WEBVTT - Bonus: Made It Up As We Went 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:05.640 Hey guys. I'm Kaylee Shore. I'm a singer songwriter in Nashville, Tennessee, 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:08.039 and I host a podcast called Too Much to Say, 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:12.720 which is very aptly titled. I write songs most of 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:15.200 the time, but I can't keep my feelings to three 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:18.040 minutes and thirty seconds. So to have a whole podcast, 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:22.000 it's just amazing. So I share stories from my music career, 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:25.120 my childhood. I've been known to read diary entries, play 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:27.960 unreleased songs. But no matter what I'm doing, I'm sharing 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:30.639 a strong opinion I have on something. 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Listen to Eating Wall Broke on the 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:48.920 iHeartRadio app, on Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:06.880 Here's to Nowhere, Arizona. You don't know how bad I owe. 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:10.680 You didn't know. Soul of Summer Law to my best 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:18.760 friends became these songs. Ou stayed up all night. Here's 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:23.440 the mister le Daggon told me that I never hacking. 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:27.800 Every time you did me wrong, just put more country 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:34.720 in the salts out they're getting me by, So I 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:42.880 do it all again. Everything I had to lose you in. 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:50.560 Every time I think my worldlighting, it's a far before 0:02:50.760 --> 0:03:07.840 the clown. Broken heart is always my champion, Champion. Here's 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:12.560 your sacrificing memories. Things I've missed, my best friend's wedding, 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:17.040 neither my nephew was born, and tears I poured into 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:23.440 the songsid I paid a prize for this life, and 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:30.000 I do it all lock again. Everything I had to 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:37.440 lose to win because every time I stayed my world righting, 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:42.160 it's the fall before the climb. A broken heart is 0:03:42.200 --> 0:04:03.360 always mine, Champion, Champion, do everything in all you only 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:18.359 put more coudry and my soul. It's the Bible to come. 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:48.840 A broken heart is always man. Look at where we are, Champion, Champion, Champion. Hi, 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:51.200 I'm sorry atte Bark. You just listened to a snippet 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:53.719 of the song that I wrote with Miranda Lambert called Champion, 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:56.400 which she originally performed on my podcast Make It Up 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:58.840 as we Go. Today, I'm going to take you through 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:01.680 my adventure and cree doing this incredible project and all 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:04.400 the people who helped me bring it to life. First 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:07.880 up is award winning songwriter and Nicole Gallon. Nicole was 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.039 the first person that Jared I connected with when we 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:12.680 were putting this together because we wanted to have a 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:16.359 real Nashville hitmaker helped shape the musical identity. Here's a 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:19.000 taste of how things went down when we first started production. 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:25.560 Oh hi Nicole, Hi Scarlett. You know, this project came 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:29.039 together way way before we even had scripts. And the 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.680 first thing that you know, Scarlett and I discussed when 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:35.800 she came back from Nashville with the first batch of songs, was, 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:39.800 you know, we really want to get the authentic Nashville 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.359 co sign into this thing so that people, you know, 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.720 really understand that, you know, this is a project that 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:49.200 resonates with the town, and you know, this has a 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.760 writer involved who's written for some big names. And I 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.720 remember the first conversation we had with Sloan. She said, 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.160 you have to talk to Nicole. Nicole And it wasn't 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.800 like talk to these three people, she said, talked to Nicole. 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:04.719 So you know what would happened behind the scenes there? 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.080 Did slow and give you any heads up that these 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:11.600 two people would be entering your life? No, IM, you 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:15.240 guys know this. I think I have a word for 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.640 every year of my life, and it's like my theme 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:21.280 and my word for last year was Champion, and part 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.680 of that meant just explaining my territory and a lot 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.120 mainly in my career outside of the writing room, just 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.080 to and I didn't know what that looked like, but 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.880 I had shared that with Sloan, and then I just said, 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:35.400 please share anything that comes across your desk that you 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:38.440 know I might come to mind on. And there were 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:40.400 a few things that came up and I was like, 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:43.760 that isn't genuine or authentic for me, and she sent 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:47.760 me the deck for this for your project, and truth 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.039 be told, I kind of like marked it as unread 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:52.880 and it just kind of kept moving down my inbox 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.400 because it was a lot of materials and it was 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.040 I needed some peace and quiet to really look at it. 0:06:58.080 --> 0:06:59.840 And so quite a bit of time went by and 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:04.080 I didn't really respond I'm sorry, But then something I 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:06.640 think I was on a trip and I was by 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:09.320 myself in a hotel room, and I was just like, 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.679 I'm just gonna go I really knock out some emails 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.640 and I found it again and that's when I got 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:16.200 on the phone. Was slow, and I was like, let's 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.120 talk about this because I really like this and that, 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.720 and we immediately got on the phone. I remember being 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:24.040 in that hotel room talking to you on the phone, Jared, 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:28.080 and I was I was, I'm just so glad that 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:32.240 I'm not so flighty that or flaky that I didn't 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:35.480 finish reading that email because it was I remember when 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:38.480 I read it, I just thought, well, if I'm not 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:41.360 going to do this, who is this is? So? This 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:46.040 is so my life already, And it felt like, you know, 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:48.600 from my end, it felt like kind of like an 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:52.560 answer to some an invitation for me to champion something. Yeah, 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:56.200 and just like timeline wise, like it's often in this project, 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.720 you know, I would get a call about something and 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.480 immediately called Scarlet. You won't believe it, you know, like 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.520 this crazy thing happened. I was like, this person who's 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.080 written all these like big She's gonna call you and 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:08.880 talk about the project. And she's like, yeah, I know 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:12.200 who Nicole is. So I guess Scarlett what happened next? 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:14.240 So it went from like phone tex she called me 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:16.120 and then she's like, Okay, I want to speak to 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:19.360 the person who's actually you know, this is revolving around 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.920 and then you guys connected, We connected, like I was 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.560 actually on my way back from Ohai writing the Taco 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:31.040 Bell this song, and spoke with Nicole and I was like, honestly, 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.440 Nicole was pretty intimidated to speak with you on the phone, 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.520 and because it was like you probably you know, didn't 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:39.959 know much of our background, and here we are used 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:43.560 to like kind of jingle writers in LA, wanting to 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:48.760 do this whole project, and and so whenever we spoke, 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:52.160 I just it felt so natural, It felt like a fit. 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:56.720 It felt like, you know, I think Nashville and like 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:58.360 one of the great things about Nashville is that it 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.040 likes to keep its traditions and then there's this other 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:05.319 part of Nashville that is evolving into you know, new 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.400 ways of releasing music, such as this project. And I 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:10.679 felt like you got it, Like you you knew what 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.040 this was, you knew what to do with it, and 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:15.440 you knew what you could bring to the table, you know, 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:17.959 not just as far as your songwriting goes, but as 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:22.000 far as being that bridge between us, you know, LA 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:26.040 folks into the Nashville world. And so, I mean, we 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:29.920 spoke spoke briefly about the project, and it wasn't I 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:33.200 didn't really want to get too detailed about here's what 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:34.600 the songs are going to be about, and it was 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.160 we kept it very broad of like Okay, we need 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:38.920 a song that kind of fits this and kind of 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:43.520 fits that, and then you know, it just wrote itself 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.840 kind of naturally. In the room, well, in the room 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.439 was kind of I've had two types of experiences with 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:52.800 these types of like setups, you know, where it's a 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:55.920 very specific person not just like a casual day of like, oh, 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:58.839 we're writing today. I've had instances where I've written with 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:02.800 people like you where the song like didn't have anything 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:05.600 to do with my world until five years later, or 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:07.640 you know, knowing, oh my god, we're going in here 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:12.840 like Navy seals, these work things that must work. So 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:16.680 you know, in terms of like entering into the room 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:20.000 that day, I knew that I felt a tremendous amount 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:23.320 of like pressure to get like lots of stuff done, 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.040 and we ended up focusing really on two things. I mean, 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:28.000 how is that for both of you? Were you nervous 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:30.520 that we were gonna Scarlett fly all the way down 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:32.840 there and maybe leave empty handed? And Nicole, did you 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:35.880 know you know that these even that we would write 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:39.440 anything with intention or purpose that day? I mean, I'm 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.920 always I always have like low grade anxiety, like a 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:46.520 very very low level going into any right, Like I'm 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:49.640 about to go right with an artist right after this, 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.040 And I wake up every day that I go into 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.280 right and think, what like, I don't know what's going 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:58.400 to happen, But I have I just I don't know. 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:00.360 I think the longer I've done this, more I have. 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:04.160 I have confidence that what's meant to be will be 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:08.760 in the room. And I don't know. I didn't I 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:11.560 didn't feel nervous. I actually have a lot of Look 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:15.600 with first time collaborations, I think there's something intangible that 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:19.000 happens when people are a little bit on their heels 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.880 and don't really know, because I think your senses are heightened, 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:26.720 and therefore I think, UM, I think you just write something. 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.120 A lot of times you create something very special that 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.280 you can't recreate, maybe the fourth or tenth time you 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:36.320 collaborate with those people. I when I look back on, UM, 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:38.560 there's a lot of songs for me that are really 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:42.040 special that we're first time collabse. So going into writing 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.760 with you guys that day, I'm sure I had confidence, 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:48.040 in some excitement that this could be one of those days, 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:52.400 and it was yeah, I had absolute confidence because you 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:57.200 just one song of the year. So I was like, yeah, 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:00.439 I was confident. I don't know, I was we were 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.600 definitely weren't going to be leaving empty handed. I thank god, 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.400 I've just seen you, like, you know, like when I 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:09.400 did the acceptance speech and whatnot, and I was like, 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:13.240 I think we will be fine, like um no, but 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:17.280 um I didn't. I didn't really know how many songs 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:21.160 we were gonna come out with. And my worry was 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:26.120 that we were gonna try to focus on I mean, 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:27.880 I knew this wasn't gonna happen, but I know in 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:30.680 the past with some of the like my trips to Nashville, 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:32.719 it's been I think I've made a mistake where I've 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:36.880 focused on like quantity of songs to come home with 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.920 over quality. And so that was something I really wanted 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:43.520 to make sure that you know, didn't happen, which you know, 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:47.760 like was perfect. I mean, Champion, it was kind of 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:51.680 like we really let it just breathe and and so 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:53.920 um you know, and it worked well. We got off 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.040 to a bit of a in a misdirect I could 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:59.280 see that like the faster song Scarlet, you know, the 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.640 way that You're songs typically roll out are more of 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:05.400 the finger picking, you know, mid and slow, teable, and 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:07.880 I could see, you know, I also freaked the hell 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.320 out of people because I come in with all this 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:12.079 and it was a bit of a circus that day. 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:15.079 We were like, we're doing the project and Bobby's involved, 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.120 and guess what, Bobby's teams coming by and they've never 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:20.800 heard of the project, and you know, and by the way, 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:24.840 we have a video camera and it's it's a lot. 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.839 And I've had that effect on a lot of people 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.960 where I also people in the room go, Jared's doing 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.200 all these things, and then they're also looking to be going, 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.319 what are we actually here for? You know? And then 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:38.200 I looked over to Scarlett and I was like, oh, 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.240 I thought working out the sound and really great. And 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:42.440 she pulled me aside and was like, we need to 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.800 figure out another song because that song is amazing, but 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:48.120 that's not the song that we came here to. We 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:49.960 didn't get, you know, we came here to get the 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.360 my Heart Will Go on big, you know, anthemic moment. 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.360 I think that. I mean you asked about confidence or 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:01.199 going into that day specific feeling that pressure. You guys 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:04.680 have flown in. We had a few hours in a 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:06.880 studio at a hotel. You know, it's like there's a 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:10.840 lot of things. This isn't just like you know, around 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.280 a campfire in someone's backyard and a song falls out 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:18.640 when it happens, But I, I, it's very helpful for 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:22.960 me to know that there is a target. And I 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.720 felt like that was, in some ways what was easier. 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.200 I didn't know what writing for a project like this 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:30.960 would be like, but in some ways it was easier 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.040 because it eliminated a lot of like a lot of 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:37.240 stuff that we couldn't write about. Yeah, Normally when I 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.080 go into my day job, it's like today I have 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:45.080 no parameters tempo blow like this lifestyle breakup? Do we 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:46.400 want to write it's a pitch? Do we want to 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:49.120 write it for the artist? Like this was so such 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.840 a pointed target that that I had a lot of 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:53.680 confidence of, like I at least know what we're aiming 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:57.880 at right of the time. Songwriter, you know, the blue 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:01.800 collar Nashville songwriters just like just gets up to that 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:05.840 and swings kind of blindly like I hope we hit something. Yeah, No, 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:07.960 it was it felt it did feel like writing for 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:11.800 like a sync pitch like a film or TV pitch 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:16.600 and obviously like um, there was so much more heart 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:21.200 behind it because you know, created the thing. But well 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:24.960 and also you you know, the easiest rites for my 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.280 job are when you write with an artist that knows 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.880 who they are. And I think you guys knew what 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:34.240 the project was, right, So it was very It wasn't 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:38.120 It really wasn't just like getting up to swing. It 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:41.280 was like, okay, I like we have a you you 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:44.640 already had enough of the arc of the storyline, enough 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.400 of the other music to go, Okay, this is what 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:51.280 we're missing and we're going towards. So that was and 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.880 that's exactly what I wanted out of the process for myself, 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:58.400 was the challenge of that of getting to be a 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.680 part of writing for something very specific that was new 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:05.280 to me. Once the fingerpicking started and you know, here's 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:07.360 the nowhere Zona. I honestly, if you look at the 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:10.160 camera and the tape of that day, my pressure probably 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:13.480 drops down to like a normal rate because I was like, oh, here, 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.400 like this is I've seen it, Like now the song started. 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.600 Now it's about coaching more than anything, you know, getting it. 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:21.960 I was just like counting the minutes to like till 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:23.840 you would demo it in the booth because I knew that, 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.720 like you know, and I do it all. Like, once 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.480 those melodies were there, I was like, the song's done. 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:33.120 Now we just have to write it. I truly think 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.240 that once you have a first line and a title 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:38.360 of a song, you're like halfway there. It's so crazy 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.720 that Champion is like your word of the year because 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:45.240 like even just like the what happened, even after that 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:47.840 thing where you know, it's like, oh, these two people 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.200 came in from LA and they're writing, and you know, 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:53.600 the Winston House sessions and the iHeart stuff that we did, 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:57.440 like seeing the song like take a life from you 0:16:57.480 --> 0:16:59.760 know song, Whereas we write songs all day to the 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:02.520 point where I'm sure we can barely remember the ones 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:05.280 we've done in the last like you know, thirty weeks. 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.040 But it was so cool seeing the specificity of that, 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:10.199 like writing for a moment, writing with the attention, and 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:13.480 when you both performed it for the first time working 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.760 out and Champion at Winston House, I was like, it's alive, 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.960 like Frankenstein. I was like, it's real. And then I 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:24.359 could start seeing what artists would theoretically be in that well. 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.639 I mean, that's the craziest thing about songwriting. The magic 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:32.120 of it in general is you know, you you create 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:35.920 something that's tangible, that is living and breathing. You walk 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:37.960 in with nothing, you make it up as you go 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:41.840 and and truly it's like you have a living, breathing 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.240 thing then. And I think it was so cool with 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:49.080 this too, because you were really letting them. One of 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.120 my favorite things about it was you were you were 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:55.600 building a story around the music you had. You had 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:59.399 your body of work Scarlett that you had already made, 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:03.520 and you you use that as the muse for the 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:07.560 whole project, as opposed to usually it's the other way around, 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:09.720 where you create a story and then people are trying 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:14.760 to kind of like back back the songs into the project, 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:16.680 and it was it was really cool how it was 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:20.240 so music forward. I thought that was because I think 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.080 that's a great songwriting as if you can tell a 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:25.840 story without actually having to say anything, right, you already 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.439 had that in place with the songs that you had written, 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:31.960 so thank there was a lot to do with David 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:35.359 as well. He he heard the music and was like 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:40.000 I get it, and um, you know, it's those songs 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.600 that I truly never thought anybody you would hear like this, 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.320 like might have I wrote in my bedroom and didn't 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:49.480 have any plans to do anything with it. But I mean, 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:52.960 that's what I like about, you know, this project is 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.440 and what I've explained about this project is that these 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:58.639 songs are characters themselves, and there is so much life 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:02.439 imitating art your because you know, we talked about keeping 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:07.560 keeping it authentic to the reality of songwriting in Nashville, 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:11.600 and that that those songs are characters and they do 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.600 have kind of their own journey from the writing room 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.479 or even like what went on in the songwriter's day 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.400 and then to the writing room and then around town 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:25.080 and then to the artists and and so you know, 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:29.399 I think with Champion, it's just it's it's funny because 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:31.959 it's just as life again, it's just life imitating art 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:36.119 and that's what we needed. Um Scarlett, at what point 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:40.119 did you say to yourself, you know what artists? You 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:42.639 know you thought was going to cut either song, because 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:45.639 that last part of the journey was kind of incredible 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:48.480 and Sloan, big shout out to Sloan was a huge 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:51.600 part of you know, helping us reign in that like 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:56.280 casting process, I knew I wanted, like immediately in the room, 0:19:56.359 --> 0:20:00.560 I wanted Miranda. Um this song to me reminded me 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:04.040 of that built me and then it just it just 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:07.240 felt like Miranda, That's who I wanted. But I didn't. 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:11.400 I certainly didn't think that no offense to our project, 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:15.080 but I just thought it was just a long shot, 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:20.000 you know, and that that's who That's just who I 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:22.240 wanted for it, and I just I still can't believe 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:27.720 that like all played out, and again that's what thanks 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:32.960 to Nicole and Sloan. But this the word champion is 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:35.480 just so fitting to this project because there's so many 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:39.960 you know, even new Nicole like and Miranda and all 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:43.080 the talent attached to this. They could have easily said, 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:47.840 you know, podcasts, no thanks. And I think that this 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:51.680 there's been so many champions a part of this project 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:55.320 and it wouldn't have happened without all of those people, 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:59.119 and especially Miranda. So that's who I've wanted from it. 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:01.879 I think we talks about that in the room too. Nicole, 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:05.760 Oh yeah, I mean it, and I, you know, I 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:08.639 was probably of the same mindset of like of course, 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:11.440 Miranda's the O. It was such a it was such 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:15.000 an obvious choice creatively for the song. It just made 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:20.399 sense creatively, but also, um, I personally, that's my story 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:24.480 is my first two hits on radio were with Miranda 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:28.560 and her like she really speaking of life imitator art 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:32.400 imitating life, you know, I mean it was it truly 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:35.320 very woven together all of this for me, and that 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:37.480 was I didn't want to make it about me, but 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:39.440 in the back of my mind, I was like, man, 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:43.080 that would feel so special if this could kind of 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:46.080 be recreated again and told in a way to where 0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:48.919 people could really understand how this works and how it 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:52.520 can change a songwriter's life like mine when an artist 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:55.560 does come along and championship song, because it's not just 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:58.880 about that song. When an artist like Miranda or Lindsay 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:03.280 l or are any huge artist comes along and they 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:05.000 they cut your song, you know, just get the cut, 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:07.640 You get the validation, and the whole town and community 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:10.280 sees that that artist is signed off on you as 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:14.840 a writer and your your creations, and it really just 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:17.040 opens so many more doors. And I'm sure it is 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:19.880 for you right now, you know, Scarlett, even with other 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:23.600 things you're like, you don't need to the artist cutting 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:25.399 your song kind of does the talk. You don't have 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:27.760 to talk about it anymore. You can just show the 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:31.320 world like this is she's six months away from from 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:39.439 not returning our phone calls. Yeah, Jared, but answer well, 0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:42.040 to be honest, like the whole thing, the payoff of 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:46.199 the narrative is so like layered, and that's the specificity 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:49.880 of it's about the writers of Nashville this show and 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:53.960 you know, to actually in real life, Scarlett get the 0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:55.560 call that you got. You know, I don't know why 0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:57.359 people call me first, and I got the call about 0:22:57.400 --> 0:23:00.359 Miran and I'm like, now I gotta deliver this like 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:03.040 life changing news to Scarlett. She's not going to believe me. 0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:05.640 I need to callll to other people to make sure 0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:08.240 it's true. But like, you know, when we found out 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:10.480 that Miranda was cutting it, even I like, look, I've 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:12.720 gotten to work with a ton of people. That feeling 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:16.280 never goes away because it also validates the work that 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:19.080 you put in to get to that point. You're like, Wow, 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:23.000 somebody actually likes something I did. And not only that, 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:26.080 but Scarlett, the you know, your introduction to the town 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:29.280 is some incredible names. It's like Tyler rich alone is great, 0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:33.480 Lindsay All alone is great, you know, Miranda incredible. That's 0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:35.440 the home run. And then the icing on the cake 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:37.959 is now you're working with another one of Nicole's artists, 0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:40.879 you know, Hayley Witter is just as like an extra 0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:44.399 bonus to end twenty twenty. Talk about that for a second. 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:48.480 It's just I feel like this year I've had my 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:52.200 head down and focused on work, and then it's kind 0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:56.560 of I feel like right now I'm kind of like 0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:59.159 taking the blinders off and seeing it all from the 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:03.760 you know, thousand foot view. And that's just I mean, 0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:08.040 us being able to make this project this year, whenever 0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:11.240 everything was so uncertain. You know, this has been so 0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:15.920 rewarding and so fulfilling, and you know, being in like 0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:18.720 the pandemic and you know, I lived by myself, Like 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:20.639 I don't know what I would have done without having 0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:25.399 this project. And as far as you know, working with 0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:30.360 these amazing artists and you guys, it just it just 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:34.280 feels like we did the work and it just fell 0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:39.320 kind of into place naturally. So oh no, my dog's 0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:46.040 gonna go next, Okay, But but um yeah, it's even 0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:48.560 with like the Christmas song with Haley that was one 0:24:48.720 --> 0:24:51.720 As as as we were writing it, Jared, I was like, oh, 0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:53.639 this would be perfect for Haley. It's be perfect for her, 0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:56.479 and I've been following her career and her music and 0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:59.199 then of course you know the songs. The song that 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:02.760 you wrote with her, Heartland is on repeat in my house, 0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:05.000 and so it's just sort of like, I feel like 0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:08.840 you kind of what I like about this project the 0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:12.480 most is that it shows the relationship between artists and 0:25:12.600 --> 0:25:18.480 songwriter and what that looks like and how he's not 0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:22.119 bothering us. No. It makes it just say in the 0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:34.480 more country yeah, brands, Charlie Stop, Okay's huge. No. Um, 0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:39.240 I think he's done Charlie Stop anyway. So No, I 0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:42.000 think that like there's just it just you hear the 0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:44.760 artist in the in the song once you start writing 0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:47.199 it in that first verse, and it's like, I just 0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:50.440 I just can't. We've just been so lucky actually attaching 0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:55.080 those artists so well. Um, So you know, I know 0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:57.280 that we are coming to the end of this conversation, 0:25:57.320 --> 0:26:01.080 But Scarlett and Nicole season two, what what what's going 0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:09.000 to happen? Um? Scarlett, you go first, Who's getting pregnant 0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:14.640 in my career, just keeping more songs. We I don't know. 0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:16.920 I don't know. I kind of feel like I'm it's 0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:19.800 weird because I kind of feel like I'm living like 0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:22.840 what Season two might hopefully move. I mean, I don't 0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:29.159 want to get pregnant, but m Charlie stop um. I 0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:31.400 don't know. I just don't know. I feel like I'm 0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:34.280 kind of living that out right now and wanting to 0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:38.080 again the authenticity. I'm sure Nicole, you and I will 0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:41.760 have a lot of conversations coming up discussing, you know 0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:44.760 what season two looks like, because at this point in 0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:47.679 my career, I can't tell you. I don't know what 0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:51.479 that looks like just yet. I've heard art. Well, sometimes 0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:53.720 you have to quit writing. I always say, like, sometimes 0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:56.199 you have to take time off to writing to go 0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:58.920 live so you have something to write about. And it's 0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:02.000 that's probably the same and with with the podcast too, 0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:04.879 like you you or you and your life have been 0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:07.280 the music for the music and the story for this, 0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:09.160 so you need to go You're living it right now 0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:12.360 and I think that's so cool. Yeah, writing in are 0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:16.159 we writing in the pandemic? I mean, but Rymes COVID. 0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:19.040 You know, probably, I mean it would be again it's 0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:22.119 like going back to that authenticity. Yeah, I think some 0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:25.240 of that in season two, you know, I mean, artists 0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:28.680 have been unfortunately, you know, they've all been so impacted 0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:32.000 by it and really have really had to get creative 0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:37.080 with releasing their music. And um, yeah, maybe that's been 0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:39.360 the most exciting part about this is that we never 0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:42.280 could have predicted that this would have been a dynamic 0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:44.280 way that people could put up music in a year 0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:47.879 like Scarlet. You know, Um, you know, you've managed to 0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:50.080 you know, I know that you're very humble about it, 0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:52.960 but you've managed to break through in a town it's 0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:56.400 very hard to break through. And um, as Nicole will 0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:58.600 tell you, and you know, I sort of sneak my 0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:00.679 way into Nashville every now and then, but I'm not 0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:04.720 really part of that world. But you know, you you 0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:08.119 really you know, by writing your own story, which is 0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:11.159 you know, kind of how a lot of these outlier talents, 0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:14.280 like the Billy Bob Thornton's of the world, the you know, 0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:16.879 Stapletons of the world, they're there and then they become 0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:19.159 there in a new way, like you were already on 0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:21.879 a path and being successful as a commercial writer. But 0:28:21.920 --> 0:28:24.320 I just think that this is such an incredible example 0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:28.880 of creating your own story, creating a new dynamic way 0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:31.480 that people discover stuff. And I'm just happy that I 0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:33.040 got I'm like Ringo star, I'm just happy that I 0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:35.919 got to go along for the ride is incredible. And 0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:37.879 you know, seeing this all come to life from the 0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:40.520 writing room there as a tourist and someone who is 0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:43.360 involved in producing it. I you know, congrats on the 0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:47.080 amazing year both of you, and let's let's do it 0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:50.040 again in twenty one without any of the global pandemics 0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:52.320 and the rest of that bullshit right back at you. 0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:55.760 It's been awesome. It's whole year that's been great. 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But this 0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:25.920 podcast isn't only about tracking down the killer. It's about 0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:29.200 the victims. We stayed in the woods. He always liked 0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:32.240 to go into the woods to all of the kind 0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:35.080 of strange. Do you know how he feels about prostitutes? 0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:38.520 Listen to The Shadow Girls on the iHeartRadio app, on 0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:44.200 Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Around the 0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:47.440 time that we wrote Champion and working out with Nicole Gallian, 0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:51.200 Jared and I had begun our casting process, so he 0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:53.960 and I spoke to his partner at Audio, Dennis Quaid. 0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:57.240 Dennis played a huge part in getting Billy Thorton on board, 0:31:57.240 --> 0:31:59.160 which in turn helped us get Miranda Lambert to join 0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:03.000 the cast, as they're big fans of each other and production. 0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:06.640 It's it's like putting together a puzzle and can prove 0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:10.760 to be tricky Dennis, though he helps immensely. Here's a 0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:14.560 quick conversation with Dennis himself, my podfather as I like 0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:17.720 to call him, That explains how productions started before COVID 0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:21.280 nineteen and ended in the middle of it. We were 0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:23.040 working in a world where we did not have a 0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:25.400 luxury of being in a room together, so we had 0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:29.920 to do this um just over zoom technology. Well, you know, 0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:34.400 it's uh gosh, it's so kind of hard for me 0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:38.560 to remember when I first heard about make it Up 0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:44.840 as we Go. You and I met through Jared. I 0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:54.920 remember being a viper room when you sang and I 0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:59.480 think that's when we were when we were talking about it, right, Yeah, 0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:03.360 it was kind of like a makeup as we go moment. 0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:06.280 In fact, we're gonna set all the curb, all three 0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:09.680 of us and you know, you were having one of 0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:12.400 those moments like when you call your dad for right 0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:18.280 with my life. Yeah yeah, and uh yeah, you and 0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:20.280 Jared banked me out of the viper room and you 0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:22.360 y'all sat me down on that curb and had a 0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:26.240 real pep talk with me. Yeah, we all need every 0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:28.400 once in a while, we all need pep talk. The 0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:31.840 parking lot the viper room was a moment I'll never forget. 0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:40.760 But anyway, we had just set up Audio Up and 0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:44.440 we were we were in Pandemicville I think at that time, right, 0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:49.360 and so we didn't have a place. We couldn't get 0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:54.040 an office because nobody was leasing offices or whatever. So 0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:59.240 we came over. We made my house the office and 0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:03.920 recording studio and everything for a couple of weeks. It 0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:07.720 still like, you know, it was a startup company. And 0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:11.439 so but now from where you guys started, from the 0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:13.160 beginning of the year to the end of the year, 0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:18.600 Audio Up as my production partner on this project. It's 0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:20.920 so weird to ever think of y'all as a startup 0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:24.359 and it was. It wasn't It was almost twelve months 0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:27.600 ago and when we were at your house, it was 0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:30.840 the idea of this project was. I wanted it to 0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:34.680 be a set where we mike the rooms, we mike talent, 0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:38.120 and that way you can feel and hear like every 0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:40.319 part of the room. And you know, it was just 0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:43.959 as in all the ambience sound that goes well. Yeah, 0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:46.759 which cracious enough to letus do at your house, but 0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:50.319 I mean, what was it like having a like a 0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:53.680 question in your health. It work out so well actually 0:34:53.920 --> 0:35:04.360 because refrigerators of people's eating habits, flooring, the dogs, the 0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:07.920 kids and every every day. Also, it was like twenty 0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:12.600 five people in this room, so it was a good 0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:16.000 prompter for everybody for us to get the new audio 0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:19.480 audio chateau that we got. That was great being here 0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:21.640 in this room. We were all like shoulder to shoulder 0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:25.279 in here on the couches and you know, reading it 0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:29.480 live and basically doing it live, right, which is also 0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:32.239 before we were just to be you know, clear, we were. 0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:34.719 It was before we knew how that you know, it 0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:37.640 was before the shutdown or anything like that, so you're 0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:42.480 still being you know, that wasn't before the shutdown the shutdown, 0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:44.879 that's right. It wasn't before the shutdown, But we hadn't 0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:48.799 launched audio up yet. Okay, thank you, thank you for that, 0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:54.880 senior moment corrected. So we've been this whole year has 0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:57.440 been a blur. But uh, yeah, that was. That was 0:35:57.560 --> 0:36:02.399 fun being in here and uh and do I buy? 0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:07.279 And it was there was a whole musical element on 0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:09.600 our set, which I can't wait for this to go 0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:13.759 into TV development because all of our talent, you know, 0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:17.719 yourself included, are all incredible musicians. So when we would 0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:20.160 stop and take a break, somebody would pick up a 0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:23.040 guitar and start playing something, and then another actor like 0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:25.239 Rob May's would pick up a guitar and there would 0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:28.279 just be this impromptu jam session between Well I got 0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:32.759 enough of them in here, you know, and we definitely 0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:37.719 used your guitars. Yeah, and but but it was just 0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:40.319 such a just the vibe. I'm so glad we were 0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:44.279 able to have that experience before the shutdown. But well, 0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:46.840 I say, what's really big great for me is watching 0:36:46.960 --> 0:36:51.480 you uh grow into this and watching this coming you know, 0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:55.480 coming out of you and you know this is this 0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:58.920 uh you know you you really are and when you're 0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:01.600 playing a character, but you really are playing yourself in 0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:05.360 a way, and you did such a great job on it, 0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:12.560 you know, totally believable character. And it was like watching 0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:16.360 metamorphosis go on go on, you know, coming out of 0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:20.120 the butterfly, coming out of coming out a builder. Really 0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:21.920 was you know just what just watch you grow as 0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:25.359 an artist and really grow into this thing. And I'm 0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:29.440 really proud of it. I'm really proud of what we did. Uh, 0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:31.239 you know for Audio Up as a whole. This is 0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:35.359 our first real scripted thing as a company to come out. 0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:40.600 And the people that, you know, just made my jaw dropped. 0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:42.960 The people that we were able to get involved in 0:37:43.000 --> 0:37:48.440 this thing. And the thing random Bobby Bones, who your 0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:51.120 friends I know you're friends with and I had met 0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:53.319 him with you prior. I don't know if you had 0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:57.080 remembered that or not. Yeah, but you know what was 0:37:57.120 --> 0:38:00.759 that phone call like whenever you called Billy Ballman said hey, 0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:04.080 he doesn't need a podcast. He doesn't need to do that. 0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:07.279 So I know, why don't know about that? Is too, 0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:11.759 you know when like, uh, you know people call you 0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:18.080 to do a podcast like yeah, but I have to 0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:20.880 go clean. Bob was really great about it because he 0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:25.040 was really interested, you know, what we were doing. It's 0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:29.399 once people realize what Audio up is doing and how 0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:33.480 it's so uh music focused and at the same time, 0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:37.640 you know, like the old idea of radio play coming around. 0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:41.640 It's the movie for your ears and uh yeah, I 0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:45.399 think everybody picked up on the idea of it. Yeah, 0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:49.120 and Billy Bob also wanted his script, which we're gonna 0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:55.000 do on Floyd on the Speer really good. That's great. Yeah, 0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:58.279 to a scripts in the drawer that we're gonna do. Well. 0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:00.280 I gotta tell you, I can't I mean, I can't 0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:02.960 tell you how intimidated I was sitting there with you 0:39:03.040 --> 0:39:06.359 and Billy Bob on Zoom, having gone from like two 0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:09.360 years ago I was like a crunch dancer and a 0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:13.960 KFC commercial to working with you and Billy Bob Hotel 0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:17.120 giving you guys any direction. I felt like I was 0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:20.440 completely out of my element. But boy, he was right. 0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:24.200 He was really open joy Wedney, Oh yeah, absolutely about it. 0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:26.200 I just you know, it just turns into you know, 0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:29.640 he's such a great guy. And uh, I think we 0:39:29.640 --> 0:39:33.040 were doing that when the COVID when it was COVID right, right, 0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:36.319 so it a lot easier for him to just to 0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:39.040 be at home, right. Just dropped a mike. I think 0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:43.759 somebody dropped a mic off to his house. Yeah, and yeah, 0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:48.120 but it was, you know, it's amazing how we you know, 0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:50.640 I thought, oh my gosh, we're gonna we're gonna shut 0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:53.360 down production. We'll just have to stop. And you know, 0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:55.480 with the way that Jared is as you know, it was, 0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:59.040 there's no should in his vocabulary, and it's just let's 0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:01.240 we're gonna figure it. Oh, we're gonna keep moving forward. 0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:04.239 And so next thing we know, we're dropping microphones all 0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:08.600 over the country for this and shipping them around and 0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:11.440 you know, with the hand sanitizer and everything. So I'm 0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:13.680 just you know, I'm gonna be more happy, gonna be 0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:16.680 more proud and grateful to like the cast and you 0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:20.840 for just like rolling with the punches that came with production. 0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:24.240 I mean, I feel like our our session went pretty 0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:28.160 smoothly when we recorded our lines and everything. But um, 0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:32.640 but yeah, I just it's so it's so wild seeing 0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:35.920 everyone that's involved. But have you ever met Miranda before 0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:41.000 a better backstage? Uh? Just briefly, you know, when I 0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:45.279 was with Tanya, Oh right, a couple of those Awards 0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:51.160 glitter shows. Yeah, she seems really nice, but must have 0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:56.640 been really something for you. How did what was that 0:40:56.719 --> 0:41:01.279 first session like for you. I first found out that 0:41:01.360 --> 0:41:03.520 she was going to do this, I was actually at 0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:07.840 your house and Peaches, your dog, was chewing on a 0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:12.239 water bottle underneath the trampoline, and Jared, it was like, 0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:14.960 Miranda's in she's gonna do it, and she's gonna do 0:41:15.000 --> 0:41:16.879 the song. And I think I just like burst into 0:41:16.920 --> 0:41:19.640 tears under your trampoline because I was getting the water 0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:27.720 bottle on Peaches. That's the reality of what the story 0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:35.520 about with your dog under the trampoline. Whenever found out 0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:38.759 and it was like, I mean, it was just I 0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:42.080 just I don't know, I got so emotional over it. 0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:44.360 How do you feel, like what on the on the 0:41:44.400 --> 0:41:50.239 first sessions with all that, I mean, hearing it, it's 0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:54.640 I don't, I don't you know it? It was so 0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:57.279 fitting and she I knew she was perfect for this, 0:41:57.360 --> 0:42:00.200 and I knew if she just if she just even 0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:03.080 as a chance, and if she just knew the story, 0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:05.560 and which she knows that story, She's lived that story 0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:09.680 where that's her. Yeah, she saw herself, she saw herself 0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:14.040 and you yeah, absolutely so. I think there was so 0:42:14.160 --> 0:42:16.040 much hope there and I had her in mind from 0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:18.839 day one when Nicole and I were writing Champion, and 0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:24.000 so yes, it was overwhelming and incredibly exciting, but I 0:42:24.080 --> 0:42:29.719 also it just felt so right, you know. So um, 0:42:29.760 --> 0:42:31.839 I had cried my happy tears, and then we went 0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:33.520 back into the room that you're in now and we 0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:36.359 just got back to work. And yeah, you know, it's 0:42:36.440 --> 0:42:38.440 very important to get to a place where you feel 0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:41.600 like you belong. You know, you belong to you, you 0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:44.040 deserve to be there, you know what I mean? Right, 0:42:44.239 --> 0:42:48.360 I go through that my whatever, like first days of 0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:53.560 any any movie that I go on, and go, I 0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:57.839 don't deserve to be so of all to get over 0:42:57.920 --> 0:43:01.239 that and uh just kind of get gelled and you know, 0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:05.320 figure out that you know, people are people and uh 0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:08.160 and uh, because it's I think it's really important to 0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:13.319 enjoy the ride, which and it's just it's been so 0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:17.680 great to watch you enjoy this ride, which thank you, 0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:21.359 which which production aside from making up as we go? 0:43:21.560 --> 0:43:24.279 Did you feel that? Oh? I feel that every time 0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:28.560 we would start my first day. But I don't that 0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:33.040 kind of imposter syndrome. Yeah, yeah, an imposter that you know. 0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:35.360 So I remember as a kid, you know, I was 0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:40.799 like I did a movie. I played Barber. Uh. But 0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:44.279 the Gene Hackman was my dad, and Barbara Streisan was 0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:46.960 played my lover, and I was like I was his son, 0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:50.719 I was Jee's son. That was that was really intimidating. 0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:52.440 You know, they just turned out to be great people 0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:55.839 right there there. You know, you have them up on 0:43:55.880 --> 0:43:58.919 these pedestals because you, yeah, check their work and then 0:43:58.960 --> 0:44:02.439 getting to work with you know, even like I feel 0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:04.920 like working with you and Billy, Bob and and the 0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:07.240 rest of our cast, like it's just been the best 0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:11.719 acting class of my life. I mean seeing how everyone, 0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:14.480 like you've taught me a lot, you know, working through 0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:17.040 the scenes, and you had this great analogy of like 0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:19.040 it's almost like you have to keep the ball up 0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:21.520 in the air, like you're keeping a you're tossing a 0:44:21.560 --> 0:44:23.480 ball around and you can't let it drop, like you've 0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:25.359 got to keep the energy up. And that was like 0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:28.720 once you explained when you when you were talking about 0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:31.440 that in a scene, it just clicked like and I 0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:39.120 feel like saying that, but that sounds right. You had 0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:44.560 you had a moment um, But no, I felt that 0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:46.960 way because you I You and I had met on 0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:49.600 the set of your show Vegas and I was an 0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:53.280 extra and I was talking like a cigarette tray because 0:44:53.280 --> 0:44:58.560 it was a period piece, so I was, what forty fifties. 0:44:59.200 --> 0:45:06.200 I think there was Night teen sixty one or something. Yeah. Yeah, 0:45:06.040 --> 0:45:10.080 that was a lot of fun anything. Yeah, but it's 0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:13.880 it's kind of it's funny how things come around, you know, 0:45:13.960 --> 0:45:16.800 and you're able to put all your acting experience and 0:45:17.239 --> 0:45:20.680 all your music experience and put them together, and uh, 0:45:21.920 --> 0:45:24.960 you know that's all that wondering you were why you 0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:28.239 were doing that fact, then it's finally making sense to you. 0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:31.680 I guess right, I think so it was. I was 0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:33.640 so tempted. I never told you this, but when we 0:45:33.640 --> 0:45:36.600 were on your set, my god daughter at the time, 0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:38.719 I mean she was at the time, maybe like in 0:45:38.840 --> 0:45:41.239 second grade, and they were doing the school project where 0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:45.120 they have to they send this like paper cutout character 0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:48.000 to a relative that's far away, and it's called flat 0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:55.319 like flat Stanley, Flat Stanley. Yeah, yeah, that's anything. So 0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:58.480 I had flat Stanley and on your set, and I 0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:00.720 was so tempted to ask you to take a picture 0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:06.560 with flat Stanley. I was trying to be cool. I've 0:46:06.600 --> 0:46:09.319 done that for all of my kids. I'm I'm I'm 0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:12.239 a sucker for a flat stay like yeah, well we ended. 0:46:12.320 --> 0:46:14.920 I took a photo of Flat Stanley outside like one 0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:19.160 of the trailers on set anyway. Um, but yeah, working 0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:20.880 with you and Billy Bob, you know, I definitely had 0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:24.520 that imposter moment where I was like, something's wrong, like 0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:27.680 they think I'm somebody else. But I just can't thank 0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:30.759 you enough for being a part of this. Well, I'm 0:46:30.880 --> 0:46:34.319 really I was so glad to be a part of 0:46:34.360 --> 0:46:40.279 it and just really looking forward to see where it 0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:44.760 goes from here, which is going to be exciting. Yeah, yeah, 0:46:44.920 --> 0:46:48.040 I agree. I think it's only up from here. And um, 0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:50.560 you know, we wouldn't have had the success that we've 0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:54.040 had without people such as yourself and Billy Bob and 0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:56.840 Miranda and I just I can't thank you enough for 0:46:56.960 --> 0:46:59.879 working with me and taking a chance for me. Thank you, Sar, 0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:05.560 and you did such a great job and we all 0:47:05.600 --> 0:47:09.120 have something to be proud of, I believe. I agree. 0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:14.040 I agree, Well, thanks for doing this and you're beat. Yeah, 0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:17.719 and I will talk to you soon, Okay, make it 0:47:17.760 --> 0:47:22.520 up as you go. We go, that's right. Are you 0:47:22.560 --> 0:47:25.719 gonna be a huge piece of this project? Is the 0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:28.839 Bobby Bones, who was one of the best known media 0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:32.480 personalities and producers in the music world, has had number 0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:37.399 one best selling books. Um. But Bobby was kind enough 0:47:37.840 --> 0:47:39.440 to sit down with us and talk about why he 0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:42.279 got involved in this project and how this story resonated 0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:46.600 with him. Hey, Bobby high school, Like good to see you, 0:47:46.600 --> 0:47:50.399 Good to see you too. Um, So it's it's it's 0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:52.960 good to see you again after like wrapping the show 0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:55.080 and everything, and I just can't thank you enough for 0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:58.760 being a part of it. But I guess my first 0:47:58.840 --> 0:48:04.720 question for you, as and nobody in Nashville when before 0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:09.799 this project developed, like what what brought you into this 0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:12.200 and what made you? I mean, I know what happened 0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:14.200 behind the scenes, but what in your gut made you 0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:18.000 want to do this project or how did this happen? 0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:20.640 Why are we well? I felt like it was just 0:48:21.280 --> 0:48:23.840 as much as it was a fictional story, it really 0:48:23.920 --> 0:48:26.959 wasn't you know. I mean, it was a fictional story 0:48:26.960 --> 0:48:28.640 that we told, but it was really the story of 0:48:29.440 --> 0:48:35.400 so many people, so many strong women singer songwriter artists 0:48:36.840 --> 0:48:39.359 and kind of the saga that they go through. And 0:48:39.680 --> 0:48:42.799 you know, for me, I've I've tried to champion that 0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:46.160 as much as I can on the radio and touring um, 0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:48.279 and so I felt like this was another avenue because 0:48:48.320 --> 0:48:50.359 not only was it super entertaining, and you know, we 0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:51.719 were doing something that not a lot of folks that 0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:55.439 even tried, especially with the music part of and releasing music, 0:48:55.480 --> 0:48:57.800 but you know, I just felt like that it was 0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:00.600 really good and so all that together for me, it 0:49:00.600 --> 0:49:02.520 was kind of a no brainer to not only be 0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:04.440 on it and use my voice a little bit like 0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:07.440 because I'm on the podcast, but also to promote it 0:49:07.520 --> 0:49:08.920 and you know, to be a part of it. So 0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:10.799 I'm very proud of it. I mean, you did such 0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:13.680 a great job. How do you feel now that you 0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:15.759 know the season is over and a lot of people 0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:18.400 have consumed it and shre like, what is your feeling? 0:49:19.080 --> 0:49:21.960 M I'm not gonna let you turn this around, Bobby. 0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:25.000 I know this is your this is what you do. 0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:28.279 But I guess I'll quickly answer it. I've just Um, 0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:31.160 I'm so proud of it. I'm so proud of what 0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:34.920 we've created, and every person involved is just so incredibly 0:49:34.960 --> 0:49:38.399 talented in their own way, and like, um, I knew 0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:42.799 we had something great whenever I read the script, and 0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:45.520 I think just the way that David Hudgens writes, I 0:49:45.560 --> 0:49:50.840 think it spoke to a lot of our talent involved, 0:49:50.880 --> 0:49:53.319 including Miranda, because they he had that you know, he 0:49:53.360 --> 0:49:56.040 wrote Friday Night Lights and that tells the story of 0:49:56.120 --> 0:49:59.640 Friday Night Football, and I think he kind of like 0:49:59.680 --> 0:50:04.239 sit all stories that aren't so um commercial, like the 0:50:04.320 --> 0:50:07.719 songwriter behind the hit song or the Friday night football game, 0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:11.840 not the NFL football player. You know. So I think, Um, 0:50:11.880 --> 0:50:14.520 I'm just so proud of it and ready for season two. Well, 0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:17.120 let me ask you one other thing. Was there anybody 0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:20.759 that you worked with that you were like, Wow, this 0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:22.560 is really cool like it to actually worked with this person. 0:50:24.360 --> 0:50:28.799 Um that I'm not. It's not like there's a blank there. 0:50:28.840 --> 0:50:34.600 There's several people that I'm thinking of, including yourself obviously Miranda. 0:50:34.680 --> 0:50:39.279 I mean, it's it's just so full circle because like 0:50:40.800 --> 0:50:45.040 I was learning her songs on you know, guitar whenever 0:50:45.160 --> 0:50:50.120 I like like, um, I mean, and then and then 0:50:50.120 --> 0:50:52.359 we put that into one of the lyrics about how like, 0:50:52.920 --> 0:50:54.920 you know, your songs kind of keep you company if 0:50:54.920 --> 0:50:56.840 you're in a new place or if you're by yourself. 0:50:56.960 --> 0:50:59.959 And so she in her own way like her music 0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:02.520 music like kept me company. Whenever I was like in 0:51:02.560 --> 0:51:05.759 a new city. So for her to come to cut 0:51:05.800 --> 0:51:08.279 that song when that's what that song is about, just 0:51:09.400 --> 0:51:15.400 blew me away. But um, do you think that there's like, um, 0:51:17.120 --> 0:51:21.120 I like this year in country radio country music, like 0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:24.560 who do you feel like are some standout female acts 0:51:24.600 --> 0:51:29.839 because I know you're like such a force behind those voices, 0:51:30.080 --> 0:51:34.239 and like, like, who's who's a standout country honest this 0:51:34.320 --> 0:51:37.960 year aside from me, aside from you, you know you 0:51:38.080 --> 0:51:41.200 always have and I'll just talk about you know, the 0:51:41.239 --> 0:51:44.319 strong women. Trust me, guys are getting enough enough accolades. 0:51:45.000 --> 0:51:50.120 Um obviously Mirandon carry right like they are just dominating 0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:54.000 year after a year. But when you look at someone 0:51:54.000 --> 0:51:56.839 who's climbing up there with him as Marion Morris and 0:51:57.120 --> 0:51:59.839 quickly a quick ascent up and then you get down 0:52:00.000 --> 0:52:04.120 into you know, the real the newcomers who are starting 0:52:04.160 --> 0:52:06.719 to you know, make that first splash and maybe they 0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:09.000 don't have big radio hits yet, but you know, Maren 0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:11.200 put out a whole ep before she had a hit 0:52:11.239 --> 0:52:13.160 on the radio, and so you can see some folks 0:52:13.160 --> 0:52:15.879 doing that now. You know. Cassie Ashton is somebody who 0:52:16.200 --> 0:52:18.000 I've known for a few years. And I'm just like, man, 0:52:18.120 --> 0:52:20.640 she is one song away from not just having a hit, 0:52:20.680 --> 0:52:23.440 but from being a superstar because she's such an artist. Um. 0:52:23.640 --> 0:52:25.520 You know, you talk about new artists too. There's an 0:52:25.520 --> 0:52:30.160 Australian girl named Nikita Carmen who is just she's just 0:52:30.200 --> 0:52:32.640 so different like she you know, she's not in your face, 0:52:32.880 --> 0:52:35.640 she's not a big loud singer, um, but there's a 0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:40.440 real preciousness to her, her tone, to how she writes. 0:52:40.880 --> 0:52:42.640 And I think, you know, to to really make it, 0:52:42.640 --> 0:52:44.799 you got to be different, um. And you know, I 0:52:44.840 --> 0:52:48.120 think that just whenever you look at the landscape of 0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:50.120 what's happened in a weird year. You know, a lot 0:52:50.160 --> 0:52:52.000 of friends to put out in music in twenty twenty, 0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:54.080 and it's just like, well, it kind of existed, but 0:52:54.080 --> 0:52:56.000 we were so focused on the news and so focused 0:52:56.000 --> 0:52:59.320 on you know, being locked in our houses and rightfully 0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:02.560 so right a lot of stuff got glossed over. So 0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:04.839 it's a weird a year to to have to look 0:53:04.840 --> 0:53:07.640 back and judge. But some people really performed fantastically in 0:53:07.760 --> 0:53:11.400 Marin Carrie, Miranda, you know, Cassie, Nikita there who come 0:53:11.400 --> 0:53:15.000 to mind right now? Right, yeah, I am I feel 0:53:15.000 --> 0:53:19.000 like there was that what we missed this year was 0:53:19.040 --> 0:53:22.960 if you're a newer, up and coming artist, you missed 0:53:22.960 --> 0:53:26.759 that opportunity to connect with your audience or a new audience. 0:53:27.200 --> 0:53:29.480 And I can't remember how I was having this conversation 0:53:29.520 --> 0:53:32.959 with the other day, but it was about how this 0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:37.600 project in a way created a connection between the music 0:53:37.680 --> 0:53:40.040 and the listener and like a new audience in a way. 0:53:40.120 --> 0:53:43.880 So even though we didn't have a live performance aspect 0:53:43.920 --> 0:53:47.279 of it, we kind of created this different way of 0:53:47.680 --> 0:53:54.960 of you know, reaching a a listener um. But yeah, 0:53:55.040 --> 0:53:58.279 the story of Scarlett, you know, and make it up 0:53:58.360 --> 0:54:01.440 and I look at the parallels with other artists and 0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:06.920 she's a little she's a lot more as a songwriter now, 0:54:06.960 --> 0:54:09.520 but I just see like a Caitlin Smith who comes 0:54:09.520 --> 0:54:12.759 to my mind, who is such a great songwriter and 0:54:12.840 --> 0:54:17.040 just but has such a distinct voice as well. And 0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:19.200 just talking about the records we're talking about. She put 0:54:19.239 --> 0:54:23.440 out a fantastic record in twenty twenty and it I 0:54:23.520 --> 0:54:26.000 believe it came out of March or April, but again 0:54:26.600 --> 0:54:29.160 that was right when our world was changing, and you know, 0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:32.640 then she put out a bonus, you know, the deluxe 0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:34.759 version with you know, I put a whole dominion on 0:54:34.800 --> 0:54:39.680 it's fantastic, But you know, I think they've done wonderfully. 0:54:39.760 --> 0:54:41.360 I think that there are a lot of artists, and 0:54:41.440 --> 0:54:44.760 I hope people will recommend the podcast of their friends too. 0:54:44.960 --> 0:54:46.440 You know, I think word of mouth is such an 0:54:46.440 --> 0:54:51.000 important part of the growth of any creative endeavor. Sure, 0:54:51.080 --> 0:54:53.200 I can talk about it on my show, and you know, 0:54:53.239 --> 0:54:55.799 but when your friend recommends something to you check you 0:54:55.880 --> 0:54:58.080 check it out. Like on Netflix, if somebody was like, hey, 0:54:58.080 --> 0:55:00.239 you gotta check out the Queen's Gambit, which they did, 0:55:00.280 --> 0:55:02.799 I wouldn't have checked it out unless somebody I trusted. Right, 0:55:02.800 --> 0:55:05.200 Hopefully people are listening to us talk well, we'll actually 0:55:05.200 --> 0:55:07.640 recommend this to one of their friends. Yeah, I was. 0:55:07.760 --> 0:55:11.840 I was a little nervous um of you know, how 0:55:12.080 --> 0:55:15.200 Nashville and the country radio or country music scene would 0:55:17.520 --> 0:55:20.920 accept this project and what the response would be. And 0:55:21.000 --> 0:55:23.080 so I feel like we've just had such an incredible 0:55:23.120 --> 0:55:26.360 response and everybody's ready for a season two and wanting 0:55:26.400 --> 0:55:29.200 to know what happens to Well, I don't say anything 0:55:29.200 --> 0:55:32.920 in case anybody watching has it listened to the last episode, 0:55:33.000 --> 0:55:38.120 But but that said, do you feel like I mean, 0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:43.399 do you see more artists wanting to use podcasting as 0:55:43.440 --> 0:55:46.400 a way of releasing new music after something like COVID 0:55:46.440 --> 0:55:49.880 has happened. You know, I think that it takes something 0:55:50.280 --> 0:55:52.759 to be a success to make everybody go oh, I'd 0:55:52.760 --> 0:55:56.319 also like that success, right, And I think with you know, 0:55:56.400 --> 0:55:59.160 Miranda putting out such a great song, I think with 0:55:59.480 --> 0:56:02.799 the podcast doing so well, any people would be would 0:56:02.800 --> 0:56:06.440 be crazy not to look at these non traditional ways 0:56:06.640 --> 0:56:09.120 to promote themselves or their amused. They would be crazy, 0:56:09.160 --> 0:56:13.000 not too um. But again, it takes someone with a 0:56:13.040 --> 0:56:15.360 little bit of foresight to identify that this could be 0:56:15.400 --> 0:56:17.839 a tool that would you know, be effective for them. 0:56:17.840 --> 0:56:20.360 And I credit a man, credit Miranda. I credit yourself 0:56:21.080 --> 0:56:23.359 to seeing that that it's actually worth the time. I mean, 0:56:23.400 --> 0:56:25.280 I've got a whole podcast network. I've got an eleven 0:56:25.320 --> 0:56:27.560 podcasts on my network of all these different shows, and 0:56:27.600 --> 0:56:31.040 I see the power of podcasts, and I see that 0:56:31.600 --> 0:56:34.720 just because it's not on, you know, a radio station, 0:56:35.320 --> 0:56:36.799 some of the podcasts that are on my network are 0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:39.879 as big as radio stations. Just for the podcast there 0:56:40.080 --> 0:56:43.200 are there are numbers, and all we're competing for now 0:56:43.200 --> 0:56:45.359 are people's eyes and ears. And however, you get them 0:56:45.719 --> 0:56:48.479 is getting them, So I hope so, But what's gonna 0:56:48.520 --> 0:56:51.560 happen is this podcast is a success, there'll be some more. 0:56:51.760 --> 0:56:53.680 But then everybody's gonna want to do it, and then 0:56:53.719 --> 0:56:56.200 you're gonna have everybody release some musical podcasts and this 0:56:56.400 --> 0:56:58.200 is gonna be But so I would hope that they 0:56:58.200 --> 0:56:59.520 get in on it while it's still, you know, a 0:56:59.520 --> 0:57:02.480 pretty new thing. Well, hopefully those artists will come our 0:57:02.520 --> 0:57:07.480 way and be a part of season two. So tell 0:57:07.520 --> 0:57:10.600 me about like the impact of Miranda on country like 0:57:11.200 --> 0:57:13.319 this and is this your first time working with her 0:57:13.360 --> 0:57:19.160 as a producer or what's yeah as a producer. Yeah, absolutely, 0:57:19.600 --> 0:57:21.840 I mean her impact on countries. First of all, she's 0:57:21.880 --> 0:57:25.040 as biggest superstar as a country music cast. That being said, 0:57:25.120 --> 0:57:27.640 she she's been able to do the thing of you know, 0:57:27.720 --> 0:57:30.040 she went a few years without a big hit but 0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:34.280 was still able to have massive success because hit single hits, 0:57:34.400 --> 0:57:37.440 that's not all the matters, right. You know, she did 0:57:37.520 --> 0:57:42.840 a double record that was so good and such a 0:57:42.920 --> 0:57:45.800 piece of art that it didn't really have a radio 0:57:45.840 --> 0:57:48.200 song on it, but it wasn't really supposed to, right, 0:57:48.760 --> 0:57:50.520 you know, when everyone's like, man, it's been five years 0:57:50.560 --> 0:57:52.080 since Miranda's had a hit. I'm like, yeah, but no 0:57:52.120 --> 0:57:54.120 one has put out a record like that or with 0:57:54.280 --> 0:57:58.880 that success. So you know, Miranda's always being the yang 0:57:58.960 --> 0:58:01.840 to a lot of folks see um, you know when 0:58:01.880 --> 0:58:04.800 they zig she's aggs and she continued to do that 0:58:04.880 --> 0:58:08.880 and maintain being able to maintain the megaforce that she is. 0:58:08.880 --> 0:58:10.400 So just to work with Randy and I know we're 0:58:10.440 --> 0:58:13.520 a bit as well, and she's just fantastic and you know, 0:58:13.600 --> 0:58:17.360 as I would say, even nicer away from a microphone 0:58:17.440 --> 0:58:21.320 or a guitar as she is on Um, She's just 0:58:21.360 --> 0:58:22.920 a really good person. And I think that's what I'm 0:58:22.920 --> 0:58:26.760 mostly a fan of. Absolutely. I mean, she's her career 0:58:26.880 --> 0:58:30.320 is is um. You know, it's really been something to 0:58:30.400 --> 0:58:32.400 follow it and I kind of feel like, you know, 0:58:32.440 --> 0:58:36.760 she related to the story of Charlotte Seals leaving leaving Texas. 0:58:36.920 --> 0:58:40.840 But um, but okay, all that said, I have one 0:58:40.880 --> 0:58:45.240 last question for you. All right, as you know we're 0:58:46.360 --> 0:58:49.280 you know, having the conversations of developing it into a 0:58:49.320 --> 0:58:55.960 TV series, who do you see playing Bobby Bones? Well, 0:58:56.000 --> 0:59:00.600 hopefully not me. I have too much then you'd have 0:59:00.640 --> 0:59:03.960 to audition. I have too many jobs. If here's the thing, 0:59:04.000 --> 0:59:06.280 it doesn't It would be amazing. However, if I have 0:59:06.400 --> 0:59:10.320 to go and audition and try to get the job, 0:59:10.360 --> 0:59:12.560 that means my other shows aren't working and they failed. 0:59:13.680 --> 0:59:16.479 So now the character's name is gonna be Bobby Bones. 0:59:16.520 --> 0:59:18.960 So you'll just be auditioning. We'll see how well you 0:59:18.960 --> 0:59:21.760 can act as yourself. You know, I would maybe like 0:59:21.920 --> 0:59:25.720 a what was who's the guy from Gossip Girl? Adam 0:59:25.760 --> 0:59:29.480 Brody says, yeah, I can see that, but yeah, like 0:59:29.640 --> 0:59:31.360 put some glasses on it. He's better looking than night 0:59:31.400 --> 0:59:34.000 and we always want someone, you know, to play a 0:59:34.040 --> 0:59:36.480 better looking version of you, So I would definitely try 0:59:36.480 --> 0:59:40.040 to take it up a notch. So you know, I 0:59:40.080 --> 0:59:42.640 think or the guy that plays Dexter is a little 0:59:42.680 --> 0:59:44.240 older than me, but he kind of has the same 0:59:44.240 --> 0:59:46.600 look that I do. Yeah, you guys do. Yeah, I 0:59:46.640 --> 0:59:48.920 didn't think about that before. We all do have like 0:59:49.240 --> 0:59:52.480 similar features. So one of those two guys probably, if 0:59:52.480 --> 0:59:59.440 not those two Denzel, I know. I'm sure Jared is 1:00:00.160 --> 1:00:03.800 is noting all of this for our past wish lists, 1:00:04.360 --> 1:00:06.479 but it'll be an easy one to get. He's always 1:00:06.520 --> 1:00:08.600 wanted to play me, so he's probably just waiting for 1:00:08.640 --> 1:00:13.120 that call. Oh, buy a phone. Yeah, yeah, maybe we 1:00:13.120 --> 1:00:14.919 should just go ahead and make that call. Now, we'll 1:00:14.920 --> 1:00:18.600 do it on your show. Give me a number, I'll 1:00:18.600 --> 1:00:20.800 call them. Well, listen, let me say to you, congratulations. 1:00:21.040 --> 1:00:22.880 You just did such a fantastic job. I know that 1:00:22.960 --> 1:00:26.439 anytime you approach something new artistically, there's always risk, there's 1:00:26.480 --> 1:00:29.880 always nerves, and there's always that moment when it goes 1:00:29.960 --> 1:00:32.360 out to folks. You know what's happened with me with 1:00:32.640 --> 1:00:35.160 books and radio shows and even new comedy material. But 1:00:35.240 --> 1:00:36.720 you're always like, Okay, now's the time where I'm going 1:00:36.720 --> 1:00:38.280 to see if people like it or not. I'm just 1:00:38.320 --> 1:00:39.560 out there. And you had to do that in such 1:00:39.560 --> 1:00:41.920 a big way, and you just did such a great job. 1:00:42.040 --> 1:00:45.200 And I hope you're you're proud of yourself for all 1:00:45.200 --> 1:00:47.880 the passion and work and also talent that you put 1:00:47.920 --> 1:00:51.840 into this. Thanks, Bobby. I appreciate that a lot. That 1:00:52.000 --> 1:00:54.880 means the world coming from you, and I can't I 1:00:54.920 --> 1:00:56.880 know he wouldn't have had the success we've had with 1:00:56.920 --> 1:00:59.000 this project if you hadn't been involved, and you were. 1:00:59.520 --> 1:01:01.600 You were there from the get go, and I just 1:01:01.600 --> 1:01:03.640 can't thank you enough for being a part of this 1:01:03.760 --> 1:01:06.840 and taking time to you know, talk about the project 1:01:06.920 --> 1:01:10.400 today and before we dive into you know, the holiday 1:01:10.400 --> 1:01:13.200 break and whatnot. But um, yeah, thank you so much 1:01:13.240 --> 1:01:17.600 for um talking community. Good enun to you. Always good 1:01:17.600 --> 1:01:22.720 to see you, and you know, Jared and Nicole Gallian Randa, 1:01:23.080 --> 1:01:24.840 you know, I could keep going. Like you said, there's 1:01:24.880 --> 1:01:28.680 so many people just a plus to you guys. It 1:01:28.800 --> 1:01:30.680 was a thrill to just be able to, you know, 1:01:31.000 --> 1:01:33.360 watch the masters at work. So thank you for letting 1:01:33.400 --> 1:01:35.000 me a part of it. And hopefully I'll talk to 1:01:35.040 --> 1:01:38.720 you soon. All right, talk soon, all right, bye bye. Hi. 1:01:39.880 --> 1:01:43.720 The art world it is essentially a money laundering business. 1:01:44.200 --> 1:01:46.960 The best fakes are still hanging off people's walls. You know, 1:01:47.080 --> 1:01:50.600 they don't even know or suspect that they're fakes. I'm 1:01:50.640 --> 1:01:55.040 Alec Baldwin and this is a podcast about deception, greed 1:01:55.120 --> 1:01:58.080 and forgery in the art world. You knew that the 1:01:58.080 --> 1:02:05.640 painting was fake. Listen to Art Frauds starting February first 1:02:05.760 --> 1:02:10.280 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get 1:02:10.320 --> 1:02:21.240 your podcasts. Hi. 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Sony Music is the record label for 1:04:22.280 --> 1:04:25.200 this project, and they ran a contest for one lucky 1:04:25.200 --> 1:04:28.680 fan to get into a conversation with me, which is 1:04:28.800 --> 1:04:33.440 crazy because I've never had fans up until now. I 1:04:33.520 --> 1:04:36.000 was very excited to share the insights that I had 1:04:36.040 --> 1:04:38.600 into what it takes to become a songwriter in Nashville, 1:04:39.200 --> 1:04:42.040 especially as somebody who's experienced it. You know, firsthand this 1:04:42.080 --> 1:04:45.920 past year, so I'm extremely happy to share this conversation 1:04:46.000 --> 1:04:50.760 with you all. Hey, Angela, thank you so much for 1:04:51.240 --> 1:04:53.520 you know, submitting to the contest, and thank you so 1:04:53.600 --> 1:04:56.960 much for tuning into the project. You know, we weren't 1:04:57.080 --> 1:05:02.080 quite sure how, you know, would our listeners would respond, 1:05:02.200 --> 1:05:04.000 so thank you so much for being a fan of 1:05:04.040 --> 1:05:07.360 the show. Of course, thank you so much for having me. 1:05:07.480 --> 1:05:10.720 I mean, I'm just I can't believe that I want 1:05:10.760 --> 1:05:15.320 this contest. I just enter just to hopefully see what happens, 1:05:15.440 --> 1:05:19.000 and here we are. A Well, I'm so glad that 1:05:19.040 --> 1:05:23.840 you did. You said that you're a songwriter yourself, so 1:05:24.040 --> 1:05:27.760 is that something Is that what really trained you about 1:05:27.800 --> 1:05:32.080 the show? Or yes'm I would love to pursue a 1:05:32.120 --> 1:05:36.960 career in songwriting. I've been songwriting for a few years now, 1:05:37.080 --> 1:05:40.920 just really getting focused into it. And yes, when I 1:05:40.960 --> 1:05:44.400 heard about the podcast, I just I knew I had 1:05:44.440 --> 1:05:47.240 to listen to it because there probably aren't a lot 1:05:47.240 --> 1:05:50.640 of podcasts and not a lot of you know, like 1:05:50.760 --> 1:05:54.040 information about what goes on behind the scenes, so I 1:05:54.120 --> 1:06:00.200 know that it is a tough industry to get into. Sorry, yeah, 1:06:00.440 --> 1:06:03.560 but what did you feel like you connected to the 1:06:03.640 --> 1:06:07.640 most with Charlotte about I feel like there was a 1:06:07.640 --> 1:06:12.160 lot of parallels with Charlotte and I m including, you know, 1:06:12.360 --> 1:06:21.640 the pressure of being the best and just invading music rope, 1:06:21.680 --> 1:06:29.760 you know. I yeah, here, I am a girl and 1:06:30.200 --> 1:06:33.640 from the West the you know, a songwriter or a singer, 1:06:33.920 --> 1:06:38.000 you know, just making it in the business. So yeah, 1:06:38.000 --> 1:06:40.480 I feel like Charlotte and I do have a lot 1:06:40.480 --> 1:06:45.880 of similarities with that absolutely well. The thing nowadays everybody 1:06:45.920 --> 1:06:49.280 being on Zoom, it's like you can be you can 1:06:49.320 --> 1:06:55.200 be writing from anywhere and and we're all working remote least. 1:06:55.240 --> 1:06:57.880 It's kind of I feel like it takes I know 1:06:57.880 --> 1:06:59.720 what I'm feeling is though, because I lived in LA 1:06:59.840 --> 1:07:04.360 for thirteen years, so I've had that same kind of 1:07:04.440 --> 1:07:08.080 nervous approach. Even though I come from a country Texas background, 1:07:07.920 --> 1:07:11.880 I just had the same nervousness of like, oh gosh, 1:07:11.920 --> 1:07:13.880 here I am coming from the West Coast, are they 1:07:13.880 --> 1:07:19.320 going to take them seriously? And you know, but you 1:07:19.360 --> 1:07:24.080 just let your music speak for itself, and I mean 1:07:24.120 --> 1:07:26.080 I hope so yeah, I mean, I do write from 1:07:26.120 --> 1:07:30.320 personal experience and you know, life experience, So I hope 1:07:30.480 --> 1:07:34.080 you know what you've done and what Miranda has Done, 1:07:34.120 --> 1:07:37.560 and Carrie Underwood and Marion Morris and all those people 1:07:37.600 --> 1:07:40.640 that I love that I look up to as singer songwriters. 1:07:40.680 --> 1:07:45.600 You know I do that absolutely. Well, that's what makes 1:07:45.600 --> 1:07:49.240 a good country writing or country music story first, you 1:07:49.240 --> 1:07:52.520 know for sure. So did you have any questions for 1:07:52.600 --> 1:08:00.480 me about storyline the characters? YEA concerned. I know that 1:08:00.520 --> 1:08:03.760 this was a scripted podcast. How did that come about? 1:08:03.760 --> 1:08:07.600 Like how you know, were you really thinking about doing 1:08:07.600 --> 1:08:10.840 the scripted podcast at first? Like how did you finalize 1:08:10.840 --> 1:08:14.560 the script at the end. Well, the songs actually came first, 1:08:14.800 --> 1:08:19.840 and I had written this. There's a six songs from 1:08:20.120 --> 1:08:23.400 the soundtrack that were just ones that I had written 1:08:23.439 --> 1:08:26.400 on my own, even just in my bedroom by myself 1:08:26.479 --> 1:08:32.880 for in a session in Nashville that we're uf ma 1:08:33.040 --> 1:08:37.040 say some myself decent songs, but not not quiet country radio. 1:08:38.320 --> 1:08:43.400 So Jared Goodstatt, who created the podcast and the whole 1:08:43.400 --> 1:08:47.880 project with me and producer on the album, he said, 1:08:48.000 --> 1:08:50.880 let's just record your songs and you know we'll find 1:08:51.600 --> 1:08:53.840 we'll find a place for him because he comes from 1:08:53.840 --> 1:08:59.439 a world of sync music. And so yeah, the songs 1:08:59.439 --> 1:09:02.880 were recorded at first, They were written just over the years, 1:09:02.960 --> 1:09:05.559 just from my life experiences, and then there was this 1:09:06.160 --> 1:09:09.000 sort of natural story arc that developed once we had 1:09:09.000 --> 1:09:12.240 the six songs on the EP. So then we took 1:09:13.000 --> 1:09:15.280 the music and basically just played it for our writer 1:09:15.400 --> 1:09:19.080 David Hudgens and his son Brooks Hudgens, and and they 1:09:19.400 --> 1:09:22.760 wrote based off the songs. So usually it's the other 1:09:22.760 --> 1:09:27.000 way around, and so it was fun to do it 1:09:27.040 --> 1:09:30.920 this way. Wow, that is so interesting. That is so cool. 1:09:31.080 --> 1:09:35.160 Oh my god, that's me. I don't know, I just 1:09:35.360 --> 1:09:37.640 you know, that's the thing with songwriting is you know, 1:09:37.760 --> 1:09:39.640 you just like when you feel the inspiration, you just 1:09:39.680 --> 1:09:42.519 write and then sometimes you find a home for them 1:09:42.560 --> 1:09:46.559 and it could be next week, it could be five 1:09:46.640 --> 1:09:51.000 years from now. But that's really the story behind the 1:09:51.479 --> 1:09:55.720 music and the story arc of Nagative This week go yeah, 1:09:55.760 --> 1:09:58.920 So did you have these songs, you know, stashed away 1:09:59.280 --> 1:10:05.800 for years months? Yeah, like Breathe Tyler Rich and I 1:10:05.840 --> 1:10:11.120 wrote that with Jared Goodstatum like two years ago, and 1:10:12.640 --> 1:10:15.200 so I wanted to bring it into the soundtracks. I was. 1:10:15.400 --> 1:10:17.640 I was always a fan of that one in particular, 1:10:17.960 --> 1:10:21.640 and we needed a fictional radio hit in the storyline 1:10:22.600 --> 1:10:27.559 due to licensing fees and um, so we decided to 1:10:27.600 --> 1:10:29.519 just you know, why I pay for a song when 1:10:29.520 --> 1:10:32.759 we're songwriters and we can just you know, it's already fictional, 1:10:32.880 --> 1:10:36.280 so let's just make a fictional radio hit. So Breathe 1:10:36.479 --> 1:10:40.080 the song with Tyler Rich that you hear Um, Charlotte 1:10:40.120 --> 1:10:43.599 and Davis perform in episode one. Tyler and I wrote 1:10:43.600 --> 1:10:45.880 that a couple of years ago, and I just wanted 1:10:45.880 --> 1:10:50.040 to find a home for it. And then the other 1:10:50.080 --> 1:10:52.920 songs were the same same thing. Want to that we 1:10:53.000 --> 1:10:56.920 were that We're written for the project We're Champion, which 1:10:56.960 --> 1:11:02.120 Miranda sings, and then working out cut by Lindsay l Oh, 1:11:02.160 --> 1:11:05.800 my god, that is so cool. Thanks, what do you? 1:11:09.200 --> 1:11:16.960 It was the most difficult part about doing list Quarantine, 1:11:19.720 --> 1:11:22.080 just off the top of my head. Um, we were 1:11:22.120 --> 1:11:26.840 shipping mics all over the country. U Michael Raymond James 1:11:26.840 --> 1:11:30.639 who plays Marshall, he lives on the East Coast, so 1:11:31.520 --> 1:11:36.960 we shipped him a microphone and we dropped microphones around 1:11:36.960 --> 1:11:41.599 Los Angeles to talent with like the sanitizing kit and everything, um, 1:11:43.439 --> 1:11:47.880 going through all the you know before with acting and 1:11:48.000 --> 1:11:51.479 you could and in music, like, I feel like this 1:11:51.520 --> 1:11:53.880 situation has made us all become so like you have 1:11:54.000 --> 1:11:57.080 to learn how to use all this technology or else 1:11:57.080 --> 1:12:01.639 you're gonna fall behind. So there were some growing pains 1:12:01.720 --> 1:12:06.080 with myself and some of percast trying to figure out 1:12:06.680 --> 1:12:10.680 you know, uploading files to drop Box, I mean, and 1:12:11.080 --> 1:12:15.840 incredible actors, but you know we're not the most tech 1:12:15.920 --> 1:12:22.080 savvy bunch. But um that yeah, that was the most 1:12:22.160 --> 1:12:27.400 challenging part of it. And um yeah, off the top 1:12:27.400 --> 1:12:36.200 of my head. And Marshal it is hysterical, like his 1:12:36.360 --> 1:12:41.160 sense of hysterical. He's pretty. Uh, he's pretty he's pretty 1:12:41.200 --> 1:12:43.559 quick witted and a lot of that. He did a 1:12:43.560 --> 1:12:47.800 lot of improvising and it would he's such an incredible 1:12:47.840 --> 1:12:51.680 actor and he like stays in it and and this 1:12:51.760 --> 1:12:54.200 has honestly been like the best acting class of my life, 1:12:54.200 --> 1:12:56.439 getting to work with actors such as him. But like 1:12:58.040 --> 1:13:02.439 they am, it's just yeah, we just we just had 1:13:02.439 --> 1:13:04.280 a lot of fun doing this. And it's kind of 1:13:04.280 --> 1:13:10.360 like there's this element of goofy it that is on 1:13:10.400 --> 1:13:12.960 top of it doing our seems like over zoom. It's 1:13:13.000 --> 1:13:18.160 just funny like and so um kind of it worked 1:13:18.160 --> 1:13:19.600 out so much better than I thought it would be. 1:13:19.600 --> 1:13:23.360 But yes, he's he's definitely. Uh he and I think 1:13:23.360 --> 1:13:28.240 Apollo cracked me up. Oh my god. Yes, what was 1:13:28.280 --> 1:13:31.800 your favorite part about doing this podcast? Oh? Getting to 1:13:31.840 --> 1:13:34.800 work with such incredible talent, I mean getting to work 1:13:34.840 --> 1:13:39.599 with Miranda and you know, Billy, Bob and Dennis of course. 1:13:39.720 --> 1:13:43.840 I mean that's been that's been so rewarding. But most 1:13:43.920 --> 1:13:47.960 fault's telling the songwriter story. That's been my favorite part. 1:13:48.000 --> 1:13:52.320 And and bringing that story to you know, a new audience, 1:13:52.400 --> 1:13:56.880 and and seeing all the support I mean we're getting, 1:13:56.920 --> 1:14:00.800 we're gearing up for season two, so I think did 1:14:00.880 --> 1:14:05.840 something right? Yeah, oh yes you did. You did definitely, 1:14:06.520 --> 1:14:10.600 thank you. What do you think is the most you know, 1:14:11.000 --> 1:14:16.120 you have any advice? What do you how would you 1:14:16.200 --> 1:14:20.760 handle music city like in your opinion? You know, because 1:14:20.760 --> 1:14:24.519 I know Nashville is pretty cut throat, so oh it's 1:14:24.640 --> 1:14:30.559 advice for it's you know, it's like, I think it 1:14:30.600 --> 1:14:33.240 feels cut throat because of the pressure that we put 1:14:33.280 --> 1:14:36.960 on ourselves, but really it's there's so many, so many 1:14:36.960 --> 1:14:42.120 incredible songwriters here that just want to write. So my 1:14:42.200 --> 1:14:47.200 advice is to just write with anyone, everyone, whoever. You know, 1:14:49.160 --> 1:14:53.440 you're going to have good sessions, bad sessions, great sessions 1:14:53.600 --> 1:14:57.000 and you don't know you won't have those experiences until 1:14:57.040 --> 1:14:58.800 you start putting one foot in front of the other. 1:14:58.840 --> 1:15:02.240 And so my advice is to just write with anyone 1:15:02.280 --> 1:15:04.880 and everyone that you can. That's you know, that's a 1:15:05.479 --> 1:15:08.960 pursuing the same thing and um and you'll see that 1:15:09.040 --> 1:15:12.840 it's not you know, the songwriters amongst each other. It 1:15:12.880 --> 1:15:14.840 doesn't feel as much cut throat because it kind of 1:15:14.880 --> 1:15:17.479 feels like, all right, we're rolling this together. Let's write 1:15:17.479 --> 1:15:20.080 together because you can't you you need each other. You know. 1:15:20.240 --> 1:15:23.200 It's not as much like acting where you're on you know, 1:15:23.800 --> 1:15:26.720 you're auditioning, you're going into these auditions. You can do 1:15:26.760 --> 1:15:29.439 that by yourself with the casting director reading the lines. 1:15:29.479 --> 1:15:33.040 But with songwriting it's so much there's so much collaborative 1:15:33.160 --> 1:15:36.360 collaboration that needs to take place and trust in the room. 1:15:38.600 --> 1:15:43.799 So that's just that's my advice as to just write 1:15:43.880 --> 1:15:47.280 with anyone and feel, you know, like you can be 1:15:47.360 --> 1:15:51.519 vulnerable with them. Vulnerability is the number one thing, and 1:15:51.720 --> 1:15:59.479 obviously trust is too, but vulnerability in order to you know, 1:16:00.160 --> 1:16:04.360 connect with the lyrics, I think is something that means 1:16:04.439 --> 1:16:07.519 do you, um, are you do you play a guitar 1:16:07.800 --> 1:16:14.720 or piano or I don't play any instruments. Um, yes, 1:16:15.800 --> 1:16:18.640 I feel like I'm with that. Um. But one of 1:16:18.760 --> 1:16:23.479 my goals is to learn to play guitar. Uh huh. 1:16:24.120 --> 1:16:27.800 My mom year years ago bought me a guitar and 1:16:27.880 --> 1:16:32.479 it just that in the corner of my room for years, 1:16:32.600 --> 1:16:36.160 and I regret. Definitely, it's there for you. It's there 1:16:36.200 --> 1:16:38.920 for you. There's you know, songwriting that there's so many 1:16:39.000 --> 1:16:41.280 different parts of it where there's somebody in the room 1:16:41.320 --> 1:16:46.360 that top lines and is the lyricist and you know, 1:16:46.520 --> 1:16:49.519 there's That's another great thing about collaborating with other writers 1:16:49.600 --> 1:16:54.720 is that you know where you feel like you might 1:16:55.880 --> 1:16:58.320 need more work, someone else in the room might have 1:16:58.400 --> 1:17:02.640 that quality and so it kind of it's together. And 1:17:04.640 --> 1:17:07.960 but I was anna melody first or um, you know 1:17:08.000 --> 1:17:12.720 what your songwriting process is? Yeah, I feel like I 1:17:12.840 --> 1:17:16.679 do melody first, or if I have like an idea 1:17:16.720 --> 1:17:18.880 about what I want the song to be written about, 1:17:19.439 --> 1:17:22.280 it's probably just like the chorus and then I write 1:17:22.320 --> 1:17:28.240 around that. So yeah, I mean I don't have a specific, 1:17:31.160 --> 1:17:35.040 you know process, it's just whatever I feel you know 1:17:35.400 --> 1:17:40.880 is right first. Yeah, that's very true to songwriting. Did 1:17:40.920 --> 1:17:44.200 you always want to be a songwriter or how did 1:17:44.240 --> 1:17:50.439 that wrote? Um, I didn't ever think of it as 1:17:50.439 --> 1:17:54.639 a career. You know, there's so many things, there's many 1:17:54.640 --> 1:17:58.519 parts of the industry that you don't think about when 1:17:58.520 --> 1:18:01.120 you're twelve with a guitar. You know, you just think 1:18:02.280 --> 1:18:05.559 I would think Leanne Ms or you know, somebody that's 1:18:05.600 --> 1:18:10.680 like on stage performing, and so the thinking of being 1:18:10.680 --> 1:18:14.160 a songwriter was not something it was. It didn't. It 1:18:15.080 --> 1:18:17.960 really wasn't until like the last within the last five years, 1:18:18.040 --> 1:18:21.160 I thought, oh, you know, I want to do this professionally. 1:18:21.760 --> 1:18:24.200 But I've been playing guitar and writing since I was 1:18:24.240 --> 1:18:26.519 about twelve or fourteen, and it was really just for 1:18:26.680 --> 1:18:30.280 fun and um, and then I started working in like 1:18:30.320 --> 1:18:36.520 the kind of commercial space and writing songs for commercials, 1:18:36.680 --> 1:18:41.320 and then it really opened up that door of opportunity 1:18:41.439 --> 1:18:46.880 and just the idea of, you know, making music for 1:18:48.200 --> 1:18:51.840 a career. It just seems like, well that that doesn't 1:18:51.840 --> 1:18:54.679 seem possible because it's it's just so fun and it's 1:18:54.800 --> 1:18:57.240 it's fun and it's easy, and you know, but that's 1:18:57.280 --> 1:19:01.000 when you know you know you're doing the right thing, right, 1:19:01.080 --> 1:19:03.120 I mean, or at least you hope you think you're 1:19:03.120 --> 1:19:07.080 doing the right thing. I know, for me, I feel 1:19:07.080 --> 1:19:09.519 like I am, but then there's like million voices in 1:19:09.560 --> 1:19:12.120 my head like no, Angela, this is a dream like 1:19:12.760 --> 1:19:16.800 m that's just going to be so far fetched. You 1:19:17.000 --> 1:19:19.040 can't you know that you can't reach and people are 1:19:19.040 --> 1:19:22.679 telling you that you're crazy. So it's just getting those 1:19:23.120 --> 1:19:27.880 voices out of my head and just yeah, good. Well 1:19:27.920 --> 1:19:30.479 that's I feel like that happens with anybody at any 1:19:30.479 --> 1:19:33.040 point in their career. There's always that kind of that 1:19:33.160 --> 1:19:35.240 voice in your head that you kind of have to 1:19:36.160 --> 1:19:39.799 put aside and and you know that's that's so normal 1:19:39.840 --> 1:19:44.400 for anybody any point in their career. UM, so my 1:19:44.479 --> 1:19:48.320 advice to you is to just keep writing. Well do 1:19:48.680 --> 1:19:58.120 I will take that. Um. One last question, Um, of 1:19:58.160 --> 1:20:03.000 the GRAMNE nominations are women, and right, UM, how do 1:20:03.000 --> 1:20:05.439 you feel about the woman in the music industry? Now? 1:20:05.600 --> 1:20:07.920 I feel like I'm you know, we are seeing an 1:20:08.080 --> 1:20:13.719 up climb, which is good. Oh gosh, I mean, it's 1:20:13.800 --> 1:20:20.160 it's about damn time. Um. You know, I I'm so 1:20:20.439 --> 1:20:26.200 proud of like my fellow you know, female writers and 1:20:26.520 --> 1:20:30.679 artists and you know for all everyone just being so 1:20:32.920 --> 1:20:36.040 just persistent with it because you could have it could 1:20:36.040 --> 1:20:39.960 have you know, they're they're all those artists. They could 1:20:40.000 --> 1:20:42.479 have just gotten so fed up with it and tired 1:20:42.560 --> 1:20:44.880 and feeling defeated, and they could have gave up. And 1:20:44.880 --> 1:20:47.720 they didn't. You know, they kept going and going and 1:20:47.760 --> 1:20:51.200 fighting to get their voice heard and fighting to get 1:20:51.240 --> 1:20:56.040 their song or voice on on country radio or any 1:20:56.160 --> 1:20:59.760 radio really, and so it's just it's just that, you know, 1:20:59.800 --> 1:21:02.680 I'm really proud of all those women for sticking with it, 1:21:02.840 --> 1:21:05.200 you know, and women in music. You know, it's like 1:21:06.680 --> 1:21:09.320 there is a change, and you know, I don't I 1:21:09.320 --> 1:21:15.000 don't think there's any reason or need to like point 1:21:15.040 --> 1:21:17.840 fingers at anybody for the way that is. It just 1:21:17.880 --> 1:21:20.040 has been. That's just been the way it has been. 1:21:20.800 --> 1:21:25.240 So I'm just so proud of, you know, these women 1:21:25.360 --> 1:21:31.440 for just you know, push them through and getting that nomination. 1:21:31.640 --> 1:21:35.880 I mean, each of their stories is I can't even imagine, 1:21:35.920 --> 1:21:38.400 you know, what they've what they've been through to to 1:21:38.400 --> 1:21:40.200 get to this point in their career. And so that 1:21:40.280 --> 1:21:42.880 was also part of what we The story one wanted 1:21:42.960 --> 1:21:47.439 to tell for um Magative as we Go is is 1:21:47.560 --> 1:21:51.840 the voice that's behind country radio because there's you know, 1:21:52.000 --> 1:21:56.040 these guys on country radio singing the words written by 1:21:56.120 --> 1:21:59.840 these amazing women in Nashville writing the songs. So you know, 1:22:00.040 --> 1:22:05.840 we wanted to to share their stories and so I mean, 1:22:06.040 --> 1:22:09.960 it's an an incredible number and I'm just so happy 1:22:10.000 --> 1:22:13.559 to see that it's changed. I know, so am. I 1:22:13.560 --> 1:22:17.519 I feel like, you know, as women, when we do 1:22:17.640 --> 1:22:20.880 put a lot of pressure on ourselves, and you know too, 1:22:22.400 --> 1:22:26.160 we put a lot of us out there, you know, 1:22:27.080 --> 1:22:30.439 a lot of ourselves out there. So you know, for 1:22:30.640 --> 1:22:37.759 these women to be nominated in this big, this big 1:22:38.160 --> 1:22:41.320 category or this big award show is just it's amazing 1:22:41.360 --> 1:22:44.200 to watch. And I just hope that, you know, we 1:22:44.280 --> 1:22:50.240 could keep that percentage getting higher. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Well 1:22:50.280 --> 1:22:53.720 it's a start and and yeah, well, thank you so 1:22:53.800 --> 1:22:58.280 much for taking time to talk with me and for 1:22:58.680 --> 1:23:03.280 listening to the project. And I just it's, you know again, 1:23:03.280 --> 1:23:06.960 it's we didn't know what kind of reaction we'd get, 1:23:07.000 --> 1:23:10.480 and my dream was to be able to reach another 1:23:10.720 --> 1:23:15.320 female songwriter and that has been you. So thank you 1:23:15.400 --> 1:23:17.800 so much. This means a lot to me, So thank you, 1:23:18.520 --> 1:23:23.000 of course, no, thank you so much for making an 1:23:23.040 --> 1:23:26.519 impact in my life and for inspiring me. And you know, 1:23:26.600 --> 1:23:30.080 I hope inspiring not just me, but many others, I'm sure, 1:23:30.720 --> 1:23:33.439 and you did such a great job, and congratulations and 1:23:33.479 --> 1:23:38.599 all the success you Thank you so much. That means well, 1:23:38.720 --> 1:23:42.720 you definitely deserve it for sure. Thank you well you 1:23:42.760 --> 1:23:48.360 get those guitar lessons going. I will I will well. 1:23:48.400 --> 1:23:51.040 Thank you so much for falling me on my journey 1:23:51.080 --> 1:23:53.360 this year. I promised there is much more to come, 1:23:53.439 --> 1:23:57.240 including a pretty amazing song, if I may say so myself, 1:23:57.320 --> 1:23:59.320 that I'm going to share with you at the end 1:23:59.360 --> 1:24:02.479 of this podcast ask called Howdy Christmas. I wrote this 1:24:02.600 --> 1:24:06.839 with my partner Jared Goodstadt, and it's performed by myself 1:24:06.920 --> 1:24:11.120 and country superstar Hailey Witters. It's been incredible getting to 1:24:11.160 --> 1:24:15.200 work with all these talented and inspiring women Lindsay l 1:24:15.320 --> 1:24:18.040 Randa Lambert and a Cold Galleon, and I cannot thank 1:24:18.080 --> 1:24:21.360 them enough. And I want to give a special shout 1:24:21.360 --> 1:24:26.120 out on that note and express support for this special, 1:24:26.439 --> 1:24:29.799 very special organization for any female artists or any female 1:24:29.840 --> 1:24:32.439 in the music business. She Is the Music is a 1:24:32.479 --> 1:24:37.840 nonprofit organization working in music to bring visibility and opportunities 1:24:37.840 --> 1:24:41.400 to women in the industry. Their three pillars include all 1:24:41.439 --> 1:24:45.479 female writing camps, the largest global database of women in 1:24:45.560 --> 1:24:49.639 music and mentorship opportunities. Visit she is the music dot 1:24:49.720 --> 1:24:52.320 org to learn more. Thanks to our sponsor, You're a 1:24:52.400 --> 1:24:54.760 leave her who helped make this project possible. Check out 1:24:54.760 --> 1:24:56.840 all the music from Making Up as we Go. And 1:24:57.000 --> 1:25:04.240 now here's howdy Christmas tree is dressed with Christmas souvenirs. 1:25:07.760 --> 1:25:16.160 Let's not let the magic disappear. And if the Christmas 1:25:16.400 --> 1:25:26.599 light never shine this bright, all always be merry. As 1:25:26.680 --> 1:25:31.000 long as I got the best boots and bells on 1:25:31.960 --> 1:25:37.840 heading home where I'm along that Tennessee ten sol all 1:25:37.960 --> 1:25:44.240 my Christmas tree, a little lenog in my whiskey dying. 1:25:44.280 --> 1:25:50.040 That's all I need to give anything. Howdy howdy Christmas 1:25:50.120 --> 1:25:59.639 to you, will to stay around that Christmas tree all 1:26:00.040 --> 1:26:08.280 only literally in my list, it's only one thing. I mean, 1:26:10.280 --> 1:26:13.880 he's spending in a differing mean stepping on my feet. 1:26:15.160 --> 1:26:18.920 I got my best boots and bells on heading home 1:26:19.000 --> 1:26:25.200 where I'm along that Tennessee tensel on my Christmas tree, 1:26:26.360 --> 1:26:32.880 a little knocking my whiskey rt on me to give 1:26:32.960 --> 1:26:39.880 me thing, Howey d Christmas to you. You can drop 1:26:39.880 --> 1:26:42.960 a couple of tunes on that talk. I can be 1:26:43.200 --> 1:26:48.240 harmed me because there ain't nothing better this holiday. You 1:26:48.479 --> 1:26:55.960 running next to me, and I'm putting him always you, 1:26:56.040 --> 1:27:13.400 and that ain't n or like christ You bro got 1:27:13.439 --> 1:27:19.040 my best boats, bells on heading home, rib along that 1:27:19.320 --> 1:27:25.280 Tennessee tensel on my Christmas tree a little like now 1:27:25.520 --> 1:27:30.439 with my whiskey rum and that's all I need to 1:27:30.560 --> 1:27:36.640 give me saying hippy Christmas to you. I got my 1:27:36.720 --> 1:27:41.120 best boats and bells on heading home way ribb along 1:27:42.120 --> 1:27:48.479 that Tennessee dil on my Christmas tree a little long 1:27:48.680 --> 1:27:54.439 with my whiskey. Not that's funny to give me singing 1:27:54.840 --> 1:28:01.160 hippy out of Christmas to you. I've got my bells 1:28:01.320 --> 1:28:08.160 on get it all where along that Tennessey tessel on 1:28:08.320 --> 1:28:16.720 a Christmas tree in the whiskey fun that's funny to 1:28:16.800 --> 1:28:23.320 give me singing Highey Christmas to you? Get the singing 1:28:23.760 --> 1:28:31.360 ay d Christmas to you? To give me singing Holley 1:28:30.479 --> 1:28:56.280 and Christmas too once the last time you took a 1:28:56.360 --> 1:28:59.400 time out. I'm Eve Rodsky, author of the New York 1:28:59.400 --> 1:29:03.320 Times Best fair Play and Find Your Unicorn Space, activists 1:29:03.320 --> 1:29:06.559 on the gender division of labor, attorney and family mediator. 1:29:06.880 --> 1:29:09.880 And I'm doctor adding a rucar A Harvard physician and 1:29:09.960 --> 1:29:13.680 medical correspondent with an expertise and the science of stress, resilience, 1:29:13.800 --> 1:29:18.280 mental health, and burnout. 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