1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: This episode contains descriptions of sexual abuse of miners that 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: may be distressing for some listeners. Please take care as 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: you listen. Monday morning, nineteen ninety two, Cancun, Mexico. The 4 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: air was hot and heavy. Tourists boarded crowded boats. Hotel 5 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: workers heard into kitchens, and one man was driving his 6 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: daughter to school, his knuckles white, creeping the steering wheel. 7 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: But he wasn't taking her to class. He was heading 8 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: straight to the principal's office, the office of a priest 9 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: named Fernando Martinez, a man loved by the community, the 10 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: same priest who had given his little girl her first 11 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: communion not long ago. The car pulled up to Cumbres 12 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:12,199 Speaker 1: Cancun is cool, run by the legionaries. The man walked 13 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: through the halls straight to the office. He opened the 14 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: door and without a word, started hitting the priest fist 15 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: after fist. 16 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: Se wahan in frinanel parre Fernando martinezos teluisna malo keom 17 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: interpreted too this. 18 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: Is an alum Salassa remembering that moment more than thirty 19 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: years ago, when her dad learned what that priest had 20 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: done to her. Someone from the administration had to drag 21 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: her dad away. She remembers the image of the priest 22 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: dropping to his knees, kissing her dad's shoes, begging for forgiveness, 23 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: saying an Alu had misunderstood that she had imagined it all, 24 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: swearing he had done nothing wrong, but her dad wasn't 25 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: buying it, and Alu was only eight years old, but 26 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: he trusted every word his daughter said. And this earlier 27 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: she had told them something devastating, something no parent ever 28 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: wants to hear. 29 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 3: The Olympics Andanzus Firnas. 30 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: Armies of Costammetello Manus. 31 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: First, she told them she didn't like what father Fernando 32 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: did to her. She described how he took her to 33 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: the chapel when no one else was there, and then 34 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: he would sit her on his lap, lift her skirt 35 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: and slip his hands under her underwear. 36 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 2: Eea mister d sum. 37 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: And Alu saw her parents crying as she was telling this, 38 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: and she felt regret. She didn't want to call them pain. 39 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: Her parents try to comfort her, told her she had 40 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: done nothing wrong, that they would take care of it, 41 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: that everything was going to be okay. And Alu said 42 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: that the abuse had been going on for more than 43 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: a year. Much later, she would find out some of 44 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: her classmates were leaving the very same thing, but nothing 45 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: ever happened to Father Fernando. Little by little, the Salassars 46 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: realized they weren't just standing up to one abusive priest. 47 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: They were standing up to Cancun's most powerful elite. And 48 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: in the end, the punishment didn't fall on the abuse her, 49 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: It fell on them. 50 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: Miss Papaseila and Repentita dispose. 51 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:29,799 Speaker 1: The family's businesses collapsed. Close friends turned their backs at school, 52 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: and Aluva. 53 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 2: Was bullied, Sarama, you have asked you stay infectaami. 54 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: Her classmates called her disgusting, that she was infected, that 55 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: it was gross to even get close to her. And 56 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: outside the school it wasn't much different. Everywhere the family went, 57 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: they fell, the stairs, the whispers. It was as if 58 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: the whole city was watching them. Father Fernando's ties reached Everywhereo. 59 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 2: Familias alosuelas of familia. 60 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 3: They ran dr press. 61 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: The Salassars kept fighting, trying to call attention not only 62 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: for their daughter but for the other victims who couldn't speak. 63 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: But the more they pushed, the more the pressure grew. 64 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: The whispers turned into warnings, and then the message came 65 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: loud and clear. 66 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 3: Candos was Cancun. 67 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: If they didn't like how things worked in Cancun, they 68 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: could leave, so they did. No one could see it then, 69 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: But one day the little girl would grow, growing to 70 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: a woman who would speak again, and when she did, 71 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: others around the world would find the courage to speak 72 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: to until a darker truth came out. Father Fernando wasn't 73 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: an exception in the legion. He was part of something larger, 74 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: a copy shaped in the image of Mazielle. One of 75 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: many who followed his example learned his methods, unlike so 76 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: many others had once been his victim. My name is 77 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: Elena Sada and this is secret scandal, the many secrets 78 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: of Marcille Mazielle Episode nine, Like Father, like Father, will 79 00:06:54,600 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: be right back. You would think that when Mazielle died, 80 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: the problem would have died with him, that everything he 81 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: built would collapse and the shadow would finally be lifted. 82 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: But it didn't because Mozielle wasn't just a cancer that 83 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: could be cut out. He was a virus that infected others, 84 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: passed down his methods, his silence, his power games. So yes, 85 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: he was a source, but he was never the end 86 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: of the problem. And to see how this problem goes, 87 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: we have to look at what came after Mazielle, the 88 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: priest who carried his shadow forward, case by case, story 89 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: by story. To understand their methods and to see how 90 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: far that the privity spread. For this we turned to 91 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: a Milianao Ruispara. He's a Mexican journalist who has spent 92 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: years investigating the legion of Christ, and a Miliano isn't 93 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: just a reporter watching from the outside, chasing victims for quotes. 94 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: It was the other way around. The victims came to him. 95 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: They had carried their stories in silence for years, and 96 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: when they finally spoke, they placed the weight in his hands. 97 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: It reminded me of something we heard earlier in this series, 98 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: when josev Ava and the other victims of Mazielle went 99 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 1: to Jason Barry. They weren't just looking for a journalist, 100 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: they were looking for someone who would listen, someone who 101 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: would believe them. And the Miliano, like Jason before him, 102 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 1: began to see that the case was taken shape, this 103 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: time in Chile. 104 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 4: Between two thousand and eight and ten. Yeah, well, sorry, 105 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 4: there are four investigated by the Chilean authorities. So the 106 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 4: most notorious and tragic case is the Rosario's case. 107 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: She does not want to disclose her last name, but 108 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: Rosaldiou's case shook the Chilian community to its core. What 109 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: she described was pure horror. 110 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 4: She was under age. She was a minor sixteen years old, 111 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 4: which she started to inhabit the house of the consecrated 112 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 4: Women of the Rayndom Christie in Santiago, Chile. 113 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: She was assigned to care for the chapel that men 114 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: staying up late cleaning, making sure everything was ready for 115 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: the next day. Well, the rest of the concert adas 116 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: went to bed early, priest stayed up and they made 117 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: their way to the chapel when Closidia was alone. That's 118 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: the hypocrisy I remember so well. As concert radas, we 119 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: worked ourselves to exhaustion just to keep our thoughts clean, 120 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: to keep our minds busies, or nothing impure could ever 121 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 1: cross our imagination. Meanwhile, the priests who preached purity were 122 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: the ones committing the most file acts. 123 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 4: I wouldn't like to like to repeat the account she 124 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 4: did in her statement to the children authorities. This was 125 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:49,599 Speaker 4: very sadistic with punches, and she was drocked or she 126 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 4: was pressure to drink alcohol to do this. 127 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: According to the reporting, los Adia was dragged and raped 128 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: by multiple priest at the same time. Her memory is blurry, 129 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: but one detail cut through. She remembers one of them 130 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: thanking Setan for letting him fulfill his desires. Think about that. 131 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: As conseradas, we physically punished ourselves for the smallest plot, 132 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: And yet here was a priest inside the chapel hailing 133 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: Satan in the middle of his abuse. 134 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 4: It was quite terrible, horrible, and she lasted many years too. 135 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 4: She lasted ten years in order to recall her own abuse. 136 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: After years of abuse and control. As a Concertada Osario 137 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: finally began to make sense of the hell she had endured. 138 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: She was twenty six now and she was ready to speak. 139 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: Some people asked why she had waited so long, But 140 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: as we've seen throughout this series, the truth of abuse 141 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: doesn't always surface right away. Sometimes it takes years. In 142 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: Rosadio's case, it was a memory buried so deep it 143 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: took time to fight its way back, and she. 144 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 4: Tried, like many other victims, to look for justice within 145 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 4: the church. Nothing happened. 146 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: Nothing happened because the Legion protected the abusers, blamed the victims, 147 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: and buried everything under silence. It was the same machine 148 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: that had childed Massiel until his death, and the Legion 149 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: knew it worked. They had seen it work for decades, 150 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: so they used it again and again like a playbook, 151 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: a playbook that gave them the freedom to keep going, 152 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: to do whatever they wanted without fear of ever being caught. 153 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: But this time something was different. Rosaldio had one advantage 154 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: the victims of Marsile never had. The crimes against Rosalio 155 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: had not yet reached the statue of limitations, which means 156 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: that in Chile there's no expiration date for prosecuting sexual 157 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: crimes against minors, so the law would still let her 158 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: take her abusers to court. 159 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 4: So then she went to the civil authorities, and currently 160 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 4: her case is in in front of a judge. 161 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: Rosadio's case opened the door Chile had never seen before, 162 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: a case not just against individual priests, but against the 163 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 1: Legion of Christ itself, not only for abuse, but for 164 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: covering it up. For the first time in the Legion's history, 165 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: they were being called to account for their silence. Rosadio 166 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: didn't just open the legal door, she opened the door 167 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 1: for others. Her voice gave courage to victims who had 168 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: carried their painting secret for years. One of them was 169 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: Martin Muse. 170 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 4: When he was thirty somethings, he was abusing of alcohol 171 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 4: consumption and he was like a very angry man. So 172 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 4: his wife told him, you gotta go to therapy or 173 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 4: this relationship will finish. So he went with a shrink 174 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 4: and he discovered that he was very angry because he 175 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 4: was abused when he was a child by a priest. 176 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: Martin remembers that priests even had a nickname Akura Perro, 177 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: the dog priest, because people said he had a sex 178 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: fixation with animals. And that's when you think this was 179 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: just too blattant. It's impossible for the Legion or the 180 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: other priests to claim they didn't know what was going on. 181 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: They knew, they joked about it. The school kids even 182 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: gave him nicknames, and still they let him carry on 183 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: long enough to ruin Martin's childhood. But once Martin finally 184 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: understood what had happened to him, he wanted justice. 185 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 4: When he learned about the Rosarios story, he was very 186 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 4: moved and he decided to become public and Eventually they 187 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 4: went with the same lawyer and currently his cases also 188 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 4: before I judge. 189 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: Prosario and Martin are suing the Legion of Christ for 190 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: failing to protect them, for complicity with their abusers. And 191 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: these are not isolated stories. When you put them together, 192 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: you start to see the pattern abuse, silence, cover up 193 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: the same mythod repeated across borders. Chile is one example, 194 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: but not the only one. More recently, another case came 195 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: out in Mexico, this time against the priests very close 196 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: to Marsil himself. His name is Antonio Cabrettra. 197 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 4: Cabretta. It's like a little Masiele. She was very talented 198 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 4: to get money, to get very big donations from rich people, 199 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 4: and he was alcoholic as well. 200 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: Cabrettra wasn't known as a bias man, but he was 201 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: good at gathering money. That's why Mazilla pointed him as 202 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: a personal risk of a wealthy family in Mexico City. 203 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: And this wasn't unusual. The Legion often plays priests inside 204 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: powerful households, turning them into trusted guests at dinners and 205 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: family celebrations. I remember how it happened in my own home. 206 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: A legionary priest showed up one day with a flat 207 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: tired outside our gate. He said it was a divine coincidence. 208 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: So my mother invited him in, and before long he 209 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: was at our table all the time, woven into our lives. 210 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 1: That's how the legion worked its way into families, quietly, intimately, 211 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: until trust was complete. And that's how Cavada crossed the line. 212 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 4: And in three occasions, in three times, according to the 213 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 4: account of the victim, he abused of a child. 214 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: It happened in December. The house was full of Christmas 215 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: decorations in activities seen in the corner. The baby Jesus 216 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: laid out in this struck crew, the season when families 217 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: celebrate God coming into the world, and in the same 218 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: house a priest was abusing a child. That memory was 219 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: too heavy for a child to carry, so it stayed 220 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: buried in the dark for years. Like it had happened 221 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: with Martin and society, he. 222 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 4: Also had to wait for ten or thirty or twelve 223 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 4: years in order to recall his own abuse, because it's 224 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 4: very like frequent that victims tend to black out these 225 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 4: episodes of sexual violence in order to go on with 226 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 4: their lives. 227 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: When he finally understand to what had happened. He told 228 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: his mother. It was really hard because she was close 229 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: to the priest, but she believed her son immediately, and 230 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: together they went to the Legion to the nouns Cabrettra, 231 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: and as always, the Legion followed the same playbook, the 232 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: nya and silence. 233 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 4: And your of Christ told him all, no problem, it 234 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 4: was nothing, It was just attraction to your son. 235 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: The Legion's response was chilling, So after realizing no one 236 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: inside the church was ever going to care, they went 237 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: to the Mexican authorities and this. 238 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 4: Guy Cabrera was arrested in the Mexican airport, in the 239 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 4: airport of Mexico City, and he's been in jail since then. 240 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 4: The lawyers contracted by hired by the young nurse of 241 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 4: Prices are defending him. 242 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: Today, Cabreta sits in jail in Mexico awaiting trial. The 243 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: Legion has hired the best lawyer's money comebye to defend 244 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: the indefensible Mexico, Chile, Spain, the United States. Cases keep rising. 245 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 1: The names change, the countries change, but the pattern stays 246 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: the same, and sometimes that pattern hides the truth even 247 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: harder to face. We'll be right back after a short break. 248 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: While survivors around the world were beginning to speak, so 249 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: was an ALUs A Lassa. After everything that happened in Cancun. 250 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: When she was just eight years old, her family left 251 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: and went back to their hometown of Monterey. Years past, 252 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: childhood gave way to adulthood. She built a life on 253 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: stage and in front of cameras. To day she is 254 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: a journalist and a TV host, but the past never 255 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: really leaves. She still carries that image of father Fernando 256 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: dropping to his knees, kissing her father's shoes, sorring she 257 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: had imagined it all. She still carries everything she lived 258 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: in that chapel at Cumbres, Cancun, one of the many 259 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 1: legendary schools spread across Mexico. By her thirties, she finally 260 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: felt strong enough to face it on May second, twenty nineteen, 261 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: and a loose spoke out on social media, where thousands 262 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: followed her. She wrote that she had been abused by 263 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: father Fernando Martinez when she was a child, and that 264 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: some of her classmates had lived the same horror. The 265 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: national media picked it up almost instantly. Soon an Alleu 266 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: was on news shows across Mexico. Her voice was steady, 267 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: her message clear. She wanted her abuser brought before a judge, 268 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: but timing can be cruel, and Alu spoke when she 269 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: was finally ready, just as many of Masiell's victims had. 270 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: But by then the statue of limitations had closed the door. 271 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: Father Fernando would never stand trial. That kind of injustice 272 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 1: doesn't just vanish. It leaves scars that ripple out where 273 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: and in ways we don't always see, like waves in 274 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: water spreading farther and farther. If Masielle had been stopped 275 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 1: in the fifties or the eighties, or at any point 276 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: before his death, how many children would have been spared? 277 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: How many stories would have never been written in vain? 278 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: If Mosiel had ever faced justice, maybe an Alleu would 279 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: have been spared too. She wasn't abused by Marsiel himself, 280 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: but she was cutting the ripples he left behind. His 281 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 1: legacy lived on in the man who abused her. 282 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 3: It was one of Ernando Martinez. 283 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 2: She for victim, and de Masielle perl de nuncia Maciel 284 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 2: or ablas o rezul experiencia for Monsiel. 285 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 3: This was a culo denucimilis no public commende. 286 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: After she spoke out and Alu learned something she never 287 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: expected that her abuser had himself been abused by Marsile 288 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: when he was a boy. He only admitted it after 289 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: an allue went public in twenty nineteen. But none of 290 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: that excuses what Fernando Martinez did to her or to 291 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: her classmates. Nothing ever could, and Alleud was left with 292 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 1: anger and confusion, with sorrow for herself and for every 293 00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: child who had carried the same burden. In silence day 294 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: she gathered all of it, the rage, the grief, the 295 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: announswer questions, and put it into words. She wrote a 296 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: letter and send it to her abuser. These are some 297 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: of the words she wrote. 298 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 3: The convertition local Masters to fans. 299 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: Even knowing the pain it cost you, after suffering it 300 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: yourself at the hands of Masil, you became the very 301 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: thing that destroyed your life as a child. May your 302 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: burden be as heavy as mine, betophile, tyrone, criminal. 303 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 3: And in this test as the litmus. 304 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: Wherever you are, there's no harsher judge than your own actions. 305 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: And for those you'll pay until your very last breath. 306 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: When the Legion finally admitted what Fernando Martinez had done. 307 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: It meant nothing. They said he had harmed children, but 308 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: there was no justice, no compensation, And when he died 309 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, it hit heard for many survivors. 310 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: It was a painful reminder of how often these cases 311 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 1: end without answers, how easily accountability slips away. The Legion, meanwhile, 312 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: has tried to save face. They've put out statements, polished words, 313 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: recognizing the pain Mascile cost. They did the same for 314 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: Fernando Martinez. But even now, in twenty twenty five, they're 315 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: still pouring money into lawyers defending priests in courtrooms across countries. 316 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: The Legions still exists today, and I can't help but ask, 317 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: after everything they've done, after everything we know now, how 318 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: is it possible they're still standing. That's what we'll explore 319 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: in the next episode of Secret Scandal, The Many Secrets 320 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:31,479 Speaker 1: of Marcel Maciel. Sacred Scandal, The Many Secrets of Marcell 321 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: Maseill is a production of AHA Podcast in partnership with 322 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: Iheartmichael Doula Podcast Network, and is hosted by me Elena Sada, 323 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: written by Malissa Hendrix and Alvao Saespedes, produced by Alvao 324 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: ses Pedes and Robert Tagarza. Research and reporting by Robert Tagarza, 325 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: edited by Jasmine Rometo with the help of Carmen Grato. 326 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: Fact checking by Annabella Tovar. The vocal coach for me 327 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: Elena Sada is Inadapi. 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