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Speaker 1: AM on iHeartRadio, and welcome back to Coast to Coast

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Speaker 1: doctor Claude Swanson. We're talking about the afterlife, his latest work,

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Speaker 1: Science of the Soul, the God Factor as well. With physics, Claude,

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Speaker 1: there's order, there's structure. It seems to just have rules

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Speaker 1: and regulations. Do you find that to be the case

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Speaker 1: in the paranormal as well? I do, And that's what

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Speaker 1: I'm looking for really, because there are new for is

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Speaker 1: like consciousness. So I'd like to find those rules that

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Speaker 1: you can expand to include those things. And one of

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Speaker 1: the things about this whole God question that I came

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Speaker 1: upon by surprise, really is trying to understand the whole

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Speaker 1: picture is if you look at the smallest scale of particles,

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Speaker 1: they're interacting very very rapidly, emitting and absorbing energy all

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Speaker 1: the time. And this is the synchronized universe model that

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Speaker 1: assumes that they would really be interacting over very large distances.

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Speaker 1: So what that leads you to is that every particle

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Speaker 1: in the universe is interacting with all the other particles

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Speaker 1: at at very high speed over huge distances throughout space

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Speaker 1: and time. So they're all connected. And if you look

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Speaker 1: at all those interactions, there's a web that forms from

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Speaker 1: all those interactions. And because there's torts present as well

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Speaker 1: as electromagnetism, this web interacts with itself, which means that

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Speaker 1: this entire web will act like a neural network, like

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Speaker 1: in a neural network computer. So this web becomes conscious,

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Speaker 1: it becomes intelligent. And that was one of the surprising

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Speaker 1: conclusions that came to in my work. So that if

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Speaker 1: you think about what a yogi does when he wants

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Speaker 1: to merge with God, which is how they talk about it,

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Speaker 1: a yoga means merging, joining, and so you're really emerging

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Speaker 1: your consciousness with this web, and when you do, you're

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Speaker 1: in contact with every other event and every other intelligence

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Speaker 1: in the universe. And that's what the white light is.

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Speaker 1: When you die or having your death experiences, or even

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Speaker 1: in deep meditation, when you encounter that white light, you're

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Speaker 1: meeting that web of torsion. So I think this all

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Speaker 1: fits together in a really comprehensive picture of what God

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Speaker 1: would be. From a physics point of view, Can science

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Speaker 1: claude even explain what life is all about? I don't

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Speaker 1: think it can. Can it not yet? I mean, some

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Speaker 1: of these things are so huge and so complex we

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Speaker 1: have to have a high enough perspective to look at it.

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Speaker 1: I've been trying to understand that it Certainly when you

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Speaker 1: talk to people who are regressed into afterlives or between lives,

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Speaker 1: or when they come to what typically happens is they

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Speaker 1: discover that there's other form of existence, the outer body form,

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Speaker 1: the heaven, if you want to call it, That is

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Speaker 1: a much more blissful place. It's really our natural home.

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Speaker 1: That's where the orb that we call the soul lives,

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Speaker 1: and that's where it comes from. So we come here

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Speaker 1: this physical plane for short periods of time to have

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Speaker 1: experiences and to learn certain lessons. But it's all about

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Speaker 1: learning and understanding our connection to one another and learning

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Speaker 1: to love and use our power of intelligence. Those are

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Speaker 1: the lessons that they say are part of what it's

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Speaker 1: all about. But I can't I don't know if science

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Speaker 1: is ready yet to understand all that. You have also

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Speaker 1: looked at what psychokinesis, levitation, teleportation, Is that all part

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Speaker 1: of the same it is, That's part of what this

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Speaker 1: tourition energy can explain. It's one of the ways that

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Speaker 1: our present physics would not understand. But if you include touration,

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Speaker 1: you can include those things. Yes, Now, well let's talk

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Speaker 1: if we can about some of these other experiences tied

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Speaker 1: on is the evidence for the afterlife, the evidence that

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Speaker 1: something continues after death. And there are about a dozen

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Speaker 1: what that is like, what our life is like. In

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Speaker 1: planes which correspond to higher levels of consciousness. And they

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Speaker 1: an amazing complexity. But I think if science truly can

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Speaker 1: much as life is complicated, the afterlife is complicated. I

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Speaker 1: think they tie together, Claude, and they're both very real,

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Speaker 1: aren't they. They are. One of the other parts of

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Speaker 1: begin doing research, they often find ets. They often find aliens,

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Speaker 1: this stuff is connected. Since you've been doing this, what

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Speaker 1: have you concluded about all of this? Well, I've concluded

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Speaker 1: that we live forever. The soul is an energy form

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Speaker 1: that is immortal, and our purpose is to grow and

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Speaker 1: And I think that as we do we also learn

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Speaker 1: to connect with other intelligences more and more. The higher

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Speaker 1: in a communal group type of identity, so that we

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Speaker 1: learn to be more comfortable sharing and not having just

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Speaker 1: a it's a beautiful system, and so we don't we

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Speaker 1: don't die. We're just this is temporary and we're just

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Speaker 1: here to learn. What would you say, Claude, is the

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Speaker 1: most compelling evidence that would convince most people that what

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Speaker 1: one example that is pretty powerful if you can arrange it.

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Speaker 1: There are these people like I mentioned before, called direct

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Speaker 1: voice mediums. They generate something called ectoplasm that we can

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Speaker 1: of these mediums. One of the things in a seance

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Speaker 1: issues and as we work them out, then we get

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