1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Appreciate 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: all of you hanging out with us. I am live 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: in our Washington, d C studios. Yesterday as all the 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: news broke, I was touring college campuses with my sixteen 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: year old, So that continues. We'll dive into some of 6 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: the takeaway there. We've got three great guests that are 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: going to be here in the Clay and Buck DC studio. 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: Senator Bill Haggerty of Tennessee, who is New York Times 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: says one of the contenders for vice president. We haven't 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 1: heard him talked about a lot Byron Donald's another contender 11 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: for vice president, Florida congressman. Both of those guys will 12 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: be in studio with it with us. And then Mary 13 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: Margaret Oahan, who has written a really fascinating book called 14 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: d Trans True Stories of Escaping the Gender Identity Cult, 15 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: and it's particularly relevant because the state of Florida is 16 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: trying to keep miners from having gender reassignment surgery and 17 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: a federal judge just struck that down. We will talk 18 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: about the stories that she has found of young people 19 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: who believed, hey, if I change my gender, I'll be happier, 20 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: and they do it, and then they decide they don't 21 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: want to be living a trans lifestyle. The rebellion aspect 22 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: of this and why Buck and I have been arguing 23 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: for a long time that it's crazy to allow miners 24 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: to have these kind of surgeries. But we'll discuss all that. 25 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: All three of those guests will be in studio. But Buck, 26 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: I was just beginning the college tour process in Washington, 27 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: d C. We went around to multiple schools because my 28 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: sixteen year old is interested potentially in going to college 29 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. Loves politics, loves history, current events, government, 30 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: all those things. Probably not a surprise given what his 31 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: dad does. And I looked at on my phone and 32 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: I have gotten the alert that Hunter Biden has been 33 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: convicted on all three felony counts. 34 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: You were right on this. This is one where I 35 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 2: wasn't optimistic. 36 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: I was concerned that based on the fact that he 37 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: had a Wilmington, Delaware jury, even with open and shut evidence, 38 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: that this was going to be a crime. That I 39 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: was concerned that somebody would get on the jury and 40 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: nullify And so I'm cautiously optimistic that a conviction happened 41 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: in this case, and I know you talked about it 42 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: a little bit quite a bit yesterday, but I had 43 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: a couple of big takes that I thought were worthy 44 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: of having discussion. I'm curious what you think one and 45 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: I haven't hardly seen anybody talk about this. 46 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: The jury pool impact here. 47 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden was convicted by the absolute best possible jury 48 00:02:55,080 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: he could have in a city Wilmington, and a state Delaware, 49 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: that overwhelmingly has voted for his dad, that is his 50 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: home state. Even that jury pool, which was probably the 51 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: most favorable jury pool that Hunter Biden could get in 52 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: the entire country, convicted him. There's been a lot of 53 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: discussion about Trump's conviction. This is not similar in my mind, 54 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: because Trump had the worst possible jury pool in New 55 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: York City. My point on this is, if Hunter was 56 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: found guilty by this Delaware City jury, then he probably 57 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: would be found guilty almost anywhere in the country, whereas 58 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: there's no possibility at all, in my opinion, that Trump 59 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: would be convicted by any jury for this business fraud 60 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: if it were brought in West Virginia, let's say, or 61 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: Wyoming or Alabama, states that Trump overwhelmingly won and that 62 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: are deep red states. There's no way he would have 63 00:03:55,080 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: been convicted. I think that's worth thinking about. Thought, I'm 64 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: curious what you would say on this is that there's 65 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: real no impact. And I think the polls that are 66 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: coming out are showing from the Trump conviction. I think 67 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: that there will be no impact from the Hunter conviction either. 68 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: But it's a sign of how desperate things are buck 69 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: that they are saying, oh, this proves how honest the 70 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: jury and American justice system really is. Did you weigh 71 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: in on that, because that's the argument they're trying to 72 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: spin now now that Hunter has actually been convicted. 73 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: Yes. Well, one thing that we talked about yesterday, so 74 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: I say we even when you're not here, it's like 75 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: the Royal wee. Like. One thing that was discussed on 76 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: our program yesterday was does this make it more likely 77 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: that they will be even more extreme or I should 78 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 2: say they will feel more justified in a more extreme 79 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 2: punishment of Trump for New York. You know this is 80 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 2: in the Middle Ages. I say extreme, it would be 81 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: incarceration of some kind, you know, some of a minimum 82 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: security situation somewhere. I guess it'd have to be Riker's Island, 83 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: but I don't know. And they could probably make special accommodations, 84 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 2: you know, because he is running for president and he 85 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 2: has Secret Service protection lifetime Secret Service protection, by the way, 86 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 2: So I think that's a possibility. Uh, the it is. 87 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: It is funny also to watch the various when when 88 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: the when the Libs have a bad argument clay like, 89 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: when they know that their side is indefensible. One of 90 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 2: the tell tales is there are multiple arguments that you'll 91 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 2: hear out there on MSNBC. They're not all in the 92 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: same sheet of music because they're not sure how long 93 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 2: it'll last, like how long they'll get away over it. 94 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: So what you said, I think is the primary which 95 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 2: just look at how stoic the Biden family is about this, 96 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: and and and also look at you know, the the 97 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 2: the grace and the you know, the what's the word there, 98 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 2: the class that they've been using when they when they 99 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 2: look at this. First of all, he's not gonna spend 100 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 2: a day in jail, as we know, He's gonna pardon 101 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: his son. But even putting that aside, they are trying 102 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: to make the argument as well that he is getting 103 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: worse than normal treatment. Hunter Biden is getting worse than 104 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: the treatment that a normal, everyday American would get for 105 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 2: the same conduct because he's the president's son, which is 106 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 2: not just untrue, is anti true. It is the anti truth. 107 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 2: It's the inversion of reality. So that is one take. 108 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 2: Here's my bigger take in terms of what I think 109 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 2: is the most significant factor here, and I want you 110 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: to follow me down. I know we've talked about this before, but. 111 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: I think it slams home this argument, and I think 112 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: this is the story that should be examined more aggressively, 113 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: to the extent there media out there listening, as I 114 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: know there often are. Now that we know the government 115 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: has introduced the Hunter Biden laptop in totality as an 116 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: exhibit and as hardcore evidence of criminal behavior. A jury 117 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: in Delaware has now said we believe that this evidence 118 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: is sufficient to convict, and I think the evidence will 119 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: also be sufficient to convict in California, which is the 120 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: more significant of the charges so far, tax evasion, and 121 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: there's virtually no defense for that either. This is where 122 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: it gets really important. The FBI took possession of this 123 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: laptop in late twenty nineteen when the New York Post 124 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: story with Miranda Devine, which we have talked about with 125 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: her A great deal on the show came out in 126 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: October of twenty twenty. The FBI one hundred percent knew 127 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: that this laptop was real. 128 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: They told Facebook. 129 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: Twitter, Instagram, all these different social media companies that they 130 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: didn't know if the laptop was real, and that it 131 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: had ultimately these hallmarks of disinformation. We know that's a lie. 132 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: Someone And this, to me is the most important question 133 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: I have about the twenty twenty election. Someone inside the 134 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: FBI intentionally rigged the twenty twenty election for Joe Biden. 135 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: Biden not simply saying yes, we believe this laptop is real. 136 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: We know it's real. We've had it for a year, 137 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: and they allowed all of the censorship. We focused and 138 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: this collective royal wee as you said, media general public. 139 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: We focused on Twitter and Facebook and their censorship of 140 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: The New York Post and all those things. But that 141 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: was actually put in motion by the FBI. Someone in 142 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: the FBI. 143 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: It's not some of the code read. It's many people. 144 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 2: I mean, just to be clear, there are how many people. 145 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: But that's a conspiracy to rig the election. This happened now, 146 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: there's strong evidence of it. We need to know how 147 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 1: it happened, and who made that call? Any again, having 148 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: been in these rooms at the CIA where high level 149 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: analysis decisions were made, where where it's going to go 150 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: right to the president, including for things that were kinetic 151 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: actions in a war zone. Let's say, you know what 152 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: are we blowing up? 153 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 2: Right? When you're in a room and those discussions are happening, 154 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 2: you know what happens. Nobody makes the call, Clay, It's 155 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 2: always consensus. You know, it's. 156 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: Reminding you have plausible deniability because somebody doesn't say that 157 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: was Jim who said we have to do this. 158 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: The group all makes that decision. And in fact, one 159 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 2: of the big one of the big problems of the IC, 160 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: the intelligence community, is that everything becomes so watered down 161 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: because of that diffusion of responsibility that there is no responsibility. 162 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: And the bureaucracies like it that way as long as 163 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: they can maintain their access. The FBI is certainly in 164 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: that position. So when you say it, you know you're 165 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 2: right who ordered the code red? It's you know what 166 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 2: group of people in the FBI ordered the code red? 167 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: So to speak. I would also say the media. And 168 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: this has become increasingly clear. I said this all along 169 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: the fifty one intelligence officers. Oh yeah, former intelligence officers. 170 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: This has been clear, Clay. They knew they weren't fooled. 171 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 2: That was just the plausible deniability they pretended to cling to. 172 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: They knew it was real. They're not morons. They lied 173 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 2: to everybody because they figure, if we can fool enough 174 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: Rubes out there, and you're thinking, oh, the fifty one 175 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 2: intelligence officers sign this, Joe Biden can eke out a win, 176 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 2: and sure enough, Biden's the president. However you think it 177 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: went down, Biden's the president. 178 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: Okay, if all of that is true, and I believe 179 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: it is true. If you're going to argue that Trump 180 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: rigged the twenty sixteen election with his payment of Stormy Daniels, 181 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 1: how is there not substantial evidence that those fifty one 182 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: intelligence agents and whomever was in the room at the 183 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: FBI to make the decision that we're not going to 184 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: tell the American people the truth, which is that this laptop, 185 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: which we now know four years later is one hundred 186 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: percent real, is one hundred percent real? How is that 187 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: not a conspiracy to rig the election? 188 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 2: Because they say that it's a and this is the 189 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: classic thing in government as well. They say it's a mistake, 190 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: not a conspiracy. We were fooled. We didn't that's a lie. 191 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 2: But this is what they fall back on, and this 192 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 2: is always going to be what they fall back on 193 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 2: on that issue. And I think that there is plenty 194 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: of data they've they've done some polling to suggest that 195 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: people might have it might have come out very differently 196 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: because the whole bide in pitch right was a restoration 197 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 2: of stability and normalcy. Well, actually, anyone who sees what's 198 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 2: going on with the Biden family, that's the opposite of normalcy, 199 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 2: the opposite of stability. Uh. And and I think that 200 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: that might have been a there was a moment of 201 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 2: panic that went through the intelligence community, people who signed that, 202 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: the FBI to your point, Clay, and you know what 203 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 2: the FBI would say, it's not we can't exclude the possibility. 204 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 2: And I'm gonna say this became a thing with the 205 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 2: IRAQ WMD issue as well. It was can you prove 206 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 2: to me they don't have WMD? No, Well, we have 207 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: reason to believe they might. So since you can't prove 208 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 2: that they don't, we gotta go right. Same thing with 209 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 2: the FBI. We can't prove that it's not Russian disinformation. 210 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 2: Therefore we can't leave out that possibility. There's the hallmarks 211 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 2: of Russian disinformation is so vague as to be anything 212 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 2: they mean. This is all propaganda, right, This is all 213 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 2: the way that they try to sway and manipulate public opinion. 214 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: But if they can argue that Trump, because he paid 215 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: Stormy Daniels, conspired to rig the election as part of 216 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: that argument in the Alvin Bragg case, State of Georgia, 217 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: everyone that is listening to me right now, in the 218 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: State of Georgia that is a DA or works in 219 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: the Attorney General's office, why could you not argue, given 220 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: how close the race is in Georgia in twenty twenty, 221 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: that all of those fifty one intelligence agents, remember where 222 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: they charged nineteen people with trying to rig the election 223 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: into with trying to come up with a new slate 224 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: of electors the elector's situation. Yes, why could a red 225 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: state DA do not do what Fanny Willis did. Now 226 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: that we have all this evidence out there, to the 227 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: fifty one intelligence agents as well as top FBI operatives, 228 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: charge them because there's because they would be the twenty 229 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: twenty election. They would say, now it's something like their 230 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: defense attorney. It's not a crime to lie. And in 231 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: that context in an editorial newspase, I'm not saying they 232 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: don't have a defense. I'm just saying, if we're in 233 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: this new lawfair arena, I think all nineteen people that 234 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: Fanny willis, I. 235 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 2: Think you got to pick your lawfair a little bit. 236 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 2: I don't think you can. You don't want to start 237 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: bringing one of the challenges that Trump had in twenty 238 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 2: twenty and this is the truth, and we should discuss 239 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: it now and get it out there. The real issues 240 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: with the election, the stuff that you know, people look 241 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 2: at in Georgia and people look at in Arizona that 242 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 2: got drowned out by some of the more flimsy on 243 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 2: the evidence out there stuff early on, and once you 244 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 2: start losing court challenges, it's snowballs and judges are just 245 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 2: gonna be less interested in even hearing you, less interested 246 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 2: in seeing it. So I'm not I agree that there 247 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: has to be the elevation and the escalation you've you've 248 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 2: talked about. We just want to pick and choose where 249 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 2: we do it. You've got to find people who have 250 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 2: violated the law in a way that you think you 251 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 2: can prove, or at least you can indict. Now that's 252 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 2: an abuse of power in itself to indict thinking you 253 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: can't prove. But Democrats, that. 254 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: Happens all the time. It's time to fight fire with fire. 255 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: So those are my big takeaways. By the way, a 256 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: lot of you may have questions. Eight hundred and two 257 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: two to two eight A two. We appreciate all of 258 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: you hanging out with us. 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This is Andrew Weissman, 293 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: who was the political and legal hitman against Trump and 294 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 2: the Mueller probe, saying, well, you know what, I'll let 295 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 2: you hear it from play. 296 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 4: For if you look at this case, what is the 297 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 4: big picture here? It's not a drug addict who possessed 298 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 4: a gun. 299 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 5: For two weeks. 300 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 4: It is that you have a president of the United 301 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 4: States who is living embodiment of the rule of law, 302 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 4: even with respec to his only living son. And you 303 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 4: can really can contrast that to the former president's denigration 304 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 4: of the rule of law. Every single time he has 305 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 4: found either guilty in a criminal case or a libel 306 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 4: in a civil case, including sexual assault and fraud, he 307 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 4: says the systems rigged against him. 308 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 2: I just want to say, Clay Joe Biden the quote 309 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 2: living embodiment of the rule of law. Wow, I mean, 310 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 2: it's just so silly. 311 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: I've been doing some reading. I think they were shook 312 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: that Hunter got convicted. I think Abbe Lowell and the 313 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: fact that they had a Wilmington, Delaware court, I think 314 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: that they really thought that they could that Hunter was 315 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: not going to be convicted. And I think this was 316 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: a real blow to them that he got convicted, because 317 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: this case is comparatively nowhere near as serious as the 318 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: California case. And I'm genuinely fascinated to see what their 319 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: legal maneuvers are now, because they're in trouble, real trouble. 320 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 2: All right. 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Legacy 339 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 2: box dot com, slash Buck. 340 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all 341 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: of you hanging out with us. Rolling through the Wednesday 342 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: edition of the program. I'm up in DC. 343 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: Buck. 344 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: We got in on Monday night and I took my 345 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: son out to dinner and we're walking back and they 346 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 1: had all the White House shut down, and I was 347 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: thinking to myself, what in the world is going going 348 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: on that you can't walk anywhere near the White House? 349 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: And it turned out that they were having the Juneteenth Celebration. 350 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: Did you see the video of Biden at the Juneteenth 351 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: Celebration standing next to some guy in like a dress 352 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: with a beard, and he's standing there he looks like, 353 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: have you seen the old vampire movie Nosferatu, which was 354 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: the very first horror movie ever made. Oh sure, Biden? 355 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: First of all, the fact that you say oh sure 356 00:19:55,680 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: is very nerdly of you, because this for out there 357 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: who have not seen it, which is like ninety nine 358 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: percent of our audience. No s Faratu is like a 359 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: nineteen twenty German silent film, German silence. It's like Dracula. Basically, 360 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: it's the very first vampire movie, but it's a German 361 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: movie like early it's before they had sound in movies. 362 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 2: Uh, can I celebrate all the classics play? 363 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: Yes, I just I thought that I might have to 364 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: explain it, but of course you've seen it. I'm just 365 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: thinking there's probably ninety nine percent of people out there 366 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: that are like, I have no idea what you're talking about. 367 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: There is a vampire in No s Faratu, which is 368 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: again the very first horror movie. 369 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 2: Probably ever made. 370 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: And the way the vampire stands because they have made 371 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: him basically have claws, he can't really move his hands. 372 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: When I watch Biden at some of these events, and 373 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: I want you guys to take note of this as well, 374 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: Biden is so physically incapable of normal movement that when 375 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: they drug him up, and I do think they drug 376 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: him up for these evening events, his body looks like 377 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: it's got rigor mortis already set in his hands I 378 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: want you to look at the way that he holds 379 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: his hands. 380 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 2: He can't actually move. 381 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,719 Speaker 1: And the reason why I bring that up is I 382 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: was watching that video. First of all, the fact that 383 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: they're celebrating Juneteenth, which is a date when Republicans freed 384 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 1: the slaves and they became aware that the Republicans had 385 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: freed the slaves. The fact that all these Democrats are 386 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: now celebrating Juneteenth, which has now become a federal holiday, 387 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: and I think is going to try to rebrand it 388 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: as the real July fourth. I think that's partly what 389 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: this is about. So just kind of get ready for this. 390 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: But I look at this stuff, and I know I 391 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: watched your video yesterday when you did it, have anybody 392 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: to counter. I don't think he can run. And I 393 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: am going to die on this hill. And I believe 394 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: that he is going to bomb on June twenty bucks 395 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: rolling his eyes for but people watching on video. I 396 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: believe that he is going to bomb in two weeks 397 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: on June twenty seventh. I'm Mark, Mark, He's going to 398 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: be so bad on June twenty seventh, no matter what 399 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: they shoot him up with that this ties in with 400 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: the hunter Biden pardon, which we both agree Hunter. Biden's 401 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: not going to jail, He's going to get pardoned, but 402 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: he's going to go ahead and announce that he is 403 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: pardoning Hunter, that he doesn't have the mental, sort of 404 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: the physical capability of continuing to be president. I think 405 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 1: he will free his delegates and they will have a 406 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: Donnybrook as it were, over who the nominee will actually 407 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: be in the Chicago convention in August. That that's what 408 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: I think. I look at it the numbers. There are 409 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: a bunch of polls out today. They haven't gotten their 410 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: boost from the Trump convictions. Now Hunter has been convicted, 411 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: which I think surprised them. I think there is a 412 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: quiet panic that is setting in and they are aware 413 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: that Biden's gonna lose, and he is going to become 414 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: aware of it. 415 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 2: And I know I'm putting down on the predictions board here, Clay, 416 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 2: because here's what I think is going to happen on 417 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 2: the debate stage. 418 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 5: Uh. 419 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 2: First of all, what is an ABC News that's that's 420 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 2: holding this right? Is that right? ABC? 421 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: I thought it was CNN? Are we reaing CNN? That's 422 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: I can't remember what It doesn't matter, it's going to 423 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: be probed me in favor of Biden. That's doing the 424 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: deliberate moderating. 425 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 2: They're they're gonna, I promise you, they're going to try 426 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 2: to try to corner Trump on who won the twenty 427 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 2: twenty election. That will be in the first half of 428 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 2: the debate. The probably the first question. I think it'll 429 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 2: be the first question. And for everyone who shouts yes 430 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 2: he did, I would just point out that for the swing, 431 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 2: middle of the road undecided voters, that's not necessarily what 432 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 2: they want to hear. And Ciana knows that, which is 433 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: why they'll ask that question early on. So just remember 434 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 2: that I said this, they're going to try to push 435 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 2: him on that. Biden is going to whatever they and 436 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 2: we found out, thankfully from that helpful doctor, there are 437 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 2: things that he can be given shout out will help him. Yeah. Yeah, 438 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 2: I think that they'll give him brain roids, whatever that means, 439 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 2: and they'll give him just the right amount so that 440 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 2: he'll be able to get through the debate and the 441 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 2: story will be see, Biden can still see us through 442 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 2: these stormy times. He's proven that he can do it. 443 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 2: The age thing is no longer the factor that they've 444 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 2: been saying it is, and then they try to spend 445 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 2: the whole summer turning around public opinion. I'm just I'm noting. 446 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 2: That's what I that's what I think. Notice that the 447 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 2: second debate, I think they'll already be I have to 448 00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 2: check what's the earliest. 449 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: Early September some of you can start to vote, I mean, 450 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: which is crazy. So we're like three months away from 451 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: some of you being. 452 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 2: Able to cast ballots, right, And so when you think 453 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 2: about the fact that the second debate will be at 454 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 2: a time near early votes are already being tabulated, I think 455 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 2: the chances of that all Biden has to do is 456 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 2: show up and be decent too that if things are 457 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 2: going in his favorite look. I wish what you were 458 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 2: saying is true. We did have a caller yesterday who 459 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 2: said he thinks it would be Hillary and not Michelle 460 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 2: Obama who and I said, in the highly unlikely scenario 461 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 2: that I still believe it is highly unlikely where that happens. 462 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: I do think it's more likely to be Hillary than 463 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 2: Michelle Obama. And I think that you know, the problem 464 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 2: they still have there is Kamala Harris and what would 465 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: they do. So we'll see man June twenty seven. I'm 466 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 2: marking it down. Clay says Biden. We're gonna think he 467 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 2: did a bad job. Like Biden's an idiot. He's always 468 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 2: been an idiot. Now he's just an idiot who has dementia. 469 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: So it's not like I'm gonna think or you're gonna 470 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 2: think he did a good job. I'm just saying their 471 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 2: takeaway will be he did enough. That's you'll hear the 472 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,479 Speaker 2: phrase he did enough everybody on CNN, on MSNBC, all 473 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 2: over the place. Certainly they're gonna make that argument. 474 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: No matter what he does, they'll say, oh, he was 475 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: way better, just like they did with mister Ali. 476 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 2: Is with you, You're bringing more people into your black hole. 477 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: Ali has joined on poll the New York City Studio Ali, 478 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: if you would whether they think they agree with me 479 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: on Biden. Here's what I think will happen, Buck, I 480 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: think Biden will be a disaster. On June twenty seventh, 481 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: he would not be good. Then we go into the 482 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: July fourth holiday. I remember at some point we may 483 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: get the immunity ruling from the Supreme Court on the 484 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: Trump cases. In fact, we may get it on the 485 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: day that they actually have the debate scheduled because I 486 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: believe the Supreme Court releases typically opinions on that Thursday, 487 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: which would be a blockbuster to land on the day 488 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: of that debate. 489 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 2: But I think what they'll do is release that. 490 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: Opinion sometime, meaning the immunity opinion on the president and 491 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: presidential immunity from the Supreme Court. Then you roll into 492 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: July fourth. I think it'll be quiet over July fourth weekend. 493 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: I think the pressure on Biden will grow, and I 494 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: think right out of the July fourth holiday, uh maybe 495 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: like July eighth or something like that, whatever the math 496 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: is the dates there, I think Biden will announce that 497 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 1: he's not going to run and free his delegates to 498 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: have an open convention in August. 499 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 2: I think, Clay, that this would be the sports equivalent 500 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 2: of you calling in the fourth quarter for the team 501 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 2: to run a two minute drill, get an on side kick, 502 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: and score a touchdown. All that's that's you. You're the 503 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 2: odds of this. 504 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: Going your way. I'm just I'm just warning you very slim. 505 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: And here's here's the other underpinning rationale here. I think 506 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: all along the Biden team has been saying the polls 507 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: are going to turn and the polls are gonna turn. 508 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: Wait till he gets convicted, Wait till people see how 509 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: good we do in the debate. I think that when 510 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: that is gone at July fourth, you're to your point 511 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: on the on the the voting, you're staring down. Oh 512 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: my goodness, nothing has moved. Why is suddenly the elector electorate, 513 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: with all these things that have been happening, gonna change 514 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 1: its mind on two incumbents after July fourth, I think 515 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: if the numbers haven't moved, and I don't think they have, 516 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,719 Speaker 1: and in fact, they may move in Trump's favor, and 517 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: we'll know after that debate whether or not there's been 518 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: a you know, seismic shift. If that doesn't happen, Trump's 519 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: gonna win. And I think the panic is going to 520 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: start to set in, and I think the circles of 521 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: support will diminish in a hurry for Biden. That's what 522 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: I think is gonna happen over the next three or 523 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: four weeks. 524 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 2: I also wonder how they're going to message the fact 525 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 2: that Biden and everyone in the Democrat media wants to 526 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 2: just hammer Trump as the convicted felon, but the convicted felon, 527 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 2: though I know is beating Biden in every poll in 528 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 2: every swing state, with maybe one or two exceptions. So 529 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 2: what does that say about their guy? 530 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 5: It? 531 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: Yes, And also, I think it gets harder to go, oh, 532 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: you're a convicted felon when your son is also because 533 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,479 Speaker 1: Trump can just say, yeah, I'm a convicted felon, but 534 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: your son's the actual criminal, and he just got convicted 535 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: in your home state. I got convicted by a rick. 536 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: I think it kind of cancels out. Let me say 537 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: this too. I don't want Biden removed. I think Biden 538 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: is going to lose. I think he's an awful candidate. 539 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: I think he's been an awful president. There's the possibility 540 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: if they go to an open convention that somebody catches fire, 541 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: that they pick a very likable candidate, younger than Trump, 542 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: more desirable than Trump, that actually goes out and has 543 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: a more compelling case to make than Trump, because Biden's 544 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,239 Speaker 1: done a crappy job and he can't get past it. 545 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: What they were able to do in twenty twenty was 546 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: argue Trump is bad. This new person who you don't 547 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: know might be better. The problem is Biden's been worse 548 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: than Trump. A new wild card Democrat could have some 549 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: appeal that is more challenging than what Trump has got. 550 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 2: Hold on. 551 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: In the studio, Buck, Mike thinks it could go either way. 552 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: How is your opinion? 553 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 2: It could go either way? 554 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: Pick a side, Mike. I mean, oh, you know who's 555 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: gonna win the super Bowl? You know I could see 556 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: it going either way. I mean, come on, Greg's with you, 557 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: by the way, I got Ali, You got Greg. 558 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 2: You know. Maybe Mike was at the Greyhound Track and 559 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 2: it doesn't want to lose any more change you know 560 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 2: what I mean. He wants to hedge his bets a little. 561 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 2: I could respect that, Mike. What's gonna happen in the game? 562 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: You know, the one team's good and the other team's 563 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: got Really, anything could happen. You're in the prediction business, Mike. 564 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: You're on the biggest radio show in America. You're the 565 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: deciding factor. And your answer is it could go either way. 566 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 2: Very diplomatic, very Switzerland. 567 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: Goodness. Look day to day life. 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And with that, Clay, I think I will 603 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 2: hop into some of our calls here speaking of people 604 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 2: who are helping to grow our business, so to speak. 605 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 2: We have let's see Dave in Idaho. What's going on? Dave? 606 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 5: Well, Buck, you said. I almost fell over when I 607 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 5: heard you say that lying is not against the law. Wait, 608 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 5: lying's not against the law, but that's not what the 609 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 5: charges would be. 610 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 2: I see, hold on, hold on, hold on, wait, just 611 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 2: I said, lying in an editorial is not against the law. Obviously, 612 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 2: lying under oath there are times and lyings against the law. 613 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 2: I said, lying in the context of an editorial, which 614 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 2: is what they all signed, is not against the law. 615 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 5: Okay, okay, Yeah. What I see here is I see 616 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 5: all this low hanging fruit out there. That conservative red 617 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 5: state Das Missouri is one of them. And he hasn't 618 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 5: done anything yet either though I just heard an interview 619 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 5: with him and he sounds great. But election interference is 620 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 5: what the problem is. So you've got all these guys 621 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 5: out there, fifty one of them that can all be 622 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 5: brought up on charges of election interference with that is 623 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 5: the evidence, and then you get that out there and 624 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 5: they lose that case. 625 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 2: They're former, I mean, I hate having to make this case, 626 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 2: but they're former government employees. I believe all of them 627 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 2: are former who signed their names to an editorial. How 628 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 2: are you gonna do? But what's what's the crime? I mean, 629 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 2: they're liars, they're disgraceful, but what's the crime? 630 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 5: All still all still with security clearances, all still informed 631 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 5: on everything that's going on, and knowing you're not going 632 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 5: to convince the public. Maybe you'll convince the Biden voters, 633 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 5: but you're not going to convince the public. That these 634 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 5: guys didn't know what they were doing and that they didn't. 635 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 1: Have any I'm. 636 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 2: The one who says they were lying and they knew 637 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 2: they were lying. We're just talking to whether this is 638 00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 2: what crime? Are you going to charge them with? 639 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 5: Election interpearance? 640 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: My argument is just that's basically the same thing they 641 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: charged Trump with in New York. And if you did it, 642 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: you would do it in a red state with a 643 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: red state DA where the election was close, and you 644 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: can argue that their action swung the state right, so Georgia. 645 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: To me, the reason why I was saying Georgia is 646 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: to be a place you could bring it is you 647 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,720 Speaker 1: mentioned Missouri, and I think that's interesting, But Missouri state 648 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: was not a competitive state in the twenty twenty election. 649 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: To me, the reason why they brought the case Fanny 650 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: Willis did in Atlanta was because it was so close 651 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: that there was an attempt to figure out, hey, who 652 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: actually won that race. And that's why they're bringing charges 653 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, and that's why they brought charges in Arizona 654 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 1: against the lawyers and individuals involved in that case. I 655 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: just and I understand Buck's point is I'm looking he's 656 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: looking for a conviction. And my thing is, I don't 657 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,760 Speaker 1: think there's gonna be convictions in most of these cases. 658 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 2: I think it's almost like throwing. 659 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: A brushback pitch, or if your guy gets hit by 660 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 1: a pitch, you throw at him too, and maybe both 661 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: of you get kicked out of the game, but you're 662 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: sending the message, Hey, we're not gonna let you beat 663 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: up on our guys. We're gonna beat up on you too. 664 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: And to your point, Buck, the process is the punishment. 665 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: You have to get a lawyer, your name gets dragged 666 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: through the mud, everybody says you're a felon. 667 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 2: Even if you never get convicted. That has a cost. Man, 668 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,320 Speaker 2: you know, I don't know as a strategy. Charging people 669 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,399 Speaker 2: with writing an editorial that lied, I mean, that's better 670 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 2: get ready to play to get arrested in California and 671 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 2: New York for our election interference. Like, I don't understand 672 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 2: what we felt. 673 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: If they knew that it was a lie, then the 674 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: intent was to lie and influence the election, which is 675 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: the next step. 676 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 2: We could talk about it here.