1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 2: My goodness, we are just recording like crazy and it 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 2: is a blast. We were having so much fun at 5 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 2: the Almost Names podcast, and today it's gonna be even 6 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,159 Speaker 2: more fun. We have a special guest, Hot off the 7 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 2: beach Less Sweaty Tanner. 8 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 3: Welcome. 9 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 4: Thank you, Ben, I appreciate it. 10 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 5: Tanner, tell us a little bit about yourself before we 11 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,159 Speaker 5: dive into paradise. We have some time. We like to 12 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 5: get to know, like your backstory a bit. Where you 13 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,639 Speaker 5: live in Pittsburgh currently. Is that where you grew up? 14 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 4: Yeah? 15 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, born and raised here at Pittsburgh. I've been here 16 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 6: for a while. I lived in New York City for 17 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 6: a bit right after college. But but yeah, I just 18 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 6: been working here at Pittsburgh. I worked at various jobs. 19 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 6: You know, I was a sales guy before the show, 20 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 6: so I was in insurance sales, software sales, medical sales, 21 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 6: and then recently mortgage sales. But I've always done fitness 22 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 6: part time, so I've worked at a bunch of gyms. 23 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 6: I've always been like, you know, personal trainer on the side. 24 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 6: So so that's what I'm doing full time. So I'm 25 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 6: no longer a sales guy. I'm going full time fitness here. 26 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 6: I just started, like back in October. But a pretty 27 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 6: normal guy. I mean, that's probably why I'm pretty boring TV, 28 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 6: because I'm just like, I'm a normal dude, pretty close 29 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 6: to my friends and family here in Pittsburgh, loved to travel, 30 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 6: so pretty normal, pretty boring. 31 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 2: The fitness thing. You know, I was doing a little 32 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: research before we got on. It also looks like you've 33 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: done some modeling in the past. 34 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 7: A little bit. 35 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, I years and years ago, so I graduated from 36 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 6: the University of Pittsburgh. I actually signed with Ford Models 37 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 6: in New York. So I lived in New York City 38 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 6: for about two years. 39 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 8: Ford it's a big deal. 40 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 7: At the time, I thought it was. 41 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 6: And I made like zero dollars in two years, so 42 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 6: I was I was poor and hungry living in New 43 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 6: York City. But it was honestly like the best experience 44 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 6: in my life. I mean, I was like twenty two, 45 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 6: just moved to New York and Ben, I was actually 46 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 6: watching your season. When I moved to New York. I 47 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 6: was friends with a bunch of girls and they would 48 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 6: get together on Monday nights and watch The Bachelor and 49 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 6: your season was twenty sixteen, right. 50 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty sixteen. My goodness. Really, so you're twenty two 51 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: and twenty sixteen. We're not that far apart in age. 52 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 2: So were you watching that back in the day. I mean, 53 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 2: I'm sure if you're watching with the girls are like 54 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: you should go on this, Tanner, like you could do this. 55 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 3: Were they saying that to you? 56 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,399 Speaker 6: Yeah, back when I was like younger at twenty two, 57 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 6: I definitely was considering it. And then you know, I 58 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 6: moved back to Pittsburgh, and you know how it goes. 59 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 6: I started dating a girl, got a job, started dating 60 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 6: another girl. Next thing you know, I'm thirty, and then 61 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,839 Speaker 6: my brother signed me up. So definitely like a long 62 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 6: time coming. But honestly, I'm kind of appreciative of the 63 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 6: fact that I went on a. 64 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 4: Little bit older. 65 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 6: I probably would have made an ask of myself if 66 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 6: I went on at twenty two or twenty three. 67 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: So I was very nervous about that myself. You know, 68 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: I was what twenty five, twenty six and so you were, 69 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: we weren't that far apart in age, and yeah, you're 70 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: just yeah, I look back, I'm like, I don't know 71 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: how I did that, Like I was an idiot and 72 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 2: somehow I pulled it off. 73 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks man, it's that old soul. 74 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 8: And Ben, what did did you earn a cardigan today? Tanner? 75 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 5: Did you continue to watch the show since Ben season? 76 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 6: To be honest, no, I think I watched Ben's season 77 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 6: was like the last time. I was like pretty invested 78 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 6: in the show and like watched it weekend and week out, 79 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 6: and then I would catch a couple of seasons, a 80 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 6: couple of episodes here and there over the past couple 81 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 6: of years, but once Chris left, I kind of stopped 82 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 6: watching it for the most part. I would tune in 83 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 6: and pay attention every once in a while, but yeah, 84 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 6: I was kind of like, uh, I was off of 85 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 6: it for a little bit, but found my way back. 86 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 4: Now I'm on it. You know. 87 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: The h Well, I think that's a lot of people's 88 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: like kind of path right now with The Bachelor. But 89 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: the Golden Bachler brought a lot of new people in. 90 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: We're not going to talk as much about the Golden Bachelor, 91 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: but people, you know, the ratings and the viewership was 92 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: really high, and those watch parties that you're just speaking 93 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: of seem to exist again for the first time in years, 94 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: which is really exciting for the franchise, And it's a 95 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: question I have for you. 96 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: You know. 97 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: Then we come from The Golden Bachelor to Paradise, and 98 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 2: Paradise is always one of Ashley myself's favorite shows to watch. 99 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: We love watching Paradise mostly because it just the weight 100 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: of like and the expectations For me at least, kind 101 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: of feel lifted. When you go to the beach, I 102 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 2: just want to see the craziness. I just want to 103 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 2: see a bunch of people like frolicking around sweaty. But 104 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 2: Paradise's response this year, you know, there's been a lot 105 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: of articles written about how like viewership from The Golden 106 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: to Paradise didn't necessarily translate. Do you have any feelings 107 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 2: now since you were on the beach? Why that was? 108 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 6: I don't know, man, It's super tough because I genuinely 109 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 6: loved watching The Golden Bachelor too. After that first episode, 110 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 6: I remember calling some of my friends and like, did 111 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 6: you watch that? That was like one of the best 112 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,119 Speaker 6: hour two hours of TV I've watched in a long time. 113 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 4: And I don't know. 114 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 6: I think it's just because people really related to even 115 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 6: though the cast was older. I think people just related 116 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 6: it because it just felt very, very real, and you 117 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 6: can tell that the people on that show were all 118 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 6: there for you know, we always say it for the 119 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 6: right reasons, but they were right. They're not looking for clout, 120 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 6: they're not looking for Instagram followers or any of that, 121 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 6: so they're really there for the right reasons. And then 122 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 6: I'm not saying people go on The Bachelor in Paradise 123 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 6: for that reason either, but it just feel it just 124 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 6: felt more real and people were willing to really put 125 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 6: themselves out there and be as vulnerable as possible, and 126 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 6: Paradise was I never really watched. 127 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 4: It, to be honest, before I went on the show. 128 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 6: You know, I went on The Bachelorette and people were 129 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 6: talking about Paradise, and you know, I was like, I 130 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 6: got to check out this show out before I even 131 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 6: consider going on it. So I watched just the last 132 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 6: season of Paradise, so season eight, and I'm watching it, 133 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 6: I'm like, I cannot believe that I'm about to be 134 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 6: on this show, Like. 135 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 7: This is absolutely insane. 136 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 6: It's super fun to watch, but when you're watching it 137 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 6: with the expectation that you might be on the show soon, 138 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 6: you watch it through a different lens. But yeah, yeah, 139 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 6: I don't know, it was a I don't know the 140 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 6: answer to your. 141 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:06,799 Speaker 4: Question, to be honest. 142 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 7: I think it's just they're just two completely different shows. 143 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 4: You know. 144 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 5: This season is just kind of like it sucks for 145 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 5: like you guys, for the audience, for production, just because 146 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 5: like there really wasn't any well lifelong even really like 147 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 5: short term matches. 148 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 6: I know, I mean it sucks. I mean, I can't 149 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 6: say I'm surprised, to be honest. I mean I was there, 150 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 6: and uh and I was with you know, I was 151 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 6: with it pretty much the most of the time. I 152 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 6: came in right after the first row ceremony. 153 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 7: I just didn't feel it. 154 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 6: You know, I didn't see a lot of couples growing, 155 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 6: you know, people that stayed together from the beginning to 156 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 6: the end. It just felt like they just chose each 157 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 6: other and they were just going to make it work, 158 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,239 Speaker 6: and they weren't really growing in the relationship while. 159 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 4: They're on the beach. Yeah, and you know, it turns 160 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 4: out that I was. 161 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 6: I was right when you know when I was saying, 162 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 6: just because with all the breakups that happened as soon 163 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 6: as after the finale, you know, and it's it's unfortunate. 164 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 7: You know. 165 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 6: I know that everyone tried and they tried to make 166 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 6: it work, but it's just I don't know. 167 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 7: It's tough. 168 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 6: We filmed it back in June, too, so it's really hard. 169 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 6: I can't imagine hiding a relationship for close to six 170 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 6: months and trying to grow it in that time too, 171 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 6: So it's it's tough. 172 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 4: I feel bad for him. 173 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, give us if you can, like a 174 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: h underneath the hood perspective. So you just said that 175 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: you weren't really feeling it, that you kind of had 176 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: this suspicion that these couples maybe weren't as strong as 177 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: what they needed to be. What was causing that? Was 178 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: it just a lack of chemistry based on the people 179 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: on the beach? Was it production stepping into much maybe 180 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: too much drama? 181 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 5: Like? 182 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 2: What kind of was causing the disconnects because we've never 183 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: seen a season like this before. 184 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's hard for me to pinpoint it, to 185 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 6: be honest, it's probably a combination of a lot of 186 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 6: different things. For me, I really tried to put myself 187 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 6: out there and really try to see everyone for who 188 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 6: they were and try to get there, and I never 189 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 6: did and that's why I left single, and that's why 190 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 6: you know, you may say whatever you want about me, 191 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 6: you know, dating around, but it's a dating show, you know. 192 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 6: And I tried to get there, and as soon as 193 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 6: I found out that I wasn't quite gonna get there 194 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 6: with anybody on the beach, I left right and I 195 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 6: and I kind of saw everything through. I think a 196 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 6: lot of people were just super hopeful. 197 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 4: And I don't. I really don't know. 198 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 6: It's it's tough, it's it's hard to see what those people, 199 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 6: when those relationships would be like outside of Paradise because 200 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 6: I've only seen them, you know, on camera and on 201 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 6: the beach. So it's a it's a super stressful environment. 202 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 6: So I can't I can't speak too much about it, 203 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 6: but it's a it's tough. It's tough being on the beach, 204 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 6: and I'm assuming it's really hard to nurture that kind 205 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 6: of relationship outside of the beach as well. 206 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 4: So it's I don't. 207 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 5: Know, let's talk about your relationships. We understand why the 208 00:08:54,760 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 5: one with Kat fell too, yeah, and that one didn't 209 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 5: work out, but what about your relationship with Daviya because 210 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 5: your date with her seemed really great you seemed really 211 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 5: in awe of her, and then all of a sudden, 212 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 5: you're just like kind of interested in moving to someone else. 213 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 8: What didn't we see? 214 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, I could speak on that for sure, and I 215 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 6: think a lot of it came down to, you know, 216 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 6: I came to the beach, I was interested in two people. 217 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 6: I was interested in meeting Kat and I was interested 218 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 6: in meeting Jess. And in my head, I mean, to 219 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 6: be completely transparent, I told myself, if I don't see 220 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 6: a relationship with one of those two, I'm gonna leave. 221 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 6: So really, once I stopped it with Kat, that's kind 222 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 6: of when my head started turning, and I was like 223 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,599 Speaker 6: should I even be here? Like should I leave Paradise? 224 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 6: And then because Jess wouldn't talk to me at that point, 225 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 6: you know, she was pretty much, you know. 226 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 4: All eyes on Blake. 227 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 6: She was kind of turned off in the fact that 228 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 6: I chose Kat over her, so that was kind of 229 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 6: just like, you know, she was kind of turned off 230 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 6: by that. So at that point I just felt like 231 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 6: I was just floating around. And then obviously I went 232 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 6: on the date with Davia and we had a really 233 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 6: amazing date. So actually, you're right, we did have an 234 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 6: amazing night, and I was hopeful to see like where 235 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 6: the relationship would go after that, But you know, the 236 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 6: next day, the next two days, it just didn't really grow. 237 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 6: And chemistry that I thought was there was there on 238 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 6: the night of the date, because you guys know how 239 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 6: those dates go. You're you know, you're having fun, you're dancing, 240 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 6: it's like you're super involved, you're super engaged with each other, 241 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 6: and then you know, a little bit of reality sinks 242 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 6: in when you go to your room and you wake 243 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 6: up the next day and you're journaling and you're thinking about, 244 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 6: you know, what you want. 245 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 4: And I took this very seriously. 246 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 6: I wasn't going to just leave in an engagement just 247 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 6: to treat it as like a dating right. I wanted 248 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 6: to see a legitimate future with this person if I'm 249 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 6: going to leave with them, And I kind of made 250 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 6: that decision up maybe like that that next day or 251 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 6: the next two days after the date, that you know, 252 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 6: maybe Davia wasn't my person. So that's when you know, 253 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 6: we kind of fell apart and ended up giving my 254 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 6: rose to Rachel that next rose timon, which was like 255 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 6: a huge surprise to everybody, But it really wasn't a 256 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 6: surprise to me or anyone on the beach. You know, 257 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 6: I was pretty conflicted, But at the end of the day, 258 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 6: I was like, is Dellvy and my person? I don't 259 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 6: think so I'm not really convinced she is, so let's 260 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 6: not kind of keep her around and waste her time. 261 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 6: And Rachel and I were really close friends. So I 262 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 6: gave her a rose, and you know, I was hopeful 263 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 6: to maybe see if something would happen from there. 264 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 5: So and what did because that was another missed storyline, 265 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 5: like what happened between you and Rachel in a day 266 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 5: or two where you just realize it wasn't her either, 267 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 5: especially after that like declaration that you gave. That was 268 00:11:54,720 --> 00:12:00,079 Speaker 5: like I daydream about my wife and finding someone and 269 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 5: it was so so sweet, But then it was like that, 270 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 5: I guess it's not Rachel. 271 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. 272 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,719 Speaker 6: I mean again, I'm super hopeful and optimistic. So it 273 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 6: was tough in those like conversations. You know, I wasn't 274 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 6: expressing my love to Rachel. I was just telling her 275 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 6: what I wanted and seeing a fit aligned with what 276 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 6: she did, and and that's what that conversation really was. 277 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 6: It may have looked a certain way, but it was 278 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 6: really just me explaining to her what I wanted out 279 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 6: of this and what did I want it outside of Paradise. So, 280 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 6: like I said, Rachel and I were pretty close. We were 281 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 6: drinking mimosas every day at the at the pool. We 282 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 6: were having fun. So that's what like the decision came 283 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 6: down to, is who do I want to drink mimosas 284 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 6: with at the at the pool tomorrow? And it's right, 285 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 6: so it's hang out. And again I was hopeful. I 286 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 6: was trying to see if it could grow into something else, 287 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 6: but ultimately it really just didn't. So it was a yeah, 288 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 6: it was tough. It was again throughout this entire time, 289 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 6: I was like, I don't think I even't want to 290 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 6: be here anymore. It was it was really for me 291 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 6: at a certain point. So yeah, I was just trying 292 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 6: to make the best of it. 293 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: The the you know, the thing that Ashley and myself 294 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: continue to talk about through this season was these storylines 295 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 2: that all of a sudden, like we would be invested into, 296 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 2: like you and Davia, We'd be like, Okay, this could work, 297 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 2: like let's talk about that, and then the show would 298 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: air the next week and you guys would be done. 299 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 2: But what I'm hearing you say and correct me or 300 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 2: explain elaborate on a little bit. Is like when it 301 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 2: comes to those storylines and you were on the beach, 302 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 2: you got to see this whole thing play out. Sometimes 303 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 2: maybe there wasn't a conversation or a disagreement, it was 304 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 2: the fact that you went to bed your journal. Do 305 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 2: you thought it through the next morning? You know, you 306 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: kind of woke up and you're like, yeah, this isn't 307 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 2: gonna work anymore, Like this isn't something that's long term. 308 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 2: So you have that situation. Were there other storylines as 309 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: you watch this season progress where you're like, that didn't 310 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 2: explain it fully, Like it felt like it missed the 311 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 2: mark a little bit because there were moments where actually 312 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 2: and myself were confused, like what happened that we didn't see? 313 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean there was a lot that I didn't 314 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 7: see it myself, you know. 315 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 6: I mean when you're on the beach, everything is happening, 316 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 6: and there's conversations being had, and and you know, I 317 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 6: was trying to stay in my lane. I wasn't trying 318 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 6: to pay attention too much. But I mean even watching 319 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 6: a back then, I was confused too. Even watching Kylie 320 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 6: run up and talk to Blake. That threw me off 321 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 6: completely when I was watching, Like I didn't even know 322 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 6: that they were that close to friends. I was like, 323 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 6: is she trying to be with Blake? I'm like, what 324 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 6: is this Like? Even watching it back, there was times 325 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 6: where I was confused and I was there and uh so, yeah, 326 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 6: I don't know, there was a lot of conversations, had 327 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 6: a lot of conversations that weren't had. I don't know 328 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 6: if it was the editing that just kind of made 329 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 6: it confusing, but it was a it was just a 330 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 6: weird season. 331 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 4: I don't know. 332 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, but what you're saying is you were even confused 333 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 2: being on the beach. So it's not like there were 334 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 2: things happening that just weren't shown. Maybe it's that like 335 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: sometimes they were just situations just not happening, like things 336 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 2: were not happening. Maybe, so that's why I felt confusing. 337 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 5: Like all they could do was put like you and 338 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 5: Rachel drinking mimosas and then put some awkward music behind it. 339 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 5: That would be the only way that they could convey 340 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 5: that something wasn't like amping up. 341 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, And for me, it was like I never quite 342 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 6: got there with any of the girls on the beach, 343 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 6: and that's why it always looked very surface level with 344 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 6: our conversations, because they really were you know, it's you know, 345 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 6: I was with Kat for a few days and that 346 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 6: wasn't gonna work, and then I went on a date 347 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 6: with Davia for and then it was like the rose 348 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 6: ceremony was pretty much like two days after that. So 349 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 6: it was like, you know, I was just feeling everything 350 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 6: out enough and then to realize it wasn't going to work, 351 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 6: and then it would kind of. 352 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 4: Fizzle it away, fizzle away. 353 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 6: So yeah, I never really quite got there with with anybody, 354 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 6: and I'm not sure if anybody really did, even with 355 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 6: the couples that stayed from day one to the very 356 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 6: very end. 357 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 4: So it's I don't know, it's a. 358 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 8: Got to talk about them. We got to talk about 359 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 8: them now, Okay. 360 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, hold up, I have one question before you jumping back, 361 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 2: I have one question. I just want to know. I'm curious, 362 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 2: what does it feel like to watch yourself on national 363 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: television show up to a beach and have all these amazing, wonderful, 364 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 2: beautiful women be like sweating and like hyperventilating and talking 365 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 2: about how good looking you are and how excited they 366 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 2: are that you're there. Did that watching it back make 367 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 2: you feel awkward excited? Was there anybody that were saying 368 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 2: something about you that now you're like, okay, now that. 369 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 8: This isn't yeah, let's revisit her. 370 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go back to this. 371 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 7: Yeah. 372 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know, man, it was It was 373 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 6: definitely crazy watching that first episode and seeing the interest 374 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 6: because like, as a guy, it's like, yeah, you think 375 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 6: maybe girls are interested in you, but then you just 376 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 6: kind of keep on living your life. You're never really sure. 377 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 6: So it's it's actually really cool to see what people 378 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 6: are thinking in those moments. 379 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 4: But I don't know, it was fun. It was a 380 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 4: good time. 381 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 2: Any you didn't answer any revisits, any anybody sparking interest again. 382 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 6: Jess was always kind of there, to be honest, you know, 383 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 6: one of the main reasons why I went. You know, 384 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 6: I felt like I messed it up in the beginning 385 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 6: and I truly never even got to know where. So 386 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 6: seeing her how excited she was to meet me in 387 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 6: the very beginning, you know that that kind of sucked 388 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 6: because I felt like our experience com Paradise would have 389 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 6: been a lot different if it I would have took 390 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 6: Jess on that date, k not Cat, So. 391 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 8: Will you talk to her? 392 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 4: We'll see. I don't know. 393 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 6: I feel like first impressions are big. Yeah, they're bigger 394 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 6: for some other For some people, I can kind of 395 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 6: work through things. But I think that ship is officially sailed, 396 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 6: which I'm not mad about. You know, I'm friends with 397 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 6: everybody on the cast now, and you know, I'm never 398 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 6: rolling anything out, but it's it's one of those things 399 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 6: where it's, you know, it's tainted a little bit, and 400 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 6: it would take a little bit of work, and yeah, 401 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 6: I'm just not sure if it would anything whatever happen 402 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 6: going forward, But we'll see. 403 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 3: I hope she listens to this episode and she just 404 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,719 Speaker 3: you know, you get a message. 405 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 5: She's coming on our podcast tomorrow. We could, but we 406 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 5: could play matchmaker. We want to call back in. 407 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 3: We'll get a feeling. We'll get a feeling. 408 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 2: Tune in Tanner and you'll get a response to your curiosity. 409 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 3: We'll be the middle middle people. 410 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 4: So I'm good. Appreciate you gay. 411 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 5: So Kylie and Avan, how were they on the beach? 412 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 5: Because to me, to be Frank never felt like a 413 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 5: ton of like just love there. I never felt like 414 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 5: he was like super happy, never really saw a conversation 415 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 5: of substance. Was that a couple that you could have 416 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 5: seen working in the real world? 417 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 4: You know? 418 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 6: It is to answer your question, and the reason being 419 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,719 Speaker 6: that they chose each other, and it seemed like they 420 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 6: were going to continue to choose each other, which is 421 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 6: so important with a successful relationship. Right It's almost like 422 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 6: they made it up in their minds, like this is 423 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 6: my person and I'm your yours, and we're going to 424 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 6: figure this out together. But to double back on that, 425 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 6: I didn't really feel it when I was there. Yeah, 426 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 6: what you're seeing on TV is pretty accurate of how 427 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 6: it felt being on the beach. I felt like there 428 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 6: was definitely a mutual interest and respect there, But you know, 429 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 6: I didn't see them laughing together and you know, doing 430 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 6: cute little things together like you're supposed to when you 431 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 6: first meet someone, especially because they knew that they were 432 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 6: interested kind of going in. So I don't know, it 433 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 6: was tough, you know it was. I was watching it 434 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 6: and people were saying that they're so strong, that's such 435 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 6: a strong relationship. 436 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 4: I'm like, I. 437 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 8: Guess it is, but like that's what you're telling me. 438 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 7: But like that's what they're telling us too, right, We're 439 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,239 Speaker 7: we're so in on each other. So I'm like, all right, 440 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 7: we'll see. 441 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 2: But and there's an element there too looking back, where yeah, 442 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 2: they're a very strong relationship compared to every other relationship, 443 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 2: but like none of these relationships, you know, were ones 444 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 2: that were like secure ever in anybody's mind. 445 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's tough. 446 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 6: You know, if I could change anything about the structure 447 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 6: of Paradise, I feel like they should just put everyone 448 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 6: on the beach and maybe have a few later rivals. 449 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 4: But I don't know, I feel having everybody there, you. 450 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 6: Know, maybe not do as many one on one dates, 451 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 6: you know, really have everyone just kind of mingle and 452 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 6: actually meet each other and date around. 453 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 4: You know, that might make. 454 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 6: For a better show and better relationships post filming, just 455 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 6: because you have a better chance of like actually meeting everybody, you. 456 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 8: Know, for me, pretty good idea, Yeah. 457 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 6: I think so, because like someone like Jordan who came 458 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 6: in on Rachel's season, who came in late and went 459 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 6: on a date with Rachel. You know, if that dude 460 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 6: was there week one, he may have met Mercedes week two, 461 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 6: and then they may have like you know, went to 462 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 6: the very end. Yeah, just like they just didn't start 463 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 6: dating or talking until like a few days before proposals, 464 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 6: and how do you expect that to flourish into anything? 465 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 6: And same thing with Jess and I where she gave 466 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 6: me that last rose and I was like, let's go, 467 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 6: We're back, and not honestly like it was just like, 468 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 6: you know, two days where it was two days after 469 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 6: that was proposals. It's like, what are we even doing here? 470 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:08,719 Speaker 4: But I don't know. 471 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 6: It's it's tough when you get these different waves of 472 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 6: people coming in and you know your person may have 473 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 6: been their week one, but you come in week. 474 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 2: Four, right, and it has felt what you're the concept 475 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 2: you're saying, I do, it's just come to mind now. 476 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 3: Other seasons have felt less. 477 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: Like new people showing up that could definitely rock the 478 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 2: boat so far into the process. It has felt more 479 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 2: of a mingling experience for larger groups, with a few 480 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 2: couples splitting off. 481 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 3: But oftentimes, you. 482 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 2: Know, we have had many like kind of like free 483 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 2: agents for weeks on the beach who have like had 484 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: some friendships and maybe gone a few dates but kind 485 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 2: of stayed around. This season did feel like there was 486 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 2: always somebody new coming in to kick the person who 487 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 2: wasn't in a relationship out, and so these relationships never 488 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 2: like solidified. It did feel kind of chaotic at times, 489 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 2: more than other seasons. 490 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 4: I guess, yeah, I think it was. 491 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,239 Speaker 6: I think it was chaotic the entire time because as 492 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 6: soon as one relationship started to floor, someone would come 493 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 6: in and and ask them to go on a date, 494 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 6: and then there'd be another love triangle. And I know 495 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 6: the love triangles or what what makes paradise go around, 496 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 6: but it's, uh, I don't know, it's it's it's tough 497 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 6: to see just because you want to see successful relationships 498 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 6: coming out of the season, and and everyone there wants 499 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 6: to be in a relationship too, so it's it's tough. 500 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 6: I know, you got to make good TV, but you 501 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 6: also want to be able to, you know, come out 502 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 6: balance it, yeah, balance it and I and I know 503 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 6: that's a tough job for the producers to do too. 504 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 6: So it's I don't know what the solution is, but 505 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 6: just from my experience. 506 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 5: You got those people bouncing around because nobody really liked 507 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 5: each other. 508 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 3: We really liked each other. 509 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 7: That just may have been it. 510 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 4: At the end of the day. 511 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 6: It's just like there was no matches, which you think, 512 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 6: but also like not that crazy. 513 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 5: There's I guess when you have nine seasons though, like 514 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 5: you're gonna have one season where you just don't get matches. 515 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 5: They've been really lucky before. It's really amazing that they've 516 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 5: had a couple to count from each season except for 517 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 5: season one. 518 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 4: Wow. 519 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 5: Okay, wait, so Kylie daven not done with them yet? 520 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 5: When was the last time you talked to them? Because 521 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 5: they're of all the breakups that theirs is the most salacious. 522 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say Kylie and Avan, I I don't 523 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 6: talk to I haven't. I haven't really talked to them 524 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 6: post show too much. There's a couple of instagram the dms. 525 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 6: We support each other, but there's no conversations really had. 526 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 8: So it's not like you have any inside scoop to 527 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 8: give us. 528 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 4: I wish I did. I really have nothing. I haven't. 529 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 6: I haven't even talked to them post all this news too. 530 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 6: I'm trying to give them some space. But yeah, yeah, 531 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't know the details, but I 532 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 6: feel for both both of them. Obviously, I feel for Kylie, 533 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 6: but I know Avan's down bad too. It's it's it's 534 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 6: a tough situation. 535 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 2: I'm very curiously also get your take on the John 536 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 2: Henry Cat relationship, because obviously Kat was somebody you went 537 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 2: on a date with that you got to know fairly well. 538 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 2: I guess like one of the few on the beach 539 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 2: that you really, you know, spent some quality time with. 540 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 2: That relationship ended fairly quickly. Do you know when it? 541 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 2: You know, did it end way before the finale? Because 542 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 2: it didn't feel like that to me. It felt like 543 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: things were good. This week, everybody feels like they're posting 544 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 2: big announcements like we're moving in together or we're making 545 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 2: this work, and then the next day it's like, yeah, 546 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 2: we decided it's not. 547 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 7: Yeah, John Henry's my voice. 548 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 4: I'll let them speak on the timeline of things, don't. 549 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 6: I don't want to say that because I don't know 550 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 6: the exact details and dates and things that happened. But 551 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 6: I will say when I was on the beach with them, 552 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 6: I legit thought it was going to work, you know, 553 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 6: had I had a bet with Olivia that they would 554 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 6: last pass September first, and she said they wouldn't. And 555 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 6: Jerry still out on who won that bet. But uh, 556 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 6: I legit did think they were gonna work because John 557 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 6: Henry's just like, he's a simple dude, and I thought 558 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 6: he was gonna be able to handle Cat and like 559 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 6: and cared too much about, like, you know, how she 560 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 6: acts and everything. And I saw how much chemistry they 561 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 6: did have in person, so I was like, maybe it's 562 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 6: gonna work. And I was rooting for him too, you know, 563 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 6: even in paradise. I told John Henry, I was like, dude, 564 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 6: if you're indoor, go for it. You know, she may 565 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 6: be different with you than she was with me. And 566 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 6: I obviously talked John Henry up to Cat too, So 567 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 6: I don't know, I'll let them speak to the time 568 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 6: on It sad to see that they broke up too, 569 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 6: That's just that sucks. 570 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 3: You actually thought this was when you thought could work. 571 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 7: I did, No one else did, Okay, But was. 572 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 5: Your jaw on the floor when he actually proposed because 573 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 5: the two of them were together for. 574 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 8: Like a week and then he goes like the most. 575 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 5: Hilarious proposal moment goes my gut says no, but my 576 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 5: heart says yes. If you're starting my proposal with your 577 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 5: gut says no, just please stop. 578 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 4: I know I don't know. 579 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 7: Yeah, that was tough. 580 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 4: That was tough. 581 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 8: Always go with your gut is a saying. 582 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 3: For a reason, a tough scene. 583 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 7: I don't know if you meant gut or heart or what. 584 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 6: Well. 585 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 5: So Jill and I were talking about this on the 586 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,719 Speaker 5: Recap podcast. We said that perhaps he kind of meant like, 587 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 5: my brain thinks this is crazy, my mind says no, 588 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 5: but my heart says yes, which sounds better than gut. 589 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 6: I've always struggled with like I got to follow your 590 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 6: heart and you follow your head. It's like, I don't 591 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 6: It's hard for me to distinguish the both. I don't 592 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 6: really understand that. 593 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 5: You're right, people say follow your head, fall your heart, 594 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 5: fill your gut, Like, what do we follow in here? 595 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 4: I don't get it. 596 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 2: Well, I mean and two as you and Jel are 597 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 2: time that Like, I don't think you start any proposal 598 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 2: with this any seat of doubt. 599 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 3: I don't think any. 600 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 2: Doubt if it's your head, if it's your heart, at 601 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 2: your feet, whatever, Like, I just don't. 602 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 3: I don't think you might be like, hey, we'll take 603 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 3: take some time here. 604 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 7: Yeah it's the last thing. Someone was here like, hey, look, 605 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 7: this is a terrible idea. 606 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 3: But let's get married, make it work. 607 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 8: Do you think there's a lot of pressure on him 608 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 8: to propose. 609 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:15,719 Speaker 4: I don't know. 610 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 7: I mean, it doesn't it doesn't seem like I wish 611 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 7: I could speak more on that. 612 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 4: I really, I really don't. 613 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 6: Know, because there's really no pressure at that point. It's 614 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 6: like they they met pretty late in Paradise. I feel 615 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 6: like they're yeah, sure if they were like a week 616 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 6: one arrival and they were with each other, but like, 617 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 6: you know, they didn't really talk about even dating until 618 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 6: like it was like fantasy suites and then there are 619 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 6: all of a sudden, he was getting on one knee, So 620 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 6: I don't know, I don't know. 621 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 8: He was like, we've had no fights, we've really had 622 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 8: no deep discussions. 623 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 4: But yeah, so. 624 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 3: Wild that's good for him. 625 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 4: It didn't work out. 626 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: What was the other really ship coming out? Oh, Aaron 627 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 2: and Eliza? Do we know officially if they're yeah, they're done, 628 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 2: they're done. 629 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 8: I also didn't feel their love very strongly. Tanner. 630 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 7: Uh, you know, their relationship was Tanner. 631 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 6: Uh. 632 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 7: Their relationship was very cat and mouse. 633 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 6: You know, it was like very like Aaron would be 634 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 6: kind of chasing her and Eliza would like, you know, 635 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 6: give them a little bit of attention and then they'd 636 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 6: be great, and then all of a sudden they wouldn't 637 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 6: be talking as much. So their relationship was kind of 638 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 6: challenging on the beach. So I would assume if it's 639 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 6: challenging there in Paradise, it's going to be challenging outside 640 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 6: as well. And apparently it was. You know, I don't 641 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 6: know the timeline of when they broke up or like 642 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 6: what's going on with them? 643 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 7: Really, I still need to talk to ab about that, 644 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 7: but yeah. 645 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 6: It's just, uh, I don't know, it's it's it has 646 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 6: to be tough to manage those relationships right outside of Paradise. 647 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 2: It's a it was a wild season, Tanner. A couple 648 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 2: of things I want to rapid fire with you before 649 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 2: we say goodbye. Obviously we were very appreciative that you 650 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 2: came on the beach. I think, uh, some of these 651 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 2: rapid fire questions that we wrote down, I think I 652 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 2: could answer. If you were to say, who would you 653 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 2: wish you would have pursued on the beach, I think 654 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 2: the answer to that is yes, right, yeah, yeah, who 655 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 2: started the most drama in Paradise? 656 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 8: Kat more than Olivia. 657 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 6: Oh, I love Olivia is my best friend from the 658 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 6: beach honestly, like, I love Olivia even though she like 659 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 6: was involved with the drama and the commentary was everything, 660 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 6: like she is just telling it how it is. 661 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 4: I love I love that girl. 662 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 5: Did you follow that drama the other night on Instagram? 663 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 5: M TikTok or whatnot? 664 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 4: I literally said, it wasn't it wasn't even involved. It 665 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 4: had nothing to do with her. 666 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, But then Cat got all defensive, like, why would 667 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 5: you post a video about paradise like the day I 668 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 5: announced my breakup? 669 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 2: I don't know everybody's breaking up every day right now? 670 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 2: You nearly time it perfectly exactly. 671 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 6: And I know for a fact Olivia and a Cat 672 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 6: like they don't talk every day. It's not like there 673 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 6: was an agreement like I'm gonna do this. Livia is 674 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 6: just postally. I think she reposted it TikTok about herself. 675 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 4: Too, So that's what I thought. 676 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 5: Okay is overreaction probably most likely Okay more rapid fire. Ye, 677 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 5: which contestant got the drunkest most often? 678 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 4: I'm saying myself, what was the drinking choice? 679 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 7: Oh my god? 680 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 6: I mean depends on the time, but I mean I'm 681 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 6: drinking mimosas and then honestly tequila SODA's most of the day, 682 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 6: and then at night maybe switched to red wine just 683 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 6: to change it. 684 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 4: Up a little bit. 685 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 6: But there was some scenes where I was watching on tevas, like, 686 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 6: oh geez, I got to get my together. 687 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 8: I never noticed it from you. 688 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 3: Some cloud clouds in the eyes. 689 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, I get that. Oh my god. Yeah, so probably me. Unfortunately, 690 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 6: how does Wells do? 691 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 7: It? 692 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 3: Makes him? Drink? 693 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 4: Wells is the best. 694 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 6: Honestly, if I can go back and just talk to 695 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 6: Wells the whole time, I probably would. 696 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 4: He's got to have heavy poor that's great. 697 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 5: Oh so so Olivia said that Wells like was pouring 698 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 5: really heavy. But then one time, because he kept getting 699 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 5: this criticism from her, he gave her like a drink 700 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 5: without anything in it, without any alcohol, and she still 701 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 5: complained it was too strong, and he was like, you 702 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 5: just think that alcohol Apparently like that orange juice tastes 703 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 5: like alcohol. 704 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 8: That's because there's nothing in there but orange juice. 705 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is I. 706 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 2: I got that story months ago from Wells where he 707 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 2: told me that He's like, yeah, she complained it was 708 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 2: so heavy, so strong, and so he's like, I made 709 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 2: it less and less every time. Finally I made sure 710 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 2: to do it on camera. I made a drink, gave 711 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 2: it to her, and she still went, oh, this is 712 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 2: so strong. 713 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 8: He's like, roll back the footage. 714 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, she's so dramatic. Oh, Ben, you might have some 715 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 6: insider scoop for me. So early, I think before Paradise 716 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 6: even aired this year, Wells said that someone was being 717 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 6: rude to him like the cast because and I need 718 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 6: to know who it was, because that would piss me 719 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 6: off so bad, because I always felt bad going up 720 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 6: to Wells and ordering a drink, like he'd be talking 721 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 6: to a group of people and you know I need 722 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 6: another one. I'm like, I don't want to like make 723 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 6: him get me a drink he's talking. So I was 724 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 6: always super like cautious of like, hey, like Wells, whenever 725 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 6: your time, cant you a drink? No big deal, It's okay. 726 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 6: I know you're busy. 727 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 7: But who do you know who is being rude to 728 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 7: him on my season? 729 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,959 Speaker 3: I do know. I won't say names. I will tell 730 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 3: you it's not you by any means. 731 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 2: In fact, then give us a headline. 732 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 3: Come on, I can't give you a headline. I can't 733 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 3: do that. 734 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 8: Okay, can I guess though? 735 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 5: It was that guy who I don't even remember his name, 736 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 5: but he was the one that like threw the secret box. 737 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 3: Interesting. I can't do that to a buddy, you know. 738 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 2: WELLS and I talk about this show very little, but 739 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 2: when I was due, it's it's a place of secrecy, 740 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 2: and I swear to him, I will never say anything 741 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 2: about it. I will say when he comes off of 742 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 2: the season, usually for whatever reason, it's been a month 743 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 2: since I've seen him, I'll meet up with him. And 744 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 2: he did mention a few guys yourself included that he 745 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 2: just enjoys talking to Like I think he likes it 746 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 2: when there's people there that just really genuinely want to 747 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 2: like talk and hang out, and I think he appreciates that. 748 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 2: But yes, there was a there was this season more 749 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 2: than any. He came back and was like, yeah, there's 750 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 2: some people give me a hard time, Like I don't 751 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 2: know why, Like it's ridiculous, why are you giving me 752 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 2: a hard time. I'm just there to you know, make 753 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 2: drinks and talk to people. 754 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 3: So he's the best. 755 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's the man. 756 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 6: And uh, like I said, I was super nervous when 757 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 6: I heard that. I'm like if he thinks that I 758 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 6: was rude, then like I think of my power for 759 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 6: Wells Adams to like me at this? 760 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 3: No, no, now you at all? 761 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 4: All right? 762 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 7: Cool, Well we'll talk offline. 763 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 4: We'll figure that out. 764 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 8: Okay, Well, Tanner, thank you so much for joining us. 765 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 8: This is really fun and quite insightful. 766 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really good. Problem. Yeah, anytime, guys. It was 767 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 4: nice to meet you. Guys. Have been following you guys 768 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 4: for a while, so it is cool. 769 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 3: Tanner, appreciate it. 770 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 2: Come back. Hopefully see you get on the beach. I 771 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 2: don't know, hopefully you have a girlfriend by then. And 772 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 2: also I've I've enjoyed following along as I was doing 773 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 2: my research that you know, you and Sam and some 774 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 2: of these others you know are doing some cool stuff together. 775 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 2: If anything, friendship came from this season, which is something 776 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 2: to celebrate. 777 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, one hundred percent came back with a lot of 778 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 6: show or a lot of friends from the Bachelorette and 779 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 6: uh and even more from Paradise. 780 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,919 Speaker 4: So thank great. 781 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 5: All right, Well thanks the next time I've been Ashley, 782 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,879 Speaker 5: I've been Ben Tanner, close us. 783 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 4: Out, see you guys. 784 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 3: Bye, That works perfect, see you man. 785 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 786 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.