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Speaker 1: On Twitter asking you this is the Patriots Catch twenty

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Speaker 1: two podcasts with Evan Lazar and Alex Bars, Bizarre and Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it?

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Speaker 3: Joined us always by our Bara. Here is Evan Lazar

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Speaker 3: and Alex Bars.

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Speaker 4: I think that the hardest part of breaking down tape

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Speaker 4: is breaking down the run game because it's never one thing,

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Speaker 4: Like it's always a bunch of different things on one

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Speaker 4: play that.

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Speaker 2: Leads to a bad run.

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Speaker 4: It's very seldom like I can just look at this

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Speaker 4: and say this one thing, if they just fix this

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Speaker 4: one thing, then the whole thing will work right. Like

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Speaker 4: It's like that really doesn't happen a whole lot with

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Speaker 4: the run game. Well, Patriots got the run game going

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Speaker 4: just a little bit, a little bit on Sunday in

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Speaker 4: the first half. I want to discuss that, Alex, you know,

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Speaker 4: a much better game performance. And I want to talk

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Speaker 4: about the why, because we talk about the why on

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Speaker 4: this show and how we get there and all those

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Speaker 4: different types of things. And we're gonna talk Drake May

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Speaker 4: and this Titans game. We're gonna talk a little bit

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Speaker 4: of Cleveland Browns because I I do think this is

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Speaker 4: a fun game for a defensive. You know, Drake May

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Speaker 4: against the Browns defense, it's probably the best defense he's

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Speaker 4: gonna face, maybe all year on Sunday. So I don't

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Speaker 4: know if Dylan Gabriel and the Browns offense is gonna

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Speaker 4: be able to go, you know, toe to toe, so

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Speaker 4: to speak, with Drake May enough to really put some

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Speaker 4: pressure on the Patriots offense to score. But I'm interested

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Speaker 4: in all of that. I'm jumping right into it today. Sorry,

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Speaker 4: I you know, didn't even exchange any pleasantries, you know.

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Speaker 4: We I was told Alex, and it's Alex, it's Evan,

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Speaker 4: it's Alex behind the glass, Patriots catch twenty two, here

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Speaker 4: with you for the next couple of hours. And I

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Speaker 4: was told by somebody on Twitter, Uh, just now, Alex,

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Speaker 4: that we bicker too much during the show, and therefore

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Speaker 4: this person feels as though that ruins some of the

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Speaker 4: vibe of the show and the show. I couldn't disagree more.

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Speaker 4: It's a talk show there. I'll take feedback. I try

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Speaker 4: my best. Sometimes I get a little snarky with feedback.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie, but I try my best to

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Speaker 4: take feedback. But this is one piece of feedback that

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Speaker 4: is never going to go away, like we are never

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Speaker 4: going to stop bickering like siblings.

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Speaker 2: There's no show away, that's not a show.

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Speaker 4: We were texting last night and we were bickering at

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Speaker 4: each other about our athletic date that you just hadsane

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Speaker 4: what means I had an insane take? You you're telling

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Speaker 4: me that you know we don't have to get into it.

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Speaker 4: It's fine, but yes we we. This is what we do.

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Speaker 4: We do it twenty four to seven. This is just

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Speaker 4: our natural existence, this is our natural state of our friendship,

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Speaker 4: and it's that's not going away.

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Speaker 2: We just both like to argue. Both competitive.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, so that's a very good point.

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Speaker 2: You can be competitive without having been an athlete, as

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Speaker 2: you would put.

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Speaker 4: It, that's a very good point. We are both competitive

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Speaker 4: and we both like to argue, and so then we

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Speaker 4: get into these sometimes admittedly semantics arguments that we both

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Speaker 4: are just not going to move off of our stance

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Speaker 4: on it, and we do get bogged down, and I

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Speaker 4: try to move the show along when those things happen.

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Speaker 4: So I just want to have a little fun with that.

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Speaker 4: That's who we are. That's the show. But anyways, to

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Speaker 4: football and to the Patriots. So one of the big

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Speaker 4: themes that I opened last week's show with when we

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Speaker 4: were talking about the run game and the way defenses

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Speaker 4: were defending Drake May and this Patriots offense, we talked

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Speaker 4: a lot about.

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Speaker 3: The safety structures.

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Speaker 4: Right, Are they playing a lot of single high Are

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Speaker 4: they playing a lot of too high safety shells in

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Speaker 4: this game? And now I'll put this caveat on this.

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Speaker 4: This is kind of what the Titans. This is their

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Speaker 4: system is to play a lot of two high shells.

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Speaker 4: The Browns, for example, play a lot of single high safety.

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Speaker 4: So this could be just simply the opponent in a

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Speaker 4: one week thing. But in this game, the Titans came

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Speaker 4: out first drive two high safeties, They had two high safeties,

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Speaker 4: they played with lighter boxes, And this was my whole

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Speaker 4: thing with the Patriots running game was My only concern

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Speaker 4: start to adjust to how well Drake May is playing,

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Speaker 4: respect on Stefan Diggs and Kaishan Boody and Pop Douglas

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Speaker 4: and the Patriots outside receivers. Once that happened, where the

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Speaker 4: Patriots gonna be able to run the football, because when

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Speaker 4: you're running into seven to eight man boxes all the time,

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Speaker 4: you can't run against those fronts, it's not ideal. Like

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying that it's that you can never run

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Speaker 2: You're just gonna have less success. When there's more defenders

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Speaker 4: Right, especially on traditional runs. So the fact that they

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Speaker 4: Stevenson on the opening drive goes for like eight yards

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Speaker 4: that really is the chess match, Like that is the

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Speaker 4: x's and o's chess match between play callers. Because now,

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Speaker 4: the first half, Dinard Wilson, their defensive coordinator, is kind

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Speaker 4: of playing a game of chicken with Josh McDaniels, right,

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Speaker 4: Like who is going to blink first? Is Josh McDaniels

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Speaker 4: gonna start spamming pass plays into two high shells, or

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Speaker 4: In this case, it kind of happened, I would say,

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Speaker 4: But in the second quarter they started to try to

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Speaker 4: run game in the box, and Drake May in the

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Speaker 4: passing game opened it up and they started hitting throws

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Speaker 4: play offensively, it's a pick your poison league when it

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Speaker 4: comes to the scheme stuff. It's great news. Like this

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Speaker 4: is great news for the Patriots. Obviously, the way Drake

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Speaker 4: fact that they were able to go into this game

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Speaker 3: Once the Titans adjusted a little bit, that's good offense.

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Speaker 4: Like that's when you know you have a really good

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Speaker 4: So I was really encouraged by the fact that they

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Speaker 2: And I do wonder if there was an element to

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Speaker 2: And regardless of how they got it going against who

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Speaker 2: ball the Titans is the layup. Almost everybody pointed, well,

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Simmons was out most of the game. He was

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Speaker 2: ripping it, yep. And let's not forget about Devandre Sweat.

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Speaker 2: He's also a really good player. So it's not like

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Speaker 2: was probably helpful to just mentally that, like, hey, all right,

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Speaker 2: get it going, we were able to get it going

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Speaker 2: on the ground, We're able to lean on him up front,

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Speaker 2: and now you build on that going forward. It's gonna

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Speaker 2: be a lot harder this week. Brown's a number one

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Speaker 2: when you think about it for a team that is

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Speaker 2: But if they can have similar success in the in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, they were able to run the ball

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Speaker 4: in this game maccollins really stepped up and had probably

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Speaker 4: So all of those things help, you know, when you

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Speaker 4: And then that brings us to Drake May, who is

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Speaker 4: just continues to be on a heater. You know, I

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Speaker 4: But you know, as we kind of unpack the good,

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Speaker 4: have a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 2: To cut got them beating, really.

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Speaker 4: But in terms of the good with Drake May, the passer,

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Speaker 4: the downfield, just the downfield throws are just really not

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Speaker 4: only are they increasing in volume, but the level of

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Speaker 4: I think one of the things that's the most encouraging

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Speaker 4: to me from this game and just in general from

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Speaker 4: he's seeing the field and how well he's seen post

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Speaker 4: snap rotation. So a lot of times with the young quarterbacks,

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Speaker 4: your defenses will spin the dial and they'll put you know,

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Speaker 4: safety coverage post snap, or they'll vice versa, and they're

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Speaker 4: changing the pictures constantly on them, and Drake May is

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Speaker 4: just seeing coverage. He's seeing rotation extremely well right now.

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Speaker 4: He's understanding where the openings are and the various coverages

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Speaker 4: that teams are throwing at him. So when you're reading

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Speaker 4: on time, that in itself is going to make you accurate.

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Speaker 4: Like that helps a lot in terms of accuracy in

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Speaker 4: terms of you know, completion percentages. And I know he's

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Speaker 4: got all sorts of records now with that Patriots records.

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Speaker 4: So I don't really have much more to add on

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Speaker 4: the on the great stuff that he's doing because it's

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Speaker 2: Too. The word I it's I talked about this last week, right,

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Speaker 2: And I talked about this last week like that's kind

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Speaker 2: because it's really impressive, but when does it kind of

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Speaker 2: And I think we're getting there. The the for a

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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. The third I didn't check actually after Monday

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Speaker 2: the league in deep ball completion percentage at like forty percent,

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Speaker 2: like forty seven to forty percent, which is a really

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Speaker 2: good number. On throws twenty plus yards downfield forty eight

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Speaker 2: is at seventy seven percent, number one in the league.

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Speaker 2: Sam Darnold also randomly up in the seventies, but like

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Speaker 2: Drake May, has not a good passer rating, not a

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Speaker 4: Drake May is a perfect passer rating. On throws twenty

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Speaker 2: Not supposed to do that. Yeah, I actually took a

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Speaker 2: spin down, you know, down the analytics way, Evan, you'll

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Speaker 2: like that because some of those numbers to just for

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Speaker 2: not gonna dump on it.

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Speaker 3: No, I know you're not gonna dump on it.

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Speaker 2: I just so some of those numbers correct me if

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Speaker 2: but like, they weigh different throws differently to gauge overall

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Speaker 2: quarterback efficiency because you're not supposed to be as efficient

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Speaker 2: you know, throwing the ball five yards, So the deep

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Speaker 2: formula is not written for this guy doing this this well,

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Speaker 2: so that's all to say. And the I mean the

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Speaker 2: throw to mac Hollins another one. Remember when everybody was

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Speaker 2: get as much offense anymore. Try telling that to Drake Matte.

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Speaker 2: He'll put the ball right in the right in the

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Speaker 2: cover two hole. He's cracked it, he's figured it out.

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Speaker 2: So the throw to mac Collins, throw a Kasha on

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Speaker 2: he's been deep one of the most ridiculous or one

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Speaker 2: a year and a half. Here is his accuracy and

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Speaker 2: even into the summer, his short area accuracy right, and

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Speaker 2: my god, Drake May's accuracy, Like, whoa, this is what growth.

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Speaker 2: And that's not to say it's not, but a guy

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Speaker 2: short area accuracy is just dotting teams underneath, and it's

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Speaker 2: the sub headline. Yeah, that's insane to me. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So he's eleven for fourteen right now on throws over

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's like seventy seven change. Yeah, I'll find it.

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Speaker 3: It's seventy eight percent.

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Speaker 2: No, but like compared to the league.

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Speaker 4: So it's what's crazy is that some of the incompletions

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Speaker 4: he is the best deep ball thrower in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: He's number one in the league in pretty much every

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Speaker 2: So just for scale here and this is updated after

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Speaker 2: enough throws. Matthew Stafford fifth forty seven point two percent.

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Speaker 2: Good number, Yeah, good deep ball number.

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Speaker 4: Tua forty seven point four percent, but it's a good

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Speaker 4: deep ball completion number. Jalen Hurts his third forty eight

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Speaker 3: Good good thrower, good number.

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Speaker 4: Good deep ball thrower, forty eight point five. Sam Donald's

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Speaker 2: So we're jumping twenty points now, he's really good. And

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Speaker 2: thirty point six, and it kind of drops off from there.

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Speaker 2: Drake May one fifty eight point three. And if the

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Speaker 2: perfect passer rating on deep passes you're not supposed to be.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he's just and that's the pale wherever

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Speaker 4: So he's just fantastic throwing the ball deep. But in particular,

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Speaker 4: if there's one throw where you say, okay, what's like

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so he has one turnover worthy play over the

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Speaker 4: And that's hard to do because a lot of the

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: I think there are some credit in that sort of

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Speaker 4: McDaniel's slash the offensive line. Like when you're not getting

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Speaker 2: You look at he's throwing from some very clean pipe.

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Speaker 4: Right when you're throwing from clean pockets, you're just naturally

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Speaker 4: and the production from the receiver room is that when

436
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Speaker 4: you have great quarterback play, it helps right that you're

437
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,439
Speaker 4: obviously putting the ball in good positions, and you're putting

438
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 4: the ball and good with good placement down the field.

439
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 4: The receivers are going to make catches. But now they're

440
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 4: basically a top ten receiver room production wise in the NFL.

441
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 4: Stevan Diggs is on pace for ninety five catches in

442
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 4: eleven hundred yards with the Patriots. Kashawan Boody is on

443
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Speaker 4: pace for like over eight hundred and fifty yards this season,

444
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Speaker 4: So they're probably going to have to at least eight

445
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Speaker 4: hundred plus yard receivers as long as both the those

446
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Speaker 4: guys stay healthy. And then Hunter Henry is you know,

447
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 4: not far behind too, and his production is a third

448
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 4: guy here. But in terms of the receivers, you know,

449
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 4: like I mentioned earlier, Mac Collins makes a couple of

450
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Speaker 4: plays in this game, Pop Douglas has the fourth down conversion.

451
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 4: Digs and Booty continue to just do it every single week.

452
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Speaker 4: This is it's been the growth in the maduration and

453
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Speaker 4: obviously adding digs makes everything easier for everybody. But it's

454
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Speaker 4: been a complete one eighty from what we've seen the

455
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 4: last two years to this year, especially last year to

456
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 4: this year at the wide receiver position, it.

457
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Speaker 2: Really has been. And I like that they've gotten Pop

458
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 2: Douglas going a little bit here. I've said it before.

459
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Speaker 2: I think he can be a really useful part of

460
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Speaker 2: the offense. Matt Collins seems to be somebody that when

461
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 2: they do get the run game going. We saw it

462
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Speaker 2: in Miami and we saw it this week when they

463
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 2: hit some of those play action boots off, you know,

464
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 2: the successful run game. He's somebody that they really like

465
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Speaker 2: to throw to. I just think it's funny because, you know,

466
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Speaker 2: we're getting close to the trade deadline and people talk

467
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 2: about which is the Patriots trade for blah blah blah,

468
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 2: And I think there's this natural instinct. I don't blame

469
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 2: Patriots hands to this, but I think there's this natural

470
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 2: instinct after the last few years, well, they need a

471
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Speaker 2: wide receiver. They need a wide receiver. I don't know

472
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Speaker 2: that they do. I mean, long term, they need a

473
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Speaker 2: guy that can be at the top of the depth chart.

474
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Speaker 2: And I think Stefan Diggs has been fantastic, but he's

475
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Speaker 2: thirty two years old and you want to get the

476
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Speaker 2: guy that's going to come in and grow with Drake May.

477
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Speaker 2: So that's a you're not doing that at the trade deadline.

478
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Speaker 2: Right This is a pretty complete room right now. You know,

479
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 2: Kaisehan Boody's handling the exposition very well. They've it really

480
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 2: seems like now full time move digs into that Julian

481
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 2: Edelman role. He's running a little bit differently. There's some

482
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Speaker 2: deeper concepts in there, and then Mac Hollins and Pop

483
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 2: Douglas I feel like are in very specialized roles. Oh

484
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 2: and by the way, they have a top one hundred

485
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 2: pick they haven't really even used yet in Kyle Williams,

486
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 2: so there's still room to grow here. I think even

487
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 2: it's it's been really impressive, especially Digs and Booty Digs

488
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: coming off the injury, playing the way he is, booty

489
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 2: consistency that he's found in his game. I think it's

490
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 2: twelve catches in a row now have gone for first downs.

491
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Speaker 2: Just unbelievable stuff from him.

492
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's not you know, obviously Diggs has been

493
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 4: more in that volume role that Ze's receiver role, and

494
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 4: they're using him on a lot of different things that

495
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Speaker 4: are Edelman esque. Like you said, it's you can literally

496
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Speaker 4: go back and I have on Twitter a couple of

497
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Speaker 4: times to like Edelman circa twenty eighteen nineteen and showed

498
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 4: the same concept of Edelman running the route that Diggs

499
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Speaker 4: is then running on Sundays now.

500
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Speaker 3: So there's a lot of examples of that.

501
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Speaker 4: Now, Edelman wasn't isolating on the backside and catching go

502
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 4: routes for you know, eighteen yards right like that. That

503
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 4: wasn't going to be part of his game. But they

504
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 4: do have a lot of you know, Diggs elements that

505
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 4: are Eleement elements as well, or were Edelman elements. And

506
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 4: then Booty, even though it's not a high volume, is

507
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 4: just once a game he's getting behind the defense and

508
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 4: catching a bomb from Drake may So that's just enough,

509
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 4: you know, if you catch, you know, keep catching twenty

510
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 4: plus yard chunks down the field like he has the

511
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 4: last couple of weeks. The production is more than enough there.

512
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Speaker 4: It's been a fun watch to see them kind of

513
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 4: grow and I think so much of this comes from

514
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 4: Stefan Diggs, I really do on and off the field.

515
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 4: I think his confidence, his leadership, his energy, has got

516
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 4: that room believing that they can make plays, and has

517
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 4: that room at a very very good temperament as well.

518
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 4: It's a selfish position, and I think this room is unselfish.

519
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 4: They understand that the ball is going to get spread

520
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 4: around some weeks. It's going to be a big week

521
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Speaker 4: for them some weeks.

522
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Speaker 3: It's not.

523
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Speaker 2: Really.

524
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Speaker 4: The only guy that's held consistent in terms of like

525
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 4: target share is Dicks. Like everybody else is going to

526
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 4: have their peaks and valleys of games where they're getting

527
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 4: targeted more or less than others. They're doing dirty work.

528
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Speaker 4: And I mentioned Hollins with the blocking. They're doing some

529
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 4: of that stuff as well. It's been a real big

530
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Speaker 4: time growth out of that entire room. And I give

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Speaker 4: a lot of that credit to Todd Downing. I give

532
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Speaker 4: a lot of that credit to Diggs. I think Diggs

533
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 4: is really taken on in this last chapter of his career.

534
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 4: He's become a real captain like leader both in Houston

535
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Speaker 4: and here. He was the same exact guy in Houston.

536
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Speaker 4: According to a lot of you know, the Texans beat writers.

537
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 4: He was I think he was elected to captain if

538
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken for the Texans last year. So this

539
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 4: is not necessarily a new thing with Diggs, but he's

540
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 4: been phenomenal on and off the field. I want to

541
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Speaker 4: talk a little bit of defense in the good category,

542
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 4: and then we'll get to some of the bad stuff

543
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 4: as well from this game. On the good side, for

544
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 4: the defense after the first four drives, we're gonna do

545
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 4: this a lot. I feel like over the last couple

546
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 4: of weeks, at least first four drives thirteen points allowed,

547
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Speaker 4: four explosive plays, you know, plus one point three pa

548
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 4: per play. The rest of the game the drives five

549
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 4: through I think it was eight or nine zero points,

550
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 4: no explosive plays, negative point seventy nine epa per play

551
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 4: the Panthers. The Titans only had a thirty nine percent

552
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 4: success rate after the the first four drives of this game.

553
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 4: This is a trend. They are a slow starting defense,

554
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 4: they get beat by the script, then the game declares

555
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 4: or I think what's really happening is that the other

556
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 4: team kind of is running out of like the really

557
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 4: perfectly crafted plays and they're not playing offenses that have

558
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 4: this deep rollodecks or this deep library of plays every week.

559
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 4: So once Mike McCoy and Bo Hart agree got the

560
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 4: throwback play to DK out of their system, it was like,

561
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 4: well what else you got? And I think they kind

562
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 4: of looked around and the Titans in had anything else.

563
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 4: They kind of emptied the clip early on in this game,

564
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 4: they moved the ball to their credit, and the Patriots

565
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 4: have tightened up. So I have seen on film. You know,

566
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 4: they do get better as the game wears on. The

567
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 4: coverage improves as a result, the pass rush is improving.

568
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 4: The run defense is pretty steady throughout the entire game.

569
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 4: They have a good run defense. They're not giving up

570
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 4: much on the ground right from the beginning. But their

571
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 4: defense PostScript is a top ten, top ten defense in

572
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 4: the NFL. So I go back to this all the time,

573
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 4: like is this a problem, Like do we care that

574
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 4: their slow starting defense? I think the number one thing

575
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 4: is as long as they're not getting into big early

576
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 4: deficits because the offense is holding serve, then they're okay.

577
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 4: Now if they get into a game, and you know,

578
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 4: we were talking off the air a little bit about

579
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 4: this Tampa game coming up, not to look ahead but

580
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 4: if they get into a game against the Bucks and

581
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 4: the defense is given up, you know, a ton of

582
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 4: yards early on in the game, and the offense is

583
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 4: still trying to figure out Todd Bowles's defense and all

584
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 4: of a sudden you look up and it's seventeen to nothing. Right,

585
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 4: that's where it becomes a problem. But so far, and

586
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 4: maybe it's opponent driven, but so far that has not happened.

587
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 4: These slow starts really haven't burned them quite yet. Maybe

588
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 4: you could argue the Pittsburgh game it did, but outside

589
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 4: of that, it hasn't burned them. A one last stat

590
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 4: they've given up points on five of the seven opening

591
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 4: drives by the opponent. Now, they held the Titans in

592
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 4: the SATs bolt the field goals, but they're giving up

593
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 4: points at a pretty alarming rate on the opening drive.

594
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 4: So this is a defense that has a very distinct

595
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 4: split between the script and the nonscript. And I don't

596
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 4: know if I care yet we'll see it ends up

597
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 4: burning them. But their defense PostScript again was really good

598
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 4: this week.

599
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever it is, it's that first drive and then

600
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: they kind of settle in and maybe they just want

601
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: to see how the opponents can play like, credit to them,

602
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: They've made some really good adjustments. They're on both sides

603
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 2: of the ball. They're one of the best third quarter

604
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: teams in the NFL. Outside of Week one, they're outscoring

605
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: opponents thirty nine to thirteen in the third quarter. So,

606
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: you know, can they start making some of those adjustments

607
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: a little bit sooner?

608
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 6: Now?

609
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: You got to see it to adjust obviously, maybe that's

610
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: part of it, but you're right, like they're surviving it

611
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: right now. When you start facing some of these higher

612
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: powered offenses, which granted they don't see a lot of

613
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: the rest of the way, but it's good. It's gonna

614
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: be Tampa, They're gonna get Buffalo, Baltimore, of healthy Baltimore,

615
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: of healthy Cincinnati. Ish, we kind of saw things click

616
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 2: with Joe Flacco, yeah, the other night.

617
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Speaker 4: So you know, Atlanta has some wild home road splits

618
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 4: right now going on. But if you get the home

619
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Speaker 4: version of the Atlanta Falcons offense, that's a really talented group.

620
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Speaker 2: We also don't who their quarterback is gonna be. For that,

621
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Speaker 2: we don't Kirk Cousins not a bad backup, but we

622
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: don't know who their.

623
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Speaker 3: Quarterbacks right now.

624
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Speaker 4: I think they're averaging like twenty seven a game at

625
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 4: home in like ten or thirteen a game on the road,

626
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 4: like they have some crazy now they play it that

627
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 4: is a class NFC South don't team and in like

628
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 4: you know, just to unpackages. I know it's not Falcons week,

629
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Speaker 4: but the Atlanta plays in a dome, right, Like, they

630
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,959
Speaker 4: play in a very cushingy environment down in Atlanta, and

631
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 4: it seems like every single time they go outside that

632
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 4: offense falls apart.

633
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Speaker 3: So so the Patriots have back to your.

634
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Speaker 4: Point, by the way, home games twenty thirty four, twenty four,

635
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 4: the road games twenty two, zero and ten.

636
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: But the twenty two was at Minnesota, right, So that's indoors.

637
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: So it's not home road splits. I'd call it indoor

638
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: outdoor splitz.

639
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 4: It could so's it's twenty six points per game at

640
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 4: home in ten points per game right now on the

641
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 4: road for the Falcons. I know this is not Falcons

642
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 4: on catch twenty to get right next week.

643
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Speaker 2: They play Miami this week, so that'll be a really

644
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: good data point because that team is terrible and falling

645
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: apart in real time. And if they can't put it

646
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: up on a Miami team whose coach seems to actively

647
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: be trying to get himself fired, and his quarterback actively

648
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: seems to be trying to get himself benched. That would

649
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: be reallytive that they just can't figure it out on

650
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: the road.

651
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Speaker 4: So the good just to summarize, Drake May the passer,

652
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 4: excellent run game, got better, good stuff, receiver room continues

653
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 4: to click, continues to shine. The defense in the second half,

654
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 4: if you want to call it that, you know, midway

655
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 4: through the second quarter. Really, and one last thing on

656
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 4: the defensive side that I just want to mention because

657
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 4: we haven't been doing three up, three down as much.

658
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 4: Kaylevon chase On is just on a heater. Yeah, the

659
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,719
Speaker 4: last couple of weeks between New Orleans and Tennessee. I

660
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 4: have him with twelve quarterback pressures over the last two weeks,

661
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 4: two sacks this week obviously had the fumble recovery touchdown

662
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 4: as well where he gets off the block there and

663
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 4: is able to disrupt the play from cam Ward. So

664
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 4: really a good performance so far. I think, you know,

665
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 4: last couple of weeks from Kaylevon Chase On, and he's

666
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 4: having a little bit of a heater here too, So

667
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 4: I just wanted to mention that going over to the bats.

668
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 4: I'm interested to hear what you think about this, because

669
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 4: we've talked briefly about it, but not a ton. Yeah,

670
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 4: and I am definitely in the school of thought, you know,

671
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 4: just to nitpick Drake a little bit, and I want

672
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 4: to caveat this with like we're talking about them being

673
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 4: a playoff team potentially here, Yeah, so this is not

674
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 4: like this is so bad that.

675
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: This is this is not is he going to be

676
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 2: the guy talk? This is like how do we moved

677
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: on from that to like what do they need to

678
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: do to be the best team they can be?

679
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 4: Talk exactly, And I would also add to that they

680
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 4: are only going to be good if Drake May is healthy.

681
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 4: So in this game I did not love most I

682
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 4: would say not most. Like three or four of his

683
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 4: scramble decisions in this game I thought were bad decisions

684
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,959
Speaker 4: by him, you know, coming off first reads quickly, leaving

685
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 4: clean pockets. You know there's open receivers down the field.

686
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 4: A couple of times I thought in the red zone scramble,

687
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 4: he has Hunter Henry just sitting on the goal line

688
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 4: with the clear window. And if you're Drake May, like

689
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 4: you trust your six foot five tight end to just

690
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 4: box out there and make a play on the ball.

691
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: Uh.

692
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 4: He had Remondre Stevenson on the back side of a

693
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 4: concept on another scrambled where he gets tackled in bounds

694
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 4: and takes a hit. Obviously, he goes out of this

695
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 4: game for three plays with the head injury. This is

696
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 4: not We know Drake May can run, and I'm not

697
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 4: trying to put him in a box where it's only

698
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 4: played from the pocket and take away that superpower. But

699
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 4: you need to if you're Drake May, in my opinion,

700
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 4: you need to know when you need to put the

701
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 4: cape on and when you don't. And when you're playing

702
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 4: the Titans in week seven and you're blowing them out.

703
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 4: I don't need you to run right like just And

704
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 4: I get it he got hurt. It was still a

705
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 4: one score game. Technically they weren't in blowout territory yet.

706
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 4: But he needs to kind of pick his spots a

707
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 4: little bit better with this. And I know there's a

708
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 4: lot of conversations about sliding. I'm gonna give him some

709
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 4: grace on the sliding thing because I think it's so

710
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 4: much easier said than done to tell him he's.

711
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 2: Been better about giving himself up even if it's not

712
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 2: a slide.

713
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 4: You're you're asking him, you know, to make these slide decisions.

714
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 4: And it's so easy, I think, to sit here on

715
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 4: a podcast and tell him to slide. Like it's actually

716
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 4: like kind of starting to annoy me how much people

717
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 4: are talking about that, because it's everyone thinks that the

718
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 4: slide is just this like you're all to everything when

719
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 4: it comes to quarterbacks running.

720
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 2: It's just protect yourself, right, And there's a number of

721
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: ways he can do that, and he's been better about it.

722
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: At times. It got away from him a little bit

723
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: in this game and the running more too. I think

724
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 2: he just maybe got in a rhythm and you know,

725
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 2: kind of fell out of some habits. Yeah, and he'd

726
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 2: been much better about this this year. If you watch

727
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: the play where he gets pulled, So what happens. There

728
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: one thing that they teach the or not teach, but

729
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: like one thing that the concussion spotters are trained to

730
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: look for when a guy gets after getting hit in

731
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 2: the head or I think just gets up in general,

732
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: if he does the quick little headshake, yeah, which you

733
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: see Drake do there, Like that is they're really looking

734
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 2: for that. That's been kind of shown to be a

735
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: potential symptom of a concussion, and they're gonna come get you.

736
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: Now in that instance, I think the reason Drake does it,

737
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 2: if you go back and look, his chin strap gets

738
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: pulled up to his nose and I think he's trying

739
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: to shake his helmet back down. Yeah, but the spotter doesn't.

740
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: In real time, the spotter sees you shake your head,

741
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: he's gonna come get you. So I don't think they

742
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 2: were wrong for pulling him hopefully, like just I think

743
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: in maybe a good wake up call for Drake because

744
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: if you go back and watch, and I posted both

745
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 2: these plays on Twitter side by side, if you go

746
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: back and watch his next scramble, which is later that

747
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 2: quarter after he comes back in the game, I think

748
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 2: it was the next drive. It was next drive because

749
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: they scored like right away. Once he came back in

750
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: the game. He gets it's this. It's a very similar

751
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 2: tackle where he gets kind of caught from behind and

752
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 2: starts to get pulled down. And I don't know exactly

753
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: what he's doing, but just looking at it, there seems

754
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: to be a much more concerted effort on his part.

755
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: So the on the one where he hits his head

756
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 2: he's fighting the tackle and he's trying to use his

757
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: momentum to push forward and get the extra yard or two,

758
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: which you teach running backs to do. You don't need

759
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: your quarterback doing it, but most ball carriers that's what

760
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: you do, right. You want to win the tackle. And

761
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 2: he does that. On the first one, he kind of

762
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 2: fights the tackle. It results in him kind of whipping

763
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: his head back. The second one he makes a much

764
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: more concerted effort instead of fighting for the extra yard

765
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: or two to keep his shoulders up. Because when you

766
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: keep your shoulders up and you hit the ground with

767
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 2: the lower your back instead of the upper your back, well,

768
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: now your head's not going to snap back and hit

769
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: the turf. And the price of it is you maybe

770
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: lose a yard or two because you're not fighting the tackle.

771
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 2: I don't mind. You know, it's not the fourth quarter

772
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: of the Super Bowl and you gotta have it. That

773
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: might be a different, you know, different conversation, but in

774
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: this in this setting, yeah, keep your head up, don't

775
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: fight the tackle as much. Tom Brady turned this into

776
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 2: an R four late in his career, and he wasn't

777
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 2: so much when he was scrambling, but even in the pocket,

778
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: knowing one just avoiding getting hit, and two when he

779
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 2: got hit, learning how to fall, how to roll with

780
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 2: the contact, all of that. So he fell in the

781
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 2: way that he wanted to fall. So is his throwing

782
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: arm wasn't at risk, his head wasn't a risk hitting

783
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: the ground anything like that. It's just one example, but

784
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 2: you know it's one that I look at, and you know,

785
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: if I'm in the room, I'm pointing at like all right,

786
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: like that's it, all right? He learned, like he he

787
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 2: fixed it the next time out. So I think running

788
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 2: a little less overall seven scramble is a bit much,

789
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: especially a game like that. But when he's gonna run,

790
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 2: knowing how to protect himself. And again it's not always sliding,

791
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: it's getting out of bounds or giving yourself up or

792
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: even when you get hit, knowing how to roll with

793
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: the hit, so you're not putting certain parts of your

794
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: product body in arms way. It's football, it's physically you're

795
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: gonna get knocked around a little bit. But again, if

796
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 2: you land a little weird on your non throwing shoulder

797
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: and it protects your head and it costs you a

798
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 2: yard or two, you take that trade off.

799
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 3: He's gonna get hurt playing this.

800
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 4: If he plays like he did on Sunday again, and

801
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 4: he keeps doing that again and again, he's gonna get hurt.

802
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 4: And they cannot afford for him to get hurt. So like,

803
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 4: this is not I understand. And I've I've in the.

804
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 2: Past, well he wanted a quarterback like Josh Allen Evan

805
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 2: welcome to the Josh Allen experience.

806
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 4: But and I've said in the past that I'm not

807
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 4: I don't want to take away his superpower and I don't,

808
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 4: but there's a difference between him extending plays in him scrambling.

809
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 4: So I it just he can't play like this, And

810
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 4: I think the most important thing is is that he

811
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 4: doesn't have to play like this. And if I'm if,

812
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 4: I'm Josh McDaniels and I'm Mike Rabel, My what I'm

813
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 4: telling him after this game isn't necessarily don't run, it's

814
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 4: you don't need to run in this spot, right like

815
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 4: when we play Buffalo at the end of the year.

816
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 4: And let's just say, because we're dreaming right now, the

817
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 4: game is for the division and it's then it's you know,

818
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 4: all bets are off, Just do what you gotta do

819
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 4: to win the game. But against these types of teams

820
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 4: in the middle of the football season, when there's not

821
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 4: the stakes are not quite as high that he just

822
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 4: has to learn when is it it's important enough to

823
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 4: try to take off, try to break tackles, to your point.

824
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: So that's what I think. It's not like, yeah, there's

825
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: definitely times where he can stay a passer before becoming

826
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: a runner. But I think the bigger point is even

827
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 2: went because he's gonna run, there are gonna be times

828
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: he's gonna run. Being better at protecting himself, which he

829
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: had been Like this game felt like a little bit

830
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 2: of a step back in that regard being better at

831
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: protecting yourself well you're running, uh, and how to take

832
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 2: hits and things like that I think is important.

833
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I keep going back to the fact

834
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 4: that I just feel like he didn't have to scramble

835
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 4: seven times against the Tennessee Titans. And I know that

836
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 4: might be disrespectful to the Titans, but that's the spot

837
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 4: that we're in with them. And you know, lastly, just

838
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 4: on a quarterback level, like I would just and I'm

839
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 4: not saying that he's like a one read and go

840
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 4: kind of guy. I'm not trying to put that out there,

841
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 4: but he is right now maybe being a little bit

842
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 4: more front side backside of concepts, Like he's not necessarily

843
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 4: progressing full field through the concept. So I see on

844
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,959
Speaker 4: tape a couple of times a game where he's one

845
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 4: to two on the front side or whichever side he

846
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 4: decides to read the field on. But he's not going

847
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 4: all the way from right to left or left to right.

848
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 4: So if he stays in the pocket a little bit

849
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 4: longer and we can come off the front side of

850
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 4: a concept and get to the backside, that's when, you know,

851
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 4: I think that he can kind of eliminate a few

852
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 4: of these scrambles per game and maybe keep himself a

853
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 4: little bit healthier, you know, self preservation. So that's all

854
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 4: it is. It's self preservation. You just want to see

855
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 4: him on the field. You hate seeing him have to

856
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 4: get pulled from the game for any reason other than it's.

857
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: Garbage time and they're up by three touchdowns.

858
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 3: So that was just that the defense thing.

859
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 4: Actually, let's stick with the offense and then we'll talk

860
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 4: about will unpack the defense. Yeah, offensively, we talked a

861
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 4: little bit about this last week, mostly with the run

862
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 4: game this week. It was more pass protection than it

863
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 4: was run game. But there are some cracks in the

864
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 4: foundation that are starting to show a little bit with

865
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 4: this offensive line, and it's mainly inside. I would say,

866
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 4: you know, Campbell's gonna have one or two rookie moments

867
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 4: a game. He had one blitz that came off his

868
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 4: edge that resulted in a quarterback hit. I would much

869
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 4: rather be talking about Campbell making mental errors in physical errors,

870
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 4: like he'll learn from those ones. I'm not too worried

871
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 4: about Campbell. Moses was really good in this game. I

872
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 4: thought he was the best lineman, especially maybe one of

873
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 4: his best games.

874
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 3: Of the year.

875
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 4: On Wenu still has some reps that for an eighteen

876
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 4: million dollar guard, I wish that he was a little

877
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 4: bit better, but has been solid on the most part.

878
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 4: Bradbury and Jared Wilson right now are having a tough time,

879
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 4: and I talked about Jared Wilson last week before this week.

880
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 4: This has been brewing for a while now. I don't

881
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 4: know if they'll make any changes personnel wise. I know

882
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 4: a lot of people want to see Bradberry to the bench,

883
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 4: Wilson to center, Ben Brown to left guard, I'm not

884
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 4: messing with the center quarterback exchange. Right now, Drake May

885
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 4: is dealing. He's playing like an MVP candidate. One of

886
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 4: the worst things that you could do is start pulling

887
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 4: Janga pieces out of the offensive line. Because now we've

888
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 4: talked about this in the past, Alex, you're changing two positions, right,

889
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 4: It's not one position you're changing, You're changing two positions.

890
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 4: That center quarterback exchange. The communication between those two guys

891
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 4: is so important. I think Bradberry's veteran experience is enough

892
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 4: to keep him in the lineup right now, Jared Wilson

893
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 4: for Ben Brown to me is starting to become a

894
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 4: little bit of a conversation. And this is where Mike

895
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,479
Speaker 4: Rabel has a really tough job because they are five

896
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 4: and two. They are pushing to win the division, but

897
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 4: they also have a bigger picture of a long term

898
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 4: view here where if you develop Jared Wilson and you

899
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 4: stick with him and he gets better, does that long

900
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 4: term pay dividends for your offensive line. So it's hard.

901
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 4: It's a hard spot to be in. But pass protection wise,

902
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 4: I know that their numbers from an analytics standpoint are

903
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 4: really really good. I have not felt like that has

904
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 4: lined up with the eye test all the time with

905
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 4: some of these numbers, and I've kind of come to

906
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 4: the conclusion that I think a big reason why is

907
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 4: because of the scheme and because of Drake May. Like

908
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 4: Drake May is still performing at such a high level

909
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 4: under pressure, and Josh McDaniels is doing a lot of

910
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 4: things to help the offensive line that it's covering up

911
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 4: some of the week. And that's great, like that's what

912
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 4: good quarterbacks and good play callers do, right, But we're

913
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 4: starting to see a little bit more bumps in the

914
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 4: road here for this offensive line. Where do you stand

915
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 4: with that group? Where do you stand with Jared Wilson.

916
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 4: I had him with two and a half sacks allowed

917
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 4: in this game, and it was coming off a game

918
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 4: last week that I thought was a little bit subpar

919
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 4: as well.

920
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I do think you're right. It's a

921
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: tough spot because they're five and two, they're rolling, and

922
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: there's also an element of, you know, these five guys

923
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 2: have worked together for most of the season. Ben Brown

924
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: did a good job when he was filling in, but

925
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 2: these five guys have been working together. They have chemistry,

926
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 2: and you know, does it become a house of cards

927
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 2: if you start pulling pieces here and there. But it's

928
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 2: you can't have your quarterback taking blindside shots either, which

929
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: you know whether you want to put that on on

930
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: on Wilson or Campbell. The reality is the two rookies

931
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 2: missed the line game. Yeah, and that's what we talked

932
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 2: about the beginning of the year. Having two rookies on

933
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: that left side. You'd hope Ben Brown, with a little

934
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: more experience, would help with that. So I still feel

935
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 2: like overall it's a representative group. We knew it was

936
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 2: going to be more than one year, and putting it

937
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: back together to come from where they were last year

938
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: to now is tremendous strides. But kind of like we

939
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 2: just did with Drake May, like we didn't go through

940
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: all that nitpicking Drake May because whether or not he's

941
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 2: going to be the guy we're talking about, how can

942
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 2: this team be the best version of themselves they can

943
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 2: be to make a run. What's you know, what's the

944
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: best version of this team to make a run. The

945
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 2: other thing is if you do pull Jared Wilson, I've

946
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: said all along, I think his long term position is

947
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: center agreed. You can have him start working on that now.

948
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: So maybe you know, you don't want to make the

949
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: change with Garrett Bradbury now, but if you need to

950
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 2: get to that point he started twenty twenty six or

951
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: it's twenty six, like he kind of hits the ground running,

952
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: So you know, I go back and forth on it.

953
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to see what Cleveland does this week

954
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: because Miles Garrett can line up wherever, and I'm sure

955
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 2: they're gonna run him plenty against Will Campbell, but he

956
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: can line up inside too, And do they look at

957
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 2: a rookie guard who's playing out of position, who's struggling

958
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 2: a little bit and say we want to hunt that matchup.

959
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 4: So I think that's the biggest thing to me when

960
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 4: I watch Jared Wilson is you know, it's much easier

961
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 4: to play center as a little bit more undersize, like

962
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 4: we saw, you know, with David Andrews for a long time.

963
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,479
Speaker 4: But David Andrews not a big guy as in terms

964
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 4: of relatively speaking for offensive lineman. Garrett Bradberry is not

965
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 4: a big guy, you know, relatively speaking, But at center

966
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 4: you can get away with being a little bit undersized.

967
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 4: Once you move out to guard, though, being a little

968
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 4: bit undersized can can come back to Hanji a little

969
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 4: bit more. And with Jared Wilson, I just see, you know,

970
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 4: the power, the play strength, the ability to anchor at

971
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 4: the point of attack. Like those types of things I

972
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 4: think are the biggest things that are giving him problems

973
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 4: right now. The other thing that gives him a little

974
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 4: bit of problem is he loves to two hand punch,

975
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 4: which when you get two hand punchers, the like the

976
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 4: combat that as a pass rusher, you usually see a

977
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 4: lot of swipes right hand swipes, so like he's gonna

978
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 4: fire his hands and then the tackle's gonna swipe his

979
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 4: hands away and then they are just blowbys because he

980
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 4: gets over extended and then now he's off balance and

981
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 4: he's coming forward. So he saw that on one of

982
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 4: the sacks that he gave up in this game to

983
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 4: Defandre Sweat. You know, he just comes out and he's

984
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 4: in a play action set and he just kind of

985
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 4: comes out of the blocks and tries to throw two

986
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 4: hands into his chest. Sweat just swats the hands out

987
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 4: of the way, and Jared Wilson is now he's you know,

988
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 4: leaning forward, he's off balance and sweats by him. So

989
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 4: you're seeing a couple of those a game as well.

990
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 4: I'm not ready.

991
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 2: I don't know.

992
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 4: I go back and forth on it too, because I

993
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 4: think there is an element of Ben Brown that could

994
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 4: be a little bit more steady at that position, and

995
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 4: I like his size at that position, but I also

996
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 4: see the long term of it. I just wonder if

997
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 4: the long term of it even matters, because if it's

998
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 4: not on the left side, like if he's not going

999
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 4: to be next to Campbell for the next ten years,

1000
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 4: then like what like I get, you know, we're still

1001
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 4: getting reps in games, and that's valuable, But if he's

1002
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 4: going to be at center, it's not like he's building

1003
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 4: all this chemistry with Will Campbell for the next five

1004
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 4: to ten years, right, you know, he's not going to

1005
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 4: be in that spot. So it's something to talk about,

1006
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 4: something to think about. Let's move over to the defense.

1007
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 4: Let's talk a little bit about the script again. But

1008
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 4: I do want to talk even more about the man

1009
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 4: coverage stuff with the script. I do think there's an

1010
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 4: element of them playing some more vanilla coverage early in games,

1011
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 4: some based defense or their kind of base install defense.

1012
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 4: So I do think there's some cat and mouse going on,

1013
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 4: like let's just let the fancy offensive coordinator on the

1014
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 4: other side, he's got to all these plays that he's

1015
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 4: practiced all week. Let's just let him get it out

1016
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 4: of his system, and then we'll see what happens right right,

1017
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 4: and then we'll start to draw it up and we'll

1018
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 4: start to dial it up. There is that element of

1019
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 4: it with the man coverage stuff. I think this is

1020
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 4: actually more important in a lot of ways in the script.

1021
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 4: The Patriots right now are dead last in the league

1022
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 4: and EPA and man coverage. That should not be the case.

1023
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 4: They have too many good corners for them to be

1024
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 4: near the bottom of the league in man coverage, especially

1025
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 4: corners that excel in man, like in Zales and Davis

1026
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 4: and Marcus Jones. So when I watch it, and this

1027
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 4: is just my opinion, I think that this staff needs

1028
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 4: to adjust how they are playing man coverage. So they're

1029
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,919
Speaker 4: playing a lot of man free, which is six man

1030
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 4: coverage is the single high safety in the deep middle

1031
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 4: of the field.

1032
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 3: There's no second level help.

1033
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 4: So what they're getting beat on, in my opinion, is

1034
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 4: a lot of like inbreaking routes into the middle of

1035
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 4: the field slants. You know, we saw Christian Gonzalez get

1036
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 4: beat by Van Jefferson on like a five step slant.

1037
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 4: We saw Carlton Davis the week before get beat on

1038
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 4: a slant by Rashid Shahead in a similar coverage, similar spot.

1039
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 4: We saw the deep post to to DK on Marcus Jones. Like,

1040
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 4: that's another one of those where he's got to think

1041
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 4: about so much because he's only has help in the

1042
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 4: middle of the field, So he's thinking is he breaking in?

1043
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 3: Is he breaking out? Like is he running by me?

1044
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 4: Like there's a lot of different things, And when you

1045
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 4: know the Patriots are in their heyday with man coverage,

1046
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 4: you know, eighteen twenty nineteen, I learned a lot about

1047
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 4: not only scheme, but how to play man coverage from

1048
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 4: a corner perspective from Stefan Gilmore, And he talked a

1049
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 4: lot about being able to eliminate routes based off of

1050
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 4: where his help was, So he knew going into it

1051
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 4: that like, there's only three kind of routes that this

1052
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 4: receiver is going to run from this alignment, and I

1053
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 4: have help on the post, and then I have a

1054
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 4: robber in the middle of the field as well, So

1055
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 4: I only really need to think about one route, right

1056
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 4: and that makes it so much easier from a simplification

1057
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 4: standpoint to play man to man, and this staff to me,

1058
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 4: you know, they played a lot of zone in Tennessee.

1059
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 3: Maybe that's part of it. Maybe they're really more.

1060
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 4: Of a zone staff and haven't really been well schooled

1061
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 4: on the man to man coverage stuff. The Patriots in

1062
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 4: their prime and Manton man coverage are playing a lot

1063
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 4: of robber They're cutting crossing routes. They're putting, you know,

1064
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 4: safety help at both the second and third level of

1065
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 4: the defense, and they were just kind of loading up

1066
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 4: with safety help and get those corners as much help

1067
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 4: as they possibly could. There's too much space in the

1068
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 4: middle of the field. If Christian Gonzalez is getting bet

1069
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 4: on it, then it's too much space. Like that's a

1070
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 4: scheme problem, it's not a personnel problem. There's too much

1071
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 4: space in the middle of the field. I would take

1072
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 4: the rusher out of the cut you know, it's a

1073
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 4: trade off. Right now, they're putting the extra guy in

1074
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 4: the pass rush. So if you're gonna take the guy

1075
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 4: out of the pass rush and put him in coverage,

1076
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 4: now you're only gonna have four man pass rush instead

1077
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 4: of five man pass rush. That's the you know, the

1078
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 4: trade off or the decision they have to make.

1079
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Speaker 3: But I would do it.

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00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 4: I would play a lot more you know, robber coverage,

1081
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 4: a lot more cut coverage where there's a second level

1082
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 4: help defender and trying to eliminate some of these rats

1083
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 4: from the tree. For these corners, they should not be

1084
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 4: a bad man coverage defense. And until that gets fixed,

1085
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 4: I don't think their pass defense is gonna get fixed.

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00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 2: Now.

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00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,479
Speaker 4: You could also say that they could shadow a little

1088
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 4: bit more. I think that's true, but when you're playing

1089
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 4: against a team like the Titans, like who is Gonzal

1090
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 4: supposed to travel with? When Calvin Ridley is not playing right?

1091
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 4: So it's not I don't think that they've done it

1092
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 4: because they haven't played a guy to that caliber that

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00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 4: is worthy of traveling with. So maybe that changes over

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00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 4: the next couple of weeks, Like maybe he travels with

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00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 4: Jerry Judy on Sunday, who is a decent player. Maybe

1096
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 4: he travels with Drake London the following week. Mike Evans

1097
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 4: is now hurt. Maybe it's a Mecca Abuka, you know,

1098
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 4: gets the travel treatment the following week. So that's another

1099
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 4: way that you can kind of simplify things from man

1100
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 4: coverage is just say, hey, just study this, like this

1101
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 4: is the one that you got this guy, just study him.

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00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 4: That's another way to simplify it. So I think they

1103
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 4: need to simplify the responsibilities of the corners to get

1104
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 4: them to be better at man coverage, both with help

1105
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 4: and with assignments. And then they will because this is

1106
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 4: not sustainable, Like they shouldn't be this bad at man coverage.

1107
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 4: And I put a lot of that on the scheme

1108
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 4: and on the coaching to improve how they're drawing it up.

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00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 3: Is there anything else on the defensive side that you

1110
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 3: want to know?

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00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 2: Those are all good points. The other thing is they

1112
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 2: continue and this is a much more simplistic view, So

1113
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 2: I apologize, but they continue to get beat by the

1114
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 2: speed guys. They continue to have trouble with straight line speed.

1115
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 2: And you know Tremary DK gets some They're gonna face

1116
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 2: some of these guys wound my blanket on the Falcons,

1117
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 2: like speed slot.

1118
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 3: Darnell Mooney.

1119
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 2: Darn it, they're gonna get Darnell Mooney. You know Tampa

1120
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 2: has some speed. Obviously they'll get Buffalo again. They'll get

1121
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 2: Khalil Shakira again. They got to be better about that.

1122
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 2: I know there's been some rumblings about, like them maybe

1123
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 2: looking for a corner at the trade deadline. I don't think,

1124
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 2: you know, I think.

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00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 3: I don't think it's personnel. I really don't.

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00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 2: I don't, And I think people have been a little

1127
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 2: too hard on Carlton Davis. He did have one really

1128
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 2: bad rap in that game where he fell over, but

1129
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 2: he's been solid. They don't need a guy that's gonna

1130
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:47,959
Speaker 2: come in and reset the depth chart. I know people

1131
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 2: pointed out Steph Gilmore. Look, I'm not gonna say to

1132
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 2: Steph know, to Steph Gilmore on the football team, because

1133
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 2: I think he's such an elite mental player. Just getting

1134
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 2: him in a room with some of these younger corners

1135
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 2: alone would be worth a roster spot, whatever his role is.

1136
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 2: But going to find a matchup speed guy that can

1137
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 2: maybe help alongside.

1138
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 3: Like isn't that supposed to be Marcus Jones?

1139
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 4: And like again, like I and I know that I

1140
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 4: tend to err on this side of the street most

1141
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 4: of the time, but I just remember watching this defense

1142
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 4: and when Bill Belichick really pivoted to man to man coverage,

1143
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 4: like the way that they supported their you know man coverage,

1144
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 4: the primary man coverage defender. They call it divider leverage.

1145
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 4: It's I if I had a whiteboard, I'd probably be

1146
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 4: able to dro it up. I don't want to confuse people,

1147
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 4: but just the way that they use leverage and the

1148
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 4: way that they played to help. It's man to man,

1149
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 4: but it's like it's man to man with support, And

1150
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 4: right now it feels like when they play man, they're

1151
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 4: truly putting these corners on islands like they are. They

1152
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 4: are running, you know, at all three levels on an

1153
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 4: island without a much support in the middle of the field.

1154
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 4: I just don't think that that is the right way

1155
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 4: to do it. I don't think it's like a good

1156
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 4: way to do it. So I get it they're probably

1157
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 4: a little bit concerned about their four man pass rush

1158
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 4: right now. But the trade off when you take guys

1159
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 4: out of the rush and put them in coverage is

1160
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 4: in theory, the quarterback should have to hold the football

1161
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 4: longer because there's not going to be as many open

1162
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 4: windows down the field for him to throw the ball.

1163
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,760
Speaker 4: So if you can't trust that your four man rush

1164
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 4: is going to get home in like three seconds, then

1165
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 4: that's a big problem. Then they should be in the

1166
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 4: market for pass rushers, and maybe they already are. But like,

1167
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 4: if that's truly how you feel about Chazon, Landry Barmore

1168
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 4: and Williams, that they can't get home in three seconds,

1169
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 4: then that's problematic. I don't think that's the case. I

1170
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 4: think those guys are good enough that if you get

1171
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,240
Speaker 4: these quarterbacks to hold the ball for a little bit longer,

1172
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 4: that they're going to be able to get home. But

1173
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 4: right now they're just they're sending these blitzes at these quarterbacks.

1174
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 4: They're playing a lot of man pressure and the man

1175
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 4: blitzer are not working. So like you got to get

1176
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 4: the guys out of the pass rush and you've got

1177
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,439
Speaker 4: to get those guys back in the secondary. I don't

1178
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 4: think it's personnel driven. And I and I'm I'm really

1179
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:08,240
Speaker 4: surprised when I hear these rumors circulating and you're not wrong,

1180
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 4: like they're all they are circulating. Well, I mean some

1181
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 4: depth too, yeah, but they could use some depth anywhere

1182
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 4: on the roster, so that includes corner. But like I

1183
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 4: just I'm surprised that they would put actual assets into

1184
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 4: adding another corner, Like, who are you taking off the

1185
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 4: field that corner? If everybody's Well, that's the thing I

1186
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 4: think to be better prepared if they lose somebody, you know, upgrade.

1187
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 4: Maybe Alex Austin is the third corner, Well he's the

1188
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 4: fourth corner or the third boundary corner. Okay, I guess

1189
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 4: and in theory or like who really is the backup

1190
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 4: slot corner to Marcus Jones, Like I kind of interpreted

1191
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 4: that as like it just like any other position, they

1192
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 4: could use the body. Just because it's a depthney doesn't

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00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 4: mean they're not looking for We do have a little

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00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,760
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Speaker 2: The little bit of breaking news, The NFL has announced

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Speaker 2: they are moving the Pro Bowl to Super Bowl Week.

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Speaker 4: Evense so the Pro Bowl is still flag football, Well,

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Speaker 4: it's the Pro Bowl they'll do.

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Speaker 3: They're doing the Pro Bowls teams.

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Speaker 2: We'll start at six thirty and then the flag football

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Speaker 4: did it a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 2: I guess it was last year. But the.

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Speaker 2: In the day. Brady did it one year.

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Speaker 4: Team, right, well, we have the All Pro Team, but

1291
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 4: you could do the same way. Yeah, until it's started

1292
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 4: to not agents start to take it out of contracts

1293
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 4: in terms of incentive packages and stuff like that. You

1294
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 4: have to obviously have it in there for the time being,

1295
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 4: but eventually once that gets phased out. I just have

1296
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 4: no use for the Pro Bowl, and I don't think

1297
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 4: players have used for it either. Yeah.

1298
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 2: I think some sort of skills event thing whatever and

1299
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 2: turning it in maybe the week of the Super Bowl.

1300
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 2: It because because there's nothing really on Tuesday night, team

1301
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 2: availability doesn't start till Wednesday.

1302
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 3: Well, we have opening nights Monday.

1303
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 2: It's usually Monday, right, So Tuesday's kind of a dead spot. Now,

1304
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 2: some people the event might want a dead spot, but

1305
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 2: you know, it gives you something to fill out the week.

1306
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 2: That's Saturday, there's usually you know, you're late in college

1307
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 2: basketball season, you have some big college basketball games. NBA

1308
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 2: and NHL are going. I think the no, the NHL

1309
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 2: All Star Game is usually the next week, but I

1310
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 2: think they might have the Olympics this year. Right, is

1311
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 2: that when the Olympics.

1312
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 3: Is The Olympics are in February, right, because in.

1313
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 2: Milana February sixth, So yeah, so now it's not competing

1314
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 2: with olymp the Olympics, right, It probably takes sense it

1315
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 2: just it just goes yes, it is the Winter Olympics.

1316
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 2: It goes back to my point that I think that

1317
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 2: whole schedule is gonna get reworked because look, look they're

1318
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 2: gonna go to eighteen games at some point, and when

1319
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 2: they go to eighteen games, they're probably gonna go to

1320
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 2: twenty weeks, so they're gonna be two bay it.

1321
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 4: They're gonna want if we can get the Super Bowl

1322
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 4: to President's Day weekend. It becomes as I think everybody's

1323
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 4: dream scenario.

1324
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 2: So I also wonder if they probably not, but I

1325
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 2: wonder if they go back to starting on Labor Day.

1326
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 2: The thing that I would like to see is adding

1327
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 2: a buy once you go to So I think once

1328
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 2: they go to eighteen games, they're gonna go to eight

1329
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 2: teams in the playoffs per conference, and there's gonna be

1330
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 2: no more by weeks, which I'm not in support of

1331
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 2: any of this. I think six teams was the perfect

1332
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 2: number and I loved that format, the two buys and

1333
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 2: winning your division meant something, and you're standing in the

1334
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,959
Speaker 2: conference meant something all that and they're taking I don't

1335
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 2: like the new format, but like, realistically, seven teams makes

1336
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 2: no sense. One bye makes no sense. They're gonna go

1337
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 2: to eight teams to add the extra two playoff games,

1338
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 2: will probably get playoff Thursday night football or something. I

1339
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 2: if they do that, I would like to see them

1340
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 2: add a bye week before the playoffs. So you play

1341
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 2: eight week eighteen, then you have a bye.

1342
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 3: Oh my god, this season's not gonna end till March.

1343
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 2: No, because it would well, you're gonna get rid of

1344
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 2: a preseason game, okay, in this so starting earlier, so

1345
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 2: you're yeah, I don't like starting.

1346
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 3: The labor Day weekend. I like my Labor Day weekend.

1347
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 2: I like it too.

1348
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 3: But even if that don't, it's a nice.

1349
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 4: Little I mean, I guess we would probably get the

1350
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 4: weekend before now, like if it's not Labor Day weekend,

1351
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 4: but you need that one weekend where like it's that

1352
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 4: one calm before the storm weekend.

1353
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1354
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I hear what you're saying. With

1355
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 3: the playoffs going.

1356
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 4: I I hate the idea of expanding the playoffs more

1357
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 4: because of I think it should be hard to make

1358
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 4: the playoffs and the I.

1359
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 2: Think it should be two again, six is the perfect number, Yeah,

1360
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 2: but I think eight is a better number than seven.

1361
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 3: I agree that makes sense. No, I agree with you there.

1362
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,959
Speaker 4: So I think it's eight with two teams getting the bye,

1363
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 4: and then you have like a you know, first round

1364
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 4: of the play six with two teams getting by. Well

1365
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 4: that's the that's the dream is You're not gonna have

1366
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 4: a buye with eight. You have eight with two teams

1367
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 4: getting a bye, and then they played the team's played

1368
01:05:59,480 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 4: in six.

1369
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that doesn't make sense because then oh so

1370
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 2: then two of the teams have played round one play

1371
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 2: each other again? What or how you have eight with

1372
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 2: the bye? So three plays?

1373
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 3: Are we just bad at math?

1374
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 2: Right now? Yeah? Three plays eight? Four play seven? Three

1375
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 2: games five plays six?

1376
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, then you'd have five coming out of it, right

1377
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 4: so that way, Yeah, I don't like it.

1378
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 8: Then?

1379
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you still are.

1380
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 3: We like just being done?

1381
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 2: Plays eight? Yeah?

1382
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 11: Four?

1383
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 2: There was going to be that. I would leave you

1384
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 2: with five teams. You can't do that. Yeah, So eight

1385
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 2: is no boys, But i'd like to see them add

1386
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 2: the bye before the playoffs if they did, if and

1387
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 2: when they do that.

1388
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 4: Wow, that was that was That was that ethic of college, right.

1389
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 4: No one said there would be math or not.

1390
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 2: We're nerves and you wonder why I don't like the math, okay,

1391
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 2: because I have to do things like I'm good.

1392
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 4: I'm good when they do the math for me. I

1393
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 4: just don't. I'm not good at doing the math.

1394
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 2: But if they do the math for you, how do

1395
01:06:58,080 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 2: you know they did it right? How do you know

1396
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 2: whether or not you can trusted.

1397
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 4: I'm not like this, just like you have trust issues.

1398
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 4: If that's serious issue, can we get to the phone?

1399
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 2: Hang on?

1400
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 3: So wait, so if you have was that that was hilarious?

1401
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 2: By the way, If you if you have a buye

1402
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 2: before the playoffs, so that's plus one week, and then

1403
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 2: you're adding two to the season. That's twenty so you're

1404
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 2: now plus three. You get rid of a preseason game

1405
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 2: that's minus one week. Now you're plus two. You're trying

1406
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 2: to move it back anyway to get to Labor Day weekend.

1407
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 2: Now it's so you would need one more week. You

1408
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 2: would have to start to do twenty games, two by

1409
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 2: weeks playoff, by Super Bowl, by President's Day weekend. You

1410
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 2: would need to start Labor Day.

1411
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 3: We are literally going.

1412
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 2: And now you're taking on college football.

1413
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 3: Now we're going to play in March. Nobody cares about that.

1414
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 4: Luke is in. What's up, Luke? Luke, you're there? That

1415
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 4: Fluke on hold for a while? All right, call back

1416
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 4: in if yeah, we got our brains and pretzels.

1417
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:56,959
Speaker 2: There.

1418
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 3: Mike is in Puerto Rico. It's up, Mike.

1419
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 6: Hey Ale, Hey Evan, how you doing today?

1420
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 2: Good?

1421
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 6: Evan. I know you appreciate the Bill Simmons and the

1422
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 6: Ringer podcast, and they have a bit there that's called

1423
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 6: like half baked ideas. I was wondering if I could

1424
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 6: toss up I was wondering if I could toss out

1425
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 6: some half fried ideas to y'all.

1426
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 4: Yes, sure, okay.

1427
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 6: So, first of all, given that Drake is not quite

1428
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 6: one hundred percent protecting himself when he's going out there

1429
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 6: and doing his runs on scrambling and stuff like that,

1430
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 6: how would you feel about the team mandating him to

1431
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 6: wait our guardian.

1432
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 2: Caps not necessary? No, protect yourself. Those things are heavy.

1433
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:46,639
Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying, but I'm good.

1434
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 6: You're protecting an asset, additional insurance. You don't think, you know,

1435
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 6: even if it helps him ten percent, you don't think

1436
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:56,719
Speaker 6: it's worth it, given that he might be the franchise.

1437
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 4: I think that it's football, and he's going to get

1438
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 4: hurt and he needs to learn how to protect himself.

1439
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 2: If he wants to wear a guardian cap, I wouldn't

1440
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 2: impose it. But also it's extra weight on your head.

1441
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 2: It's going to change the way he turns his head

1442
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 2: looks at the field if you don't want him to

1443
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 2: be uncomfortable doing things he has to do on a

1444
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 2: every snap basis, when there's ways you can coach him

1445
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 2: around taking some of the hits.

1446
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm not a like this isn't to be

1447
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 4: like anti concussion conspiracy theory here. I would like to

1448
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 4: see more data on the guardian caps and how much

1449
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 4: they actually help.

1450
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:29,679
Speaker 2: I think the data is that they work.

1451
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 3: It is, but it's such a good sample and practice.

1452
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 2: Where they work. You hear about this lots like the

1453
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 2: it's the head to head collisions at the line of scrimmage, right,

1454
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 2: it's a bunch of little ones. That's more what they're for.

1455
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 2: That there's a reason that like the linemenough to wear

1456
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 2: him in practice, but the wide receivers don't. It's a

1457
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 2: fair question, Mike, what's your next Yeah, it's fair question.

1458
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 6: Okay, the next time, what do you guys think about

1459
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 6: for quarterbacks and receivers adding a past interfering stat so

1460
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 6: yardage that they odd because they were interfered with in

1461
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 6: a play, because that's something that they had a chance

1462
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 6: to get. But then obviously they were interfere so they

1463
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 6: didn't get a chance to make that, but it benefited

1464
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:10,719
Speaker 6: the team.

1465
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 2: Yep.

1466
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 3: It's just something that the Brandon Cook's stats.

1467
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 2: So somebody does keep track of this somewhere, because when

1468
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 2: Brandon Cooks was here, I remember seeing the stat that

1469
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 2: receiving yards plus pass interference yards, he was the second

1470
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 2: leading receiver in the league.

1471
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 3: Yep, I love it.

1472
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 2: So that does exist somewhere. I would be all for

1473
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:30,839
Speaker 2: making it more public, especially for receivers.

1474
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 6: Okay, and one last one, and so you guys know

1475
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 6: the rules a lot better than I do, especially with

1476
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 6: now the new kickoff rules and stuff like that. So

1477
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 6: I believe you have to declare when you're gonna do

1478
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 6: an on side kick?

1479
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 8: Correct?

1480
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 3: Correct?

1481
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 6: Okay, what happens if you declare as an onside kick

1482
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 6: but you still kick off regular? Is there are there

1483
01:10:54,400 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 6: any implications? Is there any strategic advantage to the kick

1484
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 6: team if you do that?

1485
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 2: I believe you can't do that. No, I think that

1486
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 2: they would just get the ball it wherever. Yeah, yeah,

1487
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 2: I believe that's a penalty you can do. You can

1488
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 2: do that, and it's popular in college, like that poocha

1489
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 2: on sidekick, but there that really only works with a

1490
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 2: surprise element. So I guess you could claim it's one

1491
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,640
Speaker 2: of those, but you wouldn't be able to get it.

1492
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 4: So yeah, I don't think. I don't think that that

1493
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 4: is allowed, But I don't love that you have to

1494
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 4: declare that you're going to on sidekick it. I know

1495
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 4: everybody always goes back to, uh the Coult Saints super Bowl,

1496
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 4: like you would never have the surprise on sidekick, Like

1497
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:41,759
Speaker 4: that doesn't exist anymore.

1498
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:45,680
Speaker 2: I here it is current on side kick. If the

1499
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 2: on side kick goes beyond the setup zone untouched, the

1500
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 2: kicking team would be penalized for I don't know what

1501
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 2: uns is. Oh on Sports Mike, return team would start

1502
01:11:56,280 --> 01:12:00,799
Speaker 2: at the A twenty yard line, So that's a massive

1503
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 2: penalty their own twenty the opponent's twenty yard line. Yeah,

1504
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 2: they get it in the red zone. That's what I'm

1505
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 2: pretty sure is what a twenty means. Yeah, is this

1506
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 2: AI or is this like the NFL dot Com? This

1507
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 2: is NFL dot Com. Current onside kick rules would apply

1508
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 2: if on side kick that goes beyond the setup zone untouched.

1509
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly what the setup zone is. I'm

1510
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 2: guessing it's like fifteen twenty yards. Kicking team would be

1511
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 2: penalized for uns return team would start at the A twenty.

1512
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:27,679
Speaker 2: So the game's over.

1513
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 3: Yep? Is that the last one, Mike?

1514
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Sagan, Is that the last one?

1515
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 3: You got one more?

1516
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 6: Oh? That's the last one. Just just trying out my bait.

1517
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 6: See if you guys liked it.

1518
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 4: I liked it, Thanks Mike, Thanks for the call. Appreciate that.

1519
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 4: I hear what people are saying with the Guardian cap.

1520
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,759
Speaker 4: I'm just not totally convinced that's going to solve the problem.

1521
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 2: I'm never going to win multiplayer for wearing Guardian cap.

1522
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 3: But I also especially like a shame thing.

1523
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 2: No, but especially a quarterback.

1524
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 4: I don't I don't want to force it on a

1525
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 4: guy either, you're you're I'm talking about creating a whole

1526
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 4: other host of penalty issues there.

1527
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:06,640
Speaker 3: It's not even that to me. I just don't know

1528
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 3: if it's gonna work.

1529
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 4: Like I don't know if if he gets hit in

1530
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 4: the head, uh, you know, a direct blow to the

1531
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 4: head if he bounces his head off the turf, Like,

1532
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 4: is that going to save him? Maybe it would, Like

1533
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 4: it's obviously better than nothing, I suppose, but I just.

1534
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 3: Don't think it's gonna be.

1535
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 2: In the play against the Titans, He's still probably getting

1536
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 2: pulled off the field because the guardian caps not preventing

1537
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 2: the chin straft from going up. That's why he shook

1538
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 2: his head. And again the guardian cap, from what I understand,

1539
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,599
Speaker 2: is more about the like play to play down to down,

1540
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 2: like the lineman get blocking, like those collisions. It's not

1541
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 2: about the one big hit.

1542
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that's obviously he shouldn't be hitting his head

1543
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 4: every single play.

1544
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:42,759
Speaker 3: All right, Shawn is in Vancouver. What's up, Sean?

1545
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 12: Actually, I'm in I'm usiting my brother in South Florida.

1546
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 12: So Evan, I hope to see the game of Champa.

1547
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 12: I'll go up buy you a jersey mic stuff for

1548
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:54,839
Speaker 12: lunch on Saturday.

1549
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:55,560
Speaker 2: Nice.

1550
01:13:56,560 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 12: But I have I have one half boiled idea and

1551
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 12: one question. Now against opponents where the Patriots have had

1552
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 12: the game in hand, it's layed in the game, you know,

1553
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 12: it seems like they've won the defense has been more aggressive.

1554
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 12: They've been putting more pressure on the quarterback. You know

1555
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 12: against New Orleans, Carolina and the Panthers that those are

1556
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 12: the offenses that are struggling. Cleveland has an amazing defense,

1557
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 12: but their offense struggles. I'm just this is the idea

1558
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 12: this week. Let's start being aggressive right away on defense

1559
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 12: and see how that goes, see if we can actually

1560
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 12: get off the field to start the game. My question

1561
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 12: is step On Dicks, Like you said, it has been amazing, incredible,

1562
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 12: just a great free agent pickup. The only thing that

1563
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 12: I think should change is he hasn't seen the end zone.

1564
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,600
Speaker 12: There hasn't been enough end zone targets. First, step On,

1565
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 12: do you think that'll change? Is that that's the quint

1566
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,560
Speaker 12: Then what do you think happens moving forward? Okay, and

1567
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 12: I'll leave you with that.

1568
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,640
Speaker 4: Thanks Sean to the first one. I had something to

1569
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 4: say to that, and then I just totally space.

1570
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:09,719
Speaker 2: Like aggressive from the beginning.

1571
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 3: So I think they tried that in New Orleans.

1572
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 4: They send a corner blitz on the very first play

1573
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 4: of the game and they hit a fifty three yard pass.

1574
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 4: So I think that they've tried and I you know

1575
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 4: they they talked about this.

1576
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 2: Uh.

1577
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 4: Some of the players I've spoken about this with have

1578
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 4: said that they feel like once they make a play

1579
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 4: on defense, like a big play like a sack or

1580
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 4: a turnover, big negative play, they kind of get that

1581
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 4: gets them rolling a little bit, that gets their momentum

1582
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 4: headed in the right direction. So I think in New

1583
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 4: Orleans they said, well, why don't we just call blitz

1584
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 4: on the first play of the game and if let's

1585
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 4: see if we get a negative play and maybe that'll

1586
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 4: get us rolling early.

1587
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 2: And they tried it, and New Orleans.

1588
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 4: Was ready for it, and they hit a fifty yard

1589
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 4: bomb over Kyle Duggars's head. So I think that there's

1590
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 4: I hear what Sean's saying, but I think they did

1591
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 4: try that two weeks ago and that also didn't work.

1592
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 4: So there's that. What was the second thing he said?

1593
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 3: Now we're doing.

1594
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 2: Grand yea were it was? Actually it was an interesting

1595
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 2: uh question.

1596
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 3: Let's go to Aldred in North Carolina. What's that? Aldred?

1597
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 3: How are we doing?

1598
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 13: I'm doing pretty good, doing pretty good question?

1599
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 2: Question? Yes?

1600
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 13: Uh so, so last night Cleveland rank number three against

1601
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 13: quarterback Uh scrambles, I mean they don't scrammer that much

1602
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 13: against him that that well, and the number one what

1603
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 13: the past defense yep as of last night, So we

1604
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 13: haven't problems with problems on the officers of the line.

1605
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 13: How do you think we're gonna go and do against

1606
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 13: their defense? Just gonna be whatever offense score first wins

1607
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 13: the game three and our defense and day defense. And

1608
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 13: now I take it off the air. Thanks fellas, You'll

1609
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 13: have a good one.

1610
01:16:57,960 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 4: Thanks eld So I want to get to the brown

1611
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 4: here in a second. Let's just go back to what

1612
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 4: Sean was talking about with the touchdowns with Stefan Diggs.

1613
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 4: I say this seriously, and I know sometimes we get

1614
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 4: yelled at for mocking the fantasy football community. Is this

1615
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:13,759
Speaker 4: a fantasy football thing that you care that Stefan Diggs

1616
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:14,679
Speaker 4: doesn't have touchdowns?

1617
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 3: Ors is an actual issue?

1618
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,959
Speaker 2: It's that that's never been a high touchdown role. Jacoby

1619
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 2: Myers was the same way. It's just it's not a touch.

1620
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 4: Other than talking about it from a fantasy angle, I

1621
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 4: have no idea why it would matter if Stefan Diggs scores,

1622
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 4: or if Stefan Diggs draws two guys in the red

1623
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 4: zone and Austin Hooper scores, Right, Like I just for

1624
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 4: the Patriots. If the ball finds him in the end zone,

1625
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 4: then great. If he hits a big play he gets

1626
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 4: in the end zone, then great. I don't think they

1627
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:45,879
Speaker 4: really necessarily care about padding Stefan Diggs's touchdown stats.

1628
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 3: Let's start talking a.

1629
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 2: Little bit real quick. We're got a little more breaking

1630
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 2: us here. The next round of Hall of Fame voting

1631
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:56,679
Speaker 2: is in. Yes, former Patriots that are moving on, Fred Taylor,

1632
01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 2: Tory Holt for a minute.

1633
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,680
Speaker 3: Okay, can you let you from an actual former Patriots.

1634
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 4: Adam Vinitari, Yeah, Logan Mankins, Vince wolf Work, James Harrison,

1635
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,759
Speaker 4: Sante Samuel and Rodney Harrison.

1636
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Roddy Harrison takes no sense. And then obviously

1637
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick yesterday it's the Coaches Committee separate. This was

1638
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 2: the Modern Era committee.

1639
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 4: So the Modern era one is like on I think

1640
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 4: this is round two. Yeah, so this is like normally

1641
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 4: when all these Patriots show up, and then they cut

1642
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 4: it down even further.

1643
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 3: I think at the NFL Honors is.

1644
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 4: Also go from here to I think it's twenty finalists, yeah,

1645
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 4: twenty and then the and then that gets cut down

1646
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 4: to eight that actually go on the ultimate ballot.

1647
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 2: And then they go on. That's where you mix in

1648
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 2: the guys from like soa just committee the contributors.

1649
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:48,720
Speaker 3: So we have quite a bit ways to go here

1650
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 3: until they get down to the end.

1651
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:53,600
Speaker 2: The finalist one is where like Vince and Rodney and

1652
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 2: those guys have kind of fallen off.

1653
01:18:55,520 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 4: Vinitaries should keep going though. Okay, the Browns. So, so

1654
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:03,759
Speaker 4: here's the thing with the Browns A couple things. Starting

1655
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 4: with the just the big picture. They have the biggest

1656
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 4: discrepancy between offensive efficiency and defensive efficiency in the NFL.

1657
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 4: They have a top five defense in the league and

1658
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 4: they have a bottom five offense. They are really struggling

1659
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 4: to score points, especially when the other team doesn't hand

1660
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 4: them points like Miami did last week. It doesn't matter

1661
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:26,839
Speaker 4: if it's Dylan Gabriel or if it was Joe Flacco

1662
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 4: early in the year. They're thirtieth in the league in points.

1663
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:33,640
Speaker 4: Dylan Gabriel right now is one of the worst downfield

1664
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 4: passers in the NFL. He is dead last and completion

1665
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 4: percentage on throws of ten plus yards in the air,

1666
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 4: He's eleven for thirty one throw it. So the fact

1667
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 4: that Drake may earlier in the show, we talked about

1668
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:48,759
Speaker 4: how good he is throwing the ball twenty plus yards

1669
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,599
Speaker 4: down the field. Dylan Gabriel can't even throw the ball

1670
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:53,560
Speaker 4: ten yards down the field. And I'm not trying to

1671
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 4: be disrespectful. I'm just telling you this is a really

1672
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:58,799
Speaker 4: limited quarterback that they're facing.

1673
01:19:59,160 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 2: Now.

1674
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:02,560
Speaker 4: Brown's run game and the Browns short passing game is

1675
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,879
Speaker 4: a formula for them. They can throw the ball underneath

1676
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 4: the defense and they can catch and run. They can

1677
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 4: throw the ball to their tight ends, they can throw

1678
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 4: the ball to their backs, and quinchn Jenkins has had

1679
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:15,719
Speaker 4: a nice start. But I just find it very hard

1680
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:18,720
Speaker 4: to believe as long as the Patriots don't have like

1681
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 4: a Pittsburgh like game where they turn the ball over

1682
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:24,639
Speaker 4: five times, that the Browns are going to be able

1683
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 4: to score with the Patriots in this game. Now, the

1684
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 4: fun part about this game though, is not so much

1685
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 4: that I'm worried about the final result. Like I think

1686
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 4: the Patriots will win this game. I think they will

1687
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 4: win this game pretty comfortably. But it will be fascinating

1688
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 4: to see how Drake.

1689
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 2: May plays against a really good defense.

1690
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 4: And is a lot of this MVP talk, a lot

1691
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 4: of this efficiency stuff that's off the charts with him.

1692
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 4: Is this a product of the schedule a little bit

1693
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 4: or is it really that he has developed into that

1694
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 4: good of a quarterback. And I think we're gonna find

1695
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 4: out a little bit of that this week. A couple

1696
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 4: of things about the Browns defense. They are a very

1697
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 4: aggressive unit. They are very very aggressive upfront. They have

1698
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 4: a great front. They really have great talent all three

1699
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 4: levels of their defense. You know, on the front, you

1700
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 4: obviously know about Miles Garrett, but Alex Wright's a really

1701
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 4: underrated player. Malie Collins is a really underrated player. They

1702
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 4: just drafted Mason Graham at linebacker. Carson Schweessinger, their second

1703
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 4: round pick, is having a really good rookie season. Devin

1704
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 4: Bush is a really solid number two linebacker there. They

1705
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 4: still have Denzel Ward, you know, Pro Bowl corner as well,

1706
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 4: so they have a lot of talent on the defensive side.

1707
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 4: Jim Schwartz is one of the best schemers in the

1708
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 4: league on the defensive side. So it's a tough test

1709
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 4: from that standpoint. But a couple of things. I do

1710
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 4: think that their secondary in terms of like their second

1711
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:50,839
Speaker 4: and third corner. You know, Denzel Ward's a great player,

1712
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 4: but they just swapped corners with Jacksonville. You know, they

1713
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 4: have Tyson Campbell now their slot corner as well. I

1714
01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 4: think they can be hacked. I think those two guys

1715
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 4: are You can pick on those two guys now. The

1716
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 4: obviously the big thing is is Drake Megan have the

1717
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 4: time to do that with Miles Garrett. The aggressiveness of

1718
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:13,800
Speaker 4: this Browns defense. They struggle against moving pockets and they

1719
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 4: struggle against play action because they just are flying downhill

1720
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 4: every time they get a chance to. So if you

1721
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 4: can get the quarterback on the move, if you can

1722
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 4: get him out of the pocket, if you can hit

1723
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,879
Speaker 4: play action shots down the field with you know, extra protection,

1724
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 4: you know, put six seven guys into the protection, maybe

1725
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 4: leave the tight ends in, maybe go six to zero line,

1726
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 4: you know sometimes and really load it up. You really

1727
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 4: only need to run two routes at them down the

1728
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 4: field because they play a lot of single high coverage.

1729
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 4: So if you can do that sort of thing against

1730
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 4: this Browns defense, then you can throw the ball. On

1731
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 4: the Browns defense, you gotta block it and you gotta

1732
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 4: keep the quarterback protected. But it's not a defense that

1733
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 4: is completely has you know, zero ability.

1734
01:22:58,280 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 3: To throw the football.

1735
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 4: Against so So just to wrap that up, if I'm

1736
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 4: the Patriots in this game, I have a couple of

1737
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 4: schemed up shot plays where like I said, maybe it's

1738
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 4: leaving both tight ends in and you go seven man protection,

1739
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:16,799
Speaker 4: or maybe you go tackle eligible and you put two tackles.

1740
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 4: You know, you Will Campbell and Vederian load on Mason

1741
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 4: Miles Garrett, and you take some shots early in this

1742
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,800
Speaker 4: game down the field, because if you get them into

1743
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 4: like a ten to nothing or a fourteen nothing hole,

1744
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 4: this game's over.

1745
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 3: Like the Browns are not coming back. So you have

1746
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,680
Speaker 3: to get them down on the scoreboard early and make

1747
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 3: them throw their way back into the football game.

1748
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. Blocking it is the key thing.

1749
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 2: And this is a new kind of test. Miles Garrett

1750
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 2: plays all over, but he'll play a lot.

1751
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 3: On He plays mostly over the left.

1752
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 2: He'll play on that left side. So you know, they

1753
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 2: face TJ. Watt, they face Max Crosby, but those guys

1754
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:57,639
Speaker 2: will lining up opposite Morgan Moses and Mike w and Wenthu.

1755
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:00,320
Speaker 2: Now you're going to be testing Will Campbell. You're gonna

1756
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 2: be testing Jared Wilson. If I'm the Browns, I'm throwing

1757
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 2: a lot of line games at them. Now that can

1758
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 2: make you susceptible to rollouts. Here's the question, are you

1759
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 2: always rolling mad to the right or do you ever

1760
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 2: roll them to the left. Now you're rolling towards Garrett.

1761
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 2: So it's a little counterintuitive, but it also you show

1762
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 2: it early. It forces a little more discipline on that side.

1763
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 2: I do think the moving pockets will be a big

1764
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:22,719
Speaker 2: part of this game. And again, they got to show

1765
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:24,599
Speaker 2: that they can run the ball to upset the time

1766
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 2: of that pass rush. I said it before. They're not

1767
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 2: going to run for five yards of carry probably like

1768
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 2: they did against Tennessee. It'd be great if they did.

1769
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 2: I'm not expecting it. But it also can't be like

1770
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 2: the New Orleans game either, where it's just completely non existent.

1771
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 2: You have to show the Brown something to ex something

1772
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 2: to respect.

1773
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:40,679
Speaker 3: So you could you can roll both ways.

1774
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 4: Obviously, you could roll to mcgarrett's side and like try

1775
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 4: to crack them like so you take like a tight

1776
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 4: end or a wide receiver and as you roll, you

1777
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 4: kind of just crack him and block him and pin

1778
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 4: him inside, and so that helps Drake may get the edge.

1779
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 4: The Vikings did that a couple of times and had

1780
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:59,600
Speaker 4: some success with it. The Packers was more gun rollouts.

1781
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 4: They Aaron Rodgers in the shotgun and then they booted

1782
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 4: off of fakes out of the shotgun, which can also

1783
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 4: be helpful because then the quarterback can see, you know,

1784
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,599
Speaker 4: are they glitzeeing? Like what am I looking at? You're

1785
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 4: not turning your back to the defense like you do

1786
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 4: when you're under center. So there's some element of that

1787
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:17,679
Speaker 4: as well. But if you go watch their tape, especially

1788
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 4: the tape against Pittsburgh and Minnesota, they got a little

1789
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:24,479
Speaker 4: bit better, it felt like against it last week against Miami.

1790
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 4: But the Minnesota and the Packer that keeps saying Packers

1791
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:31,599
Speaker 4: because of Rogers. The Steelers tape is just filled with

1792
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:35,799
Speaker 4: bootlegs and chunk plays off of bootlegs. Like both teams

1793
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:39,559
Speaker 4: just had tremendous success doing that. I think that that's

1794
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 4: the way that you go because the worst thing to

1795
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 4: do is to drop back pass and let Miles Garrett

1796
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,720
Speaker 4: just tee off on Drake May and Will Campbell, Like,

1797
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 4: you just don't want to do that. You don't want

1798
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 4: to live in that world. To your point about running

1799
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 4: the football, they do. They are a little bit weaker

1800
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 4: against spread runs, like if you spread them out and

1801
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 4: you run the ball from the shotgun, they've given up

1802
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 4: a little bit more. They're a very stingy run defense.

1803
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 4: They're really near the top of the league in pretty

1804
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 4: much every category against the run. It's hard to run

1805
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:10,640
Speaker 4: on them. But if you do want to find some

1806
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 4: success running the football, the teams have found a little

1807
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 4: bit of it running the ball out of the gun

1808
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 4: because I think it just spreads them out a little

1809
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 4: bit and that allows you to run it a little

1810
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 4: bit more inside. So if you're the Patriots, you know,

1811
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 4: you can spread them out, run the football from the gun,

1812
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 4: then you can boot off those runs from the gun.

1813
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 4: And now that I think that's sort of the game

1814
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 4: plan or the point of attack for them. Like I said,

1815
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:38,680
Speaker 4: Campbell Tyson Campbell uh. And I'll get the name of

1816
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 4: the slock corner. I'm blanking on it right now. They're

1817
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 4: nickel corner. Both those guys I think can be had.

1818
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 4: You know, I wouldn't really test Denzel Ward all that

1819
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 4: much now. They don't travel Ward, or they haven't yet,

1820
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 4: So I'm interested to see if Denzel Ward travels with

1821
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 4: Diggs on Sunday.

1822
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 2: If he doesn't think Greg Newsom, no, Miles Harden, Yeah,

1823
01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 2: is their nickel corner. Yep.

1824
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 4: If they if they don't travel, then like you can

1825
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 4: just put Digs over at Tyson Campbell And I think

1826
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 4: Diggs is gonna go to town on Tyson Campbell. So I

1827
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 4: would just look for those types of opportunities. It's a

1828
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 4: fun test, but I would not necessarily say, like I understand,

1829
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 4: this is what we do. We come into the week,

1830
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 4: we talk up the other team. We try to find

1831
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 4: ways that they can win. I think if the Patriots

1832
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 4: score twenty points in this game, it's game over.

1833
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 2: Like I don't. I mean, look, we've watched We've been

1834
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 2: on the other side of this, watching the Patriots the

1835
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 2: last few years. We know how that thing goes.

1836
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:33,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know, it's a run in in short

1837
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 3: passing game.

1838
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 2: On Quinn Shawn Judkins has started to come on, like

1839
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 2: don't allow the big play. Don't allow you know, they

1840
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 2: gotta be They've been much much better about tackling, but

1841
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,680
Speaker 2: like in this game, don't allow Quinn Shawn Judkins to

1842
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 2: break tackles in Djok who I know is a little

1843
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 2: banged up, but like if he plays, that's a guy

1844
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 2: that can do some damage after the catch, but take

1845
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:53,640
Speaker 2: care of the short stuff. Wrap guys up when you

1846
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:56,759
Speaker 2: get to him. We shouldn't see an explosive offensive performance

1847
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,600
Speaker 2: from the Browns certainly. And there's one other thing. I

1848
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 2: don't what it was.

1849
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 4: So they scored thirty one points last week, twenty one

1850
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:05,679
Speaker 4: of them came off turnover. Yeah, they had a hand

1851
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 4: and they had a pick six, and then they had

1852
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 4: essentially a pick six because the Browns were turned into

1853
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 4: the two yard line, So they had really like two real.

1854
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 2: Scoring So that's where that's where you open the door

1855
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 2: to me with the Browns is if the turnover problems

1856
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 2: come back, and they've been really good about it. The

1857
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 2: reason this game, I think we're objectively we're taking the

1858
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 2: Browns little more serious. I think then we took the

1859
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 2: Titans last week. Miles Garrett is a real Tuesday player.

1860
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 2: And look, I think Jeffrey Simmons is two. Yeah, but

1861
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 2: he's on the interior. It's a little different. He also

1862
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:41,840
Speaker 2: got hurt in that game. Yeah, and the Saints didn't

1863
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 2: have anybody like this on defense. No, So Miles Garrett

1864
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 2: is in this what was identified before the year, and

1865
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 2: it's kind of bare true it's the stretch of easy games.

1866
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 2: These three games might be the easiest three game stretch.

1867
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 2: They have Miles Garrett. I think you'd argue, really on

1868
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 2: either side of the ball, is the best player that

1869
01:28:58,880 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 2: they'll face.

1870
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 4: I think you could argue that Miles Garrett is the

1871
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 4: best defensive end in the history of football.

1872
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 2: Okay, I hate that's what? Like?

1873
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 3: Who?

1874
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 13: Like?

1875
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 3: Why is that?

1876
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:08,799
Speaker 2: Crazy? Taylor?

1877
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 3: Lawrence Taylor is an outside linebacker.

1878
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:12,599
Speaker 2: Oh you're talking just defensive end, hand in the dirt,

1879
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:18,479
Speaker 2: defensive end mmm jj watt. I think he's there.

1880
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 3: I mean he's I think he's up there.

1881
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean the guys that he gets compared

1882
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 2: to now are mostly linebackers, like Parsons is a linebacker.

1883
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 3: He is that good.

1884
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 4: Like when you watch him rush, he does things that

1885
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 4: human bodies of that side should not be able to do.

1886
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 3: He is a little a legitimate alien.

1887
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:41,559
Speaker 4: Like he he has that teleport move now where he

1888
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 4: just like he wins inside in two steps. It's one

1889
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:47,640
Speaker 4: off the ball and then it's one lateral step and

1890
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 4: he's in the backfield Like that is absolutely disgustingly sick.

1891
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:53,520
Speaker 3: So I put unbelievable.

1892
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 2: I put up t J Watt or sorry J J. Watt. Yeah,

1893
01:29:57,439 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 2: and you're gonna hate these ones, Reggie White and Michael Strahan.

1894
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 4: So I think Reggie White is probably considered the best

1895
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:06,879
Speaker 4: defensive end of all time. Yeah, I think Miles Garrett

1896
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 4: is in the conversation.

1897
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:10,600
Speaker 2: I know, I think he's in the conversation. You just

1898
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:12,839
Speaker 2: said that with such conviction. No love for Michael Strahan.

1899
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 3: No, Okay, Reggie White is a good one.

1900
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 2: Reggie, I meang is the standard. I know that. And yeah,

1901
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 2: JJ Watt was. I think some people count J. J.

1902
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 2: Watt as a linebacker because he didn't play standing up

1903
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:28,480
Speaker 2: a little bit, But nobody counts j No.

1904
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 4: I would actually argue that JJ Watt might be like

1905
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:33,799
Speaker 4: more of a defensive tackle. He played a lot inside

1906
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 4: the tackle. But anyways, that's semantics. I think Miles Garrett

1907
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 4: is probably the freakiest rusher I've ever seen, just in

1908
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 4: terms of his movement ability, like his ability at his size,

1909
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:49,800
Speaker 4: you know, also like to his flexibility to coil his

1910
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 4: hips underneath sys out stand with speed to power or

1911
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:56,639
Speaker 4: to dip the edge like this is we're talking about

1912
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:59,719
Speaker 4: a guy that's like six five and seventy five pounds

1913
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 4: moving like that like Parsons moves like that at twenty

1914
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 4: five pounds later, you know, So like it's just that's

1915
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 4: the part of it. I think that makes him so freaky.

1916
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 4: Will Campbell, Like this will be the hardest matchup of

1917
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:15,240
Speaker 4: Will Campbell's life. Yeah, and he will never face anybody better.

1918
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 2: And they're gonna need to give him a ton of help.

1919
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:20,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's a it's a tall task now. I

1920
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 4: fully expect whether it's Austin Hooper, whether again I could

1921
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 4: keep going back to the six o line thing, like,

1922
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 4: whether it's one of those two things, Like I don't

1923
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:32,559
Speaker 4: think Will Campbell is going to be left alone very often.

1924
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:35,800
Speaker 2: This is it's I mean, he's of the level. Remember

1925
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 2: when they played Calvin Johnson and they just lined up

1926
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 2: two corners opposite him every play, And yeah, Miles Garrett,

1927
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:43,600
Speaker 2: is that kind of life.

1928
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 4: Is And it's especially that true because it's like that's

1929
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:49,080
Speaker 4: how you lose the game. Yeah, Like I think that

1930
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 4: when you go up against other teams, like I think

1931
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 4: last week, you know what Jeffrey Simmons, As great as

1932
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:55,680
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Simmons was, and I know he didn't play the

1933
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 4: whole game, I still didn't feel like there was a

1934
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 4: way that Jeffery Simmons could totally take over the game

1935
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 4: that would lose the Patriots the game. I think the

1936
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 4: Browns have enough that they're a little bit better than

1937
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 4: the Titans talent wise across the board that if Miles

1938
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,760
Speaker 4: Garrett has like a ten pressure game and he's just

1939
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:17,800
Speaker 4: taking him over, then it could turn ugly, not like

1940
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 4: blowout ugly, but like the Patriots could. I don't think

1941
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Simmons was going to take over that game to

1942
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:25,400
Speaker 4: the point where the Patriots are ever going to lose.

1943
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 4: But I think this could happen with Miles Garrett, and

1944
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 4: I have no like this is to me is the

1945
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 4: best player in football. Maybe he's that good now. I

1946
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 4: think that the Patriots will be ready for him. I

1947
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:39,519
Speaker 4: think Josh McDaniels and Doug Moron will be ready for him.

1948
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:42,599
Speaker 4: They'll have things up their sleeve. They'll move the pocket,

1949
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 4: they'll change pitches, they'll chip him, they'll double him, they'll

1950
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:48,720
Speaker 4: pull out the kitchen sink. They're not going to just

1951
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:51,439
Speaker 4: let him t off on little Campbell. They're not going

1952
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 4: to let Jim Schwartz just move him around and do

1953
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:58,240
Speaker 4: that sort of thing either. So I'm concerned, but I

1954
01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 4: have a lot of faith in the Patriots coach staff

1955
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 4: to be able to manage it. You know, whether it's

1956
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 4: moving pockets, it's quick passing game, it's chips, it's double teams,

1957
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:10,599
Speaker 4: it's that sort of thing. In terms of the other pieces, well,

1958
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 4: it's worth Miles Garrett four sacks in three career games

1959
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 4: against the Patriots.

1960
01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:18,439
Speaker 2: His only two sack game against the Paper. So he

1961
01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 2: had one sack in twenty nineteen, he had one sack

1962
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one. The only two sack game he

1963
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 2: had was twenty twenty two, so Josh McDaniel's not here

1964
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:29,719
Speaker 2: for that one. So Patriots won all three of those games.

1965
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:32,559
Speaker 4: The only thing that I would say about Miles Garrett

1966
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:37,280
Speaker 4: on like a slightly negative tone. His press conferences lately

1967
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 4: had been really dark. He's been really critical of the

1968
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:43,559
Speaker 4: Browns and they're off. I mean, do you blame them, No,

1969
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 4: But I'm just his buying and his compete checking out.

1970
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 4: I don't know where that is, and I'm not usually that.

1971
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:52,719
Speaker 4: I don't usually go in that side of the street.

1972
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,320
Speaker 2: It was this year, right that there was that whole

1973
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 2: saga where they were going to trade him and then

1974
01:33:56,880 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 2: at the last second he said he was going to

1975
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:00,479
Speaker 2: go back because they made him some assurance about being

1976
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:03,160
Speaker 2: more competitive. Obviously that didn't happen.

1977
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:07,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could see him being a little miffed because

1978
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 4: he's not an extension, right, Yes, some big, big extension,

1979
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 4: and I I just.

1980
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 2: I don the Browns waste another guy like that. Joe

1981
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 2: Thomas now him.

1982
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, they they they asked him about Joe Flacco's performance

1983
01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:23,040
Speaker 4: last week and he had some critical comments like I

1984
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 4: guess that we didn't need that or something like that.

1985
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 4: But for him, you know, so he's getting a little

1986
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:30,439
Speaker 4: spicy in the media. So I had something to monitor.

1987
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 2: I did in three career playoff games.

1988
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:34,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought that he was okay in this past

1989
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 4: game against the Dolphins, but I didn't think it was

1990
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 4: like I don't think it was like peak Miles.

1991
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 2: Just to play Devil's advocate. Or is there an element

1992
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:44,839
Speaker 2: of I guess I got to do all this myself

1993
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:46,800
Speaker 2: and he shows up like an absolute demon to warn

1994
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:47,799
Speaker 2: them the game single handedly.

1995
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:50,120
Speaker 3: There's definitely that element too. He's a hell of a

1996
01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:52,360
Speaker 3: football player, it really is.

1997
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:52,559
Speaker 8: Now.

1998
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 4: Uh, this Browns defense is a really good defense, and

1999
01:34:56,560 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 4: I keep repeating myself. But I'm just really I think

2000
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 4: that this is one that I can't wait to watch

2001
01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 4: the tape of Drake May on Monday, because if he

2002
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:08,360
Speaker 4: deals against this defense, then I don't even know if

2003
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:11,759
Speaker 4: I have the words to describe like the high perpose

2004
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:14,960
Speaker 4: you only need. I mean it just that would be

2005
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:18,040
Speaker 4: an incredible thing to see. Let's get back to the calls.

2006
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:20,599
Speaker 4: We'll take a few emails here too, on you know,

2007
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 4: trade deadline and things like that.

2008
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:25,240
Speaker 3: Matt is in New Hampshire. What's up, Matt?

2009
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 1: Hey?

2010
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:26,920
Speaker 2: What's up?

2011
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:27,120
Speaker 13: Guys?

2012
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:27,679
Speaker 11: How you doing?

2013
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:28,040
Speaker 2: Hey?

2014
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:32,960
Speaker 11: So this isn't really about the Browns. It's more of

2015
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:35,840
Speaker 11: just about the team coming into this year. I just

2016
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:37,599
Speaker 11: kind of want to get your guys opinion on it.

2017
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:40,240
Speaker 11: I kind of only looked at the free agent class

2018
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:42,559
Speaker 11: and I was only looking really at Marcus Shownes as

2019
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 11: an extension candidate. But midway through the year, I'm looking

2020
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:48,360
Speaker 11: now and you have guys like Calebon chased On and

2021
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 11: Chiros Tonga who seemed to have found homes here in

2022
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 11: New England. So I just wanted to get your guys

2023
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:55,759
Speaker 11: opinions on those two guys. And I'm sure you guys

2024
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:57,920
Speaker 11: obviously feel the same way about Marcus Shows as well,

2025
01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:00,599
Speaker 11: because he's kind of taking a step for this year.

2026
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:02,760
Speaker 11: He's got a great year so far. But just your

2027
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,920
Speaker 11: opinions on extending guys like Chiros Toga and Caleb On

2028
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 11: Chase On to either team friendly deals or just you know,

2029
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:11,559
Speaker 11: a couple of years extensions for both of them.

2030
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:14,600
Speaker 3: Thanks guys, Thanks Matt, thanks for the call. It was

2031
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 3: a one year deal for Tonga. Why do I think

2032
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:17,160
Speaker 3: it was a two year deal?

2033
01:36:17,160 --> 01:36:19,880
Speaker 2: Maybe I thought, I know, he ye two million. I

2034
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 2: know it was a one year deal for Chase On.

2035
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 4: Chaison's an interesting one one year deal for tongas Okay,

2036
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:27,200
Speaker 4: So I mean, look, I I'd take both those guys back.

2037
01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:27,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2038
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:30,720
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Chaison's an interesting one because.

2039
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 4: The it's kind of the josh Uja thing, where like

2040
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:36,680
Speaker 4: we all thought josh j was going to get this

2041
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 4: massive contract coming off to his big twenty twenty two

2042
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:44,679
Speaker 4: opposite June On, we all think that Chaison is kind

2043
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:46,640
Speaker 4: of tracking for a similar contract.

2044
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 3: It didn't happen for Ja.

2045
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:51,200
Speaker 4: Teams kind of saw through the production and uh, well

2046
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:53,120
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's Chase On because Jason had

2047
01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:55,280
Speaker 4: good production last year too, But just it was with

2048
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:56,719
Speaker 4: Max Crosby on the other.

2049
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 2: Side, so didn't hit free agency after that. He there

2050
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:01,679
Speaker 2: was another year in there he didn't play well. Okay,

2051
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:04,519
Speaker 2: so he had eleven happened at the end of twenty

2052
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:06,439
Speaker 2: two and they were all the second half season, and

2053
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:08,599
Speaker 2: then twenty twenty three was when Judon got hurt.

2054
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:11,519
Speaker 4: Okay, I thought that maybe they that was when he

2055
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:13,439
Speaker 4: signed the one year deal with the Patriots.

2056
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 2: No, he signed the one year deal after twenty three.

2057
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:20,439
Speaker 4: Okay, that makes more sense. Yeah, So Jason, I think,

2058
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:24,400
Speaker 4: is you know, tracking to get paid well, you know,

2059
01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 4: could you get it done early and maybe avoid competing

2060
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:29,719
Speaker 4: in the market. Maybe, But if I'm him, I'm probably

2061
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 4: betting on myself at this point.

2062
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 2: I think it's also a weak free agency class. So

2063
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:36,519
Speaker 2: you go in as a past twenty six year old

2064
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:38,960
Speaker 2: pass rusher coming off in two strong years and a

2065
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:41,439
Speaker 2: former first round and a former first round pick, and like,

2066
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:43,679
Speaker 2: you're gonna be in good shape.

2067
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 4: So that's one where look, I really like what he's doing.

2068
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 2: Actually, it is kind of a weaker class. But the

2069
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:53,880
Speaker 2: one spot as strong Jalen Phillips, Trey Hendrickson.

2070
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:56,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the well Trey Henderson might because of all

2071
01:37:56,439 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 4: the issues with the contracts. But you know, I don't

2072
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:00,559
Speaker 4: know if Jalen Jon.

2073
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:02,519
Speaker 2: Philps might too. He just might want to get out

2074
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 2: of there. He might not going anywhere. No, But anyway, Yeah,

2075
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:11,080
Speaker 2: it's it's too a look at this. I what I

2076
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:13,200
Speaker 2: was going to say is, and I really like what

2077
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:16,000
Speaker 2: calebon chase On is done. And he is only twenty

2078
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 2: six years old. Is there a Mark Anderson element where

2079
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:26,640
Speaker 2: like he's just kind of on a heater and this

2080
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:29,439
Speaker 2: year is what it is? And maybe it's some of

2081
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 2: it's a product of the system and instead of because

2082
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:33,200
Speaker 2: you're gonna pay him twenty million dollars a year probably right,

2083
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:34,400
Speaker 2: I don't.

2084
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:37,360
Speaker 4: Think so, No, No, because I think that the market

2085
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 4: will look at him as a complimentary rusher.

2086
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:40,960
Speaker 2: What if he finishes with ten sacks and he's on

2087
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 2: pace for ten sacks.

2088
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 4: Then you might have to pay him, you know, starter

2089
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 4: money at that position, which is over ten. Now, I

2090
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:50,840
Speaker 4: don't think twenty million plus is you're talking about? That's

2091
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:53,439
Speaker 4: the guy, right, like that's your number one pass rusher

2092
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:55,600
Speaker 4: when you start getting into that category.

2093
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:58,120
Speaker 2: But isn't that what he's probably gonna look at himself

2094
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:01,400
Speaker 2: as because he would be not one pass rusher net,

2095
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:03,080
Speaker 2: you know, and then does he go to the old market.

2096
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:03,960
Speaker 2: I just wonder, like.

2097
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:07,760
Speaker 4: I I think that, and look, maybe a team gets silly,

2098
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:11,960
Speaker 4: it always happens. But smart teams are gonna say he

2099
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:15,439
Speaker 4: piled up sacks opposite the Max Crosby a year ago. Yeah,

2100
01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:19,479
Speaker 4: this year, Williams and Christian Barmer are pushing quarterbacks to him.

2101
01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:24,040
Speaker 4: He is a very very good, complimentary rusher, but I

2102
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:26,479
Speaker 4: don't think that he is a number ze rush.

2103
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:28,040
Speaker 2: For the right price, obviously, I take him back. And

2104
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:29,880
Speaker 2: if you're telling me it's gonna take like fourteen to fifteen,

2105
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:32,559
Speaker 2: I might do that. But it's a really good year

2106
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:35,599
Speaker 2: for edge rushers in the draft. You know, you still

2107
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:38,200
Speaker 2: have those guys in the middle, So I don't we

2108
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:41,599
Speaker 2: got a long way to go. If he plays himself

2109
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:45,160
Speaker 2: in close to that twenty million dollar range, though, I

2110
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:48,679
Speaker 2: might start looking at you know, because we are getting

2111
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:50,320
Speaker 2: to the point now where you've gotta start thinking about

2112
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:52,800
Speaker 2: the money for Drake Ma and Christian Zalez. Yeah.

2113
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:54,960
Speaker 3: I think about the money for Drake May on a

2114
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:55,879
Speaker 3: semi daily.

2115
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:57,160
Speaker 2: But well, the Gonzales one comes first.

2116
01:39:57,160 --> 01:39:59,719
Speaker 4: But like the consalt past couple of years, a great player,

2117
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:02,519
Speaker 4: But can Zalees is going to be a maximum I

2118
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:04,479
Speaker 4: would say probably around thirty million I get.

2119
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:07,559
Speaker 2: But regardless of what the ultimate number is. The last

2120
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:09,599
Speaker 2: few years we've taken this approach, I've said this a lot.

2121
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:11,360
Speaker 2: We've talked about for agency. Oh the money is this?

2122
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:13,760
Speaker 2: Oh the money is that you don't have anybody you're

2123
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:16,439
Speaker 2: paying for three years and now we're getting like the

2124
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:19,400
Speaker 2: contract comes off the books before Gonzalez goes on, before

2125
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:21,479
Speaker 2: May goes on. Is that going to be the case

2126
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:22,840
Speaker 2: if you pay kaylebon Chase on.

2127
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:26,160
Speaker 4: Sure, But I'm not worried about the Gonzales money because

2128
01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:29,639
Speaker 4: that's modest money by NFL standards. At this point, Drake

2129
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 4: May is going to be a sixty million dollars a

2130
01:40:31,439 --> 01:40:31,880
Speaker 4: year courter.

2131
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:34,880
Speaker 3: Probably not Probably he will be well.

2132
01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:38,559
Speaker 4: So sixty sixty million, we'll see, I think there when

2133
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:41,519
Speaker 4: the wis media dealer like at this point, thirty million

2134
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:45,160
Speaker 4: going up, thirty million like is like kind of just

2135
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:49,439
Speaker 4: like okay, that's like Pro Bowl, all pro caliber defender money,

2136
01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:52,479
Speaker 4: but it's modest money in the gran scope of things.

2137
01:40:52,520 --> 01:40:55,759
Speaker 4: When you start talking about quarterbacks, like quarterbacks, thirty million

2138
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:59,000
Speaker 4: is like what like Sam Darnold is making, you know,

2139
01:40:59,160 --> 01:41:02,479
Speaker 4: like that, it's like a decent starting quarterback. I know

2140
01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:04,720
Speaker 4: he's playing better than that now, but that Drake May

2141
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:07,120
Speaker 4: contract is gonna be an absolute monster.

2142
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:09,519
Speaker 2: Also, the media deal's run through twenty thirty three. I

2143
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 2: don't know why I thought they were all the stuf.

2144
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:12,840
Speaker 3: Because they were trying to renegotiate early.

2145
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:15,160
Speaker 2: That's what it is. Well, because if that happens, the

2146
01:41:15,200 --> 01:41:16,760
Speaker 2: cap spikes and then it's just.

2147
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:19,280
Speaker 4: Like I yeah, I mean, I wouldn't be against bringing

2148
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:21,640
Speaker 4: him back, but I also don't We got a long

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Speaker 4: way to go.

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Speaker 2: Let's see what it looks like Tonga. I think is

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01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:27,439
Speaker 2: a realistic return. Yep. I think he likes it here.

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01:41:27,479 --> 01:41:28,840
Speaker 2: I think Vrabel likes him here.

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01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 4: He's a pretty scheme specific player, so I don't think

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01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:36,680
Speaker 4: he has a massive role specific I don't know how

2155
01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:39,120
Speaker 4: big his market's going to be, and he's in a

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01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:41,680
Speaker 4: pretty good situation where where he's playing next to Milli

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01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:42,759
Speaker 4: Williams and Christian Barmore.

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01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:44,600
Speaker 2: That one's realistic. I'd love to see him back. I

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01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:46,880
Speaker 2: think he's been a super underrated signing. Do you remember

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01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:48,280
Speaker 2: when we came in here for at show after free

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01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 2: agency or a listening off all the names. He didn't

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01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:51,920
Speaker 2: even say kiris Tonga, I forgot. I had to.

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01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:58,719
Speaker 4: Remind you to respect many times. I apologize to kiris Tonga.

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01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:00,280
Speaker 4: I was not familiar with your game.

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01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:03,559
Speaker 2: That's better than I thought. They reinvented his game. Yeah,

2166
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:06,320
Speaker 2: so that's what that's the awesome thing about it.

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01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:08,720
Speaker 4: So listen really quick. Last thing on Chase On. Then

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Speaker 4: I want to answer this email. Uh, there is definitely

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01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:18,960
Speaker 4: value in being a really good complimentary So if you're

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01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:21,599
Speaker 4: like another team, I'm trying to think of an example

2171
01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:23,479
Speaker 4: off the top of my head. But if you're another team,

2172
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:26,080
Speaker 4: I mean, the Raider is a really the example Cleveland.

2173
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:29,439
Speaker 4: That okay, Cleveland, Alex writes a good player, but he's

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01:42:29,479 --> 01:42:31,559
Speaker 4: not really like an edge true edge. He's more like

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01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:35,080
Speaker 4: a defensive end. But if you're another team that has

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01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:37,880
Speaker 4: one really good like a stud pass rusher, like a

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01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:42,240
Speaker 4: Miles Garrett, Uh, you know, like his situation in Vegas

2178
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:45,280
Speaker 4: with Max Crossby having the other guy on the other side,

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01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:49,759
Speaker 4: that's gonna just you know, kind of play really solid steady. Uh,

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01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:54,559
Speaker 4: football is very valuable like that that that's not anything

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01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:56,600
Speaker 4: to sniff at with Calebon Chase On.

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01:42:57,200 --> 01:42:58,559
Speaker 3: So this is an email from Todd.

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01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:00,280
Speaker 4: I think this kind of just sums up all the

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01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:02,840
Speaker 4: trade deadline emails that we're getting, So we can just

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Speaker 4: answer this to wrap up the show. What are the

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01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:08,320
Speaker 4: two positions that you could upgrade that will allow you

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01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:10,400
Speaker 4: to make a deep playoff run? So basically, what are

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01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:12,920
Speaker 4: your what are your wish lists right now at the

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01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:14,120
Speaker 4: trade dead I just don't.

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01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 2: Think you're upgrading starters really at this point that that

2191
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 2: are going to make that much of an impact. Those

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01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:21,439
Speaker 2: players don't move this time of year. If there's one,

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01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:24,320
Speaker 2: maybe Safety, and that's more about where the Patriots are at,

2194
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:28,080
Speaker 2: then who's available. I think the deadline it just get

2195
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:31,120
Speaker 2: and there was a report from Breer that they're going

2196
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:34,280
Speaker 2: to take a more long term approach to this trade deadline,

2197
01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:38,240
Speaker 2: which I like. So again that could be safety getting

2198
01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:40,800
Speaker 2: another running back and they don't need Alvin Kamara, but

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01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:43,720
Speaker 2: getting another body because you can't. We didn't really talk

2200
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:45,840
Speaker 2: that much about Reminder seems, and specifically we talked about

2201
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:48,479
Speaker 2: the run game. You have twenty touches. Yeah, when you

2202
01:43:48,479 --> 01:43:50,439
Speaker 2: start getting up near that number week in and week out,

2203
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:52,400
Speaker 2: we know what that does to him come December. So

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01:43:52,439 --> 01:43:56,080
Speaker 2: another guy that you trust ideally it becomes Travon Henderson,

2205
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:57,920
Speaker 2: but well he starts to figure it out. You know,

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01:43:58,000 --> 01:44:00,439
Speaker 2: somebody else that that can help you move the stick there,

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01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:04,400
Speaker 2: I think would be a really good addition. I talked

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01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:07,080
Speaker 2: about corner earlier, and then somebody that could be a linebacker,

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01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:08,920
Speaker 2: could be a safety, whatever. There's another one where it's

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01:44:08,920 --> 01:44:12,519
Speaker 2: maybe a starter ish level player, rotational player. Somebody can

2211
01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:15,000
Speaker 2: cover tight ends, because that thing still worries me and

2212
01:44:15,479 --> 01:44:17,160
Speaker 2: Marte Moffo got a little bit of run late in

2213
01:44:17,200 --> 01:44:18,840
Speaker 2: that game, look good. But if you can go out

2214
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:20,360
Speaker 2: and you get a tight end stop or it maybe

2215
01:44:20,439 --> 01:44:23,599
Speaker 2: only plays on third downs but can kind of slide

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01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:25,840
Speaker 2: into that role and sure up that role a little bit,

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01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:27,000
Speaker 2: I think there'd be value in that.

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01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:30,000
Speaker 4: I'm still I'm still focused on the spine of the defense.

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01:44:30,040 --> 01:44:31,920
Speaker 4: I think they have a really good first level spine

2220
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:35,920
Speaker 4: with Williams and Barmore Tonga. We know that second level.

2221
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:38,800
Speaker 4: Robert Splaine has really come in, you know, settled down,

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01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:43,040
Speaker 4: been much better. But that spot next to Robert Spuline

2223
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:45,719
Speaker 4: feels like it's a wild card right now. Like Christian

2224
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:48,639
Speaker 4: Ellis gets some run there, Jack Gibbons gets some run there,

2225
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:50,880
Speaker 4: and now Tavia gets a few snaps a game there,

2226
01:44:51,439 --> 01:44:54,280
Speaker 4: it feels like it's Robert Splaine and right now, like

2227
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:56,360
Speaker 4: that other guy is just kind of a mystery box.

2228
01:44:56,840 --> 01:44:59,840
Speaker 4: Safety I think is still a position that of me.

2229
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:02,760
Speaker 4: I think Kyle Dugger's actually played pretty well. I would

2230
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:06,240
Speaker 4: like to see Kyle Dugger keep playing. It's nothing against

2231
01:45:06,280 --> 01:45:09,160
Speaker 4: Jalen Hawkins, and I'm sure when they get back to

2232
01:45:09,240 --> 01:45:11,600
Speaker 4: full health with Jalen Hawkins, he will slide back in

2233
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:14,879
Speaker 4: for the most part. But I actually think Kyle Duggar's

2234
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:17,280
Speaker 4: played really good outside of one play in New Orleans

2235
01:45:17,320 --> 01:45:19,519
Speaker 4: where they left him out to dry on a blitz

2236
01:45:19,560 --> 01:45:21,880
Speaker 4: and I don't put that play on him. Zach Korr

2237
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:24,200
Speaker 4: talked about it last week. He took the fall for

2238
01:45:24,240 --> 01:45:26,960
Speaker 4: that one, as I thought he should. Like, I really

2239
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:30,280
Speaker 4: feel like Kyle Duggar has played two solid games and

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01:45:30,360 --> 01:45:33,479
Speaker 4: for Jalen Hawkins, so maybe they get Kyle Dugger back

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01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:36,720
Speaker 4: to like twenty two to twenty three Kyle Duggar, and

2242
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:39,880
Speaker 4: that safety room doesn't look quite as barren. But I

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01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:42,200
Speaker 4: still watch a film, I still see the middle of

2244
01:45:42,240 --> 01:45:45,679
Speaker 4: the field wide open too often, So I'm looking linebacker,

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01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:48,320
Speaker 4: I'm looking safety and running back I think is the

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01:45:48,360 --> 01:45:51,280
Speaker 4: other one. Look, if they have an opportunity to trade

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01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:54,679
Speaker 4: for a real premium player, the position really doesn't matter

2248
01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:58,120
Speaker 4: all that much. But I will say the talk about

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01:45:58,280 --> 01:46:00,800
Speaker 4: the edge rusher spot to me is a little odd.

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01:46:01,160 --> 01:46:01,800
Speaker 2: Long term.

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01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:05,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, but I find it hard to believe that

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01:46:05,680 --> 01:46:07,880
Speaker 4: they're going to acquire somebody at the deadline better than

2253
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:10,680
Speaker 4: Landry or Chase on And we're already in this this

2254
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:15,920
Speaker 4: uh like situation with you know, Keon White and Britanny Jennings,

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01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:18,200
Speaker 4: Like these guys can't get on the field. Well so

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01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:21,720
Speaker 4: I but I really quickly that depth evaporated a couple

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01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:22,840
Speaker 4: of weeks ago, right.

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01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:23,080
Speaker 6: It did.

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01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:25,280
Speaker 4: But that's but that's like true at any position. Like

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01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 4: if you have a rash of injuries at one position

2261
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:30,280
Speaker 4: where multiple guys go down with injuries, then you're gonna

2262
01:46:30,280 --> 01:46:31,200
Speaker 4: have depth problems.

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01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:34,920
Speaker 2: I just Caleb adding Caleb Murphy to me should be

2264
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:38,080
Speaker 2: maybe I don't want to say it's enough there, but like, yeah,

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01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:40,160
Speaker 2: I trust it. If they need Caleb Murphy to play

2266
01:46:40,160 --> 01:46:42,280
Speaker 2: tense snaps a game, get after the passer, I trust

2267
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:42,800
Speaker 2: me to do that.

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01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:46,280
Speaker 4: I'm just a little bit surprised about the conversations to

2269
01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:50,280
Speaker 4: like edge and wide receiver surprises me. Now if it's

2270
01:46:50,479 --> 01:46:52,759
Speaker 4: Trey Hendrickson or A J. Brown, that's a different cover.

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01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:55,000
Speaker 2: So that's the thing I think people just need to

2272
01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:59,640
Speaker 2: kind of look at the like note the perspective, the

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01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:02,360
Speaker 2: Trey deadline is not about long term needs. Edge is

2274
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:04,679
Speaker 2: a long term need. Wide receivers a long term need.

2275
01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:08,040
Speaker 2: Guard is a long term need. You're not getting the

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01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:12,600
Speaker 2: players to fill those spots at the trade deadline. The

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01:47:12,680 --> 01:47:15,000
Speaker 2: NFL doesn't work that. Most leagues don't work that way.

2278
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:17,880
Speaker 2: It's super rare that those caliber players get moved in

2279
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:19,960
Speaker 2: any We get talked about more in other leagues in

2280
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:24,280
Speaker 2: the NFL, but like you don't, you know, trade deadline,

2281
01:47:24,280 --> 01:47:27,280
Speaker 2: you're talking about rounding out depths, right, rounding out depth,

2282
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:31,760
Speaker 2: maybe getting you know, a rotational player. Even rentals in

2283
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:33,840
Speaker 2: the NFL isn't that common because the nature of the

2284
01:47:33,880 --> 01:47:35,800
Speaker 2: sport and you know, coming in cold to learn a

2285
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:38,559
Speaker 2: system and things like that at certain positions just really

2286
01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:43,599
Speaker 2: doesn't make it realistic. So I, you know, we're really

2287
01:47:43,640 --> 01:47:46,120
Speaker 2: talking about depth and rotational play. Yes, edges a long

2288
01:47:46,200 --> 01:47:48,160
Speaker 2: term need. I don't know that you know, they're not

2289
01:47:48,280 --> 01:47:50,360
Speaker 2: answering that here in the next two weeks, so.

2290
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:53,880
Speaker 4: Really quickly, we only have two more minutes. But I

2291
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:55,920
Speaker 4: I also wonder what kind of calls they're getting for

2292
01:47:55,960 --> 01:47:58,600
Speaker 4: their own players and teams that might be interested in

2293
01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:01,640
Speaker 4: Patriot players. And the one player that I go to

2294
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:05,040
Speaker 4: in that category is Keon White. Keon White, to me,

2295
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:08,000
Speaker 4: just isn't built to be a four to three end

2296
01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:10,000
Speaker 4: like they're trying to make him out to be. He's

2297
01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:12,360
Speaker 4: not flexible enough, he's not bendy enough. It's not a

2298
01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:14,680
Speaker 4: knock on him, it's just not his skill set. And

2299
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:16,760
Speaker 4: I think he's struggling a little bit to get off

2300
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:19,160
Speaker 4: blocks out there, and especially in the pass rush. He

2301
01:48:19,240 --> 01:48:21,400
Speaker 4: just doesn't have to get off and the bend to

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01:48:21,439 --> 01:48:25,000
Speaker 4: play outside the tackle consistently at a high level. He

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01:48:25,120 --> 01:48:28,240
Speaker 4: is a really, really good interior pass rusher, Like the

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01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:30,280
Speaker 4: numbers bear it out. Last year, he is one of

2305
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:32,840
Speaker 4: the most productive interior pass rushers in the league on

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01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:37,240
Speaker 4: a person app basis if you're another team, And so, really,

2307
01:48:37,240 --> 01:48:39,439
Speaker 4: what the point I'm getting at is right now, Keon

2308
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:43,600
Speaker 4: White is basically insurance for Milton Williams and Christian Barmore. Like,

2309
01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:45,920
Speaker 4: if one of those guys goes down, you can put

2310
01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:48,559
Speaker 4: Keon White on the third down pass rush in the

2311
01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:51,559
Speaker 4: interior and there's not a steep drop off. Now there's

2312
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:54,559
Speaker 4: a drop off, but he's a similar player enough to

2313
01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:56,800
Speaker 4: like a Milton Williams that if Milton Williams were to

2314
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:59,080
Speaker 4: miss some time, they might be able to get away

2315
01:48:59,120 --> 01:49:02,120
Speaker 4: with Keon White as their three technique on third down

2316
01:49:02,680 --> 01:49:06,080
Speaker 4: for a couple of snaps a game. Are other teams

2317
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:09,439
Speaker 4: that need interior pass rush help that are more desperate

2318
01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:12,120
Speaker 4: for it, that don't have the bodies on the inside.

2319
01:49:12,400 --> 01:49:15,679
Speaker 4: Are they calling about Keon White? And what are they offering?

2320
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:18,880
Speaker 4: Because right now he's a man with that a home

2321
01:49:19,120 --> 01:49:22,040
Speaker 4: in this defense, and I just wonder if he's one

2322
01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:24,600
Speaker 4: guy that might get moved. What do you what do

2323
01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:26,120
Speaker 4: you think his market would be? We don't, we have

2324
01:49:26,160 --> 01:49:26,920
Speaker 4: to be quick, but.

2325
01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have no idea. Probably a Day three pick.

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01:49:29,439 --> 01:49:31,479
Speaker 2: Most of these guys end up going for Day three picks. Yeah,

2327
01:49:31,479 --> 01:49:35,080
Speaker 2: it's interesting, now, like player for player, could you you know,

2328
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:37,280
Speaker 2: I don't know that you're moving him for like a

2329
01:49:37,320 --> 01:49:41,720
Speaker 2: brief hall but Jerome Forward, yeah, something like that. Like

2330
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:43,240
Speaker 2: I'd be interested in moving him in a player for

2331
01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:43,800
Speaker 2: player deal.

2332
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:46,040
Speaker 4: I wonder if those more of those happen now that

2333
01:49:46,400 --> 01:49:49,200
Speaker 4: you know, we sort of get into this trade heavy

2334
01:49:49,240 --> 01:49:50,800
Speaker 4: because I do think there's gonna be a lot of

2335
01:49:50,840 --> 01:49:52,439
Speaker 4: trades in the NFL.

2336
01:49:52,479 --> 01:49:53,320
Speaker 3: All right, we gotta go.

2337
01:49:53,640 --> 01:49:56,479
Speaker 4: Patriots Unfiltered will be up here at noon in just

2338
01:49:56,520 --> 01:49:59,360
Speaker 4: about ten minutes. We'll be back next week. We'll be

2339
01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:02,040
Speaker 4: talking about this Cleveland Browns game.

2340
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:02,879
Speaker 3: But I'm really.

2341
01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:06,320
Speaker 4: Excited to talk about the Atlanta Falcons. We talked so

2342
01:50:06,439 --> 01:50:09,639
Speaker 4: much about Michael Pennix during the draft process. Hopefully he's

2343
01:50:09,640 --> 01:50:11,880
Speaker 4: healthy and playing in that game. I do think they

2344
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:13,960
Speaker 4: have a lot of talent in Atlanta and when they

2345
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:16,720
Speaker 4: put it together, mostly at home, but when they put

2346
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:19,200
Speaker 4: it together, you see that. So I'm interested in that

2347
01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:21,320
Speaker 4: game as well. We'll see you guys next week.

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01:50:21,320 --> 01:50:21,960
Speaker 2: Thanks for watching.

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01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:28,000
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2350
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:29,760
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