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Speaker 1: what's up. Welcome to Move the Sticks, DJ, Bucky and

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Speaker 1: trust me when we tell you this, this is going

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Speaker 1: to be the best podcast that we've ever done. Without question,

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Speaker 1: done this. This is awesome. UM, I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: kind of share like Urban Meyer, UH, three times national champion, Hey,

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Speaker 1: It is terrific. I can't even wait to share that. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You and I are gonna talk about your quarterback cluster rankings, UM,

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Speaker 1: you're black or white, if you're northern or Southern, if

428
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Speaker 1: you're Christian, your Jewish, if you're I'm so sick and

429
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,560
Speaker 1: tired of hearing all that stuff. That doesn't matter. It

430
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,359
Speaker 1: matters about the characteristics I just talked about the first

431
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Speaker 1: four and that is are you competitive that Nick Bosa

432
00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 1: would never lose in a game of checkers and he's

433
00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:18,919
Speaker 1: just and you've been around guys like that they just

434
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,479
Speaker 1: refused to loose. Tim Tebow I made a mistake one

435
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,080
Speaker 1: time and tried to play one on one basketball and

436
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 1: he almost killed me. You know, he's uh, he just

437
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,240
Speaker 1: never loses. The same with Sam Hubbard. He was a safety.

438
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 1: We converted the defensive end, but he's just he never loses.

439
00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,639
Speaker 1: So Number one is competitive spirit. Number two, are you

440
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Speaker 1: tough guy? Not a tough guy when you're beating you know,

441
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 1: h lower level team? Are you a tough guy in

442
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 1: the rivalry game on fourth down? And you can evaluate

443
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 1: that in high school film? You know, are you a

444
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 1: tough guy? Nick Bosa played his best at St. Thomas

445
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 1: Aquinas in the biggest games. He you know, if you

446
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 1: play good against the team you beat by sixty points,

447
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 1: who cares? That's called a front runner and a bully.

448
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,680
Speaker 1: How do you playing a tough one? Are you intelligent?

449
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 1: You know you can do? This game is too compe.

450
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 1: Football is a complicated game. And every one of those

451
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 1: guys shared incredible work ethic that you know they studied

452
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,400
Speaker 1: the game and those are and then can you lead?

453
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 1: Can you lead those around you? Because you need to

454
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Speaker 1: respect those around you. So every one of them, I

455
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 1: would say, every great player. And you can throw Zeke

456
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,120
Speaker 1: Elliott in there. You can throw you know, j T. Barrett,

457
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow, Percy Harvin, and the number one is the

458
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Speaker 1: competitive spirit of that human being. And those are the

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Speaker 1: you know, I think I saw something yesterday quote from

460
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Speaker 1: old days. If I have a team that's competitive, I

461
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: just have to prepare them. If you have a team

462
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Speaker 1: that's non competitive, then I have to motivate them. And

463
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 1: everybody just wants to prepare your team. You know. Coach

464
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 1: you that's great, you mentioned that, uh early on it

465
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,160
Speaker 1: was all about quarterbacks and wide receivers. That's what your

466
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,479
Speaker 1: expertise is. So I kind of want to take you

467
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,239
Speaker 1: down that road with these young quarterbacks one that just

468
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 1: came out in Dwayne Haskins and another one that people

469
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Speaker 1: are talking about and Joe Burrow. When you look at

470
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Speaker 1: these guys, what is it about them their makeup or

471
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Speaker 1: whatever that allows them to be successful at the level

472
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Speaker 1: that they are in the level that they will be

473
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Speaker 1: at and obviously too great, you know. Joint Askins is

474
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Speaker 1: our best quarterback ever to play don't have state, you know,

475
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 1: and had fifty touchdowns last year and went thirteen and

476
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Speaker 1: one is his only time as a starter. Joe Burrow

477
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 1: was a guy that was not as talented because Joe

478
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 1: Burrow probably played more basketball. Uh, Dwayne was one of

479
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 1: those guys. I just call him Spandex quarterbacks and that's

480
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 1: all they do is play, you know, seven on seven

481
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 1: and you know, put on the spandex and the headband,

482
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Speaker 1: and I think that's what's a good one like that.

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Speaker 1: I'm stealing that one. I'm stealing that. But as a

484
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: junior year, he was the best prepared quarterback I've ever

485
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Speaker 1: seen in recruiting. And people say, come on, I'm saying,

486
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 1: when I watched him work out and throw the football

487
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,360
Speaker 1: at that age, I've never seen a like it. Joe

488
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: was a little bit further behind. You know why. Joe

489
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 1: was also Mr Ohio and basketball and they had a

490
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Speaker 1: great team in the state championships. And you know, he's

491
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Speaker 1: just one of those all purpose, tough guy leaders. And

492
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: so he maybe was not a spandex quarterback but became

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Speaker 1: a great one because he worked so hard at it.

494
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 1: Dwayne's leadership skills were okay, not very good, and he

495
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: became a great leader by the time he only played

496
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Speaker 1: one year, but the last four or five games of

497
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: his career at a high state, he was exceptional, uh

498
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 1: and became much more of a tough guy and competitor. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He's always a competitor, but he became more of a

500
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Speaker 1: tough guy. If you really watched him play the last

501
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Speaker 1: few games, was outstanding. That's why I think he's gonna

502
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: be fine. NFL quarterback Joe Burrower's that's this is a

503
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: no brainer, absolutely no brainer. Now he can he throws

504
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: accurate as Dwayne. He's improved, but he wasn't that way.

505
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Speaker 1: But his leadership skills is toughness, is competitive. You talked

506
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Speaker 1: about a competitive maniac. I mean that's who Joe Burrow is. Coach,

507
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Speaker 1: this has been awesome. We've we've been so generous with

508
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Speaker 1: your time. Just a couple more here. I'm just curious

509
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Speaker 1: when I look at you and coach Saban's success. You

510
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Speaker 1: guys have had and haven't been on all these school

511
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Speaker 1: calls to have strength coaches. You've had Mickey forever, um,

512
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: and then you look at Sabans had Cochrane forever and

513
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: just the importance of that role with the time limitations

514
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: in college football right now, and what what that can

515
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: mean for as you're growing a culture with that string.

516
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Speaker 1: Coach want to be aligned with you and Mickey Maaratti

517
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: and uh is first of all, we're we're built to

518
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: the same cloth. You know. He's a western p a

519
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 1: gum in Northeast Ohio guy. And just you know, when

520
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: I bring that up to say, the respect I have

521
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: are those areas that was built. It's all blue color.

522
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 1: It's all steam ill and coal and iron ore and

523
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: you know, shipping, and that's the way I was raised.

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Speaker 1: You're just you know, you better be tough in those

525
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,719
Speaker 1: areas that you get exposed. And so we and we

526
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: believe in hard work, you know, we believe in giving.

527
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 1: There's no nothing. Respect is not given, respect is earned.

528
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 1: So that's the approach we've had. We're aligned exactly. He

529
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Speaker 1: became an expert in the sports science of player welfare

530
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: and then we took that to the nth degree and

531
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: they still do here. We still do here. But he

532
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 1: is your eyes and your and your heartbeat of the

533
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: of the team and all success. We won three national

534
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 1: championships together and there's zero probability of that happening without him.

535
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: You know, that's how important he is to this program.

536
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 1: And new coach find up one for me. I've heard

537
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,479
Speaker 1: you talk a lot like, not only in this interview,

538
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: but in previous interviews. I always kind of hear you

539
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: talk about toughness, how you talk about the running game,

540
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: how you talk about your influences, whether it's Earl Bruce

541
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: or Lou Holts and those guys. What is it about

542
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 1: when you're thinking about urbermar style of ball and the

543
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: toughness part of it. Why it's toughness so essential to

544
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: being able to win in this game? Well, the game

545
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 1: was about toughness years before we entered the scene, and

546
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 1: I got news years after us this game. I know

547
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: there's you know, spread offenses and and uh, what's the

548
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: other one? Air raid and and all that, And the

549
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: bottom line is that when you start, the objective is

550
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: win conference championships, and then the next is to win

551
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: the ultimate is the national title, and it will never

552
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: be done unless toughness is part of that team. And toughness,

553
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: to me is fight your injury, fight through adversity. You know,

554
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: Toughness doesn't mean a bully, doesn't mean that I'm going

555
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: to go take a cheap shot at someone. To me,

556
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: that stupidity, and that's being a coward. Toughness to me,

557
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: is the guy that is gonna run down on kickoff

558
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: at twenty two miles an hour and hit something going

559
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: the other way at twenty you know, And it's it's

560
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: the guys on punt team. It's the guys that the

561
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: offensive tackles, nose guards. Toughness to me, and coaching, to

562
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: me is getting people. Coaching to me is getting people

563
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: to do the unthinkable the heart. You know, a guy

564
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: that can teach you, a guy how to throw a

565
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 1: corner route or catch a touchdown pass that you know

566
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: Donald Duck can do that, you know, can you teach

567
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: the toughness and demand the toughness. To me, that's a

568
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: great coach, and that's got to be a part of

569
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: your culture because the game I got news. I don't

570
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: mean to disappoint some of these people that think they're

571
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: throwing the balls the only way to win. You know.

572
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: I see some of the hires in the NFL, and

573
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: I see some of the you know, to me, it's

574
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: almost in disrespect to the game of football. Football is

575
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: about love, it's about toughness, and it's about team. That

576
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: is great stuff. Coach, you know, I keep hearing the

577
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: word toughness when with the Baltimore Ravens and scouting department.

578
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: We had speed, toughness and instincts were the three that

579
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: we kind of boiled everything down to. And that's what

580
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: that culture the Baltimore Ravens has been about forever. And

581
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: it's no mystery to me that they've continued to win

582
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: year after year. The players change, it doesn't matter because

583
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: that's where they're where they hang their hat. Uh. Coach,

584
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: I thank you so much for your time. My last question,

585
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: I'll let you run, but I look at you. You're

586
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: so young, You've got such great energy, You've got so

587
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: much to give. Do you miss it? Do you miss coaching? Oh?

588
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: I miss it terribly. I miss There's things I don't miss,

589
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: and there's things that I I missed. I missed the team,

590
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: I missed staff meetings. I missed finding greatness, you know.

591
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: One of the things that you know, there's been criticism

592
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: in the past about giving people too many chances, or

593
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: being too loyal to a player, you know, and those

594
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: keep those coming. Those are criticisms that I believe, and

595
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: I believe in people. I believe in that. I believe

596
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: that everybody's sitting in that room that I'm coaching. There's

597
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: a greatness sentiment. It's a coach's job to find it.

598
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: I don't believe in elimination. I don't believe in you know.

599
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: And that's just the way I've always been. So I

600
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: do miss that, uh, you know the other stuff to

601
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: be honest with, I don't know if I do miss it. Uh.

602
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: And I've been very I'm also strong on my faith.

603
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: I realized I was extremely blessed for thirty three years

604
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: in this great game, and maybe there's other ways to

605
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: help out. So that's been wonderful. Coach. You've been so

606
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: generous with your time. We can't thank you enough. We've

607
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: got a sheet full of notes here that we've taken

608
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: and we really do appreciate it. Thank you well. Like

609
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: I said, uh, you guys, there's times I do an

610
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: interview and I scratched my head and say what planet

611
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: are you? Guys are great coach, this is awesome. Let's

612
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: do it again. Let's do it against a coach. Thanks

613
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: So Friday night, just know that there's a team in

614
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: California in l A that's running to double wink and

615
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: we do it with you and I. It's a toughness

616
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: and all that other stuff. So just no Friday night

617
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: when you're just sitting back Gran out of Gran out

618
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: of Hills chart as John always oh high school. So

619
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: just no, yeah I've been at Gran out of Hills.

620
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So just no, we're running a double winging

621
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: out for last years. We will not throw a pass

622
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: because we wouldn't run it down your throw. So just

623
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 1: know this, No, this one for you. Oh come on, man,

624
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: you got flipping around once in a while. That's a

625
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: toss sleep, that's as sweep. That's what we got. That's

626
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: our great to talk to that coach, coach, coach, coach.

627
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: Last thing, No, Lie, I left that stadium as an

628
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: eighteen year old and said, did I really just see

629
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: Mark Limpkey hit too home runs in this game? Are

630
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: you kidding me? Hit like five hour runs in his career?

631
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: Hit two off Fernando that day. Think about that, and

632
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: he was my uh not next to my roommate, but

633
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: he was my partner. Man. Then he couldn't hit it

634
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: out of the outfield. And then he but he's here

635
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: was a forty second round pick draft pick. How do

636
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: you to Unyork? And he played? That tells you what

637
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: kind of you know the things I just said, tough guy, competitor,

638
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: maniac and I love him to death. That's awesome. Thank

639
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: you so much, coach, have a great day. Well there

640
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: you go, Buck, I mean, and we've had a chance

641
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: to talk with with that sweetie. We've talked with Matt Rules,

642
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: one of the hottest coaches going right now. Um, We've

643
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: had a chance to talk with Mac Brown, with Scott Sadderfield,

644
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: who's turned around louis Ville Eli Drink, which took over

645
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: there at app State. The list goes on and on.

646
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: Of all these coaches, Bob Stoops, who's won national championships,

647
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: We've got them all, and and Buck, this is as

648
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: good as it gets right here with Urban Meyer. I

649
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: mean we we we say we've got a sheet full

650
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: of notes. I mean maybe we have two full sheets full.

651
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: Oh man, so many, so many notes. And I think

652
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 1: DJ like just listening to Urban talk. I mean, obviously

653
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: you understand how he's been able to be so successful.

654
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: You can sense um the leadership. You can sense everything

655
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: that he discusses in the converty. You can sense that

656
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: that that is who he really is when he talks

657
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: about like believe it's sell it demanded. Um, one of

658
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: competitive guys, tough, smart guys, guys that are leaders. All

659
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: of that stuff it comes out. I think for me

660
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: um it's unique because when he was at Utah, I

661
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: was just starting. I was only in my second year

662
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: as a scout on the West Coast and having watched

663
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: that Utah team, and I didn't know much about Utah

664
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: prime to go in there. I knew they had a

665
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: reputation for always kind of being tough guys. They had

666
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: guys that played in the league. Those guys were kind

667
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: of blue Collin hard knows. But then taking what I

668
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: witnessed years ago and watching how tough they were, how

669
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: physical they were, how they played, how they competed, the

670
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: effort that they exerted on the field, and then hearing

671
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: him talk about it, it is It is interesting to

672
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: see when someone's actions from their team matched the words

673
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: that they're constantly talking about. Because I felt like when

674
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: I looked at Utah play under him, it absolutely matches up.

675
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: And then when we talked about his most recent successes

676
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: at Ohio State, those teams were tough, they were physical,

677
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: they played hard. The players that have come from those

678
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: programs have had success in the league because they embodied

679
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: those traits. Um, that was a man that was like

680
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: a PhD and how to build a program, but better

681
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 1: yet it was a pH d. And how to be

682
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: a great leader of any organization. And I thought, look,

683
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: we've we've been kind of carrying the flag for multi

684
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: sport athletes in high school. That's really been kind of

685
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: it's not on our mission statement, but it is something

686
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: that that we're passionate about, and it's just we just

687
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: found another advocate that's on our side on this. With

688
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer talked about his baseball playing career, playing with

689
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: with Ron gant and and Mark Lympke. I know, growing

690
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: up in the South, you're familiar with those old Braves teams, Um,

691
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: So it was neat to hear his kind of perspective

692
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 1: on that, going and watching one of the top linebackers

693
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: in college football right now play high school basketball, and

694
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: that's what kind of sold him talking about Joe Burrow

695
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: being Mr Basketball in the state of Ohio. So I

696
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: love that we continue to hit on that theme over

697
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: and over again. And then Buck, there's there's bread crumbs

698
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: that these coaches leave us. And I thought when Matt

699
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: Rule was on, Matt Rule talked about when we asked him,

700
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: right when you take over this Baylor team, what do

701
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: you say? And he said is exact words were, I

702
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: know you didn't use me, but I chose you. Okay,

703
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: that's I love that line. Well. Urban Meyer then comes on.

704
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: We asked him what did he say to Ohio State?

705
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: The exact same thing, and then he gave us the truth.

706
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: He said, I heard that from Lou Holtz, which David

707
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: Singer are booking department stud who goes out and gets

708
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: us all these great guests the challenges out there. Now,

709
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: we've got to have Lou Holtz on because this is

710
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: somebody that I think a lot of these coaches have

711
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: learned from. So that's next on my hit list. I

712
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: want to get Lou Holtz on here and we can

713
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: talk about how he kind of helped build that culture

714
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: at Notre Dame that had an impact on Urban Meyer

715
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: when he was a coach there, and that's been handed

716
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: down to guys like Matt Rule. I mean, I feel

717
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: like we're on a kind of a quest to kind

718
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: of learn how all these things have come together. Yeah,

719
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's fascinating because I think in

720
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: any way of life, UM, you're always looking for guys

721
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: that you can model their behavior when they've been successful,

722
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: what has enabled them to have consistent success in certain

723
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: areas of their life? And I think we are in

724
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: the football business, and so obviously we are always around

725
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: coaches or team builders, and so when you hear guys

726
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: who have a long, distinguished track record being successful, and

727
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: I think DJ since we've started this project at the

728
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: beginning of the year, I think the one thing that

729
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: has been consistent for everyone has been toughness. And now

730
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: they may define it differently. It is mental and physical,

731
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: but toughness is a big part of being successful, and

732
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: it is I thought he touched on something that was great.

733
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: Are you a tough guy in those critical moments? Not

734
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: when you're better or superior to your opponent, but are

735
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: you a tough guy in rivalry games? Are you a

736
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: tough guy in adverse situations? How do you respond when

737
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: the cards are stacked against you? The toughness part of

738
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,959
Speaker 1: everything really matters. And I go back to Tom Crean,

739
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: and Tom Creem talked about committing the toughness. We talked

740
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: about Matt rule. He talked about a tough program and

741
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: being able to overcome and demanding more the common denominator

742
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: between all of these coaches that have been very successful

743
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: at the level toughness. Yeah, it's so true. And and

744
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: he also a theme we've been able to capture from

745
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: a lot of these different coaches, and you touched onto

746
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: their buck is those tough moments. So quarterbacks flip on

747
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: the tape when you're down in the fourth quarter and

748
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: you've got to make plays, watch watch your best opponents,

749
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: like and we're gonna get into the quarterbacks here in

750
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: uh in my kind of quarterback tears. How we have

751
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: we broke that up. But I do want to mention,

752
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: like the challenge for me in evaluating to a tongue

753
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: of Valoa with Alabama thus far, people will say, well,

754
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: how is he doing? Where would you rate him? I

755
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: don't know. There's so much better than everybody they've played.

756
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: I'll find out. I'll find out that in a month

757
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: when they when they get a chance to play L

758
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: s U, when they get a chance to probably play

759
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: Georgia in the in the SEC championship games, should they

760
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: win the L s U game, and I'll see him

761
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: in two playoff games, like to Ah, the evaluation of

762
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: Toa hasn't even started from me yet. I mean, I've

763
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: watched this tape. I don't know, be honest with you,

764
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: I don't even know what I get out of it.

765
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 1: I freeze the tape at the top of his drop,

766
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: there's there's ten feet of separation all over the field.

767
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: So to me, those those critical moments against tough teams,

768
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: that carries more weight. It's like a weighted g p A.

769
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: How do you do in those games that matters? It

770
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: really does matter? DJ and I think it kind of

771
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: goes back and we've talked about like scouting and how

772
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: if you're a young scout um, how how you kind

773
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: of wait the games Differently. We've talked about robbery games

774
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: and conference championship games and the conference football to college

775
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 1: football playoff games. How it's a different level of weight

776
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: to those games because the stakes are higher. The look

777
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 1: you have to perform in those games because it's a winner,

778
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: go home scenario, and typically you want to see how

779
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: those players respond to that kind of pressure. And so

780
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: for two of look, we can talk about the one

781
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: throw that he was able to make in the National

782
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: Championship Game years ago, but really what you want to

783
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: see is you want to see a long resume of

784
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: performance and tough situations, when you don't have the stack team,

785
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: when you don't have everything going your way, how do

786
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: you perform and though those environments? And when we look

787
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: at some of the other quarterbacks that are going to

788
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: be there, some of those guys have been tasked with

789
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: doing more with less around them. And if you think

790
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: about the teams that pick at the top of the draft,

791
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: those are the teams that are going to ask the

792
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: quarterback to do those things. We want you to make

793
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: miracles happen without everything around it, and do you have

794
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: the intestinal fortitude to deal with it when it doesn't

795
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: go your way? And so um, these quarterback clusters and

796
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: this year, this year, it really will be interesting because

797
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 1: I think you and I not necessarily that we've changed

798
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: as evaluators, but I do believe we value the intangibles

799
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: a little more than maybe we had in the past.

800
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: The guts, the grit, the the ability to bounce back.

801
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: That stuff matters a little more than some of the

802
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: physical attributes that everyone goes crazy about. Um. And and

803
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: that's gonna lead us right to this little talking point

804
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: here on the quarterback clusters. Now, when I did this

805
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: over the summer at fourteen quarterbacks. I put in different clusters,

806
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: different tiers basically coming into the season. This was based

807
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: off talking to people around the league. Um, so I'm

808
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: not gonna I I had four tiers. I'm not I'm

809
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: not gonna go through four tiers. I'm gonna give you

810
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: the two tiers. And how some of the shuffling has

811
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: taken place here at the top. So before the season started,

812
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: this was tier one. It was two, A tongue of

813
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: Boloa from Alabama, Justin Herbert from Oregon, and then Jordan's

814
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: Love from Utah State. That was the Tier one guys, which,

815
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: let's be honest, that's like firmly in the first round. Okay.

816
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: Tier two was from from Georgia. Stanley from Iowa. Burrow

817
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: was six on that list. He was in tier to

818
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: the bottom of Tier two. And that's kind of I

819
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: look at that more like second third round. Uh. Tier

820
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: three Uh was kJ Costello at Stanford who has been

821
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: hurt most of the year, Stephen Montez from Colorado, Shape

822
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: Patterson from Michigan, Jacob Easton, who a lot of people

823
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: scoffed at that he hadn't really done anything. He's Stratford.

824
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: Um from Georgia to Washington. But I I said, look,

825
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: this is from scout to have been up there, and

826
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: there's a lot of buzz building on him and he's

827
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: gonna be one to watch. And then Ian Book was

828
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: the last one in that tier three. Those are kind

829
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 1: of the middle round guys. Then the late round guys

830
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: were Lurky from Michigan State, Jalen Hurts at Oklahoma who

831
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: was the transfer took place and he was more of

832
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: a runner at Alabama. How would that all work out?

833
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: And then Kellen Mond was fourteen. So from that list

834
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: of fourteen guys I have now I've put it into

835
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: two tiers. So I've got one to three guys in

836
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: the tier one and I've got four guys in Tier two.

837
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: So Tier one to me are guys that are firmly

838
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: in the first round and then Tier to our guys

839
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: that are still trying to jockey to get their way

840
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: into that range. Right now, I have them just outside

841
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: the first round. But here's here's what I have. Buck,

842
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: I've still got two at the top of the list.

843
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: And again I mentioned it previously. I don't know. I mean, look,

844
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: I think of myself that I've I've got a clue

845
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: what I'm doing here. Evaluate doing it a long time.

846
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: I don't know how you evaluate the tape at Alabama

847
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: with him at quarterback right now until they start playing

848
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: some better opponents. So he's he's still number one. From me,

849
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: I've got Burrow number two. Burrow has gone from Burrow

850
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: was at the bottom of cluster two. He's number two

851
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: on the list um and then I've got Herbert right

852
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: behind him. And that's very tightly packed there with those

853
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: three guys that could that could definitely evolve and change

854
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: as we get through the scouting process. But what I've

855
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: seen thus far, I have it to a Burrow Herbert.

856
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: Those are tier one players all jockeying to be the

857
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: first quarterback. I think it's a three man race. Then

858
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: I go to tier two. So yeah, I would love

859
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on that. What do you those

860
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: three in that order? Look, Look, I I agree and

861
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: I do believe that there's a faction of folks that

862
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: are gonna end up pushing up Joe Burrow over top

863
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: of TWA. And I think we just go back to

864
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: the conversation that we heard from urban Meyer, and urban

865
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: Meyer talked about um toughness, competitiveness, being able to kind

866
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: of like get out of bad plays or all that

867
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: other stuff you talked about the adversity. But the one

868
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: thing that we know from Joe Burrow we have seen

869
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 1: him have to deal with an adverse situation. He basically

870
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: left Ohio State had to go to l s U

871
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: like they brought the L s U. But I don't

872
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: know if anyone in l s YOU thought that he

873
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: was going to emerge as this player that he has become.

874
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: And then the more that you talk to people that

875
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: were at Ohio State that talked about him, the common

876
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: denominators continue to come out very competitive, very confident, um tough, resilient.

877
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: Then you throw in MR Ohio and basketball. So we've

878
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: talked to a number of coaches that talk about the athleticism,

879
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: multi sport athlete. There are a lot of things that

880
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: are beginning to line up in Joe Burrow's favor over

881
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: some of the other quarterbacks with two I think I

882
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: have some of the same concerns. Um. I don't know

883
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 1: if T will be a guy that if you take

884
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: away the deep balls or whatever, that he's going to

885
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: decide that he can be patient enough over a sustained

886
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: period to be able to consistently beat you like that.

887
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: We've seen that happen sometimes in games and he's gotten

888
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: he's gotten away with it or whatever. Because these guys

889
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 1: are superior. I just have a question about that. So

890
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: I would say to him and Burrow to me, and

891
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: then there's a separation with Herbert. The issue that I

892
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: have with Herbert is I view him as potential over performance.

893
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him consistently in a big game take

894
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: over the game like I would like to think that

895
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: a guy that we view as a franchise quarterback, that

896
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 1: there's a game where you're looking at the game saying

897
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: this guy is the best player on the field, No, undisputed,

898
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: there's not a question. And I don't know if I

899
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: always walk away feeling that when I look at Justin Herbert.

900
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: But look, you you saw him up close and personal.

901
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: What was your feel when you got a chance to

902
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: watch him perform? First of all, you know, look, it

903
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: was very heavily attended in terms of scouts. Miami Dolphins

904
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: were there. They're on their way as I mentioned on

905
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: the show the other day, they're on their way up

906
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: to watch l s U Bama this week. So they're

907
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: doing on their homework on these guys. He wins warm ups. Buck.

908
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: I mean to the point where we kind of talked

909
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 1: about Josh Allen and I talked about it like Josh

910
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: Allen was scouting crack just because of how big and

911
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: strong and and how live his arm was, and he

912
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: could move around. Herbert can move around to now. I

913
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: almost wish he would use his legs more than he does.

914
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: He's a great athlete. Uh he had a nice touchdown

915
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: run against sc but has really been reluctant as a runner.

916
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: Um my concerns, Well, if let me start with the positives,

917
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: let me start with the positives mentioned that, size and athleticism.

918
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: This dude, I just watched all of his third and

919
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: six plus throws. When I'm scouting these guys, I like

920
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: to cut out a lot of bubble screen stuff so

921
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: also I can sort the video. I can watch all

922
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: of his throws on third and six plus where the

923
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: other team knows you're throwing. It's a it's about as

924
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: realistic as you're gonna get at the college level of

925
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: of what you're gonna see at the next level. And

926
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: he makes and we'll get the East in a minute.

927
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: But those two guys make some of the freakiest throws man,

928
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: I mean talking about big power arms. Uh, they could

929
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 1: throw from the opposite hash deep out to no problem.

930
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: So he can make some wow throws. Um, he can.

931
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: He's accurate when he's on the move, when I kind

932
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: of designed rollouts and things like that, the things that

933
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: that I'm just a little bit hesitant on right now.

934
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: And you know, there's still time and do more work

935
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: on him, but you know, just instinctive, like does he

936
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: have a really good pocket feel for feeling pressure and

937
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: sliding around. Um, there's so so many one read throws,

938
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: play action shots. So play action you know exactly where

939
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: the ball is going boom, or you're just in the gun,

940
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: catch and throw, catch rock and throw. Um, it's that

941
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: first read. And I just don't see him oftentimes sitting

942
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: back there sorting through coverage, identifying where he wants to

943
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: go with the football, making a post snap decision. I

944
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: see a lot of pre snap decisions and that look.

945
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: Some of that, it's not a lot of that's not

946
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: his fault. I mean, that's that's the offense and the

947
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: system that they run um there at Oregon. But those

948
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: are those are some of my reservations. I think Burrow

949
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: and Tua are just a little more natural, a little

950
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: more instinctive, little less robotic with how they play. Yeah,

951
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's one of those things that I

952
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: think we're going all the way back to the Auburn

953
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: game when it was a Hail Mary situation. He threw

954
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: it out the end zone, and you're like, man, come on,

955
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: have enough awareness to to give you guys a chance,

956
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: you know, like, just just understand what the situation is

957
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: being the moment and give your your guys an opportunity.

958
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: So I do believe we'll continue to have more conversations

959
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: about that Tier one cluster. I'm really interested to see

960
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: to hear who have in Tier two? All right, tier

961
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: two for me, I've got Jake from is the top

962
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: of Tier two. Um, he was the top of Tier

963
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: two before the season, so he really hasn't moved the

964
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: needle yet. Um, he was good. I haven't watched having

965
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: a chance to watch the tape from last week, I

966
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: was told he played well against Florida, but I haven't

967
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: seen that tape yet. So I had from I have

968
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: Jordan's love, who goes from Tier one down to Tier two.

969
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: But again, you want to talk about some big boy throws. Man,

970
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: you watched the third and six reel on him. You'll

971
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: see some bad decisions. That's the stuff that you need

972
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: to clean up. That's what worries me a little bit.

973
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: But man, uh, he is a loose live arm. Uh.

974
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: So he's number two. Jalen Hurts for me, climbs up

975
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: from the you know, he's at the bottom of tier four.

976
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 1: He was number thirteen. I have him right there and

977
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: I have Easton right behind him. Easton was in tier three.

978
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: He moves up to tier two. So tier two is

979
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: from Love, Hurts and Easton. Uh. That's where I have

980
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: those guys in that second tier. I look, I agree

981
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: with all those guys. I think all those guys should

982
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: be in the conversation. And in fact, um, I think

983
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: we've talked about I kind of call him to top six.

984
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: I have these top six as the guys that are

985
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: serious contenders for me in terms of like guys that

986
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: I would spend a lot of time studying because I

987
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: think these are Yeah, I believe these guys are the

988
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: ones that are starters. Jacob Eeson to me is fascinating

989
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: because man, he's prototypical size, great talent, big time arm

990
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: um look forever reason it didn't happen for him at Georgia.

991
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: He goes to U doub and I think he's found

992
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: a sweet spot. He and Chris Peterson. I think connect

993
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: Jake From. You have to give him credit because this

994
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: dude has fended off all challengers coming from his coming

995
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: from his job. Justin Fields, who is killing it at

996
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: Ohio State, he was able to ward him off. Jacob Eeson,

997
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: he basically took his job. So Jake From has something

998
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: that allows him to compete when everyone is gunning for him.

999
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 1: I think that's something that you can't discount. You shouldn't

1000
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: dismiss it. Um doesn't have the biggest arm but I

1001
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: do believe in the right system you put him in place,

1002
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: he's going to be a solid starter because he just

1003
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: understands how to play the game and there's something to that,

1004
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: and I think some coaches will find comfort and that

1005
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: The wild card of the bunch is Jalen Hurts. Jalen

1006
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: hursts improvement this year has probably been the biggest improvement

1007
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: that I've seen from any quarterback since I've been scouting.

1008
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: I've never seen a guy that um, it was probably

1009
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: dismissed or pegged as a runner. Become a guy that

1010
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 1: you're like, you know what, Jaylon Hursts really really can

1011
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: pass like he he throws the ball really well in

1012
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: this system it works for him or whatever, and I

1013
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: have linked him. Look, Dak Prescott is polarizing on the outside,

1014
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: but to me, he is a Dak Prescott like prospect,

1015
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 1: Meaning whatever you think about Dak is probably what you're

1016
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: gonna think. Abou Jalen Hurts, big, big lower body, physical,

1017
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: can throw it, offers some stuff with his legs that

1018
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: will allow you to maybe extend plays and extend drives.

1019
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: But I do believe he's gonna have to play in

1020
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: the right system for him to have success, and he

1021
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: might need to be surrounded by the right supporting cast,

1022
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: much like a Dak Prescott. But we've seen that work

1023
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. So it's gonna be interesting

1024
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: to see tier one, tier two where these guys stack

1025
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: up and where they kind of come off the board. UM,

1026
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: a lot of teams that are looking for quarterbacks, but

1027
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: then a lot of teams that currently have like young

1028
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in place. It'll be interesting to see where we

1029
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: gray them at and how they're eventually going to be

1030
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: valued by teams that are in need. The only guy

1031
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: you didn't touch on there was was Love, like you

1032
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: talk obviously to talk to him to Gary Anderson, his

1033
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: coach a little bit earlier too. Yeah, so so Love

1034
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: was one like at the beginning of the year, he

1035
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: had a lot of buzz, So you paid a lot

1036
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: of attention to him. And I think for me, I

1037
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: might have stepped back a little bit because of the

1038
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: decision making the turnovers and the light. But we said

1039
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: the same thing about Pat Mahibson, and I don't want

1040
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: to link him too tightly to Pat Mahomes, But there

1041
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: are a lot of scouts that are on the road

1042
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: that because of whatever they they may have made a

1043
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: mistake on with Pat Mahomes in terms of not giving

1044
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: the big grade. Jordan Love is going to be the

1045
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: beneficiary because Geordan Love has some of the similar attributes

1046
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: and trace some of the throws to arm talent. You

1047
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: see him make some wild plays and you I'll worry

1048
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: about us making a mistake of saying like, hey, we

1049
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: saw pet Ma Holmes do this and Pet Mahomes. It

1050
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: was a perfect storm in Kansas City. But I do

1051
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: believe he's going to get into Pat mahomes bounce. I'm

1052
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: just trying to figure out where is that sweet spot

1053
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: in terms of his potential, his performance of production, and

1054
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: where that they're great should be. Yeah, here's the challenge.

1055
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: I mean, in an era where it's it's you know,

1056
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: the numbers should be eye popping, he's upside down touchdowns

1057
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: to pick. So he's got nine touchdowns, twelve picks. Now,

1058
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: they played they played L s U, they played Wake Forest.

1059
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: Those are two teams where they were very overmatched and uh,

1060
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, look look even B y U. They got

1061
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 1: smashed by B y U and he throws for almost

1062
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: four yards, but he throws one touchdown, three picks. He's

1063
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: got a three pick game against B y U, three

1064
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: pick game against L s U which was predictable, and

1065
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: a three pick game against Wake Forest. So um, he's

1066
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: had The numbers are nowhere near where they were last year.

1067
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: To me, Buck, I think you you kind of hit

1068
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: on it, which is you're buying the ability over the production.

1069
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: It's a risky game to play when you do that

1070
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: when you look at the production he has. But God Lee,

1071
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: if you if you have the infrastructure, to work with

1072
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: somebody like this, it's limitless with the talent that he has.

1073
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's easy. Is as talented as any of

1074
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: these guys. Um, but it's a it's not a it's

1075
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: not clear packaging, right, you know, you have to open

1076
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: the box and you gotta put a lot of these

1077
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: pieces together. Yeah, you gotta, you gotta, I mean you

1078
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: gotta put it, put it together. But it's fascinating. I

1079
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: think he's in a situation where, much like Pat Mahomes,

1080
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: if you already have a guy, but you're looking for

1081
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: the next guy. I think that would be a great

1082
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: situation for him where he doesn't have the immediate pressure

1083
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: of having to be thrust into the starting lineup. And

1084
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: I know we'll talk about this every spring, like, hey,

1085
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: to be great for we gotta sit and develop. But

1086
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: we know now in the National Football League that's not

1087
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: what happens. But if they do have an established starter,

1088
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: one that may be a little longer in the tooth,

1089
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 1: it would be a good situation for him to serve

1090
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: a Ritschirt year and then maybe be able to kind

1091
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: of step onto the field after that. Well, we've got

1092
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: Alabama l s U this week. That's gonna be a

1093
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 1: fun game to watch. Uh. I cannot wait to see

1094
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: how these quarterbacks do. I hope to a play is

1095
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: I know, coming off that ankle surgery, there's um a

1096
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: little bit up in the air about whether or not

1097
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna give it a go. But again from evaluation standpoint, man,

1098
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: I sure hope he does play. Uh Penn State Minnesota

1099
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: to other unbeaten's playing this week Minnesota, I mean to me,

1100
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 1: I think that looks a little bit more um about

1101
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: their schedule. I would Uh. I think I'm gonna go

1102
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: with Nitney Lions on that one. We'll see what happens there.

1103
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: But the kJ handler is a player we've talked about

1104
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: before from Penn State who's uh just so explosive and

1105
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 1: uh also has some of that toughness. Doesn't have the size,

1106
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: but uh fast and tough. Good place to start for

1107
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: that little wider, good place to start. He also has

1108
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: a return and he's a guy who has some juice.

1109
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 1: And I think we're not used to see him because

1110
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: the uniforms and Penn State, we're not used to seeing

1111
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 1: guys that are fast. But whenever you pop on the tape,

1112
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: you see him make big plays. Um. Watching him. Haven't

1113
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: known him since m when he's high school. He has

1114
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: really kind of come into his own. Uh, that would

1115
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: be a good game. I do wonder about Minnesota and

1116
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: the competition that they face. But we'll e p J.

1117
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: Fleck hasn't rolling. We'll see if you can continue when

1118
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: they take home pin State. All right, let's get some

1119
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 1: of these questions here, Nebil, You've got a couple of questions.

1120
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: What we got? All right? First one, who do you

1121
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: think is a better QB? Dak Prescott or Carson Wentz?

1122
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: Oh Man, Bucky. We've done this debate. I feel like

1123
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: we've done this debate a hundred times. Um, I'll go

1124
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: first on this because I'm it's kind of a cop out.

1125
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: You're gonna say it's a cop out because I'm not

1126
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: directly answering the question. Um, if I had to go

1127
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: win a game tomorrow, one game, I would take Carson Wentz.

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00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 1: I think Carson wentz best football is better than Dak

1129
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: Prescott's best football. Now, if you tell me you're kind

1130
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: of looking off into the future, I can't dismiss the

1131
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: fact that Dak Prescott, when they line up to play

1132
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: every Sunday, is in uniform and out there on the

1133
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: field and he's playing. I think it's something you know,

1134
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: I talked to Jane Slater earlier this week about it.

1135
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 1: I think he's you know, fifty six fifty eight straight

1136
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 1: starts or whatever. Carson Wentz has has had durability issues,

1137
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: So that to me is something I could see going

1138
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: in Dak's face for if you're looking, Okay, which one

1139
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: of these guys you want to buy in on going forward?

1140
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: But I will stand by the fact I think when

1141
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is at his best, he can reach a level,

1142
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: a higher level um than what that can reach. Yeah, now,

1143
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: I could see that he's more talented, and I think

1144
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: their their draft position um speaks to the talent that

1145
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz has to Carson Wentz was arguably the best

1146
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: college football playing in the draft. Like he had prototypical size,

1147
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:23,959
Speaker 1: he had big time to mentions, he had big time

1148
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 1: performances at North Dakota State, and you saw it. I

1149
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: think Dak Prescott was a little bit more of an

1150
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: unknown at Mississippi State. I do believe some of the

1151
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 1: character stuff is what deemed him down because of the

1152
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: fights and the other stuff that came out with the

1153
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: d UI sum, but I still think he was going

1154
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: to be positioned as a second or third round pick.

1155
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: The difference between the two has been Dak Prescott has

1156
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: been available, and because when you're available and he's been

1157
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 1: steady Eddie, I think there's a comfort sometime for scouts

1158
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: and knowing exactly what you're gonna get. It may not

1159
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 1: be a level performance, but it's a B B plus performance. Well,

1160
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: I can build my team around that because I know

1161
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: exactly what he is. I would say that Carson Wentz

1162
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: is selling is higher because he's more talented, But I

1163
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: think you'll see a steady Eddie consistent performance from Dak

1164
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: Prescott throughout his career because he's he's just kind of

1165
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: that player. Um. I think it really comes down to

1166
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: styles and what you prefer and what you like. If

1167
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: you're trying to hit the home run, Carson Wentz is

1168
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: to pick. If you're into singles and doubles, maybe Dak Prescott. Yeah,

1169
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: he's he's been more reliable. That that's that you can't

1170
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: dispute that. Uh, and Dak is a darn good player.

1171
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: I told Jane this buck Um and we talked about it.

1172
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: I love I love the phrase. I've used it forever,

1173
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: just that confetti test, and Dak Prescott passes the confetti test.

1174
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: For me. I can see the confetti falling on his shoulders,

1175
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: hoisting a super Bowl trophy. He's a He's a championship

1176
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: caliber quarterback in my opinion. Look, man, he he understands

1177
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: how to play winning football. And I think the leadership

1178
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: ability to toughness that we've heard many coaches talk about

1179
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: he has. He has that. And I think maybe his

1180
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: biggest traits maybe his toughness, his leadership ability, his competitive spirit,

1181
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: all of those things that you check off before you

1182
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: get to the physical talent. He has that, and I

1183
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: think that's why his teams tend to rally behind him.

1184
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: And when you're to Dallas Cowboys and you see how

1185
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: it plays out in your locker room, that maybe why

1186
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: they value Dak Prescott more than some people on the outside,

1187
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: no doubt. All Right, No, Bill, what's next? What do

1188
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: you see being the next phase for the Buffalo Bills

1189
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: and GM brandan Bean's process? And do you see him

1190
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: spending in two thousand twenty in free agency? Well, I

1191
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: haven't looked at I haven't looked at the free agency lists. Buck.

1192
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 1: But to me, when I look at what's next for

1193
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: this team, I feel like they've done a nice job

1194
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 1: of kind of building up the trenches of this team. Um,

1195
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: I think you still see them continue to double down there.

1196
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 1: I think this offensive line is uh um is really

1197
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: developed into a pretty good union. I think you probably

1198
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: use another player there. But I would say at this

1199
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: point in time, now it's about adding some more playmakers

1200
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: around Josh Allen. You've done a nice job of investing

1201
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: in the old line, D line. Your defense is all

1202
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: all you know, front to back is really good. I

1203
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: think offensive a little more juice, little more firepower is

1204
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: probably what's next. Yeah, I think so. I think it's

1205
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: all about now putting the icing on the cake. The

1206
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: cake is saw that the cake is tasty, and they

1207
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: have what kind of ice do we want to put

1208
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: on it? And that icing comes into forms of playmakers,

1209
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,919
Speaker 1: And I would say on both sides of the ball,

1210
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: um offensively. Look, I know they've got singletary from you,

1211
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: but I still think they could they could use another

1212
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: big time back. Um. Imagine a guy like I mean,

1213
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: they won't probably happen, but imagine if deandoy Swoff comes

1214
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: out and if he was available, how he would impact

1215
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: that offense. Having some somebody would juice behind Josh Allen. Um,

1216
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: they've tried to wide receiver thing, but another big time

1217
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: receiver or tight en would certainly help. And then on defense,

1218
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: I just think it's another playmaker. Someone either on the

1219
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: front line that can go and get sacks and create

1220
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: disruption or a second level a second level defender, someone

1221
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: that can make plays. Um, we talked about it, man,

1222
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: this is all about turnovers in this game. Someone that

1223
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: runs fast, that can get to the ball and make

1224
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: the ball pop out. Those guys have value. I think

1225
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: Buffalo is missing that kind of playmaker. That is when

1226
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: they go from good to intending status when they have

1227
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 1: more of those kind of players, more of those blue

1228
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 1: players that we talked about. Yeah, get Tremaine Edmonds a

1229
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: little partner there. Um, you see it with Dallas having

1230
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: a couple of those guys. Tremaine Edmonds is a nice,

1231
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: nice building block there. At Oliver upfront, you're hoping he's

1232
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 1: gonna end up being a really, really good player, and

1233
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: then you look in the back En try Davious White.

1234
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: But I'm with you, just maybe maybe an edge rusher

1235
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: would probably be the top of my list on the

1236
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. Get some youth there. But man,

1237
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: I just think a little spice. They've they've done a

1238
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: nice shop building that foundation. Put ale icing as as

1239
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,479
Speaker 1: Bucky said right there. All right, that's uh, that's gonna

1240
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: do it for us to say. I want to thank

1241
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: you guys for listening. I hope you enjoyed this as

1242
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: much as we did. Uh. Great to catch up with

1243
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: urban Meyer and UM get an idea a little secret

1244
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: sauce there. What's going into the programs? Uh that he's

1245
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: built And I know if some of you are listening going, wait,

1246
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: so you guys didn't ask him about USC? Did he

1247
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: tell you not to ask about USC? Did you not

1248
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: want to talk about USC? No, we just didn't. We

1249
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: know what the We know what the answer is going

1250
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: to be to that question. Uh, they have a coach.

1251
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: I'm just happy doing television like we're not we're not

1252
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: investigative journalists. We're not trying to get a rise at

1253
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer. I know what the answer is going to be.

1254
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: That's why we didn't ask it. So anyways, hope you're

1255
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: able to get something out of that conversation in terms

1256
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: of building a winning culture, something he's done every place

1257
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: he's been. All Right, that's gonna do it for us.

1258
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Daniel Jeremiah. Kitchen next time right

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00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,920
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