Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you. Why bow and look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness ding dong
Speaker 1: culture est is calling and you're sort of joining us
Speaker 1: mid discussion Bowen Summer. Well, first of all, can we
Speaker 1: get tactile. We're in and we're loving this place. We
Speaker 1: love engineer Kathleen, who, by the way, has a Grammy.
Speaker 1: She's a Grammy winner. She's a Grammy winner. And not
Speaker 1: to be confused with the two Grammys that are sitting
Speaker 1: on her desk over there. There's two, not even hers,
Speaker 1: not even her. She's just she said to us, mind's
Speaker 1: at home. Not to brag. And I was like, no brag,
Speaker 1: brag if I ever went a Grammy, forget it. Forget
Speaker 1: every conversation. I'm starting my Grammy's at home. But to brag. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: we were in discussion on something. First, let me quickly
Speaker 1: say that I am still glowing. You know when you're
Speaker 1: an audience member and you glow from a performance. I'm
Speaker 1: still glowing from one of the preliminary shows for have
Speaker 1: you heard of Christmas Matt's Christmas Special? That's gonna be.
Speaker 1: I can't say, I can't say we're gonna be. We're
Speaker 1: gonna bleep it out. We're gonna leep it out. I
Speaker 1: saw Matt's show at Joe's Pub. I'm doing the show.
Speaker 1: We can't necessarily say explicitly what it is in detail,
Speaker 1: but if you follow context clues, you can understand. I've
Speaker 1: been working on a project. The Katie's are sleuths after all.
Speaker 1: Um and I just you were fantastic. Thank you, and
Speaker 1: Bowen Yang flew up to be able to see it,
Speaker 1: and that was very kind. I just I couldn't miss
Speaker 1: it for the world because I go to the taping. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: there's a taping. There's a taping. I'm I'm revealing too much.
Speaker 1: It's okay, honestly, like I have something exciting coming out
Speaker 1: at the end of the year. It's sound of a
Speaker 1: big deal for me, and my sister came up to
Speaker 1: support and it is truly. It was truly sister supports
Speaker 1: capital and I was so so so happy, thrilled. It's
Speaker 1: I was in the presence of true talent. It was fantastic. Anyway, Queena, Um,
Speaker 1: you were talking about Bowen feels summer slip from my
Speaker 1: fingers because I wanted I kind of measured Matt into
Speaker 1: going out for a little dancing tonight because we're in
Speaker 1: the same town for one more day, and then who
Speaker 1: knows when the next time we'll see each other will be.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I guess it's gonna be a while. Huh,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be that. That's why I pushed for it, Okay,
Speaker 1: I understand so anyway, but I feel summer slipping through
Speaker 1: my fingers, and I am a little anxious because I
Speaker 1: have like back to school anxiety coming coming different for
Speaker 1: you for that reason. So then what's your argument. Well,
Speaker 1: I've been over summer since Brian, but also it was
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't have the same relationship to
Speaker 1: summer ending because you have very much a primetime television
Speaker 1: schedule which is very back to school. It's just call
Speaker 1: it's just collegiate. It's a collegiate schedule, whereas my schedule
Speaker 1: is more loosey goosey. I only have a regiment to
Speaker 1: schedule for eight weeks of the year. So I do
Speaker 1: love it, Oh my god. But you know what though, Um,
Speaker 1: it's not that it's not that I don't love so er,
Speaker 1: it's just that, um, and I'm so tired, I'm so
Speaker 1: sick of myself saying this but I've spent so much
Speaker 1: summer in New York and I just don't enjoy it
Speaker 1: here period. I understand, girl, but love being here for
Speaker 1: the reasons that I'm here. I love performing. I've been performing.
Speaker 1: I reconnect with my lifeblood. Since says um, well, let's
Speaker 1: just agree to disagree. I gree to disagree on the
Speaker 1: concept of summer. On the concept of summer. I do
Speaker 1: have to make a couple of apologies. Oh, I know
Speaker 1: this is a public apology episode. In fact, the title
Speaker 1: of public apoblic apology. Um. I, for one, I was
Speaker 1: very stupid in thinking that the breastfeeding room at the
Speaker 1: Delta Sky Club was a fun room. UM many, many,
Speaker 1: many katies informed me those rooms are for nursing nursing parents.
Speaker 1: I thought you knew that they were for a nursing party.
Speaker 1: You are being glib and making a joke. You know what.
Speaker 1: I think that the arrative for me this Summari is
Speaker 1: that I'm stupid. I'm stupid. I society is really falling apart. No,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh no, I'm just taking acountability that
Speaker 1: that is something I have to apologize for. I do
Speaker 1: have to apologize for my for Tata I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: because the reason why they need to scrambled eggs is
Speaker 1: because it's hard to make scrambled eggs look fluffy for
Speaker 1: a long period of time if they go untouched. I
Speaker 1: have breaking news about this. What so someone who works
Speaker 1: in design for Delta Sky, Oh my god, God in
Speaker 1: my d m Zara Katie. Yes, And she said, I
Speaker 1: want to tell you that I work in like furniture
Speaker 1: and design and stuff like that. And she takes a
Speaker 1: little triangle chair and she said, I hope you enjoy
Speaker 1: what I do. And I said I do very much. Yes,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And she said, I just want to
Speaker 1: let you know you could tell Bowen the concern was heard,
Speaker 1: and it happened on a good day because there's a
Speaker 1: meeting later. What I am not kidding you had an impact.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. No, But I'm here to maybe resend that.
Speaker 1: I don't think, so don't because I don't want to know.
Speaker 1: The quote that she said was it did not fall
Speaker 1: on deaf ears. Well, that's very nice to hear. And
Speaker 1: you know, we love Delta, the Queen of Malines three Delta,
Speaker 1: it's the queen um. But I have heard from people
Speaker 1: in the service industry who work with eggs specifically, it's
Speaker 1: hard to be girls. It's hard to make scrambled eggs
Speaker 1: look appetizing for sort of sitting out there and no
Speaker 1: one's touching them. Yeah. I mean also, like, I don't
Speaker 1: know about you, but I'm not a picky eater really,
Speaker 1: but with scrambled eggs, if there's even I can't even explain.
Speaker 1: It's like an intangible but like if they're a little
Speaker 1: bit off, I opt out and I will go for
Speaker 1: like a pastry or something. Absolutely, always a sausage patty,
Speaker 1: Always a sausage patty. Finally, this is apology. We put
Speaker 1: forth the theory that Beyonce hate Lizza because Liza was
Speaker 1: not mentioned in the Queen's remix of Break My Soul
Speaker 1: and what in fact, she was absolut luly name checked.
Speaker 1: We heard this through a friend we won't name. It
Speaker 1: was so basically I demanded, so Boonen is apologizing in
Speaker 1: and I will be a part of this apology because
Speaker 1: we are the ones that propagated this on the podcast.
Speaker 1: We did not. Basically, our friend Matt Whittaker said he
Speaker 1: feels and he is a part of the bee hive.
Speaker 1: Perhaps even more so than us. I think he's the
Speaker 1: biggest Bee Hive member that we know. Did you know
Speaker 1: that for all the Griggios which is what they call
Speaker 1: their friend group, I have in l A one year
Speaker 1: for Christmas. It was the Covid Christmas, And what I
Speaker 1: got for all of them was I got them all
Speaker 1: coasters with their favorite person that they stand so like.
Speaker 1: For my friend Gus, I got him Patti Lapone. For Jared,
Speaker 1: I got him like like eight like all Taylor Swift
Speaker 1: album right. Oh my god, I love those coasters. Those
Speaker 1: those were really clutch, so etcetera, etcetera. I think Um Lewis,
Speaker 1: I got Madonna and so um for that Wittaker, I
Speaker 1: got him Beyonce once because I know he's in the
Speaker 1: Hive and it's that iconic like it's like yellow. She's
Speaker 1: in like a yellow get up. It's like Carmen san Diego,
Speaker 1: but yellow on a black coaster, really good excellence. So
Speaker 1: he is, to say the least Beyonce Hive. And he
Speaker 1: said to us the theory that Beyonce hates Lizzo because
Speaker 1: Lizzo wasn't in the Queen's remix, And so we took
Speaker 1: that word as bond we took that words about and
Speaker 1: then we confronted Whittaker on this and refused to apologize.
Speaker 1: I asked for him to send in a taped apology
Speaker 1: and he has yet to do so. He won't. He
Speaker 1: won't do it. I don't think he will. He said
Speaker 1: that the theory originated from the fact that Lizzo was
Speaker 1: on Carpoo Karaoke and told James Cordon that she loves
Speaker 1: Beyonce but that she's never met her, and the fact
Speaker 1: that they're both Houston natives and that Beyonce has not
Speaker 1: reached out to Lizzo means that Beyonce has some has
Speaker 1: some animus. I don't think that's possibly true, because remember,
Speaker 1: Beyonce did post a Happy Birthday Lizzo Instagram. I just
Speaker 1: feel so humiliated. I'm humiliated to share humiliation. I do
Speaker 1: want to just make it clear because some people seem
Speaker 1: to interpret our discussion of Renaissance last week as tepid.
Speaker 1: It was as if we entered the country with derringers,
Speaker 1: because some of these kiddians into terrorists, period, period. And
Speaker 1: you want to what do you want to say about this?
Speaker 1: I just it's one of those things where I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about it too much because it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you heard something completely different, not even it's not even
Speaker 1: the intention, it's literally what was said where we literally
Speaker 1: said it's truly the best album of the year. To
Speaker 1: be clear, it's the best album of the year, and
Speaker 1: nothing will beat it. Oh, absolutely no. For me. I
Speaker 1: have like I've had it on repeat. I think you
Speaker 1: know what happened. I think that we've obviously like marinated
Speaker 1: in it so and felt that the takes on it
Speaker 1: have all been given. And then we recorded that episode
Speaker 1: right after the Chromatical Ball, a concert that we waited
Speaker 1: for for two years and a half two and a
Speaker 1: half years, and then we got to go and it
Speaker 1: was so great and so exciting, and we were with
Speaker 1: someone that had gone that we sort of got into
Speaker 1: the gaga of it all, and of course the tailor
Speaker 1: of it all really took off because Cody had those
Speaker 1: you know, controversial the least thoughts about Taylor but make
Speaker 1: no mistake, ask getting thicker stomping the streets to Renaissance,
Speaker 1: like don't make no mistake, make no mistake. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to make that clear, and I just Renaissance is
Speaker 1: I mean to say that it's a peak of my
Speaker 1: personal life, of Boonen's personal life is putting it mildly.
Speaker 1: We absolutely stand. We are in the beehive. I mean,
Speaker 1: and let's not even get into it like we had.
Speaker 1: We had one beloved reader and actually, you know, Bone
Speaker 1: and I both responded to this instant post because this
Speaker 1: reader was like, Wow, maybe y'all should have not talked
Speaker 1: about Renaissance at all, and I was like, wow, that
Speaker 1: was not that, that was not the feeling, that was
Speaker 1: not what we thought. But if that was this being
Speaker 1: the public apology episode, if that was the if that
Speaker 1: was the vibe that we got put off into the
Speaker 1: energy into the universe because of Renaissance, let's just all
Speaker 1: begin on the same page. No, no, we're all grooving
Speaker 1: like virgos to this one. Oh my god period period.
Speaker 1: We've been delivered dead ass, dead ass dot com. I
Speaker 1: feel sorry for these girls. I just want to say
Speaker 1: that I'm I'm back and I feel so sorry for
Speaker 1: these girls. And we're sleeping real good at night. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, what are you thinking of apologizing for next?
Speaker 1: And we're not doing this the whole episode, but no,
Speaker 1: I just want to I do feel that that we
Speaker 1: we were contrite and now I refuse to be contrite again. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm good. Okay, I've apologized for everything I feel I
Speaker 1: need to apologize for it, and if I do anything
Speaker 1: on this episode that is apology worthy, I want I
Speaker 1: want to apologize for it later. Now this is this
Speaker 1: is a designated time also announced nauseated by the apologies,
Speaker 1: this is the turn where we get to kind of
Speaker 1: take some people to task. We're honesty zone is at
Speaker 1: this time done. We're not doing any more honesty zones
Speaker 1: because it's getting dangerous. Wells, I love that it's dangerous,
Speaker 1: but some of these some of these katies are recording
Speaker 1: the damn lives. Yeah, it's in bad faith and that's
Speaker 1: that's that's I will say. That was not a rule
Speaker 1: that we did not come out and say, please don't
Speaker 1: record this, because that would sound so souss and weird.
Speaker 1: But it kind of I don't know. I think honesty
Speaker 1: zone is on our system. I mean, in the words
Speaker 1: of the Countess, don't be all uncool, don't be recording live,
Speaker 1: don't be all like uncool. I mean, look, here's what
Speaker 1: I'll say. Let's just make a pack you and I.
Speaker 1: Let's get tacked oile for a second for now on
Speaker 1: everything is the honest, everything honestly. I don't need a
Speaker 1: zone for honesty. I brought up the honesty zone of
Speaker 1: my therapist. You did because I need to reevaluate my
Speaker 1: relationship with honesty, okay, and I need to like really
Speaker 1: write about honesty. He wants me to write about honesty.
Speaker 1: And I feel like, you know, I've used little white
Speaker 1: lies as like things to ob skate reality for like
Speaker 1: a very long time, and that we work in a
Speaker 1: business where you kind of have to smile and say no,
Speaker 1: everything's great, right, you know, kind of use subterfuge, deceit lies,
Speaker 1: this little white lies, little white lies to sort of
Speaker 1: navigate and shooting this project was amazing. Every day was
Speaker 1: a dream. There you go, there you go, there you go.
Speaker 1: I love it. So I'm gonna try to be more honest.
Speaker 1: Can I say something about therapy? Yes? Are you really
Speaker 1: loving your therapist? I that we hit a little saggy era.
Speaker 1: I think was it because you felt that there was
Speaker 1: not much to talk about it because you weren't connecting
Speaker 1: in terms of you feel he wasn't helping. I feel
Speaker 1: like there wasn't much to talk about. But lately, there's
Speaker 1: been plenty to go through, and I think he's really
Speaker 1: he's truly the smartest person I've met, besides you and
Speaker 1: Sudy Girl A girl. Well you know that. I don't
Speaker 1: know if the readers know this. Oh I just said, Okay,
Speaker 1: can I say something. It seems like the reader's Katie's, publicists, etcetera.
Speaker 1: Are rejecting Katie's Katie's the spelling or the whole name.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It just feels like there's some hesitance
Speaker 1: to be called Katie's. Let's just try it out for
Speaker 1: the rest of the month. Let's just try and see
Speaker 1: how it feels Katie's. We're trying to evolve as a podcast,
Speaker 1: not of all, but just like we're trying to keep
Speaker 1: it fun. We have to just it's a renaissance era, y'all.
Speaker 1: We've been doing this for first like six and a
Speaker 1: half year. We have to change, to switch it up.
Speaker 1: We have to be like the Queen of reinvention. Say
Speaker 1: it with me, Christine. Alright, So, I don't know if
Speaker 1: the Katies know this. I have two therapists, that's right,
Speaker 1: which I at first shocked me. But I kind of
Speaker 1: love as long as it's working for you. It is
Speaker 1: because Okay, so this is how it started, which is
Speaker 1: not uncommon by the multiple many people I know have
Speaker 1: multiple therapists. All right, So that makes me feel better
Speaker 1: because I feel as though, so basically what happened was
Speaker 1: I started therapy, and what I'm told is you're supposed
Speaker 1: to sort of speed your theories, you know, like you
Speaker 1: have a couple of sessions, and then one of them
Speaker 1: will sort of search to the front of the pack.
Speaker 1: I love them both, that's amazing. And one of them
Speaker 1: is very it's giving trouble and well, they don't know
Speaker 1: about each other, and I have a feeling like, what
Speaker 1: is it going to come up giving double blind trouple
Speaker 1: that it's giving the sea That's no, I don't think
Speaker 1: it is, though, do you think either of them would
Speaker 1: sort of I don't know much their pearls, so they're different.
Speaker 1: So one of them is very like Eagle Rock, like
Speaker 1: Crystal vibes. There's a pillow that says but full, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean it's like, and I feel more
Speaker 1: emotional with her, and then the other one is more clinical,
Speaker 1: ask questions, queer woman, you know what I mean that
Speaker 1: I have and also like I see them both bi weekly,
Speaker 1: so I schedule them on uh, I see one one
Speaker 1: week and then another the other week. So it's like
Speaker 1: I go weekly, but with the other one, I option
Speaker 1: off and on. And it's not like I'm working on
Speaker 1: one particular issue in my life that I need to
Speaker 1: have a through line with either of them. It's kind
Speaker 1: of just like I sit down to therapy and I
Speaker 1: talk and what comes up gets discussed. So in that way,
Speaker 1: it's not rubbing, it's not rubbing, it's not bumping. But
Speaker 1: do you ever find yourself on certain weeks where you
Speaker 1: have Eagle Rock Lady and you're like, I wish I
Speaker 1: had clinical Queer Never, I'm always excited to see either
Speaker 1: one of amazing. Yeah, then I then there's no notes.
Speaker 1: Then I have no No, I'm just gonna keep doing
Speaker 1: it because it's feeling good. And if you're paying weekly anyway,
Speaker 1: if you're paying roughly the same as you would if
Speaker 1: you receive one therapist weekly, then why not. I will
Speaker 1: say one of them is much more expensive than the other,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter. No, it's fine, and it's interesting
Speaker 1: that the one is more expensive than the other. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I probably shouldn't be talking about I don't. I don't. Okay,
Speaker 1: so get this, this is an interesting thing. So one
Speaker 1: therapist says to me, I want you to know I
Speaker 1: watched your series and I was like, oh, thank you
Speaker 1: for watching, and she goes, yeah, I think you're great.
Speaker 1: I think it's really good. I watch it with my
Speaker 1: wife and then she goes about four or five weeks later,
Speaker 1: she said, so, me and my wife were watching Fire
Speaker 1: Island and she said, isn't not that actor from the
Speaker 1: show and this can't My therapist said, oh, yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess that is. And she's like I had to pretend
Speaker 1: like I didn't know you. And I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: so you have you You can't even be honest with
Speaker 1: your partner about like, oh yeah, I have that person
Speaker 1: in therapy and she goes, no, that would be breaking
Speaker 1: I guess the code or whatever, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. I would not be able to keep that secret.
Speaker 1: That's where you're not a therapist big mouth big mouth.
Speaker 1: I apologize for being sort of like I think I
Speaker 1: just gasped when you told me. A couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, what, but this makes total sense.
Speaker 1: What about the therapist? But having to I'm obsessed with therapy,
Speaker 1: and you know what, chill you need to watch therapy,
Speaker 1: A couple of therapy on Showtime with the Queen or
Speaker 1: a gram or no. I mean, come on, this woman
Speaker 1: is not only a great therapist. And the way that
Speaker 1: they do the camera set up. If any readers are
Speaker 1: Katie's whatever you gets, are comfortable being gold, um watch
Speaker 1: the show. You know what I'm saying, Like it's just
Speaker 1: an actual therapy session because the cameras are back behind
Speaker 1: the walls, so it can you can really just watch
Speaker 1: them be in the therapy session. Um. But this woman
Speaker 1: is not only a great therapist, but pops on cam.
Speaker 1: She's like a Robin Wigert very much that Wow, congratulations,
Speaker 1: you really are a thank you. She's played multiple therapists.
Speaker 1: I guess you're right, and big Little Lie. And then
Speaker 1: it's something else recently that's come out. Oh my god, wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: I totally forgot about she was in something else where
Speaker 1: she was I was like, okay, this is this is
Speaker 1: type I guess, yeah, yeah, wow, yeah, I mean that's
Speaker 1: soft lighting in her office. Her voice is so perfect.
Speaker 1: I can't even remember long of that was an iconic show.
Speaker 1: My god, oh my God, one of the nominees for
Speaker 1: Best News. We heard Big Little Season too. She wasn't
Speaker 1: she should have been in it. It was missing her.
Speaker 1: Oh she was, she was in it, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1: I mean it didn't have the engine to like involve
Speaker 1: her as like the cold was still seeing her, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't. There wasn't like the urgency right right, which
Speaker 1: I could kind of say for the whole second season,
Speaker 1: I kind of became a soap and I love soaps.
Speaker 1: We love soaps. And then shower do you want to
Speaker 1: talk about morning show? I The only big new as
Speaker 1: I've heard is that John Hamm has added to the
Speaker 1: cast as a rate. And someone who works in production
Speaker 1: contacted me and was like, and this is what they said.
Speaker 1: They said, I want you to know the third graders
Speaker 1: are working over time on the season, Like I'm third
Speaker 1: graders are on set this season. Yeah, the third punching
Speaker 1: a live punch up, doing live punch up. John Hamm
Speaker 1: demanded it, John John John Hamm is a Katie is
Speaker 1: demanded it. And then the third graders are like literally
Speaker 1: like booting ground producing just being like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we let's actually like strike this. Put that in there.
Speaker 1: Do that through this. Oh my god, I love it.
Speaker 1: So I just voted for the Emmys. Yes, and who
Speaker 1: did you vote? I voted for you. Okay, you didn't
Speaker 1: have to. I voted for you, sister. Thank you, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. And I have to say, um,
Speaker 1: when I got to Lead Actress Drama and I saw
Speaker 1: Bradley Jackson on the damn Balloch almost clicked it, no
Speaker 1: Melanie to Oh my god, I hope she wins. I
Speaker 1: hope so too. But that's a stacked category. I think
Speaker 1: it isn't damn it do it again. Yeah, there's blows
Speaker 1: around the money though, And you have to remember those
Speaker 1: working actresses, like everybody loves them. Everybody loves them, the
Speaker 1: industry respects the hell out of them. I actually think
Speaker 1: Melanie is gonna win in a landslide. I can't wait.
Speaker 1: I'm excited. Yeah, I mean, like, if you want to
Speaker 1: call them precursors, I guess. But like she's won so
Speaker 1: many of the awards wile we were there when she
Speaker 1: won the critic she wan Hollywood Critics Association, different DIFFERENTESCE
Speaker 1: was that that h A or A? Yeah? I got nominated,
Speaker 1: but I don't I didn't get invited to the ceremony.
Speaker 1: I don't think you lost, and sorry about that. That's okay.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry to this man. Sorry to this man.
Speaker 1: I it's I'm I'm taking my mom to the Emmys.
Speaker 1: Are Yeah, and it'll be nice. And she's not gonna
Speaker 1: know what the hell is going on. She doesn't watch
Speaker 1: any of the shows. But I'm just happy. She's like,
Speaker 1: I'm just excited to see what it's like. I'm like, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's so fun. That's such a great thing. That's so
Speaker 1: tom cruise of you. I think it's a thing like
Speaker 1: everyone brings their mom to No, that's so great. I
Speaker 1: feel like that's a really really good vibe to like.
Speaker 1: And then she'll be there when you lose to Brett
Speaker 1: and it will be so medazing. She won't know what
Speaker 1: the hell she'll she'll just be You're gonna lose to Bratt. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I'd be happy to lose to any of them. All
Speaker 1: great nominee category brothers. I think that you are going
Speaker 1: to get nominated every year, and they're gonna be I
Speaker 1: and when you went on your nineteenth nomination, because you'll
Speaker 1: be at s n L for a nineteen everyone's gonna
Speaker 1: absolutely weep and they're gonna say bo when yang Boh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Keenan hasn't won one is he's such a legend. But
Speaker 1: didn't he win an Emmy for writing the song with
Speaker 1: he Wants? So he is an Emmy with him? Chris
Speaker 1: brad and Will Stephen a winners. We love what I'm
Speaker 1: saying for for acting. I know this is a man
Speaker 1: who can do it all. He should really have like
Speaker 1: a Hollywood Walk of Fame stars he did. He just
Speaker 1: got you know what. That's why it was in my head.
Speaker 1: Good for him, I mean, talk about a deserving person.
Speaker 1: And upcoming guests on the pod. Jennifer Lewis also got one,
Speaker 1: and I got to be there at the ceremony, sat
Speaker 1: next to Andy, sat next to Brandy Norwood herself, and
Speaker 1: she turned to me and she said hey, and I
Speaker 1: was like, Hi, I am such a huge fan names Matt.
Speaker 1: I'm on the show with Jennifer And she said, oh.
Speaker 1: She told me I'm not allowed to watch it unless
Speaker 1: she comes over with me, but we're gonna talk. We're
Speaker 1: gonna ask Jennifer next week that you have to go
Speaker 1: watch the show with Brandy so that she can see
Speaker 1: Matt well okay. So it was so funny because she
Speaker 1: was giving the best energy. She She had her camera
Speaker 1: taking videos of Jennifer as she kept screaming yes, Auntie, Yes, Auntie.
Speaker 1: I love it. I honestly, I turned to Vanessa, who
Speaker 1: was on my left, I was like, I have to
Speaker 1: tell you, like, I fucking stand like since since since
Speaker 1: I never sitting up in my room since the beginning,
Speaker 1: since the Moisha, I mean, thank god they put Mosha
Speaker 1: on Netflix too. I used to fucking take Mosha to
Speaker 1: the Danny Brandy is a talent, one of the best
Speaker 1: singers in modern stree. But I mean when she sat
Speaker 1: down next to me, I was like, I really was
Speaker 1: living my life and she was giving the best vibes.
Speaker 1: And I didn't know that she was close with Jennifer,
Speaker 1: but Jennifer is that vibe. She said, she's a hub
Speaker 1: in the wheel. Yes, And Debbie Allen gave one of
Speaker 1: the speeches. It was amazing, Are you kidding me? Debbie,
Speaker 1: Mark Shaman and Debbie Allan because Mark Shaman is like
Speaker 1: one of her best friends. Did they work together ever?
Speaker 1: They did? Actually, so from way back in the day,
Speaker 1: you know how Jennifer started was and she'll talk about
Speaker 1: this when she comes on the pod. I'm sure we'll ask.
Speaker 1: But she was one of Bette Midler's backup singers. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, yes, that's how she got her big break.
Speaker 1: So she was like touring with Bet like seventies eighties,
Speaker 1: Bet like eighties Bet. I love eighties Bat. She's got
Speaker 1: some great songs. Yeah. And if you read Jennifer's book
Speaker 1: or listen to the audiobook, even better, the mother of
Speaker 1: Black Hollywood. And she's coming on to promote her new book,
Speaker 1: which is called Walking in My Joy in These Streets, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, her publicist need to send the book. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would love to read it. We have to read
Speaker 1: it before she comes on, please, because you know we
Speaker 1: read the book like Sonny Houston while I read the book, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, did we tell the readers and the
Speaker 1: katies that I did that impression for her? Yeah, no
Speaker 1: we didn't. I don't think we did. So when we
Speaker 1: were when we did the view, Bowen literally says to Sonny,
Speaker 1: Matt does an impression of you. I didn't say that
Speaker 1: you did? You did? You did? Oh my god, you
Speaker 1: were like, that does an impression of you? And she
Speaker 1: turned to me and She's like, well, what is it
Speaker 1: And I said, well, I read the book. She loved it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because we had just talked about how she we can reveal,
Speaker 1: was the only one that watched the movie. She watched
Speaker 1: the movie. I think that's it. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: think Anna was. I don't know if I had to
Speaker 1: watch the movie. And Anna was just like I was
Speaker 1: so excited about Margaret Show. Yes, Anna was like, we
Speaker 1: said Margaret Show and she lit up. And Whoopee was
Speaker 1: didn't watch the movie, but was very supportive. She was
Speaker 1: so supportive of it and very excited that Joe had
Speaker 1: written it. Yes. Yes, Whoopy said many times how important
Speaker 1: it is to create your own work. And she is,
Speaker 1: of course the solo show icon self starter number one.
Speaker 1: The fact that that's still like like gets gets her.
Speaker 1: Like that just the concept of someone being a self
Speaker 1: starter like the Joel is like, that's that's that's amazing.
Speaker 1: She was beaming off camera about it, and she really was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got we We did like a little reception that night,
Speaker 1: and she was so effusive and so nice to us
Speaker 1: and yeah, like this she she just she's not stray
Speaker 1: too far from her values. I would say, no for
Speaker 1: for for the length of her career anyway to her
Speaker 1: principles are still there, which are like, you know, you
Speaker 1: got it, like you have to make it happen for yourself.
Speaker 1: And then she said something interesting. She's like, she goes
Speaker 1: because they're not checking for us. And then I think someone,
Speaker 1: maybe it was Sarah, said well, they're checking for you,
Speaker 1: and then Whoopy goes but never first and that just
Speaker 1: to know that, like you know, who be Goldberg. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god, right anyway, Okay, Jennifer Lewis, Oh, I
Speaker 1: was talking, So we were starting we were talking about
Speaker 1: soaps and were you transitioning into housewives. There's much to say,
Speaker 1: There's much to say. There's so much to say. We're
Speaker 1: recording this episode before we get to Aspen, which is
Speaker 1: like Beverly Hills is about to really pop off apparently
Speaker 1: in Aspen. But I want to say something and I
Speaker 1: want to direct it at Lista Arena, who I've always
Speaker 1: you know, sort of appreciate it as like the fun
Speaker 1: villain of the show sort of getting conflict. She keeps
Speaker 1: saying on the show that, um, she's getting herself, cutting
Speaker 1: herself slack and giving herself quote unquote grace because her
Speaker 1: mother just passed away. And I have all the sympathy
Speaker 1: in the world for Lisa Arena for the death of Lois.
Speaker 1: She seemed like an incredible woman and I know they
Speaker 1: had a close relationship. This is just a global note
Speaker 1: I have for everyone in the world. You cannot use
Speaker 1: your grief as an excuse to treat people badly. And
Speaker 1: I think it's gross. It's it's a it's an organizing
Speaker 1: principle for her right now or when they were shooting
Speaker 1: this season, because I would say her instinct a lot
Speaker 1: of the time is to dominate, and so I think
Speaker 1: that's what's happening. Because I'm actually watching because you and
Speaker 1: I are both rewatching season four of Potomac, and Karen's
Speaker 1: parents died within six months of seven months of each
Speaker 1: She is deeply grieving, and I would say she does
Speaker 1: not give herself carte blanche to like be monstrous to
Speaker 1: people because Lisa Is can I say, Beverly Hills really
Speaker 1: bum bummed me out this season overall, and I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm saying past tense because it's almost there. I just
Speaker 1: think no one's like, no one's really like, no one's
Speaker 1: really that sympathetic or at least no one is that
Speaker 1: like person to me where I can be like, well,
Speaker 1: at least I like them where I'm watching whereas I'm
Speaker 1: watching Potomac now past seasons and even like i rewatched
Speaker 1: the season six episode where Wendy pops off at Gazelle
Speaker 1: and Robin, and I'm like, see, I love the show
Speaker 1: because and I've said this before, Baseline enjoy all of
Speaker 1: them as people, even Gazelle when she sucks up, like,
Speaker 1: she's still really funny. She's still so funny. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: and I was talking to some people when I was
Speaker 1: posting about Potomac on my stories, like overall best vibes
Speaker 1: of any city franchise in my opinion, But anyway, Beverly Hills,
Speaker 1: I'm like, God, each of them are a little just
Speaker 1: just a little like gross to me. You know. The
Speaker 1: thing is like, and here's the deal, It's like ze
Speaker 1: Way tweeted this, and I thought that it was very apt.
Speaker 1: So essentially, all these women are characters on a television show.
Speaker 1: And ze Way said the reason why Lisa Vanna is
Speaker 1: not working on this season is because her character is
Speaker 1: not grounded. She has no motivation, like she'll be in
Speaker 1: one scene and apologize and say I have to get
Speaker 1: over some things and I know I'm being out of control,
Speaker 1: and then in the next scene she'll be a complete monster.
Speaker 1: And then the same scene, after she broke down at
Speaker 1: the Homeless not Toothless party, she fucking sorry she like
Speaker 1: homeless not toothless. That eight minutes of TV was iconic.
Speaker 1: It does make the whole season worth it. Please there was.
Speaker 1: It honestly harkened back to ugly other pants, like almost
Speaker 1: but it's better than early weather pants to me. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, like, in terms of a sequence of television,
Speaker 1: these women dressed up for a disco party for to
Speaker 1: celebrate a like are in a beauty launch for the
Speaker 1: second time, like them dressed up in this garb arguing
Speaker 1: about the title of a charity the order if it's
Speaker 1: toothless not homeless or homeless not toothless, And it's just them,
Speaker 1: all of them, saying it over and over again, and
Speaker 1: it's it's it's literally Kristin Shaw is a horse like
Speaker 1: they just keep saying it, and so it gets funny
Speaker 1: and then unfunny and then funny again, and it's so
Speaker 1: insane to me, homeless notime, I'm sick of it, and
Speaker 1: then I love it, and then I'm sick of it
Speaker 1: and it's it's incredible homeless not toothless. And then I
Speaker 1: have to say, I've said it so many times that
Speaker 1: I did go to the website and almost make it
Speaker 1: there you go, but then I found out they have
Speaker 1: like a bad they have like a bad rating from
Speaker 1: like there you go charity, charity dot com or whatever.
Speaker 1: Those two reps at the dinner that was us, That
Speaker 1: was us. That was very watching. I think they're playing
Speaker 1: plots of jet them. I mean, ultimately those ladies just
Speaker 1: silently just like just like and then I loved in
Speaker 1: the last episode when they're like Dory was like you
Speaker 1: guys can leave, like you don't have to sit here,
Speaker 1: and they were like we don't know if we want
Speaker 1: to leave or want to stay, like this is wild.
Speaker 1: And then Melissa Ethridge coming out. Can you imagine like
Speaker 1: Garcela was absolutely so bummed out that Melissa Ethridge. I
Speaker 1: just listened to them scream or maybe she didn't was
Speaker 1: she She was not under the fucking cloth the whole time.
Speaker 1: She wasn't under the cloth. Kathy was like under the cloth.
Speaker 1: I did stand when Kathy said, I've worked with the home,
Speaker 1: I've worked with the toothless. I mean, as as a
Speaker 1: gawker did a great article. I think it was Kelly Conor. Boy,
Speaker 1: it's time to press the factory reset button on Kathy.
Speaker 1: It's it's tough. We're going to see how this the
Speaker 1: rest of the season turns out. But I will say
Speaker 1: it was shocking to watch watch What Happens Live when
Speaker 1: they played that game which was setting her up to fail,
Speaker 1: but she did fail, which was do you know this person?
Speaker 1: And they showed a picture of Lizzo and she wins
Speaker 1: at the screen said I can't see it. Who is
Speaker 1: that precious? And then some people said, well, she probably
Speaker 1: thinks it's preciously the model who like does bear a
Speaker 1: resemblance to Lizzo. But I think I think she was
Speaker 1: trying to make a joke and was you know, it
Speaker 1: was a racist When you tell someone I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like emperson you close. It's like when
Speaker 1: you sort of like kind of love or celebrate someone
Speaker 1: for being like I don't know, like ignorant, that of
Speaker 1: touch that way, it's it's setting them up for something awful.
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is she was not celebrated for
Speaker 1: this one. I mean, she was dragged on Twitter and
Speaker 1: even issued an apology, and she said in the apology like,
Speaker 1: my eyesight is bad. My eyesight is bad, but that's
Speaker 1: not the point. I mean. So we will see how
Speaker 1: this goes with Kathy, because apparently something major happens with
Speaker 1: Kathy Hilton and Aspen. It's right where Kyle freaks out
Speaker 1: at her. But did you see so sometimes in the
Speaker 1: edit they hint at this stuff. So there was a
Speaker 1: moment in the last episode of Beverly Hills where she's
Speaker 1: talking to someone and she says, you know, Rick, her
Speaker 1: husband says to me all the time, you have to
Speaker 1: be careful what you say because if you say the
Speaker 1: wrong thing. And you have to wonder why was that
Speaker 1: in the episode, because they're probably hinting that something is
Speaker 1: about to happen because they just took that snippet of
Speaker 1: casual conversation rights and put that in there. That's like
Speaker 1: that kind of politically says something about her. And you
Speaker 1: remember that scene where Diana says to Garcella, you're the
Speaker 1: coldest of the bunch. I feel like I can't get
Speaker 1: to know you. And Garcella's like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: And then Kathy laughs. When Renna starts to get involved,
Speaker 1: you can see Rinna and Erica decide that Kathy is
Speaker 1: the next on their list. I think because to target. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because Kathy laughed at them because she thought they were
Speaker 1: being as stupid as they were being. Yeah, I'm so
Speaker 1: where Erica, Jane I, me and Pat Regan share have
Speaker 1: us in comment. Never really Erica fans to beginning, I
Speaker 1: always like Dereka, and then when everything happened, I was like, actually,
Speaker 1: at the beginning, I remember when we get Cecily on.
Speaker 1: Cecily was very America. I wonder what she is now.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would love to talk to Cecily
Speaker 1: about this, but I can't imagine that Cecily, being the
Speaker 1: rational person she is and very like nuanced in her
Speaker 1: thinking when it comes to housewives and things in general,
Speaker 1: that she can sympathize much longer with the whole Erica situation.
Speaker 1: Just the behavior is so rotten, it's not good, and
Speaker 1: like that moment, I mean, you want to feel bad
Speaker 1: for her, but then I go, she's also just a monster,
Speaker 1: where she's like, look at this, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be here I'm gonna have this life. Look at my life.
Speaker 1: I don't mean while she's living in a fucking like
Speaker 1: like like truly Hancock Park. You're not like, yeah, you're fine.
Speaker 1: She's She's actually fucking Fontine up in here. She acting,
Speaker 1: she's acting like Fontine. You think she was Fontine, toothless homeless.
Speaker 1: Fantine was home looked toothless. Toothless. Fantine was homeless and truthless.
Speaker 1: Literally had to sell her teeth for pennies. I can't
Speaker 1: think about Fantine. I'll get too sound, you know if
Speaker 1: I get into Fantine. Honey, Wait, tears are coming. You
Speaker 1: want to know something. I'm getting really emotional about just
Speaker 1: life in the world. I look at my damn nieces.
Speaker 1: I turned a corner with my nieces. Not that it
Speaker 1: was ever like Aunt Tiny, Well, remember when you hated
Speaker 1: your nieces. I never hated it, But I was kind
Speaker 1: of like Ellie's being a little like in her terrible twos.
Speaker 1: Ellie was being kind of and she was stressing at
Speaker 1: my sister and my brother in law, and I felt sorry.
Speaker 1: Children are hard to love in their terrible to period period.
Speaker 1: Children will listen, and children are hard to love in
Speaker 1: their terrible twos. Honey, the way I'm going to see
Speaker 1: into the woods again on about it? Can you go off? Okay,
Speaker 1: but talk about your nieces. Well, first, I just this
Speaker 1: is into the woods. This is business leads into into
Speaker 1: the woods and at them and I just go, oh
Speaker 1: my god, the things you say juding us, and I
Speaker 1: just think they're so wonderful and I believe they are
Speaker 1: the future. Well they're so, I will say again. And
Speaker 1: I don't like to just boil kids down to their
Speaker 1: looks like this, because I know that can be damaging.
Speaker 1: But these girls are staring. I vowed to never comment
Speaker 1: on their looks until they're gay, until they're like sixteen,
Speaker 1: and then be like, hey, hon, I know I've never
Speaker 1: said it before. Mama, you're starting, Mama, slay I since
Speaker 1: you were born, they are well, you know, I just
Speaker 1: I'm more and more aware of the fact. Like like
Speaker 1: I like I was at home with my sister, my
Speaker 1: brother in law, the nieces, and my parents, and like
Speaker 1: it was really nice to have everybody there, and I
Speaker 1: was able to appreciate, like it it was nice for
Speaker 1: every instead of reverting, which I usually do, want to
Speaker 1: go back home, like a lot of people do. I
Speaker 1: we all were just able to focus on the girls
Speaker 1: in some way at least, which was nice, and appreciated
Speaker 1: my parents and your parents thing, and appreciated my sister
Speaker 1: and the way she parents. And then I just think
Speaker 1: that it made me understand and remember that children absorb
Speaker 1: the emotional environment they're in, and I'm like, damn, like
Speaker 1: it sucks that they're growing up in a time where
Speaker 1: everything is terrible. When do you think your sister will
Speaker 1: tell the girls that you're a sodomite? I think tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna call you tonight and say, Mama,
Speaker 1: tonight is the night the night tell the girls I
Speaker 1: take it but style, but style, I take a butt style.
Speaker 1: And then you tell the phone like this done, and
Speaker 1: you go okay, Joshua, Henry, Pippa Sue, Sarah Barella O
Speaker 1: Pippa Sue? Are are we calling her Pippa because her
Speaker 1: name is Philippa? Her name is Philippa. But she goes
Speaker 1: to she goes to most people. She she goes, She
Speaker 1: turns to me, she goes, you can call me Pippa. Seriously,
Speaker 1: she did that? Yeah me? Did you actually meet her? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I've better multiple times. Oh my god, what I d
Speaker 1: m her like a freak. I don't know she she
Speaker 1: has to understand the impact she's had on cultural stas,
Speaker 1: unless cultural stas even she should come on. She's she's
Speaker 1: got to come on. She is. I also fucking stand
Speaker 1: her husband. Did you see Bridges? I never saw Bridges. No,
Speaker 1: this was like it was giving capital L capital M
Speaker 1: leading man like Broadway voice and fucking just stack. No o,
Speaker 1: my god, it's crazy, or like that's a star, handsome man,
Speaker 1: amazing voice, amazing after you're like, this is unfair. The
Speaker 1: tony snub that was should have been heard around the
Speaker 1: world for Bridges. Oh it was. It was horrible. This
Speaker 1: was back when I was like still like I like
Speaker 1: it wasn't seeing that many shows because I just didn't
Speaker 1: have it, like the instinct like the biggest for grad
Speaker 1: I have about my time at Y and I know
Speaker 1: I never I never saw shows and in my you
Speaker 1: do you understand the discounts that we could have right now?
Speaker 1: It's crazy. I remember our freshman year, like the thing
Speaker 1: the thing to do, like orientation week was to go
Speaker 1: everyone went to go see in the heights, like they
Speaker 1: would take like huge like bus loads of freshmen to go.
Speaker 1: It wasn't in the was a Spring Awakening. It was no,
Speaker 1: we miss spring Away, or maybe it was no, it
Speaker 1: was spring Awakening, because you want to know what I
Speaker 1: did see Spring Awakening Welcome Week so jealous and it
Speaker 1: was I remember I sat next to this guy Luke
Speaker 1: that I had a major crush on, and I'm flashing
Speaker 1: back and I was out, not in the closet. I
Speaker 1: was in the closet, and I remember there's like the
Speaker 1: scene where to your body the reprint or it's like
Speaker 1: the gay scene. And I swear to god, I was
Speaker 1: bursting out of my pants and I could feel like
Speaker 1: the energy from him next to me was giving you
Speaker 1: some No he it was just like we were sitting
Speaker 1: there just like both like fucking bursting, so closeted and
Speaker 1: that could have been so hot. And I just watched
Speaker 1: this happen on stage and it was just like that's
Speaker 1: like a formative memory, like sitting there like listening to
Speaker 1: these gays singing to each other. By the way, I
Speaker 1: think it was Blake Daniel, Oh my god, I think
Speaker 1: it was. It might have been. Anyway, we know so
Speaker 1: many Ernst, we do so many bottoms that play Earnst. Anyway, yeah,
Speaker 1: we and we need to be seeing more. I do
Speaker 1: need to be seeing more. I feel like I feel
Speaker 1: like this season I've I've I've gotten to see wonderful show.
Speaker 1: We'll give more of your take on Into the Woods.
Speaker 1: It was fantastic. It's it's a it's a full proof show.
Speaker 1: I was talking a close goal about it and they
Speaker 1: were like, it's I was like, it's a basic answer,
Speaker 1: but it's my favorites on him. They're like, that's not basic.
Speaker 1: They go, it's a full proof show. It can you
Speaker 1: can never go wrong with it. And I said, what
Speaker 1: I realized this time launching it was because I only
Speaker 1: this is my first time seeing it a lot, because
Speaker 1: I only see the PBS recording. Likewise, um, and I realized,
Speaker 1: and this is again like a very very basic thing
Speaker 1: to understand about the show because people have known this
Speaker 1: for decades. But it's a show. It's an impactful show
Speaker 1: because it's a show about impact. It's a show about
Speaker 1: you know, children listen, consequences and everybody getting what they
Speaker 1: want and then it all falling apart, like you know,
Speaker 1: it's just such a good show. And this this production
Speaker 1: was so perfect I do regret not seeing it City Center,
Speaker 1: but I just loved the the ensemble of this one.
Speaker 1: Tina was incredible, Sarah was incredible. See that's why I'm
Speaker 1: going again, because you didn't get to see Sarry, but
Speaker 1: you got to see Philippa Pippa. I did see her.
Speaker 1: She honestly nailed the physical comedy. I didn't expect the comedy.
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I think it's because, oh you
Speaker 1: want to know what. I actually have not seen her
Speaker 1: on stage because when I saw Hamilton's I think she
Speaker 1: had either just left or took off. I just missed her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I didn't see her, and I did see all
Speaker 1: the original cast. Shout out line Manuel, Shout out Lynne,
Speaker 1: who can come on? When Lynn listens? Lynn at least
Speaker 1: listen to the Global Songbook episode because Lynn loves the
Speaker 1: song Dancing Crazy by Miranda Cose Girls. As result of
Speaker 1: us putting in on the list, which means he listened
Speaker 1: for I think that's like in the middle of episode
Speaker 1: two of this apart two and so he contacted me
Speaker 1: and told me this, and I said to him, Lynn,
Speaker 1: it's amazing to hear from you. Congratulations. Unsatisfied making the
Speaker 1: list I want you to know that Bowen and I
Speaker 1: used to perform Satisfied and we'd be announced as Renee
Speaker 1: and the Least Goldsberry. Remember that. I do remember that
Speaker 1: so well. Two amazing comedians Renee Lee Scoldsberry, Philippus too.
Speaker 1: Who knew? Who knew? Oh God, you gotta be You
Speaker 1: gotta do it all. If you're on Broadway, you gotta
Speaker 1: do it all. If you're on Broadway, you gotta do
Speaker 1: it all. I'm telling you. There's a there's a YouTube
Speaker 1: clip of Audre McDonald's on the Tony Awards performing a
Speaker 1: number from one ten in the Shade. Um it's called Raunchy.
Speaker 1: She does an aerial flip. Are you kidding me? I
Speaker 1: Am not kidding you. Get onto YouTube right now. Watch
Speaker 1: the YouTube performance of Raunchy from one tent in the Shade.
Speaker 1: Audrey McDonald does an aerial flip. And remember that she's
Speaker 1: Audre McDonald, who has Audre McDonald's voice. Understand that she
Speaker 1: also can do an aerial flip. You gotta do it all.
Speaker 1: You can do aerial flips. Sing fucking pork in Bess
Speaker 1: fucking be on private practice, forget it. Also, she once
Speaker 1: played the beggar woman in Sweeney's hod that's your favorite
Speaker 1: on time it is And I know that I've actually
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to see Sweeney Todd so many times
Speaker 1: because actually there's that iconic production they did a few
Speaker 1: years ago where I believe it was Carolee Carmelo played
Speaker 1: Mrs Lovett Um and I didn't get to go in
Speaker 1: like a small space too. I think it was like
Speaker 1: somewhere in the East Village. It's like a really tiny
Speaker 1: the barrel street there um that would have been iconic,
Speaker 1: and the the gag was they served like actual parties.
Speaker 1: But I want to see Sweeney Todd done on a
Speaker 1: big scale because it's such a big show and I
Speaker 1: want to see like, I want to see big sets.
Speaker 1: I want to see like a throwback to the original production. Um,
Speaker 1: because I believe Sweeney Todd is like it's a masterpiece.
Speaker 1: And I've said on the pod, but I'll say it
Speaker 1: again because it bears repeating. There's a concert version of
Speaker 1: Sweeney Todd that has Patti Lapone, George Hearn, no Patrick
Speaker 1: Harris at all, and it is a stunning production and
Speaker 1: it's on YouTube amazing. I haven't seen it. I should,
Speaker 1: I should see that you'll have to hear. Us has
Speaker 1: done a lot of Sondheim and a lot of content versions.
Speaker 1: Wasn't he Bobby for Company? Yes he was, and he
Speaker 1: also just did the Baker at the City Center en chorus.
Speaker 1: I heard he was great, Um and he did he
Speaker 1: was Toby in Miss Sweeney Todd. Yeah, he's he's quite
Speaker 1: good at very good at so time. He's a very
Speaker 1: clear voice. Yes, yeah, he's a good he's a great performer.
Speaker 1: I gosh, I've I've missed so much Sunheim in the
Speaker 1: last few years. I missed. Assassin's Assassins is really underrated.
Speaker 1: I mean, but the Assassins was the City Center and um,
Speaker 1: Aaron Markey as fucking Squeaky Squeaky heard was iconic. They
Speaker 1: probably were unbelieved, of course they were. And then um
Speaker 1: the original Squeaky by the way, any golden golden so
Speaker 1: the Giant's wife and grandma and um the tree tree
Speaker 1: uh I and there's you and it's it's as I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm jumping all over the place. But then like it
Speaker 1: made me think likest culture. Such a shame that there
Speaker 1: are no great film versions of Sundheim. But maybe merrily
Speaker 1: we were along Richard Linklater might be good, but we're
Speaker 1: not going to see that for another like, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty years. I mean we'll see. I mean, it's got
Speaker 1: great talent. But I think here's the thing about the
Speaker 1: Sondheim movie adaptations. I think Sweeney Todd the movie, it's
Speaker 1: fine if you know absolutely fucking nothing about the original musical. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: you're gonna come if if you know an observed culture
Speaker 1: at all, you will come with an understanding of it,
Speaker 1: and you'll see that it's not cast well and that
Speaker 1: it's dumbed down musically. And I'll say this, you know,
Speaker 1: I stand hell in the bottom carter, But if you
Speaker 1: can't understand the words that Mrs Lovett is saying, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. And Johnny Depp is Johnny Depping too much.
Speaker 1: I love Johnny Depp in it. I know that's unpopular.
Speaker 1: So I liked a minute a lot. No, it's yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought he matched the tone that they were going for.
Speaker 1: If we're gonna do it, Tim Burton, I think Johnny
Speaker 1: Depp was good. Do you think it's somewhat dissonant to
Speaker 1: have like I guess we'll call him like a tourist
Speaker 1: director with like fucking paired with Sandheim. It's like, I
Speaker 1: feel like that's that's so I think it depends it's yeah,
Speaker 1: I just feel like that's so um what's the word like?
Speaker 1: Hyper constructed? Like there's too much going on. I think
Speaker 1: people shouldn't be afraid to have this look more like theater,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. The thing I loved about
Speaker 1: this production Into the Woods was it was very bare bones.
Speaker 1: Was was basically the concert version, but with like a
Speaker 1: few like production elements. It felt like they had to
Speaker 1: make it a quick transfer, and they did that while
Speaker 1: still giving it enough to make it feel like we're
Speaker 1: seeing a Broadway show that wasn't just like a stage
Speaker 1: screen right right. But God, these performances good. And I
Speaker 1: want to say the thing about the end of the
Speaker 1: Woods movie. Some of the performances are really good. Like
Speaker 1: I think Chris Pine is a great yes, very good.
Speaker 1: Cinderella's Prince. Gosh. I did think during this Broadway show
Speaker 1: that the kids really get lost a little. Red and
Speaker 1: Jack are both like, I'm like, I don't remember a
Speaker 1: single thing about them in the Broadway version. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, I'm thinking the movie in the movie. You know,
Speaker 1: when I was watching the Broadway version and go oh no.
Speaker 1: The girl who plays Little Red in the Broadway version,
Speaker 1: Julia Last, Julie Lester, icon and incredible, she said, annoying
Speaker 1: girls are back. Well. But that's the thing about Little
Speaker 1: Red is that it's hard to not make that grading.
Speaker 1: For lack of a better word, you have to lean
Speaker 1: in and just go for it. Like it's it's so
Speaker 1: like Mother's said, straight ahead, like it's like it's literally yes,
Speaker 1: like yeah, great, it's it's that's where the comedy is.
Speaker 1: You have to have you have to throw all your
Speaker 1: vanity away for something like that. And I think that
Speaker 1: the girl they got for the movie, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: she's Crawford. I'm sure she's lovely. I wish your success.
Speaker 1: I just I don't remember like that they're being that
Speaker 1: sort of vigor to it anyway, not vigor, but like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it just wasn't like
Speaker 1: No and and Jack like Giants in the Sky. I
Speaker 1: was like, let me listen, let me go back and
Speaker 1: listen to the film version of this. I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: you didn't. You didn't feel it. It's just not there,
Speaker 1: you know. Unfortunately, I think that Giants in the Sky
Speaker 1: while Jack is a child, and I think it was
Speaker 1: probably the right decision for the movie and what they
Speaker 1: were going for to cast a child like Giants in
Speaker 1: the Sky like this. Actually that song is either a
Speaker 1: huge smash that that is like really hits because it
Speaker 1: is dense and it's tough. I mean, like because he
Speaker 1: goes through a journey in the song, but to have
Speaker 1: a child performing it, and especially that kid who's talented,
Speaker 1: but it's sort of still in that phase of child
Speaker 1: actor where it's shouty um. One of the best versions
Speaker 1: of Giants in the Sky is Mandy patinkin, Oh my God.
Speaker 1: Of course I love that he's a full grown adult man,
Speaker 1: but he does he sings it in like a pretty
Speaker 1: high register. Yeah, I mean he's he's like v tenor.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is like he brings the gravitas
Speaker 1: to it where it's like there's a world weariness to it,
Speaker 1: and it's this is what world you never thought to explore,
Speaker 1: Like it's that's the journey. It's like, oh, he comes
Speaker 1: back and he's like, whoa, I didn't realize that this
Speaker 1: is all? Like I love that so much. It's such
Speaker 1: a great distillation of life in one lyric. This is
Speaker 1: what's on time is great. I mean, just remembering you
Speaker 1: had an and when you're back to or makes the
Speaker 1: arm mean more than you did before. Are you kidding?
Speaker 1: Like to me, I'm like, are you fucking kidding? Are
Speaker 1: you kidding me? And you know what, I cannot wait
Speaker 1: to see Sarah do that. Oh, tell me about it.
Speaker 1: Moments in the Wood, Yeah, I was. I was paralyzed. No,
Speaker 1: I know what we were. I went with Patrick Rodgers.
Speaker 1: I cried. Yeah, I was like, God, that's so fucking
Speaker 1: When the baker's wife is that Moments in the Wood
Speaker 1: is whoa? And then she immediately so it's crazy. And
Speaker 1: then oh my god, which is not a spoiler, I mean, man,
Speaker 1: And then honestly, let's let's just put some respect. And
Speaker 1: by the way, this was the gag. So the night
Speaker 1: I saw it, who was in the audience, but Bernadette
Speaker 1: peters herself, Oh, I'm walking I'm walking in and literally
Speaker 1: this happened. Katie turns around and goes, I just want
Speaker 1: to say I'm I'm a reader. And I was like,
Speaker 1: it's so great to meet you. And then she goes,
Speaker 1: you're not going to believe this, but Bernadette Peters is
Speaker 1: behind you. I said, are you fucking kidding me? She
Speaker 1: goes now and I turned around. There she is smiling, glowing, excited.
Speaker 1: And then minutes later I look at the play bow
Speaker 1: and Sarah's out and I was like, oh, bomber like
Speaker 1: Sarah missed like coming. Oh my god, Wow, that's a
Speaker 1: that's a great night. So imagine being Pettina. I know,
Speaker 1: knowing Brendan Dat's out there, but then also you're Patina
Speaker 1: with a perfect voice. Voice is perfect. Oh come on,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. She was wonderful, so good. She was great.
Speaker 1: The power that that has, the power, the Pettina that
Speaker 1: that has. And you know what, just to talk about
Speaker 1: these roles in the movie, I thought Meryl and especially
Speaker 1: Emily Blant were fat. Merril and Emily were wonderful, really
Speaker 1: really good. Okay, let's quickly touch based on Patna is there.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's worthwhile? I think it's worth while.
Speaker 1: I mean, we have some rumors, Well did you see
Speaker 1: a tweet because and Candice herself retweeted this, oh ship. Well,
Speaker 1: of course that there's route that The report is that
Speaker 1: Candice Dillard Bassett and Ashley Derby are quote unquote the
Speaker 1: stars of the season because the entire time they've been
Speaker 1: another quote unquote messy, A f the co stars, and
Speaker 1: I'm going, yes, give it to me now. I love it.
Speaker 1: Did you ever think that these two fucking mortal enemies,
Speaker 1: mortal enemies, little little scampy women who we love and
Speaker 1: a door these beauty we've we've not always loved as
Speaker 1: I actually disliked Ashley very much, but actually the fact
Speaker 1: that she f out for divorce makes me go, Okay,
Speaker 1: well he wasn't gonna. He wasn't gonna, but it took
Speaker 1: her long enough. But I'm glad you finally did it.
Speaker 1: It's one of those things where you're like, well, better
Speaker 1: eight than never. I mean, I go give it to me.
Speaker 1: When do you? Staphone interviews as well, being like just
Speaker 1: do you wait? It's worth the way. We're not getting
Speaker 1: this until October. I heard this rumor tell me that
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City is coming in late September and that
Speaker 1: Potomac is coming in October. Yes, and I heard that
Speaker 1: the Salt Lake City trailer, if it's not already out
Speaker 1: by the time this episode comes out, is imminent. And
Speaker 1: by imminent I mean this week and then it's a
Speaker 1: good one. Well, I mean, what do you think John
Speaker 1: show fucking changes the plea please pleads guilty. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that will be on the episode.
Speaker 1: I mean they'll have to face that's the bombshell of
Speaker 1: a bombs and Bravo. Yeah, Like I do I remember
Speaker 1: that day? Oh that was breaking news. It was like
Speaker 1: when Trump was they searched tomorrow lago. Well, I remember
Speaker 1: the day she was. I remember the whole the um
Speaker 1: the shuttle. Did I remember the like John getting arrested day? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Nity Gardener never like did you see this? Shaw got
Speaker 1: arrest Oh my god, I'm so exciting. And let me
Speaker 1: just say, because there are some Katie's Slash readers out
Speaker 1: there who are militantly anti housewives and kind of get sick,
Speaker 1: get sick of us talking about it, But can we
Speaker 1: just say, like it is one of the unifying pieces
Speaker 1: of monoculture that I know of where I can talk
Speaker 1: to anybody, most people from different walks of life, and
Speaker 1: we get into deep, deep discussions about our friends who
Speaker 1: were never housewives people before are finally like getting on
Speaker 1: board and are like framing conflict through the show. I'm
Speaker 1: like it's it's a really interesting lens through what you
Speaker 1: see human like relational aggression. You know who we have
Speaker 1: to have on Casey Wilson and Daniel Schneider. It's time
Speaker 1: for a time. It's it's long overdoing. We actually for
Speaker 1: for Beverly Hills reunion slash beginning of Salt Lake. But
Speaker 1: that's when they should come on. You hear that, ladies, ladies,
Speaker 1: and Michelle wants to come on. Talk about Michelle content.
Speaker 1: Michelle has an open door policy. She was on the
Speaker 1: Today Show co hosting the show Give this woman a
Speaker 1: Morning show? Now, I said, Now, I said, she is
Speaker 1: just the one of the most magnetic people, the funniest
Speaker 1: bound motherfucker. Yes, she's so good. We needed we need
Speaker 1: to have her back. Someone spilt sauce is still being
Speaker 1: quoted today. You know what's funny, she would actually be
Speaker 1: perfect to take over for Wendy. Let's talk about this
Speaker 1: because you sent me the Hollywood Reporter cover story written
Speaker 1: by Miss Lacey Rose herself. That was heartbreaking, Katie's readers.
Speaker 1: You have to if well, it's not for the faint
Speaker 1: of heart, but it was what was a Hollywood Reporter
Speaker 1: The Hollywood Port the cover story. Yeah, they did. They
Speaker 1: did a full piece on the situation with Wendy william
Speaker 1: Sin really tough, really hard, and um, I just I
Speaker 1: always forget that we moderated her Vulture Fest. Remember that,
Speaker 1: I remember that. But she was she she seemed vacant
Speaker 1: a little bit. Because we went to go talk to
Speaker 1: her in her room before, just to like fill her
Speaker 1: in on like the run of show. She just was
Speaker 1: like looking at us, like great, and then I haven't
Speaker 1: Kevin was there. Kevin and Kevin Jr. Were there. M
Speaker 1: We were in a small room with them, and oh
Speaker 1: my god, that was a weird one. That was weird,
Speaker 1: and we were excited to meet her. And then she
Speaker 1: gave us nothing. She gave us nothing and then afterwards
Speaker 1: left without saying anything, I mean whatever. We weren't expecting, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you know what it was giving. It was giving.
Speaker 1: I'm off until I absolutely have to be on, and
Speaker 1: then I'm giving and then I'm done, which I completely respect, right,
Speaker 1: especially understanding more now what it means to be like
Speaker 1: on a press schedule and what it means stuff to
Speaker 1: conserve energy, of course, but do you think is one
Speaker 1: of the things in the piece in the Hollywood reporter
Speaker 1: piece really remarks on how all of these producers say
Speaker 1: that there's no one else you can do what Wendy does,
Speaker 1: which is sit in that chair and for twenty minutes
Speaker 1: just talk and have the whole audience in the palm
Speaker 1: of her hand. I had a problem with that because literally,
Speaker 1: Michelle can. Michelle can. And I was and I literally
Speaker 1: not to be stupid, but I thought of you was like,
Speaker 1: Matt Rodgers can do that in his sleep. But I
Speaker 1: was like, do you think that goes along with her
Speaker 1: being like off and then flipping a switch when she
Speaker 1: knows she's on display or something. I think she's good
Speaker 1: at what she does. I mean, also, you have to remember,
Speaker 1: like it's like anyone that's like this is not a
Speaker 1: one to one, but it's sort of like when someone
Speaker 1: who's much older can recall a story from a long
Speaker 1: time ago. It's like she has it in her blood,
Speaker 1: it's in her brain, it's in her fucking like yeah, deep,
Speaker 1: deep lobe, this is a woman who ran radio, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, where she's trained to talk at
Speaker 1: talk and she has the gift of gab. But for her,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like it goes beyond that. And remember
Speaker 1: it's like being able to talk for that long and
Speaker 1: hold core for that long does not necessarily mean you're
Speaker 1: saying all the right things. Because how many times have
Speaker 1: we said, oh my god, just last week we had
Speaker 1: apologize up top, I apologize every other I'm talking specifically
Speaker 1: about Wendy, Like how many times she said ship that
Speaker 1: is completely either incorrect, completely problematic, unfounded. So she's sitting
Speaker 1: there talking and so, yes, she's good at and can
Speaker 1: do it, and we have an acceptance of like it
Speaker 1: being she has carte blanche because she's Wendy. But like
Speaker 1: you know, that's part for the course when you when
Speaker 1: you're told sit here and talk, you're gonna say some
Speaker 1: stupid ship. But I think that Michelle could actually improve
Speaker 1: on because Michelle can moderate to Michelle. Michelle knows how
Speaker 1: to like guide a conversation. Because I don't think Wendy
Speaker 1: was that good of an interviewer. That's why she stopped
Speaker 1: having guests. I mean, that's one of the I don't
Speaker 1: think that's the reason why. But it's like she doesn't
Speaker 1: care for it and also did that. I thought this
Speaker 1: is an interesting part of the article when they said
Speaker 1: that they had difficulty book and guests because the last
Speaker 1: of celebrities hater because of what she says exactly, which
Speaker 1: she must understand to be a liability. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but Michelle, okay, and this is not to bring this
Speaker 1: up out of like um masturbation, but um. Andy Cohen
Speaker 1: said something really nice, which is that he was someone
Speaker 1: asked him, like, who would fill in for you if
Speaker 1: you were to stop hosting? Who would be a great
Speaker 1: gayly host gaily night host? And he mentioned Billy Eichner
Speaker 1: and he mentioned you didn't mention us. That was really
Speaker 1: very nice. I might have mismisread that and thought that
Speaker 1: he was talking about like a theoretical replacement, which like
Speaker 1: I don't think never ever would ever happen. I think
Speaker 1: if he's going to leave, watch what Happens Live, then
Speaker 1: don't end um. But Michelle, like Michelle will be perfect
Speaker 1: for that. Michelle so much. She can do Today Show,
Speaker 1: she can do Wendy, she can do like these kinds
Speaker 1: of shows. You know, she'd be great hosting one of
Speaker 1: those reunions. That's that's what I'm saying. And I also
Speaker 1: think having a woman in that. You know what though,
Speaker 1: I actually think that weirdly enough, because it's ending and
Speaker 1: because it's a male energy, I think they differ in
Speaker 1: a way. It's also their boss, so in a way,
Speaker 1: he is like uniquely set up for that because he
Speaker 1: operates from a place of authority and also he's just
Speaker 1: like he's visually and energetically a different vibe than all
Speaker 1: of them. So it's like whenever one of them snaps
Speaker 1: at him, like it feels like, oh my god, they
Speaker 1: talked to Amy that way. Whereas, like, you know, if
Speaker 1: it were like another woman in that chair or someone
Speaker 1: who was like on the same level as them, like
Speaker 1: in terms of like just another you know, comedian personality,
Speaker 1: what have you, they might like refuse to answer a
Speaker 1: question or get fresh. Sure, I mean, yes, a counterpoint
Speaker 1: to that as Nicki Minaj, but she would not do that,
Speaker 1: Like she obviously had a different style, and all the
Speaker 1: Potomac women were like, oh that's fucking Nicki Minaj, Like
Speaker 1: she operates a place of authority. Um, so you would
Speaker 1: need someone like that to like keep these people in check,
Speaker 1: these people who think that they are like morally sort
Speaker 1: of superior, or are very self righteous in their way, defensive, egotistical,
Speaker 1: all these things why not bring the most egotistical person. Yes, nick,
Speaker 1: I mean someone who's also going to be able to
Speaker 1: speak to those women, like those women she's I loved that,
Speaker 1: reven I thought, I just write I recently rewatched it. Actually,
Speaker 1: what what was what did you think about Eddie following
Speaker 1: all these booty models? And she just cracked up less so,
Speaker 1: but then what was the what was like? Nikki asked
Speaker 1: Astley something and then she she said, you didn't come
Speaker 1: down there with your breast milk to start some drama child. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but then I just remember is she said your breast?
Speaker 1: But there was another thing that Nicky said where she
Speaker 1: was like, like someone says something like I was trying
Speaker 1: to like stall on the answering the question, and then
Speaker 1: then they're like, oh, is it this kind of that
Speaker 1: kind and then Nicki goes it was because she was
Speaker 1: insinuating that Michael Darby was attracted to one Dixon. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and then actually goes sexually, yes, sexually? Is there? Congratulations Nicky?
Speaker 1: She has a number one hit. Amazing, what do we think?
Speaker 1: I love it? I'm saying this. I love Anaconda. I
Speaker 1: love Anaconda. I love a song like Anaconda. You know what.
Speaker 1: I think she had the right idea. And I'm first
Speaker 1: of all, let me also say not not only is
Speaker 1: this a be hive podcast, this is extremely, extremely a
Speaker 1: barbed podcast. We are not politically barbed, because I think
Speaker 1: there is a there is a politic to being a
Speaker 1: barb at this point, Like barbs are like completely radical,
Speaker 1: and it's sometimes radical. It's actually culture number ninety nine
Speaker 1: radical and we we we acknowledge that we stand. But um,
Speaker 1: we love Anaconda. I don't love this song, but also,
Speaker 1: like I think I'm excited to hear whatever album it's
Speaker 1: on because I just want Nikki to be fun again.
Speaker 1: And therefore I want I want nick No, I don't
Speaker 1: even need Nikki to be fun. I just need Nikki
Speaker 1: to not care what ivery one thinks. Like you know,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, you get the
Speaker 1: sense that she's in a She was in a very
Speaker 1: self conscious era. I think Cardi really shooker, shooker. But
Speaker 1: now that we're in a we're in we're in a
Speaker 1: place where there are all of these female rapper, female
Speaker 1: represent mcs who can like directly link their aesthetics and
Speaker 1: journeys and points of view to Nikki in a way
Speaker 1: and to like little Him and like and Missy and
Speaker 1: like all the predators and Queen Latifa, like um, I
Speaker 1: think Nikki can come back and not be as insecure.
Speaker 1: She was right in that window and Hardy showed up,
Speaker 1: and it was the media made it seem like it
Speaker 1: was just the two of them. They're all way different.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's it's like not even the same. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's just there's no need for it. But also
Speaker 1: it's it's not their fault. I mean, it's it's completely
Speaker 1: this like insane industry that they're right now. And also
Speaker 1: a lot of the ways in which they get spoken
Speaker 1: to by media, Like if you ever seen like like
Speaker 1: Nikki's interviews on like the Breakfast Club, like the way
Speaker 1: that Charlotte Mayne talks to her is crazy. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't haven't seen enough of the interviews,
Speaker 1: but I feel like generally, like a lot of the
Speaker 1: female entertainers who go on that show, like feel like
Speaker 1: they're feel like they're a little taken to task or something,
Speaker 1: And I don't I wonder what that is. Well, I
Speaker 1: think because they are rightfully or not. I mean, like
Speaker 1: it's a little weird sometimes, like the way that they
Speaker 1: do well. I'm just saying, like Charlotte Mayne has a
Speaker 1: little bit did you ever see um the bated episode
Speaker 1: with episode z Way did an incredible episode with Charlotte
Speaker 1: man and she like shook him to his core because
Speaker 1: he said a lot of funked up about black right
Speaker 1: right right, you know, and she like was pretty much
Speaker 1: like reminding him, like I didn't forget about this. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But I think there's like a general attitude that he had.
Speaker 1: I don't know about now, but I'm sure I'm sure
Speaker 1: he's I'm sure he's grown. I enjoy I enjoy that
Speaker 1: he has strong takes speaking. I almost always watched him
Speaker 1: on a late night show, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Um truly like what a what a career on that man.
Speaker 1: But um, I think he's hot too. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: would say that speaking of Andy Cohen like like sort
Speaker 1: of m hmm influenced. I mean, Zo always credits her
Speaker 1: interview style to Andy. Kathleen, do you understand any of this?
Speaker 1: She's living. She's living. Yeah, are you a reader? Yeah,
Speaker 1: She's like she's like, I'm a Grammy winner. She's I
Speaker 1: don't listen to these sucking podcast She's like, I'm listening
Speaker 1: to these gay people. She didn't say that people same.
Speaker 1: It's time for I don't think SONI, which is our
Speaker 1: iconic and celebrated one minute segment on this podcast. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's sixty seconds of Railian against something in culture at
Speaker 1: large that we things serves to be dragged. I have
Speaker 1: something I do too. Okay, great, I love that. I
Speaker 1: love when we can come together and both have something.
Speaker 1: I mind. My minds a little spicy. And it might
Speaker 1: we might lose some some katies after this, but it's might.
Speaker 1: You need to make a public apology. I actually know
Speaker 1: no one will convince me that I'm saying too much already.
Speaker 1: But you want to go, you wanna first. This is
Speaker 1: Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many times starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. People who go to a
Speaker 1: restaurant and say what do you think between these two
Speaker 1: things to the server and then name two completely different things,
Speaker 1: and it's like, Mama. If you come in and say
Speaker 1: you want what do you think between the sizzling shrimp
Speaker 1: and the watermelon fed a salad, It's like bitch. And
Speaker 1: then the server is just like, I don't know. That's
Speaker 1: so different. Like I recently went to a restaurant and
Speaker 1: I don't think, so honey. This entire experience with this
Speaker 1: person who just was like I wanted to know, like
Speaker 1: what they preferred between these two extremely different dishes like
Speaker 1: and this, no, and this is like a completely different
Speaker 1: person than me who goes into a restaurant and has
Speaker 1: no idea what they want. Usually I have some sort
Speaker 1: of like nature in me. That's just like I'm kind
Speaker 1: of feeling a protein. Some people would truly come in
Speaker 1: there and be like I don't know what I want,
Speaker 1: and it would be completely different, and then you put
Speaker 1: the server on the spot and they're like I can
Speaker 1: feel them because I used to be one of them
Speaker 1: where it's like I don't know between steak and fucking
Speaker 1: even steak and like fish, it's like completely different. What
Speaker 1: do you want? What do you want? You don't think,
Speaker 1: so honey, you don't know, so honey, I don't think
Speaker 1: be decisive in a restaurant. And also it's just like
Speaker 1: I also really can't stand when then they picked something
Speaker 1: and they're like, but can it be this instead of this?
Speaker 1: And this instead of this and this instead of this, Mama,
Speaker 1: pick something else on the menu. That sometimes I will
Speaker 1: pick the item on the menu that even if it
Speaker 1: like it is not exactly what I wanted, it has
Speaker 1: at least the collective package of something I would enjoy.
Speaker 1: Because I hate telling someone a server or something to
Speaker 1: go to the kitchen and do substitutions and all this
Speaker 1: stuff and modulations and modifications on the order, because I
Speaker 1: know you're setting yourself up for failure or disappointment or
Speaker 1: and this is not to knock anybody who keep who
Speaker 1: has to do this out of out of necessity. Well, yes,
Speaker 1: but there is a yeah there, there there's um there
Speaker 1: there there there's a fine line. I just think it's
Speaker 1: agree with to be like, hey, I don't know what
Speaker 1: I wanted all what do you like out of these?
Speaker 1: You know what's not I I don't I do think so, honey?
Speaker 1: And would would honey like, could you make a recommendation
Speaker 1: for me? I'm a little let's see, And then the
Speaker 1: server can say absolutely, this is my favorite dish. What
Speaker 1: do you love on the menu? This is what I love.
Speaker 1: What I used to do as the server is this
Speaker 1: is my favorite dish on the menu. This is a
Speaker 1: very popular dish on the menu amazing, and they can
Speaker 1: make the decision there, and then they could say I'm
Speaker 1: torn between these two things. And then if it's like
Speaker 1: one or the other, and it seems like I can
Speaker 1: understand what area there is, that's one thing. But when
Speaker 1: it's like a taco or a fucking you know, rice dish, honey,
Speaker 1: I don't know, the chasm is too big. Or it's
Speaker 1: like with cocktails, it's like, you know, what's what's a
Speaker 1: good drink? This gin one or this beer. It's like, honey,
Speaker 1: what do you want? Do you want this um absinthe
Speaker 1: or this spike Miller milk? Girl? Want you wanna milk?
Speaker 1: You wanna fucking mudslide, avoca soda? I don't know. You
Speaker 1: want diarrhea or to not be that drunk? You tell
Speaker 1: me by away by the way, um and I don't
Speaker 1: usually do this, but um I did do it. And
Speaker 1: I think so, honey about flashable whites. Oh yeah, what
Speaker 1: Tushy sent me a fucking free to day and they
Speaker 1: offered to someone to you, they did, and I am
Speaker 1: not home right now, so I felt uneasy about having
Speaker 1: someone really should I installed mine two days ago and
Speaker 1: it's truly changed. I don't know though, because do I
Speaker 1: self installed? Is it difficult? It's not difficult. You self installed.
Speaker 1: It's a little messy and dirty for like ten minutes.
Speaker 1: You want sucks, there's are you there? You can throw
Speaker 1: down a towel if you want for your knees. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: I guess I have to come around to the bid
Speaker 1: day thing. Huh, what do you mean? What are your
Speaker 1: reservations about the days? The thing about the days that
Speaker 1: I question is it's like when I use a flushable wipe,
Speaker 1: like I'm very in controls, very manual process. I know
Speaker 1: everything is, you know, lickety split down there right, Whereas
Speaker 1: with a biday it's like, okay, I got water splashed
Speaker 1: on my ass. That doesn't mean that it's like excavated
Speaker 1: the wipes, the toilet papers. I'm still getting dingleberries. And
Speaker 1: you're not doing drag. You're not to back back to
Speaker 1: front side to side zig zag. First of all, you
Speaker 1: need to do this. And I don't want to contribute
Speaker 1: to the fat burgs A name I haven't. I wake
Speaker 1: up on a cold sweat. Who's who? Who did that?
Speaker 1: Who named him? That? I really don't like it, And
Speaker 1: to think it's collections of fatty Wait. I just literally, guy,
Speaker 1: oh my god, the sewers are so important. I know
Speaker 1: you said this, and I have to stress I can't
Speaker 1: believe that. On the podcast Last Cultures, Bowen Yang said,
Speaker 1: if we if the sewers go, everything everything goes. And
Speaker 1: you know, wastewater is now like a huge tool for
Speaker 1: public health. Huh the wastewater. They're they're sampling wastewater or
Speaker 1: to see what viruses are are going around. Come over it.
Speaker 1: It's no, it's helpful, bitch, all right, it's not. It's
Speaker 1: not our job to go down. There's someone's doing it,
Speaker 1: and I hope they get paid handsomely. I literally hope
Speaker 1: that person that that should be the richest man in America,
Speaker 1: whoever is going down there. I mean, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll go down in the wastewater to help us out
Speaker 1: with viruses at all. That should be Elon Musk. I
Speaker 1: think there should be a wealth like you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: there should be a quality. There should be a huge
Speaker 1: gap in well, there should be wealth inequality. But the
Speaker 1: richest people in the world should be elementary school teachers
Speaker 1: and those diving into wastewater to find the new virus
Speaker 1: period period, or you dive into the sewer to get
Speaker 1: water for diseases. You don't pay taxes and now that
Speaker 1: should be law. That should get one free super yacht.
Speaker 1: Where's Joe Biden on that? And when you get one
Speaker 1: free super yacht? What's a super yot? It's a yacht
Speaker 1: that's longer than like a hundred feet girl. No, No,
Speaker 1: they didn' whole piece in the New Yorker about it
Speaker 1: about how like that's it's a way for rich people
Speaker 1: now to like dump it's it's like a way for
Speaker 1: them to like put all their money in without like
Speaker 1: offshore accounts. Like well, you just buy yacht and then
Speaker 1: like put it wherever. It's a way for Leo to
Speaker 1: fit fifteen or eighteen year old. They are that young.
Speaker 1: So sad anyway, Um, I have a lot of interesting
Speaker 1: text right now. The community is really getting together to
Speaker 1: text me, Um, okay, let's do bow and Yang's I
Speaker 1: don't think something because we got to get over to
Speaker 1: Thai Tee. I can't wait me neither. Um this we love.
Speaker 1: It's a great, great event. And let's just say we
Speaker 1: didn't get to go because I was sort of feeling
Speaker 1: myself in a tomb vocally, but Alaska looked insane, the
Speaker 1: makeup looked on points. So for the readers that don't know,
Speaker 1: in the katies that don't know either, Alaska thunder Funds
Speaker 1: has been doing for the past year and a half
Speaker 1: or so these concert events at three dollar bill where
Speaker 1: she kind of embodies a different pop star and a
Speaker 1: different album era, um and basically dresses like them. But
Speaker 1: like it's accurate. I mean, she looked like Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1: It was it was giving, it was giving Taylor she
Speaker 1: did she basically did coreo from the chore. She looked
Speaker 1: exactly and the energy was really really right, and um,
Speaker 1: it looked so fun really. Boughlin produces and photographs them. Well,
Speaker 1: so did you see Matt Locus posted on a story
Speaker 1: Laguna Blue singing this love Oh yes, stunning And then
Speaker 1: I think someone I forget who, but someone did an
Speaker 1: amazing rendition of Clean where I where I went, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is an amazing I didn't really care for that
Speaker 1: song before, but then I love Clean and like if
Speaker 1: it's like, if it's someone who you know has a
Speaker 1: vocal power. Not that not to say Taylor doesn't, but
Speaker 1: like if someone can give it that heft. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh damn, this is an amazing song. You know who
Speaker 1: does a great cover of clean? Sarah borrellis, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: and she I think it was like she did like
Speaker 1: a cover of cleaning beforehand. She did like a little
Speaker 1: video intro and she said she was like, I guess
Speaker 1: it was like celebrating tell her or something, and Sarah
Speaker 1: Brellis goes, I just want to tell a story about Taylor,
Speaker 1: which is that she was kind enough to invite me
Speaker 1: to sing a song with her on her world tour,
Speaker 1: and I something happened and I couldn't hear myself and
Speaker 1: I bombed horribly, and I went backstage and cried and
Speaker 1: cried and cried, and Taylor came back and comforted me
Speaker 1: and said that how excited she was and that this happens,
Speaker 1: and that she's still that no one cared, and like
Speaker 1: it was still so great to have me on stage,
Speaker 1: and she made me feel so good. And then she
Speaker 1: covered Clean and was Sarah Borrellis, I mean stunning. There
Speaker 1: you go quickly. I want to say this is not
Speaker 1: an apology, but it's to address something that happened last
Speaker 1: last episode. A lot happened in this coody bags the episode,
Speaker 1: but it's it was controversial. Some Swifties seemed to think
Speaker 1: that we sighed we were aligning and siding with Cody's
Speaker 1: tailor stands were or we didn't defend didn't defend her.
Speaker 1: She needs no defense, first of all. Second of all,
Speaker 1: everyone knows where we stand with her. We love her,
Speaker 1: and she's done incredibly kind things for us, and we
Speaker 1: will always be grateful. But it's not transactional in that
Speaker 1: way at all. And we will make the light stupid
Speaker 1: jokes every now and then about the private jet while
Speaker 1: while we can, but of course it's we're not gonna
Speaker 1: like and actually if you do, if you actually do
Speaker 1: more reading on it, it's like, um, a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of environmentalist groups were like, but it's still
Speaker 1: not even for people who own private jets. It's not
Speaker 1: like incumbent on the individual action is not even the
Speaker 1: thing that has to be like changed, Like even if
Speaker 1: every private generators stopped flight flying their jets, like we're
Speaker 1: still like on the fast track to like all this
Speaker 1: crazy sht happening in the environment to count down to extinction.
Speaker 1: But it's no, it's just saying like it has to
Speaker 1: happen on like on a bigger scale with like fucking
Speaker 1: corporate set anyway, Um, we we are still very very
Speaker 1: very swifty here. Every now and then we can we
Speaker 1: can light of the of the media narratives that are
Speaker 1: happening as long as it's not fully ruining her life.
Speaker 1: This is bone yangs. I don't think now, I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey, me getting this sty buying this opointment
Speaker 1: and then looking at the label and it's saying homeopathic.
Speaker 1: I don't think so many homeopathy. The whole thing is
Speaker 1: fucking bug. How are you going to say that it's
Speaker 1: more potent when it's more diluted. That makes no scientific
Speaker 1: conceptual sense. It's bullshit. It actually harms, and and the
Speaker 1: whole principle of of it gets worse before it gets
Speaker 1: better is bull shit. Okay, it's quackery. I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear it. Come from me if you want to.
Speaker 1: But it's insane that I get to walk into these
Speaker 1: secods and see half of the ship there be homeopathic.
Speaker 1: It's garbage. How is this that three billion dollar thing?
Speaker 1: I don't know? Oh wait, yes I do. It's because
Speaker 1: people can fucking think for themselves. You cannot have people
Speaker 1: pushing homeo homeopathy on you when every single scientific study
Speaker 1: and and and and area of research on it is
Speaker 1: saying that it's inconclusively it doesn't it's actually conclusively not
Speaker 1: helpful to any treat I guess what the ointman didn't do, ship,
Speaker 1: I had to buy the classic styegel and it's gone.
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. There is nothing I love more
Speaker 1: in this world than traditional medicine. I love it. Give
Speaker 1: it all this crazy ship I hear from people. This guy,
Speaker 1: This guy was like talking the ear off at dinner
Speaker 1: one time on a day, being like, you know, one
Speaker 1: tile and all pill makes her stomach bleed to gallons
Speaker 1: of blood. I'm like, that's not good for that can't
Speaker 1: possibly be true. Congratulations. I'm like, okay, then give me yours.
Speaker 1: I have a headache because they're you talking. Because are
Speaker 1: you talking, sweet sweet guy? I have a headache from
Speaker 1: you talking, sweet guy. Oh my god, it's so real,
Speaker 1: and just it gets worse before it gets better. Well,
Speaker 1: then I don't want it. I don't want it. I
Speaker 1: wanted to get better period. Now this is the chemo.
Speaker 1: It shouldn't be. Shouldn't be. If it's chemo, then I
Speaker 1: understand anyway, if if there are Katie's out there who
Speaker 1: are like homeopaths and can't listen to this anymore. By truly,
Speaker 1: I don't care homeo sexuals. It is homeosexuals against it.
Speaker 1: I'm against it. Don't don't. Don't homosexuals against homeoo sexuals.
Speaker 1: That's our new that's our homeless not tooth Kathleen. Do
Speaker 1: you do you watch Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Kathleen,
Speaker 1: You're not a homeopath, are you? Okay? So you're started
Speaker 1: and you understand, like what homeless not toothless? That is?
Speaker 1: You did? You did? You did say that you understood
Speaker 1: everything that we said. So you lied, you said you
Speaker 1: understood everything that we said. And we talked for a
Speaker 1: long time about homeless not toothless. You're blind, You're you're speechless?
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you a homeopath? Kathleen? Us? Both? Damn it?
Speaker 1: We alienated. There you go. I love medicine, period. Some
Speaker 1: of this ain't medicine, though, putting bee pollen and ship
Speaker 1: I don't. The title of this episode is public apology,
Speaker 1: but the feeling energy of this episode is we love medicine.
Speaker 1: Yesterday and they worked like a Charney well Beautrin train
Speaker 1: changed my life. Honey, prep, I love the st I
Speaker 1: just I mean, listen, I we're about to be on
Speaker 1: Stradio Labor. Stradio Lab is coming to big money players
Speaker 1: and we're on their first episode and they do a
Speaker 1: shout out segment and I shouted out, de sco vive
Speaker 1: the stuff they allowed me to have bareback sex. This
Speaker 1: is an amazing this was so I mean to be
Speaker 1: this is yeah. I was just gonna say I pushed
Speaker 1: for this to be in person. Doug engineer, Doug was
Speaker 1: God bless him. Um was figuring it out for us.
Speaker 1: I'm glad this happened. We should be in person as
Speaker 1: much as possible, That's what I'm saying. And it helps Doug,
Speaker 1: it helps Kathleen, it helps the engineers, it really does.
Speaker 1: Wasn't this such an easy, simple process? Yeah, well this
Speaker 1: will this. Look at your Grammy. This episode is grammy worthy.
Speaker 1: This is grammy worthy. I would say the way it
Speaker 1: was high culture. And look the way we spend time
Speaker 1: on Sondheim. And also, I we have not done a
Speaker 1: culture catch up in a while. We haven't. And listen,
Speaker 1: I think it's very important that we keep doing them
Speaker 1: because because the calendar is is stacked, and I love that,
Speaker 1: but it is sometimes I do think it's important and
Speaker 1: I'm not. This is not me like wagging a finger
Speaker 1: at anybody. I think I love that we get you
Speaker 1: and me I do too. I think that sometimes when
Speaker 1: people are like, we love the culture catchups, It's like, yes,
Speaker 1: But also the podcast is about asking guests that are
Speaker 1: interesting in culture, what was the culture that made you say?
Speaker 1: Culture was having interesting discussions. But I also understand that
Speaker 1: people love what they love. Maybe there will be a
Speaker 1: new announcement of some more nominees. Wait what we have
Speaker 1: not discussed this. I'm so excited. Who knows, Maybe we
Speaker 1: will be maybe sometime before the end of the year.
Speaker 1: Maybe sometime for the end of the year, there will
Speaker 1: be a hundred new categories announced. Oh my god, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'm dead ass excited. Maybe not saying promise, saying
Speaker 1: maybe there will be an exciting announcement a nomination special
Speaker 1: god for an award show in June, a six month
Speaker 1: awards season. It is coming almost time to announce new nominees.
Speaker 1: It's so excited for an event. Oh my god, I'm
Speaker 1: so thrill. The Cultural Awards are here to stay absolutely
Speaker 1: put that on the say and to close out summer,
Speaker 1: highlight of my summer cultural Awards, Yes, and more to come.
Speaker 1: I would say the actual best moment of the year
Speaker 1: for me so far was the three and a half
Speaker 1: minutes that we performed Driver's License. Yeah with Josh. That
Speaker 1: was peaking. And there's been so many incredible moments this
Speaker 1: year have but my summer could have ended right there.
Speaker 1: It should have, it should have, and it it did
Speaker 1: for me. Hang it up, hanging up. Haven't had a
Speaker 1: pleasant day since yeah, well until today, until today, And
Speaker 1: now we're gonna go and drinking vodka soda or two
Speaker 1: and m gallivant. Alliphants always end every episode with a song.
Speaker 1: A big tall, terrible giant door, a big tall, terrible
Speaker 1: lady giant and sweeping the floor, and she gives you
Speaker 1: a food, and she gives you rest, and she drives
Speaker 1: your close to her giant breast. And you know things
Speaker 1: now that you never knew before, not until the sky.
Speaker 1: There in the sky, they're a big, tall, terrible, awesome,
Speaker 1: scaring wonderful giants in the sky.