Speaker 1: I've heard that there's a house that has some bodies
Speaker 1: in the basement.
Speaker 2: Somebody told you that Shakaia was a victim of human trafficking.
Speaker 1: I'm come to find out. This is like it exploded
Speaker 1: into this huge thing.
Speaker 3: I knew, I just knew something was wrong.
Speaker 4: Police say thirty three year old Jared Bride Again was
Speaker 4: shot dead.
Speaker 3: I kept calling his phone during the drive.
Speaker 1: Gunned down in front of his two year old daughter.
Speaker 1: It's a murder of the stun Jack Speach neighbors.
Speaker 4: His murder has attracted national attention, with the investigators saying
Speaker 4: he was targeted.
Speaker 5: Eventually a police officer answered and told me to come
Speaker 5: to the police station.
Speaker 6: Justice is something that takes different shapes or forms.
Speaker 4: If you know something, heard something, please it's never too
Speaker 4: late to.
Speaker 7: Do the right thing.
Speaker 1: So I'm Dana Thompson aka Body Movin, and.
Speaker 6: I'm John Green. For about a decade, Deanna and I
Speaker 6: spent a lot of time on the Internet, especially in
Speaker 6: the underbelly of the Internet, trying to identify and get
Speaker 6: animal abusers arrested.
Speaker 1: We spent countless hours scouring the dark web helping catch predators.
Speaker 1: We spent over a year and a half trying to
Speaker 1: get law enforcement to take us seriously about a man
Speaker 1: that was killing cats online and he was threatening to
Speaker 1: move on to kill humans. And that was Luca mcnatta.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you might have heard about the Netflix special called
Speaker 6: Don't Fuck with Cats.
Speaker 1: That's us. Well, now we're turning our online investigator skills
Speaker 1: to some of the most unexplained, unsolved, and just ignored cases.
Speaker 6: This is True Crimes, the production of iHeartRadio and Kat's Studios.
Speaker 1: So last time we spoke to Shikaia's momb tamera, she
Speaker 1: had been planning a trip to go down to Arizona
Speaker 1: to meet with a sketch artist who was going to
Speaker 1: create an update to look on what Chakaya could look like.
Speaker 1: And John, we got pretty excited about that because you know,
Speaker 1: missing person posters are super important when you're trying to
Speaker 1: find somebody who's missing, right, correct.
Speaker 6: These updated photos could serve as an invaluable tool because
Speaker 6: we tend to think of the miss person as we've
Speaker 6: last seen them, which they may not look like that today.
Speaker 6: So her parents over the last four years could have changed.
Speaker 1: Right, And you know, Shakai has been kind of living
Speaker 1: a hard life, possibly so the environment, the elements they
Speaker 1: can aid you in different ways, so we were pretty
Speaker 1: excited about the chance of possibly getting an updated photo
Speaker 1: of Chicaya. However, since we last spoke to Tamra, her
Speaker 1: trip has gotten canceled. So John, we were thinking it
Speaker 1: might be interesting if we could do our own sketch
Speaker 1: for Shakaya's family so that we could do some new
Speaker 1: missing person posters, so we reached out to Michael W.
Speaker 8: Streed.
Speaker 1: Michael is the CEO, president, and co founder of SketchCop Solutions.
Speaker 6: He is also a retired police investigator, a certified forensic artist,
Speaker 6: and there's one of the world's most experienced forensic facial
Speaker 6: imaging and identification consultants.
Speaker 1: His facial composite software app, SketchCop, is used by law
Speaker 1: enforcement agencies around the world. We ended up finding him
Speaker 1: on his website SketchCop dot com.
Speaker 9: Hello, how are you doing Indiana?
Speaker 10: I'm wonderful are you?
Speaker 4: I'm doing great?
Speaker 2: And you're with SketchCop right, That is my company.
Speaker 9: I've been a police officer for over thirty years, retired
Speaker 9: as a police sergeant. During my career, I developed sketching
Speaker 9: skills and started working on a lot of different cases
Speaker 9: throughout Orange County, LA County, and so when I ended
Speaker 9: my career, I decided to start a consulting business to
Speaker 9: provide investigative assistance to agencies that needed some sort of
Speaker 9: friendsic facial imaging, whether it be composite sketches, eye withness, interviews,
Speaker 9: a skull reconstruction from unidentified remains most recent over the
Speaker 9: last couple of years, gotten into one to one facial
Speaker 9: comparison and analysis. And my latest skill set is actually
Speaker 9: cranio facial overlays and skull face overlays where you have
Speaker 9: device as AI supported software that can take a three
Speaker 9: D skull and lay over a two D photograph and
Speaker 9: align it properly and do an analysis a scope along
Speaker 9: staff person.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 9: So anything anything with facial identification. And I forgot the
Speaker 9: failing age progression that the I do a lot of
Speaker 9: age progression missing persons, people who passed away, you know,
Speaker 9: early in life. Their loved ones want to see what
Speaker 9: could have been. So I always tell people it's a
Speaker 9: boutique agency that pretty much does.
Speaker 4: Anything involving the face and facial illustration and facial identification.
Speaker 9: I've been doing it like this for over forty years
Speaker 9: now and I've worked on cases that no one's ever
Speaker 9: heard of. I've worked on cases that made news around
Speaker 9: the world, you know, anywhere from children abducted off the
Speaker 9: street and raped and murdered and the suspects have been arrested,
Speaker 9: you know, serial killers, zero robbers, zero rapists. I mean
Speaker 9: so and I've worked in you know, for small agencies.
Speaker 9: I'm under contract to LAPD how to provide sketch services
Speaker 9: for them, as well as the Baltimore Police Department as well.
Speaker 9: First of all, there's not a lot of people who
Speaker 9: specialize in doing age progression images. I was actually fortunate
Speaker 9: enough to be trained by the National Center for Missing
Speaker 9: Exploded Children by the artists back in the nineties who
Speaker 9: pioneered the technique. And so, whereas a lot of people,
Speaker 9: a lot of artists who do the work, they actually
Speaker 9: do a sketch based upon a photograph of the person.
Speaker 9: I actually use the photograph of the person and create
Speaker 9: a photographic looking end image.
Speaker 1: One thing I wanted to ask you, do people like
Speaker 1: hire you privately to do this kind of thing normally
Speaker 1: or is it normally law enforcement that reaches out to you.
Speaker 7: No, it's it's both.
Speaker 10: Actually, so we've been working on a missing person's case,
Speaker 10: and she's been missing for four years.
Speaker 9: You know, four years isn't going to be a lot
Speaker 9: of time and terms pright of aging an adult. However,
Speaker 9: if you know people who go missing, whether voluntary or involuntarily,
Speaker 9: it's going to take its toll. Unhealthy lifestyle and unhealthy diet,
Speaker 9: things like that. So there may be some structural changes
Speaker 9: in the face and maybe a more weathered appearance in
Speaker 9: terms of you know, people who aren't taking care of
Speaker 9: their hygiene necessarily, so a photograph of her could be
Speaker 9: updated to reflect that more so than any.
Speaker 4: Type of aging.
Speaker 9: The cool thing is, and the.
Speaker 4: Good thing about these things the image updates age progressions
Speaker 4: is it gets that face in front of the media
Speaker 4: and gets in front of people, It generates information.
Speaker 9: It becomes a focal point. Basically, it's a reason to
Speaker 9: go out to the media is because of a reason
Speaker 9: to get someone interested in the case like this, because
Speaker 9: facts are nothing more than words. Now you've got an
Speaker 9: image to go with that. I'd like to have as
Speaker 9: close a photograph to taken to the time that they disappeared,
Speaker 9: and of course, you know, the.
Speaker 4: Best quality possible. Any known health issues, any known drugger
Speaker 4: or alcohol abuse issues.
Speaker 9: As much information I have as possible, as good a
Speaker 9: photographs as possible, then get to work.
Speaker 10: I would love to make a new poster for her,
Speaker 10: you know what I mean, like be able to make
Speaker 10: a new poster to give to these organizations that are
Speaker 10: sharing for information, include a photo with you know, your
Speaker 10: information and stuff.
Speaker 2: That would be amazing.
Speaker 10: Anything we could do to move this along.
Speaker 9: We'd be happy to do right now. For example, you know,
Speaker 9: human traffic is a big thing. But again you know
Speaker 9: with the FEDS especially, but with local police departments, you know,
Speaker 9: they're having trouble holding onto people. They're having trouble with
Speaker 9: recruiting people. So a lot of things that were important
Speaker 9: before aren't so much important now. For example, nowadays, they're
Speaker 9: probably going to take a missing person's report, They're going
Speaker 9: to put it in the computer, so it's an NCIC.
Speaker 9: So if somebody happens upon this person on the street,
Speaker 9: you know, they get a report someone panhandling, they get
Speaker 9: to report someone acting suspiciously, you know, a beat officers
Speaker 9: in to contact them and they may find in their
Speaker 9: missing person and oftentimes unless there's some sort of reason
Speaker 9: to take them into some sort of protective custody. They're
Speaker 9: just going to verify they're okay, they're going to clear
Speaker 9: amount of the system of the person's going to go
Speaker 9: on about their life because there's no there's no mandate
Speaker 9: for the officers to return an adults or their family
Speaker 9: supported missing missing kids is much different, so you don't
Speaker 9: get a lot of follow up. And and you know, Johnny,
Speaker 9: you're saying earlier that you you know, you guys are
Speaker 9: having difficultly wrapping your head around the fact that she
Speaker 9: hasn't been contacted by the police in four years. And trafficking.
Speaker 9: The trafficking organizations are very sophisticated and oftentimes they secure
Speaker 9: these people in homes, they lock them down, they're virtually
Speaker 9: in jail. Basically, they're always escorted by somebody typically is
Speaker 9: going to make sure that they don't make contact or
Speaker 9: ask for help and such. And they may be being
Speaker 9: trapped in remote areas where there's very few law enforcement
Speaker 9: and or big cities that are that are so big
Speaker 9: and so busy with homicides and other crimes they don't
Speaker 9: have time to pay attention to it. So it's not
Speaker 9: surprising to me, based upon my experience, that she hasn't
Speaker 9: been contact at this point. But podcasts like what you
Speaker 9: guys are doing and immediate type of attention that you
Speaker 9: guys are giving to this case. And again, like I
Speaker 9: talked about earlier, doing a fresh, updated image, it gives
Speaker 9: the public, It gives the media something to look at,
Speaker 9: something to see, something visual, and now there's a reason
Speaker 9: to tell her story, there's a reason to get eyes
Speaker 9: back on, there's a reason to bring it around. You know,
Speaker 9: sometimes it takes a fresh set of eyes, and people
Speaker 9: like yourself, they're really enthusiastic about it because I think
Speaker 9: sometimes again and when law enforcement gets overwhelmed, they're almost
Speaker 9: in a trios situation. And in some cases, you know,
Speaker 9: it's sad to say, you know, most professions where there's
Speaker 9: a lot of high trauma, they see a lot of
Speaker 9: things where there's doctors, emergency or in personnelity, costs, fronment.
Speaker 9: We become jaded after a while, and it kind of affects,
Speaker 9: you know, how the enthusiasm which we approach certain types
Speaker 9: of investigations and cases. And again, you know, I think
Speaker 9: if you talk to anybody in the media that's going
Speaker 9: to be honest about it when they talk about missing
Speaker 9: persons cases and why indigenous people and marginalized communities and
Speaker 9: such don't get the attention that people feel they deserve.
Speaker 9: It's because a lot of cases, unfortunately, maybe the facts
Speaker 9: aren't as riveting and or would not get the ratings
Speaker 9: as some other really oddball murder. I mean, look at
Speaker 9: the success you guys had with the don't mess with
Speaker 9: caps catch You title compelling material. But at the same time,
Speaker 9: if it wasn't for you guys, nobody would have really
Speaker 9: paid attends to really cared. So, you know, kudos to
Speaker 9: you guys, and hopefully you guys will have the kind
Speaker 9: of success you enjoyed.
Speaker 10: The previous case on this one without without a murder happening.
Speaker 9: With the ideal, without a murder happening, it would be ideal.
Speaker 9: And anytime you can avoid a murder, it's always.
Speaker 11: Feel trust me.
Speaker 10: I mean, I'm not trying to joke about it, but yeah,
Speaker 10: without a murder, having the idea, No, you're right, it's
Speaker 10: the circumstances surrounding a lot of these missing murdered Indigenous people.
Speaker 2: Are just sad circumstances.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 10: They're not necessarily quote unquote entertainment, right, It's just sad.
Speaker 1: When I talked to Shakai's mom. I can't help but
Speaker 1: be reminded of my own mother. I was born in Detroit,
Speaker 1: and I lived in Detroit till I was about eleven
Speaker 1: years old. And then when I was eleven, my family,
Speaker 1: my mom and my brother and I moved to southern California.
Speaker 1: And I lived in Southern California till I was about
Speaker 1: twenty two, and then I moved to Las Vegas. So
Speaker 1: I grew up with like a really like wide range
Speaker 1: of cultures, right Like I grew up on the Midwest,
Speaker 1: and then I grew up on the you know, southern California,
Speaker 1: and then I went, you know, straight to Vegas. So
Speaker 1: I kind of have a Hodgepodge in my background. Where
Speaker 1: I moved to in southern California was like a beach town,
Speaker 1: so it was one hundred percent culture shock. You know.
Speaker 1: I had never seen the ocean and big, huge waves
Speaker 1: and you know, in the eighties it was like totally
Speaker 1: tubular and like that was all totally new for me.
Speaker 8: And then Vegas.
Speaker 7: Did you go there for work or what brought you to.
Speaker 1: That's a hard story to tell. My mom moved to
Speaker 1: Las Vegas with my little brother when I was eighteen,
Speaker 1: and I tried to stay in California as long as
Speaker 1: I could. But you know, I was young, trying to
Speaker 1: put my way through college and working and then getting
Speaker 1: laid off and working and going to school, and it
Speaker 1: was just so hard to do by myself in a
Speaker 1: really really like cost prohibitive area of the country. And
Speaker 1: so I just I kind of wanted. Something happened, and
Speaker 1: we can get into it. It kind of goes into
Speaker 1: some other things about me, but something happened, and I
Speaker 1: just I really wanted my mommy. And I know that
Speaker 1: sounds crazy, but my mom and I were Excuse me,
Speaker 1: my mom and I were like super close. I missed
Speaker 1: my mom. Hold on, I'm totally okay. So in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, my mom was diagnosed to it colon cancer,
Speaker 1: and it got to the point where she couldn't take
Speaker 1: care of herself anymore, and she moved in with me,
Speaker 1: and I ended up, you know, well, of course I
Speaker 1: have to work, you know, working and taking being her caregiver,
Speaker 1: and like during my whole filming of Don't f with
Speaker 1: Cats and you know everything, I was in the middle
Speaker 1: of being this caregiver for my mom, and that was
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. It came out in twenty nineteen, and
Speaker 1: she died shortly after. She died right at the beginning
Speaker 1: of COVID. She didn't die from COVID, she died from cancer.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, she passed. It's okay, I mean we
Speaker 1: were like incredibly close.
Speaker 6: So that was hard.
Speaker 1: I totally lost myself and her illness, you know, like
Speaker 1: I gained a bunch of weight. I didn't care about
Speaker 1: like what I looked like. I mean, I was just
Speaker 1: so busy with her care. You know, I didn't have
Speaker 1: a social life. I lost, you know, my fiance at
Speaker 1: the time left because it was just too much. Like
Speaker 1: her care was so hard and I would do it
Speaker 1: again in a heartbeat. I'm not complaining, like I would
Speaker 1: do it a hundred times over, but it was just
Speaker 1: so hard. And then all of a sudden, she's gone,
Speaker 1: and it was like, okay, now what you know, Like shit,
Speaker 1: I because I had lost myself in her so I
Speaker 1: totally like kind of figure out who I was again.
Speaker 1: And I'm just now two years later getting to that
Speaker 1: point where I'm like, okay, now I remember who I
Speaker 1: was and talking with Tamara a lot of the times
Speaker 1: I think about my mom. And obviously my mom did
Speaker 1: not have a missing daughter. I mean that, you know,
Speaker 1: never happened. But my mom had a super hard life,
Speaker 1: like a super fucking hard life. I feel like that
Speaker 1: she experienced the same kind of hardships, and so I
Speaker 1: have a lot of empathy for her, and I feel
Speaker 1: like this really like parasocial relationship with her, Like I
Speaker 1: feel close to her for some reason. And it might
Speaker 1: be because I'm you know, missing my mom. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I definitely have a lot of empathy for her,
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 6: A couple days later, we got the photos of Shakaia.
Speaker 6: In this first photo, Shakya looks innocently at the camera,
Speaker 6: her hand pushing her long brown hair behind her ear.
Speaker 1: And in the other photo she's grinning at the camera.
Speaker 1: But I have to say she looks absolutely beautiful in
Speaker 1: both photos, Like can't I can't convey to the audience
Speaker 1: how beautiful she is. The producers at Katie Studios are
Speaker 1: going to share this on their Instagram at Kati Underscore Studios.
Speaker 7: Get even.
Speaker 1: It's Mike, Hi, Mike, It's Diana, Hey Deanna, how are you?
Speaker 1: I'm awesome, how are you?
Speaker 7: Well? You know, it's hard to beat, but I'm doing
Speaker 7: pretty well.
Speaker 1: I have the photos from the family. Is it okay
Speaker 1: if I send them to you?
Speaker 10: Now?
Speaker 7: Sure?
Speaker 1: All right, Michael, I have your email. I saved it
Speaker 1: last time we talked. Chicaia bluehearting is the subject? All right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send them, right Neil, all right, cool, I
Speaker 1: sent them.
Speaker 4: A matter of fact, your email just came through. Let
Speaker 4: me take a look at these, all right, cool, I'm looking.
Speaker 7: At both pictures here. Let me open up this other one.
Speaker 7: I'm looking to see what image size they are.
Speaker 4: The very first one where she's in a white top,
Speaker 4: it's almost a full face picture. That's like four inch
Speaker 4: by four inch, which that's not too bad a size,
Speaker 4: and a lot of the graininess.
Speaker 7: It's not as grainy as when you were describing.
Speaker 4: I thought it was gonna be like horrible. It's not
Speaker 4: bad at all, Ash, I'll probably give yeah. And as
Speaker 4: a matter of fact, this other one is going to
Speaker 4: be okay. This one's thirteen by seventeen, so this is
Speaker 4: all right. This is this is a bigger file. So
Speaker 4: probably what I'm going to do. First of all, you know,
Speaker 4: if she.
Speaker 7: Has this youthful look, she's probably not going to like,
Speaker 7: you know, how long she's been missing. Nowt four years.
Speaker 1: She's been missing four years, and she will be So
Speaker 1: she went missing when she was nineteen, so she'd be
Speaker 1: twenty three.
Speaker 7: Now I'll have to turn these photos.
Speaker 4: I'll rotate them and crop them and get them all
Speaker 4: lined up and such, and get that Facebook back together,
Speaker 4: because I only have like I've got on the one
Speaker 4: I've got I'm missing just the top of the head
Speaker 4: just a little bit, and then the other one I've
Speaker 4: got the full face, but I really I kind of
Speaker 4: want to put her smile on that on the on
Speaker 4: the one where she's got the white, put the middle
Speaker 4: of her face in that because there's more of her
Speaker 4: hair in fullness and such.
Speaker 7: I'll look and see. The other thing is.
Speaker 4: Does mom have any pictures of herself at twenty two?
Speaker 4: I can ask there's a couple of reasons why is it. One,
Speaker 4: if she resembles either one of the parents a lot.
Speaker 4: I can skew that towards if I have pictures of
Speaker 4: the parents at twenty two, then kind of put her
Speaker 4: in the aging it's one thing, and then kind of
Speaker 4: giving it that lifestyle look in terms of if I
Speaker 4: have to you know, holler her cheeks out a little bit,
Speaker 4: or make her eyes look a little more tired and
Speaker 4: stuff because of the lifestyle she's probably living.
Speaker 1: And she's got like a really unique like nose and
Speaker 1: cheap cheeks and stuff. I think. And I mean, she's
Speaker 1: just a beautiful, beautiful girl, and she has got really
Speaker 1: long black hair. But there have been there was one
Speaker 1: sighting of her about a year after she went missing
Speaker 1: that set her hair. She was wearing her hair short.
Speaker 1: That they didn't say, but I did read though that
Speaker 1: victims of human traffic often have their identity stripped from them.
Speaker 1: And one of the ways that you that you strip
Speaker 1: the identity from a woman as you cut their hair. Right,
Speaker 1: So I don't know, like today, obviously I have no
Speaker 1: idea what her hair looks like, but it might be
Speaker 1: shorter than this, you know, long black hair that she
Speaker 1: usually wears.
Speaker 4: Well, that's the cool thing about digital is that I
Speaker 4: can actually, once I work on the face, I can
Speaker 4: give her a couple of three different hairstyles.
Speaker 7: Oh that'd be great, Yeah, you can.
Speaker 4: You can give there's a you know, you could take
Speaker 4: the chopped off hair, maybe the hair pulled back, the
Speaker 4: ponytail and or maybe just it long but maybe not
Speaker 4: so fine.
Speaker 7: Maybe it'll frizzy, a little rough looking, maybe something like that.
Speaker 1: Oh, that would be wonderful. That way they can use,
Speaker 1: you know, several different ones that they're like, this is
Speaker 1: a possibility, this is a possibility. This that would be fabulous.
Speaker 1: Mom would really love that.
Speaker 4: I don't believe in doing too many because I think
Speaker 4: what happens is is people take it literally and they
Speaker 4: think that they think they're looking for ten different people.
Speaker 4: But I think you know, if you have a couple
Speaker 4: different choices for them to look at, you know, again
Speaker 4: your relative to this sighting, the possible sighting, her hair
Speaker 4: was significantly shorter. You can do that and maybe something
Speaker 4: pulled back, because again you want people looking at the face,
Speaker 4: and that the short hair and the hair pulled back,
Speaker 4: it forces people to focus on the face because she's
Speaker 4: not likely to have some big bluffont and some big
Speaker 4: giant hair dude like eighties hair, you know where you
Speaker 4: just all you look at is damn that hair. Look
Speaker 4: at that hair.
Speaker 7: I mean, I'd love to have hair like that versus
Speaker 7: looking at her face.
Speaker 1: Okay, I like that. No, I think that's really smart. See,
Speaker 1: there's a reason you're an expert. All right, buddy, I
Speaker 1: really appreciate you and all your.
Speaker 7: Time you as well, and I'll be in touch soon.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, cool, okay, thanks byee.
Speaker 6: Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in
Speaker 6: a moment.
Speaker 1: After everything happened in twenty twelve, when Luca murdered Jenlyn,
Speaker 1: I went to therapy because I needed somebody to talk to.
Speaker 1: And I was in therapy for months. And you have
Speaker 1: to remember this is back in twenty twelve, this is many,
Speaker 1: many years ago. And my therapist was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I really want to test you for Aspergers. And I
Speaker 1: was like what.
Speaker 8: I was so offended.
Speaker 1: Well, I never went back to her after that. I
Speaker 1: was so offended. So after my mom died in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: I had to go to therapy. My whole life was
Speaker 1: upended when my mom died, like totally upended. And she
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I want to test you for
Speaker 1: autism spectrum disorder. And I was like what the same
Speaker 1: thing right? And I explained to her, you know, listen,
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, they wanted to test me for Aspergers,
Speaker 1: and now you want to test me for autism, Like
Speaker 1: what the you know, and I went through all the testing,
Speaker 1: they talked all my family. I mean, it was like
Speaker 1: it was exhausting. But let me tell you something. After
Speaker 1: I got my die diagnosis, I have autism. Because I
Speaker 1: was very upset when I got my diagnosis. I mean
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I was upset because I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, what could I have been? What could I
Speaker 1: have become in my life had I got diagnosed at
Speaker 1: an early age? What could I have become if I
Speaker 1: had been given tools to handle these things? Like how
Speaker 1: would I be successful? Would I be? Like And it's
Speaker 1: funny too. My therapist was telling me one of the
Speaker 1: symptoms or you know, offshoots of autism is this sense
Speaker 1: of justice. Part of the spectrum is the inability to
Speaker 1: accept injustice, like we just can't deal with the unfairness
Speaker 1: of injustice. And I never knew that before. And when
Speaker 1: she told me that, I was like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: And she was like yeah, I couldn't believe it. Literally,
Speaker 1: I'm not even kidding you. I felt like the clouds
Speaker 1: parted and the birds started singing, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this all makes sense. You know. It made me feel good,
Speaker 1: made me feel good, so and of course, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't believe anybody. So I got home and I
Speaker 1: was like googling right away asd justin, you know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. But when I first got the diagnosis,
Speaker 1: I had this thing in my head. It's so silly,
Speaker 1: like rain Man. That was my understanding of autism. Like
Speaker 1: I was ignorant, I had no idea. But I've come
Speaker 1: to the conclusion, like where I am now is not
Speaker 1: like in spite of my autism, it's because of it.
Speaker 1: It makes me unique to be where I'm at. You know,
Speaker 1: I can do anything. This isn't really going to hold
Speaker 1: me back, like and it makes me uniquely qualified, you know,
Speaker 1: in certain aspects that make me really unique. So it's
Speaker 1: not necessarily a bad thing at all, but it took
Speaker 1: me a while to get there.
Speaker 6: While we work to pursue a few other leads and
Speaker 6: chase down information on both Chicaia and Jared's case, SketchCop
Speaker 6: was able to provide some insight into its process.
Speaker 4: Have a listen, Okay, so it's asked to create an
Speaker 4: age progression of Chakaia. This is actually going to be
Speaker 4: an image update. Shakai has been missing for four years,
Speaker 4: and I didn't really feel that that was enough time
Speaker 4: to show any sort of aging. And typically with adults,
Speaker 4: you know, you reach a certain apex in aging and
Speaker 4: then you start to go downhill, as they say, you know,
Speaker 4: the face starts showing signs of age. You know, lines
Speaker 4: start to develop, you know, skin gets a little bit rougher,
Speaker 4: there's some sag here and there. So I think because
Speaker 4: of what was described as possibly a harmful lifestyle and
Speaker 4: or being the victim of human trafficking, which that sort
Speaker 4: of lifestyle, you know, being shuttled from city to city,
Speaker 4: country to country, you know, having a poor diet, not
Speaker 4: no access to medical treatment, that's going to accelerate the
Speaker 4: aging a little bit. What I wanted to do is
Speaker 4: make these facial features in his face a little brighter,
Speaker 4: a little crisper. I work in photoshop a loze. They've
Speaker 4: got a lot of neural type of filters now, and
Speaker 4: one of them is like a color corrector a photo fixer,
Speaker 4: and that would allowed me to work on an image
Speaker 4: and retouch that photo. It takes the picture and reassemble
Speaker 4: the pixels and stitch them together in such a way
Speaker 4: that you get a clear, crisper picture. So I source
Speaker 4: other photos to use in these image updates and such,
Speaker 4: and you want to find a pose is consistent with
Speaker 4: the picture. So at the same time, I wanted to
Speaker 4: get as much of her face looking forward to increase
Speaker 4: the opportunity for identifications. I can change the gaze of
Speaker 4: her eyes easily as well. But now we've got pretty
Speaker 4: much a full facial image. A little bit just a
Speaker 4: small degree of turning there, but this will help me
Speaker 4: find more easily find I should say, a suitable hairstyle
Speaker 4: and a suitable reference picture to integrate into her face,
Speaker 4: to show some of the wear and tear the lifestyle has.
Speaker 4: Now that I've got the clarity I want in the
Speaker 4: picture and the gaze that I want, now I'm going
Speaker 4: to go ahead and I'm going to grab some references
Speaker 4: as well, an updated neckline, maybe some eyebrows that aren't
Speaker 4: as well groomed, and so these are some of the elements,
Speaker 4: and I could use more, but these are the ones
Speaker 4: that I'm going to start with. You know, once I
Speaker 4: put the puzzle together, then it's a matter of making
Speaker 4: sure all the pieces fit well. And I'm like a
Speaker 4: puzzle which has all these lines between the pieces. We
Speaker 4: want to smooth those lines out so it looks like
Speaker 4: a regular picture of her. And I think the last
Speaker 4: thing I want to bring is this face. I found
Speaker 4: a very similar shape face. I'm not so concerned about
Speaker 4: the mouth, but the eyes look pretty good. The nose,
Speaker 4: I don't think we're using nose. We're gonna use some
Speaker 4: of the lines and cheek bones and such and kind
Speaker 4: of the shrunkening face just a bit. There's lots of
Speaker 4: cleanup in here to do, and a lot of digital
Speaker 4: painting and a lot of erasing and color matching and
Speaker 4: making sure that everything fits properly. So I'll go around
Speaker 4: typically and let me go ahead and pick a brown color,
Speaker 4: like a dark brown from her eyes there and through
Speaker 4: with the pencil tool, and I will just kind of
Speaker 4: work around and just kind of give more definition to
Speaker 4: her face.
Speaker 1: There's so many different reasons I have for doing what
Speaker 1: I do, And I mean, this isn't something I share often,
Speaker 1: and I've never talked about it publicly, but my therapist
Speaker 1: has been on my ass to do so. But I
Speaker 1: had my own situation in nineteen ninety four, when I
Speaker 1: was like twenty two. I was the victim of an
Speaker 1: assault and it was a sexual assault and I never
Speaker 1: did anything about it. I was I felt shame. And again,
Speaker 1: this is a different time, right, my family didn't live
Speaker 1: in the area I was living. I was embarrassed. I
Speaker 1: thought that I had done it to myself.
Speaker 10: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like this, somehow this is my fault. I never went
Speaker 1: to the authorities. I never told my friends, like I
Speaker 1: never talked about it. And it's always been there in
Speaker 1: the back of my head, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like I do think shaped my outlook on like getting justice.
Speaker 1: It's just now I know, you know, because I've gotten
Speaker 1: confidence and you know, times have changed and everything. I
Speaker 1: know that I did nothing wrong. I know that now,
Speaker 1: But back then I felt so much shame. It this
Speaker 1: was all my fault. I promise, I'm fine. I promise.
Speaker 1: I think it really has shaped me. It's just another brick, right,
Speaker 1: It's another brick in that wall of who I am.
Speaker 1: Bad shit happens to everybody, and again, it's not my fault.
Speaker 1: And I don't have any you know, resentment of myself.
Speaker 1: I wish I would have done something, but I'm not.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not blaming myself anymore, and that's great,
Speaker 1: But it took me a long time to get there.
Speaker 1: And so like when I when I, especially with Shakaya, right,
Speaker 1: I feel I wasn't certainly in any way like Shakaia.
Speaker 1: I was totally different, but I feel she's a victim
Speaker 1: of the same kind of like system, but on a
Speaker 1: much bigger scale for her, right, And so I have
Speaker 1: like I feel, especially with Shakaiya and Tamera too, I
Speaker 1: feel like they need more voices.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: I don't think you have to be a victim of
Speaker 1: a sexual assault to have any like relatability with Shakaia,
Speaker 1: but I do think it helps, right, Like I'm sure
Speaker 1: John Green has just as much drive that eyes I
Speaker 1: do defind Shakaia, but I just think that's it's an
Speaker 1: additional spark, right, It's another match strike.
Speaker 2: We hear the term justice all the time.
Speaker 7: How do you define that?
Speaker 1: What's your version of that? When somebody pays the price
Speaker 1: for their wrongdoings and gives the victims a voice, that's
Speaker 1: justice to me. So, as Ketch Coop is working on
Speaker 1: our age progression photos, we got some unbelievable news that
Speaker 1: makes this work so gratifying and fulfilling. So it's Tuesday night,
Speaker 1: It's about ten thirty. I just got home. While I
Speaker 1: was out, I got an email from Shawnee, who is
Speaker 1: Kaya's sister. It's Consent and Information Form National Missing Person's
Speaker 1: DNA Database, and it's a statement of consent and privacy.
Speaker 1: So the FBI had been asking for Shakaia's father to
Speaker 1: sign a release saying that they could take possession of
Speaker 1: his DNA, and they're doing that. They already have the mothers.
Speaker 1: They're doing that because they don't have Shakaia's DNA and
Speaker 1: if she pops up somewhere in a hospital and she
Speaker 1: doesn't know who she is or God forbid, Jane Doe
Speaker 1: body that they need to identify, they need her DNA
Speaker 1: on file so that they can do a compare. So,
Speaker 1: according to Detective Fritz at the Elstone County Sheriff's Office,
Speaker 1: he had been trying to get in touch with the
Speaker 1: father for quite some time to get this DNA form signed.
Speaker 1: I got an email from Shawnay it is the form
Speaker 1: signed by her father, and I'm overjoyed. And I texted
Speaker 1: John Green immediately and I'm like, you're not gonna believe this,
Speaker 1: This could find her. Like I was emotional and calmed
Speaker 1: down a little bit since then, but I'm still kind
Speaker 1: of shaky.
Speaker 6: But getting an updated sketch of Shakaia wasn't the only
Speaker 6: good news we got.
Speaker 1: While I was about to start working, I went online
Speaker 1: and I saw something that got us very excited. Three
Speaker 1: law enforcement sources on Monday night confirmed to News for
Speaker 1: Jacks that there has been a major development in the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two murder investigation of Jared Bride, again, a
Speaker 1: father of four. These sources each confirmed that arrest related
Speaker 1: to the case will be made and announced on Wednesday. Okay,
Speaker 1: so Wednesday, that's wow. I think they found the Ford
Speaker 1: F one fifty, right, Okay, And I think they found
Speaker 1: the Ford F one fifty from.
Speaker 6: The tire that would be the connection point, right.
Speaker 1: Right, like the batch and the lot and all that, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they traced it to where it was sold and then
Speaker 1: went through records maybe, and then from there they found
Speaker 1: they also have DNA, possibly from the showcasing, but no match.
Speaker 1: Let's say they find the owner of the F one fifty,
Speaker 1: they follow this person around I don't know whatever, get
Speaker 1: trash and they make a match. The one thing I
Speaker 1: don't know is tomorrow when somebody's arrested, is it's somebody
Speaker 1: that like, we've never heard this person's name, you know,
Speaker 1: and they were like hired by somebody, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? But I was thinking about, let me
Speaker 1: call Chris. So there's tomorrow at noon Florida time, Eastern
Speaker 1: Standard time, there's going to be a press conference from
Speaker 1: the District Attorney and the police department, and they're supposed
Speaker 1: to be announcing an arrest in this case. And I'm
Speaker 1: fascinated by that. And the reason I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: to you, Chris Salgado, was just to get your I mean,
Speaker 1: John Green, are John Green? And I are so like
Speaker 1: knee deep in the weeds sometimes that you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: it's hard to see the forest through the trees, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: So they are announcing this arrest, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't remember any other time when the case was like
Speaker 1: we're going to be arresting somebody tomorrow. So I started thinking, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: why would they announce that?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: It seems calculated to me that they would announce that.
Speaker 1: What do you guys think about that?
Speaker 11: So I've never been law enforcement before twenty one years
Speaker 11: as an investigator, but never on the law enforcement side.
Speaker 11: Always the private sector. So I can't speak on behalf
Speaker 11: of any law enforcement experience. But you know, I too
Speaker 11: find that's always unusual or maybe not unusual. But I
Speaker 11: always challenge why police officialsts do that. And I don't
Speaker 11: want to say, you know, I'm second guests law second
Speaker 11: guests in law enforcement. They know what they're doing, but
Speaker 11: it is curious to me when sometimes when they do
Speaker 11: something like that.
Speaker 1: But do the cops do that on purpose?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: Like shit, I got to dispose of the murder weapon
Speaker 1: and then follow them? Do you know what I mean
Speaker 1: to get that evidence like that kind of and that
Speaker 1: when I say calculated, that's what I mean. Like they're
Speaker 1: under surveillance, they're going to be arrested tomorrow, let's announce
Speaker 1: it and see what they do. Is it possible that
Speaker 1: they are working like the person that they're going to
Speaker 1: be arresting is like cooperating and they're just giving this person,
Speaker 1: like you know, two days or whatever to wrap things up.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I just John, what do you think?
Speaker 1: John Green? Do you what do you think about that?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 2: What I think right now is that we're very excited
Speaker 2: because we've been talking about Jared and his case and
Speaker 2: today's a big announcement.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I agree with you. We are this is
Speaker 1: all speculation one hundred percent, and that's what we do, right.
Speaker 1: This is that goes without saying we don't one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: And these they know what they're doing. But I just
Speaker 1: feel like this this move of announcing a rest twenty
Speaker 1: four hours, you know, twenty after thirty hours or so
Speaker 1: before it happens, it's there's a reason normally they would
Speaker 1: just arrest them and say the arrest has been made exactly.
Speaker 11: Yeah, And that's when we get into the idea of
Speaker 11: you know, for those that have engaged with law enforcement,
Speaker 11: you know that's in some capacity, right, that really kind
Speaker 11: of enters into the intuitive as far as like what
Speaker 11: we know their methodology to be. As I mentioned before,
Speaker 11: but you know, I fear I can't for really value
Speaker 11: in that have the experience as a law enforcement officer,
Speaker 11: but just as a you know, sure I've been investing
Speaker 11: here for a long time as an individual looking in
Speaker 11: from the outside, it definitely strikes me as odd. And
Speaker 11: you know, the idea is when you just said, you know,
Speaker 11: is cooperate trying to appease something I don't know, But
Speaker 11: what I do know is that and rest on this
Speaker 11: right And sure surely you and your listeners can can
Speaker 11: remember this that the fact that law enforcement knows a
Speaker 11: hell of a lot more than we do, and we
Speaker 11: can take solids that their movements are well calculated.
Speaker 1: Right. Another theory that I read today was that they
Speaker 1: announced it to see if the person runs, because if
Speaker 1: the person runs, they won't get bonded. But if the
Speaker 1: person that is arrested has money, this will be a reason,
Speaker 1: not that this person wouldn't be released. The reason I
Speaker 1: wanted to have this phone call before tomorrow is just
Speaker 1: kind of to see if is to see if we're
Speaker 1: on the right track. Right.
Speaker 11: Yep, there's a lot of damning statements out there, are
Speaker 11: really pointing fingers at Shanna. You know, we US three
Speaker 11: have never springboarded or joined that kind of bandwagon. I'm
Speaker 11: not saying I deny that, but I don't really share.
Speaker 11: I don't really have evidence.
Speaker 2: Community.
Speaker 1: There is no evidence of it. Yeah, there's no evidence
Speaker 1: of it none.
Speaker 11: What's going to go down tomorrow, It's gonna be very.
Speaker 7: Good morning.
Speaker 4: Thank you for being here today.
Speaker 9: My name is Jean Paul Smith, and I'm the chief
Speaker 9: of Police.
Speaker 1: Yo, dude, I've been waiting all night for this. I
Speaker 1: hope it's not Shanna.
Speaker 7: Oh.
Speaker 6: I don't think it's her because she's out about doing
Speaker 6: normal things.
Speaker 1: I just, you know, ultimately the kids, right Like I
Speaker 1: was thinking about this last night. It would just be
Speaker 1: terrible for those kids. They just lost their dad, you
Speaker 1: know now, you know what I mean, that would be
Speaker 1: just awful. Oh, here we go, It's it's life.
Speaker 7: Here we are. This is the moment.
Speaker 6: If you're an armchair detective or internet sleuth, this is
Speaker 6: the thing you're waiting to hear and see. You spent
Speaker 6: the last what several six seven weeks looking into Jared,
Speaker 6: and now we're going to find out.
Speaker 1: Imagine Jared's family right now though, like they must be
Speaker 1: so Oh, there's Kirsten.
Speaker 4: This was a plan and targeted and.
Speaker 1: They still said it was planned and targeted.
Speaker 4: Just under an hour ago, this man, Henry Tennen, was arrested.
Speaker 1: For the following crime Henry Tennan.
Speaker 4: Conspiracy to commit murder.
Speaker 1: Right the attorney's getting up to the attorney, I'll look
Speaker 1: at Kirsten. Oh my heart.
Speaker 3: In order to protect the integrity of this ongoing and
Speaker 3: active investigation, the state was obtained a court order sealing
Speaker 3: Tenan's arrest weren't and outidated for.
Speaker 5: The next thirty days.
Speaker 10: Shit.
Speaker 3: However, I will briefly discuss the four crimes for which
Speaker 3: Tenon has been arrested.
Speaker 1: They're sealing these the arrests weren't. Oh my god, Okay,
Speaker 1: so grand jury's going to be sealed.
Speaker 7: Ah.
Speaker 4: That was a quick and short, straight to the point.
Speaker 1: Okay, So here's what we know Henry Tennan. They arrested
Speaker 1: Henry Tennin. They said it was conspiracy to commit murder
Speaker 1: and then also accessory after the fact, correct, and then
Speaker 1: child abuse because his daughter. Now, all signs point to
Speaker 1: him conspiring with somebody that we don't know yet, right,
Speaker 1: So kind of like I said last night, it's going
Speaker 1: to be somebody we don't know. But I was wrong.
Speaker 1: I thought they had I thought they would have had
Speaker 1: the FORDA f what' and fifty honestly, And I thought
Speaker 1: that because of what Kirsten said when we talked to her,
Speaker 1: when we asked her, do they have the four foot fifteen?
Speaker 1: She was like radio silence? Remember, yeah, So that's interesting.
Speaker 1: That is very interesting. So do we think that this
Speaker 1: Henry Tennan might have been hired by somebody.
Speaker 6: That's my that's my initial like he's somehow connected to it.
Speaker 6: But the police chief said they're looking for other people
Speaker 6: too and asking the right the public to come forward
Speaker 6: with any information. So it sounds like they're other individuals
Speaker 6: than wolved.
Speaker 1: Correct, that's what I'm gathering. Maybe this guy will talk,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And the other thing we
Speaker 1: learned too in this is that the arrest warrant is
Speaker 1: going to be sealed for thirty days and it's going
Speaker 1: to be taken in front of a grand jury, which
Speaker 1: is you know, that's all that's always sealed, I guess
Speaker 1: is the right way to say it. It's always you
Speaker 1: can't read. So that's a bummer that we're not going
Speaker 1: to be able to get the search warrant or the
Speaker 1: arrest warrant, you know, or the probable cause, the reasons.
Speaker 5: I want to know where Henry Ken lives.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's go look. Let me look him up,
Speaker 1: all right, Jacksonville Beach. He's sixty one years old. He
Speaker 1: resides in Jacksonville, Florida. Here's his phone number, his email address.
Speaker 1: So excellent is that? Yeah, I've got everything. I'll send
Speaker 1: you the info. Okay, i'd like to see his arrest
Speaker 1: history to see if he's done carjacking in the past.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, all right, so last named tennon Henry. Let's
Speaker 1: just do that case type. This looks like it's more
Speaker 1: civil court. The fuck here we go. So this is today.
Speaker 8: Criminal traffic? What's this one? Twenty sixteen, twenty twenty two,
Speaker 8: this has got to be it.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, go back.
Speaker 8: Tennon Henry.
Speaker 1: Leaving the scene of an accident twenty twenty two. He
Speaker 1: left the scene of a crime or no, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: leaving the scene of an accident.
Speaker 8: All right, look at the searge.
Speaker 1: Results in twenty sixteen driving while licenses suspended or revoked
Speaker 1: and he used somebody else's license plate. Two thy thirteen, Oh,
Speaker 1: domestic battery okay, two thousand and eight operating wild driver's
Speaker 1: license revoked for habitual traffic offender. He left the scene
Speaker 1: of an accident again, license suspended, license suspent. Wow, he's
Speaker 1: got his license suspended like all the time. So all
Speaker 1: his court records so far are leaving the scene of
Speaker 1: an accident, domestic battery, and driving with.
Speaker 8: A suspended license.
Speaker 1: Looks think he has an open case right now and
Speaker 1: his next court date is for January thirty first driving
Speaker 1: while license is suspended or revoked. He also had the
Speaker 1: possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. Whoa, So
Speaker 1: wait a minute, this is in September of twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two of this year. Yeah, he was, that's when he
Speaker 1: was arraigned.
Speaker 5: So they arrested him.
Speaker 2: When they took him in cusseyed.
Speaker 1: He had a weapon on Here we go, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: happened in August of twenty twenty two.
Speaker 5: That gun matched the shell case.
Speaker 1: Right, So I'm gonna print this, okay, so we have
Speaker 1: it save and I'm gonna call this current case because
Speaker 1: that's it's still open.
Speaker 8: Henry tennin All right, let me upload these.
Speaker 1: Okay, So there's two new files that you can look at.
Speaker 1: Let's stop here for another quick break.
Speaker 6: So as soon as this press conference ended, Deanna and
Speaker 6: I got back to doing what we do, which is
Speaker 6: digging up new information, and discovered that Henry Tennant, the
Speaker 6: person just arrested for Jared's death, his landlord up until
Speaker 6: mid February last year, just happened to be Mario Fernandez,
Speaker 6: Shanna Gardner's new husband.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to tell you right now, our heads
Speaker 1: are exploding. This connection, which might just be a coincidence.
Speaker 1: This brought the murder even closer to Jared's ex wife, Sheena.
Speaker 1: This morning, I woke up to another Google alert, obviously,
Speaker 1: and the alert was that Henry Tennan was in court
Speaker 1: today for his first appearance and they write his charges
Speaker 1: and you know he's been you know, bond. So then
Speaker 1: I went and looked at the court records and he
Speaker 1: filed for indigent status, okay, and he was granted. And
Speaker 1: did you know, I don't know what that means, Like
Speaker 1: I think that means he needs a public defender, right exactly,
Speaker 1: you have to.
Speaker 2: Meet a certain criteria in order being unless you have
Speaker 2: to provide one for your own right.
Speaker 1: And then the other link that Google sent me was
Speaker 1: a news article, and I updated the timeline and put
Speaker 1: all the links in there and everything from First Coast
Speaker 1: News who said they did an interview with the roommate.
Speaker 1: And this is what this is where it gets interesting.
Speaker 1: This is what I want to talk to you about.
Speaker 1: The roommate said, Henry moved out in February of two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the incident with Jarrett happened on the sixteenth.
Speaker 1: That's up everywhere.
Speaker 2: Usually usually people statedly end of the month to move
Speaker 2: out right.
Speaker 1: Right, Wow, I'm thinking it happened at the beginning of February,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking that Mario and Henry thought, well, if
Speaker 1: you move out before you do it, nobody's going to
Speaker 1: be able to link us, right because you've been renting
Speaker 1: this for me privately. There's no company and well, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Mario thought, Okay, well this won't
Speaker 1: be an issue. They're not going to be able to
Speaker 1: link us. You don't live there anymore exactly. So I
Speaker 1: thought that was interesting. And then the roommate went on
Speaker 1: to say that since October the cops have been there
Speaker 1: several times with search warrants, looking for guns and cars
Speaker 1: and other evidence. But he didn't know why. The roommate
Speaker 1: he didn't know what what for. He just knew they
Speaker 1: had search warrants. So that's interesting. Guess when Henry's going
Speaker 1: to be arraigned.
Speaker 2: Thirty first or the sixteenth of February.
Speaker 1: Sixteenth of February. Holy cow, that's going to be a
Speaker 1: big isn't that something?
Speaker 5: I mean?
Speaker 1: Isn't that now?
Speaker 7: Listen?
Speaker 1: It could change, right, those kinds of things change. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But when I read that, I got the chill. I
Speaker 1: was like, what, I went to the court website and
Speaker 1: it was right there, February sixteenth.
Speaker 2: I was like, what, I'm sure that was done on
Speaker 2: firstpace as a nice book ending, right.
Speaker 1: I also added like the exf grab of the Kawi
Speaker 1: trip that so Shelley posted because I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 1: She posted that post right at like the same time
Speaker 1: Jared was getting murdered. It was just really weird. So,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at I'm looking at these pictures of
Speaker 1: the post in Kawhi right now. I don't know when
Speaker 1: they went to Kauai. I don't that I don't know.
Speaker 1: It just says our annual trip to Kawhi was awesome.
Speaker 1: But there's no information on like when they were actually there.
Speaker 1: But I'm looking at pictures of like Mario and Shanna
Speaker 1: app in Kauai, and I'm looking at Mario and I'm like,
Speaker 1: that little shit knew this was coming, like because obviously
Speaker 1: this is prior to his murder, right, yeah, but I
Speaker 1: mean he was he hadn't planned by the time this
Speaker 1: trip was done. Like, I don't know. It just makes
Speaker 1: me sick, right, it just makes me sick. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's got a couple of uys. You know, Yeah, no
Speaker 1: news from Mario that I've seen at all. And I
Speaker 1: went through I've already gone through all his records. He
Speaker 1: just has like speeding tickets and stuff.
Speaker 2: I think they're just sitting on him, waiting for him
Speaker 2: to do their own move.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's why they announced it. I
Speaker 1: really do to see what he does or what or
Speaker 1: what she does right or both. Her Her mom posted
Speaker 1: yesterday that she received a beautiful card in the mail
Speaker 1: from like the stamping up people. But so I'm assuming
Speaker 1: she's home. A yeah, that's like. One of the first
Speaker 1: places I went this morning was to her mom's blog.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a nosy bitch. I wake up in
Speaker 1: the morning. I wake up in the morning, I get
Speaker 1: my coffee, I sit down, I read my Google alert,
Speaker 1: and I.
Speaker 2: Go and look, Welcome to the life of John and Deianna.
Speaker 1: All right, it's Friday morning. I'm gonna start going through
Speaker 1: some Facebook posts on Henry Tennon just to I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just still have a feeling we're gonna be able
Speaker 1: to find this blue Florida f one fifty connected to
Speaker 1: him somehow. So I'm gonna go to it just just friends,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna type in ten and in the back,
Speaker 1: just to look for people that are related. All Right,
Speaker 1: we have a Dwight. Let's go to his photos. Nothing there, videos,
Speaker 1: nothing there, posts. This looks like maybe it's a cousin
Speaker 1: or a brother. It's that same age range. All right,
Speaker 1: he's just he plays a bunch of games and that's
Speaker 1: like his whole Facebook feed. Okay, Lawrence Crane. His photo
Speaker 1: is a car, so he probably has cars and his
Speaker 1: Let's go to him photos. No, foe fifty.
Speaker 8: What's this?
Speaker 1: That's a four one fifty But it's like pimped out.
Speaker 1: Looks really nice. It's definitely not it Johnny tennon all right.
Speaker 1: He looks like maybe a brother or cousin. All right,
Speaker 1: so let's go to photos. He's got a picture of
Speaker 1: a white.
Speaker 8: Is that a caddy?
Speaker 11: Maybe?
Speaker 8: Okay, it's got a videos. Oh my god, there's a
Speaker 8: blue Ford f one fifty in the driveway. Holy shit.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, hold on, that doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1: This guy lives in Georgia. But I'm saving this. Okay,
Speaker 1: blue Ford. Let me make a it's not really a
Speaker 1: good angle of it, alright. Let me I gotta log this, Okay,
Speaker 1: let me get my spreadsheet. I should have done this beforehand.
Speaker 1: I wasn't prepared. He's got a couple of videos and
Speaker 1: they're all outside, like in his like kind of driveway.
Speaker 8: Let's see this one. This is twenty nineteen.
Speaker 7: Huh.
Speaker 1: There it is that looks like that looks like the
Speaker 1: exact car. Okay, I gotta save this, Lily Crapple save
Speaker 1: blue Ford F one. I gotta send this to JG
Speaker 1: right now. All right, so let me see let me
Speaker 1: text him. All right, Okay, I'm freaking out. I need
Speaker 1: to relax a little bit because it doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1: All right, let me go to Google. Matt well, let
Speaker 1: me go run a report on him.
Speaker 8: He lives in Georgia. There he is. Copy save.
Speaker 1: Johnny tennin Alrightmaps dot Google, let me copy that address.
Speaker 8: All right, let's go to the street view.
Speaker 1: Oh there it is.
Speaker 8: On the street view.
Speaker 1: Holy shit.
Speaker 8: I send this to JG right now.
Speaker 1: I should not have done this, because now I'm like,
Speaker 1: I need somebody to talk to and I have nobody
Speaker 1: to talk to. Oh somebody else found it too. Oh fuck,
Speaker 1: somebody else found it on Reddit.
Speaker 8: John just sent it to me. I woke up and
Speaker 8: started going through his friends.
Speaker 1: Alright, let me go read this redd thread. M somebody
Speaker 1: posted it on Reddit fifteen hours ago. Okay, I'm just
Speaker 1: here to give kudos cause I tried fighting it on
Speaker 1: Google Street with all his known addresses and work, but
Speaker 1: no success. I'm assuming the cops have found the truck
Speaker 1: by now at his relatives. Can you tell what you're
Speaker 1: it wouldn't hurt to call the police. I wonder if
Speaker 1: anybody did. Okay, let me go look Ford f one
Speaker 1: fifty Jared Bride again two thousand and four to two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. So I wonder if I should call
Speaker 1: the cops. I feel stupid calling them if somebody else
Speaker 1: already did. Let's see no indication if he called the
Speaker 1: cops in this thread. Intelligent Basil forty three, you and
Speaker 1: I are soul sisters here, all right? I should have
Speaker 1: looked on Reddit first. God dang it. Oh well, I
Speaker 1: didn't take that long. I mean, this is probably a
Speaker 1: really common truck, right, but I still think I should
Speaker 1: tell Jack's police, which I'm gonna do. You can find
Speaker 1: the information on the relatives' Facebook page at.
Speaker 7: Here.
Speaker 6: Copy.
Speaker 1: You have to watch the video by watching the video here.
Speaker 1: And then I got the address for this person, Johnny
Speaker 1: Tennin located here and Google map street View has an
Speaker 1: image of this blue Ford F one F in the
Speaker 1: drive way. Let me get that and this is back
Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen, so that puts it in line with
Speaker 1: that truck year. The image from Google Maps is from
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, which is in line with the year of
Speaker 1: truck you are seeking in the Jared Bridegan murder. After
Speaker 1: Henry Tennan's arrest, John and our producer Andrews spoke to Kirsten.
Speaker 1: Jared's wife.
Speaker 6: Kirsten told us, ever since Mario was arrested, it's been
Speaker 6: very hard for her, both physically and mentally.
Speaker 3: And we can understand that I had a migraine for
Speaker 3: a couple of days and just like barely coming down
Speaker 3: off of one. So it's just manifested itself physically in
Speaker 3: some strange ways that I wasn't expecting.
Speaker 5: But otherwise, I mean, we're good. You know, it's a
Speaker 5: good step forward, it's a positive thing.
Speaker 3: It's just a lot. And we were informed a little
Speaker 3: bit ahead of time that an arrest was coming, and
Speaker 3: thankfully they granted my request to see the photo of
Speaker 3: the person prior to the press conference. So I had
Speaker 3: to kind of keep it under wraps from my family
Speaker 3: and friends. But then Monday hit and somebody apparently leaked
Speaker 3: it to the press. So things just got crazy a
Speaker 3: lot earlier than I had expected. You know, Monday night,
Speaker 3: Instagram was blowing up, Facebook was blowing up.
Speaker 5: People were messaging me, is this true?
Speaker 9: Is this true?
Speaker 5: And I just didn't open messages. It was it was
Speaker 5: too much.
Speaker 3: Plus I couldn't say anything, So I still have a
Speaker 3: lot of messages I haven't responded to. But yeah, it
Speaker 3: just it's been a circus for a week. And then
Speaker 3: Wednesday morning, obviously, was the press conference that I attended
Speaker 3: in person along with my brother, two brother.
Speaker 5: In laws, and one of their wives, when.
Speaker 3: It was announced that they found an individual involved in
Speaker 3: Jared's murder. He was charged with four separate things, one
Speaker 3: being conspiracy to commit murder, which indicates there are more
Speaker 3: than one person involved in the state attorney herself stated,
Speaker 3: we know that, you know, Henry Tennant did not act alone,
Speaker 3: so we know more things are coming. How soon, I'm
Speaker 3: not sure, but the fact that the arrest warrant and
Speaker 3: the affidavit is sealed for thirty days, if you believe
Speaker 3: that puts it at the twenty sixth of February, makes
Speaker 3: me believe that there's obviously a reason it's sealed, and
Speaker 3: I would assume it means it has stuff in it
Speaker 3: that relates to other people.
Speaker 5: So I would assume based on that that more arrests
Speaker 5: will come.
Speaker 1: Before then more on that next time.
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