1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Thank you, my darling flower. It's one more thing. I'm 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: strong and getty one more thing. So I've talked about 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: this on the radio show a fair amount. I can 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: go into more detail here on the One More Thing podcast. 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: This I keep wanting to say Ukraine girl, but it's not. 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: She's not from Ukraine. It's probably no she involved. It's 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: probably a computer bot. If it is a human being involved, 8 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: it's I don't know, some criminal gang enterprise that's ACKed 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: my email and trying to dupe me into one of 10 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: these catfish things or whatever you call these, or like 11 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: a financial scam. Who knows what it is. So it's 12 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: been going on longer than I remember. This was way back. 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: So I got an email from it said hijack, with 14 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of parentheses behind it, like to emphasize 15 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: how exciting it is. My name is TETI exclamation point. 16 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: I live in Ukraine, in k r y v y 17 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: v y r I h. I don't know if that's 18 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: an actual town. I haven't even looked that up. Maybe 19 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: it isn't. I live in Ukraine. I'm searching for love 20 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: and a serious relationship and you. So I got that 21 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: email a long time ago, a couple months ago, and 22 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: you know, we all you get these emails. Everybody gets 23 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: these emails, or I guess I assume everybody gets these emails. 24 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: And I didn't think, well, what's the harm? This is 25 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: obviously a scam. I just want to see which kind 26 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: of scam it is. So I responded, I just said, hey, 27 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: how are you? It responded She responded, Hi, Jack, I 28 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: would like to ask you something else. If I showed 29 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: up your door at five am and ask you to 30 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: go watch the sunrise, what would you do? Would you 31 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: slam the door in my face? Or would you say 32 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: that's sweet but no, or throw caution into the wind 33 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: and go. And I responded to that email several months 34 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: ago with as long as I'm back in time to 35 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: leave for work, sure, okay, so she said, she said, 36 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: so we go to meet sunrise together. You live in USA. 37 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: What's the weather like in your city? How long have 38 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: you been living there? And I didn't respond to that. 39 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: Then I got to a different email. The weather's very 40 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: nice today, baby. We're enjoying warm autumn weather here. It 41 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: would be a nice time to fall in love, A 42 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: beautiful time for love. Oh yes, And then I responded, 43 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: so what part of Ukraine do you live in? Is 44 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: it safe where you are? I thought that'd be interesting. 45 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: How does the bot respond to that? Then she sent 46 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: me the lipstick emoji jack lipstick emoji like she's kissing kiss. Yeah, 47 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: I live in mentions the town. It's safe here. If 48 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: you want, I will write you and share more of 49 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: my life and photos with you. I said sure. So 50 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: that's when it jumped to and I'd forgotten that there 51 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 1: actually was an attempt to hook me that I didn't 52 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: fall for. Honey, I have left my voice recording which 53 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: I made when I was visiting English courses last autumn. 54 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: I made it as an exam in addition to the project, 55 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: which was called Why I Love You and How I 56 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: Love You. I'm reading a wonderful poem to you. It's beautiful. 57 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: It's about how I'm in falling in love with you 58 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: right now. Listen to it and see what you think. 59 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: So there was an attachment. Oh, and that day I 60 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: didn't click on good. So that's what the scam was. 61 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: And then when I didn't fall for that, I guess 62 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: that's when he she it doubled down and started going 63 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: with this is funny. I clicked on this, and it's 64 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: a picture of a different girl than the one from 65 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: the last email, I mean, a completely different human being. 66 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: Are the pictures attachments? 67 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: The pictures are attachments the email, but I don't click 68 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: on them or anything like that. 69 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: Oh, they're They're just part of the email. Okay. 70 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: It's a different girl every time, though, which is kind 71 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: of funny. That's not very that's not you didn't put 72 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: much effort in here. 73 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: She has a very versatile look, Jack. 74 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: Hi, there, my dearest Jack. Do I have your email 75 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: address correctly? I hope so, And once I receive an answer, 76 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: I will write a bigger letter. I love you so 77 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: much and can't wait to hear from you. Okay, fantastic, 78 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: We love me so much. We really barely know each other, 79 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: and I mean really barely. 80 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: This is escalating quickly. 81 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: It is a. 82 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 3: Right. 83 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: Well, that's where this one comes from. And then here's 84 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: another picture of a different young attractive woman. Hello, my 85 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: beloved baby Jack. I am back to you, sweetie, happy 86 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: as always, because weekends are over and I can write 87 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 1: a letter to my precious diamond, to my love and 88 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: my destiny to you, honey, Jack, my sweetheart. I'm a 89 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: bit sad today because I came to the internet cafe 90 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: and I haven't found your beautiful letter for me. It's 91 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: always such a pleasure to see and read your beautiful letters, honey, 92 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: your warm words and thoughtful feelings, and. 93 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 2: Those have been on full display throughout this communication. 94 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: All right. 95 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: It makes me feel like we are meant to be together, 96 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: that fate or destiny has given us a chance. My 97 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: feelings for you have grown into a giant rose of love, 98 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: true beauty, sweet smells, positive thoughts, feelings and bright lights 99 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: at the end of the tunnel. And it goes on 100 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: like this for many, many more paragraphs. Got her which 101 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: one of these? There's like thirty different women here. 102 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: Which is just one? 103 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: There you go, they're a little young. And then a 104 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: random picture of a kitten, a random picture of some flowers, 105 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,799 Speaker 1: a different chick holding your driver's license. 106 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 4: Oh okay, odd, if you're if you're continuing, I just 107 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 4: want to let you know after this, I uh. The 108 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 4: Ukrainian girl love email scandal or scam is a thing 109 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 4: pretty popular. 110 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, so what do you suppose the hook is there? People, 111 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: If you're a really kind of half crazy, desperate, sad person, 112 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: you would think, well, Ukraine's under a lot of pressure. 113 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: It's possible she just. 114 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 2: Reached out. 115 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: Her boyfriend's off fighting in the army. Yeah, I don't know. 116 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: I mean, what what is it about Ukraine that would 117 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: make it? 118 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 4: I'm seeing everywhere that people get emails from Ukrainian girls 119 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 4: and it's to this scam, and it's what are The 120 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 4: article on Reading says, here's how the scam works. They 121 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 4: create initial contact through unsolicited emails. The communication builds trust 122 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 4: by showering the target with attension and affection, also known 123 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 4: as love bombing. 124 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: Okay, you're in. I mean you'd have to be so 125 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: damn near mentally ill to fall for that, but anyway, 126 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: go on. 127 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 4: Then it builds a persona. The scammer creates a compelling 128 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,679 Speaker 4: but fake backstory that's hard to verify, using stolen photos 129 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 4: of attractive people, often models, and also photos of other 130 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 4: things that might be considered beautiful, like a kit Nora 131 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 4: rose mm hmm. Then the third step is moving the conversation. 132 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 4: After you engage for a while, they will push to 133 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 4: have the conversation move from its original platform to a 134 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 4: less monitored one like WhatsApp or telegram. 135 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: Oh what Appy? Why why do they want you on? 136 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: Something like WhatsApp. 137 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: It's it's less monitored, I guess. 138 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: And then and then they but that's that there's encryption 139 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: with what's app. Right, So we get into. 140 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 4: Well, WhatsApp you can create like a phone number, right, 141 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 4: so you can create a completely other form of communication 142 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 4: through WhatsApp. So the next thing, the next move is 143 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 4: they create a crisis. 144 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry, my diamond love you. You reached out to 145 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: someone who doesn't who's too old, doesn't know how to 146 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: do what's app. So yeah, you got auck. 147 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 4: They do say that they sometimes they do stick to 148 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 4: email though here on this like a little subhead. Then 149 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 4: they create a crisis. Once they have ganger trust, a 150 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 4: fabricated crisis will occur. Common scenarios include a family member 151 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 4: fall seriously ill, they've been mugged, or they've been in 152 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 4: an accident, or they need travel expenses, visas or customs 153 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 4: fees to come visit you. 154 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: I want to get that part, So how should I respond? Quickly? 155 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: I'll do a short response to the last email I got. 156 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: The last one I got was to my tender, cuddly 157 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: and such fluffy test bear Jack. I got that one 158 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: this morning. 159 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 2: What's the what follows just. 160 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: About how I've been thinking about you. That's the one 161 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier on the show about I was. I 162 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: was at an art gallery today and I saw a 163 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: painting of two people holding hands, and it reminded me 164 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: of you and I and how we can hold hands 165 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: forever in the future, and blah blah blah blah blah. 166 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: I would or ask chat GPT to do. 167 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: It, But my tender, cuddly and such fluffy teddy bear Jack. 168 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would use chat GPT or just maybe inquire 169 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 4: more about the painting and say that sounds nice or something. 170 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 2: Make it sound like you're kind of falling for it. 171 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: I think I think I want to go full in 172 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: on this. Oh yeah, please to pull in on replying. 173 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 2: My tender cuddly Jack. 174 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: That's I have been thinking about you since I got 175 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: up this morning. I can't stop thinking about you. 176 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 2: You should respond with funny, I was thinking about you. 177 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: As well, and you're a girl, You're good at this stuff. 178 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 2: Funny, I was thinking about you too. That painting sounds nice. 179 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: That painting sounds nice. That's enough. That'll that'll get the 180 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: bot or the person or the yeah, there you go, 181 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: whatever going. I just I want to get to the 182 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: next step. 183 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 2: Of creating the crisis. 184 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: I want to hear the crisis. It's got to be hilarious. 185 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 2: Oh there's yeah, oh. 186 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, somebody, somebody's gonna fall ill, or there's gonna be 187 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 4: some horrific accident that they're gonna need your help with. 188 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 4: And then so it says, following this asking for money, 189 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 4: at this point, the scammera will begin asking for money 190 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 4: off and you know, like a wire transfer and whatnot. 191 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 2: And then once they get the money, they vanish. 192 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: There you go. But I want to just get to 193 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: the ask good, just to see how it works. 194 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 2: Get to the crisis cutch, the chase chick. 195 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: Maybe I can bring that in the future. Anyway, So 196 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 1: we are reading from this email and Hansom put together 197 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: this song about my love affair. 198 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 3: I'm strong and get it to you, Sweetea. 199 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: Now my love and my destiny. 200 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 3: That's you money, Jack Armstrong, my precious. 201 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 4: Arm Strong's brilliant one he's ever done. 202 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 2: Boy, That that beat is sleazy, isn't it. 203 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: I kind of started moving my hips while it's hard 204 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: not to. 205 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 2: You know, this may be one of Joe Getty's best pranks. 206 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: Jack, He's just been doing this for years. 207 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's it.