1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Hey guys, we're back on. Normally the show with almost takes, 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: but when the news gets weird. 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 2: I am Mary Captain Camp and I'm Karl Marco. Sorry, 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: Mary Captain. 5 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: All Right, the news is as busy as my weekend one. 6 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: So we had one of those weekends where you do 7 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: so so so many things. 8 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of busy. 9 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 4: Price I got through it. 10 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 2: It's unpleasant because you just feel like you need another weekend, 11 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 2: Like that wasn't a weekend? 12 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 3: What was that? 13 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 4: What happened there? 14 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 5: Yeah? 15 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 3: You know I did. 16 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: On Friday night, I went to see Shane Gillis, and 17 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 2: I have to say, even though the show was super 18 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: raunchy and like definitely went too far from me in 19 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: a couple of different spots, but I will say I 20 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: think that Shane Gillis is the most bipartisan comedian working today. 21 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,639 Speaker 2: And I say that, Look, obviously we were Nate Bergazzi 22 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: fans on this show. He does not know politics at all. 23 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: Sebastian Manoscalco, I love him. He really doesn't do politics either. 24 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: I'm talking people who do politics and make fun of 25 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: both sides equally. Gillis might be the top of the 26 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: list for me and the left will never accept him 27 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 2: because he codes so conservative, and he talked about how 28 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: he was like sort of affiliated with BLM, and he 29 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: was very outraged about the killing of George Floyd and 30 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 2: all of this stuff, and how he sort of moved 31 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: rightward in the last few years. But he still seems 32 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: very in the middle. 33 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 3: And if the left. 34 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 2: Would wake up a little bit, they'd realize what they 35 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 2: have in a Shane Gillis type. 36 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: I mean, like normal dudes, whogite and like football and beer, 37 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: end up getting pushed to the right by the psychos 38 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: on the left, crazy right, like a storyline I've seen before. 39 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 3: You've heard of. 40 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: This, yes, And then they'd be like, we need a 41 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: Shane Gillis for the left, Like, yeah. 42 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 4: You had one, right, you had one. 43 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: Now. I do think every time I see live comedy, 44 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: I have more fun than I thought I was going. 45 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, right, I get there right now. 46 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: I get a little nervous to watch other people speak, 47 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: which is silly because I speak all the time, but 48 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: that's part of it. It just kind of like I 49 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: get sympathetic nervousness for other people. Sure, and when they're good, 50 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: they're great. Chris Rock is also a good one for 51 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: making fun of all sorts of people. I've seen him 52 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,119 Speaker 1: live before, and he ticks off everyone at some point 53 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: during the show. 54 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 3: Right, Yes, that's exactly what this was. 55 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: And I would say Shane Gillis's comments about Joe Biden 56 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: or the warmest comments I've heard from anyone about Joel 57 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: Biden in many, many years. 58 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: So Gillis just went after his fellow comedians, by the way, 59 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: for performing in Uh. Yeah, he's not afraid to jump 60 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: in the mix. 61 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 4: All right, little news, Yes, yes, okay. 62 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: So we're going to talk education because we like to 63 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: get into that, and there's a couple crazy stories. 64 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 4: One, let's talk about literacy. 65 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about the national report card 66 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: that came out a week and a half, two weeks ago, 67 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: and you know, the top lines on that are really embarrassing. 68 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: I'll just run through a couple of them real quick, 69 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: which is, twelfth grader scores dropped to their lowest level 70 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: in more than twenty years. Scores for lowest performing students 71 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 1: are at historic lows. In reading, the average score was 72 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: the lowest score in the history of the assessment. It's bad. 73 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: Thirty two percent of high school seniors scored below basic 74 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: which means that they cannot find details in a text 75 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: and helped them understand the meaning of the text. So 76 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: we're not doing great. Math is equally problematic. But I 77 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about literacy because Kelsey to Ok is 78 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: that how. 79 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 4: You say your last name. 80 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: She's a ye, Kelsey to Oak, who writes for The Argument, 81 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: which is sort of a place that the left is 82 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: trying to have fights about the abundance renewal that they 83 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: want to go on, or what their party's going to be. 84 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: And I think Kelsey thinks critically about a lot of things. 85 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: And she has written about the Mississippi miracle and the 86 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: Southern Surge wherein all the Red. 87 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 4: States have figured out how to teach. 88 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: Kids to read and Blue states are inexplicably not following 89 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: their lead. 90 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 2: It's wild because they're not doing anything special. 91 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 3: That's what's really so crazy about this. 92 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 2: I wrote about this in February and it wasn't It's 93 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: not just Mississippi. I wrote about Louisiana and they have 94 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 2: an amazing superintendent there. His name is Kad Brumley. You'll 95 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: hear about him in other places. He credits the achievement 96 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 2: with quote going back to basics and this is a 97 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 2: quote from him. We've done symbolic things like shipping old 98 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,559 Speaker 2: school flash cards with math facts to every elementary school 99 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 2: in the state. He said, that is what they came 100 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 2: up with. They went back to flash cards, and they 101 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: do things like they get kids help instead of just 102 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 2: promoting them, I mean, really obvious, basic things. And yet 103 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 2: the Blue states can't manage it. And you know one 104 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: thing that Kelsey writes, and she says, I like this 105 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: part a lot when she points out many people who 106 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 2: aren't too focused on education policies seem to imagine Mississippi 107 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 2: has simply simply stopped underperforming that they're now doing about 108 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 2: as well as everyone else. This is not true. They 109 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 2: haven't just caught up to your state. They are now 110 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 2: wildly out performing it. And it was true for a 111 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: while that these states were catching up, and then they 112 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: caught up and went way past everyone well. 113 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 4: And it's also that they are serving. 114 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: Low income and minority children better than California. 115 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 4: She uses California as an. 116 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: Example because she lives there and she pays taxes there, 117 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: where they spend a ton more money and are not 118 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: serving these students. So it turns out that low income 119 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: black students can learn to read, and that you shouldn't 120 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: treat them as if they cannot and that this is 121 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: some impossible task. In fact, you just use phonics, you 122 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:04,679 Speaker 1: teach teachers to teach phonics, and then you apply accountability. 123 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: That's the three pronged attack that Mississippi used and that 124 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: took them from forty ninth in literacy levels to ninth 125 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: in literacy levels, and that Louisiana, Tennessee, Alabama are all following. 126 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 4: And look, it takes some time. 127 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: Sure, the solution is actually quite simple, Yeah, and it 128 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: is having these incredible results. And I kind of think 129 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: I wonder too if, like in these negative partisan polarization times, 130 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: that the way to get blue states to adopt these 131 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: things is just to troll them by saying Mississippi is 132 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: better than you. 133 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: But the thing is they won't be like, let's get 134 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: flash cards and work on phonics. 135 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 3: They're going to be like, we need this new. 136 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: Technology that everybody needs to pay more for. It's they 137 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 2: don't understand doing things that have worked in the past. Again, 138 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 2: they are completely focused on finding new angled solutions to this. 139 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 3: I don't know. 140 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: And that's why we lost ground over all those years, 141 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: is that a bunch of people got conned by this 142 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: other style of teaching reading, which is not science based, 143 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: which does which doesn't work, and makes children sort of 144 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: guess based on the context clues. 145 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 2: Makes me insane context they're reading. 146 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: It's a terrible idea, but because it was trendy and 147 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: because it's not write coded, it went everywhere. And by 148 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: the way, a lot of people say, well, if you 149 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: hold kids back in third grade, which is what Mississippi does, 150 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: and this is what the Mississippi teachers and administrators were 151 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: concerned about. They said, if you hold them back in 152 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: third grade, if they can't read, everybody's going to get 153 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: held back. But it turns out that when you put 154 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: a fire under everybody's butts and tell them they're going 155 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: to have to back everyone who can read, they teach 156 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: them to read. The adults take charge and do what 157 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: they're supposed to do. 158 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's it's so weird that there's this 159 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: stigma of being held back. You know, you ever see 160 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 2: those videos like what's like cool if you're rich, but 161 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 2: not cool if you're poor, having a refrigerator in your garage, 162 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: like all kinds of like, you know, differences like speaking 163 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: a second language. This seems like one of those things 164 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: because in elite private schools, kids get held back so 165 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: that they succeed and that they're at the top of 166 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: their class and they're bigger than everybody else and just 167 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: so many things. But if you get held back at 168 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: like a poor school, you're like dumb, and you're this 169 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: is the worst thing that could happen to you, and whatever. 170 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: It makes no sense. 171 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 3: I think the. 172 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: Social promotion is so much worse than being held back, 173 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: and the stigma around it really does need to change, 174 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 2: because this doesn't work at all. Promoting kids from third 175 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 2: grade who can't read is a. 176 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 4: Terrible idea because they just lose ground forever for the rest. 177 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 3: Of it, Nobody moves on without them. Yeah. 178 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: I want to note this part too, and I appreciate 179 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: her homing in on this. She asks why this, you know, 180 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 1: huge success that seems rather simple, isn't getting implemented everywhere, 181 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: isn't getting glossy magazine coverage, isn't getting documentaries, And some 182 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: educational leaders tell her this is just a politically awkward story. 183 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: Education policy expert Andy Rotherham told me, it's all these 184 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: red states. This is a very ideological field, people struggle 185 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: with calling balls and strikes. Karen Vates, who's a friend 186 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: of mine, who's a great follow on Twitter, Yeah, says 187 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: I think the story is going untold for the same 188 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: reason journalists ignored the successful school reopening stories in Florida 189 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: and the rest of the Sun Belt in August twenty twenty. 190 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: The appetite to tell positive stories in red states is low. 191 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say about that though. 192 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: They also ignored European schools opening because they couldn't fit 193 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 2: it into their ideological model. Now, if your an ideological 194 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 2: model is more important than kids learning, you have a 195 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: bad ideological model. 196 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 3: And I think that that's just the case. 197 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 2: And again, you know, why isn't this story being told. 198 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: It is being told on the conservative side. It's being 199 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 2: told by the people you don't listen to and don't 200 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: read and don't follow. 201 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 4: Carol's written about it, I've written about it. 202 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's good to start talking about it no normally. 203 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's good to see it get more coverage. 204 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: And I think you know, what I've heard from literacy 205 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: experts is that one of the things that needs to 206 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: be done is people in blue states need to talk 207 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: to their school boards and say why are you not Mississippi, 208 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: Why aren't you making this happen? 209 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 4: Because they're not. 210 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: They're so ensconced in their bubbles that getting them to 211 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: consider Mississippi's success is not going to happen without outside. 212 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 3: Pressure and they deserve that pressure. 213 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 4: Well, should we talk about their bubble and what it causes? 214 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 3: Let's do that. 215 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, we got another good one out of des Moines, Iowa. 216 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: The superintendent of des Moines Public Schools was picked up 217 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: by Ice because he had a deportation order from twenty 218 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: twenty four. He has had a weapons charge against him, 219 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: he has a criminal record. It turned out so that 220 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: he's probably falsified a lot of his educational achievements, and 221 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: he went on the run when Ice came after him. 222 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: So that's who they hired to be the superintendent of 223 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: des Moines Public Schools. Jackie Norris, who was an ex 224 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: Michelle Obama, which is a former Michelle Obama aide, is 225 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: the head of this school board and led the hiring 226 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: of this man. 227 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 4: And I just want you to listen, Carol to what 228 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 4: she had to. 229 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: Say about how we should feel about the guy she 230 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: hired being picked up by Ice. 231 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 6: On behalf of the Des Moines Public School community. I 232 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 6: want to provide an update from district leadership and the 233 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 6: board on the current situation unfolding with our superintendent, Doctor 234 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 6: Ian Roberts. Before we begin, it seems fitting to take 235 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 6: a page out of doctor Robert's book and ask the 236 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 6: community to engage in radical empathy as we work through 237 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 6: the situation together. Radical empathy is the recognition that we 238 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 6: can disagree and still empathize with each other the respect 239 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 6: of others humanity. This concept will be essential as we 240 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 6: wait to learn more. 241 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 4: We do not have all the facts. 242 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 6: There is much we do not know. However, what we 243 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 6: do know is that doctor Roberts has been an integral 244 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 6: part of our school community since he joined over two 245 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 6: years ago. During his time with our district, he has 246 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 6: shown up in ways big and small, and has advocated 247 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 6: for students and staff concept. 248 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of words to say. 249 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 2: He's on our team and we're going to defend him. 250 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 4: By the way, we don't know all the facts. 251 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: Your actual job is to know the facts about the 252 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: guy you hired. And I just when it comes to 253 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 1: education in liberal areas where liberals make up the school boards, 254 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: the stuff they will tell you is acceptable is astounding. 255 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: And I know because I live in one of these 256 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: areas where the school boards will just tell you, like, 257 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: no school being closed for two years is good fine. 258 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: Having a sex offender in several high school locker rooms, 259 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: who does yea, seems fine to us. In fact, let's 260 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: lobby for more of that. I mean, it's just shocking. 261 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: The bar is so so so low. And teachers like 262 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: she's going to tell parents who are upset about this 263 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 1: empathize with. 264 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 3: Him, radical empathy, and with me who hired. 265 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: Him, just like google your guy, Google your guy. 266 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 3: Right, doesn't seem like that's a stretch, right. 267 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: His public pronouncements about himself are all conflicting about where 268 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 1: he went to school, where he was born. He signed 269 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: paperwork apparently saying he was a citizen when he in 270 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: other public statements said he was born in Guyana. 271 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 4: It is wild. 272 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is where it leads when you protect 273 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 2: your side at all costs, and the left is very 274 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 2: very good at that, and this is what happens. 275 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 4: By the way. 276 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: He also Guy Binson pointed out to me this morning 277 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: that he had instituted a policy about hiring criminals. People 278 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: with criminal backgrounds was work he was for it because 279 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: it would diversify their staff. 280 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not racist. 281 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: I just yeah, these people are beyond don't let them 282 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: fool you. Make sure they teach your kids how to read, 283 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: and don't take this nonsense from them. 284 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 4: Oh it's bad. 285 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more on normally talking and 286 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 2: the New York Times just can't help itself not have 287 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 2: radical empathy for Charlie Kirk. 288 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 3: We'll be right back. 289 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 2: We are back on normally where the. 290 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 3: New York Times just can't seem. 291 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: To get itself together on the death of Charlie Kirk. 292 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 2: They don't want to be the kind of people that 293 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 2: have staffers rooting on murder of ideological foes. But that's 294 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 2: sort of where they're edging up to. So here we are, 295 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 2: and it's a Tannahisi Coates who has some words about 296 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 2: Charlie being a hate monger. And I he says, I 297 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: think Charlie Kirk was a hate monger. I take no 298 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 2: joy in the killing of anyone, no matter what they said. 299 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 2: But if you ask me what the truth of his 300 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: life was, I would have to tell you it's hate. Now, 301 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 2: Coates excused the rape murder of Israelis and said that 302 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 2: if he were gosen, he might participate in that as well. 303 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: So don't tell me that this guy is not all 304 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 2: about hate. He also very famously said that he could 305 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:17,119 Speaker 2: not relate at all to the murdered firefighters and policemen 306 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: who died on nine to eleven. They were not people 307 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 2: he felt sorry for. 308 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 3: He is full of hate and rage. 309 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 2: And yet is constantly telling us who else is hateful. 310 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a conversation with Ezra Kline, who is 311 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: one of so very few liberals who seems to understand 312 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: what the murder of Charlie Kirk requires of them, Ezra Cline, 313 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: And like one other person, who is this liberal professor 314 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: who wrote for The New York Times, so credit for 315 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: publishing it. Nicholas Kreele, an associate professor of business law 316 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: at Georgia College and State University who wrote a piece 317 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: about how he advised a turning Points chapter at his 318 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: college because a conservative professor wouldn't because he was afraid 319 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: he'd get lambasted or fired. And this guy with liberal 320 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: creds was like, I'll step in and do it, and 321 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: in the spirit of free exchange, even though I disagree 322 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: with everything they say. 323 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 4: And then Ezra Klein is like, yeah, this is an 324 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 4: attack on all of us. 325 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: It's important to honor what he was doing on campuses. 326 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: This made Tanasi Coats very angry, and they had a 327 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: public disagreement about it, and then they sat down for 328 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: a podcast together. And I just want to hear Tahanasi 329 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: Coats wrestle with this while talking to Klein. It's you 330 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: can tell how much it pains him to think that 331 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: this guy is worth saying, Oh, he shouldn't be shot. 332 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 5: Here we go, having not done the research that I 333 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 5: eventually did for the cola. There was something off about 334 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 5: what I knew about this guy and the presentation of 335 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 5: him as and I don't want to misquote you here, 336 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 5: but as basically a paragon of politics and how politics 337 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 5: should be done. So I think I had the same 338 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 5: reaction that most ordinary people would have, which is absolute 339 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 5: horror at the idea that this guy was somewhere speaking 340 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 5: and was killed. But I always think it's like important 341 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,959 Speaker 5: to differentiate how people diversus how they live. And then 342 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 5: after doing the research, I had to be honest with you. 343 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 5: That's when it got really really difficult. When I went 344 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 5: past my initial impressions and started like going through all 345 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 5: of the clips of the things he said, the way 346 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 5: he talked about people, the way he you know, described 347 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 5: groups in ways that honestly, even as I was writing it, 348 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 5: I was uncomfortable saying. And so the idea that this 349 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 5: guy should be in any way celebrated for how he 350 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 5: conducted politics, the fact that he just slurred across the board, 351 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 5: you know, all sorts of groups of people and then 352 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 5: ran an organizedation we're in you know, which appeared to 353 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 5: me just a haven a hatred. You know, I would 354 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 5: not want that to be a model for my politics. 355 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 5: And I know you know as we talked between us 356 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 5: that you know, you are not attempting to make a 357 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 5: statement for his the entirety of it. 358 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 2: Obviously obviously who was talking about the entirety of it. 359 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: I despised that line of thinking so much. No, No, 360 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 2: you and I have talked about this on here. But 361 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 2: I didn't agree with everything Mary Catherine said. 362 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 4: Yeah. 363 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 3: I didn't agree with everything. 364 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 2: Mary Catherine said, because I'm a normal person, and I 365 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: don't agree with anything anybody says. I don't agree with 366 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 2: everything my husband says. I don't agree with anything. I 367 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 2: can't think of anyone where I would agree with everything 368 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 2: that makes no sense, and the fact that there's this 369 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: guy who is considered a thinker and so smart and 370 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 2: I just don't find him that at all. But saying 371 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 2: you know, I, I know you weren't talking about the 372 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 2: entirety of Charlie Kirk's commentary, like obviously as a climb wasn't. 373 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 3: And if you watch Ezra Kline's face in that. 374 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 2: Clip, it's like he's looking at him like we are 375 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 2: never going to win again. 376 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: No, well, that's partly what he's worried about, is that 377 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: if your goal, explicitly, as Tanahasekoss is, is to say 378 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 1: that this form of argumentation that Kirk was doing is 379 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 1: on its face evil and hateful because you disagreed with 380 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: his frankly very normal policy positions, then yeah, the Democratic 381 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: Party is going to have trouble winning people over because 382 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: you are unwilling to talk to them. 383 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 4: And I want to follow that up with the. 384 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 1: Nicole Hannah Jones, who is another thinker alleged thinker from 385 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty period, who is the author of the 386 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: sixteen nineteen Project, which has all of its own accuracy 387 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: issues issues. She comes straight out and says it in 388 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: her column for The New York Times, because New York 389 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: Times needs to publish a couple people ragging on Kirk. 390 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: In some parts of polite society, it now holds that 391 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: if many of Kirk's views were repugnant, his willingness to 392 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: calmly argue about them and his insistence that people hash 393 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: out their disagreements through discourse at a time of such division, 394 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: made him a free speech advocate and an exemplar of 395 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: how we should engage politically across difference. But for those 396 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: who were directly targeted by Kirk's rhetoric, I could think 397 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: of maybe a different phrase for that in this case. 398 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 4: But she does it on purpose. 399 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, of Quesse, she does. 400 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: His thinking seems to place the civility of Kirk's style 401 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: of argument over the incivility of what he argued through 402 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: gossamer tributes. Kirk's cruel condemnation of transgender people and his 403 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: racist throwback views about black Americans were no longer anathema, 404 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: but instead or being treated as just another political view 405 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: to be respectfully debated, like a position on tax rates 406 00:21:55,800 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: or health care policy. Okay, she's incorrect about everything, incites 407 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: him saying and I don't know how it got through 408 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: all the fact checkers over at the New York Times, 409 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: but she's trying to disqualify all conservative thought. If you 410 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: express yourself in civil ways on a college campus because 411 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: Jones disagrees with you, she just says, you're a racist, fascist, 412 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: homophobe whatever, and we can't dignify this. 413 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 4: But nobody is the racist. 414 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: Fascist homophobe here except for maybe the person saying we 415 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: can't argue right. 416 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 6: And she was. 417 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 2: She led so much of the silencing of the of 418 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 2: the cancel culture years. You know, any any criticism of 419 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 2: her was racist. Anything that you know she didn't like 420 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 2: was racist. She made us at each other's throats. And 421 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 2: I have just no sympathy for the New York Times 422 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 2: being stuck with her and you know, having her be 423 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 2: kind of their their most prominent voice, because they sort 424 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 2: of deserve it at this point. 425 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 6: Yeah. 426 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: And the other thing is she doesn't write, so I 427 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: guess I'm glad something finally got her to do. 428 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 2: So, right. 429 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: I know, who knows how much they pay her, But 430 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: she doesn't turn out a lot of copy, and she. 431 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 2: Spends her time like on you know X but now 432 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 2: probably a blue sky arguing that like Anne Frank had 433 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 2: a lot of white privilege. I mean, the true story, 434 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 2: this is what she does well. 435 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: And apparently the Blue Sky folks are very angry that 436 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: Klein sat down with Dona Assikots and slightly disagreed with 437 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: him in this interview, because like how, I mean, what 438 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: is it? 439 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 4: Is it Barry Weiss that calls it the moral flattening 440 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 4: of the earth right. 441 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: If arguing is fascism, then yeah, we're not allowed to 442 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: do anything. 443 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 2: Apparently, no disagreement allowed. Obviously. 444 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: I call it like they reverse victim and offender all 445 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: the time. Like the New York Times is convinced that 446 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: lefty thinkers are the actual victims of Charlie Kirk's murder. 447 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that's it. 448 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 4: I don't think that's it. 449 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: Can I add one more thing that also goes with 450 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: our first topic, After like a week of being told 451 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: that we're the violent ones and that left the left 452 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: definitely doesn't valorize violence, and it's so far from the truth. 453 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: We are but lambs to the slaughter in this country. 454 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: We lefties who don't do any of this. The Chicago 455 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: Teachers Union honored Asada Secure in a post today. We 456 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: honor the life and legacy of a revolutionary fighter, a 457 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: fierce writer, or a revered elder of black liberation, and 458 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 1: a leader of freedom whose spirit continues to live in 459 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: our struggle. She's also convicted murderer of a New Jersey 460 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: state patrolman. She was involved in various armed bank robberies, 461 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: I believe, hostage holdings, a he she escaped to Cuba. 462 00:24:55,080 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: This was all political violence. That is good, and it's teachers, 463 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: unions and the press and entities of the left are 464 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: happy to say so, and there's. 465 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 2: No real blowback for them. There's nobody on the left 466 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: saying this is a line too far. I just again, 467 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 2: we've talked about this, but there's no self policing on 468 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 2: the left. There's no kind of think pieces like oh, 469 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 2: this is not who we are. None of that's going 470 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 2: to happen because they're on the left, and that's the squad. 471 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: Well, and when Ezra attempts to very lightly say maybe 472 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: this was an attack on us, all they're like, no, 473 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: it wasn't. 474 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 4: It was an attack on the right people, right, the 475 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 4: correct people. 476 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck with that, Ezra. 477 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 4: He's trying. 478 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: We'll be right back on normally. 479 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 7: But first it was nearly two years ago the terrorists 480 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,239 Speaker 7: murdered more than twelve hundred innocent Israelis and took two 481 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 7: hundred and fifty hostages. Today, it seems as that the 482 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 7: cries of the dead and dying have been drowned out 483 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 7: by shouts of anti Semitic hatred and the most brutal 484 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 7: attack on Jewish people since the Holocaust has been forgotten. 485 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 7: Yet is the world looks away? A light shines in 486 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 7: the darkness. It's a movement of love and support for 487 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 7: the people of Israel called Flags of Fellowship, and it's 488 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 7: organized by the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. And 489 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 7: on October fifth, just a few weeks away, millions of 490 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 7: Americans will prayerfully plant an Israeli flag in honor and 491 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 7: solidarity with the victims of October seventh, twenty twenty three 492 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 7: and their grieving families. And now you can be a 493 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 7: part of this movement too, And I know you'll want 494 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 7: to to get more information about how you can join 495 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 7: the Flags of Fellowship movement, visit the Fellowship online at 496 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 7: IFCJ dot org. 497 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 4: That's IFCJ dot org. 498 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 7: This is an issue that is close to both Carols 499 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 7: and my hearts IFCJ dot org. That's IFCJ dot org 500 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 7: will return to normally. 501 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: Right after this, we are back on normally where President 502 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 2: Trump says he's going to authorize the National Guard to 503 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 2: use quote full force in Portland to get that city 504 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 2: under control. Now, of course, the Portland mayor says that 505 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 2: there's no problem in Portland. What are you even talking about. 506 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 2: Portland's doing just super duper well. And they're suing the 507 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 2: Trump administration. In the suit, Oregon and Portland claim that 508 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 2: the federal government does not have the grounds to call 509 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 2: in the Guard. I don't know how that could be true, 510 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: and said the city has seen quote small protests near 511 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 2: an immigration and customs enforcement facility in recent weeks. The 512 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 2: Democratic governor says that she spoke to the President and 513 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 2: said there is no insurrection or threat to public safety 514 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 2: that necessitates a military intervention in Portland or any other 515 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 2: city in our state. Despite this and all evidence of 516 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 2: the contrary, she says, Trump has chosen to disregard Oregonian's 517 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 2: safety and ability to govern ourselves. This is not necessary, 518 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 2: and it is unlawful, and it will make Oregonians less safe. 519 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 2: I don't think so. 520 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 4: Again, we're reversing victim and offender. Yeah. 521 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, the reason that he's sending people to protect a 522 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: federal facility. The federal facility has been surrounded and under 523 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: siege by people who are not merely protesters. And I 524 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 1: know that the left has decided that speech is violence 525 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: and their violence speech, but violence is not speech. And 526 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: if you surround a federal facility and you will not 527 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: cooperate with law enforcement when you are asked to leave, 528 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: that law enforcement has the right to detain you, to 529 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 1: arrest you, to disperse you, and to sometimes use forced 530 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: to do that. I'm so sick of these babies acting 531 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: like they do not understand this. 532 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 2: Mark Hemingway is from Portland, and I always found that 533 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 2: he definitely has a warmth for the place. But he 534 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 2: tweets that, you know all the Senator Pat Murray had 535 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 2: tweeted Portland is a beautiful and vibrant city. It is 536 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 2: not a war zone. The president needs to keep the 537 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 2: military out of the Pacific Northwest, just another abusive. 538 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 3: Power blah blah blah. 539 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 2: Mark Hemingway retweets that and says I see vibrant as 540 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 2: part of the talking point. Downtown Portland has one of 541 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: the highest vacancy rates in the country because of the 542 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 2: deranged homeless everywhere. It is a ghost town. It is 543 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 2: decidedly not vibrant. He in another tweet, says that downtown 544 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 2: Portland is mostly vacant and full of stabby homeless addicts. 545 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 2: Portland has the second most crime of any city in America. 546 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 2: Vibrant and peaceful is objectively a lie, I believe Mark Hemingway. 547 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I have been there in the last 548 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: eight issue, like it's been a while, but like in 549 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: the last ten years, I've been several times. 550 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 4: And yes, it is hollowed out. Yes. 551 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: Many American cities decided to adopt policies that were basically 552 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: suicide for their downt town areas in twenty twenty, allowing 553 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: for rioting, allowing for vandalism, allowing for occupation of major 554 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: parts of cities, allowing for the burning of municipal buildings, 555 00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: and that violent attacks on law enforcement. These things take 556 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: a toll on those areas. And we all remember what 557 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,719 Speaker 1: Portland looked like twenty twenty and what was allowed. 558 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 4: And when you allow that, those things continue to happen. Yep, 559 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 4: they continue to happen. 560 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it doesn't have to be that way is 561 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 2: the reality of the situation. I think that we think 562 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 2: of these cities as lost forever. 563 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 4: Look. 564 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 2: I lived in New York when it made a spectacular 565 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 2: turnaround that nobody thought was possible. I live in the 566 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 2: Miami area. Now it's Miami's booming, and they've cleaned it 567 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 2: up so much. My kids get shocked when they see 568 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 2: homeless people, and it's you know, we came from Brooklyn. 569 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 2: It wasn't like they had never seen homeless people before, 570 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 2: but they had gotten used to living in a place 571 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 2: where it wasn't normal to have people just sleeping in 572 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 2: the streets, and it wasn't normal to have ten cities. 573 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 2: And now when we go places and that does exist, 574 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 2: they're like, oh, why why does this happen? I think 575 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 2: cities need to remember that they can fix themselves, and 576 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 2: I don't see why they wouldn't let the Trump administration 577 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 2: try to help. Trump administration has done an excellent job 578 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 2: in Washington, d C. I think there's very few people 579 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 2: who can argue otherwise. It's gotten cleaned up in a 580 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 2: way that nobody expected, and crime is down. All of 581 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 2: that is good. There's nothing bad about it. Just because 582 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 2: you hate Donald Trump. 583 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the thing that we really have 584 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: to consider is that the liberal bubble inside these cities, 585 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: and I think our show today is some evidence of 586 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: it is simply pro the. 587 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 2: Crime, yeah, and not being pro crime. 588 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 589 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: Just they put the criminal and the criminal's rights and 590 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: radical empathy above radical the livelihood and quality of life 591 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: of their citizens, and that does not work for normal people. 592 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a crazy thing to do. Stop with the 593 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 2: radical empathy. Just regular empathy, whether. 594 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: It's your whether it's your superintendent, or adopting literacy standards 595 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,719 Speaker 1: of a state like Mississippi, or normal just having not 596 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: open drug markets in the middle of your streets. 597 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 2: Just be normal, Just be normal what. 598 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: Some people would like and like Trump has limited power 599 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: in various cities, but if you're going after a federal building, 600 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: he has the right to protect it. 601 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he has that authority. 602 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: Well. 603 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on Normally Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, 604 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 2: and you can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. 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