for a semester. 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.800 And I heard this idiot saying that he taught there 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.400 and he was treated like a pariah because he's a conservative. 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:00.920 And it's so ridiculous that they don't recognis Harvard is 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:05.800 not this liberal institution of leftist extremist thought. You know, 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:09.359 like there are a lot of challenges at the school 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:13.720 that students are confronting. And what concerns me about Donald 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:16.800 Trump even going after these institutions of higher education. It 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:20.160 is right out of the dictator's Playla. This is precisely 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.720 I think it was Putin who said wars are not 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:27.439 one on the battlefield, they're one in the classroom. Modi 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:36.760 of India has targeted universities, has targeted universities like Dictator 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:40.840 after dictator has gone after classrooms and control thought. 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:44.080 Yeah, because they don't want you thinking right right to 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:47.000 the exactly they want you thinking. They want you thinking 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:48.440 what they are teaching you to think. 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:50.840 Yeah, the Oban that's what I say. 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:55.200 In Hungary or bon in Hungary has also, i think, 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.280 attempted to privatize universities. 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.119 It's classic because if you can tell the people what 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.800 to think, yes, you know, then you start to tell 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:06.600 them how to you know, and all the actions that 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:10.240 flow from it. You'll recognize that it's largely going to 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:15.800 be in submission to government, right to the oligarchical rule, 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:17.959 to whoever is in charge. They're going to teach us 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:20.120 at the reason why we don't have. What we think 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:21.399 we ought to have and what we think we are 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:23.840 to own is that by divine birthright. 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.480 You know, our divine right did not entitle us to it. Yeah, 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.800 and if you teach your people that over time, you could. 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:33.960 I mean, there's there, there's a whole generational folks who 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:37.680 exist right now, y'all who don't know their privacy rights 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:42.000 because they've made everything so public public post public pictures 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.520 how you're feeling in a moment, They wouldn't and they 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:48.000 wouldn't know right now how to fight back around a 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.400 First Amendment challenge like do I not have the right 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:52.480 to say speak. 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:52.720 What I believe? 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:56.280 Or even confronted in real time with with representatives of 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:58.440 the state, like how do you inter interact with them? 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:01.600 I was trying to on this quote which I just found, 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:04.919 but I also wanted to point out and I am 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:08.040 going to embarrass myself because Andrew, you will tell me 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:12.399 how to pronounce his name Pino Che, Yes, Pinochet, not 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:12.959 Pino che. 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:15.639