Speaker 1: Hey guys. I'm Kaylee Shore. I'm a singer songwriter in Nashville, Tennessee,
Speaker 1: and I host a podcast called Too Much to Say,
Speaker 1: which is very aptly titled. I write songs most of
Speaker 1: the time, but I can't keep my feelings to three
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Speaker 1: Here's to Nowhere, Arizona. You don't know how bad I owe.
Speaker 1: You didn't know. Soul of Summer Law to my best
Speaker 1: friends became these songs. Ou stayed up all night. Here's
Speaker 1: the mister le Daggon told me that I never hacking.
Speaker 1: Every time you did me wrong, just put more country
Speaker 1: in the salts out they're getting me by, So I
Speaker 1: do it all again. Everything I had to lose you in.
Speaker 1: Every time I think my worldlighting, it's a far before
Speaker 1: the clown. Broken heart is always my champion, Champion. Here's
Speaker 1: your sacrificing memories. Things I've missed, my best friend's wedding,
Speaker 1: neither my nephew was born, and tears I poured into
Speaker 1: the songsid I paid a prize for this life, and
Speaker 1: I do it all lock again. Everything I had to
Speaker 1: lose to win because every time I stayed my world righting,
Speaker 1: it's the fall before the climb. A broken heart is
Speaker 1: always mine, Champion, Champion, do everything in all you only
Speaker 1: put more coudry and my soul. It's the Bible to come.
Speaker 1: A broken heart is always man. Look at where we are, Champion, Champion, Champion. Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry atte Bark. You just listened to a snippet
Speaker 1: of the song that I wrote with Miranda Lambert called Champion,
Speaker 1: which she originally performed on my podcast Make It Up
Speaker 1: as we Go. Today, I'm going to take you through
Speaker 1: my adventure and cree doing this incredible project and all
Speaker 1: the people who helped me bring it to life. First
Speaker 1: up is award winning songwriter and Nicole Gallon. Nicole was
Speaker 1: the first person that Jared I connected with when we
Speaker 1: were putting this together because we wanted to have a
Speaker 1: real Nashville hitmaker helped shape the musical identity. Here's a
Speaker 1: taste of how things went down when we first started production.
Speaker 1: Oh hi Nicole, Hi Scarlett. You know, this project came
Speaker 1: together way way before we even had scripts. And the
Speaker 1: first thing that you know, Scarlett and I discussed when
Speaker 1: she came back from Nashville with the first batch of songs, was,
Speaker 1: you know, we really want to get the authentic Nashville
Speaker 1: co sign into this thing so that people, you know,
Speaker 1: really understand that, you know, this is a project that
Speaker 1: resonates with the town, and you know, this has a
Speaker 1: writer involved who's written for some big names. And I
Speaker 1: remember the first conversation we had with Sloan. She said,
Speaker 1: you have to talk to Nicole. Nicole And it wasn't
Speaker 1: like talk to these three people, she said, talked to Nicole.
Speaker 1: So you know what would happened behind the scenes there?
Speaker 1: Did slow and give you any heads up that these
Speaker 1: two people would be entering your life? No, IM, you
Speaker 1: guys know this. I think I have a word for
Speaker 1: every year of my life, and it's like my theme
Speaker 1: and my word for last year was Champion, and part
Speaker 1: of that meant just explaining my territory and a lot
Speaker 1: mainly in my career outside of the writing room, just
Speaker 1: to and I didn't know what that looked like, but
Speaker 1: I had shared that with Sloan, and then I just said,
Speaker 1: please share anything that comes across your desk that you
Speaker 1: know I might come to mind on. And there were
Speaker 1: a few things that came up and I was like,
Speaker 1: that isn't genuine or authentic for me, and she sent
Speaker 1: me the deck for this for your project, and truth
Speaker 1: be told, I kind of like marked it as unread
Speaker 1: and it just kind of kept moving down my inbox
Speaker 1: because it was a lot of materials and it was
Speaker 1: I needed some peace and quiet to really look at it.
Speaker 1: And so quite a bit of time went by and
Speaker 1: I didn't really respond I'm sorry, But then something I
Speaker 1: think I was on a trip and I was by
Speaker 1: myself in a hotel room, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go I really knock out some emails
Speaker 1: and I found it again and that's when I got
Speaker 1: on the phone. Was slow, and I was like, let's
Speaker 1: talk about this because I really like this and that,
Speaker 1: and we immediately got on the phone. I remember being
Speaker 1: in that hotel room talking to you on the phone, Jared,
Speaker 1: and I was I was, I'm just so glad that
Speaker 1: I'm not so flighty that or flaky that I didn't
Speaker 1: finish reading that email because it was I remember when
Speaker 1: I read it, I just thought, well, if I'm not
Speaker 1: going to do this, who is this is? So? This
Speaker 1: is so my life already, And it felt like, you know,
Speaker 1: from my end, it felt like kind of like an
Speaker 1: answer to some an invitation for me to champion something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and just like timeline wise, like it's often in this project,
Speaker 1: you know, I would get a call about something and
Speaker 1: immediately called Scarlet. You won't believe it, you know, like
Speaker 1: this crazy thing happened. I was like, this person who's
Speaker 1: written all these like big She's gonna call you and
Speaker 1: talk about the project. And she's like, yeah, I know
Speaker 1: who Nicole is. So I guess Scarlett what happened next?
Speaker 1: So it went from like phone tex she called me
Speaker 1: and then she's like, Okay, I want to speak to
Speaker 1: the person who's actually you know, this is revolving around
Speaker 1: and then you guys connected, We connected, like I was
Speaker 1: actually on my way back from Ohai writing the Taco
Speaker 1: Bell this song, and spoke with Nicole and I was like, honestly,
Speaker 1: Nicole was pretty intimidated to speak with you on the phone,
Speaker 1: and because it was like you probably you know, didn't
Speaker 1: know much of our background, and here we are used
Speaker 1: to like kind of jingle writers in LA, wanting to
Speaker 1: do this whole project, and and so whenever we spoke,
Speaker 1: I just it felt so natural, It felt like a fit.
Speaker 1: It felt like, you know, I think Nashville and like
Speaker 1: one of the great things about Nashville is that it
Speaker 1: likes to keep its traditions and then there's this other
Speaker 1: part of Nashville that is evolving into you know, new
Speaker 1: ways of releasing music, such as this project. And I
Speaker 1: felt like you got it, Like you you knew what
Speaker 1: this was, you knew what to do with it, and
Speaker 1: you knew what you could bring to the table, you know,
Speaker 1: not just as far as your songwriting goes, but as
Speaker 1: far as being that bridge between us, you know, LA
Speaker 1: folks into the Nashville world. And so, I mean, we
Speaker 1: spoke spoke briefly about the project, and it wasn't I
Speaker 1: didn't really want to get too detailed about here's what
Speaker 1: the songs are going to be about, and it was
Speaker 1: we kept it very broad of like Okay, we need
Speaker 1: a song that kind of fits this and kind of
Speaker 1: fits that, and then you know, it just wrote itself
Speaker 1: kind of naturally. In the room, well, in the room
Speaker 1: was kind of I've had two types of experiences with
Speaker 1: these types of like setups, you know, where it's a
Speaker 1: very specific person not just like a casual day of like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're writing today. I've had instances where I've written with
Speaker 1: people like you where the song like didn't have anything
Speaker 1: to do with my world until five years later, or
Speaker 1: you know, knowing, oh my god, we're going in here
Speaker 1: like Navy seals, these work things that must work. So
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of like entering into the room
Speaker 1: that day, I knew that I felt a tremendous amount
Speaker 1: of like pressure to get like lots of stuff done,
Speaker 1: and we ended up focusing really on two things. I mean,
Speaker 1: how is that for both of you? Were you nervous
Speaker 1: that we were gonna Scarlett fly all the way down
Speaker 1: there and maybe leave empty handed? And Nicole, did you
Speaker 1: know you know that these even that we would write
Speaker 1: anything with intention or purpose that day? I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: always I always have like low grade anxiety, like a
Speaker 1: very very low level going into any right, Like I'm
Speaker 1: about to go right with an artist right after this,
Speaker 1: And I wake up every day that I go into
Speaker 1: right and think, what like, I don't know what's going
Speaker 1: to happen, But I have I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think the longer I've done this, more I have.
Speaker 1: I have confidence that what's meant to be will be
Speaker 1: in the room. And I don't know. I didn't I
Speaker 1: didn't feel nervous. I actually have a lot of Look
Speaker 1: with first time collaborations, I think there's something intangible that
Speaker 1: happens when people are a little bit on their heels
Speaker 1: and don't really know, because I think your senses are heightened,
Speaker 1: and therefore I think, UM, I think you just write something.
Speaker 1: A lot of times you create something very special that
Speaker 1: you can't recreate, maybe the fourth or tenth time you
Speaker 1: collaborate with those people. I when I look back on, UM,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of songs for me that are really
Speaker 1: special that we're first time collabse. So going into writing
Speaker 1: with you guys that day, I'm sure I had confidence,
Speaker 1: in some excitement that this could be one of those days,
Speaker 1: and it was yeah, I had absolute confidence because you
Speaker 1: just one song of the year. So I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was confident. I don't know, I was we were
Speaker 1: definitely weren't going to be leaving empty handed. I thank god,
Speaker 1: I've just seen you, like, you know, like when I
Speaker 1: did the acceptance speech and whatnot, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I think we will be fine, like um no, but
Speaker 1: um I didn't. I didn't really know how many songs
Speaker 1: we were gonna come out with. And my worry was
Speaker 1: that we were gonna try to focus on I mean,
Speaker 1: I knew this wasn't gonna happen, but I know in
Speaker 1: the past with some of the like my trips to Nashville,
Speaker 1: it's been I think I've made a mistake where I've
Speaker 1: focused on like quantity of songs to come home with
Speaker 1: over quality. And so that was something I really wanted
Speaker 1: to make sure that you know, didn't happen, which you know,
Speaker 1: like was perfect. I mean, Champion, it was kind of
Speaker 1: like we really let it just breathe and and so
Speaker 1: um you know, and it worked well. We got off
Speaker 1: to a bit of a in a misdirect I could
Speaker 1: see that like the faster song Scarlet, you know, the
Speaker 1: way that You're songs typically roll out are more of
Speaker 1: the finger picking, you know, mid and slow, teable, and
Speaker 1: I could see, you know, I also freaked the hell
Speaker 1: out of people because I come in with all this
Speaker 1: and it was a bit of a circus that day.
Speaker 1: We were like, we're doing the project and Bobby's involved,
Speaker 1: and guess what, Bobby's teams coming by and they've never
Speaker 1: heard of the project, and you know, and by the way,
Speaker 1: we have a video camera and it's it's a lot.
Speaker 1: And I've had that effect on a lot of people
Speaker 1: where I also people in the room go, Jared's doing
Speaker 1: all these things, and then they're also looking to be going,
Speaker 1: what are we actually here for? You know? And then
Speaker 1: I looked over to Scarlett and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I thought working out the sound and really great. And
Speaker 1: she pulled me aside and was like, we need to
Speaker 1: figure out another song because that song is amazing, but
Speaker 1: that's not the song that we came here to. We
Speaker 1: didn't get, you know, we came here to get the
Speaker 1: my Heart Will Go on big, you know, anthemic moment.
Speaker 1: I think that. I mean you asked about confidence or
Speaker 1: going into that day specific feeling that pressure. You guys
Speaker 1: have flown in. We had a few hours in a
Speaker 1: studio at a hotel. You know, it's like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of things. This isn't just like you know, around
Speaker 1: a campfire in someone's backyard and a song falls out
Speaker 1: when it happens, But I, I, it's very helpful for
Speaker 1: me to know that there is a target. And I
Speaker 1: felt like that was, in some ways what was easier.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what writing for a project like this
Speaker 1: would be like, but in some ways it was easier
Speaker 1: because it eliminated a lot of like a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff that we couldn't write about. Yeah, Normally when I
Speaker 1: go into my day job, it's like today I have
Speaker 1: no parameters tempo blow like this lifestyle breakup? Do we
Speaker 1: want to write it's a pitch? Do we want to
Speaker 1: write it for the artist? Like this was so such
Speaker 1: a pointed target that that I had a lot of
Speaker 1: confidence of, like I at least know what we're aiming
Speaker 1: at right of the time. Songwriter, you know, the blue
Speaker 1: collar Nashville songwriters just like just gets up to that
Speaker 1: and swings kind of blindly like I hope we hit something. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: it was it felt it did feel like writing for
Speaker 1: like a sync pitch like a film or TV pitch
Speaker 1: and obviously like um, there was so much more heart
Speaker 1: behind it because you know, created the thing. But well
Speaker 1: and also you you know, the easiest rites for my
Speaker 1: job are when you write with an artist that knows
Speaker 1: who they are. And I think you guys knew what
Speaker 1: the project was, right, So it was very It wasn't
Speaker 1: It really wasn't just like getting up to swing. It
Speaker 1: was like, okay, I like we have a you you
Speaker 1: already had enough of the arc of the storyline, enough
Speaker 1: of the other music to go, Okay, this is what
Speaker 1: we're missing and we're going towards. So that was and
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I wanted out of the process for myself,
Speaker 1: was the challenge of that of getting to be a
Speaker 1: part of writing for something very specific that was new
Speaker 1: to me. Once the fingerpicking started and you know, here's
Speaker 1: the nowhere Zona. I honestly, if you look at the
Speaker 1: camera and the tape of that day, my pressure probably
Speaker 1: drops down to like a normal rate because I was like, oh, here,
Speaker 1: like this is I've seen it, Like now the song started.
Speaker 1: Now it's about coaching more than anything, you know, getting it.
Speaker 1: I was just like counting the minutes to like till
Speaker 1: you would demo it in the booth because I knew that,
Speaker 1: like you know, and I do it all. Like, once
Speaker 1: those melodies were there, I was like, the song's done.
Speaker 1: Now we just have to write it. I truly think
Speaker 1: that once you have a first line and a title
Speaker 1: of a song, you're like halfway there. It's so crazy
Speaker 1: that Champion is like your word of the year because
Speaker 1: like even just like the what happened, even after that
Speaker 1: thing where you know, it's like, oh, these two people
Speaker 1: came in from LA and they're writing, and you know,
Speaker 1: the Winston House sessions and the iHeart stuff that we did,
Speaker 1: like seeing the song like take a life from you
Speaker 1: know song, Whereas we write songs all day to the
Speaker 1: point where I'm sure we can barely remember the ones
Speaker 1: we've done in the last like you know, thirty weeks.
Speaker 1: But it was so cool seeing the specificity of that,
Speaker 1: like writing for a moment, writing with the attention, and
Speaker 1: when you both performed it for the first time working
Speaker 1: out and Champion at Winston House, I was like, it's alive,
Speaker 1: like Frankenstein. I was like, it's real. And then I
Speaker 1: could start seeing what artists would theoretically be in that well.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the craziest thing about songwriting. The magic
Speaker 1: of it in general is you know, you you create
Speaker 1: something that's tangible, that is living and breathing. You walk
Speaker 1: in with nothing, you make it up as you go
Speaker 1: and and truly it's like you have a living, breathing
Speaker 1: thing then. And I think it was so cool with
Speaker 1: this too, because you were really letting them. One of
Speaker 1: my favorite things about it was you were you were
Speaker 1: building a story around the music you had. You had
Speaker 1: your body of work Scarlett that you had already made,
Speaker 1: and you you use that as the muse for the
Speaker 1: whole project, as opposed to usually it's the other way around,
Speaker 1: where you create a story and then people are trying
Speaker 1: to kind of like back back the songs into the project,
Speaker 1: and it was it was really cool how it was
Speaker 1: so music forward. I thought that was because I think
Speaker 1: that's a great songwriting as if you can tell a
Speaker 1: story without actually having to say anything, right, you already
Speaker 1: had that in place with the songs that you had written,
Speaker 1: so thank there was a lot to do with David
Speaker 1: as well. He he heard the music and was like
Speaker 1: I get it, and um, you know, it's those songs
Speaker 1: that I truly never thought anybody you would hear like this,
Speaker 1: like might have I wrote in my bedroom and didn't
Speaker 1: have any plans to do anything with it. But I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what I like about, you know, this project is
Speaker 1: and what I've explained about this project is that these
Speaker 1: songs are characters themselves, and there is so much life
Speaker 1: imitating art your because you know, we talked about keeping
Speaker 1: keeping it authentic to the reality of songwriting in Nashville,
Speaker 1: and that that those songs are characters and they do
Speaker 1: have kind of their own journey from the writing room
Speaker 1: or even like what went on in the songwriter's day
Speaker 1: and then to the writing room and then around town
Speaker 1: and then to the artists and and so you know,
Speaker 1: I think with Champion, it's just it's it's funny because
Speaker 1: it's just as life again, it's just life imitating art
Speaker 1: and that's what we needed. Um Scarlett, at what point
Speaker 1: did you say to yourself, you know what artists? You
Speaker 1: know you thought was going to cut either song, because
Speaker 1: that last part of the journey was kind of incredible
Speaker 1: and Sloan, big shout out to Sloan was a huge
Speaker 1: part of you know, helping us reign in that like
Speaker 1: casting process, I knew I wanted, like immediately in the room,
Speaker 1: I wanted Miranda. Um this song to me reminded me
Speaker 1: of that built me and then it just it just
Speaker 1: felt like Miranda, That's who I wanted. But I didn't.
Speaker 1: I certainly didn't think that no offense to our project,
Speaker 1: but I just thought it was just a long shot,
Speaker 1: you know, and that that's who That's just who I
Speaker 1: wanted for it, and I just I still can't believe
Speaker 1: that like all played out, and again that's what thanks
Speaker 1: to Nicole and Sloan. But this the word champion is
Speaker 1: just so fitting to this project because there's so many
Speaker 1: you know, even new Nicole like and Miranda and all
Speaker 1: the talent attached to this. They could have easily said,
Speaker 1: you know, podcasts, no thanks. And I think that this
Speaker 1: there's been so many champions a part of this project
Speaker 1: and it wouldn't have happened without all of those people,
Speaker 1: and especially Miranda. So that's who I've wanted from it.
Speaker 1: I think we talks about that in the room too. Nicole,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean it, and I, you know, I
Speaker 1: was probably of the same mindset of like of course,
Speaker 1: Miranda's the O. It was such a it was such
Speaker 1: an obvious choice creatively for the song. It just made
Speaker 1: sense creatively, but also, um, I personally, that's my story
Speaker 1: is my first two hits on radio were with Miranda
Speaker 1: and her like she really speaking of life imitator art
Speaker 1: imitating life, you know, I mean it was it truly
Speaker 1: very woven together all of this for me, and that
Speaker 1: was I didn't want to make it about me, but
Speaker 1: in the back of my mind, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: that would feel so special if this could kind of
Speaker 1: be recreated again and told in a way to where
Speaker 1: people could really understand how this works and how it
Speaker 1: can change a songwriter's life like mine when an artist
Speaker 1: does come along and championship song, because it's not just
Speaker 1: about that song. When an artist like Miranda or Lindsay
Speaker 1: l or are any huge artist comes along and they
Speaker 1: they cut your song, you know, just get the cut,
Speaker 1: You get the validation, and the whole town and community
Speaker 1: sees that that artist is signed off on you as
Speaker 1: a writer and your your creations, and it really just
Speaker 1: opens so many more doors. And I'm sure it is
Speaker 1: for you right now, you know, Scarlett, even with other
Speaker 1: things you're like, you don't need to the artist cutting
Speaker 1: your song kind of does the talk. You don't have
Speaker 1: to talk about it anymore. You can just show the
Speaker 1: world like this is she's six months away from from
Speaker 1: not returning our phone calls. Yeah, Jared, but answer well,
Speaker 1: to be honest, like the whole thing, the payoff of
Speaker 1: the narrative is so like layered, and that's the specificity
Speaker 1: of it's about the writers of Nashville this show and
Speaker 1: you know, to actually in real life, Scarlett get the
Speaker 1: call that you got. You know, I don't know why
Speaker 1: people call me first, and I got the call about
Speaker 1: Miran and I'm like, now I gotta deliver this like
Speaker 1: life changing news to Scarlett. She's not going to believe me.
Speaker 1: I need to callll to other people to make sure
Speaker 1: it's true. But like, you know, when we found out
Speaker 1: that Miranda was cutting it, even I like, look, I've
Speaker 1: gotten to work with a ton of people. That feeling
Speaker 1: never goes away because it also validates the work that
Speaker 1: you put in to get to that point. You're like, Wow,
Speaker 1: somebody actually likes something I did. And not only that,
Speaker 1: but Scarlett, the you know, your introduction to the town
Speaker 1: is some incredible names. It's like Tyler rich alone is great,
Speaker 1: Lindsay All alone is great, you know, Miranda incredible. That's
Speaker 1: the home run. And then the icing on the cake
Speaker 1: is now you're working with another one of Nicole's artists,
Speaker 1: you know, Hayley Witter is just as like an extra
Speaker 1: bonus to end twenty twenty. Talk about that for a second.
Speaker 1: It's just I feel like this year I've had my
Speaker 1: head down and focused on work, and then it's kind
Speaker 1: of I feel like right now I'm kind of like
Speaker 1: taking the blinders off and seeing it all from the
Speaker 1: you know, thousand foot view. And that's just I mean,
Speaker 1: us being able to make this project this year, whenever
Speaker 1: everything was so uncertain. You know, this has been so
Speaker 1: rewarding and so fulfilling, and you know, being in like
Speaker 1: the pandemic and you know, I lived by myself, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know what I would have done without having
Speaker 1: this project. And as far as you know, working with
Speaker 1: these amazing artists and you guys, it just it just
Speaker 1: feels like we did the work and it just fell
Speaker 1: kind of into place naturally. So oh no, my dog's
Speaker 1: gonna go next, Okay, But but um yeah, it's even
Speaker 1: with like the Christmas song with Haley that was one
Speaker 1: As as as we were writing it, Jared, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this would be perfect for Haley. It's be perfect for her,
Speaker 1: and I've been following her career and her music and
Speaker 1: then of course you know the songs. The song that
Speaker 1: you wrote with her, Heartland is on repeat in my house,
Speaker 1: and so it's just sort of like, I feel like
Speaker 1: you kind of what I like about this project the
Speaker 1: most is that it shows the relationship between artists and
Speaker 1: songwriter and what that looks like and how he's not
Speaker 1: bothering us. No. It makes it just say in the
Speaker 1: more country yeah, brands, Charlie Stop, Okay's huge. No. Um,
Speaker 1: I think he's done Charlie Stop anyway. So No, I
Speaker 1: think that like there's just it just you hear the
Speaker 1: artist in the in the song once you start writing
Speaker 1: it in that first verse, and it's like, I just
Speaker 1: I just can't. We've just been so lucky actually attaching
Speaker 1: those artists so well. Um, So you know, I know
Speaker 1: that we are coming to the end of this conversation,
Speaker 1: But Scarlett and Nicole season two, what what what's going
Speaker 1: to happen? Um? Scarlett, you go first, Who's getting pregnant
Speaker 1: in my career, just keeping more songs. We I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I kind of feel like I'm it's
Speaker 1: weird because I kind of feel like I'm living like
Speaker 1: what Season two might hopefully move. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: want to get pregnant, but m Charlie stop um. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just don't know. I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: kind of living that out right now and wanting to
Speaker 1: again the authenticity. I'm sure Nicole, you and I will
Speaker 1: have a lot of conversations coming up discussing, you know
Speaker 1: what season two looks like, because at this point in
Speaker 1: my career, I can't tell you. I don't know what
Speaker 1: that looks like just yet. I've heard art. Well, sometimes
Speaker 1: you have to quit writing. I always say, like, sometimes
Speaker 1: you have to take time off to writing to go
Speaker 1: live so you have something to write about. And it's
Speaker 1: that's probably the same and with with the podcast too,
Speaker 1: like you you or you and your life have been
Speaker 1: the music for the music and the story for this,
Speaker 1: so you need to go You're living it right now
Speaker 1: and I think that's so cool. Yeah, writing in are
Speaker 1: we writing in the pandemic? I mean, but Rymes COVID.
Speaker 1: You know, probably, I mean it would be again it's
Speaker 1: like going back to that authenticity. Yeah, I think some
Speaker 1: of that in season two, you know, I mean, artists
Speaker 1: have been unfortunately, you know, they've all been so impacted
Speaker 1: by it and really have really had to get creative
Speaker 1: with releasing their music. And um, yeah, maybe that's been
Speaker 1: the most exciting part about this is that we never
Speaker 1: could have predicted that this would have been a dynamic
Speaker 1: way that people could put up music in a year
Speaker 1: like Scarlet. You know, Um, you know, you've managed to
Speaker 1: you know, I know that you're very humble about it,
Speaker 1: but you've managed to break through in a town it's
Speaker 1: very hard to break through. And um, as Nicole will
Speaker 1: tell you, and you know, I sort of sneak my
Speaker 1: way into Nashville every now and then, but I'm not
Speaker 1: really part of that world. But you know, you you
Speaker 1: really you know, by writing your own story, which is
Speaker 1: you know, kind of how a lot of these outlier talents,
Speaker 1: like the Billy Bob Thornton's of the world, the you know,
Speaker 1: Stapletons of the world, they're there and then they become
Speaker 1: there in a new way, like you were already on
Speaker 1: a path and being successful as a commercial writer. But
Speaker 1: I just think that this is such an incredible example
Speaker 1: of creating your own story, creating a new dynamic way
Speaker 1: that people discover stuff. And I'm just happy that I
Speaker 1: got I'm like Ringo star, I'm just happy that I
Speaker 1: got to go along for the ride is incredible. And
Speaker 1: you know, seeing this all come to life from the
Speaker 1: writing room there as a tourist and someone who is
Speaker 1: involved in producing it. I you know, congrats on the
Speaker 1: amazing year both of you, and let's let's do it
Speaker 1: again in twenty one without any of the global pandemics
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Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Around the
Speaker 1: time that we wrote Champion and working out with Nicole Gallian,
Speaker 1: Jared and I had begun our casting process, so he
Speaker 1: and I spoke to his partner at Audio, Dennis Quaid.
Speaker 1: Dennis played a huge part in getting Billy Thorton on board,
Speaker 1: which in turn helped us get Miranda Lambert to join
Speaker 1: the cast, as they're big fans of each other and production.
Speaker 1: It's it's like putting together a puzzle and can prove
Speaker 1: to be tricky Dennis, though he helps immensely. Here's a
Speaker 1: quick conversation with Dennis himself, my podfather as I like
Speaker 1: to call him, That explains how productions started before COVID
Speaker 1: nineteen and ended in the middle of it. We were
Speaker 1: working in a world where we did not have a
Speaker 1: luxury of being in a room together, so we had
Speaker 1: to do this um just over zoom technology. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: it's uh gosh, it's so kind of hard for me
Speaker 1: to remember when I first heard about make it Up
Speaker 1: as we Go. You and I met through Jared. I
Speaker 1: remember being a viper room when you sang and I
Speaker 1: think that's when we were when we were talking about it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was kind of like a makeup as we go moment.
Speaker 1: In fact, we're gonna set all the curb, all three
Speaker 1: of us and you know, you were having one of
Speaker 1: those moments like when you call your dad for right
Speaker 1: with my life. Yeah yeah, and uh yeah, you and
Speaker 1: Jared banked me out of the viper room and you
Speaker 1: y'all sat me down on that curb and had a
Speaker 1: real pep talk with me. Yeah, we all need every
Speaker 1: once in a while, we all need pep talk. The
Speaker 1: parking lot the viper room was a moment I'll never forget.
Speaker 1: But anyway, we had just set up Audio Up and
Speaker 1: we were we were in Pandemicville I think at that time, right,
Speaker 1: and so we didn't have a place. We couldn't get
Speaker 1: an office because nobody was leasing offices or whatever. So
Speaker 1: we came over. We made my house the office and
Speaker 1: recording studio and everything for a couple of weeks. It
Speaker 1: still like, you know, it was a startup company. And
Speaker 1: so but now from where you guys started, from the
Speaker 1: beginning of the year to the end of the year,
Speaker 1: Audio Up as my production partner on this project. It's
Speaker 1: so weird to ever think of y'all as a startup
Speaker 1: and it was. It wasn't It was almost twelve months
Speaker 1: ago and when we were at your house, it was
Speaker 1: the idea of this project was. I wanted it to
Speaker 1: be a set where we mike the rooms, we mike talent,
Speaker 1: and that way you can feel and hear like every
Speaker 1: part of the room. And you know, it was just
Speaker 1: as in all the ambience sound that goes well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which cracious enough to letus do at your house, but
Speaker 1: I mean, what was it like having a like a
Speaker 1: question in your health. It work out so well actually
Speaker 1: because refrigerators of people's eating habits, flooring, the dogs, the
Speaker 1: kids and every every day. Also, it was like twenty
Speaker 1: five people in this room, so it was a good
Speaker 1: prompter for everybody for us to get the new audio
Speaker 1: audio chateau that we got. That was great being here
Speaker 1: in this room. We were all like shoulder to shoulder
Speaker 1: in here on the couches and you know, reading it
Speaker 1: live and basically doing it live, right, which is also
Speaker 1: before we were just to be you know, clear, we were.
Speaker 1: It was before we knew how that you know, it
Speaker 1: was before the shutdown or anything like that, so you're
Speaker 1: still being you know, that wasn't before the shutdown the shutdown,
Speaker 1: that's right. It wasn't before the shutdown, But we hadn't
Speaker 1: launched audio up yet. Okay, thank you, thank you for that,
Speaker 1: senior moment corrected. So we've been this whole year has
Speaker 1: been a blur. But uh, yeah, that was. That was
Speaker 1: fun being in here and uh and do I buy?
Speaker 1: And it was there was a whole musical element on
Speaker 1: our set, which I can't wait for this to go
Speaker 1: into TV development because all of our talent, you know,
Speaker 1: yourself included, are all incredible musicians. So when we would
Speaker 1: stop and take a break, somebody would pick up a
Speaker 1: guitar and start playing something, and then another actor like
Speaker 1: Rob May's would pick up a guitar and there would
Speaker 1: just be this impromptu jam session between Well I got
Speaker 1: enough of them in here, you know, and we definitely
Speaker 1: used your guitars. Yeah, and but but it was just
Speaker 1: such a just the vibe. I'm so glad we were
Speaker 1: able to have that experience before the shutdown. But well,
Speaker 1: I say, what's really big great for me is watching
Speaker 1: you uh grow into this and watching this coming you know,
Speaker 1: coming out of you and you know this is this
Speaker 1: uh you know you you really are and when you're
Speaker 1: playing a character, but you really are playing yourself in
Speaker 1: a way, and you did such a great job on it,
Speaker 1: you know, totally believable character. And it was like watching
Speaker 1: metamorphosis go on go on, you know, coming out of
Speaker 1: the butterfly, coming out of coming out a builder. Really
Speaker 1: was you know just what just watch you grow as
Speaker 1: an artist and really grow into this thing. And I'm
Speaker 1: really proud of it. I'm really proud of what we did. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know for Audio Up as a whole. This is
Speaker 1: our first real scripted thing as a company to come out.
Speaker 1: And the people that, you know, just made my jaw dropped.
Speaker 1: The people that we were able to get involved in
Speaker 1: this thing. And the thing random Bobby Bones, who your
Speaker 1: friends I know you're friends with and I had met
Speaker 1: him with you prior. I don't know if you had
Speaker 1: remembered that or not. Yeah, but you know what was
Speaker 1: that phone call like whenever you called Billy Ballman said hey,
Speaker 1: he doesn't need a podcast. He doesn't need to do that.
Speaker 1: So I know, why don't know about that? Is too,
Speaker 1: you know when like, uh, you know people call you
Speaker 1: to do a podcast like yeah, but I have to
Speaker 1: go clean. Bob was really great about it because he
Speaker 1: was really interested, you know, what we were doing. It's
Speaker 1: once people realize what Audio up is doing and how
Speaker 1: it's so uh music focused and at the same time,
Speaker 1: you know, like the old idea of radio play coming around.
Speaker 1: It's the movie for your ears and uh yeah, I
Speaker 1: think everybody picked up on the idea of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Billy Bob also wanted his script, which we're gonna
Speaker 1: do on Floyd on the Speer really good. That's great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to a scripts in the drawer that we're gonna do. Well.
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I can't I mean, I can't
Speaker 1: tell you how intimidated I was sitting there with you
Speaker 1: and Billy Bob on Zoom, having gone from like two
Speaker 1: years ago I was like a crunch dancer and a
Speaker 1: KFC commercial to working with you and Billy Bob Hotel
Speaker 1: giving you guys any direction. I felt like I was
Speaker 1: completely out of my element. But boy, he was right.
Speaker 1: He was really open joy Wedney, Oh yeah, absolutely about it.
Speaker 1: I just you know, it just turns into you know,
Speaker 1: he's such a great guy. And uh, I think we
Speaker 1: were doing that when the COVID when it was COVID right, right,
Speaker 1: so it a lot easier for him to just to
Speaker 1: be at home, right. Just dropped a mike. I think
Speaker 1: somebody dropped a mic off to his house. Yeah, and yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was, you know, it's amazing how we you know,
Speaker 1: I thought, oh my gosh, we're gonna we're gonna shut
Speaker 1: down production. We'll just have to stop. And you know,
Speaker 1: with the way that Jared is as you know, it was,
Speaker 1: there's no should in his vocabulary, and it's just let's
Speaker 1: we're gonna figure it. Oh, we're gonna keep moving forward.
Speaker 1: And so next thing we know, we're dropping microphones all
Speaker 1: over the country for this and shipping them around and
Speaker 1: you know, with the hand sanitizer and everything. So I'm
Speaker 1: just you know, I'm gonna be more happy, gonna be
Speaker 1: more proud and grateful to like the cast and you
Speaker 1: for just like rolling with the punches that came with production.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like our our session went pretty
Speaker 1: smoothly when we recorded our lines and everything. But um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I just it's so it's so wild seeing
Speaker 1: everyone that's involved. But have you ever met Miranda before
Speaker 1: a better backstage? Uh? Just briefly, you know, when I
Speaker 1: was with Tanya, Oh right, a couple of those Awards
Speaker 1: glitter shows. Yeah, she seems really nice, but must have
Speaker 1: been really something for you. How did what was that
Speaker 1: first session like for you. I first found out that
Speaker 1: she was going to do this, I was actually at
Speaker 1: your house and Peaches, your dog, was chewing on a
Speaker 1: water bottle underneath the trampoline, and Jared, it was like,
Speaker 1: Miranda's in she's gonna do it, and she's gonna do
Speaker 1: the song. And I think I just like burst into
Speaker 1: tears under your trampoline because I was getting the water
Speaker 1: bottle on Peaches. That's the reality of what the story
Speaker 1: about with your dog under the trampoline. Whenever found out
Speaker 1: and it was like, I mean, it was just I
Speaker 1: just I don't know, I got so emotional over it.
Speaker 1: How do you feel, like what on the on the
Speaker 1: first sessions with all that, I mean, hearing it, it's
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't you know it? It was so
Speaker 1: fitting and she I knew she was perfect for this,
Speaker 1: and I knew if she just if she just even
Speaker 1: as a chance, and if she just knew the story,
Speaker 1: and which she knows that story, She's lived that story
Speaker 1: where that's her. Yeah, she saw herself, she saw herself
Speaker 1: and you yeah, absolutely so. I think there was so
Speaker 1: much hope there and I had her in mind from
Speaker 1: day one when Nicole and I were writing Champion, and
Speaker 1: so yes, it was overwhelming and incredibly exciting, but I
Speaker 1: also it just felt so right, you know. So um,
Speaker 1: I had cried my happy tears, and then we went
Speaker 1: back into the room that you're in now and we
Speaker 1: just got back to work. And yeah, you know, it's
Speaker 1: very important to get to a place where you feel
Speaker 1: like you belong. You know, you belong to you, you
Speaker 1: deserve to be there, you know what I mean? Right,
Speaker 1: I go through that my whatever, like first days of
Speaker 1: any any movie that I go on, and go, I
Speaker 1: don't deserve to be so of all to get over
Speaker 1: that and uh just kind of get gelled and you know,
Speaker 1: figure out that you know, people are people and uh
Speaker 1: and uh, because it's I think it's really important to
Speaker 1: enjoy the ride, which and it's just it's been so
Speaker 1: great to watch you enjoy this ride, which thank you,
Speaker 1: which which production aside from making up as we go?
Speaker 1: Did you feel that? Oh? I feel that every time
Speaker 1: we would start my first day. But I don't that
Speaker 1: kind of imposter syndrome. Yeah, yeah, an imposter that you know.
Speaker 1: So I remember as a kid, you know, I was
Speaker 1: like I did a movie. I played Barber. Uh. But
Speaker 1: the Gene Hackman was my dad, and Barbara Streisan was
Speaker 1: played my lover, and I was like I was his son,
Speaker 1: I was Jee's son. That was that was really intimidating.
Speaker 1: You know, they just turned out to be great people
Speaker 1: right there there. You know, you have them up on
Speaker 1: these pedestals because you, yeah, check their work and then
Speaker 1: getting to work with you know, even like I feel
Speaker 1: like working with you and Billy, Bob and and the
Speaker 1: rest of our cast, like it's just been the best
Speaker 1: acting class of my life. I mean seeing how everyone,
Speaker 1: like you've taught me a lot, you know, working through
Speaker 1: the scenes, and you had this great analogy of like
Speaker 1: it's almost like you have to keep the ball up
Speaker 1: in the air, like you're keeping a you're tossing a
Speaker 1: ball around and you can't let it drop, like you've
Speaker 1: got to keep the energy up. And that was like
Speaker 1: once you explained when you when you were talking about
Speaker 1: that in a scene, it just clicked like and I
Speaker 1: feel like saying that, but that sounds right. You had
Speaker 1: you had a moment um, But no, I felt that
Speaker 1: way because you I You and I had met on
Speaker 1: the set of your show Vegas and I was an
Speaker 1: extra and I was talking like a cigarette tray because
Speaker 1: it was a period piece, so I was, what forty fifties.
Speaker 1: I think there was Night teen sixty one or something. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a lot of fun anything. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's funny how things come around, you know,
Speaker 1: and you're able to put all your acting experience and
Speaker 1: all your music experience and put them together, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know that's all that wondering you were why you
Speaker 1: were doing that fact, then it's finally making sense to you.
Speaker 1: I guess right, I think so it was. I was
Speaker 1: so tempted. I never told you this, but when we
Speaker 1: were on your set, my god daughter at the time,
Speaker 1: I mean she was at the time, maybe like in
Speaker 1: second grade, and they were doing the school project where
Speaker 1: they have to they send this like paper cutout character
Speaker 1: to a relative that's far away, and it's called flat
Speaker 1: like flat Stanley, Flat Stanley. Yeah, yeah, that's anything. So
Speaker 1: I had flat Stanley and on your set, and I
Speaker 1: was so tempted to ask you to take a picture
Speaker 1: with flat Stanley. I was trying to be cool. I've
Speaker 1: done that for all of my kids. I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: a sucker for a flat stay like yeah, well we ended.
Speaker 1: I took a photo of Flat Stanley outside like one
Speaker 1: of the trailers on set anyway. Um, but yeah, working
Speaker 1: with you and Billy Bob, you know, I definitely had
Speaker 1: that imposter moment where I was like, something's wrong, like
Speaker 1: they think I'm somebody else. But I just can't thank
Speaker 1: you enough for being a part of this. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: really I was so glad to be a part of
Speaker 1: it and just really looking forward to see where it
Speaker 1: goes from here, which is going to be exciting. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. I think it's only up from here. And um,
Speaker 1: you know, we wouldn't have had the success that we've
Speaker 1: had without people such as yourself and Billy Bob and
Speaker 1: Miranda and I just I can't thank you enough for
Speaker 1: working with me and taking a chance for me. Thank you, Sar,
Speaker 1: and you did such a great job and we all
Speaker 1: have something to be proud of, I believe. I agree.
Speaker 1: I agree, Well, thanks for doing this and you're beat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I will talk to you soon, Okay, make it
Speaker 1: up as you go. We go, that's right. Are you
Speaker 1: gonna be a huge piece of this project? Is the
Speaker 1: Bobby Bones, who was one of the best known media
Speaker 1: personalities and producers in the music world, has had number
Speaker 1: one best selling books. Um. But Bobby was kind enough
Speaker 1: to sit down with us and talk about why he
Speaker 1: got involved in this project and how this story resonated
Speaker 1: with him. Hey, Bobby high school, Like good to see you,
Speaker 1: Good to see you too. Um, So it's it's it's
Speaker 1: good to see you again after like wrapping the show
Speaker 1: and everything, and I just can't thank you enough for
Speaker 1: being a part of it. But I guess my first
Speaker 1: question for you, as and nobody in Nashville when before
Speaker 1: this project developed, like what what brought you into this
Speaker 1: and what made you? I mean, I know what happened
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, but what in your gut made you
Speaker 1: want to do this project or how did this happen?
Speaker 1: Why are we well? I felt like it was just
Speaker 1: as much as it was a fictional story, it really
Speaker 1: wasn't you know. I mean, it was a fictional story
Speaker 1: that we told, but it was really the story of
Speaker 1: so many people, so many strong women singer songwriter artists
Speaker 1: and kind of the saga that they go through. And
Speaker 1: you know, for me, I've I've tried to champion that
Speaker 1: as much as I can on the radio and touring um,
Speaker 1: and so I felt like this was another avenue because
Speaker 1: not only was it super entertaining, and you know, we
Speaker 1: were doing something that not a lot of folks that
Speaker 1: even tried, especially with the music part of and releasing music,
Speaker 1: but you know, I just felt like that it was
Speaker 1: really good and so all that together for me, it
Speaker 1: was kind of a no brainer to not only be
Speaker 1: on it and use my voice a little bit like
Speaker 1: because I'm on the podcast, but also to promote it
Speaker 1: and you know, to be a part of it. So
Speaker 1: I'm very proud of it. I mean, you did such
Speaker 1: a great job. How do you feel now that you
Speaker 1: know the season is over and a lot of people
Speaker 1: have consumed it and shre like, what is your feeling?
Speaker 1: M I'm not gonna let you turn this around, Bobby.
Speaker 1: I know this is your this is what you do.
Speaker 1: But I guess I'll quickly answer it. I've just Um,
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of it. I'm so proud of what
Speaker 1: we've created, and every person involved is just so incredibly
Speaker 1: talented in their own way, and like, um, I knew
Speaker 1: we had something great whenever I read the script, and
Speaker 1: I think just the way that David Hudgens writes, I
Speaker 1: think it spoke to a lot of our talent involved,
Speaker 1: including Miranda, because they he had that you know, he
Speaker 1: wrote Friday Night Lights and that tells the story of
Speaker 1: Friday Night Football, and I think he kind of like
Speaker 1: sit all stories that aren't so um commercial, like the
Speaker 1: songwriter behind the hit song or the Friday night football game,
Speaker 1: not the NFL football player. You know. So I think, Um,
Speaker 1: I'm just so proud of it and ready for season two. Well,
Speaker 1: let me ask you one other thing. Was there anybody
Speaker 1: that you worked with that you were like, Wow, this
Speaker 1: is really cool like it to actually worked with this person.
Speaker 1: Um that I'm not. It's not like there's a blank there.
Speaker 1: There's several people that I'm thinking of, including yourself obviously Miranda.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's just so full circle because like
Speaker 1: I was learning her songs on you know, guitar whenever
Speaker 1: I like like, um, I mean, and then and then
Speaker 1: we put that into one of the lyrics about how like,
Speaker 1: you know, your songs kind of keep you company if
Speaker 1: you're in a new place or if you're by yourself.
Speaker 1: And so she in her own way like her music
Speaker 1: music like kept me company. Whenever I was like in
Speaker 1: a new city. So for her to come to cut
Speaker 1: that song when that's what that song is about, just
Speaker 1: blew me away. But um, do you think that there's like, um,
Speaker 1: I like this year in country radio country music, like
Speaker 1: who do you feel like are some standout female acts
Speaker 1: because I know you're like such a force behind those voices,
Speaker 1: and like, like, who's who's a standout country honest this
Speaker 1: year aside from me, aside from you, you know you
Speaker 1: always have and I'll just talk about you know, the
Speaker 1: strong women. Trust me, guys are getting enough enough accolades.
Speaker 1: Um obviously Mirandon carry right like they are just dominating
Speaker 1: year after a year. But when you look at someone
Speaker 1: who's climbing up there with him as Marion Morris and
Speaker 1: quickly a quick ascent up and then you get down
Speaker 1: into you know, the real the newcomers who are starting
Speaker 1: to you know, make that first splash and maybe they
Speaker 1: don't have big radio hits yet, but you know, Maren
Speaker 1: put out a whole ep before she had a hit
Speaker 1: on the radio, and so you can see some folks
Speaker 1: doing that now. You know. Cassie Ashton is somebody who
Speaker 1: I've known for a few years. And I'm just like, man,
Speaker 1: she is one song away from not just having a hit,
Speaker 1: but from being a superstar because she's such an artist. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, you talk about new artists too. There's an
Speaker 1: Australian girl named Nikita Carmen who is just she's just
Speaker 1: so different like she you know, she's not in your face,
Speaker 1: she's not a big loud singer, um, but there's a
Speaker 1: real preciousness to her, her tone, to how she writes.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, to to really make it,
Speaker 1: you got to be different, um. And you know, I
Speaker 1: think that just whenever you look at the landscape of
Speaker 1: what's happened in a weird year. You know, a lot
Speaker 1: of friends to put out in music in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: and it's just like, well, it kind of existed, but
Speaker 1: we were so focused on the news and so focused
Speaker 1: on you know, being locked in our houses and rightfully
Speaker 1: so right a lot of stuff got glossed over. So
Speaker 1: it's a weird a year to to have to look
Speaker 1: back and judge. But some people really performed fantastically in
Speaker 1: Marin Carrie, Miranda, you know, Cassie, Nikita there who come
Speaker 1: to mind right now? Right, yeah, I am I feel
Speaker 1: like there was that what we missed this year was
Speaker 1: if you're a newer, up and coming artist, you missed
Speaker 1: that opportunity to connect with your audience or a new audience.
Speaker 1: And I can't remember how I was having this conversation
Speaker 1: with the other day, but it was about how this
Speaker 1: project in a way created a connection between the music
Speaker 1: and the listener and like a new audience in a way.
Speaker 1: So even though we didn't have a live performance aspect
Speaker 1: of it, we kind of created this different way of
Speaker 1: of you know, reaching a a listener um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the story of Scarlett, you know, and make it up
Speaker 1: and I look at the parallels with other artists and
Speaker 1: she's a little she's a lot more as a songwriter now,
Speaker 1: but I just see like a Caitlin Smith who comes
Speaker 1: to my mind, who is such a great songwriter and
Speaker 1: just but has such a distinct voice as well. And
Speaker 1: just talking about the records we're talking about. She put
Speaker 1: out a fantastic record in twenty twenty and it I
Speaker 1: believe it came out of March or April, but again
Speaker 1: that was right when our world was changing, and you know,
Speaker 1: then she put out a bonus, you know, the deluxe
Speaker 1: version with you know, I put a whole dominion on
Speaker 1: it's fantastic, But you know, I think they've done wonderfully.
Speaker 1: I think that there are a lot of artists, and
Speaker 1: I hope people will recommend the podcast of their friends too.
Speaker 1: You know, I think word of mouth is such an
Speaker 1: important part of the growth of any creative endeavor. Sure,
Speaker 1: I can talk about it on my show, and you know,
Speaker 1: but when your friend recommends something to you check you
Speaker 1: check it out. Like on Netflix, if somebody was like, hey,
Speaker 1: you gotta check out the Queen's Gambit, which they did,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have checked it out unless somebody I trusted. Right,
Speaker 1: Hopefully people are listening to us talk well, we'll actually
Speaker 1: recommend this to one of their friends. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: I was a little nervous um of you know, how
Speaker 1: Nashville and the country radio or country music scene would
Speaker 1: accept this project and what the response would be. And
Speaker 1: so I feel like we've just had such an incredible
Speaker 1: response and everybody's ready for a season two and wanting
Speaker 1: to know what happens to Well, I don't say anything
Speaker 1: in case anybody watching has it listened to the last episode,
Speaker 1: But but that said, do you feel like I mean,
Speaker 1: do you see more artists wanting to use podcasting as
Speaker 1: a way of releasing new music after something like COVID
Speaker 1: has happened. You know, I think that it takes something
Speaker 1: to be a success to make everybody go oh, I'd
Speaker 1: also like that success, right, And I think with you know,
Speaker 1: Miranda putting out such a great song, I think with
Speaker 1: the podcast doing so well, any people would be would
Speaker 1: be crazy not to look at these non traditional ways
Speaker 1: to promote themselves or their amused. They would be crazy,
Speaker 1: not too um. But again, it takes someone with a
Speaker 1: little bit of foresight to identify that this could be
Speaker 1: a tool that would you know, be effective for them.
Speaker 1: And I credit a man, credit Miranda. I credit yourself
Speaker 1: to seeing that that it's actually worth the time. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've got a whole podcast network. I've got an eleven
Speaker 1: podcasts on my network of all these different shows, and
Speaker 1: I see the power of podcasts, and I see that
Speaker 1: just because it's not on, you know, a radio station,
Speaker 1: some of the podcasts that are on my network are
Speaker 1: as big as radio stations. Just for the podcast there
Speaker 1: are there are numbers, and all we're competing for now
Speaker 1: are people's eyes and ears. And however, you get them
Speaker 1: is getting them, So I hope so, But what's gonna
Speaker 1: happen is this podcast is a success, there'll be some more.
Speaker 1: But then everybody's gonna want to do it, and then
Speaker 1: you're gonna have everybody release some musical podcasts and this
Speaker 1: is gonna be But so I would hope that they
Speaker 1: get in on it while it's still, you know, a
Speaker 1: pretty new thing. Well, hopefully those artists will come our
Speaker 1: way and be a part of season two. So tell
Speaker 1: me about like the impact of Miranda on country like
Speaker 1: this and is this your first time working with her
Speaker 1: as a producer or what's yeah as a producer. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean her impact on countries. First of all, she's
Speaker 1: as biggest superstar as a country music cast. That being said,
Speaker 1: she she's been able to do the thing of you know,
Speaker 1: she went a few years without a big hit but
Speaker 1: was still able to have massive success because hit single hits,
Speaker 1: that's not all the matters, right. You know, she did
Speaker 1: a double record that was so good and such a
Speaker 1: piece of art that it didn't really have a radio
Speaker 1: song on it, but it wasn't really supposed to, right,
Speaker 1: you know, when everyone's like, man, it's been five years
Speaker 1: since Miranda's had a hit. I'm like, yeah, but no
Speaker 1: one has put out a record like that or with
Speaker 1: that success. So you know, Miranda's always being the yang
Speaker 1: to a lot of folks see um, you know when
Speaker 1: they zig she's aggs and she continued to do that
Speaker 1: and maintain being able to maintain the megaforce that she is.
Speaker 1: So just to work with Randy and I know we're
Speaker 1: a bit as well, and she's just fantastic and you know,
Speaker 1: as I would say, even nicer away from a microphone
Speaker 1: or a guitar as she is on Um, She's just
Speaker 1: a really good person. And I think that's what I'm
Speaker 1: mostly a fan of. Absolutely. I mean, she's her career
Speaker 1: is is um. You know, it's really been something to
Speaker 1: follow it and I kind of feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: she related to the story of Charlotte Seals leaving leaving Texas.
Speaker 1: But um, but okay, all that said, I have one
Speaker 1: last question for you. All right, as you know we're
Speaker 1: you know, having the conversations of developing it into a
Speaker 1: TV series, who do you see playing Bobby Bones? Well,
Speaker 1: hopefully not me. I have too much then you'd have
Speaker 1: to audition. I have too many jobs. If here's the thing,
Speaker 1: it doesn't It would be amazing. However, if I have
Speaker 1: to go and audition and try to get the job,
Speaker 1: that means my other shows aren't working and they failed.
Speaker 1: So now the character's name is gonna be Bobby Bones.
Speaker 1: So you'll just be auditioning. We'll see how well you
Speaker 1: can act as yourself. You know, I would maybe like
Speaker 1: a what was who's the guy from Gossip Girl? Adam
Speaker 1: Brody says, yeah, I can see that, but yeah, like
Speaker 1: put some glasses on it. He's better looking than night
Speaker 1: and we always want someone, you know, to play a
Speaker 1: better looking version of you, So I would definitely try
Speaker 1: to take it up a notch. So you know, I
Speaker 1: think or the guy that plays Dexter is a little
Speaker 1: older than me, but he kind of has the same
Speaker 1: look that I do. Yeah, you guys do. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't think about that before. We all do have like
Speaker 1: similar features. So one of those two guys probably, if
Speaker 1: not those two Denzel, I know. I'm sure Jared is
Speaker 1: is noting all of this for our past wish lists,
Speaker 1: but it'll be an easy one to get. He's always
Speaker 1: wanted to play me, so he's probably just waiting for
Speaker 1: that call. Oh, buy a phone. Yeah, yeah, maybe we
Speaker 1: should just go ahead and make that call. Now, we'll
Speaker 1: do it on your show. Give me a number, I'll
Speaker 1: call them. Well, listen, let me say to you, congratulations.
Speaker 1: You just did such a fantastic job. I know that
Speaker 1: anytime you approach something new artistically, there's always risk, there's
Speaker 1: always nerves, and there's always that moment when it goes
Speaker 1: out to folks. You know what's happened with me with
Speaker 1: books and radio shows and even new comedy material. But
Speaker 1: you're always like, Okay, now's the time where I'm going
Speaker 1: to see if people like it or not. I'm just
Speaker 1: out there. And you had to do that in such
Speaker 1: a big way, and you just did such a great job.
Speaker 1: And I hope you're you're proud of yourself for all
Speaker 1: the passion and work and also talent that you put
Speaker 1: into this. Thanks, Bobby. I appreciate that a lot. That
Speaker 1: means the world coming from you, and I can't I
Speaker 1: know he wouldn't have had the success we've had with
Speaker 1: this project if you hadn't been involved, and you were.
Speaker 1: You were there from the get go, and I just
Speaker 1: can't thank you enough for being a part of this
Speaker 1: and taking time to you know, talk about the project
Speaker 1: today and before we dive into you know, the holiday
Speaker 1: break and whatnot. But um, yeah, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for um talking community. Good enun to you. Always good
Speaker 1: to see you, and you know, Jared and Nicole Gallian Randa,
Speaker 1: you know, I could keep going. Like you said, there's
Speaker 1: so many people just a plus to you guys. It
Speaker 1: was a thrill to just be able to, you know,
Speaker 1: watch the masters at work. So thank you for letting
Speaker 1: me a part of it. And hopefully I'll talk to
Speaker 1: you soon. All right, talk soon, all right, bye bye. Hi.
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Speaker 1: is really cool. Sony Music is the record label for
Speaker 1: this project, and they ran a contest for one lucky
Speaker 1: fan to get into a conversation with me, which is
Speaker 1: crazy because I've never had fans up until now. I
Speaker 1: was very excited to share the insights that I had
Speaker 1: into what it takes to become a songwriter in Nashville,
Speaker 1: especially as somebody who's experienced it. You know, firsthand this
Speaker 1: past year, so I'm extremely happy to share this conversation
Speaker 1: with you all. Hey, Angela, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: you know, submitting to the contest, and thank you so
Speaker 1: much for tuning into the project. You know, we weren't
Speaker 1: quite sure how, you know, would our listeners would respond,
Speaker 1: so thank you so much for being a fan of
Speaker 1: the show. Of course, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just I can't believe that I want
Speaker 1: this contest. I just enter just to hopefully see what happens,
Speaker 1: and here we are. A Well, I'm so glad that
Speaker 1: you did. You said that you're a songwriter yourself, so
Speaker 1: is that something Is that what really trained you about
Speaker 1: the show? Or yes'm I would love to pursue a
Speaker 1: career in songwriting. I've been songwriting for a few years now,
Speaker 1: just really getting focused into it. And yes, when I
Speaker 1: heard about the podcast, I just I knew I had
Speaker 1: to listen to it because there probably aren't a lot
Speaker 1: of podcasts and not a lot of you know, like
Speaker 1: information about what goes on behind the scenes, so I
Speaker 1: know that it is a tough industry to get into. Sorry, yeah,
Speaker 1: but what did you feel like you connected to the
Speaker 1: most with Charlotte about I feel like there was a
Speaker 1: lot of parallels with Charlotte and I m including, you know,
Speaker 1: the pressure of being the best and just invading music rope,
Speaker 1: you know. I yeah, here, I am a girl and
Speaker 1: from the West the you know, a songwriter or a singer,
Speaker 1: you know, just making it in the business. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like Charlotte and I do have a lot
Speaker 1: of similarities with that absolutely well. The thing nowadays everybody
Speaker 1: being on Zoom, it's like you can be you can
Speaker 1: be writing from anywhere and and we're all working remote least.
Speaker 1: It's kind of I feel like it takes I know
Speaker 1: what I'm feeling is though, because I lived in LA
Speaker 1: for thirteen years, so I've had that same kind of
Speaker 1: nervous approach. Even though I come from a country Texas background,
Speaker 1: I just had the same nervousness of like, oh gosh,
Speaker 1: here I am coming from the West Coast, are they
Speaker 1: going to take them seriously? And you know, but you
Speaker 1: just let your music speak for itself, and I mean
Speaker 1: I hope so yeah, I mean, I do write from
Speaker 1: personal experience and you know, life experience, So I hope
Speaker 1: you know what you've done and what Miranda has Done,
Speaker 1: and Carrie Underwood and Marion Morris and all those people
Speaker 1: that I love that I look up to as singer songwriters.
Speaker 1: You know I do that absolutely. Well, that's what makes
Speaker 1: a good country writing or country music story first, you
Speaker 1: know for sure. So did you have any questions for
Speaker 1: me about storyline the characters? YEA concerned. I know that
Speaker 1: this was a scripted podcast. How did that come about?
Speaker 1: Like how you know, were you really thinking about doing
Speaker 1: the scripted podcast at first? Like how did you finalize
Speaker 1: the script at the end. Well, the songs actually came first,
Speaker 1: and I had written this. There's a six songs from
Speaker 1: the soundtrack that were just ones that I had written
Speaker 1: on my own, even just in my bedroom by myself
Speaker 1: for in a session in Nashville that we're uf ma
Speaker 1: say some myself decent songs, but not not quiet country radio.
Speaker 1: So Jared Goodstatt, who created the podcast and the whole
Speaker 1: project with me and producer on the album, he said,
Speaker 1: let's just record your songs and you know we'll find
Speaker 1: we'll find a place for him because he comes from
Speaker 1: a world of sync music. And so yeah, the songs
Speaker 1: were recorded at first, They were written just over the years,
Speaker 1: just from my life experiences, and then there was this
Speaker 1: sort of natural story arc that developed once we had
Speaker 1: the six songs on the EP. So then we took
Speaker 1: the music and basically just played it for our writer
Speaker 1: David Hudgens and his son Brooks Hudgens, and and they
Speaker 1: wrote based off the songs. So usually it's the other
Speaker 1: way around, and so it was fun to do it
Speaker 1: this way. Wow, that is so interesting. That is so cool.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's me. I don't know, I just
Speaker 1: you know, that's the thing with songwriting is you know,
Speaker 1: you just like when you feel the inspiration, you just
Speaker 1: write and then sometimes you find a home for them
Speaker 1: and it could be next week, it could be five
Speaker 1: years from now. But that's really the story behind the
Speaker 1: music and the story arc of Nagative This week go yeah,
Speaker 1: So did you have these songs, you know, stashed away
Speaker 1: for years months? Yeah, like Breathe Tyler Rich and I
Speaker 1: wrote that with Jared Goodstatum like two years ago, and
Speaker 1: so I wanted to bring it into the soundtracks. I was.
Speaker 1: I was always a fan of that one in particular,
Speaker 1: and we needed a fictional radio hit in the storyline
Speaker 1: due to licensing fees and um, so we decided to
Speaker 1: just you know, why I pay for a song when
Speaker 1: we're songwriters and we can just you know, it's already fictional,
Speaker 1: so let's just make a fictional radio hit. So Breathe
Speaker 1: the song with Tyler Rich that you hear Um, Charlotte
Speaker 1: and Davis perform in episode one. Tyler and I wrote
Speaker 1: that a couple of years ago, and I just wanted
Speaker 1: to find a home for it. And then the other
Speaker 1: songs were the same same thing. Want to that we
Speaker 1: were that We're written for the project We're Champion, which
Speaker 1: Miranda sings, and then working out cut by Lindsay l Oh,
Speaker 1: my god, that is so cool. Thanks, what do you?
Speaker 1: It was the most difficult part about doing list Quarantine,
Speaker 1: just off the top of my head. Um, we were
Speaker 1: shipping mics all over the country. U Michael Raymond James
Speaker 1: who plays Marshall, he lives on the East Coast, so
Speaker 1: we shipped him a microphone and we dropped microphones around
Speaker 1: Los Angeles to talent with like the sanitizing kit and everything, um,
Speaker 1: going through all the you know before with acting and
Speaker 1: you could and in music, like, I feel like this
Speaker 1: situation has made us all become so like you have
Speaker 1: to learn how to use all this technology or else
Speaker 1: you're gonna fall behind. So there were some growing pains
Speaker 1: with myself and some of percast trying to figure out
Speaker 1: you know, uploading files to drop Box, I mean, and
Speaker 1: incredible actors, but you know we're not the most tech
Speaker 1: savvy bunch. But um that yeah, that was the most
Speaker 1: challenging part of it. And um yeah, off the top
Speaker 1: of my head. And Marshal it is hysterical, like his
Speaker 1: sense of hysterical. He's pretty. Uh, he's pretty he's pretty
Speaker 1: quick witted and a lot of that. He did a
Speaker 1: lot of improvising and it would he's such an incredible
Speaker 1: actor and he like stays in it and and this
Speaker 1: has honestly been like the best acting class of my life,
Speaker 1: getting to work with actors such as him. But like
Speaker 1: they am, it's just yeah, we just we just had
Speaker 1: a lot of fun doing this. And it's kind of
Speaker 1: like there's this element of goofy it that is on
Speaker 1: top of it doing our seems like over zoom. It's
Speaker 1: just funny like and so um kind of it worked
Speaker 1: out so much better than I thought it would be.
Speaker 1: But yes, he's he's definitely. Uh he and I think
Speaker 1: Apollo cracked me up. Oh my god. Yes, what was
Speaker 1: your favorite part about doing this podcast? Oh? Getting to
Speaker 1: work with such incredible talent, I mean getting to work
Speaker 1: with Miranda and you know, Billy, Bob and Dennis of course.
Speaker 1: I mean that's been that's been so rewarding. But most
Speaker 1: fault's telling the songwriter story. That's been my favorite part.
Speaker 1: And and bringing that story to you know, a new audience,
Speaker 1: and and seeing all the support I mean we're getting,
Speaker 1: we're gearing up for season two, so I think did
Speaker 1: something right? Yeah, oh yes you did. You did definitely,
Speaker 1: thank you. What do you think is the most you know,
Speaker 1: you have any advice? What do you how would you
Speaker 1: handle music city like in your opinion? You know, because
Speaker 1: I know Nashville is pretty cut throat, so oh it's
Speaker 1: advice for it's you know, it's like, I think it
Speaker 1: feels cut throat because of the pressure that we put
Speaker 1: on ourselves, but really it's there's so many, so many
Speaker 1: incredible songwriters here that just want to write. So my
Speaker 1: advice is to just write with anyone, everyone, whoever. You know,
Speaker 1: you're going to have good sessions, bad sessions, great sessions
Speaker 1: and you don't know you won't have those experiences until
Speaker 1: you start putting one foot in front of the other.
Speaker 1: And so my advice is to just write with anyone
Speaker 1: and everyone that you can. That's you know, that's a
Speaker 1: pursuing the same thing and um and you'll see that
Speaker 1: it's not you know, the songwriters amongst each other. It
Speaker 1: doesn't feel as much cut throat because it kind of
Speaker 1: feels like, all right, we're rolling this together. Let's write
Speaker 1: together because you can't you you need each other. You know.
Speaker 1: It's not as much like acting where you're on you know,
Speaker 1: you're auditioning, you're going into these auditions. You can do
Speaker 1: that by yourself with the casting director reading the lines.
Speaker 1: But with songwriting it's so much there's so much collaborative
Speaker 1: collaboration that needs to take place and trust in the room.
Speaker 1: So that's just that's my advice as to just write
Speaker 1: with anyone and feel, you know, like you can be
Speaker 1: vulnerable with them. Vulnerability is the number one thing, and
Speaker 1: obviously trust is too, but vulnerability in order to you know,
Speaker 1: connect with the lyrics, I think is something that means
Speaker 1: do you, um, are you do you play a guitar
Speaker 1: or piano or I don't play any instruments. Um, yes,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm with that. Um. But one of
Speaker 1: my goals is to learn to play guitar. Uh huh.
Speaker 1: My mom year years ago bought me a guitar and
Speaker 1: it just that in the corner of my room for years,
Speaker 1: and I regret. Definitely, it's there for you. It's there
Speaker 1: for you. There's you know, songwriting that there's so many
Speaker 1: different parts of it where there's somebody in the room
Speaker 1: that top lines and is the lyricist and you know,
Speaker 1: there's That's another great thing about collaborating with other writers
Speaker 1: is that you know where you feel like you might
Speaker 1: need more work, someone else in the room might have
Speaker 1: that quality and so it kind of it's together. And
Speaker 1: but I was anna melody first or um, you know
Speaker 1: what your songwriting process is? Yeah, I feel like I
Speaker 1: do melody first, or if I have like an idea
Speaker 1: about what I want the song to be written about,
Speaker 1: it's probably just like the chorus and then I write
Speaker 1: around that. So yeah, I mean I don't have a specific,
Speaker 1: you know process, it's just whatever I feel you know
Speaker 1: is right first. Yeah, that's very true to songwriting. Did
Speaker 1: you always want to be a songwriter or how did
Speaker 1: that wrote? Um, I didn't ever think of it as
Speaker 1: a career. You know, there's so many things, there's many
Speaker 1: parts of the industry that you don't think about when
Speaker 1: you're twelve with a guitar. You know, you just think
Speaker 1: I would think Leanne Ms or you know, somebody that's
Speaker 1: like on stage performing, and so the thinking of being
Speaker 1: a songwriter was not something it was. It didn't. It
Speaker 1: really wasn't until like the last within the last five years,
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, you know, I want to do this professionally.
Speaker 1: But I've been playing guitar and writing since I was
Speaker 1: about twelve or fourteen, and it was really just for
Speaker 1: fun and um, and then I started working in like
Speaker 1: the kind of commercial space and writing songs for commercials,
Speaker 1: and then it really opened up that door of opportunity
Speaker 1: and just the idea of, you know, making music for
Speaker 1: a career. It just seems like, well that that doesn't
Speaker 1: seem possible because it's it's just so fun and it's
Speaker 1: it's fun and it's easy, and you know, but that's
Speaker 1: when you know you know you're doing the right thing, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, or at least you hope you think you're
Speaker 1: doing the right thing. I know, for me, I feel
Speaker 1: like I am, but then there's like million voices in
Speaker 1: my head like no, Angela, this is a dream like
Speaker 1: m that's just going to be so far fetched. You
Speaker 1: can't you know that you can't reach and people are
Speaker 1: telling you that you're crazy. So it's just getting those
Speaker 1: voices out of my head and just yeah, good. Well
Speaker 1: that's I feel like that happens with anybody at any
Speaker 1: point in their career. There's always that kind of that
Speaker 1: voice in your head that you kind of have to
Speaker 1: put aside and and you know that's that's so normal
Speaker 1: for anybody any point in their career. UM, so my
Speaker 1: advice to you is to just keep writing. Well do
Speaker 1: I will take that. Um. One last question, Um, of
Speaker 1: the GRAMNE nominations are women, and right, UM, how do
Speaker 1: you feel about the woman in the music industry? Now?
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm you know, we are seeing an
Speaker 1: up climb, which is good. Oh gosh, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's about damn time. Um. You know, I I'm so
Speaker 1: proud of like my fellow you know, female writers and
Speaker 1: artists and you know for all everyone just being so
Speaker 1: just persistent with it because you could have it could
Speaker 1: have you know, they're they're all those artists. They could
Speaker 1: have just gotten so fed up with it and tired
Speaker 1: and feeling defeated, and they could have gave up. And
Speaker 1: they didn't. You know, they kept going and going and
Speaker 1: fighting to get their voice heard and fighting to get
Speaker 1: their song or voice on on country radio or any
Speaker 1: radio really, and so it's just it's just that, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of all those women for sticking with it,
Speaker 1: you know, and women in music. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: there is a change, and you know, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think there's any reason or need to like point
Speaker 1: fingers at anybody for the way that is. It just
Speaker 1: has been. That's just been the way it has been.
Speaker 1: So I'm just so proud of, you know, these women
Speaker 1: for just you know, push them through and getting that nomination.
Speaker 1: I mean, each of their stories is I can't even imagine,
Speaker 1: you know, what they've what they've been through to to
Speaker 1: get to this point in their career. And so that
Speaker 1: was also part of what we The story one wanted
Speaker 1: to tell for um Magative as we Go is is
Speaker 1: the voice that's behind country radio because there's you know,
Speaker 1: these guys on country radio singing the words written by
Speaker 1: these amazing women in Nashville writing the songs. So you know,
Speaker 1: we wanted to to share their stories and so I mean,
Speaker 1: it's an an incredible number and I'm just so happy
Speaker 1: to see that it's changed. I know, so am. I
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, as women, when we do
Speaker 1: put a lot of pressure on ourselves, and you know too,
Speaker 1: we put a lot of us out there, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of ourselves out there. So you know, for
Speaker 1: these women to be nominated in this big, this big
Speaker 1: category or this big award show is just it's amazing
Speaker 1: to watch. And I just hope that, you know, we
Speaker 1: could keep that percentage getting higher. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Well
Speaker 1: it's a start and and yeah, well, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for taking time to talk with me and for
Speaker 1: listening to the project. And I just it's, you know again,
Speaker 1: it's we didn't know what kind of reaction we'd get,
Speaker 1: and my dream was to be able to reach another
Speaker 1: female songwriter and that has been you. So thank you
Speaker 1: so much. This means a lot to me, So thank you,
Speaker 1: of course, no, thank you so much for making an
Speaker 1: impact in my life and for inspiring me. And you know,
Speaker 1: I hope inspiring not just me, but many others, I'm sure,
Speaker 1: and you did such a great job, and congratulations and
Speaker 1: all the success you Thank you so much. That means well,
Speaker 1: you definitely deserve it for sure. Thank you well you
Speaker 1: get those guitar lessons going. I will I will well.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for falling me on my journey
Speaker 1: this year. I promised there is much more to come,
Speaker 1: including a pretty amazing song, if I may say so myself,
Speaker 1: that I'm going to share with you at the end
Speaker 1: of this podcast ask called Howdy Christmas. I wrote this
Speaker 1: with my partner Jared Goodstadt, and it's performed by myself
Speaker 1: and country superstar Hailey Witters. It's been incredible getting to
Speaker 1: work with all these talented and inspiring women Lindsay l
Speaker 1: Randa Lambert and a Cold Galleon, and I cannot thank
Speaker 1: them enough. And I want to give a special shout
Speaker 1: out on that note and express support for this special,
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Speaker 1: all the music from Making Up as we Go. And
Speaker 1: now here's howdy Christmas tree is dressed with Christmas souvenirs.
Speaker 1: Let's not let the magic disappear. And if the Christmas
Speaker 1: light never shine this bright, all always be merry. As
Speaker 1: long as I got the best boots and bells on
Speaker 1: heading home where I'm along that Tennessee ten sol all
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