1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of The Doug Gottlieb 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: three to five Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR Boom, What Up America, 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show, Fine Sports Radio. I hope you're having 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: a great day. We appreciate you join us. Fun day, 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: crazy day, interesting day, and a day in which congratulations 10 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: to the Milwaukee Bucks. Congratulations and you're like, wait, we 11 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: make congratulations. You traded for Miles Turner and you waved 12 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: Damian Lillard and Okay, hey, here's the thing. I I 13 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: heard the update from Bayer. Hey Dan, how are you? 14 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: I understand the sentiment from Jannis. Okay, but let me 15 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: let's let's just cut the brass tacks, okay. Giannis Atennacupo 16 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: is a tremendous player. He seems like an incredible human being. 17 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: He really does, but he quite obviously knows nothing about 18 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: team building because his fingerprints were all over the Damian 19 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: Lillard acquisition and it didn't work, and it wasn't gonna work, 20 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: and they did a really good thing, right, they did 21 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: a really good thing. Like if you remember back, if 22 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: you just use Michael Jordan as your guide. Michael Jordan 23 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: was furious that the Chicago Bulls traded away Charles Oakley 24 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: for medical Bill Cartwright. That was his nickname, Medical Bill Cartwright. 25 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: But you know what happened with the Chicago Bulls when 26 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: they traded Charles Oakley for medical Bill Cartwright. The Chicago 27 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: Bulls win NBA championship because they knew at the time 28 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: they had Horace Grant, who was a better, less expensive 29 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: power forward who was incredible defensively, and at the time 30 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 1: you needed one of those old man centers. And medical 31 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: Bill Cartwright. Even though he had this weird shot where 32 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: he wound up and then he shot it like over 33 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: his head. It was like the weirdest shot ever, but 34 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: it went in. He could score just enough and they 35 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: won their first couple of championships with Bill Cartwright as 36 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: their starting center. That Charles Oakley was best friends to 37 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: protector of Michael Jordan. But you know what he didn't do. 38 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: He didn't help him win a championship. It doesn't make 39 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: him a bad person, doesn't make a bad player. It 40 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: just wasn't a fit. And they had Horace Grant, who 41 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: was a better defensive player, less ego, less money, younger, 42 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: and then oh yeah, by the way, Horace Grant, when 43 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: he could be a free agent, he left. He went 44 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: to Orland know and then they figured out in the 45 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: next time around, they had Dennis rodmin as their power 46 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: forward look Damian Lillard. It didn't fit. It didn't work 47 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: when he was healthy. Tour's Achilles ten and so next 48 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: year is a wash anyway, So a guy who isn't 49 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: a particularly good defender started to get a little bit 50 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 1: over the hill, was overpaid and wasn't gonna really play 51 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: or help you next year, Like all right, boohoo, sorry 52 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: he's gone, Like this is show business, not show friends. 53 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: It's time to move on. And the same thing for 54 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: the inn and and Pacers. Oh they should be upset, 55 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: like no, Tyrese Haliburton's Tours Achilles Tenant, He's not gonna 56 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: give you anything of anything next year. Next year is 57 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: gonna have to be rebuild, reconfigure, and maybe Halle comes 58 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: back at the end of the year and maybe by 59 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: the second year you know, again you're talking about twenty 60 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: what seven, twenty eight, Maybe by then Halliburton's back to 61 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: being who he was in the playoffs, and now you 62 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: go go for it. But this is really about the 63 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: Milwaukee Bucks. They won a title and then they were 64 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: kind of frustrated, and then they did kind of what 65 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: we talked about the Steelers doing. They went all in. 66 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: And at the time I did say I don't think 67 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: it works, because, yes, Drew Holliday offensively and star power 68 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: wise appears to be inferior to that of Damianllard, but 69 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: he does all the other little things that actually wins 70 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: you basketball games, and Dame is the best player on 71 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: an average team. And it played out as such. It 72 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: didn't work. It just didn't work. It's not fantasy sports 73 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: doesn't work that way. You don't take thirty points with 74 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: the Blazers and put it on the Milwaukee Bucks and go, hey, Giannis. 75 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: It tracks all this attention. He likes to pass the ball, 76 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: He needs better shooters. Here's the best shooting point guard 77 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: outside of Steph Curry in the NBA. And you know, 78 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: you put thirty points with thirty points and it's sixty points. 79 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: That's not how it works, and then again, it's not 80 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 1: a good thing, but it would definitely help the Bucks. 81 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: Argument tears as Achilles tended. So you get to go sorry, 82 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: it may look bad, it may feel bad, you may 83 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: not like it, but it's the only way this thing 84 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: works is if we just wash our hands of it 85 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: and move on and try something else. So they went 86 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: and got Miles Turner, who's an elite shooting center. Gives 87 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: them rim protection and space for Giannis to play inside 88 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: the lane. And now they got to figure out what 89 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: they want to put around those two. And Giannis isn't happy. Okay, Well, 90 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: you were really happy when we picked up Damian Lillard 91 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: and that didn't work. You're really happy when we hired 92 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: the assistant coach. You were ready that you most wanted 93 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: and that didn't work. So we're gonna do what we 94 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: think is in the best interest of our team. And 95 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: when we've done that in the past, we've competed for 96 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: it actually won an NBA title. I don't know, that's 97 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: that's that's my take on the basics of those moves. Buyer, 98 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: you're a native Wisconsin kans Wisconsin. Because consonite you are, 99 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: you do watch way more Bucks games than any of us. 100 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: What do you think about the moves. 101 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: I think it is the first progressive move made by 102 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: this front office in maybe the Yannis era because Doug 103 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 2: when they were put into the position of being a contender, 104 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 2: if you will, when Giannis was the super stardom stuff. 105 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 2: I don't want to say it was easy to get 106 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: Drew Holliday or it was easy to get Damian Lillard. 107 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: But you just give up a bunch of stuff, give 108 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 2: up a bunch of draft picks, and you bring in 109 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: the player. And it doesn't take a lot of creativity 110 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: to do a good deal because you don't care about 111 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: the whether you're getting the better end of the deal 112 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 2: or not. You're just looking for the star player. And 113 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: so now they were at a spot where they were really, 114 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 2: really really really put in a corner because of his injury, 115 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: because of his contract, and I am just happy as 116 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 2: a fan that they made a decision that just wasn't 117 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 2: an easy decision or a decision that you think that 118 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: would be common in the NBA. This has gone against 119 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: the grain. I don't know why Giannis is so upset 120 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: about it. Damian Lillard, I think was shocked, but by 121 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: all accounts from Chris Haynes. He's happy with the outcome. 122 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: He gets his one hundred and thirteen million dollars, he 123 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: doesn't have to be in Milwaukee. He can rehab on 124 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: his own. He's already getting calls from teams as a 125 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: free agent. Seems to be a pretty good deal for 126 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: Damian Lillard. So there's no reason for Giannis to be 127 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: disappointed on how this went down. But I just give 128 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: them kudos because Doug I always felt they took the 129 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: easy way out. They didn't produce their young players, they 130 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 2: didn't try to develop guys. Seems like they gave up 131 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: on guys way too early that they would draft. And 132 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 2: that was all signs of TEA teams who just were 133 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: kind of in that mode of thinking they were in 134 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 2: championship mode. So let's just, you know, throw caution to 135 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: the wind and try to get the best players, and 136 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 2: who cares what we give up. This is the first 137 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 2: move that's contrariant to all of that, and it actually 138 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: is refreshing. 139 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: Okay, because you heard it from Dan Byer noted wisconsinit. 140 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I just said I agree with you, Doug. 141 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: No, you I mean I could have it was yeah, 142 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: but yours was far more eloquent. Mine was a little 143 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: bit more terse, and yours was substantive providing history of 144 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: this franchise in the last decade. So I actually thought 145 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: it was really good to buttress my remarks. Anyway, I 146 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: do think I know why Giannis is upset about it. 147 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: I think there's two parts. Part one is like, I 148 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: think Jianna still wants to be the good guys. He's like, oh, 149 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: you're trained d that's like the hold me back, hold 150 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: me back on that. 151 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: Yes, I agreed, I think. 152 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: That's a little bit of it. But I also think 153 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: that it was kind of his idea, right, And I 154 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: don't care who you are and how little ego you 155 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: want to have when it's your idea and it doesn't work, 156 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: and everybody comes to the conclusion of it ain't gonna work. 157 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: It doesn't feel good, it just doesn't. And I think 158 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 1: that's the other possibility. Sure, you know, it's like, first 159 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: you hired my coach, the guy I wanted to be coached, 160 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: and you fired him before the season was done, and 161 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: then my guy Damian Lillard, like then you get rid 162 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: of him. Basically you tell me you're like, then you know, 163 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: people make it about especially this generation. I'll go to 164 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: a the playbook of Jason Stewart hold on Ah gen Z. 165 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: Gen Z's so used to being told yes, that when 166 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: they're told no, they freak out. Here's Gianni's sort of 167 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: your gen z e being told, hey, dude, we love you, 168 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: but we're not going to take your ideas anymore because 169 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: they not so much. 170 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 3: This is the best of the Doug Gottlieb Show on 171 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 3: Fox Sports. 172 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: Radio s Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. Ryan Hollins 173 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: joins us here on The Doug Gottlieb Show. Ryan, of 174 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: course knowing is part of our family at Fox Sports Radio, 175 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio, NBA analyst, but he's also the lead 176 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: analyst for the Houston Rockets TV network. So Ryan, there's 177 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: a lot of teams to talk about. Everyone's talking about 178 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: the Rockets. What do you think of what they've done? 179 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 4: You got to be a static at the moves that 180 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 4: have been made, and you know, sometimes you can just 181 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 4: spend money to spend money, but I feel like every 182 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 4: need was essentially met, and you know, the Rockets were 183 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 4: hitting a problem, and I wouldn't say it's necessarily a problem, 184 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 4: it's a good problem to have, but there was like 185 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 4: too much young talent, and the question was, al is 186 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 4: all this gonna work? And I firmly believe that when 187 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 4: you when you do things the right way, it ends 188 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 4: up paying off. And now you know, Houston is a 189 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 4: co location where it looks like guys want to come 190 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 4: and play. They want to be a part of what's 191 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 4: going on, and that's why they've hit these home runs 192 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 4: in free agency. 193 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: Doug Gotlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so 194 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: paint the picture for me of what they look like 195 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: taking the floor next year from your perspective, you know 196 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: this game, you know, I mean, obviously we know they're 197 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: gonna throw Kadi out there, right, what's that line up 198 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: look like? 199 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 4: I think, you know, and this is from my mindset 200 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 4: what I've seen. I haven't spoke with the coaching staff 201 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 4: or anything from it, but I think the fill is 202 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 4: to stick with EM's mentality and the culture that he's 203 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 4: built of hard those defense, commitment on both sides of 204 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 4: the ball, and then you add in the scoring of 205 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 4: Kevin Durant and then you know, you try to keep 206 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 4: it going as best as possible. And the one position 207 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 4: and that was that was that was really missing for 208 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 4: some time. And Houston was a shot blocker, and you 209 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 4: get that in Clint Capella. So that's goal right there, 210 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 4: and you get to compliment our friend Shangon. And as 211 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 4: good as Steven Adams was during the season, Stephen didn't 212 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 4: didn't play much, you know, he played about every other day. 213 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 4: So now you get an opportunity to say, well, Steven 214 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 4: Adams is not playing, there's not going to be this 215 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 4: severe drop off to the ball club. And that's something 216 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 4: that you saw a lot of. So hopefully the offense 217 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 4: matures along with the defense that was far ahead of 218 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 4: pace in the offensive rebounds. But I think he is 219 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 4: going to look to maintain, you know, the nuts and 220 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 4: bolts of what he built. And while the group was 221 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 4: number two in the Western Conference this season. 222 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: We haven't talked since Rich Paul had his statement about 223 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: Lebron's future with the Lakers. He covered the league, but 224 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: he also played in the league with Lebron. Most everybody 225 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: in the past quarter century has played of league with Lebron. 226 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: What's your take on the Lebron and Lakers situation. 227 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 4: I think this is just from my mindset and what 228 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 4: I've seen, and we can assume I think there's new 229 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 4: ownership coming in town. I think maybe there's questions about 230 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 4: where you know, Lebron stands with him and I think 231 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 4: for himself, each son the gauge where his value is now. 232 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 4: The intriguing thing Doug is I don't realistically see a 233 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 4: spot or a team where he can go with the 234 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 4: money that he is making. So I don't know how 235 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 4: that would necessarily play out that not that Lebron is 236 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 4: not playing at a high level. Still er can bring 237 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 4: a lot of value to an organization, but what sense 238 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 4: would that make at that number? And then again for 239 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 4: an organization, you're just saying, well, how long how much 240 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 4: longer does he have? He's played longer than any of 241 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 4: us could have, could have dreamed or you know, even imagined, 242 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 4: you know, and Lebron's amazing in itself, so I think 243 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 4: it's extremely intriguing. And then you look at the addition 244 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 4: and he put that, thrown this out of Luka Dacics 245 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 4: and just saying, well, what does that mean for Lebron 246 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 4: James at the end of the day. So I think 247 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 4: I don't know a scenario where he gets moved or 248 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 4: he gets traded, and how that would ultimately play out. 249 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, I think what 250 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 4: it says is just there's uncertainty with his new ownership 251 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 4: staff and Lebron and Ridge, palland company are trying to 252 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 4: see where they stand. 253 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the 254 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: voice of Ryan Hollins. Why is is Jannis really upset 255 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: that they bought out Damian Lillard? 256 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 4: I think maybe things hadn't been run by him, or 257 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 4: maybe this is a spoke spreen that says that they 258 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 4: were and he hated it and he wants to stay 259 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 4: out of it, you know, obviously, you know, I think 260 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 4: as much as it's a business, Joannie is the old 261 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 4: school and he has a high level of respect for 262 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 4: guys like Lillard and just the integrity behind the game 263 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 4: a lot ourge reason why he's still a Milwaukee Buck 264 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 4: at the end of the day. Is he upset? I 265 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 4: don't know. I spoken to his people if not, but 266 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 4: I think it's just the integrity that he has of 267 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 4: wanting to step out and do things the right way 268 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 4: and just man, Doug, I don't know if I'm crazy. 269 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 4: It's just a wacky time in the NBA, Like you 270 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 4: have one of the younger teams that's ever won the championship. 271 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 4: Lebron James still playing at a high level. He's talking 272 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 4: about being traded. This is like two decades coars of 273 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 4: basketball that we're seeing. And then Damian Lillard, a megastar, 274 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 4: gets hurt, and that just gets hurt. He gets spot 275 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 4: out of one hundred and twenty two million dollars. This 276 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 4: is just an intriguing time, and I think we're stepping 277 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 4: into just different waters from NBA basketball all the way around. 278 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 4: I think everybody's trying to figure out what the next 279 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 4: landscape of the league is going to look like. And 280 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 4: I think we loves like this show us because as 281 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 4: good as Indiana was, Miles Turner moves on to Milwaukee, 282 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 4: and I think that puts Milwaukee in their front court 283 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,479 Speaker 4: with Bobby Portis right in the thick of things with everybody. 284 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean also, I mean I think you Milwaukee, 285 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: India and Boston, you know, they're just like, hey, we're 286 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: not going to have these guys next year, So we 287 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: got to kind of we got to move on from him. 288 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: The one part that I would push back on, do 289 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: I think Lebron's playing at a high level? Yeah, but 290 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: if he's really a top fifteen players still, and we 291 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: have Luca, and we both would agree lucas a top fifteen, 292 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: top ten, maybe even top five player, Like the I 293 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: want to win a championship, but I can't win a 294 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: championship in LA, Well then you must not be a 295 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: top fifteen player anymore, which again is okay, you're forty 296 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: years old. But that's really what that's an admittance of. 297 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 4: You know, I'm one of the bigger Lebron apologiests and 298 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 4: as just telling you that, you know, Lebron wants his 299 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 4: cake and wants to eat it too, you know. You know, 300 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 4: it's tough because he's on the court and the alpha 301 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 4: and him wants to say, give me the ball, let 302 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 4: me take over. I'm going to get the best shot 303 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 4: we can get. And then he gets to a point 304 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 4: where he can say. 305 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 5: Well, hey, I need help, you know, And that's kind 306 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 5: of been the frustrations with Lebron this at the same time, 307 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 5: you know, so I think again, it's a unique situation, 308 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 5: and you would think that with Luka Doncic this was 309 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 5: the ideal situation and JJ Reddick as a coach and 310 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 5: all things going on over there and We can't deny 311 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 5: the power of the influence that Lebron has with the 312 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 5: Lakers at the end of the day, but you know, 313 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 5: you got to say, is this necessarily a power play? 314 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 4: What's this look like? If ownership is going to step in, 315 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 4: are they going to be as inviting to Bronni James' development? 316 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 4: You know, where's their mindset? And as much as you 317 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 4: like to say it's not a part of it, Lebron 318 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 4: is a whole, mega entity in itself, and that is 319 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 4: a part. And as good as he is, You're right, Douck, 320 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 4: he is asking for help. 321 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: It's really interesting. There's talk of the Mavericks using Cooper 322 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: Flag as a point guard as they wait for Kyrie 323 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: Irving to return. But when Kyrie does come back and 324 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 1: again thirty three, he'll be thirty four in March. He's 325 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: had a lot of operations. What do you think of 326 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: the makeup of the Mavericks more on paper obviously, because 327 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: we got to see it play out in person, We 328 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: got to see what Kyrie's like coming off another big, 329 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: big injury. What's your thoughts of the of the Mavericks 330 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: on paper? 331 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 4: Man, I had said this, and I've even contacted you 332 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 4: know some of Dallas has said actually played them the 333 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 4: first game where Anthony Davis got hurt and for half 334 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 4: a basketball, Doug, they were stifling, like we could barely 335 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 4: get the ball and our group could barely get the 336 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 4: ball across half court. And we had held our own 337 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 4: pound for pound with the league. But when Anthony Davis 338 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,959 Speaker 4: is playing at a high level, it was it's impressive 339 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 4: and there's some things being built over there in Dallas. 340 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 4: I think the big challenge with the Luca trade, you know, 341 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 4: we've talked about it to exhaustion, is that you just 342 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 4: did get a pick back for it. But you know, 343 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 4: if Anthony Davis, and this is a big if, if 344 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 4: he's healthy, they're pound for pound with with anybody over there. 345 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 4: And I think they're doing things the right way as expected. 346 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 4: With Cooper Flag and his unique skill set, they're going 347 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 4: to exhaust his development and that means putting him in 348 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 4: very unique situations. Now, ultimately, is he going to be 349 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 4: a primary ball handler. I don't know what that's best 350 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 4: for Cooper Flag. I think he's best off the ball 351 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 4: as a slasher and cutter and energy guy and spacer 352 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 4: and that's why you like his skill set. But They're 353 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 4: going to exhaust seeing what he can become and what 354 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 4: they can build around with him over there. But I 355 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 4: tell you defensively, Man, that they can get after you. Dude. 356 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 4: They cover ground and that's built around Anthony Davis. 357 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: Awesome stuff, Ryan Man, Thank you so much for joining us. 358 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: You're the best. Appreciate you being our guest. It's a 359 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: wild time, as you point out in the NBA, and 360 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: we appreciate you to helping us find our center. 361 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 4: Oh anytime, all right, Doug. 362 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: Ottlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, coming up next, 363 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna get to the things that Dan wishes or 364 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: the thing that Dan wishes he wouldn't have said Buyer's 365 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 1: remorse staxt. 366 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 367 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 3: the nation yet. Catch all of our shows at Fox 368 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 3: sports Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio. 369 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: App Snug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. You brought this 370 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 1: to our tension, Dan Byer yesterday that I don't know 371 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: this part of the WNBA All Star selection. The players 372 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: get to vote and Caitlin Clark was voted as the 373 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: ninth best guard in the WNBA by WNBA players, Right, Yes, 374 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: So then you're sitting there going like, oh boy, here 375 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: we go, and then you're like, well, you know, I mean, 376 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: I'll just kind of be honest when I saw the poll. 377 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: I don't watch the WNBA except occasional when Kitlin Clark 378 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: is playing, right, I mean, can we just be honest, Sam, 379 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: I accept the fact that you do, but the rest 380 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: of us and most of the rest of the world 381 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: do not. 382 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 2: I don't watch I don't watch games outside of fever games, honestly. 383 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, fair enough? Right, So, like Skyler Diggins, like 384 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: I remember her from Notre Dame. I can't tell you 385 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: I've ever seen her play professional basketball. I have no 386 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: idea if she's awesome or if she's just okay or whatever. 387 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: But again, like she's the player's rank curve way ahead, 388 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: and everybody else fans and media does not like. I 389 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: don't know, so I don't say you're like, wow, that's 390 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: weird ninth. That feels like they don't like her, right. 391 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: It feels like they're trying to even out the hype train. 392 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: Like Okay, well, I want to be fair. Maybe she 393 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: is the ninth best card, you know, not having the 394 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: greatest year in the world. I don't know. Maybe then 395 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: I saw this video which was part of a story 396 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: I saw in the New York Post. I don't know where 397 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: you guys saw it. Where the Sparks that cla team? 398 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: Who are they playing Sam? Because they weren't playing the Fear, 399 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: They're playing the Chicago Sky. So you have Kelsey Plum. 400 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: And for people don't remember, Kelsey Plum was the nation's 401 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: all time leading score in women's basketball history vision on 402 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: women's basketball history before she was passed by Kaitlyn Clark, 403 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: which is again part of my argument for stop saying 404 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: it's about her being white. Kelsey Plumb is white, and 405 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: it didn't change Sabrina Ynescu white like again, highly touted 406 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: college player, very good WNBA player, but she hasn't received 407 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: the attention of Kaitlyn Clark. So it's more than just 408 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: about color of her skin or whether or not you're straight. 409 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: Kelsey Plumb is straight. She was married to what's his 410 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: name who got retired from the radar, Darren Waller, right, 411 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: So there's something else as to why people are attracted 412 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: to her game and why people watch her. She has 413 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: a little bit of that. It it's the passing, it's 414 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: the logo shots it's the branding that took place four 415 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: years in college, in two final years, in the final four. 416 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: But I wanted to be fair and be like, well, 417 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: it's not. They don't all hate her, they get it. 418 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: Then I saw this. This is Kelsey Plump. She's getting 419 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: ready to take on the Chicago Sky. It's at Staples Center. 420 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: She sees a fan who's wearing a Caitlin Clark shirt 421 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: and says, this says do better. Yeah, when you come 422 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: to a game, yeah, you gotta wear our gear. Like what. 423 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: She's not Michael Jordan. But can you imagine if when 424 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan was playing, people say like, hey, you can't 425 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: wear Michael Jordan gear when you come to a Lakers 426 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: SuperSonics game, or you can't wear Steph Curry gear unless 427 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: you go to a Warriors game, and you can't wear 428 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: Lebron gear unless you go to a Lakers game. Like what. 429 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: I don't like stereotypes. I don't think anybody does. I 430 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 1: don't like serato. I don't like being pigeonholed into the 431 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: this is who you are perfect sample is me as 432 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: a player, right, I'm a coach's son, I'm a white guy, 433 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: and so most people would think coaches son a great shooter, 434 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: limited athlete, where I was the opposite. I was really athletic, 435 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: could really pass, couldn't shoot again. Stereotypes don't always work 436 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: that way. But stereotype for women are man. They are 437 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: the pettiest of petty creatures. They are so insecure that 438 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: it turns into incredible jealousy. It feels like people who 439 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 1: put the tracker's location on the device. No guy has 440 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: ever said like, hey, let me make sure your locations 441 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: on it your phone. But women different story. Jealousy plum 442 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: perfect example, like living down to the stereotype of women. Wait, 443 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: so she's wearing a Candlin carture, but she's at your game, right, 444 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: where's the downside? Combine that with the story that buyers 445 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: shared with all of us on text, which is the 446 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: women voted her the ninth best guard in the WNBA, 447 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 1: and you start to understand that this is not a 448 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 1: media creation. We haven't created this narrative where they're all 449 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: jealous of her. They're all jealous of her and we're 450 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: all just amazed because guys must hide it better because 451 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: this doesn't happen in real professional sports. That's why the 452 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: WNBA is not a real professional sport because this doesn't 453 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: happen in real professional sports. You're acting like amateurs, or 454 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: you're acting like the negative stereotypes about women being caddy jealous, 455 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: insecure creatures. Whatever it is, it's just a terrible look. 456 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Dude, God, 457 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff going on in the NBA. 458 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: I do think that, like the Lillard stuff in the uh, 459 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: you know, the Bucks and the Pacers realizing where they 460 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: are is very very interesting. Dan, if I ask you 461 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: go ahead, I'm sorry. 462 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 4: No. 463 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 2: I think that the Miles Turner deal is interesting in 464 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 2: a couple of levels. And I think we're looking at 465 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 2: it from the Milwaukee perspective, how it affects the honest 466 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 2: how it affects other things. But like the Celtics are 467 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 2: kind of tearing it down after the Tatum injury and 468 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 2: moving pieces. The Pacers with Halliburton's injury now are in 469 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 2: quite a different spot to be in. Yeah, and Doug, 470 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 2: it even goes back to the point something that me 471 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 2: and the guys were discussing off the air last week 472 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 2: was the risk of playing in a Game seven for 473 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 2: Tyrese Haliburton and suffering that injury like it was worth it, 474 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 2: like there was no In other situations, you're maybe saying like, 475 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,959 Speaker 2: oh man, he's gonna miss all of the next season. 476 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 2: But when you have the Game seven NBA Finals, how 477 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 2: often are you gonna get that opportunity to play in 478 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: that game? You risk it and unfortunately they lost the risk. 479 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 2: But this is also a point of how many times 480 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 2: a you're gonna get the Game seven and the Pacers 481 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 2: makeup Right now, sure looks different than it did two 482 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 2: weeks ago, considering the injury and now Miles Turner leaving. 483 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: Well, there's the look. I think the whole post Achilles 484 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: ten and they all happen in the postseason. So all 485 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 1: these teams are saying the same thing we're saying, which 486 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: is like, hey, those guys aren't gonna if they play 487 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: next year, are not gonna help you mm hmm yep. 488 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: And so it has inorganically made the Celtics hit refresh, 489 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: made the Pacers hit refresh, and made the Bucks hit refresh. 490 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: Just the reality of the situation. Yeah, And no matter 491 00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: how much you can talk you want to talk yourself 492 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: out of, well, they could be back late next year. Like, dude, 493 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: nobody's back and the same. It takes you a while. 494 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: Even Kevin Durant, who's come back relatively healthy from it, 495 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: he was out the longest period of time of any 496 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: athlete professional athlete ever. It was basically two years he 497 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: was out with the achilles and now he's come back healthy. 498 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: He's a little bit older than all of them, but 499 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: it is. It's the it's the teams saying we believe 500 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: in science, and we believe next year is a lost year. 501 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: And by the way, they all make a lot of money, 502 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: so there's just nothing you can do with the cap 503 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: and the Bucks bit the bullet and bought them out. 504 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: The Celtics have bit the bullet and hit refresh, and 505 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: the Pacers seem to be doing the same as the Bucks, 506 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: same as the Celtics. Ecuse me, really interesting? Yeah, I 507 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: go ahead. 508 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 2: I was going to say. The last thing you want 509 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 2: to do is you said that guy's coming back late, 510 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 2: Like why would you rush it? You know, like like 511 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 2: it's just this, this is so many more problems. There's 512 00:28:58,880 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: just no point. 513 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: Tight it's red shirt ear get healthy, we'll see you 514 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: in a year. We'll see you here, and just don't 515 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: kid us as fans. Okay, I have a question for 516 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: you guys about the Lebron thing. Okay, obviously I was 517 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: pretty harsh there yesterday and I still believe it. I 518 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: just the messaging to me is it's just such a miss. 519 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: So I do think there's an alternative idea here from 520 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: Rich Paul, which it's one of those I do hear 521 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: what you're saying, Hey man, he wants to win and 522 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: they're they're all in on winning on with with Luca 523 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: in two years. Uh. This here's a sentence everybody needs 524 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: to say. Anybody needs to admit Lebron James is not 525 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: a top ten player in the NBA. And you're like, 526 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: WHOA to me, there were people last year when Lebron 527 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: would have a big night'd be like, Lebron's still the 528 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: best player in the NBA. Lebron James is not a 529 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: top ten player in the NBA. I can prove it. 530 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: Are you ready? If any other team had two top 531 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: ten players in the NBA, we would consider them a 532 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: favorite to win an NBA title, would we not? 533 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 4: Yeah? 534 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: Probably? Okay, So if Lebron is saying, hey, I want 535 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: to win a championship, but the Lakers are trying to 536 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: win a championship in another year, two years or whatever. 537 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: Then he and his team are admitting I'm not a 538 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: top ten, top to fifteen player anymore, right, which again, 539 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: if I don't even think they realize that's what they're saying. 540 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: I think a good part of it is they're just 541 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: that Anthony Davis getting traded wasn't their plan. He was 542 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: their guy. Lakers are starting to do their own thing 543 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: and figure it out. It's going to become Luca's team. 544 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: But regardless with Luca's team or whatever, like nobody actually 545 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: cares any other team. You've got two top ten players 546 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: in the NBA, two top fifteen players in the NBA, 547 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: and you're gonna be a favorite, especially in this parody 548 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: driven era of the NBA. So let's all just admit it. 549 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: He ain't there anymore, which is okay, forty years old, 550 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be. He's an amazing player, but he 551 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: in a top fifteen player. Definitely in a top ten player. 552 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: John Middlecoff joins us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show 553 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: on Fox Ports Radio three and Out is in fact 554 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: the podcast covering the National Football League Steelers. Kind of 555 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: unstealers like John R. Pushing their chips and going all in. 556 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: They I know, you love to gamble. They're like the 557 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: guy who's super conservative, always folding when it's just an 558 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: average to blow average hand, you know, not going crazy, 559 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: not betting outside of the kind of whatever their plan is. 560 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, they're just pushing their 561 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: chips to the middle, even though they don't have King 562 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: A's high. It does feel Unsteelers, Like does it not? 563 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 6: I do under it. The last couple of years they've 564 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 6: kind of sawed out neutral and they took the approach 565 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 6: of like, you know, not that you know TJ. Watt 566 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 6: or Minka or some of these guys are content. You know. 567 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 6: Part of the NFL when you don't win is like, 568 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 6: you know, I see the reaction to Dame Lillard right now, 569 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 6: like that's an NFL move towards Achilles, move on sign 570 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 6: another guy, like he's not useful to us the differences 571 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 6: in the NBA. He'll still get his one hundred and 572 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 6: fifteen million dollars. And I think, you know, Minka, to me, 573 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 6: not only is a good player, but he's a high 574 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,479 Speaker 6: level leader. But I also think it's kind of a 575 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 6: shell shock to the locker room, like what's been happening 576 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 6: in here is not okay, and now everyone's kind of 577 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 6: on on till like a like a poker player. I 578 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 6: guess which most locker rooms in the NFL are like that. 579 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 6: Look at the Niners. They had been making the Super Bowl, 580 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 6: making a long playoff runs, and this year they got 581 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 6: rid of everybody, you know, besides like five or six 582 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 6: core players, and it just kind of keeps everyone. It's 583 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 6: just a nature of the business. And the Steelers have 584 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 6: never really operated like that. And I do wonder if 585 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 6: they said screw it. I mean, we've gone nowhere with 586 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 6: what we've had, because I Dayalen Rams and getting traded 587 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 6: wasn't shocking, but the moment they said Minka Fitzpatrick was 588 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 6: basically why they were trading him in the tight end. 589 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 6: That was a pretty eye opening move, wasn't I it was. 590 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: It was really eye opening the whole thing. It does 591 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: track though with Aaron Rodgers hey Man one year, like 592 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: let's go all in. It stands the reason that if 593 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: it doesn't work, that's the end of Tomlin, right, like 594 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: he rides off in the sunset, goes and does TV. 595 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I do. 596 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 6: Think, you know, if there was a divorce, he would 597 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 6: have a ton of suitors, you know, I mean Miami, 598 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 6: probably New York. I mean, these teams would be all 599 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 6: over the guy, so he would crush on TV. But 600 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 6: you know, being a head coach of the NFL is 601 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 6: you know, I mean it's about as good of a 602 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 6: job in terms of paying fifteen plus million dollars, the notoriety, 603 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 6: the power that comes with that, I think there would 604 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 6: be people lined. 605 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 4: Up to get him. 606 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 6: I also have been saying, like, you know, this is 607 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 6: they're really testing him this year, right, I mean, DK 608 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 6: a ton of personal fouls, you know, Jalen Ramsey, Warren 609 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,879 Speaker 6: as Welcome, a couple of different places, Rogers, they got 610 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 6: a lot going on. So this is gonna really test Tomlin. 611 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 6: Which his best attribute, right is leadership is the ability 612 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 6: to kind of run a locker room. And they've really 613 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 6: I mean Minca because I texted some buddies yesterday, I'm like, 614 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 6: am I missing something? And they're like no. In our building, 615 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 6: we view Minca is not just a great player, but 616 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 6: a super high intangible leadership, you know, the team captain 617 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 6: type guy. So to replace him with Jalen Ramsey, now 618 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 6: maybe they go you know down the stretch, Remember the 619 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 6: Steelers defense was not very good and Minca was playing, 620 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 6: so they go, we had two corners, you know, in 621 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 6: Jalen and in Darius Slay during the Cow or at 622 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 6: least in my life, the Cow or Tomlin run their 623 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 6: good defenses. They've had tall, long corners, tall long corners 624 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 6: and you know back in the day you could have 625 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 6: like hard hitting safety. Those don't really exist anymore because 626 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 6: they're not allowed in a pass rush. So maybe they think, hey, 627 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 6: tall on corners, get up on you, jammy at the line, 628 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 6: Like that's the Steelers philosophy and t J. Watt and 629 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 6: everybody rushed the passer and hopefully were better on offense, right. 630 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 6: I mean that, that to me is one of their mangals, 631 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 6: like we're just gonna be maybe not like a top 632 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 6: five offense, but we are going to be an offense 633 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 6: that down the stretch last year we kind of are like, 634 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 6: what are we watching that? Clearly ideally, because now they 635 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 6: got multiple tight ends. They draft this running back really high. 636 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 6: I think in the second third round from Iowa, who's 637 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 6: a big physical player. You had DK who you know, 638 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 6: physical freak. You already got Jalen Warren, like, they do 639 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 6: have some offensive pieces if it all comes together. 640 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Aaron Rodgers doesn't turn the ball over right, 641 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: Like the one thing is, for the most part, he 642 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: didn't turn it over. 643 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 6: Before first got to Green Bay. And Rogers' career was 644 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,760 Speaker 6: kind of in a weird spot and they just settled 645 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 6: it down by running that Shanahan offense. Yeah, have to 646 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 6: get a little at but big plays on offense and 647 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 6: running the ball like that to me and Arthur Smith, 648 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 6: the Rooney family, I mean, they they dream about running 649 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 6: the football. 650 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 1: Uh, Darren Waller unretires, unretires, joins the Miami Dolphins. Look, 651 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: he's had a long and winding road to even stardom. Yeah, 652 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,399 Speaker 1: but what what is it? Was it what he had 653 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 1: in the tank when he walked away? Was it mental stuff? 654 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on him getting back in the league. 655 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 6: So what I gathered was he was just kind of 656 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 6: over football. And you know, when I see this, you know, 657 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,919 Speaker 6: obviously Miami's a little desperate. You know, I I never 658 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,919 Speaker 6: because there's no disputing his talent, like his physical capabilities. 659 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 6: He's he's a pretty big freak, you know, just in 660 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 6: terms of you know, the size, the athleticism, the speed 661 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 6: he's been banged up the last couple of years. I 662 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,280 Speaker 6: think sometimes if you don't love football, like I mean truly, 663 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 6: like paid man Tom Brady, the w you know what, 664 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 6: once you get banged up, you know, football it's such 665 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 6: a grind to rehab to only play, you know, it's 666 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 6: not like basketball baseball where you get a. 667 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:09,760 Speaker 4: Lot of games. 668 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 6: You just only you only play a small number of games. 669 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 6: I think it kind of puts into perspective for some 670 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 6: of these guys, like do I didn't like doing this 671 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,280 Speaker 6: and now these guys are getting so rich. I think Miami, 672 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 6: I don't know where you stand, but I could see 673 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 6: Miami being a pretty big train wreck. I had like 674 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 6: an assistant GM He's like, look at their corner depth. 675 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 6: He's like in this league where everyone passes, you know, 676 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 6: you can say what you want. Jalen's a diminishing player, 677 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 6: but look who's starting at corner for them like it 678 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 6: could be and their defense just hasn't been that great 679 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 6: to begin with. So I you know, I know that 680 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 6: Raheem most Erin's popping off. Like last time I checked 681 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 6: Jayalen Ramsey was a guy like showing up late to meetings, 682 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,879 Speaker 6: you know, So it's like, I don't know, you could 683 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 6: argue in this day and age with the amount of money. 684 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 5: Uh. 685 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 6: You know, pat Riley runs like a military operation. Even 686 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 6: it's been hard for him the last couple of years. 687 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 6: Maybe it's just hard to win in a place like Miami, 688 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 6: you know. I mean it true because even in New 689 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 6: York City, none of those guys live in the city. 690 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 4: You know, you and I were at the super Bowl 691 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 4: in Miami. 692 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 6: You've probably been to a bunch. I do wonder if 693 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 6: that's a tough place to build, like a to build 694 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 6: a football team in twenty twenty five. 695 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 1: I mean, hey, hey, we thought Raiders would be you know, 696 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: common thought would be Raiders. Those guys live, you know, 697 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: out in Summerland, and they've had their own off the 698 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,479 Speaker 1: field issues as well. It does that city keeps calling 699 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: calls the wrong dudes, and those wrong dudes get in 700 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: there and crazy things, sad things sometimes just distractions can 701 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: in fact happen. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show on 702 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. John Mittlcoff is in fact our guest guest. Okay, 703 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: last one here. I am super super intrigued by the 704 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: Bengals with all this offensive weaponry, but they had such 705 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: a horrific defense last year. How does that work? 706 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 4: Listen? 707 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 6: I think sometimes you gotta be careful about making huge generalizations, 708 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 6: you know, in the springtime. But it was like, yeah, 709 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 6: their offensive players are back, their offensive sweet last year. 710 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 6: It's been a weird offseason, right, I mean their star 711 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 6: pass rusher is I mean very publicly gone back and 712 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 6: forth to the organization and then the guy was clearly 713 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 6: drafted to replace them, him and his ag dinner Like 714 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 6: what are you sending us the sign and left man 715 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 6: story minigam. So you know, the most important person on 716 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 6: any defense is the guy up front, and their two 717 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 6: in theory best players on their defensive line are It's 718 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 6: one thing to be like a little like TJ walk 719 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 6: like wants more money. This thing feels like there's some 720 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 6: like legit animosity for both guys. And I don't know, 721 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 6: I just you know, if it was Mike Tomlin or 722 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 6: hard Bob Brother, theyg everything be okay. But Zach Taylor 723 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 6: kind of fighting first job. It feels like like they 724 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 6: scored a lot of points last year and it didn't matter, 725 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 6: and I you know, they get out Golden who was 726 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 6: excellent at Notre Dame. But you know, I mean when 727 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,359 Speaker 6: you're a top colleges in basketball or football, you got 728 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 6: the best players yep, you know in the in the 729 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 6: pros everybody, Yeah, players, yeah, the ASCs and you're a 730 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 6: couple injuries away from your roster, you know, on a 731 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 6: side of the ball looking no different than a like 732 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 6: a four win team. And I say the same like 733 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 6: the Ravens, right. So Hell's a huge part. It's just 734 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 6: it's a difficult spot. My guess is, I don't know 735 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 6: if it goes great for the Bengals now Joe. I mean, 736 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 6: what's Joe Burrow gonna throw fifty touchdowns? He might have 737 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 6: to for them to win ten games. 738 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: That's Yeamanokoff and if Ail Analyst toast the three Now 739 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 1: podcasts and the Volume podcast How work John Gray stuff man, 740 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: love having you on. 741 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 6: Thanks do see you buddy. 742 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,240 Speaker 1: For over forty years, Thank you. 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