Speaker 1: In the beginning when I was talking about the emotional
Speaker 1: toll of climate. My gosh, this was back in two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, and I tried to get the American
Speaker 1: Psychiatric Association to come to a meeting that I had
Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine, and they said they weren't interested.
Speaker 1: But fast forward again, and it took a while, but
Speaker 1: people now recognize Mother Nature has made the point. So
Speaker 1: what was once an abstract issue, and some people, by nature,
Speaker 1: are more inclined to focus on fear and danger than others.
Speaker 1: And now you know, we kind of went from don't
Speaker 1: want to hear about it, sounds scary, Maybe everything will
Speaker 1: work out too. In some instance's almost state of panic.
Speaker 2: Oh we fucked.
Speaker 3: Welcome to I'm fucking the future. Like you, I get
Speaker 3: on my phone every morning I see the headlines about
Speaker 3: the climate crisis, and I'll be the first to admit,
Speaker 3: but it's shockingly easy to feel power lives by the
Speaker 3: world around us. If we're going to unfuck this disaster,
Speaker 3: we've got to put our heads together and actually solve
Speaker 3: this mess. Because together, I truly believe we can get
Speaker 3: on the path to a better future. I'm your host,
Speaker 3: Chris Turning and this is unfucking the future.
Speaker 2: Fucking the future.
Speaker 3: It's not hard to notice the effects of climate change.
Speaker 3: For hundreds of millions of people. It's right on their doorstep.
Speaker 4: Triple digit temperatures for days on in smoke from record
Speaker 4: setting wildfires, fouling the air, warming oceans.
Speaker 3: Bleaching coral reefs.
Speaker 4: Opinion polls find growing concern about climate change. Psychologists say
Speaker 4: that can be a positive thing, spurring people to action.
Speaker 3: That's John Yang, a correspondence for PBS News Hour.
Speaker 4: But for some people it becomes an overwhelming sense of
Speaker 4: despair or anxiety. Psychologists call it climate anxiety.
Speaker 3: Last episode, we heard from a young climate activist about
Speaker 3: how the environmental crisis was affecting her and her peers,
Speaker 3: And today I want to go deeper into that discussion.
Speaker 3: Even though most people are just now catching up on
Speaker 3: the reality of how the climate is impacting our mental health,
Speaker 3: some people have been studying climate anxiety for years, like
Speaker 3: doctor Lisa Van Sustin. She's a forensic psychiatrist who's profiled
Speaker 3: foreign political leaders and presented expert testament in high level
Speaker 3: care cases, but now her work focuses on understanding how
Speaker 3: the climate is causing life altering harm to individuals. People
Speaker 3: who live for intense disasters caused by global heating are
Speaker 3: experiencing post traumatic stress, but the fear of a climate
Speaker 3: crisis is also causing people to develop what doctor Lisa
Speaker 3: van Sustn calls pre traumatic stress. This, she says, can
Speaker 3: cause other social issues ranging from drug and alcohol dependencies
Speaker 3: to civil conflict. Let's dig in. There's a couple of
Speaker 3: things you need to know about Lisa and Sustrum. First,
Speaker 3: she's not your typical psychiatrist. Sure, she went to med
Speaker 3: school and specialized in psychiatry, but as a forensic psychiatrist,
Speaker 3: she's focused on the impacts of traumatic events, and she's
Speaker 3: particularly interested in advocating for people in the court systems.
Speaker 1: Forensic psychiatry is the interface between psychiatry and the law.
Speaker 1: So anytime something psychological has a legal component, a forensic
Speaker 1: psychiatrist would likely be sought to make sure that testimony
Speaker 1: is properly prepared or delivered and is in accordance with
Speaker 1: the law by someone who's knowledgeable about all these things.
Speaker 1: So a sexual harassment case that's going to go to
Speaker 1: court and I have to talk about all the psychological
Speaker 1: implications and undercurrents and things.
Speaker 3: And the other thing you need to know about it.
Speaker 3: Doctor Lisa van Sustran wants to see a world where
Speaker 3: every single person is given the justice and the dignity
Speaker 3: they deserve. And she's been obvious pretty much since she
Speaker 3: was a kid.
Speaker 1: When I was in seventh grade, I fought with the
Speaker 1: city council in my hometown of Appleton, Wisconsin about putting
Speaker 1: in curb and gutter in what amounted to a very rural,
Speaker 1: very bucolic country lane type road that my house sat on.
Speaker 1: And my grandfather was a doctor and it was also
Speaker 1: a big environmental activist. He was one of the key
Speaker 1: people involved in cleaning up the Finger Lakes. But I'm
Speaker 1: also Irish and they always say the Irish can't stop
Speaker 1: talking and protesting, So there is that. My father was
Speaker 1: involved in politics and social justice issue growing up as
Speaker 1: a becoming a psychiatrist, seeing how people suffer, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not a number for a person who hears all
Speaker 1: day long about how people are hurting, So everything becomes
Speaker 1: very real. There's a face on every issue. You'd have
Speaker 1: to be kind of frozen or at least callous, I think,
Speaker 1: not to want to help.
Speaker 3: That experience is part of why she ran for US
Speaker 3: Senate a while back.
Speaker 1: I ran for the US Senate in Maryland in two
Speaker 1: thousand and five two thousand and six, and as you
Speaker 1: can see, I did not become a US Senator, but
Speaker 1: I became more wedded to the issues that were of
Speaker 1: deeper and deepening concern, which included especially not just the
Speaker 1: environment writ large, but specifically climate change. And Al Gore
Speaker 1: chose me for one of his first fifty to train
Speaker 1: in Tennessee.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the former vice president of it Stays and the
Speaker 3: person who won the popular vote for president in two
Speaker 3: thousand on a campaign addressing global heating, trained Lisa van Sustran,
Speaker 3: and a new generation of climate activists were born.
Speaker 1: The Climate Project in two thousand and six recruited fifty
Speaker 1: people to train. And it came about because so I
Speaker 1: told this might be apocryphal, but it came about because
Speaker 1: Al was on one of the morning shows and said
Speaker 1: he was going to train people to talk about an
Speaker 1: inconvenient truth and the next thing he knew, of course,
Speaker 1: having said that he was going to have to do it.
Speaker 1: So Roy Neil, his chief of staff then at the time,
Speaker 1: and his wife in particular Jenny Kladd took over the
Speaker 1: charge to find fifty people, and I was one of
Speaker 1: those fifty, and we were out in Carthage, Tennessee, at
Speaker 1: his barn, and he taught us all about climate change
Speaker 1: and then encouraged each of us to run with it
Speaker 1: with our own voices. And in the aftermath it was
Speaker 1: like running downhill.
Speaker 3: Doctor van Susteren noticed that very few people were talking
Speaker 3: about the mental health toll, but the environment was having
Speaker 3: on young people. She found that disturbing. How could they
Speaker 3: not be talking about this.
Speaker 1: The only thing is that I thought that we would
Speaker 1: be seeing these changes. We look at the numbers, make
Speaker 1: the changes right away, and then everybody would be happy
Speaker 1: and everything would be correct. But increasingly I saw it
Speaker 1: wasn't just the health issues, but specifically mental health toll,
Speaker 1: and especially on kids.
Speaker 3: She observed a post traumatic stress that an increasing number
Speaker 3: of people are living through.
Speaker 1: On one side is what people are currently experiencing in
Speaker 1: terms of often aver an extreme weather event, the anxiety,
Speaker 1: generalized anxiety disorder, major depressions or just depression. We find
Speaker 1: post traumatic stress disorder. Of course, we find that people
Speaker 1: try to numb themselves with alcohol ors and then we
Speaker 1: often see domestic violence and it's not really surprising because
Speaker 1: think about it. Imagine if your house is burned down,
Speaker 1: lone away, flooded, or otherwise swept off the face of
Speaker 1: the earth, and you've lost your possessions, maybe your pets,
Speaker 1: family members, your everyday life has been disrupted, you've lost
Speaker 1: your job, you can't go to school. Do you think
Speaker 1: you'd be a little upset. So it's easy once you
Speaker 1: drill down anything you know that's right.
Speaker 3: But there's also a pre traumatic stress.
Speaker 1: The emotional toll is derived from the realization that the
Speaker 1: science is telling us that we're going to bust through
Speaker 1: various irreversible tipping points, that we're getting close to one
Speaker 1: point five degrees which a centigrade, which unleashes those climate
Speaker 1: tipping points, and so the anticipation is that things are
Speaker 1: going to get worse before they ever get better. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't like to say that, but that's what's being said.
Speaker 1: And newsflash, people don't like to think that things are
Speaker 1: going to get worse. So it's what I've dubbed pre
Speaker 1: traumatic stress. So the people who are thinking about the future,
Speaker 1: and this is particularly true of young people because they're
Speaker 1: going to be suffering the cumulative toll. It's the anticipation
Speaker 1: of future damage and the recognition that now is the
Speaker 1: time to be taking action and there's a robottleneck and
Speaker 1: they know it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is what you're saying, this pre traumatic stress,
Speaker 3: but also the frustration. I hear you saying about, well,
Speaker 3: why aren't we doing something about base?
Speaker 1: A lot is being done. There are plenty of people
Speaker 1: are busting there, you know what, to do everything they can.
Speaker 1: The issue is are we doing enough in time?
Speaker 3: Yes, I think, I say readly impoint stress. A lot
Speaker 3: is happening. A lot is happening. It's just it is
Speaker 3: it going up a speeding the scale that we need.
Speaker 3: And that's the urgency. And I think that's a sense
Speaker 3: of maybe where the frustration is coming in as well.
Speaker 1: And here's the biggest problem, Chris. It's one thing if
Speaker 1: you could always say to yourself, well, you know, this
Speaker 1: was fate nature whilst it takes its toll, et cetera.
Speaker 1: But what's happening now is that people know that the
Speaker 1: intensity and the frequency of these extreme weather events have
Speaker 1: the handprints of humans all over. So the issue now
Speaker 1: is this is willful neglect. This is the difference between
Speaker 1: involuntary manslaughter, so to speak, and voluntary manslaughter where you
Speaker 1: know full well that you are endangering others but you're
Speaker 1: doing it anyway. It's much harder to get over harm
Speaker 1: that we believe is not an accident but was intentionally
Speaker 1: or partly intentionally by negligence inflicted. This is really unnerving
Speaker 1: because that kind of cynicism, it's different from normalizing. This
Speaker 1: is cynicism that government doesn't work for you, entergyroads, our
Speaker 1: trust in our institutions as being able to keep us safe,
Speaker 1: and the consequences of that. For somebody who studies this
Speaker 1: is that when people don't believe in their government, they're
Speaker 1: not going to get out there and vote. They are
Speaker 1: accepting cynically that this is the way things are, and
Speaker 1: that's when you see the erosion of democracy.
Speaker 3: Do you see certain populations being more prone to its mindset?
Speaker 3: You know, Is it's something that makes someone more vulnerable
Speaker 3: to that.
Speaker 1: Yes, of course kids are likely to be I think
Speaker 1: more inclined to show some of their anger, and they
Speaker 1: also sometimes feel or more vulnerable. Older people tend to
Speaker 1: sweep it under the rug. They're not in their idealistic phase.
Speaker 1: They aren't going to change the world. They aren't destined
Speaker 1: to see the or to experience the consequences of their
Speaker 1: bad decisions. We're on a kind of a trajectory that
Speaker 1: we're not going to change now. Woods have that whole
Speaker 1: world and falling in front of them. They've got to
Speaker 1: make these course changes.
Speaker 3: It's easy to see how young people would be more
Speaker 3: vulnerable to mental health issues related to the environment, and
Speaker 3: the numbers on this are staggering. In a global survey
Speaker 3: of ten thousand gen zas, almost sixty percent said that
Speaker 3: they felt very or extremely worried about the climate, and
Speaker 3: perhaps to doctor Van Susteren's point here, more than fifty
Speaker 3: percent reported feeling sad, anxious, angry, and powerless. For a
Speaker 3: lot of people, that panic can cause pre traumatic stress
Speaker 3: and anxiety, and those feelings can cause emotional paralysis. I
Speaker 3: think we can all understand this feeling like no matter
Speaker 3: what we do, we're doomed. But that's a totally unhelpful perspective.
Speaker 3: We've got to lean on the people around us who
Speaker 3: meet the climate crisis with a sense of agency. But
Speaker 3: people who say we can fix this.
Speaker 1: And there are other people who by nature have a
Speaker 1: feeling of agency, So even if they aren't you the
Speaker 1: center of this, or mister or miss important that they
Speaker 1: have the sense that they are agents of change and
Speaker 1: that they must pick up the standard and bring others
Speaker 1: to bring up pick up the standard with them. These
Speaker 1: are the people that are kind of natural organizers, collaborators, motivators,
Speaker 1: et cetera.
Speaker 3: There's so many people in the world who, in the
Speaker 3: face of adversity, find innovative solutions for the future.
Speaker 2: We're on fucking the future. We're on fucking the future.
Speaker 1: I know from personal experience that my turning point was
Speaker 1: when I did psychological profiles in the first case that
Speaker 1: I was involved with, which is the Juliana case against
Speaker 1: the federal government. Juliana is a case of twenty one
Speaker 1: youth plaintiffs and Jim Hansen who have sued the federal
Speaker 1: government for insufficient action essentially on climate and I spent
Speaker 1: several months one summer writing those psychological profiles. I had
Speaker 1: worked previously for the executive branch of the government writing profiles,
Speaker 1: so it's a familiar territory to me. But I got
Speaker 1: to say, I will never be able to forget what
Speaker 1: it was like listening to them and experiencing what they're
Speaker 1: going through as they contemplate a future that feels dark,
Speaker 1: and so once you hear those stories from a person directly,
Speaker 1: you can't forget them.
Speaker 3: And as doctor Van Sustrm prepared to expert witness testimony
Speaker 3: for Juliana versus United States, she was also working in
Speaker 3: the background on another landmark case held versus Montana. But
Speaker 3: what we talked about in the last episode.
Speaker 1: The state of Montana had passed a law that prevented
Speaker 1: forbid lawmakers from referring or considering climate change in any
Speaker 1: of the permits that they would issue or other related
Speaker 1: activities to fossil fuel companies and their impact on the environment.
Speaker 3: Last summer, doctor Van Sustrom joined the team of experts
Speaker 3: who testified on behalf of the youth plaintiffs in a
Speaker 3: small courtroom in Helena, Montana.
Speaker 1: It's a wooden paneled room. It's kind of small, a
Speaker 1: very intimate wooden benches and stuff. So it has this
Speaker 1: country style feeling, and so it's always the feeling of
Speaker 1: irony that it goes out over very high tech services,
Speaker 1: but it's just this little group of people that are
Speaker 1: fighting for what they believe in. And so we had
Speaker 1: a judge that was an old Montana girl. I say
Speaker 1: girl because she was in her I think probably in
Speaker 1: her early sixties, but you know, a real a Montana stock.
Speaker 1: And so it was kind of like central casting for
Speaker 1: the characters that were there. They were all Montanas. And
Speaker 1: so the feeling of authenticity and the feeling that we
Speaker 1: were doing something fundamental and that it was that it
Speaker 1: was right, and it was straightforward and it was fair
Speaker 1: was a part of the sizzle of excitement that we felt.
Speaker 1: So for me, the job was essentially to find out
Speaker 1: what the playbook of the lawyers defending the state was
Speaker 1: going to be and to counter that. And also I
Speaker 1: brought up that my code of ethics says that part
Speaker 1: of being a good doctor requires that I take public
Speaker 1: health seriously. So I am, in a sense called charged
Speaker 1: with that responsibility. And then all I had to do
Speaker 1: was show what the State of Montana was doing to
Speaker 1: these kids, specifically using their testimony in the courtroom. And
Speaker 1: then of course the expert tease that I have that says, yes,
Speaker 1: that would cause a person losing your house to fire,
Speaker 1: not being able to go out because there's smoke, not
Speaker 1: being able to engage in previously enjoyed activities. That's going
Speaker 1: to stress a kit out.
Speaker 3: It's an incredible story, but perhaps most importantly, this case
Speaker 3: can teach us a lot about why we have to
Speaker 3: combat climate anxiety through action. See the foundation for this
Speaker 3: case was set a long time ago, but activists who
Speaker 3: were fed up with a current status quo.
Speaker 1: It was nineteen seventy two that a group of enterprising
Speaker 1: people said, Hey, we love our state of Montana. We
Speaker 1: want to put in the state of Montana constitution that
Speaker 1: Montana residents have. All right, and this is the constitution
Speaker 1: to a safe and healthful environment.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's pause here, what the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Like doctor Van Sustin mentioned, the amendment in Montana that
Speaker 3: allowed for this case to go to trial says for
Speaker 3: the state must provide a safe and healthful environment. Back
Speaker 3: in the seventies, activists saw the environmental degradation happening across
Speaker 3: their beloved state.
Speaker 5: We were from Missoula, where on any given day you
Speaker 5: couldn't even see the mountains because of what was coming
Speaker 5: out of corner Waldorf.
Speaker 3: That's Mae Non Ellingson, who is the youngest member of
Speaker 3: the committee that decided on the wording of the Clean
Speaker 3: and Healthful Amendment. This clip is from an interview she
Speaker 3: did with Montana Technological University.
Speaker 5: It was the beginning of strip mining and eastern Montana
Speaker 5: and then we had clear cutting. So for a great
Speaker 5: number of us, it's like we didn't want that exact
Speaker 5: environment that we had in Montana. We didn't want the
Speaker 5: status quo.
Speaker 3: And those words clean and healthful were critical, not just
Speaker 3: because they'd be used in the Hell v. Montana lawsuit
Speaker 3: fifty years later, but because they meant something to Maine
Speaker 3: Non and other activists. They all loved Montana and preserving
Speaker 3: a beauty of estate was so important to them they
Speaker 3: had to find a way to protect it.
Speaker 5: They were saying, how can we add these words. We
Speaker 5: don't know what they mean. We're going to have all
Speaker 5: kinds of lawsuits trying to establish what they mean. But
Speaker 5: those were words that were actually in federal legislation. They
Speaker 5: were in some of the environmental protection legislation.
Speaker 3: It's people like may Non who over fifty years ago
Speaker 3: laid the groundwork for young activists to advocate for a
Speaker 3: healthy environment in Montana. What the fuck are you're talking about?
Speaker 1: Because of that, that law, we could show in a
Speaker 1: million different ways did not render the residents of Montana's
Speaker 1: safe and certainly not helpful when it's in the constitution. Jeez,
Speaker 1: there it is an ink. It's really hard to get
Speaker 1: it off the parchment. So this is what gives people
Speaker 1: that sense we can do this, and this is the
Speaker 1: first constitutional court case and it is going to embolden others.
Speaker 1: So if you've got to be first, be first. If
Speaker 1: you've got to be a follower, be a follower. But
Speaker 1: get your friends and everybody else to take action, do
Speaker 1: what's right now.
Speaker 3: When we're discussing the climate crisis, it's so important that
Speaker 3: we also talk about when things went right because talking
Speaker 3: about success and the positive effects of activism can give
Speaker 3: people a sense of hope, and that hope can help
Speaker 3: combat some of a pre traumatic stress that doctor an
Speaker 3: Sustrin has been warning us about.
Speaker 1: So here's what's important to say. But we will find
Speaker 1: ourselves sometimes lamenting not enough people are taking action. That's
Speaker 1: really not a helpful statement. But what is helpful is
Speaker 1: if we have a real knowledgeable sense about how we
Speaker 1: need to work together, then we need to say more
Speaker 1: and more people. And again this is true every day.
Speaker 1: Our taking this seriously. So that's what's the empowering message
Speaker 1: that gives people the wish to desire, an impulse to
Speaker 1: take action and be agents of change.
Speaker 3: Which is all to say, talk about how you feel
Speaker 3: with other people, get activated. It will make you feel
Speaker 3: a little better. I know. There is a ton of
Speaker 3: great work happening right now.
Speaker 1: We are now providing information to states, to local government,
Speaker 1: whether it's the city council or whether it's the Committee
Speaker 1: on Education, and especially state legislatures, asking for meetings, talking
Speaker 1: to them about the emotional toll on kids and using
Speaker 1: words language that is important to them because when you
Speaker 1: look at what happens in an emotional toll from anything
Speaker 1: is you have increased violence. And legislators, people elected to
Speaker 1: office a sense to an uptick in criminal activity, behavior, violence,
Speaker 1: et cetera. Higher temperatures lead to violence. Certainly a public
Speaker 1: health message is important, and we are going to state legislators,
Speaker 1: elected officials and saying here's why you need to care.
Speaker 1: And what I'm also bringing up is I'm bringing kids
Speaker 1: in that have been involved in climate issues before, so
Speaker 1: that I'm not bringing them in just for us, but
Speaker 1: they've been involved so they can tell what it's like
Speaker 1: first person, not me a professional, but first person, and
Speaker 1: that's a way to get people to feel the story.
Speaker 1: Storytelling is so powerful when you want to get people
Speaker 1: to listen.
Speaker 3: And if you feel like you're experiencing mental health issues
Speaker 3: from a climate crisis, doctor Van Sustrn has a few
Speaker 3: actionable tips for you. First, recognize your feelings. Most reactions
Speaker 3: to the climate crisis are totally normal. Worrying about the
Speaker 3: climate isn't a mental health illness. It's just a sign
Speaker 3: you're absolutely human.
Speaker 1: It is a response to a very serious threat. It
Speaker 1: may rise to the level that it makes you ill,
Speaker 1: but it's not an illness in and of itself. If
Speaker 1: you need professional help, it's because you're really beginning to
Speaker 1: shut down. And I've had relatives and boyfriends and girlfriends
Speaker 1: of individuals who've said, you know, my family member or
Speaker 1: friend won't leave the house. She's panicked. What can we do?
Speaker 1: So And if you're really struggling, look for a climate
Speaker 1: to wear a therapist directory. You may be able to
Speaker 1: find somebody, or I presume you will be able to
Speaker 1: find somebody either nearby or else, somebody that sounds like
Speaker 1: it would be a good fit, because you know, maybe
Speaker 1: you knew you to just talk to somebody who encourages
Speaker 1: like a good coach, So therapists can be like good coaches.
Speaker 1: It's a person simply who recognizes that climate is a
Speaker 1: threat and that it's not surprising that it causes deep anxiety.
Speaker 3: So take a look at a Climate to Wear therapist
Speaker 3: directory and know that you can always reach out to
Speaker 3: a doctor for help. And there are other ways to
Speaker 3: get support too.
Speaker 1: Type in climate cafes and you can find places where
Speaker 1: you can join online others who are talking about their
Speaker 1: feelings and there is no judgment of what you're saying.
Speaker 1: They're not looking for you to provide remedies. You're there
Speaker 1: to listen and to experience what other people are experiencing,
Speaker 1: and it's just a very supportive environment. Then there is
Speaker 1: also a step a little bit more activist is Citizens
Speaker 1: Climate Lobby Joan's Citizens Climate Lobby. There you will find
Speaker 1: a like minded individuals who really want to wade into
Speaker 1: the political sphere and take action. They write op eds,
Speaker 1: they share information, lots of good stuff, So Citizens Climate Lobby.
Speaker 3: And finally remember, but what you feel and do matters.
Speaker 3: Each of us hold a great deal of power, and
Speaker 3: we have to remember that I read not.
Speaker 1: Long ago and this was a good thing for me
Speaker 1: to remember is when you feel powerless about something, try
Speaker 1: to think of what power you're giving up?
Speaker 3: Hm, Yes, are you really going to give that up? Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're really going.
Speaker 1: To give out a good way to confront yourself about
Speaker 1: what you might be leaving on the table that you
Speaker 1: ought not to.
Speaker 3: Lisa, I really like that. I really I've not heard
Speaker 3: that at all. Actually that's about Wow. That's really powerful. Actually,
Speaker 3: that's really powerful. Yeah, what power you giving up? Gosh, Lisa. Honestly,
Speaker 3: thank you so much of your time. It's been absolutely
Speaker 3: brilliant talking to you and completely inspired.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 3: Honestly, it's genuinely, it really is. It's just been a
Speaker 3: very wide ranging discussion, but we've just covered so many
Speaker 3: important issues. Absolutely, thank you, Thank you. You've been absolutely
Speaker 3: wonderful to talk to you. Thank you so much. Honestly,
Speaker 3: it really has been brilliant.
Speaker 2: Weird fucking the future. We're a fucking the future.
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be an episode of I'm Fucking the Future
Speaker 3: if I didn't bring in the brilliant Maggie Bed for
Speaker 3: some good advice too. What fuck can I do? Every
Speaker 3: episode we highlight one action you can take to get involved,
Speaker 3: and as always we're talking to our friend Maggie bed
Speaker 3: for help. Thanks for coming back on the show, Maggie.
Speaker 7: Oh, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: So. Lisa had a lot to say about the negative
Speaker 3: impact of climate crisis is having on our mental health.
Speaker 3: What's something our listeners can do to protect their mental
Speaker 3: health and the health of the people they care about.
Speaker 7: The first thing I want to recommend is a book.
Speaker 7: It's a book called It's Not Just You by Tory Sue.
Speaker 7: She's an amazing activist and this book will help you
Speaker 7: feel that you're not alone. And then the second thing
Speaker 7: you can do is find a support group, and for
Speaker 7: that I want to recommend A great website was put
Speaker 7: together by the rapper Megan the Stallion and it is
Speaker 7: called bad Bitches Have Bad Days Too dot com.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, I presume that's a reference to a song anxiety,
Speaker 3: So it's probably my favorite maketrack off to Beautiful Mistakes.
Speaker 7: Wow, Chris, you really know the Megan thee Stallion Cadillac.
Speaker 7: I am very impressed. Yes, anxiety is about mental health
Speaker 7: and Megan and her team have put together this amazing
Speaker 7: companion website that is full of incredible resources to help
Speaker 7: you find support for what you're going through, whomever and
Speaker 7: wherever you are. For example, the site has links to
Speaker 7: therapy platforms like the Center for Interactive Mental Health Solutions
Speaker 7: and the directory of resources specifically tailored to at risk
Speaker 7: and historically marginalized communities. So whoever you are, you'll be
Speaker 7: able to find useful mental health support at Bad Bitches
Speaker 7: Have Bad Days too dot com.
Speaker 1: And of course, as always.
Speaker 7: You can talk to your doctor, your guidance counselor faith
Speaker 7: leader or whoever your trusted figure is about what you're feeling.
Speaker 7: The first step to managing these feelings is understanding that
Speaker 7: you're not alone.
Speaker 3: Oh thanks, Maggie, And that's what the fuck you can
Speaker 3: do this week? What fuck can I do?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 5: Fucked?
Speaker 3: That's it for now. Next time, on the fucking the Future,
Speaker 3: we're talking to one of the greats, an absolute giant
Speaker 3: in the fight against climate change, Bill mckibbon.
Speaker 6: You know there's some people who can't reach there, just
Speaker 6: spend too much time listening to you know, Donald Trump
Speaker 6: or Rush Limbaugh or something. With older people, there's definitely
Speaker 6: the idea that, and it turns out to be correct,
Speaker 6: that your grand grandkids will h will think you're cool,
Speaker 6: get the rested, fucking share whoever, whatever you're doing. But
Speaker 6: I think it's just a sense of responsibility. I mean, look,
Speaker 6: climate change is basically at test at this point of
Speaker 6: whether the Big Brain was a good adaptation or not.
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