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Speaker 1: Native lamd Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Reason's Joye. Okay, so I'm gonna do that again,

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Speaker 1: and the first time I'm gonna hear from you is

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Speaker 1: after I welcome everybody.

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Speaker 2: Two one, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, Welcome home.

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Speaker 3: Y'all.

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Speaker 1: This is episode seventy six of Native Lamp Pod where

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Speaker 1: we give it to you straight, no chaser, and we

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Speaker 1: talk about pretty much everything.

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Speaker 3: I am here with my co host Andrew Gilla.

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Speaker 4: Everybody. Welcome home, Welcome home, Welcome to my home.

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Speaker 5: I know.

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Speaker 3: Florida, you guys.

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Speaker 1: Angela, I will tell you in transparency, is on her way.

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Speaker 3: She is juggling a thousand.

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Speaker 4: Things and so to the ground.

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Speaker 1: Yes, she got stuck in traffic and so she is

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Speaker 1: joining us shortly.

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Speaker 4: So you're aware. The ladies are here to attend a conference.

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Speaker 1: We're attending a conference for women for black women. I'm

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Speaker 1: Keim Blackwell hosts the conference. We were here last year,

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Speaker 1: all three of us. Yes, and Andrew was quite the

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Speaker 1: hit on.

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Speaker 6: Stage, hit and more importantly, the audience was the head

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Speaker 6: They were That was one.

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Speaker 1: Of my favorite shows. So you guys remember that because

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Speaker 1: we did a live show that day. Also, there will

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Speaker 1: be a special guest joining us which you will see

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Speaker 1: later at the very end, So tune in for all

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Speaker 1: of our viewers. You will see this our listeners, we

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Speaker 3: The guest is yes, yes, Andrew.

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Speaker 1: You know, we never get to all the questions that

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Speaker 1: we have on viewer questions send us in, so we

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Speaker 1: have a viewer question. I think they sent it in

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Speaker 1: like a week or so ago, but I think it's

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Speaker 1: a great question to get the discussion started. So the

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Speaker 1: producer Nick, let's roll that clip.

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Speaker 4: Welcome, What's up to me? Andrew?

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Speaker 7: And Andrew myna is coach or Flum with Katucky born

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Speaker 4: I have a cool question.

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Speaker 7: Why do you think a lot of Black Americans aren't

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Speaker 7: really considering moving The majority Black Americans aren't really considering

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Speaker 7: moving to an African country to like start businesses and.

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Speaker 4: All of that stuff goes so much further. She takes

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Speaker 4: the tams that you have and just move.

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Speaker 7: But I mean, I feel you. I feel something y'all's

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Speaker 7: politics and stuff like that. I feel you.

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Speaker 8: For sure.

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Speaker 7: It took me because I might tell you what people

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Speaker 7: today's face and when they don't. One point is why

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Speaker 7: do y'all think that is that a lot of black

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Speaker 7: Americans aren't because I know we built America, but.

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Speaker 4: We've never ran in America.

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Speaker 3: I love that question. And right on cue.

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Speaker 4: The question.

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Speaker 3: I want you to know I have eight thousand degrees.

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Speaker 3: It is hot, and look at Angela.

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Speaker 4: She bought seattle with her got it's hot. It's all

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Speaker 4: get out.

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Speaker 3: I'm hot, I'm sweating. I probably got y'all.

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Speaker 6: We warned in the opening that Angela is like running

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Speaker 6: it at both ends.

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Speaker 3: She's burning the let me hear you.

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Speaker 4: Let me hear you burning burning the candle from both ends.

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Speaker 1: And the first time I wanted to hear how he

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Speaker 6: Oh that is not that is what it really does mean,

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Speaker 6: burning it at both ends.

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Speaker 4: But you know it works fine.

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Speaker 6: We're here speaking of I thought we were talking about

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Speaker 3: That's the way we have one.

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Speaker 1: we just heard a great viewer question about why don't

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Speaker 3: I have a lot of thoughts.

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Speaker 6: You've You've been quite a future to the continent and

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Speaker 1: So, Angela and I went to Ghana for It's gonna

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Speaker 4: Oh no, you're gonna say no, you ate some something.

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Speaker 1: No, No, I will address those comments in a moment.

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Speaker 1: But Angela and I went to Ghana for New Year's

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Speaker 1: But let me say this about moving to Africa, because

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Speaker 1: you've talked a lot about expanding our imagination. I honestly

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Speaker 1: think that's a question of privilege. You know, there are

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Speaker 1: You know, I could not just up and leave my

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Speaker 1: I will say that was one of the themes, the

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Speaker 6: You know, I was going to ask you, based on

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Speaker 6: and you think you're the You're the one we've been

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Speaker 6: And it's a big move to start a business anywhere.

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Speaker 4: But if your experiences have been here in America, you're.

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Speaker 6: Not likely to uproot everything and take a chance that

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Speaker 4: That's just not going to be the story.

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Speaker 6: But for those who do, and to the extent that

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Speaker 4: I say, you know, go for it. Yeah, Angelia, you

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Speaker 8: What is very present for me right now?

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Speaker 9: Even when Tip was talking about her mom, like I

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Speaker 8: I don't know, like we have one of my mom.

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Speaker 9: Is being treated at the second best cancer hospitals in

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Speaker 9: I'm not saying that there aren't remedies and aren't solutions

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Speaker 9: Even Seattle, okay. And I think what is also in

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Speaker 9: So I just I'm like, what they're trying to do

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Speaker 9: where we're appreciated. We're welcoming all of that, but there

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Speaker 1: It's obviously they have qualified doctors and treatment. But can

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Speaker 8: I'm going to ask them that there are good questions.

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Speaker 6: The fact that we started this, the consideration around access,

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Speaker 4: Of where we are in life in our ages right now.

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Speaker 4: You know the Sandwich generation, you're raising young ones. I

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Speaker 6: My mama was upstairs and the kids were, you know,

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Speaker 6: as the statistic go that you're generally healthier, so you

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Speaker 6: don't have to have such a reliance on that system access.

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Speaker 4: Yes, a reliance on it, probably not.

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Speaker 6: Like we would going to see a doctor, you know,

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Speaker 6: on regular checkups and whatnot, So different stages. And then

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Speaker 6: So there are a lot of considerations. I'm all for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, where you can become the gentrifiers.

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Speaker 8: I want to give property there.

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Speaker 6: I think across many countries in Africa, the most prestigious

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Hawaii does have some programs where the local

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Speaker 6: But one of the one of the slap backs or

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Speaker 4: Their political views outside of it, or even in class.

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Speaker 6: Again we can't ignore the privilege obviously that our Harvard

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Speaker 4: The endowment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because they don't want you thinking right right to

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Speaker 1: Well, he was a Pinocchio. Pinochet in Chile was also

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Speaker 4: Yes, set him there, yes there. If there is no

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Speaker 3: Don't you want the victors?

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Speaker 6: No privilege or wealth or title can be the biggest, tallest, baddest, richest, wealthiest,

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Speaker 9: It's anybody that has the audacity to think differently than

446
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Speaker 9: this administration will be targeted. So particularly those who have

447
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Speaker 9: the audacity also to protect like our civil rights and

448
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Speaker 9: civil liberty. So we've been having some conversations about what

449
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Speaker 9: they have the ability to do. And I won't say who,

450
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Speaker 9: but a lawyer among us who is brilliant, you list

451
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Speaker 9: know I wouldn't do that.

452
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Speaker 8: I might, I might be a little cocky, but not

453
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Speaker 8: black cocky.

454
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Speaker 9: But she provided a list of things that nonprofits can

455
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Speaker 9: do to survive in this moment, and I got to

456
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Speaker 9: be honest with you. One of the first things was

457
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Speaker 9: that the president does not have the ability to unilaterally

458
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Speaker 9: revoke any organization's tax exempt status by law. That's the

459
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Speaker 9: key word, her key phrase, the presidents the president is

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Speaker 9: prohibited from directly or indirectly influencing tax related decisions of

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Speaker 9: the Internal Revenue Service.

462
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Speaker 8: Meanwhile, this man is doing this every day. So I

463
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Speaker 8: think that the.

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Speaker 9: I'm concerned that we keep trying to prepare a response

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Speaker 9: that would work in a time where someone was actually

466
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Speaker 9: obeying the law and not deliberately trying to break it

467
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Speaker 9: and break systems. Someone who will be like the Supreme

468
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Speaker 9: Court rules and he's like, oh, yeah, we're gonna follow it,

469
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Speaker 9: but they're doing something completely different. So I just wonder

470
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Speaker 9: what protection really does look like in this era for

471
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Speaker 9: our schools, for our institutions, for our organizations, for human beings, for.

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Speaker 4: Us individualis yet for human beings.

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Speaker 9: Right, So I'm saying, if it's not business as usual,

474
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Speaker 9: and I keep saying this to myself, we have to

475
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Speaker 9: stop responding with a business as usual response.

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Speaker 8: Yes, but to me, well, does that leave us with war?

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Speaker 5: Yes? I think so.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the Civil War did not begin with the firing

479
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Speaker 1: of the you know, first musket or banet or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Like we are in the Civil war now. I mean,

481
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Speaker 3: I don't think it's not that, but don't you feel that?

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Speaker 3: Don't you?

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Speaker 5: I feel that way?

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Speaker 8: I mean, I yes, I feel that, but I keep

485
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Speaker 8: wanting not to feel that. Do you understand what I'm saying?

486
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Speaker 8: Like I A'm helt for war? Like I what do

487
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Speaker 8: you want me to do?

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Speaker 1: Like I disagree, I think we are. I think I

489
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Speaker 1: don't want to go you cannot want it. But I

490
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Speaker 1: think I really believe we are built for war, right,

491
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Speaker 1: But I don't want.

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Speaker 9: To Yeah, yeah, like that is gonna be. Like our

493
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 9: people have suffered enough. I'm tired of suffering.

494
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Speaker 8: And it's not even me.

495
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Speaker 9: I'm tired of watching the suffering of our people, like

496
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Speaker 9: even right now. And this is tangential, but it is

497
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Speaker 9: important because this is my response to the battle. My

498
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Speaker 9: response to the battle has been to join a coalition

499
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Speaker 9: with every organization he would probably target, all of the

500
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Speaker 9: people he would probably target to do this state is

501
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Speaker 9: a people thing.

502
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Speaker 8: First the marathon, now the power Tour.

503
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Speaker 9: I am doing everything I can, and I'm working alongside

504
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Speaker 9: people who are doing everything they can because we don't

505
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Speaker 9: want what he's offering. It is our way to summarily

506
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Speaker 9: reject it and to provide an alternative. And it still

507
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Speaker 9: feels like that might not be enough.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and like the in this I think now.

509
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Speaker 9: I'm gonna sound like Tiff where she's been discouraged. It's like,

510
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Speaker 9: if we're here to prepare you, if we're here to

511
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Speaker 9: show you, like if Twitter goes down or Instagram because

512
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 9: all of these holes were at the inauguration in his face, If.

513
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Speaker 8: You don't have any of those tools, what are you

514
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Speaker 8: going to do? How are you going to mobilize? We

515
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 8: are implementing those things so you're connected. If you don't

516
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Speaker 8: sign up, if you won't join in because you don't

517
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Speaker 8: like who's leading, if you mad because you didn't get

518
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Speaker 8: to teach a workshop, like what are we doing?

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Speaker 1: I think that goes to the whole conversation about the

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Speaker 1: movement and leadership, you know, because in every movement it's

521
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Speaker 1: been that kind of strife.

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Speaker 8: That's you know, that's true.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you look at How, but I don't know

524
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Speaker 1: that it's always ego because I look at Stokely how

525
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Speaker 1: Stokely was kind of coming for MLK a few times,

526
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Speaker 1: and I don't think it was Stokely's ego.

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Speaker 9: I think, so, No, you don't think any of it

528
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Speaker 9: had to do with like I'm telling you all his

529
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Speaker 9: tactics are off, My tactics are right.

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Speaker 5: Is that ego?

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Speaker 6: It is?

532
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Speaker 8: Okay, your way, that's right, that's right, that's right.

533
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Speaker 1: It presupposes that I feel I have opinions about people's ways,

534
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Speaker 1: and I don't know that it doesn't feel y'all tell

535
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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong.

536
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Speaker 10: It doesn't feel like also doesn't have to be a

537
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Speaker 10: pejorative every time. Okay, if we were to look at

538
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Speaker 10: ego not neutrally that a person has ego, Beyonce has

539
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Speaker 10: ego and right, yeah, you know, such a fear that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but then but that's right, so.

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Speaker 6: An alter ego, but which we recognize and we appreciate

542
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Speaker 6: when that alter ego shows up. But for some reason,

543
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Speaker 6: in leadership and an ambition and then who's in front

544
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Speaker 6: of the room. Ambition then takes on a negative turn,

545
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Speaker 6: and I think the real and and be and more

546
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Speaker 6: importantly ego. What has to be checked about it is

547
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Speaker 6: it's that What has to be checked about it is

548
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Speaker 6: when you're walking into a certain place to be world

549
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 6: aware enough to know that you may not be the

550
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Speaker 6: most seasoned, experience, well read and prepared person there. That

551
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Speaker 6: means you have to relate to that where it shows up,

552
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Speaker 6: but also to stand your ground when it has gone wrong.

553
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Speaker 6: One of the things that I really hate is when

554
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Speaker 6: folks show up and I said this on our mini

555
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Speaker 6: pod that we did a couple of weeks ago, where folks,

556
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Speaker 6: it's like, no, we said it last week, welcome us into.

557
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Speaker 4: The room as young people.

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Speaker 6: And then my response partnering was no, I mean with

559
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Speaker 6: the universal theme, our response is when you get in there, though,

560
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Speaker 6: you got to show some deference to the folks who

561
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Speaker 6: have been there.

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Speaker 4: For twenty years.

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Speaker 8: Can you say it again? Can you say it again?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I default in so many ways in

566
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Speaker 6: those spaces to a staffer. You didn't think I've ever

567
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Speaker 6: run for anything in my life or that I want

568
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Speaker 6: I want you to have your coffee and your water,

569
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Speaker 6: that you are as comfortable as you can be because

570
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Speaker 6: you were in this fight, in this struggle when it

571
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Speaker 6: wasn't popular. There was no hashtag to it, there was

572
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Speaker 6: no currency, you know, public currency for being involved.

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Speaker 4: In fact, it came. It came riff with all the

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Speaker 4: risks and consequences that are negative, but you did it.

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Speaker 4: You stood. Then Who am I to suppose, with.

576
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Speaker 6: All the rights you didn't have, that I can walk

577
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Speaker 6: into this space and then disrupt it and tell you

578
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Speaker 6: that you've been doing it wrong.

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Speaker 9: And that's the thing that that it frustrates me because

580
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Speaker 9: we do assume, like we've been studying Gary Indiana a lot.

581
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Speaker 9: In nineteen seventy two, there's a documentary. Do I say

582
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Speaker 9: all about this documentary called Nation Time that really examines

583
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Speaker 9: everything they did for the National Black Political Convention. And

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Speaker 9: I think that a lot of us have gone through

585
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Speaker 9: a season at some point in our lives where we're like,

586
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Speaker 9: I know what it is, they just didn't have this right.

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Speaker 8: That's not always what it is. That's not always what

588
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Speaker 8: it is.

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Speaker 9: And Gary Coleman Young, who later becomes the mayor of Detroit,

590
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Speaker 9: walked his whole delegation out because they disagreed on a

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Speaker 9: labor issue and approach. So I'm just saying, right now,

592
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Speaker 9: this is not the era where we can disagree on

593
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Speaker 9: approach and the thing falls apart and the thing crumbles.

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Speaker 9: Our ability to thrive in this moment, our ability to

595
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Speaker 9: survive really at this moment, has to move tactics aside.

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Speaker 9: We have to try multiple tactics and still be together.

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna use a very controversial example right now, Target.

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Speaker 8: Target.

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Speaker 9: So last week, I don't know when y'all gonna watch this,

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Speaker 9: Tiff is mad at me just recently yes.

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Speaker 3: Week.

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Speaker 9: Okay, I just said that, but it really was last week.

603
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Speaker 9: So we're gonna be like say, last month. But recently,

604
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Speaker 9: I'll sharp to him met with the Target CEO. He

605
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Speaker 9: put up a post with him in the picture with

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Speaker 9: the charge CEO, Franklin Richardson, who's his board chair and

607
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 9: one of his advisors, and people were relentless. They went

608
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Speaker 9: off on him, how dare you do this? Blah blah

609
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 9: blah blah blah. Jamal Brian later shared that he was

610
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Speaker 9: in that meeting actually, but people including me were upset

611
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Speaker 9: that Jamal wasn't there. But Jamal was there, and so

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Speaker 9: I'm bringing this up as an example of something. Reverend

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Speaker 9: OL's tactics are different. His tactics are when I'm doing something,

614
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Speaker 9: I'm going to tell you all because I want, in

615
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 9: his mind, I want to be accountable to the people.

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00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,479
Speaker 8: So that you know what I've done. That is a tactic.

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Speaker 9: There are civil rights leaders, including Reverend Jackson, who embraced

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Speaker 9: that tactic. There are others who think that if you

619
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Speaker 9: advertise what you've done, it's an endorsement or it says

620
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Speaker 9: that now, don't worry y'all, I got it. We're good,

621
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Speaker 9: and that's that's an approach, right, and there's broad disagreement

622
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 9: on which way is right or wrong.

623
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Speaker 8: Either one could be right around.

624
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Speaker 3: I was going to ask that you have an opinion

625
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Speaker 3: on which one is right around.

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Speaker 9: I think the thing that I would, and I feel

627
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 9: bad because I have not talked to him about this.

628
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 9: I would invite him into considering everything not needing to

629
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 9: be in the press, especially when the deal is not struck.

630
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 9: I don't know that my approach is right. I think

631
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 9: that there are people who see that and they get

632
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 9: energized by him posting like, oh, look, we want to battle,

633
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 9: so now maybe we could win the war. Like I

634
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 9: get that, but I also think that our tactics have

635
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Speaker 9: to be more sophisticated. Like there are young business leaders

636
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Speaker 9: that I would invite into those conversations because they talk

637
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Speaker 9: to those leaders at those corporations in ways that I don't.

638
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 9: I think that maybe there shouldn't be one at the

639
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Speaker 9: table or just two because four, because there were four,

640
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Speaker 9: but like have different types of people at.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, I have something to say on all of this,

642
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Speaker 1: but to keep us on target, wink wink, see what

643
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Speaker 1: I did there. We're gonna take a quick commercial break

644
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Speaker 1: and I'll weigh in on the other side. Well, I

645
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Speaker 1: had a challenge, I'll say, because it looked like a

646
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Speaker 1: win for Target, Like you got this picture, you got

647
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Speaker 1: to go promote it.

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Speaker 3: I will say this about Rev.

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Speaker 1: He invited me to join him on his radio show

650
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Speaker 1: weekly where we would talk politics and help me build

651
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Speaker 1: a following during my time at MSNBC. I think he

652
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: tried to be helpful while I was there and extended

653
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Speaker 1: himself to me. So I appreciate that from Rev and Sharp,

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Speaker 1: and I just want to be very transparent about that.

655
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Speaker 1: I also want to be very transparent about the fact

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Speaker 1: that there is this perception that Revern Sharpton is a

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Speaker 1: leader in Black America.

658
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Speaker 6: He is.

659
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Speaker 3: A leader.

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Speaker 1: Yes, there's a very tiny there's a very tiny sect

661
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Speaker 1: of Black America who follows the steps of Reverend Sharpton.

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Speaker 1: I do not believe, or I don't I won't believe.

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Speaker 1: I know that he does not lead the masses as

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Speaker 1: he once did. Well, yes, though, that's my point, are

665
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Speaker 1: not we are a leaderless movement. To your point, we're

666
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Speaker 1: a leaderless movement at this point, there is no you know,

667
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Speaker 1: back in the day pre Twitter and you know Instagram,

668
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Speaker 1: we have five, you know, five to ten leaders, and

669
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Speaker 1: even all the leaders didn't get shine. You know, doctor

670
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Speaker 1: Dorothy Hyde was a member at that table. She did

671
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Speaker 1: not always get her shine. You know, there are a

672
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Speaker 1: lot of women in the movement, black women in the

673
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Speaker 1: movement who did not get the still designed right of

674
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Speaker 1: national leadership. So when you think of civil rights, who

675
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Speaker 1: you think of doctor King and Malcolm Xcuse that's the

676
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Speaker 1: first two. And it's not really like that anymore. Well,

677
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: there's a ton that we probably think of. But you know,

678
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Speaker 1: you ask your average person Jackson, Yes, well, Reverend Jackson,

679
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: though it was post, but I think they were posting

680
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: civil civil posted Jim Crow posted rights like they came up.

681
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Speaker 1: They were under the tutelage right exactly. But we could

682
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Speaker 1: name we could name a hundred, But I'm saying like this,

683
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Speaker 1: the people you think of are doctor King and Malcolm X,

684
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Speaker 1: who had different approaches. You know, Stokely was under them

685
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: and had an issue with how they were leading. So

686
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Speaker 1: my point is because a lot of people have comments

687
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Speaker 1: about that, and I think we do have leaders who

688
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Speaker 1: are loyal to power, you know, and loyal to.

689
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Speaker 3: Brand.

690
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Speaker 1: And so I think by posting a picture like that

691
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Speaker 1: that people took that like what did you specifically get

692
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Speaker 1: out of this meeting? Did they write you or National

693
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Speaker 1: Action Network of check and even.

694
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Speaker 3: If they did, you know, like whatever.

695
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Speaker 1: I don't know what deal with s truck, But those

696
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: were questions and comments that people were asking, and I

697
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Speaker 1: think to avoid that, to really be of the people,

698
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Speaker 1: it does take employing some different tactics.

699
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Speaker 3: I don't think this is moving with ego.

700
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Speaker 1: Y'all are telling me, you know, if you have an

701
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Speaker 1: issue with someone's tactics, that might be ego. I humbly say,

702
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: I don't mean it. In ego, but I'm open to

703
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Speaker 1: you all corrected me that if I'm wrong, you know,

704
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Speaker 1: no tip here is I feel like Angelo is not

705
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Speaker 1: crying by the way, I just have no voice.

706
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Speaker 8: I'm sorry. I should talk quieter and it'll be more soothing.

707
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Speaker 3: Sexy and waspy.

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Speaker 8: This is my Andrew.

709
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Speaker 5: Quiet store.

710
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Speaker 8: Hey, everybody, I just want you to And I was

711
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 8: gonna say, you know, I think that.

712
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Speaker 9: One conundrum that I do feel and where I felt

713
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Speaker 9: for rev in that moment, is there are a whole

714
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Speaker 9: conversations that are had and people make a decision off

715
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Speaker 9: of what they see in the picture and develop a

716
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Speaker 9: narrative because all they have is what you said and

717
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Speaker 9: the image. They don't have a readout from the meeting,

718
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Speaker 9: and sometimes you can't really do that because you got.

719
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Speaker 8: To keep things moving. So I feel for them a

720
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Speaker 8: little bit because there was a whole narrative that was

721
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Speaker 8: shared based on that.

722
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Speaker 9: Now, the part that I didn't feel for was if

723
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Speaker 9: you didn't put it out because there were several other

724
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Speaker 9: civil rights orgs that had met with Target before and

725
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Speaker 9: none of us knew. So as the story began to unfurl,

726
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 9: it was like, oh, like that's fine, you know, I

727
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 9: don't see anything wrong with that, but the masses don't

728
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 9: always know that. So I'm also curious to know how

729
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 9: much do we tell the people if we also can say,

730
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Speaker 9: if we agree with Prince that black folks are the

731
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Speaker 9: only one that put our whole strategy up on a website,

732
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Speaker 9: what parts of this should we keep to ourselves while

733
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Speaker 9: we allow the thing to unfurl in our favor.

734
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Speaker 4: I don't know all of it. Yeah you don't.

735
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Speaker 3: You you're saying keep all of it to ourselves.

736
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Speaker 4: At levels of engage movement shifting.

737
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Speaker 6: So the call was put out to the people, and

738
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Speaker 6: the people have responded for the tenth consecutive week, put

739
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Speaker 6: traffic down by over nine percent, and Target stores across

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Speaker 6: the country that has been since the start of the

741
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Speaker 6: announced boycott, and they're backtracking on DEI.

742
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Speaker 4: We know that there is an impact being had because

743
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Speaker 4: there would not have been.

744
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Speaker 6: A call to a Reverend Sharpton or anybody else to

745
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Speaker 6: come step foot at Target headquarters were this not.

746
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Speaker 4: Landing in some way or.

747
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Speaker 6: At nan which either or doesn't matter, because if the

748
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 6: currency is we all know this. A picture is worth

749
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Speaker 6: a thousand words. Nobody knows it better than Rev. Sharpton himself.

750
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 6: Nobody knows it better. What I have to believe is

751
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Speaker 6: that there is a strategy that is not known to

752
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 6: me and us that has to be underway, because I

753
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Speaker 6: don't think Reverend Sharpton would have gifted what is a

754
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Speaker 6: big piece of the currency for being at the table,

755
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Speaker 6: which is the image that says a thousand words and

756
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Speaker 6: the midst of a protest that's been going on for

757
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Speaker 6: nine weeks rather successfully.

758
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Speaker 4: Here comes this new inflection. Why did it happen? It

759
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 4: starts to chatter it. You know, the company can use

760
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 4: it any way they want.

761
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Speaker 6: Quite frankly, they can image that however they choose to

762
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Speaker 6: use to for the photo. And now it can be

763
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Speaker 6: used to suggest some things that may not have been right.

764
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Speaker 6: But who read the fine line to determine.

765
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Speaker 4: That that wasn't right?

766
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Speaker 8: So just say, what if you released it? I'm not

767
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 8: saying this is true, but what if you released it

768
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Speaker 8: before they did? Maybe they should have said no pictures allowed?

769
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Speaker 5: That's what?

770
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Speaker 4: Is there a reason why jamal Brian is not in

771
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Speaker 4: a photo? Or is you a photo.

772
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Speaker 8: Released photo?

773
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Speaker 6: There is a reason my pastor Bishop as I call him,

774
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Speaker 6: Jamal Brian is not in a published photo because his

775
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Speaker 6: understanding of the assignment was we can see where we are,

776
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 6: we should keep in touch around how you all are

777
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 6: moving back toward this commitment in these benchmarks, and so

778
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 6: we've got to be in communication, open discussion about that.

779
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,479
Speaker 6: But there will not be an announcement around us sitting

780
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Speaker 6: down until there's an agreement to be signed.

781
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's no agreement.

782
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Speaker 4: There's none of that. There's nothing there, but there is

783
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Speaker 4: a photo. So what I'm saying is is I have

784
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 4: to believe, given Rev's life experience, is no how through

785
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Speaker 4: this this thing.

786
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Speaker 6: I mean, I've watched these things being played in real

787
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Speaker 6: time with certain speakers can come up on the stage,

788
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Speaker 6: but you must have done such and such and such

789
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Speaker 6: to be one of them.

790
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Speaker 1: You know a lot about this behind the scenes work

791
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: that you're not saying, which you're not saying what I

792
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: can appreciate because.

793
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Speaker 6: Because there are things that happen behind the sides, and

794
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 6: by the way, the masses shouldn't be charged with following

795
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 6: a hook line sinker every step here. The call has

796
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 6: gone out to us and we're doing our part while

797
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 6: that's happening. I have to assume that organizers on the

798
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 6: inside are doing their part, and they're not acting recklessly

799
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Speaker 6: and doing so because they're.

800
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Speaker 4: Carrying on their shoulder. They're carrying our purse.

801
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Speaker 6: The reason why you're in the room is because they

802
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 6: believe you're negotiating on behalf of our purse.

803
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Speaker 1: And I don't know that the people felt like the

804
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: masses may not have felt like Revernd sharp and was

805
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: negotiating on their behalf. And we don't know because I

806
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: wasn't at the meeting.

807
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 3: I don't know what.

808
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 6: Because I think the masses probably absorbed what we absorb

809
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 6: is that a picture is worth a thousand words, and

810
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 6: you don't give a.

811
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Speaker 1: Picture without But they got more out of it. It

812
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 1: looks like on the surface, they got more a target,

813
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: got more out of that photo.

814
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: Than the people did. They haven't changed anything, they haven't

815
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 3: met any demands.

816
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 6: There was a reason why I did not go and

817
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 6: have breakfast with my opponent after the race, despite an invitation,

818
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 6: because I knew, based off the race that we ran,

819
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 6: that we had diametrically opposed views and positions.

820
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 4: About the direction of the state.

821
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 6: What I'm not going to do is heal over or

822
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 6: bridge over anyone who is in support of me by

823
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 6: imaging myself next to you as if I'm and.

824
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 4: Or that it's okay.

825
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Speaker 3: I think that was the right decision to me.

826
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Speaker 9: Let me just ask this, though, why do we expect

827
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 9: their people who use as a tactic the bully pulpit

828
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 9: or a bullhorn. Our friend and brother, Ben Crump is

829
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 9: that way. He tries cases first in the court of

830
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 9: public opinion. So just like all of us, our flat

831
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 9: side is also our gift. So I'm just it's I

832
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 9: think the thing that I'm wrestling with too and trying

833
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 9: to give grace for in this moment is like the

834
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 9: thing that we normally families call Reverend ol into their

835
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 9: communities to help lift up when their kids have been

836
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 9: kid no doubt about it.

837
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 8: So when there's an.

838
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 9: Issue with our community and a company calls him to

839
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 9: do the thing, I'm trying to forget why we would

840
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 9: expect that he would do something different.

841
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 6: I think I think people largely feel that his fidelity

842
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 6: is fealty is always going to be us first. I mean,

843
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 6: I think that's what folks believe, and really to avoid

844
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 6: the trappings of sort of.

845
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 4: Going down by the rat hole around any one individual,

846
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:41,959
Speaker 4: just just a little to make sure that we're talking

847
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 4: about styles of going about doing exactly tacticles of going

848
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 4: about doing things.

849
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 6: And you know there are going to be tactics, and

850
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 6: sometimes they're just tools that we're picking up.

851
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 4: Along the way and are utilizing. But there are no giveaways.

852
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 6: And movement and and organizing everything must be hard. For one,

853
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 6: the corporation moves as if they are not moving at all.

854
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 6: They move, you know, as the hermits in the space.

855
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 6: They're not They aren't making dramatic steps because they don't

856
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 6: want you to believe or that it is possible for

857
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 6: your dramatic demands to ever be met, So they move

858
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 6: slow and that these are difficult and hard thing. This

859
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 6: is hard, and so we've got to decouple this that

860
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 6: in the third and they use these words, this language

861
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 6: that is intended to turn the rest of the public off,

862
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 6: like this is not is above my pay grade.

863
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 4: I need to step out of the conversation when.

864
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 6: The reality is no, it's as plain as they as

865
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 6: you know it to be. Yeah, and have workers who

866
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 6: deserve to be played a ways that they can live on,

867
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 6: pay their bills and maybe take a vacation every once

868
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 6: in a while, And you are single handedly stopping that

869
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 6: from happening because you're worried or more concerned about a

870
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 6: stock price and a stock split for your shareholders than

871
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 6: you are about the customers who are powering you.

872
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: Well, this is my challenge though, with what the scenario

873
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: you laid out. I've spent a very brief amount of time.

874
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 1: It's like a fish out of water on the funding

875
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: side of things, and there is often the ROI for

876
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: these meetings is very small, and so I think there

877
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: is danger both the people and sometimes the organization. You know,

878
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: I was on behalf of a labor organization, so I'm

879
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: dealing with like teachers hate their income. So sometimes the

880
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: ROI wasn't big enough. But I would say there is

881
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: a danger in a company like Target feeling like we're

882
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: in trouble with the black community. Let us call Reverend sh.

883
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 4: They call him because he has evidence that I'm not.

884
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 3: Saying that's what happened.

885
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm going off the example that you gave specifically said

886
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: everyone right, but you said a corporation will call, So

887
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's what To be clear, I'm not

888
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: saying that is what happened in specific. Since with Rev

889
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying there is a challenge. When a company feels

890
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: like I got a problem with black folks, let me

891
00:45:59,080 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: call Reverend Sharpton.

892
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 4: I think because.

893
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 3: I have a challenge with that too. I'm let me

894
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 3: tell you why.

895
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 4: Experience of moving people, you can move people.

896
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 3: Can I tell you why though I have a problem?

897
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 4: Please?

898
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: My challenge is the people are not always with Rev.

899
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: The people were not always with Rev.

900
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 3: And Jackson.

901
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: They're not always with Reverend Sharpton. I've never been somewhere

902
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: with a bunch of black folks and they're like, oh

903
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: it at six o'clock, y'all, we gotta get oar nub

904
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: ACP meeting. I think these things can be regional in Jackson, Mississippi.

905
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: The NAACP has a huge presence in Miami, in in Washington,

906
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: d C.

907
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 5: They do not.

908
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 3: In Cleveland, Ohio, they do not. In Los Angeles they

909
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 3: do not. They do know in l ale As.

910
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: So when I talk to folks who are impacted by

911
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: the fires recently, well so maybe I should say alsda.

912
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 3: But even black folks in LA but these are they

913
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 3: could be different people.

914
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 8: Last was on the ground regularly during the fire.

915
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: There was no connection with people. You know these folks too.

916
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: But also the people I talked to in LA are

917
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: also more on the entertainment side, so it could be

918
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: a disconnect there, precisely.

919
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 8: Wood Bureau, So that's Hollywood rights.

920
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 3: That's my point.

921
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes the people who are you know, they're not they're

922
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: not a part of an organization. You know, they're not

923
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: divine nine. They don't summer on the vineyard like. They

924
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: don't feel a connection to these organizations all the time.

925
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: And so when corporations feel like I'm gonna pluck this

926
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: one negro from the brunt from the bunch and get

927
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: a picture with him, give some money to his or

928
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:52,280
Speaker 1: her organization, check the box, and then I'm done, problem solved.

929
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: And I can see the disconnect between the rank and

930
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: file people of society who feel like, well, what happened.

931
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: I've been going out of my way to shop at

932
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: these mom and pops, driving all over town, and then

933
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: this one thing happened, and I'm supposed to be all

934
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: good with it. There is a disconnected. So I also

935
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: think that sometimes corporations and organizations will tap black people

936
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: who make them comfortable when really.

937
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 5: But it is this way, go this way, and because okay, he.

938
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 8: Does that every week, germs.

939
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 3: Anyway, My point is I didn't forgot my dang point.

940
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 5: But you were saying, what time is it?

941
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 3: We gotta go with some danger and.

942
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 5: Feeling like one we had time.

943
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 3: It's some danger in it's some danger in in in

944
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 3: having one person. And then and when you find the

945
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 3: black person that makes you comfortable, sometimes you need to

946
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 3: find a black person that makes you uncomfortable.

947
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 4: If you're the business, and this is my point, and.

948
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: These businesses are not ever really going to fund or

949
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: create something that is in our favor. They are not

950
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: going to fund something that services are liberation.

951
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 5: They would be.

952
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: Funding their demise. They would be funding their demise either

953
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: way if it wasn't it. I mean, you look at

954
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: George Floyd, like all those businesses, it was billions of dollars.

955
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: Around ninety million went to actual justice organizations. The bulk

956
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: of that money went to up right. But even the

957
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: money that was right, it was like JP Morgan, Chase

958
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,479
Speaker 1: gave a lot of JP Morgan gave a lot of money,

959
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: and they most of it went to things that would

960
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: service their company, that would profit them.

961
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 3: So even when you when you look into the money.

962
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 1: That did exchange hands, it did not service the people

963
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: so I fully understand when the people out there look

964
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: at that pig cure or look at any of this

965
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: and they see this person who especially if you we

966
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 1: remember Rev from in them tracksuits, honey and going uptown

967
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: downtown ready to get buck like we remember that Rev.

968
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: They may only know suited and booted Rev with a

969
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: show on MSNBC. Rev who got invited to the Obama

970
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: White House?

971
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 8: Rev?

972
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 3: But Rev used to be about about it.

973
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 4: I think he is about it. I think there's the

974
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 4: reason why he is in the room. One the ability

975
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 4: to mobilize.

976
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 3: But two, there are certain he does have the ability

977
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 3: to mobile.

978
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 4: Many times in my own city.

979
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's.

980
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 4: We've been separate from him all around the country.

981
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 6: There's a reason he gets called in to eulogize nearly

982
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 6: every high profile murdered death and people there are a.

983
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 9: Lot of people in our community that think that think

984
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 9: that he just swoops in those families call him.

985
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 8: So I know.

986
00:50:59,280 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 4: Nobody if you.

987
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 3: When it comes to like shootings and death and all.

988
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 6: That, But that creates and it creates an energy and

989
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 6: it suggests to people that that's a guy who we

990
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 6: could go to if our problems.

991
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 4: Black people, there's a list of five we could talk

992
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 4: to and this is what they can do.

993
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: Also tapped into REV to talk about black maternal mortality

994
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: and it's like the.

995
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 6: Life and so you know what it means to fight

996
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 6: against that that strain of journalism that says there's only

997
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 6: one who can talk about this, that will do it

998
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 6: and be received by the people on.

999
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,439
Speaker 4: The outer end. What REV does, and not just REV,

1000
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 4: but when our leaders show up again in these images

1001
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 4: and and and how they.

1002
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 6: Navigate the world when we're in protests, creates a permission

1003
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 6: structure for a group of people to do likewise, So

1004
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 6: the image of a REV then makes it okay if

1005
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 6: Ken Chinault and following.

1006
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 3: Him former CEO of American Express, right.

1007
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, yes, or Kathy Hughes or Tyler Perry, you know,

1008
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 6: should they choose to then say, you know that the

1009
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 6: reason why you saw me and that TMZ clip going

1010
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 6: coming out of target is because I thought the whole

1011
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 6: thing was all resolved. I mean, went in met with

1012
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 6: them such and such and such. That's the shorthand that's

1013
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 6: without ever explaining anything. The reason why power has.

1014
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 4: To be coveted the way that it does.

1015
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 6: What we do have when we're talking about our negotiating

1016
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 6: strength at the table, the reason why why a picture

1017
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 6: can't go out unless there is a higher demand that

1018
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 6: has been met that we might not be privy to.

1019
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 6: But you need to bring us to speed right now

1020
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 6: because this looks like a betrayal.

1021
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 9: I get some disconnect there, And so the challenge is like,

1022
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 9: there are people I think especially are like some of

1023
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 9: our elders, that see that and think that that's a

1024
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 9: good that was a good negotiating tactic.

1025
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 8: There are others that think, in regardless of age, that think, now,

1026
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 8: why did he do that? He just want to be

1027
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 8: in the front.

1028
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 6: And then there are others who haven't interrogated one way

1029
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 6: or another. But because it's Rev, he must be up

1030
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 6: there for us whatever it is he and guess what

1031
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 6: is his life's work that has gotten him the benefit.

1032
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to say, and I welcome the pushback. I'm

1033
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: going to say, there may be even disconnect with you

1034
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: all and some of the people because I'm talking to

1035
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,919
Speaker 1: like regular ass people in LA who do not feel

1036
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: connected to the NUA A c P.

1037
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 6: But when have we the masses, We've never felt connected,

1038
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 6: So then maybe so we need them.

1039
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 8: So then say it again, but who is leading?

1040
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: But so there is not if it's a leaderless movement,

1041
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: I'm saying there are community validators, don't some of these

1042
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: inner cities, like some of the hoods that are not

1043
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: you know, student great, So those people are leaders to them.

1044
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 9: Sure, But I think that the danger that we have

1045
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 9: right now is saying that we're a leaderless movement. I

1046
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 9: don't think that's true. I think that we we I

1047
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 9: think that there are pockets of us who have varying

1048
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 9: leaders there that's true.

1049
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 3: I mean there's no singular leader.

1050
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 8: I agreed.

1051
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 9: Of course, there are black people who see nineteen Keys

1052
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 9: is their guy. There are black people w see Earn

1053
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,439
Speaker 9: Your Leisure their guy. Killer Mike is their guy. Joy

1054
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 9: is their gal? You is there like what to Mika

1055
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 9: Mallory Beyonce calls out in a song. So there are

1056
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 9: a bunch of different people that we can go to

1057
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 9: for different things. In Double A CP chapters, especially Derek like,

1058
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,959
Speaker 9: there are folks, there are members of Congress who people

1059
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 9: are like, I don't know who that is, but Max

1060
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 9: saying they won't even call her congresswoman because.

1061
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 8: She's different to them. So I just think that the country,

1062
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 8: but the but the But the thing that I'm just

1063
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 8: raising is me.

1064
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 9: I'm not saying that, uh that the n double A

1065
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 9: or the Urban League or nan or National Bar Association

1066
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 9: or whatever else is making major strides with every aspect

1067
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 9: of our community. I I'm saying they have their pockets,

1068
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 9: and in some of those pockets, they have strongholds, and

1069
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 9: I think it would be ignorant of us to say

1070
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 9: that that doesn't exist.

1071
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 3: Now.

1072
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 9: The thing that I can say, again another shameless plug

1073
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 9: for the power Tour, is almost all of these organizations.

1074
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 9: We don't have nan ON, but almost all of these

1075
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 9: organizations have come together to say in individuals, we have

1076
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 9: to come together now because if we don't start both

1077
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 9: the folks who don't subscribe to organizational leadership, those individuals

1078
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 9: or this pocket that focus on civics or Black Voters

1079
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 9: Matter or whatever, we all got to come together because

1080
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 9: right now we're all a target, regardless of who we

1081
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 9: think is.

1082
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 8: That is the point.

1083
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: Remember the guy in Atlanta who stood up. I felt

1084
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: like he was a great example. And let me just

1085
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 1: be clear, because I think Angely make a good point

1086
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: and a solid correction. It is incorrect to say we

1087
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: are a leaderless movement or that we are leaderless right

1088
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: now there. It's just that it's not a singular leader

1089
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 1: and there are multiple people in positions of leadership who

1090
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: have come together for this work. I also don't I

1091
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: want to push back a little on this whole idea

1092
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: that everybody's resting. You know, there's a lot of where Yeah,

1093
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: it's a lot of happening.

1094
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 3: And Angela lost.

1095
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: Her voice because she's she is not resting, even as

1096
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: discouraged as I am.

1097
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 3: I'm not resting.

1098
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: I got a huge time deficit, right exactly. So if

1099
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: you hear somebody say that, they probably just not really

1100
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 1: connected with the people or the movement. And I want

1101
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: y'all to feel incouraged about that. But I think to

1102
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: your point about you know, it's pockets of leadership. The

1103
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: guy in Atlanta, we did our live show there and

1104
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: he stood up and he was like, I got Mawaiians

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Speaker 1: doing this. He seemed like somebody who was a bit

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00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: disconnected from these like big organizations, but he said, I

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00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: love Ataja Brown like a fat kid love cake. And

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Speaker 1: I think Latasha is a good example of she's not

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00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: She is aware and does work, but she's also very

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Speaker 1: connected with those grassroots people who you know might not

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Speaker 1: have even her organization.

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Speaker 3: Black Voters matter.

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Speaker 1: They're not coming in there saying we need a twenty

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Speaker 1: page ro O I filled out and lawyers to look like,

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Speaker 1: tell about your program and we're gonna get you some

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00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: money to help fund it. And I think she has

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00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: a good connection with those folks. And on the State

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Speaker 1: of the People Tour, which kicks off Sunday in Atlanta,

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00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: Saturday in Atlanta, like I said, Saturday, April twenty sixth,

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta, Angela will be there, Joy Joy will be there,

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Speaker 1: Tamika will be there to make a Valori will be there.

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Speaker 3: Joy read to me, it's going to be a folks

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Speaker 3: arian all the people.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a lot of people there at these

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Speaker 1: different stops, and they can go to the State of

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Speaker 1: the People Tour die date.

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Speaker 9: Of Date of the People just google State of the

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Speaker 9: p p L though the main State of the p

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Speaker 9: PL dot in the written notes.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, but I do feel like this tour is

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00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: pulling in all the people. And you have said like

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00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: you believe in organizing. By addition, so all the people

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00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: who you may agree with me disagree with me. You

1134
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: may agree with Angela Andrew. No matter how you feel,

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00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: all of these people are at the same table right now,

1136
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: almost almost, yes, almost almost.

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Speaker 4: Bringing their talents, bringing their talents.

1138
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 8: And their resources, their time, talent and treasure.

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00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 5: It's a beautiful thing.

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00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 8: It's a hard thing, yeah, but it's good.

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00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: But even we I think we probably all have different

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00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: approaches and different understanding. You lived in la and you're like, no,

1143
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: NAACP is a huge presence. I'm only talking to other

1144
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: people who live there who didn't feel the presence I

1145
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: would have said in Florida. I don't know how big,

1146
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: but you're saying no. Here they are, you know, have

1147
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: a big presence.

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Speaker 11: So what I say about a lot of those legacy

1149
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 11: groups is, if we had to if we had to

1150
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 11: do a popularity like name recognition across the board, these

1151
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 11: are folks who would.

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00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 4: Have brand name I D within our community, and they're

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00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 4: almost all ways always.

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00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 6: The default place people want to go when they don't

1155
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 6: feel like they're getting what they need from the right,

1156
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 6: if they're being you know, wrecked over, you know, ord

1157
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 6: not seen, can't get a complaint call returned the first

1158
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 6: I mean, it's it's clockwork, because it's it's muscle memory

1159
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 6: folks are like, well, what is na a CP doing.

1160
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 6: That's when I hear the most criticism about and the

1161
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 6: most praise, as in somebody's moment of personal crisis, because

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00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 6: it's it's it is the nine to one one.

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00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so for a lot of people, whether there it's.

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00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: Regional or even when it's not a crisis. And Jackson,

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00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: na a c P is a.

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00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 4: Historic reason. Yeah, to be be loud and proud. You know,

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00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 4: in the country they have legacy.

1168
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: And hold our history in the young man he kind

1169
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: of came for them last with you don't remember that.

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Speaker 3: He was like, we say NAACP. Like he was basically

1171
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 3: saying that young people don't feel connected to them one

1172
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 3: because of the name they have young. But no one's

1173
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 3: saying it's no young people.

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01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:05,919
Speaker 5: And a lot of young people.

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01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: It's relative when you consider all the young people. If

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01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: it's a thousand young people in there, that's that's a

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Speaker 1: very small amount.

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Speaker 6: The markers shouldn't be that versus how we show up

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Speaker 6: in other spaces as well.

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Speaker 3: Agree, So by.

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01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 6: Percentage we've you know, they're they're punching outside their weight.

1182
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 6: There's no doubt about it.

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01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 4: Their legacy has afforded them the ability to bump to

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01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 4: box up basically.

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Speaker 6: I mean they take on administration, they take on presidents,

1186
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 6: they take on you know, courts, they.

1187
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 4: Take on systems.

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01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: And there's a difference I think in between NAACP and

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01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: na a c P OLDF, like the way the stuff

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01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: that the LDF is doing their very outfront and NAACP

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01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: is out front.

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Speaker 6: Ona ACP pieces where the people at the lawyers are.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, this is not an economy we

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Speaker 4: need too.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what point where we need all hands

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01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: on decks. And don't be honest about my own disconnectre

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01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: I feel disconnected. You talked about some of like who

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01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: are leaders or something people when you said nineteen Keys,

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Speaker 1: I have never heard of nineteen Keys in my life

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Speaker 1: until about two weeks ago it was some controversy around him.

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Speaker 3: So I feel.

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Speaker 1: Incredibly disconnected from some of the more pop culture leaders,

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01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: from some of these like Instagram philosophizers. You know, it's

1204
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: like I don't really know who they are. I have

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Speaker 1: never and I still have nineteen Keys walking here right now.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't know it was him in.

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Speaker 6: Nineteen Keys probably has thousands, hundreds of thousands, tens of

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Speaker 6: thousands of followers.

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01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 3: Maybe, oh he's like a celebrity. I suppose.

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Speaker 9: I can't tell you what it's like, mostly black empowerment

1211
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 9: on our economics.

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Speaker 6: If there are millions of us out there that are

1213
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 6: willing to dial in because somebody's talking about our future

1214
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 6: economic health as a community and that moves them, I say,

1215
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 6: there are credit to what we all be doing right now.

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Speaker 8: That's right.

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Speaker 4: So again, I don't know a lot of these folks.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you got to explain most SETI set anyway.

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Speaker 8: I just I literally decided to dive in. Yeah, because

1220
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 8: for me, I want to know, like, it does.

1221
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 9: Not behoove me in service to our people to think

1222
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 9: that my way is the only way. It's just it's ridiculous.

1223
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 9: I want to be able to reach the people you

1224
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 9: reach and hear what you're saying to reach them, and

1225
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 9: I want to figure out how we can work in

1226
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Speaker 9: tandem to do that.

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Speaker 1: Let me, we're gonna We're gonna rap soon. But I

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01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: have a question for you, because I think this this

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01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: gets into when there's real disagreement. So what are somebody

1230
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 1: here as you say that, and they say, but Angela

1231
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: Byron Donalds, for example, he.

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Speaker 8: Has a white district, A white.

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Speaker 1: Okay, somebody who is a supporter of Byron Donalds and MAGA,

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01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: and they're saying, but you're saying, you don't have an ego,

1235
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Speaker 1: And I think there is the right way.

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Speaker 3: I think MAGA is doing some things, and I think

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01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 3: this is I think there is strategy there in getting

1238
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 3: behind MAGA and being on the inside and trying to

1239
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 3: help our people becoming a part of this I call

1240
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 3: it a cult.

1241
01:02:58,720 --> 01:02:59,919
Speaker 8: How would you feel sure?

1242
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 9: Maybe there's a strategy and he can keep that strategy

1243
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 9: the hell away from me, because he going to strategize

1244
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 9: us right into the belly of a slave ship. So

1245
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 9: if they want to follow that, they are welcome. He

1246
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 9: is not welcome anywhere where I am. I'm happy to

1247
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 9: have a conversation, and I would have.

1248
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 8: I would have. I mean, he's an elected office.

1249
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 9: He's running for governor, you know, like I'm happy to

1250
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 9: have the conversation, but I want to have a conversation

1251
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 9: rooted in facts, and if he can't do that.

1252
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 8: I don't want to talk.

1253
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 4: A big difference to me is that.

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01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 9: I wanted to have Tims caught on because there's this

1255
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 9: peace out about did Tim Scott squander his minority business

1256
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 9: agenda attaching to Mega.

1257
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Speaker 8: That's a conversation I want to have because right historically at.

1258
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Speaker 9: Least there were some pieces around his economic agenda that

1259
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 9: I think we could agree on, same thing, probably with

1260
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 9: Byron Donald's. But like, what tell me what happens when

1261
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 9: you don't think about your Jamaican grandparents as all this

1262
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 9: stuff is going down, right, Like, I just have some

1263
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:02,479
Speaker 9: fundamental questions.

1264
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 3: Sott will never come on this show, but Senator Scott,

1265
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 3: we would love.

1266
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Speaker 4: To have you.

1267
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 3: You're welcome home here. We'd love to hear from you,

1268
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 3: Senator Scott.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, I just wanted to ask that because sometimes the

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01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: tactics and strategies are so far over here that I

1271
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 1: can't get with it, and I wanted to be transparent

1272
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: about my own disconnect and just things I don't know,

1273
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: you know, like the people I talk to don't represent everybody,

1274
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: But I just know some people who don't feel.

1275
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 6: What they may but when they hear you, they may

1276
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 6: feel themselves heard, seen and represented.

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Speaker 4: I don't.

1278
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 6: I mean, I think it is important to be curious

1279
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 6: about what we don't know and what we haven't experience,

1280
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 6: and from the way I exercise it is by trying

1281
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 6: to take away the value judgment on whatever it is

1282
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 6: and just deal with the thing I do or don't know,

1283
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 6: or want to find out and want to know better,

1284
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 6: because it stops a lot of us from engaging in

1285
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 6: certain ideas and accepting certain truths when we can't get

1286
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 6: past the we have of of the source by which

1287
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 6: is coming through and if that becomes the order of

1288
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 6: the day, and it has already in so many pockets

1289
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 6: of our society, that what I think about you is

1290
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 6: what you are, What I think about the work you

1291
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Speaker 6: do is exactly what it is. And there's an absence

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Speaker 6: of any curiousity around. Like I thought y'all were burning

1293
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 6: babies in there.

1294
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 5: I read you know.

1295
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 4: It's like we're turning people off right there.

1296
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 6: And I would just dare people to choose to be

1297
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 6: more curious and less judging about what's.

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Speaker 8: Different we have we have.

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Speaker 1: I just yes, I just forgot what we're doing here. Yes,

1300
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Speaker 1: I was about to say something and my thought was interrupted.

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01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: One can our producer off camera go get our guests.

1302
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Speaker 1: I would like to invite the guests on please thank

1303
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: you anyway?

1304
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 3: Can I surprise the audience y'all? I heard you say

1305
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 3: you could have just been quiet and let the audience.

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01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 9: If you offer a random guest on, it's going to

1307
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 9: be a dog.

1308
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 8: Let me bet that dog.

1309
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 4: I want to put that.

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Speaker 1: Joining us. Okay, so don't go anywhere. We'll be right

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Speaker 1: back with our guests and c t a s.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, we have watched.

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Speaker 8: Watch God.

1314
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 3: This is our sweet little little bit dog.

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Speaker 8: Let me bet that down. Why is why is the

1316
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Speaker 8: dog shaking diff.

1317
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 9: Because he was just she was just carried in here,

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01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 9: he said, about to look at the earlier, but she didn't.

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Speaker 8: Okay, she looked.

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Speaker 3: Camera in the sweet little baby, sweet little baby, she's

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Speaker 3: so spoiled.

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Speaker 1: If you're not constantly petting her, she's petting you anyway.

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Speaker 1: My c is because I love to be kind of animals.

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Speaker 1: They are furry friends. And look at I like pitbulls,

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Speaker 1: y'all know they're it is like just just a needy dog.

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Speaker 2: She literally.

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Speaker 3: I want to pit bull. You're my baby's but she's

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Speaker 3: so cute.

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Speaker 8: I just want to her to exposed tips breastfeed.

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Speaker 4: Give me your takeaway, what's your all to action?

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Speaker 8: I'm just astonished. Did y'all hear TIFF's doggy voice?

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Speaker 6: Do it?

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Speaker 8: That is nuts. Anyway, my call to action.

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Speaker 4: Is there's gonna be people. Baby. If you're in the

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Speaker 4: A t L, don't talk about it, be about it.

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Speaker 9: We're saying we and saying we're doing ten cities, but

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Speaker 9: it's technically twelve because we split up rally Durham and

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Speaker 9: Birmingham and Montgomery.

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Speaker 8: Is that eleven or twelve? Anyway? We are.

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Speaker 9: Going to be starting in Atlanta with community service. We

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Speaker 9: are helping to pack boxes for seniors and kids on

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Speaker 9: Saturday morning at nine. We will also be.

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Speaker 8: Giving books with those boxes, some banded books, gonna pat

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Speaker 8: that doll book and so. But we want you to register.

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Speaker 9: We want you to register right away at stateofthepp L

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Speaker 9: dot com. From there we go to we have a

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Speaker 9: rally Sunday, and then we go to Durham and then

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Speaker 9: to Raleigh.

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Speaker 8: We're gonna rally and Raleigh Leigh.

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Speaker 9: I'm just fascinated by this dog situation.

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Speaker 8: I want to pay that gypoil.

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Speaker 6: Tell us how many election days when you get a rest,

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Speaker 6: hopefully soon.

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna tell you guys, honestly, I think she.

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Speaker 4: Don't like you.

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Speaker 8: She wants pets from everybody. My hands is up.

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Speaker 3: It's okay if people can see you. This is her dad,

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Speaker 3: you guys, he's gonna he's gonna get her.

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Speaker 1: Look, she's like, I'm getting pets anyway. Sorry, you guys

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Speaker 1: who are who don't have the privilege of seeing this

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Speaker 1: beautiful dog if you're just listening. But she's so cute,

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Speaker 1: she's sweet. She's not a schizophrenic, you know. Yeah, she's

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Speaker 1: so spoiled. You can tell she's spoiled because she needs

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Speaker 1: pets all the time. But that's that's Angela's call the action. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we did ours, Angela.

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Speaker 3: Who else can you tell them? How many days andrew.

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Speaker 8: We have?

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Speaker 3: We don't have midterms, is the question.

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Speaker 4: We will.

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Speaker 8: Five and fifty eight days until the midterm election.

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Speaker 4: That's when they come.

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Speaker 8: Welcome home, y'all, Welcome home everybody.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining the natives. Attention to what the

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Speaker 2: info and all of the latest rock gulum and cross

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Speaker 2: connected to the statements.

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Speaker 4: That you leave on our socihos.

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Speaker 2: Thank you sincerely for the patients reason for your choice

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Speaker 2: is clear. So grateful too to execute roads. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for serve, defend and protect the truth.

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Speaker 3: Even in case.

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Speaker 4: We'll welcome home to all of the natives. Wait, thank you.

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