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Speaker 1: We welcome you into the Cross Country Mortgage campus here

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Speaker 1: in Maria. I'm Jason Gibbs alongside Andrew Gribble. Episode five

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Speaker 1: of the Best podcast Available, presented by cross Country Mortgage.

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Speaker 1: Gribbs combine in the books days until the two thousand

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Speaker 1: two NFL Draft, lots of speculation, we get into Pro Days,

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Speaker 1: free agencies coming. It is just one big avalanche of

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Speaker 1: NFL news and we haven't even gotten to the big

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Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, I mean it's a real quick shift

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Speaker 1: Like now we're we're kind of moving on too. Pro Days,

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Speaker 1: but everything else has taken precedent the It's it's now

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Speaker 1: the players who are in the in the NFL right

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Speaker 1: now who are making the headlines. And it'll be that

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Speaker 1: through kind of the the first wave of free agency. Yeah, indeed,

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Speaker 1: and we will preview free agency coming up and obviously

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Speaker 1: talk about some of the big moves that have happened

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Speaker 1: in the National Football League over the last forty eight hours.

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Speaker 1: First and foremost, though, Combine week here and gone. We've

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Speaker 1: survived it. Another year, another year of great eating in Indianapolis. Uh,

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Speaker 1: some tidbits, a little information gathering as well. Your big

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Speaker 1: takeaway from the NFL Combine. I mean maybe it was

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Speaker 1: showing out at higher levels than people expected. You had

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Speaker 1: the wide receivers, like seemingly every one of those guys

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Speaker 1: day that George's defensive players just dominated and have kind

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Speaker 1: the guy from Baylor the corner running the fast just

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Speaker 1: like it was like, like I said, like there's an

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Speaker 1: avalanche of like good news, whereas you didn't really have

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Speaker 1: anything outside of Kenny Pickett's hand size that was like

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Speaker 1: hearing that like the buzz of this guy tank this interview,

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Speaker 1: don't know if that's just a byproduct of how we're

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Speaker 1: guys are preparing for the combine better. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: just seemed like it was the feel good week of

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Speaker 1: something that we hadn't heard much of going into this

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Speaker 1: just seems like it's a as people have said, a

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Speaker 1: meeting potatoes draft where not a lot of superstars. But

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Speaker 1: now you're looking at it and some of these players,

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Speaker 1: it's looking like a better board. Where the where the

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Speaker 1: Brown sit at number thirteen? Yeah, again, the positions that

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Speaker 1: positions of yeah no, it's it was wide receivers for

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Speaker 1: the On that first day, all those guys looked outstanding.

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Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson, Christal Lovey runs the Great forty as well,

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Speaker 1: Traylon Burke's had a slower forty he's two and twenty

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Speaker 1: It just maybe it recalibrates people's expectations and maybe he's

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Speaker 1: He still could be the first wide receiver off the board.

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Speaker 1: But then really it was these defensive guys from Georgia

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Speaker 1: Jordan Davis, the defensive tackle, but these other two guys

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Speaker 1: at thirteen. All right, combine as we start to put

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Speaker 1: do you think these teams, including our own, are putting

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Speaker 1: that's why the combine is super important. It's just not

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Speaker 1: kind of helps the educational process going into the draft.

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Speaker 1: All Right, you mentioned Kenny Pickett's hands obviously not as big,

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Speaker 1: college football in one yet you know, we see on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: Todd mcsheae puts out his post combine mock draft and

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Speaker 1: the first quarterback off the board is at number eleven

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Speaker 1: to Washington and it's Kenny Pickett, so clearly willing to

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any clear favorite on who's going

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Speaker 1: that's good news for the Browns because you're not drafting,

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Speaker 1: You're not drafting a quarterback here, You're you're opening up

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Speaker 1: more opportunities to get a great position player. Yes, they

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Speaker 1: her thoughts on free agency and this draft class as

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Speaker 1: we get ready for the NFL Draft forty nine days away. Gribble,

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Speaker 1: it's a traditional like any other. Gribble asking us to

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Speaker 1: come up with our first mock draft one point. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I cursed him. I put it together as best we could.

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Speaker 1: Gribble wanted us to put together the top thirteen picks,

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Speaker 1: obviously the Browns picking at thirteen, and then you also

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Speaker 1: had instructions for the second round pick and the two

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Speaker 1: the end. Should be around a hundred ish. We'll see

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Speaker 1: where it falls, but it's that's why we don't have

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Speaker 1: project and you can read all of our mock drafts

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Speaker 1: Mine Andrew Gribbles, Nathan Szigura's Anthony post sells uh at

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns dot com. But we do want to go

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Speaker 1: through our picks for the Browns and Gribble. I'll start

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Speaker 1: with you, Uh, Garrett Wilson at number thirteen, I think

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Speaker 1: was torn between Garrett Wilson potentially Jermaine Johnson from Florida State,

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Speaker 1: But I still just went with with Gary Wilson with

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Speaker 1: something that could be a possibility, but I think it's

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Speaker 1: a need at wide receiver. Yeah. Uh, could the Jets

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Speaker 1: who even went you know, free agency, happy in spending

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Speaker 1: rookie wide receiver. I think that's totally in play. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I want to take wide receiver, I really do, and

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Speaker 1: ultimately I probably will. But as I put this together,

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Speaker 1: position that you guys need, And the way he was

431
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Speaker 1: able to articulate and thoughtfully extu like, you don't need

432
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,640
Speaker 1: this position. So I'm telling you you don't need this position.

433
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,920
Speaker 1: So when I asked him, it wasn't like I was

434
00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 1: just like, how can I be better at watching film

435
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,360
Speaker 1: on a confusing position that I don't understand as well?

436
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 1: And he was able to break and that reminded me

437
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 1: how communication is just the key to all of it, right,

438
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,119
Speaker 1: like being simple with it and the same thing with

439
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 1: your coach when we're you know, chatting with him about

440
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,919
Speaker 1: just overall philosophies. Simple, simple, simple, because that is the

441
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,920
Speaker 1: best way we all learn, every single one of us.

442
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,640
Speaker 1: It is impressive when Andrew Berry has put together from

443
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Speaker 1: a front office standpoint quacy now in Minnesota. I know,

444
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 1: I interviewed him yesterday. He's an unbelievable human. Glenn Cook,

445
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 1: in addition to being a great basketball player and golfer

446
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,919
Speaker 1: on the side, he was a baseball player too. You

447
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 1: know that, correct man? Yeah, yeah, he's done everything. We

448
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 1: love Glenn, but yeah, I mean Glenn was a finalist

449
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,399
Speaker 1: for that position as well. And uh, there's a lot

450
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 1: of great guys with a B and with Kevin the

451
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,160
Speaker 1: same thing. You're trotting back your entire coaching staff for

452
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 1: a third year and that can only help, I would

453
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Speaker 1: think from a big picture standp. Yeah, No, there's a

454
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Speaker 1: lot to be excited for like, you know, I kind

455
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 1: of I mean, I'm like technically like by birth alliance fan.

456
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,119
Speaker 1: I guess, so I have like a kindred spirit with

457
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 1: the Browns just we just kind of get each other,

458
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Speaker 1: you know. So I'm like, I want you guys to win.

459
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:46,920
Speaker 1: The Lions will never win win, So I need the

460
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Speaker 1: Browns to do that for me, because you know that's

461
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Speaker 1: how this works. You know what, though I'm a fan

462
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Speaker 1: of your coach, I think knee cat biten, I'm I mean,

463
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Speaker 1: as with you, as far as humans go, he's awesome. Yeah,

464
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if he's well, remains remains,

465
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 1: these will happen. But as far as humans go, he's

466
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 1: super kind and super The energy is real, the like

467
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,479
Speaker 1: the love of the game is real. Like what more

468
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 1: do you want? Like he's a football dude, all right.

469
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Speaker 1: From from an analytic stand but from a number standpoint,

470
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Speaker 1: what what kind of numbers do you go back and

471
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 1: look at when this is all put to bed, you know,

472
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Speaker 1: four days down and all of a sudden, now we're

473
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Speaker 1: going to get into pro days, free agencies coming and

474
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Speaker 1: all that. It's just gonna be a tidal wave of

475
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Speaker 1: things all the way up through the draft. But what

476
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Speaker 1: are you looking at after this, after this is come

477
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Speaker 1: and gone? To make sure no one's out of range,

478
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Speaker 1: because if you do something weird, like if you run

479
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Speaker 1: really slow, or sometimes if you run fast, diminishing returns

480
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Speaker 1: for speed though, like as long as you're in the ranges,

481
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Speaker 1: if you go above it, like John Ross, Okay, you know,

482
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Speaker 1: like there's diminishing returns at certain things, right, So going

483
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Speaker 1: to look at the rages to see did someone fall

484
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Speaker 1: out of range in a bad way? Maybe go back

485
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 1: to the film then to see did is something wrong

486
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Speaker 1: with my assessment? Did I not see this right? Or

487
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 1: maybe they're not keeping themselves and ask those questions after

488
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 1: and kind of plan my attack for smaller school guys

489
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Speaker 1: that I don't know as much about because I'm able

490
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Speaker 1: to easily get I use a lot of film and

491
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Speaker 1: I use computer vision on the film, and it's really

492
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Speaker 1: easy to get Power five guys. But the guys who

493
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: don't go to those schools, it's much more difficult to

494
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Speaker 1: get their film. To watch it and the amount of

495
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Speaker 1: it that I like to feel comfortable with. You want

496
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Speaker 1: more data is better, so that after this I'll be

497
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Speaker 1: looking to see some of the smaller school guys who impress.

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Speaker 1: All right, how many hours a week are you watching tape? Well,

499
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Speaker 1: last week because the compression of having like only one

500
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Speaker 1: week between the Super Bowl and now, like that was

501
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Speaker 1: a little aggressive, Like my eyes hurt from it. But

502
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Speaker 1: in a normal week, probly about thirty to forty because

503
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Speaker 1: I do it pretty consistently during the season too. Like

504
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Speaker 1: I I go back and I start, I watch a

505
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Speaker 1: little bit of college I get to be a fan

506
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Speaker 1: a little bit more, you know, during the actual college

507
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Speaker 1: football season. But we start bowl games, we start, you know,

508
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Speaker 1: and then during playoffs when there's fewer NFL games, and

509
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Speaker 1: then I'll really start going back on tape. So I

510
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Speaker 1: never really stopped. Butty, it's a lot. Okay, So from

511
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 1: a career standpoint, your your career continues to take off.

512
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: You didn't the Bill's sideline in the priests. Now, you

513
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: guys never invite me, you know that. I'm just saying

514
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: we didn't play you, Andrew Man. No, I'm saying they

515
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: invited me. I was allowed to do that with the

516
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Speaker 1: NFL network. Maybe Andrew would. I don't know. No one's

517
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Speaker 1: invited me. We'll have to see Kevin maybe, no pressure,

518
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: No pressure everybody that decisions that make more than I do. Um,

519
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: what about your experience with the Shrine Bowl? Yeah, I

520
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: loved the Shrine Ball. Well, if you're a big draft person,

521
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: then that really is an underrated game that the Shrines will. Okay,

522
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Speaker 1: So Senior Bowl they typically get more of the guys

523
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Speaker 1: you've heard of, right, Trinell you gotta grind some tape

524
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: for that, and you gotta grind some tape for that.

525
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Speaker 1: But and that's why I really loved it. And also

526
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: those guys were like incredibly receptive to They came and

527
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: asked amazing question, how can I be a better interviewee

528
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: Because some of the interview because they all do interviews

529
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Speaker 1: with the teams that they say, you want to like

530
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 1: look him in the eye, whatever, The question is just repeated,

531
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Speaker 1: but they're really asking the care you know. And these

532
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: are guys who are really truly loved the sport and

533
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: some of them are super fun. Like there's a you know,

534
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Speaker 1: the couple couple of guys really bonded with right, Like

535
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Speaker 1: I really like the tight end out of Virginia GEO

536
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Speaker 1: Lonnie Woods. I think he's going to be a great

537
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Speaker 1: addition to someone's team. He's huge and meaning you just

538
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Speaker 1: get a chance to learn, like who these people are

539
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: a little bit more than he transferred. You know, he

540
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: wasn't people don't His name doesn't roll off the tongue

541
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Speaker 1: like some of the other guys like Tree McBride, who

542
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: had like all of the catches. But this is gonna

543
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 1: be a good addition to someone's team. All right. On

544
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: that note and final question here, I'll let you go

545
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: appreciate the time today the wide receiver class, because everybody

546
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Speaker 1: in Cleveland wants to know what's going to happen, you

547
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: know you with it's leaning looking that way. It's early,

548
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: there's still two months, there's free agency a lot. It's

549
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: a loaded wide receiver class. It's a loaded edge rusher class,

550
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Speaker 1: and a lot of people would say that's probably the

551
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Speaker 1: two biggest needs for this fool ball team. How do

552
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 1: you see it early on? Here? Yeah, I think like

553
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: I think I mocked you, like Drake London, who I

554
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: really love. But I don't know if I might have

555
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: to refine that after some of the things that I'm

556
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: learning about, like what was asked of players? One of

557
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: the cool things that come on you get to ask

558
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: what was asked of them, because I can tell you

559
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: their resume that they didn't run the entire route tree

560
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 1: or that they But why was it because they couldn't

561
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: or because they weren't asked you? Because that's those are

562
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: two different, two separate things. Remember usc they had some

563
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: coaching things go on. It was a weird. So you're

564
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: learning just a ton in these opportunities. This is an

565
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: opportunity to learn, right, So I don't know. I'm it's definitely.

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Speaker 1: I think the wide receiver class, I think you can.

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Speaker 1: You can. It's gonna be six of one, half a

568
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Speaker 1: dozen of another. And I trust the staff to like

569
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Speaker 1: be like accurately value whichever one go up, go down

570
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Speaker 1: a little bit, get the right one, use that draft

571
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: equity to get the ones that you want, and then

572
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: take some flyers on the back end with some wide

573
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Speaker 1: receivers that are maybe not as well known or maybe

574
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Speaker 1: not as well understood, and see what happens. But I

575
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: think you're gonna get I think I'm, I think it's

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of faith in this. It's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Cynthia Freeland, NFL network analytics expert and NFL

578
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: Network analysts UH covering the league and covering this draft

579
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Speaker 1: getting ready for the twenty two NFL Draft between her

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Speaker 1: and Bucky Brooks last week on the Best Podcast Available,

581
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: a lot of good insight on this draft class. Yeah,

582
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Speaker 1: Parati stars for both CBD and Best Podcast Bill. I

583
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: think we did good with the booking this this year.

584
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Speaker 1: That was that was that was that was all you

585
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Speaker 1: solid A solid week, done by done by everybody. So, uh,

586
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: some good stuff from her. And again we're forty nine

587
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: days out from the NFL Draft. More importantly right now, though,

588
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: we turn our attention to the guys already in the league.

589
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: As Gribble mentioned earlier, it is free agency, and free

590
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: agency is quickly approaching here. And the Browns really kick

591
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: things off this week in what has been a crazy

592
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 1: week around the league. The Browns with the first move

593
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: franchising tight end David Njoku. Yeah, and it's first, for

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Speaker 1: historical perspective, the first time the Browns have used the

595
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: franchise tag not on a kicker. It's this is this

596
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 1: is signs. I mean, this is when you you're this

597
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: is this is progress. And I think that this is

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00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: it made a lot of sense, uh, with kind of

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00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: the indication that this is just kind of maybe the

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Speaker 1: start of something with David Najoku, but it locks him

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Speaker 1: in for what will be his sixth season with the Browns,

602
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: and I think he had moments last year that really

603
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 1: showed growth both on the field off the field, and

604
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: just kind of the potential that maybe could be realized

605
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: in this offense. Still just twenty five years old. I mean,

606
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: we talked about a draft prospect that's twenty four that

607
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: that was being linked to the Browns. So that it

608
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: just shows how how much more football Dave Najoku has

609
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: left to play. And I think that there's ways to

610
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: even get him even more involved in the passing game.

611
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: You saw what he could do on the longest catch

612
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: by any NFL type end this year against the Chargers.

613
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: A good weapon to have back on this offense. I

614
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: definitely don't think that this was a team that was

615
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: getting better by letting David a joke about the building.

616
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: So a good first step. Yeah, it was clearly a

617
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: priority for this football team since the season ended. You

618
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: know what was to bring him back and bring find

619
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Speaker 1: a way to bring him back. And uh, you said

620
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: something earlier about tight ends and they're not being a

621
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Speaker 1: lot of them around. I mean look, how many teams

622
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: franchise tag to tight end. Yeah here this week, Yeah

623
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: it was. It was kind of a lower number, so

624
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: it wasn't one of those kind of some of these

625
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: positions can kind of get out of hand with with

626
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: the number on the franchise tag. But more importantly, I

627
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: mean you look at like the one that was kind

628
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: of jarring, happened before French tags. But like I got

629
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: like Ian Thomas with the Carolina Panthers, not a headliner name,

630
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: not a guy you probably have on any your fantasy teams,

631
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: but signs a pretty big deal. And and it's just

632
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: showing that it's just a tough position. I mean, it's

633
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: why guys like when when when a team like when

634
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: when the Browns let go of Darren Fells, you saw

635
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,719
Speaker 1: him land within our team right away. You saw him

636
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: play for multiple years after that. I mean, if you

637
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: can play that position, you you you can play in

638
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: the league for ten plus years at least. I just

639
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: think it's it's just a supply issue right now in

640
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: the league. I don't know if it's gonna get fixed

641
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: anytime soon, but the guys that can play it at

642
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: the position, I mean, look at Jason went and went

643
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: in the booth and then came back and contributed. It's

644
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: just something that teams need a lot of their incorporating

645
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: this personnel more whereas you don't see it at the

646
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: college level as much. So that's why these guys are

647
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: harder to find and and and it's just kind of

648
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: added up to it's not quite quarterbacks, and it's not

649
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: quite some of the our pass rashers and our positions,

650
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: but teams are looking for these guys and then they're

651
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: hard to find well. And again this this could just

652
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: be a placeholder for for a bigger extension. We've seen

653
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: some teams franchise players that basically are working toward a

654
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: bigger deal and just ran out of time. They don't

655
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: want to let the guy walk in free agency or

656
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: even explore other options, so free or franchise him. And

657
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: that gives you a little more time they have to

658
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: I think mid July. Yeah, you've got some time to

659
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Speaker 1: get it worked out. Obviously, you want to get it

660
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: done sooner or later if that's what both sides are

661
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: looking to get out of this. So we'll see. But uh,

662
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: David and joke, a guy that has expressed his desire

663
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: to to stay here, want to be a part of

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Speaker 1: what the Browns are building, and and he'll be here

665
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: for at least one more year and and hopefully many more.

666
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: All Right, as we turn our attention to free agency,

667
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: the timeline for the next week and what the legal

668
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: tampering as we like to call it, and then the

669
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: official start of the new year, when can legal tampering

670
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: officially begin? Begins Monday at noon. So well, well, but

671
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: you're already starting to see the activity. This is like

672
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: kind of the the NFL is almost like de facto

673
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: like trade deadline type week, like how other sports have

674
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: like a lot of activity on the trade deadline. Seems

675
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of activity this time year. We

676
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: already saw that the blockbuster deal with Russell Wilson and

677
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: the Broncos saw the news about Aaron Rodgers extension, which

678
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: kind of shakes things up or does the opposite of

679
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: keeps things the way they were. But this is where

680
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: you can have a lot of activity, but really teams

681
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: cannot announce anything until Wednesday at four o'clock at the

682
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: absolute earlist for some of these deals, So you can

683
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: put out the cryptic tweets from the team accounts, but

684
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: you can't do much more than than that until the

685
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: media can can speculate, the media can announce things unofficially. Officially,

686
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: we can announce things at four o'clock next Wednesday. That's

687
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: how that looks. You mentioned it, I mean Aaron Rodgers.

688
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: I think when we left the combine last week there

689
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: was a sense of much ado about nothing. I think

690
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: we really thought that everybody was gonna stay put. From

691
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: a quarterback standpoint, it really it appeared Aaron was Aaron

692
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: Rodgers was gonna stay with Green Bay. It sounded like

693
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson was going to stay with the Seattle Seahawks,

694
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: and then you were going to turn your attention to

695
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,479
Speaker 1: that next tier of quarterbacks. Well, Aaron does resign with

696
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: the Packers, and I think they're still working out the

697
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: details on that contract, but Rogers himself has tweeted he'll

698
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: be back with Green Bay next year. Then, out of nowhere,

699
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: two hours later, a blockbuster deal Denver trading for Russell Wilson,

700
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: giving up three players, giving up five picks, a total

701
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: of five. They got one back. Yeah, they got one back.

702
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: So but they get Russell Wilson. They get the quarterback

703
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: that they have desperately needed since Peyton Manning retired from

704
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: the football team and uh for Seattle. Then they go

705
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: and and they cut ties with eight time All Pro

706
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner later in the day. So two guys that

707
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: were drafted on the same day that helped lead Seattle

708
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: to their first ever Super Bowl no longer with the team.

709
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: Seattle doesn't have any players left from that Super Bowl

710
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: team And wondering now what the Seahawks do at pick

711
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: number nine in front of us, Well, I mean, they

712
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: they're a team that could go with the quarterback. They're

713
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: a team that now is being tossed into the Deshaun

714
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: Watson conversation, So that would be the you go the

715
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: Watson route. That's a quicker turnaround on whether you're competing

716
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: or not, especially in the NFC now, which is just

717
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: depleted of of elite quarterbacks. I mean, you've got Aaron

718
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: Rodgers and a and a couple others, but that's that's

719
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: really about it. And I think the thing that I

720
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: agree with you, I think I came away from the

721
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: combine thinking the only two quarterbacks that we're gonna move

722
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: this offseason, where Deshaun Watson and Jimmy Garoppolo and even

723
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo I was on the fence with. I was like,

724
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: I was thinking to myself, if they can work out

725
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: something with Jimmy to the fourth, especially when we're seeing

726
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: what what it might cost to acquire them, which doesn't

727
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: seem like much. I was like, the foreigner is getting

728
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 1: better by moving on from him? Or can they buy

729
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: another year of him at that position and to let

730
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: Trey Lance continue develop. So I came away thinking it

731
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: was going to be even more conservative. But obviously this

732
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson thing shakes things up, and it truly reaffirms

733
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: the fact. Do not believe much of what is said

734
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: at the combine because there was the whole notion of trading.

735
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson was soundly rejected by by folks on the Seahawks.

736
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: And then I don't know where this comes to be.

737
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting. I think it's Denver gets better, obviously,

738
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 1: I don't know how much better in Seattle for their

739
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: the return on their hall. It gets them back to

740
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: square one with their draft picks. It doesn't put them

741
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: in a situation like the Eagles or the Giants or

742
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: Jets where they have multiple picks. This gets back the

743
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: Seahawks back to a normal amount of draft picks because

744
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: they parted with so many in what is now turned

745
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: into a pretty not great trade for Jamal Adams. I mean,

746
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: so that this this doesn't kind of set the table

747
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: for Seattle in the way that some of these other

748
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 1: blockbuster deals have for these other teams. Yeah, I definitely Seattle,

749
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: you're back to square one. You still have some offensive pieces. Now.

750
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: We don't know what's gonna happen with Lockett, We don't

751
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen when he gave Medcalf. Still a

752
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: lot to watch and and see how things unfold up

753
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: in Seattle. Meanwhile, it's business as usual for Green Bay.

754
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: They're busy creating more cap room because obviously they franchised

755
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: Davante Adams Tampa Bay franchise and Godwin Mike Williams in

756
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: l A with the Chargers gets an extension. They were

757
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: going to franchise him. Ultimately he ends up signing his extension.

758
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about the impact of the quarterbacks,

759
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: but the top three wide receivers in free agency are

760
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: off the board. Yeah, and I don't know if it's

761
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: much of an impact when it comes to other teams

762
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: in the U because I don't think most teams probably

763
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: never anticipated these guys ever hitting the market, even Mike Williams,

764
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: because I think that you look around the league and

765
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: I think historically, if you're a really good wide receiver

766
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: that your your team drafted, you typically make it to

767
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: the second contract. It's not like running back, whereas you're

768
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: still getting some great value by extending those guys. Most

769
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: teams hold onto their top wide receivers for at least

770
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: a second deal before letting them go. And I think

771
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: Mike Williams has been up and down as Dell as

772
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: of injuries, but I think you've got justin Herbert, You've

773
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: got a ton of cap space. There's no reason not

774
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: to bring him back. And with Adams, Honestly, I was

775
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: most surprised with Godwin because I'm just looking at the

776
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 1: Bucks without a quarterback, potentially having Blaine gathered as their starter.

777
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: Why not do what Seattle is doing right now and

778
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: kind of go down or or at least extended, get

779
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: the extension in the works with which they may be doing,

780
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: because he could be the future there. But it just

781
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: seems it just it seemed like more of a and

782
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: more it seemed more like a win now move when

783
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,959
Speaker 1: they're not set up to to win now without Tom Brady. Yeah,

784
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 1: fly think that Tampa Bay is someone that bears watching

785
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: in everything. Obviously, this Deshaun Watson situation, Uh, sounds like

786
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: it could come to ahead here. We we should know

787
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: a little bit more maybe going into the weekend, and

788
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: that's gonna play a role I think in free agency. Um,

789
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: but you know, from a wide receiver standpoint and from

790
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: a quarterback standpoint, the top guys are where they're going

791
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 1: to be. And now you take a look big picture

792
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: at at those positions and you know there's definitely a

793
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: step down. Yeah, it's it's not that, it just it

794
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: is what it is from a talent standpoint. So what

795
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: do you think the Browns could address in free agency? Like,

796
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: are what positions are strongest in free agency? Maybe? I

797
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: still think there's a lot of good depth at both

798
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: defensive tackle wide receiver to help you out maybe, And

799
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: I don't it's maybe not enough to change your draft

800
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: strategy type of depth, but I think you can get

801
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 1: some pieces in play. Whereas that's what the Browns have done,

802
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: where you set yourself up in the draft to really

803
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: go after the best player you want, instead of kind

804
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: of pigeonholing yourself and having to take a certain player.

805
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: I think I look at guys like maybe the Falcons

806
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: want to bring them back more now, but like a

807
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: guy like a Russell Gauge or someone like that that

808
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: may not be your number one guy but can come

809
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: in and start for you and help you out. I

810
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: think there's defensive tackles all the way down to a

811
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: guy that's familiar with here, like Larry Ogan. Jobs on

812
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: the market. There's there's a lot of guys like that

813
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: that can come in. Maybe not going to generate the

814
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: biggest headlines, but that's not what free agencies should be

815
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: about for you. If you're looking at the kind of

816
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: long term success, it's it's there to fill some spots,

817
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: some some holes and and help you out in the

818
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 1: short term. And I think there's enough guys that those

819
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: kind of positions that can that can help you out

820
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: and kind of make you feel better about the depth

821
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: across this roster than you do right now. When you're

822
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: looking at and seeing only two defensive tackles a couple

823
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: of wide receivers, you'll you'll it'll look a little different

824
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: here and the bolster that offensive line a little bit, right,

825
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: know that this could be the spot where you do that.

826
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 1: And uh, you know a linebacker. You know that there's

827
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: some This team defensively has lost a few players, so

828
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: I mean, even getting some depth at the edge rusher position.

829
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's not a start, but maybe it's a

830
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: solid rotation guy. Uh, definitely someone in play. Salary cap wise,

831
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: it's not the Browns were in a different position than

832
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: in past years. They don't have the most money to

833
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: spend now, don't it the most, but definitely don't have

834
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: the least. It's kind of right in the middle. And

835
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 1: I think with some guys on on the roster at most,

836
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: notably pined Denzel Award, you're probably in the works of

837
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: hopefully bringing back for for long term. So you had

838
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: to budget that money and spend smartly. But like you

839
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: mentioned linebacker, last two years, you've you've gone and gotten

840
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: your starting linebacker for that year in free agency, starting

841
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: a mic linebacker. I mean, so again, Anthony Walker's get

842
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: set to hit free agency. Do you do you bring

843
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: him back? Do you go after someone else? I mean

844
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: that's a position that all of a sudden kind of

845
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: comes to the forefront as well, unless you're you're going

846
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: forward to Jacob Phillips at Mike, which is a big possibility,

847
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: but you still would want to add some kind of

848
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: veteran depth there as well. A lot to be decided,

849
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: a lot to be determined. We will be back with

850
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 1: you next week for our free agency special will also

851
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: break in uh we you know as breaking news warrants.

852
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