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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, It's Sophia. Welcome to work in progress. High

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Speaker 1: Whipsmarti's welcome back to work in progress today. I am

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Speaker 1: so thrilled to be joined by the one and only

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Speaker 1: Matthew McConaughey. You likely know Matthew as an Academy Award

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Speaker 1: winning actor, perhaps also a New York Times best selling author.

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Speaker 1: He wrote an incredible memoir called Green Lights. He is

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Speaker 1: here to talk about his new book just because we will,

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Speaker 1: of course talk about his incredible career, spanning from his

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Speaker 1: first movie, Dazed and Confused, to films like A Time

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Speaker 1: to Kill the Wedding Planner, How to Lose a Guy

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Speaker 1: in Ten Days, Failure to Launch Fool's Gold my personal favorite.

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Speaker 1: As you know, I love anything having to do with

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Speaker 1: space Interstellar. I could go on and on, and perhaps

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Speaker 1: what impresses me the most about mister McConaughey is who

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Speaker 1: he is in the world, as a dad, as a friend,

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Speaker 1: as an advocate, and yes, as the co owner of

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Speaker 1: a soccer team. We have a lot to talk about today, enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me today. It's so

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Speaker 1: nice to see you again. Am I talking to you?

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Speaker 1: Are you at your home in Texas?

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Speaker 2: I am at home in Texas.

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Speaker 1: Yes, all right, Well for the friends joining us today.

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Speaker 1: We caught up for a few moments before we started

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Speaker 1: our interview, and Matthew's got an array of amazing musical

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Speaker 1: instruments from around the world on one side of him,

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Speaker 1: great art books on the other, including one of my favorites.

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Speaker 1: That's all about the Chinati Foundation, which is a beautiful

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Speaker 1: place out in West Texas. Theradith. I love knowing that

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Speaker 1: you have like Donald Judd fandom in your heart. That

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Speaker 1: makes me so happy. And you are someone who I've

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Speaker 1: known for a long time. I don't know well, but

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Speaker 1: I get to watch the way you move in the

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Speaker 1: world and to see the stories that you choose to

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Speaker 1: tell and also the things that you choose to do

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Speaker 1: with your platform has always really inspired me. And when

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Speaker 1: you opened up to write your memoir and talk about

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Speaker 1: your upbringing and your life, I thought that was such

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Speaker 1: a bold choice. And and we're here in this moment

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Speaker 1: where you've you've done something that I admire so much

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Speaker 1: in a different light. But it's another book You've written,

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Speaker 1: this beautiful children's book. I I love this book so much.

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Speaker 1: I love learning that it is based you know, on

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Speaker 1: these on these couplets inspired by Bob Dylan, who, by

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Speaker 1: the way, is on my office wall right here. There's

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Speaker 1: the coolest guy. There's so much that I just think

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Speaker 1: is so cool about you, man, And I want to

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Speaker 1: ask you a million questions. But yeah, I want to

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Speaker 1: start backing up from you know, Academy Award winner and

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Speaker 1: can you set a stage for us about who mister

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Speaker 1: Matthew McConaughey was as a kid, Like were you maybe

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Speaker 1: for if there's anybody listening who hasn't read the memoir, Like,

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Speaker 1: would you say that you were always this sort of joyful, curious,

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Speaker 2: No? I think you know what bring that up? I

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Speaker 2: think so. Look, I did realize this just a couple

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Speaker 2: I was never the best. I want trophies for most spear,

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Speaker 2: And it always just felt I wasn't trying to prove anything.

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Speaker 2: don't know why. I don't know. I just found people interesting.

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Speaker 2: My dad maybe I got some of that from my dad.

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Speaker 2: My dad, if I could say anything about him about

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Speaker 2: one of my greatst greatest traits is he was always

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Speaker 2: my big brother's class who name was Rudy, and he

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Speaker 2: But boy Rudy would just pedal those shortly, and my

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Speaker 2: he broke these certain times, and you always root for Rudy.

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Speaker 2: having an underdog mentality. Maybe I'm considered an overdog in

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Speaker 2: certain situations when maybe it's like, you're not an underdog

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Speaker 1: I find that so fascinating. So even when you are

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Speaker 1: how does that translate? Like, well, I could pick any

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Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by this. How does it show up for you?

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Speaker 2: I've got something to prove. I'm by that time. If

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Speaker 2: I'm in the game. I'm taking the snaps, you know.

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Speaker 2: But now everyone's you get a lot of you get

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because none of that's real anyway now, and it's

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Speaker 1: it's nice sometimes you need it for a confidence boost,

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Speaker 1: When you're expected to win, you're almost set up to fail.

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Speaker 1: That's why people say it's lonely at the top, right,

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Speaker 2: To flip that. But you know, flip it, you actually are.

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Speaker 2: I do it. I'm like, why don't I why do

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Speaker 2: I not have butterflies?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, concerns me did I am I not? Did I

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Speaker 2: I not challenge myself? Ways? Am I am I being

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Speaker 2: a little lazy? Am I just connecting the dots? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: What I did works? But was the room to find

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Speaker 2: the director there was? So let's let's not be so

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Speaker 1: And where I think I find that feeling of butterflies

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Speaker 2: an island. It's vacation. If we take care of our person,

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Speaker 2: our man, our woman are are our being, that's our character.

430
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Speaker 2: If we take care of that and that's our full

431
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Speaker 2: commitment every day, that's plenty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

433
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Speaker 2: And then some even you end up finishing something like

434
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Speaker 2: oh I could have done I missed. I didn't. I

435
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Speaker 2: didn't realize I could have done this that day. But

436
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 2: still it's plenty, and it's so important and it's but

437
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 2: it's also a vacation to have that singular focus, yes,

438
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 2: because we are in our own world, to turn the

439
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Speaker 2: rest of the world away, to not worry about time

440
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Speaker 2: and space of the real world we're living in.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Well, when you think about it, to hold

442
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 1: a whole life that you're creating in real time, it's

443
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Speaker 1: like you're building the bridge as you walk across it.

444
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Speaker 1: It takes a lot of focus. It's a lot of energy,

445
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Speaker 1: it's a lot of brain power, it's a lot of

446
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Speaker 1: emotional resonance. And you're right, like to to make an

447
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: island every day, yep, it requires a lot of energy.

448
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful energy. But yeah, you can't be like

449
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: off doing other things while you're doing this.

450
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Speaker 2: I mean, and what a gift. So, because you're not

451
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Speaker 2: building the bridge of the life of a character in

452
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Speaker 2: chronological order, yeah, you may be building mile two twenty

453
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Speaker 2: on day one and mile one the birth of the

454
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Speaker 2: character on day forty six. So you have to put

455
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Speaker 2: the puzzle together, or the music or the meter, the

456
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 2: musical sheet of where you are kind of have an

457
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Speaker 2: idea where you've just come from and where you're going

458
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Speaker 2: at every bridge that you put, Yeah, of a dark character.

459
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Speaker 2: That's super fun. It's almost scientific in a way. Or

460
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Speaker 2: its art.

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Speaker 1: And now a word from our sponsors, how do you

462
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Speaker 1: think about that? I've been really fascinated lately to talk

463
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: to people in our world about the way I visualize it.

464
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: You know, everyone always talks about a bottleneck, like things

465
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Speaker 1: start to narrow, and you know, how do you get

466
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Speaker 1: it all out? And I think about getting into a

467
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: job in the reverse order, like you got to get

468
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Speaker 1: in the mouth of the bottle and start to build,

469
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: and then it widens and it widens, and then you're

470
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Speaker 1: in this glass, you know, like the ship's in the

471
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Speaker 1: glass bottle. So where do you like to start in

472
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Speaker 1: the thirty years? You talk about, like what have you found?

473
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Speaker 2: I call it conservative early liberally, And I don't mean politics.

474
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Speaker 2: What I mean is you said you like to know

475
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Speaker 2: the social science the meaning that script that text is

476
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Speaker 2: our first Bible. Yeah, found that And while I'm reading,

477
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: I'm getting, oh, that's a cool idea, But I'm like,

478
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: we're not latching onto any imaginatory ideas. Right now we're

479
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 2: going to get nuts and bolts, what's engineered, what's the

480
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 2: truth in this script, in this text about my care

481
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Speaker 2: I'm going to get to know them inside of who

482
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: are they? Who are they not? What's true? Oh? And

483
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 2: then you get to somewhere and and maybe part of

484
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 2: this s could be like, why am I having trouble

485
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 2: with this? Well, if you get the first part right,

486
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,239
Speaker 2: you know what who what's true and who your who

487
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 2: your character is, it'll reveal who they're not. And you've

488
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: seen that you'ry in trouble with Probably isn't written well,

489
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 2: probably need to rewrite. It's a good sign but conservative

490
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 2: early liberal late. Now, once I can get the nuts

491
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 2: and bolts down and what's being given to me, now

492
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: comes a fun part of go through that bottle neck.

493
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: Now let's now, let's play. I've got a few rules

494
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: that do's and don't know who my man is and

495
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: who they're not. Nothing stringent, nothing, no vicecript on it.

496
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: But I understand the layland the rules of the world.

497
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 2: There are rules. If you're playing a lawyer, there's certain things,

498
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: certain things you might want to say. Understand that when

499
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 2: you're interrogating someone that in a in a courtroom, you go,

500
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: that's great that the lawyer could not say that. You

501
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 2: get so you have There are certain Okay, playing an astronaut,

502
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: there's certain things. There's a binacular, there's an occupation. Now

503
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: you go play somebody like a Wooderson, Inda's confused or

504
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: for me, the beach bump. There's no rules. This is

505
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: not about occupation. This is about anarchy or chaos or

506
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: cool or just about human interactions and jiz. Romantic comedies

507
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: are never really about the occupation. They're about back and forth,

508
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: a rhythm, Oh, attraction. I like seeing these two dance together,

509
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: d look out on the jet. Oh they messed with you.

510
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: Oh she's duping him. Oh he's duping her. But it's

511
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: not about you know, I lose a gun in ten days.

512
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: My characters works as an ad agency. Yeah, okay, but

513
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: who cares. It's not about a guy, right, It's just

514
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: a sort of a play center of an occupation. It's

515
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: about the interaction boy meets girl and the ones I've

516
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: done and then where they go. Then they come together,

517
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,239
Speaker 2: they break up, which chases the girl catches her at

518
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: the end, way come together kiss. The credits roll it's not,

519
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: you know, so I kind of break them down into

520
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: like it's very simply like you got Saturday night characters

521
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: and you got Monday morning characters. Now, yeah, Saturday nightlands

522
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 2: you turn responsibility down. Monday Morning you turn responsibility up.

523
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: And what is the task? What is the duty? What

524
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: are my responsibilities to my character? What do they need

525
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: to do? And who are they and who are they not?

526
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: In the occupation? A lot of times to tell you

527
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: that the consequences there are consequences. So dramas are really fun.

528
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: Dramas have higher consequences for good over that, for glory

529
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: or for pain. So I just but I start there

530
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: with the text, make sure I hammer that down and

531
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: really understand what the heck I'm saying and why it

532
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: was written, like to go to the writer or that

533
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: what does this mean? Oh oh that was your intent? Okay, okay, okay,

534
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: I miss okay. But then you start finding deeper meanings

535
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Speaker 2: that by the time we're going to go shoot, I'm

536
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: going to take over the character, we're going to go

537
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: on screen. I I want to be in full ownership. Yeah,

538
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: and I want to do I'm going to that writer

539
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: and going he's not yours anymore, he's mine. Yeah, you know.

540
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: Now I'm putting the bloodline into it. I've you, you

541
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: birthed it. But now I'm going to go lit it.

542
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: And I want to be the Matt has a cup

543
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: for me, the master of my man. I want to

544
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: I want to know what I know, know what I

545
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: don't know, and have come in and be able to

546
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: know what they would buy at the quick Mark with

547
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: the dollar in their pants that they landed on Mars

548
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: blind folkus you know what I mean, press recording, you

549
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: know what I mean to go and do what my

550
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: God would do. I want to know those things. And

551
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: that's when it becomes really fun.

552
00:31:54,480 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: You know, when you think about how you owe or

553
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: take someone like that, because you do, you're right. The

554
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: writer gives birth to this character and then you have

555
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: to make it your own. It becomes a part of you.

556
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: It becomes like your child in a way, like you

557
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: have to read this thing. Were there any nerves for

558
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: you when you started writing, when you decided like, hey,

559
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and write books. I'm gonna I'm gonna

560
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: stand into this other.

561
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you know what I did, and I

562
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: think you'll probably know what I'm talking about because it

563
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 2: goes along with us as performers as well. I think

564
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: we've all done it and I've done it before. But

565
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: I caught me and writing. I started off the first

566
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: two weeks and I was nervous and I was like,

567
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: I've always written, but I've never not out there as

568
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: a writer, and it was important to me the first

569
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: two weeks. Remember I was writing and go back, I'd

570
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: read some of stuff. I was like, it's really clever, truly, Wow,

571
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: that's an impressive since. And I noticed I was writing

572
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: to m hm, and that's what I wanted because I

573
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: was looking this toffically and very impressed. I was like,

574
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: but you're not You're not really getting there, dude. You're

575
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: kind of polishing the car kind Hey, you sound really

576
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: academically smart and clever, and I get it, but I

577
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: don't feel you. Man. So I was telling me, and

578
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, squashed it on. I was like, Oh,

579
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: don't write to impress anyone else. If you write well, yeah,

580
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 2: it may be impressive, but don't to impress. If you

581
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 2: write well, someone may go I'm impressed with that, but

582
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: that's very different than going I'm gonna write because I

583
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: want to impress you. And that's what I started off doing.

584
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: And I scrab and wow.

585
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: I love that, And I imagine you have to. You

586
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: have to get under the desire to be good, especially

587
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: when you're writing about your own life, because to write

588
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: about your own life, you have to be honest, and

589
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: you have to be who you are. You have to

590
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: be delicious and flawed and talk about your successes and

591
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: when you've been not your highest self and all those

592
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: things together.

593
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 2: That part, for me was pretty was the easier part

594
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 2: because I was truly the author of it and I

595
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: knew it, and so I didn't put any sort of

596
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: governor or limitation on my honesty. Trust me. I went

597
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: into things that I've edited out of the book. A

598
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 2: lot of people's favorite thing about the book is some

599
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: of the honesty, or say, oh that was so bold

600
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: we shared that there's I went into deeper detail in

601
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: certain things that I built out because for the because

602
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 2: I was also conscious that being a celebrity putting a

603
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: book out, I didn't want someone to pull a bold

604
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 2: print headline of one of those stories because that wasn't

605
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 2: what the book was about.

606
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they'll always try, yeah, you know, And I.

607
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 2: Was like, Oh, yes, that's risk reward. That's going to

608
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: be bait. And if that's a headline, it's getting people

609
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: off on the wrong track. So that's so smart, but

610
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 2: to be honest about it. But then it was you know,

611
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: because everything I think, if we're just honest, that doesn't

612
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: necessarily mean it's art. You know what I mean. It's

613
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: like the thirteen year old's diary journal. They're completely honest.

614
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: It does not mean it's Shakespeare, right, you know what

615
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: I mean? So the next challenge of the challenge was, well,

616
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: how is this I'm under in that little trick happens.

617
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: The more personal I got, the more I started to

618
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: go like, oh, I think this can have access to humanity.

619
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: I think other people see themselves in me because I'm

620
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: seeing myself and others, and then I can get this

621
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: reciprocity that what we do when art goes out and

622
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: you start to that's it. Oh I see you, you

623
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: see me? Oh you were so personal. But yet this

624
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: is about humanity, that's the honey.

625
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and that's the cool thing, right, is like

626
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: the truth that exists at that intersection of two essentially

627
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: opposite ideas that the incredibly specific is the most universal

628
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: like that that's the key hole through which people come

629
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: and like that's a big idea, you know, to process

630
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: as an adult. And it's so transcendent because it's what

631
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: you did here, Like you're telling kids all through this book,

632
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: in all of these couplets that these things that seem

633
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: to oppose each other are true at the same time.

634
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: And that's where the magic is. Like right in that

635
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: little key hole.

636
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm you know, And it's not it is.

637
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: It is a.

638
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: It can seem like a keyhole, it can seem like

639
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 2: a tight wire act, but when we're on it, it's

640
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: definitely not the bottleneck. It's yet. Yes, all at Auto

641
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: Bond sixteen Lanes swar.

642
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Speaker 1: It's the big bang, it's the whole than Yeah.

643
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Speaker 2: It's it's it's it's freedom, men, responsibility, It's that the truth.

644
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: And it's got a wink to it, you know what

645
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: I mean. It's it's honest, it's it's hard and it's playful,

646
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: you know you you smile through the pain and you

647
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: laugh through the tears. It's all of it. And uh,

648
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Speaker 2: I mean that finding that that that spot I think

649
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 2: we look at all goes as performers. People say this all, oh,

650
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Speaker 2: you're when when when performers do well, they're really becoming

651
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Speaker 2: someone else. I don't believe that. I think that's only

652
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: half the journey. I think that's when the boomerang, when

653
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 2: you there's only half way out. When it comes back

654
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: is when we say, no, I've inhabited someone else in

655
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: so I could see that in myself. Yeah, and now

656
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: it's coming out of us as personal vessels. It comes

657
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: that we're the instrument. And if we can yes understand

658
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Speaker 2: learn from outside and who that is. But what when

659
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Speaker 2: it comes back at your that's me. I love it?

660
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Speaker 1: Magic and now a word from our wonderful sponsors? Does

661
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Speaker 1: that learning that sort of journey to understand the boomerang?

662
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Speaker 1: And in the way that when you look back at

663
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Speaker 1: where it sort of went into your childhood and that

664
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Speaker 1: you can see now that your dad taught you to

665
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: love an underdog, and you learned later that your dad

666
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: was also an artist. And here you are, as an

667
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: artist learning the back and forth of these human journeys.

668
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Speaker 1: And you're a dad. You know, you've got three kids

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Speaker 1: who are you know, entering into their teen years. And

670
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Speaker 1: I imagine what an amazing journey to like rear these

671
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Speaker 1: little beings that are now becoming adults in their own right, Like,

672
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Speaker 1: is there sort of that you know, not to draw

673
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Speaker 1: too wide a conclusion, but like as your friend who

674
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Speaker 1: has like literal space tattoos on my body, because NASA

675
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: is my everything and the documentary The Farthest is my

676
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: favorite movie of all time. And I could literally do

677
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: a whole podcast episode with you just talking about Interstellar

678
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: and the journey of that person and the dad that

679
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: you play across space time like, so it really for

680
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: me feels meta, like whoa you You're sort of like

681
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: skating across this space in the universe of like art

682
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: and generational inheritance and your paternal lineage and all these things,

683
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Speaker 1: Like is there something about that that made you say,

684
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Speaker 1: even though your kids aren't little anymore, like I want

685
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Speaker 1: to write a book for kids to teach them about

686
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Speaker 1: this both And.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think again it started I think as me

688
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Speaker 2: coming back home, me going, hey, you eight, want buddy,

689
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Speaker 2: so you're always eight. If you want to be eight,

690
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Speaker 2: you have that, and I have that, I have the

691
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Speaker 2: eight year old. We all have whatever age we were

692
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Speaker 2: in us in our lineage, and we can go visit

693
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Speaker 2: it again and see through that prism again. So I

694
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Speaker 2: was doing it for me. I was doing my own

695
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Speaker 2: space journey back in time to when I was eight,

696
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Speaker 2: and that's where I was thinking. I was trying to

697
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Speaker 2: see the world through my eight year old guys. Now,

698
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Speaker 2: how much is that part and parcel having children and

699
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Speaker 2: trying to understand there and they're informing that, reminding me

700
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Speaker 2: of that prism to see through. But I was doing

701
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Speaker 2: it for me. And once I got there and wake

702
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Speaker 2: up and have this dream and start writing this ditty down,

703
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, right on, I'm glad you didn't forget that,

704
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: And thank you for reminding yourself Matthew with the couples

705
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Speaker 2: that are in the book, and then going, well, that's

706
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Speaker 2: what my kids, that's what I'm learning from my kids too.

707
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 2: That's stuff that they're wrestling with. And you don't want

708
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 2: to talk to a lot of parents that talk about

709
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: their kids wrestling with some of the same kind of stuff.

710
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Speaker 2: Oh boyd is that old news to me? No, it's

711
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Speaker 2: not old news to me, Glad. Like I said, glad,

712
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Speaker 2: I reminded myself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, put it.

714
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Speaker 2: Oh and hey, guess what it rhymes? Oh, what about illustrations. Yeah,

715
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Speaker 2: these things that package it to make it more digestible

716
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Speaker 2: and almost seem innocent, to make the broccoli taste good,

717
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Speaker 2: and we can serve our young people and the young

718
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Speaker 2: one in all of us to go. These are just

719
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Speaker 2: this is the truth about life of the poetry life.

720
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Speaker 2: It's not advice. Everyone's got their own story within every

721
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Speaker 2: one of these paradigmical couplets. You know, everyone's got their

722
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Speaker 2: own original story if they put themselves between. Oh, I

723
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: have felt this way and that way at the same time. Oh,

724
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: I have labeled someone a liar when actually it was

725
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Speaker 2: a one off. And I really promp shouldn't labeled them

726
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Speaker 2: that because they just kind of gibbed me that one

727
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Speaker 2: time and I actually found out that they didn't really

728
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Speaker 2: mean to and they aid and him an apologized for

729
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Speaker 2: But I call them I I cast them a liar,

730
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Speaker 2: and that person's been bruised by that. Since I did that,

731
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Speaker 2: maybe I need to go back and see if we

732
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Speaker 2: could rehabilitate the relationship, because that was just a yeah.

733
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Speaker 2: You know, Oh, I have got more excited when somebody

734
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Speaker 2: when my opponent missed the shot than when I made

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Speaker 2: the shot. Well that's that why huh. Do I have

736
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Speaker 2: a little trouble and joint seeing someone else's success? You know,

737
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Speaker 2: I have that one in there. Just because you keep

738
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Speaker 2: winning doesn't mean you're cheater. It's like someone there are

739
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: people that are just great at what they do and

740
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Speaker 2: something immediately go like h m hm instead of going wow, wow, yes,

741
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Speaker 2: get what humanity can Look how high humanity can rise?

742
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Speaker 2: Look at how look at the potential and they activated it? Yeah,

743
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Speaker 2: and they're just sit back and clap, And then that

744
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 2: will empower say hell of a lot more than going man.

745
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 2: You know, it's one of the worst diseases of aging.

746
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Speaker 2: M h when when we quit.

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Speaker 1: Believing and I think to create these opportunities where we

748
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Speaker 1: can interrogate those things and just as you said the

749
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Speaker 1: couplet about is someone a liar or did they just

750
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: lie one time? As a human, we can also look

751
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: at ourselves and say, am I being my highest self?

752
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: Am I greeting the world with joy? Am I meeting

753
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: other people's success with awe rather than jealousy? And can

754
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: I live a life where I self interrogate and check

755
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: in and make sure that as I age, learn grow,

756
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: I continue to lean into the good in myself and

757
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: for others, And I think, again, yeah, it's a children's book,

758
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: but it's a universal it's a universal lesson that's so important.

759
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: And it feels to me like it speaks to who

760
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: you are and what you do with your platform in

761
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: a larger sense. And I know we're coming up on time,

762
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: but I would be remiss. I want to talk to

763
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 1: you about space and soccer and all the other things

764
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: we have in common. But the foundation work that you

765
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: do is so impressive to me, and the way you

766
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: move in this world. And you said something earlier, you

767
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: know about story and you know this, start conservative with

768
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: the text on the page and then get liberal with

769
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: the artful ideas as you go, and you said, you know,

770
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: obviously you don't mean it politically. One of the things

771
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: that amazes me about what you do is that in

772
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: a world that seems to like ever increasingly want to

773
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: polarize us based on these identities or ideologies, you have

774
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: managed to remain who you are. Like you are mister Texas.

775
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: You are a sports fan, and you are an artist,

776
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: and you are an advocate, and you make films that

777
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: are meaningful to marginalized communities like Dallas Buyers Club and

778
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: you went and you advocated for the that makes me

779
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 1: want to cry. You went and you advocated for those

780
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Speaker 1: families and uvald so beautifully, and you talked about that

781
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: little girl's green shoes. And you have managed to supersede

782
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: the lie that we're all different, like you've managed to

783
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 1: remind people like, look, everybody wants their kids to flourish.

784
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: We're all in this big community together, and we should

785
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: sensibly support each other. And I find it to be

786
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: so amazing, And I wonder, like, do you just keep

787
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: your eye on that north star of how to advocate

788
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: for us and how to create you know, great programs

789
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: like what you do, what you've done for so long

790
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: with the Just Keep Living Foundation, what you've been doing

791
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 1: with this Green Lights grant initiative. It's big stuff.

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00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: Two things come to mind, as far as perspectives that

793
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Speaker 2: I have, approaches to living that I have that I

794
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: that are pretty much the two. I am an instinctial

795
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 2: at this point. I do compare for a contracts firmative,

796
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: where are we like? Because actually we are different. We

797
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: are all different in many ways, but we're much more

798
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: similar in our values than we give ourselves. Yeah, our

799
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 2: values are on a higher plane that are above politics

800
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: and above a whole bunch of these these these dichotomies

801
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 2: that that the didactics that we keep throwing out there

802
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: and trying to say, no, I need opposition, because I

803
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 2: get it. I understand why we why we trib up.

804
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 2: We want identity, We want to be a team. But

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00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: right now our basis a lot of our basis for

806
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Speaker 2: being on a team is not really even known what

807
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Speaker 2: our team's about. It's just about saying, well, I'm about

808
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: whatever they're not. It's just it's like we're counterpunching this

809
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: instead of moving forward affirmatively with a visually go you

810
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: know what, this this stands the test of time as

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Speaker 2: we progress as a people. Vers is not about saying

812
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: yes to everything. That would be anarchy.

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Speaker 1: Mh.

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00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: Progress will be about what from the past can we

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Speaker 2: go that's time true and tested, that works in the

816
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 2: storm and in the sunshine. We got to take that

817
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 2: into tomorrow and still be and still turn the page

818
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Speaker 2: and go, let's make sure our our our our updates

819
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Speaker 2: are improvements, because all updates are not improvements, you know.

820
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Speaker 2: And but we do need to update our iOS. We

821
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 2: do need to evolve, and I think we I think

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Speaker 2: we are, whether we know it or not. I think

823
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 2: we're going through a real growing pain right now. Well,

824
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: we're all just a little lost as in society because

825
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 2: we don't have that common value system that we can

826
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 2: all agree on. They're out there. I'm trying. I'm trying

827
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: to sell the ones that I that I that I

828
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 2: can see. There's a lot of other people doing it too.

829
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Speaker 2: But we need a we need a station that whatever

830
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: side of the aisle you're on, whatever, we need one

831
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 2: station that we can tune into and go M. I purchase,

832
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 2: that's cool. Now let's argue about this other thing where

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00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 2: I disagree, but we both purchase. We agree on that.

834
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Speaker 2: It's even in social expectations of ourselves and others, and

835
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Speaker 2: right now we just have our expectations as a society

836
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 2: are at a lower level than they than it's necessary,

837
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Speaker 2: and we're taking that kool aid because when you lower expectations,

838
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 2: it's easier. It's easier, Yeah, a whole lot harder to

839
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 2: say no to our kids and follow through and say

840
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 2: yes to everything. But what's going to be better for

841
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Speaker 2: them when they're eighteen twenty and move on? Some of

842
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 2: those no's that you follow through because you help them go. Oh,

843
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 2: I learned about that in the world. This hurts. That's

844
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Speaker 2: why I'm sad when Mom and Dad taught me that

845
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Speaker 2: it's maybe to understand and also prevent cure. There's a

846
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 2: lot of necessary things we need to cure, but my

847
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 2: instinct is to try and find things about where can

848
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Speaker 2: we prevent before we need to here? And creating, like

849
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 2: I said, to make the broccoli taste good. To see

850
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Speaker 2: that taking care of ourselves does not mean negating or

851
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: ignoring the welfare of others. Yep, taking care of others

852
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Speaker 2: does not negate taking care selfish of ourselves. That's another

853
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Speaker 2: contradiction we have, which I don't believe they are. There's

854
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Speaker 2: a place where ourselves is actually what's better for the

855
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Speaker 2: most amount of people. There's a place doing for the

856
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Speaker 2: most amount of people actually does serve ourselves selfishly.

857
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Speaker 1: Yes, because supporting our communities in this planet supports us.

858
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Speaker 1: It's again, it's it's the both.

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Speaker 2: And we have trouble as children and adults with the

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Speaker 2: concept of delayed gratification, trouble projecting very far into the

861
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Speaker 2: future about going, Well, the choice I'm making today, what

862
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Speaker 2: will it give me a greater reward? Tomorrow and use

863
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Speaker 2: a lot of plastic rings, and we sacrifice the golden

864
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Speaker 2: crowns of tomorrow. And I'm not talking about being a order.

865
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Speaker 2: I'm all for pleasure and having fun. And sometimes you

866
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Speaker 2: right have a cake and eat it too, eat too.

867
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Speaker 2: Will you only go for two, he'll go for four.

868
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Speaker 2: I'm all for that as well. There's a time for that.

869
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Speaker 2: But in many ways, sometimes we can just have a

870
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Speaker 2: little consideration for the consequence of choice. Now for ourselves, Yep,

871
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Speaker 2: what's going to be? That's what kind of green makes

872
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Speaker 2: is about. How can we we can all be cooler

873
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Speaker 2: to our future selves? Yes, I love that.

874
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Speaker 1: I know you've got to jump onto your next interview,

875
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Speaker 1: so I want to I want to wrap up by

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Speaker 1: just saying for the folks listening at home, who are

877
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Speaker 1: undoubtedly inspired, who are all going to go out and

878
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Speaker 1: pick up a copy of Just Because for themselves and

879
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Speaker 1: their kids, if they want to get involved with the

880
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Speaker 1: work you're doing with Just Keep Living as a foundation,

881
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Speaker 1: or they want to learn more about these green Lights

882
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Speaker 1: grants and where they can apply. Where where should people

883
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Speaker 1: go so they.

884
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Speaker 3: Can follow if you're interested in like we have forty

885
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Speaker 3: four school programs and after school Title one schools across America,

886
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Speaker 3: and we've really got some science behind Now it's work,

887
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Speaker 3: which feels really good to say.

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Speaker 2: Just keep Living Foundation dot org. That's living with no

889
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Speaker 2: G on the end, Just keep living because lack of

890
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Speaker 2: a verb. And if you're interested in green Light Grant Initiative,

891
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Speaker 2: which is we don't get to talk about it, but

892
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Speaker 2: it's it's it's helping the schools, the highest need schools

893
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Speaker 2: in America write the right kind of grant to get awarded.

894
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Speaker 2: The federal funds that are there of dollars. The federal

895
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Speaker 2: funds are there through the BIPARIS and Safe Communities Act

896
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 2: Who's Safe in Your Schools? And the government wants to

897
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Speaker 2: spend this money, but they understand the need. We are

898
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Speaker 2: helping the schools that need safe in themselves either physically

899
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Speaker 2: or through woman health counselors. We're helping them show that

900
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Speaker 2: need professionally through professional grant writing service. So cool. Go

901
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Speaker 2: to Greenlights Grant Initiative dot org. Check it out. We've

902
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Speaker 2: got a whole webinar on there, and there's many ways.

903
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Speaker 2: If you want to be at war, we can we

904
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Speaker 2: can use the help.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean for folks listening at home. Obviously,

906
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Speaker 1: we're aware that as a nation we need more mental

907
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Speaker 1: health support and initiatives and programming in schools, and I

908
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Speaker 1: think a lot of people don't know where to start

909
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Speaker 1: because applying for government grants is you know, it's complex,

910
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Speaker 1: it's expensive, it's intimidating. A lot of people don't know

911
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Speaker 1: where to go. So what Matthew's doing with green Lights

912
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Speaker 1: is huge. It's it's making it easy for you to

913
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Speaker 1: do this in your own community, your own schools. So

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Speaker 1: definitely go check out the website. I can't wait to

915
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Speaker 1: hear what y'all think of the book. And we're just

916
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Speaker 1: going to have to have a follow up and talk

917
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Speaker 1: about space some other time. I can't wait. Team lost

918
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Speaker 1: last night, but it was it was a good showing

919
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Speaker 1: at Angel City, so you know, we'll get there.

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Speaker 2: My team's not our team. I'm down here Withrow Night

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Speaker 2: Austin f C. We're not in season down here right now.

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Speaker 1: Well, next time I'm in Austin, I'm gonna come with

923
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Speaker 1: y'all because I really enjoy following along online and I

924
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: love that our love of soccer is helping to take

925
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Speaker 1: over the country.

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Speaker 2: Now. It feels nice. Hey, it's a good reason to

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Speaker 2: do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, thank you so much for joining us today.

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Speaker 1: It's really been a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Might as well thanks everyone for this.

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Speaker 1: Thank you