WEBVTT - Unveiling Hope 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:03.640 I've heard that there's a house that has some bodies 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:04.240 in the basement. 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.440 Somebody told you that Shakaia was a victim of human trafficking. 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:10.119 I'm come to find out. This is like it exploded 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:12.120 into this huge thing. 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:14.560 I knew, I just knew something was wrong. 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:17.320 Police say thirty three year old Jared Bride Again was 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:17.919 shot dead. 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:20.280 I kept calling his phone during the drive. 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:22.800 Gunned down in front of his two year old daughter. 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.160 It's a murder of the stun Jack Speach neighbors. 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:28.880 His murder has attracted national attention, with the investigators saying 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:29.760 he was targeted. 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.320 Eventually a police officer answered and told me to come 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:33.320 to the police station. 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:37.760 Justice is something that takes different shapes or forms. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:43.280 If you know something, heard something, please it's never too 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:43.760 late to. 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:44.400 Do the right thing. 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:48.080 So I'm Dana Thompson aka Body Movin, and. 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:51.519 I'm John Green. For about a decade, Deanna and I 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.400 spent a lot of time on the Internet, especially in 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:57.480 the underbelly of the Internet, trying to identify and get 0:00:57.520 --> 0:00:59.120 animal abusers arrested. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:05.560 We spent countless hours scouring the dark web helping catch predators. 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:07.600 We spent over a year and a half trying to 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.360 get law enforcement to take us seriously about a man 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:12.880 that was killing cats online and he was threatening to 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:15.640 move on to kill humans. And that was Luca mcnatta. 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:18.520 Yeah, you might have heard about the Netflix special called 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:19.600 Don't Fuck with Cats. 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:24.320 That's us. Well, now we're turning our online investigator skills 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:28.520 to some of the most unexplained, unsolved, and just ignored cases. 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:35.120 This is True Crimes, the production of iHeartRadio and Kat's Studios. 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.080 So last time we spoke to Shikaia's momb tamera, she 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:41.680 had been planning a trip to go down to Arizona 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:44.560 to meet with a sketch artist who was going to 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:46.560 create an update to look on what Chakaya could look like. 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:49.320 And John, we got pretty excited about that because you know, 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:53.160 missing person posters are super important when you're trying to 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:55.520 find somebody who's missing, right, correct. 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:58.880 These updated photos could serve as an invaluable tool because 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:00.960 we tend to think of the miss person as we've 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:04.120 last seen them, which they may not look like that today. 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.800 So her parents over the last four years could have changed. 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:09.800 Right, And you know, Shakai has been kind of living 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:14.080 a hard life, possibly so the environment, the elements they 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:17.080 can aid you in different ways, so we were pretty 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.480 excited about the chance of possibly getting an updated photo 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:24.440 of Chicaya. However, since we last spoke to Tamra, her 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.799 trip has gotten canceled. So John, we were thinking it 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:30.520 might be interesting if we could do our own sketch 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:32.720 for Shakaya's family so that we could do some new 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:35.560 missing person posters, so we reached out to Michael W. 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:36.000 Streed. 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:39.920 Michael is the CEO, president, and co founder of SketchCop Solutions. 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:44.520 He is also a retired police investigator, a certified forensic artist, 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:48.000 and there's one of the world's most experienced forensic facial 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:50.440 imaging and identification consultants. 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.960 His facial composite software app, SketchCop, is used by law 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:57.079 enforcement agencies around the world. We ended up finding him 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.640 on his website SketchCop dot com. 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.760 Hello, how are you doing Indiana? 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:04.120 I'm wonderful are you? 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:05.399 I'm doing great? 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.079 And you're with SketchCop right, That is my company. 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.160 I've been a police officer for over thirty years, retired 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:15.560 as a police sergeant. During my career, I developed sketching 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.000 skills and started working on a lot of different cases 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:21.040 throughout Orange County, LA County, and so when I ended 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.120 my career, I decided to start a consulting business to 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:28.280 provide investigative assistance to agencies that needed some sort of 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:33.360 friendsic facial imaging, whether it be composite sketches, eye withness, interviews, 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:38.760 a skull reconstruction from unidentified remains most recent over the 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.200 last couple of years, gotten into one to one facial 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:45.520 comparison and analysis. And my latest skill set is actually 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:49.840 cranio facial overlays and skull face overlays where you have 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:54.760 device as AI supported software that can take a three 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:57.640 D skull and lay over a two D photograph and 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:00.760 align it properly and do an analysis a scope along 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:01.480 staff person. 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:02.400 Wow. 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:06.200 So anything anything with facial identification. And I forgot the 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.440 failing age progression that the I do a lot of 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:12.760 age progression missing persons, people who passed away, you know, 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:15.120 early in life. Their loved ones want to see what 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:18.120 could have been. So I always tell people it's a 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.640 boutique agency that pretty much does. 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:24.040 Anything involving the face and facial illustration and facial identification. 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.279 I've been doing it like this for over forty years 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:29.600 now and I've worked on cases that no one's ever 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.679 heard of. I've worked on cases that made news around 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.800 the world, you know, anywhere from children abducted off the 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:39.960 street and raped and murdered and the suspects have been arrested, 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:43.120 you know, serial killers, zero robbers, zero rapists. I mean 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:47.039 so and I've worked in you know, for small agencies. 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.880 I'm under contract to LAPD how to provide sketch services 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:53.279 for them, as well as the Baltimore Police Department as well. 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:55.800 First of all, there's not a lot of people who 0:04:55.880 --> 0:05:00.520 specialize in doing age progression images. I was actually fortunate 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.239 enough to be trained by the National Center for Missing 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:06.200 Exploded Children by the artists back in the nineties who 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:10.040 pioneered the technique. And so, whereas a lot of people, 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:12.800 a lot of artists who do the work, they actually 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.599 do a sketch based upon a photograph of the person. 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:19.120 I actually use the photograph of the person and create 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:21.760 a photographic looking end image. 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.359 One thing I wanted to ask you, do people like 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:27.679 hire you privately to do this kind of thing normally 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.240 or is it normally law enforcement that reaches out to you. 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:31.120 No, it's it's both. 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:36.800 Actually, so we've been working on a missing person's case, 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:39.720 and she's been missing for four years. 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.280 You know, four years isn't going to be a lot 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:45.960 of time and terms pright of aging an adult. However, 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:51.000 if you know people who go missing, whether voluntary or involuntarily, 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:55.080 it's going to take its toll. Unhealthy lifestyle and unhealthy diet, 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:58.240 things like that. So there may be some structural changes 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:01.719 in the face and maybe a more weathered appearance in 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:03.600 terms of you know, people who aren't taking care of 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:07.680 their hygiene necessarily, so a photograph of her could be 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:11.160 updated to reflect that more so than any. 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:11.799 Type of aging. 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:13.800 The cool thing is, and the. 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:17.520 Good thing about these things the image updates age progressions 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.320 is it gets that face in front of the media 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:24.040 and gets in front of people, It generates information. 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:27.160 It becomes a focal point. Basically, it's a reason to 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.800 go out to the media is because of a reason 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:33.160 to get someone interested in the case like this, because 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:36.560 facts are nothing more than words. Now you've got an 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:39.960 image to go with that. I'd like to have as 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:44.120 close a photograph to taken to the time that they disappeared, 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:45.400 and of course, you know, the. 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:50.520 Best quality possible. Any known health issues, any known drugger 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:51.800 or alcohol abuse issues. 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:54.279 As much information I have as possible, as good a 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.760 photographs as possible, then get to work. 0:06:58.279 --> 0:06:59.960 I would love to make a new poster for her, 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:01.560 you know what I mean, like be able to make 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:04.080 a new poster to give to these organizations that are 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.680 sharing for information, include a photo with you know, your 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:08.440 information and stuff. 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:09.240 That would be amazing. 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:11.480 Anything we could do to move this along. 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:13.680 We'd be happy to do right now. For example, you know, 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.480 human traffic is a big thing. But again you know 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:20.440 with the FEDS especially, but with local police departments, you know, 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:22.720 they're having trouble holding onto people. They're having trouble with 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:24.760 recruiting people. So a lot of things that were important 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:28.680 before aren't so much important now. For example, nowadays, they're 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.120 probably going to take a missing person's report, They're going 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:33.280 to put it in the computer, so it's an NCIC. 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:36.960 So if somebody happens upon this person on the street, 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:40.320 you know, they get a report someone panhandling, they get 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:44.280 to report someone acting suspiciously, you know, a beat officers 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:45.920 in to contact them and they may find in their 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:50.280 missing person and oftentimes unless there's some sort of reason 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.160 to take them into some sort of protective custody. They're 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.320 just going to verify they're okay, they're going to clear 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.840 amount of the system of the person's going to go 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:01.280 on about their life because there's no there's no mandate 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:03.440 for the officers to return an adults or their family 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:07.880 supported missing missing kids is much different, so you don't 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.120 get a lot of follow up. And and you know, Johnny, 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:12.000 you're saying earlier that you you know, you guys are 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:15.080 having difficultly wrapping your head around the fact that she 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:18.960 hasn't been contacted by the police in four years. And trafficking. 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:23.760 The trafficking organizations are very sophisticated and oftentimes they secure 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:28.120 these people in homes, they lock them down, they're virtually 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:32.120 in jail. Basically, they're always escorted by somebody typically is 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.080 going to make sure that they don't make contact or 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.360 ask for help and such. And they may be being 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.800 trapped in remote areas where there's very few law enforcement 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:42.840 and or big cities that are that are so big 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.600 and so busy with homicides and other crimes they don't 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:47.960 have time to pay attention to it. So it's not 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:51.760 surprising to me, based upon my experience, that she hasn't 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:55.280 been contact at this point. But podcasts like what you 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.560 guys are doing and immediate type of attention that you 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.880 guys are giving to this case. And again, like I 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:04.559 talked about earlier, doing a fresh, updated image, it gives 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:07.680 the public, It gives the media something to look at, 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:11.280 something to see, something visual, and now there's a reason 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.600 to tell her story, there's a reason to get eyes 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:16.600 back on, there's a reason to bring it around. You know, 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:20.040 sometimes it takes a fresh set of eyes, and people 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:23.000 like yourself, they're really enthusiastic about it because I think 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:27.280 sometimes again and when law enforcement gets overwhelmed, they're almost 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.320 in a trios situation. And in some cases, you know, 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:33.160 it's sad to say, you know, most professions where there's 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:34.920 a lot of high trauma, they see a lot of 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:38.160 things where there's doctors, emergency or in personnelity, costs, fronment. 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:42.040 We become jaded after a while, and it kind of affects, 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:45.800 you know, how the enthusiasm which we approach certain types 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:49.200 of investigations and cases. And again, you know, I think 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:50.880 if you talk to anybody in the media that's going 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.160 to be honest about it when they talk about missing 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:57.240 persons cases and why indigenous people and marginalized communities and 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:00.960 such don't get the attention that people feel they deserve. 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:04.840 It's because a lot of cases, unfortunately, maybe the facts 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.840 aren't as riveting and or would not get the ratings 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:10.679 as some other really oddball murder. I mean, look at 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:12.599 the success you guys had with the don't mess with 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:18.040 caps catch You title compelling material. But at the same time, 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.280 if it wasn't for you guys, nobody would have really 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:22.959 paid attends to really cared. So, you know, kudos to 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:24.600 you guys, and hopefully you guys will have the kind 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:25.720 of success you enjoyed. 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:28.960 The previous case on this one without without a murder happening. 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:31.400 With the ideal, without a murder happening, it would be ideal. 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:34.000 And anytime you can avoid a murder, it's always. 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:34.480 Feel trust me. 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:36.439 I mean, I'm not trying to joke about it, but yeah, 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:39.319 without a murder, having the idea, No, you're right, it's 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:43.440 the circumstances surrounding a lot of these missing murdered Indigenous people. 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:45.800 Are just sad circumstances. 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:46.120 It is. 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:51.000 They're not necessarily quote unquote entertainment, right, It's just sad. 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:57.760 When I talked to Shakai's mom. I can't help but 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:01.240 be reminded of my own mother. I was born in Detroit, 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:04.360 and I lived in Detroit till I was about eleven 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:08.520 years old. And then when I was eleven, my family, 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.559 my mom and my brother and I moved to southern California. 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:15.000 And I lived in Southern California till I was about 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:18.079 twenty two, and then I moved to Las Vegas. So 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.200 I grew up with like a really like wide range 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:24.000 of cultures, right Like I grew up on the Midwest, 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.359 and then I grew up on the you know, southern California, 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:28.400 and then I went, you know, straight to Vegas. So 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.680 I kind of have a Hodgepodge in my background. Where 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:35.440 I moved to in southern California was like a beach town, 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.559 so it was one hundred percent culture shock. You know. 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:42.080 I had never seen the ocean and big, huge waves 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.160 and you know, in the eighties it was like totally 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:48.640 tubular and like that was all totally new for me. 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:49.960 And then Vegas. 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:52.160 Did you go there for work or what brought you to. 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:56.520 That's a hard story to tell. My mom moved to 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.320 Las Vegas with my little brother when I was eighteen, 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:03.440 and I tried to stay in California as long as 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.719 I could. But you know, I was young, trying to 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:09.720 put my way through college and working and then getting 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.240 laid off and working and going to school, and it 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.640 was just so hard to do by myself in a 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:19.839 really really like cost prohibitive area of the country. And 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.559 so I just I kind of wanted. Something happened, and 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:24.560 we can get into it. It kind of goes into 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:27.520 some other things about me, but something happened, and I 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:29.599 just I really wanted my mommy. And I know that 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:33.480 sounds crazy, but my mom and I were Excuse me, 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:38.840 my mom and I were like super close. I missed 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:46.880 my mom. Hold on, I'm totally okay. So in twenty 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:52.000 twenty seventeen, my mom was diagnosed to it colon cancer, 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.559 and it got to the point where she couldn't take 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:57.839 care of herself anymore, and she moved in with me, 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:01.079 and I ended up, you know, well, of course I 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.600 have to work, you know, working and taking being her caregiver, 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:06.480 and like during my whole filming of Don't f with 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:09.600 Cats and you know everything, I was in the middle 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.800 of being this caregiver for my mom, and that was 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.520 in twenty eighteen. It came out in twenty nineteen, and 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:17.800 she died shortly after. She died right at the beginning 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:20.720 of COVID. She didn't die from COVID, she died from cancer. 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:23.640 But yeah, no, she passed. It's okay, I mean we 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:25.320 were like incredibly close. 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:26.200 So that was hard. 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.400 I totally lost myself and her illness, you know, like 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:33.200 I gained a bunch of weight. I didn't care about 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.120 like what I looked like. I mean, I was just 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:38.199 so busy with her care. You know, I didn't have 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:41.720 a social life. I lost, you know, my fiance at 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:43.880 the time left because it was just too much. Like 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.760 her care was so hard and I would do it 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.520 again in a heartbeat. I'm not complaining, like I would 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:51.640 do it a hundred times over, but it was just 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:54.120 so hard. And then all of a sudden, she's gone, 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:56.640 and it was like, okay, now what you know, Like shit, 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.280 I because I had lost myself in her so I 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.280 totally like kind of figure out who I was again. 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:04.920 And I'm just now two years later getting to that 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:06.880 point where I'm like, okay, now I remember who I 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.480 was and talking with Tamara a lot of the times 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.360 I think about my mom. And obviously my mom did 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.480 not have a missing daughter. I mean that, you know, 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.080 never happened. But my mom had a super hard life, 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:20.640 like a super fucking hard life. I feel like that 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:24.320 she experienced the same kind of hardships, and so I 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.640 have a lot of empathy for her, and I feel 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:31.560 like this really like parasocial relationship with her, Like I 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:34.080 feel close to her for some reason. And it might 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:37.040 be because I'm you know, missing my mom. I don't know, 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:41.920 but yeah, I definitely have a lot of empathy for her, 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:42.840 a lot. 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.080 A couple days later, we got the photos of Shakaia. 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.640 In this first photo, Shakya looks innocently at the camera, 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.800 her hand pushing her long brown hair behind her ear. 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:56.880 And in the other photo she's grinning at the camera. 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.840 But I have to say she looks absolutely beautiful in 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.520 both photos, Like can't I can't convey to the audience 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.640 how beautiful she is. The producers at Katie Studios are 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.760 going to share this on their Instagram at Kati Underscore Studios. 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:15.880 Get even. 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:19.400 It's Mike, Hi, Mike, It's Diana, Hey Deanna, how are you? 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:20.920 I'm awesome, how are you? 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:23.920 Well? You know, it's hard to beat, but I'm doing 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:24.480 pretty well. 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.360 I have the photos from the family. Is it okay 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:28.960 if I send them to you? 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:29.200 Now? 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:30.040 Sure? 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.440 All right, Michael, I have your email. I saved it 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:40.280 last time we talked. Chicaia bluehearting is the subject? All right, 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:44.000 I'm gonna send them, right Neil, all right, cool, I 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:44.400 sent them. 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:46.520 A matter of fact, your email just came through. Let 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:50.400 me take a look at these, all right, cool, I'm looking. 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:52.520 At both pictures here. Let me open up this other one. 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:54.480 I'm looking to see what image size they are. 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:58.000 The very first one where she's in a white top, 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.320 it's almost a full face picture. That's like four inch 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:03.760 by four inch, which that's not too bad a size, 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:05.600 and a lot of the graininess. 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:07.880 It's not as grainy as when you were describing. 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:09.680 I thought it was gonna be like horrible. It's not 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:12.600 bad at all, Ash, I'll probably give yeah. And as 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:16.000 a matter of fact, this other one is going to 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.280 be okay. This one's thirteen by seventeen, so this is 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.480 all right. This is this is a bigger file. So 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:25.080 probably what I'm going to do. First of all, you know, 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:25.440 if she. 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:29.720 Has this youthful look, she's probably not going to like, 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:31.840 you know, how long she's been missing. Nowt four years. 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.360 She's been missing four years, and she will be So 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:38.240 she went missing when she was nineteen, so she'd be 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:38.800 twenty three. 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:40.840 Now I'll have to turn these photos. 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.400 I'll rotate them and crop them and get them all 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.680 lined up and such, and get that Facebook back together, 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.000 because I only have like I've got on the one 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:50.880 I've got I'm missing just the top of the head 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:52.600 just a little bit, and then the other one I've 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:54.560 got the full face, but I really I kind of 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:56.760 want to put her smile on that on the on 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:58.800 the one where she's got the white, put the middle 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:00.840 of her face in that because there's more of her 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:02.640 hair in fullness and such. 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:04.560 I'll look and see. The other thing is. 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:09.760 Does mom have any pictures of herself at twenty two? 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:13.120 I can ask there's a couple of reasons why is it. One, 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:17.120 if she resembles either one of the parents a lot. 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:20.680 I can skew that towards if I have pictures of 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.560 the parents at twenty two, then kind of put her 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.600 in the aging it's one thing, and then kind of 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.440 giving it that lifestyle look in terms of if I 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:31.439 have to you know, holler her cheeks out a little bit, 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:33.560 or make her eyes look a little more tired and 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.359 stuff because of the lifestyle she's probably living. 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.480 And she's got like a really unique like nose and 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:42.160 cheap cheeks and stuff. I think. And I mean, she's 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.440 just a beautiful, beautiful girl, and she has got really 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:49.160 long black hair. But there have been there was one 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.919 sighting of her about a year after she went missing 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:54.560 that set her hair. She was wearing her hair short. 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:58.320 That they didn't say, but I did read though that 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.000 victims of human traffic often have their identity stripped from them. 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.280 And one of the ways that you that you strip 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.560 the identity from a woman as you cut their hair. Right, 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:10.320 So I don't know, like today, obviously I have no 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:13.000 idea what her hair looks like, but it might be 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.200 shorter than this, you know, long black hair that she 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:15.920 usually wears. 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:21.080 Well, that's the cool thing about digital is that I 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:24.040 can actually, once I work on the face, I can 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.119 give her a couple of three different hairstyles. 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:29.080 Oh that'd be great, Yeah, you can. 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:31.720 You can give there's a you know, you could take 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:33.840 the chopped off hair, maybe the hair pulled back, the 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:38.200 ponytail and or maybe just it long but maybe not 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:38.800 so fine. 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.240 Maybe it'll frizzy, a little rough looking, maybe something like that. 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:43.520 Oh, that would be wonderful. That way they can use, 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:45.399 you know, several different ones that they're like, this is 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:48.400 a possibility, this is a possibility. This that would be fabulous. 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:49.280 Mom would really love that. 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:51.520 I don't believe in doing too many because I think 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:54.439 what happens is is people take it literally and they 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.120 think that they think they're looking for ten different people. 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:59.560 But I think you know, if you have a couple 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.440 different choices for them to look at, you know, again 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:07.200 your relative to this sighting, the possible sighting, her hair 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:10.560 was significantly shorter. You can do that and maybe something 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:13.760 pulled back, because again you want people looking at the face, 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:17.840 and that the short hair and the hair pulled back, 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.560 it forces people to focus on the face because she's 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.120 not likely to have some big bluffont and some big 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:26.879 giant hair dude like eighties hair, you know where you 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:28.920 just all you look at is damn that hair. Look 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:29.360 at that hair. 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:31.280 I mean, I'd love to have hair like that versus 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:32.080