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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it,

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Speaker 1: joined us always buy our bar. Here is Evan Lazar

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Speaker 1: and Alex Bars. I promised you all, and I promised

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Speaker 1: Alex that I wasn't going to get duped by taekwon again. Right,

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Speaker 1: we're not doing taekwon again? Sounds like you're about to

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Speaker 1: or are we doing taekwan again?

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Speaker 2: No, because I've seen this.

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Speaker 1: Are we doing it again or not? Well? Taekwon in

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Speaker 1: the practice? Can you hear me? Or I can't hear myself?

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Speaker 2: I can hear it?

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, whatever, Oh there we go. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Weird morning anyways, taekwon in this last practice

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Maybe we're back to not doing taekwon again.

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Speaker 1: So this is this is the seesaw that we ride

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Speaker 1: right when this time of year, where it's based off

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Speaker 1: day he's invisible. We'll get to all of that, but

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Speaker 1: it's Evan Lazar, Alex Barth Patriots Catch twenty two. Here

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Speaker 1: with you for the next couple of hours ahead of

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Speaker 1: Patriots unfiltered at noon, and we got a lot to

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Speaker 1: talk about. We got a lot to talk about from

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Speaker 1: OTA's on Tuesday. Next week will be mandatory minicamp for

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Speaker 1: Wednesday night. So a big time of year right now,

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Speaker 1: if you had to give three headlines, yea, from this

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Speaker 2: So, just this practice, not the first three years, well, just.

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Speaker 1: This practice, just this practice on Tuesday. If you there

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Speaker 1: are three headlines that you had to give that would say,

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Speaker 1: you know you, if you just wanted like a five

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Speaker 1: minute version of this show, you know, these are the

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Speaker 1: three things that happened at practice on Tuesday. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: give all three of you to them, and then we're

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Speaker 1: gonna unpack them as we do individually.

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Speaker 2: Right. I did that on ninety five. The sports of

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Speaker 2: people want to check it out.

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Speaker 1: Yah, we both did. Patriots dot Com. There you go,

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Speaker 1: Well they know that for me, but anyways, uh, here

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Speaker 1: we go. Number one. I think as an overarching Drake

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Speaker 1: made his overall development right now because not only did

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Speaker 1: it's if it holds that he is taking reps behind

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Speaker 1: So let's see if it holds next week. But it

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Speaker 1: But back to number one, Drake May's overall development and

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Speaker 1: I loved what Alex van Pelt said that it's a marathon,

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Speaker 1: And the other element of it is that talking a

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Speaker 1: He's picking up what they're putting down. That's the sense

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Speaker 1: so for both quarter for both quarterbacks. The one that

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Speaker 2: it's like you gotta throw the ball, Yeah you got

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Speaker 2: This is we've seen athletic quarterbacks change our brains here.

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Speaker 1: So then tell that to the other fifty two guys

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Speaker 1: But three for ten Jacoby Brissett, who it's not, it's.

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Speaker 2: Not he said, we're not putting your we're not putting

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm not saying Citric Drake May all year.

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Speaker 2: I like that. Remember last year took them like five

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. The players aren't going it's never

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Speaker 2: I have no problem putting Drake May behind him. Then

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Speaker 2: you're don't put that word in my mouth. I there

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Speaker 2: if they get Will Campbell, if they get Kelvin Banks,

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Speaker 1: We need to get over the hump and like out

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Speaker 2: it's not gonna be great, Like you said, the players

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Speaker 2: I'm not there. They don't need to be perfect, but

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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be better than it was last

433
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Speaker 1: year on its own, just organically, but it's not going

434
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Speaker 1: to be much better than what we think we're projecting.

435
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Speaker 2: So I guess I have this belief too that to

436
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Speaker 2: go back to my point before back, you can't really

437
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Speaker 2: evaluate offensive line play until the regular season unless they

438
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Speaker 2: just play everybody. I think there will be some natural

439
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 2: growth in once guys start playing regular like they did.

440
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Speaker 2: The personnel didn't change last year, and the offensive line marginally,

441
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Speaker 2: but it got better as the year went on. Some

442
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Speaker 2: of that was some Some of that was they they made,

443
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 2: they moved guys around, they figured out their best five.

444
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 2: They finally put Mike and Win right tackle. The other

445
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Speaker 2: thing I think is just the guys got used to

446
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 2: playing with each other, and I think that helped a

447
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Speaker 2: little bit.

448
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Speaker 3: So I.

449
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Speaker 4: It.

450
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be that bad all season.

451
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Speaker 2: I just think it could be really bad to start.

452
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 2: So work the bugs out before you put it. He's

453
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Speaker 2: gonna have to do with pressure. I'm not saying don't

454
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Speaker 2: put him back there until he never sees pressure. You know,

455
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 2: you can't risk him taking one hit. That's not how

456
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Speaker 2: football works. It's a nice thought, but it's not how

457
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Speaker 2: football works. What I'm saying is.

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Speaker 1: Just do.

459
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Speaker 2: Whatever the five is. I don't know that you can

460
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Speaker 2: have definitive confidence. And this this isn't just Patriots things.

461
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Speaker 2: This is again because of the way these practices work

462
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Speaker 2: and the preseason works. I don't know that you can

463
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Speaker 2: have definitive confidence in your offensive line week one as

464
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Speaker 2: an NFL team. I think it's exacerbated when you have

465
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Speaker 2: the situation the Patriots have.

466
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Speaker 1: To me, this is where coming back to the same thing.

467
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Speaker 1: It's such a out of all the things that they've

468
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Speaker 1: done this offseason. I want to give Elliott wolf in

469
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Speaker 1: this front office a passing grade for this offseason because

470
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Speaker 1: I think they've done a pretty solid job all around.

471
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Speaker 1: But the way that they've handled this tackle position and

472
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Speaker 1: the fact that we are having a conversation that isn't

473
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Speaker 1: necessarily that Drake May isn't going to be ready, but

474
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Speaker 1: it's the support, not just that.

475
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Speaker 2: It's a conversation we've been having since we first got

476
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Speaker 2: on the beat in twenty eighteen. Who's going to be

477
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Speaker 2: the left tackle.

478
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Speaker 1: It is a frustrating place to be in and just

479
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: putting my fan heat on for a second, it's annoying.

480
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 1: And again, this is no disrespect to Jacoby Brissett. It

481
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Speaker 1: really isn't. But it's annoying as a fan that I

482
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Speaker 1: am going to have to watch Jacoby Brissett play quarterback

483
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 1: for the Patriots when I know I have this Ferrari

484
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 1: that's just sitting in the garage right That to me

485
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: is just frustrating. Now, we talked about some of the

486
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Speaker 1: results for drink Mane. It wasn't perfect on Tuesday. So

487
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Speaker 1: I don't want people to get it twisted that I'm

488
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Speaker 1: saying that he's been perfect and it's been light years

489
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Speaker 1: ahead of everybody else. The interceptions are are what they are.

490
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Speaker 1: People are gonna make mistakes, especially a rookie quarterback still

491
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Speaker 1: learning an offense and still going through his first handful

492
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Speaker 1: of NFL practices, that's going to happen. My read on

493
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Speaker 1: both interceptions, we'll start. Let's start there. The first one,

494
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Speaker 1: he just airmails it. He just it, and that to

495
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Speaker 1: me is a little bit more concerning than the second

496
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Speaker 1: one because that's the mist that I'm innticipating that he's

497
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Speaker 1: going to have in the league, because that's what's all

498
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: over his North Carolina tape.

499
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Speaker 2: Look, I've seen Josh Allen throw that ball a number

500
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Speaker 2: of times. That was a Josh Allen esque interception where

501
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 2: he had Juju Smith Schuster wide open and put it

502
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Speaker 2: what ten yards behind him.

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Speaker 1: It's funny because I don't think that he's really done

504
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Speaker 1: that to this point in the practices that we've seen.

505
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Speaker 1: That's the first time that I've seen him really lose controlled. Yeah,

506
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: maybe he's missed marginally, but generally accurate. That was the

507
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Speaker 1: first time that I saw one of those North Carolina

508
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: you know, five yards over the guy's head, Like, whoa

509
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Speaker 1: where did that? Where was that one going? So that

510
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: was that I'm expecting him to have those interceptions early on,

511
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: or not even necessarily interceptions, but just misses early on

512
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Speaker 1: as he works through this mechanically. The second one is

513
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Speaker 1: just a miscommunication. You know, he read Man Gipson red zone.

514
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 1: They were on different pages. Those things will be.

515
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Speaker 2: Iron and that's that interception. Is while I want to

516
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Speaker 2: make sure they maximize it reps, because that's something you

517
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: only figure out by drilling it again and again and

518
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: again and with the players that you're gonna be on

519
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Speaker 2: the field with.

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Speaker 1: The one thing I didn't like though, okay, the one

521
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Speaker 1: thing I didn't love, and this comes back to if

522
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Speaker 1: you're gonna play him early, I didn't love his body

523
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Speaker 1: language after the first interception. I felt like he was

524
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Speaker 1: pretty frustrated with himself that he missed that throw and

525
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 1: was it wasn't full on mac you know, meltdown, but

526
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Speaker 1: it was a you could tell there was a difference

527
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Speaker 1: in his energy and his body language after he threw

528
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Speaker 1: the pick. And if you're gonna throw him out there

529
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Speaker 1: early in his career and he's gonna make mistakes, he's

530
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Speaker 1: gonna get pressured, and he's gonna have turnovers, then he's

531
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Speaker 1: gonna have to be a little bit more, a little

532
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Speaker 1: bit more like a goldfish, right, Like he's gonna have

533
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Speaker 1: to be able to forget those things a little bit quicker. Now,

534
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Speaker 1: it's one practice. It was one throw. Maybe I'm making

535
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Speaker 1: too much out of it, and I'm not necessarily making

536
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Speaker 1: a big deal out of it, But let's see what

537
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Speaker 1: it looks like if that compounds itself and we see

538
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Speaker 1: it over training camp. He's gonna throw interceptions in training camp,

539
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Speaker 1: so let's see what it looks like. But that that

540
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 1: element of it, like if he's going to if he's

541
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Speaker 1: gonna respond poorly to adversity early on, and then you're

542
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: gonna do your thing where he's throwing you're throwing them

543
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: out there behind a patchwork offensive line and receivers that

544
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: still aren't necessarily at the level that they want them

545
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Speaker 1: to be. That is more concerning to me because you

546
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Speaker 1: don't want it to become a mental thing like it

547
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Speaker 1: did with Mac Jones, where it breaks him that he's

548
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Speaker 1: having not having success right out of the gate.

549
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Speaker 2: And that's where you know, it sucks that we only

550
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Speaker 2: get to go to like select ones of these practices

551
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Speaker 2: because I would have loved to go I think they

552
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Speaker 2: practice again on Wednesday, right or today, whenever the next

553
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Speaker 2: practice is. I would have loved to go out there

554
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Speaker 2: the next practice and see how we responded, because those

555
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 2: were both I don't think there was two last throws,

556
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Speaker 2: but they were like two of his last three or

557
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: four throws, like yeah, and it wasn't a good end

558
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Speaker 2: for him, and I right, I just feel like it

559
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: just he had that those moments. In seven seven, he

560
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 2: throws a touchdown pass the Juju Smith Schuster, which was

561
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: a great throw, and then he does a little side

562
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: arm you'll drop the arm angle and rip a throw

563
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 2: to Pop Douglas in the back of the end zone.

564
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 2: That was another great throw. In seven on seven I

565
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Speaker 2: was like, Okay, here we go. This is you know,

566
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Speaker 2: what we hope to see, and you see these isolated flashes.

567
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Speaker 2: Which is why I think I'm so optimistic, is because

568
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: that's what you want. You're not expecting a rookie quarterback

569
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Speaker 2: in his like eighth NFL practice to be this consistent

570
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: juggernaut right out of the gate. You're just expecting to

571
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: see some flashes of the arm, talent and the ability,

572
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Speaker 2: and we've certainly seen that, but now it's it's about

573
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Speaker 2: handling adversity, because the adversity is going to come, especially

574
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Speaker 2: on this team if he plays in year one.

575
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Speaker 1: So I'm with you. I wish we could be back

576
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Speaker 1: out there again. We were supposed to maybe be up

577
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: back out there on Friday, but I don't think they

578
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: are having practice or they're doing something different or something

579
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: like that. So we'll be out there on Monday and

580
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: next week for a mini camp and we'll see. We'll

581
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: see if he's able to bounce back. You know, he's

582
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: gonna throw picks, he's gonna get sacked, he's gonna make mistakes.

583
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Speaker 1: How do you respond to those? I think is most important,

584
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 1: just because you don't want it to bury him. You know,

585
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: you don't want it to compound on itself and become

586
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: like a mac Jones situation where he becomes mentally broken.

587
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: And I understand that that why people feel that way.

588
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: I just think again, you know, to go back to

589
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Speaker 1: Jacob Briset, because I feel like we don't talk enough

590
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: about Jacoby Brisset. It's not as interesting. But Jacoy Brissett

591
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: right now. Alex van Pelt came out and said it

592
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Speaker 1: before practice that he's the starter right now, and he's

593
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Speaker 1: repping like the starter. He's still having the vast majority,

594
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Speaker 1: not the majority is the wrong word. He's still having

595
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Speaker 1: the lion's share of the snaps. I think it was

596
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Speaker 1: in competitive reps it was like twenty four for Jacoby Brissett,

597
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: ten fourteen for Drake May, ten for ZAPPI I think

598
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: is how it ended up breaking out right, And so

599
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brisset is still getting the lion's share of the reps,

600
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Speaker 1: which is different from how it was. Let's say Cam

601
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Speaker 1: Newton's year with mac Jones. Mac Jones was getting all

602
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Speaker 1: the reps, but Cam Newton was going the first team reps.

603
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Speaker 1: So this is still Jacob Brissett's team as of right now.

604
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Speaker 1: The one thing I would just say with Jacoby Brissette

605
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: that I saw on Tuesday was just seemed a little off.

606
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: And maybe this comes down to we should also put

607
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: the caveat on all this that they this was the

608
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Speaker 1: first time they did red zone. So they did red

609
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: zone in the classroom, right, they take it to from

610
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: the classroom on the white board or whatever they use now.

611
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: Then they did it against air. They ran routes against air, which,

612
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: by the way, the routes against air that they did

613
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Speaker 1: early on in practice where they were just practicing the

614
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: same routes they were going to throw in the drills.

615
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: The routes against air weren't great either. They were missing.

616
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: They were missing throws against air even in some circumstances.

617
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Speaker 1: And then they brought in the defense and they played

618
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Speaker 1: seven on seven to eleven on eleven. Jacoby Brissett just

619
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Speaker 1: seemed like he was making guys make acrobatic catches too much,

620
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: you know, just a little bit off, like a little

621
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Speaker 1: ahead of guy or a little high or whatever. So

622
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Speaker 1: maybe those things start to iron themselves out once they

623
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Speaker 1: get more reps in this offense and in this red

624
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: zone install But just in general, I think he's been steady,

625
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: but I just I have not been blown away. He's

626
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: probably still their most consistent quarterback as of right now.

627
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Speaker 1: But that's experience and just you know, all. Yeah, but

628
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Speaker 1: I just feel like we we kind of knew what

629
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Speaker 1: jacoley Brissette was and I don't feel like I was

630
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: wrong or we were wrong about our read on it

631
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: coming in.

632
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, i'd agree with that. I think there's been

633
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: times where, you know, he definitely looks better than he

634
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: was the first time here. That's expected. He's made some

635
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: nice throws, but you're right, he is what he is.

636
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. Do you want to talk about the kickoffs?

637
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Speaker 2: Yes?

638
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: So the Patriots practiced kickoffs for the first time last

639
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Speaker 1: week or on Tuesday. Keep saying last week, I don't

640
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: even know what feels like last week on Tuesday. And

641
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Speaker 1: it was interesting because there's a few things that I

642
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: believe a lot of teams are going to do.

643
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Speaker 2: Yep.

644
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: The first thing is you're going to have two returners back. Yeah,

645
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Speaker 1: I feel like that's a lock. I think the only

646
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: reason you wouldn't is if you have a Cordero Patterson.

647
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: Excuse me for dating myself.

648
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Speaker 2: Dante Hall like an elite elite returner, and it's not

649
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: you know, we just want to block for this guy.

650
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: We want an extra blocker out there because this guy's electric.

651
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: And if you put a second returner out there, they're

652
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: gonna kick it away from this guy because you can't.

653
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: In the past, you would like if if you didn't

654
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: want to kick it to like a Devin Hester, right,

655
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: you kick it out of bounce, which I guess you

656
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: can still do, or you could squib it and kick

657
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: it to one of the up men. You can't do

658
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: that now. If there's one guy back, you're either giving

659
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: them the ball in the forty or you're kicking it

660
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: to him. You can't kick it to a guy standing

661
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: like to twenty five and hope to tackle it like

662
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: some slow, fat blocker and hope to tackle him.

663
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: Because it's not dancers.

664
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 2: There's a landing zone, right, and the returner is the

665
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: only one in the landing zone. So the only reason

666
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: I think you would have one guy back, which I

667
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: don't know. How do the Patriots feel about Jalen Rager.

668
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: I don't think he'd be at quite that level, at

669
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: least not yet. Maybe he proves to be, but unless

670
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: you have that, you know that that Devin Hester Hall

671
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 2: of Fame level, Hall of Fame level returner. Patterson's the

672
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: only guy in the league I can think of unless

673
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: the Dolphins are gonna put Tyreek Hill back there, Uh,

674
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: that you would go one returner for.

675
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: To me, the biggest thing I think for for the

676
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: one returner is that you can it's easier in my

677
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: mind to now directional kick it. So if the returner

678
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: is in the middle of the field, I guess it's

679
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: a little bit different, But I don't imagine that the

680
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: hangtime is going to be quite the same on the kick.

681
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: So on a punt, for example, you have four and

682
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: a half five four seconds to get down there. On

683
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: a kickoff, it's you have a runway to get down

684
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: there the way.

685
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: But here's the problem. So you're saying bounce it to

686
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: force the returner to get over and maybe like gas

687
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: and running to the ball. The problem is if you

688
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: hit that wrong, the returner's just gonna let it roll

689
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: out of bounce. Yeah, but zone, I think the penalty, well, they.

690
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: Well can roll in the end zone, correct. I mean,

691
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: it's just a touchback, but it comes out to the

692
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: third comes out further. Now, it comes out to the thirty. Yeah,

693
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: it's not that big of a difference. Do you want

694
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: to give up five yards teams? I believe teams are

695
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: gonna start to do that because it's.

696
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: It's gonna be just start banging touchbacks. Maybe it won't

697
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: happen this year, but if they're just like, oh'll give

698
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 2: you a ball to thirty, they'll move that up next

699
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: year to late the thirty five.

700
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: It just looks to me, based off of how the

701
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: Patriots were experimenting with kicking the ball, based off the

702
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: fact that the Chiefs are already talking about putting Justin

703
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: Reid as the kickoff so that they have a tackler.

704
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: There just all these different elements that it's gonna be

705
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: more of a line drive type kick than it is

706
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: going to be a true you know sale.

707
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: And I think there'll be different kind of kicks for

708
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: different different Like what are you trying to set up

709
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: as the coverage team. I think you'll you'll see teams

710
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: will use but like kind of like in the past,

711
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: I think teams will use both.

712
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: Probably the biggest thing to me is again two returners,

713
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: then the blocking scheme. The way the Patriots were doing it,

714
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: it does feel like it's going to be a running play, yeah,

715
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: where essentially you are trying to run some form of

716
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: lead power. And I say lead power, lead like a

717
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: full back leading through the middle of the hole. And

718
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: I think what will be interesting is is that if

719
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 1: you have two returners back there, then the second guy

720
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: that doesn't get the ball almost becomes a lead blocker

721
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 1: for the guy that does get in.

722
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: What assuming he can. Some of these returners are small.

723
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: That's fair. So I haven't I have an take on.

724
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: That, okay, because I was gonna say, if you're gonna

725
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: put you know, well, so maybe this makes Shaheen Bell

726
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: idea because I was just trying to think of like

727
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 2: a fullback type. But like in the past, right, let's

728
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: say they're gonna put James Devilon back there with whoever

729
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 2: with James White. Right well, now, if I'm the kicking team,

730
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 2: I'm just kicking it to James Devlin and maybe James

731
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: White runs over fields it and that's what you do.

732
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 2: But that's a long way he's going to have to go.

733
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: I think what you do is you put. So maybe

734
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: Jaheen Bell's the perfect guy for this because he can

735
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: block like a fallback, but he's shifty in space, so

736
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: if they kick the ball to him, you're going to

737
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: get something from him too.

738
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: So I have an opinion on this, Okay, I'll just

739
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: get right into it. When you watch the way that

740
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: it's going to happen, yeah, it feels a little bit

741
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: more almost like a punt now than a true kickoff.

742
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: Wait a little bit, and the respect that you and

743
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 1: my opinion, are going to have to make the first

744
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: guy miss, whereas in a kickoff you usually have the

745
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: first let's call it ten yards where there's you're.

746
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 2: Free, right, you have to make the last guy miss

747
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: on a kick off, right, So if you if you

748
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 2: on the old kickoff, you draw it up right, it's

749
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 2: you and the kicker that's the goal.

750
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 4: Right.

751
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: So in this I feel like it's either you want

752
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: to call it a punt, Yeah, you want to call

753
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: it a running play. It looks like a scrimmage play

754
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: where the running back needs to The running back is

755
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: usually always responsible for one player. Yeah, he's got to

756
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: make that guy miss set the second level to get

757
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: up in an explosive run to the third level. I

758
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: believe you're gonna have to have somebody back there that

759
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: has a little bit of quickness to him, like I

760
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: don't know if the Jalen Ragers of the world, and

761
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: Patterson's probably in his own category, but I don't know

762
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: if those old fashioned Jalen Ragers, Brandon Tate go back away,

763
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: that's just go a burner, straight line speed type of guy.

764
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: I feel like you're gonna have a lot more of

765
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones Pop Douglas because those guys the first guy

766
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: comes down because it's so it's such a short period,

767
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: like it's ten yards, And what I saw them have

768
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: trouble with on Tuesday is blocking that first guy through well.

769
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: But so they had a lot of early penetration where

770
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: that first guy is coming through and then now that's

771
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: the returner has got to make that guy miss. If

772
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: he makes that guy miss, then the blocking scheme might

773
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 1: set up behind it, right, but it's gonna be that

774
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: first point of attack player that is gonna be key.

775
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: And if you have somebody back there that has no wiggle,

776
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna get tackled inside the ten yard lit.

777
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: I don't I think Rager has some wiggle.

778
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: He might.

779
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying about, Like the straight line

780
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 2: like a Tae Kwon Thornton maybe wouldn't work as well

781
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 2: in a situation like this. But like you said, there's

782
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 2: gonna be blockers coming through clean. That's what worries me

783
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: about a smaller guy like Pop Douglas or Marcus Jones.

784
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: There's still gonna be big hits on these plays. And

785
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: do you want to expose those guys to that? I

786
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: you know, I go back to it, and I know

787
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: I just said it like James White would have been

788
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: so elite at this.

789
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: So so I have two returns back there, yeah, and

790
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: one of them is like Jaane Bell, Yeah, and one

791
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: of them is Marcus Jones. I feel like that's the

792
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: best combination.

793
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 2: Except if they kicked to Bell. Now, Marcus Jones is

794
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: kind of You're not gonna put Marcus Jones out to

795
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 2: the lead block.

796
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: Correct, But what if you're putting Marcus Jones out there

797
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: and are like fake a reverse? You could do that

798
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: or actually reverse it every once in a you.

799
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: Could you could Again, there's so many well, I think

800
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: you're gonna be able to run it like an option

801
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: where you just set up the reverse and whoever catches

802
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 2: the ball at that point makes the decision to hand

803
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 2: it off. And you know who would have been really

804
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 2: good at this. It's Malie Cunningham.

805
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: I think Marcus Jones canna be really good.

806
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: Mark. But I'm saying like a guy like Malie Cunningham,

807
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: who's been a quarterback and has experience at the mesh point,

808
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: you could do some really interesting stuff with a guy

809
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 2: like that. But Marcus Jones, I think Marcus Jones a

810
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 2: chance to be really good. Pop Douglas too. I just

811
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: don't know that I want to expose them to.

812
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 1: It, sure, but I'm interested to see the blocking schemes

813
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: that The idea of trying to make it into a

814
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: gap play where you're gonna fold over and then pull

815
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: somebody up or lead somebody through is good in theory,

816
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: and I understand why you would try to fold the

817
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: defense or fold the coverage unit in half like that.

818
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: But the problem is that I was seeing on Tuesday

819
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: was that it's too slow developing and since it's such

820
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: a close proximity of ten yards, if you don't get

821
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: that seal, then that guy's just threw to the ball.

822
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: Look, it was their first time doing it, so I'm

823
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: not gonna run right.

824
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying from a just watching it schematically

825
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: and where the problems might arise not necessarily.

826
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 2: We talked about this last week or two weeks ago,

827
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: didn't we both say that, like we would block it

828
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 2: like a zone play, not a gap play.

829
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: I feel like that's probably the best way to do it,

830
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: is to almost block it like inside zone, where there

831
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: is a double team at one point side zone. Well,

832
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 1: outside zone is a little bit different because you're flowing

833
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: so far horizontally and then you're trying to like cut it, like.

834
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: If you have a fast enough returner, you could do that.

835
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: If you do inside zone, though, it's like door inside

836
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: zone and you have the double teams on the inside,

837
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: and those double teams will then combo and then go

838
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: up to the next level of the thing, So it

839
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: kind of would create like a nice like inside zone

840
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: type of look to it. I think that there is

841
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: a world where the gap play works, But I think

842
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: the way that the gap play works is if there's

843
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: some misdirection involved, which is where I feel like the

844
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: two returners come in and maybe some form of reverse

845
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: or something like that, whether it's fake it's almost like

846
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 1: jet motion, yeah, or something along those lines, where you're

847
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 1: not necessarily giving the ball to the guy that's coming

848
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: in motion every single time, but the threat of the

849
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: motion at least holds the backside of the defense for

850
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: that extra beat to allow you to set up the

851
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: blocking angles to these blocks.

852
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 2: Well, we've talked about this too that and I'm trying

853
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: to remember what they did on Tuesday, and I don't

854
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: know if this is like we can get in this.

855
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 2: But so that the blocking team or sorry, the kicking team,

856
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: besides the kicker, they're all gonna be lined up like

857
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: on the forty and oh, I remember where we talked.

858
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 2: We talked about zone defense, like dropping guys back, not

859
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: having everybody push at once. But they're all gonna be

860
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 2: lined up on the forty. They're not gonna start anybody back.

861
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: The return team. The blockers can be lined up between

862
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: the thirty and thirty five, so you can create some space.

863
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: You can have guys starting just off the line, which

864
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: does make it easier to move some people around.

865
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: So the last thing I wanted to talk about is

866
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: something that we were talking about during practice. Yeah, you

867
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: can't move until the ball hits the ground or the

868
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: return take. Yeah, so how are how are guys going

869
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: to position themselves so that they actually know when the

870
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: ball is live.

871
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 2: So I think I solve my own problem here. Okay,

872
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 2: So all right, so first to set it up right,

873
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 2: kicking team, you're looking, you're going to see the returner

874
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: and you're going to see the ball, so you know

875
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: as soon as the ball hits the ground, as soon

876
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: as the return catch that you can go. Wait. We

877
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: saw on Tuesday where there's some guys lined up and

878
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: they're like looking back over their shoulder to see when

879
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: the ball hits and look, I know it's not a

880
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,959
Speaker 2: ton of motion like turn back around and face forward,

881
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: but it's the NFL. Things happen fast. Guys are moving,

882
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: and that's split second it takes you to turn around.

883
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 2: A lot can happen. So how do you eliminate that

884
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: so you're starting at the same time that that the

885
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: kicking team is starting. I had a couple theories, and

886
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 2: I've figured one out after practice. One, if you're at home,

887
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: you just wait to hear the ball hit and you

888
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 2: do it off of sound. But that's where the crowd

889
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: can become a major factor in this play because I

890
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: think if you're the home team and you're if you're

891
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: a home fan and your team is kicking off, you

892
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: want to be loud. You want to be loud so

893
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 2: they can't hear the ball hit. If you're a home

894
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 2: fan and your team is returning, you want to be quiet,

895
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: or you have just one guy who's assigned to look

896
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 2: back and yell like go or whatever when the ball hits,

897
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: so everybody else knows. But again, crowd noise can be

898
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: a factor there, So how do you manage it? I

899
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: go home and I realize you look up at the scoreboard.

900
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: But that's where I hate. The new scoreboard is going

901
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: to come in handy.

902
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 2: Like does the play have to be up on the

903
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: scoreboard as it's going on? What's the rule about that?

904
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: Does it have to be in terms of like the

905
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: NFL rules of that. No, because you could have be

906
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: loud or let's go Patriots. I would so if I

907
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: were the home team, it's gamesmanship.

908
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 2: If I are the home team, I'm kicking off, No,

909
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: I wouldn't the kicking team. But what if you're If

910
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: I'm returning, then I would have it up there. There

911
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 2: could be a real home run. The point is whatever

912
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 2: ends up and the scoreboards on a little bit of

913
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: a delay too from what's happening on the field, So

914
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: that it's you know, there's going to be the return

915
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 2: team is going to have a little bit of a

916
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 2: delay on their start pretty much no matter what happens.

917
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 2: But that can be exacerbated or mitigated by the crowd.

918
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: There's going to be a real crowd home road imp

919
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: or there can be. Like fans have to be educated

920
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 2: on this. So if you're going to a game this year,

921
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 2: tell your friends kick off well loud, just like just

922
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 2: like offensive defense.

923
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 1: They should.

924
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: They should prompt them, they shut your like they do.

925
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: I'll talk to all right, we'll get straight up. But

926
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 2: like there could be so maybe I shouldn't be saying

927
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: maybe we should just tell Patriots fans else there could

928
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: be a real home road advantage on this play if

929
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: the crowd brings it.

930
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go up to her desk upstairs one day

931
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: and just be like, we have to talk about something. Yeah,

932
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: that's the when she's gonna be like, this is just ridiculous.

933
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: But I think the biggest thing that you look at

934
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: with this kickoff is that there's a lot of I

935
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: understand that some people are probably listening to this and

936
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: falling asleep, which is totally fine.

937
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 2: Well, if you're listening to this show. This is what

938
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 2: you're here for.

939
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: But I feel like there's so much to this that's

940
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: new and that's different, and it's significant. I mean, it's

941
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 1: a significant difference. And this is going to be very

942
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: very interesting even to you know, I'm like here with

943
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: special teams. You're here, and then peril.

944
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: Is you're not here.

945
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: Parola is on the ground. He's falling asleep right now.

946
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: But even he Paul said on on Tuesday that he

947
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: is a little bit intrigued by this because it's hard

948
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: not to be. It's it's an element that has changed

949
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: significantly in the game that's going to impact games. And

950
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 1: his theory and I wanted to float this with you, Okay.

951
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: His theory is is that early on there could be

952
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: some a ton of wonkiness, and if there is, then

953
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: it might just end up with teams just booming it

954
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: through the back of the end as well touchbacks.

955
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 2: What Jeremy Springer said last week was that the because

956
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 2: every team's going to try something different, right, everybody's going

957
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: to experiment with this differently, and within five or six

958
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,959
Speaker 2: years they'll probably be a consensus two or three ways

959
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 2: you do it, and that's what it'll be but the

960
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 2: teams that figure out the nuances in the ins and

961
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: outs of this first and have that kind of advantage

962
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: or have that like, are able to master elements of

963
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: this or find I don't want to say loopholes in it,

964
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: but like uncover strategies or whatever, they're going to be

965
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: at a massive, massive, massive advantage for the next year

966
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 2: or two. So I think this is something and teams

967
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: are probably piping a ton of resources into If I'm

968
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 2: an old XFL coach, I'm offering my services out to

969
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: the highest beder and the rules are a little different.

970
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: But you know, these are guys that are already game

971
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 2: planned for this and worked on this, and I'd be

972
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 2: using those guys as a resource. I'd be going back

973
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: off the XFL film. I'd be running this in practice

974
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: a ton Like there's gonna be a big advantage for

975
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: the teams that figure out how this works.

976
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: I also wonder how much we're gonna see them practice this.

977
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: We saw a lot of practice from Bill Belichick on

978
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: special teams. Yeah, we all know that this is gonna

979
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: have to be practiced. So training camp, here's the thing,

980
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: And I understand you want to hide some of the

981
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: schematic stuff. But you're just gonna have to trust the

982
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: reporters and you're gonna have to just go for it.

983
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: Because if you just go into Week one and you

984
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: haven't put anything in the preseason and you haven't put

985
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: anything into camp because you're so worried about what teams

986
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:51,959
Speaker 1: are gonna see and what teams are gonna learn about

987
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: your strategy, you're gonna be in a big, big trouble

988
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: come Week one.

989
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: I think maybe as we get closer to the preseason,

990
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: but I think this is gonna be something the team

991
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 2: hammer in that week and a half between when roster cuts,

992
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 2: and yeah, I think it's something we'll see some of it.

993
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: We'll certainly see some of it. They're gonna I don't

994
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 2: think you're gonna see any that being said, I don't

995
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 2: think you're gonna see anybody tip there. I do people

996
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: who have the real creative stuff drawn up. I don't

997
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: think you're gonna see that in the preseason. I think

998
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 2: you're gonna see everybody approach it very vanila in the preseason,

999
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: and then when we get to the regular season, that's

1000
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: when they're gonna get in the bag. I don't although

1001
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: I don't know because let's not forget in the two

1002
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: that remember, in that Hall of Fame game Titans Bills,

1003
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 2: Jeff Fisher broke out like the best fake punt design

1004
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: of all time in the most meaningless game. Yes, maybe

1005
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 2: somebody Jeff Fisher's it, but because like, why would you

1006
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: use that? It was such a good design. This is

1007
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 2: like the least meaningful of all the preseason games.

1008
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: There there will be. I would you think somebody's can

1009
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher it? If I'm a head coach in the league,

1010
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be a problem come playoff

1011
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: off December or January. But if I'm a head coach

1012
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: in the league, I'm terrified that I'm going to lose

1013
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: a game in September that's gonna end up coming up.

1014
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: So back to buy, I think because we give up

1015
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 1: two kickoff returns for touchdowns or something.

1016
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 2: But what I think you'll see teams do is go

1017
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: vanilla in the preseason, see how other teams react, and

1018
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 2: then try to draw it up. I I honestly would

1019
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: want to see how other teams are handling it before

1020
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 2: I start drawing my my, my, Like I might have ideas.

1021
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: We've talked about reverse plays option plays things like that,

1022
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: But I'd want to see how other teams react to

1023
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: it before because maybe somebody has something that, oh, a

1024
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: bunch of teams are reacting like this. I wasn't expecting

1025
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: that I need to adjust my strategy. So I think

1026
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: it's going to be pretty vanilla in the preseason and

1027
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 2: people are going to bitch about it and say it's

1028
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 2: stupid rule. But then once we get to the regular season,

1029
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: I think you're going to see teams start to get

1030
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 2: more creative.

1031
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: The last thing on this and I will move on.

1032
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: But the last thing I have on this, what are

1033
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: the odds that's some of these coaches are just kind

1034
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: of afraid to try some of the stuff that we've said,

1035
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: because I think there's pretty high where you hear a

1036
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: lot about this and scouting in the NFL. Where give

1037
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: you an example jam Bell. Interesting players, got skills, but

1038
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: is he a tight end, is he a running back?

1039
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: Is he a receiver? Where are we gonna play him?

1040
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: It's this puzzle that we have to solve to figure

1041
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: out how to use this player. This kickoff rule to me,

1042
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: for a lot of teams there, I feel like they're

1043
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: just gonna be like, oh, my God, this is We're

1044
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: not reversing, We're not squibbing, we're not putting Justin Reid

1045
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 1: on the kickoff. We're gonna boom it out the back

1046
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: of the end zone. For touchbacks, we're gonna block it vanilla,

1047
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: you know when we it's our turn and take touchbacks

1048
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 1: as often as we possibly can, because I'm just petrified

1049
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: that we're gonna try to reverse it and the reverse

1050
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: is gonna go wrong and then it's gonna be a touchdown.

1051
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 2: There might be a couple of coaches I feel like that,

1052
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 2: but one I would say special teams. Coaches are wild right.

1053
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 2: They want to have they want to let loose, they

1054
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 2: want to get creative, so they're gonna be pushing for it.

1055
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: And I no, I think there's gonna be coaches that

1056
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: if it's presented to them, well and they'll give it

1057
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: a shot because it's it could be a massive advantage.

1058
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 2: I don't we talk out the time, don't coach scared,

1059
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 2: don't be conservative, don't play to not lose. I think

1060
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 2: they're gonna be teams that see the advantage of let's

1061
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 2: give now. I think it will be some of the

1062
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: better teams because if you're the Chiefs. You can try something,

1063
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: it doesn't work, you just still gonna have a good

1064
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 2: shot to win the game because you're just so talented.

1065
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 2: The Ravens right, teams like that, Harba, I expect to

1066
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 2: be all over this. I expect the Ravens to be

1067
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 2: one of the best teams with this. But you might

1068
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 2: see you might get a couple scared a cat coaches.

1069
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 2: But I think for the most point, coaches are gonna.

1070
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: Not for the whole league. But I feel like there'll

1071
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: be a couple of teams and we'll shame them, we'll

1072
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: boot them all right. John is in LA. What's up? John?

1073
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: Hey guys, Hey, how you doing.

1074
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 3: I'm well. I I just want to say, first of all,

1075
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: that I followed you on the old show. I've been

1076
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 3: listening to PSW started, and I'm so happy that you

1077
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 3: guys are both in the fold and have this show,

1078
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 3: and it just shows a lot of hard work and

1079
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 3: sort of creating your own opportunities and it's really.

1080
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: Great to see. Thank you.

1081
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 3: Sure you guys have to steal Taylor and Catholic next

1082
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 3: next gen. Anyway, I had a question about Cayden Wallace,

1083
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 3: which I didn't know much about him when we drafted him.

1084
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,959
Speaker 3: I watched his video, like his interviews, and he's smart

1085
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 3: and personal, kind of like Damien Harris impressed me when

1086
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 3: we've drafted him. I was wondering if you guys could

1087
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 3: identify past prospects that made the switch from right tack

1088
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 3: of the left despite what you initially saw in film

1089
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 3: as a lack of traditional LT athleticism, and how much

1090
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 3: hope you have for him as a bridge this year.

1091
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 3: I mean, if he just maybe gets into games and

1092
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 3: play the left tackle, and also in terms of there's

1093
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 3: long term potential just on the team as a starter,

1094
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 3: maybe at right tackle, maybe they move a big mic

1095
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 3: back inside. Just have you ever seen that happen in

1096
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 3: the draft where you've seen someone and been like, I

1097
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: don't think he has the gent wouldn't play left, but

1098
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 3: that he did.

1099
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great question, John, and thanks for the call.

1100
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: Off the top of my head. I can't think of

1101
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 1: any Hall of Fame caliber you know, all Pro caliber

1102
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: players that have that have switched sides.

1103
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 2: Obviously not right out of the draft. I mean, like

1104
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 2: Penney Sewels moved around.

1105
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: So Penny Sewells was a right tackle in college and

1106
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: is a right tackle in the pro.

1107
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's played left a little bit, but right

1108
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 2: they kept him at right.

1109
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a right tackle. I think there's been guys

1110
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,720
Speaker 1: when you're down the depth chart that are swing tackles

1111
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,959
Speaker 1: to swing tackles that have to learn to play both

1112
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: sides to make an NFL roster. Adrian watch, but he's

1113
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: more talking about a guy that switched sides then went

1114
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: on to go and be really successful.

1115
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 2: And I think he's saying like specifically as a rookie,

1116
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: because I mean, I think, well, Nate Solder was a

1117
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: right tackle his rookie.

1118
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: Usually, I usually it's left to right right, not right

1119
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: to left, because in college, if you have a guy

1120
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: that might be playing left tackle in his college program

1121
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: because he's the best offensive lineman in that program. But

1122
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 1: then you get to the pros and sometimes they'll switch

1123
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: those guys over to right tackle, which for example, I

1124
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: think that might be happening in Los Angeles with the

1125
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 1: Chargers with Joe Alt because they average, so they're gonna

1126
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: have to figure that out. I've heard. I've heard it

1127
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 1: more going from left to right than right to left,

1128
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: mostly because you get into the pros and maybe you're

1129
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: not quite good enough to play on the left side

1130
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: for a team. So, but you're good enough to play

1131
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: on the right side in terms of pass pro and

1132
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: foot speed and that kind of stuff. But I haven't.

1133
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: Off the top of my head, I can't think of

1134
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: anybody that went on to have a really really successful

1135
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: career being a college right tackle and then a pro

1136
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: left tackle. Can it be?

1137
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 2: I might have one? Hang on I I'm trying to

1138
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 2: remember which side he played in college. So Ristin Wurfs

1139
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: played mostly right at Iowa, but he did switch to

1140
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: left his last year before he went into the draft, right,

1141
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 2: so he had some experience, and then he played right

1142
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: for three years in the NFL before he moved to left.

1143
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: So but that I just looked up, like, you know,

1144
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 2: right to left tight, and he's kind of the one

1145
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 2: that's held up well. He played three years at right

1146
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 2: and also had left actle experience in college. It it

1147
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 2: really doesn't happen.

1148
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: Not for a guy like Wallace chuk Sikora four we

1149
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: should mention did play left in college.

1150
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 2: So yeah, so he he's a little closer he has now.

1151
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: Granted that was seven years ago in the MAC, but

1152
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: he did.

1153
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: Hey, don't diss the MAC.

1154
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 2: Oh I'm dissing the MAC. I'm dissing the MAC. You

1155
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 2: think I would diss the MAC? How did dare you?

1156
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 5: Sir?

1157
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: You can't diss the MAC like that. Your that's yours?

1158
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 1: He was those are your people?

1159
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 2: Was he facing Max Crosby? He might have been facing.

1160
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: Max cross Western Michigan right, Uh, well.

1161
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 2: He was at Western, Max Crosby was at Eastern. But

1162
00:54:58,800 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 2: I just don't know if they were there at the

1163
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 2: same time.

1164
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: So it can be done. I feel like this is

1165
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: something that should be said. It's not impossible to switch sides.

1166
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: It's just not usually very common because if a guy

1167
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: is very good on the left side, or he's very

1168
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,240
Speaker 1: good on the right side, there's no reason to play

1169
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: sides with him right, there's no reason to switch him over.

1170
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I don't think it's totally

1171
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 1: out of the realm of possibility that Kate and Wallace

1172
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 1: can do it now. I still feel like, two years

1173
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: from now, are we talking about Caden Wallace playing right

1174
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: tackle for this team. I would take the percentages of

1175
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: that being yes, if I had to put a percentage

1176
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: on him eventually just going back over to the right

1177
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: side and sticking at right tackle. It's probably higher than

1178
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: I think he makes it at left, but it's not

1179
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: impossible to make it at left. This is an interesting

1180
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: question though, with their entire team right now, is that

1181
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: like you said earlier, it is just their configuration along

1182
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 1: the offensive line. I still feel like their best five

1183
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: along the offensive line is probably gonna have Cayden Wallace

1184
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: at right tackle. And maybe this is what you're talking

1185
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: about earlier, that it could take them five or six

1186
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: weeks to just succumb to that reality. The question really

1187
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: then boils down to on whenu and how much he

1188
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: cares about sticking at tackle versus moving inside. Now he's

1189
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: already paid, so I can't imagine that he's going to

1190
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: care that all that much. Either way, You're still paying

1191
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: m eighteen million dollars a year whether he's playing inside

1192
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: or outside. But I still believe that the best offensive

1193
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: line for them is Chukes is obviously from left to right,

1194
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: Chucks a left tackle, City Sow, David Andrews, Mike on

1195
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: wen Wu, Caden Ballas. It just might take some time

1196
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: for them to get to that point. But that's a

1197
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: big question. Can they make this switch happen and can

1198
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: Scott This is Scotti Peters's dojo? Right? Can he make

1199
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: this happen?

1200
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 2: All right? So I found it. So Chucks acor For

1201
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 2: and Max Crosby did face each other in college twenty seventeen.

1202
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 2: Max Crosby was rushing off the left side, so they

1203
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 2: didn't go ahead to head. In the twenty sixteen match up,

1204
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 2: Crosby got just one pressure on a core force he

1205
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 2: allowed to but Crosby got one of them in that game,

1206
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 2: and then in twenty fifteen, hang on, it'sloading, PFF's loading

1207
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 2: in twenty uh so a core foard didn't allow pressure

1208
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 2: in the twenty fifteen game, and Crosby didn't play before that.

1209
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 2: So held his own against Max Crosby the one time

1210
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 2: they met in college and nineteen I left tackle Crosby

1211
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 2: all right, and he was good in college. He wasn't

1212
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 2: you know, you know Toddy be this, but he's a

1213
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 2: good player in college. A third round pick, fourth round.

1214
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: Pick, Patty is an aguon what's up? Patty? What's up?

1215
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 3: Guys?

1216
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: How you doing?

1217
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 3: He do it right?

1218
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 5: Sorry, I'll take you out Bluetooth. So I just had

1219
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 5: a crazy scenario. I wanted to know what you guys think?

1220
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 2: Love it?

1221
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 4: How?

1222
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 5: How much would you love to see our beloved Patriots

1223
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 5: trade Bailey Zappy to the Jaguars for like future consideration?

1224
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 5: And that's the question. And I'll take it up here.

1225
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: Just to compete with Mac Jones. Thanks for the call, Patty.

1226
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: I assume that's what this is. It's just I think

1227
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: so that's something back in the quarterback room with Mac Jones.

1228
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 2: That's some like college football nonsense. For like, a guy

1229
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: transfers to another school because he wants to start, and

1230
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 2: then the guy he was trying to get away from

1231
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,919
Speaker 2: also transfers to that school. You see that in college

1232
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 2: football sometimes, like a backup quarterback will transfer and then

1233
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 2: there's a coaching change. So the starting quarterback he was

1234
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 2: trying to get away from transfers out and he just

1235
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 2: looks at it. He's like, I know I can beat

1236
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 2: out that guy. Beat him out before Drake May sort

1237
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 2: of did that.

1238
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: Well, he stayed who's the guy that he was with?

1239
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 2: I know, I can't remember who just transferred back to UNC.

1240
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: What's his name? It's on the tip of my tongue.

1241
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:46,439
Speaker 1: It's there's a quarterback. I'll tell the story as you're

1242
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: looking it up. I told you this, so there's a

1243
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: quarterback at North Carolina that Drake May beat out the

1244
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: year after Sam Howell went to the NFL. So Drake

1245
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: May's twenty twenty two season.

1246
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 2: Yes, and this guy was also a he's a four

1247
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 2: star like he wasn't just some random guys before.

1248
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: It, So Drake May beats him out. He ended up

1249
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: transferring to Arkansas. To Arkansas and Jacolby Criswell, Jacoby Chriswell,

1250
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: Colby Jacoby not Jacoby Jackoby down there, So Jacoby Chriswell

1251
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: ends up transferring to get away from Drake May. And

1252
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: Chriswell had started the year before when Hal was hurt

1253
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: over May, and then May goes the NFL obviously this year,

1254
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: and now Chriswall is back at North Carolina yep.

1255
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 2: Which I think is a strong testament to Drake May,

1256
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 2: because Chriswell clearly wants to be there, and he was like,

1257
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 2: I can't beat this guy out.

1258
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,160
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Speaker 1: New England Patriots. Sorry, I have a few more training

1267
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: camp or Ota thoughts. Yeah, I want to throw at you.

1268
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: And then we got to save like ten minutes at

1269
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: the end to talk a little Celtics, you know that.

1270
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: But some other things that stood out to me. There

1271
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: was a moment in practice when they were practicing kickoffs,

1272
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: and I promise we're done talking about kickoffs. I'm just

1273
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: this was what was happening during the kickoffs where I

1274
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: looked a teams then where I look to the right

1275
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: and Tyler Hughes, the Patriots wide receivers coach, was working

1276
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,439
Speaker 1: with one of the twelve receivers on the roster. There's

1277
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: twelve receivers on the roster. One guy was not involved

1278
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: in the special teams drills. It was Juju Smith Schuster,

1279
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: who Now it makes me realize, not that I didn't

1280
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: realize as already, but it was sort of a tangible

1281
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: moment of this is the highest paid receiver on the team.

1282
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: He has no role on special teams, and he's gonna

1283
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: have to, you know, back to your outright roster spot thing. Yeah,

1284
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: he's going to have to outright make the Patriots roster

1285
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: because he really doesn't have a whole lot of versatility

1286
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: or value right like other than that, and he's not

1287
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: doesn't have any trade value right now either with that contract.

1288
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: So I thought Juju had one of his more active

1289
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: practices of the spring so far that we have seen.

1290
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: I caught the touchdown and from Drake May caught another

1291
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: pass I believe it was from from from Brissette this time,

1292
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: but it caught another pass and low red zone work

1293
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: was active. It does look a little bit more I

1294
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: don't want to call it explosive bursty. That maybe is

1295
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: a better word when no one is expecting him to

1296
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: run by anybody, But he does look a little healthier.

1297
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: I guess this is the best way to put it.

1298
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: So what's the juju of it all? Like what happens

1299
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: here with Juju? Because I feel like this is just

1300
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: it's such an awkward situation where he's the vet in

1301
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: the room, he's the highest paid guy, and yet there's

1302
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: a chance that he just doesn't make the roster outright.

1303
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 2: It's so tough because you have we assume. So maybe

1304
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 2: he allows them to wait on activating Kendri Porn, and

1305
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 2: maybe Kendrick Porn starts season on PP he gets healthy.

1306
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 2: And now I wouldn't do that. If Kendrick Bourne's good

1307
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 2: to go, I'd put him on there because he's still

1308
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 2: their best receiver. But if assuming Bourne's healthy and ready

1309
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 2: to go, Kendrick Bourne, pop Douglas Paul Baker roster locks four?

1310
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 2: Right there? You texted me last night. Is kJ Osborne

1311
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 2: roster lock? His contract suggests he is. It's like three

1312
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 2: point two million guaranteed out of four. That's a guy

1313
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 2: that probably gonna make the team.

1314
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: In the Belichick era. That guy's a lock. So well,

1315
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: now we don't know how this team operates. We don't know,

1316
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: but they also just signed him in free agency. So

1317
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: if he doesn't, if he's not a roster lock, it's

1318
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: him Juju Thornton Raeger for one or two spots. Right,

1319
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: if we're assuming Osborne is a roster lock. So what

1320
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: I've said is Osbourne is not a roster lock. But

1321
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: he's the fifth receiver. If they don't keep him, it's

1322
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: because they're deciding to just keep four receivers.

1323
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,919
Speaker 2: That's how I view. So let's say he's that fifth guy.

1324
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 2: Are they going to keep six? This goes to the

1325
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 2: at large roster spots, and then it's Juju Thornton Rager

1326
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 2: for one spot. Thornton brings straight line speed in youth,

1327
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 2: Rager brings speed, agility, special team's ability. Thornton may also

1328
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 2: have some special team's ability too. They've been working m

1329
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 2: as a gunner. I don't know how that's gonna work,

1330
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 2: but they've been giving him a shot. Juju brings what

1331
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 2: experience I guess experience.

1332
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: Experience, and the fact that if he can be well,

1333
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: look Juju, then he's probably one of the better receivers

1334
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: on the team.

1335
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 2: But well, I'd say if he's not twenty twenty two Juju,

1336
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 2: let's say he is the guy. Let's see he's so

1337
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 2: he said last year he never got above sixty percent.

1338
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 2: Now he's one hundred. So let's say he's forty percent

1339
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 2: better than the player he was last year. Who's the

1340
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 2: rank the receivers as wide receivers, Juju Thornton Rager.

1341
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: Juju number one, Yeah, definitely.

1342
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 2: So he's the best, probably the best wide receiver of

1343
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 2: that group. But the thing is, if that's for the

1344
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 2: fifth or I'll even throw Osbourne in there, is he

1345
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 2: still the best receiver.

1346
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: If he's like, if he's healthy, yeah, then yes, Okay,

1347
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: so Osborne might have some trouble with his hands, yes.

1348
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 2: But if if you're talking about the fifth or sixth receiver,

1349
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 2: you're not keeping that guy because of what he does

1350
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 2: as a receiver. You're keeping that guy because he can

1351
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,439
Speaker 2: do something else special teams. He's a gadget player. Maybe

1352
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 2: can block.

1353
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: Well.

1354
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 2: This is like little Jordan Humphrey.

1355
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: Because Jalen Rager we obviously know brings the kickoff ability.

1356
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: And even though Tay, even though Juju's a better player

1357
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: than Taekwan, Taekwan's skill set is something that they don't

1358
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: necessarily have from other people that are going to make

1359
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 1: this team right, that true down the field speed. They

1360
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have that in this other group. And as

1361
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: my such as as much as Taekwon, we're not doing

1362
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: Taekwon again. We're not doing it again. I'm not falling

1363
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: for it again. There are elements of this offense and

1364
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: of Drake May and of how these pieces fit together.

1365
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: Is he a maybe he is just Ted Walker, you know,

1366
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: like I don't know what Ted Walker is gonna be

1367
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: in the pros, but I was gonna say, like a

1368
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 1: watered down version of unc Ted Walker where they don't

1369
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: have that skill set from anybody else on the team

1370
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:30,919
Speaker 1: right now. So Juju's skill set is redundant. Juju's skill

1371
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: set they have. Yeah, Juju is a lot of couple

1372
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: of guys like Kendrick Bourne. He's a lot like Jalen Polk,

1373
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: He's a lot like kJ Osborn. So he's redundant. Taekwon

1374
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: at least can separate himself with the four two eight.

1375
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 2: Like I have this and you don't have that, and

1376
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:49,439
Speaker 2: Ragers separates himself with special teams ability. I Now, look,

1377
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 2: we're we're talking about this like everybody's gonna be healthy too,

1378
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 2: And that's the.

1379
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: My guess is that Kendrick Bourne opens the spot for

1380
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: somebody initially.

1381
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 2: See I'd hate that.

1382
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:00,919
Speaker 1: I I just I don't think he's gonna be ready

1383
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: to go. He injured, he tore his a cl and.

1384
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 2: On how haven't all the reports been that he's going

1385
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 2: to be good to go for camp.

1386
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: Oh, I think that's really pushing it. He tows ACL

1387
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: on Halloween last so if he opens on pup, it's

1388
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: usually what now, it's like eight months back to the

1389
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: field is usually the that I don't think it is

1390
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: for an ACL.

1391
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been guys. There's been guys that have tore

1392
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 2: it in December and been on the field in camp.

1393
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 2: Maybe they're limited, but they've been on the right.

1394
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 1: But there's a difference between being on the field in

1395
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: camp and playing.

1396
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 2: But I'm saying if you put him on PUP that

1397
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 2: means he's missing all of camp. I'd hate that. I

1398
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 2: want him working with Drake May. I want him working

1399
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 2: in the context you could use that ir you can

1400
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 2: now place the guy on my R on cutdown that

1401
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 2: you get two of these right, and he's still eligible

1402
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 2: to return. So maybe he's that, but I want him

1403
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 2: on the field. The other thing, I mean, who knows

1404
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 2: he's gonna have with Taekwon Thornton, right, right, But that

1405
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 2: will the injuries will shape it. But it's it's I mean,

1406
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a tight competition. I think the best

1407
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 2: case scenario. Everybody says healthy Juju has a good spray,

1408
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 2: good summer, somebody gets receiver banged up in camp, whatever,

1409
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 2: you trade him for a six round pick.

1410
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 1: It's possible. It's more likely that he has trade value

1411
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 1: than a Taekwon.

1412
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 2: Or So this was my next question, and this goes

1413
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 2: in the complete opposite direction. Do you think they could

1414
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 2: get Taekwon on the practice squad? He has no guaranteed

1415
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 2: money on his contract. It depends on it doesn't cost it.

1416
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 1: It depends on what he does in the preseason. Obviously,

1417
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: if you go if Drake May takes a ton of

1418
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 1: reps as a second team quarterback in the preseason and

1419
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: he's throwing bombs to Taekwon Thornton, then probably not. But

1420
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: is it possible. Yeah, it's like he's done nothing in

1421
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: the league. So obviously it's definitely.

1422
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 2: Because if you could get him on the practice squad

1423
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:47,479
Speaker 2: and then you know, in a couple of weeks playing

1424
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 2: with it, right, play with it like that? That that

1425
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 2: to me is how you work out the numbers. You

1426
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 2: trade Juju Thornton, you try or right Rager, you can

1427
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 2: get on the practice squad. Rager, I think you can

1428
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 2: definitely get on the practice squad. But like there's a

1429
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 2: way to keep those guys just not all on the

1430
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 2: fifty three. Maybe Kendrick Bourne going on ir changes things,

1431
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 2: but it's tough.

1432
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 1: I feel like they have you are really going to

1433
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 1: have to see an outstanding training camp from Juju Smith

1434
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: Schuster to make me feel like it's worth it to

1435
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: have him here when they have guys that can just

1436
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 1: replicate what he did.

1437
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 2: And the other the other part of it is and

1438
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 2: this isn't even to not Juju is you know Jordan

1439
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 2: Mayo Elliot Wolf talked about playing the kids, right. That

1440
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 2: was one thing we talked about with the previous coaching

1441
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 2: staff was they didn't give the rookies enough a chance

1442
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 2: to develop, and playing the kids means there's gonna be mistakes,

1443
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 2: but that's how they're gonna get better?

1444
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: Are you? If you keep Juju, is he gonna play?

1445
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 1: If you keep Juju, He's either not gonna play, and

1446
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: then you have twelve million dollars.

1447
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 2: So that's the thing.

1448
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: It would be more Jalen Polk isn't gonna play.

1449
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 2: Which would suck, right, So that that's that's where that's

1450
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:55,719
Speaker 2: why I think it makes more sense for Rager Thornton

1451
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 2: because Rager Thornton. Rayger's gonna give you something on special teams, Yes,

1452
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 2: Thornton maybe to be determined, like if he comes out

1453
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 2: and looks capable as a gunner Thorin.

1454
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna be made.

1455
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:07,600
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think it's gonna work with

1456
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 2: him as a gunner. He's not taking enough.

1457
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 1: No, but I think he at least gives you something

1458
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 1: that in a package of ten or fifteen plays a

1459
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: game first down and you want to hit, you know,

1460
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 1: the deep over routes and stuff like that off play action.

1461
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: Then you have this guy that can run as fast

1462
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,839
Speaker 1: as Taekwon can? Is he here? Is he gonna play

1463
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 1: a bulk of the snaps? No, but maybe there's like

1464
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 1: a package of plays that are Taekwon base plays because

1465
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: it's just because of his spear.

1466
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 2: It's just tough to do the numbers on even if

1467
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 2: you can figure out how Juju gets on the team, right, Okay,

1468
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 2: they cut kJ Osbourne, he doesn't make it. He's not

1469
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 2: a roster lock. Maybe Kendrick Bourne goes on IR. But

1470
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 2: then is he playing right? And if you're just keeping

1471
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 2: him to keep him and he's not gonna play you're

1472
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 2: just keeping going to be a locker room presence. That's

1473
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 2: what coaches are for. So the numbers just get really tough.

1474
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 2: We also have a comment on YouTube. We're talking about

1475
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 2: the wide receivers. Mike says, Marcus Jones is still the

1476
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 2: best wide receiver they have and he's a defensive guy.

1477
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 2: Oh god, stop it, I don't. You might still see

1478
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 2: him a little bit as a package player. Marcus Jones

1479
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 2: is not the best wide receiver they have. He's a

1480
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 2: package player that is really good at one thing, and

1481
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,799
Speaker 2: they use that one thing. He hasn't.

1482
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 1: We're not We're not. We're not entertaining Marcus Jones a receiver.

1483
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 2: I just I've been getting questions about it. It's still yeah,

1484
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 2: oh yeah, well because I think people see those couple

1485
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 2: of plays and they're like, why can't he do that

1486
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 2: all the time? Because those were very specialized plays that

1487
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 2: he hasn't been training as a route runner. He hasn't

1488
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 2: been training in any of that regard. Like, he has

1489
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 2: a couple of things he does well that they take

1490
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 2: advantage of five or ten times a game. That's what

1491
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 2: he is as a receiver. He's not a full time receiver.

1492
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 2: He doesn't have the route tree, he's not big enough.

1493
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 1: I know that it doesn't necessarily matter.

1494
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 2: And he doesn't want to play receiver.

1495
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to play receiver, and it's not a

1496
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 1: situation where he's not gonna make it in the league

1497
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,839
Speaker 1: as a corner and he has to student switch positions

1498
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: like Joe mill In my not make it as a

1499
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 1: quarterback and might need to find a different way to

1500
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 1: make an NFL roster. Logan Thomas right that he might

1501
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: have to do something like that. Marcus Jones is a

1502
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,679
Speaker 1: good enough corner to just play corner and return kicks

1503
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 1: and make the in the league for a long time

1504
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: as long as his body holds up with a smaller guy.

1505
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 1: But as long as his body holds up, he should

1506
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 1: be in the league for a little while. That's the

1507
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 1: difference Marcus Jones. Also, I would say the best case

1508
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: scenario of Marcus Jones playing receiver, which I can't believe

1509
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: we are not doing this again, is Pop Douglas, right,

1510
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 1: and you have it.

1511
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:35,679
Speaker 2: Remember when they drafted Pop Douglas. As what we said,

1512
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 2: it's like you have now have a Marcus Jones who

1513
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 2: can play offense full time, so really quickly on two

1514
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 2: more receivers and then I want to move on to

1515
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 2: running back.

1516
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 1: kJ Osborne drops some passes so far in camp or

1517
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: in iotas in the spring, had issues with drops last

1518
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 1: year in Minnesota. His drop numbers in Minnesota last year

1519
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,799
Speaker 1: were not good. This could be like a yip situation.

1520
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 1: I hate to throw that word out there, like gyips

1521
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: is probably a little too strong, but he his hands

1522
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 1: are an issue, and he hasn't necessarily done anything to

1523
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 1: make me feel like he can't make the team yet.

1524
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 1: But if you can't catch the ball, you can't catch

1525
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: the ball, right, it's a you got to catch the ball.

1526
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 1: That's the position. So I feel like he's someone that

1527
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: looks good in shorts, looks good in theory right, runs

1528
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 1: pretty well. It seems like he's got some veteran experience,

1529
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 1: some savvy to him that he's got going on. But

1530
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 1: he's got issues with drops, and I where do you

1531
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 1: stand with kJ Osbourne? I guess is the long way

1532
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:40,719
Speaker 1: to ask that question.

1533
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 2: I mean, you know how I feel about drops. I

1534
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 2: don't necessarily care about the overall number. I care about

1535
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:49,759
Speaker 2: the percentage. But he was up there last year among

1536
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 2: wide receivers. He was one two three, four or five.

1537
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 2: He was eighth last year in or sorry, ninth last

1538
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 2: year dropped percentage six point seventy five.

1539
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he had. He had an issues starting last year,

1540
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 1: wasn't it. I don't think it has been a career

1541
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:06,599
Speaker 1: long thing.

1542
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 2: No, he had. He had a total of before last year.

1543
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 2: Hang on, I have right here. I had a second.

1544
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 2: He had four drops. He didn't really play. He didn't

1545
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 2: get any targets as a rookie in twenty twenty. Between

1546
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,719
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two, he had almost

1547
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 2: two hundred targets. He only dropped four palls. Last year

1548
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 2: he had seventy five targets. He drops five. Yeah, so

1549
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 2: we'll see. Maybe it's a one off. Look, I still

1550
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 2: think he's a good complimentary player. He's not number one.

1551
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 2: Hands might be part of that. But let's see when

1552
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 2: the pasts come on.

1553
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:36,640
Speaker 1: Okay, running backs. Big thing with running backs to me

1554
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: right now is that running back three competition. This is

1555
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: something that I care about with running backs, and you've

1556
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 1: been giving me a hard time, but you do job.

1557
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 1: I care about this. Jamichael Hasty made some plays on Tuesday.

1558
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 1: He was probably the standout. Now we're a lot of

1559
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 1: pass heavy and we're not running the ball yet, so

1560
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 1: we're not really in Kevin Harris's world right now. We'll

1561
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 1: get the training cab and see what happens. But Hasty

1562
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 1: has some skill in the passing game. He made a

1563
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 1: great catch catching one back shoulder throw on Juwan Bentley

1564
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: in the red zone from Kobe Brissette. Really good play.

1565
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 1: Probably the play of the day, I would say for

1566
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 1: the offense. And he's got some speed, he's got some

1567
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 1: juice coming out of the backfield. Maybe a better fit

1568
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 1: in this system than somebody like Kevin Harris, who's a plotter,

1569
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,600
Speaker 1: you know, bigger guy and is more of like a

1570
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 1: wrecking ball running back. I'm interested in Hasty. I still

1571
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: feel like they're running back short. I still feel like

1572
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 1: there's an outside addition, an external addition that's going to

1573
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 1: be needed at this position. But maybe Hasty is a

1574
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: guy that ends up making this team. And I don't

1575
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: think a lot of us were talking about Jamichael Hasty

1576
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 1: making this team. He's got some return experience too, right

1577
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,839
Speaker 1: return coverage. He's got a ton of special teams experience,

1578
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 1: so he can play there. Yeah, I can catch the

1579
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 1: ball a little bit He's definitely a player to keep

1580
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: an eye on. Yeah, so maybe he's someone that makes

1581
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 1: a push for the roster. And I still feel like, again,

1582
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 1: I still feel like they're running back short. I don't

1583
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,560
Speaker 1: know how if you feel like they are, but it

1584
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 1: seems like it's remondros Stevenson in the lead back. He

1585
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 1: looks great by the way, looks trimmed, he looks like

1586
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: he's in great shape. It's Reminder Stevenson in the lead

1587
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: back role. It's Antonio Gibson in the subpack you know,

1588
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,719
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, a sub package, back,

1589
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 1: passing game back. That his his role right now. I

1590
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 1: don't know who's remondros Stevenson's true backup in that early

1591
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 1: down lead role. It's probably still gonna be Kevin Harris

1592
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:25,640
Speaker 1: for the time being. But I wonder if Hasty breaks in.

1593
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 1: Is there anything else on the running backs that you've

1594
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:28,679
Speaker 1: noticed other than Hasty.

1595
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 2: That's pretty much it.

1596
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, moving over to the defensive side of

1597
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:33,759
Speaker 1: the ball, and then we'll answer some of these emails.

1598
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 1: A couple guys that wrote down that just I think

1599
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 1: I've been really standing out to me. Alex Austen finished

1600
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 1: strong last year down the stretch for the Patriots and

1601
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 1: then is coming on and playing a pretty good football

1602
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 1: this spring. Is there a world and I know Jonathan

1603
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 1: Jones is not involved right now. I'll be there next week,

1604
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure, but he hasn't been out there at OTA's.

1605
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 1: Is there a world where Alex Austen is the guy

1606
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,080
Speaker 1: that we've been looking for, you know, the third corn

1607
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: or even a permanent regular as an outside corner, and

1608
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 1: that allows Jonathan Jones to play more in the slot

1609
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 1: or more inside the formation.

1610
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 2: That'd be great. Let's see what happened when the pads

1611
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 2: come on. But he's Alex Austin's checking every box. I

1612
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,719
Speaker 2: think I've been as impressed by him as any player

1613
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 2: so far this spring. He's just broady. They've been put

1614
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 2: him on the field a ton. Yeah, even when so

1615
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 2: Christian Zalez was limited the first two practice as we

1616
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,639
Speaker 2: were out there, he only did individual and positional drills.

1617
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 2: Once they went into sevens and eleven's, he was on

1618
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 2: the sideline and he's working his way back from that

1619
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 2: shoulder injury. We got to see him Tuesday and he

1620
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 2: looked good. He was moving well. He had a pass breakup,

1621
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 2: But even with him so when he was out, it

1622
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 2: was Alex Austin and Marco Wilson getting a ton of run.

1623
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:45,680
Speaker 2: He's back out there, but it's still a lot of

1624
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,639
Speaker 2: Alex Austin. Yeah, a lot of Alex Austin. And he's

1625
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 2: rising to the occasion. Had a pass break up, a

1626
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 2: couple others where he's like sticking with receivers, things.

1627
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,719
Speaker 1: Like that, kid can play, kid can play.

1628
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:58,600
Speaker 2: And again we'll see when the pads come on and

1629
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 2: is he truly that number two, Like if he can

1630
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:05,639
Speaker 2: be your second boundary guy, you move Jonathan Jones back

1631
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:09,839
Speaker 2: into the slot. Now, Marco Wilson's your third boundary corner.

1632
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones is your backup slot and maybe plays a

1633
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 2: little safety. And then Sean Wage just kind of your

1634
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 2: utility knife. You throw them where you need him to

1635
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,799
Speaker 2: make up for injuries, and you play him on special teams.

1636
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 2: That's a legit secondary. That's a very If Alex Austin can,

1637
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 2: you know, be that true number two corner, If Alex

1638
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 2: Austin can give you the guy we always use for

1639
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 2: this role, Evan, it's Jason mccordy. If Alex Austin can

1640
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 2: give you twenty eighteen, Jason McCarty, which I don't think

1641
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 2: is he's got another step to go from where he

1642
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 2: was last year. But I don't think that's an unrealistic

1643
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 2: year two jump for him. If he can give you that,

1644
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 2: you're cooking with gas in the secondary. You're not to

1645
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 2: say the secondary's bad without him, but it's still feel

1646
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 2: like we you know, I've talked about Stephan Gilmour till

1647
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,759
Speaker 2: the cows come home, and even if Alex Austin's good, Frankly,

1648
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 2: I'd still sign Steph because I want him to No,

1649
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 2: I would go with Alex. I want I want him

1650
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:02,799
Speaker 2: to coach ups. I want him to coach up Gonzig.

1651
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 2: There's another level to it. I would much rather and

1652
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,799
Speaker 2: I truly rotate the three of them. I truly rotate

1653
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 2: the three of them, and you know, play each one

1654
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 2: maybe like you know, sixty five seventy percent, and maybe

1655
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 2: you lean off Gilmour a little bit later in the

1656
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:23,759
Speaker 2: season because he's older, but that aside. Right they're they're

1657
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 2: like one, they're good right now in the secondary, I

1658
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:29,959
Speaker 2: think they're one piece short of being great, or two pieces.

1659
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 2: Alex Austin could be one and the other one. So

1660
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 2: I've kind of written off the idea that they're gonna

1661
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:37,679
Speaker 2: go back to a permanent free safety, like they're gonna

1662
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 2: play a lot of rotations and things like that. You're

1663
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 2: not gonna have Devin mccordy ninety nine percent usage rate

1664
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 2: free safety out there. But I would like them to

1665
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 2: have that tool in the toolbox where they can go

1666
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 2: to a single high center fielder and put Kyle Dugger

1667
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:56,599
Speaker 2: and Jabrill Peppers both in the box. Enter Jalen Hawkins.

1668
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:58,639
Speaker 1: Oh god, we're doing Jalen Hawkins.

1669
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:01,919
Speaker 2: He's been on the field with the top unit.

1670
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 1: He has, he's played, he's been near the ball, and

1671
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 1: he does have some legit NFL experience.

1672
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 2: I think every game he's ever played.

1673
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 1: I shouldn't dismiss him completely. No, we should do Jalen Hawkins.

1674
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 1: If j Jalen Hawkins could be Deron Harmon.

1675
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 2: So that's so, but drawn Harmon without Devin McCarty basically

1676
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 2: because it's different.

1677
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 1: Well right, but so when they when they had debt

1678
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 1: peak secondary of the Rutgers guys, you know Darron Harmon,

1679
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 1: Devin McCarty, Pat Chung. I know I didn't go Rutgers,

1680
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 1: but yeah, Logan Ryan was out there honorary Rutgers. Those

1681
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: three guys, Uh mccordy, Chung, Harmon. Harmon would play the

1682
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 1: deep middle. McCarty would play robber, and then Chung would

1683
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 1: play on the tight end. So you would have the

1684
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 1: same thing of Hawkins would play up top, Dugger would

1685
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 1: play probably robber. Yeah, and then Peppers is probably tight end.

1686
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 1: I don't love Peppers on tight ends though. That's like

1687
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 1: the one thing that I think is difficult maybe about

1688
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 1: this is that I don't love No, it's it's it's

1689
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 1: probably Dugger on the tight end.

1690
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 2: No, it's mafu.

1691
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 1: Okay, So then how many Now you're playing five safeties, Like,

1692
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 1: how many safeties you want out there?

1693
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:07,759
Speaker 2: For Safety's two corners?

1694
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 1: Okay, So now we're playing like a big dime basically.

1695
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 2: Basically, so it's it's it's Gonzales.

1696
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 1: But you can't play a big dime against eleven. You

1697
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 1: just can't.

1698
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 2: No. But so this is the point, like Devin mccorty

1699
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 2: never came off the field, Yeah, Jalen Hawkins is more.

1700
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 2: All right, it's third and ten or all right, they're

1701
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 2: in the two minute trail, right, he goes out there,

1702
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 2: he becomes your center fielder and it just allows you

1703
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 2: to get because we know this. Kyle Duger Daryl Pepper

1704
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 2: is both very very very good players. Neither one is

1705
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 2: at his best when he's playing free safety. I agree

1706
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 2: with that, and when you get into those high impact situations,

1707
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 2: I want those two guys playing what they do best.

1708
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 2: I just don't know if either of what they do

1709
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 2: best is covering tight ends. And if you're playing a

1710
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:00,719
Speaker 2: team that doesn't necessarily have a dynamic tight end pass catcher,

1711
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 2: then I think Dougger is more than capable. But you

1712
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 2: obviously aren't gonna play Kyle Dugger on well. We even

1713
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 2: saw what uh what Dalton Kinkay did do him and Buffalo,

1714
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 2: we've seen it. I just I don't love how these

1715
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 2: pieces fit together to begin with. But I think both

1716
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 2: Dugger and Peppers are at their best when they're just roaming,

1717
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 2: when they're just free to fly to the football. The

1718
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 2: other thing is it's hard to have two guys out

1719
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 2: there at the same time that are doing something you should.

1720
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 1: They should do more with Kyle Dugger that they did

1721
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: with him as a rookie and stopped just let him

1722
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 1: rush the passer, right, But if you're gonna unlock Kyle

1723
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 1: Dugger to roam, to blitz, to play robber, all those

1724
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 1: types of things. And then you're gonna have Jalen Hawkins

1725
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 1: not Jabriel Peppers playing up top, which I understand why

1726
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 1: because I think he is a little bit more of

1727
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 1: a natural player up top. Then where does Jabriel Peppers

1728
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 1: fit into this? Like, I feel like Jabriel Peppers, as

1729
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 1: great of a player as he is, maybe he's not

1730
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:57,440
Speaker 1: on the field.

1731
01:21:58,240 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 2: I just I hate that.

1732
01:21:59,479 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 3: No.

1733
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 2: I we've also seen them to go back to the

1734
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 2: tight end point. We've seen them cover elite tight ends

1735
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 2: with corners.

1736
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 1: Okay, but then if you're doing four safeties in two

1737
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 1: corners and who's the corner that's covering the tight end.

1738
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 2: Depends on the tight end.

1739
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 1: I guess That's what I'm saying is like, so all right,

1740
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 1: you have to have somebody You understand what I'm saying,

1741
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 1: Like they they had three distinct buckets yea, for those

1742
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 1: old safeties, right, it was Darron Harmon up top, it

1743
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 1: was Devin as the robber, and it was Chung on

1744
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 1: the tight end. Yeah, so between Peppers and Dugger, one

1745
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 1: of those guys has to take the time.

1746
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 2: But Chung wasn't great covering tight ends either.

1747
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 1: He was pretty good at it when they made that

1748
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 1: first they first got later.

1749
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 2: That's fair. I you're paying Coyle dugger all that money.

1750
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:46,759
Speaker 2: Maybe it's him. He has to look better in coverage.

1751
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying is that I agree with you

1752
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of possibilities. And we've been talking

1753
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 1: about that free safety role. Yeah, finding that dron Harmon type,

1754
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: not even at Devin mccorty, but at darn Harmon and

1755
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 1: Hawkins maybe be able to do that. He might. I

1756
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 1: just think having so that being the bottom line, like

1757
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 1: he might be right.

1758
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe maybe I'm getting two into the weeds with

1759
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 2: how they use it. And well, no, to go back

1760
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 2: to my point, like it's situational. I want I'm not

1761
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 2: saying they have to go to that, but I want

1762
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 2: them to have it. So maybe this is something you

1763
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 2: do against Miami, who doesn't really throw to the tight

1764
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 2: end right right where against Miami you can absolutely have

1765
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 2: those guys out there just kind of lurking. Maybe it's

1766
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 2: something you do against there's other teams that Tony use

1767
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 2: tight ends.

1768
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:33,719
Speaker 1: I don't know I'm blanking, but no, yeah, no, Miami

1769
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:35,760
Speaker 1: is a great example yeah, because you're gonna want to

1770
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 1: play too too deep a lot too so maybe you

1771
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:41,680
Speaker 1: know you have you then still would allow like a

1772
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 1: Peppers or a Dugger to be closer to the line

1773
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 1: of scrimmage, and then it's half field safety instead of

1774
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 1: post safety, and that obviously isn't as hard to go

1775
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 1: sideline to sideline when you're just splitting the middle of

1776
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:54,600
Speaker 1: the field, so that that's it's easier to do it

1777
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 1: that way against those types of teams. I'm with you.

1778
01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: I think that there's a role for him on the team.

1779
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 1: We've we've talked about it at nauseum. It'd be silly

1780
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 1: for me to back off that now. But I just

1781
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 1: find it interesting how these pieces are gonna fit together.

1782
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 1: And I still don't love how they fit together. But

1783
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 1: I feel like they almost have to do it because

1784
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger and Jabrill Peppers are good football players and

1785
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 1: they need good football players. They can't be in the

1786
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 1: business of just getting rid of guys because the fit

1787
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 1: isn't exactly perfect. They're gonna have to just figure this

1788
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 1: thing out and make it work. Last thing, just going

1789
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 1: back to Alex Austin real quick, yeah, drive Mayo before practice,

1790
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 1: said that last year Alex Austin proved that he's an

1791
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 1: NFL player. Ye, now they are trying to figure out

1792
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: how good of an NFL player he actually is. So

1793
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 1: I think we're beyond the point of Alex Austin being

1794
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:42,640
Speaker 1: a not like a what maybe bubble. Maybe it's a

1795
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:44,600
Speaker 1: little strong to take him off the bubble, but it's not.

1796
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 1: We're beyond the point of, like, is Alex Austen even

1797
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 1: belong on a run.

1798
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 2: He's in the conversation with a guy like Austin Hooper

1799
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 2: or guy like I guess for different reasons Calvini Anderson

1800
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 2: or Daniel Aqualley, where it's like, these guys can play

1801
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 2: the NFL. It's just gonna come down in numbers. Yeah,

1802
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 2: But but I think Austin has the insight. Like, the

1803
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 2: only way I think Austin doesn't make the team is

1804
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 2: that they sign a veteran Corner.

1805
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 1: I think Austin's gonna make the team. I'm almost ready

1806
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 1: to put him as a roster lock. I'm not there yet,

1807
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not right now. Right now at corner

1808
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 1: I have Gonzales, Yeah, obviously, John Jones and Marcus Jones's locks. Yeah,

1809
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm pretty close to having Austin there. If he has

1810
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: a good camp, like if, I would be pretty surprised.

1811
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 1: Good body type, good size for the outside, clearly has

1812
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 1: the speed and the play speed to hang on the outside.

1813
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 1: Pretty good ball skills. I think that's something that people

1814
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 1: were missed with him. Maybe a little bit underrated. There's

1815
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 1: ball skills. I know it's not super impressive, but he

1816
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 1: broke up a pass against Taekwon into the red zone

1817
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 1: and on Tuesdays he's.

1818
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 2: Giving the football. That's what mass. Somebody in the chat

1819
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 2: could point Cincinnati Week one, you're gonna want a center

1820
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:55,679
Speaker 2: fielder against that team.

1821
01:25:56,360 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see it working. When I talked to

1822
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 1: mccordy about this, Yeah, he talked about it being the

1823
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 1: situations you were talking about, third down, two minute, you know,

1824
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, close out, yeah, you know the closer dron

1825
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 1: harmon right, those are the types of moments they went to.

1826
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:16,799
Speaker 1: It was it their base look, no, but was it

1827
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 1: what they went to when they needed you know, they

1828
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 1: knew the other team was going to try to pass

1829
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 1: the ball and only pass the ball then yes.

1830
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:25,680
Speaker 2: So just having a guy with more experience back there

1831
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 2: I think is like playing that role obvious, Kyle Duggan

1832
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 2: and Habrill Peppers have a ton of experience. But like

1833
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 2: Jabrill Peppers posted that thing on his Twitter a couple

1834
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 2: of weeks ago with him in Cleveland where they had

1835
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:36,760
Speaker 2: them lined up like forty yards behind the line of scrimmage.

1836
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 2: I love Jabrill Peppers a player, the hell's he gonna

1837
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 2: do form back there? That's not how I just.

1838
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:42,640
Speaker 1: Feel like I'd say the same thing about him and

1839
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 1: Kyle Duggar, which makes this whole thing a little bit whatever. Anyways, allow,

1840
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 1: but that's my point.

1841
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 2: You don't want to put either from back there, So

1842
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 2: get Jalen Hawkins to put back there.

1843
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 1: Sure. Last thing on the defense, I actually have noticed

1844
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 1: Marty bop Who a little bit more last year. I

1845
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 1: feel like we noticed him because he was playing everywhere

1846
01:26:58,680 --> 01:26:59,799
Speaker 1: and it was he was active.

1847
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 2: Also easy to see him.

1848
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 1: He was wearing a red jersey right, and he was

1849
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:06,759
Speaker 1: just playing everywhere on the defense, you know, linebacker, safety, whatever.

1850
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:10,720
Speaker 1: He's been pretty good against some of the tight ends

1851
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:12,639
Speaker 1: that they put him up against. It's mostly been jackem

1852
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 1: Bell who's had some problems getting away from him. I

1853
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:18,639
Speaker 1: feel like I don't know what they do is Marty Maphu,

1854
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 1: But he's someone that I still have hope for, you know,

1855
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 1: same way I still have hope for Keon White or

1856
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 1: any of these other guys. Well that's probably fair, But

1857
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 1: with Mapu, I still have hope for him. I still

1858
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 1: have hope that they're going to use him, right you know,

1859
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if that we're at that point yet, We'll.

1860
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 2: Say, just think he's so buried. We just talked about

1861
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 2: how do you get all these safeties on the field,

1862
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:42,440
Speaker 2: and they clearly think he's a safety and not a linebacker.

1863
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 1: I'm linebacker.

1864
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 2: Well that that would be the answer.

1865
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 1: But right now it still feels like he's Kyle Dugar's backup. Yeah,

1866
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 1: and Kyle Dugger just signed a huge extension, so he's

1867
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 1: not going anywhere. And this is what happens. And this

1868
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 1: is my bigger point with Marty Maphu, in a little

1869
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 1: bit with Keon White too, But I I feel like

1870
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:02,839
Speaker 1: maybe they could figure him out a little bit easier

1871
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 1: sometimes when not Sometimes a lot of the times when

1872
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 1: a coaching change happens, there's guys that the other coach

1873
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,680
Speaker 1: drafted with a role in mind. Right then now the

1874
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 1: role doesn't exist for that player now with the new regime.

1875
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:19,679
Speaker 1: I keep on saying it because I think it's true.

1876
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:22,680
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick was gonna let Kyle Dugger walk and he

1877
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 1: was gonna let Marty map Who take over for Kyle Dugger. Ye,

1878
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 1: And that's why he drafted Marty map Who last year.

1879
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 1: Now that they re up Kyle Dugger, there's really no

1880
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 1: role for Marty Mopho on the team. Well there is

1881
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:37,400
Speaker 1: like a depth guy.

1882
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 2: Well, I think he is an idea, right, he has

1883
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 2: an ideal skill set for that for the new kickoff. Yeah,

1884
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:46,679
Speaker 2: so I think that probably keeps him on the roster.

1885
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's I don't see the path for him

1886
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:51,560
Speaker 2: on defense. And I'm with you. I said that with

1887
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 2: a draft that you were all encouraged. Remember that they

1888
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:54,719
Speaker 2: were gonna blame.

1889
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 1: Back, right, because I thought they were actually going to

1890
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 1: be smart about it.

1891
01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 2: And I told you he's they draft Kyle's placement and

1892
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 2: maybe has some trade value. I don't know, but it's

1893
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:06,639
Speaker 2: just tough to see how he gets on the field.

1894
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 1: So the answer was they were not creative about it, right,

1895
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 1: got it all? Right? Answer some of these emails. So

1896
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 1: Chris asks a question about the kickoffs, go back to

1897
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:19,679
Speaker 1: the kickoffs. You think teams will have multiple kickoff slash

1898
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 1: return teams. Say they play one team that uses all

1899
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:24,559
Speaker 1: big guys on the kickoff team and then a small,

1900
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 1: fast guy line up the next week. Would you match

1901
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:31,120
Speaker 1: size against size or speed against speed or would you count? Okay,

1902
01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 1: basically he's asking, you know, how are they going to

1903
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 1: match up? And also, you know, could you see certain

1904
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 1: returns we're gonna put the big guys out there, certain

1905
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 1: returns we're gonna put smaller guys out there.

1906
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 2: I don't think you'll see like two separate eleven man packages.

1907
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 2: I think there's just gonna be guys that are out

1908
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:49,519
Speaker 2: there no matter what. But yeah, you might one week say, Okay,

1909
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:51,639
Speaker 2: we want a little more size on the on the

1910
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 2: return team this week, or all we want a little

1911
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:55,639
Speaker 2: more speed on the on the coverage team this week,

1912
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:58,559
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I think or dough beat packages again. The

1913
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:03,519
Speaker 2: kickoff now, for everybody saying, oh, that's not football, why'd

1914
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,640
Speaker 2: you change it? The kickoff now resembles a It's not

1915
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 2: like the original kickoff. It actually is a lot closer

1916
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:11,720
Speaker 2: to a scrimmage play, yeah than the old ones were.

1917
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:15,439
Speaker 2: So like scrimmage plays, you have formations. Formations aren't really

1918
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:17,400
Speaker 2: gonna change because they're very strict about where you line up,

1919
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 2: but you're gonna have different packages that do different things.

1920
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:23,559
Speaker 2: And I do think you'll see some of that, and

1921
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:24,840
Speaker 2: some of it will be weak to week, and some

1922
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 2: of it will be situationally, and you may just have

1923
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 2: a week where you try to return the three kicks

1924
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 2: and nothing works, and you say, let's get the big

1925
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:33,760
Speaker 2: boys out there and see if we can figure something out.

1926
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:37,839
Speaker 1: I feel like this is gonna be big for certain

1927
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 1: position groups too, where you have to have almost a

1928
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 1: combination of both things of size and speed for this

1929
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:47,479
Speaker 1: to work. I don't think that you want a ton

1930
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 1: of offensive linemen out there, because even though in theory

1931
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 1: like they're good blockers, I just think it's gonna happen

1932
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 1: too fast for them. It doesn't offensive line play happens

1933
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:00,320
Speaker 1: in a phone booth, right, This is not in ascessarily

1934
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 1: as much of a phone booth.

1935
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 2: You're not putting your three hundred and thirty pound guard

1936
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 2: out there, right.

1937
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 1: I don't think Devon Godshaw's of there were like big

1938
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 1: defensive lineman. I feel this for the same reasons. So

1939
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 1: I think it's big for edge guys and linebackers like

1940
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:18,120
Speaker 1: Anthony Jennings, you know, Jelani Tavai. I feel like those

1941
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:21,160
Speaker 1: types of bigger guys but that can run a little bit,

1942
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 1: be big for them, and I think it's big for

1943
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:26,479
Speaker 1: tight ends. You know, guys like Jaane Bell I think

1944
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 1: is great on both sides of this whole time.

1945
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 2: Tight ends and the more athletic tackle types or even

1946
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 2: a guy honestly, Cole Strange. Yeah, once he's healthy, because

1947
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:36,960
Speaker 2: he can move, like that's the one thing he can

1948
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 2: do really well. He can move, and you need to

1949
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:40,120
Speaker 2: be able to block on the move.

1950
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 1: All right, So we have one guy that disagrees with

1951
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:46,439
Speaker 1: you and one guy that disagrees with me about Drake

1952
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:50,280
Speaker 1: may So. Chad in Atlanta says, you have to have

1953
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 1: to in capital less, so you better be listening. You

1954
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 1: have to put the best players out there waiting until

1955
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,519
Speaker 1: you can protect them is a bad idea. What happens

1956
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:01,200
Speaker 1: if they never get the perfect protect sit them all

1957
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 1: through their rookie contracts. Drake may is skilled enough to

1958
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 1: make do he isn't Mac Jones doing a three sixty

1959
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:09,679
Speaker 1: on his first play of his career.

1960
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:13,600
Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't say he did it. Did you do

1961
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 2: that first play? He did? He threw it backwards. Oh yeah,

1962
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:16,599
Speaker 2: I remember.

1963
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:16,840
Speaker 1: Now.

1964
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:20,240
Speaker 2: I didn't say sit him till the protection's perfect. I said,

1965
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:22,680
Speaker 2: just figure out who your best five are before you

1966
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 2: put him in. Maybe that happens by week one, Maybe

1967
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 2: it takes you to Halloween. Figure out who your best

1968
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:30,640
Speaker 2: It's not gonna be perfect, but figure out who your

1969
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 2: best five are before you put Because the other thing,

1970
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:37,559
Speaker 2: aside from the protection of it you there's a lot

1971
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 2: of communication that goes on between the quarterback and offensive line.

1972
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 2: If he's having to work with different players and different

1973
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 2: configurations every week, that's a lot on his plate. Well,

1974
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:48,640
Speaker 2: he's trying to just become an NFL starter and do

1975
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:50,519
Speaker 2: all of that, which is a lot. I want him

1976
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:52,360
Speaker 2: playing with the same five guys in front of him.

1977
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 2: That simple. I don't want him. You know, when we

1978
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 2: get there and Mike Reese tweets out, you know this

1979
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 2: will be the fifth different combinate offensive line combination the

1980
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 2: Patriots have used in Drake May's five starts. I don't

1981
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 2: want to see that tweet. I don't want that to happen.

1982
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:09,800
Speaker 2: That like, doesn't have to be perfect, but you should

1983
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:12,720
Speaker 2: have things relatively settled for what they're gonna be this

1984
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:14,400
Speaker 2: year before you put him in.

1985
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:17,040
Speaker 1: That's fair, and I don't want my take to come

1986
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:18,799
Speaker 1: off of if he should start week one, and that's.

1987
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:21,400
Speaker 2: It, right, I agree with you, I should take it practice.

1988
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:24,479
Speaker 1: I just well, if it was if all things were equal,

1989
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:26,280
Speaker 1: and if we didn't have all these concerns about the

1990
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:28,280
Speaker 1: supporting cast, I would start in week one.

1991
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:30,640
Speaker 2: And if they had an actual left tackle, if they

1992
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:32,559
Speaker 2: had signed Joan Williams, then I'd be with you.

1993
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 1: There's two things that worry me about starting in week one.

1994
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:35,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1995
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:37,600
Speaker 1: One of them is what we're talking about. Yeah. The

1996
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 1: other thing is it's a long season. Seventeen games is

1997
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:44,960
Speaker 1: a long season. And it's also a really late bye

1998
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:48,560
Speaker 1: week for the Patriots this year. And I don't want

1999
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:51,720
Speaker 1: Drake May to end the year on a low note

2000
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 1: because he hit that rookie wall and just Mac shows

2001
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 1: Mac Jones essentially did the same thing too. I'd hate

2002
01:33:57,320 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 1: comparing him to Mac though, not not to pick on,

2003
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 1: but Drake May is just so much more talented than

2004
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 1: Mac Jones was. But in general, I think that you

2005
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:08,920
Speaker 1: have to consider that. So it's almost like we're both

2006
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:11,160
Speaker 1: saying the same thing. Getting there differently, and I know

2007
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 1: people are gonna hear us completely differently as a result.

2008
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 1: But maybe the best course of action is like the

2009
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 1: first month of the season, weeks get to like week

2010
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 1: five or six, then you start to put him out there.

2011
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 1: Then he's only playing like a eleven game season, right, Yeah,

2012
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 1: twelve eleven game season instead of a seventeen and and

2013
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 1: maybe it's a little bit better that way. I think

2014
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 1: that My main things with with why I want to

2015
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:40,639
Speaker 1: see Drake may early and for most of the year.

2016
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 1: One I have to watch all these games, So just

2017
01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:48,880
Speaker 1: from an entertainment, I don't think about it that I'm

2018
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:53,880
Speaker 1: not I'm not thinking about it that way. But if

2019
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:57,200
Speaker 1: I have to selfishly, I am thinking about it. Okay,

2020
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 1: let me say it as a fan, like I'm thinking

2021
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 1: about that way as a work thing, yeah, but as

2022
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:03,880
Speaker 1: a fan, I feel like the sim similar.

2023
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:06,759
Speaker 2: Let me let me say this to the fans. If

2024
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 2: Patriots football is lesser in September of twenty twenty four,

2025
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 2: but it means their outlook is better for twenty twenty

2026
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 2: five and beyond. You're right, are you not willing to

2027
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:20,240
Speaker 2: trade that one month? It's a little bit lesser because

2028
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:22,960
Speaker 2: I am one, as a fan, as media, as all

2029
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:23,240
Speaker 2: of it.

2030
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:27,080
Speaker 1: One month, absolutely, one month to six weeks, a whole season.

2031
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:30,479
Speaker 1: It's gonna can can you give me? Can you give

2032
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:31,760
Speaker 1: me a month to six weeks? Can you give me

2033
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:32,599
Speaker 1: the Halloween? Sure?

2034
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:33,000
Speaker 2: Okay?

2035
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:35,880
Speaker 1: All right? David agrees with you. Yeah, on this point,

2036
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,519
Speaker 1: I normally find myself aligning with Evan, But as far

2037
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:40,759
Speaker 1: as the O line is concerned, I agree with Alex.

2038
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,120
Speaker 1: They should not be out there until the O line

2039
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:45,639
Speaker 1: is settled. No QB can six seed with a terrible

2040
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 1: O line said, unless you're Joe Burrow. Just look at

2041
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:49,920
Speaker 1: Mahomes in the Superows Joe.

2042
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 2: Burrow the terrible it's a line, Hey, name of season.

2043
01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:54,599
Speaker 2: Joe Burr didn't end hurt.

2044
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:55,760
Speaker 1: Well, he made the Super Bowl?

2045
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:58,080
Speaker 2: And did he play with like broken ribs?

2046
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 1: He was a couple of plays away from when he

2047
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:02,720
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl with a crap offensive.

2048
01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:03,959
Speaker 2: Line And how's it consense?

2049
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:07,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, that's fair. When you slice out the

2050
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:10,360
Speaker 1: blame pie of what went wrong with Mac, the god

2051
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 1: offa line had to work behind what was a huge

2052
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:17,720
Speaker 1: slice of that pie. Dave in San Jose, Thanks Dave

2053
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:19,680
Speaker 1: for the email. I think the biggest thing that I

2054
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:23,600
Speaker 1: would say to this is that we've we've found a

2055
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:26,679
Speaker 1: common ground, right, Let's we found a common ground throughout

2056
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 1: the course of the show that we both think that maybe,

2057
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 1: like the first month to six weeks of the season

2058
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 1: is a nice way to ease him into it, let

2059
01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:36,800
Speaker 1: him hold the clipboard for a little bit. But I

2060
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:40,479
Speaker 1: think the biggest thing that I've and I am admitting

2061
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 1: that I was wrong about this, I think that at

2062
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:48,400
Speaker 1: the end of the day, Mac Jones just wasn't it.

2063
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:54,679
Speaker 1: He just wasn't good. And to go back and say, well,

2064
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 1: Mac couldn't do it behind a bad offensive line and

2065
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 1: Mack couldn't do it with bad receivers, all the excuse

2066
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 1: that we use. And I get I'm being up a

2067
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:06,200
Speaker 1: critical but at the same time, I just feel differently

2068
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:09,879
Speaker 1: about Drake May. I feel like Drake May is mobile,

2069
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 1: he is bigger, he is tougher in the pocket. From

2070
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:15,839
Speaker 1: what we've seen at North Carolina. He dealt with pressure

2071
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:18,680
Speaker 1: at the college level, and I know it's different, but

2072
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:21,679
Speaker 1: he dealt with pressure. It wasn't like Mac Jones sitting

2073
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:24,800
Speaker 1: behind five five star recruits on the Alabama offensive line

2074
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 1: with all day to throw. He was under siege a

2075
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:27,719
Speaker 1: lot at North.

2076
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 2: Carolina and in the at different but it's it's and

2077
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 2: again I'll give you the same psyche. Anthony Richardson dealt

2078
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 2: with a ton of pressure in college. Big, physical, talented,

2079
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:45,599
Speaker 2: All of it got hurt. Happens just just I'm okay

2080
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:48,640
Speaker 2: exposing him to some pressure. Yeah, you have to, like,

2081
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:50,240
Speaker 2: you have to be okay with He's gonna be under

2082
01:37:50,240 --> 01:37:53,439
Speaker 2: some pressure, some pressure, not all of the pressure. And

2083
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:55,519
Speaker 2: last year with this offensive line was all of that

2084
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:58,120
Speaker 2: is the difference. It's not all or nothing. It's not

2085
01:37:58,360 --> 01:38:00,160
Speaker 2: it has to be perfect to put him out there,

2086
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:01,960
Speaker 2: but it does have to be better than it was

2087
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:05,120
Speaker 2: last year, and to start this season it might not be.

2088
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:08,720
Speaker 1: That's fair. I just think that he's more I think

2089
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:11,400
Speaker 1: the best way to put it, he's more equipped sure

2090
01:38:11,439 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 1: to handle adverse situations.

2091
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:15,800
Speaker 2: In Mac Jones, and that's fine. It doesn't mean you

2092
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 2: need to put him out behind what was it like

2093
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:19,920
Speaker 2: a thirty something percent past block win eight week.

2094
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 1: One One of the biggest misconceptions of us and this

2095
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:27,640
Speaker 1: show is that we were saying that Mac Jones was

2096
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:32,840
Speaker 1: this all world gifted quarterback. Our whole take on the

2097
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:36,760
Speaker 1: Mac Jones saga when it was going on, was that

2098
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:40,320
Speaker 1: because they have Mac Jones at quarterback, they need better

2099
01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:41,559
Speaker 1: protection and better receiver.

2100
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:43,560
Speaker 2: It okay, now load It was like, you got a

2101
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:46,280
Speaker 2: guy who can do just enough right, now, load up, right?

2102
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:48,240
Speaker 1: And I never loaded up, and I never loaded up.

2103
01:38:48,280 --> 01:38:50,559
Speaker 1: And that is what I think with Drake May. I

2104
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:52,280
Speaker 1: think he's got the skills to elevate.

2105
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I doesn't mean he can't load up.

2106
01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:55,400
Speaker 1: Though I'm not.

2107
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:56,519
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean he can't load up.

2108
01:38:56,560 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 1: I don't disagree, but I don't have as much fear

2109
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:04,600
Speaker 1: of him breaking mentally or physically than I did with

2110
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:07,680
Speaker 1: Mac because I feel like he's so much above that.

2111
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:09,439
Speaker 1: In terms of his physical talent.

2112
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 2: He might be above it. But again it was like

2113
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:15,120
Speaker 2: historically bad last year. That's I wouldn't put anybody behind

2114
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:18,000
Speaker 2: I wouldn't put Mahomes behind that. I wouldn't put Caleb

2115
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:19,280
Speaker 2: Williams behind it.

2116
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:21,559
Speaker 1: Like Mahomes was behind it. And almost want a Super

2117
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:22,280
Speaker 1: Bowl too, all right.

2118
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:24,519
Speaker 2: Holmes different, wouln't put Kabillas behind it. I'd be if

2119
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:26,760
Speaker 2: they dropped Caleb Williams, I'd be saying the same thing

2120
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:29,000
Speaker 2: right now. No, let's at least see with the offense,

2121
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:31,120
Speaker 2: and I'd probably be getting ripped because the first overall

2122
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:33,559
Speaker 2: pick and you got to start him. But let's at

2123
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:36,680
Speaker 2: least get a solidified starting five before we go to

2124
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 2: the quarterback.

2125
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 1: Fair enough. I do find it interesting, though, and this

2126
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:44,559
Speaker 1: is again I'm trying to learn. I'm trying to admit

2127
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:47,320
Speaker 1: when I'm wrong sometimes. So yeah, the whole Andrew Luck

2128
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 1: thing got me all. Everybody got all mad at me

2129
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:51,920
Speaker 1: about it. And you mentioned Joe Burrow and it is

2130
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 1: kind of interesting that he's just kind of going down

2131
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:58,280
Speaker 1: the same path, isn't he and the Bengals.

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01:39:58,160 --> 01:39:58,760
Speaker 2: Is Andrew Lucky?

2133
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, Conn and the Bengal have tried with that

2134
01:40:02,200 --> 01:40:05,840
Speaker 1: and their offensive line is better. But he had you know,

2135
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:09,240
Speaker 1: it was a risk right prest injury than a cl

2136
01:40:09,400 --> 01:40:12,400
Speaker 1: early on in his career. And these are probably more

2137
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:16,200
Speaker 1: severe injuries on the outside looking in than the injury

2138
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:19,000
Speaker 1: Lucks were. Andrew Luck was more like a build up of, like,

2139
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:21,479
Speaker 1: you know, horrible injuries. Yeah, some bad ones, but yeah,

2140
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:25,840
Speaker 1: it was it became I forget the word when you

2141
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:29,599
Speaker 1: have an injury that doesn't really go away permanent, no

2142
01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:34,640
Speaker 1: permanent and ill. Yeah, I'm not trying to do the

2143
01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:37,559
Speaker 1: whole Andre Luck thing. Again. I just think that you know,

2144
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:42,519
Speaker 1: there is that world right where these quarterbacks are they

2145
01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:45,640
Speaker 1: break even Trevor Lawrence, I feel like, is at that

2146
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 1: point too where he wasn't at his best last year

2147
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:51,080
Speaker 1: because he wasn't one hundred percent. So I hear what

2148
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:52,440
Speaker 1: you're saying, and I.

2149
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:54,720
Speaker 2: Chronic chronic issues, chronic where they just like don't they're

2150
01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:57,120
Speaker 2: always kind of there in the background, like Dustin Petroya. Well,

2151
01:40:57,160 --> 01:40:59,559
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, that's another one. I think you're hoping

2152
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:04,720
Speaker 2: that because Drake mays bigger part of the reason you

2153
01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:08,360
Speaker 2: want six and it's more than two twenty five than

2154
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:10,559
Speaker 2: the six. I mean the six four is obviously, but like, yeah,

2155
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:14,000
Speaker 2: he he's got some cushion, he's got some natural padding

2156
01:41:14,040 --> 01:41:16,479
Speaker 2: that like the hits, he's not the hits aren't gonna

2157
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 2: hit him as hard.

2158
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:19,240
Speaker 1: But Burrow's not a huge guy.

2159
01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:21,920
Speaker 2: Burrow's not like, yeah, Andrew Luck was Andrew Luck white,

2160
01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:25,200
Speaker 2: but he got the crappies out of him. Yeah, and

2161
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying, Like, that doesn't mean you want

2162
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:28,560
Speaker 2: to expose him to these and these are gonna be

2163
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:32,680
Speaker 2: the biggest like the acc you're talking about mostly like

2164
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 2: two hundred and sixty two hundred and sixty five. Keon

2165
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:37,719
Speaker 2: White is the exception for the acc not the rule.

2166
01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:40,479
Speaker 2: The guys are hit. He's never felt hits like at

2167
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:43,320
Speaker 2: least like Mac Jones coming from Alabama. He's getting hit

2168
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:47,280
Speaker 2: by NFL caliber player when he got hit, really get hit.

2169
01:41:47,439 --> 01:41:48,440
Speaker 2: That's a different conversation.

2170
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:51,960
Speaker 1: I hear you, and I don't want the Patriots to

2171
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:54,439
Speaker 1: send Drake Made down that path. So that's why we've

2172
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:56,519
Speaker 1: settled on maybe week six, maybe we.

2173
01:41:56,880 --> 01:42:01,200
Speaker 2: Just limit it. Yeah, Burrow's two fifteen. Yeah, he's gotten

2174
01:42:01,200 --> 01:42:03,759
Speaker 2: bigger since he got No he's listed as two fifteen,

2175
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:04,320
Speaker 2: but he's not.

2176
01:42:04,479 --> 01:42:06,360
Speaker 1: He's not tall though, right, he's only like six two.

2177
01:42:06,479 --> 01:42:07,599
Speaker 2: He's like six he's six y four?

2178
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:08,200
Speaker 1: Is he really?

2179
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:12,960
Speaker 2: No, he's tall That official is at his combine he

2180
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:14,960
Speaker 2: was six three and a half. Yeah, so they listed

2181
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:18,320
Speaker 2: at six four in two fifteen. Drake May is listed

2182
01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:21,280
Speaker 2: at he is over two twenty five six, he's six

2183
01:42:21,479 --> 01:42:23,320
Speaker 2: five to twenty five. He's like six four and a

2184
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:27,839
Speaker 2: half six four three eights. Yeah, so yeah, he's bigger

2185
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:29,439
Speaker 2: and he can take some more hits, and you hope

2186
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:33,439
Speaker 2: that's why a guy like Josh Allen is able to

2187
01:42:33,439 --> 01:42:36,120
Speaker 2: play as long as he has taking the beating he does.

2188
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:38,719
Speaker 2: It's why Camp and I know people think Cam Newton's

2189
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:41,600
Speaker 2: career was shortened by injuries, and it probably was, but

2190
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:46,240
Speaker 2: Cam ran so much. He lasted much longer than Cam

2191
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:48,920
Speaker 2: Newton played like Kyler Murray, but he lasted longer because

2192
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:50,559
Speaker 2: he could take the hits. He could absorb the hits.

2193
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:53,559
Speaker 2: Cam was a freaking linebacker. Yeah, so you're kind of

2194
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:55,920
Speaker 2: hoping with that for Drake May. But I don't think

2195
01:42:55,960 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 2: you use that as an excuse to say, ah, we

2196
01:42:58,400 --> 01:42:59,679
Speaker 2: can let him get hit. It's fine.

2197
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:03,320
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm just using I'm actually not even using

2198
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:06,680
Speaker 1: his size. I actually think it's more about his mobility.

2199
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:08,519
Speaker 2: And this is one thing that I well that that

2200
01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:10,599
Speaker 2: can be a double edged sword.

2201
01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:12,360
Speaker 1: But this is one thing that I keep saying to

2202
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:14,519
Speaker 1: you and to everybody else that will listen to me,

2203
01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:19,080
Speaker 1: because I'm dead fast on this. We are watching these practices,

2204
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:23,280
Speaker 1: and understandably so, he's operating from the pocket, and he's

2205
01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:26,240
Speaker 1: operating their base plays, and the idea is to hit

2206
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:29,000
Speaker 1: it on script and not go off script. We haven't

2207
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:32,040
Speaker 1: even gotten to see the Drake May. The Gamer version

2208
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:34,360
Speaker 1: of Drake May where he gets outside the pocket and

2209
01:43:34,439 --> 01:43:36,120
Speaker 1: makes throws on the move and makes plays with his

2210
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:39,679
Speaker 1: legs and extends plays, goes off script, that whole thing.

2211
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:42,840
Speaker 1: He's got a lot of that magic to him. So

2212
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:46,400
Speaker 1: when he's making these plays from the pocket in practice,

2213
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:49,599
Speaker 1: and it's already pretty good, it's not you're not looking

2214
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:51,920
Speaker 1: at a guy that's like in over his head in

2215
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:54,200
Speaker 1: these practices. Would you agree with that? He doesn't look

2216
01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:54,920
Speaker 1: like he's swimming.

2217
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:55,639
Speaker 2: He looks comfortable.

2218
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:58,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks comfortable. And then we haven't even been

2219
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:03,080
Speaker 1: able to add to like the playmaker gene that he

2220
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:06,040
Speaker 1: has to this because they're not asking him to do

2221
01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 1: that and they shouldn't be asking him to do that

2222
01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 1: in practice. I will be interested, and it might not

2223
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:11,840
Speaker 1: happen this year. This might be more of like a

2224
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:14,639
Speaker 1: next year thing, just because this year is all about

2225
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:19,080
Speaker 1: establishing that foundation. Eventually, they're gonna have to have plays

2226
01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:22,920
Speaker 1: for the playground. Plays the Chiefs do. The Chiefs have

2227
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:26,840
Speaker 1: a whole different set of rules of when Patrick Mahomes

2228
01:44:27,240 --> 01:44:30,479
Speaker 1: does his Patrick Mahomes stuff, he starts running around, what

2229
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:33,880
Speaker 1: are the receivers gonna do? Right? Are the that is

2230
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:37,680
Speaker 1: it's improvised, but it's scripted at the same time. So

2231
01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see how they go about doing that

2232
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:41,519
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And when we'll see that in the

2233
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:44,479
Speaker 1: preseason games, Like he'll start running around obviously in the preseason,

2234
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:46,040
Speaker 1: and we'll be able to see a little bit more

2235
01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:48,000
Speaker 1: of that. But I just feel like we're at a

2236
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:51,960
Speaker 1: baseline now of his ability from the pocket. And then

2237
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:54,880
Speaker 1: you add on top of that, Oh my god, when

2238
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:56,320
Speaker 1: this guy starts to be able to run around and

2239
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:58,840
Speaker 1: make throws on the move and extend plays and he's

2240
01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:02,880
Speaker 1: already doing in the hocket stuff decently. Now we're really

2241
01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:06,200
Speaker 1: talking about a quarterback that's much better than Jacobyrissett because

2242
01:45:06,280 --> 01:45:08,679
Speaker 1: Jacob Erissett doesn't add the extended play element.

2243
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:11,519
Speaker 2: We do have a Patriots roster move here.

2244
01:45:11,800 --> 01:45:12,600
Speaker 1: Oh.

2245
01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:15,479
Speaker 2: According to Aaron Wilson, the Patriots have signed wide receiver

2246
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:18,599
Speaker 2: Jacque Jackson from Rutgers christ.

2247
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:21,400
Speaker 1: How many wider six How many wide receivers are on

2248
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:24,200
Speaker 1: one team? That's thirteen wide Pittsburgh.

2249
01:45:24,720 --> 01:45:28,280
Speaker 2: He was not coached by uh Taekwon Underwood because he

2250
01:45:28,360 --> 01:45:32,559
Speaker 2: transferred to Rutgers last year from California, PA. I think

2251
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:38,280
Speaker 2: that's an ai A school played thirteen games, twelve starts.

2252
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 2: Last year was with the Falcons previously.

2253
01:45:42,160 --> 01:45:44,719
Speaker 1: Okay, last question here and then we'll talk a little

2254
01:45:44,720 --> 01:45:45,720
Speaker 1: bit of Celtics.

2255
01:45:45,320 --> 01:45:46,520
Speaker 2: Before ip.

2256
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:52,439
Speaker 1: Brillio Brillio. Sorry, I'm really sorry from Mexico. I think

2257
01:45:52,479 --> 01:45:54,519
Speaker 1: we're getting to the point where everybody runs the same

2258
01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:57,120
Speaker 1: type of offense, Like this is a general NFL question, yeah,

2259
01:45:57,120 --> 01:45:59,040
Speaker 1: which I think is probably something we should have not

2260
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:01,479
Speaker 1: answered in the last five minutes of the show. What

2261
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:04,680
Speaker 1: different system outside the West Coast offense bases are there

2262
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:07,120
Speaker 1: actually in the NFL? It seems like they're in hard

2263
01:46:07,120 --> 01:46:10,280
Speaker 1: Perkins system, which is the Patriots old offense under McDaniel's

2264
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:15,120
Speaker 1: wife O'Brien maybe is dead. Maybe outside of the Bills

2265
01:46:15,160 --> 01:46:18,920
Speaker 1: and Dable runs that system, so does Sean Payton, so

2266
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys. Or Champayte might be an

2267
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:23,760
Speaker 1: air Coriel guy. I can't remember where one it is,

2268
01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:28,400
Speaker 1: so air Coriol still has some roots in the league.

2269
01:46:29,320 --> 01:46:31,880
Speaker 1: Sean Payton I think is either EP or air Coriol.

2270
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:34,679
Speaker 1: I can't remember which one it is. And I believe

2271
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:37,639
Speaker 1: that Kellen Moore is still running a version of Air

2272
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:40,280
Speaker 1: Coriel because that's what they ran with Garrett in Dallas,

2273
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:43,360
Speaker 1: so that still exists out there a little bit. And

2274
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:47,080
Speaker 1: then there's always see so many different branches of West Coast.

2275
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:50,920
Speaker 1: So you have Andy Reid's branch, which is West Coast

2276
01:46:50,920 --> 01:46:54,439
Speaker 1: Spread right at West Coast College, which is different from

2277
01:46:54,680 --> 01:46:57,880
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan's West Coast offense which is so heavy under

2278
01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:00,519
Speaker 1: center and pro style. So I would say these are

2279
01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:04,639
Speaker 1: two different offenses, even though they their verbiage might overlap

2280
01:47:04,680 --> 01:47:07,160
Speaker 1: a little bit because they're both West Coast. I would

2281
01:47:07,200 --> 01:47:13,240
Speaker 1: say that Andy Reid's offense, which is Reid stiching in Indianapolis,

2282
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:17,320
Speaker 1: like those teams Philly notoriously now see what Kellen Moore

2283
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:21,839
Speaker 1: does with it. Those teams are running a different version

2284
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:25,000
Speaker 1: of what the Patriots are installing in a West Coast offense.

2285
01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:27,200
Speaker 1: So I'd say those two offenses are a little bit different.

2286
01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:29,840
Speaker 1: But just in general, the spread, if you want to

2287
01:47:29,880 --> 01:47:32,400
Speaker 1: just call it that, instead of getting bogged down in

2288
01:47:32,439 --> 01:47:34,960
Speaker 1: the West Coast minutia of but all the spread would

2289
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:36,960
Speaker 1: be the other system. I would say that's very, very

2290
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:40,519
Speaker 1: prevalent in the league right now. You have obviously Kansas City,

2291
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:44,719
Speaker 1: Cincinnati runs a version of the spread. Those teams are

2292
01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:48,439
Speaker 1: are not running it's not our briles, it's not you know,

2293
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:51,280
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffen. But it's a spread offense. It's not air

2294
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:54,599
Speaker 1: raid necessarily, so it's NFL.

2295
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:55,760
Speaker 2: Cliff's very proved that.

2296
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:58,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard. It's hard. The players are just too athletic,

2297
01:47:59,240 --> 01:48:03,160
Speaker 1: even Cliff Kingsbury in the end, and Arizona started to

2298
01:48:03,240 --> 01:48:06,080
Speaker 1: do some more pro style stuff that wasn't true air

2299
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:08,960
Speaker 1: raid well because they you just can't. You can't run

2300
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:10,120
Speaker 1: the line splits, that's right.

2301
01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:11,920
Speaker 2: So so a big part of air raid is the

2302
01:48:11,960 --> 01:48:16,080
Speaker 2: tackles or further or the linemen further apart.

2303
01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:18,919
Speaker 1: And you're not your your splits off of the receivers.

2304
01:48:20,120 --> 01:48:22,519
Speaker 2: I don't think the receivers issue. I don't think it's

2305
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:24,600
Speaker 2: the receivers thing that doesn't transfer. I am waiting for

2306
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:26,479
Speaker 2: the Tennessee offense to get to the NFL because it

2307
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:27,799
Speaker 2: will and that's going to be interesting.

2308
01:48:27,880 --> 01:48:30,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, that one I think it's really to me,

2309
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:33,000
Speaker 1: it's it's like, first of all, the the receiver splits.

2310
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:37,200
Speaker 1: I think that there's no condensed formations in air raid usually. Yeah,

2311
01:48:37,240 --> 01:48:40,960
Speaker 1: it's all spread obviously, and with Tennessee, I think the

2312
01:48:41,240 --> 01:48:45,400
Speaker 1: difference is just that it's so rudimentary from a Reid standpoint,

2313
01:48:45,680 --> 01:48:49,000
Speaker 1: that these these sophisticated defenses in the NFL. I mean,

2314
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:51,320
Speaker 1: you you'd adjusted for the NFL, but you know, with

2315
01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:53,360
Speaker 1: air raid, I think the problem was the offensive line

2316
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:55,080
Speaker 1: are so far apart. The guys are just so athletic.

2317
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:56,840
Speaker 1: They can split the gaps. You can't double team, you

2318
01:48:56,840 --> 01:49:01,759
Speaker 1: can't pass off Tennessee. The offensive alignment is relatively normal.

2319
01:49:02,280 --> 01:49:04,479
Speaker 1: It's I mean, if you go and watch them, they

2320
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:11,280
Speaker 1: literally will have wide receivers towing the sideline on both sides. Yeah,

2321
01:49:11,479 --> 01:49:13,960
Speaker 1: they want to call you to cover every single.

2322
01:49:14,439 --> 01:49:16,599
Speaker 2: I could see something like that getting to the NFL.

2323
01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:20,680
Speaker 2: I think the air raid issue was more the line.

2324
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:23,639
Speaker 2: I'll still say, bring bring back the wing, t run

2325
01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:24,880
Speaker 2: the triple, somebody please.

2326
01:49:25,200 --> 01:49:29,000
Speaker 1: Well, some teams run Baltimore. Some teams runge versions of

2327
01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:32,160
Speaker 1: the Vier like Baltimore, and I love the Vier, the Vera.

2328
01:49:32,360 --> 01:49:36,040
Speaker 1: The Vera is not dead and Baltimore not as much.

2329
01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:40,320
Speaker 1: With Monkin, there's more of who's playing him, the guy

2330
01:49:40,360 --> 01:49:45,080
Speaker 1: before Monkin now Roman, Yeah, Greg Roman, who's now in

2331
01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:48,799
Speaker 1: Los Angeles with Jim Harbass. So I'd be interesting to see.

2332
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:51,080
Speaker 2: What they run. The crap out of the ball.

2333
01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:53,160
Speaker 1: If they run the verer with Justin Herbert, then he

2334
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:55,280
Speaker 1: should be fired. That's all I'm gonna say about that.

2335
01:49:55,320 --> 01:49:57,920
Speaker 1: And running the veer with Lamar Jackson's one thing, because

2336
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:03,080
Speaker 1: he's Lamar Jackson. The veer with Justin Herbert is ridiculous.

2337
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:03,879
Speaker 1: That wouldn't.

2338
01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:04,360
Speaker 2: Roll it out.

2339
01:50:04,479 --> 01:50:06,280
Speaker 1: This isn't this isn't Needham High School.

2340
01:50:06,360 --> 01:50:09,120
Speaker 2: All right, roll it out. It's harbor. He he has

2341
01:50:09,160 --> 01:50:11,880
Speaker 2: no interest in putting the ball in near not zero.

2342
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Speaker 1: All right? Before we wrap up really quickly, Game one

2343
01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:17,719
Speaker 1: of the NBA Finals tonight, Alex, I'm jazzed up. You're going,

2344
01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:21,040
Speaker 1: I'm assuming yes, sports up, so he'll be there the

2345
01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:23,719
Speaker 1: sports up. Give me what's your key to the series

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01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:24,840
Speaker 1: for the Celtics.

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01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:27,880
Speaker 2: Uh, to me if Porzingis can come back. So I

2348
01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:32,920
Speaker 2: think that however you want to rank them, don Chic

2349
01:50:33,040 --> 01:50:35,720
Speaker 2: and Kyrie and Tatum and Brown.

2350
01:50:35,680 --> 01:50:36,920
Speaker 1: Is kind of a wash.

2351
01:50:37,120 --> 01:50:39,880
Speaker 2: Like they'll have their They'll each individually have their moments,

2352
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:41,960
Speaker 2: and I expect Luca to win the Mavericks a game

2353
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:44,879
Speaker 2: like single handedly. But I think the Celtics big advantage

2354
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:47,400
Speaker 2: in this series is when you get past the top

2355
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:51,080
Speaker 2: two players the Celtics have, we'll see what Chris stops

2356
01:50:51,080 --> 01:50:55,320
Speaker 2: porzingis looks like. But porzingis holiday Derek White, Al Horford's

2357
01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:57,000
Speaker 2: gonna go back to the bench. That's gonna improve that

2358
01:50:57,040 --> 01:51:01,240
Speaker 2: second unit tremendously. Everybody slotted back in. Whereas like Derek

2359
01:51:01,320 --> 01:51:03,920
Speaker 2: Liveley's a fine player, I get, but like he's not

2360
01:51:04,160 --> 01:51:06,920
Speaker 2: on the level. If you're gonna draft the series the

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01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:09,679
Speaker 2: first four would go two and two, then how many

2362
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:12,120
Speaker 2: Celtics are you taking before you get to a player

2363
01:51:12,160 --> 01:51:16,160
Speaker 2: on the Dallas Mavericks. I think it's all about depth, which, oh,

2364
01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:18,639
Speaker 2: the Celtics don't have it off depth, that's your concern.

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01:51:18,720 --> 01:51:20,960
Speaker 2: You're being ridiculous. It's the NBA. I wonder who has

2366
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:23,120
Speaker 2: giving me that take for months. Depth is gonna win

2367
01:51:23,120 --> 01:51:25,120
Speaker 2: the Celtics in the NBA. Fun, Depth is gonna win that.

2368
01:51:25,240 --> 01:51:26,880
Speaker 2: You were the one that was concerned that they didn't

2369
01:51:26,920 --> 01:51:28,920
Speaker 2: have depth. Right now you're saying they're gonna win the

2370
01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:31,280
Speaker 2: finals because they do have depth, and you're giving me

2371
01:51:31,320 --> 01:51:33,280
Speaker 2: a hard time about that. I told you for you

2372
01:51:33,320 --> 01:51:35,400
Speaker 2: told me death doesn't matter in the NBA. I know

2373
01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:37,600
Speaker 2: I did not tell you that. I told you that

2374
01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:40,120
Speaker 2: their third center was not gonna I also thought they

2375
01:51:40,120 --> 01:51:42,080
Speaker 2: were gonna play. I thought they were gonna play the Nuggets.

2376
01:51:42,160 --> 01:51:44,320
Speaker 2: So it's a completely different conversation if they ended up

2377
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:44,920
Speaker 2: playing the Nuggs.

2378
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:47,400
Speaker 1: See, now we're changing, We're moving the goalposts, we're changing

2379
01:51:47,439 --> 01:51:47,920
Speaker 1: the argument.

2380
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:50,599
Speaker 2: Now I was all of my Celtics takes were predicated

2381
01:51:50,600 --> 01:51:52,479
Speaker 2: on them playing the Nuggets in the finals. I'll admit that.

2382
01:51:52,479 --> 01:51:53,839
Speaker 2: I have no problem admitting that.

2383
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:57,840
Speaker 1: Uh my quick Celtics take because I'm now a basketball savon,

2384
01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:00,280
Speaker 1: so I know everything there is to know. The bigest

2385
01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:03,479
Speaker 1: thing that I would say about the Celtics is, you

2386
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:05,080
Speaker 1: know you you laid out like kind of the big

2387
01:52:05,120 --> 01:52:07,479
Speaker 1: picture of stuff, which I think everybody agrees with that

2388
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:10,719
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the Celtics depth and their scoring depth

2389
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:13,800
Speaker 1: really is what it is versus can they outdo them.

2390
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:18,080
Speaker 2: In their defensive depth like they have True Holiday in

2391
01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:23,439
Speaker 2: Derek White to counter Kyrie Irving and Luka Doncic who's

2392
01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:26,719
Speaker 2: the counter for Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown on Dallas

2393
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:28,360
Speaker 2: again like Lively's.

2394
01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:30,040
Speaker 1: Fun, they should the Celtics should be able to score

2395
01:52:30,439 --> 01:52:33,600
Speaker 1: in this series. What I'm fascinated by, and this is

2396
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:35,880
Speaker 1: where we talk a lot of off the air about

2397
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:38,320
Speaker 1: Joe Mazoola and if we think Joe Mizzool is actually

2398
01:52:38,360 --> 01:52:40,400
Speaker 1: a good coach, if the Celtics are gonna win the

2399
01:52:40,520 --> 01:52:44,040
Speaker 1: NBA Finals, I think that this is really gonna just

2400
01:52:44,160 --> 01:52:46,800
Speaker 1: be the deciding factor of if I actually believe in

2401
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:49,479
Speaker 1: Joe or not, because their pick and roll defense on

2402
01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:51,960
Speaker 1: Luca is probably gonna be the thing that wins in

2403
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:54,280
Speaker 1: the finals. Like, what's the scheme that they're gonna throw

2404
01:52:54,280 --> 01:52:57,439
Speaker 1: out Luka Doncic. You've seen the numbers, like switching is

2405
01:52:57,439 --> 01:52:58,439
Speaker 1: a death sentence. You can't.

2406
01:52:58,600 --> 01:53:01,120
Speaker 2: I think the numbers say drop. I think I think

2407
01:53:01,120 --> 01:53:03,559
Speaker 2: the numbers say blitz, but or blitz. Sorry, R're right,

2408
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:04,240
Speaker 2: But if it's such a.

2409
01:53:04,160 --> 01:53:06,280
Speaker 1: Small sample size because teams don't do it because you're

2410
01:53:06,280 --> 01:53:08,400
Speaker 1: sending two to the ball, right, So like that's the

2411
01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:12,400
Speaker 1: big thing. But with Luca, I really feel like you

2412
01:53:12,520 --> 01:53:14,559
Speaker 1: have to send two to the ball and what I

2413
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:16,680
Speaker 1: mean by that is blitz on the pick and roll

2414
01:53:16,720 --> 01:53:18,559
Speaker 1: and it's basically a double team at that point. And

2415
01:53:18,600 --> 01:53:20,000
Speaker 1: what you're doing is you're gonna get the ball out

2416
01:53:20,040 --> 01:53:22,519
Speaker 1: of his hands, Like he becomes a non factor if

2417
01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:26,040
Speaker 1: Luka Doncic is passing the ball and I know he's

2418
01:53:26,040 --> 01:53:29,040
Speaker 1: a gifted passer and he's got great cord vision. But

2419
01:53:29,120 --> 01:53:31,240
Speaker 1: if he's passing the ball at the top of the

2420
01:53:31,320 --> 01:53:33,800
Speaker 1: key to Derek Lively and then Derek Lively is like

2421
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:37,760
Speaker 1: driving on Al Horford and jamming or kicking out the PJ.

2422
01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:40,559
Speaker 1: Washington and hitting threes. If that's how you go down,

2423
01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:42,759
Speaker 1: then that's how you go down. Like I just feel

2424
01:53:42,760 --> 01:53:45,720
Speaker 1: like that you have to pick something, and I would

2425
01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:48,640
Speaker 1: much rather put this game this series. I guess I

2426
01:53:48,640 --> 01:53:56,160
Speaker 1: should say in Derek Lively, DJJ, PJ Washington, Gafford, like

2427
01:53:56,200 --> 01:53:58,360
Speaker 1: get let those guys beat you, right, Like, if those

2428
01:53:58,360 --> 01:53:59,920
Speaker 1: guys beat you, then you have to tip your cap.

2429
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:02,640
Speaker 1: And they beat you, they they got you. But I

2430
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:04,920
Speaker 1: don't think that's gonna happen. And that's sort of where

2431
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:08,080
Speaker 1: to your bigger point of the the depth. I am

2432
01:54:08,240 --> 01:54:12,479
Speaker 1: much more relaxed thinking that the Celtics are gonna be

2433
01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:17,479
Speaker 1: able to outscore Derek Lively and PJ Washington on corner threes.

2434
01:54:17,960 --> 01:54:20,920
Speaker 1: Then if they drop or they switch on Luca and

2435
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:23,200
Speaker 1: they just let Luca dance and let him do whatever

2436
01:54:23,240 --> 01:54:27,080
Speaker 1: he wants when they drop coverage on Luca and against Minnesota,

2437
01:54:27,320 --> 01:54:29,599
Speaker 1: he would get the defender like on his back hip

2438
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:32,120
Speaker 1: and then he's just a complete and he and I

2439
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:34,680
Speaker 1: think he loves being in that position because now he's

2440
01:54:34,680 --> 01:54:38,760
Speaker 1: like a quarterback and he's reading the he's reading the defense,

2441
01:54:38,760 --> 01:54:40,920
Speaker 1: and he's making plays and that's where his like wits

2442
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:43,920
Speaker 1: come in and his basketball IQ. If you just out

2443
01:54:43,960 --> 01:54:46,200
Speaker 1: athlete Luka Doncic, then you have a chance, right like

2444
01:54:46,240 --> 01:54:47,880
Speaker 1: you have to. That's how you have to do it.

2445
01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:50,800
Speaker 1: And so if you're blitzing him and you're putting, you know,

2446
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:53,040
Speaker 1: two good athletes in his face and then he's got

2447
01:54:53,120 --> 01:54:55,640
Speaker 1: to move the ball out of it, just let's let

2448
01:54:55,640 --> 01:54:56,680
Speaker 1: the role players beat you.

2449
01:54:56,760 --> 01:54:58,720
Speaker 2: What you just said is essentially what the Warriors did

2450
01:54:58,720 --> 01:55:00,640
Speaker 2: to Jason Tatum and the Celtics and twenty two. They

2451
01:55:00,760 --> 01:55:02,560
Speaker 2: kept plitzing him. He'd gets to the top of the key,

2452
01:55:02,600 --> 01:55:05,080
Speaker 2: they'd send two defenders and he'd panic and he'd turned

2453
01:55:05,120 --> 01:55:07,000
Speaker 2: the ball over time. And look, he's grown a lot

2454
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:09,600
Speaker 2: since then. I think a big part of his development

2455
01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:11,560
Speaker 2: is he's so much better now when he sees a

2456
01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:15,080
Speaker 2: second defender coming of just not panicking, making a decision

2457
01:55:15,080 --> 01:55:17,760
Speaker 2: and acting on it. But what you just described, I

2458
01:55:17,800 --> 01:55:20,600
Speaker 2: remember being at those games and here comes the second defender,

2459
01:55:20,640 --> 01:55:22,280
Speaker 2: and you just knew Jayson Tatum was about to throw

2460
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:23,960
Speaker 2: the ball away or trouble. Yeah, you just knew.

2461
01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:26,400
Speaker 1: He'll go and throw it away. But I just feel better.

2462
01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:29,080
Speaker 1: It's gonna go into the hands of a Lively or

2463
01:55:29,080 --> 01:55:31,600
Speaker 1: a PJ. Washington or something like that, and I just

2464
01:55:31,720 --> 01:55:32,560
Speaker 1: rather well.

2465
01:55:32,600 --> 01:55:35,800
Speaker 2: But if you can get a lead, you can press

2466
01:55:35,880 --> 01:55:37,840
Speaker 2: him a little bit and maybe he does start to panic.

2467
01:55:37,960 --> 01:55:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, that does it for Patriots Catch twenty

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