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Speaker 2: I had an engineer once who was specifically working in Python.

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Speaker 2: It was looking for roles that were heavily using Python.

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Speaker 2: His resume did not say Python anywhere, and when I

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Speaker 2: asked why, he said, well, I thought it was obvious.

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Speaker 2: We forget that the recruiters have not done the jobs

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Speaker 2: that they are hiring for. So if you don't say

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Speaker 2: it and you don't point it out, they're going to

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Speaker 2: assume you don't have it.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 4: I hope everyone heard that, because I definitely would leave

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Speaker 4: things out and be like, well, of course I would

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Speaker 1: I still leave things out now, like we just naturally assume,

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Speaker 1: oh right, the person would just know, No, they don't.

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Speaker 5: Baby.

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Speaker 1: It's like, if someone likes you like, they can't just

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Speaker 1: assume that you know you like them. You gotta tell them.

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Speaker 4: O God from LinkedIn News and I heard podcasts.

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Speaker 3: This is Let's Talk Offline. I'm Giana Prudenti.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Jamaie Jackson Gadsden. You guys, this is a

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Speaker 1: brand new podcast and gian and I are super excited

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Speaker 1: to help you navigate your work life. I want you

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Speaker 1: to think of her and me as your two new

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Speaker 1: work besties. We're gonna be having super honest and real

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Speaker 1: conversations and answering the questions that you might not feel

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Speaker 1: comfortable asking your manager, co workers, or even your best friend.

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Speaker 4: And we've got lots to cover, negotiating your pay, setting boundaries,

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Speaker 4: making friends in the office, you know, all those unspoken

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Speaker 4: rules of work. This is let's talk offline, a show

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Speaker 4: about what it takes to thrive in the early years

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Speaker 4: of your career without sacrificing your values, sanity, or sleep.

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Speaker 4: Today we're talking all about applying for jobs and me

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Speaker 4: many many challenges that come with that, specifically what you

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Speaker 4: should do if you feel like you just don't have

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Speaker 4: enough experience for the job. Imagine you're looking at a

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Speaker 4: job opening for an entry level position. You're going through

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Speaker 4: the job description and it's looking good, but all of

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Speaker 4: a sudden, you see that one requirement that stops you.

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Speaker 4: It says this job requires three plus years of experience.

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Speaker 4: Dunt dunt dun, And you're like, well, I'm a new

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Speaker 1: Oh, we've all been there before.

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Speaker 4: We've all been there, and listen, we're going to talk

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Speaker 4: to you today about why all experience is valid. And

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Speaker 4: joining us in just a bit is Morgan Sanner. She

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Speaker 4: is resume official on TikTok and she's going to tell

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Speaker 4: us how we can all effectively tell our stories to

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Speaker 4: show employers why we are the right candidates for the jobs.

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Speaker 4: But before we get into that, Tomay, I think we

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Speaker 3: What do you think, Yeah, let's do it. Why don't

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Speaker 3: you start us off?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Cool? Hey y'all. So I am Jamaie Jackson Gatston.

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Speaker 1: I went to Howard and then when I graduated a

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Speaker 1: past decade, I've been working in media, the arts, the

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Speaker 1: that's kind of a little bit about what I do

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Speaker 1: at LinkedIn too. I get to do things like host

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Speaker 1: that nasty dick out of like tooting their own horn, baby,

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Speaker 1: because let me tell you that horner will get you paid. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what else? I'm a dog mom of three, and I

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Speaker 1: also love anything that is scary. So if you love

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Speaker 1: scary things, scary movies, TV shows, genres, YouTube channels, send

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Speaker 1: me everything. Let us bond together in scary secrecy. Gianna,

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Speaker 1: what about you?

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Speaker 3: So I graduated college.

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Speaker 4: But I studied journalism at Syracuse University, and if my

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Speaker 4: to speak to people like you, listening about your careers,

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Speaker 3: And what else. I love baking.

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Speaker 4: That's what I do outside of my day job. If

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Speaker 1: Knows I would love that. And guys, please send Gianna

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Speaker 4: But as you can see, Jamay and I have different

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Speaker 1: this show was about y'all. This is not about me

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Speaker 4: Yes please, and you can send us your questions over email,

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Speaker 1: Okay, back to today's topic. Y'all, when you're first starting

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Speaker 4: this week we have a question from Samuel in Colorado.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: So I have been finishing up my shared course work

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Speaker 1: So Samuel, first of all, shout out to you, Bethty. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Global hell, honey, we need it right about now. Okay,

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Speaker 2: In this instance, I might not even put Starbucks on there.

438
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Speaker 2: I would maybe put other work experience and put you know,

439
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Speaker 2: Barista Starbucks in the dates, and that's it, not even

440
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Speaker 2: add any bullet points, and then we can really focus

441
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 2: the upper half of the resume on the skills and

442
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 2: the coursework that you've done, especially if you've done any

443
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Speaker 2: projects that are directly within the field, or if you

444
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Speaker 2: have any publications that relate to the jobs that you're

445
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Speaker 2: looking for. I try to work in terms of most important,

446
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Speaker 2: the things that you absolutely cannot let the recruiter miss,

447
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 2: down to least important.

448
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Speaker 1: Yeah, since he's a recent grad, what are things that

449
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Speaker 1: he should be thinking about as he's applying for jobs.

450
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Speaker 1: I mean, you've already broken down sort of what the

451
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Speaker 1: resume should look like, but what are some other things

452
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Speaker 1: that Samuel should be thinking about as they continue to

453
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Speaker 1: apply for different opportunities.

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Speaker 2: I would say marketing yourself on LinkedIn, as well as

455
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Speaker 2: possibly building out a portfolio if you do have any

456
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Speaker 2: publications or any kind of work that could be uploaded.

457
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 2: Those are always really great just to see samples of

458
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Speaker 2: your actual work. Another thing I've had past clients do

459
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 2: is they will find ways to start freelancing or just

460
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 2: taking on small projects, because sometimes you know, they can't

461
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Speaker 2: afford to hire somebody full time with those kind of skills,

462
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Speaker 2: but they might have a small research project that's only

463
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Speaker 2: a couple of months, so possibly going outside of just

464
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 2: looking at full time work, which does stink. You know,

465
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Speaker 2: you want a permanent solution so you're not job searching

466
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Speaker 2: again a few months later. But sometimes it really is

467
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Speaker 2: just getting your foot in the door and getting some

468
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Speaker 2: of those work experiences under your belt first.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's such good advice, and I can relate to

470
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Speaker 4: Samuel because when I started out on my resume, maybe

471
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Speaker 4: I shouldn't have had it on, but I did put

472
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Speaker 4: that I worked at an ice cream shop for like

473
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Speaker 4: four years and I was in a management role there,

474
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Speaker 4: which like sounded so flashy at the time, and I

475
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 4: was like, you know what, they're like trusting me to close,

476
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 4: like I'm working like the cash register, Like I'm working

477
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 4: with all this cash, So you know, I do think

478
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 4: there's a huge benefit of at least speaking to those

479
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 4: customer facing roles in the interview, or maybe there's transferable skills,

480
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Speaker 4: like I'm sure you a great listener because you're taking

481
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 4: people's orders, you're building relationships, and you know a lot

482
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 4: about the products at Starbucks. I'm sure like he can

483
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 4: take kind of those skills as well and speak to

484
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Speaker 4: them in the interview, even if it's not on his resume,

485
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 4: because there's a lot of value in those customer facing roles,

486
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Speaker 4: and I think we tend to discount that when we're

487
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Speaker 4: starting out because we're like, oh, it's not related to

488
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 4: what I want to do. But really employers like to

489
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Speaker 4: hear that stuff, and maybe they worked at Starbucks or

490
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Speaker 4: like then it starts a whole conversation about like their

491
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Speaker 4: favorite drink. I was talking about ice cream in interviews,

492
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Speaker 4: like it just broke the eye and it helped us

493
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Speaker 4: create bonds. So I think that's really good advice to

494
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Speaker 4: kind of at least, you know, think about the coursework

495
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Speaker 4: that's relevant and how you can gain experience outside of

496
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Speaker 4: you know, traditional work experience, and then also maybe speaking.

497
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Speaker 3: To this in the interview or you know, cover letter

498
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Speaker 3: or whatever it might be.

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Speaker 1: Love that advice. So would you recommend if, like for instance,

500
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Speaker 1: Samuel or anyone else out there who's just starting out,

501
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 1: that they look at the job description and make sure

502
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Speaker 1: that at least from the skills perspective, that everything in

503
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: there is included in some way, shape or form in

504
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Speaker 1: the resume.

505
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Speaker 2: Oh yes, this is I've probably said this sentence and

506
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 2: more of my videos than any other, and it's that

507
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 2: if it is in the job description, it has to

508
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: be in your resume if you have that skill or

509
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 2: have done that responsibility, because the recruiters never going to

510
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 2: make positive assumptions for you because they don't know you.

511
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: They haven't met you. They have this piece of paper

512
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: and that's how they get to know you. I had

513
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Speaker 2: an engineer once who was specifically working in Python. It

514
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: was looking for roles that were heavily using Python. His

515
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 2: resume did not say Python anywhere, and when I asked why,

516
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 2: he said, well, I thought it was obvious. And I think,

517
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 2: especially when it comes to technical people, we forget that

518
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 2: the recruiters have not done the jobs that they are

519
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: hiring for. They have done recruitment. So if you don't

520
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 2: say it and you don't point it out, they're going

521
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Speaker 2: to assume you don't have it.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

523
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Speaker 4: I hope everyone heard that, because I definitely would leave

524
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Speaker 4: things out and be like, well, of course I would

525
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Speaker 4: have it.

526
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Speaker 3: Why else would I be applying to this role.

527
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Speaker 1: I still things out now, like we just naturally assume,

528
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Speaker 1: oh right, the person would just know. No, they don't.

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Speaker 5: Baby.

530
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Speaker 1: It's like if someone likes you, like, they can't just

531
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Speaker 1: assume that you know you like them, you got to

532
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Speaker 1: tell them. O.

533
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Speaker 3: God.

534
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Speaker 4: This has got me thinking now as we talk about skills,

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Speaker 4: I see this a lot on LinkedIn debate on how

536
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Speaker 4: to add skills to your resume. Do you recommend a

537
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 4: completely separate skills section or weaving in those skills as

538
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 4: keywords throughout your experience section in the bullet points.

539
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Speaker 2: So I prefer both. I will say for the skills section,

540
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Speaker 2: I usually call it core competencies, and I really try

541
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Speaker 2: to focus on the hard skills. So when I say that,

542
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Speaker 2: it's not to say that soft skills are not important,

543
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Speaker 2: because they are. But a lot of times I can't

544
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Speaker 2: tell you how many resumes I've seen where it has

545
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 2: a skill section it says things like leadership, detail, orientation, communication,

546
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Speaker 2: just those things that we assume you have. You know,

547
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: to be in the workforce, no matter what role it is,

548
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 2: you have to have good communication skills. And if you

549
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 2: think of how recruiters might use the search functionality in

550
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 2: an applicant tracking system. If I'm trying to slim down

551
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: my list of one thousand resumes and I'm looking for

552
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: someone that has Python skills, what are the odds I'm

553
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: going in and typing in communication probably very slim to none.

554
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: So think about what skills you would search for if

555
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 2: you were applying to this role.

556
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Speaker 1: And the other thing.

557
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Speaker 2: When it comes to the bullet points, I like to

558
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: use what's called the who format. It stands for what

559
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: did you do? How did you do it? And what

560
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 2: was the outcome? And the how did you do it?

561
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: I think is very often missed because that's where people

562
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 2: make assumptions. So the other day I had a client

563
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 2: that said, you know, I built the client's website, and

564
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 2: I said, Okay, what goes into that? And then all

565
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: of a sudden, it's all this requirements gathering. You have

566
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: to understand what system and framework they use in their website,

567
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 2: their sales system. There's so much that goes into designing

568
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 2: a website that when you just say you develop a website,

569
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Speaker 2: it leaves a lot up to assumption and a lot

570
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 2: of your hard work it's left on the table. So

571
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Speaker 2: it's important to do a little bit of both.

572
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Speaker 4: Yeah, don't leave your hard work on the table. And

573
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 4: I love that framework. I think Jamay and I are

574
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 4: gonna have to go look at our resumes after this.

575
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Morgan, can you just like elaborate just a little

576
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Speaker 1: bit more on the WHO method, only because I'm thinking

577
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Speaker 1: a lot about how a lot of people, myself included,

578
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: sometimes struggle with quantifying the experience or quantifying the impact,

579
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: and from the WHO method, it seems like even if

580
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: there are no numbers to support it, there's still qualitative

581
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: things that you can share that really gets to show

582
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Speaker 1: that impact. And I'm thinking a lot for like early

583
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: career professionals that really being something that they can lean into.

584
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Speaker 1: Can you maybe give like a couple more tips on

585
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Speaker 1: how we can incorporate the WHO asking for a friend.

586
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: Oh yes, this is probably the second most common thing

587
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: I say on my page, and it's that at the

588
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: end of the day, you've always had an impact, whether

589
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: you realize it or not. So if my clients are

590
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: really struggling with this, I play a little game called

591
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: what if you vanished? So let's pretend you're a customer

592
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: service representative and all of a sudden you don't go

593
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 2: to work, and not only that, but your coworkers actually

594
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: can't step in for you. So now, all of a sudden,

595
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: there have been fifty customers that haven't been able to

596
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: check out. That's ten thousand dollars of merchandise that wasn't sold,

597
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: the truck wasn't unloaded. Now there's how many items that

598
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 2: are not on the sales floor. It doesn't matter that

599
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 2: wouldn't actually happen, and that your co workers would step

600
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: in for you, because it's your resume. You're selling yourself.

601
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Speaker 2: So I would start there. Just think about what would

602
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: happen if I didn't show up. And another tip I

603
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: use is if you just go to chat GBT, ask

604
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: it what metrics can I use as this person? It'll

605
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: give you hundreds of examples if you need that many.

606
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: Oh, I love that. What if I just disappeared for

607
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: a day, what would happen?

608
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 2: What if I did move to Switzerland and opened a

609
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: coffee shop?

610
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: What if I did that?

611
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: I don't know.

612
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Speaker 4: You know, we talked a lot about building a resume,

613
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 4: and that's a big part of the job search process.

614
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 4: First finding jobs, going through the job description, then you

615
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 4: create your applications, you apply, you interview. It's a lot

616
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Speaker 4: and I hear from a lot of new grads, especially

617
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Speaker 4: on LinkedIn, that they're applying to like one hundred jobs

618
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 4: and not hearing back, which is so discouraging. So I'm

619
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Speaker 4: wondering what's your advice to people like them who have

620
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 4: applied to a ton of jobs haven't had much luck

621
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Speaker 4: hearing back from employers. What should they be doing?

622
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Speaker 2: It is important to acknowledge that the job market is

623
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Speaker 2: not the best right now, so it is absolutely possible

624
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: that your resume could be in the best shape it's

625
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: going to be and you might still not hear back.

626
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: At that point, though, I would start to consider switching strategies,

627
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: whether it be applying for roles that maybe you weren't

628
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: initially considering, so maybe expanding your range. This happens a

629
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Speaker 2: lot too, where some companies just have weird job titles,

630
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: quite frankly, so you might need to scale back and

631
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Speaker 2: maybe use less words, search for the most simplistic job

632
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: title that you can think of, because sometimes there's some

633
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 2: hidden gems in there. And then you might also consider

634
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: looking at your resume, just maybe getting a second opinion

635
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: on it from somebody within your field especially, and just

636
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: making sure that at the end of the day, when

637
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 2: you look at your resume and you look at the

638
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 2: job description, when you think do I look qualified for

639
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: this role, the answer is yes. The answer needs to

640
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: be yes.

641
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. So we've talked a lot about experience, but Morgan,

642
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: we got to send you out on a spicy note. Okay,

643
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: and I have a couple of things. First of all,

644
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Speaker 1: what is the wildest thing you have ever seen on

645
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: a resume? And have you ever seen people lie to

646
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: get their first job.

647
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: I've definitely seen people lie. And I think a lot

648
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: of people unfortunately don't know about background checks and how

649
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: thorough those can be, especially when it comes to job

650
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: titles and education. Those will be checked. Please do not

651
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: lie about those. And the craziest thing I've ever seen

652
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 2: on a resume it was somebody who was in graphic

653
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: design and they put it was the weirdest resume I've

654
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: ever seen in my life. There was in the middle

655
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Speaker 2: a circle pie chart and it had broken down how

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Speaker 2: he spent his day down to like sleeping, so it

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Speaker 2: said like eight hours asleep. I spent some time doing this,

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Speaker 2: this is when I make dinner. And then on the

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Speaker 2: outskirts of the resume were his actual it's experiences I'll

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Speaker 2: say quote unquote because they still were not super related

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Speaker 2: to the job. I was just incredibly confused. I also

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Speaker 2: one time had somebody send in a W two instead

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Speaker 2: of a restume. So that was that.

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Speaker 1: You guys are turning around. At least with the pie chart.

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Speaker 1: He should have put like his roles and responsibilities in

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Speaker 1: the chart and then everything else secondary, like don't make

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Speaker 1: the name bread buddy, your sleep and food and rest

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Speaker 1: and everything.

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Speaker 2: He was like, you guys can take away that I

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Speaker 2: sleep eight hours a day. I'm a well rested candidate.

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Speaker 2: That's what my takeaway was.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, I'm jealous of his eight hours, but I know

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Speaker 4: it was a very balanced day.

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Speaker 3: That is balanced.

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Speaker 4: Those are really good examples of what not to do,

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Speaker 4: and you shared so much great advice on what you

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Speaker 4: should be doing. So I hope everybody finds this conversation

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Speaker 4: super valuable.

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Speaker 3: I know they will. Morgan, thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: joining us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you guys so much for having me. This was great.

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Speaker 3: That was so much fun.

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Speaker 4: But we got more to come, so stick around because

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Speaker 4: we'll be right back after the break.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Gianna Morgan was dope.

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Speaker 3: I loved her advice.

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Speaker 1: I loved her advice, and she gave me so much

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Speaker 1: to think about. So, Okay, a couple of takeaways that

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Speaker 1: I took was, first of all, you got to get

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Speaker 1: into the business of highlighting yourself like a salesperson, you

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Speaker 1: are your best advocate. And then I loved that she

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Speaker 1: referenced the whole method because I think, especially for early

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Speaker 1: career professionals or people who are navigating in new spaces,

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Speaker 1: you may not have the data points yet to back

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Speaker 1: up what you're doing, but you at least have the

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Speaker 1: insight to know the impact of what you are doing.

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Speaker 1: So really focusing on those things, and those are things

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Speaker 1: I'm taking with myself. I'm going to give my resume

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Speaker 1: a nice little you know, spruce, a little facelift, a

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Speaker 1: little boatox this weekend. What about you? What did you

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Speaker 1: take away?

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Speaker 4: Listen, my resume is collecting dust, which it s not be,

703
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Speaker 4: but we got to get in there and refresh it.

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Speaker 4: But I totally agree. I loved all of those tactical

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Speaker 4: tips she shared. I really love that she emphasized this

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Speaker 4: idea that you need to broaden your definition of experience.

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Speaker 4: If you're thinking about just what jobs have I had

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Speaker 4: that are relevant to the field I'm going into, you

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Speaker 4: might not have anything to put on your resume, but

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Speaker 4: when you think back and you spend some time reflecting, Okay,

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Speaker 4: what courses did I take? What projects? In those courses

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Speaker 4: you know, really stood out to me and maybe I

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Speaker 4: did a senior capstone that I can speak to.

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Speaker 3: What volunteer work did I do?

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Speaker 4: What clubs were I involved in? There's probably so many

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Speaker 4: things you have done throughout your college experience in and

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Speaker 4: out of school that you can frame as actual work

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Speaker 4: experience once you reflect on them. And I think with

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Speaker 4: that framing which she mentioned, is including metrics so important

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Speaker 4: and telling a story instead of just listening your responsibilities

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Speaker 4: on your resume, share actual anecdotes about that time when

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Speaker 4: you and your team had to build a capstone project, right,

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Speaker 4: And I think that's what really resonates. Everyone loves to

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Speaker 4: hear stories, and that is what's important.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: Your resume isn't going to speak for itself. You have

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Speaker 4: to then sell yourself in an interview and or in

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Speaker 4: your networking, in your outreach to make these connections with humans. Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely all great takeaways. Oh.

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Speaker 4: I love Morgan, me too, And I want to give

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Speaker 4: a quick shout out to Samuel for sending us his question. Now,

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Speaker 4: if you're like Samuel and you have a burning question

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Speaker 4: that you want Ja May and I to answer on the.

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Speaker 3: Show, which I know you do please tell us.

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Speaker 4: You can leave us a voicemail, send us an email,

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Speaker 4: or message us on LinkedIn. All the information on how

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Speaker 4: you can reach out to us is in the show description.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Now, Gianna, let's do something a little different.

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Speaker 3: I'm ready.

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Speaker 1: I am really excited for this next sette, which I

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Speaker 1: think is going to be a little controversial. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: get the girls talking. Okay, this is called cool or Cringe.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be sharing our tape on a topic

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Speaker 1: that's going to change out each week and deciding if

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Speaker 1: it's cool or cringe. What do you have this week?

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Speaker 4: Okay, it's eighty five degrees today. So the topic is

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Speaker 4: shorts at the office. And the reason I bring this

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Speaker 4: up is because in some industries, like you work a

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Speaker 4: finance job, I'm sure people would not imagine wearing shorts

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Speaker 4: to the office. But in more casual workplaces like LinkedIn,

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Speaker 4: I see shorts all the time. So I'm wondering, what's

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Speaker 4: your take? Cooler cringe?

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The first time I ever brought my mom up in here,

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Speaker 1: she was like, this is how people dress. I mean,

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Speaker 1: she wore like a suit every day because she worked

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Speaker 1: in the government, so she was very like, oh, this

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Speaker 1: is strange. You know, I like a little short moment

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Speaker 1: like but okay, so there's you need to look at

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Speaker 1: the end seams. Okay, all right, there's a certain level

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Speaker 1: of your knee.

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Speaker 3: Your fashion expert is coming out.

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Speaker 1: Because I think what ends up happening is if I'm

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Speaker 1: seeing too much of your kneecap. That's what I'm starting

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Speaker 1: to cap. Yes, your shorts starts o. Your shorts need

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Speaker 1: to like cover some of that, like, because once we

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Speaker 1: get a past your kneecap, we can get a little

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Speaker 1: So that's when we start getting into interesting territory, and

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Speaker 1: then interesting territory becomes HOUCHI daddy short season. And I'm

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Speaker 1: all for us tapping into our inner city boys and

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Speaker 1: city girls, But do we really need to do that

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Speaker 1: right now when we're talking about roles and responsibilities and

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Speaker 1: the agenda is the agenda what we did on Friday

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Speaker 1: night down at the club. So to me, I like shorts,

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Speaker 1: but it can't be too short. Leave that for the streets.

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Speaker 3: So you're talking like a dad short, You're fine with.

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Speaker 1: I'm good with a dad shore or like a seasoned

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Speaker 1: auntie short. Okay, yeah, what about you?

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Speaker 3: So I have more shorts to the office. Disclaimer.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna wear them today, but I wanted it

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Speaker 4: to be a safe space for everyone to.

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Speaker 3: Talk about them.

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Speaker 4: So my thing is, I don't I don't own shorts

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Speaker 4: that are gonna at my kneecap, but I will follow

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Speaker 4: my high school dress code role of fingertips, so like,

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Speaker 4: all stand straight if my shorts touch my fingertip.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I hated that rule because I have such long

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Speaker 3: I'm traumatized. So I'm traumatized. You No, it's ingrained in me.

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Speaker 4: So if they're that long, I will wear them. Yes,

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Speaker 4: like the ones I have worn in the past. I

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Speaker 4: only have one pair that are office appropriate if you will.

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Speaker 4: But obviously it depends on your workplace. Like LinkedIn is

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Speaker 4: a bit more casual, so you can get away with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I've seen sweatshorts, and I'm not gonna say that's my vibe.

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Speaker 3: If it works for you, it works for you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I personally would not wear sweatshorts to work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. How do you feel about the shorts and blazer

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Speaker 1: ratio thing, because I've seen people with like a long

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Speaker 1: sleeve blazer, yeah, and then shorts that are actual shorts.

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Speaker 3: It's just business. Up top party on my bottom. I

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Speaker 3: mean it's a look I would I would consider wearing it.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's yeah, I think it's a good blend.

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Speaker 4: What I'm not here is the whole trend of micro shorts,

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Speaker 4: like I just cannot.

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Speaker 1: Oh, baby, that was never gonna be a condortion because,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I'm acutie with a booty. Okay, if

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Speaker 1: I was walking down the hallway, it's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: What I will say is, if you feel comfortable going

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Speaker 1: into a meeting with a senior leader or executive, like

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Speaker 1: if someone said, right now, go present to your manager's

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Speaker 1: manager's manager and you feel and if you feel good

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Speaker 1: in that outfit, cool. If you have to second guess yourself,

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Speaker 1: maybe that's when you, you know, maybe consider having maybe

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Speaker 1: options at the office. I always have a nice little

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Speaker 1: blazer in my little yeah girl, just look. There have

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Speaker 1: been some trauma stories that we can talk about fashion

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Speaker 1: trauma stories.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay.

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Speaker 4: So I think the consensus is they can be appropriate

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Speaker 4: of their a certain length, and it depends on the day.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's like a casual Friday you wear your shorts.

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Speaker 4: But of course, like we said, it depends on you, your workplace,

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Speaker 4: all those things. Yeah, and we want to know your take,

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Speaker 4: so let us know. Come on, what do you think

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Speaker 4: about shorts in the office?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 3: No, cool cringe?

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Speaker 1: No, seriously, because now Gian and I are very passionate

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Speaker 1: about this, and I need to see if other people,

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Speaker 1: if the collective feels it. Hit us up on LinkedIn,

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Speaker 1: y'all hop in our inmails. Okay, it goes down in

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Speaker 1: the in mails. Okay, Gian and I want to hear

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Speaker 1: from you, not just about cooler cringe, and maybe some

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Speaker 1: other parts of the segment that we can talk about.

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Speaker 1: So if you have something else you want to throw

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Speaker 1: it to us, hit us up there.

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Speaker 3: Yes, please do.

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Speaker 4: Okay, guys, thanks so much for joining us this week.

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Speaker 4: This was such a fun episode and shout out to

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Speaker 1: to Samuel for your amazing question this week. You guys,

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