1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Hey guys. I'm Kaylee Shore. I'm a singer songwriter in Nashville, Tennessee, 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: and I host a podcast called Too Much to Say, 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: which is very aptly titled. I write songs most of 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: the time, but I can't keep my feelings to three 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: minutes and thirty seconds. So to have a whole podcast, 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: it's just amazing. So I share stories from my music career, 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: my childhood. I've been known to read diary entries, play 8 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: unreleased songs. But no matter what I'm doing, I'm sharing 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: a strong opinion I have on something. So I share 10 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: my thoughts on everything from music to Martini's social media, 11 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: to social anxiety regrets, to risky texts, and so much more. 12 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: Sometimes I even have some really special guests on to 13 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: share their craziness and what they have too much to 14 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: Say about. So you guys can listen to new episodes 15 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: of Too Much to Say every Wednesday on the Nashville 16 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: Podcast Network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or 17 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: wherever you listen to your podcast. The Black Effect presents 18 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: features honest conversations and exclusive interviews, a space for artists, 19 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: everyday people, and listeners to amplify, elevate and empower black 20 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: voices with great conversations. Make sure to listen to The 21 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: Black Effect Presented podcast on iHeartRadio, Apple podcasts, or wherever 22 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. I'm Colleen with join me the 23 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: host of Eating Wall Broke podcasts while I eat a 24 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: meal created by self made entrepreneurs, influencers and celebrities over 25 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: a meal they once ate when they were broke. Today 26 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: I have the lovely aj Crimson, the official Princess of 27 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: comfin Asia, kink and Asia. This is the professor. We're 28 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: here on Eating Wall Broke, and today I'm gonna break 29 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 1: down my meal that got me through a time when 30 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: I was broken. Listen to Eating Wall Broke on the 31 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, on Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 32 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: Here's to Nowhere, Arizona. You don't know how bad I owe. 33 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: You didn't know. Soul of Summer Law to my best 34 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: friends became these songs. Ou stayed up all night. Here's 35 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: the mister le Daggon told me that I never hacking. 36 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: Every time you did me wrong, just put more country 37 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: in the salts out they're getting me by, So I 38 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: do it all again. Everything I had to lose you in. 39 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: Every time I think my worldlighting, it's a far before 40 00:02:50,760 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: the clown. Broken heart is always my champion, Champion. Here's 41 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: your sacrificing memories. Things I've missed, my best friend's wedding, 42 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: neither my nephew was born, and tears I poured into 43 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: the songsid I paid a prize for this life, and 44 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: I do it all lock again. Everything I had to 45 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: lose to win because every time I stayed my world righting, 46 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: it's the fall before the climb. A broken heart is 47 00:03:42,200 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: always mine, Champion, Champion, do everything in all you only 48 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: put more coudry and my soul. It's the Bible to come. 49 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: A broken heart is always man. Look at where we are, Champion, Champion, Champion. Hi, 50 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: I'm sorry atte Bark. You just listened to a snippet 51 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: of the song that I wrote with Miranda Lambert called Champion, 52 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: which she originally performed on my podcast Make It Up 53 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: as we Go. Today, I'm going to take you through 54 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: my adventure and cree doing this incredible project and all 55 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: the people who helped me bring it to life. First 56 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: up is award winning songwriter and Nicole Gallon. Nicole was 57 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: the first person that Jared I connected with when we 58 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: were putting this together because we wanted to have a 59 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: real Nashville hitmaker helped shape the musical identity. Here's a 60 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: taste of how things went down when we first started production. 61 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: Oh hi Nicole, Hi Scarlett. You know, this project came 62 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: together way way before we even had scripts. And the 63 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: first thing that you know, Scarlett and I discussed when 64 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: she came back from Nashville with the first batch of songs, was, 65 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: you know, we really want to get the authentic Nashville 66 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: co sign into this thing so that people, you know, 67 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: really understand that, you know, this is a project that 68 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: resonates with the town, and you know, this has a 69 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: writer involved who's written for some big names. And I 70 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: remember the first conversation we had with Sloan. She said, 71 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: you have to talk to Nicole. Nicole And it wasn't 72 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: like talk to these three people, she said, talked to Nicole. 73 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: So you know what would happened behind the scenes there? 74 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: Did slow and give you any heads up that these 75 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: two people would be entering your life? No, IM, you 76 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: guys know this. I think I have a word for 77 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: every year of my life, and it's like my theme 78 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: and my word for last year was Champion, and part 79 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: of that meant just explaining my territory and a lot 80 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: mainly in my career outside of the writing room, just 81 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: to and I didn't know what that looked like, but 82 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: I had shared that with Sloan, and then I just said, 83 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: please share anything that comes across your desk that you 84 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: know I might come to mind on. And there were 85 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: a few things that came up and I was like, 86 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: that isn't genuine or authentic for me, and she sent 87 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: me the deck for this for your project, and truth 88 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: be told, I kind of like marked it as unread 89 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: and it just kind of kept moving down my inbox 90 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: because it was a lot of materials and it was 91 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: I needed some peace and quiet to really look at it. 92 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: And so quite a bit of time went by and 93 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: I didn't really respond I'm sorry, But then something I 94 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: think I was on a trip and I was by 95 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: myself in a hotel room, and I was just like, 96 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,679 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go I really knock out some emails 97 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: and I found it again and that's when I got 98 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: on the phone. Was slow, and I was like, let's 99 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: talk about this because I really like this and that, 100 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: and we immediately got on the phone. I remember being 101 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: in that hotel room talking to you on the phone, Jared, 102 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: and I was I was, I'm just so glad that 103 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: I'm not so flighty that or flaky that I didn't 104 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: finish reading that email because it was I remember when 105 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: I read it, I just thought, well, if I'm not 106 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: going to do this, who is this is? So? This 107 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: is so my life already, And it felt like, you know, 108 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: from my end, it felt like kind of like an 109 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: answer to some an invitation for me to champion something. Yeah, 110 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: and just like timeline wise, like it's often in this project, 111 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: you know, I would get a call about something and 112 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: immediately called Scarlet. You won't believe it, you know, like 113 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: this crazy thing happened. I was like, this person who's 114 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: written all these like big She's gonna call you and 115 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: talk about the project. And she's like, yeah, I know 116 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: who Nicole is. So I guess Scarlett what happened next? 117 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: So it went from like phone tex she called me 118 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: and then she's like, Okay, I want to speak to 119 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: the person who's actually you know, this is revolving around 120 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: and then you guys connected, We connected, like I was 121 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: actually on my way back from Ohai writing the Taco 122 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: Bell this song, and spoke with Nicole and I was like, honestly, 123 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: Nicole was pretty intimidated to speak with you on the phone, 124 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: and because it was like you probably you know, didn't 125 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 1: know much of our background, and here we are used 126 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: to like kind of jingle writers in LA, wanting to 127 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: do this whole project, and and so whenever we spoke, 128 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: I just it felt so natural, It felt like a fit. 129 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: It felt like, you know, I think Nashville and like 130 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: one of the great things about Nashville is that it 131 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: likes to keep its traditions and then there's this other 132 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 1: part of Nashville that is evolving into you know, new 133 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: ways of releasing music, such as this project. And I 134 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 1: felt like you got it, Like you you knew what 135 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: this was, you knew what to do with it, and 136 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: you knew what you could bring to the table, you know, 137 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: not just as far as your songwriting goes, but as 138 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: far as being that bridge between us, you know, LA 139 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: folks into the Nashville world. And so, I mean, we 140 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: spoke spoke briefly about the project, and it wasn't I 141 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: didn't really want to get too detailed about here's what 142 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: the songs are going to be about, and it was 143 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: we kept it very broad of like Okay, we need 144 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: a song that kind of fits this and kind of 145 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: fits that, and then you know, it just wrote itself 146 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: kind of naturally. In the room, well, in the room 147 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: was kind of I've had two types of experiences with 148 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: these types of like setups, you know, where it's a 149 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: very specific person not just like a casual day of like, oh, 150 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 1: we're writing today. I've had instances where I've written with 151 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: people like you where the song like didn't have anything 152 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: to do with my world until five years later, or 153 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: you know, knowing, oh my god, we're going in here 154 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: like Navy seals, these work things that must work. So 155 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of like entering into the room 156 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: that day, I knew that I felt a tremendous amount 157 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: of like pressure to get like lots of stuff done, 158 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: and we ended up focusing really on two things. I mean, 159 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: how is that for both of you? Were you nervous 160 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: that we were gonna Scarlett fly all the way down 161 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: there and maybe leave empty handed? And Nicole, did you 162 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: know you know that these even that we would write 163 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: anything with intention or purpose that day? I mean, I'm 164 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: always I always have like low grade anxiety, like a 165 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: very very low level going into any right, Like I'm 166 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: about to go right with an artist right after this, 167 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: And I wake up every day that I go into 168 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: right and think, what like, I don't know what's going 169 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: to happen, But I have I just I don't know. 170 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: I think the longer I've done this, more I have. 171 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: I have confidence that what's meant to be will be 172 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: in the room. And I don't know. I didn't I 173 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: didn't feel nervous. I actually have a lot of Look 174 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: with first time collaborations, I think there's something intangible that 175 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: happens when people are a little bit on their heels 176 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: and don't really know, because I think your senses are heightened, 177 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: and therefore I think, UM, I think you just write something. 178 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: A lot of times you create something very special that 179 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: you can't recreate, maybe the fourth or tenth time you 180 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: collaborate with those people. I when I look back on, UM, 181 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot of songs for me that are really 182 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: special that we're first time collabse. So going into writing 183 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: with you guys that day, I'm sure I had confidence, 184 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: in some excitement that this could be one of those days, 185 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: and it was yeah, I had absolute confidence because you 186 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: just one song of the year. So I was like, yeah, 187 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 1: I was confident. I don't know, I was we were 188 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: definitely weren't going to be leaving empty handed. I thank god, 189 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: I've just seen you, like, you know, like when I 190 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: did the acceptance speech and whatnot, and I was like, 191 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: I think we will be fine, like um no, but 192 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: um I didn't. I didn't really know how many songs 193 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: we were gonna come out with. And my worry was 194 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: that we were gonna try to focus on I mean, 195 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: I knew this wasn't gonna happen, but I know in 196 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: the past with some of the like my trips to Nashville, 197 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 1: it's been I think I've made a mistake where I've 198 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: focused on like quantity of songs to come home with 199 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: over quality. And so that was something I really wanted 200 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: to make sure that you know, didn't happen, which you know, 201 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: like was perfect. I mean, Champion, it was kind of 202 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: like we really let it just breathe and and so 203 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: um you know, and it worked well. We got off 204 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: to a bit of a in a misdirect I could 205 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: see that like the faster song Scarlet, you know, the 206 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: way that You're songs typically roll out are more of 207 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: the finger picking, you know, mid and slow, teable, and 208 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: I could see, you know, I also freaked the hell 209 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: out of people because I come in with all this 210 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: and it was a bit of a circus that day. 211 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: We were like, we're doing the project and Bobby's involved, 212 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: and guess what, Bobby's teams coming by and they've never 213 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: heard of the project, and you know, and by the way, 214 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: we have a video camera and it's it's a lot. 215 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 1: And I've had that effect on a lot of people 216 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: where I also people in the room go, Jared's doing 217 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: all these things, and then they're also looking to be going, 218 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 1: what are we actually here for? You know? And then 219 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: I looked over to Scarlett and I was like, oh, 220 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: I thought working out the sound and really great. And 221 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: she pulled me aside and was like, we need to 222 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: figure out another song because that song is amazing, but 223 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: that's not the song that we came here to. We 224 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: didn't get, you know, we came here to get the 225 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: my Heart Will Go on big, you know, anthemic moment. 226 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: I think that. I mean you asked about confidence or 227 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: going into that day specific feeling that pressure. You guys 228 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: have flown in. We had a few hours in a 229 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: studio at a hotel. You know, it's like there's a 230 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: lot of things. This isn't just like you know, around 231 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: a campfire in someone's backyard and a song falls out 232 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: when it happens, But I, I, it's very helpful for 233 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: me to know that there is a target. And I 234 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: felt like that was, in some ways what was easier. 235 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: I didn't know what writing for a project like this 236 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: would be like, but in some ways it was easier 237 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: because it eliminated a lot of like a lot of 238 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: stuff that we couldn't write about. Yeah, Normally when I 239 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: go into my day job, it's like today I have 240 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: no parameters tempo blow like this lifestyle breakup? Do we 241 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: want to write it's a pitch? Do we want to 242 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: write it for the artist? Like this was so such 243 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: a pointed target that that I had a lot of 244 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: confidence of, like I at least know what we're aiming 245 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: at right of the time. Songwriter, you know, the blue 246 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: collar Nashville songwriters just like just gets up to that 247 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: and swings kind of blindly like I hope we hit something. Yeah, No, 248 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: it was it felt it did feel like writing for 249 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: like a sync pitch like a film or TV pitch 250 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: and obviously like um, there was so much more heart 251 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: behind it because you know, created the thing. But well 252 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: and also you you know, the easiest rites for my 253 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: job are when you write with an artist that knows 254 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: who they are. And I think you guys knew what 255 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: the project was, right, So it was very It wasn't 256 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: It really wasn't just like getting up to swing. It 257 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: was like, okay, I like we have a you you 258 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: already had enough of the arc of the storyline, enough 259 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: of the other music to go, Okay, this is what 260 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: we're missing and we're going towards. So that was and 261 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: that's exactly what I wanted out of the process for myself, 262 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: was the challenge of that of getting to be a 263 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: part of writing for something very specific that was new 264 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: to me. Once the fingerpicking started and you know, here's 265 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: the nowhere Zona. I honestly, if you look at the 266 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: camera and the tape of that day, my pressure probably 267 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: drops down to like a normal rate because I was like, oh, here, 268 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: like this is I've seen it, Like now the song started. 269 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: Now it's about coaching more than anything, you know, getting it. 270 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: I was just like counting the minutes to like till 271 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: you would demo it in the booth because I knew that, 272 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: like you know, and I do it all. Like, once 273 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: those melodies were there, I was like, the song's done. 274 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: Now we just have to write it. I truly think 275 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: that once you have a first line and a title 276 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: of a song, you're like halfway there. It's so crazy 277 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: that Champion is like your word of the year because 278 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: like even just like the what happened, even after that 279 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: thing where you know, it's like, oh, these two people 280 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: came in from LA and they're writing, and you know, 281 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: the Winston House sessions and the iHeart stuff that we did, 282 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: like seeing the song like take a life from you 283 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: know song, Whereas we write songs all day to the 284 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: point where I'm sure we can barely remember the ones 285 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: we've done in the last like you know, thirty weeks. 286 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: But it was so cool seeing the specificity of that, 287 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: like writing for a moment, writing with the attention, and 288 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: when you both performed it for the first time working 289 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: out and Champion at Winston House, I was like, it's alive, 290 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: like Frankenstein. I was like, it's real. And then I 291 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: could start seeing what artists would theoretically be in that well. 292 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the craziest thing about songwriting. The magic 293 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: of it in general is you know, you you create 294 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: something that's tangible, that is living and breathing. You walk 295 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: in with nothing, you make it up as you go 296 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: and and truly it's like you have a living, breathing 297 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: thing then. And I think it was so cool with 298 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: this too, because you were really letting them. One of 299 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: my favorite things about it was you were you were 300 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: building a story around the music you had. You had 301 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: your body of work Scarlett that you had already made, 302 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: and you you use that as the muse for the 303 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: whole project, as opposed to usually it's the other way around, 304 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: where you create a story and then people are trying 305 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: to kind of like back back the songs into the project, 306 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: and it was it was really cool how it was 307 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: so music forward. I thought that was because I think 308 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: that's a great songwriting as if you can tell a 309 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: story without actually having to say anything, right, you already 310 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: had that in place with the songs that you had written, 311 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: so thank there was a lot to do with David 312 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: as well. He he heard the music and was like 313 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: I get it, and um, you know, it's those songs 314 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: that I truly never thought anybody you would hear like this, 315 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: like might have I wrote in my bedroom and didn't 316 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: have any plans to do anything with it. But I mean, 317 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: that's what I like about, you know, this project is 318 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: and what I've explained about this project is that these 319 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: songs are characters themselves, and there is so much life 320 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: imitating art your because you know, we talked about keeping 321 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: keeping it authentic to the reality of songwriting in Nashville, 322 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: and that that those songs are characters and they do 323 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: have kind of their own journey from the writing room 324 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,479 Speaker 1: or even like what went on in the songwriter's day 325 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: and then to the writing room and then around town 326 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: and then to the artists and and so you know, 327 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: I think with Champion, it's just it's it's funny because 328 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,959 Speaker 1: it's just as life again, it's just life imitating art 329 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: and that's what we needed. Um Scarlett, at what point 330 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: did you say to yourself, you know what artists? You 331 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: know you thought was going to cut either song, because 332 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: that last part of the journey was kind of incredible 333 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: and Sloan, big shout out to Sloan was a huge 334 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: part of you know, helping us reign in that like 335 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: casting process, I knew I wanted, like immediately in the room, 336 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: I wanted Miranda. Um this song to me reminded me 337 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: of that built me and then it just it just 338 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: felt like Miranda, That's who I wanted. But I didn't. 339 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: I certainly didn't think that no offense to our project, 340 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: but I just thought it was just a long shot, 341 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: you know, and that that's who That's just who I 342 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: wanted for it, and I just I still can't believe 343 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: that like all played out, and again that's what thanks 344 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: to Nicole and Sloan. But this the word champion is 345 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: just so fitting to this project because there's so many 346 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: you know, even new Nicole like and Miranda and all 347 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: the talent attached to this. They could have easily said, 348 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: you know, podcasts, no thanks. And I think that this 349 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: there's been so many champions a part of this project 350 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: and it wouldn't have happened without all of those people, 351 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: and especially Miranda. So that's who I've wanted from it. 352 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: I think we talks about that in the room too. Nicole, 353 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean it, and I, you know, I 354 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: was probably of the same mindset of like of course, 355 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: Miranda's the O. It was such a it was such 356 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: an obvious choice creatively for the song. It just made 357 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: sense creatively, but also, um, I personally, that's my story 358 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: is my first two hits on radio were with Miranda 359 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: and her like she really speaking of life imitator art 360 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: imitating life, you know, I mean it was it truly 361 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: very woven together all of this for me, and that 362 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: was I didn't want to make it about me, but 363 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: in the back of my mind, I was like, man, 364 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: that would feel so special if this could kind of 365 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: be recreated again and told in a way to where 366 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 1: people could really understand how this works and how it 367 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: can change a songwriter's life like mine when an artist 368 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: does come along and championship song, because it's not just 369 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: about that song. When an artist like Miranda or Lindsay 370 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: l or are any huge artist comes along and they 371 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: they cut your song, you know, just get the cut, 372 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: You get the validation, and the whole town and community 373 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: sees that that artist is signed off on you as 374 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: a writer and your your creations, and it really just 375 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: opens so many more doors. And I'm sure it is 376 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 1: for you right now, you know, Scarlett, even with other 377 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: things you're like, you don't need to the artist cutting 378 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: your song kind of does the talk. You don't have 379 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: to talk about it anymore. You can just show the 380 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: world like this is she's six months away from from 381 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: not returning our phone calls. Yeah, Jared, but answer well, 382 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: to be honest, like the whole thing, the payoff of 383 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 1: the narrative is so like layered, and that's the specificity 384 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: of it's about the writers of Nashville this show and 385 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: you know, to actually in real life, Scarlett get the 386 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: call that you got. You know, I don't know why 387 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: people call me first, and I got the call about 388 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: Miran and I'm like, now I gotta deliver this like 389 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: life changing news to Scarlett. She's not going to believe me. 390 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: I need to callll to other people to make sure 391 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: it's true. But like, you know, when we found out 392 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: that Miranda was cutting it, even I like, look, I've 393 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: gotten to work with a ton of people. That feeling 394 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: never goes away because it also validates the work that 395 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: you put in to get to that point. You're like, Wow, 396 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: somebody actually likes something I did. And not only that, 397 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: but Scarlett, the you know, your introduction to the town 398 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: is some incredible names. It's like Tyler rich alone is great, 399 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: Lindsay All alone is great, you know, Miranda incredible. That's 400 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: the home run. And then the icing on the cake 401 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,959 Speaker 1: is now you're working with another one of Nicole's artists, 402 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: you know, Hayley Witter is just as like an extra 403 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: bonus to end twenty twenty. Talk about that for a second. 404 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: It's just I feel like this year I've had my 405 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: head down and focused on work, and then it's kind 406 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: of I feel like right now I'm kind of like 407 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: taking the blinders off and seeing it all from the 408 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: you know, thousand foot view. And that's just I mean, 409 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: us being able to make this project this year, whenever 410 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: everything was so uncertain. You know, this has been so 411 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: rewarding and so fulfilling, and you know, being in like 412 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: the pandemic and you know, I lived by myself, Like 413 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: I don't know what I would have done without having 414 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: this project. And as far as you know, working with 415 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: these amazing artists and you guys, it just it just 416 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: feels like we did the work and it just fell 417 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: kind of into place naturally. So oh no, my dog's 418 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: gonna go next, Okay, But but um yeah, it's even 419 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: with like the Christmas song with Haley that was one 420 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: As as as we were writing it, Jared, I was like, oh, 421 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: this would be perfect for Haley. It's be perfect for her, 422 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,479 Speaker 1: and I've been following her career and her music and 423 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 1: then of course you know the songs. The song that 424 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: you wrote with her, Heartland is on repeat in my house, 425 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: and so it's just sort of like, I feel like 426 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: you kind of what I like about this project the 427 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: most is that it shows the relationship between artists and 428 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: songwriter and what that looks like and how he's not 429 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: bothering us. No. It makes it just say in the 430 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: more country yeah, brands, Charlie Stop, Okay's huge. No. Um, 431 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: I think he's done Charlie Stop anyway. So No, I 432 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: think that like there's just it just you hear the 433 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: artist in the in the song once you start writing 434 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: it in that first verse, and it's like, I just 435 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: I just can't. We've just been so lucky actually attaching 436 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: those artists so well. Um, So you know, I know 437 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: that we are coming to the end of this conversation, 438 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: But Scarlett and Nicole season two, what what what's going 439 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: to happen? Um? Scarlett, you go first, Who's getting pregnant 440 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: in my career, just keeping more songs. We I don't know. 441 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. I kind of feel like I'm it's 442 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: weird because I kind of feel like I'm living like 443 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: what Season two might hopefully move. I mean, I don't 444 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: want to get pregnant, but m Charlie stop um. I 445 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: don't know. I just don't know. I feel like I'm 446 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: kind of living that out right now and wanting to 447 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: again the authenticity. I'm sure Nicole, you and I will 448 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: have a lot of conversations coming up discussing, you know 449 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: what season two looks like, because at this point in 450 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: my career, I can't tell you. I don't know what 451 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,479 Speaker 1: that looks like just yet. I've heard art. Well, sometimes 452 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: you have to quit writing. I always say, like, sometimes 453 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 1: you have to take time off to writing to go 454 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: live so you have something to write about. And it's 455 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: that's probably the same and with with the podcast too, 456 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: like you you or you and your life have been 457 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: the music for the music and the story for this, 458 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: so you need to go You're living it right now 459 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: and I think that's so cool. Yeah, writing in are 460 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: we writing in the pandemic? I mean, but Rymes COVID. 461 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: You know, probably, I mean it would be again it's 462 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: like going back to that authenticity. Yeah, I think some 463 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: of that in season two, you know, I mean, artists 464 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: have been unfortunately, you know, they've all been so impacted 465 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: by it and really have really had to get creative 466 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: with releasing their music. And um, yeah, maybe that's been 467 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 1: the most exciting part about this is that we never 468 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: could have predicted that this would have been a dynamic 469 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: way that people could put up music in a year 470 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: like Scarlet. You know, Um, you know, you've managed to 471 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, I know that you're very humble about it, 472 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: but you've managed to break through in a town it's 473 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: very hard to break through. And um, as Nicole will 474 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: tell you, and you know, I sort of sneak my 475 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: way into Nashville every now and then, but I'm not 476 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: really part of that world. But you know, you you 477 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: really you know, by writing your own story, which is 478 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: you know, kind of how a lot of these outlier talents, 479 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: like the Billy Bob Thornton's of the world, the you know, 480 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: Stapletons of the world, they're there and then they become 481 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: there in a new way, like you were already on 482 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 1: a path and being successful as a commercial writer. But 483 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: I just think that this is such an incredible example 484 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: of creating your own story, creating a new dynamic way 485 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: that people discover stuff. And I'm just happy that I 486 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: got I'm like Ringo star, I'm just happy that I 487 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 1: got to go along for the ride is incredible. And 488 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: you know, seeing this all come to life from the 489 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: writing room there as a tourist and someone who is 490 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: involved in producing it. I you know, congrats on the 491 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: amazing year both of you, and let's let's do it 492 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: again in twenty one without any of the global pandemics 493 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: and the rest of that bullshit right back at you. 494 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: It's been awesome. It's whole year that's been great. It's 495 00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: been like a B twelve shot. And I will say 496 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: one more thing, Howdy Christmas. Christmas Executive producer Paris Hilton 497 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: brings back the hit podcast How Men Think. And that's 498 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: good news for anyone that is confused by men, which 499 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: is basically everyone get an inside look at what goes 500 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: on in the mind of men from the men themselves. 501 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: It's real talk, straight from the source to How Men 502 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: Think podcast is exactly what we need to figure them out. 503 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: It's going to be fun and formative and probably a 504 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: bit scary at times, because we're literally going inside the 505 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: minds of men. As much as we like to think 506 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: all men are the same, they're actually very different. Each week, 507 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: a celebrity guest host provides honest advice in his area 508 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: of expertise. When I agreed to do this reboot, I 509 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: had a few conditions. No sugarcoating, no mind games, and 510 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: absolutely no man splaining. Men are hard enough to understand 511 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: without the mind games. Listen to How Men Think on 512 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 513 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: Make sure to check out Drink Champs, your number one 514 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: music podcast. On the Black Effect podcast Network, host n 515 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: Ore and dj EFN sat down with artists and icon Yea, 516 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: which Vulture called one of twenty twenty one's most significant interviews. 517 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: I literally had to go like Thanos and I don't 518 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: want to have to be the villain. But when I 519 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: went and did the Donda thing, Yea returned and anybody 520 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: had to sit back and watch the real leader. Check 521 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: out Drink Champs conversation with Yea and many more legendary 522 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: artists each and every Friday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple 523 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. From 524 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: Cavalry Audio comes the new true crime podcast, The Shadow Girls. 525 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: I always wanted to know what it felt like to 526 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: kill somebody, and he started laughing. Prosecutors described him as 527 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: a serial killer survant, kicking up these girls, getting him 528 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: in a position of vulnerability, hold their neck. That was it. 529 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: I'm Carolinasia, a journalist and lifelong resident at the Pacific Northwest. 530 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: I grew up near the banks of the Green River 531 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: and in the shadow of the killer that bears its name. 532 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: How times did you bring the camera wonder of time? 533 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: Just one time he started fantasizing about having sex with 534 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: his mother, and he fantasized about killing her. But this 535 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: podcast isn't only about tracking down the killer. It's about 536 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: the victims. We stayed in the woods. He always liked 537 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: to go into the woods to all of the kind 538 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: of strange. Do you know how he feels about prostitutes? 539 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: Listen to The Shadow Girls on the iHeartRadio app, on 540 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Around the 541 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: time that we wrote Champion and working out with Nicole Gallian, 542 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: Jared and I had begun our casting process, so he 543 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: and I spoke to his partner at Audio, Dennis Quaid. 544 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: Dennis played a huge part in getting Billy Thorton on board, 545 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: which in turn helped us get Miranda Lambert to join 546 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: the cast, as they're big fans of each other and production. 547 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: It's it's like putting together a puzzle and can prove 548 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: to be tricky Dennis, though he helps immensely. Here's a 549 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: quick conversation with Dennis himself, my podfather as I like 550 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: to call him, That explains how productions started before COVID 551 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: nineteen and ended in the middle of it. We were 552 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: working in a world where we did not have a 553 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: luxury of being in a room together, so we had 554 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: to do this um just over zoom technology. Well, you know, 555 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: it's uh gosh, it's so kind of hard for me 556 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: to remember when I first heard about make it Up 557 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: as we Go. You and I met through Jared. I 558 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: remember being a viper room when you sang and I 559 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: think that's when we were when we were talking about it, right, Yeah, 560 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: it was kind of like a makeup as we go moment. 561 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: In fact, we're gonna set all the curb, all three 562 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: of us and you know, you were having one of 563 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: those moments like when you call your dad for right 564 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: with my life. Yeah yeah, and uh yeah, you and 565 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: Jared banked me out of the viper room and you 566 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: y'all sat me down on that curb and had a 567 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: real pep talk with me. Yeah, we all need every 568 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: once in a while, we all need pep talk. The 569 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: parking lot the viper room was a moment I'll never forget. 570 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: But anyway, we had just set up Audio Up and 571 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: we were we were in Pandemicville I think at that time, right, 572 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: and so we didn't have a place. We couldn't get 573 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: an office because nobody was leasing offices or whatever. So 574 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: we came over. We made my house the office and 575 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: recording studio and everything for a couple of weeks. It 576 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: still like, you know, it was a startup company. And 577 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,439 Speaker 1: so but now from where you guys started, from the 578 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: beginning of the year to the end of the year, 579 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: Audio Up as my production partner on this project. It's 580 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: so weird to ever think of y'all as a startup 581 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 1: and it was. It wasn't It was almost twelve months 582 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: ago and when we were at your house, it was 583 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: the idea of this project was. I wanted it to 584 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: be a set where we mike the rooms, we mike talent, 585 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: and that way you can feel and hear like every 586 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 1: part of the room. And you know, it was just 587 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,959 Speaker 1: as in all the ambience sound that goes well. Yeah, 588 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: which cracious enough to letus do at your house, but 589 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: I mean, what was it like having a like a 590 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: question in your health. It work out so well actually 591 00:34:53,920 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 1: because refrigerators of people's eating habits, flooring, the dogs, the 592 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: kids and every every day. Also, it was like twenty 593 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: five people in this room, so it was a good 594 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: prompter for everybody for us to get the new audio 595 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: audio chateau that we got. That was great being here 596 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: in this room. We were all like shoulder to shoulder 597 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: in here on the couches and you know, reading it 598 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: live and basically doing it live, right, which is also 599 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: before we were just to be you know, clear, we were. 600 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: It was before we knew how that you know, it 601 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: was before the shutdown or anything like that, so you're 602 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: still being you know, that wasn't before the shutdown the shutdown, 603 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,879 Speaker 1: that's right. It wasn't before the shutdown, But we hadn't 604 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: launched audio up yet. Okay, thank you, thank you for that, 605 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: senior moment corrected. So we've been this whole year has 606 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: been a blur. But uh, yeah, that was. That was 607 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:02,399 Speaker 1: fun being in here and uh and do I buy? 608 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: And it was there was a whole musical element on 609 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: our set, which I can't wait for this to go 610 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: into TV development because all of our talent, you know, 611 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: yourself included, are all incredible musicians. So when we would 612 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: stop and take a break, somebody would pick up a 613 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: guitar and start playing something, and then another actor like 614 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: Rob May's would pick up a guitar and there would 615 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: just be this impromptu jam session between Well I got 616 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: enough of them in here, you know, and we definitely 617 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: used your guitars. Yeah, and but but it was just 618 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: such a just the vibe. I'm so glad we were 619 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: able to have that experience before the shutdown. But well, 620 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: I say, what's really big great for me is watching 621 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: you uh grow into this and watching this coming you know, 622 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: coming out of you and you know this is this 623 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: uh you know you you really are and when you're 624 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: playing a character, but you really are playing yourself in 625 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 1: a way, and you did such a great job on it, 626 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: you know, totally believable character. And it was like watching 627 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 1: metamorphosis go on go on, you know, coming out of 628 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: the butterfly, coming out of coming out a builder. Really 629 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: was you know just what just watch you grow as 630 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 1: an artist and really grow into this thing. And I'm 631 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: really proud of it. I'm really proud of what we did. Uh, 632 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: you know for Audio Up as a whole. This is 633 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 1: our first real scripted thing as a company to come out. 634 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: And the people that, you know, just made my jaw dropped. 635 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: The people that we were able to get involved in 636 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: this thing. And the thing random Bobby Bones, who your 637 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: friends I know you're friends with and I had met 638 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: him with you prior. I don't know if you had 639 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: remembered that or not. Yeah, but you know what was 640 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: that phone call like whenever you called Billy Ballman said hey, 641 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: he doesn't need a podcast. He doesn't need to do that. 642 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: So I know, why don't know about that? Is too, 643 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: you know when like, uh, you know people call you 644 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: to do a podcast like yeah, but I have to 645 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: go clean. Bob was really great about it because he 646 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: was really interested, you know, what we were doing. It's 647 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,399 Speaker 1: once people realize what Audio up is doing and how 648 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: it's so uh music focused and at the same time, 649 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: you know, like the old idea of radio play coming around. 650 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: It's the movie for your ears and uh yeah, I 651 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,399 Speaker 1: think everybody picked up on the idea of it. Yeah, 652 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: and Billy Bob also wanted his script, which we're gonna 653 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: do on Floyd on the Speer really good. That's great. Yeah, 654 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 1: to a scripts in the drawer that we're gonna do. Well. 655 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,280 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I can't I mean, I can't 656 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: tell you how intimidated I was sitting there with you 657 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,359 Speaker 1: and Billy Bob on Zoom, having gone from like two 658 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 1: years ago I was like a crunch dancer and a 659 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 1: KFC commercial to working with you and Billy Bob Hotel 660 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 1: giving you guys any direction. I felt like I was 661 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: completely out of my element. But boy, he was right. 662 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: He was really open joy Wedney, Oh yeah, absolutely about it. 663 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: I just you know, it just turns into you know, 664 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: he's such a great guy. And uh, I think we 665 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: were doing that when the COVID when it was COVID right, right, 666 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,319 Speaker 1: so it a lot easier for him to just to 667 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: be at home, right. Just dropped a mike. I think 668 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: somebody dropped a mic off to his house. Yeah, and yeah, 669 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 1: but it was, you know, it's amazing how we you know, 670 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: I thought, oh my gosh, we're gonna we're gonna shut 671 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 1: down production. We'll just have to stop. And you know, 672 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: with the way that Jared is as you know, it was, 673 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: there's no should in his vocabulary, and it's just let's 674 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna figure it. Oh, we're gonna keep moving forward. 675 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: And so next thing we know, we're dropping microphones all 676 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: over the country for this and shipping them around and 677 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 1: you know, with the hand sanitizer and everything. So I'm 678 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: just you know, I'm gonna be more happy, gonna be 679 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: more proud and grateful to like the cast and you 680 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 1: for just like rolling with the punches that came with production. 681 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like our our session went pretty 682 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: smoothly when we recorded our lines and everything. But um, 683 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: but yeah, I just it's so it's so wild seeing 684 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: everyone that's involved. But have you ever met Miranda before 685 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: a better backstage? Uh? Just briefly, you know, when I 686 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,279 Speaker 1: was with Tanya, Oh right, a couple of those Awards 687 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 1: glitter shows. Yeah, she seems really nice, but must have 688 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 1: been really something for you. How did what was that 689 00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 1: first session like for you. I first found out that 690 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: she was going to do this, I was actually at 691 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 1: your house and Peaches, your dog, was chewing on a 692 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: water bottle underneath the trampoline, and Jared, it was like, 693 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: Miranda's in she's gonna do it, and she's gonna do 694 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,879 Speaker 1: the song. And I think I just like burst into 695 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: tears under your trampoline because I was getting the water 696 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:27,720 Speaker 1: bottle on Peaches. That's the reality of what the story 697 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 1: about with your dog under the trampoline. Whenever found out 698 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: and it was like, I mean, it was just I 699 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: just I don't know, I got so emotional over it. 700 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,360 Speaker 1: How do you feel, like what on the on the 701 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: first sessions with all that, I mean, hearing it, it's 702 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't you know it? It was so 703 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: fitting and she I knew she was perfect for this, 704 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: and I knew if she just if she just even 705 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: as a chance, and if she just knew the story, 706 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 1: and which she knows that story, She's lived that story 707 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: where that's her. Yeah, she saw herself, she saw herself 708 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: and you yeah, absolutely so. I think there was so 709 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: much hope there and I had her in mind from 710 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,839 Speaker 1: day one when Nicole and I were writing Champion, and 711 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 1: so yes, it was overwhelming and incredibly exciting, but I 712 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:29,719 Speaker 1: also it just felt so right, you know. So um, 713 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,839 Speaker 1: I had cried my happy tears, and then we went 714 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: back into the room that you're in now and we 715 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,359 Speaker 1: just got back to work. And yeah, you know, it's 716 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: very important to get to a place where you feel 717 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: like you belong. You know, you belong to you, you 718 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: deserve to be there, you know what I mean? Right, 719 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,360 Speaker 1: I go through that my whatever, like first days of 720 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 1: any any movie that I go on, and go, I 721 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,839 Speaker 1: don't deserve to be so of all to get over 722 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 1: that and uh just kind of get gelled and you know, 723 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,320 Speaker 1: figure out that you know, people are people and uh 724 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 1: and uh, because it's I think it's really important to 725 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:13,319 Speaker 1: enjoy the ride, which and it's just it's been so 726 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 1: great to watch you enjoy this ride, which thank you, 727 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,359 Speaker 1: which which production aside from making up as we go? 728 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,279 Speaker 1: Did you feel that? Oh? I feel that every time 729 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: we would start my first day. But I don't that 730 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 1: kind of imposter syndrome. Yeah, yeah, an imposter that you know. 731 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,360 Speaker 1: So I remember as a kid, you know, I was 732 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:40,799 Speaker 1: like I did a movie. I played Barber. Uh. But 733 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,279 Speaker 1: the Gene Hackman was my dad, and Barbara Streisan was 734 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 1: played my lover, and I was like I was his son, 735 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 1: I was Jee's son. That was that was really intimidating. 736 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,440 Speaker 1: You know, they just turned out to be great people 737 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,839 Speaker 1: right there there. You know, you have them up on 738 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,919 Speaker 1: these pedestals because you, yeah, check their work and then 739 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,439 Speaker 1: getting to work with you know, even like I feel 740 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 1: like working with you and Billy, Bob and and the 741 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,240 Speaker 1: rest of our cast, like it's just been the best 742 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 1: acting class of my life. I mean seeing how everyone, 743 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 1: like you've taught me a lot, you know, working through 744 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 1: the scenes, and you had this great analogy of like 745 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 1: it's almost like you have to keep the ball up 746 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 1: in the air, like you're keeping a you're tossing a 747 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 1: ball around and you can't let it drop, like you've 748 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,359 Speaker 1: got to keep the energy up. And that was like 749 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,720 Speaker 1: once you explained when you when you were talking about 750 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,440 Speaker 1: that in a scene, it just clicked like and I 751 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 1: feel like saying that, but that sounds right. You had 752 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: you had a moment um, But no, I felt that 753 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,960 Speaker 1: way because you I You and I had met on 754 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 1: the set of your show Vegas and I was an 755 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,280 Speaker 1: extra and I was talking like a cigarette tray because 756 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 1: it was a period piece, so I was, what forty fifties. 757 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 1: I think there was Night teen sixty one or something. Yeah. Yeah, 758 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:10,080 Speaker 1: that was a lot of fun anything. Yeah, but it's 759 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,880 Speaker 1: it's kind of it's funny how things come around, you know, 760 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,800 Speaker 1: and you're able to put all your acting experience and 761 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 1: all your music experience and put them together, and uh, 762 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: you know that's all that wondering you were why you 763 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 1: were doing that fact, then it's finally making sense to you. 764 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 1: I guess right, I think so it was. I was 765 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 1: so tempted. I never told you this, but when we 766 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: were on your set, my god daughter at the time, 767 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 1: I mean she was at the time, maybe like in 768 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,239 Speaker 1: second grade, and they were doing the school project where 769 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: they have to they send this like paper cutout character 770 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,000 Speaker 1: to a relative that's far away, and it's called flat 771 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:55,319 Speaker 1: like flat Stanley, Flat Stanley. Yeah, yeah, that's anything. So 772 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,480 Speaker 1: I had flat Stanley and on your set, and I 773 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,720 Speaker 1: was so tempted to ask you to take a picture 774 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 1: with flat Stanley. I was trying to be cool. I've 775 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,319 Speaker 1: done that for all of my kids. I'm I'm I'm 776 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,239 Speaker 1: a sucker for a flat stay like yeah, well we ended. 777 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,920 Speaker 1: I took a photo of Flat Stanley outside like one 778 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:19,160 Speaker 1: of the trailers on set anyway. Um, but yeah, working 779 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,880 Speaker 1: with you and Billy Bob, you know, I definitely had 780 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: that imposter moment where I was like, something's wrong, like 781 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: they think I'm somebody else. But I just can't thank 782 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,759 Speaker 1: you enough for being a part of this. Well, I'm 783 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,319 Speaker 1: really I was so glad to be a part of 784 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:40,279 Speaker 1: it and just really looking forward to see where it 785 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,760 Speaker 1: goes from here, which is going to be exciting. Yeah, yeah, 786 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 1: I agree. I think it's only up from here. And um, 787 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: you know, we wouldn't have had the success that we've 788 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 1: had without people such as yourself and Billy Bob and 789 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,840 Speaker 1: Miranda and I just I can't thank you enough for 790 00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,879 Speaker 1: working with me and taking a chance for me. Thank you, Sar, 791 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:05,560 Speaker 1: and you did such a great job and we all 792 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,120 Speaker 1: have something to be proud of, I believe. I agree. 793 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:14,040 Speaker 1: I agree, Well, thanks for doing this and you're beat. Yeah, 794 00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,719 Speaker 1: and I will talk to you soon, Okay, make it 795 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,520 Speaker 1: up as you go. We go, that's right. Are you 796 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,719 Speaker 1: gonna be a huge piece of this project? Is the 797 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,839 Speaker 1: Bobby Bones, who was one of the best known media 798 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 1: personalities and producers in the music world, has had number 799 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,399 Speaker 1: one best selling books. Um. But Bobby was kind enough 800 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,440 Speaker 1: to sit down with us and talk about why he 801 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,279 Speaker 1: got involved in this project and how this story resonated 802 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,600 Speaker 1: with him. Hey, Bobby high school, Like good to see you, 803 00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,399 Speaker 1: Good to see you too. Um, So it's it's it's 804 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,960 Speaker 1: good to see you again after like wrapping the show 805 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,080 Speaker 1: and everything, and I just can't thank you enough for 806 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,760 Speaker 1: being a part of it. But I guess my first 807 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:04,720 Speaker 1: question for you, as and nobody in Nashville when before 808 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:09,799 Speaker 1: this project developed, like what what brought you into this 809 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 1: and what made you? I mean, I know what happened 810 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 1: behind the scenes, but what in your gut made you 811 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,000 Speaker 1: want to do this project or how did this happen? 812 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,640 Speaker 1: Why are we well? I felt like it was just 813 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,840 Speaker 1: as much as it was a fictional story, it really 814 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,959 Speaker 1: wasn't you know. I mean, it was a fictional story 815 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,640 Speaker 1: that we told, but it was really the story of 816 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:35,400 Speaker 1: so many people, so many strong women singer songwriter artists 817 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,359 Speaker 1: and kind of the saga that they go through. And 818 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,799 Speaker 1: you know, for me, I've I've tried to champion that 819 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,160 Speaker 1: as much as I can on the radio and touring um, 820 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,279 Speaker 1: and so I felt like this was another avenue because 821 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,359 Speaker 1: not only was it super entertaining, and you know, we 822 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:51,719 Speaker 1: were doing something that not a lot of folks that 823 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,439 Speaker 1: even tried, especially with the music part of and releasing music, 824 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,800 Speaker 1: but you know, I just felt like that it was 825 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: really good and so all that together for me, it 826 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,520 Speaker 1: was kind of a no brainer to not only be 827 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,440 Speaker 1: on it and use my voice a little bit like 828 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,440 Speaker 1: because I'm on the podcast, but also to promote it 829 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:08,920 Speaker 1: and you know, to be a part of it. So 830 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:10,799 Speaker 1: I'm very proud of it. I mean, you did such 831 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,680 Speaker 1: a great job. How do you feel now that you 832 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,759 Speaker 1: know the season is over and a lot of people 833 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,400 Speaker 1: have consumed it and shre like, what is your feeling? 834 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,960 Speaker 1: M I'm not gonna let you turn this around, Bobby. 835 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,000 Speaker 1: I know this is your this is what you do. 836 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,279 Speaker 1: But I guess I'll quickly answer it. I've just Um, 837 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,160 Speaker 1: I'm so proud of it. I'm so proud of what 838 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,920 Speaker 1: we've created, and every person involved is just so incredibly 839 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,399 Speaker 1: talented in their own way, and like, um, I knew 840 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,799 Speaker 1: we had something great whenever I read the script, and 841 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,520 Speaker 1: I think just the way that David Hudgens writes, I 842 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:50,840 Speaker 1: think it spoke to a lot of our talent involved, 843 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,319 Speaker 1: including Miranda, because they he had that you know, he 844 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 1: wrote Friday Night Lights and that tells the story of 845 00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,640 Speaker 1: Friday Night Football, and I think he kind of like 846 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:04,239 Speaker 1: sit all stories that aren't so um commercial, like the 847 00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,719 Speaker 1: songwriter behind the hit song or the Friday night football game, 848 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,840 Speaker 1: not the NFL football player. You know. So I think, Um, 849 00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,520 Speaker 1: I'm just so proud of it and ready for season two. Well, 850 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,120 Speaker 1: let me ask you one other thing. Was there anybody 851 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,759 Speaker 1: that you worked with that you were like, Wow, this 852 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,560 Speaker 1: is really cool like it to actually worked with this person. 853 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,799 Speaker 1: Um that I'm not. It's not like there's a blank there. 854 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:34,600 Speaker 1: There's several people that I'm thinking of, including yourself obviously Miranda. 855 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:39,279 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's just so full circle because like 856 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 1: I was learning her songs on you know, guitar whenever 857 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:50,120 Speaker 1: I like like, um, I mean, and then and then 858 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,359 Speaker 1: we put that into one of the lyrics about how like, 859 00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,920 Speaker 1: you know, your songs kind of keep you company if 860 00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,840 Speaker 1: you're in a new place or if you're by yourself. 861 00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,959 Speaker 1: And so she in her own way like her music 862 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,520 Speaker 1: music like kept me company. Whenever I was like in 863 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,759 Speaker 1: a new city. So for her to come to cut 864 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,279 Speaker 1: that song when that's what that song is about, just 865 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:15,400 Speaker 1: blew me away. But um, do you think that there's like, um, 866 00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 1: I like this year in country radio country music, like 867 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,560 Speaker 1: who do you feel like are some standout female acts 868 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:29,839 Speaker 1: because I know you're like such a force behind those voices, 869 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:34,239 Speaker 1: and like, like, who's who's a standout country honest this 870 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,960 Speaker 1: year aside from me, aside from you, you know you 871 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,200 Speaker 1: always have and I'll just talk about you know, the 872 00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,319 Speaker 1: strong women. Trust me, guys are getting enough enough accolades. 873 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:50,120 Speaker 1: Um obviously Mirandon carry right like they are just dominating 874 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:54,000 Speaker 1: year after a year. But when you look at someone 875 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,839 Speaker 1: who's climbing up there with him as Marion Morris and 876 00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,839 Speaker 1: quickly a quick ascent up and then you get down 877 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,120 Speaker 1: into you know, the real the newcomers who are starting 878 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,719 Speaker 1: to you know, make that first splash and maybe they 879 00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,000 Speaker 1: don't have big radio hits yet, but you know, Maren 880 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,200 Speaker 1: put out a whole ep before she had a hit 881 00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,160 Speaker 1: on the radio, and so you can see some folks 882 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,879 Speaker 1: doing that now. You know. Cassie Ashton is somebody who 883 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,000 Speaker 1: I've known for a few years. And I'm just like, man, 884 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,640 Speaker 1: she is one song away from not just having a hit, 885 00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,440 Speaker 1: but from being a superstar because she's such an artist. Um. 886 00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,520 Speaker 1: You know, you talk about new artists too. There's an 887 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:30,160 Speaker 1: Australian girl named Nikita Carmen who is just she's just 888 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,640 Speaker 1: so different like she you know, she's not in your face, 889 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,640 Speaker 1: she's not a big loud singer, um, but there's a 890 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:40,440 Speaker 1: real preciousness to her, her tone, to how she writes. 891 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,640 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, to to really make it, 892 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,799 Speaker 1: you got to be different, um. And you know, I 893 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,120 Speaker 1: think that just whenever you look at the landscape of 894 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,120 Speaker 1: what's happened in a weird year. You know, a lot 895 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,000 Speaker 1: of friends to put out in music in twenty twenty, 896 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,080 Speaker 1: and it's just like, well, it kind of existed, but 897 00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,000 Speaker 1: we were so focused on the news and so focused 898 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,320 Speaker 1: on you know, being locked in our houses and rightfully 899 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,560 Speaker 1: so right a lot of stuff got glossed over. So 900 00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,839 Speaker 1: it's a weird a year to to have to look 901 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,640 Speaker 1: back and judge. But some people really performed fantastically in 902 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,400 Speaker 1: Marin Carrie, Miranda, you know, Cassie, Nikita there who come 903 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,000 Speaker 1: to mind right now? Right, yeah, I am I feel 904 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,000 Speaker 1: like there was that what we missed this year was 905 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,960 Speaker 1: if you're a newer, up and coming artist, you missed 906 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,759 Speaker 1: that opportunity to connect with your audience or a new audience. 907 00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,480 Speaker 1: And I can't remember how I was having this conversation 908 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,959 Speaker 1: with the other day, but it was about how this 909 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,600 Speaker 1: project in a way created a connection between the music 910 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,040 Speaker 1: and the listener and like a new audience in a way. 911 00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,880 Speaker 1: So even though we didn't have a live performance aspect 912 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,279 Speaker 1: of it, we kind of created this different way of 913 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:54,960 Speaker 1: of you know, reaching a a listener um. But yeah, 914 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,279 Speaker 1: the story of Scarlett, you know, and make it up 915 00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,440 Speaker 1: and I look at the parallels with other artists and 916 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:06,920 Speaker 1: she's a little she's a lot more as a songwriter now, 917 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,520 Speaker 1: but I just see like a Caitlin Smith who comes 918 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,759 Speaker 1: to my mind, who is such a great songwriter and 919 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:17,040 Speaker 1: just but has such a distinct voice as well. And 920 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,200 Speaker 1: just talking about the records we're talking about. She put 921 00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:23,440 Speaker 1: out a fantastic record in twenty twenty and it I 922 00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,000 Speaker 1: believe it came out of March or April, but again 923 00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,160 Speaker 1: that was right when our world was changing, and you know, 924 00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,640 Speaker 1: then she put out a bonus, you know, the deluxe 925 00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,759 Speaker 1: version with you know, I put a whole dominion on 926 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:39,680 Speaker 1: it's fantastic, But you know, I think they've done wonderfully. 927 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,360 Speaker 1: I think that there are a lot of artists, and 928 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,760 Speaker 1: I hope people will recommend the podcast of their friends too. 929 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,440 Speaker 1: You know, I think word of mouth is such an 930 00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:51,000 Speaker 1: important part of the growth of any creative endeavor. Sure, 931 00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,200 Speaker 1: I can talk about it on my show, and you know, 932 00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,799 Speaker 1: but when your friend recommends something to you check you 933 00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,080 Speaker 1: check it out. Like on Netflix, if somebody was like, hey, 934 00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,239 Speaker 1: you gotta check out the Queen's Gambit, which they did, 935 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,799 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have checked it out unless somebody I trusted. Right, 936 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,200 Speaker 1: Hopefully people are listening to us talk well, we'll actually 937 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,640 Speaker 1: recommend this to one of their friends. Yeah, I was. 938 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,840 Speaker 1: I was a little nervous um of you know, how 939 00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,200 Speaker 1: Nashville and the country radio or country music scene would 940 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,920 Speaker 1: accept this project and what the response would be. And 941 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,080 Speaker 1: so I feel like we've just had such an incredible 942 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,360 Speaker 1: response and everybody's ready for a season two and wanting 943 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,200 Speaker 1: to know what happens to Well, I don't say anything 944 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,920 Speaker 1: in case anybody watching has it listened to the last episode, 945 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:38,120 Speaker 1: But but that said, do you feel like I mean, 946 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:43,399 Speaker 1: do you see more artists wanting to use podcasting as 947 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,400 Speaker 1: a way of releasing new music after something like COVID 948 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,880 Speaker 1: has happened. You know, I think that it takes something 949 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,759 Speaker 1: to be a success to make everybody go oh, I'd 950 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,319 Speaker 1: also like that success, right, And I think with you know, 951 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,160 Speaker 1: Miranda putting out such a great song, I think with 952 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,799 Speaker 1: the podcast doing so well, any people would be would 953 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,440 Speaker 1: be crazy not to look at these non traditional ways 954 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,120 Speaker 1: to promote themselves or their amused. They would be crazy, 955 00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,000 Speaker 1: not too um. But again, it takes someone with a 956 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,360 Speaker 1: little bit of foresight to identify that this could be 957 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,839 Speaker 1: a tool that would you know, be effective for them. 958 00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,360 Speaker 1: And I credit a man, credit Miranda. I credit yourself 959 00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,359 Speaker 1: to seeing that that it's actually worth the time. I mean, 960 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,280 Speaker 1: I've got a whole podcast network. I've got an eleven 961 00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,560 Speaker 1: podcasts on my network of all these different shows, and 962 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,040 Speaker 1: I see the power of podcasts, and I see that 963 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,720 Speaker 1: just because it's not on, you know, a radio station, 964 00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:36,799 Speaker 1: some of the podcasts that are on my network are 965 00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,879 Speaker 1: as big as radio stations. Just for the podcast there 966 00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,200 Speaker 1: are there are numbers, and all we're competing for now 967 00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,359 Speaker 1: are people's eyes and ears. And however, you get them 968 00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,479 Speaker 1: is getting them, So I hope so, But what's gonna 969 00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,560 Speaker 1: happen is this podcast is a success, there'll be some more. 970 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,680 Speaker 1: But then everybody's gonna want to do it, and then 971 00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna have everybody release some musical podcasts and this 972 00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,200 Speaker 1: is gonna be But so I would hope that they 973 00:56:58,200 --> 00:56:59,520 Speaker 1: get in on it while it's still, you know, a 974 00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,480 Speaker 1: pretty new thing. Well, hopefully those artists will come our 975 00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:07,480 Speaker 1: way and be a part of season two. So tell 976 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,600 Speaker 1: me about like the impact of Miranda on country like 977 00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,319 Speaker 1: this and is this your first time working with her 978 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:19,160 Speaker 1: as a producer or what's yeah as a producer. Yeah, absolutely, 979 00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,840 Speaker 1: I mean her impact on countries. First of all, she's 980 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,040 Speaker 1: as biggest superstar as a country music cast. That being said, 981 00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,640 Speaker 1: she she's been able to do the thing of you know, 982 00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,040 Speaker 1: she went a few years without a big hit but 983 00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,280 Speaker 1: was still able to have massive success because hit single hits, 984 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,440 Speaker 1: that's not all the matters, right. You know, she did 985 00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:42,840 Speaker 1: a double record that was so good and such a 986 00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,800 Speaker 1: piece of art that it didn't really have a radio 987 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,200 Speaker 1: song on it, but it wasn't really supposed to, right, 988 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,520 Speaker 1: you know, when everyone's like, man, it's been five years 989 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,080 Speaker 1: since Miranda's had a hit. I'm like, yeah, but no 990 00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,120 Speaker 1: one has put out a record like that or with 991 00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,880 Speaker 1: that success. So you know, Miranda's always being the yang 992 00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,840 Speaker 1: to a lot of folks see um, you know when 993 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,800 Speaker 1: they zig she's aggs and she continued to do that 994 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,880 Speaker 1: and maintain being able to maintain the megaforce that she is. 995 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:10,400 Speaker 1: So just to work with Randy and I know we're 996 00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,520 Speaker 1: a bit as well, and she's just fantastic and you know, 997 00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,360 Speaker 1: as I would say, even nicer away from a microphone 998 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:21,320 Speaker 1: or a guitar as she is on Um, She's just 999 00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:22,920 Speaker 1: a really good person. And I think that's what I'm 1000 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,760 Speaker 1: mostly a fan of. Absolutely. I mean, she's her career 1001 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,320 Speaker 1: is is um. You know, it's really been something to 1002 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,400 Speaker 1: follow it and I kind of feel like, you know, 1003 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,760 Speaker 1: she related to the story of Charlotte Seals leaving leaving Texas. 1004 00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,840 Speaker 1: But um, but okay, all that said, I have one 1005 00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:45,240 Speaker 1: last question for you. All right, as you know we're 1006 00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,280 Speaker 1: you know, having the conversations of developing it into a 1007 00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:55,960 Speaker 1: TV series, who do you see playing Bobby Bones? Well, 1008 00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:00,600 Speaker 1: hopefully not me. I have too much then you'd have 1009 00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,960 Speaker 1: to audition. I have too many jobs. If here's the thing, 1010 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,280 Speaker 1: it doesn't It would be amazing. However, if I have 1011 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,320 Speaker 1: to go and audition and try to get the job, 1012 00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,560 Speaker 1: that means my other shows aren't working and they failed. 1013 00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,479 Speaker 1: So now the character's name is gonna be Bobby Bones. 1014 00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,960 Speaker 1: So you'll just be auditioning. We'll see how well you 1015 00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,760 Speaker 1: can act as yourself. You know, I would maybe like 1016 00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,720 Speaker 1: a what was who's the guy from Gossip Girl? Adam 1017 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,480 Speaker 1: Brody says, yeah, I can see that, but yeah, like 1018 00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,360 Speaker 1: put some glasses on it. He's better looking than night 1019 00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,000 Speaker 1: and we always want someone, you know, to play a 1020 00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,480 Speaker 1: better looking version of you, So I would definitely try 1021 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:40,040 Speaker 1: to take it up a notch. So you know, I 1022 00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,640 Speaker 1: think or the guy that plays Dexter is a little 1023 00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,240 Speaker 1: older than me, but he kind of has the same 1024 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,600 Speaker 1: look that I do. Yeah, you guys do. Yeah, I 1025 00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,920 Speaker 1: didn't think about that before. We all do have like 1026 00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,480 Speaker 1: similar features. So one of those two guys probably, if 1027 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:59,440 Speaker 1: not those two Denzel, I know. I'm sure Jared is 1028 01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,800 Speaker 1: is noting all of this for our past wish lists, 1029 01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,479 Speaker 1: but it'll be an easy one to get. He's always 1030 01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,600 Speaker 1: wanted to play me, so he's probably just waiting for 1031 01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:13,120 Speaker 1: that call. Oh, buy a phone. Yeah, yeah, maybe we 1032 01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:14,919 Speaker 1: should just go ahead and make that call. Now, we'll 1033 01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,600 Speaker 1: do it on your show. Give me a number, I'll 1034 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,800 Speaker 1: call them. Well, listen, let me say to you, congratulations. 1035 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:22,880 Speaker 1: You just did such a fantastic job. I know that 1036 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,439 Speaker 1: anytime you approach something new artistically, there's always risk, there's 1037 01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,880 Speaker 1: always nerves, and there's always that moment when it goes 1038 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,360 Speaker 1: out to folks. You know what's happened with me with 1039 01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,160 Speaker 1: books and radio shows and even new comedy material. But 1040 01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:36,720 Speaker 1: you're always like, Okay, now's the time where I'm going 1041 01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,280 Speaker 1: to see if people like it or not. I'm just 1042 01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:39,560 Speaker 1: out there. And you had to do that in such 1043 01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,920 Speaker 1: a big way, and you just did such a great job. 1044 01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:45,200 Speaker 1: And I hope you're you're proud of yourself for all 1045 01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,880 Speaker 1: the passion and work and also talent that you put 1046 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,840 Speaker 1: into this. Thanks, Bobby. I appreciate that a lot. That 1047 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,880 Speaker 1: means the world coming from you, and I can't I 1048 01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,880 Speaker 1: know he wouldn't have had the success we've had with 1049 01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,000 Speaker 1: this project if you hadn't been involved, and you were. 1050 01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,600 Speaker 1: You were there from the get go, and I just 1051 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,640 Speaker 1: can't thank you enough for being a part of this 1052 01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,840 Speaker 1: and taking time to you know, talk about the project 1053 01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:10,400 Speaker 1: today and before we dive into you know, the holiday 1054 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,200 Speaker 1: break and whatnot. But um, yeah, thank you so much 1055 01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:17,600 Speaker 1: for um talking community. Good enun to you. Always good 1056 01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:22,720 Speaker 1: to see you, and you know, Jared and Nicole Gallian Randa, 1057 01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:24,840 Speaker 1: you know, I could keep going. Like you said, there's 1058 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,680 Speaker 1: so many people just a plus to you guys. It 1059 01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,680 Speaker 1: was a thrill to just be able to, you know, 1060 01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,360 Speaker 1: watch the masters at work. So thank you for letting 1061 01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,000 Speaker 1: me a part of it. And hopefully I'll talk to 1062 01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,720 Speaker 1: you soon. All right, talk soon, all right, bye bye. Hi. 1063 01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,720 Speaker 1: The art world it is essentially a money laundering business. 1064 01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,960 Speaker 1: The best fakes are still hanging off people's walls. You know, 1065 01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,600 Speaker 1: they don't even know or suspect that they're fakes. 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Sports Illustrated 1097 01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,920 Speaker 1: Weekly is here to bring you the entertaining tales you 1098 01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,360 Speaker 1: can't get anywhere else, the kinds of stories that make 1099 01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:04,280 Speaker 1: you smile, laugh, clap and cry, marvel, think, and fall 1100 01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,520 Speaker 1: in love with sports all over again. Sports Illustrated Weekly 1101 01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:11,720 Speaker 1: is available every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 1102 01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:19,560 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. Subscribe now. So this 1103 01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,240 Speaker 1: is really cool. Sony Music is the record label for 1104 01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,200 Speaker 1: this project, and they ran a contest for one lucky 1105 01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,680 Speaker 1: fan to get into a conversation with me, which is 1106 01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:33,440 Speaker 1: crazy because I've never had fans up until now. I 1107 01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,000 Speaker 1: was very excited to share the insights that I had 1108 01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,600 Speaker 1: into what it takes to become a songwriter in Nashville, 1109 01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,040 Speaker 1: especially as somebody who's experienced it. You know, firsthand this 1110 01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,920 Speaker 1: past year, so I'm extremely happy to share this conversation 1111 01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:50,760 Speaker 1: with you all. Hey, Angela, thank you so much for 1112 01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,520 Speaker 1: you know, submitting to the contest, and thank you so 1113 01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,960 Speaker 1: much for tuning into the project. You know, we weren't 1114 01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:02,080 Speaker 1: quite sure how, you know, would our listeners would respond, 1115 01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,000 Speaker 1: so thank you so much for being a fan of 1116 01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:07,360 Speaker 1: the show. Of course, thank you so much for having me. 1117 01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just I can't believe that I want 1118 01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:15,320 Speaker 1: this contest. I just enter just to hopefully see what happens, 1119 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:19,000 Speaker 1: and here we are. A Well, I'm so glad that 1120 01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:23,840 Speaker 1: you did. You said that you're a songwriter yourself, so 1121 01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:27,760 Speaker 1: is that something Is that what really trained you about 1122 01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:32,080 Speaker 1: the show? Or yes'm I would love to pursue a 1123 01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:36,960 Speaker 1: career in songwriting. I've been songwriting for a few years now, 1124 01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:40,920 Speaker 1: just really getting focused into it. And yes, when I 1125 01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:44,400 Speaker 1: heard about the podcast, I just I knew I had 1126 01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,240 Speaker 1: to listen to it because there probably aren't a lot 1127 01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:50,640 Speaker 1: of podcasts and not a lot of you know, like 1128 01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:54,040 Speaker 1: information about what goes on behind the scenes, so I 1129 01:05:54,120 --> 01:06:00,200 Speaker 1: know that it is a tough industry to get into. Sorry, yeah, 1130 01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,560 Speaker 1: but what did you feel like you connected to the 1131 01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:07,640 Speaker 1: most with Charlotte about I feel like there was a 1132 01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:12,160 Speaker 1: lot of parallels with Charlotte and I m including, you know, 1133 01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:21,640 Speaker 1: the pressure of being the best and just invading music rope, 1134 01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:29,760 Speaker 1: you know. I yeah, here, I am a girl and 1135 01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:33,640 Speaker 1: from the West the you know, a songwriter or a singer, 1136 01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:38,000 Speaker 1: you know, just making it in the business. So yeah, 1137 01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,480 Speaker 1: I feel like Charlotte and I do have a lot 1138 01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:45,880 Speaker 1: of similarities with that absolutely well. The thing nowadays everybody 1139 01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,280 Speaker 1: being on Zoom, it's like you can be you can 1140 01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:55,200 Speaker 1: be writing from anywhere and and we're all working remote least. 1141 01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:57,880 Speaker 1: It's kind of I feel like it takes I know 1142 01:06:57,880 --> 01:06:59,720 Speaker 1: what I'm feeling is though, because I lived in LA 1143 01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:04,360 Speaker 1: for thirteen years, so I've had that same kind of 1144 01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:08,080 Speaker 1: nervous approach. Even though I come from a country Texas background, 1145 01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,880 Speaker 1: I just had the same nervousness of like, oh gosh, 1146 01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:13,880 Speaker 1: here I am coming from the West Coast, are they 1147 01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:19,320 Speaker 1: going to take them seriously? And you know, but you 1148 01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:24,080 Speaker 1: just let your music speak for itself, and I mean 1149 01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,080 Speaker 1: I hope so yeah, I mean, I do write from 1150 01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:30,320 Speaker 1: personal experience and you know, life experience, So I hope 1151 01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:34,080 Speaker 1: you know what you've done and what Miranda has Done, 1152 01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:37,560 Speaker 1: and Carrie Underwood and Marion Morris and all those people 1153 01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,640 Speaker 1: that I love that I look up to as singer songwriters. 1154 01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:45,600 Speaker 1: You know I do that absolutely. Well, that's what makes 1155 01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:49,240 Speaker 1: a good country writing or country music story first, you 1156 01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:52,520 Speaker 1: know for sure. So did you have any questions for 1157 01:07:52,600 --> 01:08:00,480 Speaker 1: me about storyline the characters? YEA concerned. I know that 1158 01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:03,760 Speaker 1: this was a scripted podcast. How did that come about? 1159 01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:07,600 Speaker 1: Like how you know, were you really thinking about doing 1160 01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:10,840 Speaker 1: the scripted podcast at first? Like how did you finalize 1161 01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:14,560 Speaker 1: the script at the end. Well, the songs actually came first, 1162 01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:19,840 Speaker 1: and I had written this. There's a six songs from 1163 01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:23,400 Speaker 1: the soundtrack that were just ones that I had written 1164 01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,400 Speaker 1: on my own, even just in my bedroom by myself 1165 01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:32,880 Speaker 1: for in a session in Nashville that we're uf ma 1166 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:37,040 Speaker 1: say some myself decent songs, but not not quiet country radio. 1167 01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:43,400 Speaker 1: So Jared Goodstatt, who created the podcast and the whole 1168 01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:47,880 Speaker 1: project with me and producer on the album, he said, 1169 01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,880 Speaker 1: let's just record your songs and you know we'll find 1170 01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,840 Speaker 1: we'll find a place for him because he comes from 1171 01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:59,439 Speaker 1: a world of sync music. And so yeah, the songs 1172 01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:02,880 Speaker 1: were recorded at first, They were written just over the years, 1173 01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,559 Speaker 1: just from my life experiences, and then there was this 1174 01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:09,000 Speaker 1: sort of natural story arc that developed once we had 1175 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,240 Speaker 1: the six songs on the EP. So then we took 1176 01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,280 Speaker 1: the music and basically just played it for our writer 1177 01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:19,080 Speaker 1: David Hudgens and his son Brooks Hudgens, and and they 1178 01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,760 Speaker 1: wrote based off the songs. So usually it's the other 1179 01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:27,000 Speaker 1: way around, and so it was fun to do it 1180 01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:30,920 Speaker 1: this way. Wow, that is so interesting. That is so cool. 1181 01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:35,160 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's me. I don't know, I just 1182 01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:37,640 Speaker 1: you know, that's the thing with songwriting is you know, 1183 01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:39,640 Speaker 1: you just like when you feel the inspiration, you just 1184 01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,519 Speaker 1: write and then sometimes you find a home for them 1185 01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:46,559 Speaker 1: and it could be next week, it could be five 1186 01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:51,000 Speaker 1: years from now. But that's really the story behind the 1187 01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:55,720 Speaker 1: music and the story arc of Nagative This week go yeah, 1188 01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,920 Speaker 1: So did you have these songs, you know, stashed away 1189 01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:05,800 Speaker 1: for years months? Yeah, like Breathe Tyler Rich and I 1190 01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:11,120 Speaker 1: wrote that with Jared Goodstatum like two years ago, and 1191 01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,200 Speaker 1: so I wanted to bring it into the soundtracks. I was. 1192 01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:17,640 Speaker 1: I was always a fan of that one in particular, 1193 01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,640 Speaker 1: and we needed a fictional radio hit in the storyline 1194 01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:27,559 Speaker 1: due to licensing fees and um, so we decided to 1195 01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:29,519 Speaker 1: just you know, why I pay for a song when 1196 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,759 Speaker 1: we're songwriters and we can just you know, it's already fictional, 1197 01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:36,280 Speaker 1: so let's just make a fictional radio hit. So Breathe 1198 01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:40,080 Speaker 1: the song with Tyler Rich that you hear Um, Charlotte 1199 01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:43,599 Speaker 1: and Davis perform in episode one. Tyler and I wrote 1200 01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,880 Speaker 1: that a couple of years ago, and I just wanted 1201 01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:50,040 Speaker 1: to find a home for it. And then the other 1202 01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,920 Speaker 1: songs were the same same thing. Want to that we 1203 01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,920 Speaker 1: were that We're written for the project We're Champion, which 1204 01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:02,120 Speaker 1: Miranda sings, and then working out cut by Lindsay l Oh, 1205 01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:05,800 Speaker 1: my god, that is so cool. Thanks, what do you? 1206 01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:16,960 Speaker 1: It was the most difficult part about doing list Quarantine, 1207 01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,080 Speaker 1: just off the top of my head. Um, we were 1208 01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:26,840 Speaker 1: shipping mics all over the country. U Michael Raymond James 1209 01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:30,639 Speaker 1: who plays Marshall, he lives on the East Coast, so 1210 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:36,960 Speaker 1: we shipped him a microphone and we dropped microphones around 1211 01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:41,599 Speaker 1: Los Angeles to talent with like the sanitizing kit and everything, um, 1212 01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:47,880 Speaker 1: going through all the you know before with acting and 1213 01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,479 Speaker 1: you could and in music, like, I feel like this 1214 01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,880 Speaker 1: situation has made us all become so like you have 1215 01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,080 Speaker 1: to learn how to use all this technology or else 1216 01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:01,639 Speaker 1: you're gonna fall behind. So there were some growing pains 1217 01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:06,080 Speaker 1: with myself and some of percast trying to figure out 1218 01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:10,680 Speaker 1: you know, uploading files to drop Box, I mean, and 1219 01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:15,840 Speaker 1: incredible actors, but you know we're not the most tech 1220 01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:22,080 Speaker 1: savvy bunch. But um that yeah, that was the most 1221 01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:27,400 Speaker 1: challenging part of it. And um yeah, off the top 1222 01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:36,200 Speaker 1: of my head. And Marshal it is hysterical, like his 1223 01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:41,160 Speaker 1: sense of hysterical. He's pretty. Uh, he's pretty he's pretty 1224 01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:43,559 Speaker 1: quick witted and a lot of that. He did a 1225 01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:47,800 Speaker 1: lot of improvising and it would he's such an incredible 1226 01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:51,680 Speaker 1: actor and he like stays in it and and this 1227 01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,200 Speaker 1: has honestly been like the best acting class of my life, 1228 01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,439 Speaker 1: getting to work with actors such as him. But like 1229 01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:02,439 Speaker 1: they am, it's just yeah, we just we just had 1230 01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:04,280 Speaker 1: a lot of fun doing this. And it's kind of 1231 01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:10,360 Speaker 1: like there's this element of goofy it that is on 1232 01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,960 Speaker 1: top of it doing our seems like over zoom. It's 1233 01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:18,160 Speaker 1: just funny like and so um kind of it worked 1234 01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:19,600 Speaker 1: out so much better than I thought it would be. 1235 01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:23,360 Speaker 1: But yes, he's he's definitely. Uh he and I think 1236 01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:28,240 Speaker 1: Apollo cracked me up. Oh my god. Yes, what was 1237 01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:31,800 Speaker 1: your favorite part about doing this podcast? Oh? Getting to 1238 01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,800 Speaker 1: work with such incredible talent, I mean getting to work 1239 01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:39,599 Speaker 1: with Miranda and you know, Billy, Bob and Dennis of course. 1240 01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:43,840 Speaker 1: I mean that's been that's been so rewarding. But most 1241 01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:47,960 Speaker 1: fault's telling the songwriter story. That's been my favorite part. 1242 01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:52,320 Speaker 1: And and bringing that story to you know, a new audience, 1243 01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:56,880 Speaker 1: and and seeing all the support I mean we're getting, 1244 01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:00,800 Speaker 1: we're gearing up for season two, so I think did 1245 01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:05,840 Speaker 1: something right? Yeah, oh yes you did. You did definitely, 1246 01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:10,600 Speaker 1: thank you. What do you think is the most you know, 1247 01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:16,120 Speaker 1: you have any advice? What do you how would you 1248 01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:20,760 Speaker 1: handle music city like in your opinion? You know, because 1249 01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:24,519 Speaker 1: I know Nashville is pretty cut throat, so oh it's 1250 01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:30,559 Speaker 1: advice for it's you know, it's like, I think it 1251 01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,240 Speaker 1: feels cut throat because of the pressure that we put 1252 01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,960 Speaker 1: on ourselves, but really it's there's so many, so many 1253 01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:42,120 Speaker 1: incredible songwriters here that just want to write. So my 1254 01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:47,200 Speaker 1: advice is to just write with anyone, everyone, whoever. You know, 1255 01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:53,440 Speaker 1: you're going to have good sessions, bad sessions, great sessions 1256 01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:57,000 Speaker 1: and you don't know you won't have those experiences until 1257 01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:58,800 Speaker 1: you start putting one foot in front of the other. 1258 01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:02,240 Speaker 1: And so my advice is to just write with anyone 1259 01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,880 Speaker 1: and everyone that you can. That's you know, that's a 1260 01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:08,960 Speaker 1: pursuing the same thing and um and you'll see that 1261 01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:12,840 Speaker 1: it's not you know, the songwriters amongst each other. It 1262 01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:14,840 Speaker 1: doesn't feel as much cut throat because it kind of 1263 01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:17,479 Speaker 1: feels like, all right, we're rolling this together. Let's write 1264 01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,080 Speaker 1: together because you can't you you need each other. You know. 1265 01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,200 Speaker 1: It's not as much like acting where you're on you know, 1266 01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,720 Speaker 1: you're auditioning, you're going into these auditions. You can do 1267 01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:29,439 Speaker 1: that by yourself with the casting director reading the lines. 1268 01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:33,040 Speaker 1: But with songwriting it's so much there's so much collaborative 1269 01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:36,360 Speaker 1: collaboration that needs to take place and trust in the room. 1270 01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:43,799 Speaker 1: So that's just that's my advice as to just write 1271 01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:47,280 Speaker 1: with anyone and feel, you know, like you can be 1272 01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:51,519 Speaker 1: vulnerable with them. Vulnerability is the number one thing, and 1273 01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:59,479 Speaker 1: obviously trust is too, but vulnerability in order to you know, 1274 01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:04,360 Speaker 1: connect with the lyrics, I think is something that means 1275 01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:07,519 Speaker 1: do you, um, are you do you play a guitar 1276 01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:14,720 Speaker 1: or piano or I don't play any instruments. Um, yes, 1277 01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,640 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm with that. Um. But one of 1278 01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:23,479 Speaker 1: my goals is to learn to play guitar. Uh huh. 1279 01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:27,800 Speaker 1: My mom year years ago bought me a guitar and 1280 01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:32,479 Speaker 1: it just that in the corner of my room for years, 1281 01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:36,160 Speaker 1: and I regret. Definitely, it's there for you. It's there 1282 01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:38,920 Speaker 1: for you. There's you know, songwriting that there's so many 1283 01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,280 Speaker 1: different parts of it where there's somebody in the room 1284 01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:46,360 Speaker 1: that top lines and is the lyricist and you know, 1285 01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:49,519 Speaker 1: there's That's another great thing about collaborating with other writers 1286 01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:54,720 Speaker 1: is that you know where you feel like you might 1287 01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,320 Speaker 1: need more work, someone else in the room might have 1288 01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:02,640 Speaker 1: that quality and so it kind of it's together. And 1289 01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,960 Speaker 1: but I was anna melody first or um, you know 1290 01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:12,720 Speaker 1: what your songwriting process is? Yeah, I feel like I 1291 01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:16,679 Speaker 1: do melody first, or if I have like an idea 1292 01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:18,880 Speaker 1: about what I want the song to be written about, 1293 01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:22,280 Speaker 1: it's probably just like the chorus and then I write 1294 01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:28,240 Speaker 1: around that. So yeah, I mean I don't have a specific, 1295 01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:35,040 Speaker 1: you know process, it's just whatever I feel you know 1296 01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:40,880 Speaker 1: is right first. Yeah, that's very true to songwriting. Did 1297 01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,200 Speaker 1: you always want to be a songwriter or how did 1298 01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:50,439 Speaker 1: that wrote? Um, I didn't ever think of it as 1299 01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:54,639 Speaker 1: a career. You know, there's so many things, there's many 1300 01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:58,519 Speaker 1: parts of the industry that you don't think about when 1301 01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:01,120 Speaker 1: you're twelve with a guitar. You know, you just think 1302 01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,559 Speaker 1: I would think Leanne Ms or you know, somebody that's 1303 01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:10,680 Speaker 1: like on stage performing, and so the thinking of being 1304 01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,160 Speaker 1: a songwriter was not something it was. It didn't. It 1305 01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,960 Speaker 1: really wasn't until like the last within the last five years, 1306 01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:21,160 Speaker 1: I thought, oh, you know, I want to do this professionally. 1307 01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,200 Speaker 1: But I've been playing guitar and writing since I was 1308 01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:26,519 Speaker 1: about twelve or fourteen, and it was really just for 1309 01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:30,280 Speaker 1: fun and um, and then I started working in like 1310 01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:36,520 Speaker 1: the kind of commercial space and writing songs for commercials, 1311 01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:41,320 Speaker 1: and then it really opened up that door of opportunity 1312 01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:46,880 Speaker 1: and just the idea of, you know, making music for 1313 01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:51,840 Speaker 1: a career. It just seems like, well that that doesn't 1314 01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,679 Speaker 1: seem possible because it's it's just so fun and it's 1315 01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,240 Speaker 1: it's fun and it's easy, and you know, but that's 1316 01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:01,000 Speaker 1: when you know you know you're doing the right thing, right, 1317 01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,120 Speaker 1: I mean, or at least you hope you think you're 1318 01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:07,080 Speaker 1: doing the right thing. I know, for me, I feel 1319 01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:09,519 Speaker 1: like I am, but then there's like million voices in 1320 01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:12,120 Speaker 1: my head like no, Angela, this is a dream like 1321 01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:16,800 Speaker 1: m that's just going to be so far fetched. You 1322 01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,040 Speaker 1: can't you know that you can't reach and people are 1323 01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:22,679 Speaker 1: telling you that you're crazy. So it's just getting those 1324 01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:27,880 Speaker 1: voices out of my head and just yeah, good. Well 1325 01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,479 Speaker 1: that's I feel like that happens with anybody at any 1326 01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:33,040 Speaker 1: point in their career. There's always that kind of that 1327 01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:35,240 Speaker 1: voice in your head that you kind of have to 1328 01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:39,799 Speaker 1: put aside and and you know that's that's so normal 1329 01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:44,400 Speaker 1: for anybody any point in their career. UM, so my 1330 01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:48,320 Speaker 1: advice to you is to just keep writing. Well do 1331 01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:58,120 Speaker 1: I will take that. Um. One last question, Um, of 1332 01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:03,000 Speaker 1: the GRAMNE nominations are women, and right, UM, how do 1333 01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,439 Speaker 1: you feel about the woman in the music industry? Now? 1334 01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:07,920 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm you know, we are seeing an 1335 01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:13,719 Speaker 1: up climb, which is good. Oh gosh, I mean, it's 1336 01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:20,160 Speaker 1: it's about damn time. Um. You know, I I'm so 1337 01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:26,200 Speaker 1: proud of like my fellow you know, female writers and 1338 01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:30,679 Speaker 1: artists and you know for all everyone just being so 1339 01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:36,040 Speaker 1: just persistent with it because you could have it could 1340 01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:39,960 Speaker 1: have you know, they're they're all those artists. They could 1341 01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,479 Speaker 1: have just gotten so fed up with it and tired 1342 01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,880 Speaker 1: and feeling defeated, and they could have gave up. And 1343 01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,720 Speaker 1: they didn't. You know, they kept going and going and 1344 01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:51,200 Speaker 1: fighting to get their voice heard and fighting to get 1345 01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:56,040 Speaker 1: their song or voice on on country radio or any 1346 01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,760 Speaker 1: radio really, and so it's just it's just that, you know, 1347 01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,680 Speaker 1: I'm really proud of all those women for sticking with it, 1348 01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,200 Speaker 1: you know, and women in music. You know, it's like 1349 01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:09,320 Speaker 1: there is a change, and you know, I don't I 1350 01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:15,000 Speaker 1: don't think there's any reason or need to like point 1351 01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,840 Speaker 1: fingers at anybody for the way that is. It just 1352 01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,040 Speaker 1: has been. That's just been the way it has been. 1353 01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:25,240 Speaker 1: So I'm just so proud of, you know, these women 1354 01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:31,440 Speaker 1: for just you know, push them through and getting that nomination. 1355 01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:35,880 Speaker 1: I mean, each of their stories is I can't even imagine, 1356 01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,400 Speaker 1: you know, what they've what they've been through to to 1357 01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:40,200 Speaker 1: get to this point in their career. And so that 1358 01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:42,880 Speaker 1: was also part of what we The story one wanted 1359 01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:47,439 Speaker 1: to tell for um Magative as we Go is is 1360 01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:51,840 Speaker 1: the voice that's behind country radio because there's you know, 1361 01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:56,040 Speaker 1: these guys on country radio singing the words written by 1362 01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:59,840 Speaker 1: these amazing women in Nashville writing the songs. So you know, 1363 01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:05,840 Speaker 1: we wanted to to share their stories and so I mean, 1364 01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:09,960 Speaker 1: it's an an incredible number and I'm just so happy 1365 01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:13,559 Speaker 1: to see that it's changed. I know, so am. I 1366 01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:17,519 Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, as women, when we do 1367 01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:20,880 Speaker 1: put a lot of pressure on ourselves, and you know too, 1368 01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:26,160 Speaker 1: we put a lot of us out there, you know, 1369 01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:30,439 Speaker 1: a lot of ourselves out there. So you know, for 1370 01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:37,759 Speaker 1: these women to be nominated in this big, this big 1371 01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:41,320 Speaker 1: category or this big award show is just it's amazing 1372 01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:44,200 Speaker 1: to watch. And I just hope that, you know, we 1373 01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:50,240 Speaker 1: could keep that percentage getting higher. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Well 1374 01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:53,720 Speaker 1: it's a start and and yeah, well, thank you so 1375 01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:58,280 Speaker 1: much for taking time to talk with me and for 1376 01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:03,280 Speaker 1: listening to the project. And I just it's, you know again, 1377 01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:06,960 Speaker 1: it's we didn't know what kind of reaction we'd get, 1378 01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:10,480 Speaker 1: and my dream was to be able to reach another 1379 01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:15,320 Speaker 1: female songwriter and that has been you. So thank you 1380 01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:17,800 Speaker 1: so much. This means a lot to me, So thank you, 1381 01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:23,000 Speaker 1: of course, no, thank you so much for making an 1382 01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:26,519 Speaker 1: impact in my life and for inspiring me. And you know, 1383 01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:30,080 Speaker 1: I hope inspiring not just me, but many others, I'm sure, 1384 01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,439 Speaker 1: and you did such a great job, and congratulations and 1385 01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:38,599 Speaker 1: all the success you Thank you so much. That means well, 1386 01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:42,720 Speaker 1: you definitely deserve it for sure. Thank you well you 1387 01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:48,360 Speaker 1: get those guitar lessons going. I will I will well. 1388 01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:51,040 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for falling me on my journey 1389 01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:53,360 Speaker 1: this year. I promised there is much more to come, 1390 01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:57,240 Speaker 1: including a pretty amazing song, if I may say so myself, 1391 01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,320 Speaker 1: that I'm going to share with you at the end 1392 01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:02,479 Speaker 1: of this podcast ask called Howdy Christmas. I wrote this 1393 01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:06,839 Speaker 1: with my partner Jared Goodstadt, and it's performed by myself 1394 01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:11,120 Speaker 1: and country superstar Hailey Witters. It's been incredible getting to 1395 01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:15,200 Speaker 1: work with all these talented and inspiring women Lindsay l 1396 01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:18,040 Speaker 1: Randa Lambert and a Cold Galleon, and I cannot thank 1397 01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:21,360 Speaker 1: them enough. And I want to give a special shout 1398 01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:26,120 Speaker 1: out on that note and express support for this special, 1399 01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:29,799 Speaker 1: very special organization for any female artists or any female 1400 01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,439 Speaker 1: in the music business. She Is the Music is a 1401 01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:37,840 Speaker 1: nonprofit organization working in music to bring visibility and opportunities 1402 01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:41,400 Speaker 1: to women in the industry. Their three pillars include all 1403 01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:45,479 Speaker 1: female writing camps, the largest global database of women in 1404 01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:49,639 Speaker 1: music and mentorship opportunities. Visit she is the music dot 1405 01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:52,320 Speaker 1: org to learn more. Thanks to our sponsor, You're a 1406 01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:54,760 Speaker 1: leave her who helped make this project possible. Check out 1407 01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:56,840 Speaker 1: all the music from Making Up as we Go. And 1408 01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:04,240 Speaker 1: now here's howdy Christmas tree is dressed with Christmas souvenirs. 1409 01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:16,160 Speaker 1: Let's not let the magic disappear. And if the Christmas 1410 01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:26,599 Speaker 1: light never shine this bright, all always be merry. As 1411 01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:31,000 Speaker 1: long as I got the best boots and bells on 1412 01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:37,840 Speaker 1: heading home where I'm along that Tennessee ten sol all 1413 01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:44,240 Speaker 1: my Christmas tree, a little lenog in my whiskey dying. 1414 01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:50,040 Speaker 1: That's all I need to give anything. Howdy howdy Christmas 1415 01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:59,639 Speaker 1: to you, will to stay around that Christmas tree all 1416 01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:08,280 Speaker 1: only literally in my list, it's only one thing. I mean, 1417 01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:13,880 Speaker 1: he's spending in a differing mean stepping on my feet. 1418 01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:18,920 Speaker 1: I got my best boots and bells on heading home 1419 01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:25,200 Speaker 1: where I'm along that Tennessee tensel on my Christmas tree, 1420 01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:32,880 Speaker 1: a little knocking my whiskey rt on me to give 1421 01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:39,880 Speaker 1: me thing, Howey d Christmas to you. You can drop 1422 01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:42,960 Speaker 1: a couple of tunes on that talk. I can be 1423 01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:48,240 Speaker 1: harmed me because there ain't nothing better this holiday. You 1424 01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:55,960 Speaker 1: running next to me, and I'm putting him always you, 1425 01:26:56,040 --> 01:27:13,400 Speaker 1: and that ain't n or like christ You bro got 1426 01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:19,040 Speaker 1: my best boats, bells on heading home, rib along that 1427 01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:25,280 Speaker 1: Tennessee tensel on my Christmas tree a little like now 1428 01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:30,439 Speaker 1: with my whiskey rum and that's all I need to 1429 01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:36,640 Speaker 1: give me saying hippy Christmas to you. I got my 1430 01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:41,120 Speaker 1: best boats and bells on heading home way ribb along 1431 01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:48,479 Speaker 1: that Tennessee dil on my Christmas tree a little long 1432 01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:54,439 Speaker 1: with my whiskey. Not that's funny to give me singing 1433 01:27:54,840 --> 01:28:01,160 Speaker 1: hippy out of Christmas to you. I've got my bells 1434 01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:08,160 Speaker 1: on get it all where along that Tennessey tessel on 1435 01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:16,720 Speaker 1: a Christmas tree in the whiskey fun that's funny to 1436 01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:23,320 Speaker 1: give me singing Highey Christmas to you? Get the singing 1437 01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:31,360 Speaker 1: ay d Christmas to you? To give me singing Holley 1438 01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:56,280 Speaker 1: and Christmas too once the last time you took a 1439 01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:59,400 Speaker 1: time out. I'm Eve Rodsky, author of the New York 1440 01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:03,320 Speaker 1: Times Best fair Play and Find Your Unicorn Space, activists 1441 01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:06,559 Speaker 1: on the gender division of labor, attorney and family mediator. 1442 01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,880 Speaker 1: And I'm doctor adding a rucar A Harvard physician and 1443 01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:13,680 Speaker 1: medical correspondent with an expertise and the science of stress, resilience, 1444 01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:18,280 Speaker 1: mental health, and burnout. We're so excited to share our podcasts, Timeout, 1445 01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:22,360 Speaker 1: a production of iHeart Podcasts and Hello Sunshine. We're peeling 1446 01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:25,040 Speaker 1: back the layers around why society makes it so easy 1447 01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:28,120 Speaker 1: to guard men's time like it's diamonds and treat women's 1448 01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:31,639 Speaker 1: time like it's infinite, like sand. And so, whether you're 1449 01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:34,519 Speaker 1: partnered with or without children, or in a career where 1450 01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:36,920 Speaker 1: you want more boundaries, this is a place for you, 1451 01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:40,639 Speaker 1: for people of all family structures. So take this time 1452 01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:44,720 Speaker 1: out with us to learn, get inspired, and most importantly, 1453 01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:49,960 Speaker 1: reclaim your time. Listen to Timeout, a fair play podcast, 1454 01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:54,200 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get 1455 01:29:54,200 --> 01:30:01,320 Speaker 1: your podcasts. On April fourth, ninet sixty eight, doctor Martin 1456 01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:04,000 Speaker 1: Luther King was shot and killed in Memphis. A petty 1457 01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:08,479 Speaker 1: criminal named James Earl Ray was arrested. Case closed right 1458 01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:13,559 Speaker 1: James Ylvay was a pawn for the official story. Some 1459 01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:16,639 Speaker 1: of the evidence, as far as I was concerned, did 1460 01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:20,880 Speaker 1: not match the circumstances. This is the MLK Tapes. The 1461 01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:24,760 Speaker 1: first episodes are available now Listen on the iHeartRadio app, 1462 01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:30,639 Speaker 1: Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Jake Halburn, 1463 01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:34,040 Speaker 1: host of deep Cover. Our new season is about a 1464 01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:38,080 Speaker 1: lawyer who helped the mob run Chicago. He bribed judges 1465 01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:41,200 Speaker 1: and even helped a hit man walk free, until one 1466 01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:44,479 Speaker 1: day when he started talking with the FBI and promised 1467 01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:47,559 Speaker 1: that he could take the mob down. I've spent the 1468 01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:50,000 Speaker 1: past year trying to figure out why he flipped and 1469 01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:52,840 Speaker 1: what he was really after. Listen to deep Cover on 1470 01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:57,160 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.