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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: This is our number two of the Drive here on

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Speaker 3: Steelers Nation Radio. And well, it's that time of year,

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Speaker 3: July versus here and Matt that means it's time to

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Speaker 3: go to the fantasy football focus here a little bit. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: And one thing I wanted to talk about today is

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Speaker 3: guillotine leagues.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and for the peoplease explain.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, people that don't understand what a guillotine league is.

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Speaker 3: This is what you do when let's say you have

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Speaker 3: eighteen fantasy players and you're want to say, okay, we're

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Speaker 3: gonna we're gonna draft here. Obviously your your your talent

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Speaker 3: pool is way watered down. But every week during the season,

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Speaker 3: the team with the fewest points is eliminated.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, I wasn't sure what you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: And then those players, the players off of that team

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Speaker 3: become free agents.

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Speaker 2: Right, so by the end you're fielding powerhouse powerhouse. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: like Derek Henry might not start for you last week

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Speaker 2: or two.

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Speaker 3: So the key with these things and what strategy is

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm interested to dig into this. To me, the

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Speaker 3: key is you want to target players early in the

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Speaker 3: season who have favorable matchups.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like eliminator pools. I just need to stay

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Speaker 2: in the float.

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Speaker 3: I need to stay. I can't finish less. So I

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Speaker 3: want players with high floors early. So I devin a

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Speaker 3: chan well in in the early early going if I

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Speaker 3: can get it. If I take him on the turn

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Speaker 3: round two, top of round two, big floor guy might

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Speaker 3: not play, may only play the first, but he met

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Speaker 3: those three weeks, he might help me win the week.

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Speaker 3: And by the time that that happens, I'll pick up

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Speaker 3: some other running backs to supplement.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so almost look at this thing is how

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Speaker 2: do I get out of September? Right?

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Speaker 3: That's the came what I mean, I want to put it,

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Speaker 3: you know as many So I to your point about

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Speaker 3: miamis you know there's I want dolphins early in the year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know these days dwindle at the end.

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Speaker 2: I'll find some of the replaces.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: I want to go. Why don't even start for me anymore?

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Speaker 2: Because if I'm still alive with four other teams, I'll

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Speaker 2: find somebody. Okay, so do you know how this works?

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Speaker 2: Like Week one, team eighteens eliminated. Is there a waivers

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Speaker 2: where they all put in? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, and you have fabe get the bid on

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Speaker 3: the guys, And.

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Speaker 2: I wonder there's an art to that too, right, I

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Speaker 2: don't know about all my fab money. Okay, the team,

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Speaker 2: the draft of Christ McCaffrey gets made. He's perfectly healthy.

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Speaker 2: He put up forty points in week one. I'm definitely

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Speaker 2: gonna put an offer in. But am I putting eighty

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Speaker 2: percent of my fab in? You know? That might be

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Speaker 2: enough to just keep me afloat all the way to

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Speaker 2: the end. If I can get a stuid like that.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm looking here at Draft Sharks. That's interesting, and

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Speaker 3: they're saying, you know, conserve your resources early just because

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Speaker 3: of that.

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Speaker 2: Sure, but again, you don't be eliminated.

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Speaker 3: If there's a star available, you got a bit heave

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Speaker 3: on the star, especially if it's at a position you're

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Speaker 3: weak at.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or boy, I don't think my death can get

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Speaker 2: me through, you know, or this guy might. Mike McCaffrey's

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Speaker 2: the alternate example. But if I could add him, I

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Speaker 2: can't imagine me being last.

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Speaker 3: There's a league I'm not going to need to pick

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Speaker 3: up unless he gets hurt. I'm not going to necessarily

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Speaker 3: need to pick up another running back, yeah, because he's

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Speaker 3: going to start every week the rest of the year.

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Speaker 2: But if there's eighteen teams in this league, some first

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Speaker 2: round pick is getting eliminated in week one, Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: then same is true every subsequent week, and they're gonna

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Speaker 2: get picked up by somebody. You're gonna be playing against him.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you're maybe you're you know, early in the season,

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Speaker 3: you're soft at quarterback. In an eighteen team league, you're

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Speaker 3: probably you know, if somebody's starting.

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Speaker 2: Or Mahomes could have got eliminated rely or third round

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Speaker 3: And the key is just they're a little safer too.

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Speaker 3: The key is to not be last.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe quarter That's why you draft the floor.

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Speaker 3: You want that. You want the guys with the high ceiling,

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Speaker 3: but the high floor as well.

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Speaker 2: Like, okay, I'll pieces sing together together.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to finish last.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just don't finish the last like I don't want

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Speaker 2: Nick Chubb. No, I way like that. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: and I'm sure they fall more, but yeah, still probably

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Speaker 3: I can't Afford Hawkinson and guys like that that this time.

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Speaker 2: No, but maybe I pick them up in week ten

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Speaker 2: or maybe interesting, I've never really thought of that strategy,

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Speaker 2: but that is it's a different look, totally different way. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: or even I don't even know quarter.

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Speaker 3: If I'm gonna GIA team league, I don't even know

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Speaker 3: if I pay attention to scheduling. Obviously I don't want

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Speaker 3: all my guys off in the same week, but I'm

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Speaker 3: not as concerned with who's going to be off in

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Speaker 3: the playoffs because they may not even be in my

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Speaker 3: starting lineup at that point.

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Speaker 2: And say, the one thing with scheduling I wouldn't want

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Speaker 2: is a lot of early buys. No, I don't want

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Speaker 2: early buys, right because I can't.

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Speaker 3: But again I don't. I also don't want half my

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Speaker 3: lineup is on a week nine buy or week ten.

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Speaker 2: How much pay attention to week one matchups? Like that's

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Speaker 2: really digging in heavy. But like if I have I

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Speaker 2: picked a really good team, but after I pick I

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Speaker 2: look at him like I'm facing like the five best

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Speaker 2: defenses in the league.

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Speaker 3: I don't want that. Yeah, but I also want I

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Speaker 3: want teams at home. Yeah, I want those, you know,

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Speaker 3: I want whether I want Weather. You know he's hard,

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Speaker 3: but whether could be You know.

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Speaker 2: What about rookie quarterbacks, Like maybe I don't take Justin

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Speaker 2: Jefferson super high, and I hope he gets eliminated and

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Speaker 2: I pick him.

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Speaker 3: Up and you pick him up, yeah, after you've seen

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Speaker 3: a couple of weeks, If you've seen a couple of weeks,

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Speaker 3: or maybe Justin Jefferson's better at the beginning with Arnold

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Speaker 3: than he is when the rookie gets do you take it?

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Speaker 3: Do you take a chance on the Jaden Daniels in

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Speaker 3: a league like that, hoping that he gets because if

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Speaker 3: you draft him, he's probably your starter in again, in

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Speaker 3: an eighteen team league or even twenty he's probably your

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Speaker 2: He'd be a hard one to get benched? But I

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Speaker 2: get your point, you know what I mean, Like I

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Speaker 2: don't know if Caleb Williams or Daniels could really get

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Speaker 3: Also I don't want to live through those rookie Yeah again,

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Speaker 3: would you.

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Speaker 2: Say away from running backs rookie hurt more?

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Speaker 3: Rookie quarterbacks. I don't want to go out in Week

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Speaker 3: just getting them. He's getting swamped. It's all new to

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Speaker 3: him with running backs.

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Speaker 2: He just had to get injured so much.

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Speaker 3: You have to look at the where they're at. You know,

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Speaker 3: where's your what's your situation? And you gotta watch the preseason.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't have a guillotine draft until training camp was

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Speaker 3: almost over. Yeah, just because of the depth that's going

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Speaker 2: See, I might even thinking about like first round picks,

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Speaker 2: but the Steelers are a perfect example. Might you be

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Speaker 2: more willing to take a Nause or a Warren because well,

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Speaker 2: his counterpart could get hurt and it helps medically my

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Speaker 2: one A one B situation could get it as injured

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Speaker 2: as the next guy. But more so, they're not gonna

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Speaker 2: kill me, you know, like if I'm out, I mean like,

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Speaker 2: they probably won't lose me week one, I mean two,

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Speaker 2: you know, because they're gonna get theirs might not win

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Speaker 2: me the week, but I'm not eighteenth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: As first, I'm kind of thinking some of this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the week one schedule would play a

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Speaker 3: big game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, with something that'd be definitely interested in.

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Speaker 3: I mean I would look at that. I mean, the

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Speaker 3: Steelers do play Atlanta, that's not.

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Speaker 2: A good defense, you know.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at for the Saints play the Panthers.

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Speaker 2: I'll say, both those guys, yeah, I'll I'll jump on that.

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Speaker 2: But Raven's Chiefs, Yeah maybe.

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Speaker 3: I mean I could see that Ravens Chiefs game on

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Speaker 3: September fifth being played in the twenty you know, low twenties.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of the Chiefs, are you high on Kelsey?

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Speaker 2: You know, like this, what if he's on a pitch

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Speaker 2: count early and they started getting You just don't know, right,

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Speaker 2: You just don't no.

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously the player is great.

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Speaker 2: Sure, but he's not gonna be cheap one draft day either.

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Speaker 3: Here's another one. Do you stay away from Packers and

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Speaker 3: Eagles in Week one because they're making that trip to Brazil.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how they're week one. I don't know

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Speaker 3: how anybody's going to react to that, to that trip.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those guys aren't gonna be cheap. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: gotta invest in Devonte Smith, Barkley Hurts, you know, and

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Speaker 2: even love and those guys aren't cheap. Huh. Is there

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Speaker 2: any strategy to team defenses? Do you take two?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean I might be digging too much into it because.

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Speaker 3: You're not gonna You're not going to replace them. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: probably not.

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Speaker 2: It's a whole different way of looking at it. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I just looking at some of the matchups. Here's week

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Speaker 3: one matchups like Rams Lions on on Sunday night, the

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Speaker 3: first Sunday night game Rams Lions. That could be my glore.

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Speaker 2: You know what might be smart to do before your

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Speaker 2: draft for Week one? Just fill out a DFS lineup.

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Speaker 2: Be like, this guy's got a great matchup, he doesn't

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Speaker 2: cost much. I'm gonna use an eighth round pick on

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Speaker 2: him instead of a tenth, you know, just because you

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Speaker 2: think you could hit big.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's high on Jets offensive pieces this.

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Speaker 2: Year, which might be fine for September.

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Speaker 3: They open at San Francisco.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't think their schedule is hard in general?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Cowboys Browns in Week one.

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Speaker 2: Schedule a side though a team like the Jets. I

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Speaker 2: would favor in this more than I would season long,

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Speaker 2: just because get me through as long as I possibly can,

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Speaker 2: and now pick up other guys to replace Rogers and whoever.

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Speaker 2: How about teams with new coaches, that's always you don't

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Speaker 2: know what it's gonna look like, like major new coordinator change,

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Speaker 2: but especially head coaches change. Teams like the Titans. We

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Speaker 2: think they're gonna throw a lot, but are they gonna

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Speaker 2: throw a lot? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: They play the Bears at Chicago one I can it

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Speaker 2: There's not too many. I would just not draft someone

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Speaker 3: I'd be wary of the Jets in Week one.

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Speaker 2: It's a tough one. I mean they could get shut out.

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Speaker 3: You could be making a choice. Do I want Brece

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, or Bijon or you know all right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'll steal them off. The guy gains if you draft.

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Speaker 3: Well, you don't have to spend all your fab money

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Speaker 3: Gaffret could get eliminated three times.

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Speaker 2: That's all he continue to be. You know, he keeps

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's always be something out there for always,

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Speaker 2: Like you could do a draft and end up with

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Speaker 2: the fourteenth best tight end. But if I just don't

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Speaker 3: I don't even know if I pay for a tight end,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, right, I mean, I'd take a flyer

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Speaker 2: And then Ingram becomes available, and I'll put two bucks

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Speaker 2: out there for you. If I don't get them, I

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Speaker 3: I'll get somebody else next week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there'll always be something. The pool always gets replenished. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I guess there's I mean you said there's usually

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Speaker 3: It's more than Yeah, usually more than, which is why

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this kind of league perfectly makes sense because it's

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Speaker 3: And they're still going to be out there. Those Yeah, interesting,

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Speaker 3: although it's a deeper a deeper draft.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, those guys will be hard to find. Huh. No,

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Speaker 2: that's a cool way. Some of these weird leagues out

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Speaker 2: there are really interesting. Yeah, I just creative.

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Speaker 3: I was listening to a show and they were talking

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Speaker 3: haven't really talked about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never really.

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Speaker 3: I know a lot of people, some team, some people.

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Speaker 3: If you got that many players, you got twenty players

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Speaker 3: that's I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I can't see where that would be fun. I don't

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Speaker 2: I was in one league like that was a dynasty league.

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Speaker 2: It was called a hyper Active league, and there was

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Speaker 2: the hyper Division and the Active Division, and Deebo Samuel

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Speaker 2: But then the super Bowl is against the other team. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: with kind of stinks, you know, I'm much sure what

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Speaker 2: there was a rule, like the bell sounds at noon,

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Speaker 2: the lineup because you know you need points that I don't,

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Speaker 3: You're hoping that guy lays an egg this week and right,

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't want to cancel. I'm gonna put

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Speaker 2: I think he can't possibly win because we both have

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Speaker 2: Kien Williams. Yeah, you know, so I'm gonna put anybody

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Speaker 3: Absolutely that one would be fun just to have something

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Speaker 2: I wonder if the rosters are a little I mean,

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Speaker 2: you can't go fifteen times eighteen.

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Speaker 3: Probably not because you don't need to have that guy.

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't need im. You just need a starter. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I would think you have shallow benches, but you're.

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Speaker 3: Still taking more players just because there's more teams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then when you get eliminated, their last guy

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Speaker 2: in your roster gets eliminated and you pick Ayah. I

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Speaker 2: would think you could pick up somebody almost every week. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you don't have to pay big for the biggest guy.

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Speaker 3: Now, I don't even know to your point about defenses, Like,

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Speaker 3: I'll just pick because the pool of teams is gonna

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Speaker 2: I'd be looking to stream a lot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, defenses, give me by, same with kickers.

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Speaker 2: Really yeah, just don't kill me this week, especially early

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Speaker 2: in the league, I'm gonna put all her in on it,

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Speaker 2: at least all of them, you know what I mean? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but how am I gonna get like five of them?

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Speaker 3: And then you got to cut all these guys?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, enough guys to do it? And you know

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Speaker 2: how I'm going to have to balance that? Yeah, Like

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Speaker 2: there's only one roster spot I want to open up.

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Speaker 2: I hate this dude, he's got to go. But how

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely a strategy involved a lot. Yeah, let's

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Speaker 3: the Fantasy Football Focus. Matt and I will be back

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Speaker 3: with more on the Drive right after this.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold car Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the Matt Williamson

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Speaker 3: and Matt change.

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Speaker 2: It up here a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Bucky Brooks has the all breakout team offense on the

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Speaker 3: NFL dot Com, So let's take a look at that.

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Speaker 3: He's being the offensive breakout players for twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: That's been something I've seen a lot on the internet

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Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks too, is beat writers are

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Speaker 2: all putting out their breakout player for each team, and

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Speaker 2: I think it's a good conversation. There's a lot of

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Speaker 3: A quarterback, he has Bryce Young.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a fan, however, I was listening to a

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Speaker 2: fantasy podcast and I forget this. Almost every year. One

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Speaker 2: of a really good strategy in the fantasy world is

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Speaker 2: drafting second year quarterbacks. Yeah, because they take a jump.

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Speaker 2: I mean, even if it's from garbage to below average

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Speaker 3: He's not gonna be as bad as he was, Like,

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Speaker 3: I can't get better weapons.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they have guards now, I mean they should

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Speaker 2: be able to protect up the middle. I think a

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Speaker 2: I would have never taken him first. Overall, I would

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Speaker 2: promise you he'll be better.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, running back Devin ah Chan, Yes, but he might be.

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Speaker 3: He might be a specialty player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, less might be more. Yeah, I mean, could he do.

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Speaker 2: He's not gonna average eight point two yards aga or whatever.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of who I would have at

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point player. So as mentioned, you know,

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Speaker 2: I always listen to podcasts. I reference that all the time.

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Speaker 3: And people thought it's all about opportunity.

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Speaker 2: There was somebody that's listened to That's exactly they said,

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Speaker 3: I think the guys are like Priest Holmes. Yeah, guys

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Speaker 3: a better situation because I think he's the clear number one.

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Speaker 2: Assuming he is the clear number one, he's a real

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Speaker 2: good one. Yeah. I think that's a great one. Could

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Speaker 2: I'd just say the easy ones are the rookies that

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Speaker 2: his second or breakout guys wide receiver.

441
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Speaker 3: There's two here, Jackson Smith and Jigba and Khalil Shakir.

442
00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,240
Speaker 3: We've talked about both of these guys a lot.

443
00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel much stronger about JS.

444
00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,280
Speaker 3: Well, there are actually three. Jada Reid Is on there too.

445
00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,159
Speaker 2: Okay, So here's one concern, which isn't Shakier's fault to me,

446
00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:36,960
Speaker 2: but just kind of how the bills are set up. Coleman,

447
00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:42,760
Speaker 2: Curtis Samuel, and Shakir might all be slots. Yeah, some

448
00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,840
Speaker 2: people look at Coleman, he's a big ball winner. He's

449
00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,640
Speaker 2: pickings outside the numbers. I don't think he's dynamic enough

450
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,280
Speaker 2: for that. I think he's more Marquis Colston slot guy.

451
00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,760
Speaker 2: The other two are a lot different style slots. But

452
00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,480
Speaker 2: he gave Curtis Samuel money. Who's gonna play on the

453
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,800
Speaker 2: outside for you? You know? But I do think Smith

454
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,439
Speaker 2: and Jigba we loved them coming out of school. He

455
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,680
Speaker 2: didn't do anything wrong. I think he start passes Lockett

456
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,880
Speaker 2: as their number two. Yeah, who's the one? Jade Reed,

457
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,159
Speaker 2: Jaden Reed? Yeah, problem with that.

458
00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,919
Speaker 3: At tight end it's Stalton Kincaid.

459
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,440
Speaker 2: I think that's an easy one too. Yeah. I think

460
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,600
Speaker 2: he out. I think gets more receptions than all those

461
00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:18,400
Speaker 2: guys in.

462
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 3: Buffalo offensive tackle. Two of them on here, Darnell Right

463
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 3: and day One Jones.

464
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,880
Speaker 2: Jones will be a starter though, I mean, right now

465
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:28,720
Speaker 2: Conklin's on this.

466
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,560
Speaker 3: Conklin's are still still there. And they're paying them money.

467
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 2: Right, it's a good one. I mean he got better

468
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:34,640
Speaker 2: and better.

469
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 3: And day one Jones is coming off a pretty serious

470
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 3: knee injury.

471
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that he'd be my pick. And

472
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,119
Speaker 2: they're both right tackles, so it's not like it's the

473
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 2: right left thing. I mean, honestly, Paris Johnson Broderick Jones.

474
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Speaker 3: Yeah, those guys you're talking about two guys who were

475
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 3: who were first round draft picks last year along with

476
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 3: Darnell Wright. Like, how do you ignore that?

477
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,240
Speaker 2: Right? Right? I mean Jones is fine, but he wouldn't

478
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:54,720
Speaker 2: have been my pick.

479
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,400
Speaker 3: A guard is Pete Skeronsky and Matthew bergeron again, two

480
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 3: second guys.

481
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 2: That Skronsky was slightly disappointing, but it was a position change.

482
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 2: He was on a terrible line. He gets a great

483
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 2: o line coach. I'll invest in him all day long.

484
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,360
Speaker 2: I mean, just watching him in Northwestern, I'm sure he's

485
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:15,440
Speaker 2: going to be a really good pro.

486
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,400
Speaker 3: Uh it's center. It's Joe Tipman.

487
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 2: That's a good one. Yeah. I remember you were a

488
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 2: big fan.

489
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 3: Of I like that big power center.

490
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he had to do a little guard, little center.

491
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 2: They had all kinds of shuffling on that line. If

492
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 2: he can just plug in from day one, be the

493
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 2: starting center via Tucker on one side of him, stability

494
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 2: a tackle, Yeah, he could be a top ten center

495
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 2: for the rest of his career. Yeah.

496
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 3: Moving over to the defensive side of things, this is

497
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:46,719
Speaker 3: Bucky as well as Bucky as well. We got on

498
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 3: the edge kvon Thibodeau.

499
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 2: I believe in him and having burns there makes his

500
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 2: life a lot easier, you could be.

501
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 3: So he had eleven and a half sacks last year,

502
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 3: you could kind of say he broke out last year.

503
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:57,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

504
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you get eleven and a half sacks.

505
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 2: Eleven and a half, right, Yeah, he has not been

506
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 2: disappointing at all.

507
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 3: No, no, no, give me somebody who's a little bit

508
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 3: more under the radar than that.

509
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know who his other is, but it

510
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 2: just so happens. We recorded a podcast before he came

511
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 2: on today with the Locked on Jaguars host. It really

512
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 2: started to dig into Travon Walker with him. You know, everyone

513
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 2: just assumes he's a bust. He was first overall pick.

514
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 2: He would have been a good pick on here, and

515
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 2: I think he's a real good pick. He had ten

516
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 2: and a half sacks, and the host of Locked on

517
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 2: Jaguars even quoted he didn't even know as a Steeler guy.

518
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 2: He's like Mike Tomlin said it best, you know, before

519
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 2: the Steelers played the Jags. This guy just Rex plays,

520
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 2: He does all kinds of He's a really good young

521
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 2: player that just because he was the first pick of

522
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 2: the draft, people don't think he's lived up to it.

523
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 2: You know, it also wasn't a good draft class.

524
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Speaker 3: And you know, Hutchinson's on TV all the time doing

525
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 3: stuff and that.

526
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 2: Was something he quoted too. It's like everyone would preferred

527
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 2: that Hutchinson. He's like, I'd rather Walker.

528
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 3: The two defensive tackles Jalen Carter, I agree, Keanu Benton nice.

529
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 2: I think that's very warranted. I'm not saying Carter's the

530
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 2: next Joan Donald, but I think he's gonna be one

531
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 2: of the best fens tackles in the league, assuming he

532
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 2: keeps his head on straight and showed enough flashes of

533
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: that early and Bent and Benton makes all the sense

534
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 2: in the world.

535
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think there's gonna be a lot of a

536
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 3: lot of more opportunities there for him this year.

537
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 2: I think the world's touching on too, that he was

538
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 2: an impact player that I think he can translate it

539
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 2: to more snaps too.

540
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,959
Speaker 3: The other edge is Lucas van Ness.

541
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 2: I don't know if I saw much out of him

542
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 2: as a rookie. I didn't study him intently. I didn't

543
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 2: love him coming out of school.

544
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 3: He had five sacks and fifteen pressures last year.

545
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: Okay, I was always kind of stiff, kind of a

546
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 2: straight line guy.

547
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 3: But I don't know who else I pick at linebacker.

548
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 3: Trenton Simpson and Devin Lloyd.

549
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 2: Okay, Lloyd needs a lot. We talked about him a

550
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 2: lot today too.

551
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 3: Is why I was, off the top of my head

552
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 3: your two linebackers.

553
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 2: Is he had a lot of recognition problem.

554
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 3: If I were doing at list like this, i'd pick

555
00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 3: a year three lineacker.

556
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And Trenton Simpson didn't even get the plays

557
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: play last year. Yeah, he's year two, but he's really

558
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: year one. I'm sure we'll run around and make plays,

559
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,959
Speaker 2: but I'm with you, I would pick more of a veteran.

560
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody who's in a situation is going to allow

561
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 3: him to, you know, just kind.

562
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 2: Of something that's already been there, done that a little bit.

563
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, at cornerback Christian Gonzalez. We didn't have much of a.

564
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 2: No, but it was really impressive. Yeah, I was shocked

565
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 2: he fell as hard as he did too that year.

566
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 3: Joshua Williams and Joey Porter Jr.

567
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 2: Nice Okay, I think that's that on.

568
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, so a couple of a couple of Steelers making

569
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 3: BUCkies List year thus far, Joshua Williams is a guy

570
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 3: that they're counting on to kind of, yeah, help replace

571
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 3: Lagerias sneed.

572
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know as much about him as the others,

573
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 2: but they do have a tremendous track record of developing

574
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: defensive backs. He flashed a lot last year. I think

575
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: that was part of the decision.

576
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a fourth round pick in twenty twenty

577
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 3: two out of Fayetteville State.

578
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 2: But he was one of those guys that was a

579
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 2: really good combine player. If he went to USC or Oklahoma,

580
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 2: you wouldn't have been a fourth round pick, you know,

581
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 2: with those testing. But he went to Fayeville State. Yeah.

582
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's safety. It's Jay R. Brown and Andre Cisco.

583
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 2: Okay, I know they were really happy with Brown. After

584
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 2: Hafongo went down. He played a lot more. Cisco has

585
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: always been a splash guy. I think he's starting to

586
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 2: show more consistency. So, yeah, that's a good list. Yeah,

587
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 2: Bucky does get work.

588
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 3: Anybody else on the on the Steelers roster that you

589
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 3: can think of that you would.

590
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 2: Peyton Wilson, but.

591
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 3: He's not a breakout yet because he's a rookie.

592
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bucky did the way I would. I would not

593
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 2: have included rookies. I think that's not fair. How do

594
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 2: he break out if you've never even been the league?

595
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 2: Roderick Jones we threw out there.

596
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jones, I think I think, honestly, I think he

597
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 3: belongs on the list.

598
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would put him over.

599
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: I mean day one Jones was fine last year. Everybody

600
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 3: I think is kind of enamored with him. I mean, hey,

601
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 3: I did the same thing he had. He practiced a

602
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 3: one day at the down at the Senior Bowl two

603
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 3: years ago, just like hens human being.

604
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think every air line coach in the world

605
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 2: would take the Steelers jumps over the Browns grounds.

606
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 3: There's a reason why one was a first round pick

607
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 3: and one was a what four?

608
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, they named Vent and they named Porter. They're

609
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 2: the obvious ones. I don't know if there's anybody else

610
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 2: that like jumps out non rookies. No, yeah, I mean

611
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: his breakouts. I mean, could Pickens go from a B

612
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 2: minus to an A minus?

613
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 3: Well, I mean if you conclude you include guys on

614
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 3: here ten and a half sacks last year, then yeah,

615
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 3: you could say. I mean, could Pickens go for fourteen

616
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 3: hundred yards? Fifteen hundred?

617
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? Right? I mean it's not like people don't know

618
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: who he is. I mean he's not a sleeper or whatever.

619
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Speaker 2: But could he take a big step forward? Absolutely? Yeah,

620
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: Calvin Austin could go from a nobody to a regular contributor.

621
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody's rough, but I mean he can be sixteen

622
00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 3: catchers last year?

623
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? Could he triple that? Yeah? Yeah, I mean that

624
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 2: would be a minor breakout. I don't know he needs

625
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 2: to be on there.

626
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 3: Can he finished with more catchers than Khalil Shakir or

627
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 3: Jayden Reid or I.

628
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 2: Would say no, but probably not right, I mean putting

629
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: on the list over those guys. But could his career

630
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: against a gal Yeah?

631
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, I mean could Van Jefferson would give

632
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 3: him more opportunities this.

633
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: Year, be catch fifty balls or whatever?

634
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 3: I mean he caught fifty balls two three years ago

635
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 3: for the Rams. Yeah, for eight hundred yards.

636
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: Breakouts is big a word for him.

637
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 3: But yeah again, if he approaches a thousand yards this season, yeah,

638
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 3: you know, clearly locks down the number two spot.

639
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, no I hear Elliott or I could

640
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 2: see not really his game.

641
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 3: I could see Elliott though, Yeah, like I could see.

642
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: We don't talk about it much.

643
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: I could see Deshaun Elliott becoming a fan favorite in Pittsburgh. Yeah,

644
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 3: just because of the style that he plays, that the

645
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 3: hard hitting, put your nose in there, and I hope.

646
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: People realize he's got a really strong all around game. Yeah.

647
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: Playing next to Minca gives him the opportunity to do

648
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 3: what he does best.

649
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: I mean he may be a steal at Pittsburgh breakout

650
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 2: type game. Yeah, okay, we're kind of happy.

651
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what you said. But people aren't really

652
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 3: talking about that signing like a big deal.

653
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 2: But it's a pretty big deal. I mean, he might

654
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 2: play as many snaps as anyone on the defense.

655
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I expect him to play nine hundred

656
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 3: and more snaps this year easily.

657
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: I mean Evans always did. Yeah, I mean I think

658
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 2: he'll be pigeonholed for that.

659
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 3: And I think he's a better player than Tourolla.

660
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Speaker 2: I do think he's better almost everything I think.

661
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's a solid B. Yeah, you know,

662
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Speaker 3: Edmonds was probably you know, c Plus is somewhere not

663
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Speaker 3: right at.

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Speaker 2: The same age, right, Yeah, and the one's the starter

665
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Speaker 2: and one's not right.

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00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, could he could he have a

667
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,959
Speaker 3: better season than than Jay R. Brown or Andre Cisco?

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00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he could be in their neighborhood for sure. One

669
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Speaker 2: of those guys going to challenge Minca to be the

670
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: best safety in the league was going to be quality.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't think either one was going to a

672
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Speaker 3: Pro Bowl this year.

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00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, neither would be shocked. Yeah, so no, I could

674
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Speaker 2: see I can see Elliott being the conversation, especially like

675
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: to our listeners, you know, like he's fine, we really

676
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: like it, right, yeah, changing their opinion.

677
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: Steeler fans like the guys who again they're hard hitting,

678
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 3: you know, play the game right to tone. Yeah, kind

679
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 3: of players.

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00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: He does bring that.

681
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 3: His his introductory press conference was like I'm like, oh,

682
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 3: the people fans are gonna love this guy.

683
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: Plus he doesn't make a lot of mistakes.

684
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a that's a big thing, you know, don't

685
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: make the mistakes.

686
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: And when him and Mika look at each other after

687
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: a touchdown with their poems in the air like it

688
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: was a you guy or my guy, like no, no, no,

689
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: we need to be solid and then put the spectacle

690
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Speaker 2: on top of it.

691
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. So anyways, that's that's Bucky Brooks's list of players.

692
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 3: Get a couple of Steelers on there, and Kean Whu

693
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 3: Benton and Joey Porter Junior again, second Moost second round

694
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 3: picks you expect. And a lot of the guys on

695
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 3: this list were first or second and third last year.

696
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 2: I mean that's a career trajectory you're looking for.

697
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: You you should make that big second year jump.

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00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: Yep. And those guys already showed enough that. Yeah, I'd

699
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: be shocked if they go backwards.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely. Let's get to another break. He is the

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Speaker 3: Matt Williamson Bally. You're listening to the Drive here on

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Speaker 3: Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back to finish up the

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Speaker 3: show right after this.

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Speaker 3: last Friday, we had the conversation and you talked about

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Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin and one of the underrated things, the thing,

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Speaker 3: it's kind of underrated, but it's a reason why you

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Speaker 3: respect it that you just find ways to win Gameah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think there's very few human beings on

718
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: the planet that have those really strong understanding of how

719
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: to win NFL football games. I mean, Bill Parks Sells

720
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Speaker 2: and people that are retired, and tom is one of them.

721
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 3: So it got me to thinking about this, and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I wonder where Tomlin ranks in terms of one score

723
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 3: game winning one score games in his career.

724
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: Wow, Because we've talked.

725
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 3: About that a lot. There are certain guys that just

726
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 3: know how to do it.

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00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: Yes, so giving two this would be redundant for some

728
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Speaker 2: of you. Every analytics person that I've ever studied, analytics

729
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: will always tell you one score games always are likely

730
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: to regress to the mean, you know, which means if

731
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: you want a time of them, chances are that won't

732
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 2: keep up. If we were one very few of them,

733
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: chances are you'll get quote luckier. I think Tomlin and

734
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: a few others buck that trend because I think there's

735
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: an art, just like anything, hitting knuckleball or whatever. You know.

736
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: I mean, some people are better than others.

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Speaker 3: Now, history tells us we're just pure. Analytics tells us

738
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Speaker 3: that you should be fifty to fifty in these type

739
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 3: of games over the course of a long career.

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Speaker 2: Ever long career. That goes back to if you only

741
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Speaker 2: have a five game sample size in twenty twenty two

742
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: and you were five and zero one score games, the

743
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: analytics folks say, well, you'll probably be two and three

744
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: next week, right, you know what I mean?

745
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: Okay, So since nineteen seventy, wow coaches with the most

746
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 3: wins in one score games, it's eight points or less.

747
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: I'm to say this is since the two point version

748
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: they've turned into.

749
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Speaker 3: Eight, Bill Belichick with one hundred and twenty. Well, Andy

750
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 3: Reid with one hundred and ten.

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00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: Now they have a lot of wins in non one

752
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: score games too.

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00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 3: You know they've coached longer. Yeah, Don Shula with one

754
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 3: hundred and six. Wow, real quick on Shula.

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00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: I mean people won't remember this, but when I was

756
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: a kid, one of the things that I was taught

757
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: early with Shula was he was always like the least

758
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: penalized team in the league. That stuff matters. It's like

759
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: special teams with Harbor.

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00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 3: You know, Dan Reeves fourth with one hundred and four

761
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 3: or I'm sorry, hundred and five.

762
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: And he was a grinded out, tough guy. Coach Landry Disciple.

763
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Speaker 3: Number five tied number five with Marty Schottenheimer with ninety

764
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Speaker 3: eight is Mike Tomlin.

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00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: Okay, Reeves and Schottenheimer have similar fundamentally.

766
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 3: Well, we should be in the Hall of Fame as coaches.

767
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have some Knoll like qualities in terms of fundamentals.

768
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: Run the football, tackling, blocking. People think of that as

769
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: old school, but it still works.

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Speaker 3: Best winning percentage.

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Speaker 2: Okay, say, I'm almost more impressed with.

772
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Speaker 3: That winning percentage in one score games since nineteen seventy

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Speaker 3: number one, Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 2: Wow, nineteen seventy six, fifteen six fifteen Wow.

775
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Speaker 3: Tony Dungee is also at six fifteen. Tomlin's winning percentage

776
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Speaker 3: slightly better, uh Toman ninety eight sixty one and two,

777
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Speaker 3: Dongee sixty seven and forty two.

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Speaker 2: Okayan their neck and neck. Yeah, there's this, Yeah, flight

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Speaker 2: math Schulo.

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Speaker 3: Was one hundred and sixty sixty seven and two, so

781
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 3: that's a six twelve winning percentage, Okay. Then you have

782
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 3: Marty Schottenheimer at ninety eight sixty six and one. That's

783
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Speaker 3: a five ninety seven.

784
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Speaker 2: And real quick on shula. I mean most of that's

785
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 2: pre Marino. Yeah, I mean, like, here's a quarterback, but

786
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Speaker 2: like no name defense, No name defense says great coaching

787
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Speaker 2: to me.

788
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 3: And then Bud Grant is fifth at sixty seven forty

789
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 3: five and two at five ninety six.

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Speaker 2: These are all Hall of Fames.

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Speaker 3: I understand Schottenheimer's on in, but the other three guys

792
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Speaker 3: on their list all they're all Hall of Fame coaches.

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00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: And Shchotnimer shouldn't take it.

794
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 3: Sh should be Yeah.

795
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 2: I don't know if Eves should be in, but he's

796
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: got a case you know, back to the original list.

797
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 3: Most wins in one score games since two thousand and seven,

798
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 3: which will be Tomlin's first year.

799
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 2: Okay, he's gotta be number one.

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00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 3: Well maybe Belichick Toman number one with ninety eight ninety

801
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 3: eight number two. This is where it gets real. This

802
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 3: is where it's shocking. Andy Reid was seventy.

803
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: Eight twenty less.

804
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 3: Wow, and he's coached the entire time, so it's not.

805
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 2: Just since the Chiefs or whatever.

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00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, Then you got Hardball with seventy one. There's

807
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 3: one fewer year there, but still he's twenty seven wins.

808
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 3: He's twenty seven wins ahead of him.

809
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,479
Speaker 2: Right, and Thomas one more year game sixteen sixty more.

810
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 3: Then you got Belichick with sixty nine, and Mike McCarthy

811
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 3: was sixty six.

812
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: Wow. I hate this. But someone out there is going, well,

813
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: you should never be Belichick won by ten all the time.

814
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: He's like, no, I mean, this is super impressive stuff. Okay,

815
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: you should never be in this many one score.

816
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 3: Games, best best winning percentage in one game since two

817
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 3: thousand and seven. Tomlin's at six fifteen. We know that. Yeah,

818
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 3: that's number one. Then you've got this is a minimum

819
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Speaker 3: of one hundred games. Coach by the way, Okay, Belichick

820
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 3: number two. Belichick in one score games sixty nine and

821
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 3: fifty that's a five eighty winning percentage.

822
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Speaker 2: His last two years really hurt him.

823
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, the last two years, I don't know how

824
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 3: many one, I don't know how they lost by more

825
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 3: more than then you got McCarthy at sixty six fifty

826
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 3: two and two. That's a five point fifty eight.

827
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Speaker 2: That guy's been a little thrown under the bus a

828
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 2: little bit too. But he also not my favorite coach,

829
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 2: but he's on some of these lists and at least

830
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: should be pat on the back.

831
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 3: Sean Payton sixty three fifty three. That's a five forty

832
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 3: three winning percentage.

833
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: That's one of the best. Sixty three and fifty three.

834
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 2: That doesn't sound super impressive, but that's impressive stuff.

835
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 3: Andy Reid in one score games since nineteen so I'm sorry,

836
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: since two thousand and seven, seventy eight, sixty seven and one.

837
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 3: That's a five thirty eight winning percentage.

838
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: And that's one of the best.

839
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 3: And that's one of you're talking about one of the

840
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 3: best coaches.

841
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 2: There are people's talk famers all over that people.

842
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 3: Talking about this now like Andy Reid should be considered, Like,

843
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: if you're going to put a rush, I'm not rushmore

844
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 3: of the top four coaches of all time, Andy Reid

845
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: belongs on that list.

846
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: Now he's knocking on the door.

847
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 3: And the legitimate conversation.

848
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know who they take off, Yeah wals

849
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: should Belichick not on there anymore? So when people talk.

850
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: About tom and I might add the last two years

851
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 3: of this, and they've had winning records in these one

852
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: score games the last two years without Ben Roethlisberger, And

853
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 3: you go back to twenty nineteen, they didn't have Ben

854
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 3: Roethlisberger and they won a bunch of one score games.

855
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 3: I when the people talk about Tomlin being a bad coach,

856
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 3: you show what a more on you are. It's some

857
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 3: of this And I don't care if I offend any

858
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: of the listeners out there. Nobody in the country, nobody

859
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 3: who knows anything about football, who actually knows a thing

860
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,959
Speaker 3: about football, says Mike Tomlin is a bad football coach.

861
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: No, quite the polar opposite. I mean quite the polar opposite.

862
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: Does he make mistakes one percent?

863
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 2: Oh yeah?

864
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 3: Does Andy Reid make mistakes one hundred percent? And did

865
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick make mistakes one percent.

866
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean Andy Reid was known for years

867
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: and years and years of being like the worst time

868
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: management guy in the league. Yeah, I mean massive, you know,

869
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 2: and some of these guys like Peyton and Reid that

870
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: have the big, you know, cheesecake menus in front of them,

871
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: aren't paying any attention to the defense and they're gone

872
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: strated on one side of the ball, and you know

873
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 2: that let that side get away from at times and

874
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: part of it. And we're guilty of this. I mean,

875
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 2: we're we scrutinize the Steelers. Weren't anybody else. Is if

876
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 2: we studied every play that Belichick or Parcels or Gibbs

877
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: or whoever did in their career and wrote about an

878
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: article every game ever you play, yeah, you're gonna find

879
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: negative stuff, right, this is not one hundred percent you

880
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 2: know business.

881
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: I mean it was Belichick who ran the trick play

882
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 3: against the coltst the one year.

883
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 2: He did all kinds of crazy stuff.

884
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 3: If you remember that they just had the punter lineup

885
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 3: under center, and everybody.

886
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: Else was yeah, like mus if Tomlin did that, yeah,

887
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: or if first year head coach does that in week one,

888
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 2: like he doesn't get the week two. I mean the

889
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 2: fact that he's Belichick is you get away with it?

890
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: I mean the ring around the rosie stuff that Reed

891
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 3: does and all that's, like, you let these guys do

892
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 3: that stuff and you have Travis Kelsey taking a direct snap. Yeah,

893
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: like those are those are foolish things to do. But yeah,

894
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 3: but the Ledger says, you're a good you are a

895
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 3: good football you are you win more than you lose?

896
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: Right? Is Tomlin the best challenge flag guy out there? No,

897
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: he has not been. But the fact that he can

898
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 2: win with good quarterbacks, without good quarterbacks, one score games

899
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: for such a long stretch is so rare. I mean, yeah,

900
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 2: it's top ten head coach.

901
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 3: Ever, I get there are things that are frustrating about it.

902
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 3: Of course, it made some bad hires with with assistant

903
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 3: coaches and things of that nature. And despite that, right,

904
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 3: they found ways.

905
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,959
Speaker 2: To win games. Look at Belichick's hires. Yeah, yeah, what's

906
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 2: his tree done? I'm like, would you rather have?

907
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 3: Would you rather have a very slight coaching tree or

908
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 3: one like Belichicks where he's got a lot of big

909
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 3: coaching tree.

910
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 2: But they all stink, right, there's no leaves on the

911
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,479
Speaker 2: trees and they're all barren and right they we're all

912
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 2: bad without them. I mean they make build to me

913
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 2: that may Bill look better. Yeah, I don't know. I

914
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 2: don't know it. Still it still makes me crazy anytime

915
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 2: I post anything about Tomlin or quotes on it, whatever.

916
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: It's almost all fifty to fifty. Boy, we're so lucky

917
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 2: to have him. Really a great coach or hasn't won

918
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: a playoff game forever. Time to move on this. This

919
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 2: organization doesn't know what they could have. You know what

920
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 2: you're talking about. You just don't.

921
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, again, I'm up close to ply. You know, when

922
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 3: Terry Bradshaw comes out and says he's just a cheerleader, Terry,

923
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 3: come to practice once once, which I haven't seen in

924
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 3: the in the thirty plus years that I've covered the team,

925
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 3: Come to practice once and watch and tell me Mike

926
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 3: Tomlin's a cheerleader.

927
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 2: I'm sure. I let you right down on the field

928
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: and you can be very you.

929
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 3: Would be very welcome to come in and watch, you know.

930
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 3: And and then people pick up on that, well, he's just

931
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 3: a cheerleader. You don't know what you're talking about. That's

932
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 3: one of the worst descriptions I've heard. Yeah, I mean

933
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 3: because he's very hands on. I mean people tell you.

934
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: Draft meetings, free agent meetings, and not a head coaches

935
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 2: that's not their specialty. I mean, no, he can coach

936
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: a team and.

937
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 3: Honestly that that's that can be. It's it's a strength

938
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 3: and you wonder with with Mike. I don't know how

939
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 3: he does it, to be quite I don't. I don't

940
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 3: know how you how you put that much on your

941
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 3: plate and are still capable of handling it.

942
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just watch it.

943
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, this guy's like the energizer Bunny.

944
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: There are some head coaches that don't get super involved

945
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: in the offense, don't get super involved the defense, the

946
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: kind of ceo it like Paterno end of his career

947
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: or whatever. It's not what he's doing. I mean he's

948
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 2: super involved with both sides during the week and yeah, yeah,

949
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: all of the stuff. I mean, so, no, I I

950
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: I get that there's some frustration around here.

951
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 3: And you know, I have bowl if I turned anybody

952
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 3: off by saying, you're a moron if you think he

953
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 3: should be fired, Yeah, I I I stand by that.

954
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe that's a little harsh, I understand, but

955
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 3: There aren't many coaches in the league. Andy Rebing won

956
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 3: that you look at and go that that guy's better, right,

957
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 3: that guys, I know that guy's better. I know, I

958
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 3: know that.

959
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 2: You know.

960
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

961
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: Tom would have done pretty well in Kansas City, the.

962
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 3: Last Tom would do pretty well with with with San

963
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 3: Francisco's roster, you know, sure, absolutely. I mean you get

964
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: lucky on some pick, you get lucky, and you did.

965
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 3: Did San Francisco when they drafted brock Purty think he

966
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 3: was going to be brought pretty Hell? No, of course

967
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 3: they would have taken him in the first round.

968
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: They wouldn't have done the Lance stuff.

969
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, right right, they wouldn't have traded up for Trey Lance.

970
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: Like there's great coaches and great quarterbacks go hand in

971
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 2: hand forever and ever. Yeah, I mean, there aren't many.

972
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: It's pretty rare to have all the Hall of Fame

973
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 2: coaches all the Hall of Fame quarterbacks. There's a lot

974
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 2: of lines that batch those two together.

975
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 3: That's the one thing about Schottenheimer you look at and

976
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 3: you're like, give them, everybody, give them that. Yeah, you

977
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 3: know he had Joe Montana at the end at the

978
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 3: end for year or two. Yeah, that's the best that

979
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: he had.

980
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 2: Ye give him somebody, you know. And even like Drew

981
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: Brees was okay with the Chargers, but when he met

982
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: Peyton and was healthy, they were great together. And we'll

983
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: see what Peyton does post Brie. Yeah.

984
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: And even with that, Sean Payton sixty three fifty three

985
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 3: in one score games. He had Drew Brees. And if

986
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 3: you look at any list, going back to our earlier segment,

987
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 3: the list that they put together the top ten quarterbacks,

988
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:55,919
Speaker 3: Drew Brees is one of the top ten.

989
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: Ben Roethlisberger was not. And we can make the we

990
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 2: could make me a fight back and forth. I prefer

991
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 2: Ben because of the conditions he played under. But both

992
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: would have been better where they're act than where they

993
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: would have been, you know what I mean, they were

994
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: They've found themselves in the right spots, but they're in

995
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: the same neighborhood.

996
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're both, Yeah quarterbacks. You could make the argument

997
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 3: Tomlin did more with his Hall of Fame quarterback than

998
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: Peyton did with Breeze.

999
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 2: Any of the Ravens. The Ravens are not a fun

1000
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: organization to deal with every year. Yeah, I mean, I

1001
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 2: have great respect for Baltimore, not they don't with SINCI

1002
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: and Cleveland or even the NFC North or NFC South teams.

1003
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: But in the Tomlin era, two of the top four

1004
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: teams in the league are in the same division.

1005
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 3: Pretty traditional year out.

1006
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've hurt each other's legacy a lot. Yeah, without question.

1007
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's gonna do it for today's show. Hopefully people

1008
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 3: tune back in. After I called the morons, I apologize.

1009
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 3: I I just it just burns me a little bit

1010
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 3: when I think expartments are made when you don't really

1011
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 3: know what you're talking about with with if you dig

1012
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 3: into the numbers, the numbers say he's.

1013
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: A good football coach, and some of you have to

1014
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 2: trust the football coach. You more than me that if

1015
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 2: you're around the organization a lot and at practice every day,

1016
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 2: you see it. I mean you feel it.

1017
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 3: You know, if you if you're making the trip to

1018
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 3: training camp, watch what Mike Tomlin does during practice. He's

1019
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 3: not standing there, He's not up on top of up

1020
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 3: on a platform watching practice. He's down their hands on,

1021
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: talking to coaching and talking to you guys.

1022
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: And joking with the GM or the cap guy or

1023
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 2: his friend on the sideline or whatever. He's coaching.

1024
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 3: He's coaching the entire time. Uh, that's going to do

1025
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 3: it for our show today. I'm can't Oh, I can't wait. Yeah,

1026
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Speaker 3: we're in July, now get there. Camp seasons all in

1027
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Speaker 3: front of us. For my partner Matt Williamson, for justin

1028
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 3: here on site keeping us on the air, I'm Dale Lalli.

1029
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Speaker 3: We thank you for listening to this edition of the

1030
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