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Speaker 1: Out podcast? How are we doing? Thursday afternoon? Hopefully everyone's

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Speaker 1: having a good day. Some football stuff is going on.

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Speaker 1: I spent the day, watched the decent amount of the

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh did something that should be the least shocking thing

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Speaker 1: to them. I mean, they've had a consistent winning team.

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Speaker 1: their best players are rookies. They're not paying that many players, right,

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Speaker 1: So these teams will the football team commanders the reason

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Speaker 1: how are the Cowboys signing nobody? Well, there's a reason.

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Speaker 1: Like in college, when your parents come visit or your

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Speaker 1: teams that don't have any cab space can afford any

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Speaker 1: Prescott at fifty nine point four million dollars. That is

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Speaker 1: been some rumors they might trade Gallop, but as of

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Speaker 1: It adds up to almost one hundred and forty million

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Speaker 1: just their cap hits. That is what matters when it

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Speaker 1: comes to signing free agents. They didn't have any cap room,

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Speaker 1: and they usually don't because they always pay their players. Now,

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Speaker 1: when you're paying guys like Ceedee Lamb or Zach Martin.

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Speaker 1: I know Trayvon Diggs got hurt last year, but he's,

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Speaker 1: you know, a playmaker, and even Dak Prescott if that

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Speaker 1: can fix this problem if they want, these have to

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Speaker 1: in the NBA all the time where the guy is

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Speaker 1: clearly not a top six seven player, in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's not even a top twelve player. You're like, well,

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Speaker 1: bad idea. Now, Dak Prescott is a really solid player,

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Speaker 1: think five interceptions in those three playoff games, and let's

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about Tua Tonguaai Looa getting forty

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, like, if I'm going to do an extension,

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Speaker 1: Ceedee Lambs, Zach Martin, Trevon Diggs. Cap pits. Those are

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Speaker 1: anybody they have cap problems, the Chargers who also had

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Speaker 1: The Browns had no choice. It wasn't about the money.

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Speaker 1: you ring me? Especially some of these checkout lines. That's

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Speaker 1: the other thing. If you know, the fries actually equipped

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Speaker 1: with two sides, the safeway only has one side. It

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Speaker 1: get really backed up, so it's like, God, i'mna be

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Speaker 1: waiting here for a minute, and there's three you know,

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Speaker 1: there's Billy, Joe and Megan up there in their their

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Speaker 1: outfit working for the operations, like, hey, could could you

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Speaker 1: ring me up?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: I can't. You just gotta stare at the ceiling here,

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Speaker 1: I got some Ben and Jerry's here, it's melty hell,

437
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Speaker 1: I'll tip you to check me out, and they just

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Speaker 1: kind of stare at you when nothing ever happens. So

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Speaker 1: it's it's a wild transitional period right now with the

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Speaker 1: self checkout and the old school people that I always

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Speaker 1: will be. You know, my my unborn children won't even

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Speaker 1: know what it'll be like to go out. Obviously, the

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Speaker 1: fast food chains are definitely going that way. Don't totally

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Speaker 1: hate that. I know what I want when I go

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Speaker 1: to mcdonald'sor Taco Bell, hit a couple buttons and get

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Speaker 1: it delivered to me. But if I have chickens and

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Speaker 1: steaks and produce like I do, that interaction I'm a

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Speaker 1: sucker for. But it feels like that is long gone

449
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Speaker 1: and now you just have to self check out despite

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Speaker 1: there literally being checkers standing right there at you. I mean,

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Speaker 1: talk about a growing fugazi right now in America. Okay,

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Speaker 1: here with relatively new to the volume from fantasy pros

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Speaker 1: Thor Nystrom from living from Minnesota, interested to hear how

454
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Speaker 1: my man feels about the quarterback turnover. There Kirk Cousins

455
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Speaker 1: cash is in again, and you get Sam Dearnold rolling

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Speaker 1: to the Twin Cities. How you doing, Thor, Hey, I'm

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Speaker 1: doing great, John, Good to be with you. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: very excited to be honest about mister Cousins leaving because

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Speaker 1: it opens up a war chest to cap room for

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Speaker 1: my vikings. In twenty twenty five, after the dead cap

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Speaker 1: hit of Cousins and Danil Hunter and Marcus Davenport come

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Speaker 1: up the up from twenty twenty four and then of

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Speaker 1: course opens up the possibility of moving up for the

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Speaker 1: first round quarterback that US locals around here have been

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Speaker 1: begging for now for multiple years.

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Speaker 4: So it's a very exciting time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you guys haven't had a high drafted pick.

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Speaker 1: How high did Dante Culpepper go eleven?

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Speaker 4: Interestingly enough, and in Dante's draft class nineteen ninety nine,

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Speaker 4: quarterbacks went one, two three. Vikings got QB four in

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Speaker 4: the eleven slot. At the time, they had the best

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Speaker 4: young receiver in football, Randy Moss, but no quarterback of

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Speaker 4: the future on the roster. This year, the Vikings sit

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Speaker 4: with the eleventh pick. Seems like it could go quarterback one,

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Speaker 4: two three. They have Justin Jefferson wondering who their quarterback

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Speaker 4: of the future is. But I don't know. I really

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Speaker 4: like the top four quarterbacks in this class, So assuming

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Speaker 4: Minnesota can get one of those top four guys, I

479
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Speaker 4: think they're going to be set up really well.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of crazy to think about. I

481
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Speaker 1: guess you know, the Chiefs went through this forever, right,

482
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Speaker 1: never had a homegrown guy, always patchworking. Nineteen ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how old you are. That was, Like

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Speaker 1: I was in junior high was like a lifetime ago, right,

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Speaker 1: And for a lot of Tavares Jackson's, a lot of

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Speaker 1: Brett Farves, you know, Kirk Cousins, there's something about I

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Speaker 1: mean there, let's face it, there's just something special about

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Speaker 1: drafting the guy and whether he becomes the next Joe

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Speaker 1: Montana or Patrick Mahomes, even if he becomes Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: or Lamar Jackson's, it makes watching football pretty freaking fun

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Speaker 1: knowing you got a guy for a decade plus.

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Speaker 4: It sure does. I feel like it both. You know,

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Speaker 4: obviously it raises your ceiling because if you hit on

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Speaker 4: that guy, if you get the Pat Mahomes, if you

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Speaker 4: get the Josh Allen, whatever, obviously you become the contender.

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Speaker 4: But I also think sneakily, and I don't think this

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Speaker 4: gets discussed enough, I also think it raises your floor

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Speaker 4: because it allows you to make mistakes with your other

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Speaker 4: personnel decisions where it's not as pressing that every single

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Speaker 4: one is right. The issue with Kirk Cousins here in Minnesota,

501
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Speaker 4: here the last three four years, and what it did

502
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Speaker 4: to the cap was every single decision needed to be right.

503
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Speaker 4: They didn't have any margin for error. Even on the margins,

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Speaker 4: everything needed to be right. And then Quacy his first

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Speaker 4: draft was not very good. The last one looks a

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Speaker 4: little bit better. But then you know, a couple of

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Speaker 4: those Spielman drafts at the end were not the best either,

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Speaker 4: And so you know, that's how you got into this

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Speaker 4: situation that you ended up getting into. But you have

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Speaker 4: that rookie you know, on the rookie scale deal at

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Speaker 4: the quarterback position. All of a sudden, now you're paying

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Speaker 4: the quarterback, you know, forty million dollars less or whatever.

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Speaker 4: That money can all be delineated into the rest of

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Speaker 4: the roster. Now, this defense that the Vikings have had

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Speaker 4: that hasn't been very good, you can fortify that the

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Speaker 4: interior offensive line that we have been complaining about for

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Speaker 4: multiple years. You can fortify that you have money for

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Speaker 4: a running back, which they did not have last year.

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Speaker 4: They were able to go out and sign Aaron Jones.

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Speaker 4: And next offseason is where the fireworks are truly going

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Speaker 4: to start. That's where Minnesota is projected to be number

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Speaker 4: one in the NFL and cap room.

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Speaker 1: You know, the crazy thing about some of these big trades,

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Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of them right over the last

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Speaker 1: seven eight years, guys going for multiple first round picks.

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Speaker 1: Jamal Adams Khalil, the forty nine ers did it once,

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Speaker 1: would diforce. They didn't get multiple, but they got the

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Speaker 1: thirteenth overall pick, and Javon Kinlaw ended up on the

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Speaker 1: Jets now and was a whiff, and they traded back

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Speaker 1: a spot and got worse. And I love picks as

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Speaker 1: much as you love picks as much talking about the.

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Speaker 5: Draft, but eventually you got to draft the right guys

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Speaker 5: right And yes, I ran into Rick Spielman at the

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Speaker 5: combine and I was like, listen, obviously it ended poorly,

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Speaker 5: but I think you're really good at your job.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he drafted a lot of impact guys in

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Speaker 1: a lot of different rounds. Justin j Fa remember that

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Speaker 1: celebration when they Rager wins in front of them and

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Speaker 1: they got Justin Jefferson. But it was the Eric Kendrick.

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Speaker 1: The Harrison smiss just a lot of good personnel moves.

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Speaker 1: And let's face it, most gms and the stats will

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Speaker 1: tell you this. Even the best ones are gonna miss

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Speaker 1: on a lot more picks than they hit on.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and you know that's like one thing with

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Speaker 4: my job. I put out a five hundred player Big

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Speaker 4: Bard with five hundred comps whatever. You're making five hundred

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Speaker 4: predictions on outcomes that haven't occurred yet. Of course you're

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Speaker 4: gonna miss there. And GM's with their picks, they're gonna

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Speaker 4: miss as well. These are all outcomes that haven't occurred yet.

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Speaker 4: And you know, as you know if John is a

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Speaker 4: former scout, this is it's an arts. It is not

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Speaker 4: a science. There is no even the prospects that look

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Speaker 4: like they're the closest to can miss, there is a

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Speaker 4: path for them to miss. So I mean, yeah, you

555
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Speaker 4: just have to crunch all the data and then just

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Speaker 4: make the best situational assumptions that you can once that

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Speaker 4: decision is due. That's the best you can do. Well.

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Speaker 1: I know one thing philosophically i'm just adamant against is

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Speaker 1: guys high in the first round. Mac Jones can he Pickett?

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Speaker 1: There is no such thing in a draft as a

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Speaker 1: high floor, right, It doesn't exist, right. The guy could

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Speaker 1: just be bad, not good enough. And so when you

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Speaker 1: draft guys really high, it's one thing. Taking high floor

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Speaker 1: guys mid round, late round. Totally understand whatever you like

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Speaker 1: the player, but I am not. I'm trying to hit

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Speaker 1: big swings because there's no guarantee. So when you draft

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Speaker 1: mac Jones, your margin for err is actually much smaller

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Speaker 1: because the best case scenario, the best case scenario, he

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Speaker 1: might be k Well, Kirkhusbins is like a fringe top

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Speaker 1: ten quarterback. So if that's your best case scenario, your

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Speaker 1: worst case scenario is probably even worse, which it became.

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Speaker 1: Or can he Pickett who has a little less sample

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Speaker 1: size because he's been injured, But still it's pretty clear physically,

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Speaker 1: like I'm okay with taking Anthony richardson high. He might

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Speaker 1: not be good, but he might his ceiling is so

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Speaker 1: much higher. I will never budge off that philosophically, when

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Speaker 1: it comes to quarterbacks swinging big guys with attributes.

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Speaker 4: At that position, Yes, you swing big or go home. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you have to do that. And if you hit on

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Speaker 4: the guy, that's where you have the cheat code against

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Speaker 4: the rest of the NFL for the next four years

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Speaker 4: of five years whatever offer sure contract. That's how you

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Speaker 4: win Super Bowls. You either either that or you have

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Speaker 4: one of the three four best quarterbacks in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: But that's we know by the data. Now, those are

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Speaker 4: the two paths to get in there.

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Speaker 1: I had Matthew Berry on at the combine and I'm

588
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Speaker 1: not a huge fantasy guy, though obviously it's impossible not

589
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Speaker 1: to follow it. And when you fall the NFL, it's

590
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Speaker 1: essentially it's all baked in one. Now you've been in

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Speaker 1: this business for a long time. Now, you know you

592
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Speaker 1: were at Rotor World, which when I was in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: we used to gather injury information, right, so like when

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Speaker 1: a guy was injured, we didn't put in the system.

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Speaker 1: And it was kind of I was telling you before

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Speaker 1: we pressed record. It was kind of Twitter before Twitter,

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Speaker 1: and today it's still Twitter without Twitter, no other stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's just you can just click on football or basketball

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Speaker 1: or whatever. And I asked Barry this, like, when did

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Speaker 1: he know it was gonna be so big? Was there

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Speaker 1: a moment like when you got into it. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you just love football, it enjoyed playing fantasy. Was there

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Speaker 1: a moment over the last decade? I mean, now you're

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Speaker 1: part of is it the biggest fantasy football podcast in

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Speaker 1: the country by a pretty wide margin. It feels like

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Speaker 1: when did you know?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, with Fantasy Brosident with the Road of World,

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Speaker 4: just with the industry. Oh, yeah, it's it was. It's

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Speaker 4: been kind of a wild ride, you know, like when

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Speaker 4: cause when I came out of undergrad, I thought I

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Speaker 4: was gonna be one of the guys with the micro

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Speaker 4: in the locker room after the game, where you're just

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Speaker 4: writing about the thing that you've already seen, right, and

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Speaker 4: then you're given the quotes and what were you feeling

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Speaker 4: when you caught the game winning touchdown and all that nonsense.

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Speaker 4: But the media landscape it changed so dramatically, and I

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Speaker 4: think we're about the same age I graduated undergrad two

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Speaker 4: thousand and eight. The newspaper industry was oh okay, exact image.

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Speaker 4: Newspaper industry was crumbling at that time, and so I

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Speaker 4: just sort of had to figure it out as we went,

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Speaker 4: and the internet jobs were opening up, and the fantasy

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Speaker 4: community and then the betting community as well, is the

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Speaker 4: other big one that I'm in. It showed a shift

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Speaker 4: in the way that that people wanted to consume sports

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Speaker 4: media instead of being told about the thing that already happened,

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Speaker 4: that they had already watched, that they could get alerts

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Speaker 4: on on their phone, that they could watch on their phone,

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Speaker 4: different stuff like that, they wanted to be told about

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Speaker 4: what could happen so they could invest in that, be

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Speaker 4: that from a fantasy perspective, who should I draft? Who

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Speaker 4: should I start? Or from a betting perspective, who should

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Speaker 4: should I lay the points? Should I Should I take

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Speaker 4: the dog? Should I be on the money line? NFL

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Speaker 4: Draft props I've been I've been nailing these things now

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Speaker 4: since they came out last two three weeks. I can't

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Speaker 4: wait till they drop more of them. But if you

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Speaker 4: can be ahead of the market on various things, you

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Speaker 4: get ahead of the market moves one of them in

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Speaker 4: the NFL draft already, John in the problem market they

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Speaker 4: put out Drake May was the prohibitive favorite to go

641
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 4: number two to begin with, because, of course, you know,

642
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 4: the narrative was always Caleb Williams QB one with the bullet,

643
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 4: Drake May QB two with the bullet. I disagreed with that.

644
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 4: First of all, I don't think that Drake May is

645
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 4: QB two in this class number two. I don't think

646
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 4: that he is the best fit for Cliff Kingsbury's offense.

647
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 4: In fact, I think he is the fourth best fit

648
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 4: for Cliff Kingsbury's offense of those top four quarterbacks. So

649
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,479
Speaker 4: I put out a thread on Twitter Drake May should

650
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 4: not be the favorite to go number two. Here's a

651
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 4: brief threat why, and I got into all the reasons why.

652
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 4: At that time, Drake May was minus one fifty favorite

653
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 4: on the board. Today, if you look the last time

654
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 4: I checked, Jayden Daniels is now minus one seventy five.

655
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 4: He was the guy that I was advocating should be

656
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 4: the favorite. Dodds board has just completely shifted. But it's

657
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 4: you're reading the tea leaves and predictive analysis, different stuff

658
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 4: like that. That is the way that this landscape has changed.

659
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 4: And over the entire course of my career coming out

660
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 4: from undergrad, you've seen it shift more and more and more,

661
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 4: and it's just going to keep going that way.

662
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: Do you think because we often say the NFL has

663
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: never been more popular than it currently is in twenty

664
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Speaker 1: twenty four, is it safe to say fantasy football has

665
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: never been more popular than it currently is today.

666
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 4: That's safe to say. And it's safe to say that

667
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 4: there's there's never been more a sports betting handle in

668
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 4: America as well, and those.

669
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: Two things, you combine those two things the way you're talking,

670
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: do you think they're kind of one under the same umbrella.

671
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 4: I do, yeah, because it's you're speaking to the same

672
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 4: thing you're trying to predict. Also, the it's sort of

673
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 4: like NFL draft analysis in some ways. You're trying to

674
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 4: predict outcomes that haven't occurred yet. You're crunching data in

675
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 4: order to try to get an advantage on all your

676
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 4: other competitors, a monetary advantage by winning your league or

677
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 4: winning your bet against the book, whatever. So that's yeah,

678
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 4: that's where I think this thing is, and I think

679
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 4: it's going to keep going that way.

680
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: Well, the one thing fantasy football I started doing it.

681
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: I'd moved to Arizona several years ago, and the DraftKings

682
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: app the ability to play these props on an individual

683
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: basis definitely go hand in hand, right if you're going

684
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 1: to go over under Brandon I you catches or Aaron

685
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: Jones rushing attempts, I mean, it's not even just your

686
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: touchdowns rushing attempts. It's pretty incredible, And obviously those two

687
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: things definitely go hand in hand. I would say the

688
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: prop betting market is probably going to be hasn't even

689
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: scratched the surface of the popularity of what it's going

690
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: to be. Over the next decade.

691
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 4: Right, totally agree. Yeah, I think we're at right now.

692
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 4: Thirty eight states in the United States have legalized sports betting.

693
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 4: We need to get to fifty. We need to get

694
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 4: the whole federal restrictions lifted everything like that. Once the

695
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 4: prohibition era ends in America for again sports gambling, everything's

696
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 4: going to open up. We'll have more brick and mortars

697
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 4: that the apps. There won't be restrictions on that. And yeah,

698
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 4: and you're gonna see even more of the shift in

699
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 4: the media at that point, because then there's gonna be

700
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 4: even more people seeking out this kind of content. So

701
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 4: I think that's one hundred percent John. My favorite prop

702
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 4: on on those apps is the NFL combine props. I

703
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 4: love the forty props. Price picks drop them, and Underdog

704
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 4: dropped him this year as well. Those things are like

705
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 4: shooting fish in a barrow. If you're you know, down

706
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 4: there in the weeds with this kind of stuff. It's

707
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 4: always fun betting on oaths.

708
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 1: You know. You bring up Jaden daniels I LSU once

709
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: it was clear they were kind of out of the

710
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: mix for a playoff spot. I didn't watch him as

711
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: much and I went back after the combine because everyone

712
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: was talking about the three wide receivers. And you know,

713
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: you watch a lot of roam I did. Living on

714
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: the West Coast, I've watched a ton of Marvin Harrison.

715
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, this Molikue neighbors guy, and you

716
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: just pull up YouTube the highlights. Obviously he hit won

717
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: the Heisman. But when you watch him, you go he's

718
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: got a huge arm. He's a big time athlete. He

719
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: can move, he's accurate, he has touch. I understood all

720
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: the hype behind really the only knock on him, and

721
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: you saw this at the combine. You kind of see

722
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: it in the is He's skinny relative, but he's not small.

723
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,479
Speaker 1: He's just thinner, right, He's not built like I saw

724
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams to day at the golf tournament. He's thick, right,

725
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: and I would imagine he weighs two hundred and fifteen

726
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty pounds. Even Kyler Murray was short,

727
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: he was thick. But other than that, I do understand

728
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: where the love comes from this guy's physical traits. And

729
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 1: I don't even think it's out of the realm possibility

730
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: because football is so much about scheme, fit, about who's

731
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: coaching you, the institution around you, your head coach, the

732
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: vision of the he could be a he could turn

733
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: out to be the best quarterback because Caleb, if he

734
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: goes to Chicago, historically, it's not exactly a mister quarterback organization.

735
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 4: Right I think, So, yeah, that's very well said. And

736
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 4: Daniel's yeah. I mean he's tall, he's real thin, sort

737
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 4: of the opposite buildup of Caleb Williams. Like you were mentioning,

738
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 4: I think when I think Jayden Daniels going to the NFL,

739
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 4: I think of him as a guy that's bringing two

740
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 4: superpowers with him. Proven that will trans number one. He's

741
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 4: a deep ball assassin. You were sort of mentioning that. Yeah,

742
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 4: it's not just the arm strength to get it down there.

743
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 4: His touch is ridiculous. You know, it's like a pool shark.

744
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 4: But he's doing trick shots. You know, he jumps the

745
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 4: ball and everything. He can drop the thing wherever he wants,

746
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 4: just out of the sky. He just airmails it into it,

747
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 4: like a little into the mail, you know, like wherever

748
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 4: he wants. So it's the deep ball thing and then

749
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 4: the being able to hurt you with his legs once

750
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 4: he breaks containment. So you have the dichotomy of those

751
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 4: two different things, and it becomes for the opposing defensive

752
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 4: coordinator and the opposing defense both a spacing problem and

753
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 4: then a numbers problem because it becomes this puzzle, do

754
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 4: we put two safeties back because now he can't throw

755
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 4: deep or we're better suited to defend that. But if

756
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 4: you do that, now he has a better opportunity to

757
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 4: run around. You don't have as many guys up there. Also,

758
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 4: the intermediate range, you showed that he can attack there

759
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 4: as well. Do you keep a spy on him? Then

760
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 4: you keep the thousand plus yard You know, you tamper

761
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 4: down in the danger of that. But how are you

762
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 4: gonna do that if you have two deep safeties? Do

763
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 4: you try to sort of split the middle and ramp

764
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 4: up the aggression on him on the blitz? They tried

765
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 4: that last year. You know who the highest grade of

766
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 4: PFF quarterback against the blitz was last year in this

767
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 4: class made mister Jaden Daniels. So, I mean, like, the

768
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 4: improvements he has made are just so impressive since that

769
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one season. His career started fine at Arizona

770
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 4: State after he got signed by herm Edwards was like

771
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 4: the face of the franchise there stagnated in twenty twenty one.

772
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 4: That's why he came over to LSU. They fixed his

773
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 4: propensity to put the ball up for grabs and make

774
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 4: milwonkey decisions in twenty twenty two. But he wasn't generating

775
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 4: the explosive plays this past season. He was both taking

776
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 4: care of the ball, but then you added the explosive element.

777
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 4: You bring those two superpowers with you. I agree with you, John.

778
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 4: I think he has a very high floor. I think

779
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 4: he also has a very very high ceiling. Just because

780
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 4: of that. There are a couple things that you know

781
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 4: concern me, ish I concerns Probably not a good way

782
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 4: to put it, but I think that he needs to

783
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 4: keep working on what you brought up, you know, the

784
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 4: frame thing. When he runs, they he needs to start sliding.

785
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 4: He didn't really slide in college, and you'd see him

786
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 4: get blasted. That's a pretty obvious one. Another one as

787
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 4: far as him in the pocket, I love how he

788
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 4: manipulates the pocket. I love how he keeps his eyes up.

789
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 4: He's a full field reader, and I like that he

790
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 4: does not bail the pocket until he has to. He's

791
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 4: not one of those guys who has the ridiculous legs

792
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 4: where he's looking to bail the first sense of trouble whatever.

793
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 4: But one thing about his passing profile that is a

794
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 4: little bit concerning is he doesn't attack the middle of

795
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 4: the field. Last year he was Jaden Daniels nine for

796
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 4: eighteen with a two to one td I and T

797
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 4: ratio ten to twenty yards down the field between the numbers.

798
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 4: It's just on an area of the field that the

799
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 4: LSU offense attacked. I'm not saying that he can't do it,

800
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 4: but he was more the downfield guy and then attacking

801
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 4: the sidelines and then his legs. Those is a couple

802
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 4: of things to keep in mind with him. But yeah,

803
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 4: he's a very good prospect that I think is going

804
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 4: to go very high. I think he's going number two.

805
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 1: Who was your top quarterback prospect a year ago?

806
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 4: Unfortunately it was Bryce Young.

807
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: I kicked myself all fall because you know mine was too.

808
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: I thought he was an excellent prospect.

809
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 4: And I still look, I'm not throwing I'm not throwing

810
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 4: the dirt on Bryce Young yet. The story of Bryce

811
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 4: Young has not been written yet. But like you know,

812
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 4: I was talking about this last spring of if we

813
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 4: had seen what we saw from CJ. Stroud in that

814
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 4: playoff game against Georgia prior to that, if we had

815
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 4: a sample size of that that was bigger than one game,

816
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 4: he would have been my quarterback one. It's just that

817
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 4: we didn't get to see him excel under pressure. Excelwyn

818
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 4: moved off his spot throwing the dimes, you know, with

819
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 4: the bullets flying, everything like that, out on the perimeter

820
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 4: without his base und him different stuff like that till

821
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 4: that Georgia game. And so for me, that just elevated

822
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 4: the riscist a little bit, just in my mind. Obviously

823
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 4: it wasn't in reality because he went to the NFL

824
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 4: and was immediately a stud. But that's that's why I

825
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 4: ended up siding ever so slightly with Bryce Young. I

826
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 4: wish I could have that one back.

827
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: I ask you that because you know, it's hard to

828
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 1: do this because we have the information from the pros.

829
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: But if it was like a you know, courtroom, and

830
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: I said, remove everything you know about last season in

831
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: the NFL. If you were doing a big board with

832
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels in that class, would you have had him

833
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: above Bryce Young?

834
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 4: Well, that's interesting. I definitely would have had kleb as

835
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 4: as the one.

836
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's his own little category.

837
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's interesting. I haven't thought about that one. I

838
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 4: would have had Jaden. Of course you're throwing out the

839
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 4: NFL from last year. I would have had him above CJ. Stroud.

840
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 4: You know, like if you know you've tossed that and

841
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 4: then you know, of course you have to put CJ.

842
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 4: Shroud abum. But just as a prospect, the Daniels against

843
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 4: Bryce Young would have been very close for me, very

844
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 4: very very very close. I probably would have had Daniels

845
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 4: above Young. But that's that's pretty close one.

846
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: Obviously. The Titans they signed Calvin Ridley and Tony Pollard.

847
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: You know, the way for a lot of these guys

848
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: when they signed from a fantasy perspective is like, how's

849
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: their quarterback gonna play? I remember a couple of years

850
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 1: ago watching Will Levis when Liam Cohen was the offensive

851
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: coordinator Kentucky. I'm like, this guy's got a chance to

852
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: be like a top pick in the NFL, and then

853
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: his senior year scangerella comes in disaster falls. What are

854
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Will Levis? Because I get asked about

855
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 1: that all the time you watch him in the NFL,

856
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: like the like College, the big arm tries to run

857
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: fucking people over, But there's more to playing quarterback. You

858
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: gotta have the touch, you gotta have the feel. Obviously,

859
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a huge year. It's kind of,

860
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: you know, to be determined. But I feel like he's

861
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: a pretty polarizing guy. A lot of people either hate

862
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: him or go there's something there. And we've seen a

863
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: lot of guys I would say, of the Will Levis mold,

864
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: the majority of end up not working right. But he's

865
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: definitely intriguing and now there's really no excuses with some

866
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: of the talent around him.

867
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, he for sure is. And I think he's one

868
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 4: of those guys that and you were sort of indicating this,

869
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 4: the better the coaching is, the better the schemes think,

870
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 4: the better that Levis is, and also the surrounding talent.

871
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 4: He's not one of those guys who's gonna elevate everyone

872
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 4: around him because of some of the decision making things

873
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 4: and some things that are inherent to his game. But

874
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 4: if everything else around him is good, I think that's

875
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 4: when you start to see his natural skill set will

876
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 4: play up a bit. The thing that concern, like the

877
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 4: reason that I don't think he ever becomes the NFL star.

878
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 4: And then I was a little bit lower on him

879
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 4: last year in the process the decision making stuff, and

880
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 4: then the other thing was the pocket presence and then

881
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 4: sensing the pass rushers. I saw that guy get crash

882
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 4: test dummied from the blind side more times than I

883
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 4: can count when he was at Kentucky. He just doesn't

884
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 4: sense it very well. And then sometimes when he finally

885
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 4: senses it it's coming, he's about to get hit, he'd

886
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 4: make a wonky decision. It's like, maybe you should have

887
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 4: eaten it there. It's those kind of things that I

888
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 4: don't know if that can be taught. That feel there's

889
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 4: things you can teach. We might be able to teach

890
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 4: Jadan Daniels to slide. I don't know if you can

891
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 4: teach a guy to sense free rushers coming from the

892
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 4: blind side, to manipulate spacing in the pocket, tell about

893
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 4: your offensive line, give yourself more space to throw, different

894
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 4: stuff like that. So that's my concern about Levis. But

895
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 4: do I think he could be a league average NFL

896
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 4: starting quarterback for a long time? Fifteen sixteen seventeen best

897
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 4: quarterback in the league for a long time. Sure.

898
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely, he's gonna be a fascinating guy to watch. You

899
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: mentioned that Jaden is your number two and May is

900
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: not third on your draft board.

901
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 4: Who is JJ McCarthy. I'm a huge fan of JJ McCarthy.

902
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 4: Really really good athlete. He's going to run in the

903
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 4: high four fowards or low four or fives if he

904
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 4: runs at his pro day. He didn't do that at

905
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 4: the Combine. What he did do, though, is way in

906
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 4: seventeen pounds heavier than he was listed at Michigan and

907
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 4: did the three cone. He had the fifth fastest three

908
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 4: cone at the entire NFL Combine. Irregardless of position. He's

909
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 4: a former hockey player, so he has sort of the

910
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 4: dual threat sport thing going on with that very good

911
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 4: off platform, out of structure guy moving around. He becomes

912
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 4: more dangerous when you move him off his spot. In

913
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 4: contrast to some of these other guys in this class,

914
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 4: Michael Pennix is an example of a guy who his

915
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 4: accuracy depreciates the more that you move him off his spot.

916
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 4: McCarthy is the opposite of that. Love him moving around.

917
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 4: He's just so fluid with that he always keeps his

918
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 4: eyes downfield and his upper body cock to throw with

919
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 4: his legs under him. He's just always in control with that,

920
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 4: and that's why his accuracy. He you know, takes the

921
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 4: mechanics with him, so the accuracy doesn't depreciate on the move.

922
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 4: I think last year was like seventy two point five

923
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 4: percent completions just in the overall, seventy one point five

924
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 4: something like that while scrambling, So, you know, just totally

925
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 4: the same with that. He comes out of Jim Harbaugh's

926
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 4: NFL factory, won the national championship as a twenty year

927
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 4: old true junior. You have all that different stuff going

928
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 4: for you that the PFF numbers on him are are

929
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 4: all great under pressure. You see that when you watch him,

930
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 4: because he has he has all the tools in his

931
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 4: bag to be able to get out of pressure and

932
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 4: then solve those problems as well. I just think that

933
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 4: there's a lot to like about his skill.

934
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know when I watched him definitely down the stretch,

935
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: just as a couch scout. Now, if you just live

936
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: in the moment, you go, yeah, this guy looks like

937
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: a second or third round pick to me. But then

938
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: when you factor in that's not how you draft a play, right,

939
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: he's twenty years old, does he have the physical characteristics?

940
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: What's the character stuff like? And then obviously you got

941
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: a factor in the operation in which he's playing in,

942
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: which isn't exactly you know, the Mike leaps throwing, you know.

943
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 4: That's rich.

944
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 1: So I yeah, you know, I think he's definitely he

945
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: would you say, you know, you follow this very closely,

946
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: one of the more polarizing prospects in recent memory, because

947
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna have people that think he's like a top

948
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: five player, other people think it's crazy to draft him high.

949
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 4: Definitely, yeah, and especially in the quarterback class. But yeah,

950
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 4: I mean overall, I mean, you see a bigger band

951
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 4: of outcomes of people like he's this or he's that,

952
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 4: probably with JJ McCarthy than any other guy in this class.

953
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 4: But just to your point, you see some really bad

954
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 4: narratives up out there about JJ McCarthy, especially about five

955
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 4: six weeks ago, there were some really bad, you know,

956
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 4: narratives about him, like coming into the problem says a

957
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 4: lot of them just had to do with his counting stats.

958
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 4: The thing that I would tell people out there, eleven

959
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 4: out of the fifteen games for Michigan last year. They

960
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 4: had a twenty one plus point lead in seven of

961
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 4: those fifteen games. JJ McCarthy did not take one snap

962
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter, but in the first half when

963
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 4: they were playing the good defenses. JJ McCarthy had a

964
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 4: higher percentage of passes against top twenty five defenses than

965
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 4: any of the top six quarterbacks in this class did

966
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 4: in the first half of their games against top twenty

967
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 4: five defenses. Not only that, JJ McCarthy played against by

968
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 4: far the best defenses of those top six guys average

969
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 4: defensive rank that Michigan played last year thirty eight point eight.

970
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 4: The other guys Jayden Daniels forty six, Pennis was fifty seven,

971
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 4: Drake May sixty one, Caleb was sixty four, Boonnicks was eighty.

972
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 4: So you're facing the much better defenses. And then to

973
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 4: the point of the offensive usage, you hear this argument

974
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 4: of like, oh, Blake Korum, he was the reason that

975
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 4: Michigan was good and JJ McCarthy didn't have to do

976
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 4: anything that's flat wrong. Look at Blake Korum last year.

977
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 4: This is the world beater. The they're suggesting the guy

978
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 4: had like an elusive rating of like twenty five last year,

979
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 4: one hundred is considered solid for a running back. Blake

980
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 4: Corn only had two yards after contact per attempt. Blake

981
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 4: Corn did not have a great year last year. And

982
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 4: then their receiving back, Donovan Edwards was on a milk

983
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 4: cart and all fall. So yeah, and what Michigan had

984
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 4: was that mauling run blocking offensive line which ranked number

985
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 4: two PFF grading. So they would reset the line of

986
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 4: scrimmage on first and second down whatever. But when JJ

987
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 4: McCarthy was given the opportunity to throw, invariably it was

988
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 4: on third down. What is that scenario, John, It's when

989
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 4: the defense knows what's coming. That is what the NFL

990
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 4: cares the most about. Who is the best in the

991
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 4: scenarios where the defense knows what's coming. JJ McCarthy was,

992
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 4: by margin best quarterback in this class. Third and long, third, medium,

993
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 4: fourth down, all that different stuff. It's JJ McCarthy. And

994
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 4: he did not have the receivers that Michael Pennix did.

995
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 4: He did not have the receivers that Boonicks did, and

996
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 4: he didn't get the empty calorie stat either. So like

997
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 4: when you start looking at the correct stats, that's where

998
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy starts to shine. As the best quarterback in

999
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 4: this class. The on target rate, the third downstuff, the

1000
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 4: high leverage stuff, that's where he starts to shine. The

1001
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 4: accuracy and the on target rate on the move, different

1002
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 4: stuff like that, that's where he starts to shine as

1003
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 4: one of the best quarterbacks in this class.

1004
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,919
Speaker 1: Way and the biggest drive of his career didn't happen

1005
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: in the National Championship game, right, It happened the Final

1006
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: Four against Alabama down. Yes, with not just his season

1007
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: on the line, but it felt like the weight of

1008
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: one of the biggest football programs in America riding on

1009
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: his shoulder, and he was. He was pretty unflappable there.

1010
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: So I'm with you. I mean, two guys, Sam Darnold

1011
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: ten million dollars, that's clearly a bridge quarterback. Gardner Minshew

1012
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: to the Raiders. I mean, I think those two teams

1013
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: are definitely sniffing around quarterbacks. Come whatever. The draft is

1014
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: a month and a couple of weeks from now, right.

1015
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 4: One thousand percent. Yeah, the the JJ McCarthy at Minnesota,

1016
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 4: that's obviously the train I'm on, you know, my neck

1017
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 4: of the woods. I think he is a perfect fit

1018
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 4: for what Kevin O'Connell always talks about what he wants

1019
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 4: his offense to be right, moving the pocket, different stuff

1020
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 4: like that, the play action stuff. You can add some

1021
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 4: of the RPO stuff. And then O'Connell loves those layering

1022
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 4: concepts and attacking the middle of the field. There's some

1023
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 4: quarterbacks in this. Jayden Daniels we just talked about. That's

1024
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,439
Speaker 4: one thing we didn't see as much with him last year.

1025
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 4: Michael Pennix is another guide over the middle of the field.

1026
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 4: We didn't see much from him in college. JJ McCarthy's

1027
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 4: awesome over the middle of the field, Like, that's what

1028
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 4: he does. So it's on the move, it's attacking the

1029
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 4: middle of field. Everything JJ McCarthy excels at. It's the

1030
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,479
Speaker 4: things that you do in the NFL. It's the things

1031
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 4: that translate to the NFL. It's the things that the

1032
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 4: NFL values. So I just think it took the public

1033
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 4: a while to come around on it. They needed to

1034
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 4: hear it from coming from the NFL, coming from the

1035
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 4: top down. I think some of the reporters out there

1036
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 4: they hadn't had an opportunity to talk to their NFL

1037
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 4: sources until the NFL combine, and once they did, you

1038
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 4: start hearing one by one those guys coming back and saying,

1039
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 4: all I'm hearing from the NFL. Oh they're talking about

1040
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 4: this JJ McCarthy. Get I don't think that was because

1041
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 4: McCarthy had a really good combine performance. He did, but

1042
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 4: I don't think it was necessarily because of that. I

1043
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 4: think it was because that was the first opportunity for

1044
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 4: some of those reporters that NFL Draft media to talk

1045
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 4: to their media sources inside the NFL and get a

1046
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 4: sense of like, oh, what you like McCarthy that much,

1047
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 4: and you started to see him skyrocket in the rankings

1048
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 4: ever since then.

1049
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, good example is I remember watching the Texas

1050
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: game and penis one of the best games of his career,

1051
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: arguably the best. Yes, And I'm texting my buddies in

1052
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: the league. I'm like this guy top ten and they're like,

1053
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: I got second round grades on him, and obviously, you

1054
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: know Texas is not very good on defense. Then he

1055
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: plays Michigan, which, let's face it, as much more like

1056
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: playing the Ravens, the Steelers, the Niners, the Rams, and

1057
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: that's an NFL team, and it was a lot for him.

1058
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: And I'm a Pennix guy, West Coast bias. But you

1059
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: watch that game. One, not just his struggles, but two

1060
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: he could barely get up by the end of the game,

1061
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: and it was a lot like that in Oregon. You

1062
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: hit him because this guy lasts in the NFL. If

1063
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: TJ Watt or Nick bos or Khalil Mack, I mean,

1064
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: these guys are bigger in the NFL. There's no disputing

1065
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: his touch, but a lot like Tua now he's older

1066
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: and more injured. He's not a big time athlete, right,

1067
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: He's much more of a pocket, precision passer. And you

1068
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: do the draft, like the day and age of those

1069
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 1: guys kind of dying.

1070
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 3: Right.

1071
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: You just lost Cousins, the Jared Goffs, like they don't

1072
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: really exist anymore, and that those are not the guys

1073
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: coming in the NFL. So I was hyped up after

1074
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: the Texas game, but more and more information I have,

1075
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 1: I think it is fair to be a little concerned

1076
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: about how that translates. And again, if you get the

1077
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 1: guy in the third round like one percent, but he's

1078
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: not going to go in the first round, do you

1079
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: agree with that?

1080
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 4: I definitely agree, yeah, And I agree with the second

1081
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 4: round stuff is I think where he ends up going

1082
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 4: you know, at the end of the day, and you

1083
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 4: know the obviously against Texas he was awesome. You know,

1084
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 4: like you mentioned then you see against Michigan, that was

1085
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 4: what it was. Texas they had the really poor secondary.

1086
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 4: They weren't able to disrupt the timing of Adonzay and

1087
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 4: Paul Kim McMillan at all, and so they just had

1088
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 4: a field day. If you can't disrupt the timing and

1089
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 4: you also are not putting pressure on Pennis, he's gonna

1090
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 4: light you up. It doesn't matter who you are, he's

1091
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 4: gonna light you up all day. Where you start to

1092
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 4: take his game down, you take the pull out of

1093
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 4: the middle of the circus tent, it's by disrupting the

1094
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 4: timing of his receivers. It's why, by the way, Roma Dunza,

1095
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 4: if you look at the numbers, was pressed more at

1096
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 4: the line than any receiver in this class by far.

1097
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 4: It wasn't because anyone was successful doing it. It was

1098
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 4: because it was like an attempt at the opposing that

1099
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 4: you could make to try to disrupt the timing of

1100
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 4: that offense, like right after the snap whatever. The other

1101
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 4: thing is pressuring Penis and pushing him off the hispotic

1102
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 4: I was mentioning before, I think of Pennis as a sniper,

1103
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 4: like you think of the sniper on top of the building.

1104
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 4: He's not moving at all. He's got the gun on

1105
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 4: top of the thing whatever, and he's just sitting there.

1106
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 4: He's sitting there. He's sitting there. If you have to

1107
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 4: move the sniper off his spot, his accuracy gets worse

1108
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 4: the more he has to move. That is Michael Penix.

1109
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 4: If you just keep him there and he can just

1110
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 4: move there, he's gonna pick you apart all day long.

1111
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 4: He'll can be hitting cans five hundred yards away.

1112
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: That's what happened in Michigan, right, he was all over

1113
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: the map.

1114
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 4: That's it. They had the pressure on him. They were

1115
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 4: also mugging his receivers off the line and Zero separated.

1116
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 4: Well I shouldn't say, oh, Dunesay got separated a couple

1117
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 4: of times, but at that point they were seeing so

1118
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 4: many ghosts. You remember that one year the sideline where Penix

1119
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 4: just overshot him, Yeah, wide open. So yeah, I mean,

1120
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 4: but like there was a lot of time the normal

1121
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 4: flow of that offense was not happening. And because of that,

1122
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 4: the timing and the pressure, different stuff like that. Those

1123
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 4: are the scenarios where you see Penix's game depreciate a

1124
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 4: little bit, and because of that reason, he needs to

1125
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 4: go on the second round. But he's going to be

1126
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 4: playing early in his career and he could have a

1127
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 4: pretty solid career. I think I comp him to a

1128
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 4: right handed Geno Smith. He reminds me a lot of

1129
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 4: Gino coming out of UH West Virginia. If you just

1130
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 4: flip the picture, you know, the arm very similar, the

1131
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 4: propensity in the pocket, likes to have the full field vision,

1132
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 4: that the field spread, everything like that. I think there's

1133
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 4: a lot of similarities between those two.

1134
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: Okay, get you a couple more questions here on quarterbacks.

1135
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: I got to go back and watch some earlier Drake

1136
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: may because early in the season, clearly he put up

1137
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: a lot of good stats. And then I remember mid season,

1138
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: all the hype. I flipped on the CW and they

1139
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: had a stretch in the middle of the year. It

1140
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: was pretty ugly. I think he lost the game. I

1141
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: remember the first game I watched, maybe to George Attack

1142
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: or something. He lost a bad game and he did

1143
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: not play well, and I was like, I don't quite

1144
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: see it. And I remember texting a scouting director. He's like,

1145
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: I'm glad we don't have to be in the quarterback

1146
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: mix because they are a lot. And this is at

1147
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: the time Jaden was still kind of an unknown, but

1148
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: like he was viewed as, you know, a big time prospect.

1149
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: He's like, ah, not that I don't see it, like

1150
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: I understand, but this notion that he's some you know,

1151
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: next Justin Herbert or something like pump the brakes your

1152
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: thoughts on him, obviously he's not. You have Jayden and

1153
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy above him. Where do you rank him as

1154
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: a prospect, just relative to the last couple classes, just

1155
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: overall as a quarterback?

1156
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I have made quarterback four in this class,

1157
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 4: and I do have him in the overall top ten.

1158
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 4: I think he deserves to go in the top ten.

1159
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 4: So I don't want to nippick him too bad, but

1160
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 4: I do think there's reasons, you know, that you could argue,

1161
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 4: and certainly I have argued that maybe you could take J. J.

1162
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 4: McCarthy over him. Certainly the other two guys I prefer

1163
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 4: over him. There's a couple things for me. Twenty twenty two,

1164
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 4: Drake May leads unc and rushing. There's nothing behind that.

1165
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 4: Sam Howell ran for over a thousand yards in Philongo's

1166
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 4: system his last season there. That has that rushing utility

1167
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 4: is not translated to the NFL. Drake May. This past

1168
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 4: season they switched the offensive systems that went way down.

1169
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 4: Drake May is not this stud kind of an athlete.

1170
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 4: He the rushing utility is not translating to the NFL.

1171
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 4: He's going to be more or less a pocket passer

1172
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 4: in the NFL. I love the arm he has, the

1173
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 4: Howitzer arm. He has really good touchdown field. That's why

1174
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 4: he dominated in that Philongo system in twenty twenty two.

1175
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 4: Longo loves to throw down field more than anyone and

1176
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 4: give the quarterbacks the one on one shots. That's where

1177
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 4: Drake May is having fun. Right. It's this past season

1178
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,479
Speaker 4: where you start to see the struggles. They went into more.

1179
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 4: I don't want to call it a pro style system,

1180
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 4: but it was more pro style looks than they were

1181
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 4: doing with Longo. Different stuff like that. I guess you

1182
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 4: got especially early in the season, the talent wasn't as good.

1183
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 4: Josh Downs had left tes Walker didn't get cleared by

1184
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 4: the NCAA till later on. I don't want to there's

1185
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 4: people out there that are like, oh, they didn't have

1186
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 4: any talent last year. That's not true though, like tes

1187
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 4: Walker did come back. Tess Walker probably go to go

1188
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 4: in the second round. The Nesbit kid's pretty good, like

1189
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 4: they got guys out there. But the other thing for

1190
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 4: me as far as Drake Magos is so you don't

1191
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 4: have the rushing utility and so he's gonna be confined

1192
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 4: to the pocket. The thing that concerned me about him

1193
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 4: in the pocket, I don't want to say concerned, but

1194
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 4: the thing that where it just lowered the grade for

1195
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 4: me a little bit with him is I like the

1196
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 4: way that he manages the pocket. But when the pass

1197
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 4: rush is starting to get there, but it's like not

1198
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 4: quite there. I noticed this bad habit of his just

1199
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 4: speed up his mechanics really quickly, like it's like, oh man,

1200
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 4: I got to get the ball out, and so everything

1201
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 4: goes in fast forward when it wouldn't need to. You

1202
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 4: see him stop stepping in two throws right because then

1203
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 4: he's getting even closer to that pass rush. You see

1204
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 4: him start to like do this kind of a thing

1205
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 4: and try to you know, sort of just all arm

1206
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 4: and different stuff like that, and just like I said,

1207
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 4: speed up the process, the accuracy started to get a

1208
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 4: little bit errant in those situations. I think that's why

1209
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 4: you see the accuracy under pressure numbers pretty bad. Last year.

1210
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 4: Drake Megan's pressure thirty nine for ninety that's forty three

1211
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 4: percent with a seven to five TD and T ratio.

1212
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 4: He had under a sixty PFF. Passing grade in those

1213
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 4: scenarios took twenty eight sacks. I think that's what it

1214
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 4: speaks to. He also, going back to the athleticism thing,

1215
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 4: he doesn't have the athleticism to burst around, you know,

1216
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 4: the pass rusher, make one guy miss, and then all

1217
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 4: of a sudden he's getting around at the edge. You

1218
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 4: see JJ McCarthy on his film, He'll make a guy miss.

1219
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 4: Now he's going this way. Now someone's coming trying to

1220
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 4: swipe out his legs from under him, but they can't

1221
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 4: even get his shoelace, you know, he's jumping over him whatever.

1222
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: And obviously, and obviously Caleb and Jaden fall under that category.

1223
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 4: Of course, of course, and Drake may he just doesn't

1224
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 4: have that, so he's confined back there. And because of that,

1225
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 4: you see some of these manifestations with him in the

1226
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 4: passing where it's just like I need to get the

1227
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 4: ball out. That's one thing that they need to work

1228
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,479
Speaker 4: on him with of like, this is a situation where

1229
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,919
Speaker 4: you had another half second to a full second where

1230
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 4: you need to reset, get your your feet square, get

1231
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 4: your shoulder square to the target, and then step into

1232
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 4: it because your accuracy is gonna play way up. That's

1233
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 4: one thing in his on field game where if that

1234
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 4: was fixed or that improved him as a passer is

1235
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 4: gonna go way up. But that's one concern that I

1236
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 4: had about him.

1237
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: Okay, when on bow Knicks, who I would say, behind

1238
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy is going to beat the the second most

1239
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: polarizing quarterback. What's your take on him?

1240
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 4: To me? He's a mid third round guy, late third

1241
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 4: round guy. I know that he's probably gonna go on

1242
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 4: the second round in the NFL draft. But my take

1243
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 4: on bo Nicks is that the things that he struggled

1244
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 4: with at Auburn, it wasn't improvement that got those things

1245
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 4: to go away the last couple of years. It was

1246
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 4: the Oregon offensive system that addressed it for him. I'm

1247
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 4: talking about things of like standing in the pocket, having

1248
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 4: to survey all your options, going through multiple options, throwing

1249
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 4: downfield after surveying multiple options, different stuff like that. He

1250
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 4: has a decent arm, but it was forwarded as being

1251
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 4: like super strong earlier in the process. I saw some

1252
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 4: people putting that out there. It is not. He can

1253
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 4: spin it in the intermediate range. I think that's why

1254
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 4: people have this thought that he has like this super

1255
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 4: strong arm, but throwing it deep. He's one of those

1256
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 4: guys that has to throw the entire kitchen sink into it.

1257
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 4: So it's one of those deep balls where the ball

1258
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 4: starts to flutter or august to win and can push

1259
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 4: it towards the sidelines, different stuff like that, and the

1260
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 4: accuracy isn't very good with it. The other problem is

1261
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 4: when he has to sit back there in the pocket

1262
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 4: and survey those options downfield, like he's going to have

1263
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 4: to do in the NFL. He never showed that he

1264
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 4: had the pocket presence for that. He's not good at

1265
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 4: reading the defense after this snap. What he's very very

1266
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 4: good at is reading it before the snap. Bonix will

1267
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 4: run your system for you, and that Oregon system was

1268
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 4: super duper smart. He all you had to do is

1269
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 4: go to line. He count where is the numbers advantage

1270
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 4: and that essentially told him, where's the ball going? The

1271
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 4: ball will get out very quickly. Bonix I believe had

1272
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 4: the quickest time to release in this entire draft class.

1273
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Speaker 4: And he also I believe had the second lowest A dot,

1274
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Speaker 4: the only guy lower than him. I'm doing this alb memory,

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01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,479
Speaker 4: so if I'm a little forgive me. Was Austin Reid

1276
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 4: of Western Kentucky. The classic air raid offense that Clay

1277
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 4: Helton runs down there. Whatever, it's a Mickey or I'm

1278
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 4: sorry his brother Tyson Helton. Clay runs it at Orgia Southern,

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01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 4: but everyone acknowledges that that version of the air rate

1280
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 4: it's a Mickey Mouse offense where you know, it doesn't

1281
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 4: really translate to the NFL. Bonix was running more or

1282
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Speaker 4: less the same thing, Like I mean, if you look

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Speaker 4: at the A dot, the average time to throw ou

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Speaker 4: different stuff like that Bonix and Austin Reid. It's like

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Speaker 4: looking in a mirror. I know that Bonix was better

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Speaker 4: at that. But the things that I trust Bonicks with

1287
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Speaker 4: in the NFL, it's he'll run the system. He has

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Speaker 4: decent mobile and I like his accuracy short and more

1289
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 4: or less into the intermediate range. It's the rest of

1290
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Speaker 4: the stuff where it starts to fall apart for me.

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Speaker 4: So maybe you could have you could try to build

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Speaker 4: an efficient offense around him that didn't have any of

1293
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Speaker 4: the explosive element. I think you're asking for trouble if

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Speaker 4: you ask them to sit back there and try to

1295
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Speaker 4: generate explosive plays.

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Speaker 1: For you to work.

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Speaker 4: Sean Payton, I could see that one. You know, desperation

1298
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Speaker 4: is a stinky cologne, and the Broncos are in a

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Speaker 4: very desperate situation right now with their quarterback, and it's

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Speaker 4: looking like they could be the ones. I mean, this

1301
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Speaker 4: is the would be the betting favor right now on

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Speaker 4: the board that they're gonna be the ones that are

1303
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Speaker 4: boxed out of those top four quarterbacks. In fact, it's

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Speaker 4: getting harder and harder to envision them getting up to

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Speaker 4: be one of the being able to take one of

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Speaker 4: the top four quarters. They're behind the Vikings. The Giants

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Speaker 4: are a clear and present danger the top three teams

1308
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 4: right now, you would put them as favorites to take quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: If that's the case, the Broncos are sort of stuck

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01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 4: back there, and then it's like, are you going to

1311
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 4: overdraft someone at thirteen or wherever? Twelve wherever they're sitting,

1312
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 4: or do you trade back or do you do it?

1313
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 4: You know, with they don't have the second round pick.

1314
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 4: People need to remember that as well. But Bo Knicks

1315
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 4: is a guy I could see as as frustration and

1316
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 4: inertia starts to set in for Sean Payton here over

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Speaker 4: the next five weeks, as he realizes he doesn't have

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Speaker 4: any cap room, not gonna be able to go out

1319
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 4: and sign you on, and as he realizes the draft

1320
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Speaker 4: equity in Denver situation is not very good as well.

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Speaker 4: The only way that you're gonna be able to swing

1322
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Speaker 4: getting into the top five, and by the way, you're

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Speaker 4: not doing that with the Chargers. Jim Harbaugh is not

1324
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 4: trading an interdivision rival his son JJ McCarthy. It is

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Speaker 4: not happening. So they need to get up to number

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Speaker 4: four or to number three. I just I don't know

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Speaker 4: about that. You're gonna have to give up your first,

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Speaker 4: your third, your fourth, your next year's one to even

1329
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Speaker 4: begin that conversation, and you're probably gonna have to give

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Speaker 4: up your one after that as well. So now you

1331
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 4: have no draft picks for years. You also have no

1332
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Speaker 4: cap room. I just don't know. They're in a tough situation.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I think bo Nicks. I could see Sean

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01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 4: Payton watching his film and being like, oh, this is

1335
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 4: a college veteran who had a lot of experience. You know,

1336
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 4: he's he was a little over six foot. The mechanics

1337
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 4: are are nice and tight. He's accurate, shirt and intermediate.

1338
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Speaker 4: He reminds me of a guy used to work with

1339
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 4: the New Orleans I could see Sean Payton just slowly,

1340
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 4: day after day, talking himself into the idea of Bonex

1341
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Speaker 4: and then just egregiously overdrafting Bonex.

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Speaker 1: Okay, actually one more I saw this during the combine.

1343
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: Their measurables were very similar, and that's Brock Bauers and

1344
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: Sam Laporta and Bowers has been one of the better

1345
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: players in college football over his three year stretch. I'm

1346
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 1: from northern California. He was a NAPA kid, ends up

1347
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 1: at the Powerhouse program and kicks ass. Now, the tight

1348
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: end position kind of polarizing to you draft a guy

1349
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 1: really high, given that you know they technically don't make

1350
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: that much money. I don't see a scenario where he's

1351
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: not a good player, given the way the game's played,

1352
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: given his versatility, where he's the Laporta Kelsey. They're just

1353
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: a dominant wide receiver. Most linebackers are not going to

1354
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: be able to cover him as a prospect in this draft.

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Speaker 1: Where do you have him?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I come from with George Kittle, by the way,

1357
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 4: I went to grad school at Iowa. It sort of

1358
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 4: feels like he should have been in Iowa tight end.

1359
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Speaker 4: Of course he couldn't. Yeah, Kirby Smart listen to this

1360
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 4: is like uh uh uh Kirby Smart. By the way,

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Speaker 4: he said, if brock Bauers that they had used him

1362
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Speaker 4: at running back the last couple of years, brock Bowers

1363
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 4: would have been the best running back on the roster.

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Speaker 4: I don't think of brock Bauers as a tight end.

1365
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Speaker 4: He's an offensive weapon. He can win on the outside,

1366
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 4: he can win in the slot, he can play in line,

1367
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 4: shift him into the backfield, he can do the ender

1368
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 4: round stuff with him. He's sort of like the Deebo

1369
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 4: Samuel of tight ends. And if you you know, you

1370
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 4: hand him the ball. He was great as a runner

1371
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 4: at Georgia. Just manufactured touches for that guy and watch

1372
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Speaker 4: him go the fit with the Chargers. You saw a

1373
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Speaker 4: lot of the mocks where he's going five. I think

1374
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 4: that's a little too high just for the player and

1375
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 4: the type in the position where we're at in the

1376
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 4: NFL right now. But this goes back into what we

1377
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 4: were talking about about the trade down scenario, where I

1378
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 4: think the Chargers have every incentive to try to move

1379
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 4: down the Vikings at eleven. They come calling, they're off.

1380
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to offer your first round pick next year,

1381
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,439
Speaker 4: so it's gonna be eleven. It's gonna be your twenty

1382
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 4: twenty five first rounder. The Vikings will probably have to

1383
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 4: also toss in a late Day three this year. That

1384
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 4: should get it done. You can't take brock Bauers at

1385
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Speaker 4: number five, I don't think you know where you can

1386
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 4: take them though number eleven, and then you pay them

1387
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Speaker 4: less as well. Then you also have a future first

1388
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Speaker 4: round pick and different stuff like that. That's what I

1389
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 4: think would be a really good fit and the guy

1390
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 4: that Jim Harbaugh would obviously love.

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Speaker 1: Thor tell everyone where they they can find your stuff.

1392
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 4: You can find myself on Fantasy Pros and Betting Pros.

1393
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 4: We have the Fantasy Pros NFL Draft Show with me

1394
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 4: and Derek Brown, which I'm hoping that you will join.

1395
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 4: Us on very soon John chopping up a bout some

1396
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 4: more prospects. This was a ton of fun and you

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Speaker 4: can find me on Twitter at thor Ku.

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Speaker 1: Thanks thor Take it easy, bro, Hey, good talking to you. Okay,

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01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: podcast from TJ. Enjoy your insight and perspective on football

1403
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 1: in real world topics. Like this guy just wondering your

1404
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: thoughts on the Raiders offseason so far. Chargers fan that

1405
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:32,560
Speaker 1: lives in the Central Valley, so naturally surrounded by Raider fans.

1406
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: I understand the Wilkins signing and I think it was

1407
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 1: a little steep, but get the need to solidify the

1408
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: defensive line. I don't get Minchew Baker Mayfield played for

1409
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 1: four million dollars last year and is by far a

1410
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: superior quarterback. I have never been impressed with Telesco and

1411
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 1: had a front row seat to his poor management of

1412
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: the Chargers. I honestly can't think of a good free

1413
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: agent signing he had. Then you let Jacobs, maybe your

1414
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: best offensive player, lead to the Packers when I feel

1415
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: like some of that Minshew money could have been spent

1416
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 1: to keep him around. I don't think Minshew is adding

1417
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:15,520
Speaker 1: any wins to your win calm. Are the Raiders destined

1418
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 1: for the same dysfunction we saw with the Chargers? Well,

1419
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: the Raiders didn't have a quarterback like you could not

1420
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: roll into next season with Aiden O'Connell. I mean, there's

1421
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 1: a chance he's a fringe backup. We know Minshew is

1422
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: a legit backup, ideal starter obviously not, but he got

1423
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 1: the Bridge contract. The reason Baker went for four million

1424
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 1: dollars last year, didn't have many people bidding for his services, right,

1425
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: and then he proved that he could still was pretty

1426
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 1: good and he got his bigger contract. But Minshew earned

1427
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 1: himself a lot of money last year playing for Stiking

1428
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 1: and just keeping the Colts afloat and really right down

1429
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:59,639
Speaker 1: to the last game and honestly that last throw, which

1430
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: he meant in the playoff hunt, which the Raiders don't

1431
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 1: have a serviceable quarterback that they can compete to be

1432
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 1: any good next year, Right, and listen, Aidan O'Connell did

1433
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 1: the best he could. I mean, they won a game

1434
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: against the Chiefs where he didn't complete a pass in

1435
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 1: the second, third or fourth quarter like that is not

1436
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 1: a sustainable way to play. And the Raiders don't control

1437
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:29,640
Speaker 1: their own destiny for a quarterback in the draft. So

1438
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 1: worst case, if they just had to play a season

1439
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:37,679
Speaker 1: with Minshew and nade O'Connell, while obviously going against Herbert

1440
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: and Mahomes, I have to look at the rest of

1441
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 1: their schedule. Not an ideal situation. It's better than rolling

1442
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 1: in with Aidan O'Connell. And it also allows you, if

1443
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 1: you are able to draft a quarterback you like, which

1444
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: we're still a month plus away from the draft, to

1445
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 1: not force that guy into play right away. So I

1446
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: think it gives him a lot of little flexibility. I

1447
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: hear what you're saying, Like, is Josh Jacobs a better

1448
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: player than Gardner Minshew? One? But if I have to

1449
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,719
Speaker 1: pick a quarterback who I can start with week one

1450
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 1: or my running back, I don't really have a choice.

1451
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: So I understand it. Do I want to give the

1452
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: guy fifteen million? I ideally know in what a lot

1453
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,640
Speaker 1: of teams have done it probably not, but I do

1454
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 1: think they're in kind of a unique situation. I think

1455
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 1: the problem for the Raiders is they have some high

1456
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 1: end star players, right, Davante elite, Crosby elite. Wilkins's pretty

1457
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 1: damn good and with Crosby might be considered elite. But

1458
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: if you don't have a good quarterback, like you're not

1459
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: gonna make the playoffs in the AFC. So I think

1460
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 1: there's a ton of pressure on them to just land

1461
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 1: a quarterback in the draft who becomes a good player.

1462
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 1: If they don't, I think they'll be destined to what

1463
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: they've kind of been just in no man's land. But

1464
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: I understand the signing. I am not against the signing.

1465
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 1: And ultimately, when it comes to a team like this,

1466
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,600
Speaker 1: when you don't have a starter on the roster and

1467
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 1: you don't have a super high pick, you kind of

1468
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 1: got to do this. You know, you kind of got

1469
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 1: to sign that bridge player, which is what you want

1470
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 1: to avoid. I also think this to Let's Go made

1471
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,799
Speaker 1: some mistakes, like any GM, but he was a product

1472
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 1: of like Brandon Staley Anthony Lynn, they weren't very good

1473
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 1: coaches part as head coaches. Anthony Lynn's a really good assistant.

1474
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 1: We'll find out with Brandon Staley. One thing with the

1475
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: Raiders and I understand why they did it because a

1476
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, I think they regret not just

1477
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 1: rolling with Rich Bassacia, the special teams coordinator, when he

1478
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:50,560
Speaker 1: helped him, you know, when Gruden got fired and he

1479
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 1: led him to the playoffs. Is they didn't want to

1480
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,799
Speaker 1: make that mistake again, and they went with Antonio Pierce,

1481
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 1: which I completely understand doing it. Now do I believe

1482
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: Antonio Pierce is going to be a star coach. I

1483
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 1: think it's very, very difficult when you don't have a quarterback,

1484
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 1: even if you do have the talent to be a guy. Now,

1485
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 1: he's pretty outspoken, a lot of pump in his chest,

1486
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: but like he's a former player and was a damn

1487
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 1: good player and was. And here's where I support Antonio Pierce.

1488
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 1: Who likes you, who supports you well. Marvin Lewis and

1489
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin, two pretty high level football guys are Antonio

1490
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 1: Pierce guys. So it's why I believed in Dan Campbell. Now,

1491
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: what did Dan Campbell get Pretty quickly, he got Jared Goff.

1492
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 1: So for all the picks that the Lions hit on

1493
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 1: and the talent they have at all these different positions,

1494
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 1: if they had a shitty quarterback, if they rolled out

1495
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 1: with Aidan O'Connell last year, they would not have been

1496
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 1: that good. So if Antonio Pierce is going to be

1497
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 1: a good coach, he doesn't need Mahomes. I mean, ideally

1498
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 1: you get something like that. He just needs a top.

1499
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 1: I don't know a guy that's like fourteenth, right, and

1500
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 1: if he doesn't get that, it's going to be very,

1501
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: very difficult. It really is. So I I think the

1502
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 1: success of the Raiders, like a lot of teams, all

1503
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 1: hinges on the quarterback. Like the Commanders, they will be good.

1504
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 1: They're well run operation now, but if they miss on

1505
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: this quarterback pick, they're fucked. The Jets like they missed

1506
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 1: on Zach Wilson, it had devastating consequences. The forty nine

1507
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: Ers would have been completely screwed if perty didn't end

1508
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 1: up being good as a seventh round pick. So it's

1509
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:30,719
Speaker 1: all gonna come down to quarterback play, and Gardner Minshew

1510
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 1: at least can just keep them afloat. There's a little

1511
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 1: off topic, but I'm a current senior in college and

1512
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 1: was recently admitted to graduate school at your alma mater,

1513
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: Col Pauly San Luis Obispo. Congratulations must be a smart guy.

1514
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 1: I was wondering how you liked your time there and

1515
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 1: if you would recommend I loved it, man, it was

1516
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 1: a pretty special place, and for me personally, it was awesome.

1517
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: I mean it was. It's just an incredible town in

1518
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 1: central coast to California. It's not on the water, but

1519
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 1: you're ten minutes away from the ocean, Pismo Beach, Avla Beach.

1520
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:15,679
Speaker 1: Without that experience, you know, it allowed me. I got

1521
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 1: to work with the athletic department and then the football program,

1522
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 1: so it kind of catapulted early on in my career.

1523
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 1: Now I don't even know if the school newspaper is

1524
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:28,679
Speaker 1: in function anymore, but your boy had a little column

1525
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:32,600
Speaker 1: called Johnny in the Box. But overall, I mean, incredible

1526
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 1: place to go to as an undergrad. Babes booze, incredible weather,

1527
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:43,719
Speaker 1: fun party scene. But I would recommend it for sure.

1528
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 1: Now I don't know exactly what you're going to be

1529
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:49,639
Speaker 1: a graduate student in. There's not that much industry there.

1530
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 1: It's a small This isn't some big city. But could

1531
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 1: not have had a better time in college. Was that

1532
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:01,879
Speaker 1: the USC basketball game. DJ Stroud walked up to Lebron

1533
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 1: to say goodbye I was sitting pretty close and he

1534
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 1: looked really thick on the slightly shorter side for a quarterback,

1535
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 1: but extremely built and broad shouldered. We got a little

1536
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 1: scout here in the stands. I know hindsight is twenty twenty,

1537
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 1: but I don't know how Bryce Young was taken ahead

1538
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 1: of him. I'm a believer in being open to average

1539
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 1: physical traits for some attributes, but why take the risk

1540
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 1: on someone so small? Another question, what is the league's

1541
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 1: sentiment on Will Levis? Yeah? I think Bryce Young was

1542
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 1: a really good player in college. I loved him, you know,

1543
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:43,480
Speaker 1: playing at Alabama, his instincts, he was a good pocket quarterback.

1544
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 1: But once you see him in the NFL, it's pretty jarring. Now,

1545
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: I'm with you. It's hindsight's always twenty twenty, but I

1546
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 1: think it was pretty universally believed in scouting departments. This

1547
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 1: guy was a big time player. Then things change once

1548
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 1: you get to the NFL. A lot of guys we

1549
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: viewed as great prospects and they get drafted high, and

1550
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 1: then they get to the NFL and they're not as good.

1551
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 1: A lot of guys. Someone texted me the other day

1552
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 1: about Keenan Allen. It's like Keenan Allen went in the

1553
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 1: third round. Think how many players who have been out

1554
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 1: of the league for seven, eight nine years went above

1555
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen in the draft. If you would have known

1556
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 1: that at the time, Keenan Allen's going on like the

1557
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: top fifteen of his draft. But you don't, So it's

1558
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 1: always easy immediately. And here's the thing. It's not like

1559
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 1: CJ fell He went number two. And I don't know

1560
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 1: this for a fact, but people have alluded to this.

1561
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say if the Texans would

1562
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 1: have had the number one overall pick, that they would

1563
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 1: have taken Bryce Young. So I'm with you. Once you

1564
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 1: see the guy and then you watch him play, you're like,

1565
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 1: what are we doing? But it happens all the time,

1566
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 1: and it's gonna happen again every single draft. So it

1567
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 1: has a chance to be an all time mistake. If

1568
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 1: CJ becomes what it looks like he has the chance

1569
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 1: to become, and what Bryce is just going to have

1570
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: to overcome with his organization to begin with. You know,

1571
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 1: it's hard quote unquote league sediment on a player who's young,

1572
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 1: Like you could talk to people in the league that

1573
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: love the guy or love the guy coming out, and

1574
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 1: you could talk to people in the league that did

1575
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 1: not like the guy. I do think it's one thing

1576
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 1: I thought, once upon a time, like his junior year,

1577
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 1: he had a chance to be a top top pick,

1578
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 1: like the number one guy. Obviously, his senior year did

1579
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: not go well. Colin talked about some teams. You know,

1580
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:40,599
Speaker 1: we're not huge fans of his lifting regiment. We've seen

1581
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 1: the dad bods on Mahomes. Brady no longer has a

1582
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 1: dad bod because he doesn't, I mean, eat anything with

1583
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 1: any saturated fat. We were watching the documentary the other

1584
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: night in bed and I it was like, God, Maria

1585
01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 1: tom Brady like in the early even later twenty tens.

1586
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 1: Obviously he's always been a pretty good looking guy, but

1587
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: look like a normal human and I listen, I don't.

1588
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 1: I don't have any hair, so I'd never blame anyone

1589
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 1: for getting hair transplants. Tom Brady's hair transplants worked, but

1590
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 1: it looks like he's got some surgery on his face.

1591
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 1: But he's never been you know, some huge lifter, you know,

1592
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. There was a picture circulating about the dad bought.

1593
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: You don't need to be a big lifter to be

1594
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: a good quarterback. You know Derek Carr, when you watch

1595
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 1: him during OTA, he's always has his jersey rolled up

1596
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 1: and his guns. Derek likes the gym. I don't need

1597
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 1: my quarterback to be in love with the weight room

1598
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:44,600
Speaker 1: in the sense of curls and squats maybe, but the

1599
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 1: upper body. It's more about pliability. And that's the one

1600
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 1: thing when you watch Will Levis physically, I mean, good athlete,

1601
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: runs fucking guys over like he's a linebacker, huge arm.

1602
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 1: Can you be a good quarterback? I would say most

1603
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 1: people would say, we'll see. You know, historically the odds

1604
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:08,719
Speaker 1: are against you. But the Titans clearly did a good job.

1605
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 1: Or at least we're very very aggressive of like we're

1606
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 1: gonna find out really quick. We get him Tony Pollard,

1607
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:19,640
Speaker 1: we get him Calvin Ridley. They're gonna be aggressive, you know,

1608
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 1: putting offensive weapons around him. And I think the reason

1609
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 1: you do that is one just you want good players

1610
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 1: on your team that they are in desperate need of impact,

1611
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 1: offensive skill guys. But also like, I'm not a huge well,

1612
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 1: he didn't play with anyone most guys in the league.

1613
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 1: He can't really say that about Eventually, it's like you're

1614
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 1: playing with somebody. But that was the justin Fields argument,

1615
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 1: Like who's he playing with? I don't know, Dj Moore,

1616
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 1: who'd start in every team in the NFL. Moody pretty good,

1617
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 1: little offensive weapon, cole kmet, solid tight end, He had

1618
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 1: enough weapons to prove he was serviceable in the passing game.

1619
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: And now I think we're gonna get that with Will

1620
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 1: Levis this year at least be able to have somewhat

1621
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 1: uh of. I wouldn't say, like a bottom line official

1622
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 1: he's good or bad, but like you'll be able to

1623
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 1: tell is it something worth continuing or something worth pivoting.

1624
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 3: Or off of?

1625
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:13,639
Speaker 1: Like the Falcons, it was clear like this guy can't play,

1626
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:16,799
Speaker 1: and now he got traded and now Desmond rods a beckup.

1627
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 1: Are there any restrictions on a signing bonus? If not?

1628
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 1: For example, if an owner has enough cash, could they

1629
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 1: pay a player a two hundred million dollar signing bonus

1630
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:32,799
Speaker 1: and one million dollar salary and only take one million

1631
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 1: of caphits. It seems like there must be some limits

1632
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 1: or there really isn't a hard salary cap. Well, a

1633
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 1: signing bonus just means if I pay a guy one

1634
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars in a signing bonus. I think Matt

1635
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:51,640
Speaker 1: Ryan got like a huge signing bonus years ago. That

1636
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 1: still impacts your cap. It still gets amortized over the

1637
01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 1: life of a deal. So just if I give you

1638
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:04,720
Speaker 1: two years fifty million dollars and I give you a

1639
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:07,560
Speaker 1: signing bonus of forty million dollars, so there's just a

1640
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 1: difference of just ten million dollars left. That's not guaranteed,

1641
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 1: it's just part of the contract. That forty million. You

1642
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:16,639
Speaker 1: don't just get to like not put that on the books.

1643
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 1: It still impacts your cap. So I hear what you're saying,

1644
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 1: and it's it's confusing the way the stuff is reported.

1645
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 1: But it's not just because I get you could do

1646
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 1: exactly what you said, But that two hundred million dollars,

1647
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:36,680
Speaker 1: if it's a five year contract, still gets you know,

1648
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 1: you get to pick and choose where you impact the cap.

1649
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 1: But it's it doesn't just not impact you. It's more

1650
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 1: likely some teams have more cash on hand. It's why

1651
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 1: deals get done, right, It's why guys signed because you

1652
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 1: would always rather have the money today than in a

1653
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 1: couple of years inflation time value money. But it doesn't

1654
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:04,600
Speaker 1: circumvent your books. I played D three college ball athlete

1655
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 1: in Minnesota and still learning something new every time I

1656
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 1: listen to the pod. All my teammates want the Vikings to

1657
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 1: draft Pennix because of the flash. I want us to

1658
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 1: draft a McCarthy. I think he's athletic, less injured, a

1659
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: proven winner, and wasn't asked to do anything at Michigan.

1660
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 1: But if he could, he could do what he was

1661
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 1: asked to do. I think our coach is an elite

1662
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 1: offensive coach and could make him a top ten NFL quarterback.

1663
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 1: I just saw we signed Darnold to a one year deal.

1664
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 1: What do you think about the Viking should do it

1665
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 1: long term quarterback? Also, I know losing Cousins is bad

1666
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 1: in the short term, but we weren't desperate and now

1667
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 1: have flexibility and aren't tied to a horrible contract. You

1668
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 1: know what social media loves to do, Like when a

1669
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 1: young player unfollows or follows people, it's like, oh my god,

1670
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 1: he just took so and so team out of his

1671
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 1: bio or oh my god, JJ McCarthy just followed Justin

1672
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:07,759
Speaker 1: Jefferson and Jordan Edison. May mean something, may mean nothing.

1673
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 1: Maybe just I don't know wanted to follow those guys.

1674
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:14,480
Speaker 1: Maybe he meant them training at one of his training facilities,

1675
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 1: or maybe he knows the Vikings like him a lot.

1676
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 1: I would imagine they will be heavily in the mix

1677
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 1: to draft one of these quarterbacks. But this is what

1678
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 1: I keep saying, goes back to the Raiders, the Broncos,

1679
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 1: the Vikings. They're not alone and none of these teams

1680
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 1: control their own debt. You don't know, like it takes

1681
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:37,640
Speaker 1: two to tango. Are you gonna be able to trade up?

1682
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,599
Speaker 1: Is the team want to trade back? Is the guy

1683
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 1: that you specifically like there? So it's it's complicated. I

1684
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 1: when I watched ja J. McCarthy, I didn't see some

1685
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 1: super high pick. But I'm just basing it off his

1686
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 1: talent on that given game. Part of the draft is

1687
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 1: about projecting, not just what he is right now. What

1688
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 1: can he be, how old is he, what are his

1689
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 1: physical traits? Like you said, what's he asked to do?

1690
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not fair to just judge him on an

1691
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 1: individual game basis when he doesn't typically play right just

1692
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 1: flinging the ball over the yard, which you would do

1693
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 1: much more often in the NFL, especially if you had

1694
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison and Justin Jefferson, So maybe a lot of

1695
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:24,639
Speaker 1: scouts in front office's view, there's a lot of untapped potential.

1696
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:33,559
Speaker 1: You're an inspiration to achieving great things. Just a podcaster

1697
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:38,600
Speaker 1: man messaging you about tipping. Last season, I went to

1698
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 1: the Hawks forty nine ers game at Lumen Field. Assume

1699
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 1: that's what Seattle now calls their field. They have a

1700
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 1: new self checkout beer lines that would be awesome if

1701
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 1: you're like nineteen years old. Now get this. There's a

1702
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 1: tip option when you ring yourself up. I kid you not.

1703
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 1: I watch a sheep in front of me. Mindless added

1704
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 1: eighteen percent to their insanely overpriced beers. Not us, though, John,

1705
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 1: We're not cheap. That's insane. I notice it sometimes at

1706
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 1: the gym. I go to the gym I go to

1707
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 1: kind of is an all in one. There's like a

1708
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 1: spa there, there's like stores, and there's a cafeteria. And

1709
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 1: this is always risky. It's like anyone that's a member

1710
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 1: at a country club knows. You just walk up and go, hey,

1711
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:33,600
Speaker 1: middle cough, four beers for my buddies, or can I

1712
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 1: get four hot dogs? Four beers? And you know, eight

1713
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 1: bag of chips and three cocktails put it on my name,

1714
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 1: and I do that sometimes at the gym. The problem

1715
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 1: is that's not free. You have to pay for it.

1716
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 1: It gets on your bill and sometimes, you know, I'll

1717
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 1: just go up, hey, can I get a smoothie? They

1718
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 1: make smoothies and the smoothie. Let's face it, it's way

1719
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 1: cheaper to make your own smoothie. Sometimes I'm just lazy

1720
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 1: and I don't want to clean up, so I'll just

1721
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 1: order the smoothie there, or you know, kind of protein

1722
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 1: shakes movie. They have a really good one, Mokajava put

1723
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 1: a little peanut Butter's bomb. It's like twelve bucks, which

1724
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:09,639
Speaker 1: is again stupid by but sometimes I'm really hungry after

1725
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 1: you know, a nice little power lift, and they'll just

1726
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 1: the add a tip option and they're staring right at you,

1727
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 1: and I feel really bad, but it's like I just

1728
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 1: this is isn't this kind of you're just making my smoothie,

1729
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 1: which half of it's already kind of pre made. At

1730
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 1: least there is like they're doing something the self checkout

1731
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:34,599
Speaker 1: line tip. That's fucking insanity. That that is that's crazy,

1732
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 1: And like you say, some people aren't even paying attention.

1733
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 1: Maybe have a couple of beers in them already. That's crazy.

1734
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 1: As a Rams fan, I believe they make a Super

1735
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 1: Bowl run next season if they go heavy defense in

1736
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 1: the offseason. Do you think using the old model of

1737
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:51,799
Speaker 1: going all in and f those picks is the best

1738
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 1: route to take? Maybe going out and bringing in a guy.

1739
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 1: This guy's already off the board. This is kind of

1740
01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 1: an old question, like Chris Jones or another you tackle

1741
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:04,639
Speaker 1: with it, and I almost said Antonio Davis Aaron Donald.

1742
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 1: He just wrote ad or do you believe they should

1743
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 1: go more conventional route? I I think you got to

1744
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 1: be very careful with that, and they just found themselves

1745
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 1: in a position right where that caught up to him.

1746
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 1: I think having picks allows you some flexibility, and what

1747
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 1: they did worked, But now they went the other route

1748
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 1: last year and a lot of those high picks. I

1749
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 1: guess they weren't high picks, but you know, second third,

1750
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 1: they even have a second rounder. They definitely had third fourth.

1751
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 1: I mean, those guys were a huge reason they were

1752
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 1: in the playoffs and easily could have won that playoff

1753
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:42,799
Speaker 1: game against the Lions. So I think there's a balance,

1754
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 1: and once you have success with draft picks, cheap labor,

1755
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 1: it's kind of easier to go that route now. As

1756
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 1: of recording this, you always wonder like, could they be

1757
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:53,320
Speaker 1: a sleeper to make a huge trade for a player

1758
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 1: with their first round pick. I think that's always on

1759
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 1: the table. I think that's always something they heavily, heavily

1760
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 1: consider should But I would, for the first time maybe

1761
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:06,759
Speaker 1: try to use some of my draft amo because proven

1762
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:11,639
Speaker 1: like you guys are pretty good drafters. Love the pod

1763
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 1: thoughts on the NFL separating quarterback contracts from the rest

1764
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 1: of the cap or splitting the salary cap so offensive

1765
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 1: and defensive sides of the ball are their own cap.

1766
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 1: We talk about this a lot, making a quarterback contract

1767
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 1: a percentage of the salary cap, making somehow to maybe

1768
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 1: your highest paid player, even if he's not a quarterback,

1769
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 1: if you've drafted him like a TJ. Watt, Nick Bosa,

1770
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:40,559
Speaker 1: right a player Elaine Johnson, there's some benefit, Like it

1771
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:43,640
Speaker 1: does make sense, but it doesn't feel like that's ever

1772
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 1: gonna happen. We talk a lot about that, and I

1773
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:48,559
Speaker 1: get questions about that a lot. It's just something you

1774
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:51,040
Speaker 1: might have a conversation at a bar with a buddy.

1775
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 1: But It doesn't even feel like that's ever gained any

1776
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 1: traction to being reality. So it's fun to talk about,

1777
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:01,520
Speaker 1: but it doesn't. I do not expect that because ultimately

1778
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 1: what that would mean would be the owner spending more money.

1779
01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 1: So the one benefit for them having the hard cap.

1780
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 1: It doesn't limit how much they can spend. And if

1781
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:12,799
Speaker 1: you did something like that, oh, the quarterback contract doesn't

1782
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:17,599
Speaker 1: count on a second contract. Well, it's not like the players'

1783
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 1: union is going to allow the salary cap to come down.

1784
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:23,679
Speaker 1: So I think the owners like the gig they got

1785
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:26,639
Speaker 1: right now, and that would have to be something collectively bargained,

1786
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 1: which I would imagine they are. They are just not

1787
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 1: gonna do. Just got my three and out hoodie and

1788
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 1: it's awesome. Warn it like three days straight. Good Man, Steve.

1789
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:42,680
Speaker 1: Question for the bag. I'm seventeen years old and I'm graduating.

1790
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 1: Congrats on a piece of paper. Serve you well, I'm

1791
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:50,600
Speaker 1: not going to go to college currently and trying to

1792
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:53,880
Speaker 1: be an equipment assistant for an NFL team. Do you

1793
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,640
Speaker 1: have any suggestions of how I can break into the

1794
01:31:56,640 --> 01:32:00,440
Speaker 1: world of working in football like that with no serious,

1795
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:04,560
Speaker 1: relevant prior experience. Are there any entry level positions in

1796
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 1: the NFL where you can work with something football related.

1797
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 1: I think that's going to be very difficult, I really

1798
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 1: do to just get your foot in the door as

1799
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:19,800
Speaker 1: an eighteen year old with no experience and you don't

1800
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:23,599
Speaker 1: know anybody. The only reason I got in the NFL

1801
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:26,320
Speaker 1: was knowing people in the NFL. And the only reason

1802
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 1: I knew people in the NFL is I started in

1803
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:33,200
Speaker 1: college football. So I don't know your academic situation, but

1804
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 1: I would recommend, and I say this to anyone trying

1805
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 1: to get their foot in the door related to football,

1806
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:44,120
Speaker 1: which would mean training like a trainer, equipment guy, obviously

1807
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 1: scout coach. The easiest way to do that is through college,

1808
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 1: and whether you have to go to junior college to

1809
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:55,240
Speaker 1: then go to a regular college, it is. It is

1810
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:59,040
Speaker 1: really really hard if you don't know anybody. It's borderline impossible.

1811
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:03,360
Speaker 1: When I was in college at cal Pauly, when I

1812
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 1: didn't know anybody, I sent, like I don't know, probably

1813
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:11,559
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty letters to teams. Just you just look on

1814
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:14,200
Speaker 1: the internet. You find you wrote not like the head

1815
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 1: coach or the GM just kind of aimlessly sent. It's

1816
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:18,840
Speaker 1: like you don't even know what you don't even know.

1817
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 1: And I would say ninety percent of them did not

1818
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:24,360
Speaker 1: write me back. I still have some of the letters

1819
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:27,400
Speaker 1: from like the Bears, the Giants, the packers. I mean,

1820
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 1: they all said no. And these were like the business people.

1821
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 1: So it's it's very, very hard. Man. If you were

1822
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:38,439
Speaker 1: going to try to go, you're oute. One thing you

1823
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 1: could do is try to find equipment staff, the head

1824
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 1: of equipment for all these teams, go to the team

1825
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 1: websites and then maybe find them on LinkedIn and you know,

1826
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 1: connect with them and DM them that way. But even that,

1827
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard, diehard. Washington fan Collins take that

1828
01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 1: the commander should take Daniels at two, But like you,

1829
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:04,519
Speaker 1: I think that the protocotypical build of May seems hard

1830
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 1: to pass up on for a team in dire need.

1831
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 1: Alan Herbert or Big Ben, what are your thoughts. I

1832
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:14,639
Speaker 1: would just watch the highlight tape of Malik Neighbors, and

1833
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:17,479
Speaker 1: you watch Jayden Daniels make these throws like he's a

1834
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:21,000
Speaker 1: legitimate prospect. He's a big time athlete, he's got a

1835
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 1: big time arm, he's accurate, and he's tall. Now the

1836
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:27,320
Speaker 1: knock is he's skinny. But if you feel like he

1837
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 1: can put on weight, Like, why can't he become a

1838
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:35,639
Speaker 1: high end quarterback. He's not just some tiny little dude, right,

1839
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:40,280
Speaker 1: who's a good athlete. He's tall, he's just slight, and

1840
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 1: you can see it on TV or on YouTube when

1841
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:45,559
Speaker 1: you're watching highlights of him. You could see it at

1842
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 1: the Heisman when he was in his clothes. But if

1843
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:52,200
Speaker 1: you believe he can add weight through a strength conditioning program,

1844
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:54,680
Speaker 1: it's harder for younger guys to put on weight. Just

1845
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:58,360
Speaker 1: the right eating, get what the nutrition is. I think

1846
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:01,080
Speaker 1: he's very, very difficult to pass up. You know, may

1847
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 1: is a huge projection at least the guy that I watched.

1848
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:05,920
Speaker 1: Maybe I need to go back and watch more. But

1849
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:13,000
Speaker 1: the guy I watched was just I don't know. Smash

1850
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:18,639
Speaker 1: Mouth the band sent me a DM perfection on Party

1851
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:21,360
Speaker 1: with Coward. I've watched every place since he came in.

1852
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:24,960
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what he's talking about. Maybe

1853
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:29,599
Speaker 1: sometimes I push back on Colin when when he says

1854
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 1: pretty sucks twenty twenty four, this guy just send me.

1855
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:36,639
Speaker 1: NFL Media twenty twenty four. Scouting Combine reaches over five

1856
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:42,080
Speaker 1: million viewers, and his comment was just the NFL as King,

1857
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 1: even if you're a junkie, and I mean a junkies junkie,

1858
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:50,160
Speaker 1: the combine it. I actually enjoy it more for the

1859
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:53,639
Speaker 1: coaching interviews, Like if you're just watching the workouts, they'll

1860
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:55,559
Speaker 1: bring in a head coach or a GM to the booth,

1861
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 1: a college coach. I watched Sharon Moore in there with

1862
01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:03,520
Speaker 1: DJ and Rich. He was really impressive, like really impressive.

1863
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 1: I like that element, But just the workouts. I the forties.

1864
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:11,120
Speaker 1: It's cool to watch a guy run a good forty,

1865
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 1: but just watching guys run forties over and over can

1866
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 1: be to me a little boring. I think it's much

1867
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:19,160
Speaker 1: more of an entertainment product. And why I think it

1868
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:21,400
Speaker 1: resonates is because Coch like, you'll just be like John

1869
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:23,640
Speaker 1: Harball will be in the booth, Jim Harball will be

1870
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 1: in the booth. Belichick used to go in the booth

1871
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 1: like that. That part's cool, Hi, John. Question for the

1872
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:32,280
Speaker 1: back Niners are gonna be in the market for a

1873
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:35,559
Speaker 1: backup quarterback? Am I crazy to say they should bring

1874
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 1: back Jimmy Garoppolo knows the system, locker room and has

1875
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:45,640
Speaker 1: been to a Super Bowl. I know his relationship with

1876
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:51,200
Speaker 1: Kyle got weird. But curious your thoughts. I think there

1877
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 1: comes a point in time where you just move on,

1878
01:36:54,040 --> 01:36:57,600
Speaker 1: and if you get him for nothing, I think it

1879
01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:00,080
Speaker 1: would be enticing to them because they don't I have

1880
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:04,400
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback, Sam Donald, like. They felt very comfortable

1881
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:08,200
Speaker 1: with Sam Donald. Now he's gone Brandon Allen, who they

1882
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:10,800
Speaker 1: like a lot. It's much different being the third string

1883
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 1: quarterback and the backup quarterback. You're one broken ankle from

1884
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 1: just being the starting quarterback. Shit, it happened to party.

1885
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 1: So Jimmy Garoppolo is also suspended, right, He's gonna miss

1886
01:37:22,040 --> 01:37:26,120
Speaker 1: the first couple games for performance enhancing drugs, which I

1887
01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:28,120
Speaker 1: think it's fair to say a lot of times when

1888
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:32,080
Speaker 1: guys get popped, it's not always just because they want

1889
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:34,840
Speaker 1: to lift more. A lot of time injury related. You're

1890
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:39,800
Speaker 1: trying to rehab injuries. So maybe he didn't feel comfortable

1891
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 1: with all these surgeries he's had, and he's had a

1892
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 1: lot of them. He gets hurt a lot. I hear

1893
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 1: you knows the system players like him. I have a

1894
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:51,840
Speaker 1: hard time seeing Kyle go back down that road, but

1895
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:56,240
Speaker 1: I think you can never say never. I'm a Dolphins fan.

1896
01:37:56,800 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 1: I do not like Tua. I think he means as

1897
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:04,400
Speaker 1: a player, not personally. I do not get why they're

1898
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 1: extending him. They haven't yet. It's pretty obvious that there's

1899
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:10,960
Speaker 1: nowhere that they are nowhere near the Chiefs, Bills, or

1900
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:14,759
Speaker 1: Ravens because of the quarterback. We both know Tua won't

1901
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:16,920
Speaker 1: ever win a Super Bowl, So why would they resign

1902
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:22,840
Speaker 1: the quarterback? Well, this gets to why the Atlanta Falcons

1903
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 1: signed Kirk Cousins, right, this notion of like I saw

1904
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:30,960
Speaker 1: Cam Newton shitting on a one playoff win. Like, yeah,

1905
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:33,160
Speaker 1: it's not about the one playoff win. It's about winning

1906
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:35,200
Speaker 1: ten or eleven games. That's all they want to do.

1907
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:38,479
Speaker 1: They just want to be in the playoffs. That they

1908
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:40,439
Speaker 1: are not trying to win the Super Bowl. They're trying

1909
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:42,439
Speaker 1: to be in the playoffs. And when Tua has been

1910
01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:45,400
Speaker 1: their quarterback, they've been to the playoffs back to back years. Yeah,

1911
01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:47,720
Speaker 1: they got bounced in the first round and they did

1912
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:50,639
Speaker 1: not win the division. And they're probably worse now than

1913
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:53,720
Speaker 1: they were last year based on some of the you know,

1914
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:57,559
Speaker 1: impact players leaving. I mean, you lose your second best player,

1915
01:38:57,560 --> 01:39:01,559
Speaker 1: that's gonna be hard to fill that void a defensive line.

1916
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:04,719
Speaker 1: But I just don't know if they have any other options. Now,

1917
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:07,840
Speaker 1: I tend to be not in the mode of like

1918
01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:10,240
Speaker 1: just do it, to do it, like I understand why

1919
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:11,960
Speaker 1: the Falcons did it. I don't even think that's that

1920
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:16,160
Speaker 1: crazy to me, toua, It's like, well, how much is

1921
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 1: he getting? Can I give a Baker Mayfield's contractus? If

1922
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:21,280
Speaker 1: I could, I would do that. But all these reports

1923
01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:23,439
Speaker 1: are like one hundred and ninety two hundred million dollars

1924
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 1: guaranteed forty five to fifty million dollars a year. Like

1925
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm out. I'm just I'd played out another year.

1926
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:33,519
Speaker 1: That's just not usually what teams do though, So I,

1927
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:37,240
Speaker 1: under no circumstances could sign them to that contract. But

1928
01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:40,519
Speaker 1: I understand why teams do. But then they end up

1929
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:42,720
Speaker 1: complaining about it in a couple of years, which is

1930
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:46,479
Speaker 1: what I think would happen. Now here's the thing. When

1931
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:50,599
Speaker 1: you sign TUA to this contract, it actually makes the

1932
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:54,200
Speaker 1: next couple of years his cap number cheaper. But it

1933
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:56,840
Speaker 1: comes into play in a couple of years when this

1934
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:59,680
Speaker 1: cap hit just goes up dramatically because you push the

1935
01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:06,080
Speaker 1: money back. I would play it out another year. Doubt

1936
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:09,919
Speaker 1: they do it, though you mentioned the eighteen game schedule

1937
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:15,440
Speaker 1: as being a benefit to everybody, especially the players financially

1938
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:19,720
Speaker 1: not physically. When will that benefit reach the fans? I

1939
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:23,120
Speaker 1: think about cost per game, and most games are completely

1940
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:27,679
Speaker 1: unreasonable to attend. Game time promo code John twenty dollars off.

1941
01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 1: How can the NFL make the live spectating experience more

1942
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:38,840
Speaker 1: accessible to people of all socio economic statuses. Well, this

1943
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:43,000
Speaker 1: is where I think you have misread their business. Their

1944
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:47,519
Speaker 1: business model is not based on you whether you could

1945
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:50,360
Speaker 1: afford a ticket or not. They simply do not care.

1946
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 1: Their business model is getting you to watch those games

1947
01:40:55,400 --> 01:41:00,240
Speaker 1: on television. Obviously they make money from people attending their games,

1948
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:03,599
Speaker 1: but whether you can afford and listen these tickets. I've

1949
01:41:03,600 --> 01:41:07,479
Speaker 1: said it forever with the NBA, like the NBA media

1950
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:10,360
Speaker 1: not complaining for years about these guys sitting out was

1951
01:41:10,439 --> 01:41:13,960
Speaker 1: such a shot at the paying customer. It was embarrassing

1952
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:18,760
Speaker 1: because going to watch a good NBA team with star

1953
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:22,840
Speaker 1: players is not cheap. NFL tickets obviously not cheap either,

1954
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:26,120
Speaker 1: if you want a decent seat fifty yard line, you know,

1955
01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:29,360
Speaker 1: second level club seats. It's outrageous. I went to a game.

1956
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:31,000
Speaker 1: I bought some tickets for some Buddies a couple of

1957
01:41:31,080 --> 01:41:34,559
Speaker 1: years ago, Rams Niners. I spent an astronomical amount on

1958
01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:37,120
Speaker 1: the tickets. Now, granted business can write it off, still

1959
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:39,200
Speaker 1: it was a lot of cash. It's still money I

1960
01:41:39,240 --> 01:41:42,600
Speaker 1: had to spend. And I get back to this and

1961
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:44,880
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, just like I would tell anyone whether

1962
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:46,840
Speaker 1: they have a dollar in their pocket or one hundred

1963
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:48,720
Speaker 1: million dollars in their pocket, they don't care if you

1964
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 1: go to the games or not. They simply do not.

1965
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:54,400
Speaker 1: They care if you watch the games on television. That's

1966
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:57,200
Speaker 1: where they make the overwhelming majority of their money. That

1967
01:41:57,400 --> 01:42:01,519
Speaker 1: is their business model. So I hear which saying, but

1968
01:42:01,560 --> 01:42:03,880
Speaker 1: the ticket prices are not going to come down one

1969
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:08,920
Speaker 1: and whether you know lower middle class, lower income people

1970
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:12,120
Speaker 1: can afford it. They just simply don't care because if

1971
01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:13,880
Speaker 1: you can't attend the games, here's what they know. If

1972
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:16,160
Speaker 1: you're an NFL fan, you're going to watch them on TV.

1973
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:19,320
Speaker 1: So when you see all these reports about television ratings,

1974
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:22,040
Speaker 1: that's what matters to them. Why, because that's where they

1975
01:42:22,120 --> 01:42:25,719
Speaker 1: make their money. So it sucks. And I've been lucky

1976
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:28,639
Speaker 1: to go to games for a long time, many for free,

1977
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:31,640
Speaker 1: and I never took that for granted. Now, granted, I

1978
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:35,320
Speaker 1: never went to an NFL game until I worked in

1979
01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:38,200
Speaker 1: the NFL in twenty ten. Never attended a game growing up,

1980
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:42,920
Speaker 1: never attended a game in college. It just never went

1981
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:45,640
Speaker 1: which is crazy to think about, but I never did.

1982
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:47,519
Speaker 1: I didn't even go to that many games grown up,

1983
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:49,400
Speaker 1: just in general. I went to a couple of Giants

1984
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:52,200
Speaker 1: games and Kings games here and there, but it wasn't

1985
01:42:52,280 --> 01:42:54,960
Speaker 1: like it was expensive. It was just not something my

1986
01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 1: family really did. But at the time, I didn't view

1987
01:42:58,439 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 1: it from my perspective, and I understand you don't view

1988
01:43:01,120 --> 01:43:04,040
Speaker 1: it from that perspective either, But that's just the simple

1989
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:07,759
Speaker 1: reality of their business model is they want you to watch.

1990
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:11,200
Speaker 1: They just simply like in baseball, they want you to attend.

1991
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:13,880
Speaker 1: Why they have eighty one home games and these teams

1992
01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:16,799
Speaker 1: make a lot of money from the gate. The NFL

1993
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:19,479
Speaker 1: and even NFL teams sit there on your couch and

1994
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 1: watch the game, which sucks if you want to go.

1995
01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:25,599
Speaker 1: I respect anyone who sits really high in the stands,

1996
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:28,280
Speaker 1: but if you're paying a couple hundred dollars to sit

1997
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:31,479
Speaker 1: high and you can't see much, that does suck. So

1998
01:43:33,479 --> 01:43:36,360
Speaker 1: my also, my pushback would be I don't think there's

1999
01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:38,000
Speaker 1: a better seat in the house in the sport of

2000
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:42,559
Speaker 1: football than your couch. There really isn't. It's it's a

2001
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:47,280
Speaker 1: sport literally made for television. It's hard to beat. Doesn't

2002
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:51,120
Speaker 1: fix your problem. But that's where the NFL kind of

2003
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:58,320
Speaker 1: measures out on that issue. The volume