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Speaker 2: him Terry McLaurin. Tomorrow Wednesday is Command Center and we're
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Speaker 2: on YouTube. Welcome to the Command Center Podcast. I'm Logan
Speaker 2: Paulson here with Fred Spoot and Santana Man.
Speaker 4: Say you guys doing that's my name, that's your name?
Speaker 2: You're doing all right?
Speaker 4: I'm doing. I'm always good.
Speaker 2: That was the weekend man I had.
Speaker 4: I had a crazy weekend.
Speaker 5: Started off with some very good golfing on the Eastern
Speaker 5: Shores with all of the old school guys, and I
Speaker 5: got it. Speaking of wide receivers, I got into a
Speaker 5: trash talking section with Gary Clark, Ricky Sanders, you know
Speaker 5: the posse, and they threw something at me. They said,
Speaker 5: do you think your rookie year defensive backfield could have
Speaker 5: stopped us? And my rookie year defensive backfield was me,
Speaker 5: Champ Bailey and Darryl Green versus Ricky Sanders, Gary Clark and.
Speaker 4: Even my three guys.
Speaker 6: We go mine to mine.
Speaker 4: You don't want that, I want it all.
Speaker 3: But see you gotta think too that that those years
Speaker 3: that Gary Clark and all Monk was special. They was
Speaker 3: up there in the tops with Jed Rice and all
Speaker 3: the other guys. At times I was looking at the
Speaker 3: All Madden team. You were seeing Gary Clark right underneath
Speaker 3: Jed Rice.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, there's a lot of smoke, man,
Speaker 4: that's a lot of smoke.
Speaker 5: We got two we got two yellow jackets on that side.
Speaker 5: They got one yellow jacket on nail.
Speaker 2: So what's the age difference between the two guys, like
Speaker 2: when did they play when you played.
Speaker 6: Well, we're looking at fifteen years.
Speaker 4: And how much change, how much of the game change.
Speaker 5: And Coach Gibbs in that office that they had with
Speaker 5: the posse, plus what the Houston Oilers was doing down
Speaker 5: there with one moon and Buffalo spreading the ball out.
Speaker 5: They were the first teams to really push the ball
Speaker 5: down the field and also still run the ball.
Speaker 4: So they was anomaly at the time.
Speaker 3: Well, me and Fred came in around the time when
Speaker 3: a dinosaur is still roamed, so you the game wasn't
Speaker 3: changed as much much as you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: We were still able to get hitting them out. We
Speaker 3: were still able to get tugged on, you know, some
Speaker 3: of the same things that you saw. Those guys you
Speaker 3: know have to go through, uh doing their years.
Speaker 4: But I don't know Fred, Fred'd be talking.
Speaker 3: Man't want to get in front of I would have
Speaker 3: got in front of arg money.
Speaker 6: Tell me what you want to Let.
Speaker 2: It happy, all right? So talk about wide receivers. Ye,
Speaker 2: our guy Devanta Adams came out with his receiver ranking
Speaker 2: and not surprisingly he's the number one on that lists.
Speaker 2: I'm not man on that I'm not man, and I
Speaker 2: think he's got a legitimate argument to be a number
Speaker 2: receiver in the he.
Speaker 6: Is a basketball player and a football players.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he does an excellent job. But followed by Justin
Speaker 2: Jefferson two, A Tyreek Hill to be, Stefan Diggs a
Speaker 2: little surprising here, Calvin Ridley at four and then at
Speaker 2: five Mike Evans as the A and at B C
Speaker 2: D Lamb. So what are our thoughts on this list?
Speaker 4: Well, I love the list.
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised by any guy who's saying that they're
Speaker 3: they're the best out of all these guys. But one
Speaker 3: of the things that you know, we talked about before
Speaker 3: we got on most receivers, and I know, especially the
Speaker 3: ones that know the game, they're not picking guys off
Speaker 3: of the seasons they had. They're picking guys that they know.
Speaker 3: You can put this guy anywhere on the field with
Speaker 3: any team and he gonna give you work.
Speaker 4: And you can give him any quarterback and he gonna
Speaker 4: give you work.
Speaker 3: DeVante Adams he stands tall on that list mainly because
Speaker 3: what the last what five years he got over six
Speaker 3: thousand something yards when he was considered the best, he
Speaker 3: had Aaron Rodgers. Then he topped that last year and
Speaker 3: went and played with car and show he can do
Speaker 3: the same thing.
Speaker 4: So that's what I look for. You know, I was the.
Speaker 3: Guy that had to play with a lot of different
Speaker 3: wide receivers, I mean the different quarterbacks and receivers that
Speaker 3: you know, if you want to throw that out there,
Speaker 3: But you couldn't look at the film and say, Okay,
Speaker 3: he dropped off here or there because I gave you
Speaker 3: the business. And now I might not got the attempts
Speaker 3: under these guys get in these days, but when you
Speaker 3: gave me the opportunity, I was gonna go out there
Speaker 3: and show you the same stuff.
Speaker 4: So that's what I think.
Speaker 3: He's basically giving these other guys credit for that did
Speaker 3: type of wire receivers.
Speaker 2: And the thing I wanted to ask you ten is
Speaker 2: like Davontae Adams is a like a route running technician.
Speaker 2: Excellent releases, excellent at the top of routes, excellent at
Speaker 2: that intermediate area, kind of throwing false keys in there.
Speaker 2: And he picked guys i'd say that kind of do
Speaker 2: the same thing as him. Right, They're very similar. They're
Speaker 2: very technically kind of proficient as route runners. You know
Speaker 2: when you were when you were making lists, when you
Speaker 2: were checking guys out, did you look for guys that
Speaker 2: reminded you of yourself and things that you valued in
Speaker 2: the game, or was it just kind of like game
Speaker 2: recognized game.
Speaker 4: Game recognized game.
Speaker 3: I was one of those guys that, man, I'm not
Speaker 3: probably even gonna give myself the noad most of the time,
Speaker 3: I was gonna give the other guy to naw but
Speaker 3: just knowing I was confident in what I can do,
Speaker 3: I was just praying that I can have the same
Speaker 3: kind of quarterback or or consistency from that position.
Speaker 4: You know, uh, Tyreek Hill might.
Speaker 3: Not be a guy like him, but he's twitched up
Speaker 3: his bad shoot in so many different ways, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So I like this list.
Speaker 3: You know, the only guy I would probably question it
Speaker 3: is Calvin Ridley because I haven't seen enough of him.
Speaker 3: But when I watched the little simple size of him,
Speaker 3: he was two guys I was gonna say.
Speaker 2: When I played with him in Atlanta, though he's very
Speaker 2: DeVante Adams ask very twitched up short area understands routes
Speaker 2: at a high level. So I can see when I
Speaker 2: like Devant Adam, says I like him. It's because he
Speaker 2: does things well, he values.
Speaker 5: But if I got a rank him, I can't rank
Speaker 5: a guy that hasn't played in the calendar in half.
Speaker 5: I just can't especially which guys that's out here putting
Speaker 5: in work consistently. If I look at this top five list,
Speaker 5: it's a couple of guys, Cavin Ridley being one of them,
Speaker 5: A ranked.
Speaker 4: Extremely too high, and Lamb like.
Speaker 5: Ceedee, Lamb is truly They don't play him on the
Speaker 5: outside no more. They can't play him primarily at slot,
Speaker 5: and he has problems separating like nobody wants to talk
Speaker 5: about that.
Speaker 6: Now he can contested plug catches, that's his thing.
Speaker 4: He can make it.
Speaker 5: But I gotta put Terry in this group because I'm
Speaker 5: gonna tell you what makes Terry special to me.
Speaker 4: That's a dB.
Speaker 5: If I got to study Terry, he doesn't have a
Speaker 5: defineding trade.
Speaker 4: If I'm studying.
Speaker 6: Santana Mouse, he's defining the trade.
Speaker 4: Is he's gonna run away from you?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 5: Well, Terry does what he needs to beat you in
Speaker 5: that circumstance, in that situation, if he needs to click
Speaker 5: on the speed he wheeled, if he needs to out
Speaker 5: jump you, he wheeled. He makes it to the point
Speaker 5: as a cornerback, you can't take your study into trying
Speaker 5: to play him.
Speaker 4: You just got to play him man the man.
Speaker 5: Mono you mono, and try to make sure your body
Speaker 5: is in the right position, because if you do take
Speaker 5: your your study, he'll use that against you.
Speaker 2: But definitely not this type of guy though Terry. You know,
Speaker 2: Terry's not. He's better than Cdland know, but I'm saying
Speaker 2: he's not. He doesn't have the same traits, you know.
Speaker 2: And obviously this is a very specific type of receiver
Speaker 2: that he's looking for, and I think that's one of
Speaker 2: the reasons he's probably excluded from this.
Speaker 4: Adam's number one on that list. If you ask me, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I like him.
Speaker 5: Tybreek Hill is the most dangerous motion hereus whipping in sports,
Speaker 5: Yeah he is.
Speaker 3: But he just like when it comes to receivers, you
Speaker 3: have to give him the knock because he is a
Speaker 3: receiver you can put he can be that that same
Speaker 3: caliber of danger. You know, when it comes to playing
Speaker 3: any position on the field. You put him in the
Speaker 3: backfield and you'll be like, he's the best running back
Speaker 3: that we got in the game.
Speaker 2: When he came in as a running back, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: that's crazy to think about it. And so of these guys,
Speaker 2: smooth is there, who are you least excited to cover?
Speaker 5: Tar receivers don't bother me, So Evans don't worry about
Speaker 5: the city. Lamb can't get down to feel as fast
Speaker 5: as people think he is. Tyreek Hill is the most
Speaker 5: dangerous weapon on here. He's the one that you go
Speaker 5: home and have nightmares about because you know you're one
Speaker 5: bad step away from.
Speaker 4: Him, from you not even being in the screens.
Speaker 5: If you watch his highlights, he's the only person in
Speaker 5: the screen.
Speaker 2: How does he compare to a guy like Randy Moss?
Speaker 2: You know guy that.
Speaker 5: Very similar everym it's just one tall in one short
Speaker 5: on you like body frames are different, but how they
Speaker 5: attack you vertically, It's like these the type guy to say,
Speaker 5: you know what, I'm gonna run twelve routes today, ten
Speaker 5: of them gonna be gold routes.
Speaker 6: We know they go routes and still cannot keep up with.
Speaker 2: How did you prep for a guy like Randy Moss? Like,
Speaker 2: because I think people you know, they see fast guys,
Speaker 2: but it's a different bugga.
Speaker 5: Well, I looked like had Greg Williams when we played
Speaker 5: against Randy and Greg used to tell us he's not
Speaker 5: running slants.
Speaker 6: They out started to play Slantsony's game.
Speaker 5: I'm taking you out to gather like this guy is
Speaker 5: gonna run go route and post. Be ready to play
Speaker 5: go route and post. Anything short. I'll make sure the
Speaker 5: linebackers take care. So's you have to game playing as
Speaker 5: a group of geinst Randy.
Speaker 6: You can't.
Speaker 5: Randy is not the type guy you say here, Deon Sanders,
Speaker 5: go take Randy out the game.
Speaker 6: Let it be over. Brandy was never that type dude.
Speaker 6: You would have to game play.
Speaker 3: That's the thing that's so special about the game too.
Speaker 3: People fail to realize is that DB's don't neces necessarily
Speaker 3: have to go out there and be man the man
Speaker 3: all day With guys like that, your defense should be
Speaker 3: able to say, you know what, play what he's mostly
Speaker 3: through at, and we're gonna handle the rest.
Speaker 4: And that you do to a Randy Moss or Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 3: Also, this is one of those guys that you gotta
Speaker 3: know he's gonna take the top off. Yeah, but he
Speaker 3: also one of them guys you can get him the
Speaker 3: ball on the phone book, a phone boot and Henna,
Speaker 3: he gonna get missing. So on the screen, you just
Speaker 3: got to make sure that everybody's hunting. But when you're playing,
Speaker 3: when you checking them, don't leave no guy out there
Speaker 3: in one on one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And so ten, I guess, are there any
Speaker 2: is there anybody on this list that you're surprising on
Speaker 2: that I know? Fred said Terry, and I think we're
Speaker 2: all like, you know, I understand it based the type
Speaker 2: of guy that he's looking for, but I'm a little
Speaker 2: surprised to anybody that you'res.
Speaker 4: I said, Kevin. Really, now, I understand when it comes
Speaker 4: to rating guys.
Speaker 3: I'm never was big on just the numbers because you
Speaker 3: got to think I was a guy that predominantly got
Speaker 3: eight hundred yards a year. But that didn't take nothing
Speaker 3: from Did I think I was better than some of
Speaker 3: those guy who was getting fifte hundred yards? Hell yeah,
Speaker 3: because I knew that the opportunities wasn't the same, and
Speaker 3: I knew they didn't have to walk in the same
Speaker 3: shoes I was walking in. You understand quarterbacks, you know,
Speaker 3: five and six quarterbacks in one season and then just
Speaker 3: just not having those opportunities because we was run first oriented.
Speaker 3: So I look at this list of saying he looking
Speaker 3: at these guys and saying, when I watch these guys
Speaker 3: on film, they.
Speaker 4: Giving you the business.
Speaker 3: Now now ceedee Lamb is somebody who I think he
Speaker 3: can give you the business too. I do agree with
Speaker 3: what Fred said when he's not separating, But the guy's
Speaker 3: deadly for doing what he does, so you got to
Speaker 3: give him credit. Calvin really is the only guy han't
Speaker 3: played enough for me to give him that credit.
Speaker 2: So when you're is there anybody again that is omitted
Speaker 2: from this list that's not on the list that you're saying, oh,
Speaker 2: like for me, I'm a little surprised, Like Tyler locketson
Speaker 2: on this list.
Speaker 4: It's not a guy.
Speaker 6: But Tyler Lock Daddy didn't get the credit he needed.
Speaker 2: He's not gonna get the.
Speaker 5: Created because everybody gonna say DK is the is the
Speaker 5: number one dude over there?
Speaker 4: Cooper Cup? Like how much Cooper to get respect?
Speaker 5: They treat him truly like riding the danger field like
Speaker 5: they do not the guy had the trip a clown.
Speaker 4: Too many dudes don't get.
Speaker 5: The dude in a career, Like how could you keep
Speaker 5: leaving Cooper Cup out of these conversations?
Speaker 2: But kill but like Kenny beat you outside would be
Speaker 2: my question with Cooper Cup. Like I love Cooper Cup,
Speaker 2: I love what he brings, but like, these guys are
Speaker 2: all legitimate outside guys that can play inside.
Speaker 4: The Cup has beat every last corner.
Speaker 2: Did he plays inside?
Speaker 4: Like on his list wham? I think he does have some.
Speaker 2: Ability to play outside. I know he's better inside. That's
Speaker 2: just the game.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: I think all as a receiver, you a receiver for
Speaker 3: a reason. You could play outside inside. I think the
Speaker 3: game ain't playing for some of these guys, you know,
Speaker 3: makes them more lead through playing them inside.
Speaker 4: So you know, if you're.
Speaker 3: Receiving the National Football League, you're receiver here because you
Speaker 3: can go outside of inside.
Speaker 4: I don't care that you don't get that many reps
Speaker 4: that way. It's just that's the way the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I mean again, very very similar Tary, not
Speaker 2: that super sudden, twitchy guy.
Speaker 3: But all they do is beat All they do is
Speaker 3: I mean they won on one man, he just threw
Speaker 3: some names from the top of his head.
Speaker 4: I mean, you got you.
Speaker 3: I like this listener, I love it, But I'm just
Speaker 3: saying you can't sit there and just think about every
Speaker 3: guy in the league and say, oh, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: he just threw some names out there.
Speaker 2: What about you, Mark.
Speaker 4: Chase, She's supposed to be on this list. Hey, that's
Speaker 4: is it too new? Hands down? Hands down? He might
Speaker 4: be my favorite right now.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 4: I like some years ago, I was a big Odell
Speaker 4: Beckham fan.
Speaker 3: I watched him coming into the similar draft, and I
Speaker 3: came home and beded guys like, look, I just saw
Speaker 3: the best receiver in the league. Trent Williams lost that
Speaker 3: bet to me. He didn't believe me. And he came
Speaker 3: in and he dominated. And years later you see this dude,
Speaker 3: Chase come in from the same school, and you're like, bro,
Speaker 3: he just dominates.
Speaker 4: It's nice.
Speaker 3: It's nothing he could he can't do, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. And then he has one of that. He
Speaker 3: has a body type like he can be a running back,
Speaker 3: no get in the backfield and be one of your
Speaker 3: better backs.
Speaker 4: So I just love his game.
Speaker 3: He can separate, catch the ball and he can beat
Speaker 3: you for eighty or he can line up wide and
Speaker 3: beat you for eighty, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So he's one of those guys that I look at
Speaker 4: him like myself.
Speaker 3: I might not have the size, but you can get
Speaker 3: me the ball down Phield, you can give me the
Speaker 3: ball in immediate you know, short route, whatever it was,
Speaker 3: I was going to find a way up.
Speaker 4: And that's just something I love about you.
Speaker 5: Besides the top three dudes, including himself stopping at Tyree Hill.
Speaker 4: Should be in there. But when we get to break
Speaker 4: in this league.
Speaker 5: Down and you forget about this Jamar chases where these
Speaker 5: guys it will push.
Speaker 4: It's at least guys.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of guys that we just set their names,
Speaker 3: and this list would look different if you really had
Speaker 3: to break it down.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. I think when when looking at
Speaker 2: this list, and I've said this before, he values certain things.
Speaker 4: You can just tell.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know when like when I'm evaluating tight ends,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, not a great blocker, So I kind
Speaker 2: of demote him, you know what I mean, even though
Speaker 2: it's it's not it's not essential to today's game, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I think he is saying. I
Speaker 2: like the twitch, I like the releases, I like the
Speaker 2: the the nuance that they bring. Because all these guys
Speaker 2: have very very high level nuance.
Speaker 5: You don't lose when you buy a sports car. Now
Speaker 5: that's the difference between then Amborghien and the JA.
Speaker 4: But in the end they all sports car.
Speaker 2: And so I guess what I'm saying is like, you know,
Speaker 2: I think I think jamar ch should one thousand percent,
Speaker 2: no question.
Speaker 4: But he got to guy.
Speaker 2: He likes, he likes, he likes whatever. You know, he
Speaker 2: likes Laborghini's and that's what he's gonna go with. So
Speaker 2: if you were making a list, Tanner, what are the
Speaker 2: three attributes to receiver he needs to have? And you
Speaker 2: can say two, Fred, what do you got?
Speaker 4: Route route running ability, a dog and dog?
Speaker 2: Dog and dogs?
Speaker 4: And I want you to be I mean, first you
Speaker 4: got to run routes.
Speaker 3: Fred, just talking about my my first attribute or something
Speaker 3: that he would have to identify me with my speed?
Speaker 4: Fred, please get my credit for my route runner. I
Speaker 4: will rot your side. But I understand he left it sports.
Speaker 5: When you talk about a sports card, you're worried about
Speaker 5: the speed. First, you don't worry about the European steer.
Speaker 6: But most people, I'm.
Speaker 3: Saying, people with my speed on my gears, they can't
Speaker 3: stop on a down, couldn't stop.
Speaker 4: And that's what I did all the time.
Speaker 2: So that's what I thought. You were a super power,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So, and that's one of the things that Cooley.
Speaker 3: When me and Cooley did a coaching thing for the
Speaker 3: nfl PA, they asked him Coolly, what was something special
Speaker 3: about ten and Cooley said, I never saw a guy
Speaker 3: that can get to top speed, stop and break it down.
Speaker 4: Incredible, that quick in and out, you know so because
Speaker 4: five receivers can't stop. People to understand that. So that's
Speaker 4: something that I'll probably look at too. But I want
Speaker 4: to see the dog in you. Like I was five
Speaker 4: nine at.
Speaker 3: It on great days and played outside for the first
Speaker 3: ten years of my career. I didn't get into slot
Speaker 3: until they made me say, hey, we just want you
Speaker 3: to slot to take something off you. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: I played a slot all through college while I'm just
Speaker 3: getting here in your team. You know So, I played
Speaker 3: outside at five nine, and no one ever gave me
Speaker 3: the you know me or Steve Smith the praise that
Speaker 3: we should get. When it came to just these two
Speaker 3: guys who they said during our draft class that we
Speaker 3: shouldn't even be drafted because of our size. We came
Speaker 3: out here and dominated with the guys who we saw
Speaker 3: for years be what four feet you know in just
Speaker 3: taller than us.
Speaker 2: You know, I know I said this to you before,
Speaker 2: but I really feel like you played like ten years
Speaker 2: too early. Like you like you in that Cooper Cup
Speaker 2: role where they can bounce you inside outside, get you
Speaker 2: off press like would have been uncomfortable, quite franctly, you know.
Speaker 5: So, I think when you talk about wide receivers, of
Speaker 5: course we're out running has to come up number one,
Speaker 5: but never everybody forgets that just because you were wide
Speaker 5: receiving the league catching the ball, yeah, like I'm sorry,
Speaker 5: Like I have seen guy like I have been beat
Speaker 5: on a double move and the guy just drops the ball.
Speaker 4: Like people think automatically receivers catch every day.
Speaker 6: They don't.
Speaker 2: They don't.
Speaker 5: And then the ones that catch it in traffic that's
Speaker 5: who I get loved to contested balls everything because guess
Speaker 5: what in college, man, you got five feet on these
Speaker 5: guys three greens in separation.
Speaker 4: But that chat and that's where Terry come in the
Speaker 4: best in.
Speaker 2: The limitary challenge, you're just driving a lot of trades
Speaker 2: to Terry. Terry is best dog, He's competitive, he catches
Speaker 2: the football and contested situations.
Speaker 3: We had this talk about Terry. I ain't want to
Speaker 3: cut you off, and I want to mention it. We
Speaker 3: had this talk about Terry, and you asked me, you
Speaker 3: know what I thought about his game, uh, last year
Speaker 3: a little bit, and I spoke highly of it because
Speaker 3: I just feel like, you don't really have to be
Speaker 3: the best route runner, because I don't think he might
Speaker 3: he might have that in him. You don't have to
Speaker 3: be the best hands catcher because I don't if we
Speaker 3: talk so much about him catching with his body, you
Speaker 3: just got to make the play. Terry does that time
Speaker 3: and time again, and when it's all said and done,
Speaker 3: when it's time for him to give him his credit,
Speaker 3: his jacket that he's trying to go get because it
Speaker 3: seems like he's on that pace. You're not going to
Speaker 3: say how many balls he quoted his hand, not going
Speaker 3: to see how many routes he beat you on.
Speaker 4: It's going to say they're.
Speaker 3: Gonna look at the old status and say, man, this
Speaker 3: man dominates since he came in his first year nine
Speaker 3: hundred yards and a thousand yards every year after that,
Speaker 3: and that's what he's shown us with ten plus quarterbacks
Speaker 3: already in his four or five year careers.
Speaker 4: My last he stands up about.
Speaker 5: To receive was and he gets this too, So maybe
Speaker 5: I'm just talking about you. It's a tracking the ball, Yeah,
Speaker 5: tracking bad passes.
Speaker 6: Most receivers would let bad passes flower.
Speaker 5: Like they don't care like Terry tracks the like he
Speaker 5: will just his body to what it needs to be.
Speaker 4: And I loved it, but well, I don't love it
Speaker 4: as a cornerback.
Speaker 5: But when I see receivers they do it, that just
Speaker 5: tells me they ain't letting no ball get pasted it.
Speaker 2: It's so funny here and you guys talking about this.
Speaker 2: We had to breakdown for Terry for the show on Tuesday,
Speaker 2: and I went back and watched all of his targets
Speaker 2: and he's catching balls falling down that he's he's created
Speaker 2: great separation on the slant that's an extra fifteen yard
Speaker 2: game right, or on the goal right it's under thrown.
Speaker 2: He's had to come back and make a play. And
Speaker 2: I just think about it, if he had a guy
Speaker 2: that could consistently get the ball, Yeah, Like, what does
Speaker 2: that look like over the course of a season? Like
Speaker 2: is he is?
Speaker 4: He?
Speaker 2: Is he easily on this list?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's at least easily. I mean, and that's some
Speaker 4: of the things.
Speaker 3: And I keep bringing it up because I live through this,
Speaker 3: you understand, So don't get me mixed up. And said,
Speaker 3: I want to talk about myself, but I want to
Speaker 3: because when you it's your experience, it's.
Speaker 4: Like something that's just man.
Speaker 3: I used to say that all types to go home, like, damn,
Speaker 3: can I just get lucky? Can I get a guy
Speaker 3: for three years? Can I get a guy for two?
Speaker 3: You know, more than two years? And you just see
Speaker 3: the opportunities. And I remember early in my career, Mere
Speaker 3: Reggie Wayne's to be on the phone a lot.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: We came you know, came in together, um and we
Speaker 4: got out.
Speaker 2: Very different experience.
Speaker 4: We were talking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we would talk to each other so much, and
Speaker 3: it was cool because you're kind of naive and you're
Speaker 3: just playing a game trying to find yourself. By the
Speaker 3: year like five or six, I started getting frustrated. I
Speaker 3: don't want to talk no more because now I see, damn,
Speaker 3: I'm trying to compete, you know, I'm trying to be up.
Speaker 4: There with these other guys.
Speaker 3: And so that's why Terry so special to me to
Speaker 3: see he's going through the similar you know, kind of
Speaker 3: path that I took when it came to the quarterbacks
Speaker 3: and not having that consistency at that position.
Speaker 4: But he just still finds the way.
Speaker 3: And you got to think about last year we were
Speaker 3: talking at one point in time and why we're not
Speaker 3: giving Terry more opportunities.
Speaker 4: Then here goes.
Speaker 3: Heinykey comes in and say, if all said it, then
Speaker 3: throwing the ball up Terry, do you know what.
Speaker 4: You saw? The guy win games for you with that opportunity.
Speaker 3: So that, man, it just it baffles me sometime when
Speaker 3: we talk about guys because I can argue, I can
Speaker 3: sit up in and argue with you and say, I
Speaker 3: like Johann when it comes to everything about the wide
Speaker 3: receiver position, hands, rot running, abillity, separation, all that, I
Speaker 3: would give him a noddter front of a lot of guys.
Speaker 3: He's younger than a lot of these guys, but I
Speaker 3: would give him a not.
Speaker 4: But Terry is the dog that I like. That's why
Speaker 4: he will always be one of my top wide receivers.
Speaker 2: So obviously a big part of Terry's career moving forward
Speaker 2: is you know Eric Banamy coming in the young what
Speaker 2: do you call him? Fred? The air Airwolf, Sam House
Speaker 2: coming in right, and that all starts today basically Phase three.
Speaker 2: What let's talk about Fase three and what that really
Speaker 2: means for guys, and what does that mean in terms
Speaker 2: of getting a team ready for the season.
Speaker 5: Vacation is almost over. The fare sid Now you're trying
Speaker 5: to get yourself back in like you just brought up
Speaker 5: coach B and me and from my office player, I'm
Speaker 5: trying to get in here and learn everything I need
Speaker 5: to know. Mentally, when trying camp start, I ain't no
Speaker 5: asking questions, no more come out there. It's just now
Speaker 5: everything starts to wrap up and you get to see
Speaker 5: the whole team. You get to see the rookies mixing
Speaker 5: with the old guys. Not the old guys looking at
Speaker 5: the rookies because they know some of these guys coming
Speaker 5: for their job. The rookies big eye looking at the
Speaker 5: Ventures because they've been watching him on TV for ten years.
Speaker 5: So you're finish, get that all out the way now,
Speaker 5: and your coaching staff is starting to finish, start to
Speaker 5: imprint the team they finished, start to tell him this
Speaker 5: is what I demand, this is what I want. And
Speaker 5: I did have a long, good discussion with Jack del
Speaker 5: Rio this weekend over the things he likes to do.
Speaker 6: And like he said, right now, I'm not a prisoner
Speaker 6: of my calls anymore.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 4: I'm not a prison of my calls.
Speaker 5: If you get well as a coordinator, you can only
Speaker 5: do what your players allow you to do.
Speaker 6: Like if I play for gred with he want to
Speaker 6: play a lot of man and man.
Speaker 5: Well, if we ain't have a man and man corners,
Speaker 5: he couldn't play a lot of man man He's gonna
Speaker 5: be forced to dictate it on different terms. Like I think,
Speaker 5: if you ever want to judge coach real, this gonna
Speaker 5: be the year he got a front end that matches
Speaker 5: the back end.
Speaker 4: And that's all he's been waiting on.
Speaker 5: Like he said, I love to blitz and feel the
Speaker 5: sheet up, but if I got guys, it's not gonna
Speaker 5: be aggressive going down here. I got guys started going backwards.
Speaker 5: They not gonna make no plays with the guys I
Speaker 5: got now. They like to make plays go in the
Speaker 5: opposite direction, and I get to teach them without anybody
Speaker 5: tame them first. So at the end of the day, yes,
Speaker 5: it's a coordinating You are a prisoner of your players,
Speaker 5: and you always be and is.
Speaker 2: It also part of it, Like the players are comfortable
Speaker 2: in the system, they can kind of make those make
Speaker 2: quarters come to life or three match come to life
Speaker 2: in the way they couldn't before.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they can't because now you got guys with it
Speaker 5: what I call get out of trouble speed. Get out
Speaker 5: of trouble speed, meaning I can exactly do the wrong thing.
Speaker 5: I was studying it. I jumped it.
Speaker 4: It wasn't what he was doing.
Speaker 6: I still can spind my hips get out of there
Speaker 6: and still go make a play.
Speaker 5: Well that's what he has right now, because look at
Speaker 5: the guys we had, like kenil Full probably had his
Speaker 5: best year in the NFL last year, but we also
Speaker 5: know he's losing a step in the top end speed
Speaker 5: like with Saint Juice had a great year year, He's
Speaker 5: not the fastest guy.
Speaker 4: Like we needed speed in the back end. We got
Speaker 4: speed in the back end.
Speaker 2: And so you know, what are they actually doing on
Speaker 2: the field. Obviously their installing defenses. This is like the
Speaker 2: first day of install, Like what does that look like?
Speaker 2: Because I you know, I think back to when we
Speaker 2: were with with Mike and OTAs were way different, but
Speaker 2: like it was basically a practice it was structured me running.
Speaker 4: I mean, I want to say that. And you know,
Speaker 4: I like listening to Fred because he gave you a
Speaker 4: lot of insight.
Speaker 3: And but that phase three, whether you're a veteran or
Speaker 3: a young guy, especially being a veteran, I feel like
Speaker 3: I was a vet for more years than I was
Speaker 3: a young guy. You honestly sitting there watching guys to
Speaker 3: see who's gonna be on the field with you, you know, Like,
Speaker 3: I mean, we all can be like right now, all
Speaker 3: these guys learning something new on the offensive side, But
Speaker 3: as a veteran, you're gonna learn it. You're gonna be
Speaker 3: home studying that stuff. Them young guy might be on
Speaker 3: the video games, you home, white, you could. I used
Speaker 3: to come in and be like, coach, put the stuff
Speaker 3: up there. We gotta do And I knew and I
Speaker 3: ain't have to look at him the board because I
Speaker 3: just went over the helme.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: But you're gonna watch and see who can soak all
Speaker 3: this knowledge up and go out there and put that
Speaker 3: on the field.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a pro.
Speaker 3: You know who's gonna be a pro, And who's the
Speaker 3: guy you're gonna have to get in this ear time
Speaker 3: and time again. But even some of those guys you
Speaker 3: might have to get in the ear, but you look
Speaker 3: at the talent and they're like, man, and we can
Speaker 3: get hold of him.
Speaker 4: Now we don't have to worry about waiting to you know,
Speaker 4: a blossom lady.
Speaker 3: That's what I used to get out of fair Street,
Speaker 3: just knowing that we all get together. You got especially
Speaker 3: when you got a guy like Fred across from you,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be fun practices because he's gonna call somebody
Speaker 3: out and then be out and then you have fun
Speaker 3: just competing against these guys, knowing that man, we're finna
Speaker 3: get ready to go home and chop it up and
Speaker 3: play cards.
Speaker 4: And he just brought what up. Make a team.
Speaker 5: This is when you become a team because regardless, we're
Speaker 5: gonna come today and we're gonna work, but in the
Speaker 5: night time we're gonna be.
Speaker 4: Freeom we're gonna go.
Speaker 6: We're gonna do that because you're gonna get to do
Speaker 6: that in the in the end scene.
Speaker 4: This is when you do it.
Speaker 6: This is when you come together right now a lot
Speaker 6: more time.
Speaker 5: You had a lot more time to do it. So
Speaker 5: now you get to know the people on the offense
Speaker 5: because we spend it. You know, we separated. Now get
Speaker 5: to spend time with TWNA and Rock and the rest
Speaker 5: of the guys. And now we're finna go out and
Speaker 5: do stuff, Jill.
Speaker 3: We used to leave practices, man, and especially in my
Speaker 3: later years, and I promise you guys used to be
Speaker 3: at my house playing Bowery until time to basically go
Speaker 3: to sleep. You know, at be one o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 3: you're trying to kick you know, lett them, uh hangerson out.
Speaker 4: Hey, Hey, y'all got to go home.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: Oh no, now you're gonna go to the casino. You
Speaker 4: get to practice on time tomorrow, you know.
Speaker 3: So this is the fun time of the year where
Speaker 3: you can really start, you know, really meeting the guys
Speaker 3: and knowing who you have. But I used to just
Speaker 3: love going out there just knowing who I'm going to
Speaker 3: be able to rely on during the season, because.
Speaker 2: That starts now, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And also I will say that, you know, because I
Speaker 2: was old CBA for a year, Tanny, you were new
Speaker 2: CBA for three or four years, right, And obviously it
Speaker 2: changed pretty dramatically, and I think it's even changed more now,
Speaker 2: like this is more of like uh.
Speaker 6: Say, say stop being poltically correct. It's just say they
Speaker 6: sol I'm.
Speaker 2: Not going to say they're soft because I mean, it's
Speaker 2: just different now, it's just different. The expectations are different,
Speaker 2: Like how do you you say they're soft? Like what
Speaker 2: do you think the physic Do you think the physical
Speaker 2: stuff on the field is as important or is it
Speaker 2: all a mental?
Speaker 5: I think it is, especially on defense. Every year we
Speaker 5: watched this in the NFL the first four weeks of
Speaker 5: the season. Nobody in the league katacky, no offices, just
Speaker 5: explode up and down the field because guess what, in
Speaker 5: training camp we didn't hit. In the OTA, we didn't hit.
Speaker 5: So the first time I get to lay my past
Speaker 5: on somebody's gonna be week one. Don't think my past
Speaker 5: is gonna have any thump behind it. I played with
Speaker 5: London Fletcher. London Fletcher got not coming out of his nose.
Speaker 5: We ain't been in practice thirty minutes because he just
Speaker 5: ramming against the guards and coming back to the hold
Speaker 5: and let's do it again. So this that's what I'm
Speaker 5: used to. And now I know I'm starting to age.
Speaker 5: I'm starting to sound like my daddy. Y'all ain't made
Speaker 5: like I used to walk nine miles to school.
Speaker 4: You a liar, you.
Speaker 6: Did walk mine after school.
Speaker 4: But I understand what they're talking about now, I understand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so how do you feel about it?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm a receiver. Man, I don't want to
Speaker 4: say you don't want whatever you want, worry about all
Speaker 4: that hitting. Nothing, don't touch me at all. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna still get out there and route you up,
Speaker 4: and then at the same time I have to, you know,
Speaker 4: anticipate that hit.
Speaker 3: So I was just I felt like I was built
Speaker 3: with that, you know, I was born to get hit
Speaker 3: and get back up and say, all right, you gave
Speaker 3: me your best stuff, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So, and I think I said before That's.
Speaker 3: Why I say I don't look for a lot of
Speaker 3: stuff into guys when it comes to playing my position.
Speaker 4: I want to see your dog, because I mean, your
Speaker 4: receiver you're gonna catch.
Speaker 3: You know, you don't have to be the best route runner,
Speaker 3: but you're here for because you can get open. But
Speaker 3: I want to see can you sustain or with you know,
Speaker 3: take a couple of hitscross the middle from a London
Speaker 3: Fletcher or Ray Lewis and have a guy like Fred
Speaker 3: chirping at you in your ear and still be able
Speaker 3: to go out there and go toe to toe with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And you mentioned London Fletcher. Yep, it
Speaker 2: was birthday over the weekend, low Green. He's looking good
Speaker 2: these days anyway, So happy birthday, Fletch. But also we
Speaker 2: gotta have stories about fletch Man. Yeah you got any
Speaker 2: stories Tanning. Let's start with tenn and.
Speaker 3: Then you know what, the only thing I just remember
Speaker 3: from fletch Man how he came every day aim the
Speaker 3: word relentless.
Speaker 4: You know what.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say something about Fletch that probably you guys
Speaker 3: didn't hear. Fletch came back, We did a show together.
Speaker 3: He did my podcast a couple of years ago that
Speaker 3: I had. I think it was pre pandemic. I had
Speaker 3: the podcast and Fletch spoke and said, the one thing
Speaker 3: I liked about Tanner was I watched him prepare and
Speaker 3: get ready for practice every day, and he did the
Speaker 3: same thing, and then he wanted the feeling did the
Speaker 3: same thing. And I'm like, Fletch, I ain't know you
Speaker 3: was watching me, say I watched you all the time
Speaker 3: because you was a guy that didn't say a lot
Speaker 3: you went out and did it, and.
Speaker 4: That right there gave me.
Speaker 3: I was always I've always gave him praise and respected him,
Speaker 3: but I was kind of pleased to know that a
Speaker 3: guy who I respected on the team and looked up
Speaker 3: to was watching me and saw how I carried myself.
Speaker 3: So that's one of the stars all share.
Speaker 6: When I think about Fletch, is he just relentless.
Speaker 5: He relentless in his study habits, He relentless in his rehab.
Speaker 5: And when I first met him, and I first met him,
Speaker 5: I was like, damn you what like? He just he
Speaker 5: like better for me to hit people with. And ain't
Speaker 5: I never forgot. We was playing against the New York Giants,
Speaker 5: last game of the season. You know it get cold
Speaker 5: in New York. Brandon Jacobs goes from two eighty to
Speaker 5: three hundred by time we in December, and.
Speaker 4: He just pounding me.
Speaker 5: They just tossing the sweep, forcing me to hit him.
Speaker 5: And one time he knocked my helm and off and
Speaker 5: here comes London over there.
Speaker 4: He's like you.
Speaker 6: I was like, if we keep this up, I ain't
Speaker 6: gonna be and then London said, don't.
Speaker 4: Word, I get him for you.
Speaker 5: Two three players later they ran him down the middle
Speaker 5: and London just I didn't think len one of these
Speaker 5: dudes was gonna get up like Landa.
Speaker 4: Just he gets the dude.
Speaker 6: It feels like an eighteen wheeling cockrash.
Speaker 4: He jumps back up and say, that's for smooth. I said,
Speaker 4: you know what you deserve to be in the Hall
Speaker 4: of Fame. That's what I told you deserved, the Hall
Speaker 4: of Fame. I got one more story about London, and
Speaker 4: this is we both as on other teams.
Speaker 3: I was with the Jets my second year as a Jet,
Speaker 3: but my first year really playing, and Flesh was playing
Speaker 3: with Buffalo with the Bills. Yep, and I run a
Speaker 3: scene route, Like I said, this is my first year
Speaker 3: really getting acclimated because you know, my first year as
Speaker 3: a rookie, I was hurt.
Speaker 4: I had a serious knee injury. So I catch the
Speaker 4: scene route. I had to turn around for it. Chad
Speaker 4: pinning and through it to me. I couldn't just catch
Speaker 4: it up to see.
Speaker 3: I turned around to turn my whole bike around, catches
Speaker 3: it and I turn around and I know it was
Speaker 3: a guy outside of me, but I don't want to look.
Speaker 3: You know how they tell you not to look back,
Speaker 3: So I'm kind of like feeling my periffic saying like, okay,
Speaker 3: I know someone to the left, so let me veer
Speaker 3: to the to the middle of the field because I'm
Speaker 3: out running everybody, and I just get tripped up.
Speaker 4: In the middle of the field and I look back.
Speaker 4: It's a little.
Speaker 6: Butterball linebacker and I'm like the three. I'm like, I'm like, the.
Speaker 4: Linebacker just court me. So I went to the sideline.
Speaker 4: Moe Lewis was like, so they say he fast. That
Speaker 4: was a lineback of that court.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, so, nah, I'm going to watch the
Speaker 3: films see how he really caught me so low and
Speaker 3: behold he was in like two under.
Speaker 4: I mean to Tampa two. Tampa two.
Speaker 3: He was already going dropping to the middle of the field,
Speaker 3: but I kind of ran right into his thing. But
Speaker 3: not only does that, he was fast too. So I
Speaker 3: went through a couple of games feeling like that here
Speaker 3: I might have lost. And then I realized London flats,
Speaker 3: you know, he could run with some of the best guys.
Speaker 3: So that's that's something me and him talked about being teammates.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 3: We have to buy it, because I say, London, I
Speaker 3: ain't gonna lie was checking myself like every week I'm
Speaker 3: trying to outrun guys to make sure I still got
Speaker 3: those gears.
Speaker 2: Ye, dude. I remember the first time I came out
Speaker 2: to practice with London, so you know, London was in
Speaker 2: year thirteen, like he was, He's been around for a while,
Speaker 2: and we were on the sideline and I remember he
Speaker 2: went and he was in the middle of field and
Speaker 2: chased running back down I think it was Clinton Porters.
Speaker 2: Chased him down kind of a full tackle out of bounds,
Speaker 2: did a cartwheel, jumped right up to his feet, and
Speaker 2: then sprinted back to the huddle. And I was like,
Speaker 2: it was like day four or five of training camp,
Speaker 2: and I was like, man, he is a absolute machine.
Speaker 2: Because I felt terrible, you know, And I was like,
Speaker 2: this man's been banging heads like for a million years
Speaker 2: and he just had that he just had that thing
Speaker 2: to him, man.
Speaker 5: And I just wish he was a better salesman. I
Speaker 5: always told him that the only reacause him and Ray
Speaker 5: Lewis numbers are identify They identical. But Ray is a salesman,
Speaker 5: you understand, Like some guys say, here, look at me,
Speaker 5: and now I can show you great and some guys
Speaker 5: just say, you know what, I'm just great and I'm
Speaker 5: just gonna.
Speaker 2: Go do it. Well.
Speaker 6: I always told down South for quiet mouth doesn't get fed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean that's a great segue. Like do
Speaker 2: you think he deserves to be in the Hall Fame? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I do think he no question, But we're gonna have
Speaker 5: to sell him because he won't sell hisself.
Speaker 3: And why should you, That's my thing. I don't I
Speaker 3: don't feel like that's appropriate. If I got to tell
Speaker 3: you that I can catch passes and you don't turn
Speaker 3: the film and see that, that's.
Speaker 2: A great point.
Speaker 4: I shouldn't have to do that. And I told you
Speaker 4: that I bring it back from experience.
Speaker 3: No guy that goes out there and put it on
Speaker 3: tape should have to go out there and tell you
Speaker 3: what I put on tape.
Speaker 4: It's there, Stop playing favorites.
Speaker 2: Leave.
Speaker 4: But we may see it.
Speaker 5: But when you're seeing this campaign and go on for
Speaker 5: what fifteen years, players look like Basselli and the Risky's guy.
Speaker 5: I watched him campaign himself to the point that that
Speaker 5: Bruce Smith had to say he don't deserve to be
Speaker 5: in So I've seen this.
Speaker 3: I watched receivers when I was sitting out that year,
Speaker 3: right after my last year here in my fourteenth season.
Speaker 4: I was sitting home just like.
Speaker 3: Other receivers, and I watched what the kid name is?
Speaker 3: The guy name is from New England that called the bass.
Speaker 3: He's now Wes Welker west Walker had to go to
Speaker 3: Twitter and say I'm still.
Speaker 4: I'm on the market. I did this and did that
Speaker 4: and then he got picked up. Wow, Wes Walker pull
Speaker 4: on his film. You know what I'm saying. So a
Speaker 4: guy hit me up on Instagram like Tanner, you need
Speaker 4: to say, I wouldn't do it. That's not me.
Speaker 3: I would not go out there and beg for nothing
Speaker 3: because they always tell you to put good stuff on tape.
Speaker 4: So getting back to London, he did that.
Speaker 3: The number speaks for you know how they say numbers
Speaker 3: don't lie and everything don't You could do the numbers there.
Speaker 3: So while we have to sit here talk about this
Speaker 3: man deserve credit the same way as a guy like
Speaker 3: b Mitch, who's the second.
Speaker 4: All time and you know all you know behind Jared
Speaker 4: robson scribbles, you know what I mean, Like all Purple
Speaker 4: Jars like it don't make it.
Speaker 6: But Devin Hester will make it in before be mitched.
Speaker 3: We undersaying that, but I'm just saying, bro like London,
Speaker 3: Fletcher shouldn't have to be you should have to sit
Speaker 3: here and talk about when or why he's not in there.
Speaker 4: He needs to be in there.
Speaker 5: Guys like I love like pat Rillis played that old miss.
Speaker 5: He gonna be a guy that they throw up there.
Speaker 5: He retired early, so it's gonna be so many guys
Speaker 5: that they throw up there because this it's literally the
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame is.
Speaker 4: Turning into a salesman competition right now.
Speaker 3: It ain't about who the best, know, it's all about
Speaker 3: the who who I can get in here with a
Speaker 3: big enough name.
Speaker 4: It's all about that that can make us.
Speaker 2: Look good like you know, yeah, well I mean London,
Speaker 2: great leader, great teammate, great player. Right, So, happy monthday,
Speaker 2: Happy birthday, London.
Speaker 4: Happy seventy third line.
Speaker 2: Hopefully you're here for you and they love you and
Speaker 2: that gold jacket. Sooner rather than later, he'd be pretty awesome,
Speaker 2: seeing he definitely deserves it, all right, guys, I think
Speaker 2: that's it for the show, all right, So be sure
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