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Speaker 3: Hey guys, Happy Friday. How's everybody doing.

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Speaker 2: Good girl show, Let's go, Let's go, Queen talk about

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Speaker 2: the boys. It was a big week over at Breaking Points.

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Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, we call some waves this week.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any doubt about it.

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Speaker 4: Oh No, all the way to Colbert Waves, all the

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Speaker 4: way to Colbert.

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Speaker 3: True. Yeah, where it really counts.

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Speaker 4: You know, it really happens unless Stephen Colbert talks about it.

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Speaker 4: As the saying goes the biz.

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Speaker 2: Everyone knows that. Everyone knows that. That's why he's being

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Speaker 2: canceled because he's over the target.

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Speaker 3: Emily, that's right, that's right, well, so true, queen.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we had the big Alyssa Slotkin interview this week,

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Speaker 2: I think perhaps even more significant, even though that got

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Speaker 2: like crazy, you know, attention, and I think kind of

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Speaker 2: forced her hand on this boat with Bernie Sanders will

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Speaker 2: talk more about that. We also had the interview yesterday

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Speaker 2: with the GHF whistleblower, former green Beret, which was just extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: You know, here's a man who served nine combat tours

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Speaker 2: is being done to human beings, not only by the Israelis,

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Speaker 2: really I hope people watch that interview because for someone

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Speaker 2: who has so much credibility in terms of serving theaters

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Speaker 2: to be that horrified and shocked to his core by

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Speaker 2: what our country is doing in Gaza. I think it

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Speaker 2: I hope that people are paying attention to People.

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Speaker 4: Are definitely paying attention. That interview has gone viral in

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Speaker 4: just less than twenty four hours, so it was great

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Speaker 4: stuff from you guys.

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Speaker 3: So we've got a lot to get to this morning.

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Speaker 2: There are new tariffs, there's new jobs numbers, we've got

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Speaker 2: new reaction to the Slotkin interview. We have a doctor

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if you guys know this, every

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Speaker 2: in a specifically medical professional. I don't know why the

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Speaker 2: But it's so important to hear the voices of doctors

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Speaker 2: who have been there on the ground, and you know,

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Speaker 2: to hear their words of what they're specifically seeing right now.

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Speaker 2: And we've also got Kamala Harris coming out potentially again

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Speaker 2: another Colbert another Colbert special here potentially positioning ourselves to

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Speaker 4: Oh you forgot that we also have access to Jade

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Speaker 4: Vance's playlists apparently on Spotify, So.

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Speaker 3: I buried the lead. Sorry about that.

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Speaker 4: That was really everything that we That's what we're really

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Speaker 4: to stick around to hear about Jady Vance's playlist.

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Speaker 3: What do we got here? Griffin?

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm trying to you know, enjoy my Stephen Colbert community.

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Speaker 5: we now know the senator was recording this interview you

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Speaker 5: preventing further funding to Israel for offensive weapons. Another comment here,

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Speaker 5: for publicity, then her pr told her to go to

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Speaker 5: Colbert's for damage control. Breaking Points interview really helps show

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Speaker 5: Senator Slockin's true character. Everyone needs to get her interviewed

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Speaker 5: on Breaking Points. That's how an interview should be handled.

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Speaker 5: And finally, Breaking Points really dropped the ball by not

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Speaker 5: asking Senator Slockin about her opinion on hot dogs versus

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Speaker 3: True? We miss that, we missed. That didn't have time.

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Speaker 3: That's the game. They know what we do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they know what we do, right, And you know,

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Speaker 3: They showed a lot to this.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I you know, I was seeing the messages

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Speaker 2: starts saying, well, I think there's a distinction between offensive

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Speaker 2: about defensive weapons. And this was before I knew. I

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Speaker 2: doesn't commit, and then happens to decide that it's more

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Speaker 2: of the Colbert Stephen Colbert. I still want to call

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Speaker 4: Oh don't you dare?

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Speaker 7: Yeah's a good.

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Speaker 3: Name of that show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But in any case, she decides it's more important

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Speaker 2: taking this vote to block weapons going into a genocide.

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Speaker 2: So this is noted by many people, and she put

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Speaker 2: Here it's giving Ackman, you know Ackman for sure, and

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Speaker 2: That too, right, Yeah, I mean you know, if Jimmy

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Speaker 2: on that. So I don't know, what do you guys,

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Speaker 4: It's the best trick on Capitol Hill to miss the

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Speaker 4: her doing that on a critical vote for Democrats, at

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Speaker 4: question is, so why she has pushed herself for exposure

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Speaker 4: Now, on the other hand, we talked about this privately,

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Speaker 4: but I thought a couple of interesting things came out

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Speaker 4: lot of interesting things, but just in terms of reading

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Speaker 7: She seemed to me like she was leaning into that.

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Speaker 4: But so she wanted to sort of be seen as somebody,

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Speaker 4: which is very interesting for like the mascot of moderate

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've slot in for this week.

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Speaker 8: Correct, Even though in early Poland you'd beat every other

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Speaker 9: I am listen, I am a devout public servant. I

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Speaker 6: They don't want to write.

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Speaker 3: I want to talk to her. Come on, breaking Kamala.

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Speaker 5: Your immediate reaction. We haven't really talked abou Kamala almost

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Speaker 2: Well, I think what you just said is very revealing,

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Speaker 2: I agree, and he's behaving as a fascist and it's

437
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 2: been worse than any of us could have imagined. And

438
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Speaker 2: you've had nothing to say about that. Like you told

439
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Speaker 2: us that you were, you know, your heart was breaking

440
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 2: over what was happening in Gaza. Where have you been

441
00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 2: to say even say anything about that? So, like, I mean,

442
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:06,360
Speaker 2: she's she's so hollow. She's trying to follow the Obama

443
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 2: model of being like a brand. She doesn't have nearly

444
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 2: the like charisma or talent to pull that off remotely.

445
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 2: And you know, it's just it's just if she actually

446
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 2: thinks she has a shot in a presidential primary, let

447
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 2: alone a general election, this is the most delusional person

448
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 2: on the planet. But based on what she said there,

449
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 2: I think she does. I think she's been convinced. And

450
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 2: you know, the polls will come out and they'll show her, yeah,

451
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 2: with you know, leading the Democratic primary, which is very

452
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 2: disturbing to me, but we all know, the moment that

453
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 2: she's actually out there on a debate stage, people will

454
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 2: be reminded of why it is that they didn't vote

455
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 2: for her back when she ran in twenty twenty and

456
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 2: how she, you know, was part of losing in twenty

457
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Speaker 2: twenty four. And I don't lay all of that at

458
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 2: her feet, because I think there were she came in

459
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 2: with a lot of baggage. But she also gets responsibilities

460
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 2: since she was the one on the ticket and made

461
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 2: some really bad decisions, especially down the stretch. So I

462
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 2: what happens with these politicians is they have people around them.

463
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 2: Kamala is very much a person who puts herself in

464
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 2: a bubble she's very cautious, you know, she's very sort

465
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 2: of brittle in terms of taking criticism, and so she's

466
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,199
Speaker 2: got people around to her who would profit off of

467
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 2: her running for president.

468
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 3: So they're pumping her up. Look at this poll.

469
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Speaker 2: Look they love you. Look at go on, Colbert, See

470
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 2: how the audience is cheering for you. They'll you know,

471
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 2: they'll be delighted to have you back in. Like, it's

472
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 2: just it's it's absurd. Kyle and I have a disagreement

473
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 2: on this. He's concerned that Kamala could actually do well

474
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Speaker 2: in a primary.

475
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Speaker 3: I just don't.

476
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Speaker 5: You're saying, don't trust the polls because we see her

477
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 5: name and maybe it's just name recognition.

478
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 3: Name recognition.

479
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 9: Yes it is.

480
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Speaker 2: She's I mean, there's just she there's a reason why

481
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 2: people rejected her the first time she ran. And even

482
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 2: putting every four while yes, that's right, and putting everything aside,

483
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 2: you think the Democratic electorate is going to put somebody

484
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Speaker 2: back up who's a proven loser. Like, if there's one

485
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 2: thing they're going to be desperate to do, it's going

486
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: to be to pick someone who could maybe actually win.

487
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 2: So I, you know, I don't think there's any way

488
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: that she would be able to secure the nomination. I

489
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 2: guess you never know, but for me, that's not really

490
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 2: a fear.

491
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Speaker 6: Well.

492
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Speaker 4: I also wanted to point out something that's a connection

493
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Speaker 4: between that Kamala Harrison interview and Delisa Slotkin interview and

494
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Speaker 4: Stephen Colbert, and actually even Slotkin coming on breaking points

495
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 4: and talking to different people. Kamala Harrish just said her

496
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Speaker 4: primary reason for not running for governor of California. I

497
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 4: think we can probably all agree it's likely that she

498
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Speaker 4: does want to run for president again. Based on that interview,

499
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Speaker 4: it sounded like campaigny, but she said it was because

500
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Speaker 4: she thinks the system is broken. And that sounds like

501
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 4: a tested, strategized talking point, and that is about to

502
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Speaker 4: be a very deeply cynical, I think, a very deeply

503
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 4: cynical strategy of the Democratic Establishment. They have picked up

504
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Speaker 4: on the mood of the party base. When you have

505
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 4: the fighting Oligarchy tour going into red states, drawing massive

506
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,239
Speaker 4: crowds of as Dave Weigel said, normy Dems, not just

507
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 4: you know, sort of burnie people. But that's the Democratic establishment.

508
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 4: And I would just tell people right now, you're about

509
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 4: to hear this ad nauseam until twenty twenty eight. It's

510
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 4: how Trump took some voters away from the Democratic Party.

511
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 4: And it's obviously very very easy to say, but it's

512
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 4: from people like Kamala Harris and Alyssa Slotkin. They know

513
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Speaker 4: that's the mood of the country. That was their first step.

514
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 4: They didn't understand it. They didn't acknowledge it. First step

515
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 4: is admitting you had a problem. They've been failing that

516
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 4: for a decade now, and they're about to adopt a

517
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Speaker 4: deeply cynical strategy of using that to try and I

518
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Speaker 4: guess sway people back to these moderate candidates.

519
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and because Griffin, it's like, oh, the system's broken

521
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: or the institutions weren't strong enough.

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Speaker 3: It's like, lady, you were president, so you know. That's

523
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Speaker 3: the thing.

524
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Speaker 2: That's what annoys me, maybe more than anything, is when

525
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 2: they act like they are powerless or were powerless. Jeez,

526
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 2: I wish someone with some power had bolstered our institutions.

527
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 2: That seemed like a good thing to do while you

528
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 2: were literally vice president of the United States for four years.

529
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it was such a botched explanation too.

530
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 5: She was like, well, I worked in the system, but

531
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Speaker 5: now I don't want to be in the system because

532
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,719
Speaker 5: the system is broken. Like she's like I argue with

533
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 5: my mom and dad about being a CA Like it

534
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 5: was just it was kind of all over the place,

535
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Speaker 5: and it reminded me because we haven't watched her in

536
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 5: so long. Like every time I'm like gets asked a question,

537
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 5: it's like she had never expected the question before. Like

538
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 5: she's like totally improv one oh one right, like just

539
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 5: trying to figure it out. It's like, this is the

540
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 5: most basic question you're going to get asked, why aren't

541
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 5: you running for governor? And what are you doing right now?

542
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 5: And it takes her four minutes of word vomit to

543
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 5: just kind of like just give the most like unconstructed

544
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 5: anti establishment. You know, we're going outside the established dent

545
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 5: of all time. And so it's like, but yeah, they

546
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 5: can say that to Emily if they're gonna run on

547
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 5: that twenty twenty six, twenty eight, But what's it gonna be,

548
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 5: like just a five percent tax credit if you're a

549
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 5: local business who's been in college and just graduated grad

550
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 5: school for POC businesses, Like, is that the anti establishment thing?

551
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 5: Like there's gonna be nothing else outside of like these

552
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 5: kind of just airy, garbled statements.

553
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be it's gonna be more like, oh,

554
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 2: let's edit our videos like Zoran does.

555
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 4: That's exact, you know, it's completely stylistic.

556
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So do you guys see this, This like

557
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 2: abundance centrist guy who's running with Reid Hoffman money in

558
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 2: New York City against Jerry Nadler. And he's doing like

559
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: the Zoron like cuts and like even sort of stylistically,

560
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: like his font looks a little Zorani and then his

561
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 2: politics are just like the literal polar opposite and he's

562
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 2: challenging Jerry Nadler from the right, and his whole pitch

563
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 2: is just like I'm young and I've got cool videos.

564
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 2: You like me, right, I'm like the next Zoran. It's

565
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: it's so cynical and it's and everyone sees immediately through it.

566
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 2: It's the same thing with the peak clip that we

567
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 2: Emily you and I popped where he's like, I think

568
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: the key to Zoran wasn't really about his ideology.

569
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Speaker 6: It was you know, it's right.

570
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: I mean, that's and that's part of why Sluckin came

571
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 2: on breaking points, like to bring it back to that

572
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 2: it's because that's the sort of lessons they took, is

573
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 2: just like we need to go on podcasts, we need

574
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: to edit videos differently, like we need to smile more,

575
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: like just the most surface level stuff. And it's like, no,

576
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 2: people like this guy because they see that he actually

577
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: stands for something, and in particular, one thing he stands

578
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: for is like adamantly opposing a genocide even as everyone

579
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: is like smearing him as being an anti Zemite for

580
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: doing that. So yeah, they, I mean, they just they

581
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: want to take all of the the visual grammar of

582
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: an anti establishment and maybe some of the like surface

583
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: level rhetoric and then offer to your point Griffin, like

584
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: tax credits for people who make less than twenty five

585
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: thousand dollars in certain disadvantaged neighborhoods.

586
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,959
Speaker 5: Got free books, Zorn's, Got free buses, Kamala's Got fire

587
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 5: buses with a monthly subscription service. Yeah, like this kind

588
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 5: of leads to what she's selling here, which is her

589
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 5: new book, one hundred and seven Days.

590
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 3: Who wants to read this?

591
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 5: And oh is this for and for people just listening

592
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 5: on a podcast? So the cover it says one hundred

593
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 5: and seven Days. It looks a lot kind of like

594
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,479
Speaker 5: an airport book. I mean, I don't do this kind

595
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 5: of just like struck me before we played the video,

596
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 5: but like after two years of Israel Palestine, looking at

597
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 5: the numbers ten to seven on a book like just

598
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 5: kind of.

599
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 6: Like threw me off.

600
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 3: I didn't even pick up on that.

601
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 6: I don't know. That's that's just what I saw right

602
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 6: off the gate. Here. But let's hear what she has

603
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Speaker 6: to say about the book here go.

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Speaker 11: I launched my campaign for president of the United States

605
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 11: one hundred and seven, traveling the country fighting for our future.

606
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 11: The shortest presidential campaign in modern history. It was intense,

607
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 11: high stakes, and deeply personal for me and for so

608
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 11: many of you. Since leaving office, I've spent a lot

609
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 11: of time reflecting on those days, talking with my team,

610
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 11: my family, my friends, and pulling my thoughts together, in essence,

611
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 11: writing a journal that is this book one hundred and

612
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 11: seven Days with candor and reflection, I've written a behind

613
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Speaker 11: the scenes account of that journey. I believe there's value

614
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Speaker 11: in sharing what I saw, what I learned, and what

615
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 11: I know it will take to move forward.

616
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 6: All right, So that's basically it.

617
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 5: And this like this comes in the context of that

618
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 5: Jake Tapper book about Biden's decline that was like a

619
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Speaker 5: huge bestseller.

620
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Speaker 6: Do we think that there's going to even be a

621
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Speaker 6: pay on that in this book?

622
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 5: Because that would be the only thing to get kickstar

623
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 5: Kamala for twenty twenty eight is to completely throw Biden

624
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 5: under the bus. And honestly, that was the only moment

625
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 5: where she popped in the primaries, when she threw Biden

626
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 5: under the bus on busing, So true, is any of

627
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 5: that going to be in this book? Is there even

628
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 5: going to be a page? What's your prediction?

629
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Speaker 3: No?

630
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: No, I mean even okay, she may make some vague

631
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: allusion to it, But that's the reason I.

632
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 3: Say, who is this book for?

633
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: Because it's not like you could think that this woman

634
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: is going to like actually tell you the truth. She's

635
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: going to give you her like propagandized version of what happened.

636
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: And so if you're a Republican, you're certainly not interested

637
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: in that. If you're a Democrat, I don't think any

638
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: Democrats really want to relive that election and what happens,

639
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: and you know, the ultimate loss plus is just not

640
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: going to be honest. So no, I mean it's just

641
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: an excuse for her to travel the country and do

642
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: her book tour and you know, imagine that she could

643
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: be president of the United States.

644
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 4: Ye has some soft image we had before anything happens

645
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 4: in the cycle. I mean, that's what publicists tell you

646
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 4: to do. And so who's this book for. Probably the

647
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 4: publisher who will make money when she goes and gives

648
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 4: paid speeches where they buy the book, and it's an

649
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 4: excuse then also go on a speaking tour, an immediate tour,

650
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 4: and I'm sure she got a decent advance for it.

651
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 4: So that's I'm sure that's what it's about.

652
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 4: I would be surprised if there wasn't, to Crystal's point,

654
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Speaker 4: some vague illusion to Biden's issues in the book, just

655
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Speaker 4: because even again from the cynical perspective, it's so obvious

656
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Speaker 4: that people are mad about it and curious about it

657
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Speaker 4: and all of that. So, but I don't think it

658
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Speaker 4: goes beyond something that's like typical Kamala Harris canned predictable

659
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Speaker 4: and you learn basically nothing. It's the opposite of the

660
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Speaker 4: candor that she's promising in that clip. I've never seen

661
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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris be candid once in my life.

662
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Speaker 6: About food.

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Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say. She loves cooking.

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Speaker 2: That's what I see her, like authentically in her joy

665
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Speaker 2: like doing the thing, and she's in her element.

666
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Speaker 3: I'm like, just go like started cooking YouTube.

667
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Speaker 4: Like female vice president to go back to the kitchen.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 2: It's part of vibe shift, part of my new you know,

670
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Speaker 2: part of being anti woke. I have to make up

671
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Speaker 2: for my take on Sidney Sweeney earlier this week.

672
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Speaker 3: So that's where what I'm here for.

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Speaker 6: It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, I think we have I think we

675
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Speaker 2: have our doctor standing by, So why don't we go ahead? Yeah,

676
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Speaker 2: why don't we go ahead and bring her in?

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Speaker 5: Griffin Absolutely, we are joined right now with doctor Amberine Salimi.

678
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Speaker 5: She's a Brooklyn based eurocologist. So sorry to bumble that

679
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Speaker 5: one an executive director for International Medical Response. We usually

680
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Speaker 5: returned home from volunteering at Nasier Hospital in Gaza, where

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Speaker 5: she was stationed for approximately three and a half weeks.

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Speaker 6: Doctor. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 8: Thank you.

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Speaker 7: It's great to be here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, so thank you not only for being

686
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Speaker 2: with us, thank you for the work that you were

687
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Speaker 2: doing in Gaza. We actually just talked to a whistleblower

688
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Speaker 2: as a former Green Beret who was working at one

689
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Speaker 2: of these quote unquote a eight distribution sites, and he

690
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Speaker 2: was actually telling us how a lot of the you know,

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Speaker 2: the people who were being massacred then they would be

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Speaker 2: brought to NASA Hospital where you were working. So I

693
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Speaker 2: was wondering if you could talk a little bit about

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Speaker 2: what you saw, what type of injuries were coming in.

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Speaker 8: Sure, we were I think one of the closest hospitals

696
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Speaker 8: in southern Gaza to the major GHF site that was

697
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Speaker 8: in the south, So it was almost like clockwork the

698
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Speaker 8: mass casualty events that would come in through the er

699
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Speaker 8: at any point during every single day. Once the GHF

700
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Speaker 8: site would open up a few hours later, there would

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Speaker 8: just be hundreds of people brought in with gunshot wounds

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Speaker 8: and it would range anywhere from kids to you know,

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Speaker 8: adults and older people. It would be mostly men and

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Speaker 8: boys because these were the you know, people who could

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Speaker 8: go and possibly get food, walk back the many many

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Speaker 8: kilometers with you know, a twenty five pound bag of flour.

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Speaker 8: But you could tell immediately that people were coming from

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Speaker 8: the GHF site because the er would just be full

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Speaker 8: beyond capacity. And when I say er capacity, it's not

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Speaker 8: like beds. Its floor space, any space available, because it

711
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Speaker 8: was you know, well over the number of beds, just

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Speaker 8: any floor space available.

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Speaker 7: Families would bring their less ones.

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Speaker 8: Or rescue workers or whoever happened to be there, and

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Speaker 8: it would be on donkey parts, it would be an ambulances,

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Speaker 8: it would be on blankets held between two other people,

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Speaker 8: just to get somebody into the er.

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Speaker 7: So it was pretty talk to us.

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Speaker 4: Can you also talk to us about treating malnutrition or

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Speaker 4: what you saw people coming in with famine conditions, starvation?

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Speaker 4: How much of that did you see as well?

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Speaker 8: So I just wanted to, first of all, just point

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Speaker 8: out that I went with an organization called Batamol, which

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Speaker 8: is a US based organization out of Texas. Very few

725
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Speaker 8: organizations are given permission by the Israelis to actually enter Gaza,

726
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Speaker 8: and I think a remarkable number of people are rejected

727
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Speaker 8: with no reason given. So that was just one thing

728
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Speaker 8: I wanted to clear up. The other one was that

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Speaker 8: I spent most of my mornings and days in the

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Speaker 8: maternity hospital, so I had and not many volunteers are

731
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Speaker 8: led in to go work as Obgan's and eurogenecologists because

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Speaker 8: obviously trauma orthopedics burns are more needed. But I felt

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Speaker 8: really privileged to be able to work in the maternity

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Speaker 8: hospital with amazing colleagues and also helped take care of

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Speaker 8: pregnant women, but also women who came in.

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Speaker 7: With gynecologic conditions.

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Speaker 8: And everybody who came in showed some form of malnutrition.

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Speaker 8: And I mean from the patients that came in that

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Speaker 8: were pregnant, from our gynecologic patients that came in with

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Speaker 8: chronic conditions that hadn't been treated for years, to the

741
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Speaker 8: babies that were born to women who were malnourished came

742
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Speaker 8: out obviously much smaller than expected. And also the healthcare

743
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Speaker 8: workers like my colleagues, my obgyan colleagues, the nurses and

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Speaker 8: all the staff anesthesia would show pictures from before times

745
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Speaker 8: before the siege of what they looked like, and you

746
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 8: could tell immediately that there was a massive amount of waste,

747
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 8: weight loss, and also just that you could see bones

748
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Speaker 8: that in normal healthy individuals we don't see. So the

749
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Speaker 8: malnutrition and the effect of the acute blockade which started

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Speaker 8: in March, where Israel did not let any food in

751
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Speaker 8: or supplies to a more chronic condition over even before

752
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Speaker 8: October twenty twenty three, there was always limited amount of

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Speaker 8: aid that would come in for about twenty years. So

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Speaker 8: you're seeing sort of this siege which is the last

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Speaker 8: few months now, on top of chronic malnourishment.

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Speaker 7: And this is what we saw.

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Speaker 8: And I think the pictures that people are seeing now

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Speaker 8: which we saw in person, again, I can just speak

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Speaker 8: to my experience. Was you know, it was just it

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Speaker 8: was very remarkable. It was very remarkable.

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Speaker 3: How long were you in Gaza, doctor?

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Speaker 8: I was there just short of four months. I was

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Speaker 8: supposed to leave, I'm sorry, for four weeks. I was

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Speaker 8: supposed to leave it the three week mark, and we

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Speaker 8: because of safety concerns, actually our exit was was canceled,

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Speaker 8: which was a little concerned.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, I'm sure it was. I know you're

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Speaker 2: not here to complain about your own discomfort, but I

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Speaker 2: am curious, you know, what about were you able to

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Speaker 2: to eat, have sufficient meals nutrition, because we also are

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Speaker 2: seeing reports of medical workers who are fainting and collapsing

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Speaker 2: and dizzy making rounds and trying to treat patients.

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Speaker 4: And I was just that your own safety. Did you

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Speaker 4: feel as though you know, somebody who's treating people you

775
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Speaker 4: were safe?

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Speaker 8: Well, okay, let me answer the first questions. As volunteer

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Speaker 8: doctors who were there for a very limited time, we

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Speaker 8: were allowed and actually told to bring in and food

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Speaker 8: if we wanted to for ourselves, but nothing more because

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Speaker 8: at the border everything was scrutinized and looked at, and

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Speaker 8: if it looked like you were bringing in I'm sure

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Speaker 8: you've heard stories of baby formula that was taken away,

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Speaker 8: extra baby formula that was not allowed. So people who

784
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Speaker 8: like in my situation, we were taken care of because

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Speaker 8: we brought in our own, our own food for a

786
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Speaker 8: time the time needed. But what we did see was

787
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Speaker 8: all our colleagues and the staff in the hospital, including patients,

788
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Speaker 8: got maybe one meal a day. And right before I left,

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Speaker 8: about a week before I left, World Central Kitchen, which

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Speaker 8: was supplying a lot of the hospitals, ran out of food,

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Speaker 8: so that one meal would also be like just a

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Speaker 8: small bowl of rice, you know, with maybe some lentils

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Speaker 8: in it or some combination of that, and then that

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Speaker 8: would be it. And then physicians and nurses again there

795
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Speaker 8: was there's no really great supply of clean water, so

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Speaker 8: people are dehydrated, and absolutely we would need to put

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Speaker 8: in ivs to hydrate people so that they could continue

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Speaker 8: doing the work of taking care of others.

799
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Speaker 7: But everybody did speak about.

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Speaker 8: How hungry they were and how hard it was to

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Speaker 8: find food.

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Speaker 7: That was a daily conversation that was happening.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to ask you about what you said about,

804
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Speaker 5: you know, one hundred people a day coming in Shot,

805
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Speaker 5: coming in from these GHF AID sites. Now like one

806
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 5: hundred people coming in shot to a hospital in America

807
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 5: would overwhelm it with their modern resources, with all the

808
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 5: doctors being fully fed. What does that look like for

809
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Speaker 5: a hospital? Like, what is one hundred people coming in shot?

810
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 5: How many are you even able to treat or save

811
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Speaker 5: in those moments? And then kind of a part two

812
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Speaker 5: of my question is you know, we had a recent

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Speaker 5: whistleblower who worked at the GHF AID sites on what

814
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Speaker 5: is your impression of the g h F and their

815
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Speaker 5: aid delivery?

816
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Speaker 8: So one the impression I can make from what I

817
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 8: saw and talking to my surgical colleagues who I would

818
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Speaker 8: join after maternity in the afternoon, I would go to

819
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Speaker 8: the general o RS and help where I could. And again,

820
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Speaker 8: we all lived collectively, so conversations were constantly going on

821
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Speaker 8: about what came in through the er, what the pattern

822
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Speaker 8: was that we saw from the g h F, And

823
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Speaker 8: there was a clear pattern of you know, shooting.

824
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Speaker 7: That looked like it was target practice.

825
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Speaker 8: I mean this week. They have documented in the e

826
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Speaker 8: RS and the o RS when they wrote their notes

827
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Speaker 8: that one day it would be you know, Torso's, one

828
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Speaker 8: other day it would be Legs. Another time there was

829
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Speaker 8: a string of you know, genital shots that would would

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Speaker 8: come in through the er. And I think that to

831
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Speaker 8: try to see two million people that are starving with

832
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Speaker 8: a few centralized sites and with a system that I

833
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 8: can only describe as target practice or some sort of

834
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Speaker 8: you know, squid games hunger games type of situation is

835
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Speaker 8: not a good system. It's a dehumanizing system. It's a

836
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Speaker 8: system meant to humiliate people who are starving. That's what

837
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Speaker 8: I can tell you. We were obviously not allowed near

838
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Speaker 8: close to the sites. We couldn't even really leave the

839
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Speaker 8: hospital compound because the.

840
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Speaker 7: Area outside was a red zone.

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Speaker 8: Speaking about safety, and again we are limited in We

842
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Speaker 8: knew that we would be there for an x amount

843
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 8: of time and hopefully be able to leave. But I

844
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Speaker 8: really think that we need to consider the people who

845
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Speaker 8: are living this every single day for now twenty twenty

846
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Speaker 8: one months.

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Speaker 7: This is the daily life of somebody.

848
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Speaker 3: It's unimaginable, unable to leave.

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Speaker 8: Because it's also true that there is no safe place

850
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Speaker 8: in Gaza. Regularly, in addition to GHF's injuries that would

851
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 8: come in, we would always have a steady stream of people, men, women, children,

852
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Speaker 8: babies who were suffering burns, injuries and shrapnel from the

853
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 8: bombs that were constantly going off, and bullets from quad

854
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Speaker 8: copters that were constantly targeting civilians. So this is the reality.

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Speaker 8: It wasn't just GHF's site injuries coming in. It was

856
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Speaker 8: a constant flow of other types of injuries from bombs.

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Speaker 3: What does Gaza look like at this point?

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Speaker 8: I had a limited view because of where I was,

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Speaker 8: but it looks utterly decimated. And we can all see

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Speaker 8: pictures of what Basa used to look like. It's available

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Speaker 8: on the internet, and you cannot believe that the Gaza

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Speaker 8: I saw and my colleague saw was the Gaza of

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Speaker 8: the videos from before. It looks utterly decimated. It looks

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Speaker 8: like a wasteland. Almost all the buildings have been bombed, collapsed,

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Speaker 8: and then in the middle of that in these areas

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Speaker 8: where civilians are supposed to live, are just tents after

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Speaker 8: tents after tents, like kilometers and kilometers and kilometers of

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Speaker 8: tense cities everywhere, and these go basically up until the

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Speaker 8: shore of the ocean, of the sea, up until the sea.

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Speaker 8: And this is where people have been dislocated to after

871
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Speaker 8: being told, you know, multiple times, three, four or five

872
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 8: times throughout this genocide that they have to move, pack

873
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 8: up their kids, pack up everything, take what you can,

874
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 8: and quickly, very quickly leave and go to another tent site.

875
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 7: And so that's that's what I could tell you. It

876
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 7: looks like now.

877
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 8: There was a balcony off of our accommodations in the

878
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 8: hospital because we all we all lived in the hospital

879
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 8: for our entire stay. It was a balcony and it

880
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 8: looked south towards Rafa. And I really think about the

881
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 8: time when all eyes were on Rafa at the end

882
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 8: of last year, and I will tell you Rafa is

883
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 8: flattened because you could see Rafa.

884
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 7: And because it's.

885
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 8: Flattened, you could see the Rafa crossing from the balcony,

886
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 8: and the Rafa crossing right beyond that is where all

887
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 8: the ad trucks were being blocked from coming in, so.

888
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 7: This is what you could see.

889
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 8: You could also see in my four weeks there the

890
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 8: site even to the Mediterranean or was also visible as

891
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 8: more and more buildings were just collapsed while I was there,

892
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 8: because again the hosp Naser Hospital was in a red

893
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 8: zone and there was a time where we were really

894
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 8: worried about security once we had just gotten there a

895
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 8: few days afterwards where the hospital was under siege. There

896
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 8: were tanks in the street right outside. There was a

897
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 8: real fear in the hospital because the year prior, Nasser

898
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 8: actually was invaded by the Israeli military and people were,

899
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 8: you know, fled, Some people healthcare workers and doctors were

900
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 8: kidnapped and some of whom still.

901
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 7: Are being held.

902
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 8: And we don't know exactly where. There's a graveyard right

903
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 8: on the grounds of nass they call it the graveyard

904
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 8: where bulldozers had come through and there was a tent

905
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 8: city there that was supposed to be a safe zone

906
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 8: and it was actually just bulldozed over by the Israeli military.

907
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 8: And you people found IV poles, people still attached to

908
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 8: ivy poles, because you have to remember, in especially in

909
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 8: a hospital setting, you have people who have severe burns

910
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 8: and bandaged amputations. They're in wheelchairs, they're weak, they're malnourished,

911
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 8: their star they cannot just evacuate, right, So that just

912
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 8: became a very huge graveyard, which is now I.

913
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 5: Wanted to ask specifically about the starvation. You know, there's

914
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 5: been a lot of debates in American media about the starvation.

915
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 5: What we know is that a lot of people are

916
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 5: entering stage five of malnutrition, and I was wondering if

917
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 5: you could explain to our audience not only what your

918
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 5: view is on the from what you've seen in your

919
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 5: experience the extent of the.

920
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 6: Starvation in Gaza, but also what.

921
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 5: It takes medically to save people that are at that

922
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 5: level of malnutrition, Like what would act take to medically

923
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 5: save people at that point.

924
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 8: So what I saw personally and what my colleagues were

925
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 8: reporting is that there is you know, a huge amount

926
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 8: of malnourishment and starvation. And this is what we saw

927
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 8: on our patients, all of our pregnant patients, the babies

928
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 8: being born. Like I said, and stage five, there is

929
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 8: a point that you reach in starvation where you have

930
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 8: to be very careful then about reintroducing food. So it's

931
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 8: not just that you can start feeding people immediately at

932
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 8: this point in starvation, because there's such an imbalance in

933
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 8: electrolytes and nourishment that it has to be done in

934
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 8: a very careful way.

935
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 7: So it's not.

936
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 8: Just that you're letting in you know, more beans and

937
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 8: lentils and flower You need to be letting in the

938
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 8: proper nutrition. You need to be letting in you know,

939
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 8: magnesium and phosphate and all these you know, electrolytes that

940
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 8: have to be in the appropriate balance. Otherwise the body

941
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 8: system will actually, you know, you'll end up in a coma.

942
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,439
Speaker 8: And this feeding, if it's not done properly, people will

943
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 8: die from actually the refeeding.

944
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 7: So that's a huge concern. It's not just you know,

945
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 7: letting in food aid.

946
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 8: It's it's letting in nutritional balance and the right the

947
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 8: right amount of balance so people don't die from being fed.

948
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: Doctor, the the last question I had for you is,

949
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: let's say that they open the floodgates for food and

950
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: nutrition and medicine and everything that the population needs.

951
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 3: At this point, you know, what will be the lifelong.

952
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: What will be the lifelong consequences of you know, those

953
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: babies who were born suffering from malnutrition, these young children

954
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 2: whose little bodies and brains are trying to grow and

955
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 2: don't have nearly the caloric resources and nutrition to be

956
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 2: able to do. So, you know, even if you completely

957
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 2: open and the floodgates, now, what does the fallout look like?

958
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: Right?

959
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 8: So I think that's such an important question, and thank

960
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 8: you for bringing that up. I believe that there are

961
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 8: many babies that were conceived and born at the beginning

962
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 8: of you know, from October twenty twenty three, and already

963
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 8: again with those that are now one years old or

964
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 8: even more, they're going to have long term effects for malnutrition.

965
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 8: Just imagine the you know, the stunting, the mental, mental growth,

966
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 8: psychological trauma is going to be huge, and I'm not

967
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 8: sure people are going to be ready to, but we

968
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 8: have to be ready to able to be able to

969
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 8: confront that.

970
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 7: And deal with that.

971
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 8: Also the mental trauma that everybody, all populations are going

972
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 8: to be suffering with, but also the starvation. I mean

973
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 8: we talk about when we take our kids to the pediatricians,

974
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 8: they're looking for you know, these very specific you know,

975
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 8: growth milestones, right, and how worried they are about meeting

976
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 8: these milestones and nutritionally everybody's got their growth weight. You know,

977
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 8: if you have kids, you know you're always looking at

978
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 8: the growth chart and making sure our kids are on

979
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,959
Speaker 8: that growth chart. But what it means when you don't

980
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 8: hit those milestones are going to be long term effects

981
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 8: to brain development, to physical development, and also the psychological

982
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 8: trauma and in particular kids, but adults too. You know,

983
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 8: we can't forget about that. And I think it's it's

984
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 8: going to be a very profound, profound impact that this siege,

985
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 8: starvation and just the trauma of the bombings.

986
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 7: And the genocide is going to have on the population.

987
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, doctor, thank you so much again for spending

988
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 2: some time with us and sharing you know, your your

989
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 2: testimony about what you witnessed. I think it is comes

990
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 2: at just such an absolutely critical moment, and we're incredibly

991
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 2: great to you for that.

992
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,959
Speaker 7: Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it.

993
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 3: It's our pleasure.

994
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 7: Doctor.

995
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 5: All right, Well that was doctor Sleemy. We're all very

996
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 5: grateful for her coming on the show and for doctors

997
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 5: like her who are risking their safety to go work

998
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 5: over in what seems like hell on earth.

999
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 2: To be honest, yeah, I have to say people like

1000
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 2: her give me hope for humanity. I mean, the barbarism

1001
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 2: that we see unchecked on a daily basis makes me

1002
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 2: feel pretty dark about as like a species sometimes. And

1003
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:38,959
Speaker 2: but then on the flip side of it, you see

1004
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 2: absolute angels like that woman who you know, gave up

1005
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: a month of her life to go and be in

1006
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 2: a war zone in the worst conditions you can imagine,

1007
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 2: at great physical and personal risk, and you know, it's

1008
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 2: it's an extraordinary things.

1009
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 5: Just feel that way about Aguilar, who we had on

1010
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 5: the show, that absolutely that gave me hope because it's like,

1011
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 5: you know, you think about you know, these military guys,

1012
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 5: these army guys, but like you know, he never shot

1013
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 5: his gun the entire time he was there.

1014
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 6: He led with you.

1015
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 5: Know, bravery, encourage, and uh, he's put a target on

1016
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 5: his back for what he has said on our show

1017
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 5: and on other shows, and he's just doing it because

1018
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 5: it's the right thing to do. So yeah, I've definitely

1019
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 5: seen examples of they give me hope right now.

1020
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we should mention Wick Cough is actually in Gaza,

1021
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 2: or was in Gaza for this like little propaganda stunt

1022
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 2: where they oh, look everything's going great.

1023
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 3: We're not shooting at people.

1024
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: Don't worry that we're not massacring Palestinians on a literal

1025
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 2: daily basis for no reason at all and luring them

1026
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 2: into what, you know, Tony Aguilar called intentional death traps.

1027
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 3: So, you know, the just.

1028
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 2: I don't even know what you what you say about

1029
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: it at this point. So it's so dark and feels

1030
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 2: so you know, like there's no end in sight.

1031
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 3: Really.

1032
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 4: I think it's also worth noting that Trump, this was

1033
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 4: a story that broke yesterday. Trump in the Times of

1034
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 4: Israel was quoted as having told a donor it's a

1035
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 4: total anonymously sort of story, but telling a donor that

1036
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 4: the magabase was turning against Israel, which is quite interesting.

1037
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 4: And then I'll share this, he was. Trump was taking

1038
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:37,919
Speaker 4: questions from reporters yesterday, and he ended up saying, right here, sorry,

1039
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 4: I'm sharing my screen. He ended up saying, well, okay,

1040
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 4: He ended up saying, this is really meta. I'm stopping.

1041
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna read the quote he ended up saying.

1042
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 4: It was asked if he agrees with Marjorie Taylor Green

1043
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 4: that there's a genocide in Gaza, Trump said, quote, Oh,

1044
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 4: it's terrible. What's occurring there. Yeah, it's a terrible thing.

1045
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 4: People are very hungry. And then he said part of

1046
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 4: the problem is Hamas taking the money and food. So

1047
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 4: that's where Trump is. But it reminds me.

1048
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 2: Of even the Israelis say that's not true. I mean,

1049
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 2: that was the New York Times report they had. Israeli

1050
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 2: military officials would say, that's just not true. I mean

1051
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 2: we all know, like we all know, that's a total,

1052
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 2: incomplete lie. We just heard the doctors say, look, all

1053
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 2: the AID is lined up there at the border. They

1054
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 2: just won't let it through, you know. And that's the

1055
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 2: other thing that pisses me off about the pretext of

1056
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 2: the wit Cough visit is he supposed to be there

1057
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 2: to like study a plan for what we could do.

1058
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 2: It's like, you don't need to study a plan. The

1059
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 2: un knows how to operate. Just let them operate and

1060
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: you know, call off the Israelis so that they're not

1061
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 2: shooting at AID workers and are allowing them in for

1062
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 2: multiple crossings by the way, too, because that's an issue.

1063
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 2: If you just let in a few trucks through one crossing,

1064
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 2: oh yeah, guess what a starving population is going to

1065
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 2: mob those trucks immediately and grab whatever they can. Survival

1066
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 2: of the fittest stare for.

1067
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 6: AID sites when there needs to be like forty at least.

1068
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 3: No four hundred.

1069
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 2: That's what the that's what the UN was operating, was

1070
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 2: four hundred AID sites. They had kitchens and bakeries throughout

1071
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 2: the entire Gaza strip, And so you know the idea

1072
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 2: that you can. I mean, the intention of GHF was

1073
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 2: never to feed the population. That was never the intention.

1074
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 2: The intention of GHF is to weaponize military aid, to

1075
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 2: use it to create further displacement and misery, all wrapped

1076
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 2: in this sort of like pr of Oh, look at

1077
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 2: us giving a bag of lentils to this starving child.

1078
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1079
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 4: I was just to say the Trump comments remind me

1080
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 4: sort of similar to what we're seeing from Slatkin and

1081
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 4: the Mallary McMorrow position that you mentioned, Crystal, which is

1082
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 4: this recognition that even among Republicans there is horror at

1083
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 4: what's happened over the course of particularly the last month,

1084
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 4: and that's frustrating to people watching it for longer. But

1085
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 4: I think what we're seeing is that trickle into the

1086
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 4: political calculations in a way that it hasn't before. So

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Speaker 4: it's becoming as it really is becoming Trump as now

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Speaker 4: Christians who were very supportive of him. We covered Michael

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Speaker 4: Knowles a couple of weeks ago saying you're losing me,

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Speaker 4: and that was after the Catholic Church was hit. I

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Speaker 4: listened to Eric Prince on Bannon Show recently saying he

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Speaker 4: thinks that it was intentionally targeted. The cross on top

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Speaker 4: of the church, he thought was intentionally targeted. And when

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Speaker 4: you're losing, Eric Prince, you have brought.

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Speaker 3: Its pretty bad. Yeah, that's pretty bad.

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Speaker 7: All right.

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Speaker 2: Should we go ahead and transition to the premium show, guys,

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Speaker 2: and we can talk about the jobs numbers, the tariffs,

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Speaker 2: and the playlifts list importantly, Yes.

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Speaker 6: Of course, before we do.

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Speaker 4: Just to note, Michael Tracy over at Mtracy dot Neett

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Speaker 4: wrote a piece rebutting what he took issue with from

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Speaker 4: Nick Bryant, who Crystal and I interviewed on Wednesday, a

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Speaker 4: guy who originally broke the Epstein Black Book story. And

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Speaker 4: Tracy has all kinds of this is over at his subject.

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Speaker 4: Tracy has all kinds of criticisms of what Bryant said,

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Speaker 4: but he particularly criticized I actually think rightfully a number

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Speaker 4: that Bryant listed for human trafficking. And that's, by the way,

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Speaker 4: I will just say, as a evangelical, there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of bad human trafficking stats that bounce around the religious

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Speaker 4: world because you know, it's it's there are a lot

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Speaker 4: of NGOs that work in that space, and there are

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Speaker 4: a lot of people who are genuinely concerned. But I

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Speaker 4: you know, these stats are so easy for great you're.

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Speaker 6: Saying that there's an undercount or an overcount.

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Speaker 4: There are a lot of stats that overcount also. Yes,

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Speaker 4: So here's I'm just going to read a bit from Tracy.

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Speaker 4: He says, well, here's he's quoting a study that Bryant

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Speaker 4: referred to, or he thinks refers to. He So he says,

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Speaker 4: this is the this is what the study says. Is

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Speaker 4: estimated that between fifteen thousand and fift as women and

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Speaker 4: children are forced into sexual slavery in the US every year,

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Speaker 4: and the total number varies wildly as is very difficult

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Speaker 4: to research. One study from the DHS estimate the number

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Speaker 4: between two hundred and forty and three hundred and twenty

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Speaker 4: five thousand. Now I looked into that. Elizabeth Nolan Brown

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Speaker 4: last decade has done a lot of work going through

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Speaker 4: those numbers, and so it's just worth noting you can

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Speaker 4: take a look at her work. I went to the

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Speaker 4: Department of Transportation. Their estimate, they say in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 4: the National Human Trafficking Hotline received a total of thirty

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Speaker 4: thousand substance of signals nationwide and received reports of ninety

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Speaker 4: six hundred basically potential human trafficking cases, referencing seventeen thousand

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Speaker 4: potential victims. So these numbers are sadly a political football.

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Speaker 4: But Tracy wrote like a thousand word probably rebuttal to

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Speaker 4: Nick Bryant that people can check out if they want.

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Speaker 2: All right, thanks for flagging that, m and for those

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Speaker 2: of you who want to hear about the jobs report,

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Speaker 2: the tariffs, and also Jadie Vance's eyebrow raising Spotify playlist,

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Speaker 2: along with who else do we have Mike Johnson?

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Speaker 3: There's one other?

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Speaker 4: Oh, we have Pam Bondi, And I think Bondi's might

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Speaker 4: be the worst.

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Speaker 2: I gotta take another look. There were some Yeah, there

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Speaker 2: were some questionable choices all the way around. But in

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Speaker 2: any case, if you want to see all of that,

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Speaker 2: go to breakingpoints dot com. Thank you guys so much

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Speaker 2: for supporting us. You know, obviously it's been a very

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Speaker 2: very big week, very consequential week, and you know we're

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Speaker 2: grateful for the opportunity to be able to do those things.

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Speaker 2: So head over to breakingpoints dot com if you can

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